From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 00:49:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h514lGa20124; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:47:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:47:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030601044710.37876.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: a new music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Matthias Grob wrote: > > > are there any objections if I speak of Live Looping > as a new kind of music? I think this is the objection. > Well, ok, its a new *way* to create music, but > ordinary people dont > make so much of a difference, But at least it's honest & accurate. > or do you expect that if an interviewer > asks me "what is new about your music" to answer "my > music is old,only the way to play it is new"? Instead of fixating on what's new about your music, you could relate what you think is good about your music (and the great new way you have of performing it!) > do you leave me some space for marketing? :-) Wear high-heels & breathe thru your mouth. It's worked for others. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 01:11:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h515AQ321974; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 01:10:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 01:10:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <140.12b2b6b0.2c0ae4b9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 01:10:17 EDT Subject: Bass Faces... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_140.12b2b6b0.2c0ae4b9_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_140.12b2b6b0.2c0ae4b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am very excited, and proud to announce that i am this months featured artist at: http://www.bassically.net/bass_faces/ Regards, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.9andZen.com www.BEEbasses.com --part1_140.12b2b6b0.2c0ae4b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i am very excited, and proud to announce that i am thi= s months featured artist at:

http://www.bassically.net/bass_faces/

Regards,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.9andZen.com
www.BEEbasses.com --part1_140.12b2b6b0.2c0ae4b9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 02:37:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h516ZnU28843; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 02:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 02:35:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <57050-2200360163712552@M2W087.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 63.186.1.130 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "altruist@earthlink.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Why I said Andrees music may deserve its own name Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 02:37:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2003 06:40:17.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA574000:01C32808] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h516ZnB28820 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias, First of all, man, my thanks for your kind words and support at this time, and for taking the time to deal with these mails in the middle of the tour. You said, >Traditional looping means that a played phrase is repeated more or >less as it has been played. Agreed. >Sliced looping (give me a better name, as you please) means that >portions of phrases or notes are repeated in a sequence different >from what they have been played. Makes sense, and I like the name too! :) >the EDP >gained a level of functionality that was not intended to it and may >turn it into the first tool of a technique other than what came from >the Time Lag Generator, rather comparable with the tape slicing of >the conrete music, if there is any precedent technique in the past >(please correct me here!) No, I agree with this very much. >So considering this, you may understand in its totally positve and >not at all exclusive way what I said: "Or maybe some new category can >arise from the use of looping tools for which we may still find >names... (I believe Andre is on such a track)" OK, I can see your point here, and I appreciate the positive sentiment. Let me try and explain my own reservations: You say above that you feel the "sliced" techniques of the EDP represent a new paradigm (for lack of a better word) that breaks from the "time lag accumulater" paradigm, and on that basis it might represent a new category other than "loop music." The reason I find this strange and confusing is that the EDP is itself a dedicated looper - everything it does involves a foundation of working with audio in a loop-based format. So, if music made entirely with a dedicated looper is placed in a new category other than one called "live looping" simply because the sound or the process of the music is different from what's traditionally expected, then it seems to me that "live looping" as such is basically a dead art form. In other words, would be trapped in an historical point of view, unable to accommodate new developments in its craft, and (most importantly for this discussion) stuck with a collection of aesthetic and stylistic associations that are there only because of our own expectations. The alternative, to me, is to NOT treat the concept of "live looping" as a category with specific technical or sonic restrictions. That means that looping can encompass all kinds of styles and approaches, and shows an ability to grow and expand and be redefined as new concepts are introduced. That for me is by far the more attractive option. But, I'm not necessarily after the same thing as you (though I'm not ruling it out!) So, it gets back to my previous questions: what are you trying to define or promote? If "live looping" is supposed to be full-phrase repetition, post-Terry Riley sounding music, then the "sliced" school of looping doesn't fit. And it means that "live looping" as a concept is clinging to a paradigm that's close to 40 years old, unable to grow or evolve. >In other words: For Gods sake stop this stupid exclusion paranoya, I >am not at all like that and I dont see why I would have the slightest >interest in that! Sorry for the stress, Matthias - hopefully now we both understand where we're coming from on this. And hopefully you already understand how deeply I appreciate all of the time and work you've put in to create the tool that can make the music we're now losing sleep talking about. :) Best wishes, --Andre -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 03:02:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5171J630584; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 03:01:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 03:01:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <119420-22003601730451@M2W044.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 63.186.16.254 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "altruist@earthlink.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dig if U will our live looping flame war Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 03:03:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2003 07:03:13.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE56D610:01C3280B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5171IB30560 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again Matthias, >Nevertheless it would be extremely helpfull for me, if you could list >up my guidelines here, because I am not sure how people see me >and my >efforts to characterize our way to create music and helping to it... >I hope I have been rather suggesting than imposing... My personal impression, based on your posts, is that you feel "live looping" is the name you would like to use for a specific type of music. My understanding is that you feel this style of music is characterized by certain conventions of form, structure, and approach. The key comment you made, which leads me to this conclusion, is this: "Similarly, not everyone that uses a looping tool plays Live Looping music. It can aid any category of music." This strikes me as being a very limiting and exclusive attitude, because where do you draw the line between "using a looping tool" and "playing Live Looping music?" (I just re-read that and realized I'm sitting in my father's home at 1:39 in the morning on a Saturday night, typing a sentence like that. What a life...) Anyway... >no "kind" of anything can be understood by one example. But it might be MIS-understood by one example. For instance, someone who really loves ambient music hears me, billed as playing "live looping," and assumes they don't like "live looping" because it's all glitchy and aggressive and angular. Then they never get to hear your own very beautiful and ambient music. Or the other way around (and an all too common scenario): an IDM fan hears a Robert Fripp or Brian Eno album, and assumes that all looping is ambient, so when I come through town and they hear I'm a looping guitarist, they never bother to check me out because "they don't dig ambient." To me, there should be room for the ambient AND the glitchy stuff, AND the stuff in between and above and below it all. My point is that if there's an actual style called "loop music," and you have so many different sounding people calling their thing that, and there are simultaneously lots of other people who DON'T use that label, but ARE using loopers in their music... then it becomes incredibly difficult for that phrase to mean anything. And even worse, it means you and I lose a lot of sleep discussing this sort of thing on a Saturday night! >>if a mailing list of a few hundred dedicated looping >>enthusiasts can't find a way to agree on what "loop music" is, then is it >>really a good idea to try and promote that concept (whatever it is) to the >>world at large? >good point! >I hope the rest of the world will not be that sensible and >emotionally involved in the question and thus be happy to simply get >an idea about it and from there on follow what we do and select the >CDs and shows the will want to assist... :-) But here again, I have to ask the same question: WHAT, exactly, is it that you want the world to get an idea about? Matthias Grob's music? Looping as a technology? Every possible musical style that could be played using an EDP? Music that originates from Terry Riley's aesthetic, but which stops short of the sliced/glitch school of technique? To me, the problem here is that "live looping" is such an open-ended term that it can't possibly accurately define anything very specific. Not without having a very narrow aesthetic and technical focus, and thereby excluding a lot of musicians and styles in the process. So it seems to me that the "better" approach would be: 1) Figure out what it is that "live looping" means to you personally 2) Isolate that specific thing you relate to and want to present 3) Find a way of distilling THAT into something you can define or market or otherwise promote, that can't possibly be mistaken for something else, and that doesn't infringe on terminology and music that's been made by countless people for three or four decades. Anyway... time for sleep, my friend. Best, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 04:44:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h518gsQ08775; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 04:42:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 04:42:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Was : An Open Apology to Kim Now: New Age Dreck Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:46:15 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > to put all of this in perspective, at Amoeba Records in Berkeley, > > Laurie Anderson and Britany Spears are in the same catagory: Pop/Rock > I thought they were the same person in a Jekyl & Hyde sort of thing. ;-) who of them is Jekyll and who is Hyde? -mpe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 05:04:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5193uB09914; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:03:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030601013323.03ecbea8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 02:06:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: livelooping.com In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531154504.040dd008@loopers-delight.com> <20030531103328.79946.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030531154504.040dd008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:56 PM 5/31/2003, Matthias Grob wrote: >>In fact, it seems kind of insane to me to make a new site and spend years >>of work developing traffic patterns for it rather than just putting the >>same stuff on LD where the traffic is already there. > >Actually, we imagined you would put a link from LD to LL, once you see >what it is and understand its benefit. >And Kevin had promissed to make a good visible link on Gibson.com. the important point, which I guess you guys will learn sooner or later, is that a couple of links on other sites, even popular ones, doesn't really bring all that much traffic. >>I dunno, I guess you guys have a lot of time on your hands or something. > >no, thats why its going slow :-) >But the time to create it for LD or on a separate site is about the same. >So I wonder why you say that? Creating the web pages is the easy part. Getting people to come look at them is the really hard part. Getting the people to keep coming back is even harder. It takes a lot of time, effort, and money to develop traffic patterns for a new web site. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 06:45:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51AZDN15501; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:35:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:35:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018101c32829$78f99aa0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030531113403.27203.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:33:56 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 04:49:AM Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? > > > > > Just out of interest: Who on this list considers > >> themselves a "Live > >> Looper"? > > > >If looping "live" in my living room counts, then I'm > >a Live-Looper. > > yes, sure! > This seems like a weakness of the name: it may suggest that this > music has to happen on stage. > > >I'm also a guitar player. And yet, > >you still don't know what style of music I play > >(or if I have any style at all). :) > > style-less may be a style :-) Well, that might be as exact as it gets. That is, if one needs to know what "kind" of music something is before considering it as music, neh? I've been over and over the various attempts at categorization performed by the Big Five and their acolytes on this music we sort of do. This thread alas explores it all again, or further. Why is it necessary? Folks may not understand it any more if it has a sign hanging on its neck saying what it "is", and it should be evident by now...? I'm reminded of my struggles to get "accepted" as a downhill skiier while still in high school. High School Teachers in roles like that of the ski team tend to get allowed to turn their process into a clique, since it's not mainstream sports amongst other reasons; this was no different in Ridgewood High in the 70s, where the team was "run" by a "popular" Spanish teacher. Despite having a great deal of control (as well as supreme joy!) in my own technique, never having a crash, to say nothing of being clocked at over 70 MPH a number of times, I was excluded from the ski team because it was thought by this "expert" that I "had no skiing style". Go figure! After a life like that, performing music that happens to utilize a series of looping processes as a partial canvas - and therefore of course uncatagorizable by the Hoi Polloi - seems in retrospect like nothing more than a natural outgrowth for me. I don't care what listeners/critics/record companies call it so long as someone hears it, yes? So I think the term "live looping" is as applicable as "nekkid nerve-ending psychological mud-wrestling simulation via musical extents", if you ask me. Well, by proxy anyway. :) Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 09:14:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51D8VC24765; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:08:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:08:32 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: repeater os 1.1 update HELP????????????????? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3ED757D0.3060403@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you have the installation instructions? Reid Maxwell wrote: > hello, > I am trying to upgrade my repeater to OS 1.1 ... i have the upgrade > on CFC card but when i boot up the repeater with the card in it. > Nothing happens. it just act like it always does in OS 1.0 and does > not prompt me to do anything regarding the next steps. Could someone > please help me out who has succesfully upgraded their repeater in the > past or who has knowledge of how to do this upgrade. > > thanks, > Reid From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 09:16:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51D7gH24677; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:07:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:07:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <147.12bddb0b.2c0b5493@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:07:31 EDT Subject: Re: livelooping.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <2PTw7.A.dBG.dqf2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well, the main thesis of Geoff's paper is that "Live Looping" is a genre. > > It is a genre, it isn't a genre, more confusion.... > > Part of the point here is to get you guys to think about what you are doing > and get a clear foundation under it. It seems really fuzzy right now. > > kim .....but Geoff isn't connected with "livelooping.com", so hardly surprising he says something different. OK, his paper is on the site, but that's mainly so info hungry LDers can download in a nice format. Apologies for any confusion caused. OK I'll just talk about livelooping.com You may have noticed that all we have is a single page filler for the address, and absolutely no site yet! We just have a name. ...can't we even keep that ??? :-) > So far as I can remember and have experienced, "Looper" has always meant > the same thing as what you guys are now calling "Live Looper". essentially "looper".....can be based on pre-recorded material "live looper" .... based on live material. ....and I know we can all think of examples that sit somewhere between those 2 definitions. Most times when I hear the term "loop" refering to a piece of music people are refering to a chunk of pre-recorded audio which is repeated. (in conversation, and in the press). Occasionally someone seems to think it means ,"guitarist with a lot of FX". (c/o David Torn I guess) Well, i genuinely thought "live looping" would be obviously connected to "looping", but not the exactly the same. > That would be sad. But this statement again leaves me really confused about > what this livelooping.com site is all about. Isn't it supposed to be for > promoting to the public? In harmony and complimentary to Looper's Delight? > One for musicians and one for press/public? Doesn't that mean the musician > oriented posts you usually make here would not be appropriate there? So > what would you be talking about when you are there? There are no immediate plans for a mailing list on livelooping.com. (...sorry Stuart) The concept for livelooping .com is to be accessible entertaining and beautiful. To inform about the various types of artist who use real-time looping technology. To explain how the technology works within their music. To provide downloadable examples of that music, and nice pictures & graphics to go with it. Also there will be space for looping history/philosophy, such as Geoffs work. There was originally a hint that funding might be available to pay for hosting, and perhaps to pay for the work to be done, but that hope seems to be fading. While there might be some crossover with LD here, we were thinking about a very different style of site, so while some info might be duplicated, the main aim would be to make it attractive enough to encourage visitors to check out the music. (and for musician visitors to check out the gear, which would mean pointing them to LD) LD's a fantastic site, a brilliant resource . It doesn't have a structure that would lead the curious directly to where they could discover new music, (and I thought there wasn't the server space for loads of audio). Kim, if you think it would be better to put all this onto LD then maybe we should all consider it. Well, I'm off to put my next gig on the LD gig list!! (which has a separate musical category for "looping" :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 10:02:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51DpUB28588; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:51:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <018101c32829$78f99aa0$0201a8c0@eluk> References: <20030531113403.27203.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> <018101c32829$78f99aa0$0201a8c0@eluk> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:51:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I'm reminded of my struggles to get "accepted" as a downhill skiier while >still in high school. High School Teachers in roles like that of the ski >team tend to get allowed to turn their process into a clique, since it's not >mainstream sports amongst other reasons; this was no different in Ridgewood >High in the 70s, where the team was "run" by a "popular" Spanish teacher. >Despite having a great deal of control (as well as supreme joy!) in my own >technique, never having a crash, to say nothing of being clocked at over 70 >MPH a number of times, I was excluded from the ski team because it was >thought by this "expert" that I "had no skiing style". Go figure! well, you missed the moment to promote your style with a name and claming that it was faster than the existing ones! :-) > >After a life like that, performing music that happens to utilize a series of >looping processes as a partial canvas - and therefore of course >uncatagorizable by the Hoi Polloi - seems in retrospect like nothing more >than a natural outgrowth for me. I don't care what listeners/critics/record >companies call it so long as someone hears it, yes? I agree, but: In the distributors seminar at the Stockholm electronica it was said they dont work a product if there is not genre for it. How would they? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 10:16:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51E2pN29480; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:02:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:02:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:02:47 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: My farewell point of view From: Stuart Wyatt To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to have found myself emerged into a very complex discussion - parts of which have already been discussed whilst I have been away from the list and I seem to have put my foot in my mouth on a number of occasions :) My point of view is this: There seems to be a closed-mindedness amongst much of the looping community and a reluctance to accept new ideas or different interpretations of what already exists. I want to be part of a community whereby I can speak my mind without having to defend myself or be looked down upon by some of the more 'established' members of the list. There are countless examples of what I am describing. My innocent sentence about smoking herbs that erupted into a full flame war. Being told that my synced stereo looping system was not a synced stereo looping system - even though I am creating stereo looped music with it. And now the heated arguments regarding live looping.... There are others from over the past year. .... so I'm giving up guys and bowing out. I discovered my version of live looping long before I found this list. I actually called it 'live loop sampling' but its the same thing. I have a lot of ideas to share, but I will find a platform whereby I can speak openly without being flamed by closed-minded arrogance or sucked into defending ideas that should not need defending. Kim - thanks for everything that you have done re: LD. I really mean that. For those of you who are interested, I am heading to the UK in a week or so to Eastbourne - and will try to break into the London/Brighton scene. If any UK loopers fancy a jam, I'm all for it :) If anyone wants to contact me offlist, my new email address is swyatt -at- solostring.com. Take care all! And keep looping! - Stuart Wyatt http://www.solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 10:23:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51EENO30894; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:14:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:14:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c32848$8cd76ab0$81a45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <3ED757D0.3060403@optonline.net> Subject: Re: repeater os 1.1 update HELP????????????????? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 07:17:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (this won't be much help) Repeater manual, page 42, "Upgrading Software," says you just power up with the OS on the CFC card inserted. btw, the picture shows "ver 2.0" as example...! wish, wish, but 1.1's better than 1.0... David A. Greg Waltzer:> Do you have the installation instructions? > > Reid Maxwell: > > > hello, > > I am trying to upgrade my repeater to OS 1.1 ... i have the upgrade > > on CFC card but when i boot up the repeater with the card in it. > > Nothing happens. it just act like it always does in OS 1.0 and does > > not prompt me to do anything regarding the next steps. Could someone > > please help me out who has succesfully upgraded their repeater in the > > past or who has knowledge of how to do this upgrade. > > > > thanks, > > Reid > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 11:58:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51FqJX05732; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:52:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:52:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c32855$7ff80e00$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <145790-2200360103624510@M2W047.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: Dig if U will our live looping flame war Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:50:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At the same time, I don't share his all-encompassing love for looping > itself, and I don't perceive the same communal connection between all > loopers that he does. Some of the stylistic differences at gigs with him > have been a bit disconcerting to me: I had a mild panic attack when > Steve Lawson's poppy, major-key "Inner Game" followed Rick's set > (which included an improv using nothing but clitoral vibrators in > drinking glasses) during our Hollywood gig back in January. I think this is a worry, but it's certainly not confined to looping. It's not always a bad thing to give people something of great contrast, and it's also vital in terms of developing new music to take risks. Some pay off, some don't. I'm sure at the gig in Hollywood, there were people who thought Rick's solo set was way too out, and others who thought my naive tunes were too 'down-homey', but the overall vibe of the gig was one of four musicians pooling their artistic stuff and coming up with something pretty vital. The rest of the tour was equally intiguing in those terms. Some stuff was jarring, some was highly compatible. And some was probably a load of shit. ;o) You don't have to perceive anything to do it. A tour gets offered, you take it, you make the experience as fun and educational as possible, and head home. It's not a change of musical focus or career, just a chance to hang for a few days playing odd music with odd people. Some big gigs, some small gigs... etc. etc. All great fun. I have no long term aim to become the loop-festival mainstay either. But I love heading over the Santa Cruz and playing a few dates with Rick - it's a great chance to hang with Him and Chris and Bill and Nancy, and the music is always new and interesting. Some of it gets fed into what I do the rest of the time, but I'm not about to start banging bits of day-glo green plastic together next time I play solo at the Royal Albert Hall... ;o) I love the idea of a looping community - why? cos I like belonging. I enjoy solo bass events or NAMM shows or church for the same reasons. Hanging out with a bunch of looping people is great fun. If it works for some gigs as well, great - we're all trying to get gigs, whatever the angle. If looping works, milk it. It clearly works for Rick. Whether the notion of live-looping as a style or inclusive audience snare will catch on, who knows. Who cares long term... I've never needed a label like that, and often have labels applied to me that don't really fit but work for ease of use. My EDPs are great tools. Great instruments. I play them, I play bass through them. The end result is music, music that would sound very different without either the bass or the loopers... If there's a bass fest going on, I'm in. If there's a loop-fest going on, I'm in. If there's a festival of musicians sartorially influences by Henson Labs, I'm there! 'Dre - you played some wicked stuff on the trio tour - a whole side of your playing that had (at least in public) laid dormant for a while. You got fusion chops to burn. It was GREAT to hear that stuff alongside your EDP/FSU/IDM stuff. Keep wailing, hamster-dance-guitar-hero-maan! Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 12:07:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51G5VD06636; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:05:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030601160525.38146.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:05:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: dead looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <014a01c327a6$84f048a0$6464f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-367572936-1054483525=:37688" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-367572936-1054483525=:37688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii oh, i was just fucking around with the rhetoric. -jim --0-367572936-1054483525=:37688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
oh, i was just fucking around with the rhetoric.
 
-jim
--0-367572936-1054483525=:37688-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 12:10:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51G9qi07101; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:09:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:09:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:13:54 +0100 Subject: Re: livelooping.com From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Well, the main thesis of Geoff's paper is that "Live Looping" is a genre. Originally it was just a history, remove chapters one and ten and you have just that. That was the bulk of the research. The genre idea came later. I didn't realize it would create such arguments. However I think it is something worth thinking and talking about. I am refining my ideas about this all the time. As like I said before when writing about something it is usual to reference your work to others, however there is currently a drought of written material about Live-Looping. Geoff >>>> Geoff Smith's LiveLooping Research Paper >>> >>> I really cannot see what is wrong with this? Maybe someone can enlighten me. >> >> Well, the main thesis of Geoff's paper is that "Live Looping" is a genre. >> >> It is a genre, it isn't a genre, more confusion.... >> >> Part of the point here is to get you guys to think about what you >> are doing and get a clear foundation under it. It seems really fuzzy >> right now. >> > > Thats because its not done. > You say you dont mind, but anyone can feel that you are not > supporting but holding back the idea. Sometimes you say that you say > all that just to alert us to do it better, but... I dont feel that... > > I just can repeat what Stuart mentioned: if you are going to pick on > every word we are going to put on that site, we either cannot do it > or will have to stop comunicating about it on LD. Both solutions dont > seem to be in the interest of anyone. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 12:16:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51GFqG07802; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.214.39.161] X-Originating-Email: [grassbelly@hotmail.com] From: "Reid Maxwell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater os 1.1 update HELP????????????????? I Figured it out!!!! Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:15:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2003 16:15:46.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EB996B0:01C32859] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I figured it out. When the repeater formats a card it installs 2 folders: An Electrix folder with a repeater folder inside that. I was copying the 1.1 software update to the repeater folder. bad move. So I got rid of the folders and left just the 1.1 update. Worked like a charm. Thanks anyway, Reid >From: "David Auker" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: repeater os 1.1 update HELP????????????????? >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 07:17:34 -0700 > >(this won't be much help) > >Repeater manual, page 42, "Upgrading Software," says you just power up with >the OS on the CFC card inserted. btw, the picture shows "ver 2.0" as >example...! wish, wish, but 1.1's better than 1.0... > >David A. > > >Greg Waltzer:> Do you have the installation instructions? > > > > Reid Maxwell: > > > > > hello, > > > I am trying to upgrade my repeater to OS 1.1 ... i have the upgrade > > > on CFC card but when i boot up the repeater with the card in it. > > > Nothing happens. it just act like it always does in OS 1.0 and does > > > not prompt me to do anything regarding the next steps. Could someone > > > please help me out who has succesfully upgraded their repeater in the > > > past or who has knowledge of how to do this upgrade. > > > > > > thanks, > > > Reid > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 12:16:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51GDkh07604; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:13:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:13:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:17:50 +0100 Subject: Re: a new music From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > are there any objections if I speak of Live Looping as a new kind of music? > Well, ok, its a new *way* to create music, but ordinary people dont > make so much of a difference, or do you expect that if an interviewer > asks me "what is new about your music" to answer "my music is old, > only the way to play it is new"? > do you leave me some space for marketing? :-) I personally love this sort of thing. Do it, life should be fun music should be fun writing should be fun. Has everyone heard James Browns introduction. I think it makes Matthias's claims seem extremely modest. Amplify what you do! Geoff on 1/6/03 4:56 am, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > > We should definitally forget about Live Looping beeing a style" > because we all agree that many styles can be interpreted with looping. > Whether it will turn into a genre only time will tell. > World Music is a genre that is packed with all kinds of styles, so > theoretically it is possible. > To call Live Looping a "kind of music" or a "label" does not mean > much, but is handy. Just try to talk to someone about what we do and > you see what I mean. > > I have been talking and playing a lot these days in Sweden, including > two bigger TV interviews and unless you do a Fripp wash for a Fripp > fan, no one doubts that this is new music, independent of the style > its based on. > And new music deserves a new label. > Of course you are free to invent your own personal one, but I dont > see how this could be of benefit for the comunity (unless you do > something ugly :-) > > Ok, Reily did it long ago and such, but since most people dont seem > to know about it or not associate the name looping to it: > > are there any objections if I speak of Live Looping as a new kind of music? > Well, ok, its a new *way* to create music, but ordinary people dont > make so much of a difference, or do you expect that if an interviewer > asks me "what is new about your music" to answer "my music is old, > only the way to play it is new"? > do you leave me some space for marketing? :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 12:23:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51GME108571; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:22:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:22:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030601162213.43971.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:22:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: My farewell point of view To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0cd9OD.A.yFC.2gi2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > There are countless examples of what I am > describing. My innocent > sentence about smoking herbs that erupted into a > full flame war. Being > told that my synced stereo looping system was not a > synced stereo > looping system - even though I am creating stereo > looped music with it. > And now the heated arguments regarding live > looping.... There are > others from over the past year. > It's a discussion list with many personalities. If you don't like having your opinions replied to, attacked, tested and challenged then you should just lurk. This type of back and forth happens in life all the time - it's called conversation and not everybody has to have the same view as you do or agree with anything you have to say. But if you want to say it then people have the right to say they disagree or agree or think it's stupid. All your thoughts were posted on a public forum. > .... so I'm giving up guys and bowing out. I > discovered my version of > live looping long before I found this list. I > actually called it 'live > loop sampling' but its the same thing. I have a lot > of ideas to share, > but I will find a platform whereby I can speak > openly without being > flamed by closed-minded arrogance or sucked into > defending ideas that > should not need defending. > Who is more closed minded. The person making a few statements then running away when people refuse to see it his / her way or the people challenging the statements? Dude it's just a discussion list - don't let it rule or ruin your life / day / week / month / year. If you have a ideas to share then share but think of this as a presentation. People are going to critique the hell out of it and some our going to praise you for it. You'll never find a platform that will like everything you say and agree to everything you stand for. But good luck. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 13:03:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51H1PM11699; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:01:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:01:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030601095524.00b2a270@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:01:18 -0700 To: "Looper's Delight" From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Dig if U will Larry the O's Commentary on the Looping Scene Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please read: http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_oh_say_scene/ -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 13:21:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51HL2a13458; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:21:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 13:21:00 -0400 Subject: Re: My farewell point of view From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030601162213.43971.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart... Maybe one of the most valuable things i've ever been given as a tome... Don't take ANYTHING personally. EVER. It's gotten me out of many a jam. Never mind that I concur with Squid Loop. But what I see going on here is a whole bunch of community folk actually getting active and passionate about their opinions. You know this list, there is a lot to be learned. A lot of different technical levels of expertise, a lot of different 'genres and styles' of music represented. If there is nothing more to be learned for you here or if you're just getting tired of actually being 'on the court' in an active exploration of your own viewpoints, I can totally understand, sometimes I need a break. But i've enjoyed your input, and your questions, and your presence on this list. Please don't unsubscribe or stop participating. Hang In. T. On 6/1/03 12:22 PM, "Squid Loop" wrote: > --- Stuart Wyatt > wrote: > >> There are countless examples of what I am >> describing. My innocent >> sentence about smoking herbs that erupted into a >> full flame war. Being >> told that my synced stereo looping system was not a >> synced stereo >> looping system - even though I am creating stereo >> looped music with it. >> And now the heated arguments regarding live >> looping.... There are >> others from over the past year. >> > > It's a discussion list with many personalities. If you > don't like having your opinions replied to, attacked, > tested and challenged then you should just lurk. This > type of back and forth happens in life all the time - > it's called conversation and not everybody has to have > the same view as you do or agree with anything you > have to say. But if you want to say it then people > have the right to say they disagree or agree or think > it's stupid. All your thoughts were posted on a public > forum. > >> .... so I'm giving up guys and bowing out. I >> discovered my version of >> live looping long before I found this list. I >> actually called it 'live >> loop sampling' but its the same thing. I have a lot >> of ideas to share, >> but I will find a platform whereby I can speak >> openly without being >> flamed by closed-minded arrogance or sucked into >> defending ideas that >> should not need defending. >> > > Who is more closed minded. The person making a few > statements then running away when people refuse to see > it his / her way or the people challenging the > statements? > > Dude it's just a discussion list - don't let it rule > or ruin your life / day / week / month / year. > > If you have a ideas to share then share but think of > this as a presentation. People are going to critique > the hell out of it and some our going to praise you > for it. You'll never find a platform that will like > everything you say and agree to everything you stand > for. But good luck. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 13:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51HS8r14542; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:28:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Sweden tour Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <687CDC44-9456-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 08:47 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > Actually this our effort and exercise to work on a common aim and > method may be just as important as the aim and method itself, its just > very sad that it has to happen by email. I would love to sit in a > circle and look at each other, all at the same time concentrated in > the discussion until the agreement is found. > I suggested gathering for a "Looper's Summit" a while ago. No performances, just a bunch of us talking about looping and techniques and what ever. I think it would be both fun and useful. However, I really thing that Andre's last email pretty much nailed it down... Maybe his text could serve as a starting point for further talks. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 13:48:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51Hk1u16312; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:46:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 18:50:05 +0100 Subject: Re: last reply to Kim on the whole LIVE LOOPING thangee From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01c32733$a7a30540$d364f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9XTjaD.A.q-D.Zvj2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick wrote > You win. I feel we might win if we did it down the pub, I am a much better performer than writer, and I think between us we could do it. I am also slightly dyslexic which means I talk better than I write. To express matters of the heart, you need your voice. If all else failed we could shout louder than Kim! Ha Ha ha Geoff (in danger of having his arse kicked by Kims logic too) on 31/5/03 6:15 am, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > Dear Kim and everyone at Loopers Delight, > > I just read your very thorough post and answer to my points, Kim. > Thanks for taking the time to write them. > > Your logic, as always, is impeccable. > > You make strong logical points for everything you say. > > ........and, if I read you correctly (and I seem to be in the habit of > reading > you incorrectly, lately), you think that our (and by that I mean most but > not all of the people who have been producing so called Looping events in > the past couple of years) use of the term 'Live Looping' is > counterproductive and in danger of hurting the work that you have > accomlished with Loopers Delight so far. > > I'm really sad that you feel that way, but I just don't agree with you. > > It just isn't completely about the intellect and logic for me. I can't > convince you, logically that what I do is right..........I just have a > strong gut feeling that it is. > > I'm just very tired debating you any longer. It only depresses me and life > has been depressing enough lately. > > You win. > > ********************* > > I am, consequently, sorry we don't agree, but we just don't. > > I'm following my heart with my work. > > I'm trying to be creative. I'm trying to help out the cause of Looping. > > I guess history will be the true judge no matter what you and I think, > intellectually. > > So we are just going to have to agree to disagree, I'm afraid. > > > ************************ > > My honest apologies to all of you whose buttons I have pushed with my > efforts and my posts. I've never intended to push anyone's buttons. I've > really intended to be as inclusive as I could. I've just tried to promote > Looping to the public the best way that I know how to. I've worked hard at > it even if Kim feels that my work is detrimental to the cause of looping and > loopers. > > I will not be offended if you put my name on automatic delete. Honestly. I > certainly don't mean to be intrusive. > > ********************* > > To those of you who aren't offended by what I do, I hope to play with you > in the future: > to share ideas and techniques and friendship. I love looping. I consider > myself a live looper (whether that is a movement, a genre, a style or just > some wierd assed figment of my imagination). I know that there are a few > of us here by the many e-mails that I've recieved lately off list > encouraging me to push on. Thanks for those. > > ********************* > > Now, why don't we get back to the gear and the music. That would be cool. > I've got a hell of a lot of work to do to be able to use the EDP effectively > in a live situati > > yours, sincerely, > > Rick Walker > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 13:51:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51HooC16804; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:50:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:50:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c32866$52ac3aa0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: Keystroke macro triggered by MIDI? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:50:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know of a (hopefully simple) software tool for the PC that will allow me to fire off keyboard macros based on MIDI note or controller value input? Any help greatly appreciated! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 13:57:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51Hv2L17403; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:57:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:57:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Keystroke macro triggered by MIDI? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:56:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c32867$30d0aaf0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <008101c32866$52ac3aa0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h51Hv1B17378 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MIDI Ox -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Keystroke macro triggered by MIDI? Anyone know of a (hopefully simple) software tool for the PC that will allow me to fire off keyboard macros based on MIDI note or controller value input? Any help greatly appreciated! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 14:15:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51IEDw18827; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:14:12 -0700 Subject: Re: My farewell point of view Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030601162213.43971.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 09:22 AM, Squid Loop wrote: > > Who is more closed minded. The person making a few > statements then running away when people refuse to see > it his / her way or the people challenging the > statements? > > Dude it's just a discussion list - don't let it rule > or ruin your life / day / week / month / year. Good point my psudopod pal. You'll sleep a lot better of you learn a simple phrase: "Whatever" I'm pretty much OK with what other's feel about the whole name thing, but I still read the posts even when I disagree with most of what's been said. Good to have a wide range of ideas, even if they conflict with your own. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 14:19:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51IHqw19270; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:17:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030601105721.02c21cb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:19:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: livelooping.com In-Reply-To: <147.12bddb0b.2c0b5493@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:07 AM 6/1/2003, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >LD's a fantastic site, a brilliant resource . >It doesn't have a structure that would lead the curious >directly to where they could discover new music, The first link on LD is to the Profiles section, which is not perfect, but it is the second most popular area of Looper's Delight. Thousands of people go there each month to browse through looper's profiles, most of which have links to their respective sites and audio files. I go there all the time to discover new music, it seems many others do as well. We also have the files section where people can upload audio files. That is more intended for examples for discussion, however. >(and I thought there wasn't the server space for loads >of audio). I don't want to pay to host 100's of people's mp3 albums, no. I think it works better for people to have their own individual sites for that and put the links in their profile on LD. >Kim, if you think it would be better to put all this onto LD >then maybe we should all consider it. that's up to you, not me. Looper's Delight has always welcomed new material from people in the looping community. That's how the entire site was created. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 14:20:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51IJNr19482; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:19:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:19:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My farewell point of view Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:19:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2003 18:19:16.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FD501F0:01C3286A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Good to have a wide range of ideas, even if they conflict with your own. > >Mark Sottilaro > I would change this to ESPECIALLY if they conflict with your own, without the challenge of other ideas how do you know if yours can stand up? Will Wright _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 14:32:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51IVIN20497; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:31:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:31:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please join my N.E.W music genera! Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:31:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2003 18:31:12.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA4910D0:01C3286B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heeeee, this is how I am explaining my music from now on... or at least till something wierder occurs to me :) Will >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Please join my N.E.W music genera! >Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:27:40 -0700 > >Hey everybody! I figured it out! We can call our new genera: N.E.W. music >(Neo Eclectic Wanking). I think it's a perfect name! > >Why? > >It's an acronym! How fun is that? > >Neo: > >It's a classic! Those Greeks! We're still using their scales, linguistics >and all night approach to being able to find somewhere to eat. Don't >forget the fact that it's trendy to use. With the blockbuster movie Matrix >out why not use some of Warner Bros' momentum? Add all that to the fact >that it means new and what we're all trying to do is relatively new in >historic terms. > >Eclectic: > >As I think we've all just pointed out, our musical tastes, influences and >styles are all over the map. Rick, my friend, how can you put what you do >in the same category as what Brian Kenny Fresno does? ... yet it's all live >looping! It's all good to, IMO. Actually, I hate what some of you do, but >I'd fight for your right to do it. Looping isn't a genera. Fin. > >Wanking: > >We're a bunch of wankers! If not guitar, some other instrument or device. >If not that, we can intellectually wank, which is what we're doing now! >Wanking is a good term because it A) has sexual conatations B) describes >the often solitary nature of what we do [ew, Rick dose it with his >brother!] C) eludes to the fact that WE DO IT UNTIL WE'RE FINISHED >REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT ANYONE ELSE WANTS US TO! Weeeeeeeee! > >So what do you all think? Kim? Can we change the LD site to the N.E.W >site? I'm sure there won't be any less talk about looping (or more >either). That way we won't feel too bad when we spend days talking about >drugs or the latest tube emulators. If not I'm going to put up my own site >and take away all your business. Don't cross me! I'M ON THE EDGE! > >do what now? > >Mark Sottilaro > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 14:33:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51IVhh20538; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:31:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:31:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c3286c$09d5ee60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <000201c32867$30d0aaf0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: Keystroke macro triggered by MIDI? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:31:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Couldn't find the functionality in MIDI-Ox, although I don't doubt that it's there, and I'm too lazy to find it :) I had honestly done a couple of rounds of Googling to find something before I sent the question to this group. Just after that, I found this: http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/ Works great for what I'm doing. Thanks gang! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: RE: Keystroke macro triggered by MIDI? > MIDI Ox > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Keystroke macro triggered by MIDI? > > > Anyone know of a (hopefully simple) software tool for the PC that will allow > me to fire off keyboard macros based on MIDI note or controller value input? > > Any help greatly appreciated! > > Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 15:02:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51J0qv23026; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:00:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Keystroke macro triggered by MIDI? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:47:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c3286e$3f2ca570$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <008b01c3286c$09d5ee60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h51IxSB22898 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't remember but, you might have to do it in Script or Visual Basic there are examples on ther page. Use Script its faster to develop with -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 2:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keystroke macro triggered by MIDI? Couldn't find the functionality in MIDI-Ox, although I don't doubt that it's there, and I'm too lazy to find it :) I had honestly done a couple of rounds of Googling to find something before I sent the question to this group. Just after that, I found this: http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/ Works great for what I'm doing. Thanks gang! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: RE: Keystroke macro triggered by MIDI? > MIDI Ox > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Keystroke macro triggered by MIDI? > > > Anyone know of a (hopefully simple) software tool for the PC that will allow > me to fire off keyboard macros based on MIDI note or controller value input? > > Any help greatly appreciated! > > Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 15:12:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51JBVG23925; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:11:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:11:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:11:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Please join my N.E.W music genera! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's one! Will no other's join me? On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 11:31 AM, Will Wright wrote: > Heeeee, this is how I am explaining my music from now on... or at > least till something wierder occurs to me :) > > Will > > >> From: Mark Sottilaro >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Please join my N.E.W music genera! >> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:27:40 -0700 >> >> Hey everybody! I figured it out! We can call our new genera: N.E.W. >> music (Neo Eclectic Wanking). I think it's a perfect name! >> >> Why? >> >> It's an acronym! How fun is that? >> >> Neo: >> >> It's a classic! Those Greeks! We're still using their scales, >> linguistics and all night approach to being able to find somewhere to >> eat. Don't forget the fact that it's trendy to use. With the >> blockbuster movie Matrix out why not use some of Warner Bros' >> momentum? Add all that to the fact that it means new and what we're >> all trying to do is relatively new in historic terms. >> >> Eclectic: >> >> As I think we've all just pointed out, our musical tastes, influences >> and styles are all over the map. Rick, my friend, how can you put >> what you do in the same category as what Brian Kenny Fresno does? ... >> yet it's all live looping! It's all good to, IMO. Actually, I hate >> what some of you do, but I'd fight for your right to do it. Looping >> isn't a genera. Fin. >> >> Wanking: >> >> We're a bunch of wankers! If not guitar, some other instrument or >> device. If not that, we can intellectually wank, which is what we're >> doing now! Wanking is a good term because it A) has sexual >> conatations B) describes the often solitary nature of what we do [ew, >> Rick dose it with his brother!] C) eludes to the fact that WE DO IT >> UNTIL WE'RE FINISHED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT ANYONE ELSE WANTS >> US TO! Weeeeeeeee! >> >> So what do you all think? Kim? Can we change the LD site to the >> N.E.W site? I'm sure there won't be any less talk about looping (or >> more either). That way we won't feel too bad when we spend days >> talking about drugs or the latest tube emulators. If not I'm going >> to put up my own site and take away all your business. Don't cross >> me! I'M ON THE EDGE! >> >> do what now? >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 15:15:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51JEcn24280; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:14:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030601191432.5472.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Loopstock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030601095524.00b2a270@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is wonderful congratulations to Rick Walker and all of the others who took the time to organize this type of events keep it up! L.a --- Hans Lindauer wrote: > Please read: > http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_oh_say_scene/ > > -Hans > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 18:15:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51MDh508462; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:13:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:13:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 18:13:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9cTc_.A.GEC.Xqn2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey richard. It's called reverb.it and I think I found it here... http://silverspike.com How ya doin'? I just found my self in the hospital for three days after a serious and vicious gall bladder attack. Seems like I have a stone stuck in the sphincter of Odi... T. On 5/25/03 12:37 PM, "Richard Zvonar" wrote: > At 12:14 AM -0400 5/25/03, todd reynolds wrote: > >> silver spike reverb > > ?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 18:27:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h51MLc909374; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:21:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:21:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030601222132.26641.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:21:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Styles and looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530015613.02ba9ff8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the things that attracted me the first time i heard "Lounge Music" before i even knew what it was called, was first the lo-fi decadent jazzy sleasy elegant quality of it and second the abbrupt,trimmed, edited and repetitive sound it had.I could identify the music right away because it had a style and a certain sound quality even without knowing what it was called or what technology they were using to achieve this.I think this is one of the problems with such a broad term as looping, a lot of people are using it nowdays without the public even knowing or caring about it.There is techno,trip hop, electronica, ambient, house, drum and bass, hip hop,chill out, etc. and they are as well using loops(some of them live some of them not).But i think it is these strong identities which later develop to a category rather than looping which i think are more relevant to the public. Just my 2 cents Louie --- Kim Flint wrote: > Sorry folks. I thought I had explained my point > plenty well already, but > apparently not. Rick insists I have to answer > directly each of his posts. > I'll limit it to two. Since I already made all of > these points answering > other people's posts, this will be pretty > repetitive. It sure feels that > way to me. > > At 09:46 AM 5/26/2003, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > >It's also important to say that I guess I just get > a little tired of people > >(and not necessarily you, Kim) constantly putting > down the people who > >actually like to be called loopers. > > are there people doing that? I haven't heard it I > guess. > > Most people calling themselves "loopers" are > describing their role in the > creation of the music. Like somebody who plays > trumpet calling themselves a > "trumpeter". It describes tools, techniques, and > instruments. > > Conflict erupts when people try to use "Looping" to > refer to particular > genres of music, whether they mean to or not. (or > styles, categories, types > etc. I seem to use these words interchangeably, > sorry.) When you go out > into the world promoting "Looping" or "Live Looping" > it sure looks like > that's what you are doing. When that happens it > threatens to confuse what a > "Looper" is, since it suddenly starts referring to a > particular type of > music. Then lots of people get pissed off because > their self-descriptive > use of "Looper" suddenly means they play that type > of music when they > don't. So they either fight back or they avoid > anything at all to do with > the word "Looper". > > > >There is ,of course, always a constant danger of > preaching to the converted > >of course, but the fact of the matter is > thatrallying together as a > >community of people with common cause > >who are interested in promoting and learning about > the thing that they love > >is not a bad thing. > > yes, that is what we do here at Looper's Delight. > The point though is that > "Looping" is generally an idea being promoted to > other musicians as a type > of instrument or tool or technique. The goal is to > get more musicians > interested in Looping. It is not promoted as a > musical style or genre or > whatever, because it isn't one for one thing. But > also because that works > directly against the idea of promoting Looping to a > wider range of musicians. > > > >you wrote: > >". But I don't see how it does much to directly > promote looping outside of > >that realm." > > > >I actually challenge your assertion that looping > festivals don't promote to > >people outside of the realm. I have played to > literally thousands of > >non-loopers in the 25 some odd Looping > festivals,several looping tours and > >dozens of solo, duo and trio gigs that I have done > as a self professed > >Live Looping Artist. I calculated that I performed > on local FM radio last > >year a total of over 12 hours. That went to out to > thousands of 'normals' > >(lol) > >in my region and over in the South Bay (with > several million people within > >earshot). I was interviewed in countless magazine > articles and, indeed, we > >had a long cover article on the Metro newspaper > which went out to most > >people in our county (100,000 population) on > specifically the Live Looping > >Movement. I've had strong interest from both > national and international > >electronic music magazines and currently have a 30 > minute television > >special rotating constantly on local cable access > as we speak. > > Rick, your efforts are amazing. But doesn't this > mean all these people now > think "Live Looping" is a type of music that sounds > like Rick Walker? > > When we are promoting Looping to other musicians, as > we do with Looper's > Delight, there is a clear description of Looping > being more of an > instrument or a set of tools that musicians can use > for whatever type of > music they like. Musicians can readily understand > that this is about the > tools. However, when you promote this idea of "Live > Looping" to the public > they will naturally understand it as a type of > music, not a type of > instrument. Non-musicians don't care very much what > instruments are used or > how they are played, they care about the musical > result they hear and > whether they like that or not. > > That is the problem that frustrates people here. > When you go out into the > public and say "Hey everybody, come check out this > new Live-Looping scene", > the public will understand that to mean a style of > music. When they do come > check it out, whatever they hear first will equal > the "Live Looping" genre > for them, and they will judge if they like it or > not. That's a problem for > everybody else. Using the term in such a way harms > everyone else's ability > to promote themselves since it now refers to some > other style of music. > > On the other hand, if you go out promoting "Live > Looping" to the world as > including all sorts of different types of music, > ordinary listeners will > just be confused. You are really promoting the > tools/instruments/techniques > side. That is all the term "Live Looping" can mean > if it's not about the > musical result people listen to. It's just like > promoting "Trumpeting" to > the masses. That's great, but you have to realize > the only people > interested will be musicians who currently play that > instrument or are > considering it. That's a really small market. Most > other people don't care > about the tools, they care about the resulting > music. What use is "Live > Looping" to them if it is any kind of music? They > will only find this term > confusing and not useful in helping them find music > they like. Marketing > "Live Looping" to the non-musician world is > pointless if there is no > obvious style of music for them to respond to. > > So that's why I don't understand this as a mass > marketing strategy. Either > it's pointless if there is no genre associated with > it or it's harmful if > there is. > > > > All kudos to the solo bass movement but using > that angle with > >reporters just fell flat on it's face whereas > talking about the metaphor and > >technology that surrounded that auspicious event > really excited the > >journalists and I think for three salient reasons: > >1) It was new and they didn't know about the > technology so it peaked their > >interest > > with all due respect, you are in Santa Cruz, CA. > Santa Cruz is an > eclectic, affluent suburb to Silicon Valley, the > tech center of the world. > Anything weird, arty, and related to technology will > immediately get any > journalist's interest when serving that area. But it > hardly represents most > of the rest of the world. > > Also, novelties sell papers. When the novelty is > used up, then what? > > > >this last fact can't be overemphasized: We have > had === message truncated === ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 20:38:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h520bLu24100; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:37:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:37:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:10:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Why I said Andrees music may deserve its own name From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <57050-2200360163712552@M2W087.mail2web.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7SN_kC.A.e4F.Bxp2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/31/03 11:37 PM, altruist@earthlink.net at altruist@earthlink.net wrote: > If "live looping" is supposed to be full-phrase repetition, post-Terry > Riley > sounding music, then the "sliced" school of looping doesn't fit. For that matter, Bill Walker using his arpeggiator to drive the pitch shift on his Repeater wouldn't qualify as "live looping" under that definition. I think it's probably too narrow. What Matthias is talking about could perhaps be called "time lag looping" (a category that would also include Frippertronics, but you only get that if you have a Fripp to plug into the looper). I don't know that "time lag looping" is particularly more marketable than "live looping", but I also haven't seen a need to draw a line between Matthias's work and Andre's work. The big part with "live" is distinguishing it from things like "Acid loops". Though, of course, having a program called "Live" for working with pre-recorded loops messes with that. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 20:44:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h520giY24963; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:42:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:42:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c3289f$9e76c200$0464f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200306011623.h51GNfi08719@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Dre's last post on the Live Loop thang Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:40:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre wrote: "For instance, someone who really loves ambient music hears me, billed as playing "live looping," and assumes they don't like "live looping" because it's all glitchy and aggressive and angular. Then they never get to hear your own very beautiful and ambient music. Or the other way around (and an all too common scenario): an IDM fan hears a Robert Fripp or Brian Eno album, and assumes that all looping is ambient, so when I come through town and they hear I'm a looping guitarist, they never bother to check me out because "they don't dig ambient." You have just provided a wonderful example of why I love being all inclusive in the looping festivals that I have produced, played in and promoted. At such a festival, an audience can potentially see the truly wonderful diversity that exists between you and Matthias............Me and Tom Heasley............ John Whooley and AmyX Neuburg. It's an impressive amount of aesthetic diversity. I'm even with you, that I don't always like everything that is put on at those shows but I do like that people felt supported to progress in their art and that they had and active goal that helped them to proceed, actively, with it. You know, Bill Graham in his formative years of producing shows in San Francisco specifically booked the Duke Ellington orchestra with Big Brother and the Holding Company, Gordon LIghtfoot and Canned Heat (I saw that show on my 16th birthday......lol). He did it purposefully because he feared that the emerging hippy movement would become to insular and uninformed. It was, frankly, one of the really wonderful things about the early Freak days in Northern California. FM radio had you listing to Odetta followed by the Jefferson Airplane followed by Ravi Shankar followed by Cream, in my estimation. It promoted a level of artistic and cultural diversity that has really been lacking in my estimation in American culture of the last decade or so. We can only do little tiny and relatively unambitous things to combat that narrowing of aesthetics, but I think it is a cool thing to do. I'm all in support of you or Kim or whoever if you don't agree. I've loved seeing the great purple-pony tailed one at each of the shows that I've seen him at and we agree about very little, philosophically, I think. Even though I've bonded with him and Mark Sottilaro as the only other wierd, artivficially dyed hair guys at these shows..............LOL Whether or no, we all (you, Kim Flint, Matthias Grob, Stuart Wyatt, Steve Lawson, and all the others who have been part of these recent discussions) have the ability to be accepting of each other. If we are truly strong in what we believe, we know that the way another person feels doesn't need to have much impact on us (unless they are trying to actively steal or physically harm us). I don't think anyone here wants to steal or harm each other. Trying in a self conciously naive and hippified way to bring peace back to our list, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 20:47:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h520l8525657; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:47:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:47:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:46:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7TJ6eB.A.wQG.L6p2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:13 PM -0400 6/1/03, todd reynolds wrote: >Hey richard. It's called reverb.it and I think I found it here... > >http://silverspike.com Looks promising. Cheap, too. My latest software discovery is Yellow Tools Culture - a very natural sounding percussion instrument available as VST and RTAS plug-in. >How ya doin'? I just found my self in the hospital for three days after a >serious and vicious gall bladder attack. Seems like I have a stone stuck in >the sphincter of Odi... Ouch! I'm surviving. P.S. Got a Mobile I/O+DSP -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 20:55:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h520snP26766; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:54:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:54:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ae01c328a1$4f20c820$0464f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200306011623.h51GNfi08719@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: dead looping Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:52:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Fowler wrote: "oh, i was just fucking around with the rhetoric." I know, I was too, bro ................... nice to see some humor return to the old list. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 21:09:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5213ML27731; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:03:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:03:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c328a2$890ab860$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <140.12b2b6b0.2c0ae4b9@aol.com> Subject: Re: Bass Faces... Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:01:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01C32870.3DF32920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C32870.3DF32920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable congrats gregory!! cool pic too. cheers, jg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Looping9string@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: Bass Faces... i am very excited, and proud to announce that i am this months = featured artist at: http://www.bassically.net/bass_faces/ Regards, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.9andZen.com www.BEEbasses.com ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C32870.3DF32920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
congrats gregory!! cool pic = too.
 
cheers,
 
jg
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Looping9string@aol.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 = 11:10=20 PM
Subject: Bass Faces...

i am very excited, and proud to announce that i = am this=20 months featured artist at:

http://www.bassically.net/= bass_faces/

Regards,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.9andZen.com
www.BEEbasses.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C32870.3DF32920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 21:14:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h521DIO29115; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010301c328a3$e3c93320$0464f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200306012227.h51MRpm09933@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Loopstock Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:06:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <3SjqqD.A.zGH.uSq2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie wrote: "This is wonderful congratulations to Rick Walker and all of the others who took the time to organize this type of events keep it up!" Thanks so much Louie, but to give complete credit where credit is due: Both of the wonderful LOOPSTOCK festivals held in San Luis Obispo where created entirely by the fabulous looper Hans Lindauer. I was in awe of them and inspired by how much fun and how much I learned and what a great feeling of community that I felt at both of them, so I tried creating the Y2K2 LOOPFEST and, hopefully, the Y2K3 Live Looping Festival laster this year in the first week of October. Loop on , guys and gals!!! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 21:18:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h521IIn29740; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:18:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:18:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ff01c328a4$9f2a4140$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <200305310345.h4V3jEh15839@hemlock.violacea.com> <002c01c32733$a7a30540$d364f93f@global> Subject: Re: last reply to Kim on the whole LIVE LOOPING thangee Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:16:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <22ATz.A.iQH.ZXq2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ricks my hero. green is good. i like both you boys. good stuff even when tough. i watch and listen allot. i don't say much. i play and record music for a living. its ALL about the muse ic. rick and bill thanks for celebrating some of your mom with us. it touched me in beautiful ways, what you've shared with us on the list. keep it real i want to play the next loop fest keep it passionate. ic muse. religion, politics and now looping seems to be hard edged areas for group consensus. let it be. until round two. kim im about due a paypal hit to you. 25 bucks this week good sir. anybody else have rent due here? i love both your efforts and i learn allot here. always take it to the stage. what ever that means to you. kudos to the list and who reads this sentence. peace and love to all, jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL To: Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: last reply to Kim on the whole LIVE LOOPING thangee > Dear Kim and everyone at Loopers Delight, > > I just read your very thorough post and answer to my points, Kim. > Thanks for taking the time to write them. > > Your logic, as always, is impeccable. > > You make strong logical points for everything you say. > > ........and, if I read you correctly (and I seem to be in the habit of > reading > you incorrectly, lately), you think that our (and by that I mean most but > not all of the people who have been producing so called Looping events in > the past couple of years) use of the term 'Live Looping' is > counterproductive and in danger of hurting the work that you have > accomlished with Loopers Delight so far. > > I'm really sad that you feel that way, but I just don't agree with you. > > It just isn't completely about the intellect and logic for me. I can't > convince you, logically that what I do is right..........I just have a > strong gut feeling that it is. > > I'm just very tired debating you any longer. It only depresses me and life > has been depressing enough lately. > > You win. > > ********************* > > I am, consequently, sorry we don't agree, but we just don't. > > I'm following my heart with my work. > > I'm trying to be creative. I'm trying to help out the cause of Looping. > > I guess history will be the true judge no matter what you and I think, > intellectually. > > So we are just going to have to agree to disagree, I'm afraid. > > > ************************ > > My honest apologies to all of you whose buttons I have pushed with my > efforts and my posts. I've never intended to push anyone's buttons. I've > really intended to be as inclusive as I could. I've just tried to promote > Looping to the public the best way that I know how to. I've worked hard at > it even if Kim feels that my work is detrimental to the cause of looping and > loopers. > > I will not be offended if you put my name on automatic delete. Honestly. I > certainly don't mean to be intrusive. > > ********************* > > To those of you who aren't offended by what I do, I hope to play with you > in the future: > to share ideas and techniques and friendship. I love looping. I consider > myself a live looper (whether that is a movement, a genre, a style or just > some wierd assed figment of my imagination). I know that there are a few > of us here by the many e-mails that I've recieved lately off list > encouraging me to push on. Thanks for those. > > ********************* > > Now, why don't we get back to the gear and the music. That would be cool. > I've got a hell of a lot of work to do to be able to use the EDP effectively > in a live situati > > yours, sincerely, > > Rick Walker > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 21:21:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h521JnL30055; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c328a4$d4983bc0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <200306012227.h51MRpm09933@hemlock.violacea.com> <010301c328a3$e3c93320$0464f93f@global> Subject: Re: Loopstock Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:18:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <_X0YC.A.cVH.1Yq2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i want to play Y2K3LOOPFEST. i'll bring the sandwhiches? jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: Loopstock > Louie wrote: > > "This is wonderful congratulations to Rick Walker and > all of the others who took the time to organize this > type of events keep it up!" > > > Thanks so much Louie, but to give complete credit where credit is due: > > Both of the wonderful LOOPSTOCK festivals held in San Luis Obispo > where created entirely by the fabulous looper Hans Lindauer. > > I was in awe of them and inspired by how much fun and how much > I learned and what a great feeling of community that I felt at > both of them, so I tried creating the Y2K2 LOOPFEST and, hopefully, > the Y2K3 Live Looping Festival laster this year in the first week > of October. > > Loop on , guys and gals!!! > > Rick > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 21:23:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h521Mcn30437; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:22:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:22:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030602012232.82045.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: link for electronic music history buffs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ff01c328a4$9f2a4140$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2JyvJD.A.cbH.dbq2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some of you will find this interesting: -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 21:34:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h521XCY32031; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fd01c328a6$f1f7fff0$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <200306012227.h51MRpm09933@hemlock.violacea.com> <010301c328a3$e3c93320$0464f93f@global> <010d01c328a4$d4983bc0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Subject: Re: Loopstock Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:33:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to play it, too. When is it? Where do I send my demo? Hans, you in charge? Jimmy George said there was something going on in the fall, but then trailed off into incoherent mumbling. I hit him in the face with a pipe, but then he just bled everywhere and spent the rest of the night groping around on the floor for his missing teeth. I was unsubbed for a couple days last week, so sorry if I am asking for previously given info. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy George Band" To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Loopstock > i want to play Y2K3LOOPFEST. i'll bring the sandwhiches? > > jg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 21:43:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h521gBc01013; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:42:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:42:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017701c328a7$f5c3b880$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <200306012227.h51MRpm09933@hemlock.violacea.com> <010301c328a3$e3c93320$0464f93f@global> <010d01c328a4$d4983bc0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> <00fd01c328a6$f1f7fff0$520cfc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Loopstock Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:40:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i want that pipe back jrl! jg welcome back. things have been a little moist here latley. blue mule this monday (tomorrow) (1624 market street) good sir? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Loopstock > I want to play it, too. When is it? Where do I send my demo? Hans, you in > charge? > > Jimmy George said there was something going on in the fall, but then trailed > off into incoherent mumbling. I hit him in the face with a pipe, but then > he just bled everywhere and spent the rest of the night groping around on > the floor for his missing teeth. > > I was unsubbed for a couple days last week, so sorry if I am asking for > previously given info. > > -J > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy George Band" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: Loopstock > > > > i want to play Y2K3LOOPFEST. i'll bring the sandwhiches? > > > > jg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 22:11:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h522A3E03452; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:10:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:10:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 19:10:18 -0700 From: Tim Thompson Subject: dorkbot talk with loopy content In-reply-to: <200306012227.h51MRpB09932@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002b01c328ac$1dab2ff0$15a8a8c0@NOLA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be giving a talk this wednesday (June 4, 7:30pm) in San Francisco demonstrating a variety of unusual controllers and interactive musical toys which some people might think of as quite loopy. For example, wireless joysticks controlling balls bouncing around in a maze, which trigger sounds as they hit the walls of the maze in often-repeated paths - some people might even think they were loops. Another example will be a dance pad and wireless qwerty keyboard controlling a more typical loop application. There will be a fair bit of non-looped content as well. See: http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotsf/ ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 22:31:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h522Tp705552; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:29:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:29:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c328af$31607a20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531154504.040dd008@loopers-delight.com> <20030531103328.79946.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030531154504.040dd008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030601013323.03ecbea8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: livelooping.com Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:32:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [141.149.189.159] at Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:29:44 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint writes..... > Creating the web pages is the easy part. Getting people to come look at > them is the really hard part. Getting the people to keep coming back is > even harder. It takes a lot of time, effort, and money to develop traffic > patterns for a new web site. > > kim > DAMN STRAIGHT -- IT SURE DOES !!!!! And it takes a steady stream of original content that attracts readers. Case in point: my brother has been webmaster for the King Crimson, DGM and Elephant-Talk websites for the oodle of years. He tells me the week Fripp stopped posting his diaries online to the DGM site, traffic drastically dropped off. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 22:37:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h522b2J06424; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:37:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:37:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EDAB90E.6B7940DC@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:40:14 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dead looping References: <200306011623.h51GNfi08719@hemlock.violacea.com> <00ae01c328a1$4f20c820$0464f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dead Looping is when it's Goth. ;) Scott "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > > Jim Fowler wrote: > > "oh, i was just fucking around with the rhetoric." > > I know, I was too, bro ................... > > nice to see some humor return to the old list. > > Rick -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 22:43:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h522gkx07039; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:42:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:42:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: live looping, etc. Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:43:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c328b0$c592e740$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <147.12bddb0b.2c0b5493@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The meaning of a word has a limited lifespan. This is true even of such "physically defined" words as METER (as in "the distance is 1 meter") whose definition has changed over time. Then read some Shakespeare and tell me what it means, after all, it's plain English. To paraphrase Rick: What is, IS. But IS only now. Eventually, what IS is what WAS. So relax, maybe we can decide what STYLE, GENRE, LOOPING, LIVE LOOPING is. And tomorrow it will be different. Words are supposed to AID communication. Hang onto a word after it ceases to communicate and soon you'll be talking to yourself. Be prepared to discard a particular word when needed. Words about technology and "techie things" seem especially slippery because technology is changing so rapidly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 1 23:52:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h523pi213161; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:51:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:51:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:49:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopstock nee Loopfest From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010d01c328a4$d4983bc0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jg writ: > i want to play Y2K3LOOPFEST. i'll bring the sandwhiches? > > jg > i wanna play too-i'll bring the lubricant stanish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 00:12:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h524ApU14818; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:10:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 00:10:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks promising as well! though not cheap. I'll have to look for someone who has it so I can listen in and look. I didn't see any demo software or mp3 demos... Enjoy, though... Are you sold on it? And when are the updates coming out from our polish friends? T. On 6/1/03 8:46 PM, "Richard Zvonar" wrote: > At 6:13 PM -0400 6/1/03, todd reynolds wrote: >> Hey richard. It's called reverb.it and I think I found it here... >> >> http://silverspike.com > > Looks promising. Cheap, too. > > My latest software discovery is Yellow Tools Culture - a very natural > sounding percussion instrument available as VST and RTAS plug-in. > > >> How ya doin'? I just found my self in the hospital for three days after a >> serious and vicious gall bladder attack. Seems like I have a stone stuck in >> the sphincter of Odi... > > Ouch! I'm surviving. > > P.S. Got a Mobile I/O+DSP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 00:14:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h524DLT15113; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:13:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030602041319.74401.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2sYl0C.A.BsD.g7s2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Demo here: http://silverspike.com/Download/download.html --- todd reynolds wrote: > Looks promising as well! though not cheap. I'll > have to look for someone > who has it so I can listen in and look. I didn't > see any demo software or > mp3 demos... > > Enjoy, though... Are you sold on it? And when are > the updates coming out > from our polish friends? > > T. > > On 6/1/03 8:46 PM, "Richard Zvonar" > wrote: > > > At 6:13 PM -0400 6/1/03, todd reynolds wrote: > >> Hey richard. It's called reverb.it and I think I > found it here... > >> > >> http://silverspike.com > > > > Looks promising. Cheap, too. > > > > My latest software discovery is Yellow Tools > Culture - a very natural > > sounding percussion instrument available as VST > and RTAS plug-in. > > > > > >> How ya doin'? I just found my self in the > hospital for three days after a > >> serious and vicious gall bladder attack. Seems > like I have a stone stuck in > >> the sphincter of Odi... > > > > Ouch! I'm surviving. > > > > P.S. Got a Mobile I/O+DSP > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 00:50:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h524nZ418120; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:41:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:10 AM -0400 6/2/03, todd reynolds wrote: >[Yellow Tools Culture] Looks promising as well! though not cheap... >I didn't see any demo software or mp3 demos... http://www.yellowtools.com/seiten/produkte_e/culture/culture_tryout_e.htm > Are you sold on it? I think it sounds very good and that it offers musically useful performance features. I find that my long-in-the tooth G4/500 runs out of CPU resources quite easily. I haven't tried it yet with my PowerBook 800. It has a ton (well...9 GB) of samples and most voices have an incredible amount of detail. However, even with such a large library I find myself wishing for percussion instruments that aren't included. That's the trouble with percussion - there are neverending possibilities. For more, check out my review on audioMIDI.com in a week or so. >And when are the updates coming out from our polish friends? No recent news. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 00:53:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h524qUO18450; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:52:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:52:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c328c2$8cf15ae0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock nee Loopfest Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:50:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com make it a named brand staner eh? jg ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Loopstock nee Loopfest > jg writ: > > > i want to play Y2K3LOOPFEST. i'll bring the sandwhiches? > > > > jg > > > > > i wanna play too-i'll bring the lubricant > > stanish > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 02:05:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5264dD24003; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 02:04:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 02:04:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:04:37 -0700 Subject: Re: live looping, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000f01c328b0$c592e740$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> Message-Id: <170F7F87-94C0-11D7-9425-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 07:43 PM, wrote: > So relax, maybe we can decide what STYLE, GENRE, LOOPING, LIVE LOOPING > is. > And tomorrow it will be different. I have a question: Why do any of you think that you can form a scene or define a term? These things happen organically over time, like any element of language. Try and invent a word. You might get some friends to use it, but it will probably take decades for it to gain any widespread usage. My wife said something really insightful this evening. She said, "how can you create a scene when you don't share a common location?" Sure, we have the internet, but I think a scene that has any real momentum starts when a bunch of people living in the same city or region develop an art form or style and all gather together to support each other. Part of a scene is that there's support, and I don't see much of that here. One SF area list member here has come to one of my shows in all the years on the list (No Will, you don't count!) and it's Jon El Bizri. Most of the people who do come to my shows are people who know me and/or have heard my mp3s. I'm not complaining, I'm not here for promotion. I'm hear for the conversation, which I don't invest in emotionally so when one of you disagrees with me I say, "welcome to my United States of whatever." When I was 5 I had a Welch's Grape Jelly Jar that had an Archie's cartoon on it. It was Reggie playing a guitar in a totally Funkadelic outfit complete with Bootsie glasses. Distorted notes flew from the guitar as the other characters stood around with their fingers in their ears. The caption read, "Reggie makes the scene." At that point I realized that you can't make a scene. Scene's form from hard work, a common interest and mutual support. It's totally possible that something does come out of all this, but typing about it isn't going to make it happen any faster. What Larry O wrote about in his article was true, but artificial. That event happens once a year. It's cool, but that scene is very transitory. When people go home it disappears. If things like that started happening every weekend (on a smaller scale of course) in SLO, or even better yet, in a bigger city like what happens in Open Loop in NYC, then we might have a scene. but I'd still want to call the scene "N.E.W." Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 02:08:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5267vl24339; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 02:07:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 02:07:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:07:55 -0700 Subject: PSP42 with Digital Performer (was Re: Mega compact looping rig) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030602041319.74401.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8D586BE0-94C0-11D7-9425-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I tried running the demo of PSP42 today and realized that although OSX, it's VST and doesn't work with DP4... although there's something in the instructions that mentions putting MAS plugins in the appropreate folder, I could see no way of installing a MAS version. Am I missing something? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 02:24:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h526NCU25569; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 02:23:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 02:23:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8D586BE0-94C0-11D7-9425-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <8D586BE0-94C0-11D7-9425-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:23:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: PSP42 with Digital Performer (was Re: Mega compact looping rig) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:07 PM -0700 6/1/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I tried running the demo of PSP42 today and realized that although >OSX, it's VST and doesn't work with DP4... although there's >something in the instructions that mentions putting MAS plugins in >the appropreate folder, I could see no way of installing a MAS >version. Am I missing something? PSP 42 and PSP 84 aren't available in MAS versions. Other PSP plug-ins are. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 03:55:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h527qcY32121; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 03:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 03:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:52:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: You are right Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9s4MC.A.x1H.GJw2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if Live Looping is just defined by the tool... Why would I want to make an effort to represent any strange guy that does any ugly, tense, agressive, sick or nervous music, just because he bought a certain machine?? I want to be exclusive yes. I want to be with people that create stuff that I admire and makes me grow and I want to smile when I meet them and feel all kinds of emotions of living together... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 03:56:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h527rn032225; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 03:53:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 03:53:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Styles and looping Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:53:46 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000501c328dc$18551090$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030601222132.26641.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > I could identify > the music right away because it had a style and a > certain sound quality even without knowing what it was > called or what technology they were using to achieve > this.I think this is one of the problems with such a > broad term as looping, a lot of people are using it > nowdays without the public even knowing or caring > about it. This made me think about what the actual point in "Live-looping" is. As far as I see things, live-looping is something that happens live. You go to a live-looping show to se humans create music. You may not dig it because it sounds a certain way, you dig in because you see the guys building up the musical pieces step for step, loop for loop, and that makes you feel very unique, as you know by watching this happen that it will NEVER happen again in exactly the same way. Shit, you guys all think about live-looping "the old way" like some A&R checking out new talents for eventual further refining in the music business machinery. That's not the point as I see it. To me live-looping (as a social and commercial phenomenon) has more in common with shows like "a circus" or "a wrestling cup" than with "MTV and top 40". It's damn unique and it will never happen again if you don't go and check it out. Today this entertainment quality has become quite rare and I think modern people actually want it badly. You should have seen those CNN guys filming us here in Sweden! Matthias started out a beautiful guitar piece putting down layers of polyphonic distortion lines that sounded just like a classical string orchestra. Jaws dropped and people were just staring at the guy. A room full of TV professionals, dance music producers and label folks, all deeply moved by this thing called "live-looping" happening right before their eyes. The didn't listen to some "latest release to be filed under some specified sub genre". They were all having a unique experience right there! Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival, May 16 to June 4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 05:13:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h529Bxk05475; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:11:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 10:16:06 +0100 Subject: Re: PSP42 with Digital Performer (was Re: Mega compact looping rig) From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5AGXcC.A.aVB.fTx2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They do however seem to work perfectly with the vst wrapper in OS9. Although I haven't tested the automation yet. Still using D.P. 2.7 as I haven't seem a worthwhile reason for upgrading yet. G on 2/6/03 7:23 am, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 11:07 PM -0700 6/1/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> I tried running the demo of PSP42 today and realized that although >> OSX, it's VST and doesn't work with DP4... although there's >> something in the instructions that mentions putting MAS plugins in >> the appropreate folder, I could see no way of installing a MAS >> version. Am I missing something? > > PSP 42 and PSP 84 aren't available in MAS versions. Other PSP plug-ins are. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 08:45:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52CePC21184; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:40:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:40:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030602124019.23747.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: livelooping.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008001c328af$31607a20$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David wrote: > Case in point: my brother has been webmaster for the > King Crimson, DGM and Elephant-Talk websites for the > oodle of years. I'd always wondered if you'se guys were related; now we know! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 08:47:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52ChYe21439; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:43:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030602124328.72666.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: dead looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EDAB90E.6B7940DC@tapehissrecordings.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Scott Carr wrote: > Dead Looping is when it's Goth. Or if a certain newly-regrouped San Francisco group takes up looping... (Although Trey Anastasio's Boomerang usage may in some ways already qualify...) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 09:19:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52DHQD24493; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:17:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:17:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Tritone3@aol.com Message-ID: <68.310f565c.2c0ca856@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:17:10 EDT Subject: Echoplex Level Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_68.310f565c.2c0ca856_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_68.310f565c.2c0ca856_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a question regarding the use of two Echoplexes in an extensive guitar rig (Mesa Boogie Tri-Axis/Simul 2:90, TC Electronic G-Force, Etc.) . I am running two Echoplexes because my guitar rig is stereo. My question is this: Has anyone had a problem with guitar signal loss (volume and bottom end) when running through Echoplexes? My volume drops by 30% or more when I run through my Echoplexes. And my bottom end (bass) frequencies are drastically reduced. If I reduce the volume input or output on the Echoplexes my signal gains out. As soon as they're removed from the signal path my levels and tone are fine. I have tried different locations in my signal path and still have the same problems. I've even tried a mixer to no avail. While I like the functionality of the Echoplexes, I do not want to sacrifice so much of my tone in order to use them. Thanks for any suggestions or help you can offer. --part1_68.310f565c.2c0ca856_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a question regarding t= he use of two Echoplexes in an extensive guitar rig (Mesa Boogie Tri-Axis/Si= mul 2:90, TC Electronic G-Force, Etc.) . I am running two Echoplexes because= my guitar rig is stereo. My question is this:
Has anyone had a problem with guitar signal loss (volume and bottom end) whe= n running through Echoplexes? My volume drops by 30% or more when I run thro= ugh my Echoplexes. And my bottom end (bass) frequencies are drastically redu= ced. If I reduce the volume input or output on the Echoplexes my signal gain= s out. As soon as they're removed from the signal path my levels and tone ar= e fine. I have tried different locations in my signal path and still have th= e same problems. I've even tried a mixer to no avail. While I like the funct= ionality of the Echoplexes, I do not want to sacrifice so much of my tone in= order to use them.
Thanks for any suggestions or help you can offer. --part1_68.310f565c.2c0ca856_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 09:38:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52DasK26395; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:36:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:36:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030602133648.89726.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: live looping, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <170F7F87-94C0-11D7-9425-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > My wife said something really insightful this > evening. She said, "how can you create a scene when > you don't share a common location?" You might be underestimating the Internet's role AS a common location, maybe, possibly. Case in point: yesterday, by sheer chance I ran into another listmember. (I live in Maine, he lives in Massachusetts, we ran into each other in New Hampshire.) Sure, it's only a 30-mile circle, but read on... The only reason we recognized each other is because we've both performed in events specifically billed as Looping Festivals, although there is quite a difference in our musical styles, even though we both sometimes use eBows and the same brand of lap steel bar. As part of our conversation, I made an oblique reference to a comment made by another listmember (a formerly green-haired gentleman who lives 3,000 miles away who also organizes and performs in Loop-specific events) regarding an all-percussion CD (with heavy loop content) that we just completed; he (the once-green-haired one) observed that he thinks it will appeal to others besides percussionists. When I relayed the comment, I didn't need to explain the joke. In the 'old days' musicians met and networked in physical locations. But now, for me at least, much of the introductory stage happens online; I've met many listmembers at events I wouldn't have known about without LD. (The Ought-1 festival, David Kirkdoffer's Boston Loopers Collective events, the Council for Sonic Decadence's 'Sonic Blender', et cetera.) There are also countless recording projects on which the musicians have never met in person. I enjoyed Larry the O's EM piece. Here's another one that talks about a loopcentric online community; it's a little dated, but a lot of it is still relevant: -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 10:12:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52EA1R29471; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.208.66.88] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:08:37 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: You are right X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030602.100854.10743.43970@webmail01.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why would I want to make an effort to represent any strange guy that does any ugly, tense, agressive, sick or nervous music, just because he bought a certain machine?? I agree here, I would not want to be associated with some styles of music just because I do not play them and it would be inaccurate! I want to be exclusive yes. I want to be with people that create stuff that I admire and makes me grow and I want to smile when I meet them and feel all kinds of emotions of living together... Once again I agree. I feel this way too but cannot coin a term that says that in one word. I feel that it's God's music (or whoever one believes the great creator is) and it just comes out of my subcontiousness when I create. (Sometimes God is with me and other times I'm not so sure, lol) Anyway I doubt this helps in coming up with anything new.... Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 10:12:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52EBcR29778; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:11:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:11:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054562947!10556 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB0E3@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:07:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32910.5F2D5D90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32910.5F2D5D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" do analogue sequencers qualify? (I nearly put "count" there....) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32910.5F2D5D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"?

do analogue sequencers qualify? (I nearly put "count" there....)

duncan.



***************************************************************************
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************
 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32910.5F2D5D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 11:28:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52FQLM04773; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:26:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:28:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Is looping a tool or a style? From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306012227.h51MRpv09934@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have been following discussion of whether looping is a style or a tool and thought I'd throw my 2 cents in -- In my own solo shows using vocals, synths and an edp, I consider the edp as a tool to help me present the music I want to present -- I may mention the use of a looper in publicity but don't stress it. I'm more interested in presenting myself as a singer/shaman/composer. A few people usually come up after a set and want to know how I'm doing what I'm doing, and it's always fun to share my tools with them. But at home I do sometimes do what I consider "looping music" -- it's close to what Matthias writes about, a kind of putting myself into a comforting sonic trance state where things are fading in and out, and the point isn't so much a performance for others to listen to but a way for me to get in touch with other areas of myself that tend to get buried in the daily mental static -- not to say that this music isn't worthy of being presented in concert, I just tend to go another direction in live performance -- cheers~! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 11:51:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52FkZI06864; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:46:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:46:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c3291e$7d1fce60$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <68.310f565c.2c0ca856@aol.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex Level Question Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:49:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C328FC.F5A1D800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.149.174.171] at Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:46:27 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C328FC.F5A1D800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have 2 EDP's in my rig (at the end of the signal chain, but just = before some compression), for a stereo set up and I have no loss of tone = or signal. I have the inputs set to around 9-o'clock and the outputs = set all the way up. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tritone3@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Echoplex Level Question I have a question regarding the use of two Echoplexes in an extensive = guitar rig (Mesa Boogie Tri-Axis/Simul 2:90, TC Electronic G-Force, = Etc.) . I am running two Echoplexes because my guitar rig is stereo. My = question is this: Has anyone had a problem with guitar signal loss (volume and bottom = end) when running through Echoplexes? My volume drops by 30% or more = when I run through my Echoplexes. And my bottom end (bass) frequencies = are drastically reduced. If I reduce the volume input or output on the = Echoplexes my signal gains out. As soon as they're removed from the = signal path my levels and tone are fine. I have tried different = locations in my signal path and still have the same problems. I've even = tried a mixer to no avail. While I like the functionality of the = Echoplexes, I do not want to sacrifice so much of my tone in order to = use them. Thanks for any suggestions or help you can offer. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C328FC.F5A1D800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have 2 EDP's in my rig (at the end of = the signal=20 chain, but just before some compression), for a stereo set up and I have = no loss=20 of tone or signal.  I have the inputs set to around 9-o'clock and = the=20 outputs set all the way up.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tritone3@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 = 9:17 AM
Subject: Echoplex Level = Question

I have a question regarding = the use of two=20 Echoplexes in an extensive guitar rig (Mesa Boogie Tri-Axis/Simul = 2:90, TC=20 Electronic G-Force, Etc.) . I am running two Echoplexes because my = guitar rig=20 is stereo. My question is this:
Has anyone had a problem with = guitar signal=20 loss (volume and bottom end) when running through Echoplexes? My = volume drops=20 by 30% or more when I run through my Echoplexes. And my bottom end = (bass)=20 frequencies are drastically reduced. If I reduce the volume input or = output on=20 the Echoplexes my signal gains out. As soon as they're removed from = the signal=20 path my levels and tone are fine. I have tried different locations in = my=20 signal path and still have the same problems. I've even tried a mixer = to no=20 avail. While I like the functionality of the Echoplexes, I do not want = to=20 sacrifice so much of my tone in order to use them.
Thanks for any=20 suggestions or help you can offer. = ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C328FC.F5A1D800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 11:51:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52FnuB07191; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:49:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:49:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: derivative websites (loopwhatever.com) From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-11) Date: 02 Jun 2003 12:20:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1054570817.28455.88.camel@bilbo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, Not sure why I'm going to jump in on this. I must be feeling antagonistic today :). I agree with the notion that the LD website is and should be the definitive Looping portal. That would be hard to dispute. However, I disagree that derivative sites are harmful or divisive. Humans seem to like putting systematic boxes around things in order to make big concepts easier to grasp. I'm of the general opinion that this is a bad thing, but I am content with the idea that people will do it anyways. Creating a site that takes an aspect of a greater work/genre/whatever and focuses on that, while limited, may make the whole concept more approachable for the uninitiated. In every looping concept that I have performed in or helped produce. There have been audience members who just so happened to show up. It seems once they experience the music, they get it; but lengthy, gear-headed ramblings would not have achieved the same effect. Remember that part of the music life cycle is consumption. I got some criticism a little while ago for creating a list called boston-loopers@randomsalt.com that was for New England based performers to network. The list is small and has little traffic, but that is fine. Some of the folks on the list are not on this one because the traffic is too high. In general I am a more organic guy, so I like to make human contact with people. I like to find other local loopers, make friends with them, make music with them, go to parties and shows with them, take them sailing, whatever. The point being that it is FUN to do stuff with people that you like and can easily connect with. It can also be very enriching academically. I would have trouble believing that my local pursuits could have a negative effect on the global community. If anything, they are beneficial. Thus I come back to my point (IMAGINE!!!). Derivatives cannot surpass the definitive due to the narrowness of their scope; so let people announce their other websites, mailing lists, and other activities here without prejudice. All proselytical efforts contribute to the whole, ultimately. Warm regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 12:33:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52GS1E11881; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:28:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:28:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Echoplex Level Question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1045329712 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004501c3291e$7d1fce60$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <2DCB0819-9517-11D7-A07C-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--1045329712 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Be careful here. The input settings and the levels in general depend on=20= the vintage of the EDP and whether they have had the input/output level mod applied=20= (see the FAQ at Loopers Delight). Newer EDPs already have the mod, which=20 de-sensitizes the input and boosts the output. Older EDPs have a wildly sensitive=20 (read "easy to cause clipping and distortion") input. I have (as yet) un-modded older=20= EDPs which take a little work to adjust correctly (in stereo) to get minimal=20 signal loss with no distortion (clipping at the inputs). I don't use them with a guitar (I=20= use synths and piezo outfitted gongs) so I can't address signal loss in that case, but=20= there seems to be a little loss in my setup (I run a sub-mix out of my Mackie into=20= the EDPs and then feed the outputs into a stereo input on the main bus of the=20 Mackie). On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 10:49 AM, David wrote: > I have 2 EDP's in my rig (at the end of the signal chain, but just=20 > before some compression), for a stereo set up and I have no loss of=20 > tone or signal.=A0 I have the inputs set to around 9-o'clock and the=20= > outputs set all the way up. > =A0 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tritone3@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:17 AM > Subject: Echoplex Level Question > > I have a question regarding the use of two Echoplexes in an extensive=20= > guitar rig (Mesa Boogie Tri-Axis/Simul 2:90, TC Electronic G-Force,=20 > Etc.) . I am running two Echoplexes because my guitar rig is stereo.=20= > My question is this: > Has anyone had a problem with guitar signal loss (volume and bottom=20 > end) when running through Echoplexes? My volume drops by 30% or more=20= > when I run through my Echoplexes. And my bottom end (bass) frequencies=20= > are drastically reduced. If I reduce the volume input or output on the=20= > Echoplexes my signal gains out. As soon as they're removed from the=20 > signal path my levels and tone are fine. I have tried different=20 > locations in my signal path and still have the same problems. I've=20 > even tried a mixer to no avail. While I like the functionality of the=20= > Echoplexes, I do not want to sacrifice so much of my tone in order to=20= > use them. > Thanks for any suggestions or help you can offer. > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-2--1045329712 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Be careful here. The input settings and the levels in general depend on the vintage of the EDP and whether they have had the input/output level mod applied (see the FAQ at Loopers Delight). Newer EDPs already have the mod, which de-sensitizes the input and boosts the output. Older EDPs have a wildly sensitive (read "easy to cause clipping and distortion") input. I have (as yet) un-modded older EDPs which take a little work to adjust correctly (in stereo) to get minimal signal loss with no distortion (clipping at the inputs). I don't use them with a guitar (I use synths and piezo outfitted gongs) so I can't address signal loss in that case, but there seems to be a little loss in my setup (I run a sub-mix out of my Mackie into the EDPs and then feed the outputs into a stereo input on the main bus of the Mackie). On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 10:49 AM, David wrote: ArialI have 2 EDP's in my rig (at the end of the signal chain, but just before some compression), for a stereo set up and I have no loss of tone or signal.=A0 I have the inputs set to around 9-o'clock and the outputs set all the way up. =A0 ----- Original Message ----- From: = 1999,1999,FFFFTritone3@aol.com To: = 1999,1999,FFFFLoopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Echoplex Level Question Times New = Roman0000,0000,8080I have a question regarding the use of two Echoplexes in an extensive guitar rig (Mesa Boogie Tri-Axis/Simul 2:90, TC Electronic G-Force, Etc.) . I am running two Echoplexes because my guitar rig is stereo. My question is this: Has anyone had a problem with guitar signal loss (volume and bottom end) when running through Echoplexes? My volume drops by 30% or more when I run through my Echoplexes. And my bottom end (bass) frequencies are drastically reduced. If I reduce the volume input or output on the Echoplexes my signal gains out. As soon as they're removed from the signal path my levels and tone are fine. I have tried different locations in my signal path and still have the same problems. I've even tried a mixer to no avail. While I like the functionality of the Echoplexes, I do not want to sacrifice so much of my tone in order to use them. Thanks for any suggestions or help you can offer. -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-2--1045329712-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 12:48:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52GjvL13892; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:45:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:45:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:44:00 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: My farewell point of view In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <019f01c32926$2b691970$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > .... so I'm giving up guys and bowing out. please don't. i appreciate your music and your presence here. i have noticed a strange pattern. people who want "togetherness" "community" etc. getting offended by people who think differently and leaving. isn't this the ultimate irony? if we want to live together, (and i think our survival depends on wanting this) we have to learn how to disagree. we have to quit expecting everyone to be the same. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 12:50:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52Gmh714291; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:48:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:48:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:48:36 -0700 Subject: Let's cause a scene! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1054570817.28455.88.camel@bilbo> Message-Id: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <8aq5_C.A.IfD.r_32-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 09:20 AM, Jeffrey Lomas wrote: > I like to find other local loopers, make friends with them, make music > with them, go to parties and shows with them, take them sailing, > whatever. The point being that it is FUN to do stuff with people that > you like and can easily connect with. It can also be very enriching > academically. I would have trouble believing that my local pursuits > could have a negative effect on the global community. If anything, > they are beneficial. I agree that if a global scene is going to exist, many smaller local scenes will have to exist as well. I think you're totally on the right track. I'm totally guilty of not doing anything to promote SF area loopers in a performance or friendly relationship. I'm a loner Dotty! It's weird because I live close to both Kim Flint, Gary O and Gary Hall and I like them. I've jammed with Jon El Bizri and Jon Wagner a number of times and that's been fun as well... it just seems that we're all very busy. Is part of our problem that we tend to be a solitary bunch? I know I came into looping in a more heavy way upon loosing my band. (drummer joined a country act for cash. Do you know a sadder tale?) I have a ragtag bunch of friends who meet every friday night for coffee. Our bond is fairly loose, but a majority of us are artists of some kind. It's been going for a while and now starts to feel like "family." Perhaps we SF area loopers can start something like this? If every major town tried to get something like this going... maybe it could be big. I totally disagree with the fact that the internet can act as community. To a small degree it can, and it does help people get together, but the key is to get together. (I met my wife on the internet doing a search on Brian Eno!) I think the internet is good at augmenting social groups, but not a replacement or alternative to them. So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a centrally located spot and just get together for coffee or some beer? Let's cause a scene! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 13:31:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52HTrN19970; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:29:49 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: dead looping In-reply-to: <3EDAB90E.6B7940DC@tapehissrecordings.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01a901c3292c$91b58c80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8qr3pD.A.53E.Qm42-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dammit. you are trying to exclude people who loop grateful dead records. shame on you! > > > Dead Looping is when it's Goth. > > ;) > > Scott > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 13:33:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52HWRl20274; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:32:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:32:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.1253f537.2c0ce421@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:32:17 EDT Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7b.1253f537.2c0ce421_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7b.1253f537.2c0ce421_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well......................... Any other loopers in Montana? ;) Regards, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.9andZen.com www.BEEbasses.com --part1_7b.1253f537.2c0ce421_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well.........................

Any other loopers in Montana? ;)

Regards,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.9andZen.com
www.BEEbasses.com --part1_7b.1253f537.2c0ce421_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 13:46:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52HiZY21715; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:44:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:44:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:44:38 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? In-reply-to: <70CE8F9D-9354-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ae01c3292e$a3dfbf50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h52HiZB21691 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think we can learn a lot from this bit of dialog from wkrp: Blood: I got a degree in cello from the Royal Academy. Venus: Oh yeah? Blood: I don't play much anymore. You can't get thousands of screaming teenaged girls to come to a cello recital now, can you? And we rather like teenaged girls! Blood: Punk rock is passé. We play hoodlum rock. It's several cuts below punk rock. Venus: What's the difference? Blood: Well, first of all, punk rock groups dress deplorably. And secondly, they don't usually physically attack their audiences. Venus: And you dudes do. Nigel: Come to the show and find out. Dog: We don't like audiences. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 13:54:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52Hl1b22029; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:47:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:47:26 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Let's cause a scene! (Raleigh NC, USA) In-Reply-To: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <14UZ4B.A.DYF.V242-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, mark wrote: [big snip for brevity's sake] > So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a > centrally located spot and just get together for coffee or some beer? > Let's cause a scene! Anyone on this list already in, newly arrived, or just passing through the Raleigh/Research Triangle Park area of North Carolina is welcome to contact me for get-togethers, chats, or jam sessions (perhaps off-list to avoid overly cluttering the list). I'm here, let's play. best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 14:42:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52IceT28875; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030602183833.60514.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! (scroll down for survey question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > > I totally disagree with the fact that the internet > can act as community. How can you disagree with a "fact"? ;-) (Sorry; I know what you mean, but the momentum from that semantics thread keeps a'rollin'!) Hmmm, I think it *almost* can, but to be more accurate, I should have said something like "Online communications are an increasingly important factor in 21st-century notions of community". I never intended to imply that it *replaces* person-to-person interaction, and even gave examples of how the Internet, in my case, has led to meeting (in person) looping musicians from faraway places whom I never would have met otherwise. And even in the case of friends who live closer, the schedules and logistics of real life make communication by e-mail much more common than actually getting together. I have friends with whom I'd lost contact over the years but now correspond with pretty regularly online; if it weren't for email, there wouldn't be much communication there at all. I know we wouldn't be buying stamps or paying huge long distance phone bills. It's still better to get together in person, of course, but that's not always practical (and when it is, the details are usually worked out via email.) > To a small degree it can, and it does help people >get together, but the key is to get together. Sure, ultimately. Our disagreement there is just a matter of degree. > (I met my wife on the internet doing a search on >Brian Eno!) In a weird sequence of events, it was indirectly because of Looper's Delight that I met my girlfriend: in the early '90's, there was a pretty good music 'scene' in my area (Portland, ME to Boston, cenetered on Portsmouth, NH) and I was a member of one of the better-known bands in that scene. Then I burned out on it and dropped out of it for a few years. Of course, I couldn't stop doing music completely, and after a while, I'd discovered LD, got involved with the Chain Tape Collective, and gradually started performing again. Because of the recognition factor of my previous band, I got some press regarding my "new" direction (which was ironically what I'd already been doing for years before my higher-profile gig), and got a call to do some live-loop-based session work, essentially being asked to do a David Torn impersonation for a project featuring a Celtic/World-influenced vocalist. She and I became the best of friends (and she was a listmember for a while) and the rest is history. Wouldn't have happened that way without the Internet, though. >I think the internet is good at augmenting social >groups, but not a replacement or alternative to them. No, I don't think it replaces them either, but it can sure be instrumental in strengthening them, particularly when it comes to bringing together people with non-mainstream interests from a wider geographical area than would otherwise be the case. ************************************************** How many people have as a result of being on the Looper's Delight mailing list have: 1) Gotten gigs you wouldn't otherwise have gotten? 2) Travelled to and/or performed at an event planned/described on-list? (eg. Loopstock, one of Rick Walker's events, etc.) 3) Socialized and/or collaborated with other listmembers? 4) Influenced musicians you already knew to become listmembers or take up looping? 5) Met your significant other? In my case, I'm five for five; I'd say LD's been a pretty significant part of my concept of 'community'. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 14:55:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52Ir7D30448; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:53:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040a01c3296a$1e160e60$cfa44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <68.310f565c.2c0ca856@aol.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex Level Question Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 01:50:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0407_01C32972.79236840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0407_01C32972.79236840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ah, the old "level" quandry rears is ugly (but surmountable) head yet = again. =20 you have two options as far as i see it: find the sweet spot with the mix knob, input and output. takes a little = time and some close observation. nonetheless, having to set your mix = around 50% will effectively cut your signal down. the solution: feed and bypass the edp simultaneously. that way you can = set your mix at 100% and the bypassed signal is still 100%. personally, = my settings are as follows:=20 input: 10 o'clock output: 3 o'clock mix: 100% feedback: 100% i've found this to be the best solution for working around the edp and = getting it seamlessly integrated into you system. as well, i have two = edps purchased within the same year and probably built at roughly the = same time (haven't checked the serial to be sure) and the inputs on each = have to be set slightly different in order to be even...little changes = from build to build, apparently. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0407_01C32972.79236840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ah, the old "level" quandry rears is ugly (but = surmountable)=20 head yet again. 
 
you have two options as far as i see = it:
 
find the sweet spot with the mix knob, input and = output. =20 takes a little time and some close observation.  nonetheless, = having to set=20 your mix around 50% will effectively cut your signal down.
 
the solution: feed and bypass the edp = simultaneously. =20 that way you can set your mix at 100% and the bypassed signal is still=20 100%.  personally, my settings are as follows:
 
input: 10 o'clock
output: 3 o'clock
mix: 100%
feedback: 100%
 
i've found this to be the best solution for working = around the=20 edp and getting it seamlessly integrated into you system.  as well, = i have=20 two edps purchased within the same year and probably built at roughly = the same=20 time (haven't checked the serial to be sure) and the inputs on each have = to be=20 set slightly different in order to be even...little changes from build = to build,=20 apparently.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0407_01C32972.79236840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 15:06:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52J1Fc31292; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:01:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:01:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030602190109.55579.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:01:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echoplex Level Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <040a01c3296a$1e160e60$cfa44a43@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-2kLBD.A.zoH.7752-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jimfowler wrote: > the solution: feed and bypass the edp > simultaneously. How? Do you use a splitter? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 15:27:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52JLES00930; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:20:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01ae01c3292e$a3dfbf50$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is just not true! teenage girls love cello rock > Blood: I don't play much anymore. You can't get thousands of screaming > teenaged girls to come to a cello recital now, can you? And > we rather like teenaged girls! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 15:30:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52JSn801859; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:28:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:28:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:28:07 -0700 Subject: Syncing Two Repeaters From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c328dc$18551090$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently started working with another repeater-enhanced musician. We would like to sync the tempos of our repeaters, but nothing else. When I hooked up my repeater to be the master, we discovered: when I changed the track volume on mine, her track volume was also altered; when I pressed stop, hers stopped; and so on through most of the midi functions I was accessing with my feet. I haven't been able to find it in the manual, but surely there must be a way to have ONLY the tempo of one repeater be controlled by another (please, please, please!!) ? Had anyone tried this? thanks much, zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 15:32:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52JTcn01979; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:29:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200306021529.AA237633670@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Blood: I don't play much anymore. You can't get thousands of screaming teenaged girls to come to a cello recital now, can you? And >we rather like teenaged girls! > You obviously have never seen Rasputina. My lotsa cello project, Intonarumori, doesn't draw the teenage girls, but I'm sure all that will change once I lose some weight and bleach my hair :) Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 15:37:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52JYpp02609; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:34:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:34:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:34:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! (scroll down for survey question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030602183833.60514.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <41AC096B-9531-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: >> I think the internet is good at augmenting social >> groups, but not a replacement or alternative to them. > > No, I don't think it replaces them either, but it can > sure be instrumental in strengthening them, > particularly when it comes to bringing together people > with non-mainstream interests from a wider > geographical area than would otherwise be the case. Exactly, I think we totally agree on this "fact" (I used to have a friend who'd say "the difference between your opinion and my opinion is that mine is based on fact!") I also think as things progress human interaction via computers will come closer to physical proximity, similar to the way a phone conversation can add another level of communication with vocal inflections. > How many people have as a result of being on the > Looper's Delight mailing list have: > 1) Gotten gigs you wouldn't otherwise have gotten? One that I can remember. > 2) Travelled to and/or performed at an event > planned/described on-list? (eg. Loopstock, one of > Rick Walker's events, etc.) Yes, I've found out about a bunch of these here. > 3) Socialized and/or collaborated with other > listmembers? I have, but not all that frequently. Under 5 times since I joined this list in 1994. Local word of mouth has worked way better. > 4) Influenced musicians you already knew to become > listmembers or take up looping? I gave out the LD site address to everyone who inquired about my Repeater that I sold recently. Not sure if any have joined because of me. > 5) Met your significant other? If you were a woman trolling for music geeks, this would be the place! > In my case, I'm five for five; I'd say LD's been a > pretty significant part of my concept of 'community'. No one here would deny that it's not a good tool for communication, but I think our community could use a bit of time out of the Matrix. Just my thoughts... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 15:40:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52Jbh802904; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:37:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:37:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:37:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Syncing Two Repeaters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All you have to do is put them on different MIDI channels and you won't have this issue... However, you'll have another issue. While the Repeater is great for syncing to a MIDI clock, it's own clock out SUCKS. You may not be able to do it at all. It's one of the Repeater's most serious flaws, in my opinion. When I do this, I use some sort of 3rd unit as the source of clock, such as a drum machine. Then it works fine. Good luck, Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > I recently started working with another repeater-enhanced musician. We > would > like to sync the tempos of our repeaters, but nothing else. When I > hooked up > my repeater to be the master, we discovered: when I changed the track > volume > on mine, her track volume was also altered; when I pressed stop, hers > stopped; and so on through most of the midi functions I was accessing > with > my feet. > > I haven't been able to find it in the manual, but surely there must be > a way > to have ONLY the tempo of one repeater be controlled by another > (please, > please, please!!) ? > > Had anyone tried this? > > thanks much, zoe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 15:55:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52JqPn04669; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:52:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:52:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:51:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Syncing Two Repeaters From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ah...midi channels. right. thank you! what are the issues you've had with the clock out? i noticed that my friend's repeater was showing the same BPM and her loop had the same starting point as mine, which is all we wanted at the time, besides a cup of tea (but i haven't figured out the CC# for that yet). > From: mark > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:37:37 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Syncing Two Repeaters > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:37:43 -0400 > > All you have to do is put them on different MIDI channels and you won't > have this issue... > > However, you'll have another issue. While the Repeater is great for > syncing to a MIDI clock, it's own clock out SUCKS. You may not be able > to do it at all. It's one of the Repeater's most serious flaws, in my > opinion. When I do this, I use some sort of 3rd unit as the source of > clock, such as a drum machine. Then it works fine. > > Good luck, > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > >> I recently started working with another repeater-enhanced musician. We >> would >> like to sync the tempos of our repeaters, but nothing else. When I >> hooked up >> my repeater to be the master, we discovered: when I changed the track >> volume >> on mine, her track volume was also altered; when I pressed stop, hers >> stopped; and so on through most of the midi functions I was accessing >> with >> my feet. >> >> I haven't been able to find it in the manual, but surely there must be >> a way >> to have ONLY the tempo of one repeater be controlled by another >> (please, >> please, please!!) ? >> >> Had anyone tried this? >> >> thanks much, zoe >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 16:02:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52K0F705526; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:00:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:00:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:57:58 -0400 Subject: Re: live looping, etc. From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <170F7F87-94C0-11D7-9425-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3137414278_127721_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <44952.A.OWB.Pz62-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3137414278_127721_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I remember that Archie cartoon. Thanks for making me smile. on 6/2/03 2:04 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 07:43 PM, wrote: > So relax, maybe we can decide what STYLE, GENRE, LOOPING, LIVE LOOPING > is. > And tomorrow it will be different. I have a question: Why do any of you think that you can form a scene or define a term? These things happen organically over time, like any element of language. Try and invent a word. You might get some friends to use it, but it will probably take decades for it to gain any widespread usage. My wife said something really insightful this evening. She said, "how can you create a scene when you don't share a common location?" Sure, we have the internet, but I think a scene that has any real momentum starts when a bunch of people living in the same city or region develop an art form or style and all gather together to support each other. Part of a scene is that there's support, and I don't see much of that here. One SF area list member here has come to one of my shows in all the years on the list (No Will, you don't count!) and it's Jon El Bizri. Most of the people who do come to my shows are people who know me and/or have heard my mp3s. I'm not complaining, I'm not here for promotion. I'm hear for the conversation, which I don't invest in emotionally so when one of you disagrees with me I say, "welcome to my United States of whatever." When I was 5 I had a Welch's Grape Jelly Jar that had an Archie's cartoon on it. It was Reggie playing a guitar in a totally Funkadelic outfit complete with Bootsie glasses. Distorted notes flew from the guitar as the other characters stood around with their fingers in their ears. The caption read, "Reggie makes the scene." At that point I realized that you can't make a scene. Scene's form from hard work, a common interest and mutual support. It's totally possible that something does come out of all this, but typing about it isn't going to make it happen any faster. What Larry O wrote about in his article was true, but artificial. That event happens once a year. It's cool, but that scene is very transitory. When people go home it disappears. If things like that started happening every weekend (on a smaller scale of course) in SLO, or even better yet, in a bigger city like what happens in Open Loop in NYC, then we might have a scene. but I'd still want to call the scene "N.E.W." Mark Sottilaro --MS_Mac_OE_3137414278_127721_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: live looping, etc. I remember that Archie cartoon. Thanks for making me smile.



on 6/2/03 2:04 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:

On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 07:43 PM, <dennis@mail.worldserv= er.com>
wrote:

> So relax, maybe we can decide what STYLE, GENRE, LOOPING, LIVE LOOPING=
> is.
> And tomorrow it will be different.

I have a question: Why do any of you think that you can form a scene or define a term?  These things happen organically over time, like any element of language.  Try and invent a word.  You might get some =
friends to use it, but it will probably take decades for it to gain any widespread usage.

My wife said something really insightful this evening.  She said, &quo= t;how
can you create a scene when you don't share a common location?"  = Sure,
we have the internet, but I think a scene that has any real momentum
starts when a bunch of people living in the same city or region develop an art form or style and all gather together to support each other.  <= BR> Part of a scene is that there's support, and I don't see much of that
here.  One SF area list member here has come to one of my shows in all=
the years on the list (No Will, you don't count!) and it's Jon El
Bizri.  Most of the people who do come to my shows are people who know=
me and/or have heard my mp3s.  I'm not complaining, I'm not here for <= BR> promotion.  I'm hear for the conversation, which I don't invest in emotionally so when one of you disagrees with me I say, "welcome to my=
United States of whatever."

When I was 5 I had a Welch's Grape Jelly Jar that had an Archie's
cartoon on it.  It was Reggie playing a guitar in a totally Funkadelic=
outfit complete with Bootsie glasses.  Distorted notes flew from the <= BR> guitar as the other characters stood around with their fingers in their ears.  The caption read, "Reggie makes the scene."  At = that point I
realized that you can't make a scene.  Scene's form from hard work, a =
common interest and mutual support.  It's totally possible that
something does come out of all this, but typing about it isn't going to make it happen any faster.  What Larry O wrote about in his article wa= s
true, but artificial.  That event happens once a year.  It's cool= , but
that scene is very transitory.  When people go home it disappears. &nb= sp;If
things like that started happening every weekend (on a smaller scale of course) in SLO, or even better yet, in a bigger city like what happens
in Open Loop in NYC, then we might have a scene.

but I'd still want to call the scene "N.E.W."

Mark Sottilaro


--MS_Mac_OE_3137414278_127721_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 16:18:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52KBqX06798; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:11:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:11:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <187.1aa7703c.2c0d097f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:11:43 EDT Subject: Re: live looping, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_187.1aa7703c.2c0d097f_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <0wzm3C.A.FqB.I-62-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_187.1aa7703c.2c0d097f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/03 9:37:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > http://www.fosters.com/showcase/issues01/jan/04/cov_0104a_01.htm thanks tim.....michael --part1_187.1aa7703c.2c0d097f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/2/03= 9:37:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


http://www.fosters.com/showcase= /issues01/jan/04/cov_0104a_01.htm


thanks tim.....michael --part1_187.1aa7703c.2c0d097f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 16:30:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52KR9Q08389; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:27:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:27:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:24:57 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Let's cause a scene! (scroll down for survey question) In-reply-to: <41AC096B-9531-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01cf01c32945$08eb33a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > Exactly, I think we totally agree on this "fact" (I used to have a > friend who'd say "the difference between your opinion and my > opinion is > that mine is based on fact!") >... i like that. an even better rebuttal is "that sounds like something adolph hitler would say" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 16:31:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52KUbu08996; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:30:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:30:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EDBB6B6.AF1AA10C@erols.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:42:31 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene!New Jersey! References: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark wrote: > On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 09:20 AM, Jeffrey Lomas wrote: > > I like to find other local loopers, make friends with them, make music > > with them, go to parties and shows with them, take them sailing, > > whatever. The point being that it is FUN to do stuff with people that > > you like and can easily connect with. It can also be very enriching > > academically. I would have trouble believing that my local pursuits > > could have a negative effect on the global community. If anything, > > they are beneficial. > > I agree that if a global scene is going to exist, many smaller local > scenes will have to exist as well. I think you're totally on the right > track. I'm totally guilty of not doing anything to promote SF area > loopers in a performance or friendly relationship. I'm a loner Dotty! > It's weird because I live close to both Kim Flint, Gary O and Gary Hall > and I like them. I've jammed with Jon El Bizri and Jon Wagner a number > of times and that's been fun as well... it just seems that we're all > very busy. > > Is part of our problem that we tend to be a solitary bunch? I know I > came into looping in a more heavy way upon loosing my band. (drummer > joined a country act for cash. Do you know a sadder tale?) I have a > ragtag bunch of friends who meet every friday night for coffee. Our > bond is fairly loose, but a majority of us are artists of some kind. > It's been going for a while and now starts to feel like "family." > Perhaps we SF area loopers can start something like this? If every > major town tried to get something like this going... maybe it could be > big. > > I totally disagree with the fact that the internet can act as > community. To a small degree it can, and it does help people get > together, but the key is to get together. (I met my wife on the > internet doing a search on Brian Eno!) I think the internet is good at > augmenting social groups, but not a replacement or alternative to them. > > So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a > centrally located spot and just get together for coffee or some beer? > Let's cause a scene! > > Mark Sottilaro I agree. I'm in New Jersey. If any New Jersey loopers would like to get together to chat over coffee or beer on some sort of semi-regular basis, I'm totally up for it. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 16:48:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52Kjbl10483; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:45:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:45:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:45:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Syncing Two Repeaters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2662D1D5-953B-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com to be honest, I've never tried to get two Repeaters synced from each other. I have tried to get various digital delays synced off the Repeater's clock and I'll always get a weird glitch at the loop point. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 12:51 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > ah...midi channels. right. thank you! > > what are the issues you've had with the clock out? i noticed that my > friend's repeater was showing the same BPM and her loop had the same > starting point as mine, which is all we wanted at the time, besides a > cup of > tea (but i haven't figured out the CC# for that yet). > > > > >> From: mark >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:37:37 -0700 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Syncing Two Repeaters >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:37:43 -0400 >> >> All you have to do is put them on different MIDI channels and you >> won't >> have this issue... >> >> However, you'll have another issue. While the Repeater is great for >> syncing to a MIDI clock, it's own clock out SUCKS. You may not be >> able >> to do it at all. It's one of the Repeater's most serious flaws, in my >> opinion. When I do this, I use some sort of 3rd unit as the source of >> clock, such as a drum machine. Then it works fine. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: >> >>> I recently started working with another repeater-enhanced musician. >>> We >>> would >>> like to sync the tempos of our repeaters, but nothing else. When I >>> hooked up >>> my repeater to be the master, we discovered: when I changed the track >>> volume >>> on mine, her track volume was also altered; when I pressed stop, hers >>> stopped; and so on through most of the midi functions I was accessing >>> with >>> my feet. >>> >>> I haven't been able to find it in the manual, but surely there must >>> be >>> a way >>> to have ONLY the tempo of one repeater be controlled by another >>> (please, >>> please, please!!) ? >>> >>> Had anyone tried this? >>> >>> thanks much, zoe >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 17:19:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52LGJ513983; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:16:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:16:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2003 21:16:13.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[321CD6F0:01C3294C] Resent-Message-ID: <1qTyOB.A.XaD.j672-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm there! >So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a centrally >located spot and just get together for coffee or some beer? Let's cause a >scene! > >Mark Sottilaro > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 17:19:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52LDbf13675; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:13:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:13:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:13:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200306021713.AA201785504@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Syncing Two Repeaters X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com make sure that they aren't set to the same midi channel. Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Zoe Keating Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:28:07 -0700 >I recently started working with another repeater-enhanced musician. We would >like to sync the tempos of our repeaters, but nothing else. When I hooked up >my repeater to be the master, we discovered: when I changed the track volume >on mine, her track volume was also altered; when I pressed stop, hers >stopped; and so on through most of the midi functions I was accessing with >my feet. > >I haven't been able to find it in the manual, but surely there must be a way >to have ONLY the tempo of one repeater be controlled by another (please, >please, please!!) ? > >Had anyone tried this? > >thanks much, zoe > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 17:54:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52LlxS17879; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:47:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:47:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:47:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NICE! That makes two of us so far... wait... do you count? You're already my pal that I hang out with! I CALL SHANANIGAINS! When should we have the first SF Bay Area meeting of the N.E.W. Music club? How about every other thursday night? Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 02:16 PM, Will Wright wrote: > > I'm there! > >> So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a >> centrally located spot and just get together for coffee or some beer? >> Let's cause a scene! >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 18:16:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52MAH722592; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:10:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:10:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:10:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDBAC6C000001C9@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h52MAHB22568 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm committing to making the time for thinking about pondering how I can fit that in! hehe... Just say when and where... and speaking of 'where', what is centrally located 'tween Santa Cruz and Alameda? might I suggest Coffee Society in Cupertino? Or maybe something in Palo Alto? a microbrewery, if not a coffee house? anyone.. anyone.. bueler.. bueler... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:47:51 -0700 >Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! >From: mark >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >NICE! That makes two of us so far... wait... do you count? You're >already my pal that I hang out with! I CALL SHANANIGAINS! > >When should we have the first SF Bay Area meeting of the N.E.W. Music >club? How about every other thursday night? > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 02:16 PM, Will Wright wrote: > >> >> I'm there! >> >>> So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a >>> centrally located spot and just get together for coffee or some beer? > >>> Let's cause a scene! >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 18:56:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52MrS027518; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:53:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:53:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:57:36 +0100 Subject: More EDP sync problems From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <187.1aa7703c.2c0d097f@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ARGH! I have been trying to get my Akai MPC to sync to the midi clock of my edp loopIV that i have a pre-recorded loop I like on. However all is not going well. as the Mpc is not being triggered by the EDP. I have tested the mpc. When using logic (transmit midi clock) the mpc starts when i press play and reads the midi clock and then loops along in sync perfectly. Therefore the mpc is responding to midi sync fine. Okay so this leaves the edp. When i connect my EDP loop iv with sync set to out the mpc does nothing!! and if I press play on the mpc it simply plays the sequence at its original tempo and not the tempo of the edp. So how do you get a sequencer to sync to the edp when u have already recorded the loop before? How to you send a start sequence command to the mpc like what happens when i press play on logic. ARGHH! bizarrely if i connect up my loopIII edp and create a loop the mpc jumps into play and syncs beautifully. So how do you sync to a loop u recorded earlier???? This is driving me up the twist. At this rate i am gonna give up with the edps and use the psp42. Damm Damm damm I must be missing something obvious. Can anyone help??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 19:15:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52NDwT29418; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:13:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 00:18:06 +0100 Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It gets weirder I have just beat synced the two echoplex's and the mpc locks to the loopIII which is locked to the loopvi, why can't I just do it from the loopvi ?????????? Totally and utterly confused. geoff. on 2/6/03 11:57 pm, Geoff Smith at geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com wrote: > ARGH! > I have been trying to get my Akai MPC to sync to the midi clock of my edp > loopIV > that i have a pre-recorded loop I like on. > However all is not going well. > as the Mpc is not being triggered by the EDP. > > I have tested the mpc. > When using logic (transmit midi clock) the mpc starts when i press play and > reads the midi clock and then loops along in sync perfectly. Therefore the > mpc is responding to midi sync fine. > Okay so this leaves the edp. > When i connect my EDP loop iv with sync set to out the mpc does nothing!! > and if I press play on the mpc it simply plays the sequence at its original > tempo and not the tempo of the edp. So how do you get a sequencer to sync to > the edp when u have already recorded the loop before? > How to you send a start sequence command to the mpc like what happens when i > press play on logic. > ARGHH! > bizarrely if i connect up my loopIII edp and create a loop the mpc jumps > into play and syncs beautifully. So how do you sync to a loop u recorded > earlier???? > This is driving me up the twist. > > At this rate i am gonna give up with the edps and use the psp42. > Damm Damm damm > I must be missing something obvious. > Can anyone help??? > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 19:34:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52NX6e31401; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:33:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c3295f$4e5dade0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:32:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know it seems simple, but does Sync=Out on the LoopIV machine? It should, if you want the MPC to sync up to the EDP. Just checking. If it's not that - I'll leave it to Kim and the boys to help ya out. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Smith" To: Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems > It gets weirder I have just beat synced the two echoplex's and the mpc locks > to the loopIII which is locked to the loopvi, why can't I just do it from > the loopvi ?????????? > Totally and utterly confused. > geoff. > > on 2/6/03 11:57 pm, Geoff Smith at geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com wrote: > > > ARGH! > > I have been trying to get my Akai MPC to sync to the midi clock of my edp > > loopIV > > that i have a pre-recorded loop I like on. > > However all is not going well. > > as the Mpc is not being triggered by the EDP. > > > > I have tested the mpc. > > When using logic (transmit midi clock) the mpc starts when i press play and > > reads the midi clock and then loops along in sync perfectly. Therefore the > > mpc is responding to midi sync fine. > > Okay so this leaves the edp. > > When i connect my EDP loop iv with sync set to out the mpc does nothing!! > > and if I press play on the mpc it simply plays the sequence at its original > > tempo and not the tempo of the edp. So how do you get a sequencer to sync to > > the edp when u have already recorded the loop before? > > How to you send a start sequence command to the mpc like what happens when i > > press play on logic. > > ARGHH! > > bizarrely if i connect up my loopIII edp and create a loop the mpc jumps > > into play and syncs beautifully. So how do you sync to a loop u recorded > > earlier???? > > This is driving me up the twist. > > > > At this rate i am gonna give up with the edps and use the psp42. > > Damm Damm damm > > I must be missing something obvious. > > Can anyone help??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 19:40:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52NcZh32115; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c32960$111fc5c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:38:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops. Two things: 1) I see in your note that you made sure Sync=Out. Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you hadn't. 2) The next, onliest thing I can think of comes from reading the manual... "Sync=Out... MIDI clocks are sent out the MIDI Out port, **provided ControlSource is not OFF**. I didn't even know that. Is your ControlSource set to OFF on the LoopIV machine? Now I'm really out of ideas. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Smith" To: Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems > It gets weirder I have just beat synced the two echoplex's and the mpc locks > to the loopIII which is locked to the loopvi, why can't I just do it from > the loopvi ?????????? > Totally and utterly confused. > geoff. > > on 2/6/03 11:57 pm, Geoff Smith at geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com wrote: > > > ARGH! > > I have been trying to get my Akai MPC to sync to the midi clock of my edp > > loopIV > > that i have a pre-recorded loop I like on. > > However all is not going well. > > as the Mpc is not being triggered by the EDP. > > > > I have tested the mpc. > > When using logic (transmit midi clock) the mpc starts when i press play and > > reads the midi clock and then loops along in sync perfectly. Therefore the > > mpc is responding to midi sync fine. > > Okay so this leaves the edp. > > When i connect my EDP loop iv with sync set to out the mpc does nothing!! > > and if I press play on the mpc it simply plays the sequence at its original > > tempo and not the tempo of the edp. So how do you get a sequencer to sync to > > the edp when u have already recorded the loop before? > > How to you send a start sequence command to the mpc like what happens when i > > press play on logic. > > ARGHH! > > bizarrely if i connect up my loopIII edp and create a loop the mpc jumps > > into play and syncs beautifully. So how do you sync to a loop u recorded > > earlier???? > > This is driving me up the twist. > > > > At this rate i am gonna give up with the edps and use the psp42. > > Damm Damm damm > > I must be missing something obvious. > > Can anyone help??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 19:48:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h52Nkkn00758; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:46:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:46:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030602234640.43235.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:46:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! (scroll down for survey question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <41AC096B-9531-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > Exactly, I think we totally agree on this "fact" When I was writing that, I couldn't help thinking of the scene in 'Awakenings' where Robert DiNiro's character is asked "Are you aware of the unconscious aggression you're exhibiting?" to which he calmly replies "How could I possibly be aware of it if it's unconscious?" :-) > I also think as things progress human interaction > via computers will > come closer to physical proximity, similar to the > way a phone > conversation can add another level of communication > with vocal inflections. Absolutely. So no more emailing in our underwear... > If you were a woman trolling for music geeks, this > would be the place! Good point! > No one here would deny that it's not a good tool for > communication, but > I think our community could use a bit of time out of > the Matrix. Another good point! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 20:23:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h530KJG04171; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:20:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:20:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:24:27 +0100 Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c3295f$4e5dade0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes sync =out on 3/6/03 12:32 am, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > I know it seems simple, but does Sync=Out on the LoopIV machine? It should, > if you want the MPC to sync up to the EDP. > > Just checking. > > If it's not that - I'll leave it to Kim and the boys to help ya out. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Smith" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:18 PM > Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems > > >> It gets weirder I have just beat synced the two echoplex's and the mpc > locks >> to the loopIII which is locked to the loopvi, why can't I just do it from >> the loopvi ?????????? >> Totally and utterly confused. >> geoff. >> >> on 2/6/03 11:57 pm, Geoff Smith at geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com wrote: >> >>> ARGH! >>> I have been trying to get my Akai MPC to sync to the midi clock of my > edp >>> loopIV >>> that i have a pre-recorded loop I like on. >>> However all is not going well. >>> as the Mpc is not being triggered by the EDP. >>> >>> I have tested the mpc. >>> When using logic (transmit midi clock) the mpc starts when i press play > and >>> reads the midi clock and then loops along in sync perfectly. Therefore > the >>> mpc is responding to midi sync fine. >>> Okay so this leaves the edp. >>> When i connect my EDP loop iv with sync set to out the mpc does > nothing!! >>> and if I press play on the mpc it simply plays the sequence at its > original >>> tempo and not the tempo of the edp. So how do you get a sequencer to > sync to >>> the edp when u have already recorded the loop before? >>> How to you send a start sequence command to the mpc like what happens > when i >>> press play on logic. >>> ARGHH! >>> bizarrely if i connect up my loopIII edp and create a loop the mpc jumps >>> into play and syncs beautifully. So how do you sync to a loop u recorded >>> earlier???? >>> This is driving me up the twist. >>> >>> At this rate i am gonna give up with the edps and use the psp42. >>> Damm Damm damm >>> I must be missing something obvious. >>> Can anyone help??? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 20:24:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h530MKJ04477; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:20:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i would luv 2 join yoos B'in a sf'ian but i work NITES so if ya have one in the daytime or sun/mon nite i'm good to go... stanamanian > NICE! That makes two of us so far... wait... do you count? You're > already my pal that I hang out with! I CALL SHANANIGAINS! > > When should we have the first SF Bay Area meeting of the N.E.W. Music > club? How about every other thursday night? > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 02:16 PM, Will Wright wrote: > >> >> I'm there! >> >>> So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a >>> centrally located spot and just get together for coffee or some beer? >>> Let's cause a scene! >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 20:28:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h530RQ005231; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:27:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:27:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:31:35 +0100 Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005201c32960$111fc5c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1HfT2C.A.nRB.ut-2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep controlsource is not set to off thanku for trying to help Geoff on 3/6/03 12:38 am, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > Oops. Two things: > > 1) I see in your note that you made sure Sync=Out. Sorry, didn't mean to > imply that you hadn't. > > 2) The next, onliest thing I can think of comes from reading the manual... > "Sync=Out... MIDI clocks are sent out the MIDI Out port, **provided > ControlSource is not OFF**. > > I didn't even know that. Is your ControlSource set to OFF on the LoopIV > machine? > > Now I'm really out of ideas. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Smith" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:18 PM > Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems > > >> It gets weirder I have just beat synced the two echoplex's and the mpc > locks >> to the loopIII which is locked to the loopvi, why can't I just do it from >> the loopvi ?????????? >> Totally and utterly confused. >> geoff. >> >> on 2/6/03 11:57 pm, Geoff Smith at geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com wrote: >> >>> ARGH! >>> I have been trying to get my Akai MPC to sync to the midi clock of my > edp >>> loopIV >>> that i have a pre-recorded loop I like on. >>> However all is not going well. >>> as the Mpc is not being triggered by the EDP. >>> >>> I have tested the mpc. >>> When using logic (transmit midi clock) the mpc starts when i press play > and >>> reads the midi clock and then loops along in sync perfectly. Therefore > the >>> mpc is responding to midi sync fine. >>> Okay so this leaves the edp. >>> When i connect my EDP loop iv with sync set to out the mpc does > nothing!! >>> and if I press play on the mpc it simply plays the sequence at its > original >>> tempo and not the tempo of the edp. So how do you get a sequencer to > sync to >>> the edp when u have already recorded the loop before? >>> How to you send a start sequence command to the mpc like what happens > when i >>> press play on logic. >>> ARGHH! >>> bizarrely if i connect up my loopIII edp and create a loop the mpc jumps >>> into play and syncs beautifully. So how do you sync to a loop u recorded >>> earlier???? >>> This is driving me up the twist. >>> >>> At this rate i am gonna give up with the edps and use the psp42. >>> Damm Damm damm >>> I must be missing something obvious. >>> Can anyone help??? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 20:45:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h530fB206616; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030603004104.1699.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:41:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Echoplex Level Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030602190109.55579.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-539406563-1054600864=:99822" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-539406563-1054600864=:99822 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sound sculpture, baby! i'm about to have to do it lo-fi to feed a mixer, so i'll probably just use a Y cable...as long as the edp and the other input see the same signal, you're good to go. -jim --0-539406563-1054600864=:99822 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
sound sculpture, baby!
 
i'm about to have to do it lo-fi to feed a mixer, so i'll probably just use a Y cable...as long as the edp and the other input see the same signal, you're good to go.
 
-jim
--0-539406563-1054600864=:99822-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 20:51:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h530iZ207120; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:44:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:44:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:47:53 +0100 Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At last it works!!! sorry for my stupidity. Geoff on 3/6/03 1:31 am, Geoff Smith at geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com wrote: > yep > controlsource is not set to off > thanku for trying to help > Geoff > > on 3/6/03 12:38 am, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > >> Oops. Two things: >> >> 1) I see in your note that you made sure Sync=Out. Sorry, didn't mean to >> imply that you hadn't. >> >> 2) The next, onliest thing I can think of comes from reading the manual... >> "Sync=Out... MIDI clocks are sent out the MIDI Out port, **provided >> ControlSource is not OFF**. >> >> I didn't even know that. Is your ControlSource set to OFF on the LoopIV >> machine? >> >> Now I'm really out of ideas. >> >> Doug >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Geoff Smith" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:18 PM >> Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems >> >> >>> It gets weirder I have just beat synced the two echoplex's and the mpc >> locks >>> to the loopIII which is locked to the loopvi, why can't I just do it from >>> the loopvi ?????????? >>> Totally and utterly confused. >>> geoff. >>> >>> on 2/6/03 11:57 pm, Geoff Smith at geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com wrote: >>> >>>> ARGH! >>>> I have been trying to get my Akai MPC to sync to the midi clock of my >> edp >>>> loopIV >>>> that i have a pre-recorded loop I like on. >>>> However all is not going well. >>>> as the Mpc is not being triggered by the EDP. >>>> >>>> I have tested the mpc. >>>> When using logic (transmit midi clock) the mpc starts when i press play >> and >>>> reads the midi clock and then loops along in sync perfectly. Therefore >> the >>>> mpc is responding to midi sync fine. >>>> Okay so this leaves the edp. >>>> When i connect my EDP loop iv with sync set to out the mpc does >> nothing!! >>>> and if I press play on the mpc it simply plays the sequence at its >> original >>>> tempo and not the tempo of the edp. So how do you get a sequencer to >> sync to >>>> the edp when u have already recorded the loop before? >>>> How to you send a start sequence command to the mpc like what happens >> when i >>>> press play on logic. >>>> ARGHH! >>>> bizarrely if i connect up my loopIII edp and create a loop the mpc jumps >>>> into play and syncs beautifully. So how do you sync to a loop u recorded >>>> earlier???? >>>> This is driving me up the twist. >>>> >>>> At this rate i am gonna give up with the edps and use the psp42. >>>> Damm Damm damm >>>> I must be missing something obvious. >>>> Can anyone help??? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 21:04:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5313KW11055; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:03:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:03:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:03:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: WARNING: KLEZ VIRUS (again) Head mounted lights? From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <26B7CBB4-955F-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know it's someone from this list, because I'm getting snippets of jpgs with audio gear and a head mounted light... good for hooking up gear in the dark. Please deal with your machine as it's sending out emails to everyone in your inbox. Mark Sottilaor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 21:17:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h531EYo12469; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:14:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:14:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:14:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EDBAC6C000001C9@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <7XUu-C.A.tCD.5Z_2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here in lies the issue. Centrally located totally depends on who's in on this. So far it's 3 people. When we figure out who's up for this, then we should pick a place. I do have to say that I'm not sure if I'd want to pick something between here and Santa Cruz. As we in the SF bay area know, the highway system was designed to accomodate a combined population of 100K people. Traffic sucks. I'm into this idea, but I also am not willing to spend too much time in my car commuting. I'd love to go to your things Chris, but by the time I leave Walnut Creek to head down your way, it's going to be near 9:00PM! Time to come back! Of course, I'm the only one who knows how to do anything in my department (ah layoffs...) so that means I usually am here a lot. Palo Alto isn't too bad though. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 03:10 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: > Just say when and where... and speaking of 'where', what is centrally > located 'tween Santa Cruz and Alameda? might I suggest Coffee Society > in Cupertino? Or maybe something in Palo Alto? a microbrewery, if not > a coffee house? anyone.. anyone.. bueler.. bueler... :) > > peace > -cpr > >> -- Original Message -- >> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:47:51 -0700 >> Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! >> From: mark >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> NICE! That makes two of us so far... wait... do you count? You're >> already my pal that I hang out with! I CALL SHANANIGAINS! >> >> When should we have the first SF Bay Area meeting of the N.E.W. Music >> club? How about every other thursday night? >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 02:16 PM, Will Wright wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm there! >>> >>>> So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a >>>> centrally located spot and just get together for coffee or some >>>> beer? >> >>>> Let's cause a scene! >>>> >>>> Mark Sottilaro >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >>> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 21:21:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h531Is712876; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:18:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:18:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: More EDP sync problems Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:19:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c3296e$387c08a0$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Enlighten us. What was it? (I may have the same problem some day...) - Dennis Leas -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 7:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems At last it works!!! sorry for my stupidity. Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 21:25:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h531NCX13377; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:23:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:23:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: Let's cause a scene! (scroll down for survey question) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:24:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c3296e$d28cf3a0$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20030602183833.60514.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5If6QB.A.4QD.Ai_2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody nearby or traveling through Lafayette, Indiana, USA, feel free to contact me regarding scene causation! ************************************************** > How many people have as a result of being on the > Looper's Delight mailing list have: > 1) Gotten gigs you wouldn't otherwise have gotten? Yep! > 2) Travelled to and/or performed at an event > planned/described on-list? (eg. Loopstock, one of > Rick Walker's events, etc.) Yep! > 3) Socialized and/or collaborated with other > listmembers? Yep! > 4) Influenced musicians you already knew to become > listmembers or take up looping? Yep! > 5) Met your significant other? Nope! - Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 21:33:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h531Og413579; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:24:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:24:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EDBF808.F0513C33@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:21:12 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm up for this too. however, I have no car sooooo....if one of the meetings ends up taking place in San Fran itself, or is public transportable count me in. but I don't wanna handicap the thing before it starts because I'm limited in where I can go. shall we discuss offlist? Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 21:44:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h531hS815681; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:43:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:43:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c32971$844714c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: Multiple USB audio devices? Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:43:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Warning - this question is slightly off topic, unless you consider the possibility of looping audio from one device to the next... :) weak. Anyone have any experience with running two different USB audio devices on a single Windows laptop? I'd like to take advantage of Ableton Live's ability to route channels of audio to two different outputs, but don't want to scrap my current device (a Roland/Edirol UA-30). I figure I can just add a Roland/Edirol UA-1A (simple $80 USB analog audio in/out device), and viola!(?) If I already own a USB ASIO driver that I know supports both devices, will I be able to install it to also provide ASIO control for the second device? Am I making any sense? :) Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 22:10:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53297j18200; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:09:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:09:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: humming with EDP Loop Expansion Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:09:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c32975$3c456880$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two topics, here, somewhat related... 1) As I demo-ed at Loopstock oh-three, I have some Kyma examples that seamless move loops to and from the EDP to the Kyma system. It's so seamless that you can't tell when it has been moved to the Kyma system. Not a pop, click, or level change. I've expanded on the examples to a whole series of "EDP Loop Expanders" with various properties. I call these Loop Expanders because it's as if you're expanding the number of available loops on the EDP. The basic idea is to use the EDP as a front-end looper. You create your loop using all the familiar EDP features such as Insert, Multiply, etc. Next you tap a MIDI key (or footswitch) and the current EDP loop is "captured" into the Kyma. This frees up your EDP to create another loop, which your can subsequently capture, etc. Using a "Capybara Lite" (the smallest member of the Kyma family), you can capture a total of 10 simultaneously playing loops, so it's like having 10 EDPs (except that you can infinitely vary the playback rate and do other Kyma-ish things). These 10 loops are unsynchronized but I have other Loop Expanders which maintain synchronization. The synchronized Loop Expanders include a Kyma "Master Looper" to which all the loops (including those created on the EDP) are synchronized. I also have some "bi-directional Loop Expanders" that permit you to "release" a captured loop back to the EDP where you can mutilate it however you like (including recapturing it). All in all, I've been having big fun with them. (You are in a maze with ten EDPs, all alike...) 2) So as part of my tests, I've been creating loops by humming. I find it astonishingly cool sounding (but then I'm easily amused). I create up to ten loops where I'm humming the same note. Or actually, approximately the same note. And that's where the coolness comes in. Since the loops (in this example anyway) are unsynchronized, their lengths are all different. And my humming varies slightly in pitch. So you hear a really cool, thick, organic texture that is constantly varying and never repeating as the hummings phase in and out. I like it best when I create two loops of humming an octave down and two loops of an octave up (and six loop of unison in the middle). It does indeed work best with unsynchronized loops. What surprises me the most is that simple humming can create such a cool texture. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 22:50:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h532nDh22043; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:49:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:49:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EDC0D65.C2750426@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 22:52:21 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dead looping References: <01a901c3292c$91b58c80$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought they'd fall under Phish Looping. :) Scott Jim Palmer wrote: > > dammit. you are trying to exclude people who loop > grateful dead records. > shame on you! > > > > > > > Dead Looping is when it's Goth. > > > > ;) > > > > Scott > > -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 23:19:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h533IZM25217; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:18:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:18:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:18:33 -0700 Subject: Cycletronica From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <312YhB.A.5JG.LOB3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cycletronica ( sykletron'ika ) : The music of evolving cycles alternate spellings: Cyclotronica, Cyclatronica Subgenres: Cyclic Wankotronica : Generally a solo endeavor Cyclic Jammatronica : A group improvisation form Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 2 23:27:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h533QAi26085; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:26:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:26:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:23:53 -0400 Subject: help!!-- mysterious signal chain interactions From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3137441033_1044612_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3137441033_1044612_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi folks-- I've been very much enjoying reading all the spirited discussion lately. Wish I had more time to participate. Anyway, here's a question in the gear realm-- I'd love some input. I'm finding that almost every single time and place I set up my system, it behaves differently, even though everything is connected in the same way each time. Does this happen to anyone else [or am I just cursed :) ] Here's my setup-- I run my bass into a multi-effects processor and a delay box, and then use a splitter to create two signal chains that each have their own looper and each feed a separate amp/ speaker combination. And here's the kind of thing that happens: I make a loop on the EDP on chain 1. I play along with the loop for awhile. I switch to chain 2 and make a loop on the DL4. I go back to chain 1 to play live through that amp/ speaker (with the EDP loop still playing) BUT . . . when I start playing on chain 1 (with the loop still playing), this time my live playing volume is way way down from what it was before I added the chain 2 loop. There is no real discernable pattern to the way my signal chains seem to effect each other-- it seems slightly different each time. Since these two chains are each amplified by separate amp/ speaker combinations, I don't understand why they would effect each other. ??????? Could the interaction be happening in the power strip between the wall and my rig? I have been looking at these vagaries as just another organic part of the way that I'm playing music as a solo looper (kind of like different conditions each time you go sailing), but I'm also wanting to understand what's going on so that I can control it a bit more if I want to. Any theories, common experiences and especially solutions would be very welcome. thanks, dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --MS_Mac_OE_3137441033_1044612_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable help!!-- mysterious signal chain interactions hi folks--


I've been very much enjoying reading all the spirited discussion lately. Wi= sh I had more time to participate. Anyway, here's a question in the gear rea= lm-- I'd love some input.

I'm finding that almost every single time and place I set up my system, it = behaves differently, even though everything is connected in the same way eac= h time. Does this happen to anyone else [or am I just
cursed :) ]

Here's my setup-- I run my bass into a multi-effects processor and a delay = box, and then use a splitter to create two signal chains that each have thei= r own looper and each feed a separate amp/ speaker combination.

And here's the kind of thing that happens:

I make a loop on the EDP on chain 1.

I play along with the loop for awhile.

I switch to chain 2 and make a loop on the DL4.

I go back to chain 1 to play live through that amp/ speaker (with the EDP l= oop still playing)

BUT . . .  when I start playing on chain 1 (with the loop = still playing), this time my live playing volume is way way down from what i= t was before I added the chain 2 loop.


There is no real discernable pattern to the way my signal chains seem to ef= fect each other-- it seems slightly different each time.

Since these two chains are each amplified by separate amp/ speaker combi= nations, I don't understand why they would effect each other. ???????

Could the interaction be happening in the power strip between the wall and = my rig?

I have been looking at these vagaries as just another organic part of the w= ay that I'm playing music as a solo looper (kind of like different condition= s each time you go sailing), but I'm also wanting to understand what's going= on so that I can control it a bit more if I want to.

Any theories, common experiences and especially solutions would be very = welcome.


thanks,


dan


--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com
--MS_Mac_OE_3137441033_1044612_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 01:54:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h535pBB10909; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 01:51:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 01:51:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 22:51:04 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Cycletronica In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5CFEEE7A-9587-11D7-9614-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Bxd1C.A.VqC.PdD3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in if we can sometimes spell it psyclotronica... like when we're looping on drugs. (In my mind I'll still consider cycletronica a sub genera of N.E.W.) Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 08:18 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Cycletronica ( sykletron'ika ) : The music of evolving cycles > > alternate spellings: Cyclotronica, Cyclatronica > > Subgenres: > > Cyclic Wankotronica : Generally a solo endeavor > Cyclic Jammatronica : A group improvisation form > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 02:41:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h536e4t14589; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 02:40:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 02:40:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:40:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle, WA]: Tableland @ Graceland, Tuesday June 3rd From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <33F54DA2-958E-11D7-B550-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The always loop-enabled Tableland will be playing at Graceland (109 Eastlake Ave E) this Tuesday, June 3rd, around 10PM. Also appearing will be some other band. For further Tableland information: www.tableland.org Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Tableland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 02:44:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h536hwr14967; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 02:43:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 02:43:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c701c3299b$3ddeff00$b964f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200306030327.h533RNb26239@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: A message from Stuart Wyatt Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:42:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart Wyatt asked me to forward this to the list for him. I, myself, feel fully committed to Loopers Delight but I wish all the success and acceptance in the world to Stuart who I will be performing with in Paris sometime very soon. yours, Rick Walker ****************************************** letter from Stuart Wyatt, I've had a lot of people email me offlist asking me to stay subscribed, but I'm going to go out and 'find myself' for a bit, and to do that, I cant have any negative external influences. I have my own philosophies and ideas with regards to music, looping and spirituality, and I have found that I do not understand them enough to be able to share them properly. I cannot explain to other people or argue my point of view when I dont understand fully my own experiences. I'm fed up of putting my foot in my mouth. So, I'm moving to the UK next week and will be free for the first time in 3.5 years. In Paris, I have no space to play... I actually get to play my violin just a few times each month. My apartment here is too noisy and claustrophobic to get into my looping trance... also, the street is not welcoming of me or my music any more and is making it very difficult to find any solitude. I have so much untapped musical energy inside me that I feel as though I am going to explode. I rehearse and play in my head...only in my head... 24 hours a day in a virtual internal personal studio. I want to channel that back through the violin. I want people to be able to hear what I am talking about. I feel as though I have a long and interesting journey ahead of me. As from next week, I will be without internet access, and will enter a cellar room for two weeks. I have the sea 100m away from me and a private garden to relax in. I'm cutting all ties for two weeks. When I come back from this journey, I'll resub, and I'll be willing to share my experiences. I will stay only if I am given 100% acceptance for my ideas, nothing less will do. You don't have to agree with my ideas, but you just accept that my ideas are mine, and work for me, maybe me alone. However, if one fraction of an idea inspires another looper to create and spawn new branches of their music, then it will be all worth while. There has been far too much analysing, arguing, flaming and narrow mindedness on this list lately. Finally, "LIVE LOOPING" is here to stay, so you had all better get used to it. Its not a mutually exclusive group - just a mindset that a growing number of loopers are finding an afinity with. It is just a name that is being given to a certain style of music. I have to correct myself and say that it *IS* a style of music. I never understood it until I heard some mp3's of some artists who are calling themselves Live Loopers, and read the posts of other LD'ers. How many of you have actually listened to a selection on 'Live Looping' music from a number of different artists? Live looping exists. It is here to stay. It can only benefit the looping community and LD. Its late. I have a lot of packing and organising to do. Take care everyone. I'll be back, - Stuart Wyatt http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 02:58:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h536thM16076; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 02:55:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 02:55:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00eb01c3299c$e2094080$b964f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200306021932.h52JWra02356@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: community and the internet Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:53:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my good friend, mark wrote: "I totally disagree with the fact that the internet can act as community. To a small degree it can, and it does help people get together, but the key is to get together. (I met my wife on the internet doing a search on Brian Eno!) I think the internet is good at augmenting social groups, but not a replacement or alternative to them." I think one's personality has everything to do with whether the internet can act as a community, Mark. You and I (and everyone really) are really different from each other in terms of personality. I booked a 10 country tour of Europe, playing with and dueting many of the most talented live loopers on the continent and the British Isles with ONE e-mail to loopers delight (and dozens of posts and hostings of live loopers in my own area) and then six months of several hours a day e-mailing the logistics back and forth.....lol. I consider myself to be part of a small and, to my modest mind, growing community of musicians who feel part of a larger community than a purely local one. I feel really warmly (and I'm pretty sure it's reciprocal) to several people I have never even seen a picture of, let alone seen in person. We're in Sweden and England and France and Italy and Switzerland and Canada and the United States and Brazil and Japan. We number less than a hundred so it's no big woop (except to us and it is a huge woop to me) but we are definitely a community. If you don't feel a part of that community or if you aren't attracted to being part of a community that exists largely in cyberspace I hear you loud and clear and can accept your feelings. I'm living proof that it is not impossible however. respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 03:02:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5370XF16642; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:00:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:00:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f101c3299d$8f593ba0$b964f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200306021932.h52JWra02356@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: community and the internet, addendum Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:58:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark also wrote: "So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a centrally located spot and just get together for coffee or some beer? Let's cause a scene!" And I love this idea for a beginning of a local San Francisco community and would love to be invited if it happens. I know I'm just a lowly Santa Cruz boy from the boondocks but I"d love to participate. Nice suggestion! Thanks, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 03:03:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5372E616856; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:02:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:02:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 00:02:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Cycletronica From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5CFEEE7A-9587-11D7-9614-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You would be specializing in Psyclic Wankotronics, right? ;-) (Except that probably messes up the pronunciation.) You are way ahead of me with N.E.W. since I've been since Schoolkids' Records in Ann Arbor had a NEW music section back in the early 1980's. I actually was semi-serious with the over all suggestion of "Cycletronica" if not with the subgenre suggestions. It attempts to move the focus off the process ("live use of a looping tool") and onto the audible results. It distinguishes between cases where loops are being used as part of the background -- e.g., David Torn's really great work on David Bowie's Heathen -- and cases where the cycles are the focus of attention. There is some risk that it leaves in the Acid/Live pre-recorded loop side of things. What those probably lack most of the time is the evolutionary aspect. (I contemplated "evolutionary cycletroncia" but that just seemed like too much of a mouthful.) On the other hand, if there's enough evolution to the cycles or their use, then I don't see a need to exclude that music out of hand. If Matthias and Andre feel they need to spell out aesthetic manifestos that exclude each other, then I'm afraid I can't help there. I'd rather worry about the aesthetic center for Cycletronica than erecting a fence at the perimeter. There's also always the option of attaching additional adjectives. Ambient Cycletronica, Aggressive Psyclotronica, Live Dayglo Green Cyclatronica, etc. I do have to ask myself whether all of the material on my CD actually qualifies as Cycletronica. It's predominantly Cycletronica so that might be enough. The opening and closing pieces, however, have no loops (since I didn't own a looper at the time). On the other hand, they do make use of evolving tone sequences so arguably that would count as well. Judge for yourself. The last track from the CD starts playing by default if you visit my web site (which incidentally labels the music "Ambient Guitar" but may get changed to "Cycletronica" or "Cycletronic Guitar"). Hmm. I devise a name for a genre and then proceed to consider whether I need to exclude myself. Mark http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg on 6/2/03 10:51 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > I'm in if we can sometimes spell it psyclotronica... like when we're > looping on drugs. (In my mind I'll still consider cycletronica a sub > genera of N.E.W.) > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 08:18 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> Cycletronica ( sykletron'ika ) : The music of evolving cycles >> >> alternate spellings: Cyclotronica, Cyclatronica >> >> Subgenres: >> >> Cyclic Wankotronica : Generally a solo endeavor >> Cyclic Jammatronica : A group improvisation form >> >> Mark >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 03:06:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5376B417461; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:06:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:06:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030603070609.92191.qmail@web21503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 00:06:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: A message from Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c701c3299b$3ddeff00$b964f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > When I come back from this journey, I'll resub, and > I'll be willing to > share my experiences. I will stay only if I am given > 100% acceptance > for my ideas, nothing less will do. You don't have > to agree with my > ideas, but you just accept that my ideas are mine, > and work for m I think by having this un-moderated list available to us all gives everybody 100% acceptance to the views and ideas of the subscribers. As far as I am concerned all his ideas were considered his own - the only thing that happened was a few people challenged those ideas which is not a negative thing at all. But as another person said last week - "welcome to my united states of whatever" :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 05:21:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h539K8g28694; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:20:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:20:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <64.309f72fe.2c0dc242@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:20:02 EDT Subject: Re: livelooping.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim > =Kim > > =andy > At 06:07 AM 6/1/2003, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > >LD's a fantastic site, a brilliant resource . > >It doesn't have a structure that would lead the curious > >directly to where they could discover new music, > > The first link on LD is to the Profiles section, which is not perfect, but > it is the second most popular area of Looper's Delight. Thousands of people > go there each month to browse through looper's profiles, most of which have > links to their respective sites and audio files. I go there all the time to > discover new music, it seems many others do as well. > > I don't want to pay to host 100's of people's mp3 albums, no. > > >Kim, if you think it would be better to put all this onto LD > >then maybe we should all consider it. > > that's up to you, not me. Looper's Delight has always welcomed new material > from people in the looping community. That's how the entire site was created. > > > kim Well, I went to the LD site again for a really good look, and have some (positive) comments which I'll put in another post. I see it like this:- loopers-delight.com is a visit to the library livelooping.com is wandering round an art gallery ......(..er....potentially...) we hoped to get funding so that someone could be paid to produce attractive looking pages where the graphic design complemented the music. So quite different to LD, which is very much a "text on white background fast download" kind of a site (my personal favourite kind of site to visit , as it happens). Our ideal would be a complementary site with close links to LD. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 05:37:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h539a1q30111; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:36:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:36:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.a0b198f.2c0dc5f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:35:52 EDT Subject: the LD website To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's easy to lounge on the list and forget about the Looper's Delight website. ...but foolish There's info about list members, there's a link to a searchable international gig database, with a "looper" category so it's easy to find the relevant stuff. essays about looping and much more. But we need to help a bit. The "looper profiles" need updating. (unless Matthias is lying about his age :-) we need to put our gigs on that list We ought to be looking at that info, and reporting broken links. We need to find at least one "significant looping album" that was produced after 1983 !!!! for the recommended listening section. any other ideas? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 06:19:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53AHVp00887; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:17:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:17:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:21:36 +0100 Subject: FW: More EDP sync problems From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A nice selection of ignorance on my part! It was my Mpc only works in control-source is set to ctrl not notes. Also the mpc has to be stopped and then triggered by the next loop function to make it play. It can then and only then be retriggered by the mute button. 3and half hours to work that out! Arghh!!! Now am I brave enough to get the loopIII machine going too. mmmm Geoff on 3/6/03 2:19 am, dennis@mail.worldserver.com at dennis@mail.worldserver.com wrote: > Enlighten us. What was it? (I may have the same problem some day...) > > - Dennis Leas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 7:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: More EDP sync problems > > > At last it works!!! > sorry for my stupidity. > Geoff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 13:26:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53HOQZ16800; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:24:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:24:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:24:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 17:24:20.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7DFBC60:01C329F4] Resent-Message-ID: <2nYk1C.A.YGE.KnN3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been known to count. and nobody said anything about shenanigans! Sweet I'm double in! Maybe we can get in some Hijinx if we have time! Thursday nights are iffy for me, but most other nights are pretty flexible. Will >From: mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:47:51 -0700 > >NICE! That makes two of us so far... wait... do you count? You're already >my pal that I hang out with! I CALL SHANANIGAINS! > >When should we have the first SF Bay Area meeting of the N.E.W. Music club? > How about every other thursday night? > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 02:16 PM, Will Wright wrote: > >> >>I'm there! >> >>>So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a >>>centrally located spot and just get together for coffee or some beer? >>>Let's cause a scene! >>> >>>Mark Sottilaro >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 13:28:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53HRKg17051; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:27:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 17:27:11.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DF576C0:01C329F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fridays during the days I tend to sit around a lot and sometimes I ponder the contents of my fridge so those days are pretty busy but I could fit something in with enough advanced warning. Some thursdays during the day and some saturdays could be arranged. Will >From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! >Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:20:28 -0700 > >i would luv 2 join yoos B'in a sf'ian but i work NITES so if ya have one in >the daytime or sun/mon nite i'm good to go... > >stanamanian > > > NICE! That makes two of us so far... wait... do you count? You're > > already my pal that I hang out with! I CALL SHANANIGAINS! > > > > When should we have the first SF Bay Area meeting of the N.E.W. Music > > club? How about every other thursday night? > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 02:16 PM, Will Wright wrote: > > > >> > >> I'm there! > >> > >>> So what do you say kids? Maybe every other week we could pick a > >>> centrally located spot and just get together for coffee or some beer? > >>> Let's cause a scene! > >>> > >>> Mark Sottilaro > >>> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 13:54:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53Hq5U19021; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:52:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:52:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:51:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Cycletronica Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <10700F22-95EC-11D7-945B-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 12:02 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I actually was semi-serious with the over all suggestion of > "Cycletronica" if not with the subgenre suggestions. It attempts to > move the focus off the process ("live use of a looping tool") and onto > the audible results. ...and I took it seriously. As a matter of fact, I took it very seriously, except I can't help but make a wise ass remark about almost everything. It's my nature. I'm taking it so seriously, that I think I'll co-opt this name, if it's OK with you. Cycletronic guitar sounds like a winner in my book! Way better than Neo-Esoteric-Wanking (though I still may use that one, especially as a substitute for the term "Prog-Rock") Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 14:07:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53I2bH20363; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:02:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:02:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.29.153] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: community,styles;names "a scene" Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 18:02:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 18:02:31.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D3C34E0:01C329FA] Resent-Message-ID: <2hoOJB.A.D-E.9KO3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have greatly enjoyed reading all the posts about how we “title” ourselves, but have been too busy (this is a good thing) to really chime in….until now. I think everyone has made some very pertinent and intelligent points. I have to say I am somewhat on the fence as to my own classification. I totally support Rick and his unflinching and extraordinary work to support the looping cause and community. I also feel Kim has made some very interesting comments on the “pigeon-hole” syndrome which accompanies any classification of music styles or genres. Is looping a style? Perhaps not…..but that is really not that important. It is a technique which crosses boundaries of style and genre. I have had the unique honor of playing “looping duets”, and most recently at Loopstock at “looping trio”, with such disparate artists as Rick Walker, Bill Walker, Andre LaFosse, Steve Lawson, Jon Wagner and others. Each of these players have a unique, and somewhat signature sound and style. Although we all use “loopers” to achieve our artistic expression, I don’t think any of us can be summarily, or accurately, be tossed into a bin which correctly defines “loop music”. That bin would also have Matthias Grob, Tom Heasley, David Torn, John Whooley, Mark Hamburg, Stanitarium, Dr. Zvonar, Ted Killian….and the list goes on. A pretty eclectic bunch, all with varied, and individual “styles” which mostly defy gross categorization. (also each using quite different hardware to achieve this categorical end) The problem with categorizing any art is that the categories are drawn not so much for actual description, but rather as a marketing plan. In such what Rick and Hans have done with :”Loopfest” and “Loopstock” similarily work. These terms help to describe and technique (granted a wide and varied one; Whooley’s looping is altogether different than Andres’s), a performance or compositional style which employs a new(er) technology and sits (mostly) outside the popular paradigm of musical classification and it’s subset of “musical style”. And that is the point. This little community here at LD encompasses all that is best and good about the larger community of musicians. We are a diverse bunch; eclectric, unconventional, accessible, melodic, atonal. But one thing we certainly are is supportive of each other. I love the posts here which speak of weird techniques, accidents and other strangely bizarre random acts which manifest through the music created by the list’s members. And I love the mutual respect and support that we all show for each other, regardless of an individual’s “style” or influences. Kim has created a unique platform here for us all to share and enjoy the experiences and creations of others (ok..there’s the plug…send him money REALLY!) I would venture to guess that each member here looks forward with great anticipation to reading the latest thread or posts on LD. I know I do, and the opportunities to “converse” (even in the most virtual of means) or meet and talk with other members is a great gift. Thanks Kim. I think we all want “music which employs audio looping” to be more widely heard and, perhaps, accepted by the general public. And the whole idea behind a “looping festival” is to promote just that. What we do with looping technology is sometimes very difficult to describe to the average Joe who might not know a digital sample from…well, a specimen bottle. And to try to explain a feedback delay line to that same Joe….well something might be better off heard than explained. It is unfair to try to classify what looping is, or better yet, what looping can be by pigeon holing it into a single genre-specific title. The latest debate in this has been interesting and I have really enjoyed reading everyone’s “take” on the whole thing. But I think we should encourage any actions which helps to illuminate what is we do….which brings to our community heightened exposure, and even gives us gigs! I also think we should embrace our diversity. At Loopstock I tried to make a point to several players to “interact”, what I addressed as “collaborative looping”. And it worked. Check out that recording Jon Wagner put up of he, Bill Walker and myself; three very different players, with very different styles of looping and influences, all with different gear, collaborating in a process to create music which becomes something greater than the sum of it’s parts. The idea of using “live recorded audio loops” and playing with them, interacting with them, or in someone like Andre’s case chopping them up and spitting them back out as something drastically new and different, is a fairly new “idea”, and the hardware and technology, and the varied techniques therein, still developing. But since I am babbling about “titles” and classifications………I have always found it a little odd that the devices we use for looping are called “loopers”, and the person using the device is also called a “looper”. Is it just me…or is that confusing? Are we “Loopers”, “Loopists” “Loopologists” “Loopographers” (I guess that would be reserved for those who catalog their loops or save them to CFC cards). Whaddaya think? As to the “Let’s make a scene” thread….I wish I still lived in the Bay Area so I too could take part in the possible casual get-to-gethers. Maybe you could find an internet café and invite some of us cyber-citizens to join in? Living out here in the boondocks as I do, I have found the net, and especially LD, my lifeline to culture and an invaluable conduit to some like-minded loopy folks like yourselves…………. Yes, as Rick pointed out, we do have a community here…. Perhaps even a family. Yes we are opinionated, hard headed, sometimes argumentative , but all in all extremely supportive and inclusive. I feel honored to have all of you “Looper’s” “Live Loopers”, “Dead Loopers” “Real-Time Loopers”, “Cyber-Loopers”, “Neo-Catatonic Loopers”, “Barefooted Guitar Playing Poopers”, “Hair Dyed Loopers” and (in the case of Rick and Andre) “Uber-Loopers” as my friends. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 14:08:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53I4dQ20641; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:04:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:04:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.214.39.161] X-Originating-Email: [grassbelly@hotmail.com] From: "Reid Maxwell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton Live Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:04:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 18:04:33.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[95EE96B0:01C329FA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody using this software. I am suprised I have not seen one post about this since I joined the list. What's up? Reid _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 14:25:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53IMO723185; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: Re: Ableton Live Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:22:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 18:22:18.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[10D64B50:01C329FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not intended as a looping device - it's designed as more of a sample playback device. You can loop in it, if your latencies are low enough, but it's core competency is sample playback. Check out www.livepa.org for more of the presequenced variety of performance. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reid Maxwell" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: Ableton Live > Anybody using this software. I am suprised I have not seen one post about > this since I joined the list. > What's up? > > Reid > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 15:09:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53IwiT27952; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:58:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:58:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030603185838.43995.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:58:38 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Syncing Two Repeaters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200306031807.h53I74u20928@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1LKePC.A.o0G.k_O3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<<>>> Actually the Repeater OS 1.2 does make a mean cuppa. They wisely left CC#'s 69-79 free for this important upgrade. CC# 69 - Darjeeling CC# 70 - English Breakfast CC# 71 - Earl Grey CC# 72 - Assam CC# 73 - Ceylon CC# 74 - One lump of sugar CC# 75 - Two lumps CC# 76 - A splash of cream CC# 77 - A dollop of honey CC# 78 - Milk and honey together CC# 79 - A slice of lemon A word of caution. Be careful to add one number to the PC command or else you'll end up with Darjeeling instead of Tap Tempo (or the other way around, I can never remember). Also, do NOT send CC# 76 with CC# 79. This would amount to social ostracization (not to mention curdle your transitors). I have a beta version of OS 1.2 that I've been using for a while now. If you'd like a copy, just send me a SimpleTech CFC (256MB will do just fine) and I'll send it to you when I get around to it... :) There are a few bugs in it still, sometimes I'll see a few small dark objects floating around in my cup and I'll have to toss it and try it again. It takes a few tries, but really works well once the unit has been on for a few hours. Hope this helps... Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 15:14:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53JAt229508; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:10:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:10:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:10:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200306031510.AA286720032@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Gig: Dronerama, Seattle, tonight X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many and sundry looping devices will be employed by the assorted artists... June 3, Tuesday Meetspace presents, DRONERAMA 8-11 p.m. FREE to All ages/ 21+bar Consolidated Works, 500 Boren ave, Seattle N.W.'s most innovative sonic artists unite in a display of simultanious minimalistic drones. Solo players, using independent sound amplification perform thru-out the complex, as the audience is free to explore the vast collage of morphing mixes. bios+a+ic inBOIL R.S Pearson Chaos is your Destiny Nth xaxis wye Ffej Noise Poet Nobody Toneman Intonarumori komafuzz Jeremy Winters Brad Hawkins Andrew Luthringer Table: artist Dan White Mutant Data Orchestra the Mood Channel Jim Fink and more... with Video projections by SPACEBOAT.TV and James Drage For more insight, check out "the Score" from the Stranger, written by Christopher DeLaurenti at http://www.thestranger.com/current/score.html This event made possible by bios+a+ic, entropic advance productions, Pedro, and Consolidated works..thanks to all -- http://entropicadvance.com http://locusproductions.com http://spaceboat.tv -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 15:19:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53JDCj29778; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:13:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:13:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030603191306.16534.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:13:06 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Reel to reel quality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200306031807.h53I74u20928@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I've done some looking around on the Internet for the past few days and haven't come up with much info yet (including some Yahoo Groups) so I thought I'd try this well spring of like minded techies and gear heads. In one large step backwards, I recently took the plunge and purchased an Otari 8 track ($14,000 a decade or two ago, nowadays cheaper than recording software) I'm looking to purchase some blank tape for it, both for professional recording and also for recording rehearsals. I've been looking at Ampex/Quantgy 456 just because I know it's an industry standard. So two questions: 1) Is 456 really the way to go? Or are there other high quality tapes out there that would serve me well? Does it depend on the application? I'm recording mostly electronic music along with a fair amount of musique concrete. By electronic music, I mean modern day synths and analog and digital processors. 2) On eBay there are many auctions for used tape that has been bulk demagnitized as well as "new" tape that is several years or decades old. I am aware of the difference in quality between virgin and demagnitized tape, and I am also aware of 25 year old tape starting to delaminate or have the oxide coating come off as you play it. The questions are: How old can "new" tape be for it to still be viable (assuming good storage conditions), and Does used tape degrade faster once it's been run through the machine and then put into storage for many years? I'm looking for both 1/4" and 1/2" reels (10.5") Any specific advice would be welcome and especially any links to websites that contain more info. TIA, Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 15:29:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53JKoJ30751; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:20:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:20:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c32a05$98394900$0319c797@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Ableton Live Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:23:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [151.199.25.3] at Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:20:44 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm is the general consensus really that Ableton / Live is not for on the fly looping - even it of pre-created elements? I know a few DJ's who do all their work and improvs using it. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "sserendipity" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Ableton Live > > It's not intended as a looping device - it's designed as more of a sample > playback device. You can loop in it, if your latencies are low enough, but > it's core competency is sample playback. > > Check out www.livepa.org for more of the presequenced variety of > performance. > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some > Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I > could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reid Maxwell" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:04 AM > Subject: Ableton Live > > > > Anybody using this software. I am suprised I have not seen one post about > > this since I joined the list. > > What's up? > > > > Reid > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 15:34:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53JTMJ31936; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:29:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:29:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <138.208ce751.2c0e5109@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:29:13 EDT Subject: Re: Reel to reel quality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steven.....try www.tapeop.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 15:35:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53JSfo31675; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:28:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:28:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:28:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200306031528.AA230097178@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: Ableton Live X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is made for looping pre-created elements and elements created live within Live, but it is no replacement for the EDP/Repeater/Boomerang/etc for istruments outside the computer. Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "David" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:23:20 -0400 >Hmmm is the general consensus really that Ableton / Live is not for on the >fly looping - even it of pre-created elements? I know a few DJ's who do >all their work and improvs using it. > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "sserendipity" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:22 PM >Subject: Re: Ableton Live > > >> >> It's not intended as a looping device - it's designed as more of a sample >> playback device. You can loop in it, if your latencies are low enough, but >> it's core competency is sample playback. >> >> Check out www.livepa.org for more of the presequenced variety of >> performance. >> >> bIz >> >> ------------ >> http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some >> Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I >> could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." >> ------------ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Reid Maxwell" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:04 AM >> Subject: Ableton Live >> >> >> > Anybody using this software. I am suprised I have not seen one post >about >> > this since I joined the list. >> > What's up? >> > >> > Reid >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >> > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > >> > >> > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 15:36:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53JWT932734; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:32:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:32:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030603193228.82265.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Ableton Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002301c32a05$98394900$0319c797@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_NmfOC.A.V_H.NfP3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The new tape op issue has a review on Ableton Live - --- David wrote: > Hmmm is the general consensus really that Ableton / > Live is not for on the > fly looping - even it of pre-created elements? I > know a few DJ's who do > all their work and improvs using it. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sserendipity" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: Ableton Live > > > > > > It's not intended as a looping device - it's > designed as more of a sample > > playback device. You can loop in it, if your > latencies are low enough, but > > it's core competency is sample playback. > > > > Check out www.livepa.org for more of the > presequenced variety of > > performance. > > > > bIz > > > > ------------ > > http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a > dated d&b loop with some > > Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me > technically or talent wise, and I > > could do better with a cassette deck and a > microphone." > > ------------ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Reid Maxwell" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:04 AM > > Subject: Ableton Live > > > > > > > Anybody using this software. I am suprised I > have not seen one post > about > > > this since I joined the list. > > > What's up? > > > > > > Reid > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 > months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 15:37:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53JZ6B00956; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:35:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:35:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EDCF790.6BEE17D4@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:31:28 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reel to reel quality References: <20030603191306.16534.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations! I'm envious! You might check this link out for some info: http://community-2.webtv.net/cnagorka/OpenReelForever/page4.html Tapeop is a fantastic resource too. 456 was the industry standard for rock stuff up until a few years ago, but doesn't have much headroom or the frequency response of the newer tapes. Machines like the Tascam 38 can't deal with the thicker backing of the good stuff like BASF 900 (pretty much the standard at this point) so they have to use 456. I'm not sure about the Otari - is it a half-inch player? It's much more of a pro machine, so I'm pretty sure it could handle 900, or Quantegy GP9 which is also good. Older tape is a crapshoot. Some makes (like 456 in particular) get sticky after being stored a long time. I've actually had problems with a session for my band I had on 456 that was stored for only two years, in "home" conditions, ie, on a shelf in a bedroom. It really depends on how it's stored. If you're trying to save money, I'd go for tape as new as possible that's been bulk demagged, maybe talk to studios to see if you can buy one-pass. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 16:19:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53KEwC04999; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:14:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Ableton Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:14:58 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06/03/2003 04:15:00 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently saw a demo of Ableton processing live audio thru VST plugins, and its own internal fx...pretty cool! Based on reviews I've read, it can also record and playback on the fly whatever is happening within in it. Folks are definitely streaming realtime performances of Reason synths into it. I plan on exploring it as a realtime guitar processor, which may include looping...I'll let you know! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 17:26:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53LJTJ10724; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:19:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:19:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c32a15$fad5c7e0$c4c4590c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: Subject: Re: Cycletronica Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:20:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: > I'd rather worry about the aesthetic center > for Cycletronica than erecting a fence at the > perimeter. would that be a Cycl(et)one fence? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 17:47:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53LgfN13466; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:42:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:42:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c32a19$68698280$0319c797@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030603191306.16534.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Reel to reel quality Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:45:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [151.199.25.3] at Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:42:35 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Different engineers will argue about the quality of different brands/grades of tape. Specifically one "measure" or issue is how different brands/formulations sound, not only right after a take, but after a few sessions of overdubbing. Some tape is thought to have better "staying power" if I can make up that term. Now, if only I could remember what brands of tape people think well of in this "overdubbing" mode. However, while the tape can be important in "shading" your sound, there are other more important issues than the tape You probably know about all this, but just in case... 1) Tape head alignment is critical -- over time they adjust, and as they move playback of recordings of tape that was recorded at a different alignment will be inaccurate. 2) Correctly calibrating and setting any noise reduction (NR) -- most people don't use noise reduction because they don't keep regular maintenance of the frequency/signal parameters. Frequency balances become all squewed if a tape is recorded with some kind of NR, and then played-back later when the NR is not set exactly the same. (As a studio tech in the 80's I got to "do the dolby's" on two 24track studers every week -- for each track, 100hz, 1000hz 10,000hz. You can imagine the hours of fun that gave me but I did get to sit in on the Yardbirds sessions while they were working under the name "Box Of Frogs.") 3) Tape speed -- 15ips or 30ips? Not all tape is formulated for BOTH speeds. This is a fundamental choice to make and will effect the NR circuits too. Practically no one uses NR at 30ips. Then again, you don't get many minutes of music per tape at that speed. Hope this helps... David ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: Reel to reel quality > > Hey gang, > > I've done some looking around on the Internet for the past few days and haven't come up with > much info yet (including some Yahoo Groups) so I thought I'd try this well spring of like minded > techies and gear heads. > > In one large step backwards, I recently took the plunge and purchased an Otari 8 track > ($14,000 a decade or two ago, nowadays cheaper than recording software) I'm looking to purchase > some blank tape for it, both for professional recording and also for recording rehearsals. I've > been looking at Ampex/Quantgy 456 just because I know it's an industry standard. So two > questions: > > 1) Is 456 really the way to go? Or are there other high quality tapes out there that would > serve me well? Does it depend on the application? I'm recording mostly electronic music along > with a fair amount of musique concrete. By electronic music, I mean modern day synths and analog > and digital processors. > > 2) On eBay there are many auctions for used tape that has been bulk demagnitized as well as > "new" tape that is several years or decades old. I am aware of the difference in quality between > virgin and demagnitized tape, and I am also aware of 25 year old tape starting to delaminate or > have the oxide coating come off as you play it. The questions are: How old can "new" tape be for > it to still be viable (assuming good storage conditions), and Does used tape degrade faster once > it's been run through the machine and then put into storage for many years? > > I'm looking for both 1/4" and 1/2" reels (10.5") > > Any specific advice would be welcome and especially any links to websites that contain more > info. > > TIA, > > Stephen > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 18:25:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53MNRw17371; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Reel to reel quality Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:23:31 -0500 Message-ID: <00e401c32a1e$c3b0b870$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <002c01c32a19$68698280$0319c797@hppav> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loops of steel wire are best for looping. all educated people agree on this... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 19:40:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53NZMA23568; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:35:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:35:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c32a28$c9df0300$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Ableton Live Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:35:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using Ableton Live as a live looping device with my guitar. There are a few tricks here and there to get it to work as a live looping tool, but once those are settled, it works GREAT! Of course, I also have 2 EDPs, so I do agree with the comment that Live is not a replacement for an EDP. No overdub, multiply, and certainly none of the advanced features. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Ableton Live > > I recently saw a demo of Ableton processing live audio thru VST plugins, > and its own internal fx...pretty cool! Based on reviews I've read, it can > also record and playback on the fly whatever is happening within in it. > Folks are definitely streaming realtime performances of Reason synths into > it. I plan on exploring it as a realtime guitar processor, which may > include looping...I'll let you know! > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 19:45:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53NiSG24628; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:44:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <004001c32a28$c9df0300$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Ableton Live Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:43:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 23:43:22.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAF534F0:01C32A29] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can't you just record to another track to get overdub? Since tracks are separate, with separate lengths, doesn't this obviate the need for multiply? AFACS, the missing features would be feedback and replace, along with the latency issues and the UI being all but impossible to navigate via midi. (No 'next loop' etc). bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Ableton Live > I'm using Ableton Live as a live looping device with my guitar. There are a > few tricks here and there to get it to work as a live looping tool, but once > those are settled, it works GREAT! > > Of course, I also have 2 EDPs, so I do agree with the comment that Live is > not a replacement for an EDP. No overdub, multiply, and certainly none of > the advanced features. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: Ableton Live > > > > > > I recently saw a demo of Ableton processing live audio thru VST plugins, > > and its own internal fx...pretty cool! Based on reviews I've read, it can > > also record and playback on the fly whatever is happening within in it. > > Folks are definitely streaming realtime performances of Reason synths into > > it. I plan on exploring it as a realtime guitar processor, which may > > include looping...I'll let you know! > > David > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 19:56:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53Nnvr25197; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:49:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:49:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c32a2a$d20bfd60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <004001c32a28$c9df0300$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Ableton Live Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:49:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Those are good observations. "Overdub-like" activities can be done with multiple clip slots. Multiply, with overdub, isn't directly available - but can be done in a similar fashion. I don't have any latency issues (ASIO driver works with ~10ms latency), and the interface is actually very simple to manage with MIDI. "Next Loop" is easy enough - just start recording in the next slot, which is assigned to a MIDI pedal. Also, the reason I recently asked about a program to fire off keyboard macros based on MIDI note input - is because I can use it to get to a lot of functions in Live via my FCB1010. Works like a charm. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "sserendipity" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Ableton Live > Can't you just record to another track to get overdub? > > Since tracks are separate, with separate lengths, doesn't this obviate the > need for multiply? > > AFACS, the missing features would be feedback and replace, along with the > latency issues and the UI being all but impossible to navigate via midi. (No > 'next loop' etc). > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, > I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play > music, so we're just playing automated music right now." > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Cox" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: Ableton Live > > > > I'm using Ableton Live as a live looping device with my guitar. There are > a > > few tricks here and there to get it to work as a live looping tool, but > once > > those are settled, it works GREAT! > > > > Of course, I also have 2 EDPs, so I do agree with the comment that Live is > > not a replacement for an EDP. No overdub, multiply, and certainly none of > > the advanced features. > > > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:14 PM > > Subject: Re: Ableton Live > > > > > > > > > > I recently saw a demo of Ableton processing live audio thru VST plugins, > > > and its own internal fx...pretty cool! Based on reviews I've read, it > can > > > also record and playback on the fly whatever is happening within in it. > > > Folks are definitely streaming realtime performances of Reason synths > into > > > it. I plan on exploring it as a realtime guitar processor, which may > > > include looping...I'll let you know! > > > David > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 20:01:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h53Nwxa26548; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:58:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:58:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c32a2c$1637f740$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: community,styles;names "a scene" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:58:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe you could find an internet café and invite some of us cyber-citizens to join in? Living out here in the boondocks as I do, I have found the net, and especially LD, my lifeline to culture and an invaluable conduit to some like-minded loopy folks like yourselves..... _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Now that's a cool idea. You SF guys have them ding-dang cyber cafe thangies, dontcha? If you had one meeting a month at one, it might make for a hell of a fun chat session. Otherwise, could we coordinate an online chat session periodically? I think that would be fun. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 22:22:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h542INW10265; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:18:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:18:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030604021817.50580.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Cycletronica To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <10700F22-95EC-11D7-945B-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9qJSY.A.RgC.vbV3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 12:02 AM, Mark Hamburg > wrote: > > > I actually was semi-serious with the over all > suggestion of "Cycletronica" if not with the subgenre > suggestions. My stuff must be Psychletronica, then! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 23:54:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h543pa222704; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:51:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:51:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 20:33:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1157423800==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1157423800==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:21 PM +0100 5/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley's first attempts at live looping, >"with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an Echoplex, a >primitive electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated in >an ever accumulating counterpoint against itself" 1 > >1 p98 Potter, Keith. Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge >University Press 2000) At 8:14 PM +0100 5/27/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >No I didn't confirm to this, as the book is so recent and thorough I >though it would be true. I've just bought Potter's book and gone through the section on Mescalin Mix. The use of the two mono Wollensack decks is described as being used in creating early versions of the piece for Ann Halprin's dance company. A final polished version is described as being produced with Ramon Sender's help, and this is where the Echoplex is mentioned. In one of his e-mails to me, Ramon mentioned using an "Echoplex-type" device at the SF Conservatory, though he apparently used this to achieve reverberation effects. So it seems probable to me that Terry did the layering for "Mescalin Mix" with the original Wollensacks and then added some reverb with Ramon's whatever-the-heck-it-was for some additional effects. I'll have to bring this up next time I see Ramon, but it's really a small detail in the present context. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1157423800==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3
At 6:21 PM +0100 5/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote:
His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley's first attempts at live looping, "with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an Echoplex, a primitive electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated in an ever accumulating counterpoint against itself" 1

1 p98 Potter, Keith. Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press 2000)

At 8:14 PM +0100 5/27/03, Geoff Smith wrote:
No I didn't confirm to this, as the book is so recent and thorough I though it would be true.

I've just bought Potter's book and gone through the section on Mescalin Mix. The use of the two mono Wollensack decks is described as being used in creating early versions of the piece for Ann Halprin's dance company. A final polished version is described as being produced with Ramon Sender's help, and this is where the Echoplex is mentioned. In one of his e-mails to me, Ramon mentioned using an "Echoplex-type" device at the SF Conservatory, though he apparently used this to achieve reverberation effects.

So it seems probable to me that Terry did the layering for "Mescalin Mix" with the original Wollensacks and then added some reverb with Ramon's whatever-the-heck-it-was for some additional effects. I'll have to bring this up next time I see Ramon, but it's really a small detail in the present context.
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1157423800==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 23:57:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h543tcK23538; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:55:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Cycletronica From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10700F22-95EC-11D7-945B-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are most welcome to the name. How shall we spell it? "Cycletronic" stays closest to the derivation but is prone to mispronunciation. "Cyclotronic" has high-energy physics connotations. "Cyclatronic" has botanical connotations. Mark on 6/3/03 10:51 AM, mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > ...and I took it seriously. As a matter of fact, I took it very > seriously, except I can't help but make a wise ass remark about almost > everything. It's my nature. > > I'm taking it so seriously, that I think I'll co-opt this name, if it's > OK with you. Cycletronic guitar sounds like a winner in my book! Way > better than Neo-Esoteric-Wanking (though I still may use that one, > especially as a substitute for the term "Prog-Rock") From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 3 23:58:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h543vTl23925; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:57:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Cycletronica From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10700F22-95EC-11D7-945B-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 6/3/03 10:51 AM, mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Neo-Esoteric-Wanking (though I still may use that one, > especially as a substitute for the term "Prog-Rock") And I did appreciate N.E.W.. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 01:53:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h545mN002768; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> References: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 04 Jun 2003 00:48:09 -0400 Message-Id: <1054702090.2758.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 12:48, mark wrote: > > Is part of our problem that we tend to be a solitary bunch? I don't think it's that we're solitary so much as we're non-mainstream. It can be very difficult for those of us who want something more out of other musicians than Clapton licks, Lynrd Skynrd covers, or bop standards to find *anyone* else to play with - or venues for regular gigging. Even when we can find other freak musicians, they tend to be unreliable people who don't return phone calls, fail to show up, etc. I'm lucky to have at least one musical companion, a drummer i work with once a week or so doing mostly pure improvisation. The other day, after a particularly oblique 12-bar rattled to a halt, i told him "THIS is why i'm not welcome at blues jams!" And he loves my looping, and encourages me to do it even when i feel more like plugging straight into an amp. Now, he's a drummer and entirely nontechnical (he doesn't even own a computer), but last time we played, he asked me to explain to him how the looper works, just so he could wrap his head around it. But i'm rambling... basically, my point is that i'm not a weird musician because i loop - i loop because i'm a weird musician. I'm perfectly capable of driving your average Stevie Ray Vaughn wannabe to outright hostility armed with nothing more than an acoustic guitar. Looping is just another tool for me, right along with feedback and alternate tunings and whole-tone scales. As long as i keep trying to surprise myself with new sounds, i'm going to be stuck playing by myself, or with the very few other musicians who actually dig what i play. I suspect many of you are in the same boat. Do you play alone because you like it that way, or because no one else will play with you? -- -dave "Who provides the profits - these nice little profits of 20, 100, 300, 1,500 and 1,800 per cent? We all pay them - in taxation... But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill." --Major General Smedley Butler, "War Is a Racket" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 02:09:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5468JP04818; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:08:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Cycletronica Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My vote is for Cyclotronic, as it has that high-energy physics connotation. Having lived above Cornell's Electron Storage Ring it makes me feel right at home. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 08:55 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > You are most welcome to the name. > > How shall we spell it? > > "Cycletronic" stays closest to the derivation but is prone to > mispronunciation. > > "Cyclotronic" has high-energy physics connotations. > > "Cyclatronic" has botanical connotations. > > Mark > > on 6/3/03 10:51 AM, mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> ...and I took it seriously. As a matter of fact, I took it very >> seriously, except I can't help but make a wise ass remark about almost >> everything. It's my nature. >> >> I'm taking it so seriously, that I think I'll co-opt this name, if >> it's >> OK with you. Cycletronic guitar sounds like a winner in my book! Way >> better than Neo-Esoteric-Wanking (though I still may use that one, >> especially as a substitute for the term "Prog-Rock") > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 02:11:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h546A8J05061; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:10:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:10:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:10:07 -0700 Subject: Beware Cafe Press! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <30806ED3-9653-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just found out that Cafe Press has recently changed its user agreement from good to evil. If you have anything for sale there, I urge you to get it off now, because they now feel that because they sell your designs there *they own them*. Not good. Details here: http://www.giveneyestosee.com/say-no-to-cafepress/ Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 02:31:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h546TkX06557; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c32a62$b62167b0$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <1054702090.2758.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 00:29:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I suspect many of you are in the same boat. Do you play alone because > you like it that way, or because no one else will play with you? I am interested in the solo thing for several reasons: 1. The logistics of having a band are a major pain in the ass. This includes, finding and keeping players, organizing rehearsals, making sure everyone's happy with the material, has enough solo time, etc. 2. Players who have the technical/musical ability to play what I would write are most likely freelancing professionals, and as such are always in search of the next big gig. I have been the guy in the band who secretly planned to leave all along at the first opportunity, and I don't ever want to be left high and dry. 3. The challenge of really being able to get over all by yourself. Good bandleaders know to surround themselves with great players, because it means they have to carry less weight themselves. The one man band thing really requires massive amounts of PRESENCE on every level. 4. I am an only child, and as such am prone to the desire to have things my own way and be the center of attention. :) Sometimes I feel supremely anti-social for going in the direction I'm going, but I am a nomad by nature, and unfortunately it's very hard to transplant an entire band. I've just spent the last two years living in Colorado, and am now planning a move to NYC next fall. I don't know how long I'll stay, but it probably won't be forever. I have been in original bands, and miss the experiences of rehearsals and composing with others. I would like to go back to it, but as we all know it's difficult to find the right people. It would be nice to have other solo weird artists around to bounce ideas off of. I know I got a lot out of just going down and watching Jimmy George stomp around on his Boomerang for a few minutes. Next I would like to put in a visit to Cara Quinn, if she'll have me. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 02:35:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h546XpR07009; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:33:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:33:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:33:48 -0700 Subject: Re: community,styles;names "a scene" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005a01c32a2c$1637f740$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Message-Id: <7FB4A820-9656-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h546XpB06983 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I could set up an IRC channel if people are interested. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 04:58 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > Maybe you could find an internet café and invite some of us > cyber-citizens > to join in? Living out here in the boondocks as I do, I have found the > net, > and especially LD, my lifeline to culture and an invaluable conduit to > some > like-minded loopy folks like yourselves..... > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > Now that's a cool idea. > > You SF guys have them ding-dang cyber cafe thangies, dontcha? If you > had > one meeting a month at one, it might make for a hell of a fun chat > session. > > Otherwise, could we coordinate an online chat session periodically? I > think > that would be fun. > > Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 04:19:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h548GkI14931; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <19d.15da7af1.2c0f04e3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:16:35 EDT Subject: Re: Reel to reel quality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 1) Is 456 really the way to go? Or are there other high quality tapes > out there that would > serve me well? Does it depend on the application? I'm recording mostly > electronic music along > with a fair amount of musique concrete. By electronic music, I mean modern > day synths and analog > and digital processors. Ampex (now Quantegy) seem to be the inventors of the "tape that degrades", I have tapes from the 80's by Scotch(3M), Maxell, Agfa, BASF, they're all fine. (only BASF are still producing). The Ampex stuff I have from the same period has real problems :-( Quantegy claim to have fixed the problem, and I tend to believe them, but I'd rather stick with BASF. BASF is CHEAPER Whatever tape you get, the bias and EQ on your deck need to be accurately set to match that tape (so if you know what it's set up for.....) > > 2) On eBay there are many auctions for used tape that has been bulk > demagnitized as well as > "new" tape that is several years or decades old. I am aware of the > difference in quality between > virgin and demagnitized tape, "virgin" tape goes past the erase head before being recorded, so that's demagnetised as well :-) bulk erasing is good, problems are if the tape is worn, was left on the machine to gather dust, or has been spliced. > and I am also aware of 25 year old tape > starting to delaminate or > have the oxide coating come off as you play it. The questions are: How old > can "new" tape be for > it to still be viable (assuming good storage conditions), it can degrade in 10 years, i've seen it, depends on storage conditions, definately avoid old ampex stock > and Does used tape > degrade faster once > it's been run through the machine and then put into storage for many years? I'd guess so, as the winding won't be as even. > Any specific advice would be welcome and especially any links to > websites that contain more > info. www.studiospares.com to see what the pro's use and see prices. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 05:01:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h548x0s16847; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:59:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:59:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c32a77$8905cf40$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Ableton Live Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:58:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use it to loop my fellow bandmembers on the fly. It's not an EDP/JamMan kind of thing, though you can get looping VST plugins and use them in Live as well... You can get a free CD of what we've done with this stuff from http://www.darkroom-freefall.org/ cheers, os. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reid Maxwell" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Ableton Live > Anybody using this software. I am suprised I have not seen one post about > this since I joined the list. > What's up? > > Reid > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 06:38:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54AYjK22016; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c32a84$e8dc30a0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <005a01c32a2c$1637f740$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: community,styles;names "a scene" Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:06:07 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pardon but doesn't the Knitting Factory provide some kind of high-speed linkup? What other clubs/venues do this as well? Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! "Doug Cox" put forth: > Maybe you could find an internet café and invite some of us cyber-citizens > to join in? Living out here in the boondocks as I do, I have found the net, > and especially LD, my lifeline to culture and an invaluable conduit to some > like-minded loopy folks like yourselves..... > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > Now that's a cool idea. > > You SF guys have them ding-dang cyber cafe thangies, dontcha? If you had > one meeting a month at one, it might make for a hell of a fun chat session. > > Otherwise, could we coordinate an online chat session periodically? I think > that would be fun. > > Doug > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 06:50:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54AmVa23255; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:48:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:48:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c32a86$d5b37cc0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <30806ED3-9653-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Beware Cafe Press! Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:48:15 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <15Qq4D.A.OrF._5c3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Mark Sottilaro" put forth: > I just found out that Cafe Press has recently changed its user > agreement from good to evil. If you have anything for sale there, I > urge you to get it off now, because they now feel that because they > sell your designs there *they own them*. Not good. > > Details here: > > http://www.giveneyestosee.com/say-no-to-cafepress/ While it is not immediately evident that they've gone "evil" I admit some concern, having had my own logo online there for several years. This segment of the agreement is interesting, and worth dissecting, with my comments: "6.1 CafePress.com will solely and exclusively own all intellectual property and other rights, title and interest in and to the CafePress.com Service" Such should be expected, as it's THEIR service, and they own the contents of it. That is, the stuff that's THEIR stuff... But wait... "...and CafePress.com will have the sole and exclusive right to obtain trademark and copyright registrations, patents and other protection therefor, and you will not acquire any right, title or interest therein, under this Agreement or otherwise." Anyone has the right to obtain TM and Copyright registrations, of course. But somehow this smells quite a bit like the so-called "Music Online Competition Act of 2001" (remember that attempt to steal our music folks?). In MOCA, it was muddily stated that if you don't register with the copyright office, ANYONE has the right to register YOUR work as THEIRS without telling the content creator/owner. It is of course not necessary for people to register with the copyright office in order to have the copyright on their works (but it works a lot more than a registered, unopened letter with your work in it sent to yourself, should one go to court). As anyone with half a brain can tell, this is prohibitive to folks who can't afford legal fees and registration costs, at least - and, most likely, BY DESIGN. So under the above, CafePress.com reserves the right to register copyright as well as trademarks for YOUR WORK. After which, you have no rights whatsoever. As if this wasn't enough of a gag for artists... "6.2 You hereby grant to CafePress.com a royalty-free, worldwide, nonexclusive, right and license to use the trademarks, trade names, designs, logos and other images that you upload to your image basket in connection with your use of the CafePress.com Service ("Party Marks"). If you or CafePress.com terminate your account, CafePress.com will cease its use of the Party Marks within 90 days of the termination." Sounds just like mp3.com, doesn't it? And just as unacceptable as their own "Standard Big Five" approach to music, as far as I'm concerned. Shame, really. Though it seems to me that someone else will pick up the slack, and establish an online presence for this same purpose without trying to steal our work. Hopefully. I'm just glad that I didn't launch my cartoons up there, as I was about to next month. NOW! As if this weren't enough impetus for anyone to yank their content off their system immediately, I tried to track down the owner of the CafePress.com domain - which is listed at Network Solutions as fred@freddurham.com. I sent off the following, in hopes of some kind of lead, if not an answer: Dear Fred, I tracked down your email address from a whois for cafepress.com. Having read up on the new user agreements for cafepress.com I have to verify what I believe to be true, before going any further. Is CafePress assuming the right to register copyrights or trademarks on images or music posted on its service, without notification to the creators of that content, or not? It seems that paragraphs 6.1 and 6.2 indeed say this. I would appreciate your response, as I and others need to see this in clear English from the owner of the CafePress domain. Thank you, and I look forward to hearing from you immediately. Guess what? It came back undeliverable, as there IS NO 'FRED' address at that domain. So I go look at the whois report for freddurham.com - and the owning domain is (you guessed, didn't you?) cafepress.com - listing, of course, the invalid email address shown above. This kind of cross-purpose obfuscation has in the past been the device of spammers and spammers' ISPs. It is then my hope that nobody at CafePress has taken steps to steal my frigging logo, which has been on their system for nearly three years. But is off as of this morning. I therefore urge you to pull any material you may have with them, and terminate your agreement as soon as humanly possible. As Mick Jagger said after Axel "Drunks and Posers" Rose left the stage of the "Terrifying" tour (following his evisceration of "Let's Drink to the Hard-working People"), "So much for that." Thanks Mark. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 07:23:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54BLU025541; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:21:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:21:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.167.163.62] X-Originating-Email: [coramcalebur@hotmail.com] From: "Marco Brucale" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Delay plugins help Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:21:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 11:21:23.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E855B40:01C32A8B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Os" >Subject: Re: Ableton Live >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:58:58 +0100 > >I use it to loop my fellow bandmembers on the fly. It's not an EDP/JamMan >kind of thing, though you can get looping VST plugins and use them in Live >as well... Hi everybody, I'm a total newcomer here. I'm interested in electronic-ambient music and I plan to put together some kind of pc-based looping system. I specifically look for real time multiple stereo delays with sufficiently long delay times, around 20-30 seconds. Does anyone know if there are VST or RTAS plugins that do this? Thank you! _________________________________________________________________ Invia messaggi istantanei gratuitamente! http://www.msn.it/messenger/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 07:56:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54Bs8o27736; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:54:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:54:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:54:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: in London Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi brave english loopers I will arrive in London on Friday and stay with Steve Lawson and Renu (the not yet looping tabla/percussion player). Later on maybe visit Andy Butler or Geoff, be with Rick and Stuart and go to the Cambridge loop festival on 21. Then back to CH. So we have some time and some options to BrotherSync if anyone is up to it! Also: it would be handy to borrow a rack of about 5 units, does anyone know where I could get one for this time? see you! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 08:13:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54CB8B29165; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:11:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:11:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054727728!30934 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB108@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: help!!-- mysterious signal chain interactions Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:54:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32A90.0B8504F0" Resent-Message-ID: <7GQbzD.A.lHH.cHe3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32A90.0B8504F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Here's my setup-- I run my bass into a multi-effects processor and a delay box, and then use a splitter to create two signal chains that each have their own looper and each feed a separate amp/ speaker combination. And here's the kind of thing that happens: I make a loop on the EDP on chain 1. I play along with the loop for awhile. I switch to chain 2 and make a loop on the DL4. I go back to chain 1 to play live through that amp/ speaker (with the EDP loop still playing) BUT . . . when I start playing on chain 1 (with the loop still playing), this time my live playing volume is way way down from what it was before I added the chain 2 loop. << how are you doing the switching? a passive a-b box? we've noticed that the dl4 will do odd things to the "direct" level depending how the mix control is set and also if it has both inputs connected.... what parts of the signal path are in circuit when you play "live" through the system? presumably, your "live playing volume" is one or both of the looping paths with partial bypass by means of a mix control somewhere; I'd imagine that this is changing when you've created a loop on either box and have it mixed with the live instrument.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32A90.0B8504F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" help!!-- mysterious signal chain interactions  >> Here's my setup-- I run my bass into a multi-effects processor and a delay box, and then use a splitter to create two signal chains that each have their own looper and each feed a separate amp/ speaker combination.

And here's the kind of thing that happens:

I make a loop on the EDP on chain 1.

I play along with the loop for awhile.

I switch to chain 2 and make a loop on the DL4.

I go back to chain 1 to play live through that amp/ speaker (with the EDP loop still playing)

BUT . . .  when I start playing on chain 1 (with the loop still playing), this time my live playing volume is way way down from what it was before I added the chain 2 loop. <<
 
how are you doing the switching? a passive a-b box? 
we've noticed that the dl4 will do odd things to the "direct" level depending how the mix control is set and also if it has both inputs connected....
what parts of the signal path are in circuit when you play "live" through the system? presumably, your "live playing volume" is one or both of the looping paths with partial bypass by means of a mix control somewhere; I'd imagine that this is changing when you've created a loop on either box and have it mixed with the live instrument....
 
duncan.


***************************************************************************
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************
 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32A90.0B8504F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 08:41:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54CdMG31370; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:39:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030604123916.4464.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 05:39:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1054702090.2758.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dave Stagner wrote: > I suspect many of you are in the same boat. Do you > play alone because you like it that way, or because > no one else will play with you? I think a lot of us probably do both. But, as I noted in that 'instrumentalist vs. looper' thread a week or two ago, the approach differs considerably. When I play with a larger group of musicians, I tend to try to keep my parts much sparser to help do my part to keep the cacaphony under control. This usually means that I do a lot less loopage, or often none at all if that's what the situation calls for. In a looping situation, though, I'm wearing more hats simultaneously, and that calls for an entirely different mindset. I think my favorite situation is improvisatory looping with one other musician, especially if we're not playing the same instrument. I enjoy the interplay, bouncing ideas off of each other, hanging back to let the direction mutate... Playing alone there's no interpersonal feedback; sometimes this works well for me, but other times it can be disconcerting when the improv-muse bails. Playing in a larger group where several people are layering loops can quickly get out of hand unless the players are extraordinarily disciplined and/or there's someone acting as bandleader/conductor and/or there's some pre-agreed-upon system like Zorn's COBRA or something like that. I'm an hour north of Boston; anyone (especially a percussionist or a bassist) wanna collaborate? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 09:24:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54DLMf02418; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 09:21:27 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Beware Cafe Press! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3EDB4F57.5000602@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 References: <30806ED3-9653-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the heads-up. I have cancelled my account there. Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I just found out that Cafe Press has recently changed its user > agreement from good to evil. If you have anything for sale there, I > urge you to get it off now, because they now feel that because they > sell your designs there *they own them*. Not good. > > Details here: > > http://www.giveneyestosee.com/say-no-to-cafepress/ > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 10:51:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54Egio09138; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:42:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:42:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EDE055D.1090406@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:42:37 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD T Shirt Project (Sample) References: <200306041052.h54Aq7d23644@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200306041052.h54Aq7d23644@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greeting LD'ers, I finally got a sample printing from the t-shirt guy, and it can be viewed here (temporarily): http://gisweb.cabq.gov/shirt/shirt.htm This year, he didnt actually print the sample on a shirt, rather a small piece of cloth... guess the economy is down all over, but the photos show how the shirts will look. Hanes Beefy-T like last time, but only one color this year, Black! Kim should be getting this info on the LD site shortly, but until then here are the specifics... Order Deadline June 18th Costs For Each Shirt: Shirt + USA Priority Shipping $20.00 Shirt + Mexico/Canada Global Priority $23.00 Shirt + Other Global Priority $25.00 XXL and XXXL add $1.00 Per shirt Paypal to: jfink@cabq.gov If you dont/wont Paypal, contact me directly about payment. I figure 6 weeks after the deadline for printing and packing logistics, but it might be sooner. Proceedes from this fund raiser sent directly to Kim to defray Loopers Delight administrative costs. Looking into getting Long Sleeve shirts printed, but do not have any cost info yet, email me if you are interested. I am going to Georgia this evening, and returning in 7 days. I hope to keep up with email at Mom's house, but who knows when you are swamping around the Okefenokee? I hate to announce this project and the head out of town, but the time was now! Please be understanding if I am unable to reply right away. -jas Albuquerque http://www.zebox.com/dimbulb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 11:33:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54FTkr13838; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: LD T Shirt Project (Sample) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:30:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c32aae$413b7e80$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3EDE055D.1090406@cabq.gov> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zow! I just placed my order! Much thanks, Jason. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 11:38:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54FUEm13900; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:30:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: LD T Shirt Project (Sample) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:30:13 -0500 Message-ID: <007a01c32aae$31eba9f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3EDE055D.1090406@cabq.gov> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow. $20 for a shirt and all that gear? cool... > > http://gisweb.cabq.gov/shirt/shirt.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 11:45:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54Fgqq15134; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:42:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:42:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EDE1375.4030603@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 09:42:45 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD T SHIRT ORDERS References: <200306041052.h54Aq7d23644@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200306041052.h54Aq7d23644@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dont forget to include your mailing address and shirt size with your order! -jas Albuquerque http://zebox.com/dimbulb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 13:20:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54HF6x23344; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:15:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:15:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:05:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Delay plugins help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:21 AM +0000 6/4/03, Marco Brucale wrote: >I specifically look for real time multiple stereo delays with >sufficiently long delay times, around 20-30 seconds. >Does anyone know if there are VST or RTAS plugins that do this? You can do this in Max/MSP. I haven't checked for availability of standalone "long delay" plug-ins made with Max, but I just threw together a simple delay patch using the tapin~ and tapout~ objects and was able to get a 30 second delay. In fact, I was also able to get a 120 second delay! An advantage to using tapin~ and tapout~ is that one tapin~ object can be attached to multiple tapout~ objects, each of which could be routed to its own audio output or effects chain. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 14:00:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54HgPL25504; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:42:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:42:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: Repeater FS (+ other electrix gear lust items) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:42:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c32ac0$ac4b4f90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <007a01c32aae$31eba9f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a spring clean for the may er... june queen. i have decided to sell my repeater for cash flow reasons. including simpletech 128M card and usb reader. i also have all the electrix stuff and will consider selling any of it. my thinking was that i would make a compact loop station with it all but most of these have been sitting unused since i bought them. all are like new with original boxes, docs, etc... will be going to ebay if no real loopers are interested. [it's okay if you are not a real LiveLooper(tm)...] so -repeater +card +reader. -mofx -filter factory -warp factory -filter queen -eq killer buy them all and your gear lust will be satiated for minutes! reasonable offers considered. carpe diem. e pluribus unim. and so forth... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 14:05:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54I04V26925; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:00:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:00:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:04:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3137598248_312458_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3137598248_312458_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for that Richard, I will correct this. I remember you instructing me to look at the music of Daniel Lentz and I think Carl Stone, I didn't get a chance to look at that much of their music, I would be interested to know what else you thought I left out of my history. It was hard for me to include everything due to 10000word limit and also the fact that I was looking at this for the first time and I therefore had to learn everything which took a lot of time. If it were a book of the history what other chapters should there be. I would like very much for people to tell me what i left out as I am now extremely interested in this subject. Talking to Jim Fulkerson about the contemporary classical side of Looping was really interesting and there is clearly a whole world of artists I haven't looked at. I hope I get to talk with him again as he is a really incredible guy, very funny too. I almost wish i hadn't re-written my introduction to include the idea of 'genre' in Live-Looping and left it as a history. It has been almost like a thorn in my side, because I am really interested in the history, and most of my time has been spent talking about genre. I still hope you write a book. Geoff on 4/6/03 4:33 am, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: At 6:21 PM +0100 5/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote: His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley's first attempts at live looping, "with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an Echoplex, a primitive electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated in an ever accumulating counterpoint against itself" 1 1 p98 Potter, Keith. Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press 2000) At 8:14 PM +0100 5/27/03, Geoff Smith wrote: No I didn't confirm to this, as the book is so recent and thorough I though it would be true. I've just bought Potter's book and gone through the section on Mescalin Mix. The use of the two mono Wollensack decks is described as being used in creating early versions of the piece for Ann Halprin's dance company. A final polished version is described as being produced with Ramon Sender's help, and this is where the Echoplex is mentioned. In one of his e-mails to me, Ramon mentioned using an "Echoplex-type" device at the SF Conservatory, though he apparently used this to achieve reverberation effects. So it seems probable to me that Terry did the layering for "Mescalin Mix" with the original Wollensacks and then added some reverb with Ramon's whatever-the-heck-it-was for some additional effects. I'll have to bring this up next time I see Ramon, but it's really a small detail in the present context. --MS_Mac_OE_3137598248_312458_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Thanks for that Richard,
I will correct this.
I remember you instructing me to look at the music of Daniel Lentz and I th= ink Carl Stone, I didn't get a chance to look at that much of their music, I= would be interested to know what else you thought I left out of my history.= It was hard for me to include everything due to 10000word limit and also th= e fact that I was looking at this for the first time and I therefore had to = learn everything which took a lot of time.
If it were a book of the history what other chapters should there be.
I would like very much for people to tell me what i left out as I am now ex= tremely interested in this subject.
Talking to Jim Fulkerson about the contemporary classical side of Looping w= as really interesting and there is clearly a whole world of artists I haven'= t looked at. I hope I get to talk with him again as he is a really incredibl= e guy, very funny too.

I almost wish i hadn't re-written my introduction to include the idea of 'g= enre' in Live-Looping and left it as a history. It has been almost like a th= orn in my side, because I am really interested in the history, and most of m= y time has been spent talking about genre.
I still hope you write a book.
Geoff
 
on 4/6/03 4:33 am, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:

At 6:21 PM +0100 5/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote:
His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley's first attemp= ts at live looping, "with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an E= choplex, a primitive electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated = in an ever accumulating counterpoint against itself" 1

1 p98 Potter, Keith. Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge = University Press 2000)

At 8:14 PM +0100 5/27/03, Geoff Smith wrote:
No I didn't confirm to this, as the book is so recent and thoro= ugh I though it would be true.

I've just bought Potter's book and gone through the section on Mescalin Mix= . The use of the two mono Wollensack decks is described as being used in cre= ating early versions of the piece for Ann Halprin's dance company. A final p= olished version is described as being produced with Ramon Sender's help, and= this is where the Echoplex is mentioned. In one of his e-mails to me, Ramon= mentioned using an "Echoplex-type" device at the SF Conservatory,= though he apparently used this to achieve reverberation effects.

So it seems probable to me that Terry did the layering for "Mescalin M= ix" with the original Wollensacks and then added some reverb with Ramon= 's whatever-the-heck-it-was for some additional effects. I'll have to bring = this up next time I see Ramon, but it's really a small detail in the present= context.

--MS_Mac_OE_3137598248_312458_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 14:14:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54IBAY27777; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:11:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:11:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:15:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Reel to reel quality From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030603191306.16534.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > In one large step backwards, I recently took the plunge and purchased an Otari > 8 track Me too I use a tascam 8track reel-to reel because I got sick of the site of my computer. The creative reasons for using a reel to reel are quite compelling too, especially as u can use the insert function from a footswitch!!!!!!! One of the reasons I became so interested in the edp was because it offers me the options I like that are associated with sequencers, combine it with the reel to reel and i don't need my computer. For the record my computer has pro-tools 6 and digital performer 2.7 but I prefer the reel to reel and my echoplex's ohhh yeah and i use ampex 456 tape an dit sounds phat! Geoff > ($14,000 a decade or two ago, nowadays cheaper than recording software) I'm > looking to purchase > some blank tape for it, both for professional recording and also for recording > rehearsals. I've > been looking at Ampex/Quantgy 456 just because I know it's an industry > standard. So two > questions: > > 1) Is 456 really the way to go? Or are there other high quality tapes out > there that would > serve me well? Does it depend on the application? I'm recording mostly > electronic music along > with a fair amount of musique concrete. By electronic music, I mean modern > day synths and analog > and digital processors. > > 2) On eBay there are many auctions for used tape that has been bulk > demagnitized as well as > "new" tape that is several years or decades old. I am aware of the difference > in quality between > virgin and demagnitized tape, and I am also aware of 25 year old tape starting > to delaminate or > have the oxide coating come off as you play it. The questions are: How old > can "new" tape be for > it to still be viable (assuming good storage conditions), and Does used tape > degrade faster once > it's been run through the machine and then put into storage for many years? > > I'm looking for both 1/4" and 1/2" reels (10.5") > > Any specific advice would be welcome and especially any links to websites that > contain more > info. > > TIA, > > Stephen > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 14:18:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54I5eA27426; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:05:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:05:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:09:36 +0100 Subject: Re: in London From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's always a spare bed/room (double!!) at my house in Devon for u. Failing that me and my partner will be in cambridge for the 21st. I am excited as this will be my first dedicated all night live-looping gig. cheers Geoff. on 4/6/03 12:54 pm, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > Hi brave english loopers > > I will arrive in London on Friday and stay with Steve Lawson and Renu > (the not yet looping tabla/percussion player). Later on maybe visit > Andy Butler or Geoff, be with Rick and Stuart and go to the Cambridge > loop festival on 21. Then back to CH. > > So we have some time and some options to BrotherSync if anyone is up to it! > > Also: it would be handy to borrow a rack of about 5 units, does > anyone know where I could get one for this time? > > see you! > Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 14:21:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54IHSb28643; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:17:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:17:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater FS (+ other electrix gear lust items) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:17:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 18:17:22.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AC4E7F0:01C32AC5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Im not sure if you would prefare me to contact you off list, but I sure as hell am interested, where abouts do you live? Im in the UK is there any cance you could tell me how much post will be? would be a shame to have to wrestle for it on ebay. please get in touch Phill testtubemicro@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 14:25:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54IC5D27867; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:12:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c32ac4$988deae0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: LaFosse/Walker/Lawson recordings... Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:10:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could the guy who did all the recordings of the tour we did in January please drop me a line - sorry I didn't get your name... thanks! Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 14:39:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54IPjg30213; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Let's cause a scene! (scroll down for survey question) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:18:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c32ac5$c1cd0a70$650a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030602183833.60514.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 2:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! (scroll down for survey question) > ************************************************** > > How many people have as a result of being on the > Looper's Delight mailing list have: > 1) Gotten gigs you wouldn't otherwise have gotten? Yup. > 2) Travelled to and/or performed at an event > planned/described on-list? (eg. Loopstock, one of > Rick Walker's events, etc.) Yup. Flew from Boston to CA to attend Loopstock 2k2. > 3) Socialized and/or collaborated with other > listmembers? Every chance I get. > 4) Influenced musicians you already knew to become > listmembers or take up looping? Ongoing effort ... ;-) > 5) Met your significant other? Funny you ask. In fact, I met my partner on the plane from Boston to CA to attend Loopstock 2k2!!! If I hadn't decided to attend Loopstock 2k2, and my girlfriend hadn't been visiting her brother in Boston when her place got robbed in SanFran (forcing her to cut her Boston visit short and return to SanFran on short notice), I can't see how we would have ever met. So here's to Hans *clink*, thanks for the wonderful girl ;-) > In my case, I'm five for five; I'd say LD's been a > pretty significant part of my concept of 'community'. > > -t- Me too. I've also grown much farther as a looping musician as a direct result of the loop performances I've attended/co-organized/performed at. Let's hear it for zeitgeist and gestalt! *burp* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 14:39:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54IPie30183; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:25:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Repeater FS (+ other electrix gear lust items) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:25:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c32ac6$b95d0c40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, please guys keep replies off list... should have specified, sorry. > > Im not sure if you would prefare me to contact you off list, >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 14:41:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54IYFc31719; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:34:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:34:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: best DL 4 Exp Pedal Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:34:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 18:34:08.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2DB0990:01C32AC7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I was lucky enough to win myself a DL - 4 off ebay this week, sorry if I sniped anyone on list, i NEEDED it!!!! I was jut wondering if you can use any standard expression pedal , E.G. the type ive currantly got plugged into my Zoom 505 or if you need a specific Line 6 one (which will probably cost a bomb) Does anyone have any recomendations for things to try on it? just looking for other peoples techniques aand fave setups. hope to hear from you all soon Phill _________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 14:43:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54IYFv31744; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:34:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:34:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: best DL 4 Exp Pedal Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:34:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 18:34:09.0423 (UTC) FILETIME=[E32531F0:01C32AC7] Resent-Message-ID: <75emCD.A.3vH.nuj3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I was lucky enough to win myself a DL - 4 off ebay this week, sorry if I sniped anyone on list, i NEEDED it!!!! I was jut wondering if you can use any standard expression pedal , E.G. the type ive currantly got plugged into my Zoom 505 or if you need a specific Line 6 one (which will probably cost a bomb) Does anyone have any recomendations for things to try on it? just looking for other peoples techniques aand fave setups. hope to hear from you all soon Phill _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 15:17:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54JDEw03700; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:13:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:13:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: Subject: FS: Hardware sequencer - RM1x Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:13:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 19:13:07.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[54EDAAB0:01C32ACD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're thinking of taking your studio midi compositions out and on to the stage, this is the easiest and best unit to do it with. RM1x ----------------------- $350 plus shipping. - 16 tracks - 16 patterns in each set, button switchable - remembers mutes between patterns - real time on the fly transposing, time shifting - 2 master mute/play buttons (1-8/9-16) - reads midi files via floppy disk (much better than xl-7) - 16th note pattern switching (perfect for stutter/breakbeat style playing) - great external midi implementation, 8 CC knobs. - internal soundset with bass boost (great for sub bass tones) http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/rm1x/ http://www.markarber.freeserve.co.uk/ http://www.rm1x.net/ http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~h.megens/rm1x/ bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 15:33:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54JQ8q05135; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:26:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:26:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c32ace$9a0982d0$0100a8c0@win2000> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: which topics now ? Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:22:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9Y5Jz.A.GQB.Qfk3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there ! which is the discussion keeping you busy in these last months ? luca ------------------------------ www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 15:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54JlbN07021; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:45:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1157366441==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1157366441==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:04 PM +0100 6/4/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >Thanks for that Richard, >I will correct this. It's a really minor thing in the grand scheme of things! You realize this is out on the main list! I have not problem with that, but it's your choice whether to continue this off-list. >I remember you instructing me to look at the music of Daniel Lentz >and I think Carl Stone, I didn't get a chance to look at that much >of their music, I would be interested to know what else you thought >I left out of my history. The importance of various composers and performers depends a lot on the scope of such a history. We've seen recently how invested some people are in the differences between various "schools" or "categories" or "genres" or "styles" of mediated-repetitive music. I think for a history focusing on live looping in the sense of on-the-spot recording and playback there are certain people who might be less significant as direct influences. For instance, Daniel Lentz: To my knowledge there was no improvisational element to his delay-based work, but it certainly was some of the most elaborate real-time composed delay music. I'd go so far as to say that his compositions are the most precisely crafted and executed of any music based on the mechanism of real-time recording and playback. As to Carl Stone's work, most of it is not loop music in a conventional sense, but he was one of the first to use extreme instances of multiply-layered recorded material (using analog tape), live phrase sampling (using a Publison), turntablist/glitch improvisation (again with a Publison, but more recently with Max/MSP). It's also essential to loop at Hugh LeCaine's work. His loop-based performance instruments were among the first real looping instruments (though they were preceded by the ORTF devices and others). He carried this development through several design iterations, and he was influential on others (such as Pauline Oliveros). >It was hard for me to include everything due to 10000word limit If there were to be a book, or a journal article, this might be relaxed. >Talking to Jim Fulkerson about the contemporary classical side of >Looping was really interesting and there is clearly a whole world of >artists I haven't looked at. I think one can find many different "contemporary classical side[s]" depending on who one talks to. There have been many pockets of activity and often the practitioners were only tangentially (if at all) aware of each other's work. A lot of people may have done a few experimental pieces and moved on to other ideas. This happens all the time in artists' development. There are probably a lot of pieces floating around (or now lost to all but a few people's memories). Some of these may have been influential on a small number of composers, but you'll probably never know about them. For instance, here are two of my own experiences: 1) In the summer of 1967 I spent an afternoon with a group of friends smoking enormous amounts of dope while listening to the newly-released Sgt. Pepper's album playing over and over on an auto-reverse tape deck. During this time, or host (a very well-known figure in the computer music and digital audio world, who at that time was an undergraduate at MIT) also played a tape piece he had created from the countoffs from many recordings by the Beatles and others. The basic "ground" pattern was the "one...two...three...four..." from Taxman, and I think I also remember counts from I Saw Her Standing There, Sgt. Pepper's (reprise), Woolly Bully, and others. 2) In 1976 I saw a demonstration of tape delay techniques at the Audio Engineering Society convention in Los Angeles. Besides the well-loved dual deck method, one of the tricks shown was a technique of quickly placing a machine into reverse playback mode by simply rethreading the tape the wrong way around the capstan. I used this on one of my own pieces by running a normal dual-deck 4-track delay during the first 2/3 of a piece, then stopping and rethreading before playing the tape back at double speed through the remaining 1/3. These were small influences on my compositional thought, and it seems unlikely that these experiences were also influential on other composers. I think there are a lot of similar situations, all of which added together result in a set of related ideas being "in the air." >I almost wish i hadn't re-written my introduction to include the >idea of 'genre' in Live-Looping and left it as a history. It has >been almost like a thorn in my side, because I am really interested >in the history, and most of my time has been spent talking about >genre. I don't think it's wasted, but it is a can o' worms whenever you try to impose a sense of order or "theory" on an organically evolving practice (or collection thereof). >I still hope you write a book. Show me the money! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1157366441==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3
At 7:04 PM +0100 6/4/03, Geoff Smith wrote:
Thanks for that Richard,
I will correct this.

It's a really minor thing in the grand scheme of things!

You realize this is out on the main list! I have not problem with that, but it's your choice whether to continue this off-list.

I remember you instructing me to look at the music of Daniel Lentz and I think Carl Stone, I didn't get a chance to look at that much of their music, I would be interested to know what else you thought I left out of my history.

The importance of various composers and performers depends a lot on the scope of such a history. We've seen recently how invested some people are in the differences between various "schools" or "categories" or "genres" or "styles" of mediated-repetitive music. I think for a history focusing on live looping in the sense of on-the-spot recording and playback there are certain people who might be less significant as direct influences.

For instance, Daniel Lentz: To my knowledge there was no improvisational element to his delay-based work, but it certainly was some of the most elaborate real-time composed delay music. I'd go so far as to say that his compositions are the most precisely crafted and executed of any music based on the mechanism of real-time recording and playback.

As to Carl Stone's work, most of it is  not loop music in a conventional sense, but he was one of the first to use extreme instances of multiply-layered recorded material (using analog tape), live phrase sampling (using a Publison), turntablist/glitch improvisation (again with a Publison, but more recently with Max/MSP).

It's also essential to loop at Hugh LeCaine's work. His loop-based performance instruments were among the first real looping instruments (though they were preceded by the ORTF devices and others). He carried this development through several design iterations, and he was influential on others (such as Pauline Oliveros).


It was hard for me to include everything due to 10000word limit

If there were to be a book, or a journal article, this might be relaxed.

Talking to Jim Fulkerson about the contemporary classical side of Looping was really interesting and there is clearly a whole world of artists I haven't looked at.

I think one can find many different "contemporary classical side[s]" depending on who one talks to. There have been many pockets of activity and often the practitioners were only tangentially (if at all) aware of each other's work. A lot of people may have done a few experimental pieces and moved on to other ideas. This happens all the time in artists' development.

There are probably a lot of pieces floating around (or now lost to all but a few people's memories). Some of these may have been influential on a small number of composers, but you'll probably never know about them.

For instance, here are two of my own experiences:

1) In the summer of 1967 I spent an afternoon with a group of friends smoking enormous amounts of dope while listening to the newly-released Sgt. Pepper's album playing over and over on an auto-reverse tape deck. During this time, or host (a very well-known figure in the computer music and digital audio world, who at that time was an undergraduate at MIT) also played a tape piece he had created from the countoffs from many recordings by the Beatles and others. The basic "ground" pattern was the "one...two...three...four..." from Taxman, and I think I also remember counts from I Saw Her Standing There, Sgt. Pepper's (reprise), Woolly Bully, and others.

2) In 1976 I saw a demonstration of tape delay techniques at the Audio Engineering Society convention in Los Angeles. Besides the well-loved dual deck method, one of the tricks shown was a technique of quickly placing a machine into reverse playback mode by simply rethreading the tape the wrong way around the capstan. I used this on one of my own pieces by running a normal dual-deck  4-track delay during the first 2/3 of a piece, then stopping and rethreading before playing the tape back at double speed through the remaining 1/3.

These were small influences on my compositional thought, and it seems unlikely that these experiences were also influential on other composers. I think there are a lot of similar situations, all of which added together result in a set of related ideas being "in the air."


I almost wish i hadn't re-written my introduction to include the idea of 'genre' in Live-Looping and left it as a history. It has been almost like a thorn in my side, because I am really interested in the history, and most of my time has been spent talking about genre.

I don't think it's wasted, but it is a can o' worms whenever you try to impose a sense of order or "theory" on an organically evolving practice (or collection thereof).

I still hope you write a book.

Show me the money!
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1157366441==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 16:27:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54KMjV09758; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:22:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:22:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:22:38 -0700 Subject: Re: FS: Hardware sequencer - RM1x Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4932450B-96CA-11D7-8B7C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a question: What sequencer "groovebox" type of device would you recommend for doing percussion with a non electronica euro/american bent? I'm talking Indian, Arabic, and African types of instruments. I'm OK with my Roland MC-307, but it's short on those types of sounds. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 12:13 PM, sserendipity wrote: > If you're thinking of taking your studio midi compositions out and on > to the > stage, this is the easiest and best unit to do it with. > > RM1x ----------------------- > > $350 plus shipping. > - 16 tracks > - 16 patterns in each set, button switchable > - remembers mutes between patterns > - real time on the fly transposing, time shifting > - 2 master mute/play buttons (1-8/9-16) > - reads midi files via floppy disk (much better than xl-7) > - 16th note pattern switching (perfect for stutter/breakbeat style > playing) > - great external midi implementation, 8 CC knobs. > - internal soundset with bass boost (great for sub bass tones) > > http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/rm1x/ > http://www.markarber.freeserve.co.uk/ > http://www.rm1x.net/ > http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~h.megens/rm1x/ > > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our > playlist, > I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play > music, so we're just playing automated music right now." > ------------ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 16:31:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54KSlQ10245; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:28:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:28:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:27:22 -0500 Subject: RE: LD T Shirt Project (Sample) From: ":: noise ::" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306041814.h54IENi28120@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello - is the design ONLY on the front this time? If that's the case I'll take one! adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 16:31:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54KSsS10282; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:28:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:28:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030604143507.007e7af0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:35:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! In-Reply-To: <002701c32a62$b62167b0$520cfc0c@amd> References: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <1054702090.2758.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course~, as a matter of fact, I was gonna reply to this suggesting the very same thing... -Write me, we'll talk... Smiles, Cara At 12:29 AM 6/4/03 -0600, you wrote: >> I suspect many of you are in the same boat. Do you play alone because >> you like it that way, or because no one else will play with you? > >I am interested in the solo thing for several reasons: > >1. The logistics of having a band are a major pain in the ass. This >includes, finding and keeping players, organizing rehearsals, making sure >everyone's happy with the material, has enough solo time, etc. > >2. Players who have the technical/musical ability to play what I would >write are most likely freelancing professionals, and as such are always in >search of the next big gig. I have been the guy in the band who secretly >planned to leave all along at the first opportunity, and I don't ever want >to be left high and dry. > >3. The challenge of really being able to get over all by yourself. Good >bandleaders know to surround themselves with great players, because it means >they have to carry less weight themselves. The one man band thing really >requires massive amounts of PRESENCE on every level. > >4. I am an only child, and as such am prone to the desire to have things my >own way and be the center of attention. :) > >Sometimes I feel supremely anti-social for going in the direction I'm going, >but I am a nomad by nature, and unfortunately it's very hard to transplant >an entire band. I've just spent the last two years living in Colorado, and >am now planning a move to NYC next fall. I don't know how long I'll stay, >but it probably won't be forever. > >I have been in original bands, and miss the experiences of rehearsals and >composing with others. I would like to go back to it, but as we all know >it's difficult to find the right people. > >It would be nice to have other solo weird artists around to bounce ideas off >of. I know I got a lot out of just going down and watching Jimmy George >stomp around on his Boomerang for a few minutes. Next I would like to put >in a visit to Cara Quinn, if she'll have me. > >-J > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 16:56:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54Kr9g12111; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Delay plugins help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:53:08 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06/04/2003 04:53:11 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0xJKgB.A.G9C.0wl3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:21 AM +0000 6/4/03, Marco Brucale wrote: >I specifically look for real time multiple stereo delays with >sufficiently long delay times, around 20-30 seconds. >Does anyone know if there are VST or RTAS plugins that do this? >From the Pluggo website: "Very Long Delay is a delay effect that can use a delay line of up to 30 seconds (if you have the memory). It has all the things you'd want in a delay, such as vibrato, a low-pass filter, and a resonant bandpass filter you can patch into the delay line with distortion. The bandpass filter mode is useful for creating background ambience effects that are semi-related to the input material. " dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 16:57:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54Kt3q12291; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:55:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:55:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <4932450B-96CA-11D7-8B7C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: FS: Hardware sequencer - RM1x Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:54:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 20:54:56.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E477D00:01C32ADB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think any off them are any good out of the box - the sounds aren't there. An xl-7/mp-7 and the "Earth" Rom chip for it would be the closest fit, but I'd get a sampler instead - especially if you have a box you are already happy with. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: Re: FS: Hardware sequencer - RM1x > Here's a question: > > What sequencer "groovebox" type of device would you recommend for doing > percussion with a non electronica euro/american bent? I'm talking > Indian, Arabic, and African types of instruments. I'm OK with my > Roland MC-307, but it's short on those types of sounds. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 12:13 PM, sserendipity wrote: > > > If you're thinking of taking your studio midi compositions out and on > > to the > > stage, this is the easiest and best unit to do it with. > > > > RM1x ----------------------- > > > > $350 plus shipping. > > - 16 tracks > > - 16 patterns in each set, button switchable > > - remembers mutes between patterns > > - real time on the fly transposing, time shifting > > - 2 master mute/play buttons (1-8/9-16) > > - reads midi files via floppy disk (much better than xl-7) > > - 16th note pattern switching (perfect for stutter/breakbeat style > > playing) > > - great external midi implementation, 8 CC knobs. > > - internal soundset with bass boost (great for sub bass tones) > > > > http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/rm1x/ > > http://www.markarber.freeserve.co.uk/ > > http://www.rm1x.net/ > > http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~h.megens/rm1x/ > > > > > > bIz > > > > ------------ > > http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our > > playlist, > > I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play > > music, so we're just playing automated music right now." > > ------------ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 16:59:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54Kp9Z11957; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:51:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:51:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EDE5C2B.238B9C6E@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:52:59 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: euro?american grovebox - Was Re: FS: Hardware sequencer References: <4932450B-96CA-11D7-8B7C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What sequencer "groovebox" type of device would you recommend for doing > percussion with a non electronica euro/american bent? I'm talking Indian, > Arabic, and African types of instruments. I'm OK with my Roland MC-307, > but it's short on those types of sounds. The only "groove" type tool I know of that is designed with those type of sounds in mind is the Roland Handsonic which is a bit more live playing oriented but it can certainly be used as a loop sequencer with user patterns and such. It is FILLED with Indian, Arabic, PanAsian percussion samples. I personally use a MC505. It's obvious bent is synth/techno/electronica but IMO it has a healthy sampling of other sounds as well including acoustic and world percussion. I don't know if the MC307 shares the same sample set as the MC505. For that matter I don't know if the MC505 contains all the sounds in the Handsonic (I seem to remember someone telling me it did but the Handsonic was just more upfront about it LOL) Might be worth an email or all to Roland. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 17:03:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54L1Fu12938; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:01:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:01:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Delay plugins help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:01:13 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06/04/2003 05:01:17 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops! Don't think this is a stereo delay...sorry! << At 11:21 AM +0000 6/4/03, Marco Brucale wrote: >I specifically look for real time multiple stereo delays with >sufficiently long delay times, around 20-30 seconds. >Does anyone know if there are VST or RTAS plugins that do this? >From the Pluggo website: "Very Long Delay is a delay effect that can use a delay line of up to 30 seconds (if you have the memory). It has all the things you'd want in a delay, such as vibrato, a low-pass filter, and a resonant bandpass filter you can patch into the delay line with distortion. The bandpass filter mode is useful for creating background ambience effects that are semi-related to the input material. " From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 17:08:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54L5KY13315; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:05:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c32adc$ca1ee560$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <006901c32ace$9a0982d0$0100a8c0@win2000> Subject: Re: which topics now ? Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:03:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com haha! Luca resubs are a few months away, oblivious to the near loopageddon that he just missed... check the archives... (ps - great to have you back! :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net > Hi there ! > which is the discussion keeping you busy in these last months ? > luca > - ---------------------------- > www.unguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 17:29:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54LQOO15299; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:26:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:26:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:25:12 -0700 Subject: Re: FS: Hardware sequencer - RM1x From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4932450B-96CA-11D7-8B7C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Option 1: Grab an Emu Planet Earth and sequence it from your MC-307. Downside is more stuff to carry around, less well integrated, etc.. Upside: You get samples of Rick's ethnic instrument collection. Option 2: Get an XL-7 or MP-7 and stick the Planet Earth ROM in it. Mark P.S. Though it sounds great, my Planet Earth gets essentially no use because I've never really gotten the whole MIDI studio thing going as much as I thought I would. In other words, I'd be willing to sell it for the right price. on 6/4/03 1:22 PM, mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Here's a question: > > What sequencer "groovebox" type of device would you recommend for doing > percussion with a non electronica euro/american bent? I'm talking > Indian, Arabic, and African types of instruments. I'm OK with my > Roland MC-307, but it's short on those types of sounds. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 17:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54LuRV18679; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:56:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:56:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:56:20 -0700 Subject: Re: euro?american grovebox - Was Re: FS: Hardware sequencer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EDE5C2B.238B9C6E@HelpWantedProductions.com> Message-Id: <60494E08-96D7-11D7-8B7C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, I've coveted the handsonic for a long time now, I'm just not a percussionist and $1K is a lot to spend on that. I'd sooner get a stand alone module or software to do it. I bet the answer is one of the Emu machines with their "world" soundcard addition Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 01:52 PM, legion@HelpWantedProductions.com wrote: >> What sequencer "groovebox" type of device would you recommend for >> doing >> percussion with a non electronica euro/american bent? I'm talking >> Indian, >> Arabic, and African types of instruments. I'm OK with my Roland >> MC-307, >> but it's short on those types of sounds. > > The only "groove" type tool I know of that is designed with those > type of > sounds in mind is the Roland Handsonic which is a bit more live > playing > oriented but it can certainly be used as a loop sequencer with user > patterns > and such. It is FILLED with Indian, Arabic, PanAsian percussion > samples. > > I personally use a MC505. It's obvious bent is > synth/techno/electronica but > IMO it has a healthy sampling of other sounds as well including > acoustic and > world percussion. I don't know if the MC307 shares the same sample set > as > the MC505. For that matter I don't know if the MC505 contains all the > sounds > in the Handsonic (I seem to remember someone telling me it did but the > Handsonic was just more upfront about it LOL) Might be worth an email > or all > to Roland. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 18:08:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54M4jO19548; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:04:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:04:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c32ae4$bf43af60$0100a8c0@win2000> From: "luca" To: References: <006901c32ace$9a0982d0$0100a8c0@win2000> <003701c32adc$ca1ee560$e0154ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: which topics now ? Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:59:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-2S6LD.A.TxE.9zm3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Original Message >From: "Steve Lawson" > haha! Luca resubs are a few months away, oblivious to the near loopageddon > that he just missed... I couldn't resist to pay a visit back to Ld, it always reminds me nice meetings/deep-divings. > check the archives... Grrrrr.... you shouldn't have said this, next time I meet you I'll cut you hair ! ;-) > (ps - great to have you back! :o) I don't know how long I will resist .... let's see what's happening here. In these last months I've that strange feeling I prefer talking and listening rather than writing and reading. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 18:33:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54MTmr21624; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:29:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: Re: LD T Shirt Project (Sample) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:29:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 22:29:42.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAD82CD0:01C32AE8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd really like a t-shirt that said 'unsubscribe' on the back.... bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: ":: noise ::" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: RE: LD T Shirt Project (Sample) > hello - > > is the design ONLY on the front this time? If that's the case I'll take one! > > adam > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 18:40:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h54Mcn022551; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:38:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:38:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013301c32ae9$da667480$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: LD T Shirt Project (Sample) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:37:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <7V-KVC.A.OgF.5Tn3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HA! me too. but we must be careful of the inside joke thing. funny though bIz! jg will unsubscribe work against us oh mighty list knowledge? ----- Original Message ----- From: sserendipity To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:29 PM Subject: Re: LD T Shirt Project (Sample) > I'd really like a t-shirt that said 'unsubscribe' on the back.... > > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals > sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's > not for me." > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ":: noise ::" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:27 PM > Subject: RE: LD T Shirt Project (Sample) > > > > hello - > > > > is the design ONLY on the front this time? If that's the case I'll take > one! > > > > adam > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 20:18:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h550GfY31568; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:16:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:16:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EDE8EBE.D0EC7DC4@erols.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:28:47 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: New Jersey Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy folks, Just wanted to let you know that this weekend will be the first public use of my EDP+(former DL-4 user). I've only had it for a week, but I can already do some stuff with it. I find that I learn to use my gear more thoroughly when I just set it up and go for it live. Anyway, both of these shows will feature myself on vocals, guitar, lap steel, and loops and James Smith on 6-string bass (lot's of cool solo compositions featuring tapping and creative use of effects ala Vic Wooten and Tony Levin) If you're in the area check it out. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com John Mazzarella: vocals/acoustic guitar/lap steel/loops James Smith: 6-string bass, www.bassdream.com Friday, June 6th , 8pm-11pm Sweet Dreams Café, solo looping show w/James Smith 42 Lincoln Place, Madison, NJ 973-377-2010 Saturday, June 7th, 8pm-11pm The Zen Den Café, solo looping show w/James Smith 96 Main Street, Woodbridge, NJ 732-634-9220 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 20:21:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h550KIh32016; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:20:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:20:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030605002012.34429.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: euro?american grovebox - Was Re: FS: Hardware sequencer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <60494E08-96D7-11D7-8B7C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or Acid with Ethnicity or Marc Anderson's World Percussion loops disc.... -t- --- mark wrote: > I bet the answer is one of the Emu machines with > their "world" > soundcard addition > On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 01:52 PM, > legion@HelpWantedProductions.com wrote: > > >> What sequencer "groovebox" type of device would > you recommend for > >> doing > >> percussion with a non electronica euro/american > bent? I'm talking > >> Indian, > >> Arabic, and African types of instruments __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 20:26:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h550PJP32472; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:25:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c32af8$f114bcf0$2f9f5b0c@gardner4njmx9q> From: "redrum123" To: Subject: Echoplex DP - where??? Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:25:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd really love to get my hands on one of the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro's that seems to get raved about. Problem is, I can't find one for less than 750$, and I'm a poor college student. Searching of the list comes up with messages from 1996/7 about Nadine's selling them for 500$, if this is still a deal can someone post the phone number?? (internet searching has failed). Otherwise, what's the best price/source of the elusive beast? I wish I could find more information about looping... I don't know a lot of the technical buzzwords, I feel pretty lost about this whole thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 20:27:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h550QZK32563; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:26:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:26:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:26:29 -0700 Subject: Re: New Jersey Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EDE8EBE.D0EC7DC4@erols.com> Message-Id: <59B9B89E-96EC-11D7-8B7C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3UvMcC.A.q8H.74o3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 05:28 PM, John Mazzarella wrote: > I've only had it for a week, but I can already do some stuff with > it. I find that I learn to use my gear more thoroughly when I just > set it up and go for it live. That's often a mark of well designed gear. I took my echo pro out to a gig the day I got it! I plugged it in around noon, fooled with its basic loop tools a bit and took it to the show that started at 3:00 I'm going to have to dig that bad boy out again and see what I can do with it. Has anyone had luck using it in delay mode synced to a MIDI clock with a feedback at 100% to do shorter "loops"? The reason I ask is because I've got a vocalist coming to jam on Sunday and she'll need some sort of looping device and I no longer have my second Repeater. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 20:34:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h550XMf00972; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030605003316.65551.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: which topics now ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006901c32ace$9a0982d0$0100a8c0@win2000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3KZFrB.A.EP.S_o3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let's see: we've pretty much been talking about what can happen if one smokes marijuana before reading the dictionary to try to come up with a descriptive name to call all of the music created by anyone who uses a looping device. Welcome back! We're all trying to find a central location to meet for drinks/coffee/loopsolidarity. -t- --- luca wrote: > which is the discussion keeping you busy in these > last months ? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 20:37:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h550agD01324; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:36:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:36:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:36:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Echoplex DP - where??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002301c32af8$f114bcf0$2f9f5b0c@gardner4njmx9q> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3z1TzC.A.jU.ZCp3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're not going to find that price for an EDP.. probably ever. Not sure why, but they seem to go on ebay for about the same price as they go for new, which always amazes me. On the other hand, there are still some tools out there that are cheaper that do a good job of looping. You might want to look for a Lexicon JamMan. Those often can be found cheaper. Line6 DL4s are also selling for about $250 and they're a good starter looper. Maybe the Boomerang too, but I haven't followed it's price. Good luck, I'm sure you'll end up having a great time looping no matter what! Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 05:25 PM, redrum123 wrote: > I'd really love to get my hands on one of the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex > Digital Pro's that seems to get raved about. Problem is, I can't find > one > for less than 750$, and I'm a poor college student. Searching of the > list > comes up with messages from 1996/7 about Nadine's selling them for 500$ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 4 22:38:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h552apY16326; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:36:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:36:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 03:58:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: a historic show! Cc: Stuart Wyatt , Renu , GarySHall@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi friends! We just came back from a unique show on the rooftop of the Culture house of Stockholm, where Per, me, Per Åhlin on noise (Korg modular...), Matthias Nord on Reason live programmed drumming, Gustaf Hielm of Meshuggah with his funky 8 string bass and a Roland looper and Jair-Rôhm Parker Wells bowed upright bass and DL4, so that makes six and we did not create any confusion but two hours of very colorfull and humorous sound, smoothly morphing between groovy beats and spacy folclore and we had a lot of fun doing it. Probably the best show I ever participated! And I recorded a long file of perfect silence of it, not even a photo we have, only 30 sec of video as a watching musician friend promissed. Maybe you just have to believe it. I am pretty drunk after two beers and a lot of amazing talk to Jair-Rôhm, its just marvelous to hang out with real old masters... But I am still sober enough to tell you: You can do it! Just loop away a lot through all the styles, call a spirit with some notes and let it run your instrument with all respect and joy! - and dont forget to reduce feedback when your done with a scene, the next will come for sure! And its not like playing any common kind of music by using a different tool, it definitally turnes out differently, how ever you want to characterize and name it! Its like riding a horse: Although it takes you to the same place, its more than just quicker walking! Repetition brings Security! This was the perfect final party for a marvelous tour that Per oranized well and that paied itself and although there was no big number of public, important people came and we convinced many of what we are doing and the sun was out over this awesome and peacefull country and we received more energy than we spent... We all believe there is more to come next year... Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 00:01:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h553t2P21832; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:55:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:55:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c32b16$b5379720$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <19d.15da7af1.2c0f04e3@aol.com> Subject: Re: Reel to reel quality Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:58:22 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <9_SmiD.A._UF.W8r3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: To: Sent: Wednesday, 04 June, 2003 4:16 AM Subject: Re: Reel to reel quality > > 1) Is 456 really the way to go? Or are there other high quality > tapes > > out there that would > > serve me well? Does it depend on the application? I'm recording mostly > > electronic music along > > with a fair amount of musique concrete. By electronic music, I mean > modern > > day synths and analog > > and digital processors. > > Ampex (now Quantegy) seem to be the inventors of the "tape that degrades", > I have tapes from the 80's by Scotch(3M), Maxell, Agfa, BASF, they're all > fine. > (only BASF are still producing). The Ampex stuff I have from the same period > has real problems :-( In the 80's Ampex, no doubt inspired by the "Save The Whales" campaigns, changed their formula for the oxide binding material from a whale-oil derivative and created a generation of 456 tapes which now need to be 'baked' for 24 hours before playing. (The formula was later improved.) Some people use incubators, others food processors. A friend of mine had some luck with a gas oven - but it's not recommended. A steady temperature is required to drive out the moisture for a single play or two as you back it up. This PDF recommends 120 degrees F http://www.flash.net/~mrltapes/pubshed2.pdf Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 04:37:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h558Wpv03146; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 04:32:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 04:32:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:32:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Why I said Andrees music may deserve its own name Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 5/31/03 11:37 PM, altruist@earthlink.net at altruist@earthlink.net wrote: > >> If "live looping" is supposed to be full-phrase repetition, post-Terry >> Riley >> sounding music, then the "sliced" school of looping doesn't fit. > >For that matter, Bill Walker using his arpeggiator to drive the pitch shift >on his Repeater wouldn't qualify as "live looping" under that definition. I >think it's probably too narrow. true, thats another way, full-phrase repetition but with changes in it. Per keeps recording a drone with his bow onto the repeater and then playing a melody with the Behringer pedal. I dont think each trick is a different category. A category only makes sense, when the feel of the music it produces is also clearly different. and thats subjective, so its up to the each one... > >What Matthias is talking about could perhaps be called "time lag looping" (a >category that would also include Frippertronics, but you only get that if >you have a Fripp to plug into the looper). I don't know that "time lag >looping" is particularly more marketable than "live looping", but I also >haven't seen a need to draw a line between Matthias's work and Andre's work. I dont see any "need" either, I just say its easy to justify and may make sense to the listeners since it creates a specific slicy sound, independent on what instrument its used on. It sounds somewhat electronic but clearly distinct from a analog sequencer or so. I think a new genre comes up if someone starts it with a strong thing and puts up a name for it that makes others use that name and if the critical mass grows suficiently the press or science nails it down. Whether there is a need for it or the name is "right" or the borders of the new genre is perfectly defined probably does not influence that much. So its nice: we all basically have a chance to found things. And Andre has the talent and the dedication and the slight fanatism needed, as it seems to me. But I really stop this talk now, its not somehing to think about too much and probably rather personal than colective for the first move. Lets see... >The big part with "live" is distinguishing it from things like "Acid loops". >Though, of course, having a program called "Live" for working with >pre-recorded loops messes with that. funny, Per and I just talked about that. Yes, we should make them change the name :-) or finally include the live looping functions! I made a contact with them last year for this, but did not feel the kind of interest and flexibility on their side to make an effort so far... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 06:00:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h559uoS06272; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 05:56:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 05:56:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c801c32b48$d3fdef60$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: Subject: DL-4 mic vs feedback level Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:52:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <16RZXB.A.4hB.iPx3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers I'm working on material in advance of my show next Friday with Rick Walker when he resumes his European tour in Belfast. (I'm a looping percussionist). I'm using a Yamaha Mx 12/4 desk with the DL-4 connected as a send/return on the effects bus. This allows me to have a number of microphones available rather than having to move either the mic to the instruments or moving the instruments to the mic too much. I have been struggling with the balance of the direct mic level and the feedback level when looping. The feedback level is noticeably (I would say 10-15%) lower in volume than the line level when the mix is at max. Even when I drop the fader for the mic to 0 it still is fed through the DL-4 at line level thereby effectively bypassing the main fader control. I also get the feedback signal on one side only (right) with the mic signal in the centre, the mic pan doesn't affect this. All slightly confusing I think this is mirrored when I attach the mic directly into the pedal but I'll have to re-check this I'd like to be able to control which mic signal is being sent to the DL-4 and to be able to choose to hear Mic / DL-4 or both. It's probably a mixture of signal routing and my ignorance of such matters so I'm grateful for any help. Duncan offered some words of wisdom in a recent similar thread <"we've noticed that the dl4 will do odd things to the "direct" level depending how the mix control is set and also if it has both inputs connected...."> Can Duncan or anyone perhaps explain the effect of having both inputs connected (as I am doing) and any tips or advice which can help me sort this out, I'm sure it's fairly straightforward Maybe I'm routing the signal incorrectly, maybe I've the mix set incorrectly, maybe I'm just being stupid :) One final question, what is the expression pedal that is recommended for the DL-4, not the Line-6 official pedal but the 'generic' model. Any idea of costs and where-to-get in the UK would be excellent. Regards loopists and thank you all Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 07:18:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55BG3m09294; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:16:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:16:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024801c32b53$e456ce80$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: , , , , Subject: ANNOUNCE: Loop pool - Rick Walker and Paul Marshall in Concert Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:16:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Powerhaus, in association with the Linen Hall Library Belfast, is proud to announce the following event: Loop-pool meets Powerhaus, 8pm, Linenhall library, Belfast N Ireland For one night only, Rick Walker's loop pool and Powerhaus' Paul Marshall will be sharing the stage for an evening of live percussive looping. This N Ireland's first ever live looping concert and is part of Rick's 2003 European tour Rick's instrumentation is eclectic with everything from dayglo frisbee kickdrums and junk to 'adult toys' being used as well as 'proper' percussion and other instruments. Paul's set will be similar in instrumentation but with an improvised performance based around percussion and 'junk'. Two individual sets and one combined set are planned. The show is to be digitally recorded on audio and video. What is looping? Well... Sounds are created by the player which, with the real time use of technological gizmos and gadgets, are then repeated in a loop fashion to provide a basis for further playing and loopage. Sounds may be added to and removed from the ongoing loop, played at half/double speed, even backwards, they can be sliced, diced, pitched, glitched, and generally tinkered with to produce an infinite number of sonic effects. We have issued a challenge to audience members to bring an object which we are unable to use musically. We will not see these objects until we are about to commence the piece in which we use them. We dare you! This is a unique event, tickets are available NOW from the box office (028) 90321707 priced at £7/£5. More information is available from http://www.powerhaus.net/looppool. For more information on looping please visit www.loopersdelight.com If you have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact me. Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 07:42:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55BdBG10317; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:39:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:39:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.167.163.62] X-Originating-Email: [coramcalebur@hotmail.com] From: "Marco Brucale" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delay plugins help Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:39:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2003 11:39:04.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[113AA130:01C32B57] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Richard Zvonar >Subject: Re: Delay plugins help >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:05:21 -0700 > >At 11:21 AM +0000 6/4/03, Marco Brucale wrote: > >>I specifically look for real time multiple stereo delays with sufficiently >>long delay times, around 20-30 seconds. >>Does anyone know if there are VST or RTAS plugins that do this? > >You can do this in Max/MSP. I haven't checked for availability of >standalone "long delay" plug-ins made with Max, but I just threw together a >simple delay patch using the tapin~ and tapout~ objects and was able to get >a 30 second delay. In fact, I was also able to get a 120 second delay! > >An advantage to using tapin~ and tapout~ is that one tapin~ object can be >attached to multiple tapout~ objects, each of which could be routed to its >own audio output or effects chain. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com > Thank you very much for this one (and many thanks also to dcollins). I checked the cycling74 website and thay have a product called 'Radial' that was developed with max/msp and that if I understand it correctly is essentially a four-channel looper. Does anyone use that? Thank you again _________________________________________________________________ Invia messaggi istantanei gratuitamente! http://www.msn.it/messenger/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 08:02:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55C1ef11591; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:01:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:01:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054813745!35275 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB113@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Reel to reel quality Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:48:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32B58.514D6950" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32B58.514D6950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Me too I use a tascam 8track reel-to reel....... i use ampex 456 tape an dit sounds phat!<< I use a revox 274 4-track and a studer 810 2-track and 456 on both. nice to know someone else out there has the same taste in sonic quality. mind you, the tape saturation on the dl4 is pretty good.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32B58.514D6950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Reel to reel quality

>>Me too I use a tascam 8track reel-to reel....... = i use ampex 456 tape an dit sounds phat!<<

I use a revox 274 4-track and a studer 810 2-track and 45= 6 on both. nice to know someone else out there has the same taste in sonic = quality. mind you, the tape saturation on the dl4 is pretty good....=

duncan.



***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=
------_=_NextPart_001_01C32B58.514D6950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 08:04:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55C1Ob11561; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:01:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:01:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:01:16 -0400 Subject: Re: DL-4 mic vs feedback level Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01c801c32b48$d3fdef60$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Message-Id: <6970F60D-974D-11D7-A40E-000393BFB4B4@oasis-open.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul, You may have better luck setting 'mix' to 100% (or mix and tweez to 100% if running in looper mode) and then running the dl4 inputs back into discrete channels on the board. This way you have just the results of the effect running to channels so you can drop out clean or processed signal at your whim. I have had similar send/ret issues, which seemed to have something to do with the channel fader not effecting the s/r path. In those cases I also needed to bring down my aux levels to fade. Unless I'm missing something, I would say the problem is with the board. For the expression pedal, I'm using the Boss FV50L. I originally had it set up to control output volume of both edp and dl4 simultaneously, but I am outgrowing this configuration. I'm using my DL4 mostly as a effects box and less like a looper, and I'm doing a lot more realtime parameter tweeking on the edp. Jeff On Thursday, Jun 5, 2003, at 05:52 US/Eastern, Paul Marshall wrote: > Hey loopers > > I'm working on material in advance of my show next Friday with Rick > Walker > when he resumes his European tour in Belfast. (I'm a looping > percussionist). > > I'm using a Yamaha Mx 12/4 desk with the DL-4 connected as a > send/return on > the effects bus. This allows me to have a number of microphones > available > rather than having to move either the mic to the instruments or moving > the > instruments to the mic too much. > > I have been struggling with the balance of the direct mic level and the > feedback level when looping. The feedback level is noticeably (I > would say > 10-15%) lower in volume than the line level when the mix is at max. > Even > when I drop the fader for the mic to 0 it still is fed through the > DL-4 at > line level thereby effectively bypassing the main fader control. I > also get > the feedback signal on one side only (right) with the mic signal in the > centre, the mic pan doesn't affect this. All slightly confusing I > think > this is mirrored when I attach the mic directly into the pedal but > I'll have > to re-check this > > I'd like to be able to control which mic signal is being sent to the > DL-4 > and to be able to choose to hear Mic / DL-4 or both. It's probably a > mixture of signal routing and my ignorance of such matters so I'm > grateful > for any help. > > Duncan offered some words of wisdom in a recent similar thread > > <"we've noticed that the dl4 will do odd things to the "direct" level > depending how the mix control is set and also if it has both inputs > connected...."> > > Can Duncan or anyone perhaps explain the effect of having both inputs > connected (as I am doing) and any tips or advice which can help me > sort this > out, I'm sure it's fairly straightforward > > Maybe I'm routing the signal incorrectly, maybe I've the mix set > incorrectly, maybe I'm just being stupid :) > > One final question, what is the expression pedal that is recommended > for the > DL-4, not the Line-6 official pedal but the 'generic' model. Any idea > of > costs and where-to-get in the UK would be excellent. > > Regards loopists and thank you all > > Paul > ---------------------- > Paul Marshall > Portfolio Sound Artist > http://www.powerhaus.net > http://www.drumdojo.com > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > www.dacapo.co.uk > Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 > Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 08:20:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55CJhf12675; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:19:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:19:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054814915!36771 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB114@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: best DL 4 Exp Pedal Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:07:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32B5B.081666D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32B5B.081666D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I was jut wondering if you can use any standard expression pedal , E.G. the type ive currantly got plugged into my Zoom 505 or if you need a specific Line 6 one (which will probably cost a bomb)<< regular volume pedal will work, but you might have to reverse the connections to tip and ring inside the stereo plug to get it to work with line6 pedals. each of the three memories in the dl4 can store two snapshots of all the knobs (but not the master mode switch) which the pedal will then "morph" between. this can be fun if you use it to alter delay time and repeats at the same time. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32B5B.081666D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: best DL 4 Exp Pedal

>>I was jut wondering if you can use any standard e= xpression pedal , E.G.
the type ive currantly got plugged into my Zoom 505 or i= f you need a
specific Line 6 one (which will probably cost a bomb)<= ;<

regular volume pedal will work, but you might have to rev= erse the connections to tip and ring inside the stereo plug to get it to wo= rk with line6 pedals. each of the three memories in the dl4 can store two s= napshots of all the knobs (but not the master mode switch) which the pedal = will then "morph" between. this can be fun if you use it to alter= delay time and repeats at the same time.

duncan.



***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=
------_=_NextPart_001_01C32B5B.081666D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 08:22:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55CLKC12860; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:21:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:21:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030605122110.82342.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 05:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: a historic show! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9k4vC.A.zID.AXz3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know people often employ two EDPs simultaneously for stereo, but this is the first time I've heard of making music with a pair of Pers and doppelganger Matthiases! -t- --- Matthias Grob wrote: > We just came back from a unique show on the rooftop > of the Culture > house of Stockholm, where Per, me, Per Åhlin on > noise (Korg > modular...), Matthias Nord on Reason live programmed > drumming, Gustaf > Hielm of Meshuggah with his funky 8 string bass and > a Roland looper > and Jair-Rôhm Parker Wells bowed upright bass and > DL4, so that makes > six __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 08:40:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55CdTx14372; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054816360!37167 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB115@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DL-4 mic vs feedback level Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:31:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32B5E.65DE6620" Resent-Message-ID: <6TwjgB.A.cgD.Boz3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32B5E.65DE6620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" paul- see elsewhere for the pedal info- but to reiterate, it is possible to use any reasonable volume pedal, but you may have to reverse the tip and ring connections to make it work. I don't know the mx12/4... but it sounds to me like you've got the mics routed to the aux /pre-fade/; this would explain why the signal still goes to the dl4 when the fader is pulled down for a particular mic. in this configuration, the mix control on the dl4 should be fully c/w (i.e. no direct signal). I don't quite follow why you'd use two inputs on the dl4 anyway, unless they are being fed from separate aux sends... if you're not using one of the genuine stereo algorithms, there's no point. if the dl4 is returned up another channel on the desk, you can still make the repeats louder than the original sound just by whacking the fader up higher... but the only way to get rid of the dry sound altogether is to use the aux send in prefade mode.... and if you do that, then you can't use the desk's faders to control the balance of mic signals going to the dl4. what little information I could find about the structure of this desk suggests to me that the two auxes are hard-wired so that one is permanently pre-fade and the other is post-fade. try using the other one.... maybe someone else can confirm this. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32B5E.65DE6620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: DL-4 mic vs feedback level

paul-
see elsewhere for the pedal info- but to reiterate, it i= s possible to use any reasonable volume pedal, but you may have to reverse = the tip and ring connections to make it work.

I don't know the mx12/4... but it sounds to me like you'v= e got the mics routed to the aux /pre-fade/; this would explain why the sig= nal still goes to the dl4 when the fader is pulled down for a particular mi= c.

in this configuration, the mix control on the dl4 should = be fully c/w (i.e. no direct signal).

I don't quite follow why you'd use two inputs on the dl4 = anyway, unless they are being fed from separate aux sends... if you're not = using one of the genuine stereo algorithms, there's no point.

if the dl4 is returned up another channel on the desk, yo= u can still make the repeats louder than the original sound just by whackin= g the fader up higher... but the only way to get rid of the dry sound altog= ether is to use the aux send in prefade mode.... and if you do that, then y= ou can't use the desk's faders to control the balance of mic signals going = to the dl4.

what little information I could find about the structure = of this desk suggests to me that the two auxes are hard-wired so that one i= s permanently pre-fade and the other is post-fade. try using the other one.= ... maybe someone else can confirm this.

duncan.



***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=
------_=_NextPart_001_01C32B5E.65DE6620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 09:05:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55D1ak15537; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:01:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:01:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EDF3F2C.F34C1564@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:01:32 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? References: <70CE8F9D-9354-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8pEkKB.A.pyD.w8z3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Just out of interest: Who on this list considers themselves a "Live > Looper"? I do. I played a set Monday at the Ghetto Diaper (a punk rock basement) using a Theremin through an Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay and a guitar through a Line6 DL4. They want me back. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 09:39:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55Da5s17905; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:36:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:36:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:36:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Reel to reel quality Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i know nothing of real to reals and quality, but i remember reading an article about some of jim o'rourke's albums from the mid-90's and he did some albums where he recorded over old reals of tape for that "analog warmth". so it's been done w/ "success" i guess.... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 10:52:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55EpE524996; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:51:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:51:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c32b72$44307b80$76b62c81@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <006901c32ace$9a0982d0$0100a8c0@win2000> Subject: Re: which topics now ? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:53:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [129.44.182.118] at Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:51:08 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luca - Cool. A fellow "unguitarist." I've been using the term since 1996 to describe my guitaring-way. What's your address, I can send you some music maybe? David Kirkdorffer UNDO ----- Original Message ----- From: "luca" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 3:22 PM Subject: which topics now ? > Hi there ! > which is the discussion keeping you busy in these last months ? > luca > ------------------------------ > www.unguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 12:23:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55GFxM32109; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:15:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:15:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: ANNOUNCE: Loop pool - Rick Walker and Paul Marshall in Concert Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:16:03 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c32b7d$c3a5df80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <024801c32b53$e456ce80$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sure hope you record this and let us hear. from what i have heard from both of you, it is bound to be great stuff... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 12:26:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55GNrm00634; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:23:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:23:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:21:39 -0400 Subject: pedalboard dharma From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3137660499_3223187_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3137660499_3223187_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hey folks-- Seems like it's time for me to hardwire a pedalboard. I thought I'd ask what clever things some of you have done in this realm. I'm sure everyone has discovered cool solutions to organizing their messes of gear, and I'd love to put all the best ideas into this project. (I don't really have much money to spend right now, so getting one professionally made is out of the question.) I did start to make a pedalboard once upon a time, and in fact bought a roll of velcro and carpeted two boards, but stopped short of tying anything down because: 1. I need to set my floor stuff up in different ways sometimes depending on the physical layout of the stage/ playing space. 2. with a volume pedal on each signal chain between the looper and the amplifier, and my EDP sitting on top of my amplifier rack, there's still a fair amount of cable that runs between the amps and the floor setup. 3. It seemed vulnerable to transport pedalboards with exposed equipment on them 4. this'll sound stupid, but the velcro didn't clear the rubber bumpers on the bottoms of the pedals. In appreciation for your help, I'll share one of the most useful things I know (non-looping, though): if you're banging a nail into some wood, use your hammer to dull the tip of the nail first. Then the nail won't split the wood. thanks all, dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --MS_Mac_OE_3137660499_3223187_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable pedalboard dharma hey folks--


Seems like it's time for me to hardwire a pedalboard. I thought I'd ask wha= t clever things some of you have done in this realm. I'm sure everyone has d= iscovered cool solutions to organizing their messes of gear, and I'd love to= put all the best ideas into this project.

(I don't really have much money to spend right now, so getting one professi= onally made is out of the question.)


I did start to make a pedalboard once upon a time, and in fact bought a rol= l of velcro and carpeted two boards, but stopped short of tying anything dow= n because:   


1. I need to set my floor stuff up in different ways sometimes = depending on the physical layout of the stage/ playing space.


2. with a volume pedal on each signal chain between the looper = and the amplifier, and my EDP sitting on top of my amplifier rack, there's s= till a fair amount of cable that runs between the amps and the floor setup.<= BR>


3. It seemed vulnerable to transport pedalboards with exposed e= quipment on them


4. this'll sound stupid, but the velcro didn't clear the rubber= bumpers on the bottoms of the pedals.


In appreciation for your help, I'll share one of the most useful things I k= now (non-looping, though):
if you're banging a nail into some wood, use your hammer to dull the tip of= the nail first. Then the nail won't split the wood.



thanks all,


dan


--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com
--MS_Mac_OE_3137660499_3223187_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 12:46:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55GdxO02792; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c32b80$e1a68220$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20030605122110.82342.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: a historic show! Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:38:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like an amazing show, Matthias - Jair-Rohm is a very fine musician. such a shame the recording didn't work... :o( steve www.stevelawson.net > --- Matthias Grob wrote: > > We just came back from a unique show on the rooftop > > of the Culture > > house of Stockholm, where Per, me, Per Åhlin on > > noise (Korg > > modular...), Matthias Nord on Reason live programmed > > drumming, Gustaf > > Hielm of Meshuggah with his funky 8 string bass and > > a Roland looper > > and Jair-Rôhm Parker Wells bowed upright bass and > > DL4, so that makes > > six From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 13:20:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55HEAA06193; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:14:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:14:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030605171403.8419.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:14:03 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: euro?american grovebox - Was Re: FS: Hardware sequencer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200306051118.h55BIPo09415@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8PgZbD.A.ogB.ip33-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I cannot speak highly enough for the XL-7/World ROM combination. Though it lacks in several departments (no gamelan, didgeridoo, limited gongs, marimbas) what it does contain are really quite nice. Especially ethnic strings and winds, all sorts of percussion from around the world, and of course the refined Proteus sound engine. Plus you can pick up an XL-7 at Musicians friend for $399 (latest flyer). <<<>>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 13:25:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55HNfj07350; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:23:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:23:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:27:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Reel to reel quality From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB113@LON-MAIL07> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3137682467_45706_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <74DvkB.A.uyB.dy33-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3137682467_45706_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I also really dig an old 2track ferrograph that I use every so often. That is disgustingly low fi, due to its unpredictable nature. On a personal level I just love the simplicity that tape gives me I can obtain the vocal sound I want straight away. I like to distort the input to get that particular break up which i can then react to and use whilst recording. I also love being able to change the pitch of my music at will. Tape gives me what i want straight away. Hard disk gives me other things but i find them less relevent to my music. Ohh yeah and I finish things when i use tape!!! G on 5/6/03 12:48 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com at goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>Me too I use a tascam 8track reel-to reel....... i use ampex 456 tape an dit sounds phat!<< I use a revox 274 4-track and a studer 810 2-track and 456 on both. nice to know someone else out there has the same taste in sonic quality. mind you, the tape saturation on the dl4 is pretty good.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** --MS_Mac_OE_3137682467_45706_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Reel to reel quality I also really dig an old 2track ferrograph that I use every so often.
That is disgustingly low fi, due to its unpredictable nature.

On a personal level I just love the simplicity that tape gives me I can obt= ain the vocal sound I want straight away. I like to distort the input to get= that particular break up which i can then react to and use whilst recording= . I also love being able to change the pitch of my music at will.
Tape gives me what i want straight away. Hard disk gives me other things bu= t i find them less relevent to my music.
Ohh yeah and I finish things when i use tape!!!
G     

on 5/6/03 12:48 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com at goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wr= ote:


>>Me too I use a tascam 8track reel-to reel....... i u= se ampex 456 tape an dit sounds phat!<<

I use a revox 274 4-track and a studer 810 2-track and 456 o= n both. nice to know someone else out there has the same taste in sonic qual= ity. mind you, the tape saturation on the dl4 is pretty good....

duncan.

***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged.  If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=


--MS_Mac_OE_3137682467_45706_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 13:39:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55Ha6M09342; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:36:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:35:51 EDT Subject: Re: pedalboard dharma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f4.2d33c83b.2c10d977_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: <0nl-o.A.1RC.G-33-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f4.2d33c83b.2c10d977_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i use a pair of this companies boards... www.pedalpad.com Regards, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.9andZen.com www.BEEbasses.com --part1_f4.2d33c83b.2c10d977_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i use a pair of this companies boards...

www.pedalpad.com

Regards,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.9andZen.com
www.BEEbasses.com --part1_f4.2d33c83b.2c10d977_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 13:54:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55Hpbm12772; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:51:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:51:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <200306051958390000.001B3DB0@mail.gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <200306051118.h55BIPr09416@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200306051118.h55BIPr09416@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.01.02 (2) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:58:39 +0200 From: "David Kuckhermann" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL-4 mic vs feedback level Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h55HpbB12744 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Paul! I had similar problems and I use this setup: The alternate output (subgroup 1) goes into the DL4 input, the DL4 output back into a free mixer channel which is routet to main output. Subgroup 1 not routet to the main out. 2 Microphones which I can switch between main out and subgroup 1. For loop-building, I route the needed mic to subgroup 1, which goes into the looper and only through the looper back to an input channel and into the main mix. For playing over a loop wthout the overdubbing, delay, etc, just switch the channel to main out. You can now seperately adjust the level of dry playing and loop, and the microphone level will directly affect the level that goes into the dl4. Gee, I don´t know if that is at all understandable and also I´m not 100% sure if I understood the actual problem... Anyway, hope this helps. Have a great concert! regards, David David Elia Kuckhermann www.framedrums.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 13:55:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55HsLA13210; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:54:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:54:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:54:14 -0700 Subject: Re: euro?american grovebox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030605171403.8419.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, I went to their site and found it to be $499. Add another $279 for the world ROM and that's a bunch of cash. I can get a PlanetEarth for $350 new and perhaps use it with my MC-307. Sure, it's another piece of gear, but maybe the cheapest way to go for me at this point... or I could just get the Roland World ROM for my XV-5050 for $250. Has anyone heard/used it? Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 10:14 AM, S V G wrote: > > Mark, > > I cannot speak highly enough for the XL-7/World ROM combination. > Though it lacks in several > departments (no gamelan, didgeridoo, limited gongs, marimbas) what it > does contain are really > quite nice. Especially ethnic strings and winds, all sorts of > percussion from around the world, > and of course the refined Proteus sound engine. > > Plus you can pick up an XL-7 at Musicians friend for $399 (latest > flyer). > > <<< soundcard addition>>>>> > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 14:11:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55I9a714973; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:09:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:09:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c32b8d$9ed4dfc0$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: Subject: Re: pedalboard dharma Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:09:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C32B52.F1CA5E70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3718.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3718.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C32B52.F1CA5E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pedalboard dharmaFor years I was going to build my own pedalboard, then = I stumbled across exactly what I was looking to build at NGM pedalboards: http://www.austintx.net/dexter/ngm/ In this design, the bottom of the case is shallow (about 1-1/2") and = holds the effects in place, so you just pop off the lid and are ready to go. = The top lid is lined with foam and you really don't need velcro to hold all = of the effects in place. Plus, the second level shelf fits my Line 6 pedals exactly. It was simply the best investment I ever made for my rig. They have = standard sizes and can also make some custom sizes as well ... the case is put together really nice with good fit and finish. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Soltzberg=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:21 AM Subject: pedalboard dharma hey folks-- Seems like it's time for me to hardwire a pedalboard. I thought I'd = ask what clever things some of you have done in this realm. I'm sure = everyone has discovered cool solutions to organizing their messes of = gear, and I'd love to put all the best ideas into this project.=20 (I don't really have much money to spend right now, so getting one = professionally made is out of the question.) I did start to make a pedalboard once upon a time, and in fact bought = a roll of velcro and carpeted two boards, but stopped short of tying = anything down because: =20 1. I need to set my floor stuff up in different ways sometimes = depending on the physical layout of the stage/ playing space. 2. with a volume pedal on each signal chain between the looper and = the amplifier, and my EDP sitting on top of my amplifier rack, there's = still a fair amount of cable that runs between the amps and the floor = setup. 3. It seemed vulnerable to transport pedalboards with exposed = equipment on them=20 4. this'll sound stupid, but the velcro didn't clear the rubber = bumpers on the bottoms of the pedals.=20 In appreciation for your help, I'll share one of the most useful = things I know (non-looping, though): if you're banging a nail into some wood, use your hammer to dull the = tip of the nail first. Then the nail won't split the wood. thanks all, dan --=20 ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C32B52.F1CA5E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pedalboard dharma
For years I was going to build my own pedalboard, then = I
stumbled across=20 exactly what I was looking to build at NGM pedalboards:
http://www.austintx.net/dext= er/ngm/

In=20 this design, the bottom of the case is shallow (about 1-1/2") and = holds
the=20 effects in place, so you just pop off the lid and are ready to go. = The
top=20 lid is lined with foam and you really don't need velcro to hold all = of
the=20 effects in place. Plus, the second level shelf fits my Line 6=20 pedals
exactly.

It was simply the best investment I ever made = for my=20 rig. They have standard
sizes and can also make some custom sizes as = well ...=20 the case is put
together really nice with good fit and = finish.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Soltzberg
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 = 9:21=20 AM
Subject: pedalboard = dharma

hey folks--


Seems like it's time for me to = hardwire=20 a pedalboard. I thought I'd ask what clever things some of you have = done in=20 this realm. I'm sure everyone has discovered cool solutions to = organizing=20 their messes of gear, and I'd love to put all the best ideas into this = project.

(I don't really have much money to spend right now, = so=20 getting one professionally made is out of the question.)


I = did=20 start to make a pedalboard once upon a time, and in fact bought a roll = of=20 velcro and carpeted two boards, but stopped short of tying anything = down=20 because:   


1. I need to set my floor stuff up in different ways = sometimes=20 depending on the physical layout of the stage/ playing=20 space.


2. with a volume pedal on each signal chain between the = looper=20 and the amplifier, and my EDP sitting on top of my amplifier rack, = there's=20 still a fair amount of cable that runs between the amps and the = floor=20 setup.


3. It seemed vulnerable to transport pedalboards with = exposed=20 equipment on them


4. this'll sound stupid, but the velcro didn't clear the = rubber=20 bumpers on the bottoms of the pedals.


In = appreciation=20 for your help, I'll share one of the most useful things I know = (non-looping,=20 though):
if you're banging a nail into some wood, use your hammer = to dull=20 the tip of the nail first. Then the nail won't split the=20 wood.



thanks all,


dan


-- =
ghost 7/=20 = Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com
<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C32B52.F1CA5E70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 14:18:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55IHYn15934; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:17:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:17:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c32b8f$241b6a40$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul" To: References: Subject: Re: euro?american grovebox Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:20:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI: I picked up a Handsonic (brand new) off eBay for $650. If you keep your eyes and ears open, that's an excellent price for an amazing piece of gear. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: Re: euro?american grovebox > Hmmm, I went to their site and found it to be $499. Add another $279 > for the world ROM and that's a bunch of cash. I can get a PlanetEarth > for $350 new and perhaps use it with my MC-307. Sure, it's another > piece of gear, but maybe the cheapest way to go for me at this point... > or I could just get the Roland World ROM for my XV-5050 for $250. Has > anyone heard/used it? > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 10:14 AM, S V G wrote: > > > > > Mark, > > > > I cannot speak highly enough for the XL-7/World ROM combination. > > Though it lacks in several > > departments (no gamelan, didgeridoo, limited gongs, marimbas) what it > > does contain are really > > quite nice. Especially ethnic strings and winds, all sorts of > > percussion from around the world, > > and of course the refined Proteus sound engine. > > > > Plus you can pick up an XL-7 at Musicians friend for $399 (latest > > flyer). > > > > <<< > soundcard addition>>>>> > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 14:31:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55IQW516962; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:26:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:26:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <09bb01c32bc1$ed0c13a0$ada44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: pedalboard dharma Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:23:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_09B7_01C32BCA.4C9383F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-pwY_D.A.6IE.Yt43-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_09B7_01C32BCA.4C9383F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pedalboard dharmadon't pay somebody to do it for you...do it yourself!!! = =20 i build a wooden pedalboard with case cover all out of this nice pine = board (no, lowes didn't have any purpleheart or bubinga) and i use one = of those things they use to tie boats to the dock as a handle and window = locks to keep the case on top for travel. it's sturdy as can be and = looks pretty cool when it's packed up...and it's got personality (read: = homemade). 1. first of all, velcro the whole surface. moving things around from = gig to gig will eventually wear out your velcro, so i'd try to find a = happy medium. you'll get used to it and then you won't even have to = look down. 2. why do you have a pedal post-edp? why not just use midi to control = output/feedback? i have three volume pedals and an all access. from my = board there are three wires: all access power, midi, and audio. 3. build a board and build a lid. otherwise, you're just asking for = broken pedals. 4. remove the rubber feet. most are either screwed in or glued on. = either way, get them off and attach the velcro to the entire bottom side = of the pedal. those little guys won't budge after that. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_09B7_01C32BCA.4C9383F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pedalboard dharma
don't pay somebody to do it for you...do it = yourself!!! =20
 
i build a wooden pedalboard with case cover all out = of this=20 nice pine board (no, lowes didn't have any purpleheart or bubinga) and i = use one=20 of those things they use to tie boats to the dock as a handle and window = locks=20 to keep the case on top for travel.  it's sturdy as can be and = looks pretty=20 cool when it's packed up...and it's got personality (read:=20 homemade).
 
1.  first of all, velcro the whole = surface.  moving=20 things around from gig to gig will eventually wear out your velcro, so = i'd try=20 to find a happy medium.  you'll get used to it and then you won't = even have=20 to look down.
 
2.  why do you have a pedal post-edp?  why = not just=20 use midi to control output/feedback?  i have three volume pedals = and an all=20 access.  from my board there are three wires: all access power, = midi, and=20 audio.
 
3.  build a board and build a lid.  = otherwise,=20 you're just asking for broken pedals.
 
4.  remove the rubber feet.  most are = either screwed=20 in or glued on.  either way, get them off and attach the velcro to = the=20 entire bottom side of the pedal.  those little guys won't budge = after=20 that.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_09B7_01C32BCA.4C9383F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 14:56:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55Ilmx19136; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:47:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:47:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:47:42 -0700 Subject: Re: euro?american grovebox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001d01c32b8f$241b6a40$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> Message-Id: <30629CF1-9786-11D7-811B-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woah. That is a great price... maybe I should save my pennies and wait. On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 11:20 AM, Paul wrote: > FYI: I picked up a Handsonic (brand new) off eBay for $650. If you > keep your > eyes and ears open, that's an excellent price for an amazing piece of > gear. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 14:57:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55Iuud20147; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:56:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:56:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.214.39.161] X-Originating-Email: [grassbelly@hotmail.com] From: "Reid Maxwell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Burning Man Loopers Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:56:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2003 18:56:50.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[38D78B30:01C32B94] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's getting close. Any loopers going. Reid _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 15:05:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55J3OI21019; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:03:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: euro?american grovebox In-Reply-To: <30629CF1-9786-11D7-811B-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <1CBSUD.A.SIF.8P53-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just sold mine (EX+ condition, original box, manual, ps plus rack adapter and pedal) for $700. It sold within a day. Last one I saw on ebay sold for $800. I have seen them sell closer to $700-$750 on occasion and obviously there are the occasional higher and lower prices. Bottom line they aren't $1000 at least. IMO it's the most applied "world percussion" unit out there but again if you don't need the interface and live capabilites you shoudl keep looking at the modules. Idea: Not an all-in-one but what about a sampler? You would never run out of sounds be they world or otherwise and pretty much every sampler has tons of free support on the web these days. Personally I'd look at a used rompler of some sort. EMU had a world percussion rack unit years ago and I'm sure they are dirt cheap used now that there are "updated" models out there. Even something like the Kawaii XD5 or Alessis DM5 have some world samples in them that might do the trick and these are peanuts used. Just an idea... > Woah. That is a great price... maybe I should save my pennies and wait. > > > FYI: I picked up a Handsonic (brand new) off eBay for $650. If you > > keep your eyes and ears open, that's an excellent price for an amazing piece of gear. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 15:22:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55JKkg22933; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:20:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:20:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:20:39 -0700 Subject: Samplers (was Re: euro?american grovebox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1S478C.A.NmF.Og53-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've thought about samplers for years, but I'm not sure if they're for me... I'm not sure why. I do know that I try to spend a lot less time screwing around with sounds than I used to. I swear I used to sit down with my Korg DW8000 and tweak until I passed out. I can't do that any more. I'm more apt to buy a unit that I think has a lot of interesting or usable sounds and go from there. Some tweaking here and there, but a lot of my sounds are stock. With guitar, it's less so. I think I made a decision years ago that I could go on the sound design route or try to spend more of my time doing music. Of course, I tend to fool with sounds a lot using effects, so they often don't end up very stock. So samplers always seem like a lot of work to me. I have a friend who brought over a Roland groovebox-sampler and I hated it. In the time it took us to sample and tweak the loops I could have made 10 cool loops with my ROMpler based device. Sure, it's less flexible, but maybe the limitations are good. For me at least. Mark On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 11:57 AM, Legion wrote: > Idea: Not an all-in-one but what about a sampler? You would never run > out of sounds be they world or otherwise and pretty much every sampler > has tons of free support on the web these days. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 15:29:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55JRmo23847; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:27:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Original-Recipient: Message-ID: <001301c32b99$7869b4d0$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: Subject: Re: a historic show! Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:34:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > not even a photo we have Matthias! Here's the other Mattias! ;) First of all, it was more than a pleassure to play with all of you, since it was my first ever real concert with 6!!! people improvising together, i'm amazed that it went so well, and as you said to me before the concert, i didn't need to be nervous at all, and i really wasn't. I was having fun and for the first time i instead felt that i had the freedom to improvise without having to worry about the other parts in the music but i could actually play and experiment together with the other musicians. =D The style of music was escpecially woderfull also since all of us seem to come from different musical backrounds, this mix was increadible to say the least. Second, My girlfriend did take some photos, especially a really nice one of the whole stage when you whee jamming really good, and i think it shows the spirit of mood that we where all in. =) Here's the pictures, including a pic of the sunset and the view that we had infront of us. http://www.fromamouth.com/portfolio/images/roofgig/p1.jpg http://www.fromamouth.com/portfolio/images/roofgig/p2.jpg http://www.fromamouth.com/portfolio/images/roofgig/p3.jpg http://www.fromamouth.com/portfolio/images/roofgig/p4.jpg http://www.fromamouth.com/portfolio/images/roofgig/p5.jpg http://www.fromamouth.com/portfolio/images/roofgig/sunset.jpg For me, this was musically the best experience for many many years, it was just amazing to play with such talanted guys and for me it was truly a very humbling experience and a very magical, sacred, spiritual (call it what you want, but it was big) evening for me. Thank you guys for letting me in on this event, I'm always up for doing this again! /Tias - (Mattias Nord / Reason - Breaks and Beats Looper) <---- Dare i call myself that. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 16:09:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55K7dR27303; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:07:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:07:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030605200737.17079.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: pedalboard dharma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > 4. this'll sound stupid, but the velcro didn't clear > the rubber bumpers on > the bottoms of the pedals. > You have to remove the rubber feet on some pedals if you want to velcro it down :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 16:28:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55KMJQ28767; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:22:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:22:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.30969e2d.2c110067@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:21:59 EDT Subject: Re: euro?american grovebox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <5HrtSD.A.WBH.7Z63-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Roland World ROM for my XV-5050 for $250. Has > anyone heard/used it? I have the World Sounds Asia card in a JV-1010, so I expect this has a some of the sounds in common. If they're anything similar, then you're looking at a big investment in editing time to get worthwhile sounds. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 16:29:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55KS2R30173; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:28:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:28:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030605202756.75897.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: euro?american grovebox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200306051905.h55J52D21257@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, Silly me, did I say Musician's Friend? I meant to say Guitar Center. I know they are sort of the same company, though sometimes they'll have different prices. Guitar Center just sent out a circular two days ago that lists the Emu XL-7 for $449 with a $50 rebate. If you want a better price on the World expansion ROM, call Danny at Audio Midi Mall. 1 888 600 2625. Tell him Stephen from Seattle sent you. Perhaps he'd even be able to beat the Guitar Center price on the XL-7. Anyway, he's a great guy and I love supporting people like that. Stephen <<>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 16:29:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55KMnn28899; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:22:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:22:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Samplers (was Re: euro?american grovebox Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:22:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2003 20:22:43.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[3821D950:01C32BA0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hear you. However, it's not the tool's fault - it's the commercial sample vendors, skimping on programming. Also, we've come a long way since akai s1000 compatible hell. bIz >From: mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Samplers (was Re: euro?american grovebox >Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:20:39 -0700 > >I've thought about samplers for years, but I'm not sure if they're for >me... I'm not sure why. I do know that I try to spend a lot less time >screwing around with sounds than I used to. I swear I used to sit down >with my Korg DW8000 and tweak until I passed out. > >I can't do that any more. I'm more apt to buy a unit that I think has a >lot of interesting or usable sounds and go from there. Some tweaking here >and there, but a lot of my sounds are stock. With guitar, it's less so. I >think I made a decision years ago that I could go on the sound design route >or try to spend more of my time doing music. Of course, I tend to fool >with sounds a lot using effects, so they often don't end up very stock. > >So samplers always seem like a lot of work to me. I have a friend who >brought over a Roland groovebox-sampler and I hated it. In the time it >took us to sample and tweak the loops I could have made 10 cool loops with >my ROMpler based device. Sure, it's less flexible, but maybe the >limitations are good. For me at least. > >Mark > > >On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 11:57 AM, Legion wrote: >>Idea: Not an all-in-one but what about a sampler? You would never run out >>of sounds be they world or otherwise and pretty much every sampler has >>tons of free support on the web these days. > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 16:31:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55KTNq30712; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Samplers (was Re: euro?american grovebox Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:29:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2003 20:29:16.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[22652990:01C32BA1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I might add, the reason that I prefer samplers is so I can create grooves by breaking up sample loops. You can't get that 'real drummer sound' from a rompler... With sound forge and/or recycle, transfer is very easy... >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Samplers (was Re: euro?american grovebox >Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:22:43 +0000 > > >I hear you. However, it's not the tool's fault - it's the commercial sample >vendors, skimping on programming. Also, we've come a long way since akai >s1000 compatible hell. > >bIz > > >>From: mark >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Samplers (was Re: euro?american grovebox >>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:20:39 -0700 >> >>I've thought about samplers for years, but I'm not sure if they're for >>me... I'm not sure why. I do know that I try to spend a lot less time >>screwing around with sounds than I used to. I swear I used to sit down >>with my Korg DW8000 and tweak until I passed out. >> >>I can't do that any more. I'm more apt to buy a unit that I think has a >>lot of interesting or usable sounds and go from there. Some tweaking here >>and there, but a lot of my sounds are stock. With guitar, it's less so. >>I think I made a decision years ago that I could go on the sound design >>route or try to spend more of my time doing music. Of course, I tend to >>fool with sounds a lot using effects, so they often don't end up very >>stock. >> >>So samplers always seem like a lot of work to me. I have a friend who >>brought over a Roland groovebox-sampler and I hated it. In the time it >>took us to sample and tweak the loops I could have made 10 cool loops with >>my ROMpler based device. Sure, it's less flexible, but maybe the >>limitations are good. For me at least. >> >>Mark >> >> >>On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 11:57 AM, Legion wrote: >>>Idea: Not an all-in-one but what about a sampler? You would never run out >>>of sounds be they world or otherwise and pretty much every sampler has >>>tons of free support on the web these days. >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 16:40:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55Kctg32334; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:38:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <47.2eabce8d.2c110442@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:38:26 EDT Subject: Eternal Loop Dharma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_47.2eabce8d.2c110442_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_47.2eabce8d.2c110442_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.2eabce8d.2c110442_alt_boundary" --part1_47.2eabce8d.2c110442_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en > Vedic Engineering: > The Chemistry of Sound > Excerpts from a lecture by His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin >=20 >=20 > =20 > According to the most recent discoveries of modern physics, the whole=20 > universe is nothing but vibration=E2=80=94a symphony of sounds. Every syst= em in the universe > =E2=80=94the elementary particles, the galaxies, and every human physiolog= y=E2=80=94is=20 > really just composed of sound, a state of vibration of the Unified Field= =E2=80=94the=20 > fundamental unity at the basis of the vast diversity of the Cosmos. >=20 > The particles of nature, of which we are composed, are the vibrational mo= des > =E2=80=94or =E2=80=9Cenergy eigenstates=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94of the Unified Fi= eld. The human physiology is=20 > therefore just a web of sound that is evolving, unfolding and growing, unt= il the=20 > ultimate wholeness=E2=80=94the fully blossomed cosmic potential of individ= ual=20 > consciousness, mind and nervous system=E2=80=94is fully expressed. As huma= n beings, we are=20 > an evolving, complex package of vibration. This is a scientific fact today= . >=20 > If we want to enhance our current vibrational state and accelerate the pa= ce=20 > of our evolution=E2=80=94that is, if we want to facilitate our transformat= ion from=20 > one state into the next=E2=80=94then we must add to our present state thos= e necessary=20 > frequencies, those catalysts of sound, that transform one state of vibrati= on=20 > into the next. >=20 > Through this process, we can also prevent any rising imbalances within ou= r=20 > present evolutionary state. To take a very crude example from nutritional=20 > science, if our physiology is deficient in vitamin B and we begin to fall=20= ill,=20 > then that deficiency can be alleviated simply by taking the necessary B=20 > vitamin. But vitamin B is nothing other than a package of vibration, of so= und. So=20 > even modern medicine and the nutritional sciences are ultimately sciences=20= of=20 > sound. >=20 > The Maharishi Yagya Program >=20 > The Maharishi Yagya program is a far more refined and holistic science of= =20 > sound that is based upon total knowledge of Natural Law, the knowledge of=20= the=20 > Unified Field. The Maharishi Yagya program can take any existing state of=20= a=20 > system, any existing state of vibration of a person, and add the specific=20 > sounds necessary to bring that state into the next sequential phase of it= =E2=80=99s=20 > natural evolutionary sequence. It can accelerate the pace of evolution of=20= the=20 > system, and also prevent or remove any rising imbalances or impending disa= sters. >=20 > We could look at an example from physics to show how the mechanics of=20 > evolution is really just the mechanics of the transformation of sound. In=20= figure=20 > 1, we see what physics calls a Feynman Diagram, the simplest possible exam= ple=20 > of the mechanics of transformation in nature. We start with what we call a= n=20 > electron=E2=80=94in actuality, an incoming state of vibration or sound. We= want to=20 > transform that electron into some desirable outgoing state=E2=80=94in this= case, an=20 > up-quark=E2=80=94which we see emerging on the right. >=20 > In order to transform the electron, which represents one state of vibrati= on=20 > of the Unified Field, into a pair of up-quarks, we add the desired=20 > ingredient in the form of sound=E2=80=94in this case, the specific vibrati= onal frequency known=20 > as a positron. The positron is exactly the sound or frequency needed to=20 > transform the incoming state into the desired outgoing state. >=20 > So the whole process of transformation and evolution in nature is really=20 > the mechanics of the transformation of sound. We could call it the chemist= ry of=20 > sound, which is fully perfected in the science of the Maharishi Yagya=20 > program. >=20 > In this science of yagya, the sounds needed to accelerate evolutionary=20 > transformations in our own individual lives are added through specific Ved= ic=20 > performances by dozens, or even hundreds, of Vedic Pandits. These highly t= rained=20 > Vedic scholars are experts in the recitation of the Vedic sounds and the=20 > assemblage of the precise sounds needed to effect the desired transformati= on.=20 > These Vedic sounds simultaneously counterbalance any negative influences f= rom=20 > our past that may be reaching fruition in our near future, because these V= edic=20 > recitations create precisely focused positive effects. This is the science= of=20 > Vedic Engineering, the chemistry of sound known as the Maharishi Yagya=20 > program. >=20 > Jai Guru Dev >=20 >=20 --part1_47.2eabce8d.2c110442_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en

Vedic Engi= neering:
The Chemistry of Sound
Excerpts from a lecture by His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin


 
According to the most recent discoveries of modern physics, the whole uni= verse is nothing but vibration=E2=80=94a symphony of sounds. Every system in= the universe=E2=80=94the elementary particles, the galaxies, and every huma= n physiology=E2=80=94is really just composed of sound, a state of vibration=20= of the Unified Field=E2=80=94the fundamental unity at the basis of the vast=20= diversity of the Cosmos.

The particles of nature, of which we are composed, are the vibrational mode= s=E2=80=94or =E2=80=9Cenergy eigenstates=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94of the Unified Fie= ld. The human physiology is therefore just a web of sound that is evolving,=20= unfolding and growing, until the ultimate wholeness=E2=80=94the fully blosso= med cosmic potential of individual consciousness, mind and nervous system= =E2=80=94is fully expressed. As human beings, we are an evolving, complex pa= ckage of vibration. This is a scientific fact today.

If we want to enhance our current vibrational state and accelerate the pace= of our evolution=E2=80=94that is, if we want to facilitate our transformati= on from one state into the next=E2=80=94then we must add to our present stat= e those necessary frequencies, those catalysts of sound, that transform one=20= state of vibration into the next.

Through this process, we can also prevent any rising imbalances within our=20= present evolutionary state. To take a very crude example from nutritional sc= ience, if our physiology is deficient in vitamin B and we begin to fall ill,= then that deficiency can be alleviated simply by taking the necessary B vit= amin. But vitamin B is nothing other than a package of vibration, of sound.=20= So even modern medicine and the nutritional sciences are ultimately sciences= of sound.

The Maharishi Yagya Program

The Maharishi Yagya program is a far more refined and holis= tic science of sound that is based upon total knowledge of Natural Law, the=20= knowledge of the Unified Field. The Maharishi Yagya program can take any exi= sting state of a system, any existing state of vibration of a person, and ad= d the specific sounds necessary to bring that state into the next sequential= phase of it=E2=80=99s natural evolutionary sequence. It can accelerate the=20= pace of evolution of the system, and also prevent or remove any rising imbal= ances or impending disasters.

We could look at an example from physics to show how the mechanics of evolu= tion is really just the mechanics of the transformation of sound. In figure=20= 1, we see what physics calls a Feynman Diagram, the simplest possible exampl= e of the mechanics of transformation in nature. We start with what we call a= n electron=E2=80=94in actuality, an incoming state of vibration or sound. We= want to transform that electron into some desirable outgoing state=E2=80= =94in this case, an up-quark=E2=80=94which we see emerging on the right.

In order to transform the electron, which represents one state of vibration= of the Unified Field, into a pair of up-quarks, we add the desired ingredie= nt in the form of sound=E2=80=94in this case, the specific vibrational frequ= ency known as a positron. The positron is exactly the sound or frequency nee= ded to transform the incoming state into the desired outgoing state.

So the whole process of transformation and evolution in nature is really th= e mechanics of the transformation of sound. We could call it the chemistry o= f sound, which is fully perfected in the science of the Maharishi Yagya prog= ram.

In this science of yagya, the sounds needed to accelerate evolutionary tran= sformations in our own individual lives are added through specific Vedic per= formances by dozens, or even hundreds, of Vedic Pandits. These highly traine= d Vedic scholars are experts in the recitation of the Vedic sounds and the a= ssemblage of the precise sounds needed to effect the desired transformation.= These Vedic sounds simultaneously counterbalance any negative influences fr= om our past that may be reaching fruition in our near future, because these=20= Vedic recitations create precisely focused positive effects. This is the sci= ence of Vedic Engineering, the chemistry of sound known as the Maharishi Yag= ya program.

Jai Guru Dev


 --part1_47.2eabce8d.2c110442_alt_boundary-- --part1_47.2eabce8d.2c110442_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Sonicartist@aol.com Full-name: Sonic artist Message-ID: <1aa.157e3b68.2c10fb4c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:00:12 EDT Subject: Fwd: Vedic Engineering: The Chemistry of Sound To: Fsksync@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_47.2eabce8d.2c10fb4c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 --part2_47.2eabce8d.2c10fb4c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part2_47.2eabce8d.2c10fb4c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v94.27) with ESMTP id MAILINZD23-37f73edf9cd2344; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:41:07 -0400 Received: from ananda.local (208-136-246-215.dsl.lisco.net [208.136.246.215]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v94.27) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZD49-3b53edf9cb7200; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:40:39 -0400 Received: from yagya (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ananda.local (8.12.9/8.12.2) with SMTP id h55Jdk4m027323 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:40:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:40:38 -0500 Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Vedic Engineering: The Chemistry of Sound From: Maharishi Yagya Programs To: Message-Id: <651440.TGNKGJWE@yagya.org> Reply-To: MaharishiYagya@Maharishi.net X-Mailer: MBM v2.8-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Boundary="--=BOUNDARY_651440_EDHT_NQQU_FJYQ_VQJG" ----=BOUNDARY_651440_EDHT_NQQU_FJYQ_VQJG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You appear to be using an email application that won't properly display the graphical (or HTML) version of our Yagya newsletter. Please visit the following web page where it has been posted for your enjoyment: =20 http://yagya.org/june05.html AOL User Link ----=BOUNDARY_651440_EDHT_NQQU_FJYQ_VQJG Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vedic Engineering: The Chemistry of Sound
“Everyone should be the master of his own destiny. The Vedic expression is: ‘heyam duhkham anagatam’—avert the danger that has not yet come. Maharishi Jyotish and Maharishi Yagya programs are for the development of Enlightenment—life free from dependence on surroundings and circumstances, mastery over one’s destiny. It is possible to live life free from suffering and problems through the preventive influence of Maharishi Yagya performances. Maharishi Yagya is a means to accomplish perfection in life."
—Maharishi
Maharishi Open University Celebrates the Vedic Calendar
Did you know that on the Maharishi Channel, available via satellite into your home, you can now view special half hour programs honoring the different days of the Vedic Calendar? These programs include Vedic recitation to enliven the Laws of Nature specific to the day. For more information visit http://mou.org
SHARE THE KNOWLEDGE
Invite your friends to subscribe to the Maharishi Yagya program newsletter,
or simply forward this e-mail to them.

You are subscribed to the Maharishi Yagya programs newsletter (unless this was forwarded to you by a friend).

To Subscribe
click here

To Unsubscribe
click here
The Maharishi Yagya program is made available only through donations to Maharishi Vedic Foundation, a non-profit organization exempt from tax under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Service codes. Contributions to Maharishi Vedic Foundation are tax-deductible. Maharishi Vedic Foundation is dedicated to enlivening Vedic tradition by providing Maharishi Yagya performances for the benefit of the individual and the whole world.

Privacy policy: We do not make our list available to other organizations.

Copyright 2003 Maharishi Vedic Foundation. All Rights Reserved. Maharishi Yagya, Maharishi Jyotish and Maharishi Vedic Astrology are common law or registered trademarks licensed to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corporation.

Vedic Engineering:
The Chemistry of Sound
Excerpts from a lecture by His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin

 

According to the most recent discoveries of modern physics, the whole universe is nothing but vibration—a symphony of sounds. Every system in the universe—the elementary particles, the galaxies, and every human physiology—is really just composed of sound, a state of vibration of the Unified Field—the fundamental unity at the basis of the vast diversity of the Cosmos.

The particles of nature, of which we are composed, are the vibrational modes—or “energy eigenstates”—of the Unified Field. The human physiology is therefore just a web of sound that is evolving, unfolding and growing, until the ultimate wholeness—the fully blossomed cosmic potential of individual consciousness, mind and nervous system—is fully expressed. As human beings, we are an evolving, complex package of vibration. This is a scientific fact today.

If we want to enhance our current vibrational state and accelerate the pace of our evolution—that is, if we want to facilitate our transformation from one state into the next—then we must add to our present state those necessary frequencies, those catalysts of sound, that transform one state of vibration into the next.

Through this process, we can also prevent any rising imbalances within our present evolutionary state. To take a very crude example from nutritional science, if our physiology is deficient in vitamin B and we begin to fall ill, then that deficiency can be alleviated simply by taking the necessary B vitamin. But vitamin B is nothing other than a package of vibration, of sound. So even modern medicine and the nutritional sciences are ultimately sciences of sound.

The Maharishi Yagya Program

The Maharishi Yagya program is a far more refined and holistic science of sound that is based upon total knowledge of Natural Law, the knowledge of the Unified Field. The Maharishi Yagya program can take any existing state of a system, any existing state of vibration of a person, and add the specific sounds necessary to bring that state into the next sequential phase of it’s natural evolutionary sequence. It can accelerate the pace of evolution of the system, and also prevent or remove any rising imbalances or impending disasters.

We could look at an example from physics to show how the mechanics of evolution is really just the mechanics of the transformation of sound. In figure 1, we see what physics calls a Feynman Diagram, the simplest possible example of the mechanics of transformation in nature. We start with what we call an electron—in actuality, an incoming state of vibration or sound. We want to transform that electron into some desirable outgoing state—in this case, an up-quark—which we see emerging on the right.

In order to transform the electron, which represents one state of vibration of the Unified Field, into a pair of up-quarks, we add the desired ingredient in the form of sound—in this case, the specific vibrational frequency known as a positron. The positron is exactly the sound or frequency needed to transform the incoming state into the desired outgoing state.

So the whole process of transformation and evolution in nature is really the mechanics of the transformation of sound. We could call it the chemistry of sound, which is fully perfected in the science of the Maharishi Yagya program.

In this science of yagya, the sounds needed to accelerate evolutionary transformations in our own individual lives are added through specific Vedic performances by dozens, or even hundreds, of Vedic Pandits. These highly trained Vedic scholars are experts in the recitation of the Vedic sounds and the assemblage of the precise sounds needed to effect the desired transformation. These Vedic sounds simultaneously counterbalance any negative influences from our past that may be reaching fruition in our near future, because these Vedic recitations create precisely focused positive effects. This is the science of Vedic Engineering, the chemistry of sound known as the Maharishi Yagya program.

Jai Guru Dev

Please call the local phone number for your Time Zone.

Maharishi Yagya Programs –
Time Zone 9A
(CT, ME, MA, NH, NY, RI, VT)

Hillsboro, NH
603-588-4235 (phone)
603-588-4249 (fax)
MaharishiYagya@Maharishi.net

 

Maharishi Yagya Programs –
Time Zone 9B
(DC, DE, FL, GA, MD, NJ, NC, OH, PA, SC, VA, WV)

Bethesda, MD
301-230-0923 (phone)
240-290-0418 (fax)
MaharishiYagyaTZ9@Maharishi.net

 

Maharishi Yagya Programs –
Time Zone 10
(AL, AZ, AR, CO, ID, IL, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MI, MN, MS, MO, NE, NM, ND, OK, SD, TN, TX, UT, WI, WY)

Lexington, KY
859-977-0875 (phone)
859-977-0876 (fax)
MaharishiYagyaTZ10@Maharishi.net

 

Maharishi Yagya Programs –
Time Zone 11
(AK, CA, HI, NV, OR, WA)

Palo Alto, CA
650-843-0830 (phone)
650-843-0823 (fax)
MaharishiYagyaTZ11@Maharishi.net

(Outside the U.S.A. and Canada, please contact the Maharishi Yagya program’s international office in Holland at +4141-825-1525 phone, +4141-825-1432 fax.)

 

----=BOUNDARY_651440_EDHT_NQQU_FJYQ_VQJG-- --part2_47.2eabce8d.2c10fb4c_boundary-- --part1_47.2eabce8d.2c110442_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 16:58:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55KuWb02429; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:56:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:56:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:56:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDBAC6C00002751@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <47.2eabce8d.2c110442@aol.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Eternal Loop Dharma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h55KuUB02405 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is this curry flavoured spam? -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: Fsksync@aol.com >Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:38:26 EDT >Subject: Eternal Loop Dharma >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > >> Vedic Engineering: >> The Chemistry of Sound >> Excerpts from a lecture by His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin >> >> >> >> According to the most recent discoveries of modern physics, the whole >> universe is nothing but vibration?a symphony of sounds. Every system in >the universe >> ?the elementary particles, the galaxies, and every human physiology?is > >> really just composed of sound, a state of vibration of the Unified Field?the > >> fundamental unity at the basis of the vast diversity of the Cosmos. >> >> The particles of nature, of which we are composed, are the vibrational >modes >> ?or ?energy eigenstates??of the Unified Field. The human physiology is > >> therefore just a web of sound that is evolving, unfolding and growing, >until the >> ultimate wholeness?the fully blossomed cosmic potential of individual >> consciousness, mind and nervous system?is fully expressed. As human beings, >we are >> an evolving, complex package of vibration. This is a scientific fact today. >> >> If we want to enhance our current vibrational state and accelerate the >pace >> of our evolution?that is, if we want to facilitate our transformation from > >> one state into the next?then we must add to our present state those necessary > >> frequencies, those catalysts of sound, that transform one state of vibration > >> into the next. >> >> Through this process, we can also prevent any rising imbalances within >our >> present evolutionary state. To take a very crude example from nutritional > >> science, if our physiology is deficient in vitamin B and we begin to fall >ill, >> then that deficiency can be alleviated simply by taking the necessary B > >> vitamin. But vitamin B is nothing other than a package of vibration, of >sound. So >> even modern medicine and the nutritional sciences are ultimately sciences >of >> sound. >> >> The Maharishi Yagya Program >> >> The Maharishi Yagya program is a far more refined and holistic science >of >> sound that is based upon total knowledge of Natural Law, the knowledge >of the >> Unified Field. The Maharishi Yagya program can take any existing state >of a >> system, any existing state of vibration of a person, and add the specific > >> sounds necessary to bring that state into the next sequential phase of >it?s >> natural evolutionary sequence. It can accelerate the pace of evolution >of the >> system, and also prevent or remove any rising imbalances or impending disasters. >> >> We could look at an example from physics to show how the mechanics of > >> evolution is really just the mechanics of the transformation of sound. >In figure >> 1, we see what physics calls a Feynman Diagram, the simplest possible example > >> of the mechanics of transformation in nature. We start with what we call >an >> electron?in actuality, an incoming state of vibration or sound. We want >to >> transform that electron into some desirable outgoing state?in this case, >an >> up-quark?which we see emerging on the right. >> >> In order to transform the electron, which represents one state of vibration > >> of the Unified Field, into a pair of up-quarks, we add the desired >> ingredient in the form of sound?in this case, the specific vibrational >frequency known >> as a positron. The positron is exactly the sound or frequency needed to > >> transform the incoming state into the desired outgoing state. >> >> So the whole process of transformation and evolution in nature is really > >> the mechanics of the transformation of sound. We could call it the chemistry >of >> sound, which is fully perfected in the science of the Maharishi Yagya >> program. >> >> In this science of yagya, the sounds needed to accelerate evolutionary > >> transformations in our own individual lives are added through specific >Vedic >> performances by dozens, or even hundreds, of Vedic Pandits. These highly >trained >> Vedic scholars are experts in the recitation of the Vedic sounds and the > >> assemblage of the precise sounds needed to effect the desired transformation. > >> These Vedic sounds simultaneously counterbalance any negative influences >from >> our past that may be reaching fruition in our near future, because these >Vedic >> recitations create precisely focused positive effects. This is the science >of >> Vedic Engineering, the chemistry of sound known as the Maharishi Yagya > >> program. >> >> Jai Guru Dev >> >> >Start of the Attached Message > >From: Sonicartist@aol.com >Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:00:12 EDT >Subject: Fwd: Vedic Engineering: The Chemistry of Sound >To: Fsksync@aol.com > > > >Start of the Attached Message > >Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:40:38 -0500 >Subject: Vedic Engineering: The Chemistry of Sound >From: Maharishi Yagya Programs >To: >Reply-To: MaharishiYagya@Maharishi.net > > >You appear to be using an email application that won't properly display >the graphical (or HTML) version of our Yagya newsletter. Please visit >the following web page where it has been posted for your enjoyment: > >http://yagya.org/june05.html >AOL User Link > >End of the Attached Message > >End of the Attached Message > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 17:00:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55KxiJ02910; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.3914371e.2c110933@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:59:31 EDT Subject: Re: Eternal Loop Dharma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3b.3914371e.2c110933_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3b.3914371e.2c110933_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/5/03 1:57:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > is this curry flavoured spam? > (cardamom fart) --part1_3b.3914371e.2c110933_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/5/03 1:57:31 PM Pacific Daylight=20= Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes:

is this curry flavoured spam?


(cardamom fart)

 --part1_3b.3914371e.2c110933_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 17:35:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55LXiR06784; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:33:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:33:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <21.303d5b38.2c1110f8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:32:40 EDT Subject: Re: Eternal Loop Dharma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_21.303d5b38.2c1110f8_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: <9CtcxC.A.zpB.4c73-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_21.303d5b38.2c1110f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, I goofed in cutting & pasting the first email- I only meant to send the first part, not the original complete email (but you got to see the illustrations!). I'm not shilling for these people and didn't mean for their contact info to be passed along. Just some ideas in there to stimulate Thought Loops... Best, Tim In a message dated 6/5/03 2:00:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 6/5/03 1:57:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > cpr@musetrap.com writes: > > >> is this curry flavoured spam? >> > > (cardamom fart) > > --part1_21.303d5b38.2c1110f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, I goofed in cutting & pasting the first ema= il- I only meant to send the first part, not the original complete email (bu= t you got to see the illustrations!). I'm not shilling for these people and=20= didn't mean for their contact info to be passed along. Just some ideas in th= ere to stimulate Thought Loops...

Best,

Tim




In a message dated 6/5/03 2:00:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com=20= writes:

In a message dated 6/5/03 1:57:= 31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes:

is this curry flavoured spam?


(cardamom fart)



 --part1_21.303d5b38.2c1110f8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 17:50:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55Lmk809932; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:46:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EDF3F2C.F34C1564@pa.msu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John McIntyre writ: I played a set Monday at the Ghetto Diaper (a punk rock basement) > using a Theremin through an Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay... that 16 second??-love and use mine too...warms the cockles ston From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 18:11:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55MAr412439; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:10:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:10:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: FW: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:10:50 -0500 Message-ID: <007a01c32baf$5365af70$0202a8c0@ALMMOBILE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do 9 gigs this week qualify me ;-) ????? I'm getting toasty and it's only Thursday. - Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com -----Original Message----- From: John McIntyre [mailto:mcintyre@pa.msu.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 7:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Just out of interest: Who on this list considers themselves a "Live > Looper"? I do. I played a set Monday at the Ghetto Diaper (a punk rock basement) using a Theremin through an Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay and a guitar through a Line6 DL4. They want me back. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 19:22:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55NL1O19962; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:21:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:21:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030605232055.44422.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: vocal loop rig/feedback destroyer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm assembling a looping rig for a vocalist. It'll be a small rack and a small pedalboard. So far the rack has a Digitech Vocalist II, an Alesis MidiVerb II and a Boss RPS-10, and the pedalboard has a DL-4, and an FS-300 for the Digitech unit. The pedalboard will also have footswitches for the other rack units, and most likely a Digitech Vocal 300 (based on Rick W's da-glowing recommendation...). In the rack, I'm also considering something like a Behringer Feedback Destroyer; do any of you have any experience with this unit, and does anyone know of similar units (in a similar price range) by other manufacturers? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 19:39:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55NcDh22061; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:38:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030605162954.00b2d8b8@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:38:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Re: vocal loop rig/feedback destroyer In-Reply-To: <20030605232055.44422.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0X0tJB.A.iYF.lR93-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a FBD, but I eventually got rid of it because it never really helped that much. It seems much more important to set up a good gain structure. When I got high-output monitors and amps, that's when the feedback went away for me. -Hans At 16:20 05/06/2003, you wrote: >I'm assembling a looping rig for a vocalist. It'll be >a small rack and a small pedalboard. > >... >In the rack, I'm also considering something like a >Behringer Feedback Destroyer; do any of you have any >experience with this unit, and does anyone know of >similar units (in a similar price range) by other >manufacturers? > >-t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 19:43:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55NfsH22698; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:41:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:41:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030605232055.44422.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: vocal loop rig/feedback destroyer Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:41:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2003 23:41:47.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[07997790:01C32BBC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In the rack, I'm also considering something like a > Behringer Feedback Destroyer; do any of you have any > experience with this unit, and does anyone know of > similar units (in a similar price range) by other > manufacturers? I have 3 of them, along with a Drive-rack in my mobile rig at work. I use them unbridged, so I have six separate feedback reduction channels, along with the feedback reduction in the driverack. They work well as long as you don't expect miracles - the vocalist had better not expect to wander around the stage in front of the speakers, mumbling, with the mic plugged into a fuzz pedal. Keep in mind it can take several seconds for the eq's to 'catch'. You can also set fixed eqs, if you know you have specific problems with a mic and room.. I usually leave all mine on 'auto' though, since I'm micing people wandering around the stage, mumbling, wearing lavalier mics. At least they don't have fuzz pedals... I haven't used any feedback eliminators that worked that much better than the feedback destroyer, especially for the price. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: vocal loop rig/feedback destroyer > I'm assembling a looping rig for a vocalist. It'll be > a small rack and a small pedalboard. > > So far the rack has a Digitech Vocalist II, an Alesis > MidiVerb II and a Boss RPS-10, and the pedalboard has > a DL-4, and an FS-300 for the Digitech unit. The > pedalboard will also have footswitches for the other > rack units, and most likely a Digitech Vocal 300 > (based on Rick W's da-glowing recommendation...). > > In the rack, I'm also considering something like a > Behringer Feedback Destroyer; do any of you have any > experience with this unit, and does anyone know of > similar units (in a similar price range) by other > manufacturers? > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 19:54:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55NrMR23932; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605184417.03ead128@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:51:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Delay plugins help In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:39 AM 6/5/2003 +0000, Marco Brucale wrote: >I checked the cycling74 website and thay have a product called 'Radial' >that was developed with max/msp and that if I understand it correctly is >essentially a four-channel looper. >Does anyone use that? Well, I'm not certain if anyone's gotten a chance to actually play with it yet, but there's a review in the brand new issue of Computer Music (Issue 61, July 2003). In short, it got an overall rating of 8/10, with kudos for innovoation. Worst thing they could say about it was that they hated the 'look & feel' of the GUI -- citing that it was as close an homage to the interfaces of the old Commodores or Ataris as they'd seen in a while. Pick up the mag for all the details.... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 21:26:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h561PRY31566; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:25:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:25:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030606012526.27348.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:25:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: vocal loop rig/feedback destroyer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030605232055.44422.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6w7LUB.A.GtH.H2-3-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Feedback Destroyer; BLASPHEMY !!! OFF WITH HIS HEAD ! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 5 23:10:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5639V407488; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:09:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:09:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:09:27 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Gig in Kobe in this Sept. Someone interest join us? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers, This is Sunao Inami writing. I am thinking about Loop performance at Kobe,Japan this Sept. (or Oct.) I did "Looper's Delight J" performances, http://cavestudio.com/LD_J/ This year is the 4th round. I would like to do the gig in this Sept. or Oct. (about gig's details,please read this web page.) If some loop artists can come to Kobe,Japan, Please join us.. notes: this events is not big festival, and we don't have foundation money. Looper's Delight J 4th round will do at our gig place,it called C.U.E. with webcast. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/ Yes,we can not cover flight cost, but we will can help for stay. and I think we can book 2 or 3 extra gigs in Kobe or Osaka.(Booking needs contact to venues about 2 or 3 month before) and I guess we can pay some fee (it variable rates venues and audiences). If someone have schedule visit to Japan this Sept or Oct, please arrange your schedule if you have interest.. Sorry for my poor English. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 01:14:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h565CaP16496; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:12:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:12:34 -0700 From: Tim Thompson Subject: RE: Burning Man Loopers In-reply-to: To: "'Reid Maxwell'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015901c32bea$3dc729b0$15a8a8c0@NOLA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > it's getting close. Any loopers going. I'm going, and intend to be doing an installation on the playa that lets people dance on pads to generate loopy music that controls the 24 lighted strings of a big lyre. See "Dancing Under the Stars of Lyra" here: http://www.burningman.com/themecamps_installations/installations/03_art_them e.html#dancing ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 01:38:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h565bKD18514; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:37:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:37:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605223419.04593008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:37:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Delay plugins help In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605184417.03ead128@spamarrest.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:51 PM 6/5/2003, Catilyne wrote: >At 11:39 AM 6/5/2003 +0000, Marco Brucale wrote: > >>I checked the cycling74 website and thay have a product called 'Radial' >>that was developed with max/msp and that if I understand it correctly is >>essentially a four-channel looper. not really, since you can't record live audio into it. It only works with pre-recorded samples. It is more of a live remixing tool. >In short, it got an overall rating of 8/10, with kudos for >innovoation. Worst thing they could say about it was that they hated the >'look & feel' of the GUI -- citing that it was as close an homage to the >interfaces of the old Commodores or Ataris as they'd seen in a while. that's funny, I thought the interface was the whole point about radial.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 07:26:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56BOEL07481; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:24:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030606112408.41518.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 04:24:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: vocal loop rig/feedback destroyer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- sserendipity wrote: > I have 3 of them [Behringer Feedback Destroyers]... 3!?! Are you talking about the 1124 or the Shark? Thanks for your input. And Hans. (And Squid!) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 10:06:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56E2ti19843; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:02:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:02:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016501c32c34$76f69960$45e75cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #324 for June 5, 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:03:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0162_01C32C12.E34B4420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0162_01C32C12.E34B4420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #324 June 5, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on the soundworld bliss of = Steve Roach, who has been called the USA's Premeire Electronic Ambient Sound Sorcerer. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Mystic Chords & Sacred = Spaces," disc one of the four CD boxed set "Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces" on the Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Le Parc" by Tangerine Dream on = Relativity Records. I also played the music of sone of the artists who will be performing at = the Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June = 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. Steve Roach - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jun Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Tanferine Dream Bois de Boulongne Le Parc (Relativity) Joint Intelligence Dimensional Distortion Grow (Bogus Focus) Committee Eric W=F8llo In the Picture Emotional Landscapes = (Spotted Peccary) Eric W=F8llo Metaphor Emotional Landscapes = (Spotted Peccary) Jeffrey Koepper Between Dreams Etherea (Air Space) Jeff Pearce The Emergence To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Robert Rich Pa Tanak Temple of the Invisible (Soundscape = Productions) 12:00 am =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Roach Palace of Nectar MC&SS (Projekt) Steve Roach Oracle MC&SS (Projekt) Steve Roach Within the Mystic MC&SS (Projekt) Steve Roach Presence MC&SS (Projekt) Steve Roach Vortex Ring * MC&SS (Projekt) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach = and his new box set release. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Labyrinth," = the second disc from the "Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces" boxed set on the = Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Memorymetropolis" by Clara = Mondshine on the IC label. I will also play the music of one of the artists who will be performing = at the Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June = 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0162_01C32C12.E34B4420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #324       =20             June 5, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on the = soundworld=20 bliss of Steve
Roach, who has been called the USA's Premeire = Electronic=20 Ambient Sound
Sorcerer.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Mystic = Chords=20 & Sacred Spaces,"
disc one of the four CD boxed set "Mystic = Chords &=20 Sacred Spaces" on the
Projekt label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Le Parc" by Tangerine Dream on=20 Relativity
Records.
 
I also played the music of sone of the artists who will be = performing at=20 the
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.
 
Steve Roach - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jun
=
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Tanferine=20 Dream         Bois de=20 Boulongne        Le Parc=20 (Relativity)
Joint Intelligence      = Dimensional=20 Distortion   Grow (Bogus Focus)
  Committee
Eric=20 W=F8llo           =   =20 In the = Picture          =20 Emotional Landscapes=20 (Spotted
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Peccary)
Eric=20 W=F8llo           =   =20 Metaphor           = ;     =20 Emotional Landscapes=20 (Spotted
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Peccary)
Jeffrey = Koepper        =20 Between = Dreams          =20 Etherea (Air Space)
Jeff=20 Pearce           &= nbsp;=20 The = Emergence          &nbs= p;=20 To the Shores of=20 Heaven
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 (Hypnos)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp; Pa=20 Tanak           &n= bsp;    =20 Temple of the=20 Invisible
          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 (Soundscape Productions)
 
12:00 = am
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Palace of Nectar         = MC&SS=20 (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Oracle           &= nbsp;      =20 MC&SS (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Within the Mystic        MC&SS=20 (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Presence           = ;     =20 MC&SS (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Vortex Ring = *           =20 MC&SS (Projekt)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Steve Roach and his
new box set release.  The Featured CD at = Midnight=20 will be "Labyrinth," the
second disc from the "Mystic Chords & = Sacred=20 Spaces" boxed set on the Projekt
label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Memorymetropolis" by Clara = Mondshine=20 on
the IC label.
 
I will also play the music of one of the artists who will be = performing at=20 the
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0162_01C32C12.E34B4420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 10:59:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56EqV624566; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:52:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: best DL 4 Exp Pedal Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:52:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 14:52:25.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E3FD850:01C32C3B] Resent-Message-ID: <9aK4KD.A.t_F.vqK4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cheers duncan, you probably saved me a small fortune! I cant wait to get this DL-4 it sounds great! Phill. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 11:08:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56F5aK26456; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:05:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:05:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004e01c32a2a$d20bfd60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <004001c32a28$c9df0300$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <004e01c32a2a$d20bfd60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:05:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Ableton Live Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug seems to know LIVE (I type it capital to avoid double meanings): >Those are good observations. "Overdub-like" activities can be done with >multiple clip slots. Multiply, with overdub, isn't directly available - but >can be done in a similar fashion. > >I don't have any latency issues (ASIO driver works with ~10ms latency), and >the interface is actually very simple to manage with MIDI. "Next Loop" is >easy enough - just start recording in the next slot, which is assigned to a >MIDI pedal. Also, the reason I recently asked about a program to fire off >keyboard macros based on MIDI note input - is because I can use it to get to >a lot of functions in Live via my FCB1010. can you please tell us how you do it in very practical terms? what switches do you program and how do you proceed with them? can we maybe put a "LIVE Live Looping manual" together here? This will also explain where the disadvantages are and serve Ableton as a guide to improve their thing... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 12:51:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56Gi8q03492; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:44:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:44:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EE05532.2879@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:47:47 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping bassists unite! References: <20030606112408.41518.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems to me there are enough bassists on this list to make a nice multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in hearing everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable product) But,as a new dad, I would need some help coordinating,mastering, burning etc. Anyone interested...... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 13:16:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56HDBn07966; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:13:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:13:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054917714!4293 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB130@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Samplers Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:39:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32C4A.3E77DA70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C4A.3E77DA70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I'm more apt to buy a unit that I think has a lot of interesting or usable sounds and go from there.<< I stopped using samplers about 8 months ago. a couple of weeks before going to the states for our first gigs there, I bought an esi4000, the idea being that we'd use it instead of a pair of esi32s we have. I fitted it with 128Mb of ram and a syquest and it broke down while we were rehearsing. in a fit of pique, I decided to port all the important stuff onto a ram card for an alesis s4 module instead. this worked fine, and aswell as forcing us to be ruthless with the number and size of the samples, allowed us greater flexibility in terms of modulation and patch building/layering. so last night I finally got around to some esi maintenance- fixing the syquest drives, migrating some banks onto zip instead and so forth, and in the course of this work, I had cause to audition a few of the longer samples. I was horrified to be reminded just how sterile they sounded, like little recordings of something rather than a note from an instrument (and this from a mellotron owner!). so they are all back in storage. I now have three s4's, a supernova rack, an expanded audity module and a planet earth. somehow, they feel more like instruments than the samplers do. just my three pennies worth. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C4A.3E77DA70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Samplers

>>I'm more apt to buy a unit that I think has
a lot of interesting or usable sounds and go from there.= <<

I stopped using samplers about 8 months ago. a couple of = weeks before going to the states for our first gigs there, I bought an esi4= 000, the idea being that we'd use it instead of a pair of esi32s we have. I= fitted it with 128Mb of ram and a syquest and it broke down while we were = rehearsing. in a fit of pique, I decided to port all the important stuff on= to a ram card for an alesis s4 module instead. this worked fine, and aswell= as forcing us to be ruthless with the number and size of the samples, allo= wed us greater flexibility in terms of modulation and patch building/layeri= ng.

so last night I finally got around to some esi maintenanc= e- fixing the syquest drives, migrating some banks onto zip instead and so = forth, and in the course of this work, I had cause to audition a few of the= longer samples. I was horrified to be reminded just how sterile they sound= ed, like little recordings of something rather than a note from an instrume= nt (and this from a mellotron owner!). so they are all back in storage. I n= ow have three s4's, a supernova rack, an expanded audity module and a plane= t earth. somehow, they feel more like instruments than the samplers do.

just my three pennies worth.

duncan.



***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=
------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C4A.3E77DA70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 13:21:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56HJFD08948; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:19:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:19:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030606171909.41982.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EE05532.2879@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds like fun. i'm game. evan --- scott kungha drengsen wrote: > It seems to me there are enough bassists on this > list to make a nice > multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in > hearing > everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable > product) But,as a new dad, > I would need some help coordinating,mastering, > burning etc. > Anyone interested...... > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 13:32:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56HUWD10338; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:30:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:30:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c32c51$5a646d50$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030606171909.41982.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:30:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm up for it. > --- scott kungha drengsen > wrote: > > It seems to me there are enough bassists on this > > list to make a nice > > multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in > > hearing > > everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable > > product) But,as a new dad, > > I would need some help coordinating,mastering, > > burning etc. > > Anyone interested...... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 13:39:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56HcZQ11567; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.22.146] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:38:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 17:38:28.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[709C7CB0:01C32C52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott.....you know I am up to at least contributing. I am working on two new cd projects right now, but will be willing to do what I can. Get in touch with me, and we can discuss it further. Max >From: scott kungha drengsen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: looping bassists unite! >Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:47:47 +0100 > >It seems to me there are enough bassists on this list to make a nice >multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in hearing >everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable product) But,as a new dad, >I would need some help coordinating,mastering, burning etc. >Anyone interested...... > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 13:42:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56HfJE12000; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:41:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:41:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030606174117.90881.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: July Issue of Home Recording To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EE05532.2879@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tips & Techniques has an article on performing live with laptops. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 13:51:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56HmZG12858; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:48:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:48:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030606174834.88165.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:48:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EE05532.2879@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of Loopy bassist - this link is rather old but there are some cool things going on here with Devin Sarno and Nels Cline. I believe Devin uses a DL4 - http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/349/nels_cline__devin_sarno.html and check his site out when you get a chance. http://www.devinsarno.com/sound.html --- scott kungha drengsen wrote: > It seems to me there are enough bassists on this > list to make a nice > multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in > hearing > everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable > product) But,as a new dad, > I would need some help coordinating,mastering, > burning etc. > Anyone interested...... > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 13:52:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56HoTN13331; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:50:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:50:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605223419.04593008@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605223419.04593008@loopers-delight.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:50:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Delay plugins help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >that's funny, I thought the interface was the whole point about radial.... no, i don't think so. there's a lot under the hood. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 13:56:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56HscQ14000; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:54:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:54:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c32c54$aef56a60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <004001c32a28$c9df0300$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <004e01c32a2a$d20bfd60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Ableton Live Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:54:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm at work right now, but will do my best to write up a detailed explanation of what I do this evening. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Ableton Live > Doug seems to know LIVE (I type it capital to avoid double meanings): > > >Those are good observations. "Overdub-like" activities can be done with > >multiple clip slots. Multiply, with overdub, isn't directly available - but > >can be done in a similar fashion. > > > >I don't have any latency issues (ASIO driver works with ~10ms latency), and > >the interface is actually very simple to manage with MIDI. "Next Loop" is > >easy enough - just start recording in the next slot, which is assigned to a > >MIDI pedal. Also, the reason I recently asked about a program to fire off > >keyboard macros based on MIDI note input - is because I can use it to get to > >a lot of functions in Live via my FCB1010. > > can you please tell us how you do it in very practical terms? > what switches do you program and how do you proceed with them? > > can we maybe put a "LIVE Live Looping manual" together here? > This will also explain where the disadvantages are and serve Ableton > as a guide to improve their thing... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 14:13:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56ICkB16382; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:12:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: the function of some music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apart from styles and genre there seem to be the function of the music: ambient / dance / concentration / propoganda / soundtrack / education / support for lyrics / ... for the user, its probably more important what music is made for than what style it uses. Thats why a CD shop rather uses functional than stylistic bins. So maybe "genre" is as unprecise as the shop bin: a style or a function, whatever serves better. Some music is not made with an aim, but when its distributed, the aim usually is defined. The user may be used to judge himself which style has which function, but thats where most of the confusion is hidden! Most styles can be interpreted for different aims but the public opinion inhibits that to some degree with preconceptions The label Live Looping certainly does not define such a function, but thats what some of us seem to be afraid of. Anyway, "ambient" seems to be a function and not a style or a genre and it may be the biggest market! Incredible also how we abuse. For example I see a lot of people listen to dancing music without dancing, so its missused as ambient, no? Not a real problem, but a pity since the musician could work more precisely if he knew where the music is going to end up. Just compare to other market segments like clothes for example. As long we do not know the definition of "genre", how can we know whether Live Looping is one? Dont try to get it precise, its just language :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 14:30:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56ISaq18000; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:28:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:28:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:28:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: the function of some music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:12 PM +0100 6/6/03, Matthias Grob wrote: >I see a lot of people listen to dancing music without dancing, so >its missused as ambient, no? It seems to me that ambient music is intended to merge into the local soundscape and not to be actively listened to. Therefore if one listens attentively to ambient music, the music is being misused. >As long we do not know the definition of "genre", how can we know >whether Live Looping is one? I haven't been paying attention to this debate, but I'll make one comment: Style is a subset of genre. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 14:55:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56Ir2l20411; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EE0E405.46A1D7D1@ripco.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:57:08 -0500 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: [Fwd: Matthew Sperry RIP] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't know Matthew, but apparently he was a friend of a lot of mine in the Bay Area, perhaps he was a member of this community, too? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Matthew Sperry RIP Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:29:14 -0700 From: modisti mail-list: Philip Gelb To: phil@philipgelb.com I usually send out announcements of my concerts and of the meridian music series concerts to this list. I am very saddened to have to send this announcement. Those who know me personally, know that Matthew Sperry was a very close friend for many years as well as a bass player i often worked with. In 1990, i attended graduate school at the Florida State University School of Music. Shortly after arriving i was looking for a place to live and someone introduced me to Matt who was a junior at the music school, studying bass. I ended up moving into his apartment and for 2 years we were roommates. A close friendship began that we knew would last a lifetime but i had no idea that would be cut short by yesterdays tragedy when he was hit by a truck while riding his bicycle to work in Oakland. I introduced Matt to new and avant garde music and he joined the New World Ensemble, a new music group that i was directing at the music school. While in this ensemble, Matt had a chance to play with the great composer, Leo Smith before moving to Seattle. This performance obviously influenced his direction that he took his music in. I remember asking him why he was moving to Seattle as neither he nor i had ever been there before. His reply, with his usual smile and great attitude was "Seattle is very far from Florida (a place he grew up and wanted to get far away from". So shortly after graduating, he packed his car and went far across the country. We remained in close contact and when i first went out west, we played some trio concerts with violist Christian Asplund and other trios with percussionist Gino Robair. Eventually i moved to California I would make semi regular trips to Seattle and always crashed in his living room, sharing many wonderful meals together as we both loved to eat and cook. And always playing music together. Matt helped me to become an invited soloist with the Seattle Creative Orchestra, a group he helped to start. And he would come and visit the Bay area and perform with me, Dana Reason, Pauline Oliveros and numerous others. I was elated when Matt and his fiance, Stacia decided to move to California as well. We were back in the same town together and playing music regularly and spending a lot of time together. Both our music careers were moving along well and we were often either on stage together or one of us was on stage while the other one was in the audience enjoying themselves immensely. Stacia and Matt finally were married and i was asked to be in the wedding band to help them celebrate. The birth of their beautiful daughter, Leila, a little over 2 years ago brought tears to my eyes and i remember coming to their home the following day and seeing the most blissed out expression on Matt's face. From then on, he was a very dedicated father who loved his daughter immensely. I always thought Leila was very fortunate to have a dad who was so kind and so much fun and so open. Leila also seems to have a severe fascination with the sound of the shakuhachi and would be transfixed as soon as i let out one note. I will never forget, 2 years ago, at a concert i had with Pauline Oliveros and Dana Reason, i began the concert with a solo piece, playing an old Jewish melody, "Baym Rebbe Sude". As soon as i played the first note, i heard the sound of Leila in the audience, let out a happy yelp. Right after the concert, Matt came up to me and said, "since when are you playing Jewish music on shakuhachi"?. That question began a new duet project of us playing old Jewish tunes. Unfortunately we never did get to record this project. We did release one CD together a few years back which is now sadly out of print, a 4tet with Carla Kihlstedt and John Shiurba. Last year, Matt played a key role in the big Pauline Oliveros 70th birthday party that i was part of the organizing committee by playing in the orchestra as well as putting together a performance of her piece, "Double Basses at 20 paces" The last several months we have not seen much of each other. We traded many phone calls and emails talking about what each were doing. He became very busy playing in the Hedwig stage show as well as being a very devoted dad and husband and I was on tour alot. In January, we gave what is our last performance and recording together. Christian Asplund, now a professor of music at BYU was out here and wrote some new trio pieces for viola, shakuhachi and bass and we recorded them and performed them in Berkeley. Matt and i planned to meet next week and maybe have dinner together at Chaya, one of our favorite places to eat. Yesterday afternoon i received the devastating phone call about his accident. Some of Matthew's friends have organized a web page where we can share our thoughts and feelings on this tragedy. Check it out at: http://birdhouse.org/blog/archives/000884.php -- Philip Gelb Bay Area Shakuhachi School phil@philipgelb.com http://www.philipgelb.com mail-list by http://modisti.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 15:03:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56J26B21630; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:02:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:02:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030606190200.39078.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: the function of some music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > It seems to me that ambient music is intended to > merge into the local soundscape and not to be >actively listened to. > Therefore if one listens attentively to ambient >music, the music is being misused. That statement is true to the spirit of Satie's 'Vexations' and music meant to mingle with the sounds of knives and forks, but is possibly only part of the story. Brian Eno's notes on one of his earliest ambient albums (Music for Airports, I think, but I don't have it in front of me) describe another important aspect of ambient music. Eno was in bed recovering from having been hit by a car, and a friend brought over an LP of some very quiet 17th century harp music, put the record on and left. After she had left, Eno realized that the volume on the stereo was set much too low, but was not feeling up to getting out of bed to fix it. As he listened to the record, he could only hear the loudest notes, and had a sort of epiphany regarding another way of listening to music in the context of ambient sounds. It wasn't that he wasn't listening attentively, but rather, the 'local soundscape' was an integral part of the listening experience. So, at a performance of ambient music, I believe the audience *should* listen attentively, not only to the sounds made by the performer(s), but also to the way those sounds interact with traffic noises, passersby, the air conditioner, incidental flatulence, et cetera. Hmmmm, in this context, I guess we could look at the noisy footswitches on certain loopers in a different light! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 15:07:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56J5SB22098; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:05:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:05:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c32c5e$95939150$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:05:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C32C66.F7368EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 19:05:27.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[97503570:01C32C5E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C32C66.F7368EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im lookig to slim down my recording gear, i use Steinberge nuendo on the = pc . I'm looking into getting a laptop, but i am finding it hard to get any = reliable figures on track count, etc Anyone using a laptop for recording ? David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C32C66.F7368EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Im lookig to slim down my recording = gear, i use=20 Steinberge nuendo on the pc .
I'm looking into getting a laptop, = but i=20 am finding it hard to get any reliable figures on track count, = etc
 
Anyone using a laptop for recording=20 ?
 
David Swain
 
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
= http://www.davidswain= .pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C32C66.F7368EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 15:16:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56JCvu22827; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EE0E686.F0D21503@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:07:51 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eleon@ripco.com, Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: [Fwd: Matthew Sperry RIP] References: <3EE0E405.46A1D7D1@ripco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is very sad. I never met Matthew, but was addicted to seeing the SF production of Hedwig & the Angry Inch and loved his playing and presence there, and enjoyed his improv work as well as more straightahead stuff with Tom Waits, David Byrne, etc. It's always hard to hear of a musician leaving us who had so much more to offer. thanks for posting this. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > I didn't know Matthew, but apparently he was a friend of a lot of mine > in the Bay Area, perhaps he was a member of this community, too? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 15:17:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56JEro23128; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:14:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:14:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030606191451.55504.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: the function of some music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 7:12 PM +0100 6/6/03, Matthias Grob wrote: > > >I see a lot of people listen to dancing music without dancing, so > >its missused as ambient, no? > > It seems to me that ambient music is intended to merge into the local > soundscape and not to be actively listened to. Therefore if one > listens attentively to ambient music, the music is being misused. My impression was that ambient music wasn't so much interesting in -merging- with the local landscape as -creating- it's own "local landscape". Using this definition, actively listening to it would be optional, but not required, in the same sense that we can actively listen and observe our surroundings or allow them to blur into the background of our thoughts, more or less unnoticed. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 15:33:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56JRRN24302; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:27:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:27:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030606192726.44712.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Hearing parts that aren't there (was: Re: the function of some music) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030606190200.39078.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0AsARD.A.l7F.fsO4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Brian Eno's notes on one of his earliest > ambient albums (Music for Airports, I think, but I > don't have it in front of me) describe another > important aspect of ambient music. Eno was in bed > recovering from having been hit by a car, and a friend > brought over an LP of some very quiet 17th century > harp music, put the record on and left. After she had > left, Eno realized that the volume on the stereo was > set much too low, but was not feeling up to getting > out of bed to fix it. As he listened to the record, he > could only hear the loudest notes, and had a sort of > epiphany regarding another way of listening to music > in the context of ambient sounds. It wasn't that he > wasn't listening attentively, but rather, the 'local > soundscape' was an integral part of the listening > experience. Interesting, I'd never read that. But this happens to me periodically, in fact, it's something I actively do to stoke my creativity. My car stereo has this nifty "feature" of resetting the volume to some standard (very low) level when the car is turned off. Some of the music I listen to is recorded at relatively low volumes and at the stereo's "standard volume" I can't hear anything but the loudest notes in the music above the noise floor of the engine and the road. What I find happening sometimes is that my mind starts filling in the pieces to construct a more complete musical piece. But they're not the same pieces from the original music! I hear new rhythms, new melodys, and textures that aren't there. Just something my mind formulates while trying to make sense of the little bit of music it's periodically hearing. It happened by accident the first time, and I was surprised to find a song I knew well playing away when I raised the volume of the stereo...and kind of disappointing, since I was enjoying what my mind was formulating on it's own. Now I actively persue finding that magic volume, where I'm hearing enough information for my mind to hear and start working over, but not so much that it starts latching onto the original song. It doesn't hurt in this discovery that my car is becoming a noisy bucket of bolts, so the noise floor is much higher then it used to be. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 15:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56JW0h24796; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:32:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:32:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030606193158.66220.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00d701c32c5e$95939150$6401a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3OxZ4D.A.UDG.vwO4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Swain wrote: > Im lookig to slim down my recording gear, i use Steinberge nuendo on the pc . > I'm looking into getting a laptop, but i am finding it hard to get any reliable > figures on track count, etc > > Anyone using a laptop for recording ? I don't use one myself, but I believe a lot of the companies that produce recording software include a tool which you can use to estimate how many tracks your computer is capable of. Perhaps you could take the tool with you when shopping for a laptop and try it out? My understanding is that the biggest problem you'll run into is the speed of the small form factor hard drives they put into laptops. Most of them are 5400 rpm or slower, creating more latency in getting the data you want on and off of them then a faster drive would. Plus, you generally only get one drive, so you have your OS competing for I/O with your recording software. I've heard of people doing recording on laptops though, so I know it's possible, so good luck. Maybe it'll do what you need (though perhaps less then what you might ultimately want?). Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 15:57:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56Jt1S27495; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:55:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030606192726.44712.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: OT - dynamics processors Re: Hearing parts that aren't there (was: Re: the function of some music) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:54:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 19:54:54.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FDB1890:01C32C65] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On a vaguely related note, I've been looking for a software based dynamics processor with a >negative< ratio controls - not fractional like an expander, but actually negative. If any such beast exists, please let me know. Dbx used to make a hardware one. This would allow you to make the quiet parts loud, and the loud parts quiet. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Hearing parts that aren't there (was: Re: the function of some music) > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > > Brian Eno's notes on one of his earliest > > ambient albums (Music for Airports, I think, but I > > don't have it in front of me) describe another > > important aspect of ambient music. Eno was in bed > > recovering from having been hit by a car, and a friend > > brought over an LP of some very quiet 17th century > > harp music, put the record on and left. After she had > > left, Eno realized that the volume on the stereo was > > set much too low, but was not feeling up to getting > > out of bed to fix it. As he listened to the record, he > > could only hear the loudest notes, and had a sort of > > epiphany regarding another way of listening to music > > in the context of ambient sounds. It wasn't that he > > wasn't listening attentively, but rather, the 'local > > soundscape' was an integral part of the listening > > experience. > > Interesting, I'd never read that. But this happens to me periodically, in fact, > it's something I actively do to stoke my creativity. My car stereo has this nifty > "feature" of resetting the volume to some standard (very low) level when the car > is turned off. Some of the music I listen to is recorded at relatively low > volumes and at the stereo's "standard volume" I can't hear anything but the > loudest notes in the music above the noise floor of the engine and the road. > > What I find happening sometimes is that my mind starts filling in the pieces to > construct a more complete musical piece. But they're not the same pieces from the > original music! I hear new rhythms, new melodys, and textures that aren't there. > Just something my mind formulates while trying to make sense of the little bit of > music it's periodically hearing. > > It happened by accident the first time, and I was surprised to find a song I knew > well playing away when I raised the volume of the stereo...and kind of > disappointing, since I was enjoying what my mind was formulating on it's own. Now > I actively persue finding that magic volume, where I'm hearing enough information > for my mind to hear and start working over, but not so much that it starts > latching onto the original song. It doesn't hurt in this discovery that my car is > becoming a noisy bucket of bolts, so the noise floor is much higher then it used > to be. > > Greg > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 15:59:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56JvfT28071; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:57:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:57:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054929453!12018 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB137@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: looping bassists unite! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:29:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32C59.A05C4960" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C59.A05C4960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" good idea! I don't mind doing the assembly work- I love editing and mastering, and I'm pretty good at artworky stuff too..... (goes into dark place and puts gun to head....) duncan. -----Original Message----- From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] Sent: 06 June 2003 09:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping bassists unite! It seems to me there are enough bassists on this list to make a nice multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in hearing everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable product) But,as a new dad, I would need some help coordinating,mastering, burning etc. Anyone interested...... *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C59.A05C4960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: looping bassists unite!

good idea!
I don't mind doing the assembly work- I love editing and mastering, and I'm pretty good at artworky stuff too.....

(goes into dark place and puts gun to head....)


duncan.

-----Original Message-----
From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net]
Sent: 06 June 2003 09:48
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: looping bassists unite!


It seems to me there are enough bassists on this list to make a nice
multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in hearing
everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable product) But,as a new dad,
I would need some help coordinating,mastering, burning etc.
Anyone interested......



***************************************************************************
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************
 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C59.A05C4960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 16:17:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56KFZi30643; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:15:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:15:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:15:28 -0700 Subject: Re: the function of some music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9DE33FCE-985B-11D7-9C5B-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the most troublesome things for me is when I perform ambient music. The fact that it's a performance makes people think they have to actively listen or they're being impolite. However, it's not what I intended for the music. The other side of that coin, is what I'm doing is performing to be semi ignored, which feels weird. I often leave a gig thinking, "Why did I drag all this stuff out? I'd have been better off with a small CD based DJ setup and recordings of my music." This was the main reason behind my move to a mini-rig with a 5 min setup time. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 11:28 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 7:12 PM +0100 6/6/03, Matthias Grob wrote: > >> I see a lot of people listen to dancing music without dancing, so its >> missused as ambient, no? > > It seems to me that ambient music is intended to merge into the local > soundscape and not to be actively listened to. Therefore if one > listens attentively to ambient music, the music is being misused. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 16:26:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56KOxR32247; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:24:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:24:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1054702090.2758.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <1054702090.2758.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:24:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >But i'm rambling... basically, my point is that i'm not a weird musician >because i loop - i loop because i'm a weird musician. no, you take the risk to try a new way and others find that weird. >As long as i keep trying to surprise myself with new sounds, i'm >going to be stuck playing by myself, or with the very few other >musicians who actually dig what i play. seems that most people dont like to be surprised they want the hamburger to taste the same every day (which is quite dificult to achieve with anything that comes rather directly from nature), while I try to cook every day a little different. Repetition is security is boring Change is risk is interesting >I suspect many of you are in the same boat. Do you play alone because >you like it that way, or because no one else will play with you? I hardly ever play alone. If no one comes to listen or play, I edit recordings, recently only duos and trios... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 16:33:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56KW4k01461; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:32:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:32:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c32c6a$ae000be0$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <20030606193158.66220.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:31:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 20:32:03.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[B07307B0:01C32C6A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? > --- David Swain wrote: > > Im lookig to slim down my recording gear, i use Steinberge nuendo on the pc . > > I'm looking into getting a laptop, but i am finding it hard to get any reliable > > figures on track count, etc > > > > Anyone using a laptop for recording ? > > I don't use one myself, but I believe a lot of the companies that produce > recording software include a tool which you can use to estimate how many tracks > your computer is capable of. Perhaps you could take the tool with you when > shopping for a laptop and try it out? > > My understanding is that the biggest problem you'll run into is the speed of the > small form factor hard drives they put into laptops. Most of them are 5400 rpm or > slower, creating more latency in getting the data you want on and off of them > then a faster drive would. Plus, you generally only get one drive, so you have > your OS competing for I/O with your recording software. > > I've heard of people doing recording on laptops though, so I know it's possible, > so good luck. Maybe it'll do what you need (though perhaps less then what you > might ultimately want?). > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 16:34:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56KX1C01790; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c32c6a$d0543180$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <20030606193158.66220.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:32:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 20:32:59.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[D20C8FE0:01C32C6A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good idea about the software ! I'm on a fairly tight budget, iwas going to get an external firewire drive for audio (which i believe will be faster) Im after 'moveable' more than 'portable' if you know what i mean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? > --- David Swain wrote: > > Im lookig to slim down my recording gear, i use Steinberge nuendo on the pc . > > I'm looking into getting a laptop, but i am finding it hard to get any reliable > > figures on track count, etc > > > > Anyone using a laptop for recording ? > > I don't use one myself, but I believe a lot of the companies that produce > recording software include a tool which you can use to estimate how many tracks > your computer is capable of. Perhaps you could take the tool with you when > shopping for a laptop and try it out? > > My understanding is that the biggest problem you'll run into is the speed of the > small form factor hard drives they put into laptops. Most of them are 5400 rpm or > slower, creating more latency in getting the data you want on and off of them > then a faster drive would. Plus, you generally only get one drive, so you have > your OS competing for I/O with your recording software. > > I've heard of people doing recording on laptops though, so I know it's possible, > so good luck. Maybe it'll do what you need (though perhaps less then what you > might ultimately want?). > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 16:41:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56KagP02872; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:36:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:36:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c32c6b$5beda690$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <9DE33FCE-985B-11D7-9C5B-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: OT: Seeking advice - Guitar distortion plugins. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:36:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone recommend a plugin, or series of them, for getting a very gainey, gated, guitar distortion (ala Meshuggah)? Preferably freebie plugins, but I don't care. DirectX is my preferred API. I had asked about hardware solutions to this previously, but am now instead trying to get the most out of my computer (since the CPU usage meter seems to top out at 50%, why not tax it to the max?). -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 16:56:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56KsUp05325; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:54:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:54:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Let's cause a scene! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:54:26 -0500 Message-ID: <00bc01c32c6d$d15657e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Repetition is security is boring this statement seems a bit strange coming from a looper. and a bit absolute coming from a free thinker... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 16:57:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56Kt5d05400; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:55:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Costerus" To: Subject: Roland V-drums looping Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:54:54 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c32c6d$e4371b60$8c00000a@mikep4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C32C7E.A7BFEB60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000F1AB2B13E3879A4E972C2B8CB8B3F95224E62000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C32C7E.A7BFEB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Guys, (Sorry for the midi Q:, read all through the Archive but didn't find a A:) Here a brainteaser: Here's my basic V-drums kit from Roland: http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?CatID=3D5&SubCatID=3D22&Prod= ID=3DV-Cl ub%20Set I'm Looking ALL OVER for the following LIVE feature: - I want to trigger midi recording (START:MIDI controller->PC->sequencer?) it with the LEFT cymbal; - Play my rhythm; - End my recording with LEFT cymbal (STOP;or whatever else I can use to control Eg: extra pad)=20 - Have my recording autolooped (so RETURNING recorded MIDI loop info to my V-Drums Module, NO time sync etc, just my START-END) - Play along (layered) with my previous recorded loop - Initiate another (LEFT cymbal midi controller START signal) recording - END with layered recording (LEFT cymbal or other pad/controller input) - And so on....Additionally changing volume of MIDI playback, tempo etc- Just like the Boomerang Phrase Sampler http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/boomerang/boomerang.html with = imaginary external controls or the Boss RC-20 Loop Station http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/RC20/boss-rc20.html idem BUT WHAT SOFTWARE SEQUENCER/LOOPER GIVES ME THIS POWER for LIVE performance???? I've tried: Ambiloops Ableton Live Fruiteyloops 4.1 Propellerheads Reason 2.5 Acid Pro 4 Smartmonkey Midget 3.5 Cakewalk A S O (and so on)..... I' flipping out here! WHY CAN'T THIS BE DONE in this modern time and = age? Dear Loopers/unite RESPOND! Cheers, MIKE ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C32C7E.A7BFEB60 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" eJ8+IjoUAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGgAMADgAAANMHBgAGABYANgAAAAUANwEB A5AGAAwaAAAoAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAB4AcAAB AAAAFwAAAFJvbGFuZCBWLWRydW1zIGxvb3BpbmcAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAHDLG3hcw6vmMd0Okr+ kS5l/MAzUjUAAAIBHQwBAAAAHAAAAFNNVFA6TUlLRUNPU1RFUlVTQFlBSE9PLkNPTQALAAEOAAAA AEAABg4AJCXBbSzDAQIBCg4BAAAAGAAAAAAAAADxqysT44eaTpcsK4y4s/lSwoAAAAMAFA4AAAAA CwAfDgEAAAACAQkQAQAAAMoVAADGFQAA0EwAAExaRnWgEt6PAwAKAHJjcGcxMjUaMgxgYwBQAQRz dHPiaAVwYmNoDvUJAA+HZmgN4A+WYmkBQwtgbpEOEDAzMxGmZmUSIj8B9wKkA2MCAA+ACsBzZUJ0 AtFwcnEyAAAqyQqhbm8U4CAwAdAB0MI2EjAwNTA0FrEB0PkWoDR9B20CgwBQA9QUj/0Vm2IWcRbg FkIbhBdgBxOvAoMOUARVGU0xFYw3FpH+ORYzFwIW4BdgCFUHsgKD/xJQFC0c4RoOFsAWwBIgAdDP EiAfUBaAH9I3fQa0GHRPAtQh/yMLJ+99VwuAZypkKSFzGHQxIX8yM4o4JrQgB20gQ0UppZ40Ki8W 0CtfLGV5cimlvjYUHjCQGMEuvwOCRwnRamsppTcwvzYmpTJPVO8IcCmlK0Ew3Tc0ETV/A4KQKEhl Yglwdykppfo5N383K085pgcQAaAN4Hc6hQwBND44MKE8bwOCQv0HQHQN4D41GMEw3ioRQA9FOdNW CJB0bmEHgWW/PiYqERj8KygHEyy3Mi1R70Y9LndHtTAWMjChGPwxuPtHtDNZMjQRS441Rke0Nse+ MjwxS404h0e0OhwyOwH/UQ5HPD28FqBT7z/HR7RBWv4zGM9DOFKFRO8SQR0OKybuMSywIIgstzMt UV0uLnX7Xp0wFjMwoR0dMbZenDNZ/jM0EWNfJqRenDbHKzJmnvc4hV6cOhwzOwFpv14/a9K/PcsW 4G0PP7ZenEFaNFmxv2afQ1RrLVvbApEI5jsJb+owd89lDjA1ePp6EXnP/3rZeOR7AnlvfT98/Xx/ eq//eP8S8FDAgspQsoOvhLh45H9QsoM/hw+GzYZPhH+IRDl/DlCLlIzxhROM8AKCDxB5qmwHkGgJ 4HQAAHEDIR5sEYEFEAFAA/BkY3T2bAqxAGBzCrCQMBlwkHIIbnVtAgBhYXV0Ym8AYGRqdQ8QBRBn vGh0j5EKAY9gCgFpAZD8cDADskiREeUAUBKoCNBnCcCP8JQDbnCUWZXzM+EDMHNuZXgZwAewBbDn AMACcxWgY3MSIAMwkfA7KVBBgHYWEA8AGaBtaecQwJjgCfAgRAEQkaBBcDQgUArAYQnAk3BoIH5G AiGYFA8gKfCb4QNgdxcLMJJAAYBzKRBkdGjeQhJQkkAKsJjgbBIgPDB9nYRynfgQAJ1mAYCfZ2KN n2dynWEE8GVsbI/h/50wnNEBQA8gmTAAIEFhm+H/OkCegKLmCVCjBAyxoxOQYLmjBGRno+alYKTm aKL1/nYDMI8vkD+RT5Jfk2erEf8R85PlEuJIkZVcrKeuJJclfynwmVyXtEPAAaCOkJgXNd+Yuppw CNAc0JchYqiwCYD/AiCYko5hGZCoICnwsgAwgfFDsEh5cASQkwEzk5hT/jayLw4gs0+0W5tQoaCc cP8JgLUvNACYuhizDAGzELgy77e6mYkPALVBcwIgR+EPANkFoG1wFfK4X0UAwAMQs5tQl9F0dgWw C2BnEvD+N3bzFaCnkA8QAZGOkAAAv8IywiSZkAtRw3CoIC1CEDUn8DgfUDQ8MMIyaHl/OkCoIMLE jpCZMAlQxcNunxlQRfHGJoIAxrVqY6sR/8ekqwLF0gIQuYLIBQ8QCsD/AZAZwcmUCrChgMgFC4CZ 8f8ZwMLBxdLDcJdwzAbDli1ART/AORIgNTY2CoEn3SPgLQKCxiSpgGK+UQKA/6eAECEAYABBEMLQ Iw9i0CHPAtERcKiwk5JpLWMQqxL9AcFcx+DCNQzB0qKTAQHB/iDOwsWfxq/Hv8jPydaUgefKj8uf zK42N83QzcLOYv5vzr/PwBzS0a4tQHBR0ur/3+OTAd/i1E/VX9Zv13/Yj//Zn9qv27/cwxJQznEM YNIw8YzwOSA/3X/egSWi0a7/QhDSUdLq7eOTAe3i4b/iz3/j3+Tv5f/nD+gf6S/cwjh/OwDqpioA 60/eYyoR7O84/jjuHfvi70L74e+/8M/x3//y7/P/9Q/2H/cv3M/d39Gu/9JB0swJQ5MBCUL9r/6/ /8//AN8B7wL/BA8FH+o/+U/sX/nSJjQz0r0XQ5MBF0ILH/8MLw0/Dk8PXxBvEX8Sj/g//xSv+l/S NSfQ4A0lM5MBJTL/GR8aLxs/HE8dXx5vH38gj/8GLwc/JD8hgCVtMrImkjKx/ycPKB8pLyo/K08s Xy1vLn/vE58irxW/0iY2xJDSzECj75MBQKI0dkUiIM+ywkHD8L0XUDUXUFfw7gDB2G+igX+toWQg wohFBkNuRLu+8HVfOvGngJiAwdR34HZ3kSDUe1W1kG7JUG7Bxb+y/0myStO0ls/AqBHJUKhAo9Hx ohBuYmqooHhgmODP8FpcSjB4w7Gp8Hl4YFz9l2BwjrB3gGOgSjCacaPQ26jATbBkOvCxUG68oNEA t03BOfM4QHKy4VDxbY6w66ogRqBowUB6TZKlYMCQ7HJnq0BSYWg583GAP3D9pWB2UzlR8aqQ4VHE cNDhv1PQVLUvkJPwUwJR8HdVQ/1WdGpOkaxQnJBNkY5wtUDlZ6B2W+B3azqxgjBYck+hcKjglPE/ cHBnpmNlN6ogWdU4QG+qwKjAbHn+dEpQq0BGoEzxW2eqsMCQ/6ngqMBNwTWQqrCqIXeRtwD/v0Bz ALywNZCooDWQd5E6sf+ngFtwWWGoQLFQnIFbYXeR73eAphE1kKQga1ERRqBKMP1g8XedkF3Sl0Cr oKnwlWJ/q0Chgl6hOHHfUKGQmfFk914hqACdkHBIoKhAqKHe8P9g57+ynGBbELSXP0B0sD9w+79A qEBkp3KXUT9wTWFdcP90EEagZyJnkpVi0kJnI5pEf+BAvJBM80ngm8GpYGchbOZ2neBrEXVjl9Br Esny/2uiOrTSoqlgdHCs8GrRqWDz04DgkCAuwdRrJo0Aa8L/T1FsL20/bk9rgCQAqWBIYf9wD3Ef ci9rgJPwqWBfoG/f+3SvdbUpbpyCMHN/eG91lbhiICg+MXmfa1M2dy/ve/99D34fa2I3f3NsD4Dv /4H/eg2KAH+PhR+GL4c/a3H/IeCEH4m/is+L1VnQqIBacf+sQKtApz+oT6lfqm+rdJDC35LAv8q7 8qy0zfAzOYGs5f4zJACtjJf3mXMikD5Au9m/l4Y2oZg4mTckAKtAc7+6D7HQk1Ck0L/KT0sgR/B1 eXMsPjGa35vvnP+Xng/ABotQU8FAcnk0cv+gT6Ffom+jf8AGUPGlf6aP96efqK+/ynSqv6vPrN+t 7/+e6VpAr7+wz7Hfsu+kWr2QebtQIFG0z7Xftu+e6TrsLCBJgJRgIGNBr5BO0E9IkJTgvrFDIEFy 0SBp6TUQIGKUICBiwE/Qui/Huz+8T5aKcnF1WxBDIP/Aj8Gfwq+u+qpgOrG+cL9w/jrE78X/xw+3 /6RZegDJj8/Kn8uvzL+e+A0KkMLTVv5IaFHJIVqwkUEhMJLwRlD+OtNszn/Pj9Cf0a+kWdRC/9Zf 12/Yf9mPw7/Ez9x/3Y/73p+ey3O5sKVv4e/i/57L+15gntBj5i/nP+hP5B+e2vxWLVrQk8Dl4Fiw yMFl8NhtIFI4UFehOupjY6LvP0BjwGLAYIB5RILxge1RP8Ag6ojrb+x/7Y+kPEhZQFBFUkxJTp+g Ij/qf/OP9J/1r7P6TiBwOugvL3f9gC5l8PCSlJDiLkiAbS9wZfD+EGSwVHMvRWJpOQAukvE/AkMh IElEPTUmU4R1Yv/kMjImUP6hUwAR72BDbABwJfigU79m4Pgp+R/6L/s/nssi6mpfAw8EHwUvnstE gmQhIGEnY5OXIBZAbjMh0CAAANDJ6nn5us4RAIyCAKoAS6kLVAIADlAXDlFVDlFoBAB0DxFwADoA LwUPkXcP0y4AcgBvAABsAGEAbgBkUAB1AHMQMWMQcW3/D5EPYBBiEQIRgA8gEUAPoO0RAGUPERDA aRCREUIQwGMRQA9gPwBDELEPIEkAAEQAPQA1ACbUAFMREWIUmzIWsRWAxlASFRUEVgAtFJEQoHUV wiUWsTAVkRNCDlDg/w1dDfAO7w//EQ8SHxMvFD//FU8WXxdvGH8OUERg+CJjwPeewIjQatFjSQB6 8PhWUSH/+NBvcAffCO8J//xP/V/+b///fwCPAZslk/hvKB8pLyo/v9L8MR8yLzM/NE+kWUk2f/83 jzifOa/fz+DfPG89fz6Pf57L8FBA70H/Qw9EH6RZTEdmAFixeVBBTEyfgFb/96CqY79CWvBjUksh Rf9HD39IH0kvpFr3wEuwqmBaUHT+ddtvTf9PD1AfvTw2D1Nv/1R/VY9Wn9NWkACR0I2wQLD/kFCQ yVhbWx8/b7+wYLCS4NlYYWRiYfOVUW9h8Vhg6CAtXAwwYpClkXQMUN4taVKR0I6ikhxqakBdwvtj oGOAeI6ikv+UBC4QWHD/lG+VcY6ilc8LdlhvWX9aj/NgPzrnIHeXoMAglDCvkP2UwWfbULm0UqAs 8JDwSyI/WD9s723/bw+kWaUQVEF8UlTJb3PfdO91/57aTd8usHDALPCOgCxhbNtQeD8PeU96X3tv pFktPlBDr4MAiBBAgJowY9tQP34f/38vgD+BT826cs+FD4Yfhy//ntrv8ZJQv0C/M4kfii+LP+OM T0o6RUZUjs+P35Dvo5H/pFpjeW3qEGyT/8+VD5Yfly9hGiczY7CZb/+af5uPnJ9cj12fXq+hb51P O2HfYu1Qn3DmEOYBcmj+eb9AaCCeX59voH+mL6Kf/6OvpL+lz67/p++o/2Oxq1/vrG+tf7Mv7shF yQGqcnJH/44zk7KOv7fvuP+6D+6qmP//vj+/T8BfwW+9f8PfxO/F/9l3DU9QqwJMAXdnoECwXnZx sQxwg2BwsWPI0CD/aSDUcHExfXXH38jvyf/LD7n2ukVn8NCxEWrwIGYA/mTPr9C/0c/S34hP1b/W z//X39jvr8+w37Hv3Z+0D7Uf+WMaSGHN0LwM2o/bn9yv/+Jf9rloYudP6F/pb+p/9rmRTKBvcGVk IChzcUBAUkVUVVJO99BH/+c/7X/uj++fnYq8RPGh8r+/88/03/XvfH7xYo3wbkvwp3EiqnEBkERy aBBzfRBDLVF94CwgTk9xIGnybUxQc3mDsPg/+U/6X//7b1FKLdAALwE/Ak8DX52KD/9QaRKqYnfT LUVORP4pBW8GfwePCJ/ez9/f4O//Dm8Pf+QfqS+qMmdwfYDnIP4oqjF98PGg2mCOM6pxLTD5zcBp b2kg+C8Mnw2vE1//9u/38vFiEI8RnxKvHR8Uz9MV32ODSW6OAGnNoewg7m5AoExAWBAovTPCdHHU /314CuQZnxqvG78iP1FKnYD/K5BncNpgvEcfXyBvIX8sv/8jnySvY4MLUY4kF/W8OScbt0wBJrTV QS8oOWnAcGhw/wuPKj8rTzIfD88vnzCvMb/3Pi8z3zTvQbvh8eEXoDpf7ztvPH9CL1FJhUaPR59I r+NJv1FJLkFkKAD/oBegvWdwbKpQT2FNILyidiiAs2gQ5lBvZn0UQLF5wqDMY2v/UM2wbXDx8AU/ 30xvTX9Oj51tU4BkZ0C9EP9UD1UfVi9XPz6fWWBj6WUA/2VOZ09oVGj/agFqX2tvWh/vWy9cP11P Xl9qX39gj2Gff2KvY79kz2XfZu9n/517SvsKgm6ga87hjpBZf3Fvcn9/c4/HH3Zvd394j3mfPuRC zx8g/8DVEOcRUGjVEM4x/FNhU5AooXsffC99P35Pv3pfgd+C74P/hQ+GGWnOEI1AkGaL4CgAcnR5 hpD+KowCiWEKoIaYh3+Ij4mfgZgcSFlQRVJM8nD4SyAiho+OH48vkD+YOYFuIHRwOi8vd5gQdi7x Y51wLffwbqBuES6ZKDBtL88AKIBzL81A64AlmegubiBtz5qTr5S/+5XPWCsihnqcL50/nk9vnV+M sFkgbwCLs0PQYkDgMgA5NyAA0MnqeQD5us4RjIIAqkAAS6kLAgCncBdFp3E+p3FoAHSoMXBQADoA L6ixd6jzLjAAbABvqZGogGUAgHIAcwAtAGSp8bGpgGkAZ6gTqWBjqZF+baixqECpoqmAqkCowGLH qZOrwKoCYQBuqvGsr7+q8algqCKrwKmAp3Dgpn3+fKf/qQ+qH6svrD+tT65fva9mfbjgksGL4Fgg bI0y/GNzPtCS1/8gk1GjwKD//6IPox+W35fvmP+aD5sVuPP/kv+7f7yPvZ+GD8OfxK/Fv/c/IDYz /7BhUZFvYBjgQCH3JuAuYc8mc8gPyR/KL8Y//2kvOGImwcf8ziDO38/v0P/Ffz1z/tBSQy3OYNO/ /9TP1d/W78dP2Z/ar9u/3M/1PuRM/YJTbwBQwt5P31//4G/hf4rPi9+M7+Sv5b/mz//n35H/6w/s H+0v7j++v7/PH8DX2PDOYMFR2MAtcmP/zmCbLvEf8i/zP/RPoCv5j9/6n/uv/L+k/6YAN6Y/p0g+ ObD/sg+zH7QvtTdSAOBDADIAMLbVCCAIIv8IAAlgCuKvLwSZCAAF7wb//wgPCR8KLws/DEy477n/ /s///98A7/R/9Y/2n/evws/Ov+8Yr8r9OeAc4G397yBvIX//Gf/SL/3fJI8lnyavJ79ev/9rP2xP bV9ub29/H48qLys/gX+HVVQgV0hBOFAPH181bzZ/3YlTT0ZU8FdBUkU4vznPOt8768BFUVVFTkPv 4D0/hz5PP18tKS9MT0/v0Q9Br0K/Q8/dikdJVkVGU1JwPRBUSElKIFC8T1dF30bvR//oHGbTQf/w AEoAPS9MH00vLA9YOhyR808BzEBuY3YPUJ9Rrxr6/j9ZEVU/Vk9XXy0vT49aX79bb1x/XY9en1+v 6BxJYf+PYw9kH2DZMkBxdW/M8G9h72b/aA8a+nZ1wTJQZdxkOi3fLuDpIDegwi8f/zAvMT8yTzNf am9rf2yPGxjsQW0DwBxic2GPdk93X1t4b3lwYoFQcrBuTzBpI24wbsVGcnV0QGV5oXnDIDQuMW7F UM2g9RyQbH6ActOAcuDY0YGgInN+sTIuNW7FQWP/YNCA8oBQeo97n3yvYN/jcOvMQOnQbc1wa3/g g6+Evy+Fz4bfSjCL0Gd+kCAzqYJ3Q2GIcHdxoGuIr/+Jv4rPi996f4+PkJ94y+Nw8CBPICiT0KWw giDTMLxuKZLfk++U/5G5hZfP55jfme+RuS4um7+cz53f/5G/Lj9wn3Gvcr9zz3Tfn///oQ+iH6Ms Ze+rH6wvaR9qL0+vX7BvTh6oYHBwzHBnT9MwpxAboM0AZSE4YVn5jfBBTrLfs++0/7Gvsr9fuV+6 bxrrOFBKc0JKUETcT05KUMxw02Fp2NCIQH8c4M0Q02DMMG5AlyLMUGX+P5JvvW++f7+Pkl/EX8Vv O8Z/o3BEgaBPIRx0L3Uebn/B2OBKEErATkQhL6OVjZbTgByhLM2sTUn8S0XIH8kvyj/G/8gP0R9P 0i9Sv9M/bxF9ANnwAAADAN4/n04AAAMAAlkAABYAAwAJWQMAAAADAEBlAAAAAAsAE4AIIAYAAAAA AMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAOFAAAAAAAAAwAVgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADABuA CCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAAG5cBAAMAKYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGFAAAA AAAAQAAqgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAYIUAAACkap33//8fHgA+gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAFAAAAMTAuMAAAAAALAD+ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAGhQAAAAAA AAsAQ4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwBGgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA GIUAAAAAAAALAFuACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAACChQAAAQAAAAIB+A8BAAAAEAAAAPGrKxPj h5pOlywrjLiz+VICAfoPAQAAABAAAADxqysT44eaTpcsK4y4s/lSAgH7DwEAAACcAAAAAAAAADih uxAF5RAaobsIACsqVsIAAG1zcHN0LmRsbAAAAAAATklUQfm/uAEAqgA32W4AAABJOlxEb2t1bWVu dGUgdW5kIEVpbnN0ZWxsdW5nZW5cTUlLRVxMb2thbGUgRWluc3RlbGx1bmdlblxBbndlbmR1bmdz ZGF0ZW5cTWljcm9zb2Z0XE91dGxvb2tcT3V0bG9vay5wc3QAAwD+DwUAAAADAA00/TcCAAIBFDQB AAAAEAAAAE5JVEH5v7gBAKoAN9luAAACAX8AAQAAADEAAAAwMDAwMDAwMEYxQUIyQjEzRTM4NzlB NEU5NzJDMkI4Q0I4QjNGOTUyMjRFNjIwMDAAAAAAAwAGEB7FrKADAAcQxgQAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAR EAAAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABPS0dVWVMsKFNPUlJZRk9SVEhFTUlESVE6LFJFQURBTExUSFJPVUdI VEhFQVJDSElWRUJVVERJRE5URklOREFBOilIRVJFQUJSQUlOVEVBU0VSOkhFUkVTTVlCQVNJQ1Yt RFJVAAAAAGwP ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C32C7E.A7BFEB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 16:57:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56Kt7O05440; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:55:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9.12b2ebff.2c12599e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:54:54 EDT Subject: EDP part search To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h56Kt6B05409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, It's me again. I just peeked behind the lid of my rack for the first time since a big gig I did a few weeks back and what do you know, the little "cap" on the input knob on one of my Plexes is missing -- you know the one with the indicator mark on it so you can tell the knob's position at a distance. I was wondering who the supplier of the original part was so I could just buy another. While I'm at it I'll try RadioShack -- seems like a fairly generic knob. But you never know with these things. Previously I've purchased replacement switches for the footcontroller from Mouser Electronics but their catalog doesn't have any knobs in it. So, I gotta look elsewhere. I just thought I'd try here first. Maybe someone has the inside scoop. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 16:57:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56KuYS06232; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:56:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:56:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20030606192726.44712.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:56:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: OT - dynamics processors Re: Hearing parts that aren't there (was: Re: the function of some music) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps the Eventide Omnipressor plug-in? I used to play through a hardware Omnipressor and seem to remember it could turn your dynamics upside down. (or write your own with pluggo....) At 12:54 PM -0700 6/6/03, sserendipity wrote: >On a vaguely related note, I've been looking for a software based dynamics >processor with a >negative< ratio controls - not fractional like an >expander, but actually negative. If any such beast exists, please let me >know. Dbx used to make a hardware one. > >This would allow you to make the quiet parts loud, and the loud parts quiet. > > > >bIz > >------------ >http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, >I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play >music, so we're just playing automated music right now." >------------ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Greg House" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:27 PM >Subject: Hearing parts that aren't there (was: Re: the function of some >music) > > >> --- Tim Nelson wrote: >> >> > Brian Eno's notes on one of his earliest >> > ambient albums (Music for Airports, I think, but I >> > don't have it in front of me) describe another >> > important aspect of ambient music. Eno was in bed >> > recovering from having been hit by a car, and a friend >> > brought over an LP of some very quiet 17th century >> > harp music, put the record on and left. After she had >> > left, Eno realized that the volume on the stereo was >> > set much too low, but was not feeling up to getting >> > out of bed to fix it. As he listened to the record, he >> > could only hear the loudest notes, and had a sort of >> > epiphany regarding another way of listening to music >> > in the context of ambient sounds. It wasn't that he >> > wasn't listening attentively, but rather, the 'local >> > soundscape' was an integral part of the listening >> > experience. >> >> Interesting, I'd never read that. But this happens to me periodically, in >fact, >> it's something I actively do to stoke my creativity. My car stereo has >this nifty >> "feature" of resetting the volume to some standard (very low) level when >the car >> is turned off. Some of the music I listen to is recorded at relatively low >> volumes and at the stereo's "standard volume" I can't hear anything but >the >> loudest notes in the music above the noise floor of the engine and the >road. >> >> What I find happening sometimes is that my mind starts filling in the >pieces to >> construct a more complete musical piece. But they're not the same pieces >from the >> original music! I hear new rhythms, new melodys, and textures that aren't >there. >> Just something my mind formulates while trying to make sense of the little >bit of >> music it's periodically hearing. >> >> It happened by accident the first time, and I was surprised to find a song >I knew >> well playing away when I raised the volume of the stereo...and kind of >> disappointing, since I was enjoying what my mind was formulating on it's >own. Now >> I actively persue finding that magic volume, where I'm hearing enough >information >> for my mind to hear and start working over, but not so much that it starts >> latching onto the original song. It doesn't hurt in this discovery that my >car is >> becoming a noisy bucket of bolts, so the noise floor is much higher then >it used >> to be. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >> http://calendar.yahoo.com >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 17:19:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56LGmG09302; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:16:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:16:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c32c70$f5fe0310$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <00bc01c32c6d$d15657e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:16:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just getting ready to send: Looping is repetition is boring? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palmer" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: RE: Let's cause a scene! >> Repetition is security is boring >> Change is risk is interesting > > this statement seems a bit strange coming from a looper. > and a bit absolute coming from a free thinker... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 17:20:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56LIc509653; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:18:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:18:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030606192726.44712.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT - dynamics processors Re: Hearing parts that aren't there (was: Re: the function of some music) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:18:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 21:18:32.0266 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EAF1AA0:01C32C71] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! Unfortunately, I don't speak protools :/ bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stahl" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: OT - dynamics processors Re: Hearing parts that aren't there (was: Re: the function of some music) > Perhaps the Eventide Omnipressor plug-in? I used to play through a > hardware Omnipressor and seem to remember it could turn your dynamics > upside down. > > (or write your own with pluggo....) > > > At 12:54 PM -0700 6/6/03, sserendipity wrote: > >On a vaguely related note, I've been looking for a software based dynamics > >processor with a >negative< ratio controls - not fractional like an > >expander, but actually negative. If any such beast exists, please let me > >know. Dbx used to make a hardware one. > > > >This would allow you to make the quiet parts loud, and the loud parts quiet. > > > > > > > >bIz > > > >------------ > >http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, > >I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play > >music, so we're just playing automated music right now." > >------------ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Greg House" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:27 PM > >Subject: Hearing parts that aren't there (was: Re: the function of some > >music) > > > > > >> --- Tim Nelson wrote: > >> > >> > Brian Eno's notes on one of his earliest > >> > ambient albums (Music for Airports, I think, but I > >> > don't have it in front of me) describe another > >> > important aspect of ambient music. Eno was in bed > >> > recovering from having been hit by a car, and a friend > >> > brought over an LP of some very quiet 17th century > >> > harp music, put the record on and left. After she had > >> > left, Eno realized that the volume on the stereo was > >> > set much too low, but was not feeling up to getting > >> > out of bed to fix it. As he listened to the record, he > >> > could only hear the loudest notes, and had a sort of > >> > epiphany regarding another way of listening to music > >> > in the context of ambient sounds. It wasn't that he > >> > wasn't listening attentively, but rather, the 'local > >> > soundscape' was an integral part of the listening > >> > experience. > >> > >> Interesting, I'd never read that. But this happens to me periodically, in > >fact, > >> it's something I actively do to stoke my creativity. My car stereo has > >this nifty > >> "feature" of resetting the volume to some standard (very low) level when > >the car > >> is turned off. Some of the music I listen to is recorded at relatively low > >> volumes and at the stereo's "standard volume" I can't hear anything but > >the > >> loudest notes in the music above the noise floor of the engine and the > >road. > >> > >> What I find happening sometimes is that my mind starts filling in the > >pieces to > >> construct a more complete musical piece. But they're not the same pieces > >from the > >> original music! I hear new rhythms, new melodys, and textures that aren't > >there. > >> Just something my mind formulates while trying to make sense of the little > >bit of > >> music it's periodically hearing. > >> > >> It happened by accident the first time, and I was surprised to find a song > >I knew > >> well playing away when I raised the volume of the stereo...and kind of > >> disappointing, since I was enjoying what my mind was formulating on it's > >own. Now > >> I actively persue finding that magic volume, where I'm hearing enough > >information > >> for my mind to hear and start working over, but not so much that it starts > >> latching onto the original song. It doesn't hurt in this discovery that my > >car is > >> becoming a noisy bucket of bolts, so the noise floor is much higher then > >it used > >> to be. > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________ > >> Do you Yahoo!? > >> Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > >> http://calendar.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 18:26:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56MOf218865; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:24:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:24:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? References: <00d701c32c5e$95939150$6401a8c0@p4> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:24:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: <00d701c32c5e$95939150$6401a8c0@p4> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a laptop (Sony VAIO, 1.13GHz, 256 MB RAM) with Nuendo, and it runs very well. Track count hasn't been an issue as of yet. How many tracks are you planning on using? On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:05:24 +0100, David Swain wrote: > Anyone using a laptop for recording ? -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 18:54:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56MjkR20722; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:45:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:49:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d701c32c5e$95939150$6401a8c0@p4> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3137788197_97162_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3137788197_97162_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sometimes use my g4 powerbook867 for recording as its portable, however i hate the fan so much I don't use it when i am at home. Track count is more than I would ever use i.e. above 24tracks easily. processing is also way more than I 'need'. Its a beautiful machine with an annoying fan that comes on when it feels like it. Anyone know a way to regulate when this comes on/off i have often wondered if I sat it on an ice pack(cloth in between) if that would keep it cool enough to prevent the fan from coming on. Geoff on 6/6/03 8:05 pm, David Swain at d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Im lookig to slim down my recording gear, i use Steinberge nuendo on the pc . I'm looking into getting a laptop, but i am finding it hard to get any reliable figures on track count, etc Anyone using a laptop for recording ? David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk --MS_Mac_OE_3137788197_97162_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? Sometimes use my g4 powerbook867 for recording as its portable, however i h= ate the fan so much I don't use it when i am at home. Track count is more th= an I would ever use i.e. above 24tracks easily. processing is also way more = than I 'need'.
Its a beautiful machine with an annoying fan that comes on when it feels li= ke it.
Anyone know a way to regulate when this comes on/off i have often wondered = if I sat it on an ice pack(cloth in between) if that would keep it cool enou= gh to prevent the fan from coming on.
Geoff  

on 6/6/03 8:05 pm, David Swain at d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

Im lookig to slim down my recording gear, i use = Steinberge nuendo on the pc .
I'm looking into getting a laptop, but i am finding it hard to get any reli= able figures on track count, etc
Anyone using a laptop for recording ?
David Swain
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk


--MS_Mac_OE_3137788197_97162_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 19:10:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56N96I23035; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030606155833.029fac50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:09:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Delay plugins help In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605223419.04593008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030605223419.04593008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2rHhAC.A.wnF.S8R4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:50 AM 6/6/2003, Alex Stahl wrote: >>that's funny, I thought the interface was the whole point about radial.... > >no, i don't think so. there's a lot under the hood. by which I meant: those under-the-hood elements are not necessarily unique or remarkable in and of themselves, but the interface tying them together is the wonderful part making it all intuitive and musical! That's what makes it more of an instrument for performing instead of a collection of software tools. You can really tell that it developed out of real experience and use in live musical performances. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 19:13:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56ND4u23526; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c32c81$2c655e70$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <00d701c32c5e$95939150$6401a8c0@p4> Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:13:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C32C89.8E0AA5B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 23:13:03.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E4D3140:01C32C81] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C32C89.8E0AA5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well the answer is i don't know ! I can't imagine more than 20 really, plus halion and maybe a softsynth = or two. Then again ....... I have to stay pc all my software is for it, so no macs. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? > I use a laptop (Sony VAIO, 1.13GHz, 256 MB RAM) with Nuendo, and it = runs=20 > very well. Track count hasn't been an issue as of yet. How many tracks = are=20 > you planning on using? >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:05:24 +0100, David Swain = =20 > wrote: > > Anyone using a laptop for recording ? >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C32C89.8E0AA5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well the answer is i don't know = !
I can't imagine more than 20 really, = plus halion=20 and maybe a softsynth or two.
Then again .......
I have to stay pc all my software is = for it, so=20 no macs.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "ernesto schnack" <schnack@mailbolt.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:24 = PM
Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop = for audio=20 recordig ?

> I use a laptop (Sony VAIO, 1.13GHz, 256 MB RAM) with = Nuendo, and it=20 runs
> very well. Track count hasn't been an issue as of yet. How = many=20 tracks are
> you planning on using?
>
>
> =   On=20 Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:05:24 +0100, David Swain <d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk>=20
> wrote:
> > Anyone using a laptop for recording = ?
>=20
>
> --
> ernesto schnack
> http://schnack.does.it
>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C32C89.8E0AA5B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 19:39:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h56NcMX25473; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:38:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:38:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:38:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recording? From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306062254.h56Mskr21827@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-bDPJ.A.4NG.uXS4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a TiBook (400MHz) that works fine. I've used AudioDesk on OS 9 and DP4 on OS X. I think the slowest PowerBook you can get is twice as fast - so it should be easy. Klowy (aka wriklemuzik) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 20:03:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57022n27348; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:02:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:02:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030606155833.029fac50@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605223419.04593008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030605223419.04593008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030606155833.029fac50@loopers-delight.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:01:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Delay plugins help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 10:50 AM 6/6/2003, Alex Stahl wrote: >>>that's funny, I thought the interface was the whole point about radial.... >> >>no, i don't think so. there's a lot under the hood. > >by which I meant: those under-the-hood elements are not necessarily >unique or remarkable in and of themselves, but the interface tying >them together is the wonderful part making it all intuitive and >musical! That's what makes it more of an instrument for performing >instead of a collection of software tools. You can really tell that >it developed out of real experience and use in live musical >performances. agreed, and also by which I meant, some of the under-the-hood mechanisms really are quite remarkable in and of themselves. Max scripting was practically invented to make radiaL and similar applications scalable and thereby feasible as products. For example, when you reconfigure the number of loops (which is by no means limited to four) I believe the application code essentially self-modifies accordingly. The implications of this to performance-worthy stability, while running on general purpose computer hardware, are indeed remarkable. If for no other reason than this is a remark about them. :-) -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 21:14:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h571Ctu01131; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:12:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:12:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? References: <00d701c32c5e$95939150$6401a8c0@p4> <002a01c32c81$2c655e70$6401a8c0@p4> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:12:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <002a01c32c81$2c655e70$6401a8c0@p4> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I don't think you'll have any probelms. I've come close to 20 while using multiple softsynths, and my sony laptop handles it fine. And it's already a year old, so you can get something much more powerful nowadays. On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:13:00 +0100, David Swain wrote: > Well the answer is i don't know ! > I can't imagine more than 20 really, plus halion and maybe a softsynth or > two. > Then again ....... > I have to stay pc all my software is for it, so no macs. > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 21:55:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h571sPT04171; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:54:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:54:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200306070154.h571sKu01148@mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:01:51 +0800 Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! From: "Cameron Street" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3137832112_34356_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3137832112_34356_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Who's going to choose what tracks go on it, and which artists? cam ---------- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: looping bassists unite! Date: Sat, Jun 7, 2003, 2:29 AM good idea! I don't mind doing the assembly work- I love editing and mastering, and I'm pretty good at artworky stuff too..... (goes into dark place and puts gun to head....) duncan. -----Original Message----- From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net ] Sent: 06 June 2003 09:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping bassists unite! It seems to me there are enough bassists on this list to make a nice multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in hearing everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable product) But,as a new dad, I would need some help coordinating,mastering, burning etc. Anyone interested...... *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** --MS_Mac_OE_3137832112_34356_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: looping bassists unite! Who's going to choose what tracks go on it, and which artists?
cam
----------
From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: looping bassists unite!
Date: Sat, Jun 7, 2003, 2:29 AM



good idea!
I don't mind doing the assembly work- I love editing and mas= tering, and I'm pretty good at artworky stuff too.....

(goes into dark place and puts gun to head....)

duncan.

-----Original Message-----
From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto= :kungha@earthlink.net <mailto:kungha@= earthlink.net> ]
Sent: 06 June 2003 09:48
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com
Subject: looping bassists unite!

It seems to me there are enough bassists on this list to mak= e a nice
multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in hearing<= /FONT>
everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable product) But,a= s a new dad,
I would need some help coordinating,mastering, burning etc.<= /FONT>
Anyone interested......

***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged.  If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=

--MS_Mac_OE_3137832112_34356_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 23:41:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h573dMx14440; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:39:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030606190200.39078.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030606190200.39078.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:38:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: the function of some music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:02 PM -0700 6/6/03, Tim Nelson wrote: >Eno realized that the volume on the stereo was set much too low..As >he listened to the record, he could only hear the loudest notes, and >had a sort of epiphany regarding another way of listening to music >in the context of ambient sounds. It wasn't that he wasn't listening >attentively, but rather, the 'local soundscape' was an integral part >of the listening experience. It seems to me that there are various interpretations of what "ambient" music is, and in the end it probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference. Still it's fun to debate and discuss nuances of meaning. Part of Eno's observation could be construed as akin to what Pauline Oliveros calls "deep listening" and even to the type of aural awareness that John Cage called attention to (most famously in 4'33"). One implication of this acute attention to all sounds, and the rejection of the idea of hierarchical importance of deliberately "musical" sounds over others, is that we should go through life with ears wide open (again, as Cage said, "we have no ear lids"). But another implication that is more composerly (and perhaps less philosophical) is that we can compose and perform music that IS and ambience. I think that despite Eno's observations much of the music he created under the "ambient" banner is actually music to be listened to for itself and not necessarily as a component of an ambient environment. Take "Music for Airports." This can certainly be used in a public environment and can function in a truly ambient manner, but it can also be listened to as a musical foreground. In such cases it certainly isn't ambient in the purist sense, but it is a sort of ambience in the sense of something that sounds continuously as a sonic environment. But I've also heard arrangements of this music performed in concert by the Bang on a Can All Stars. In that situation it was most definitely concert music. So in the end, the term "ambient music" no longer has one specific meaning. It might be best for those who are intending to blend in with the local ambience to simply revert to Satie's terminology and call it "furniture music." As a sidelight, there were a number of artists from the 1960s onward who created steady-state music that was not intended as ambient music in Eno's earliest sense of the term. I refer to La Monte Young's Theater of Eternal Music (the wellspring), Charlemagne Palestine's drone pieces, Maryanne Amacher's sound environments, some sound installations by Max Neuhaus. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 6 23:59:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h573wma16588; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:58:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:58:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c32ca9$94982540$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <20030606190200.39078.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: the function of some music Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:02:14 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5mUyrB.A.DDE.4LW4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > It seems to me that there are various interpretations of what > "ambient" music is, and in the end it probably doesn't make a whole > lot of difference. Still it's fun to debate and discuss nuances of > meaning. > > Part of Eno's observation could be construed as akin to what Pauline > Oliveros calls "deep listening" and even to the type of aural > awareness that John Cage called attention to (most famously in > 4'33"). One implication of this acute attention to all sounds, and > the rejection of the idea of hierarchical importance of deliberately > "musical" sounds over others, is that we should go through life with > ears wide open (again, as Cage said, "we have no ear lids"). But > another implication that is more composerly (and perhaps less > philosophical) is that we can compose and perform music that IS and > ambience. I think that despite Eno's observations much of the music > he created under the "ambient" banner is actually music to be > listened to for itself and not necessarily as a component of an > ambient environment. Take "Music for Airports." This can certainly be > used in a public environment and can function in a truly ambient > manner, but it can also be listened to as a musical foreground. In > such cases it certainly isn't ambient in the purist sense, but it is > a sort of ambience in the sense of something that sounds continuously > as a sonic environment. But I've also heard arrangements of this > music performed in concert by the Bang on a Can All Stars. In that > situation it was most definitely concert music. > > So in the end, the term "ambient music" no longer has one specific > meaning. It might be best for those who are intending to blend in > with the local ambience to simply revert to Satie's terminology and > call it "furniture music." In Eno's original definition of Ambient Music, which appeared in early copies of Music For Airports, he declared "Ambient Music must be able to accomodate many levels of listening attention without enforcing one in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting." This means that it may be listened to intently (as in concert music), or may simply be treated as a sonic environment. While not too restrictive a definition, it certainly states that the music must serve for both functions and therefore, must not "demand" attention. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 00:19:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h574IXG18482; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501c32ca9$94982540$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> References: <20030606190200.39078.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> <001501c32ca9$94982540$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:13:28 -0700 To: "Scott M2" , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: the function of some music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:02 AM -0400 6/7/03, Scott M2 wrote: >In Eno's original definition of Ambient Music, which appeared in early >copies of Music For Airports, he declared "Ambient Music must be able >to accomodate many levels of listening attention without enforcing one >in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting." > >This means that it may be listened to intently (as in concert music), >or may simply be treated as a sonic environment. While not too restrictive >a definition, it certainly states that the music must serve for both >functions and therefore, must not "demand" attention. Then that pretty much covers it. Eno should run for political office. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 01:02:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5751Hq23397; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:01:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <200306041052.h54Aq7d23644@hemlock.violacea.com> <3EDE055D.1090406@cabq.gov> Subject: (ot?) FCB1010 sysex editor (pc) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:08:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2003 05:01:11.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0679A30:01C32CB1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A bunch of you have behringer fcb1010 midi footpedals right? check this out. A few months back I got completely frustrated trying to program my behringer fcb1010 foot pedal. Well I learned it finally, but I figured there must be a better way. It turns out a bunch of other talented people were thinking the same thing. So I got them all together online and started an open source FCB1010 sysex editor. Well we've got a couple of workable versions available now. We started on a java version so that it could be cross platform compatible. Then we realized that java doesn't support midi well at all. Luckily Randy Greene struggled though and released a java version which works on pc (and might work on non OSX mac versions - no testing though) with a third party midi implimentation. Then one day Ed Dixon announced that he had a PC-only version ready. We've ironed out most of the bugs in both versions, and you can find them in the files section here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/ you'll have to subscribe I believe, which is fine, just please search the archives before posting a "newbie" question. You can also find the sysex specification which we painstakingly reverse engineered through trial and error. You'll have to search the archives for this, its spread out through a couple of messages. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 01:22:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h575M1q25640; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:22:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:22:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030606221439.029e40b8@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:21:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: LOOPER'S DELIGHT T-SHIRTS!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys! a few days ago Jason announced the 2003 Looper's Delight T-Shirt fund raiser. Jason is awesome for organizing this, since it is quite a lot of effort, and I thank him huge! Put your orders in soon, the deadline is June 18. You get a fab shirt, LD gets a few bucks to keep going. What a deal! In case you forgot the details, they are now online at Looper's Delight: http://www.loopers-delight.com/shirts/shirt-2003.html Buy a shirt! Wear it proud! Support Looper's Delight! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 02:01:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5760Nt29198; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 02:00:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 02:00:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Lexistheoria@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 02:00:12 EDT Subject: distortionist To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_aa.1dfca72f.2c12d96c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_aa.1dfca72f.2c12d96c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...and sometimes i use reverb. am i a reverbist? or reverber? i can't for the life of me figure it out. i know i must be a distortioner, but that all depends on the setting. if the gain is higher than the level, then i'm a distortionist. oh, i use a looper too, but anything over 3.3 seconds equals a quantum leap into the realm of the loopist, which is generally regulated by the central scrutinizer, but only in the white zone. i think "livelooping" is too relevant. i mean, what does rock and roll have to do with the music? or young country? well...forget i axed. i say play the music and let the audience decide what colors they want to be clad in when they say whatever name they've given the new, wild and exciting music they've discovered. audiences have a tremendous amount of pride input into what they have discovered. the artists are their servants. i watched a kid almost bloody the nose of another who didn't agree that the Edge was the best guitarist ever. i suppose the artists' peers (likely other artists) will be part of the decision-making audience, thus will steer the apellations in the right direction, but who named bebop bebop? the poets, right? does anyone play yabyum anylonger? miles probably breathed "cool" after a gig and someone in the press heard him say it. just some ideas. adieu. --part1_aa.1dfca72f.2c12d96c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...and sometimes i use reverb. am i a reverbist? or re= verber? i can't for the life
of me figure it out. i know i must be a distortioner, but that all depends o= n the setting.
if the gain is higher than the level, then i'm a distortionist.

oh, i use a looper too, but anything over 3.3 seconds equals a quantum leap=20= into the
realm of the loopist, which is generally regulated by the central scrutinize= r, but only
in the white zone.

i think "livelooping" is too relevant. i mean, what does rock and roll have=20= to do with
the music? or young country? well...forget i axed.

i say play the music and let the audience decide what colors they want to be= clad in
when they say whatever name they've given the new, wild and exciting music <= BR> they've discovered. audiences have a tremendous amount of pride input into w= hat
they have discovered. the artists are their servants. i watched a kid almost= bloody
the nose of another who didn't agree that the Edge was the best guitarist ev= er.

i suppose the artists' peers (likely other artists) will be part
of the decision-making audience, thus will steer the apellations in the righ= t direction,
but who named bebop bebop? the poets, right? does anyone play yabyum
anylonger?
miles probably breathed "cool" after a gig and someone in the press heard hi= m say it.

just some ideas.
adieu.

 --part1_aa.1dfca72f.2c12d96c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 03:59:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h577wfX07470; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 03:58:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 03:58:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.39800e35.2c12f527@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 03:58:31 EDT Subject: Re:FCB1010 editor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So I got them all together online and started an open source > FCB1010 sysex editor. > > Well we've got a couple of workable versions available now. thanks Jon, I've been lurking on that list, and most impressed. I understand there's some issue with those 2 editors as to which version of the FCB1010 ROM they work with. Would it be possible to co-ordinate that info? thanks again andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 08:00:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57Bxf427627; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:59:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:59:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a201c32cec$45f82460$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030606190200.39078.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> <001501c32ca9$94982540$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Subject: Re: the function of some music Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:58:37 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <5NjFrB.A.jvG.tOd4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: "Scott M2" ; Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 05:13:AM Subject: Re: the function of some music > At 12:02 AM -0400 6/7/03, Scott M2 wrote: > > >In Eno's original definition of Ambient Music, which appeared in early > >copies of Music For Airports, he declared "Ambient Music must be able > >to accomodate many levels of listening attention without enforcing one > >in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting." > > > >This means that it may be listened to intently (as in concert music), > >or may simply be treated as a sonic environment. While not too restrictive > >a definition, it certainly states that the music must serve for both > >functions and therefore, must not "demand" attention. > > Then that pretty much covers it. > > Eno should run for political office. Perhaps, but in the sense of being an Ambient candidate, would anyone but us know he was running? :) I've always tried to adhere to the Eno Ambient Rule whenever I did anything I decided to call "ambient", though I should say that I'd read Eno as saying it "must be as ignorable as it is listenable." On this level though, I found myself exploring specific types of sonic environments that more adhered to the "Music for Films" area - and dubbed my work in this regard to be "Situational Music" or "Ambient-Situational Music". I wanted to still be within the bounds of being able to be ignorable and listenable, but also provide a kind of soundtrack for the listener, should they wish to listen to it in this way. To my chagrin only later did I think about the applicability to film/video/TV. Silly me. But I continue to pursue the Ambient-Situational area as such. Slightly BOT: The other night BBC2 ran a show named something like "Dave and Joe Go Tokyo", which apparently is a weekly - beautiful contrasting pieces with "what's new in Japan", ostensibly... and one of the items on the show was presented as an "Ambient Toy", a huge seller apparently. All it is is a small round figurine (more like a fat Pokemon than a 'Buddha' visually), whose head rocks gently right and left. It looked very quasi-hypnotic, and yes, Ambient if you will. Has anyone seen these little fellas? Or for that matter the "Go Tokyo" show? Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 10:06:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57E64T05131; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:06:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:06:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c32cfd$ecc38350$47d14843@your6eqrfth4nu> From: "aurlite" To: Subject: virtual buttons Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:05:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C32CD4.01F8D740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C32CD4.01F8D740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello fellow loopers, I have an EDP with loop 4 software. I am trying to figure out how to = access the virtual buttons for operation via a berringer FCB1010 midi = controller. So far I havn't had any luck getting the two devices to work = together. The info in the manuals appears to be easy to understand but I = still have not had any luck getting this to operate. If anyone out there = can help me a suggestion or two that would be great. Thank You Jim aurlite@prodigy.net ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C32CD4.01F8D740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello fellow loopers,
 
I have an EDP with loop 4 software. I = am trying to=20 figure out how to access the virtual buttons for operation via a = berringer=20 FCB1010 midi controller. So far I havn't had any luck getting the two = devices to=20 work together. The info in the manuals appears to be easy to understand = but I=20 still have not had any luck getting this to operate. If anyone out there = can=20 help me a suggestion or two that would be great.
Thank You
Jim
aurlite@prodigy.net
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C32CD4.01F8D740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 10:13:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57ECJj06025; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:12:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:12:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [217.158.170.82] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: Subject: Scofield live / Looping Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:12:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C32D07.3AD20810" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2003 14:12:13.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAC3F0E0:01C32CFE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C32D07.3AD20810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Last night I saw the John Scofield band at the Barbican in London, = excellent performances from all the band, very entertaining, both = musically and humourosly ( sing-a-longs, Sco's between song banter, the = drummers RZA t-shirt and rapping, the 'Crazy Horse' type squat stance of = the bassist in front of his Music Man stack and so on ) Scofield used the Boomerang almost constantly, he really likes the = backwards stuff, thought there were plenty of loops of chord changes = too. He also had a Boss loop station which he used to trigger a sample = in one of the songs, some old guy singing a simple nursery rhyme like = ditty. A highlight was him triggering it right on the beat at the end of = an extremely 'out' note sequence - it got a good laugh from the = audience. Then there was his manipulations of a EH Micro Synth, low end = filter sweeps to a drum and bass backing groove. Over all, very modern and funk/hip hip oriented. Quite a few women too, = which is sort of encouraging ( though I don't know if this had anything = to do with the support band 'KOOP' )=20 Some of the more jazz folks seemed a tad put out by it all, but they = probably enjoyed the last time I saw Scofield a couple of years ago, = with Joe Lovano - who looked the spit of Frank Cannon - a real = 'head,solo,solo,solo,head,out' gig, and kind of boring despite the = musicianship on display=20 Anyway, catch him if you can. Andrew ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C32D07.3AD20810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
Last night I saw the John Scofield band = at the=20 Barbican in London, excellent performances from all the band, very = entertaining,=20 both musically and humourosly ( sing-a-longs, Sco's between song banter, = the=20 drummers RZA t-shirt and rapping, the 'Crazy Horse' type squat stance of = the=20 bassist in front of his Music Man stack and so on )
 
Scofield used the Boomerang almost=20 constantly, he really likes the backwards stuff, thought there were = plenty=20 of loops of chord changes too. He also=20 had a Boss loop station which he used to trigger a sample in one of the = songs,=20 some old guy singing a simple nursery rhyme like ditty. A highlight was = him=20 triggering it right on the beat at the end of an extremely 'out'=20 note sequence - it got a good laugh from the audience. Then there = was his=20 manipulations of a EH Micro Synth, low end filter sweeps to a drum and = bass=20 backing groove.
 
Over all, very modern and funk/hip = hip=20 oriented. Quite a few women too, which is sort of encouraging ( though I = don't=20 know if this had anything to do with the support band 'KOOP' ) =
Some of the more jazz folks seemed a = tad put out by=20 it all, but they probably enjoyed the last time I saw Scofield a = couple of=20 years ago, with Joe Lovano - who looked the spit of Frank = Cannon=20 - a real 'head,solo,solo,solo,head,out' gig, and kind = of boring=20 despite the musicianship on display 
 
Anyway, catch him if you = can.
 
Andrew
 
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C32D07.3AD20810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 10:38:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57EbP708791; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:37:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c32d02$4c43c480$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: Ableton LIVE - live looping device Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:37:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, here's an attempt to describe a little of what I've discovered about using Ableton LIVE as a live looping device. I figured that I'd describe my signal and MIDI flow, so technical questions can be answered: Guitar | G-Major --------->SPDIF into LIVE | (right) | (left) | | EDP#1 EDP#2 So, LIVE is getting my signal pre-EDP. I'm not feeding EDP loops to LIVE (yet). I think I like this approach better for now. I'm using an Edirol UA-30 with a USB ASIO driver to bring the signal into my laptop. Very low latency, no pops or crackles, very nice. MIDI goes from an FCB-1010, into my laptop (for LIVE), into EDP#1, then EDP#2, then to the G-Major. More about FCB1010 and LIVE in a minute. Using this setup, I can ask LIVE to drive the clock, or let the EDP's run independently (out of sync) with LIVE. With the right MIDI routing, I could have the EDP's drive the clock, and have LIVE slave to that clock. My current setup doesn't allow for this. I like it this way for now. OK, so... now to LIVE software setups. I've been experimenting a lot, and have tried a number of different approaches and configs. I'm going to describe the approach I'm starting to settle on, but you can extrapolate a lot of other ideas from this. I setup a template with the following: - Arm four different tracks to record the SPDIF line in - MIDI notes are assigned to the start button on each of the four clips. The FCB1010 pedals assigned to these notes will now start the recording, and after a clip is recorded, they become loop restart (and stutter) pedals. - FCB1010 expression pedals are setup to control the clip volume when that clip is selected. So, I do have to "restart" a loop to activate expression pedal control of that loop's volume. Not a biggie - I like restarting loops! :) - Set the clip update rate to 1/32 in Preferences/Misc - Set Clip Defaults to LaunchMode: Trigger, Loop: On, Quantization: Global. This allows the control panel Quantization setting to control quantize on all of the clips that you record. I have FCB1010 pedals setup to change the control panel quantize to different values. Finally, I have FCB1010 pedals setup to delete any of the 4 clips (loops). LIVE doesn't offer a direct MIDI interface to delete a loop, so I grabbed Bome's MIDI Translator (www.bome.com/midi/translator/), and now I can map MIDI notes to fire off keyboard macros. So far I'm only using this to delete clips, but it's a pretty powerful tool to have with LIVE, because I can see many other things I might want to execute with a pedal, for a specific piece or technique. So, a common way for me to use this basic setup: For rhythmic pieces, I usually take this approach to start: Load a simple rhythm clip into clip 5, and start with that. I know, evil. Prerecorded loop. Not live-looping!! :) But it's a good way to get a practice session started. One thing about LIVE is that you can't currently define the loop length (and therefore the tempo of the piece) on the fly. Gotta set the clock, and start the piece playing. It's a very "rhythmic" technical approach, but it certainly doesn't preclude arrhythmic, ambient-style music. Alternatively, I sometimes set quantize to "Bar" (meaning 1 measure), and start by recording a guitar sound (note, scrape, slap, whatevah) into a one bar clip, creating my own metronome. >From this point, I can change quantization to whatever I want, record loops in the other slots, delete loops, change loop volumes, etc. Regarding the earlier points about overdub and multiply: by setting quant to bar, you can create overdub/mult-like effects by playing the overdub into the next clip for an even number of bars. However, I've really moved towards using LIVE to create more complex, evolving loops by using small quant settings (1/4, 1/8, 1/32) and building polyrhythmic loops. By the way, once I start LIVE, I can put my EDPs into one of the presets that synchs to MIDI clock (again, using an FCB1010 pedal), and slave the EDP's to LIVE. For more ambient, arrhythmic stuff: Who cares about the tempo? :) Tempo setting is as important as what time it is :) I usually set quant to a small value, and build textures. I can set the EDPs to ignore clock, and I have unsynched EDP power! So, that's a basic overview of what I've tried in the last 2 weeks. This is just scratching the surface of LIVE, and I'm sure others on this list will be able to take this example and add/modify/expand it based on their own knowledge. Some other comments: Limitations: - You can't overdub, insert, or multiply with clips. See above for workaround ideas. - You can't set the loop length on the fly. - You can't control clip properties directly with MIDI. This seems to be an oversight, in my opinion. You can control many things with MIDI in LIVE, but not the clip properties, which is where the pitch setting is :( When/if they fix this, nifty stuff can happen. Other possibilities: - I haven't spent much time with plugins. LIVE can use VST plugins, and there's endless possibilities there. - Interestingly, LIVE *does* allow MIDI control of the parameters of its own native plugins. So, You can use your MIDI controller for loop manglage. This is one way to workaround the pitch control problem - there's a "grain delay" plugin that can change the pitch of a clip, but it doesn't sound so great to my ears. - LIVE can route any channel to any output, so I've considered getting a 2-out audio device, so that I can pipe a click track to a headphone amp, and distribute it to myself and a drummer I sometimes jam with. OK - my brain hurts. Hope this generates some good discussion on things folks have done with LIVE!! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 11:11:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57FAc813049; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:10:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:10:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c32d07$709f1280$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Fw: the function of some music Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:14:07 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As sometimes happens - this reply from Tim was sent to my addy instead of the LD list. I thought he made some good points - particularly " 1) Terminology which is excessively inclusive or exclusive can be meaningless or at best artificial." I recently bought a copy of the Royksopp "Melody A.M." CD as I heard a very funky track by them playing in the store. The clerk then confidently decribed it to me as an ambient album - which I discovered it is not at all. The misuse of the term (relating to the music genre) is leading towards making it "meaningless" to most people who hear the term. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: "Scott M2" Sent: Saturday, 07 June, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: the function of some music > --- Scott M2 wrote: > > In Eno's original definition of Ambient Music, which > > appeared in early > > copies of Music For Airports, he declared "Ambient > > Music must be able > > to accomodate many levels of listening attention > > without enforcing one > > in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is > > interesting." > > That's correct, and it's true for Eno's own music and > for music created by others who'd been influenced by > him, and is also true in many cases regarding > composers who weren't really influenced by Eno. But as > Dr. Z points out, the label 'ambient' is often applied > to other music as well which doesn't exactly fit Eno's > definition. Satie (an influence on Eno) wrote some > pieces which *were* specifically intended to function > as incidental backgrounds and *not* be listened to > attentively, while at the other end of that continuum, > there are numerous musicians today calling their work > 'ambient' when it is definitely intended to be played > loud and in your face. There's 'ambient house' and > 'ambient dub'. Deutsche Grammophon even has a > compilation of so-called 'ambient' works by Barber, > Tchaikovsky, Rodrigo, Beethoven, Mahler, Elgar, > Albinoni and Vaughan Williams. > > All the recent discussion about 'style' and 'genre' > leads me to the following observations: > 1) Terminology which is excessively inclusive or > exclusive can be meaningless or at best artificial. > 2) Many (perhaps all??) works fit into multiple, > simultaneous categories. > 3) Multiple criteria may be used to categorize music; > while you *can* group artists/musical pieces by > whether or not they use looping techniques, that > doesn't mean that the music will sound the same or > even similar. > 4) Many artists work in various styles, whether > separately or in combination. > 5) The very characteristics which distinguish a piece > and give it its own identity (in many cases making it > worth listening to) can complicate attempts to > categorize it. > 6) Likewise, there's the 'Heraclitus factor': as > music, technology, fashions, et cetera, as well as the > very language used to describe things continue to > evolve and change, 'meaning' is not fixed and > equivocation is inevitable. > 7) If you call Green Day's style 'pop' instead of > 'punk', their guitarist will get upset and try to > punch you. > > Shakespeare said something about what to call roses... > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 11:35:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57FYk516075; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:34:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:34:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c32d0a$cf1b46a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <20030606190200.39078.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> <001501c32ca9$94982540$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <00a201c32cec$45f82460$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: the function of some music Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:38:14 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Goodman" > > >In Eno's original definition of Ambient Music, which appeared in early > > >copies of Music For Airports, he declared "Ambient Music must be able > > >to accomodate many levels of listening attention without enforcing one > > >in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting." > > I've always tried to adhere to the Eno Ambient Rule whenever I did anything > I decided to call "ambient", though I should say that I'd read Eno as saying > it "must be as ignorable as it is listenable." Here's my source for that quote: http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/MFA-txt.html That short essay and the ones for Discrete Music and On Land ( which can also be found there at the same site at http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/liners.html ) quite clearly lay out the ideas that the term Ambient Music was based on and its "functions". The EnoWeb site is a terrific resource for all things Eno. http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/index.center.html > Slightly BOT: The other night BBC2 ran a show named something like "Dave and > Joe Go Tokyo", which apparently is a weekly - beautiful contrasting pieces > with "what's new in Japan", ostensibly... and one of the items on the show > was presented as an "Ambient Toy", a huge seller apparently. All it is is a > small round figurine (more like a fat Pokemon than a 'Buddha' visually), > whose head rocks gently right and left. It looked very quasi-hypnotic, and > yes, Ambient if you will. > > Has anyone seen these little fellas? Or for that matter the "Go Tokyo" > show? > > Steve Goodman I just did a quick search on Google (and WiseNut) on "Ambient Toy" but found nothing related. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 12:59:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57GwO625419; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:58:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:58:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030607095641.029e9a38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:58:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: virtual buttons In-Reply-To: <000801c32cfd$ecc38350$47d14843@your6eqrfth4nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:05 AM 6/7/2003, aurlite wrote: >I have an EDP with loop 4 software. I am trying to figure out how to >access the virtual buttons for operation via a berringer FCB1010 midi >controller. So far I havn't had any luck getting the two devices to work >together. The info in the manuals appears to be easy to understand but I >still have not had any luck getting this to operate. If anyone out there >can help me a suggestion or two that would be great. make sure you use midi note messages from the FCB. It won't work for the echoplex using cc messages. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 13:49:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57Hm9131970; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:48:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:48:07 -0700 Subject: Re: distortionist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3223D351-9910-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lexistheoria@aol.com wrote: > i watched a kid almost bloody the nose of another who didn't agree > that the Edge was the best guitarist ever. HA! That reminds me of an ex girlfriend mine, a very mean drunk, who started a huge fight with me when I disagreed with her as to the fact that "There's a Tear in my Bear" was the best song *ever*. People do love their opinions. Anyone see/read High Fidelity? "You're not what you do, you're what you like." For most people I believe that's true. (I don't think most people do much of anything) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 13:54:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57Hrcx32724; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 10:53:36 -0700 Subject: MIDI looping (again) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm trying to narrow my wish list for a MIDI looper in the hope that something will actually meet these needs/desires... 1. I want multiple independent loops or phrases. 2. I want to arm a record on a loop and have it wait for me to press a key to start recording. I want to stop recording by hitting a button. The idea is, prep the device, play the loop, and then tell it to start looping by hitting another button. 3. I want it to exhibit EDP-like smarts or better with respect to quantization. In other words, I should be able to optionally quantize the loop length to a tempo but that shouldn't affect when exactly it starts and ends just how far apart they are. I also want to be able to generate tempo from loop length. 4. I would like to be able to overdub, but I might trade overdubbing for more easily accessible loops. 5. If I can overdub I want to be able to erase notes. 6. If I can overdub, I'd like to be able to multiply. 7. I want to play multiple loops at once more or less like a phrase sampler. >From a performance standpoint Roland's RPS function on their grooveboxes and the phrase playback on the SP-808 is a good model but neither is particularly good for spontaneous phrase creation. Is there anything out there that can do this? If not and the answer is that I have to use a computer and Max, is there a particularly good control surface to use for this sort of task? I'd like something where I can provide visual feedback on the control surface so that I don't have to look at the computer screen to see what's going on. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 14:02:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57I1Nf01533; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:01:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:01:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:01:29 -0400 Subject: FCB-EDP midi question From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306071754.h57HsPD00394@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h57I1NB01508 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a way to send a midi message to the EDP specifying the midi tempo? Right now I do it through the feedback knob, but it would be great to just hit a switch. Also ­ is there a way to clear out the midi tempo so that the next time I play something the tempo is controlled by when I hit the record or overdub button (again - hopefully a midi #??). Thanks! klowy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 14:02:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57I1dx01586; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:01:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:01:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c32d1f$52d47fc0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <3223D351-9910-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: OT Re: distortionist Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:05:05 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lexistheoria@aol.com wrote: > > i watched a kid almost bloody the nose of another who didn't agree > > that the Edge was the best guitarist ever. > > HA! That reminds me of an ex girlfriend mine, a very mean drunk, who > started a huge fight with me when I disagreed with her as to the fact > that "There's a Tear in my Bear" was the best song *ever*. I always preferred the varient: "I've got tears in my ears from lying on my back thinking of you." Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 14:31:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57ITmI05376; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:29:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:30:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Scofield live / Looping X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andrew, And I saw King Crimson thursday night. Sadly the sound was awful, but it was quite a good show all the same. Quite a bit of looping going on, I think. I was somewhat distracted by Adrian Belew's disturbing resemblance to Mark Knopfler. Hopefully, it was just a trick of the light. btw. I'm new here so hello all. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 14:46:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57IjZL08275; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:45:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:45:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:45:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Scofield live / Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <37D9D8D6-9918-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 11:30 AM, Ian Petersen wrote: > Andrew, > > And I saw King Crimson thursday night. Sadly the sound was awful, but > it was quite a good show all the same. Quite a bit of looping going > on, I think. I've been at King Crimson shows where the sound is good, but others positioned elsewhere in the club complained about the sound. I usually find that being near the stage is never a good idea if you're hoping for good sound. The last time I caught them in SF the sound was way too loud. Sadly, most sound people think that if you're not driving the mains into distortion, you're not doing your job. Keeps me home a lot. > I was somewhat distracted by Adrian Belew's disturbing resemblance to > Mark Knopfler. Hopefully, it was just a trick of the light. Here's a weird thing. I used to work with Adrian every day of the week back in the early 80s while working on Laurie Anderson's Home of the Brave movie. (very very nice man, but I digress...) When seeing KC in SF a while ago, my wife and I moved to the upper tier of the club to get less volume and maybe a better view of what was going on. When who should appear in front of us.. Adrian Belew. The weird thing for me was, he was almost unrecognizable. Part of it might have been age coupled with stage makeup. I also thing that dyed and thinner hair (which is a trait we both share now!) might have been a factor. I thought of the "Paul is Dead" rumor and thought that maybe Adrian had been replaced with a look-a-like. I woke up the next morning with a 5 days growth of beard and bad dreams of large gray creatures hovering over me. I quickly realized that I hadn't shaved in a while and that large creature was my cat and that Adrian Belew and I have aged a bit since 1984. Though he did look shorter than I had remembered... > btw. I'm new here so hello all. Welcome aboard! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 14:59:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57IwiS10808; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:58:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:58:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <102.2f417cce.2c138fda@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:58:34 EDT Subject: Re: distortionist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_102.2f417cce.2c138fda_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_102.2f417cce.2c138fda_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/7/2003 1:48:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > HA! That reminds me of an ex girlfriend mine, a very mean drunk, who > started a huge fight with me when I disagreed with her as to the fact > that "There's a Tear in my Bear" was the best song *ever*. yeah well my favorite song of all time (after years of djing and listening to everything form punk to trance) is "you got the look" by prince and sheena easten. I dare anyone to download and pay particular attention to the high hat patterns and other marvels of syncopation within. --part1_102.2f417cce.2c138fda_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/7/2003 1:48:22 PM Eastern Dayligh= t Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:

HA!  That reminds me of an= ex girlfriend mine, a very mean drunk, who
started a huge fight with me when I disagreed with her as to the fact
that "There's a Tear in my Bear" was the best song *ever*.



yeah well my favorite song of all time (after years of djing and listening t= o everything form punk to trance) is "you got the look" by prince and sheena= easten.  I dare anyone to download and pay particular attention to the= high hat patterns and other marvels of syncopation within.  --part1_102.2f417cce.2c138fda_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 15:30:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57JTmE15436; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:29:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:30:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Scofield live / Looping X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <37D9D8D6-9918-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <37D9D8D6-9918-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, > the sound was way too loud. I wouldn't say it was too loud (it wasn't exactly quiet of course), but just bad. The venue was completely circular with a domed roof so I'm not really surprised it didn't sound good. > Welcome aboard! Thanks. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 15:41:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57JejN17077; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:40:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:40:42 -0700 Subject: Best song ever (was Re: distortionist) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <102.2f417cce.2c138fda@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Ray9356@aol.com wrote: > yeah well my favorite song of all time (after years of djing and > listening to everything form punk to trance) is "you got the look" by > prince and sheena easten. Yeah, well I'm not sure if I'd say it's the "best song ever" or even my favorite Prince song, but it "sho nuff do be cooking in my book." Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 15:54:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57JmRJ18444; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:48:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:48:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Improvisation = fast Composition ? Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [80.58.38.107] Message-Id: <20030607194823.BC1B1ABB5@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_pX0XC.A.CgE.LGk4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Bach's fugues would have followed all the rules of >counterpoint, (no parallel fifths that sort of thing). >..and then conformed to the structural rules of >a fugue. > >not so easy i think that improvised fugues should were very boring ... do you imagine if some pretty/rich lady of that time asks J.S.B for a concert of, let's say, ten improvised fugues without any break .... arrgghh !!! ... better to attend to a complete Wagner's ... =)>raul<(= _____________________________________________________________ fighting for independence? - incorporate online, simple and inexpensive: http://www.ad-free.info/incorporatestart.htm hate online advertising? we answer the call: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/aboutus.aspx _____________________________________________________________ if somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our anti-spam policy here: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/spaminfo.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 16:38:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57Kc1224901; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:38:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c32d35$2a4fdf20$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Alan Bloor, Aidan Baker & Thomas Baker Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:41:26 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5-QjT.A.9EG.p0k4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday June 10th - Alan Bloor (Pholde/Knurl), Aidan Baker (ARC) and Thomas Baker Aidan Baker (guitar/looper), Thomas Baker (piano), and Alan Bloor (amplified metal) return to The Ambient Ping following the release of their recording 'Terza Rima' on Public Eyesore Records, which documents their previous visit to the Ping in Oct 2002. The clash of their respective sounds promises an evening of music ranging from free-jazz to experimental/ambient to drone-rock to harsh-noise. A brief descriptive passage from www.AmbiEntrance.org : "adroitly mutated boogie woogie (and much more) keyboarding which slips into a feedback fogbank, laced with grinding iron sounds... awesome powers rage within the billowing blackness (whose intensity reaches cataclysmic proportions before melting into softer [though still scarred] after-the-storm environments...sweet!)." Aidan Baker http://listen.to/aidan Alan Bloor http://www.pholde.com Between Sets CD - "Lost and Found" disc 1 - A Foundry Anthology "Lost" (disc 1 of this twin CD set) features the works of the Foundry label 'founder' Michael Bentley under his name and several project names: Rhomb, eM, and the Apiary. These angular, yet gentle, abstract soundworks exist somewhere between glitch and ambience. http://www.foundrysite.com/lostandfound . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Loop Studies One" by Aidan Baker This collection of four movements captures the live grace and form that has made Aidan Baker so widely regarded in the Toronto music scene. Pulling tones from the ether as if they were living things, creating an atmosphere out of the mundane, enveloping the listener in a womblike security. It takes magic to create an environment as rich as this, a space filled with nuance and grace. With "Loop Studies One" Aidan has proven once again that his work goes beyond musical into the realm of the alchemical. You need this kind of magic in your life. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com - http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to be updated on all the latest releases on sale at ping things. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming June 17th - (((stereofect))), noCore and nwodtleM (((stereofect))) - http://listen.to/abstract_ambient noCore - http://home.golden.net/~miq/mainframe.html nwodtleM - http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/nwodtlem Between Sets CD - "PiNG" by SYLKEN http://www.sylken.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 16:47:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57KkRB26477; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030607145241.007cc750@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:52:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: virtual buttons In-Reply-To: <000801c32cfd$ecc38350$47d14843@your6eqrfth4nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim, can you detail a bit of how you're working at it now? -A couple things to check are that the midi channel is the same between the two, and that you're adding the correct midi offsets to the values listed in the manual. In other words, if your midi offset is set to 36 in the Echoplex, then a note number of 1, would actually need to be sent as note number 37 from the FCB. Does this make sense? -Hope this helps... Smiles, Cara At 09:05 AM 6/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > Hello fellow loopers, I have an EDP with loop 4 software. I am trying >to figure out how to access the virtual buttons for operation via a >berringer FCB1010 midi controller. So far I havn't had any luck getting >the two devices to work together. The info in the manuals appears to be >easy to understand but I still have not had any luck getting this to >operate. If anyone out there can help me a suggestion or two that would be >great. Thank You Jim aurlite@prodigy.net --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 17:31:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57LTsP31914; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:29:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: MIDI looping (again) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:30:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c32d3c$0fb95e00$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm trying to narrow my wish list for a > MIDI looper in the hope that > something will actually meet these > needs/desires... I can make you something like this with the Looper Construction Kit but it would require a computer and Kyma system of course. (1), (2) and (3) are no problem. I can't easily give you overdubbing but I can give you a good replacement (so that's (4) and (5)). I can give you multiply, too, without overdubbing (6). Multiple loops (7) is no problem. I haven't played around on a SP-808 much so I'm uncertain as to how their phrase playback works. Probably the trickest issue is a good control surface. The key, as you state, is good visual feedback. What kind of visual feedback would you like? Kyma has a Virtual Control Surface on the computer screen where you can create various visual feedback elements. (I use "fill buttons" a lot to simulate LEDs. They change color with their state (ON/OFF).) You could try out different types of visual feedback indicators, then use some of the DIY MIDI kits to make it in hardware. Ideally, the indicators would clamp like a meter bridge to an existing footpedal like the FCB-1010 forming one unit. Food for thought... Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:54 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: MIDI looping (again) I'm trying to narrow my wish list for a MIDI looper in the hope that something will actually meet these needs/desires... 1. I want multiple independent loops or phrases. 2. I want to arm a record on a loop and have it wait for me to press a key to start recording. I want to stop recording by hitting a button. The idea is, prep the device, play the loop, and then tell it to start looping by hitting another button. 3. I want it to exhibit EDP-like smarts or better with respect to quantization. In other words, I should be able to optionally quantize the loop length to a tempo but that shouldn't affect when exactly it starts and ends just how far apart they are. I also want to be able to generate tempo from loop length. 4. I would like to be able to overdub, but I might trade overdubbing for more easily accessible loops. 5. If I can overdub I want to be able to erase notes. 6. If I can overdub, I'd like to be able to multiply. 7. I want to play multiple loops at once more or less like a phrase sampler. >From a performance standpoint Roland's RPS function on their grooveboxes and the phrase playback on the SP-808 is a good model but neither is particularly good for spontaneous phrase creation. Is there anything out there that can do this? If not and the answer is that I have to use a computer and Max, is there a particularly good control surface to use for this sort of task? I'd like something where I can provide visual feedback on the control surface so that I don't have to look at the computer screen to see what's going on. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 18:16:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57MFP902804; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:15:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:19:18 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Echo Pro question/problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2003 22:15:24.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AAE3C50:01C32D42] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've finally bought myself an Echo Pro and am having a problem with it that I am sure is a fault but thought I'd check if anyone else has come across it... The problems both relate to the looper's own delay line. I can't get the delay to work in 'real time' (I've used a DL4 for years so know the way it works) - there is no delay applied to the dry signal when I play into it before recording a loop or when in record mode. The delay-related controls within the looper have absolutely no effect upon the dry signal, however, the delay is applied only to the recorded loop upon playback - this is of course rediculous and intensely irritating. The other thing is that the delays when they do appear, (applied to the loop on playback) are not in sync with the MIDI clock (the main delay programmes all work perfectly in sync and I have the system set up for clocking to MIDI. A while ago, Line6 told me that the Looper's delay is also syncable to MIDI. I can only deduce that I have a faulty unit. Has anybody else had this problem, and is there any system control that I've missed? I'll take it back to the shop on Monday but wanted to check that its not me! Thanks in anticipation of confirmation/advvice. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 19:22:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57NKrY10113; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:20:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:20:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030607232052.58489.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Echo Pro question/problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds like a pretty odd bug to me. The only other thing it could possibly be is that if you're using a custom patch, or customized the factory preset, to where the delay is turned down when the expression pedal is in both extreme positions, effectively making the delay silent no matter where the expression pedal is set. However, considering you already have a DL-4 and know how to use it, I would imagine you would have thought of this and accounted for it. So, I would guess a software bug. Have you tried a full system reset? Even if it works afterwards, I probably would play it safe and swap it for another one. Good luck! --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, > > I've finally bought myself an Echo Pro and am having > a problem with it that I > am sure is a fault but thought I'd check if anyone > else has come across it... > > The problems both relate to the looper's own delay > line. I can't get the delay > to work in 'real time' (I've used a DL4 for years so > know the way it works) - > there is no delay applied to the dry signal when I > play into it before > recording a loop or when in record mode. The > delay-related controls within > the > looper have absolutely no effect upon the dry > signal, however, the delay is > applied only to the recorded loop upon playback - > this is of course rediculous > and intensely irritating. The other thing is that > the delays when they do > appear, (applied to the loop on playback) are not in > sync with the MIDI clock > (the main delay programmes all work perfectly in > sync and I have the system > set > up for clocking to MIDI. A while ago, Line6 told me > that the Looper's delay is > also syncable to MIDI. > > I can only deduce that I have a faulty unit. Has > anybody else had this > problem, > and is there any system control that I've missed? > > I'll take it back to the shop on Monday but wanted > to check that its not me! > > Thanks in anticipation of confirmation/advvice. > > Ian. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 19:40:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57Ndll12120; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:39:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:39:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EE0E405.46A1D7D1@ripco.com> References: <3EE0E405.46A1D7D1@ripco.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:39:36 -0700 To: eleon@ripco.com, Loopers-Delight From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: [Fwd: Matthew Sperry RIP] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FWD_MSG,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:57 PM -0500 6/6/03, Eric Leonardson wrote: >I didn't know Matthew, but apparently he was a friend of a lot of mine >in the Bay Area, perhaps he was a member of this community, too? Oh my God, this is terrible news. Matthew was a friend of mine, I used to see him in Seattle, and he stayed at my place a few times when he came through on gigs. I remember him making a wonderful quick pasta sauce from whatever he found in our fridge one night after a duo concert with him and John Butcher. I'd gotten out of touch since he moved to the bay area, but had no idea this had happened. He was a wonderful bassist, and he leaves much wonderful music unplayed. I'm in shock. This puts so much into perspective. I've been running around like mad for the last few days, with a CD release party tonight, and no CD's until late yesterday afternoon. This really reminds me how brief and precious and fragile our time on this planet truly is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 19:54:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h57NoKx13378; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:50:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c32d4f$8a225d00$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <00d701c32c5e$95939150$6401a8c0@p4> <002a01c32c81$2c655e70$6401a8c0@p4> Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:50:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2003 23:50:19.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D2FC410:01C32D4F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent news ! What audio interface are you using ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernesto schnack" To: Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 2:12 AM Subject: Re: Anyone using a laptop for audio recordig ? > Well I don't think you'll have any probelms. I've come close to 20 while > using multiple softsynths, and my sony laptop handles it fine. And it's > already a year old, so you can get something much more powerful nowadays. > > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:13:00 +0100, David Swain > wrote: > > > Well the answer is i don't know ! > > I can't imagine more than 20 really, plus halion and maybe a softsynth or > > two. > > Then again ....... > > I have to stay pc all my software is for it, so no macs. > > > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 20:24:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h580MIW16995; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:22:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:22:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Echo Pro question/problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030607232052.58489.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <41B06646-9947-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree, when I got mine I did a full system reset and I do not have that experience at all. If a system reset doesn't fix it, I say exchange it. Mark On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:20 PM, Rich R. wrote: > That sounds like a pretty odd bug to me. The only > other thing it could possibly be is that if you're > using a custom patch, or customized the factory > preset, to where the delay is turned down when the > expression pedal is in both extreme positions, > effectively making the delay silent no matter where > the expression pedal is set. However, considering you > already have a DL-4 and know how to use it, I would > imagine you would have thought of this and accounted > for it. > > So, I would guess a software bug. Have you tried a > full system reset? Even if it works afterwards, I > probably would play it safe and swap it for another > one. > > Good luck! > > > > --- Ian Popperwell wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've finally bought myself an Echo Pro and am having >> a problem with it that I >> am sure is a fault but thought I'd check if anyone >> else has come across it... >> >> The problems both relate to the looper's own delay >> line. I can't get the delay >> to work in 'real time' (I've used a DL4 for years so >> know the way it works) - >> there is no delay applied to the dry signal when I >> play into it before >> recording a loop or when in record mode. The >> delay-related controls within >> the >> looper have absolutely no effect upon the dry >> signal, however, the delay is >> applied only to the recorded loop upon playback - >> this is of course rediculous >> and intensely irritating. The other thing is that >> the delays when they do >> appear, (applied to the loop on playback) are not in >> sync with the MIDI clock >> (the main delay programmes all work perfectly in >> sync and I have the system >> set >> up for clocking to MIDI. A while ago, Line6 told me >> that the Looper's delay is >> also syncable to MIDI. >> >> I can only deduce that I have a faulty unit. Has >> anybody else had this >> problem, >> and is there any system control that I've missed? >> >> I'll take it back to the shop on Monday but wanted >> to check that its not me! >> >> Thanks in anticipation of confirmation/advvice. >> >> Ian. >> >> >> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 20:35:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h580YSj18522; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c32d55$7f4f9d60$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <002b01c32d1f$52d47fc0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Subject: Re: OT Re: distortionist Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 01:32:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "I've got tears in my ears > from lying on my back > thinking of you." or 'Stare at the ceiling, til my ears fill up with tears never got to know you, then suddenly you're out of here' anyone care to take a guess who that was? Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 7 22:29:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h582SwL31695; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:28:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:28:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c32d66$6cf4c300$237f893e@005658020234> From: "renaldo MCKIM" To: Subject: Looping gear for sale Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 03:34:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C32D6E.CD0DEC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C32D6E.CD0DEC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I have the following for sale But I will only post to UK locations only (sorry everyone else) Lexicon Vortex with pwr supply, manual, Lexicon footpedal and = bespecoVM18L expresion pedal =A3135 price includes postage Line 6 DL4 Delay/Looper pedal with manual and pwr supply =A3125 price = includes postage renaldo@renaldo.freeserve.co.uk thanks Renaldo ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C32D6E.CD0DEC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi I have the following for = sale
But I will only post to UK locations=20 only
(sorry everyone else)
Lexicon Vortex with pwr supply, manual, = Lexicon=20 footpedal and bespecoVM18L expresion pedal =A3135 price includes=20 postage
Line 6 DL4 Delay/Looper pedal with = manual and pwr=20 supply =A3125 price includes postage
renaldo@renaldo.freeserve= .co.uk
thanks
Renaldo
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C32D6E.CD0DEC00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 07:02:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h58B1Db20808; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:01:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 11:59:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Echo Pro question/problem In-Reply-To: <20030607232052.58489.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2003 11:01:11.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[455B9D90:01C32DAD] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h58B1CB20785 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. At 00:20 08/06/03 , you wrote: >That sounds like a pretty odd bug to me.  The only >other thing it could possibly be is that if you're >using a custom patch, or customized the factory >preset, to where the delay is turned down when the >expression pedal is in both extreme positions, >effectively making the delay silent no matter where >the expression pedal is set. However, considering you >already have a DL-4 and know how to use it, I would >imagine you would have thought of this and accounted >for it.  > >So, I would guess a software bug.  Have you tried a >full system reset?  Even if it works afterwards, I >probably would play it safe and swap it for another >one. > >Good luck! > > > >--- Ian Popperwell wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've finally bought myself an Echo Pro and am having >> a problem with it that I >> am sure is a fault but thought I'd check if anyone >> else has come across it... >> >> The problems both relate to the looper's own delay >> line. I can't get the delay >> to work in 'real time' (I've used a DL4 for years so >> know the way it works) - >> there is no delay applied to the dry signal when I >> play into it before >> recording a loop or when in record mode. The >> delay-related controls  within >> the >> looper have absolutely no effect upon the dry >> signal, however, the delay is >> applied only to the recorded loop upon playback - >> this is of course rediculous >> and intensely irritating. The other thing is that >> the delays when they do >> appear, (applied to the loop on playback) are not in >> sync with the MIDI clock >> (the main delay programmes all work perfectly in >> sync and I have the system >> set >> up for clocking to MIDI. A while ago, Line6 told me >> that the Looper's delay is >> also syncable to MIDI. >> >> I can only deduce that I have a faulty unit. Has >> anybody else had this >> problem, >> and is there any system control that I've missed? >> >> I'll take it back to the shop on Monday but wanted >> to check that its not me! >> >> Thanks in anticipation of confirmation/advvice. >> >> Ian. >> >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 09:33:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h58DUkE31092; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:30:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:30:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 14:34:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Echo Pro question/problem In-Reply-To: <41B06646-9947-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <20030607232052.58489.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2003 13:30:44.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[29B5C6F0:01C32DC2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h58DUjB31069 Resent-Message-ID: <4XGgtD.A.slH.Gqz4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, I've sorted it out (or at lleast the main issue) and it was a system setup thing - I'll explain it briefly for other Echo Pro users. The first thing that I did when I unpacked it was set it up in the MIDI/System menu - MIDI channel, clock, bypass mode etc. The problem that I had (of only hearing the loop delays when the loop was playing) seems to be with the "Mix Mode" parameter: I'd set it to "loop" because I'm using the EP from an aux send of my desk so I always want only wet signal through it. As soon as I changed this to "global", the looper's internal delay started to work with all material going through the looper. This is OK coz I can always keep the mix control set to wet. I do still have a question about the note values of the looper's delay though when set to MIDI clock sync, mine is syncing but it seems like its set to a triplet setting which can be quite nice but not what one would always want!. Any tips on setting note res in the looper coz the button to do it is used for the "play" control, maybe with a MIDI message? Thanks. Ian. At 01:22 08/06/03 , you wrote: >I agree, when I got mine I did a full system reset and I do not have >that experience at all. > >If a system reset doesn't fix it, I say exchange it. > >Mark > >On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:20 PM, Rich R. wrote: > >> That sounds like a pretty odd bug to me.  The only >> other thing it could possibly be is that if you're >> using a custom patch, or customized the factory >> preset, to where the delay is turned down when the >> expression pedal is in both extreme positions, >> effectively making the delay silent no matter where >> the expression pedal is set. However, considering you >> already have a DL-4 and know how to use it, I would >> imagine you would have thought of this and accounted >> for it. >> >> So, I would guess a software bug.  Have you tried a >> full system reset?  Even if it works afterwards, I >> probably would play it safe and swap it for another >> one. >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> --- Ian Popperwell wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've finally bought myself an Echo Pro and am having >>> a problem with it that I >>> am sure is a fault but thought I'd check if anyone >>> else has come across it... >>> >>> The problems both relate to the looper's own delay >>> line. I can't get the delay >>> to work in 'real time' (I've used a DL4 for years so >>> know the way it works) - >>> there is no delay applied to the dry signal when I >>> play into it before >>> recording a loop or when in record mode. The >>> delay-related controls  within >>> the >>> looper have absolutely no effect upon the dry >>> signal, however, the delay is >>> applied only to the recorded loop upon playback - >>> this is of course rediculous >>> and intensely irritating. The other thing is that >>> the delays when they do >>> appear, (applied to the loop on playback) are not in >>> sync with the MIDI clock >>> (the main delay programmes all work perfectly in >>> sync and I have the system >>> set >>> up for clocking to MIDI. A while ago, Line6 told me >>> that the Looper's delay is >>> also syncable to MIDI. >>> >>> I can only deduce that I have a faulty unit. Has >>> anybody else had this >>> problem, >>> and is there any system control that I've missed? >>> >>> I'll take it back to the shop on Monday but wanted >>> to check that its not me! >>> >>> Thanks in anticipation of confirmation/advvice. >>> >>> Ian. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >> http://calendar.yahoo.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 09:49:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h58DldZ00530; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:47:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030608154255.02c59008@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:48:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: a historic show! In-Reply-To: <200306052040.h55KeTF32684@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2675677==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_2675677==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matthias; Thanks a million for posting the pics and be sure to thank your girl friend= =20 for taking them! If an event ever deserved to be documented this was it.=20 Too bad about the audio recording. Maybe next time. I also want to extend a "big up" to Matthias Grob and Per Boysen. Thanks=20 for being and thanks for inviting me to participate in a really magic=20 evening. I look forward to more opportunities to share and grow with=20 yourselves as well as others in the looping community. Jair-R=F4hm ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_2675677==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matthias;

Thanks a million for posting the pics and be sure to thank your girl friend for taking them! If an event ever deserved to be documented this was it. Too bad about the audio recording. Maybe next time.

I also want to extend a "big up" to Matthias Grob and Per Boysen. Thanks for being and thanks for inviting me to participate in a really magic evening. I look forward to more opportunities to share and grow with yourselves as well as others in the looping community.

Jair-R=F4hm






----------------------------------------------------------------
Glass Thought Communications
"Records for people to listen to at home."
+46 708 940893
http://mp3.com/jairrohm
 --=====================_2675677==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 12:18:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h58GGpV18639; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:16:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Echo Pro question/problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <96D67096-99CC-11D7-B446-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h58GGlB18612 Resent-Message-ID: <_y6wmD.A.HjE.zF24-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, thanks for the tip. I'm going through the manual right now and it seems fairly heavy. http://www.line6.com/pdf/manuals/EN/EchoProRevA.pdf I'll let you know if I find the answer. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 06:34 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > I do still have a question about the note values of the looper's delay > though > when set to MIDI clock sync, mine is syncing but it seems like its set > to a > triplet setting which can be quite nice but not what one would always > want!. > Any tips on setting note res in the looper coz the button to do it is > used for > the "play" control, maybe with a MIDI message? > Thanks. > Ian. > > > At 01:22 08/06/03 , you wrote: >> I agree, when I got mine I did a full system reset and I do not have >> that experience at all. >> >> If a system reset doesn't fix it, I say exchange it. >> >> Mark >> >> On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:20 PM, Rich R. wrote: >> >>> That sounds like a pretty odd bug to me.  The only >>> other thing it could possibly be is that if you're >>> using a custom patch, or customized the factory >>> preset, to where the delay is turned down when the >>> expression pedal is in both extreme positions, >>> effectively making the delay silent no matter where >>> the expression pedal is set. However, considering you >>> already have a DL-4 and know how to use it, I would >>> imagine you would have thought of this and accounted >>> for it. >>> >>> So, I would guess a software bug.  Have you tried a >>> full system reset?  Even if it works afterwards, I >>> probably would play it safe and swap it for another >>> one. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Ian Popperwell wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I've finally bought myself an Echo Pro and am having >>>> a problem with it that I >>>> am sure is a fault but thought I'd check if anyone >>>> else has come across it... >>>> >>>> The problems both relate to the looper's own delay >>>> line. I can't get the delay >>>> to work in 'real time' (I've used a DL4 for years so >>>> know the way it works) - >>>> there is no delay applied to the dry signal when I >>>> play into it before >>>> recording a loop or when in record mode. The >>>> delay-related controls  within >>>> the >>>> looper have absolutely no effect upon the dry >>>> signal, however, the delay is >>>> applied only to the recorded loop upon playback - >>>> this is of course rediculous >>>> and intensely irritating. The other thing is that >>>> the delays when they do >>>> appear, (applied to the loop on playback) are not in >>>> sync with the MIDI clock >>>> (the main delay programmes all work perfectly in >>>> sync and I have the system >>>> set >>>> up for clocking to MIDI. A while ago, Line6 told me >>>> that the Looper's delay is >>>> also syncable to MIDI. >>>> >>>> I can only deduce that I have a faulty unit. Has >>>> anybody else had this >>>> problem, >>>> and is there any system control that I've missed? >>>> >>>> I'll take it back to the shop on Monday but wanted >>>> to check that its not me! >>>> >>>> Thanks in anticipation of confirmation/advvice. >>>> >>>> Ian. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >>> http://calendar.yahoo.com >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 13:01:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h58GxrG24530; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c32ddf$83f16c60$33e75cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for June 7, 2003 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 13:00:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C32DBD.ED6390A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C32DBD.ED6390A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I = also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #24 June 7, 2003. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Ken Martin Through the Vortex of Berlin Impressions = Volume 3 Liquid Lights (Space for Music) Dom F. Scab Rescue of Hope Facta (Groove) Skin Mechanix Ultravista The Secret Life of = Angels (InfectionMusic) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D VA [Levant & Morgan] Prelude in C with Ave Windham Hill Chill = (Windham Maria Hill) VA [Liz Story] Wedding Rain Windham Hill Chill = (Windham Hill) VA [Sean Harkness] Coming Home Windham Hill Chill = (Windham Hill) Adrian Legg Short Story Guitar Bones (Favored = Nations Acoustic) Adrian Legg St. Mary's Guitar Bones (Favored = Nations Acoustic) Kinzaza Endless Freedom Number One in Shambala = (Sense) Dominic Gaudios If You Knew Me All Hopped Up (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Bjorn Lynne One Step to Paradise Colony (none) VA [Steve Morse] The Clap Tales from Yesterday = (Magna Carta) Pinnacle Minstrel in the Gallery none (none) Kansas Song for America The Best of Kansas = (CBS) Erik Norlander Epilogue: Sky Full of Music Machine (Avalon) Stars * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on June 21. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever = strikes my fancy. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at = http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C32DBD.ED6390A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who=20 plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an = eclectic mix=20 of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH=20 Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you = love or=20 hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from = 8:00 am=20 to 9:30 am.
            =    =20     Show #24       =20             June 7, = 2003.
Phase I/Space:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Ken=20 Martin           &= nbsp; =20 Through the Vortex of    Berlin Impressions Volume=20 3
           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp; =20 Liquid = Lights            = (Space for Music)
Dom F.=20 Scab           &nb= sp;=20 Rescue of = Hope           Facta=20 (Groove)
Skin=20 Mechanix          =20 Ultravista          &nb= sp;   =20 The Secret Life of=20 Angels
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 (InfectionMusic)
 
Phase II/Eclectic:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
VA [Levant & Morgan]   =20 Prelude in C with Ave    Windham Hill Chill=20 (Windham
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Maria           &n= bsp;       =20 Hill)
VA [Liz = Story]         =20 Wedding=20 Rain           &nb= sp;=20 Windham Hill Chill=20 (Windham
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Hill)
VA [Sean Harkness]      Coming=20 Home           &nb= sp; =20 Windham Hill Chill=20 (Windham
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Hill)
Adrian=20 Legg           &nb= sp;=20 Short=20 Story           &n= bsp; =20 Guitar Bones (Favored=20 Nations
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 Acoustic)
Adrian=20 Legg           &nb= sp; St.=20 Mary's           &= nbsp;  =20 Guitar Bones (Favored=20 Nations
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 Acoustic)
Kinzaza         = ;       =20 Endless Freedom          = Number One=20 in Shambala (Sense)
Dominic=20 Gaudios         If You Knew=20 Me           All = Hopped Up=20 (none)
 
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Bjorn=20 Lynne           &n= bsp;=20 One Step to Paradise     Colony (none)
VA [Steve=20 Morse]        The=20 Clap           &nb= sp;    =20 Tales from Yesterday=20 (Magna
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 Carta)
Pinnacle         &= nbsp;     =20 Minstrel in the Gallery  none=20 (none)
Kansas         &nb= sp;       =20 Song for America         The = Best of=20 Kansas (CBS)
Erik=20 Norlander          = Epilogue: Sky=20 Full of    Music Machine=20 (Avalon)
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Stars
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on June 21.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00).
Phase = 1:=20 Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the=20 Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or = whatever strikes my fancy.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past = masters to=20 comtemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and=20 click the REAL AUDIO link.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C32DBD.ED6390A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 13:45:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h58HiJ531104; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 13:44:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 13:44:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burning Man Loopers Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 10:44:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2003 17:44:12.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[927BBF50:01C32DE5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be there zapping the bad guys with Moons of Mongo www.moonsofmongo.com >From: "Reid Maxwell" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Burning Man Loopers >Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:56:50 -0700 > >it's getting close. Any loopers going. > >Reid > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 14:15:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h58IEVY02557; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:14:15 EDT Subject: Re: Burning Man Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c.128f95fc.2c14d6f7_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c.128f95fc.2c14d6f7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/8/03 1:44:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, armyofpie@hotmail.com writes: > www.moonsofmongo.com what fun!.....thanks.....michael --part1_c.128f95fc.2c14d6f7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/8/03= 1:44:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, armyofpie@hotmail.com writes:


www.moonsofmongo.com

what fun!.....thanks.....michael --part1_c.128f95fc.2c14d6f7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 18:21:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h58MKRd30151; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:20:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:20:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:20:24 -0700 Subject: Re: MIDI looping (again) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c32d3c$0fb95e00$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My whole life would change if I got a Kyma. My loops would be better. My son would eat his vegetables... ;-) Mark on 6/7/03 2:30 PM, dennis@mail.worldserver.com at dennis@mail.worldserver.com wrote: > I can make you something like this with the Looper Construction Kit but it > would require a computer and Kyma system of course. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 19:01:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h58N0HA02588; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:00:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:00:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:00:09 -0700 To: zvonar@composers.la From: Richard Zvonar Subject: acf/LA teXalon June 22 - VIRTUAL ACOUSTIC SPACES Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1157009274==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1157009274==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable American Composers Forum of Los Angeles presents: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >------ acf/LA TECHNOLOGY SALON 06 ------< COMPOSITION AND PERFORMANCE IN VIRTUAL ACOUSTIC SPACES =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D DATE: Sunday, JUNE 22, 2003 2:00 - 5:00 PM PLACE: Boston Court Theatre 70 North Mentor Avenue Pasadena, CA 90021 (626) 683-6883 http://bostoncourttheatre.com/ DONATION: $5.00 DIRECTIONS: 210 Freeway to Lake exit N. Lake Ave south past E. Union St. Left on Boston Court, 1 block to N. Mentor Parking behind theater http://bostoncourttheatre.com/165033.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D THE TECHNOLOGY, THE VENUE, THE PROGRAM Recent developments in concert hall electroacoustics and digital matrix mixing offer exciting new options for performance of live music. Level Control Systems is among the leading developers of such tools, and the installation of an LCS-based multichannel sound system in the newly-opened Theatre at Boston Court in Pasadena provides a chance to explore some of the musical possibilities of these new technologies. Boston Court Theatre is an intimate, state-of-the-art performing arts complex with a 99-seat theater and 60-seat performance space. It is equipped with a 20-speaker surround sound system with a Level Control Systems digital matrix mixer, and featuring the LCS Variable Room Acoustics System (VRAS). The LCS matrix allows individual control of each speaker channel, facilitating dynamic distribution of live and recorded sounds throughout the performance space. In conjunction with this, VRAS provides a natural-sounding yet widely variable electroacoustic reverberation. The teXalon program will give an introduction to multichannel matrix mixing and variable room acoustics systems, using LCS both in support of live acoustic music and to present prerecorded music and sound effects to theatrical effect. We will explore both "naturalistic" uses of the system to shape concert hall acoustics and "surrealistic" electroacoustic effects that can become integral to future musics. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D PRESENTERS: Richard BUGG: Introduction to Level Control Systems Matrix3 audio mixing/processing engine and VRAS (Variable Room Acoustics System). Mart=EDn CARRILLO: Using LCS for composition and theatrical sound design, featuring excerpts from his operetta "Medea." Richard ZVONAR: Automated matrix mixing and variable room acoustics as performance resources. with demonstrations and performances by Mary Lou NEWMARK, Tom HEASLEY, jt COKER, and Richard BUGG. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RICHARD BUGG has designed, built, and performed on modular analog synthesizers. He has toured as a musician and as a live sound engineer, worked as a studio musician and as an engineer, edited and mastered albums starting with the first generation analog multi-track tape machine, and was an early user of Sound Designer (later known as Pro Tools). As a composer he has had commissions from modern dance companies. His current work is for Level Control Systems involved in the design and implementation of control surfaces for theater sound, and in the development of the company's active acoustic system, VRAS. MART=CDN CARRILLO (Sound Designer/Composer) began his career designing for Guggenheim and Barrymore recognized theaters in Philadelphia. Past credits plays The Tragedy of Joan of Arc, and Cafeteria, as well as Biloxi Blues, at historic Pasadena Playhouse. After two Barrymore nominations, the designer moved to Los Angeles, and with Fran=E7ois Bergeron, he helped produce Universal Studios Port Aventura's Templo del Fuego, and programmed LCS surround matrices for the new Tokyo Disney Sea. He has composed four original scores for the short films Touch, Math and You, The Areola, and Snore, and is thrilled to be presenting the first rumblings of today's excerpt from his Operetta for spoken word, Medea. RICHARD ZVONAR is a composer and music technologist who has been involved in spatial music, intermedia performance, and theater sound since 1969. After several years with Good Sound Foundation, researching and developing electroacoustic systems for musical performance, he was associated with Level Control Systems during its formative years. Zvonar is the founder and coordinator the acf/LA technology programs. MARY LOU NEWMARK is a composer, performer, poet, music teacher and lecturer. Her compositions encompass a wide range of styles and techniques, with a particular emphasis on electronic music. She holds a Bachelor of Music degree from Southern Methodist University and a Master of Music degree from the USC (both in violin performance) and a Masters degree in composition from the UCLA. Ms. Newmark performs in concert and gives lecture/demonstrations of her music throughout the United States. She has received many awards including a 1999 and 2000 ASCAP Award, a Mu Phi Epsilon Grant, and recognition in the Luigi Russolo Competition for electronic music. In 2002, Ms. Newmark completed a residency at the Atlantic Center for the Arts in Florida working with composer Steve Mackey and the Talujon Percussion Quartet, and was commissioned by the Montpelier Chamber Orchestra to write an electric violin concerto performed by her and the ensemble in Vermont, March of 2003. TOM HEASLEY is an internationally acclaimed composer, performer, improviser and recording artist whose compositions for electroacoustic tuba create "a rich and sonorous aural experience that flies in the face of all the dumb cliches about what tuba music is." Mr. Heasley's music is available on two recent CDs - Where the Earth Meets the Sky (Hypnos) and On the Sensations of Tone (Innova). His music has been featured on National Public Radio, BBC Radio 3, Public Radio International, John Schaefer's New Sounds on WNYC, and many other radio programs. In 2002 Heasley was awarded an Artist Fellowship in Music Composition by Arts Council Silicon Valley. His work has also been supported by the National Endowment for the Arts, the American Composers Forum and the McKnight =46oundation. Mr. Heasley has performed, recorded or otherwise collaborated with a variety of artists, including Bobby Bradford, Eugene Chadbourne, The Berkeley Symphony, Alvin Curran, Stuart Dempster, Charlie Haden, Pauline Oliveros, The Merce Cunningham Dance Company, and many others. J T COKER is a self educated percussionist with a primary interest in knowing the essence of playing (not working at) music. He started on electric bass, then guitar - R n' B, Rock n' Roll, C&W, Pop, folk, and jazz, then quit playing for a living to live for playing - to explore music, for its own sake. Took up hand percussionm, drum set, and shakuhachi. His primary current interest is in playing totally free music in the duo Natural Music with electric guitarist Ed Nunnery. -- >------| || ||| ||||| |||||||| ||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||------< acf/LA Technology Salons - fashioning possibilities for future music >------|||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||| |||||||| ||||| ||| || |------< Need more info?: (562) 464-6644 or --============_-1157009274==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable acf/LA teXalon June 22 - VIRTUAL ACOUSTIC SPACES
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 

     >------ acf/LA TECHNOLOGY SALON 06 ------<

COMPOSITION AND PERFORMANCE IN VIRTUAL ACOUSTIC SPACES

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

DATE:   Sunday, JUNE 22, 2003
        2:00 - 5:00 PM

PLACE:  Boston Court Theatre
        70 North Mentor Avenue
        Pasadena, CA 90021

        (626) 683-6883

http://bostoncourttheatre.com/


DONATION:       $5.00

DIRECTIONS:     210 Freeway to Lake exit
                N. Lake Ave south past E. Union St.
                Left on Boston Court, 1 block to N. Mentor
                Parking behind theater
       
http://bostoncourttheatre.com/165033.html

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D 
THE TECHNOLOGY, THE VENUE, THE PROGRAM

Recent developments in concert hall electroacoustics and digital matrix mixing offer exciting new options for performance of live music. Level Control Systems is among the leading developers of such tools, and the installation of an LCS-based multichannel sound system in the newly-opened Theatre at Boston Court in Pasadena provides a chance to explore some of the musical possibilities of these new technologies.

Boston Court Theatre is an intimate, state-of-the-art performing arts complex with a 99-seat theater and 60-seat performance space. It is equipped with a 20-speaker surround sound system with a Level Control Systems digital matrix mixer, and featuring the LCS Variable Room Acoustics System (VRAS). The LCS matrix allows individual control of each speaker channel, facilitating dynamic distribution of live and recorded sounds throughout the performance space. In conjunction with this, VRAS provides a natural-sounding yet widely variable electroacoustic reverberation.

The teXalon program will give an introduction to multichannel matrix mixing and variable room acoustics systems, using LCS both in support of live acoustic music and to present prerecorded music and sound effects to theatrical effect. We will explore both "naturalistic" uses of the system to shape concert hall acoustics and "surrealistic" electroacoustic effects that can become integral to future musics.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D 

PRESENTERS:
Richard BUGG: Introduction to  Level Control Systems Matrix3 audio mixing/processing engine and VRAS (Variable Room Acoustics System).

Mart=EDn CARRILLO: Using LCS for composition and theatrical sound design, featuring excerpts from his operetta "Medea."

Richard ZVONAR: Automated matrix mixing and variable room acoustics as  performance resources.

with demonstrations and performances by Mary Lou NEWMARK, Tom HEASLEY, jt COKER, and Richard BUGG.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D

RICHARD BUGG has designed, built, and performed on modular analog synthesizers. He has toured as a musician and as a live sound engineer, worked as a studio musician and as an engineer, edited and mastered albums starting with the first generation analog multi-track tape machine, and was an early user of Sound Designer (later known as Pro Tools). As a composer he has had commissions from modern dance companies. His current work is for Level Control Systems involved in the design and implementation of control surfaces for theater sound, and in the development of the company's active acoustic system, VRAS.

MART=CDN CARRILLO (Sound Designer/Composer) began his career designing for Guggenheim and Barrymore recognized theaters in Philadelphia. Past credits plays The Tragedy of Joan of Arc, and Cafeteria, as well as Biloxi Blues, at historic Pasadena Playhouse. After two Barrymore nominations, the designer moved to Los Angeles, and with =46ran=E7ois Bergeron, he helped produce Universal Studios Port Aventura's Templo del Fuego, and programmed LCS surround matrices for the new Tokyo Disney Sea.  He has composed four original scores for the short films Touch, Math and You, The Areola, and Snore, and is thrilled to be presenting the first rumblings of today's excerpt from his Operetta for spoken word, Medea.

RICHARD ZVONAR is a composer and music technologist who has been involved in spatial music, intermedia performance, and theater sound since 1969. After several years with Good Sound Foundation, researching and developing electroacoustic systems for musical performance, he was associated with Level Control Systems during its formative years. Zvonar is the founder and coordinator the acf/LA technology programs.


MARY LOU NEWMARK is a composer, performer, poet, music teacher and lecturer. Her compositions encompass a wide range of styles and techniques, with a particular emphasis on electronic music. She holds a Bachelor of Music degree from Southern Methodist University and a Master of Music degree from the USC (both in violin performance) and a Masters degree in composition from the UCLA. Ms. Newmark performs in concert and gives lecture/demonstrations of her music throughout the United States. She has received many awards including a 1999 and 2000 ASCAP Award, a Mu Phi Epsilon Grant, and recognition in the Luigi Russolo Competition for electronic music. In 2002, Ms. Newmark completed a residency at the Atlantic Center for the Arts in Florida working with composer Steve Mackey and the Talujon Percussion Quartet, and was commissioned by the Montpelier Chamber Orchestra to write an electric violin concerto performed by her and the ensemble in Vermont, March of 2003.


TOM HEASLEY is an internationally acclaimed composer, performer, improviser and recording artist whose compositions for electroacoustic tuba create "a rich and sonorous aural experience that flies in the face of all the dumb cliches about what tuba music is." Mr. Heasley's music is available on two recent CDs - Where the Earth Meets the Sky (Hypnos) and On the Sensations of Tone (Innova). His music has been featured on National Public Radio, BBC Radio 3, Public Radio International, John Schaefer's New Sounds on WNYC, and many other radio programs. In 2002 Heasley was awarded an Artist Fellowship in Music Composition by Arts Council Silicon Valley. His work has also been supported by the National Endowment for the Arts, the American Composers Forum and the McKnight Foundation.  Mr. Heasley has performed, recorded or otherwise collaborated with a variety of artists, including Bobby Bradford, Eugene Chadbourne, The Berkeley Symphony, Alvin Curran, Stuart Dempster, Charlie Haden, Pauline Oliveros, The Merce Cunningham Dance Company, and many others.

J T COKER is a self educated percussionist with a primary interest in knowing the essence of playing (not working at) music. He started on electric bass, then guitar - R n' B, Rock n' Roll, C&W, Pop, folk, and jazz, then quit playing for a living to live for playing - to explore music, for its own sake. Took up hand percussionm, drum set, and shakuhachi. His primary current interest is in playing totally free music in the duo Natural Music with electric guitarist Ed Nunnery.


--

>------| || ||| ||||| |||||||| ||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||------<

  acf/LA Technology Salons - fashioning possibilities for future music

>------|||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||| |||||||| ||||| ||| || |------<


        Need more info?:  (562) 464-6644 or <teXalon@composers.la>
--============_-1157009274==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 19:26:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h58NPbR05886; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:25:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:25:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: MIDI looping (again) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:26:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c32e15$647fe4c0$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Eat your greens!" :D - Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 5:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI looping (again) My whole life would change if I got a Kyma. My loops would be better. My son would eat his vegetables... ;-) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 22:10:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5928rp28077; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030609020852.8603.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3eOv5D.A.l2G.1w-4-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey loopers, i have an opportunity tomorrow to score the Line6 echo pro for a great price. i've been planning on getting a DL4; should I get the echo pro instead if I can get it for the same price?? what's the difference between the two units? I know the echo pro has longer looping time (which i really don't need) and MIDI sync-ing. I like the MIDI sync feature, but I've heard it's not perfect. is it good enough to make dub-style tempo-based delay lines? does the echo pro have any additional delay presets? are there any other differences between the two units? i really like the portability of the DL4-- if they are the same price for me, is the MIDI / other features of the echo pro enough to counteract the size? thanks for the advice as always!! dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 23:43:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h593g8607783; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030609034202.46118.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Cc: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20030609020852.8603.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5Ez2OB.A.f5B.QIA5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- dylan wrote: > hey loopers, > > i have an opportunity tomorrow to score the Line6 > echo pro > for a great price. i've been planning on getting a > DL4; > should I get the echo pro instead if I can get it > for the > same price?? what's the difference between the two > units? I wouldn't buy the Echo Pro based on its midi sync capabilities. It will not sync in loop mode &, from what I hear, syncs badly in delay mode. The selling point for the Echo Pro would be the extended loop time & the ability to store up to 99 delay presets. You can only store 3 on the DL4. The selling point for the DL-4 would be its compact- ness. The only thing you might need to add is an expression pedal. With the Echo Pro, I believe you would need a midi pedalboard for even the simplest operations. I think you'll have fun with either one you get. I have a DL-4, but would probably buy the Echo Pro if I were shopping today. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 23:45:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h593i2i08145; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:44:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:44:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 20:43:59 -0700 Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030609020852.8603.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The MIDI sync on the echoes seems to work. At least it syncs successfully to my Handsonic in my fairly limited tests. There is no MIDI sync on the looper. The Echo Pro has one additional model (the Binson Echorec). The Echo Pro has something like 99 presets instead of 3. On the other hand, the DL4 includes (is) a convenient foot controller. With the Echo Pro, that costs extra. For me, MIDI sync for the echoes is worth it, but that's because I like tempo-synced delays. Mark on 6/8/03 7:08 PM, dylan at dylanhassinger@yahoo.com wrote: > I know the echo pro has longer looping time (which i really > don't need) and MIDI sync-ing. I like the MIDI sync > feature, but I've heard it's not perfect. is it good enough > to make dub-style tempo-based delay lines? does the echo > pro have any additional delay presets? are there any other > differences between the two units? > > i really like the portability of the DL4-- if they are the > same price for me, is the MIDI / other features of the echo > pro enough to counteract the size? > > thanks for the advice as always!! > > dylan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 8 23:46:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h593jXc08438; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:45:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:45:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030609034532.96966.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030609034202.46118.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5Y_4a.A.tDC.dLA5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Echo Pro also has an extra model that isn't on the DL4 I believe - ECHO PLATTER - I think it's a Line 6 creation. --- John Tidwell wrote: > --- dylan wrote: > > hey loopers, > > > > i have an opportunity tomorrow to score the Line6 > > echo pro > > for a great price. i've been planning on getting a > > DL4; > > should I get the echo pro instead if I can get it > > for the > > same price?? what's the difference between the two > > units? > > I wouldn't buy the Echo Pro based on its midi sync > capabilities. It will not sync in loop mode &, from > what I hear, syncs badly in delay mode. The selling > point for the Echo Pro would be the extended loop > time & the ability to store up to 99 delay presets. > You can only store 3 on the DL4. > > The selling point for the DL-4 would be its compact- > ness. The only thing you might need to add is an > expression pedal. With the Echo Pro, I believe you > would need a midi pedalboard for even the simplest > operations. > > I think you'll have fun with either one you get. > I have a DL-4, but would probably buy the Echo Pro > if I were shopping today. > > John > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 00:58:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h594uuS15350; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 00:56:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 00:56:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030609045655.50871.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030609034532.96966.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It happens to be one of my favorite all time delay sounds. I've never heard it anywhere else, except during the old films they showed us in grade school. It sounds exactly like a the audio track of a cheap film slipping and sliding along the play-heads of an institutional film projector. Aside from what everyone else is mentioning, this sound, to me, makes the Echo Pro worth it. The thing is, though, if you don't have a rack, it wouldn't be convenient to add a rack item to your rig, unless, of course, you believe "you have to start sometime." --- Squid Loop wrote: > The Echo Pro also has an extra model that isn't on > the > DL4 I believe - ECHO PLATTER - I think it's a Line 6 > creation. > > > --- John Tidwell wrote: > > --- dylan wrote: > > > hey loopers, > > > > > > i have an opportunity tomorrow to score the > Line6 > > > echo pro > > > for a great price. i've been planning on getting > a > > > DL4; > > > should I get the echo pro instead if I can get > it > > > for the > > > same price?? what's the difference between the > two > > > units? > > > > I wouldn't buy the Echo Pro based on its midi sync > > capabilities. It will not sync in loop mode &, > from > > what I hear, syncs badly in delay mode. The > selling > > point for the Echo Pro would be the extended loop > > time & the ability to store up to 99 delay > presets. > > You can only store 3 on the DL4. > > > > The selling point for the DL-4 would be its > compact- > > ness. The only thing you might need to add is an > > expression pedal. With the Echo Pro, I believe you > > would need a midi pedalboard for even the simplest > > operations. > > > > I think you'll have fun with either one you get. > > I have a DL-4, but would probably buy the Echo Pro > > if I were shopping today. > > > > John > > > > > > > > ===== > > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync > to > > Outlook(TM). > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 02:17:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h596FtD19950; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 02:15:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 02:15:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:15:53 -0700 Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030609034202.46118.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 08:42 PM, John Tidwell wrote: > It will not sync in loop mode &, from > what I hear, syncs badly in delay mode. I just used on all day and didn't have any issue getting it to sync to MIDI clock from my Mac via a MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, or my Roland MC-307's clock. Sure, the loops don't sync but it would be fine for a dub style bass line. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 02:47:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h596kmH22199; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 02:46:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 02:46:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030609064642.80710.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:46:42 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, Weren't you having sync problems at some point? I recall a lot of complaints about this a while back. John --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 08:42 PM, John Tidwell > wrote: > > > It will not sync in loop mode &, from > > what I hear, syncs badly in delay mode. > > I just used on all day and didn't have any issue > getting it to sync to > MIDI clock from my Mac via a MOTU Fastlane MIDI > interface, or my Roland > MC-307's clock. Sure, the loops don't sync but it > would be fine for a > dub style bass line. > > Mark Sottilaro > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 08:10:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h59C9Tm25065; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c32e7f$f9fbaa10$2fda4843@your6eqrfth4nu> From: "aurlite" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030607145241.007cc750@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: virtual buttons Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:09:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cara, Thank you for your suggestions. I finally had a moment of clarity on the programming of this thing and all is well. My EDP just became a more amazing machine! Better looping thru MIDI !!!! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: Re: virtual buttons > Jim, can you detail a bit of how you're working at it now? > -A couple things to check are that the midi channel is the same between > the two, and that you're adding the correct midi offsets to the values > listed in the manual. In other words, if your midi offset is set to 36 in > the Echoplex, then a note number of 1, would actually need to be sent as > note number 37 from the FCB. Does this make sense? -Hope this helps... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 09:05 AM 6/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > > Hello fellow loopers, I have an EDP with loop 4 software. I am trying > >to figure out how to access the virtual buttons for operation via a > >berringer FCB1010 midi controller. So far I havn't had any luck getting > >the two devices to work together. The info in the manuals appears to be > >easy to understand but I still have not had any luck getting this to > >operate. If anyone out there can help me a suggestion or two that would be > >great. Thank You Jim aurlite@prodigy.net > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 08:12:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h59CBhc25364; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:11:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:11:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c32e80$4a1f9060$2fda4843@your6eqrfth4nu> From: "aurlite" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030607095641.029e9a38@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: virtual buttons Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:11:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, Got it. I just love this thing. A wall of these would be nice. Thanks! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: Re: virtual buttons > At 07:05 AM 6/7/2003, aurlite wrote: > >I have an EDP with loop 4 software. I am trying to figure out how to > >access the virtual buttons for operation via a berringer FCB1010 midi > >controller. So far I havn't had any luck getting the two devices to work > >together. The info in the manuals appears to be easy to understand but I > >still have not had any luck getting this to operate. If anyone out there > >can help me a suggestion or two that would be great. > > make sure you use midi note messages from the FCB. It won't work for the > echoplex using cc messages. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 11:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h59FMgr09871; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:22:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:22:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EE4A6DC.301A70AB@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:25:16 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , digitalhell Subject: FS: Yamaha SPX90 - $40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FS: Yamaha SPX90 - classic stereo multi-effects processor. Non-working, As Is. I bought this this weekend. The seller swore it worked fine but when I got it home I discovered it doesn't power up. C'est la deal : ( It's physically in great shape. The face, buttons, jacks, etc all look fine. Alas, I'm not a tech and I have too much to deal with right now to bother so my loss is your gain. I'm selling it AS IS for what I paid $40 plus shipping (or pick up in Phila PA). I did some research and discovered there is a bit of a cult around this unit. Last prices on Ebay units went for $165-$250 so with a modest repair fee you could still be in business with a bargain. if you feel lucky you could try it yourself if you're a tech. There is no sign of anything wrong it just won't turn on. Comes with a copy of the manual and I will pack well for free. Buyer pays actual shipping costs. I can take Paypal or USPS MO. For full information on this creature check out this web page: http://www.dancetech.com/aa_dt_new/hardware/item.cfm?threadid=535&lang=0 It's a pretty amazing unit with midi in/out, level trim, and stereo 1/4" outputs. If it doesn't sell in a day or so it's off to Eb*y so please no offers, $40 is pretty cheap even non-working which is why I took a chance on it in the first place. References out the wazoo, please send your phone # to speed things up. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 12:03:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h59G17K13955; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:01:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:01:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE - live looping device To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:01:09 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06/09/2003 12:01:11 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very intersting...thanks! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 13:30:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h59HTDb22688; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:29:05 -0700 Subject: Re: FS: Yamaha SPX90 - $40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EE4A6DC.301A70AB@HelpWantedProductions.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wouldn't you return it? Also, I'm not sure about the SPX90 but I had a Digitech DSP128 that was acting weird and it only needed a new battery. If it's dead a look it it's fuse and or batter situation might be worth your time. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 08:25 AM, legion@HelpWantedProductions.com wrote: > FS: Yamaha SPX90 - classic stereo multi-effects processor. Non-working, > As Is. > > I bought this this weekend. The seller swore it worked fine but when I > got it home I discovered it doesn't power up. C'est la deal : ( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 14:52:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h59IoAB30236; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: What does "MIDI" mean in the EDP IV display? Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:49:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c32eb7$e639b3e0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <003201c32e80$4a1f9060$2fda4843@your6eqrfth4nu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7MbUMC.A.QYH.hbN5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I assume it means Midi overload. Couldn't find it in the manual. The EDP shows it is receiving clock, and I'm not recording, but after 20 to 30 seconds the display shows "MIDI", functions are locked up, and I have to go into Parameter edits to clear. I'm trying to troubleshoot a complex midi patchbay setup where I'm sending from one Unitor 8 patchbay (#8 out) to a MTP II (#8 in). Help appreciated. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 16:18:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h59KG0R06736; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:16:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:16:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:15:58 -0700 Subject: Groove Time Loop CD info! From: Rick Latham To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1L2ecD.A.IpB.AsO5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Thanks for your email concerning my Groove Time Loop CD. It's a great package and I'm sure you will find it very useful. You can use it with any hard disk digital audio software or stand alone sampler. Software such as Pro Tools, Logic Audio,Digital Performer, Cubase, Acid, etc. The CDs are audio files so you can record them with any type of recording software or hardware (Roland, Korg, Ensoniq, EMU etc.) You can also hear some samples of the loops on my site at http://www.ricklatham.com/cd.htm and you can hear some examples of the loops in Acid at: http://www.ricklatham.com/acid.html I hope this answers some questions for you. Don't forget you can order on line with a credit card. All the best, Rick http://www.ricklatham.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 16:53:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h59KpTs10624; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:51:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:51:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:54:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Groove Time Loop CD info! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7FE8423E-9ABC-11D7-B827-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <5-Cl2C.A.4lC.QNP5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey rick i didn't know you were on Loopers' Delight! a drummer in my band has your book. he likes your funk licks alot. what kind of looping tools are you using? i love track 27, disc I of your groove time cd. it's so funky! boom bada TCHACK bada BOM BOOM TCHACK. my friend Jim Schweigert used it on his smooth jazz disc. he's on mp3.com if you want to hear it. On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 03:15 PM, Rick Latham wrote: > Thanks for your email concerning my Groove Time Loop CD. It's a great > package and I'm sure you will find it very useful. > > You can use it with any hard disk digital audio software or stand alone > sampler. > > Software such as Pro Tools, Logic Audio,Digital Performer, Cubase, > Acid, > etc. > > The CDs are audio files so you can record them with any type of > recording > software or hardware (Roland, Korg, Ensoniq, EMU etc.) > > You can also hear some samples of the loops on my site at > http://www.ricklatham.com/cd.htm and you can hear some examples of the > loops > in Acid at: > http://www.ricklatham.com/acid.html > > I hope this answers some questions for you. > > Don't forget you can order on line with a credit card. > > All the best, > > Rick > http://www.ricklatham.com --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 17:47:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h59Lk2418084; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:46:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:43:55 -0400 Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EE05532.2879@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3138025435_200704_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3138025435_200704_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'd be happy to contribute a track. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com on 6/6/03 4:47 AM, scott kungha drengsen at kungha@Earthlink.net wrote: It seems to me there are enough bassists on this list to make a nice multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in hearing everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable product) But,as a new dad, I would need some help coordinating,mastering, burning etc. Anyone interested...... --MS_Mac_OE_3138025435_200704_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: looping bassists unite! I'd be happy to contribute a track.

dan


--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com




on 6/6/03 4:47 AM, scott kungha drengsen at kungha@Earthlink.net wrote:

It seems to me there are enough bassists on this list to make a= nice
multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in hearing
everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable product) But,as a new dad, I would need some help coordinating,mastering, burning etc.
Anyone interested......


--MS_Mac_OE_3138025435_200704_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 19:37:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h59NZlE01287; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:35:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200306092335.h59NZgn14544@mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:43:16 +0800 Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! From: "Cameron Street" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3138082996_43486_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3138082996_43486_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yeah, i may have a track aswell, who do we send it to? and where? I'd really like to hear everyones sounds. on a cd, would be very cool indeed. cam ---------- From: Dan Soltzberg To: Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! Date: Tue, Jun 10, 2003, 5:43 AM I'd be happy to contribute a track. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com on 6/6/03 4:47 AM, scott kungha drengsen at kungha@Earthlink.net wrote: It seems to me there are enough bassists on this list to make a nice multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in hearing everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable product) But,as a new dad, I would need some help coordinating,mastering, burning etc. Anyone interested...... --MS_Mac_OE_3138082996_43486_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: looping bassists unite! Yeah, i may have a track aswell, who do we send it to?
and where?
I'd really like to hear everyones sounds. on a cd, would be very cool indee= d.
cam

----------
From: Dan Soltzberg <d.ans@rcn.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: looping bassists unite!
Date: Tue, Jun 10, 2003, 5:43 AM


I'd be happy to contribute a track.

dan


--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com




on 6/6/03 4:47 AM, scott kungha drengsen at kungha= @Earthlink.net wrote:

It seems to me there are enough bassists on this list to make a= nice
multifacited sample CD. I'd be really interested in hearing
everyone.(and maybe ending up with a sellable product) But,as a new dad, I would need some help coordinating,mastering, burning etc.
Anyone interested......



--MS_Mac_OE_3138082996_43486_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 20:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A04MW05513; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:04:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:04:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c32ee3$d4cf11a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE - live looping device Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:03:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're welcome. I had hoped that the post would generate more discussion about uisng Ableton LIVE for live looping. We'll see. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE - live looping device > > Very intersting...thanks! > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 21:28:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A1RFZ17707; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:27:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:27:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Ableton LIVE - live looping device Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:26:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c32eef$5dffc310$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005e01c32ee3$d4cf11a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You've gone way deeper into it than me, it'll take some time to digest what you've written. Thanks for the tips. Lots to cogitate. Feedback may take time. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE - live looping device You're welcome. I had hoped that the post would generate more discussion about uisng Ableton LIVE for live looping. We'll see. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE - live looping device > > Very intersting...thanks! > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 21:34:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A1XvZ18999; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:33:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000101c32eb7$e639b3e0$6401a8c0@neil> References: <000101c32eb7$e639b3e0$6401a8c0@neil> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:34:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: What does "MIDI" mean in the EDP IV display? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7n2EdC.A.uoE.EWT5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I assume it means Midi overload. Couldn't find it in the manual. correct! > >The EDP shows it is receiving clock, and I'm not recording, but after 20 >to 30 seconds the display shows "MIDI", functions are locked up, and I >have to go into Parameter edits to clear. and then it does not go to MIDI any more? Some machines send a burst of MIDI commands when started up, could that be it? > >I'm trying to troubleshoot a complex midi patchbay setup where I'm >sending from one Unitor 8 patchbay (#8 out) to a MTP II (#8 in). > >Help appreciated. > >Neil -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 21:55:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A1sDJ22239; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: What does "MIDI" mean in the EDP IV display? Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c32ef3$51c98dc0$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The EDP shows it is receiving clock, and I'm not recording, but after 20 >to 30 seconds the display shows "MIDI", functions are locked up, and I >have to go into Parameter edits to clear. My $0.02 (USD)... Could you have a MIDI feedback path? Perhaps the messages are continually accumulating resulting in overload after 20-30 seconds. Do you have some sort of MIDI monitor program to inspect the messages? I use MIDI-OX (www.midiox.com) and find it very useful but then I'm PC based. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 9 22:40:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A2dV829095; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:39:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:39:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 19:38:59 -0700 Subject: good places to play loops in NYC? From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello most lovely loopers, I'm going to be in NYC for all of July. Since I'm there, I'd like perform my looping stuff if possible but I've only played medium to large rock clubs in NY! Does anyone know of anything equivalent to SF's Luggage Store Gallery or the like? thanks much, z From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 00:41:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A4eAZ11629; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:40:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:40:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030610044009.48116.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: echoplex, loop IV, and the PMC10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I am new to the list. I use an echoplex pro with loop IV and a PMC10. I just got the PMC10 and am learning to program it to use with the echoplex. It seems to be ideally suited for this and I bought it on Kims recommendation, and with the help of some of the people here I have learned to program it. I have checked out many of the loopers profiles and listened to the real audio files for the second loopers CD, and went to several of the players websites to hear more of their music when available. I have been looping for some time. My first album of looping came out in 1985 called Entering The Silence. I was working with Robert Fripp at the time and got interested in looping from hearing him do it. I had actually heard Steve Reich, Terry Riley, and Phillip Glass do looping sounding music that interested me before I heard Fripp. I just hadn't tried it on the guitar yet. You can hear some of my things here if you are interested: http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=1509 I have contacted a few of the people on this list privately and they have been very helpful so I decided to join the list for a while. I will put together some questions and post them to the list in a seperate post. All the very best! Terry http://home.cinci.rr.com/terryblankenship/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 01:04:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A53uq13857; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:03:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030610050355.84886.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: echoplex, loop IV, PMC10, questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1. What is the best kind of pedal to use with the PMC10 to control the feedback function, and the volume function in the echoplex. 2. The echoplex works differently depending on how you have the preset set up. What preset or presets do each of you use? How do you personally set these functions? record mode overdub mode round mode insert mode mute mode over flow loop/delay quantize 8ths/cycle sync threshold reverse start point more loops auto record loop copy switch quant looping # velocity sampler style midi ch control source source vol control feedback control I know that all of these setting are personal preferences, but that is what I am asking. How do each of you prefer to set up these parameters in your echoplex? 4. Also do you set up one preset with all of you favourite settings or do you set up sereral with different settings and switch between them. 5. If you set up several presets, why. How do you set each of them up? 6. Can you use the regular echoplex pedal and the PMC10 at the same time? 7. Can you use two PMC10's at the same time to control one echoplex? 8. How do you prefer to set up your echoplex when using with a drum machine? In what order and using which sync settings? 9. Do you always set up your programs in the PMC10 starting with a program change so you can access the preset you want in the echoplex? 10. Do you prefer to have more loops set up to auto record when you inter them, or not, and why? 11. How many different banks do you use on your midi controller to access echoplex functions. 12. What are you favourite echoplex functions and why? 13. How many loops do you set your echoplex up to be able to do and why? 14. Who are your favourite loopers and why? All the very best! Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 03:02:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A70m621899; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EE5121F.1167@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:04:09 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well everyone,This is REALLY exciting!! I think this will be one of the most varied,musical and explorative Bass records ever made.(and thats just the people I have a passing familiarity with)I'm looking forward to hearing everyone!! So far we have.. 1.Max Valentino 2.Dan Soltzberg 3.Alex Stahl 4.Rick Walker-If anyone desrves to be an honorary member of the Brotherhood of the Bass- its Rick. 5.Cameron Street 6.Duncan Goddard 7.Jesse Ray Lucas 8.Myself 9.David Talento has offered a track,his label,duplication services and online distribution(he also did Loopers Delight CD #1) A few people have offered to Master.So,I guese it will come down to who WANTS to do it the most.As things reach the next stage we'll be sending our work to whoever that is. So we have Music, Mastering, Duplication and Distribution all coming in over the weekend.. With some artwork this project would come to fruition.. I'd really like it if Steve Lawson(we can arm wrestle over who gets to do the Kajagoogoo cover:) And the 9tring player in Montana(?) would contribute...And,Stig where are you??...And, if I've forgotten anyone please E-mail me again. I'd like to keep it open to anyone who considers themself a bassist and looper.I think there are enough Stick players,however,to make there own CD and I'd like to encourage them to do so.. My original intent was just to hear other players and share my work so it's inspiring how quickly this has taken form and to see what a quality product it will be.I'm also curious to see if it will become a vehicle for furthering our individual and collective work. PEACE Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 03:05:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A74o422357; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:04:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:04:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030610011103.00b19100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:11:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: echoplex, loop IV, PMC10, questions In-Reply-To: <20030610050355.84886.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry, nice to have you with us. I'll respond below, K? If you'd like, you can hear a bit of what I'm currently doing with the plex by visiting my website at: http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates -and listening to an improv piece called Naked Blues, on the music page. Have a great evening... Smiles, Cara At 10:03 PM 6/9/03 -0700, you wrote: >1. What is the best kind of pedal to use with the >PMC10 to control the feedback function, and the volume >function in the echoplex. > >2. The echoplex works differently depending on how you >have the preset set up. What preset or presets do each >of you use? How do you personally set these functions? > >record mode I commonly use sus record, but also sometimes record directly into a loop location via midi. >overdub mode Usually use this mode normally, but occasionally use sus overdub. >round mode This varies since I'm playing the EDP via midi. >insert mode This also varies alot. I tend to use alot of sus replace, sus insert, stutter, reverse, and sus togglespeed all via midi. >mute mode I rarely use this, but when I do, it's in a very basic sense. >over flow > >loop/delay I always have it set to loop. >quantize I rarely use quantization, but when I do, it is set to eighth, with values of 32 or 64. >8ths/cycle see above. >sync >threshold >reverse I mostly use it as a toggled setting, but occasionally use it as a sus setting. >start point I have this set up via midi to be reset and/or triggered on the fly. > >more loops I currently tend to work with three loops, but may also go up to four. >auto record on >loop copy off >switch quant mostly off (see below) >looping # >velocity >sampler style start > >midi ch 1 >control source >source >vol control output is at max for my set-up. >feedback control max > >I know that all of these setting are personal >preferences, but that is what I am asking. How do each >of you prefer to set up these parameters in your >echoplex? > >4. Also do you set up one preset with all of you >favourite settings or do you set up sereral with >different settings and switch between them. I set up several. > >5. If you set up several presets, why. -because I'm so damned picky and want EVERYTHING!!! lol! so, to have that, I need to set up a bunch of presets I can switch between to enable all of the functions I want when I want them... How do you set >each of them up? Well, I've gone into it a little bit above, but in essence, I have a couple of presets with different eighth values, a preset with stutter mode enabled, One without, and another one with a different switch quant setting, so I'll be able to selectively copy loops on the fly. > >6. Can you use the regular echoplex pedal and the >PMC10 at the same time? > >7. Can you use two PMC10's at the same time to control >one echoplex? > >8. How do you prefer to set up your echoplex when >using with a drum machine? In what order and using >which sync settings? I prefer to have the plex receive clock from the drum machine, and simply use the drum machine as a sync source, but use the plex completely by itself for the most part at the moment. > >9. Do you always set up your programs in the PMC10 >starting with a program change so you can access the >preset you want in the echoplex? > >10. Do you prefer to have more loops set up to auto >record when you inter them, or not, and why? I like to play and record new material seamlessly, without pressing record. > >11. How many different banks do you use on your midi >controller to access echoplex functions. I currently use four banks and have an FCB-1010. > >12. What are you favourite echoplex functions and why? SUS UNROUNDED MULTIPLY!!! -sus replace, sus record, and sus unrounded insert. I really love the sus unrounded multiply function a whole lot, simply because it allows me to dynamically alter loop length, as well as overdub simultaneously. So, to me it gives the EDP a very organic and musical feel. I also really enjoy glitching out loops and creating rhythms using the sus replace function. I not only use sus record as my main method of recording loops, but will also create realtime stutter effects using it while playing a line. I use sus unrounded insert mostly to create very strange granular loops after an unrounded multiply, or sus record. > >13. How many loops do you set your echoplex up to be >able to do and why? As I mentioned above, I have mine set to three at the moment, but also sometimes go with four. I like to have at least three, to allow for a song structure, with an A part, B part, and C part. > >14. Who are your favourite loopers and why? Andre LaFosse, -because he's cute, cuddly, a wonderful human being, and a totally bitchin' MOFO! on the plex! David Torn, because he plays beautiful loops and he likes caffeine alot, and so do I... Amy X, as she's a super intense performer, and perfectly and flawlessly executes her craft and is a very nice person. Rick Walker and Steve Lawson, -Rick is a hellaciously good drummer, and Steve a phenominal bassist. -and they're both total Sweethearts... I also like What I've heard of Tom Heisley's work. I hope I've at least come close to the right spelling of his name! lol! Anyway, these are only a few very talented people. I could go on... -Hope this makes some sense and helps give you an idea of how I work with the plex. Have a great evening... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 03:14:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A7D1J22937; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:13:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:13:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030610071300.87974.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:13:00 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: thanks for the echo pro info To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey thanks everybody for the echo pro / DL4 info and suggestions. i made the decision to jump for the echo pro. you guys rock! d __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 03:29:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A7SgV23958; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:28:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:28:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <044201c32f22$2ed04320$642bae40@kinesys1> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <3EE5121F.1167@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:30:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> And, if I've forgotten anyone please e-mail me >> again. I'd like to keep it open to anyone who considers >> themself a bassist and looper. Is this for "solo" looping bassists, or for bassists who use looping in a setting with other musicians? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 03:38:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A7aX824723; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:36:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:36:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EE5121F.1167@earthlink.net> References: <3EE5121F.1167@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:36:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -2 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Well everyone,This is REALLY exciting!! I think this will be one of the >most varied,musical and explorative Bass records ever made.(and thats >just the people I have a passing familiarity with)I'm looking forward to >hearing everyone!! >So far we have.. >1.Max Valentino >2.Dan Soltzberg >3.Alex Stahl >4.Rick Walker-If anyone desrves to be an honorary member of the >Brotherhood of the Bass- its Rick. >5.Cameron Street >6.Duncan Goddard >7.Jesse Ray Lucas >8.Myself >9.David Talento has offered a track,his label,duplication services and >online distribution(he also did Loopers Delight CD #1) > A few people have offered to Master.So,I guese it will come down to who >WANTS to do it the most.As things reach the next stage we'll be sending >our work to whoever that is. So we have Music, Mastering, Duplication >and Distribution all coming in over the weekend.. With some artwork this >project would come to fruition.. > I'd really like it if Steve Lawson(we can arm wrestle over who gets to >do the Kajagoogoo cover:) And the 9tring player in Montana(?) would >contribute...And,Stig where are you??...And, if I've forgotten anyone >please E-mail me again. I'd like to keep it open to anyone who considers >themself a bassist and looper.I think there are enough Stick >players,however,to make there own CD and I'd like to encourage them to >do so.. > My original intent was just to hear other players and share my work so >it's inspiring how quickly this has taken form and to see what a quality >product it will be.I'm also curious to see if it will become a vehicle >for furthering our individual and collective work. >PEACE >Scott I'd love to contribute a track! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 06:40:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AAdHq06407; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:39:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:39:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <15f.218cd00a.2c170f50@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:39:12 EDT Subject: Terry's EDP quiz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2. The echoplex works differently depending on how you have the preset set up. What preset or presets do each of you use? How do you personally set these functions? record mode=tog overdub mode=tog round mode=rnd, so you can end the multiply anywhere in the cycle, but still overdub to the end of the (rounded) cycle insert mode=varies, usually rPL, but rEv with FC7 mute mode=sta, loop starts from beginning leaving mute over flow=ply, loop/delay=lop or change for special FX quantize=off (except for special FX) 8ths/cycle=8 ( change when Quantize=8th sync= Out , for BrotherSync 2 EDPs threshold= off reverse= not a param! I use this to reverse just the slave EDP start point= not a param! more loops=2 is easiest auto record=off loop copy=off switch quant=Cnf, the most flexible option, can choose to play other loop or overwrite. looping #=default velocity=off sampler style=sta, loop starts from beginning when switching to it midi ch=2, control source=not , for FCB1010 source=default vol control=default feedback control=default I know that all of these setting are personal preferences, but that is what I am asking. How do each of you prefer to set up these parameters in your echoplex? I never sync to drum machine, so all my timing is "on the fly", which explains while some of my personal "base" settings are not the default. 4. Also do you set up one preset with all of you favourite settings or do you set up sereral with different settings and switch between them. I have one preset i use most of the time, and set up others for specific pieces(and switch). 5. If you set up several presets, why. How do you set each of them up? a particular FX, or a piece of music usually needs a combination of preset changes, so easier to change preset than a lot of params. 6. Can you use the regular echoplex pedal and the PMC10 at the same time? yes, and you need the regular pedal for some features 8. How do you prefer to set up your echoplex when using with a drum machine? In what order and using which sync settings? don't use 9. Do you always set up your programs in the PMC10 starting with a program change so you can access the preset you want in the echoplex? interesting idea 10. Do you prefer to have more loops set up to auto record when you inter them, or not, and why? not usually, because I have SwitchQuant=cnf, so there's no advantage. these are interesting with SwitcQuant=Off 11. How many different banks do you use on your midi controller to access echoplex functions. at the moment one. One switch one function is easy for live work. ...but I'm working on special banks for loop manipulation 12. What are you favourite echoplex functions and why? going to NextLoop with a Long press of Mult, and having the section of loop reverse straight away. (don't know why, it just is) 13. How many loops do you set your echoplex up to be able to do and why? 2 so it's easy to get back to the first loop 14. Who are your favourite loopers and why? have to think about that one, wouldn't want to miss anyone out ;-) non-LD loopers to be going on with ...Stephan Kellar, amazing variety of sounds from a flute, and clever/varied use of loops ...Dave Draper, (aka "The Invisible String Quartet"), don't know if he's even still looping. Great musical feel and odd use of technology All the very best! Terry thanks Terry, looking forward to the other answers that crop up andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 06:58:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AAvBQ07952; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:57:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EE5BC5A.65BDEDFB@erols.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:09:14 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Beat Sync on EDP to DD-5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Can you use the Beat Sync on an EDP to send the tempo to a Boss DD-5 delay pedal for timed delays? I just got the EDP. I normally use an FS-5U to tap in delay times for the DD-5. Would the output of the beat sync act in the same way as an FS-5U? It would be great to have the DD-5's timed delays sync up with a loop in the EDP. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 07:36:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ABZmS10685; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:35:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:35:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c32f44$3adab840$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "scott kungha drengsen" , References: <3EE5121F.1167@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:51:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0Dv86C.A.0mC.UKc5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott kungha drengsen" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:04 AM Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! > Well everyone,This is REALLY exciting!! I think this will be one of the > most varied,musical and explorative Bass records ever made.(and thats > just the people I have a passing familiarity with)I'm looking forward to > hearing everyone!! > So far we have.. > 1.Max Valentino > 2.Dan Soltzberg > 3.Alex Stahl > 4.Rick Walker-If anyone desrves to be an honorary member of the > Brotherhood of the Bass- its Rick. > 5.Cameron Street > 6.Duncan Goddard > 7.Jesse Ray Lucas > 8.Myself > 9.David Talento has offered a track,his label,duplication services and > online distribution(he also did Loopers Delight CD #1) > A few people have offered to Master.So,I guese it will come down to who > WANTS to do it the most.As things reach the next stage we'll be sending > our work to whoever that is. So we have Music, Mastering, Duplication > and Distribution all coming in over the weekend.. With some artwork this > project would come to fruition.. > I'd really like it if Steve Lawson(we can arm wrestle over who gets to > do the Kajagoogoo cover:) And the 9tring player in Montana(?) would > contribute...And,Stig where are you??...And, if I've forgotten anyone > please E-mail me again. I'd like to keep it open to anyone who considers > themself a bassist and looper.I think there are enough Stick > players,however,to make there own CD and I'd like to encourage them to > do so.. > My original intent was just to hear other players and share my work so > it's inspiring how quickly this has taken form and to see what a quality > product it will be.I'm also curious to see if it will become a vehicle > for furthering our individual and collective work. > PEACE > Scott > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 07:53:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ABoDm12051; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:50:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:50:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c32f46$4bc4c9f0$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: Groove Time Loop CD info! Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:49:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rick not really innovative neither "Live looping" aproved but they sound like 100% spam Claude > Hi, > > Thanks for your email concerning my Groove Time Loop CD. It's a great > package and I'm sure you will find it very useful. > > You can use it with any hard disk digital audio software or stand alone > sampler. > > Software such as Pro Tools, Logic Audio,Digital Performer, Cubase, Acid, > etc. > > The CDs are audio files so you can record them with any type of recording > software or hardware (Roland, Korg, Ensoniq, EMU etc.) > > You can also hear some samples of the loops on my site at > http://www.ricklatham.com/cd.htm and you can hear some examples of the loops > in Acid at: > http://www.ricklatham.com/acid.html > > I hope this answers some questions for you. > > Don't forget you can order on line with a credit card. > > All the best, > > Rick > http://www.ricklatham.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 08:18:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ACH6O13862; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:17:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C99EB60AB44B44B901B6F0678BE27C013B65ED@fdcem001> From: Baldwin Tim To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: FW: Manual problem - Roland SPD 6 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:16:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi guys, > > I've got a Roland SPD6 but no manual, and need to know how to make > connections and settings to play an Akai S2000, which I want to use in an > orchestra pit, mainly for timp. effects. > > I've tried all the search engines I know, and have so far concluded that > Roland don't publish manuals on the web. > > Do you have any suggestions, or even just a distributor address I could > contact? > > Thank you in anticipation, > > Regards, > > Tim Baldwin ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return it to the address it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from your system. This email message has been swept for computer viruses. ********************************************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 08:45:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ACiq816618; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:44:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:44:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.254] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:43:44 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030610.084411.19832.88240@webmail17.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5d8rpB.A.eDE.ELd5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I would love to contribute, I am a looper, I use a 5 string bass but I also loop midi bass from my handsonic and gr33. My GNX3 has a bass patch that I've looped as well. I've recorded a few bass pieces and would love to do more! Thanks, Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 10:05:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AE3lj23603; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:03:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:03:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:03:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Groove Time Loop CD info! From: Rick Latham To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006701c32f46$4bc4c9f0$0100a8c0@black> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, Thanks Claude, I've had great luck with it and a lot of folks have used it on their tracks over the past few years Just trying to pass along some helpful info. Best, Rick http://www.ricklatham.com/cd.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 11:28:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AFQ6L30530; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:26:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:26:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:25:55 EDT Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a4.387256f4.2c175283_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a4.387256f4.2c175283_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i would love to contribute! Regards, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.9andZen.com www.BEEbasses.com --part1_a4.387256f4.2c175283_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i would love to contribute!

Regards,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.9andZen.com
www.BEEbasses.com --part1_a4.387256f4.2c175283_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 11:30:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AFSpt30927; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:28:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.1fb4e57d.2c175322@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:28:34 EDT Subject: Re: looping bassists unite! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: BEEsignature9@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16e.1fb4e57d.2c175322_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16e.1fb4e57d.2c175322_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/10/2003 1:01:09 AM Mountain Daylight Time, kungha@earthlink.net writes: > And the 9tring player in Montana(?) would > contribute...And,Stig where are you??... LOL thats me! and i can find Stig for you if he's not on here any more... Regards, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.9andZen.com www.BEEbasses.com --part1_16e.1fb4e57d.2c175322_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/10/2003 1:01:09 AM Mountain Dayli= ght Time, kungha@earthlink.net writes:

And the 9tring player in Montan= a(?) would
contribute...And,Stig where are you??...


LOL thats me!

and i can find Stig for you if he's not on here any more...

Regards,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.9andZen.com
www.BEEbasses.com --part1_16e.1fb4e57d.2c175322_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 11:44:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AFgtb32359; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:42:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:42:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:42:04 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Beat Sync on EDP to DD-5 In-reply-to: <3EE5BC5A.65BDEDFB@erols.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <025a01c32f66$d7f62bb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2qfbzB.A.b5H._xf5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check this out. might help: http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200005/msg00394.html?line=35#hilite http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/200005/msg00000.html >... > act in the same way as an FS-5U? It would be great to have > the DD-5's timed delays sync up with a loop in the EDP. > > Thanks, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 12:03:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AG1GQ01896; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:01:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Groove Time Loop CD info! From: Rick Latham To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7FE8423E-9ABC-11D7-B827-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Eric, Thanks for your email Glad to hear you dig my Groove Time CD. I'll check out your friends site and the use of my loops. Groove On, Rick Rick Latham Publishing Company RLP Records Ph: 818-989-0112 Fx: 818-989-0502 http://www.ricklatham.com > From: Eric Williamson > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:54:02 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Groove Time Loop CD info! > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:51:39 -0400 > > hey rick i didn't know you were on Loopers' Delight! > > a drummer in my band has your book. he likes your funk licks alot. > > what kind of looping tools are you using? > > i love track 27, disc I of your groove time cd. it's so funky! boom > bada TCHACK bada BOM BOOM TCHACK. my friend Jim Schweigert used it on > his smooth jazz disc. he's on mp3.com if you want to hear it. > > On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 03:15 PM, Rick Latham wrote: >> Thanks for your email concerning my Groove Time Loop CD. It's a great >> package and I'm sure you will find it very useful. >> >> You can use it with any hard disk digital audio software or stand alone >> sampler. >> >> Software such as Pro Tools, Logic Audio,Digital Performer, Cubase, >> Acid, >> etc. >> >> The CDs are audio files so you can record them with any type of >> recording >> software or hardware (Roland, Korg, Ensoniq, EMU etc.) >> >> You can also hear some samples of the loops on my site at >> http://www.ricklatham.com/cd.htm and you can hear some examples of the >> loops >> in Acid at: >> http://www.ricklatham.com/acid.html >> >> I hope this answers some questions for you. >> >> Don't forget you can order on line with a credit card. >> >> All the best, >> >> Rick >> http://www.ricklatham.com > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 12:37:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AGYLB04846; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:34:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:34:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:34:15 -0700 Subject: Re: FW: Manual problem - Roland SPD 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <39C99EB60AB44B44B901B6F0678BE27C013B65ED@fdcem001> Message-Id: <5FB59EE8-9B61-11D7-9DB0-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <9Al35.A.oLB.Nig5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I've run into this issue before with them. I'm using an SPD-6 myself and from what I can remember it's not very easy to set up. I think of it as a poor man's Handsonic. One of it's big limitations is this: it only transmits on MIDI channel #10. If I remember I'll try to bring it into work and scan it for you. I'm kind of swamped here at work lately, but remind me and I'll get to it. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 05:16 AM, Baldwin Tim wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I've got a Roland SPD6 but no manual, and need to know how to make >> connections and settings to play an Akai S2000, which I want to use >> in an >> orchestra pit, mainly for timp. effects. >> >> I've tried all the search engines I know, and have so far concluded >> that >> Roland don't publish manuals on the web. >> >> Do you have any suggestions, or even just a distributor address I >> could >> contact? >> >> Thank you in anticipation, >> >> Regards, >> >> Tim Baldwin > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. > If you have received this email in error please return it to the > address > it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from > your system. > > This email message has been swept for computer viruses. > > ********************************************************************** > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 13:36:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AHWlu11418; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:32:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:32:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.1630e938.2c177031@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:32:33 EDT Subject: Re: echoplex, loop IV, and the PMC10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19f.1630e938.2c177031_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <9WQp2D.A.SyC._Yh5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19f.1630e938.2c177031_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/10/03 12:40:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, electricgypsys@yahoo.com writes: > I am new to the list hi terry.....welcome to LD.....here is a site with a bunch of music from members of loopers-delight http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html this is the CHAIN TAPE COLLECTIVE.....you might want to give some of it a listen.....michael --part1_19f.1630e938.2c177031_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/10/0= 3 12:40:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, electricgypsys@yahoo.com writes:


I am new to the list

hi terry.....welcome to LD.....here is a site with a bunch of music from mem= bers of loopers-delight  http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/= ct/ct.html
this is the CHAIN TAPE COLLECTIVE.....you might want to give some of it a li= sten.....michael --part1_19f.1630e938.2c177031_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 13:55:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AHoxC13357; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <162.218a7325.2c17747e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:50:54 EDT Subject: review of digi pedals w/one being 4sec delay/loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_162.218a7325.2c17747e_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <73mthD.A.iQD.Dqh5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_162.218a7325.2c17747e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here is a review of some digi pedals including a delay with 4 sec of loop timeClick here: Guitar World | Gear Reviews | 2003 | DigiTech X-Series Hot Rod, Multi Chorus and DigiDelay pedals --part1_162.218a7325.2c17747e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable here is a review of some=20= digi pedals including a delay with 4 sec of loop timeClick here: Guitar World= | Gear Reviews | 2003 | DigiTech X-Series Hot Rod, Multi Chorus and DigiDel= ay pedals --part1_162.218a7325.2c17747e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 14:34:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AIWwc17936; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:32:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: echoplex, loop IV, PMC10, questions Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:32:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c32f7e$a43cf930$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030610050355.84886.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <4WTUaC.A.HYE.aRi5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using 5 banks on the PMC10. Not too hard to create a Set on the PMC to cycle through these live, esp if you use Sean's PC editor to organize the patches, and print out patch architecture lists. My banks: 1: Mirror standard EDP footpedals (with Rec and Overdub set to toggle) 2 and 3: DirectMidi sets including Sus Record and Sus Overdub (so there's no need to change the Parameter directly). Still experimenting with which commands I want on-board the most and which in close proximity pedalwise. 4: Loop #s: In order to go 'random access' to a specific loop. Included in this bank is Sus Next and Previous Loop. 5: EDP Preset changes. Most of my Presets (for now) have identical Parameters, but with different 8th/Cycle values. Read below There are so many corners of the universe to explore in the EDP its easy to take a turn into a mini universe corridor and get 'lost' there for a long time. I've been 'stuck' in the Sync = Out place and it's a gas. Running with Sync=Out I've been slaving via midi clock drum machines, synths and effects off the clock created by the Cycle = 8th of the EDP. Create the loop 'acapella' and then when the loop is finished, the clock start is sent downstream and the drum patterns start playing. Change the 8th/Cycle values on the fly via Preset change and the drum machines can play half time or double, etc for polyrhythms and such. The behavior of the EDP sync out is consistent, so when you change a loop length via unrounded multiply, for example, the clock will adjust accordingly. It can get a little crazy, but that's half the fun... Question: is there a way (or what is the best way) to have the outbound clock NOT change time when you change the loop length in the EDP, while still sending midi clock out? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 17:00:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AKtsi00915; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:55:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:55:46 -0700 Subject: San Jose Looper get together? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EE5BC5A.65BDEDFB@erols.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Mark Hamberg and I are doing a trade for some gear on Saturday and I thought, why not try to meet up with some other loopers while I'm down in that area? Lunch? I don't know the San Jose area, but somewhere easy to get to from the Highway is probably best for me. Come on! Let's have some *community.* We'll make a scene. Email me off list if you're interested or have suggestions. I mostly don't want to just go all the way down there and have to drive back. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 18:14:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5AMAaF07905; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:10:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:10:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:10:13 EDT Subject: devendra banhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <51pieB.A.Z7B.cdl5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this fellows cd "OH ME OH MY....." is a real treat.....i would call it folk looping; guitar and overdubbed vocals.....short little songs strong on melody, wit and downright fun.....there's a little incredable string band, t-rex (mark bolan),donavan all in there imho.....lo-fi as all get out.....well worth a check out.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 10 20:42:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5B0cQb19752; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:38:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:38:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EE67A02.7000509@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:38:26 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Reply-To: mmccabe@finleysound.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: San Jose Looper get together? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bummer. I'd love to hang out, but I'll be at a wedding in Santa Rosa that day. Matt mark wrote: > Hey, > > Mark Hamberg and I are doing a trade for some gear on Saturday and I > thought, why not try to meet up with some other loopers while I'm down > in that area? Lunch? I don't know the San Jose area, but somewhere > easy to get to from the Highway is probably best for me. Come on! > Let's have some *community.* We'll make a scene. Email me off list if > you're interested or have suggestions. I mostly don't want to just go > all the way down there and have to drive back. > > Mark Sottilaro > > -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 04:40:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5B8cwR21301; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:38:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:38:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C99EB60AB44B44B901B6F0678BE27C013B65EE@fdcem001> From: Baldwin Tim To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: FW: Manual problem - Roland SPD 6 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:38:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C32FF4.E31C3C30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C32FF4.E31C3C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, Thank you SO much, a scan would be perfect and really get me out of the sh.. trouble. That would be fantastic. There's no great rush now, as the show is on this week, and I've got a keyboard with a BAD tymp sample. Unbelievably, last night I played it all evening thinking it was a tad on the quite side, and realised at the end of the show that I'd not switched the amp on. Oops. Have a good hassle free day. Regards, Tim Baldwin -----Original Message----- From: mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: 10 June 2003 17:37 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FW: Manual problem - Roland SPD 6 Yeah, I've run into this issue before with them. I'm using an SPD-6 myself and from what I can remember it's not very easy to set up. I think of it as a poor man's Handsonic. One of it's big limitations is this: it only transmits on MIDI channel #10. If I remember I'll try to bring it into work and scan it for you. I'm kind of swamped here at work lately, but remind me and I'll get to it. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 05:16 AM, Baldwin Tim wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I've got a Roland SPD6 but no manual, and need to know how to make >> connections and settings to play an Akai S2000, which I want to use >> in an >> orchestra pit, mainly for timp. effects. >> >> I've tried all the search engines I know, and have so far concluded >> that >> Roland don't publish manuals on the web. >> >> Do you have any suggestions, or even just a distributor address I >> could >> contact? >> >> Thank you in anticipation, >> >> Regards, >> >> Tim Baldwin > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. > If you have received this email in error please return it to the > address > it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from > your system. > > This email message has been swept for computer viruses. > > ********************************************************************** > PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return it to the address it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from your system. This email message has been swept for computer viruses. ********************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_000_01C32FF4.E31C3C30 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Baldwin Tim.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Baldwin Tim.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Baldwin;Tim FN:Baldwin Tim ORG:;PSDB TEL;WORK;VOICE:01403 213861 ADR;WORK:;Langhurst LABEL;WORK:Langhurst EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Tim.Baldwin@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk REV:20000526T092052Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01C32FF4.E31C3C30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 05:48:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5B9ium24815; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 05:44:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 05:44:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030611094455.11642.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex, Loop IV, PMC10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are only using one preset and it is set up to do just 1 loop, but you had your midi pedal set up to access loop 1, loop 2, loop 3, and loop 4 all from seperate pedals, would they all work, or would they only all work if the preset on the echoplex was set to 4 loops? I also noticed a possible bug. If I tap the sus ur insert before I record something it sound like a bomb went off and then the whole thing goes crazy and a bunch of numbers flash across the screen. I have to turn the echoplex off and back on to make it stop. I normally wouldn't do that but I was trying to see what patches I had set on each PMC10 pedal for that bank. If I have recorded anything at all and then hit the sus ur insert it works fine. All the very best! Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 08:15:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BCEBV32434; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:14:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:14:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Lexistheoria@aol.com Message-ID: <55.41b82cbf.2c18770a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:14:02 EDT Subject: Is It Gone? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_55.41b82cbf.2c18770a_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: <4zrooB.A.q6H.T0x5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_55.41b82cbf.2c18770a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listening to "Hello Old Friend" by Clapton with that wonderful, lush backing vocal by Yvonne Elliman. Are artists out there writing tunes with these vibes nowadays? I'm serious, not being critically nostalgic. Who have found this spirit...loops or no. O that muse........... --part1_55.41b82cbf.2c18770a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Listening to "Hello Old Friend" by Clapton with that w= onderful, lush backing vocal by
Yvonne Elliman.

Are artists out there writing tunes with these vibes nowadays? I'm serious,=20= not being
critically nostalgic. Who have found this spirit...loops or no.

O that muse...........
 --part1_55.41b82cbf.2c18770a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 08:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BCZHW01062; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:35:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:35:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c33016$5c76a900$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul" To: References: <55.41b82cbf.2c18770a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Is It Gone? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:38:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C32FF4.D532AE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C32FF4.D532AE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's why the groups of old are doing a booming business touring these = days. Kee-rist, I even saw that Rick Springfield (!) was coming to my = town. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lexistheoria@aol.com=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: Is It Gone? Listening to "Hello Old Friend" by Clapton with that wonderful, lush = backing vocal by Yvonne Elliman. Are artists out there writing tunes with these vibes nowadays? I'm = serious, not being critically nostalgic. Who have found this spirit...loops or no. O that muse........... ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C32FF4.D532AE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's why the groups of old are doing = a booming=20 business touring these days. Kee-rist, I even saw that Rick Springfield = (!) was=20 coming to my town.
 
Regards, Paul
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lexistheoria@aol.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 = 8:14=20 AM
Subject: Is It Gone?

Listening to "Hello Old Friend" by Clapton with = that=20 wonderful, lush backing vocal by
Yvonne Elliman.

Are artists = out=20 there writing tunes with these vibes nowadays? I'm serious, not=20 being
critically nostalgic. Who have found this spirit...loops or=20 no.

O that = muse...........
 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C32FF4.D532AE60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 10:11:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BE1t108113; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:01:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:01:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c33021$eba2e0c0$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <55.41b82cbf.2c18770a@aol.com> <001c01c33016$5c76a900$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Is It Gone? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:01:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <48QieC.A.p-B.TZz5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yea old loopers too :=) claude That's why the groups of old are doing a booming business touring these days. Kee-rist, I even saw that Rick Springfield (!) was coming to my town. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Lexistheoria@aol.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: Is It Gone? Listening to "Hello Old Friend" by Clapton with that wonderful, lush backing vocal by Yvonne Elliman. Are artists out there writing tunes with these vibes nowadays? I'm serious, not being critically nostalgic. Who have found this spirit...loops or no. O that muse........... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 10:53:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BEpsu13413; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:51:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:51:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: review of digi pedals w/one being 4sec delay/loop Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:51:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2003 14:51:48.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC1B2B90:01C33028] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ive got one of these pedals and they're great, let me know if you want any low-down from a loopers point of view. >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: review of digi pedals w/one being 4sec delay/loop >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:50:54 EDT > >here is a review of some digi pedals including a delay with 4 sec of loop >timeHREF="http://www.guitarworld.com/gearreviews/gear/0503_digitech.html">Click >here: Guitar World | Gear Reviews | 2003 | DigiTech X-Series Hot Rod, >Multi Chorus and DigiDelay pedals _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 11:06:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BF0Q415050; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:00:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:00:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@extremeny.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:00:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: good places to play loops in NYC? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <739XQC.A.BrD.JQ05-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm going to be in NYC for all of July. Since I'm there, I'd like perform my >looping stuff if possible but I've only played medium to large rock clubs in >NY! Does anyone know of anything equivalent to SF's Luggage Store Gallery or >the like? I'm not too sure what the Luggage Store Gallery is. You can always play at open loop, to be sure, http://loopNY.com, and Stv Jns who runs that space Chama is almost certainly open to booking gigs. In fact, something I sent someone before on this: At 3:33 PM -0500 3/7/03, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >Share http://www.share.dj >Halcyon http://halcyonline.com >Phonomena http://www.phonomena.com > >The place that I do open loop is also up for concerts >informally -- you can get more time but they have >zero walk-in crowd, perhaps not so good for people >from elsewhere... > >Chama http://gargoylemechanique.com/chama > > >You can certainly mention my name, they all >know who I am. > > >Here are some venues which are perhaps more >established (and thus don't know who >I am! ). These places will be >harder to book I think. > >Phil Niblock/Experimental Intermedia http://experimentalintermedia.org [Phil's away for the summer] >Roulette http://roulette.org >Tonic http://tonic107.com >Knitting Factory http://knittingfactory.com Good luck! Let me know if I can help... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 11:31:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BFRfo19381; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:27:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030611152734.51910.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:27:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: good places to play loops in NYC? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > I'm not too sure what the Luggage Store Gallery is. It's a 2000 sq. ft. performance space, as opposed to the larger rock-club type venues she's played non-solo... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 11:38:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BFaGb20822; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:36:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:36:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c3302f$3175b660$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <20030609064642.80710.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:36:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have terrible sync problems with my DL4 with just the regular delay settings. anybody know how to cure this? i wonder if it's the fact that i'm sending my master clock out of my EDP. is there any talk of software upgrades. this unit seems mighty sample-ish to be having these kind of problems, what with the reverse delay and all. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:46 AM Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? > Hi Mark, > > Weren't you having sync problems at some point? > I recall a lot of complaints about this a while > back. > > John > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 08:42 PM, John Tidwell > > wrote: > > > > > It will not sync in loop mode &, from > > > what I hear, syncs badly in delay mode. > > > > I just used on all day and didn't have any issue > > getting it to sync to > > MIDI clock from my Mac via a MOTU Fastlane MIDI > > interface, or my Roland > > MC-307's clock. Sure, the loops don't sync but it > > would be fine for a > > dub style bass line. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 12:24:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BGMHS27074; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030611162215.56111.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Is It Gone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001401c33021$eba2e0c0$0100a8c0@black> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Listening to "Hello Old Friend" by Clapton with > that wonderful, lush > backing vocal by > Yvonne Elliman. > > Are artists out there writing tunes with these > vibes nowadays? I'm > serious, not being > critically nostalgic. Who have found this > spirit...loops or no. > > O that muse........... Check out Hayden __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 13:07:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BH2dK32139; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:02:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:02:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030611170237.88100.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:02:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: review of digi pedals w/one being 4sec delay/loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh YEAH, definately clue us in. Need you even ask? Greg --- lol c wrote: > Ive got one of these pedals and they're great, let me know if you want any > low-down from a loopers point of view. > > > >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: review of digi pedals w/one being 4sec delay/loop > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:50:54 EDT > > > >here is a review of some digi pedals including a delay with 4 sec of loop > >time >HREF="http://www.guitarworld.com/gearreviews/gear/0503_digitech.html">Click > >here: Guitar World | Gear Reviews | 2003 | DigiTech X-Series Hot Rod, > >Multi Chorus and DigiDelay pedals > > _________________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 13:16:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BHG2d00950; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:16:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:15:56 -0700 Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003a01c3302f$3175b660$69894682@lance> Message-Id: <5CDC67D6-9C30-11D7-8968-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe it is the EDP's sync. I don't own one so I can't tell you. I know the sync out of the Repeater sucks, so I didn't even try that. I was coming out of the my computer's MIDI clock for what ever that's worth. When I had a vocalist use the Echo Pro, I didn't have a MIDI cable long enough to get to where she stood and I just had her dial in the bpm and it worked fine for me... so much so that I didn't feel the midi synced delays were that big of a deal. Anyway, a lot of people have complained about the Echo Pro's ability to sync to a MIDI signal. I think it's probably very sensitive to what it's getting. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 08:36 AM, Lance Chance wrote: > i have terrible sync problems with my DL4 with just the regular delay > settings. anybody know how to cure this? i wonder if it's the fact > that > i'm sending my master clock out of my EDP. is there any talk of > software > upgrades. this unit seems mighty sample-ish to be having these kind > of > problems, what with the reverse delay and all. > > lance > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Tidwell" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:46 AM > Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? > > >> Hi Mark, >> >> Weren't you having sync problems at some point? >> I recall a lot of complaints about this a while >> back. >> >> John >> >> >> --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>> On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 08:42 PM, John Tidwell >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It will not sync in loop mode &, from >>>> what I hear, syncs badly in delay mode. >>> >>> I just used on all day and didn't have any issue >>> getting it to sync to >>> MIDI clock from my Mac via a MOTU Fastlane MIDI >>> interface, or my Roland >>> MC-307's clock. Sure, the loops don't sync but it >>> would be fine for a >>> dub style bass line. >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >> >> >> ===== >> John Tidwell >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >> http://calendar.yahoo.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 13:18:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BHEnv00754; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:14:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:14:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:14:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Need PC rack enclosure recommendations From: James Weisbin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <33F1685C-9C30-11D7-A324-00306578EBA4@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <9JdyZ.A.pL.IO25-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for an ATX style PC-enclosure suitable for mounting in a standard equipment rack (horizontally, server style). The only ones I have found are more than 21" deep, which sticks out the back of a standard 20" deep rack. Height doesn't matter, but aluminum would be preferable because it is lighter and easier to transport. If anyone has any recommendations for a good unit I would appreciate it. Jim Weisbin http://www.savagetranscendental.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 13:22:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BHKBs01526; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:20:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:20:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:19:42 -0700 Subject: Re: good places to play loops in NYC? From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks very much for the info. Sorry! I assume everyone knows San Francisco! Duh!! I should have been more specific. All my gigs in NYC have been as a member of loud rock bands, playing joints like the Bowery Ballroom or Knitting Factory or Arlene's Grocery. I haven't spent enough time in the city to know much about "arty" places are that are open to slowly evolving, live, looped cello music. I'm especially fond of venues that double as art galleries (hence my reference to SF's Luggage Store) or warehouses (similar to 964 Natoma). Anyway, I have a short list now...I'll post if I get any gigs in case it's useful to other loopers trying to play out... all the best, z > From: Tom Ritchford > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:00:07 -0400 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: good places to play loops in NYC? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:00:25 -0400 > >> I'm going to be in NYC for all of July. Since I'm there, I'd like perform my >> looping stuff if possible but I've only played medium to large rock clubs in >> NY! Does anyone know of anything equivalent to SF's Luggage Store Gallery or >> the like? > > I'm not too sure what the Luggage Store Gallery is. > > You can always play at open loop, to be sure, http://loopNY.com, > and Stv Jns who runs that space Chama is almost certainly open to > booking gigs. > > In fact, something I sent someone before on this: > > At 3:33 PM -0500 3/7/03, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> >> Share http://www.share.dj >> Halcyon http://halcyonline.com >> Phonomena http://www.phonomena.com >> >> The place that I do open loop is also up for concerts >> informally -- you can get more time but they have >> zero walk-in crowd, perhaps not so good for people >> from elsewhere... >> >> Chama http://gargoylemechanique.com/chama >> >> >> You can certainly mention my name, they all >> know who I am. >> >> >> Here are some venues which are perhaps more >> established (and thus don't know who >> I am! ). These places will be >> harder to book I think. >> >> Phil Niblock/Experimental Intermedia http://experimentalintermedia.org > > [Phil's away for the summer] > > >> Roulette http://roulette.org >> Tonic http://tonic107.com >> Knitting Factory http://knittingfactory.com > > Good luck! Let me know if I can help... > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 14:19:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BIGIs07275; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c33045$9188e390$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <33F1685C-9C30-11D7-A324-00306578EBA4@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Need PC rack enclosure recommendations Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:16:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a 20": http://www.rackmountnet.com/rmc/rmc_4u.htm Just do a search on google for "rackmount chassis." I've seen plenty of 20" out there. Not many shorter than that though. The problem comes when you're trying to stick the PC in an SKB rack for mobile use. Is that what you're trying to do? What rack do you have that has 20" of depth? My rack mount chassis is 21" deep, and I have it mounted in a Gator [GRC-10X6] console rack (http://www.gatorcases.com/sections/prdct/prdct-proaudio.htm). I have to unplug the cables when the rack lids are on, but the chassis does fit in there. However, it is steel and heavy as a mutherfucker. I started replying to your mail before I had really read it, so I'll post my freak out reply, too. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisbin" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Need PC rack enclosure recommendations > I'm looking for an ATX style PC-enclosure suitable for mounting in a > standard equipment rack (horizontally, server style). The only ones I > have found are more than 21" deep, which sticks out the back of a > standard 20" deep rack. Height doesn't matter, but aluminum would be > preferable because it is lighter and easier to transport. If anyone has > any recommendations for a good unit I would appreciate it. > > Jim Weisbin > > http://www.savagetranscendental.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 14:23:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BILeS07954; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:21:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:21:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c33046$5475dc00$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <33F1685C-9C30-11D7-A324-00306578EBA4@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Need PC rack enclosure recommendations Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:21:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been looking for years and haven't found a rack chassis shallow enough to fit in an SKB case. You've got about 15" of depth in an SKB case. I think I found a 17" chassis once. Certainly not an aluminum one. I've emailed some of the companies I've seen in the Computer Music mag who make racked PCs for audio, but either they don't reply, the cases are too big, or they won't sell them without a complete system. I don't want a whole system. I can build my own, thank you. Some alternatives: Buy a little FlexATX box. Look at these: http://www.directron.com/barebone.html. Most of them are just a little over 7" high, which is four rack units, and if you put it on the bottom of your rack, it'd fit the bottom four spaces just fine. Velcro it, or find some way to affix it so it doesn't come off. Screws... Then you've got space for cables, mouse, half-rack effects, or whatever you want to put in the 4U of empty space next to the box. The latest kludge idea is to just buy an aluminum rack drawer (e.g. http://www.middleatlantic.com/rackac/storage/drawers.htm), cannibalize a normal PC case to extract the drive mounting rack, etc., and then screw it all into one of these drawers. Obviously this involves some sheet metal hacking as you'll have to cut the back out to make room for the PSU fan. This does have some advantages, however, as you'll be able to open up your computer any time you like and re-seat all the cards and RAM, pour water in it, or light it on fire like Jimi you fucking rock star, without unscrewing it from the rack and taking it apart. This is certainly no shock mount system though. Then there is the Gator console racks I mentioned in my other post, which can accomodate the deeper chassis. Anyone got any ideas for me? Rack mount PC chassis that will fit in a normal SKB or Gator rack? Anybody have a Carillion system? Although, I'm sure they don't sell those nice chassis without their expensive guts in them. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisbin" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Need PC rack enclosure recommendations > I'm looking for an ATX style PC-enclosure suitable for mounting in a > standard equipment rack (horizontally, server style). The only ones I > have found are more than 21" deep, which sticks out the back of a > standard 20" deep rack. Height doesn't matter, but aluminum would be > preferable because it is lighter and easier to transport. If anyone has > any recommendations for a good unit I would appreciate it. > > Jim Weisbin > > http://www.savagetranscendental.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 14:26:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BIObn08371; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:24:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:24:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:24:31 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Midi_Pedalboards_Link?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?= To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?= X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.3 (B31) pl4 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.116.121.84 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5BIObB08347 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks! Some time ago somebody posted an incredibly nice and useful link to a detailed list of midi controllers, describing their features with care. I'd like to get back to that page to check some datas... Anybody remembers that link? Thanks for your help. Regards all Italo ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 14:30:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BIT1W08787; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:29:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:29:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030611105915.01d10980@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:29:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex, Loop IV, PMC10 In-Reply-To: <20030611094455.11642.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:44 AM 6/11/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: >If you are only using one preset and it is set up to >do just 1 loop, but you had your midi pedal set up to >access loop 1, loop 2, loop 3, and loop 4 all from >seperate pedals, would they all work, or would they >only all work if the preset on the echoplex was set to >4 loops? If the MoreLoops parameter is only set to 1 loop, sending loop trigger commands for other loops will not do anything. >I also noticed a possible bug. If I tap the sus ur >insert before I record something it sound like a bomb >went off and then the whole thing goes crazy and a >bunch of numbers flash across the screen. I have to >turn the echoplex off and back on to make it stop. > >I normally wouldn't do that but I was trying to see >what patches I had set on each PMC10 pedal for that >bank. > >If I have recorded anything at all and then hit the >sus ur insert it works fine. Hmm, yes that does seem to be a bug. It should ignore that midi command while in reset. For what it is worth, you can get out of it by doing a reset, you don't need to turn off and on. Otherwise, I guess it has to fall into the "don't do that" category.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 14:42:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BIdUt09617; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:39:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030611113840.01951358@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:38:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Midi Pedalboards Link In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe http://www.amptone.com/switchers.htm At 08:24 PM 2003/06/11 +0200, Italo De Angelis wrote: >Hi folks! > >Some time ago somebody posted an incredibly nice and useful link to a detailed list of midi controllers, describing their features with care. I'd like to get back to that page to check some datas... >Anybody remembers that link? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 14:47:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BIim310074; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:44:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:44:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:44:41 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Midi_Pedalboards_Link?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?= To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?= X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.3 (B31) pl4 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.116.121.84 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5BIilB10050 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No. That's another cool one... but the link that I was talking about, if I remember correctly, had a wider assortment of midi pedalboards, with more recent production units and all sort of descriptions... Anyway, thanks Sean, I appreciate your prompt suggestion! Also, thanks Kim! I have just seen you updated Eventide gera Loop Mondo info in the Tools of the Trade section... This is very kind of you. Thanks folks! Italo >>maybe http://www.amptone.com/switchers.htm >> >>At 08:24 PM 2003/06/11 +0200, Italo De Angelis wrote: >>>Hi folks! >>> >>>Some time ago somebody posted an incredibly nice and useful link to a detailed list of midi controllers, describing their features with care. I'd like to get back to that page to check some datas... >>>Anybody remembers that link? >> >> ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 14:48:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BIlJv10362; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:47:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:47:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: San Jose Looper get together? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:47:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2003 18:47:13.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF7B6E20:01C33049] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Blast! we are going to have people over all day saturday! Will Wright >From: mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: San Jose Looper get together? >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:55:46 -0700 > >Hey, > >Mark Hamberg and I are doing a trade for some gear on Saturday and I >thought, why not try to meet up with some other loopers while I'm down in >that area? Lunch? I don't know the San Jose area, but somewhere easy to >get to from the Highway is probably best for me. Come on! Let's have some >*community.* We'll make a scene. Email me off list if you're interested >or have suggestions. I mostly don't want to just go all the way down there >and have to drive back. > >Mark Sottilaro > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 15:01:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BIwTB11463; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:58:25 -0700 Subject: Live Looping Events! From: Rick Latham To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2ETv0D.A._yC.Uv35-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I just wanted to put the thought out about doing some totally live looping events, gigs with my real drums and also feature other bass players, guitarists, loopers etc. playing, recording and looping in real time. I know some other people have done this but I've never seen a really great presentation of live looping with live guys. I have done it a few times and the response and vibe was really cool This could be a cool thing sort of like a workshop or clinic sponsored by some of the manufacturers. Your thoughts, Funkyrick Rick Latham http://www.ricklatham.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 15:13:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BJC3c12795; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:12:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030611120650.02ebda78@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:11:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Eventide looping In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:44 AM 6/11/2003, Italo De Angelis wrote: >Also, thanks Kim! >I have just seen you updated Eventide gera Loop Mondo info in the Tools of >the Trade section... >This is very kind of you. yes right! there is a whole new section for Eventide Orville on Looper's Delight. (finally!) It includes Italo's extensive description of looping functions in Orville, DSP7000, and DSP7500. Our friend Squid Loop helped set it up, so thanks Joey! you can find it all here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/eventide/orville.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 15:24:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BJINg13357; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:18:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:18:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:18:17 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Eventide_looping?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?= To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?= X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.3 (B31) pl4 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.116.121.84 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5BJINB13332 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Joey... very much appreciated! all the best Italo >>At 11:44 AM 6/11/2003, Italo De Angelis wrote: >>>Also, thanks Kim! >>>I have just seen you updated Eventide gera Loop Mondo info in the Tools of >>>the Trade section... >>>This is very kind of you. >> >>yes right! there is a whole new section for Eventide Orville on Looper's >>Delight. (finally!) It includes Italo's extensive description of looping >>functions in Orville, DSP7000, and DSP7500. Our friend Squid Loop helped >>set it up, so thanks Joey! you can find it all here: >> >>http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/eventide/orville.html >> >>kim >> >> >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> >> ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 16:03:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BK0qK18643; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:00:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:00:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Chapel of the Chimes - Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5BK0qB18619 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Henry Kaiser and I are playing what should be a fun gig at the Chapel of the Chimes on June 21st. There are many wonderful performers and composers playing in many rooms and the audience gets to wander among them. I've attended this show in past years, and it can be lots of fun. More info: http://www.gardenofmemory.com/ Thanks, Chris p.s. We will be looping, although whether it will be Live Looping or not, well... -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 16:31:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BKTHO21708; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:29:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:29:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EE793F0.67F7EDB8@erols.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:41:21 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: New Jersey gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, This will be my second weekend of gigging with the EDP. This week I've gotten into Insert = Substitute. It's been a blast creating these intense techno like rhythm grooves(with an acoustic gutiar) and then playing a simple pop song over the top. I'm looking forward to a summer of really learning how to use the EDP. Thanks, John John Mazzarella = vocals/acoustic guitar/lap steel/loops Friday, June 13th, 8pm-11pm @ The Town Grind 25 East Main Street Denville, NJ 973-625-9666 Saturday, June 14th, 10pm-12am w/bassist James Smith @ Tumulty's Pub 361 George Street New Brunswick, NJ 732-545-6205 Hope to see you at a show, Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 16:37:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BKZGr22476; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:35:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:35:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:37:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Chapel of the Chimes - Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5BKZFB22452 Resent-Message-ID: <1XT5lB.A.DfF.EK55-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh yeah, this is usually a wonderful event. >Henry Kaiser and I are playing what should be a fun gig at the >Chapel of the Chimes on June 21st. There are many wonderful >performers and composers playing in many rooms and the audience gets >to wander among them. I've attended this show in past years, and it >can be lots of fun. > >More info: http://www.gardenofmemory.com/ > >Thanks, >Chris > >p.s. >We will be looping, although whether it will be Live Looping or not, well... > >-- > | In theory, there is no difference between > http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. > cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 16:50:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BKn2V23762; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:49:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:49:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:48:54 -0700 Subject: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1DA6DA3E-9C4E-11D7-8968-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2xN1VB.A.KzF.-W55-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, of course some of it is and some of it isn't but that's not my point. I just found this funny link and thought I'd share: http://www.toastyfrog.com/features/drum_solo/01.shtml Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 17:42:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BLeGK28411; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:40:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:40:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "OJ" To: Subject: RE: looping bassists unite! Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:52:02 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4OwfK.A.z7G.AH65-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a bit behind the posts! But I'd love to contribute a six string piece - if there's any spare room for a UK bassoloopist! Cheers OJ www.thejupiter8.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 18:51:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BMnAa01484; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:49:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:49:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:52:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1DA6DA3E-9C4E-11D7-8968-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <51AF9C42-9C5F-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 03:48 PM, mark wrote: > Well, of course some of it is and some of it isn't but that's not my > point. I just found this funny link and thought I'd share: argh. i had to stop reading after the dismissal of Michael Moorcock as a "B-grade sci-fi author". the funny thing is, my current long-term project is a concept album based on a short story by a contemporary of Moorcock. hahah.... i may try to read the rest. it looks like once my hurt feeling subside i may laugh for a bit. btw, Moorcock was in the SF movement, which was science fiction which tried to distance itself from "sci fi", which by the sixties had come to mean rockets and martians with ray guns. New Worlds magazine was the major hangout for these late sixties scifi visionaries. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 19:30:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BNTRO05069; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:29:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:29:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030611232926.75635.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Echoplex, loop IV questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <081GOD.A.FPB.Xt75-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't quite get what the difference between rounded and unrounded functions is. I also don't quite get what quantize does on the echoplex. On a drum machine quantize will actually correct the timing of the things you play into the drum machine. Does the quantize function work the same way on the echoplex? What is the difference between quantize and switch quantize? It seems that many functions (except record) will act as sus functions if you just hold them down. Is record the only function that doesn't become a sus function when you hold it down. I recorded in a studio once using a drum machine where we recorded a sync track (no drums, just sync code). Then I recorded the guitars, bass, keyboards, vocals, etc, then wen't back and programmed drum parts which locked in perfectly. I was wondering if the echoplex can send out some kind of sync data that you could record onto a track of an adat. That would allow you to then go back and sync up as many loops as you had tracks available on the ADAT. All the very best! Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 19:37:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BNPpU04768; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:25:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:25:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c33070$d28ad490$316c5c0c@gardner4njmx9q> From: "redrum123" To: Subject: New Kid on the Block Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:25:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey crazy guys, (insert actual question) I'm in Northern Virginia, and would really love if some people could point me in the direction of some looping viewing in the WashDC area. I'd really love to be able to see musicians who care about looping in the area, but I don't know where to start looking. (background on me) I first conciously heard looping, ironically enough, from Keller Williams. He's also the reason I learned to play guitar. My EDP is in the mail, and I'm overexcited to say the least. I'm really, really glad this list exists, also :) -gsc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 19:49:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5BNlpe06513; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:47:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:47:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:47:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <51AF9C42-9C5F-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: <1864D2FE-9C67-11D7-8968-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <5aJC4B.A.rlB.m-75-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 03:52 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 03:48 PM, mark wrote: >> Well, of course some of it is and some of it isn't but that's not my >> point. I just found this funny link and thought I'd share: > > argh. > > i had to stop reading after the dismissal of Michael Moorcock as a > "B-grade sci-fi author". Perhaps he was thinking of Craven Moorcock? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 20:11:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C01ph07558; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:01:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c33073$40b3bfc0$a401a8c0@red> From: "mark" To: Subject: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:43:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C33084.00351140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C33084.00351140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very strange problem.. After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But addmittedly = rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a midi loop in = it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD phenomena. The "loop = select" changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar synth)... So there I am = making a groovy loop and suddenly I notice the display change loops to = seemingly random loops. They dont actually play, just cue them up. Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the Guitar synth = is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just by playing = the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing patches on the synth = but NOT NOTES!!! OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in depth info = so i have made a diagram of my rig at its not as complicated as it looks, It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter = factory/mofx) almost seperated from... a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth (THRU = a Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see the diagram) = because I want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH the git-synth AND = the Korg synth (for both their in-built arpegiators). however I am ALSO = using the midi note from the git synth to drive the korg... I KNOW I = KNOW I could have Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but the korg doesnt = seem to GET the clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft midi thru on it... HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK... the electrix = rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth plays at same = speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT THE F***ING LOOP = NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!! Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem... Please you guys, I know you're the BEST Mark Red ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C33084.00351140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Very strange problem..
 
After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But = addmittedly=20 rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a midi loop in=20 it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD phenomena. The "loop = select"=20 changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar synth)... So there I am making a = groovy=20 loop and suddenly I notice the display change loops to seemingly random = loops.=20 They dont actually play, just cue them up.
Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the = Guitar=20 synth is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just by = playing=20 the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing patches on the synth = but NOT=20 NOTES!!!
 
OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in depth = info so=20 i have made a diagram of my rig at
its not as complicated as it looks,
It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter=20 factory/mofx)
almost seperated from...
a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth = (THRU a=20 Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see the diagram) = because I=20 want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH the git-synth AND the Korg = synth (for=20 both their in-built arpegiators). however I am ALSO using the midi note = from the=20 git synth to drive the korg... I KNOW I KNOW I could have=20 Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but the korg doesnt seem to GET = the=20 clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft midi thru on it...
HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK...  the = electrix rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth = plays at=20 same speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT THE F***ING = LOOP=20 NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!!
 
Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem...
 
Please you guys, I know you're the BEST
 
Mark Red
 
 
...............................
m  a  r =20 k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
................= ...............
 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C33084.00351140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 20:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C0VAa10643; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:31:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:31:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:34:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1864D2FE-9C67-11D7-8968-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <90BA2DC6-9C6D-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 06:47 PM, mark wrote: > On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 03:52 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: >> i had to stop reading after the dismissal of Michael Moorcock as a >> "B-grade sci-fi author". > Perhaps he was thinking of Craven Moorcock? HAHA you know, i was just about ready to do a Google search for that name when i got the joke. we are sick puppies. but apparently i am a very slow sick puppy. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 20:58:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C0vAx13123; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:57:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:57:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:57:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <90BA2DC6-9C6D-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DAMN! I was hoping to snag someone on that. I stole it from a Saturday Night live sketch where they're doing celebrity Jeopardy and Sean Connery asked the question "Who is Craven Moorecock" Apparently you are Alex! OK, enough of these hijinks! Mark On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 05:34 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 06:47 PM, mark wrote: >> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 03:52 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: >>> i had to stop reading after the dismissal of Michael Moorcock as a >>> "B-grade sci-fi author". >> Perhaps he was thinking of Craven Moorcock? > > HAHA > > you know, i was just about ready to do a Google search for that name > when i got the joke. > > we are sick puppies. but apparently i am a very slow sick puppy. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 21:02:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C11qU13578; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:01:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:01:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c3307e$362c6ec0$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <51AF9C42-9C5F-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:01:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All the prog between '69 and '73 rules. Moorcock should have titled it, "Elric of Melodrama." He's much more pulpy than Tolkien. More on a level with H.P. Lovecraft (who's writing I love, incidentally). His pretentiousness fits right in with Hawkwind, and latter era prog rock. I'd like to see Keith Emerson's super fat synth patches in a fight against Joe Zawinul's tinny warbly patches. Hahahahaha. Fuck you Zawinul. Excuse me if I just capped your hero. It was just a joke. Geez. You people are all so sensitive. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) > On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 03:48 PM, mark wrote: > > Well, of course some of it is and some of it isn't but that's not my > > point. I just found this funny link and thought I'd share: > > argh. > > i had to stop reading after the dismissal of Michael Moorcock as a > "B-grade sci-fi author". > > the funny thing is, my current long-term project is a concept album > based on a short story by a contemporary of Moorcock. > > hahah.... > > i may try to read the rest. it looks like once my hurt feeling subside > i may laugh for a bit. > > btw, Moorcock was in the SF movement, which was science fiction which > tried to distance itself from "sci fi", which by the sixties had come > to mean rockets and martians with ray guns. New Worlds magazine was the > major hangout for these late sixties scifi visionaries. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 21:34:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C1S8o16042; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c33081$a3461760$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <51AF9C42-9C5F-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> <002401c3307e$362c6ec0$520cfc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:26:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lucas you fucking CRACK ME UP! ha! indeed. yes joe z could have spent a little more time with his sounds and a little less time encouraging jaco to drink and drug. joe was one of the folks who could have made a difference in jp's untimly death. sliped between the cracks! yea km had some mojo going on but nobody could touch john lord of deep purple fame. IN YOUR FUCKING FACE LUCAS! serious sound jesse ray, serious sound. see you in ny? jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) > All the prog between '69 and '73 rules. > > Moorcock should have titled it, "Elric of Melodrama." He's much more pulpy > than Tolkien. More on a level with H.P. Lovecraft (who's writing I love, > incidentally). His pretentiousness fits right in with Hawkwind, and latter > era prog rock. > > I'd like to see Keith Emerson's super fat synth patches in a fight against > Joe Zawinul's tinny warbly patches. Hahahahaha. Fuck you Zawinul. cap> > > Excuse me if I just capped your hero. > > It was just a joke. Geez. You people are all so sensitive. > > -J > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Williamson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) > > > > On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 03:48 PM, mark wrote: > > > Well, of course some of it is and some of it isn't but that's not my > > > point. I just found this funny link and thought I'd share: > > > > argh. > > > > i had to stop reading after the dismissal of Michael Moorcock as a > > "B-grade sci-fi author". > > > > the funny thing is, my current long-term project is a concept album > > based on a short story by a contemporary of Moorcock. > > > > hahah.... > > > > i may try to read the rest. it looks like once my hurt feeling subside > > i may laugh for a bit. > > > > btw, Moorcock was in the SF movement, which was science fiction which > > tried to distance itself from "sci fi", which by the sixties had come > > to mean rockets and martians with ray guns. New Worlds magazine was the > > major hangout for these late sixties scifi visionaries. > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 22:01:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C1tNT17956; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:55:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:55:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c33085$7196d5c0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <0DE295EF-951A-11D7-A1CD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <1054702090.2758.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002701c32a62$b62167b0$520cfc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:53:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sweet jesse ray lucass! dont fear the reaper and dont seconf guess your agenda. also stay away from colostomy bags that are too full. i play alone and with others. i can always count on me being there. when i took this playing thing on full time 10 plus years ago i had to incorporate both. you are an amazing bassist. really good. do both if you can. pshycologically that challanges some players to do both. it did me at first. you will meet your match in ny. move AWAY from where you are now. denver would be better for you than the outskirts. looks like i might be spending some time back in ny come this august. you might have some company jesse ray! ny is a funny place; more players than perhaps anywhere else on earth. yet you can walk the same path every day for months and never see the same two people. its got it all baby... jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:29 AM Subject: Re: Let's cause a scene! > > I suspect many of you are in the same boat. Do you play alone because > > you like it that way, or because no one else will play with you? > > I am interested in the solo thing for several reasons: > > 1. The logistics of having a band are a major pain in the ass. This > includes, finding and keeping players, organizing rehearsals, making sure > everyone's happy with the material, has enough solo time, etc. > > 2. Players who have the technical/musical ability to play what I would > write are most likely freelancing professionals, and as such are always in > search of the next big gig. I have been the guy in the band who secretly > planned to leave all along at the first opportunity, and I don't ever want > to be left high and dry. > > 3. The challenge of really being able to get over all by yourself. Good > bandleaders know to surround themselves with great players, because it means > they have to carry less weight themselves. The one man band thing really > requires massive amounts of PRESENCE on every level. > > 4. I am an only child, and as such am prone to the desire to have things my > own way and be the center of attention. :) > > Sometimes I feel supremely anti-social for going in the direction I'm going, > but I am a nomad by nature, and unfortunately it's very hard to transplant > an entire band. I've just spent the last two years living in Colorado, and > am now planning a move to NYC next fall. I don't know how long I'll stay, > but it probably won't be forever. > > I have been in original bands, and miss the experiences of rehearsals and > composing with others. I would like to go back to it, but as we all know > it's difficult to find the right people. > > It would be nice to have other solo weird artists around to bounce ideas off > of. I know I got a lot out of just going down and watching Jimmy George > stomp around on his Boomerang for a few minutes. Next I would like to put > in a visit to Cara Quinn, if she'll have me. > > -J > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 23:08:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C37iB23020; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:07:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:07:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030611211405.00ace940@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:14:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Echoplex, Loop IV, PMC10 In-Reply-To: <20030611094455.11642.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's funny!, I just discovered the same thing! lol! YOu don't need to turn it off though, you just need to clear the memory by doing a reset. I have this function set to a pedal, and it clears it up. Of course, then you can just go and do the same thing again if ya want! lol! it sounds wild if you let it go for a few times around. it's actually a very strange loop. Anyway, re: yer' question, You need to have the loops set in the plex for them to be able to be accessed via midi. Smiles, Cara At 02:44 AM 6/11/03 -0700, you wrote: >If you are only using one preset and it is set up to >do just 1 loop, but you had your midi pedal set up to >access loop 1, loop 2, loop 3, and loop 4 all from >seperate pedals, would they all work, or would they >only all work if the preset on the echoplex was set to >4 loops? > >I also noticed a possible bug. If I tap the sus ur >insert before I record something it sound like a bomb >went off and then the whole thing goes crazy and a >bunch of numbers flash across the screen. I have to >turn the echoplex off and back on to make it stop. > >I normally wouldn't do that but I was trying to see >what patches I had set on each PMC10 pedal for that >bank. > >If I have recorded anything at all and then hit the >sus ur insert it works fine. > >All the very best! >Terry > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! News - Today's headlines >http://news.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 23:13:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C3Crp23388; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:12:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:12:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030612031252.38980.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Loppers with past or present record deals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am curious how many of you on this list have put out officially released looping albums or CDs, and what year you put out your first looping album or CD. I put out my first looping album in 1985. Entering The Silence - by Terry Blankenship All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 23:19:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C3IqW23815; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030612031851.35994.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: CT Project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been checking out the music from The CT Projects. Some very interesting looping music, apparently from many of the people here on this list. http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works.html All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 23:23:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C3Lux24252; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030612032155.29094.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex, Loop IV, PMC10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030611211405.00ace940@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Cara, I had my headphones on pretty loud when it happened and it almost took my head off. A bizarre sound indeed. Terry --- Goddess wrote: > That's funny!, I just discovered the same thing! > lol! YOu don't need > to turn it off though, you just need to clear the > memory by doing a reset. > I have this function set to a pedal, and it clears > it up. Of course, then > you can just go and do the same thing again if ya > want! lol! it sounds > wild if you let it go for a few times around. it's > actually a very > strange loop. > Anyway, re: yer' question, You need to have the > loops set in the plex for > them to be able to be accessed via midi. > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 02:44 AM 6/11/03 -0700, you wrote: > >If you are only using one preset and it is set up > to > >do just 1 loop, but you had your midi pedal set up > to > >access loop 1, loop 2, loop 3, and loop 4 all from > >seperate pedals, would they all work, or would they > >only all work if the preset on the echoplex was set > to > >4 loops? > > > >I also noticed a possible bug. If I tap the sus ur > >insert before I record something it sound like a > bomb > >went off and then the whole thing goes crazy and a > >bunch of numbers flash across the screen. I have to > > >turn the echoplex off and back on to make it stop. > > > >I normally wouldn't do that but I was trying to see > >what patches I had set on each PMC10 pedal for that > >bank. > > > >If I have recorded anything at all and then hit the > >sus ur insert it works fine. > > > >All the very best! > >Terry > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > >http://news.yahoo.com > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are > love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 23:23:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C3N8D24486; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:23:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:23:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:26:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000601c33081$a3461760$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Message-Id: <9778AF90-9C85-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 08:26 PM, Jimmy George Band wrote: > little more time with his sounds and a little less time encouraging > jaco to > drink and drug. joe was one of the folks who could have made a > difference in bummer. i really like Jaco. he was one of those geniuses who decided not to let himself flourish in old age. he was also a looper. at least on one occasion, in some Joni Mitchell video i saw. > From: Jesse Ray Lucas >> Excuse me if I just capped your hero. nope. your post (and jgb's response) was way funnier to me than the article itself. there was a nice bit in there about Bob Fripp being an "anal-retentive fascist with a guitar". i thought that was pretty funny. and yeah, i am too sensitive. :) btw, speaking of warfare involving keith emerson: this link was posted to Analogue Heaven a while back, under the subject "Keith Emerson vs the Infidels". you gotta scroll all the way down to get what's going on. http://www.comics-virt.at/Armin/schwert.htm oh yeah. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 23:44:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C3hNf25890; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:43:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:43:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <058601c330c6$da976a80$99a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030612031252.38980.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loppers with past or present record deals Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:41:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one of our songs was featured on a compilation put out by pehr records in california...granted it was pre-loop days, but we'll call it formative. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 11 23:50:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C3nc826294; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:49:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:49:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030612034937.19502.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: What are you looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was curious what instruments people here on this list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) How many of you are guitar players, bassists, synth players, percussionists, vocalists, etc. The things I heard on the CT Project so far sounded like most were using synthesizers, samples, found sounds, etc. Only a few guitar players. Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 00:12:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C49sO27576; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:09:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:09:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030611221611.007da740@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:16:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Echoplex, loop IV questions In-Reply-To: <20030611232926.75635.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Terry, you really ought to take a little time and at least give the manual a scan, since the plex is an extremely deep box. -especially with loop IV, and using midi commands in the way that you've started to do, a quick read might help out a whole lot. -just a suggestion, of course... I'll respond more below, K? Have a great evening!... Smiles, Cara At 04:29 PM 6/11/03 -0700, you wrote: >I don't quite get what the difference between rounded >and unrounded functions is. > Well, rounding can sort of work a little differently depending on what functions you're talking about, but in essence, it refers to a cycle length, and where a function is ended in relation to that. To get back to what I said about it being sort of relative, for example, a rounded multiply, will multiply until the end of a cycle, and allow you to play live along with it also uhntil the end of the cycle, regardless of when you again press multiply to terminate the function within that cycle. An unrounded multiply will also multiply until the end of the cycle, but will terminate the overdub when multiply is pressed again to terminate the function. The sus application of unrounded multiply, only works for multiplying and overdubbing while the function is engaged. -and, it also redefines a new cycle length in addition. So it's a little different. Now, even if you're using rounded multiply, you can still terminate it with the record function which will end it immediately and redefine the cycle length. So this is yet another variation of multiply. So, you can see, the manual is a good idea. lol! -and speaking of which, perhaps someone can correct any of this if my explanation isn't complete, or incorrect in some way. echoplex. quantize divides a loop into a number of parts depending on how it and/or eighth is set, and then quantizes functions to that scale. So if you have quantize set to eighth and eighth set to 16, then the loop will be divided into 16 parts, and certain functions will wait to be started and stopped for the boundries of those parts to be reached. In other words, if you were replacing a section of a loop, and were almost at a boundry point, but pressed replace anyway, nothing would happen until that boundry was reached, and then you'd be in replace mode, and then if you disengaged the function, it would again wait until the next boundry point, and then be turned off. Does this make sense? On a drum machine quantize will actually >correct the timing of the things you play into the >drum machine. Does the quantize function work the same >way on the echoplex? As I mentioned above, in essence, yes, since it changes the timing with which functions are initiated. > >What is the difference between quantize and switch >quantize? Switch quantize refers to the switch between loops. I'm not sure what else this parameter effects, but again, perhaps someone else here might be able to help. When you're dealing with switching between loops for example, the switch quant parameter will take effect. Say you have it set to loop, and you're playing loop 1. You press next loop, to advance to loop 2, and nothing will happen, since switch quant will cause the plex to wait until the loop boundry of loop 1 is reached, and then initiate the switch to loop 2. Does this make sense? > >It seems that many functions (except record) will act >as sus functions if you just hold them down. this isn't the case. Is record >the only function that doesn't become a sus function >when you hold it down. You need to set record to sus for it to function that way. > >I recorded in a studio once using a drum machine where >we recorded a sync track (no drums, just sync code). >Then I recorded the guitars, bass, keyboards, vocals, >etc, then wen't back and programmed drum parts which >locked in perfectly. > >I was wondering if the echoplex can send out some kind >of sync data that you could record onto a track of an >adat. That would allow you to then go back and sync up >as many loops as you had tracks available on the ADAT. Though I haven't used the plex this way, You should be able to send midi clock out this way. -Check the manual. Have a great evening!... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 00:20:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C4Gh828136; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:16:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:16:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013b01c33099$2eda64e0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <9778AF90-9C85-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:14:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sweet! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Williamson To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Maybe what we do is prog-rock! (funny content) > On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 08:26 PM, Jimmy George Band wrote: > > little more time with his sounds and a little less time encouraging > > jaco to > > drink and drug. joe was one of the folks who could have made a > > difference in > > bummer. i really like Jaco. he was one of those geniuses who decided > not to let himself flourish in old age. he was also a looper. at least > on one occasion, in some Joni Mitchell video i saw. > > > From: Jesse Ray Lucas > >> Excuse me if I just capped your hero. > > nope. your post (and jgb's response) was way funnier to me than the > article itself. there was a nice bit in there about Bob Fripp being an > "anal-retentive fascist with a guitar". i thought that was pretty funny. > > and yeah, i am too sensitive. :) > > btw, speaking of warfare involving keith emerson: > this link was posted to Analogue Heaven a while back, under the subject > "Keith Emerson vs the Infidels". you gotta scroll all the way down to > get what's going on. > > http://www.comics-virt.at/Armin/schwert.htm > > oh yeah. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 00:24:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C4Jwu28324; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:19:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:19:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Echoplex, loop IV questions Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:19:51 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000401c33099$de93bee0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030611232926.75635.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5C4JvB28300 Resent-Message-ID: <13naVB.A.b6G.u9_5-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Terry Blankenship [mailto:electricgypsys@yahoo.com] > I was wondering if the echoplex can send out some kind > of sync data that you could record onto a track of an > adat. That would allow you to then go back and sync up > as many loops as you had tracks available on the ADAT. Hi Terry, I did this with midi clock. Both by slaving the recording sequencer the first Echoplex performance and by using the sequencer as midi clock master all the way. Worked fin for me both on Logic and SX :-) Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 01:48:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C5l9t03190; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:47:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:47:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030612054707.62999.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex, loop IV questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030611221611.007da740@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Cara, Thanks for the info. I've actually read the echoplex manual, the loop IV manual, and the PMC10 manual all completely through 3 times each in the last week. The echoplex and loop IV can be a bit complicated even afer reading the manuals. Especially when almost every function does several different things depending on what you hit next, and how you have your presets set up. By the way is there any place we could download Kim's new 300+ page echoplex pro plus manual as a pdf file? I've programmed the PMC10 to access every single function in the echoplex and I am in the process of going through each of them to see what they do. I've also set up different presets in the echoplex. I couldn't really hear a difference in some of the quantized and round modes. Possibly I was playing and switching exactly where the quantization or rounding would happen anyway. I'll try hitting them a bit off and see what happens. Quantize on a drum machine will actually put the beats the same distance apart (if it's set to do that). I take it that quantize on the echoplex will not put a series of notes all exactly the same distance apart? All the very best! Terry --- Goddess wrote: > Hi Terry, you really ought to take a little time > and at least give the manual a scan, since the plex > is an extremely deep box. -especially with > loop IV, and using midi commands in the way that > you've started to do, a quick read might help out a > whole lot. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 02:05:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C647x04128; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:04:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:04:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: EFC-7 Switches UPDATE Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:04:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c330a8$6b912860$132f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8v95cD.A.YAB.XfB6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I put the switches in...and they rock! Much better for my feet- I was constantly double-triggering the old red switches, even after having my EDP for over 6 years. The new switches are mechanacally quiet, and can be hit easily barefoot or with shoes. Not a bad upgrade, for a total of about $30. $3.88 each at http://outlet.johnson-amp.com , but you have to buy the neuts and washers separately (got mine at Home Depot here in the US). For a blurry pic of a few of the switches: http://www.hazardfactor.com/efc.jpg (also awaiting the new EDP+ pdf manual) Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > >While researching some different feeling switches on my > EFC-7, I came > >across the footcontroller for a Johnson J-Station preamp, which has > >some pretty good-feeling switches. Not mechanically loud, > but you can > >tell when you press em. Opening it up, I got the part #.. R13-85. > >Looking online, I found em: > >http://www.sci.com.tw/htm/switch/(R13)%20PUSH%20SWITCH/R13-85.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 02:53:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C6qcU06883; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c330b1$0449dcc0$d6e1fe9e@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <20030612054707.62999.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex, loop IV questions Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:05:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Quantize on a drum machine will actually put the beats > the same distance apart (if it's set to do that). I > take it that quantize on the echoplex will not put a > series of notes all exactly the same distance apart? > No, but it will put a series of "cycles" all exactly the same distance apart. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 03:43:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C7gS409851; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:42:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:42:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c330b6$29cabf00$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Live Looping Events! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:42:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1U3yOC.A.zZC.k7C6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick... it would be handy to know what country you're living/working in, so as to know whether to respond. Sounds like a good idea though! cheers, os. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Latham" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Live Looping Events! > Hi All, > > I just wanted to put the thought out about doing some totally live looping > events, gigs with my real drums and also feature other bass players, > guitarists, loopers etc. playing, recording and looping in real time. > > I know some other people have done this but I've never seen a really great > presentation of live looping with live guys. I have done it a few times and > the response and vibe was really cool > > This could be a cool thing sort of like a workshop or clinic sponsored by > some of the manufacturers. > > Your thoughts, > > Funkyrick > > Rick Latham > > http://www.ricklatham.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 03:47:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C7kVD10427; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:46:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Echoplex, loop IV questions Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:46:24 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000b01c330b6$b933b2a0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030611221611.007da740@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5C7kUB10403 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Terry Blankenship [mailto:electricgypsys@yahoo.com] > >I was wondering if the echoplex can send out some kind > >of sync data that you could record onto a track of an > >adat. That would allow you to then go back and sync up > >as many loops as you had tracks available on the ADAT. Oh, yes. There's this sync puls and also the brother sync that I experimented with by recording it to a track. Seemed to work but I ended up using midi clock since I was on a DAW, not an ADAT. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 04:00:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C7qmI10863; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: echoplex, loop IV, PMC10, questions Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:52:42 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000c01c330b7$9a3c0900$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000001c32f7e$a43cf930$6401a8c0@neil> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5C7qlB10837 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] > Running with Sync=Out I've been slaving via midi clock drum > machines, synths and effects off the clock created by the > Cycle = 8th of the EDP. Create the loop 'acapella' and then > when the loop is finished, the clock start is sent downstream > and the drum patterns start playing. Change the 8th/Cycle > values on the fly via Preset change and the drum machines can > play half time or double, etc for polyrhythms and such. Hi Neil and all, This is how I too like to use my EDP! I also keep a Repeater synced to the EDP and it will time stretch on the fly and adapt to each new tempo. Even polyrythmically if I should for example go from 8th/cycle 8 to 12, by EDP program change. I also do a lot of substitute/replace insert to crate loops by dropping in short slices of audio, differently quantised by the 8th/cycle value. So I tend to play with all 15 EDP programs all the time. The program set up goes like this: Program 1-5 is for playing and slicing audio in 4/4. 8th/cycle 4, 8,16, 32, 64. Program 6-10 is for playing and slicing audio in 3/4 or 6/8. 8th/cycle 6, 12, 24, 48, 96. Program 11-15 is for playing and slicing audio in 5/4. 8th/cycle 5, 10, 20, 40, 80. The first program of each time signature bank is unrounded and can be used to drop in audio slices unquantised to increase the loop length by each insert ("granular" style). With this program I can also do unrounded multiply to "truncate" a long loop to a shorter length and then multiply it to change the loop length by holding down the pedal. All other four programs of each time signature are equal, except for the 8th/cycle setting. I don't use the Gibson pedal (in fact I just sold it) since I got a Behringer FCB1010 (shopping for a second one right now). These are the Echoplex features I'm using by midi and keep instantly available: Record, Overdub (toggle), Overdub (unrounded sustain), HalfSpeed, NextLoop, Multiply, Insert (substitute), Reverse, Undo, Mute. > > Question: is there a way (or what is the best way) to have > the outbound clock NOT change time when you change the loop > length in the EDP, while still sending midi clock out? I have not found any way to achieve that. During the last tour I played a lot together with Matthias Grob in brother sync and this is indeed a very cool sync mode! We even had it going with three loopers when Rick Walker joined in. But you have to stay away from unrounded multiply (guess that's what you mean by "changing the loop length") to stay in brother sync. The closest I ever got is when I was experimenting with HalfSpeed without changing the outbound clock. The trick here is to assign two midi commands to the same pedal button: (1) HalfSpeed and also (2) program change for an identical program except for a doubled 8th/cycle value. I'm not using this now since it would use up too many midi controller buttons, since you would also have to dedicate another button for (1) FullSpeed and also (2) back to the original 8th/cycle value. I thought this thread was very interesting :-) and I also appreciated the posts from Andy, Goddess et al.... Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 05:30:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5C9Bqs15494; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 05:11:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 05:11:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: review of digi pedals w/one being 4sec delay/loop Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:11:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2003 09:11:45.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5B4BCE0:01C330C2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wellllll....................... I got mine for a barganous £70 inc power supply. I bought it to use as a vocal effect to add delay (a-la howie day live) and it works a treat,I have found it to be very quiet. BUT,and this is a good but........I decided to plug it into my guitar setup before my Delay pitch shifter and RC-20, Man this baby can do some great stuff. First off, for many of us 5 seconds is a lot of delay time to play with,you can get a two bar arpegio crammed in there if u like that kind of thing,or I can put down a rythmic groove on a shorter delay and fewer repeats then when i get something i like, i crank the feedback right up and record it to the loopstation,if you have a seond looping pedals such as this, you can use it to create longer mutated versions,then once you have that playing too kick the Digitech back on and loop a new part on it that will have (if your careful with your timing) exactly the same loop time(Heaven). The reverse guitar setting is also of note due to the huge amout of backwards time it has aailable think it ens up being strechable with forward and reverse to something in the region of 12secs. the pedal also gives you a build in amp sim, it aint perfect but it is a plus that you wouldnt expect, and it is available in bypass as well as when your using the delay ect. as for the actual loop setting, its pretty hot for such a small piece of kit, its initially a bit strange to use cos you have to keep you foot pressed on the pedal for as long as you want to record, this is the oposite to the loopstation where you foot tap the start and end, its not problem as such,in fact i recon with pratice its probably the more accrate of the two , it just adds an element of patting your head and rubbing your tummy if your using them both. anyway, basically your first press lets you set the loop legnth,and with a quick tap you can get VERY small almost constant sounding loops, then subsequent taps and holds add an overlay of what ever you are playing,(again the non latching effect i probably a plus cos you can rythmicly "stutter" the inserted loop if you get what i mean) Ive never ran out of layers so I conclude that eventually subsequent layers fade out to be replaced by the newer ones, also pretty good. I guess I should point out the few niggles (and most of these are minor) 1.the feedback is a little unconventional. In order to get full feedback you have to land the dial right on ritghangle 3 o'clock position. any less and it eventually fades, and more and you go into kind of a sound on sound mode, where the sound locks on a long fade but any guitar played goes straight through without getting added into the delay loop, it can work well, but its a bit hit and miss as to which setting you end up on, paticularly live. 2.The delay time knob cant be "detuned" like a boss pedal can, instead of a nice smooth increace in pitch and speed you get a glitchy sound then the sound lands back in the new time but shorter. again in sure this is something i'll eventuallt use as a plus point or effect, its just worth mentioning. 3. and i know this is probably picky, but nearly all other pedals ive ever used have the first (shortest) delay at the 6 o'clock position, this one is a little unconventional as it has the No1 setting at about 4 or 5 o'clock, this sounds like nothing, but the amount on times on stage i have to get from Loop sampler at the longest delay time (nomaly at 9 o'clock) and miss it comlpetly and end up in the mod delay setting. well there you go, sorry if ive gone on too long, just wanted to give a good overview of what i'd say is a cracking pedal. cu all soon Phill _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 07:25:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CBG4722460; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:16:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:16:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.200.93.145] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: References: <003001c33073$40b3bfc0$a401a8c0@red> Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:15:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01C330DC.4F9CF290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2003 11:15:58.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF9A7090:01C330D3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C330DC.4F9CF290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, I'm not familiar with the workings of the Repeater, but if it's anything = like the Echoplex it's probably recognising midi notes as commands. Does = it say anything in the manual about this ? There are a few repeater = users on this list so I'm sure they'll be able to confirm for you. If you pick up your midi guitar and play every note, starting from open = E, then wait for the Repeater to change it's 'loop select' or whatever = it's doing you'll find which midi note is responsible eventually. Then = perhaps search the manual for the corresponding number ? Hope this helps, ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:43 AM Subject: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! Very strange problem.. After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But addmittedly = rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a midi loop in = it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD phenomena. The "loop = select" changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar synth)... So there I am = making a groovy loop and suddenly I notice the display change loops to = seemingly random loops. They dont actually play, just cue them up. Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the Guitar = synth is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just by = playing the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing patches on = the synth but NOT NOTES!!! OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in depth = info so i have made a diagram of my rig at its not as complicated as it looks, It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter = factory/mofx) almost seperated from... a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth = (THRU a Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see the = diagram) because I want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH the = git-synth AND the Korg synth (for both their in-built arpegiators). = however I am ALSO using the midi note from the git synth to drive the = korg... I KNOW I KNOW I could have Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but = the korg doesnt seem to GET the clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft = midi thru on it... HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK... the = electrix rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth plays = at same speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT THE F***ING = LOOP NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!! Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem... Please you guys, I know you're the BEST Mark Red ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C330DC.4F9CF290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
I'm not familiar with the workings of the Repeater, = but if=20 it's anything like the Echoplex it's probably recognising midi notes as=20 commands. Does it say anything in the manual about this ? There are a = few=20 repeater users on this list so I'm sure they'll be able to confirm for=20 you.
 
If you pick up your midi guitar and play every note, = starting=20 from open E, then wait for the Repeater to change it's 'loop = select'  or=20 whatever it's doing you'll find which midi note is responsible = eventually. Then=20 perhaps search the manual for the corresponding number ?
 
Hope this helps,
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 12:43=20 AM
Subject: midi note??? loop = changes on=20 Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!!

Very strange problem..
 
After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But = addmittedly=20 rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a midi loop in=20 it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD phenomena. The "loop = select"=20 changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar synth)... So there I am making a = groovy=20 loop and suddenly I notice the display change loops to seemingly = random loops.=20 They dont actually play, just cue them up.
Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the = Guitar=20 synth is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just by = playing=20 the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing patches on the = synth but=20 NOT NOTES!!!
 
OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in = depth info=20 so i have made a diagram of my rig at
its not as complicated as it looks,
It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter=20 factory/mofx)
almost seperated from...
a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth = (THRU a=20 Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see the diagram) = because=20 I want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH the git-synth AND the = Korg synth=20 (for both their in-built arpegiators). however I am ALSO using the = midi note=20 from the git synth to drive the korg... I KNOW I KNOW I could have=20 Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but the korg doesnt seem to GET = the=20 clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft midi thru on it...
HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK...  = the=20 electrix rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth = plays at=20 same speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT THE F***ING = LOOP=20 NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!!
 
Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem...
 
Please you guys, I know you're the BEST
 
Mark Red
 
 
...............................
m  a  r =20 k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
................= ...............
 =20
------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C330DC.4F9CF290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 07:34:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CBXH423600; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:33:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:33:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:33:15 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3EE5C1FB.3080504@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0eYfmV5Fz7M+bKYLjCe9Aw)" X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 References: <003001c33073$40b3bfc0$a401a8c0@red> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_0eYfmV5Fz7M+bKYLjCe9Aw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If the repeater is changing loops, it must be responding to something other than notes, like program change or cc messages. However the repeater will also respond to notes (to change the pitch), so make sure that it's receiving on a different midi channel from what your other devices are sending (unless you want it to change pitch in response to what yo're playing). If it's on a different channel, only the clock signal will get through. Andrew Taylor wrote: > Mark, > I'm not familiar with the workings of the Repeater, but if it's > anything like the Echoplex it's probably recognising midi notes as > commands. Does it say anything in the manual about this ? There are a > few repeater users on this list so I'm sure they'll be able to confirm > for you. > > If you pick up your midi guitar and play every note, starting from > open E, then wait for the Repeater to change it's 'loop select' or > whatever it's doing you'll find which midi note is responsible > eventually. Then perhaps search the manual for the corresponding number ? > > Hope this helps, > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mark > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:43 AM > Subject: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! > > Very strange problem.. > > After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But > addmittedly rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a > midi loop in it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD > phenomena. The "loop select" changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar > synth)... So there I am making a groovy loop and suddenly I notice > the display change loops to seemingly random loops. They dont > actually play, just cue them up. > Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the Guitar > synth is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just > by playing the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing > patches on the synth but NOT NOTES!!! > > OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in > depth info so i have made a diagram of my rig at > its not as complicated as it looks, > It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter > factory/mofx) > almost seperated from... > a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth > (THRU a Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see > the diagram) because I want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH > the git-synth AND the Korg synth (for both their in-built > arpegiators). however I am ALSO using the midi note from the git > synth to drive the korg... I KNOW I KNOW I could have > Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but the korg doesnt seem to GET > the clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft midi thru on it... > HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK... the > electrix rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth > plays at same speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT > THE F***ING LOOP NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!! > > Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem... > > Please you guys, I know you're the BEST > > Mark Red > > > ............................... > m a r k r e d > www.mark-red.com > ............................... > > --Boundary_(ID_0eYfmV5Fz7M+bKYLjCe9Aw) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT If the repeater is changing loops, it must be responding to something other than notes, like program change or cc messages. However the repeater will also respond to notes (to change the pitch), so make sure that it's receiving on a different midi channel from what your other devices are sending (unless you want it to change pitch in response to what yo're playing). If it's on a different channel, only the clock signal will get through.

Andrew Taylor wrote:
Mark,
I'm not familiar with the workings of the Repeater, but if it's anything like the Echoplex it's probably recognising midi notes as commands. Does it say anything in the manual about this ? There are a few repeater users on this list so I'm sure they'll be able to confirm for you.
 
If you pick up your midi guitar and play every note, starting from open E, then wait for the Repeater to change it's 'loop select'  or whatever it's doing you'll find which midi note is responsible eventually. Then perhaps search the manual for the corresponding number ?
 
Hope this helps,
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mark
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:43 AM
Subject: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!!

Very strange problem..
 
After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But addmittedly rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a midi loop in it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD phenomena. The "loop select" changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar synth)... So there I am making a groovy loop and suddenly I notice the display change loops to seemingly random loops. They dont actually play, just cue them up.
Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the Guitar synth is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just by playing the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing patches on the synth but NOT NOTES!!!
 
OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in depth info so i have made a diagram of my rig at
its not as complicated as it looks,
It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter factory/mofx)
almost seperated from...
a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth (THRU a Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see the diagram) because I want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH the git-synth AND the Korg synth (for both their in-built arpegiators). however I am ALSO using the midi note from the git synth to drive the korg... I KNOW I KNOW I could have Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but the korg doesnt seem to GET the clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft midi thru on it...
HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK...  the electrix rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth plays at same speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT THE F***ING LOOP NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!!
 
Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem...
 
Please you guys, I know you're the BEST
 
Mark Red
 
 
...............................
m  a  r  k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
...............................
 

--Boundary_(ID_0eYfmV5Fz7M+bKYLjCe9Aw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 08:00:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CBwuj25064; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:58:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030612115850.81880.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 04:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: CT Project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030612031851.35994.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the plug! Most of that stuff is a few years old, but we've got another four discs' worth all finished and in the can that'll be posted soon*: a two-CD ambient/meditative project, an on-location field recording thing and a CD of tracks made entirely with percussion instruments (and looping devices, of course!). (*'Soon' means that Morgan, the site honcho, *has* the stuff, but has been in the middle of moving so he hasn't been able to get to it.) -t- --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > I have been checking out the music from The CT > Projects. Some very interesting looping music, > apparently from many of the people here on this > list. > > http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works.html > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 08:14:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CCDN325834; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030612121317.77937.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 05:13:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: What are you looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030612034937.19502.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > The things I heard on the CT Project so far sounded > like most were using synthesizers, samples, found > sounds, etc. Only a few guitar players. Actually, the majority of us in the CT-Collective *are* primarily guitarists, but the unique nature of the projects can make that seem like it's not the case. What we often do is to propose a set of guidelines for a CD such as "no electric instruments on this one", "build tracks entirely out of found sounds", "use *only* percussion instruments", "feature filters", "a cappella", et cetera. The result is a collection of tracks that's not entirely representative of the stuff the members of the Collective *usually* do as individuals; it gets us thinking differently, lets us to do things our regular projects wouldn't allow for, encourages versatility, and so forth. Also, many of the tracks that sound like synths/keyboards/whatever *are* actually guitars... (There's even a track on Bluezette where percussionist/bassist Rick Walker plays guitar! Conversely, for my own track on that project, because I assumed that a blues-based project would be guitar-biased, I did my tune using only a bass.) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 09:15:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CDCiP30710; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:08:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: What are you looping In-Reply-To: <20030612034937.19502.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2003 13:12:40.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D9282F0:01C330E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Terry, I'm primarrilly a wind player (soprano saxophone and flute) but I tend to use my wind synth (MIDI wind controller & synth modules) as well as keyboard for looping. Oh and I have got a few looped flute pieces too. Ian. At 04:49 12/06/03 , you wrote: >I was curious what instruments people here on this >list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, >synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) > >How many of you are guitar players, bassists, synth >players, percussionists, vocalists, etc. > >The things I heard on the CT Project so far sounded >like most were using synthesizers, samples, found >sounds, etc. Only a few guitar players. > >Terry > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 09:26:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CDEZp30907; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:14:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Need PC rack enclosure recommendations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: James Weisbin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200306120011.h5C0BMn08444@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Jesse Ray Lucas" wrote: > > Here's a 20": http://www.rackmountnet.com/rmc/rmc_4u.htm > > Just do a search on google for "rackmount chassis." Thanks so much for the link. This one: http://www.rackmountnet.com/rmc/ipc4es/ipc4es.htm is only 18.5" deep, which is perfect. My clients rack is around 20" deep, its a standard welded unit, I don't know the brand. Most racks that I found with Google are 531 mm deep, this seems to be the standard size. That's just under 21", and then there are all the wires coming out the back, which really doesn't work too well. Thanks again, great list! Jim Weisbin http://www.savagetranscendental.com/musicmain.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 09:36:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CDXHG00623; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:33:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:33:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.201.161.133] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:32:51 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are you looping X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030612.093254.7894.100430@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7djfUB.A.mJ.dEI6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Terry, Good question, I use mainly guitar but I run my loopers through a board and have synths,electronic drums and voice as well going into the mix. It's too much fun to exclude anyone! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 09:55:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CDrTn02324; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:53:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:53:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:53:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: boss sp 202 Question (?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6anL5.A.Kk.ZXI6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com quick question: i saw a boss sp 202 in local pawn shop yesterday. i think the price was 149$ or 159$ is it worth getting at that price? just curious. prepal has them "valued" at $149 (http://www.prepal.com/manufacturers.htm) just curious if others thought it was worth that price range. been thinking about getting another sampler to use, etc.... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 10:43:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CEfmC06785; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:41:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:41:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <192.1baf202c.2c19eb17@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:41:27 EDT Subject: Re: boss sp 202 Question (?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.1baf202c.2c19eb17_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.1baf202c.2c19eb17_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit do NOT i repeat, do NOT buy an sp202. Its from the generation of samplers that existed just before the zoom sampletrak, which opened the door to cheap stuff being more feature packed and usable. The sp 202 is a dinosaur and youll be able to do very little with it- its TRUE value is more like 75 -100 dollars, TOPS (you cant even adjust the volume of your samples after you record them!). If you want a budget sampler, your best bet hands down is a zoom sampletrak st 224 which I can vouch for as the single most underratted and overlooked piece of budget gear, ever. There are also tons of other newer budget samplers out there, but i havent owned them. Just stay AWAY from the 202 , and its even more useless friend from that era, the yamaha su10 or something (the one shaped like a vhs tape-its honest worth is 50 -75 bucks i swear). Like I said theres tons of good cheap stuff being made now, but the 202 and that yamaha were made before companies started "packing in" cheap stuff with good features. --part1_192.1baf202c.2c19eb17_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

do NOT i repeat, do NOT buy an sp202.  Its from the generation of sampl= ers that existed just before the zoom sampletrak, which opened the door to c= heap stuff being more feature packed and usable.  The sp 202 is a dinos= aur and youll be able to do very little with it- its TRUE value is more like= 75 -100 dollars, TOPS (you cant even adjust the volume of your samples afte= r you record them!).  If you want a budget sampler, your best bet hands= down is a zoom sampletrak st 224 which I can vouch for as the single most u= nderratted and overlooked piece of budget gear, ever.  There are also t= ons of other newer budget samplers out there, but i havent owned them. = Just stay AWAY from the 202 , and its even more useless friend from that er= a, the yamaha su10 or something (the one shaped like a vhs tape-its honest w= orth is 50 -75 bucks i swear).  Like I said theres tons of good cheap s= tuff being made now, but the 202 and that yamaha were made before companies=20= started "packing in" cheap stuff with good features.
 --part1_192.1baf202c.2c19eb17_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 10:59:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CEvCD07967; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:57:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:57:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:56:58 EDT Subject: Re: What are you looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5CEvBB07941 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Terry, I am primarily a MIDI guitar wankster. I diddle around with all sorts of ethnic/folk instruments of both stringed and percussive varieties as well, plus a few "found object" sounds and music concrete textures loaded on a phrase sampler. All of this becomes fodder for loopage (eventually) by a pair of EDPs. BTW -- you wouldn't happen to be the Terry Blankenship of "The League of Crafty Guitarists" fame would you? The name rings certain bells in my dimming "old guy" memory. Just thought I'd ask -- before my latent Alzheimer's totally sets in. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 11:12:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CF8qF09488; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:08:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:08:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:09:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: What are you looping From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1TU_-C.A.HUC.EeJ6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I mainly play the shakuhachi (End-blown, Japanese bamboo flute) but I've never looped that. However, I also play synthesizers in a little electronic music ensemble. In that context I mainly loop (with a stereo pair of EDPs) the synths. In addition, I have a couple of Rin-gongs to which I've attached piezos that I process and then loop. Thought I'd add my say to this thread to try to maintain parity with all the guitar players out there. -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 11:16:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CFDir10059; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:13:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:13:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c330f5$36106230$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <5CDC67D6-9C30-11D7-8968-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:13:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm, thanks for the suggestion, i'll try the midi out of my computer and see if that does any good. i'm just used to the edp being such a solid and precise master sync that it's tripping me out that the echo pro is choking on it. maybe the resolution is too fine for the clock in the echo pro. well thanks anyway and i'll give it a shot. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? > Maybe it is the EDP's sync. I don't own one so I can't tell you. I > know the sync out of the Repeater sucks, so I didn't even try that. I > was coming out of the my computer's MIDI clock for what ever that's > worth. When I had a vocalist use the Echo Pro, I didn't have a MIDI > cable long enough to get to where she stood and I just had her dial in > the bpm and it worked fine for me... so much so that I didn't feel the > midi synced delays were that big of a deal. Anyway, a lot of people > have complained about the Echo Pro's ability to sync to a MIDI signal. > I think it's probably very sensitive to what it's getting. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 08:36 AM, Lance Chance wrote: > > > i have terrible sync problems with my DL4 with just the regular delay > > settings. anybody know how to cure this? i wonder if it's the fact > > that > > i'm sending my master clock out of my EDP. is there any talk of > > software > > upgrades. this unit seems mighty sample-ish to be having these kind > > of > > problems, what with the reverse delay and all. > > > > lance > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Tidwell" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:46 AM > > Subject: Re: urgent question-- DL4 vs. echo pro?? > > > > > >> Hi Mark, > >> > >> Weren't you having sync problems at some point? > >> I recall a lot of complaints about this a while > >> back. > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >> --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >>> On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 08:42 PM, John Tidwell > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> It will not sync in loop mode &, from > >>>> what I hear, syncs badly in delay mode. > >>> > >>> I just used on all day and didn't have any issue > >>> getting it to sync to > >>> MIDI clock from my Mac via a MOTU Fastlane MIDI > >>> interface, or my Roland > >>> MC-307's clock. Sure, the loops don't sync but it > >>> would be fine for a > >>> dub style bass line. > >>> > >>> Mark Sottilaro > >>> > >> > >> > >> ===== > >> John Tidwell > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________ > >> Do you Yahoo!? > >> Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > >> http://calendar.yahoo.com > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 11:27:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CFPQi11241; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:25:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:25:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c330f6$d90fb840$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <20030612.093254.7894.100430@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: What are you looping Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:25:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mostly guitar and bouzouki. this list got me into evolving loops and >100% feedback: a major progression for me and my application of loop devices. as far as my 100% feedback work, i've been doing these "atmospheric loops" where a group of friends and i will sit in a room with a hot mic going into my repeater and one by one fiddle with this vast stock of "ethnic"or "world" instruments that i have collected. these are massive loops of like 90 secs plus comprised of multiple tracks that we then fade gently in and out of the foreground. the result is something like a cross between apocalypse now and kung fu theatre. really neat if you like that ambient stuff. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Weg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: Re: What are you looping > > Hi Terry, > Good question, I use mainly guitar but I run my loopers through a board and have synths,electronic drums and voice as well going into the mix. It's too much fun to exclude anyone! > > Weg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 11:35:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CFUcs11768; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:30:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:30:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c330f7$f1c3c420$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030612031252.38980.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loopers with past or present record deals Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:33:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [129.44.181.67] at Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:30:32 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've released two CD's -- UN and DEUX -- myself. I didn't even bother shop them around. For my other rock projects, I've spent years trying to get signed to one sort of deal or another. It's such a disheartening process. My looping and solo stuff consistently garners positive feedback and ironically is perhaps more commercially viable. I have about 3 cd's worth of material recorded and mixed and ready to go, so if any curious label-folk out there are reading this and would like to hop on the Next Big Thing early, here's your chance. :-) Regards David Kirkdorffer UNDO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: Loppers with past or present record deals > I am curious how many of you on this list have put out > officially released looping albums or CDs, and what > year you put out your first looping album or CD. > > I put out my first looping album in 1985. > Entering The Silence - by Terry Blankenship > > All the very best! > Terry > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 12:14:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CG5cU14653; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:05:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: What are you looping Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <010a01c330fc$7aa93ff0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20030612034937.19502.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i loop guitar, bass, trumpet, keys, congas, voice... in various levels of expertise. anything i can bang on is up for grabs, too. guitar is my main instrument. have yet to do the solo LiveLooping(tm) thing, though. >... > I was curious what instruments people here on this > list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, > synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 12:32:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CGU5S17202; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:30:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:30:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:29:37 -0700 Subject: Re: What are you looping From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010a01c330fc$7aa93ff0$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cello... > From: "Jim Palmer" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:05:43 -0500 > To: > Subject: RE: What are you looping > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:05:38 -0400 > > i loop guitar, bass, trumpet, keys, congas, voice... > in various levels of expertise. > anything i can bang on is up for grabs, too. > guitar is my main instrument. > have yet to do the solo LiveLooping(tm) thing, though. > >> ... >> I was curious what instruments people here on this >> list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, >> synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) >> ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 12:52:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CGoZW19199; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:50:29 -0700 Subject: Re: What are you looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> I was curious what instruments people here on this >>> list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, >>> synth, percussion, vocals, etc. Mostly guitar for me, but one might never know it. Not being a keyboard player (but teaching myself a little lately) I use a Roland GK-2 pickup to drive a few synths. My latest plan is to use a Roland SPD-6 controlling an E-MU PlanetEarth module as a kind of "poor man's" Handsonic. However, as my friend John Freyer says, "Just because you own a drum don't think you're a drummer!" True words be they. A lot of practice will have to happen before that gets into many of my recordings. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 13:09:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CH6ho21236; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:06:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:06:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <025a01c32f66$d7f62bb0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <025a01c32f66$d7f62bb0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:06:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Beat Sync on EDP to DD-5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >check this out. might help: > >http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200005/msg00394.html?line=35#hilite > >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/200005/msg00000.html > > >>... >> act in the same way as an FS-5U? It would be great to have >> the DD-5's timed delays sync up with a loop in the EDP. >> >> Thanks, >> John >> www.johnmazzarella.com >> did you manage to make it work, John? Dont expect too much, because the sync will not be ongoing, so they will fall apart with time, but depending on what you do with the delay its not a problem... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 13:10:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CH1gJ20771; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:01:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:01:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <192.1baf202c.2c19eb17@aol.com> References: <192.1baf202c.2c19eb17@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:01:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: boss sp 202 Question (?) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1156685197==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1156685197==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" THANKS for the advice! i'll look in to the zoom thing..... s--- >do NOT i repeat, do NOT buy an sp202. Its from the generation of >samplers that existed just before the zoom sampletrak, which opened >the door to cheap stuff being more feature packed and usable. The >sp 202 is a dinosaur and youll be able to do very little with it- >its TRUE value is more like 75 -100 dollars, TOPS (you cant even >adjust the volume of your samples after you record them!). If you >want a budget sampler, your best bet hands down is a zoom sampletrak >st 224 which I can vouch for as the single most underratted and >overlooked piece of budget gear, ever. There are also tons of other >newer budget samplers out there, but i havent owned them. Just stay >AWAY from the 202 , and its even more useless friend from that era, >the yamaha su10 or something (the one shaped like a vhs tape-its >honest worth is 50 -75 bucks i swear). Like I said theres tons of >good cheap stuff being made now, but the 202 and that yamaha were >made before companies started "packing in" cheap stuff with good >features. -- --============_-1156685197==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: boss sp 202 Question (?)
THANKS for the advice!
i'll look in to the zoom thing.....
s---


do NOT i repeat, do NOT buy an sp202.  Its from the generation of samplers that existed just before the zoom sampletrak, which opened the door to cheap stuff being more feature packed and usable.  The sp 202 is a dinosaur and youll be able to do very little with it- its TRUE value is more like 75 -100 dollars, TOPS (you cant even adjust the volume of your samples after you record them!).  If you want a budget sampler, your best bet hands down is a zoom sampletrak st 224 which I can vouch for as the single most underratted and overlooked piece of budget gear, ever.  There are also tons of other newer budget samplers out there, but i havent owned them.  Just stay AWAY from the 202 , and its even more useless friend from that era, the yamaha su10 or something (the one shaped like a vhs tape-its honest worth is 50 -75 bucks i swear).  Like I said theres tons of good cheap stuff being made now, but the 202 and that yamaha were made before companies started "packing in" cheap stuff with good features.


--
--============_-1156685197==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 13:25:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CHJRn22630; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:19:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:19:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EE8B61B.52BB0641@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:19:23 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are you looping References: <20030612034937.19502.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry Blankenship wrote: > I was curious what instruments people here on this > list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, > synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) My last gig I was looping guitar and Theremin. This weekend I'll be using steel guitar and Theremin. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 13:41:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CHbT824513; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:37:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Original-Recipient: Message-ID: <008201c3310a$37ebcc60$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <20030612034937.19502.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> <3EE8B61B.52BB0641@pa.msu.edu> Subject: Re: What are you looping Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:44:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry Blankenship wrote: > I was curious what instruments people here on this > list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, > synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) I'm not sure if this is a first but i hope so. ;) I'm using Propellerheads Reason and at the moment i've routed 8 * DDL-1 tempodelays in series (right now i call it a delay-ladder) with 16 steps delaytime on each, then i cause an infinate feedback, though with some "loss" (i would call it "evolution" instead because the sound evolves after a while) in the soundcharacter, by patching the delay-ladder back into one of the mixers ordinare channels so i can controll the feedback and muting and also add dist, filter and other effects ontop of the feedback. I trippled the setup last night so now i have 3 independent Loop-channels that i controll from my Edirol PCR-30 keyboard. And then i just setup my synth-sounds in Reason as usual and patch that into the 3 delay-ladders through the Effect-sends. Ok, i can't get any Live-audio into Reason at the moment, and the tempo-delays as a max-delaytime of 2000ms wich effect the tempo-sync under 120bpm. Also 8 delays rigged in series is bound to give some Latency (that eternal plague of live-softwaremusicians hehe.). But i'm not useing Liveaudio per say, i use the synths and samplers and NO, i seldom use the presetsounds, unless when it's some sound that is obvious, like a piano for example, but i usually end up messing with the sound so much that it morphs into something else. ;) So it's not a perfect Live Looping setup, but this is my solution since i don't have any money AND since i use Reason otherwise anyway so i just wanted to see if it was possible. And i must say it is quite possible to Live Loop like this. /Tias (Propellerheads Reason - Odds And Ends, Breaks and Beats Live Looper) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 13:48:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CHkMg25284; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:46:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:46:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:48:20 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: What are you looping In-Reply-To: <008201c3310a$37ebcc60$0200a8c0@waggy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry Blankenship wrote: > I was curious what instruments people here on this > list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, > synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) Chapman Stick with and without E-Bow/cello bow/wrench, theremin, occasional basses. Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 13:54:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CHqqY25832; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:52:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:52:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.148.204.61] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are you looping Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:52:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2003 17:52:37.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[690878B0:01C3310B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 10-string Chapman stick tuned mostly in fifths &/or an 8-string Austin Douglas touch gtr in fourths. Looping boxes. EDP &/or Digitech 8 sec DDL cheers Lou Rossi >From: "Tias" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: What are you looping >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:44:05 +0200 > >Terry Blankenship wrote: > > > I was curious what instruments people here on this > > list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, > > synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 14:18:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CICJU27261; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:12:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:12:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030612034937.19502.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: What are you looping Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:12:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2003 18:12:12.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[258F5740:01C3310E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I was curious what instruments people here on this > list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, > synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) > Another chapman stick here. Along with a cd player of sound design. I've just started looping synth stuff with my emu xl-7, now that it can do on-the-fly undo as well as record. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: What are you looping > I was curious what instruments people here on this > list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, > synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) > > How many of you are guitar players, bassists, synth > players, percussionists, vocalists, etc. > > The things I heard on the CT Project so far sounded > like most were using synthesizers, samples, found > sounds, etc. Only a few guitar players. > > Terry > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 14:36:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CIXeR29021; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:33:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030612130727.02cbbe10@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:27:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: What are you looping In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:09 AM 6/12/2003 -0500, Michael Firman wrote: >Thought I'd add my say to this thread to try to maintain parity with all >the guitar players out there. Heh! Good point; it does seem as if a good number (most?) of the loopers out there are predominantly string players. I'll chime in to help even things out. ;) Myself, I'm now pretty much completely based in electronics (synths & computers). Although I have recently gone waaaaaaay back to my original roots as a wind player and raided Lark In The Morning for a Maui Xafoon and some cheap ethnic wind instruments. We'll see how some of those pan out as loop sources. And at the other end of the spectrum, I'm starting to get into circuit bending as well. Hrm, from looped ethnic to looped noize... Okay, it's official now: I'm schizophrenic. Loop tools include Repeater and Echo Pro, as well as VST-based delay units. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 14:36:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CIYgT29108; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:34:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:34:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030612034937.19502.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030612034937.19502.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:31:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: What are you looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most of the time I process sounds produced by others. I've done this collaboratively with live voice, flute, sax, double bass, violin, percussion, etc. and I do it with recordings of these and other sources when I perform solo. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 14:52:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CIn3H30491; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:49:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:49:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: What are you looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:49:04 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06/12/2003 02:49:06 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <55ieuC.A.ScH.fsM6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Catilyne says: Hmmm....Care to say which ones you're using? I'm having great results with a few Reaktor4 designs, both as fx and as sources. The Reaktor fx are mostly delays...the most complex and configurable delays I've found anywhere, in fact, including some very fine comb filters and reverse delays; delay times of up to 5 sec. no problem, and probably much more....just haven't pushed that part; combining fx is easy, too....and there's a virtually endless supply of new designs in the very active user library. I'd be glad to elaborate if anyone is interested; in fact, I plan to review Reaktor as a real-time effector soon... David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 15:05:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CJ49X31755; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:04:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04c001c33115$70f8be90$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <20030612034937.19502.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: What are you looping Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:04:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopists, I'm a percussionist but I'll loop absolutely anything. I did a BBC radio interview tonight in advance of Rick's arrival (he joined us by phone) where I looped water gargling. The following breaking news item was the announcement of the death of Gregory Peck and the 'death rattle' was mentioned a couple of times in relation to the gargling. I also looped an Ghanaian Balafon for the opening of the programme but essentially I'm a non-tuned instrument / stuff player. Pentatonic rules! I don't use any adult novelties but a cordless drill gets the loop treatment :) Tomorrow with Rick is my first ever solo (or any kind of) looping gig. I'm thinking of just bring my DL-4 and seeing what I can find on site - makes the schlep so much easier :) Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "sserendipity" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: Re: What are you looping > > > > > I was curious what instruments people here on this > > list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, > > synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) > > > > Another chapman stick here. Along with a cd player of sound design. > > I've just started looping synth stuff with my emu xl-7, now that it can do > on-the-fly undo as well as record. > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals > sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's > not for me." > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Blankenship" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:49 PM > Subject: What are you looping > > > > I was curious what instruments people here on this > > list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, > > synth, percussion, vocals, etc.) > > > > How many of you are guitar players, bassists, synth > > players, percussionists, vocalists, etc. > > > > The things I heard on the CT Project so far sounded > > like most were using synthesizers, samples, found > > sounds, etc. Only a few guitar players. > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 15:10:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CJ97432262; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:09:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:09:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c33115$d13dac20$562bfea9@HYEENA> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: looping ambient Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:07:06 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. Can someone guide me to new tools for ambient music looping. What I am looking for is good VST and why not standalone tools for live input and prerecorded sounds. Special sounding delays, revebs, sound manipulating, sample triggers etc. are welcome.` Just name so I can study more my self if not want to give full review :) best regards, Jukka Andersson www.rihmasto.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 15:16:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CJEjm00394; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:14:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:14:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c33116$9abceca0$562bfea9@HYEENA> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: live looping mic? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:12:44 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_MDbz.A.CG.lEN6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am looking for good mic for multipurpose that also goes well on live looping situation where I mic acoustical instruments and different little things... It needs to be condenser so it picks little sounds but also not omni since feedback is always issue. Does someone have any experience in Oktava MK011 (MK011) hypercardioid like cardioid condenser mic with integrated (2 level i believe) pop-filter. It is made for filmsound and radiowork but thought that it would sound good on live situation as well since it is quite narrow by its pickup pattern and again it sounds good as Octava MC012 (Oktava MK012) that is probably best low price multipurpose mic on earth. Also what equipment would you need to destroy feedback while micing things like didgeridoo and other acoustical instruments with quite droney sound. thanks, Jukka Andersson www.rihmasto.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 15:47:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CJkDI03474; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:46:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:46:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c3311b$42a20be0$a401a8c0@red> From: "mark" To: Subject: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:46:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C33084.70A9D320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C33084.70A9D320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoops forgot URL Very strange problem.. After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But addmittedly = rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a midi loop in = it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD phenomena. The "loop = select" changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar synth)... So there I am = making a groovy loop and suddenly I notice the display change loops to = seemingly random loops. They dont actually play, just cue them up. Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the Guitar synth = is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just by playing = the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing patches on the synth = but NOT NOTES!!! OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in depth info = so i have made a diagram of my rig at www.mark-red.com/midi_setup.swf its not as complicated as it looks, It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter = factory/mofx) almost seperated from... a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth (THRU = a Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see the diagram) = because I want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH the git-synth AND = the Korg synth (for both their in-built arpegiators). however I am ALSO = using the midi note from the git synth to drive the korg... I KNOW I = KNOW I could have Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but the korg doesnt = seem to GET the clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft midi thru on it... HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK... the electrix = rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth plays at same = speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT THE F***ING LOOP = NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!! Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem... Please you guys, I know you're the BEST Mark Red ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C33084.70A9D320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whoops forgot URL
 
 
Very strange problem..
 
After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But = addmittedly=20 rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a midi loop in=20 it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD phenomena. The "loop = select"=20 changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar synth)... So there I am making a = groovy=20 loop and suddenly I notice the display change loops to seemingly random = loops.=20 They dont actually play, just cue them up.
Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the = Guitar=20 synth is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just by = playing=20 the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing patches on the synth = but NOT=20 NOTES!!!
 
OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in depth = info so=20 i have made a diagram of my rig at
 
www.mark-red.com/midi_set= up.swf
 
its not as complicated as it looks,
It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter=20 factory/mofx)
almost seperated from...
a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth = (THRU a=20 Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see the diagram) = because I=20 want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH the git-synth AND the Korg = synth (for=20 both their in-built arpegiators). however I am ALSO using the midi note = from the=20 git synth to drive the korg... I KNOW I KNOW I could have=20 Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but the korg doesnt seem to GET = the=20 clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft midi thru on it...
HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK...  the = electrix rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth = plays at=20 same speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT THE F***ING = LOOP=20 NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!!
 
Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem...
 
Please you guys, I know you're the BEST
 
Mark Red
 
 
...............................
m  a  r =20 k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
................= ...............
 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C33084.70A9D320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 15:49:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CJktB03581; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:46:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:46:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011d01c3311b$60271d40$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <002b01c33115$d13dac20$562bfea9@HYEENA> Subject: Re: looping ambient Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i really like the ambience, too. most of my gear is standalone, with a multitrack environment being the only software stuff that i use regularly. i use creamware pulsar paired with cubase for this purpose. my looping gear is an EDP, a repeater and a line 6 delay pro. for tripped out effects, i highly recommend the tc electronincs fireworx. there are tons of effect mods and it is extremely customizable. word to the wise! if you are into the ambient scene, there is a strong possiblity that you may require a looper that does not "pop" at the loop point during a sustained signal. my EDP is MUCH better at this than any other modern piece of equipment that i have tried, but it is mono and evidently difficult to pair and (although i haven't tried it) i'd be willing to bet that "pop" might start occuring if the units are forced to sync. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Andersson" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: looping ambient > Hi. > > Can someone guide me to new tools for ambient music looping. > What I am looking for is good VST and why not standalone tools > for live input and prerecorded sounds. > > Special sounding delays, revebs, sound manipulating, sample triggers > etc. are welcome.` > > Just name so I can study more my self if not want to give full review :) > > best regards, > Jukka Andersson > www.rihmasto.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 15:59:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CJwOb04661; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:58:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:58:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c3311c$f8cf8220$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: What are you looping Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:58:18 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>> I was curious what instruments people here on this > >>> list are using to do their looping. (Guitar, bass, > >>> synth, percussion, vocals, etc. Guitar (Keyboard's in the US still, in storage), wildlife (esp. birds) and found objects. I also enjoy creating bizarre sonic artifacts through over-processing w/software. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:11:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKAJT05998; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: what are you (not) looping Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:12:58 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An interesting question I'd like to start as a followup is "What are you not looping" ? or: Are there any instruments you play ("instruments you play" in the more general sense of "noises you create") which you do not loop? Personally, I have several different instruments and have looped most of them: keyboards (lots, my second instrument) electric bass guitar (in different varieties, my main bass being a six-string tuned in sixth-fifth tuning through a VBass) electric guitar trombone saxophone (mainly soprano) voice (including spoken announcements, noises picked up from the audience, cell phone calls,...) effects (I did some performances where I would weirdify a normal instrument (with the effect not necessarily going through the amplification) and then looping only the effect signal. And I used combinations of effectors as instruments themselves (the DL4 is excellent for this, really cheap distortion pedals with an open guitar cable work also great, every kind of filter, and this in combination with ring modulators, reverbs, delays -> into the loop) loops (re-looping loops themselves in any creative way, both live loops and prerecorded material) What I didn't loop: acoustic guitar (I'm not a good guitar player and thus didn't tale the time to set up microphones etc. to loop my own struggling with the acoustic) recorder (same goes here) acoustic drums/percussions (don't have any of these myself) As you see, I loop mostly every noise I create. Still, I've begun to see the reason why lots of people here (and a lot of really famous loopers) are guitarists: the guitar seems to be an excellent sound source for creative looping. I'm not enough of a (bass) guitarist to give more valid reasons for this than the possibility to play both chords and expressive melody lines (i.e. more expressive from the technical means than keyboard parts), the fluency of lots of guitarists with effects in general and effects you step on in particular, the "electricity" of the guitar as a simplification of the technical set-up (compared, say, to looping a classical harp). Anybody could further comment on this. And anybody can name instruments he/she plays but doesn't loop, or instruments which are totally inept for looping? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:15:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CK2sZ05108; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:02:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:02:47 -0700 Subject: Re: looping ambient Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <011d01c3311b$60271d40$69894682@lance> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2-BrDB.A.qPB.uxN6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 12:46 PM, Lance Chance wrote: > my EDP is MUCH better at this than any other modern piece of > equipment that i have tried, but it is mono and evidently difficult to > pair > and (although i haven't tried it) No, I don't believe it's hard to pair two at all, unless you consider the hurt on your bank account as $1500 leaves it. I have great luck with a Repeater, but due warning: There is a slight volume bump at the start point of the loop. With the stuff I do I never notice it, but if you're looking for a featureless drone you won't get it. I've done a little experimentation with Mark of the Unicorn's Digital Performer 3's POLAR module and it's amazing for looping... except it seems there is no feedback control. I'm embarrassed to say I have not checked it out in v. 4 yet, but it's on my list. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:16:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKFDi06683; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:15:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:15:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <757387.1055448909473.JavaMail.nobody@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:15:08 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig spam [Seattle, WA]: Tableland @ Mr. Spot's, Saturday 6/14/03 Cc: tiktok@sprintmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tableland will perform at Mr. Spot's Chai House (5463 NW Leary, Seattle, Washington) this Saturday, June 14th between 9 and 11PM. There's no cover, and it's a comfortable, no-smoking venue. Comfortable that is, unless you're a serious smoker. Video and audio looping will be featured extensively. Tableland will be a musical trio for this show (guitar, guitar/keys, drums), so any bassists in the Seattle area who are looking for an ambient/post-rock instrumental ensemble with a top-notch projectionist are encouraged to introduce themselves. MP3s available at: http://www.giantradio.com/tableland.html Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Tableland Some more info: www.tableland.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:22:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKKbt07426; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:20:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:20:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029601c33120$153e6130$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: looping ambient Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:20:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, i must admit that that i have not paired the two myself, i was just going on a couple of threads i saw here. i am curious if that "bump" or "pop" or whatever happens when you brother sync EDPs. from my experience with sync and the loop point artifact, i would be naturally be inclined to say that it would, however, i would be delighted to find out that it didn't. btw, jukka, i don't want to confuse you, i referred to a "line 6 delay pro" make that "echo pro". sorry, cerebral flatulation. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: looping ambient > On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 12:46 PM, Lance Chance wrote: > > my EDP is MUCH better at this than any other modern piece of > > equipment that i have tried, but it is mono and evidently difficult to > > pair > > and (although i haven't tried it) > > No, I don't believe it's hard to pair two at all, unless you consider > the hurt on your bank account as $1500 leaves it. > > I have great luck with a Repeater, but due warning: There is a slight > volume bump at the start point of the loop. With the stuff I do I > never notice it, but if you're looking for a featureless drone you > won't get it. > > I've done a little experimentation with Mark of the Unicorn's Digital > Performer 3's POLAR module and it's amazing for looping... except it > seems there is no feedback control. I'm embarrassed to say I have not > checked it out in v. 4 yet, but it's on my list. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:23:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKHev07094; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:17:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:17:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:17:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Live Looping Events! From: Rick Latham To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c330b6$29cabf00$2ccfc22b@AOstler> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Os, I'm in L.A. Rick http://www.ricklatham.com > From: "Os" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:42:23 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: Live Looping Events! > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:42:37 -0400 > > Hi Rick... > > it would be handy to know what country you're living/working in, so as to > know whether to respond. > > Sounds like a good idea though! > > > cheers, > os. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Latham" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:58 PM > Subject: Live Looping Events! > > >> Hi All, >> >> I just wanted to put the thought out about doing some totally live looping >> events, gigs with my real drums and also feature other bass players, >> guitarists, loopers etc. playing, recording and looping in real time. >> >> I know some other people have done this but I've never seen a really great >> presentation of live looping with live guys. I have done it a few times > and >> the response and vibe was really cool >> >> This could be a cool thing sort of like a workshop or clinic sponsored by >> some of the manufacturers. >> >> Your thoughts, >> >> Funkyrick >> >> Rick Latham >> >> http://www.ricklatham.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKMfb07763; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:22:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:22:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dd01c33120$1840f2d0$562bfea9@HYEENA> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: looping ambient Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:20:40 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, having seamless loops is number 1 thing. even I am the side or our project who plays one hit sounds like sound effects and other things... anything on software side and on PC :) ,jukka ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:02 PM Subject: Re: looping ambient > On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 12:46 PM, Lance Chance wrote: > > my EDP is MUCH better at this than any other modern piece of > > equipment that i have tried, but it is mono and evidently difficult to > > pair > > and (although i haven't tried it) > > No, I don't believe it's hard to pair two at all, unless you consider > the hurt on your bank account as $1500 leaves it. > > I have great luck with a Repeater, but due warning: There is a slight > volume bump at the start point of the loop. With the stuff I do I > never notice it, but if you're looking for a featureless drone you > won't get it. > > I've done a little experimentation with Mark of the Unicorn's Digital > Performer 3's POLAR module and it's amazing for looping... except it > seems there is no feedback control. I'm embarrassed to say I have not > checked it out in v. 4 yet, but it's on my list. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:35:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKYEg08890; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:34:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:34:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030612221544.02e31408@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:34:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: speaking of names... In-Reply-To: <200305282156.h4SLuNt09079@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_51078937==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_51078937==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed High; I'm a little behind in my reading and just came across this. I just needed to set the record straight... >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:33:29 -0700 >From: mark >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: speaking of names... >Message-Id: <05BE086E-9154-11D7-A984-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Live looping. Hmmmmm. > >Rock. Rock? What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music >in any way? "Rock" is derived from the original term used by radio presenter Alan Freed to describe the "new" music of his day: Rock and Roll. Alan Freed did not 'invent' the term but borrowed it from the urban American sub-culture for whom the term was a reference to the sex act: an act that was supposedly encouraged by the new music. In the 1960s the term (like everything else) was shortened. The original music did indeed "rock" and "roll" with the emphasis on the "roll". Check out the "rolling" piano style of Fats Domino for example. Not to mention Chuck Berry's distinctively rolling rhythm guitar, Willie Dixon's bass playing and Little Richard. Remember, back then they were "rocking" their babies and "rolling and tumbling". The misinterpretation and misappropriation of the word "rock" is another tragedy of the late twentieth century. Not to mention the distortion (both literally and figuratively) of the music itself. > Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? "Jazz" has very similar origins as the term "rock and roll" just older. Guess what the nineteenth century slang for seamen was... The music became known as "Jazz music" because it was born and popularised in brothels in New Orleans during the late nineteenth century. Just to set the record straight here. I mean: it is my culture. JPW >Maybe we need a whole *new* word like Jazz... > >I'm suggesting Silis. Easy to pronounce, has nice symmetry. Easy to make >into a logo... > >This is all so very silly. It's like naming a cat. You can think of all >the names you want, but you're going to end up calling it something >else. This is how Mewberta became Mixmaster Tubbie. > >http://www.valerium.net/valerie/cats/gatos/pages/mixmastertubby.htm > >Mark Sottilaro ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_51078937==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable High;

I'm a little behind in my reading and just came across this. I just needed to set the record straight...


Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:33:29 -0700
From: mark <sine@zerocrossing.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: speaking of names...
Message-Id: <05BE086E-9154-11D7-A984-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII; format=3Dflowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Live looping. Hmmmmm.

Rock.  Rock?  What the hell does "Rock" mean?  Does it describe the music in any way?

"Rock" is derived from the original term used by radio presenter Alan Freed to describe the "new" music of his day: Rock and Roll. Alan Freed did not 'invent' the term but borrowed it from the urban American sub-culture for whom the term was a reference to the sex act: an act that was supposedly encouraged by the new music. In the 1960s the term (like everything else) was shortened. The original music did indeed "rock" and "roll" with the emphasis on the "roll". Check out the "rolling" piano style of Fats Domino for example. Not to mention Chuck Berry's distinctively rolling rhythm guitar, Willie Dixon's bass playing and Little Richard. Remember, back then they were "rocking" their babies and "rolling and tumbling". The misinterpretation and misappropriation of the word "rock" is another tragedy of the late twentieth century. Not to mention the distortion (both literally and figuratively) of the music itself.


  Jazz?  What the hell does Jazz mean?


"Jazz" has very similar origins as the term "rock and roll" just older. Guess what the nineteenth century slang for seamen was...

 The music became known as "Jazz music" because it was born and popularised in brothels in New Orleans during the late nineteenth century.

Just to set the record straight here. I mean: it is my culture.=20


JPW


Maybe we need a who= le *new* word like Jazz...

I'm suggesting Silis.  Easy to pronounce, has nice symmetry.  Easy to make into a logo...

This is all so very silly.  It's like naming a cat.  You can think of all the names you want, but you're going to end up calling it something else.  This is how Mewberta became Mixmaster Tubbie.

http://www.valerium.net/valerie/cats/gatos/pages/mixmast= ertubby.htm

Mark Sottilaro

----------------------------------------------------------------
Glass Thought Communications
"Records for people to listen to at home."
+46 708 940893
http://mp3.com/jairrohm
 --=====================_51078937==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:41:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKdFx09374; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:39:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:39:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030612203909.48390.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:39:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4ZMd3.A.WSC.zTO6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > An interesting question I'd like to start as a > followup is "What are you not > looping" ? Sitar. Actually, it does have a pickup on it (K&K Twin Spot), and I *have* had some luck looping it at home, but I don't take it along to gigs because for all the other instruments I loop, I stand up. Sitar doesn't work too well standing up! (I was considering a way to mount it on a stand, but it'd still be a lot of extra hassle to schlepp/tune it at gigs.) The same pretty much applies for my hurdy-gurdy; it also has a piezo, and although I do play it standing up, it's too temperamental to gig with. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:42:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKeHC09511; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:40:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:40:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:40:28 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3EE6423C.8030704@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dq1ZMsx97AhuFWPKgIBmQg)" X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 References: <000401c3311b$42a20be0$a401a8c0@red> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_dq1ZMsx97AhuFWPKgIBmQg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On the surface this seems like it should work. Assuming the GR30 is doing midi OUT and not merging or THRU. It's possible that some device is sending out program changes that you don't realize. You can probably solve this by doing the merging/splitting in a different way. But first you should methodically try to isolate the problem. i.e. eliminate things until the problem goes away, then form a hypothesis about what unit or pair of units is behaving differently than you thought. Test with just those units. Once you have the problem isolated you can reconfigure to avoid it. Does your midi splitter have merging also? I solve a similar config with a philip rees midi merger (2 ins, 2 merged outs, and 2 thrus - 1 for each in). I'm using a keyboard and a drum machine - the drum machine gets the keyboard out, and downstream devices get the merged keyboard and drum machine outs. Is the DR202 configurable for Out, Thru, or Both (merged)? mark wrote: > Whoops forgot URL > > > Very strange problem.. > > After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But addmittedly > rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a midi loop in > it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD phenomena. The "loop > select" changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar synth)... So there I am > making a groovy loop and suddenly I notice the display change loops to > seemingly random loops. They dont actually play, just cue them up. > Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the Guitar > synth is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just by > playing the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing patches on > the synth but NOT NOTES!!! > > OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in depth > info so i have made a diagram of my rig at > > www.mark-red.com/midi_setup.swf > > its not as complicated as it looks, > It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter > factory/mofx) > almost seperated from... > a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth > (THRU a Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see the > diagram) because I want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH the > git-synth AND the Korg synth (for both their in-built arpegiators). > however I am ALSO using the midi note from the git synth to drive the > korg... I KNOW I KNOW I could have Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but > the korg doesnt seem to GET the clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft > midi thru on it... > HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK... the > electrix rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth plays > at same speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT THE > F***ING LOOP NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!! > > Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem... > > Please you guys, I know you're the BEST > > Mark Red > > > ............................... > m a r k r e d > www.mark-red.com > ............................... > --Boundary_(ID_dq1ZMsx97AhuFWPKgIBmQg) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT On the surface this seems like it should work.
Assuming the GR30 is doing midi OUT and not merging or THRU.
It's possible that some device is sending out program changes that you don't realize.
You can probably solve this by doing the merging/splitting in a different way.
But first you should methodically try to isolate the problem.
i.e. eliminate things until the problem goes away, then form a hypothesis about what unit or pair of units is behaving differently than you thought. Test with just those units.
Once you have the problem isolated you can reconfigure to avoid it.

Does your midi splitter have merging also?
I solve a similar config with a philip rees midi merger (2 ins, 2 merged outs, and 2 thrus - 1 for each in). I'm using a keyboard and a drum machine - the drum machine gets the keyboard out, and downstream devices get the merged keyboard and drum machine outs.
Is the DR202 configurable for Out, Thru, or Both (merged)?

mark wrote:

Whoops forgot URL
 
 
Very strange problem..
 
After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But addmittedly rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a midi loop in it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD phenomena. The "loop select" changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar synth)... So there I am making a groovy loop and suddenly I notice the display change loops to seemingly random loops. They dont actually play, just cue them up.
Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the Guitar synth is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just by playing the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing patches on the synth but NOT NOTES!!!
 
OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in depth info so i have made a diagram of my rig at
 
 
its not as complicated as it looks,
It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter factory/mofx)
almost seperated from...
a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth (THRU a Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see the diagram) because I want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH the git-synth AND the Korg synth (for both their in-built arpegiators). however I am ALSO using the midi note from the git synth to drive the korg... I KNOW I KNOW I could have Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but the korg doesnt seem to GET the clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft midi thru on it...
HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK...  the electrix rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth plays at same speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT THE F***ING LOOP NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!!
 
Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem...
 
Please you guys, I know you're the BEST
 
Mark Red
 
 
...............................
m  a  r  k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
...............................
 

--Boundary_(ID_dq1ZMsx97AhuFWPKgIBmQg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:46:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKdBO09341; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:39:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:39:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:39:01 -0400 Subject: Re: speaking of names... From: Scott Carr To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030612221544.02e31408@pop.chello.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3138280741_507495" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3138280741_507495 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Limey? ;) On 6/12/03 4:34 PM, "Jair-Rohm" wrote: > Guess what the nineteenth century slang for seamen was... ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% --B_3138280741_507495 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: speaking of names... Limey?

;)

On 6/12/03 4:34 PM, "Jair-Rohm" <gtc@chello.se> wrote:

Guess what the nineteenth century s= lang for seamen was...


~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%<= BR>   Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, &= ; Sunshine

            &nb= sp;        http://www.tapehissrecord= ings.com

          and our sites a= t the world's largest online cut-out bin

            &nb= sp;        http://mp3.com/hotbuttere= delves
            &nb= sp;          http://mp3.co= m/hebephrenica
            &nb= sp;       http://mp3.com/sunshinealltheti= me

            &nb= sp;   ....and for a whole new kind of music....
            &nb= sp;            h= ttp://www.tapegerm.com
~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%<= BR> --B_3138280741_507495-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:49:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKmG310506; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02e201c33123$e3f0c790$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: Subject: Fw: what are you (not) looping Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:47:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Chance" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping > i have a hard time with rhythmic live drums and looping. mic/feedback > issues are part of the problem. another thing that i run into is trying to > find kit drummers who can keep time with a delay slap back. i don't play > kit myself, and drummers with effects savvy are precious and few. i find > that flutes can oversaturate a loop quickly if you try to do dense layering > with them, whereas the dynamic and tonal versatility of the electric guitar > generally allows for a greater number of layers. but that doesn't really > prevent me from using flutes, i just crank down the feedback. actually, i > guess i'll loop just about anything. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)" > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:12 PM > Subject: what are you (not) looping > > > > An interesting question I'd like to start as a followup is "What are you > not > > looping" ? > > or: > > Are there any instruments you play ("instruments you play" in the more > > general sense of "noises you create") which you do not loop? > > > > Personally, I have several different instruments and have looped most of > > them: > > keyboards (lots, my second instrument) > > electric bass guitar (in different varieties, my main bass being a > > six-string tuned in sixth-fifth tuning through a VBass) > > electric guitar > > trombone > > saxophone (mainly soprano) > > voice (including spoken announcements, noises picked up from the audience, > > cell phone calls,...) > > effects (I did some performances where I would weirdify a normal > instrument > > (with the effect not necessarily going through the amplification) and then > > looping only the effect signal. And I used combinations of effectors as > > instruments themselves (the DL4 is excellent for this, really cheap > > distortion pedals with an open guitar cable work also great, every kind of > > filter, and this in combination with ring modulators, reverbs, delays -> > > into the loop) > > loops (re-looping loops themselves in any creative way, both live loops > and > > prerecorded material) > > > > What I didn't loop: > > acoustic guitar (I'm not a good guitar player and thus didn't tale the > time > > to set up microphones etc. to loop my own struggling with the acoustic) > > recorder (same goes here) > > acoustic drums/percussions (don't have any of these myself) > > > > > > As you see, I loop mostly every noise I create. Still, I've begun to see > the > > reason why lots of people here (and a lot of really famous loopers) are > > guitarists: the guitar seems to be an excellent sound source for creative > > looping. I'm not enough of a (bass) guitarist to give more valid reasons > for > > this than the possibility to play both chords and expressive melody lines > > (i.e. more expressive from the technical means than keyboard parts), the > > fluency of lots of guitarists with effects in general and effects you step > > on in particular, the "electricity" of the guitar as a simplification of > the > > technical set-up (compared, say, to looping a classical harp). > > > > Anybody could further comment on this. And anybody can name instruments > > he/she plays but doesn't loop, or instruments which are totally inept for > > looping? > > > > Rainer > > > > Rainer Straschill > > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 16:59:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKuhp11676; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:56:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:56:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030612135839.029c07b8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:51:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: What are you looping In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:49 PM 6/12/2003 -0400, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: >Catilyne says: > > > >Hmmm....Care to say which ones you're using? I'm actually having pretty good luck with the Lexicon/PSP-42 plug-in (barring some sync issues which are largely a matter of getting myself over the initial learning curve). Also, there was a beta-test going on earlier this year by a few members here on LD for a new piece of looping software which was pretty cool, despite a few rough edges. Haven't actually produced anything solid with it, but that's just because it's PC only. While I've got scads of Intel machines lying around, my performance computer is a Mac TiBook, so I've got to export anything done on my PC's as an audio file then transfer it. A minor annoyance, for certain, but still one that impedes the work flow. >I'm having great results with >a few Reaktor4 designs, both as fx and as sources. Kewl! I'd heard that NI had focused on the FX as one of the highlights for the new Reaktor, and all the reviews spend a good amount of space praising the results. >I'd be glad to elaborate if anyone is interested; in fact, I plan >to review Reaktor as a real-time effector soon... Please do! For other reasons, I've still got the new Tassman a bit higher on my want list than the new Reaktor, but I'm still really interested in some of Reaktor's new capabilities -- particularly in the effects department. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 17:05:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKtG011493; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:55:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:55:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <031a01c33124$ec33d770$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: speaking of names... Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:55:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0317_01C330FB.0323ACA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0317_01C330FB.0323ACA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: speaking of names...oh, now that was the perfect fricking setup. i = need to write script just so i can work that one in. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Carr=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: Re: speaking of names... Limey?=20 ;) On 6/12/03 4:34 PM, "Jair-Rohm" wrote: Guess what the nineteenth century slang for seamen was... = ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~= % Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & = Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com = ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~= % ------=_NextPart_000_0317_01C330FB.0323ACA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: speaking of names...
oh, now that was the perfect fricking=20 setup.   i need to write script just so i can work that one=20 in.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Scott Carr
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 = 3:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: speaking of = names...

Limey?

;)

On = 6/12/03 4:34 PM,=20 "Jair-Rohm" <gtc@chello.se> = wrote:
Guess what the nineteenth century = slang for=20 seamen was...


~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%= ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%
  Visit=20 the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, &=20 = Sunshine

         &nb= sp;           http://www.tapehissrecordings.= com

         &nbs= p;and=20 our sites at the world's largest online cut-out=20 = bin

          &n= bsp;          http://mp= 3.com/hotbutteredelves
        = ;            =    http://mp3.com/hebephrenica
    =             &= nbsp;   http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime

 &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  ....and=20 for a whole new kind of=20 = music....
          =             &= nbsp;  http://www.tapegerm.com
~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~= %~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%
 ------=_NextPart_000_0317_01C330FB.0323ACA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 17:09:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CL2lN12395; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:02:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: live looping mic? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:02:39 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003901c33125$f5656600$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002f01c33116$9abceca0$562bfea9@HYEENA> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5CL2kB12372 Resent-Message-ID: <4qjsP.A.jBD.3pO6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Jukka Andersson [mailto:jukka@rihmasto.com] > I am looking for good mic for multipurpose that also goes > well on live looping situation where I mic acoustical > instruments and different little things... Hi Jukka, Lately I have been using a LineAudio CM2 for my voice. Bought two of them for stereo live recording only to find myself beatboxing and howling into one of them for looping. Very nice microphones IMO, small and good sounding. http://www.lineaudio.se/linemic.htm For saxophone looping I am using a Audio-technica mini cardioid condenser microphone, AT831b. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/product/68270/AUAT831B/REG/1455 It's an even smaller but great sounding microphone that also is fine for acoustic guitar. I have not yet been looping acoustic guitar with it on stage with a loud PA, so I cannot say if it rocks (but, I would guess it does ;-) No feedback problems at all on the sax even though I'm playing through a studio module with dynamic filtering (EQ + deEsser), compression and expander. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 18:54:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CMrPN22778; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:53:43 -0400 Subject: EDP midi question (2nd time) From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306122049.h5CKntu10812@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3138288826_48854122" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3138288826_48854122 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I asked this question a week ago and got no responses. So here goes - Is there a way to tell the EDP (through MIDI) what tempo to record at (i.e. hit a button on the FCB and it records at 124 bpm)? Is there a way to clear it out so the tempo is set by the length of the loop? Thanks in advance - klowy --B_3138288826_48854122 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable EDP midi question (2nd time) I asked this question a week ago and got no responses.= So here goes -

Is there a way to tell the EDP (through MIDI) what tempo to record at (i.e.= hit a button on the FCB and it records at 124 bpm)?

Is there a way to clear it out so the tempo is set by the length of the loo= p?

Thanks in advance -

klowy --B_3138288826_48854122-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 19:21:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CNEnA24085; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:14:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:14:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: FS: Rocktron AllAccess midi foot controller Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:14:55 -0500 Message-ID: <015e01c33138$6fdf4a60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the cadillac of midi foot controllers. very hard to come by. this is one that works well with the edp, so i am posting this here before i go ebay... www.rocktron.com/products/access.html reply privately please, so as to avoid further clogging of the list... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 19:43:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CNg0q26677; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:42:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:42:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP midi question (2nd time) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:41:52 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003c01c3313c$337329d0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5CNfxB26649 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: kenn lowy [mailto:klowy@wrinklemuzik.com] Hi Klowy, > Is there a way to tell the EDP (through MIDI) what tempo to record at (i.e. > hit a button on the FCB and it records at 124 bpm)? Well... Midi clock? I mean, if you slave the EDP to midi clock it will record at the given tempo. > Is there a way to clear it out so the tempo > is set by the length of the loop? Yes. By starting recording and then stopping recording. What happens is that the EDP calculates the tempo from the length of the loop (in accordance the used setting for 8th/cycle). Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 19:46:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CNjC526984; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:45:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:45:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c3313c$de488800$d8c45e0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <20030612203909.48390.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:46:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1hVUhD.A.flG.ICR6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: what are you (not) looping Tim wrote > Sitar. Likewise. Despite 20 years of training in sitar and surbahar, these are the instruments I loop the least! Perhaps it's the accumulated baggage of thinking of these instruments very strictly in terms of Indian classical music, or the fact that after just a layer or two the loops tend to get very muddy and indistinct. So I'm more likely to loop other stringed instruments (in which I don't have formal training) like Uzbek dutar and tanbur, Iranian tar and sehtar, Afghan rabab, Uyghur satar and rewap, Greek tzouras and baghlama, Turkish saz and yayli tanbur - combining these (plucked and e-bowed) with hand percussion. Since these are more my "fun" instruments [as opposed to the "work" involved with sitar/surbahar -- not that these aren't fun also ;-) ] I think I often feel freer to experiment with them than I would with the sitar. But every now and again I do get the urge to add sitar or surbahar to a loop, but usually in small doses, only after the other parts have been established. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 20:49:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5D0mlP31966; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030612174536.031ff698@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:48:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping ambient In-Reply-To: <029601c33120$153e6130$69894682@lance> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:20 PM 6/12/2003, Lance Chance wrote: >yeah, i must admit that that i have not paired the two myself, i was just >going on a couple of threads i saw here. it is really quite simple, just connect a midi cable between them and a trs cable in the brothersync jacks. In th default settings it will work immediately. >i am curious if that "bump" or >"pop" or whatever happens when you brother sync EDPs. from my experience >with sync and the loop point artifact, i would be naturally be inclined to >say that it would, however, i would be delighted to find out that it didn't. no, it shouldn't have a pop because the BrotherSync allows them to sync at the sample level. Things that sync only with midi clock would have this problem since the resolution with midi is very coarse. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 21:25:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5D1O8p01855; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:24:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030612174941.02e74da0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:24:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex, loop IV questions In-Reply-To: <20030611232926.75635.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:29 PM 6/11/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: >I don't quite get what the difference between rounded >and unrounded functions is. Rounded is when something rounds off evenly to the next cycle point. For example, if you are doing a Multiply and press the Multiply button to finish at the mid point of the cycle. The Echoplex will round off to the next cycle point for you, so you have an integer number of cycles. Multiply, Insert, LoopCopy, and SyncRecord do this. UnRounded is when such an operation is forced to finish immediately, without rounding off to the end of the current cycle. So for example, if you are doing a Multiply and you press Record in the middle of the cycle to end it, it will stop the Multiply immediately and redefine the loop length to that point. In this way you get non-integer multiples, which could be anything. 3.472x, .74x, whatever. This works with combinations like Multiply-Record, Insert-Record, LoopCopy-Record, SusMultiply, SusInsert, and the SusUnrounded midi commands. The RoundMode parameter controls whether Overdub is going on or not during rounding, after you tapped the function to end. Normally while Multiplying or Inserting any sound coming in the input is Overdubbed into the new longer loop. When RoundMode is on, after you tap Multiply the second time to end the Overdubbing will continue while the Echoplex rounds off to the end of the cycle. When RoundMode is off, Overdub will be turned off during that time. The RoundMode difference is subtle, but reflects different approaches to playing. For example, some people think very metrically and want to always have their overdubbed phrases fill the whole bar, however they often like the convenience of tapping Multiply early in the last cycle to end it so they don't have to focus on it. RoundMode=on works well for them. Others are more focused on feeling the melodies and don't pay any attention to the bars. They want to just tap Multiply as soon as they get an inspiration to add a longer melody and then tap it again whenever the melody is finished. They still want it to round off evenly, but they don't want anything they play after that to go into the loop. For them, RoundMode=off works well. >I also don't quite get what quantize does on the >echoplex. On a drum machine quantize will actually >correct the timing of the things you play into the >drum machine. Does the quantize function work the same >way on the echoplex? as others explained, Quantize corrects timing of the Echoplex functions, not what you play into the echoplex. It can be set to Loop, cycle, or 8th. 8th is really whatever subdivision of the cycle is determined by the setting of the 8ths/cycle parameter. >What is the difference between quantize and switch >quantize? SwitchQuantize is for quantizing loop switching. >It seems that many functions (except record) will act >as sus functions if you just hold them down. Is record >the only function that doesn't become a sus function >when you hold it down. No. Undo has two variations for long and short press. Long undoes a whole pass of the loop, short undoes everything after the point it is pressed. Long-Multiply becomes substitute. Long-Insert becomes Replace. These are shortcuts put into the interface to give it more flexibility with a small number of buttons. Usually new users don't bother with such things, and it takes some experience and practice with it before they might start becoming useful. >I recorded in a studio once using a drum machine where >we recorded a sync track (no drums, just sync code). >Then I recorded the guitars, bass, keyboards, vocals, >etc, then wen't back and programmed drum parts which >locked in perfectly. > >I was wondering if the echoplex can send out some kind >of sync data that you could record onto a track of an >adat. That would allow you to then go back and sync up >as many loops as you had tracks available on the ADAT. it uses midi clock. it doesn't use smpte or midi time code or any other format. The echoplex also outputs note markers for 8th, cycle, and loop points that are useful to record into an audio sequencer, so you can visually see where the echoplex is. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 22:51:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5D2omK08964; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:50:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:50:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030612192504.02f75668@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:50:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP midi question (2nd time) In-Reply-To: References: <200306122049.h5CKntu10812@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:53 PM 6/12/2003, kenn lowy wrote: >Is there a way to tell the EDP (through MIDI) what tempo to record at >(i.e. hit a button on the FCB and it records at 124 bpm)? you can save BPM tempo in a preset, so whenever you recall that preset the Echoplex will go in to the Tempo mode with that tempo set. Then any Record you do will be synchronized to that. If you have downstream devices syncing to midi clock, you can even start them first based on this clock and then record a loop later, or have them start with you when you begin recording. This gives a lot more options for synchronizing, instead of always having devices start after you finish recording a loop. You could probably also come up with midi strings that put it in tempo mode and then send a cc value for the datawheel, to set a specific tempo value. But the preset method is more straightforward I think. >Is there a way to clear it out so the tempo is set by the length of the loop? Anytime you have a Tempo set, you can escape from it temporarily by pressing Overdub while in reset. You will notice when you have the Tempo set, the Overdub LED will turn orange when you go to reset, indicating it has this special function. When you go back to Tempo mode it remembers your previous tempo. Long-press of Undo turns tempo off completely and resets the tempo for the next time you go into that mode. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 12 23:47:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5D3kVB13063; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:46:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030613034630.97539.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:46:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: What are you looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ted, Yes that's me. Time flies doesn't it. I saw my old League Of Crafty Guitarists touring room mate Bert Lams (from The California Guitar trio) recently. They sounded very good. All the very best! Terry --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi Terry, > BTW -- you wouldn't happen to be the Terry > Blankenship of "The League of Crafty Guitarists" > fame would you? > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 00:35:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5D4YMx16362; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:34:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:34:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030613043421.75216.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Past and Present Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My first exposure to tape looping was musique concrète from John Cage, Edgard Varese, karlheinz Stockhausen. Then it was the minimalists like Terry Riley, and Steve Reich, (It’s Gonna Rain). I even tracked down Steve Reich and spent a day listening to a rehearsal for his 8 marimbas tour and talking to him and the musicians he was working with. I tracked down John Cage next. My first exposure to looping with the guitar was “No Pussy Footing” by Fripp and Eno in 1973. At the time I recorded my “Entering The Silence” lp in 1985 no one else had released any solo looping guitar lps besides Fripp. I released this at the same time that I was playing with Robert Fripp and The League Of Crafty Guitarists. It got great reviews at the time. Robert read one of them at the dinner table, then looked at me, raised his eyebrows and said he’d better get to practising. Actually Steve Reich was and is my biggest influence for minimalist music. Fripp just opened my eyes that it could be done on the guitar. It is amazing to me to see all of the different people looping today. Until I joined this list I thought I was still the only person doing it except Fripp. (I knew that Adrian Belew had done a little bit of it). I have been listening to music from the CT Project, and checking out different looping members profiles and listening to their music when available. Some of it is very good. I look forward to listening to different members music. Thanks to everyone for tips on the Echoplex and PMC10, and for sharing what you are looping with. All the very best! Terry http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=1509 http://home.cinci.rr.com/terryblankenship/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 01:33:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5D5KV919751; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030613052025.56940.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:20:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Michael Subject: Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CONGRATULATIONS--This is the first time I've seen a tech. question go unanswered on this list. You seem to have stumped LD! I was unable to view your diagram for some reason--so this may not directly apply to your situation--but I have have encountered a similar symptom with the Repeater and have intended to document it here ...hopefully you will find this useful. I use an FCB-1010 to control the Repeater. This pdl brd has a MIDI merge feature that I used to use to merge MIDI time code (from a Roland R-70) and the FCB commands to the MIDI in of the Repeater. Repeater = MIDI ch. 1 R-70 = MIDI ch. 10 (it can also transmit on 4 other channels simultaneously) This worked ok for the most part--HOWEVER--I discovered that if I used the R-70's Multi-timbral capabilties--the symptoms you describe raise their ugly head--random loops are cued--there was no pattern--nor could this symptom be duplicated in any predictable fashion (yes--I made certian that the drum machine was not transmitting on the Repeater's MIDI ch.). I had the same result with other mulit-timbral drum machines (Boss DR-5 and DR-770) As long as I transmitted only on one MIDI channel, everything was fine--but let more that one channel transmit and chaos would eventually ensue. At first I attributed this to one of the several bugs with which most Repeater users live. Then as an experiment, I used an external MIDI merge box as opposed to merging with the FCB (I use a simple MIDI Solutions 2 in/1 out box). This solved the problem entirely! In fact--the Repeater has been a MUCH more stable machine ever since. Hopefully, this will info will prove useful to someone... After gaining alot of useful info here and on the LD site--thanks for providing the opportunity to contribute. Cheers, Rob Michael "Play something good...." > After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, (But addmittedly > rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have a midi loop in > it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD phenomena. The "loop > select" changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar synth)... So there I am > making a groovy loop and suddenly I notice the display change loops to > seemingly random loops. They dont actually play, just cue them up. > Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out from the Guitar > synth is getting to the repeater, but how can it change loops just by > playing the guitar??? I would understand if I was changing patches on > the synth but NOT NOTES!!! > > OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without further in depth > info so i have made a diagram of my rig at > > www.mark-red.com/midi_setup.swf > > its not as complicated as it looks, > It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig (repeater/filter > factory/mofx) > almost seperated from... > a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg MS2000 rack synth > (THRU a Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop here (if you see the > diagram) because I want the drummachine to send clock to BOTH the > git-synth AND the Korg synth (for both their in-built arpegiators). > however I am ALSO using the midi note from the git synth to drive the > korg... I KNOW I KNOW I could have Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but > the korg doesnt seem to GET the clock-outa the GR30... Cant find soft > midi thru on it... > HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES WORK... the > electrix rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and the git synth plays > at same speed and so does the Korg... luverly jubbly... BUT THE > F***ING LOOP NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE REPEATER!!!!!!!!!! > > Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem... > > Please you guys, I know you're the BEST > > Mark Red > > > ............................... > m a r k r e d > www.mark-red.com > ............................... > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 04:01:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5D80jk29100; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:00:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:00:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <97.3a11f49a.2c1adea5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:00:37 EDT Subject: Re: looping ambient To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > my EDP is MUCH better at this than any other modern piece of > equipment that i have tried, but it is mono and evidently difficult to pair > and (although i haven't tried it) i'd be willing to bet that "pop" might > start occuring if the units are forced to sync. I can confirm that 2 EDPs make good stereo. I've been using it a lot. sample accurate & no clicks. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 04:31:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5D8T2w31098; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:29:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:29:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030613023524.009c6c80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:35:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Echoplex, loop IV questions In-Reply-To: <20030612054707.62999.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20030611221611.007da740@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Terry, yes, the manuals can definitely be a tough read, and the over-all complexity level is way high! I've spent many a night being TADA! Insomnia Girl! poring over them. lol! I tend to learn things quickly though, and am wonderfully lucky to know some very knowledgable people. -you know who you are... anyway, I hope yer' doing well figuring out the plex... Talk with ya soon, K? Nighters, Cara At 10:47 PM 6/11/03 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Cara, > >Thanks for the info. > >I've actually read the echoplex manual, the loop IV >manual, and the PMC10 manual all completely through 3 >times each in the last week. > >The echoplex and loop IV can be a bit complicated even >afer reading the manuals. Especially when almost every >function does several different things depending on >what you hit next, and how you have your presets set >up. > >By the way is there any place we could download Kim's >new 300+ page echoplex pro plus manual as a pdf file? > >I've programmed the PMC10 to access every single >function in the echoplex and I am in the process of >going through each of them to see what they do. > >I've also set up different presets in the echoplex. > >I couldn't really hear a difference in some of the >quantized and round modes. Possibly I was playing and >switching exactly where the quantization or rounding >would happen anyway. I'll try hitting them a bit off >and see what happens. > >Quantize on a drum machine will actually put the beats >the same distance apart (if it's set to do that). I >take it that quantize on the echoplex will not put a >series of notes all exactly the same distance apart? > >All the very best! >Terry > > >--- Goddess wrote: >> Hi Terry, you really ought to take a little time >> and at least give the manual a scan, since the plex >> is an extremely deep box. -especially with >> loop IV, and using midi commands in the way that >> you've started to do, a quick read might help out a >> whole lot. > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 06:21:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DAJfb05028; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:19:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:19:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <18e.1baaf847.2c1aff35@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:19:33 EDT Subject: Loop music for download To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The last gig I did was taped, and I enjoyed it so there's now a 30 min set of my music on www.andybutler.com no edits, reverb or anything, warts'n'all kind of "sketch book" versions maybe, of my more "composed" stuff 1. backwater.....version of my studio track with the EDP 8th replace "sequencer stuff". 2. hanging garden.......surf guitar gamelan 3. moonset ..... slow "orchestral" type, no loops as such, but uses an "infinite hold " vortex patch, (small loops?) 4. a couple of zappa tunes......dumb loop guitar stuff 5. teleportation.....did you know you could do that with the EDPs nextloop? maybe this is Vortex-Music?? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 06:46:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DAjii06777; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:45:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:45:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:33:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: live looping mic? In-Reply-To: <002f01c33116$9abceca0$562bfea9@HYEENA> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2003 10:45:42.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFFFE1E0:01C33198] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5DAjhB06753 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 20:12 12/06/03 , you wrote: >I am looking for good mic for multipurpose that also goes >well on live looping situation where I mic acoustical instruments >and different little things... > >It needs to be condenser so it picks little sounds but also not omni >since feedback is always issue. The popular AKG C1000s has a little sleeve that fits over the capsule to give it a hypercardioid pickup pattern. I like this mic on my soprano saxophone on stage. > >Does someone have any experience in Oktava MK011 (MK011) hypercardioid >like cardioid condenser mic with integrated (2 level i believe) pop-filter. > >It is made for filmsound and radiowork but thought that it would sound good >on live situation as well since it is quite narrow by its pickup pattern and >again >it sounds good as Octava MC012 (Oktava MK012) that is probably best >low price multipurpose mic on earth. > >Also what equipment would you need to destroy feedback while micing things >like didgeridoo and other acoustical instruments with quite droney sound. > I'm just starting to use a little Behringer "Shark" feedback distroyer. it has other PA-orientated features, but the feedback distroyer has a set of 12 tight filters that (one by one) find feedback and pull back that frequency a bit then lock in. In in the early stages of using it but it does work and I've been impressed with it - it only cost me £55 (UK). Behringer do a rackmount stereo version too that I think has the same electronics(?). Ian. place>thanks, >Jukka Andersson >www.rihmasto.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 07:24:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DBMEi08819; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:22:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:22:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> References: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:22:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And anybody can name instruments >he/she plays but doesn't loop, or instruments which are totally inept for >looping? I never heard of a piano player doing it... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 07:25:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DBNX509211; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:23:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:23:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030612031252.38980.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030612031252.38980.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:23:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loppers with past or present record deals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am curious how many of you on this list have put out >officially released looping albums or CDs, and what >year you put out your first looping album or CD. > >I put out my first looping album in 1985. >Entering The Silence - by Terry Blankenship wow! how many did you make since? my first was 87 the second a month ago :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 07:26:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DBNth09310; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:23:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:23:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c32f7e$a43cf930$6401a8c0@neil> References: <000001c32f7e$a43cf930$6401a8c0@neil> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:23:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: echoplex, loop IV, PMC10, questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice story, thank you Neal! Seems that the best way to experience constant drum speed is to have the EDP slave, so it can go out of sync and back in again (ReAlign). Another corner of the universe! enjoy Matthias > >There are so many corners of the universe to explore in the EDP its easy >to take a turn into a mini universe corridor and get 'lost' there for a >long time. I've been 'stuck' in the Sync = Out place and it's a gas. > >Running with Sync=Out I've been slaving via midi clock drum machines, >synths and effects off the clock created by the Cycle = 8th of the EDP. >Create the loop 'acapella' and then when the loop is finished, the clock >start is sent downstream and the drum patterns start playing. Change >the 8th/Cycle values on the fly via Preset change and the drum machines >can play half time or double, etc for polyrhythms and such. > >The behavior of the EDP sync out is consistent, so when you change a >loop length via unrounded multiply, for example, the clock will adjust >accordingly. > >It can get a little crazy, but that's half the fun... > >Question: is there a way (or what is the best way) to have the outbound >clock NOT change time when you change the loop length in the EDP, while >still sending midi clock out? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 07:53:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DBqtR11250; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c331a2$6f610c80$ad635cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #325 for June 12, 2003 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:53:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C33180.DB0DDE80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C33180.DB0DDE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #325 June 12, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the soundworld bliss = of Steve Roach, who has been called the USA's Premeire Electronic Ambient Sound Sorcerer. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Labyrinth," disc two of the = four CD boxed set "Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces" on the Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Memorymetropolis" by Clara Mondshine = on IC Records. I played the music of some of the artists who will be performing at the Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June = 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. Steve Roach - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jun Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Clara Mondshine Metasamba Memorymetropolis (IC) VA [vidnaObmana] Ceremonial sub.terra (The = Foundry/Hypnos) Jonn Serrie Gentle, The Night And the Stars Go With = You (New World Music) VA [James Johnson] Stillness + Vapor Harmony with Ambience (Windfarm) Paul Avgerinos Heaven Sings Words Touch (none) Paul Avgerinos Song Without End Words Touch (none) Steve Roach Wren and Raven MC&SS - Labyrinth = (Projekt) 12:00 am Steve Roach The Otherworld MC&SS - Labyrinth = (Projekt) Steve Roach Wonderworld MC&SS - Labyrinth = (Projekt) Steve Roach Threshold MC&SS - Labyrinth = (Projekt) Steve Roach Dream Body MC&SS - Labyrinth = (Projekt) Steve Roach Slow Dissolve MC&SS - Labyrinth = (Projekt) Steve Roach Womb of Night MC&SS - Labyrinth = (Projekt) Steve Roach Souldwave MC&SS - Labyrinth = (Projekt) Steve Roach Wordless MC&SS - Labyrinth = (Projekt) Steve Roach Nameless MC&SS - Labyrinth = (Projekt) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach = and his new box set release. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Recent = Future," the third disc from the "Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces" boxed set on the = Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Firebird" by Tomita on RCA Red = Seal. I will play the music of some of the artists who will be performing at = the Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June = 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. I = will also play music by Robert Rich who will be in concert at the Soundscapes = Concert Series in Bethlehem. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. = Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are = GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This = Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday = at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm = http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click = REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are = GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C33180.DB0DDE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #325       =20             June 12, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the = soundworld=20 bliss of Steve
Roach, who has been called the USA's Premeire = Electronic=20 Ambient Sound
Sorcerer.  The Featured CD at Midnight was = "Labyrinth,"=20 disc two of the four CD
boxed set "Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces" = on the=20 Projekt label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Memorymetropolis" by Clara = Mondshine on=20 IC
Records.
 
I played the music of some of the artists who will be performing at = the
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.
 
Steve Roach - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jun
=
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Clara=20 Mondshine        =20 Metasamba          &nbs= p;    =20 Memorymetropolis (IC)
VA=20 [vidnaObmana]       =20 Ceremonial          &nb= sp;   =20 sub.terra (The Foundry/Hypnos)
Jonn=20 Serrie           &= nbsp;=20 Gentle, The Night        And the = Stars Go=20 With You=20 (New
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 World Music)
VA [James Johnson]      = Stillness +=20 Vapor        Harmony with=20 Ambience
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 (Windfarm)
Paul=20 Avgerinos          Heaven=20 Sings           &n= bsp;=20 Words Touch (none)
Paul=20 Avgerinos          Song = Without=20 End         Words Touch = (none)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Wren and = Raven          =20 MC&SS - Labyrinth (Projekt)
 
12:00 am
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 The = Otherworld          =20 MC&SS - Labyrinth (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Wonderworld          &n= bsp;  =20 MC&SS - Labyrinth (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Threshold          &nbs= p;    =20 MC&SS - Labyrinth (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Dream=20 Body           &nb= sp;  =20 MC&SS - Labyrinth (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Slow = Dissolve           = ;=20 MC&SS - Labyrinth (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Womb of = Night           =20 MC&SS - Labyrinth (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Souldwave          &nbs= p;    =20 MC&SS - Labyrinth (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Wordless           = ;     =20 MC&SS - Labyrinth (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Nameless           = ;     =20 MC&SS - Labyrinth (Projekt)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Steve Roach and his
new box set release.  The Featured CD at = Midnight=20 will be "Recent Future," the
third disc from the "Mystic Chords & = Sacred=20 Spaces" boxed set on the Projekt
label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Firebird" by Tomita on RCA = Red=20 Seal.
 
I will play the music of some of the artists who will be performing = at=20 the
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.  I=20 will also
play music by Robert Rich who will be in concert at the = Soundscapes=20 Concert
Series in Bethlehem.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space  music  = show.  =20 Thursdays  at
11  pm  on  WDIY  88.1  = FM, =20 Allentown  and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton=20 and
Phillipsburg.     http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>       =20 All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To = subscribe to=20 the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy =20 and  click  on  [Join  This  Group!]
Host of = the=20 AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown  91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 = am.
Host=20 of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m         =20 http://soundscapes.us/~bil= l/afterglow
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh =20 and click  REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill = ;            =  =20 All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
 ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C33180.DB0DDE80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 08:10:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DC99b12760; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:09:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:09:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030613120902.56865.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:09:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Past and Present Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030613043421.75216.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-gaAcC.A.MHD.l7b6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > I have been listening to music from the CT Project... Terry (and anyone else who's interested), If ye so desire, c'mon and join us at We've been pretty much hibernating for a while, but we're starting to rear our heads again. The most recent projects to be finished were sort of wrapping up the loose ends of older ones that had fallen by the wayside, but there are some new ones in the pre-gestation stage. The instruments on your website give me an idea for a project proposal! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 09:45:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DDigd18705; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:44:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c331b2$4fb97600$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:47:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [151.199.47.248] at Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:44:35 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <7o_pAB.A.LkE.JVd6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com People say in Boston even beans do it.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:22 AM Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping > >And anybody can name instruments > >he/she plays but doesn't loop, or instruments which are totally inept for > >looping? > > I never heard of a piano player doing it... > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 09:48:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DDmAR19532; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:48:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <033201c331b2$6cfbd910$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030612174536.031ff698@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: looping ambient Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great, now i have to buy a another edp. my wife will be very pleased. seriously, i didn't realize that it was a sample level sync. that's pretty incredible. guess that could get expensive with the quickness. this information has me idly wondering if anyone would be willing to trade an edp for a repeater. i'm reluctant , however, because the repeater is out of production, and it does have some sweet functions. ah, deus sit propitius huic looptatori.... lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: looping ambient > At 01:20 PM 6/12/2003, Lance Chance wrote: > >yeah, i must admit that that i have not paired the two myself, i was just > >going on a couple of threads i saw here. > > it is really quite simple, just connect a midi cable between them and a trs > cable in the brothersync jacks. In th default settings it will work > immediately. > > >i am curious if that "bump" or > >"pop" or whatever happens when you brother sync EDPs. from my experience > >with sync and the loop point artifact, i would be naturally be inclined to > >say that it would, however, i would be delighted to find out that it didn't. > > no, it shouldn't have a pop because the BrotherSync allows them to sync at > the sample level. Things that sync only with midi clock would have this > problem since the resolution with midi is very coarse. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 10:03:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DE2OZ20700; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:02:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:04:40 -0400 Subject: Re: What are you (not) loopoing From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306131345.h5DDjnk18917@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I never heard of a piano player doing it... I have -- there's a guy in NYC named Randy Moore who does concerts with a Yahama electric grand piano, and edp and a percussionist -- huge rolling textures! We may do something together in the fall . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 10:09:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DE8ju21385; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:08:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:08:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c331b5$ac0bc540$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: What are you (not) loopoing Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:11:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [151.199.47.248] at Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:08:38 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That reminds me, I've seen Rodger Miller (x-Mission of Burma, Binary System - another drums and piano duo, and now... Mission of Burma) in Boston do it on a prepared piano using a "fripp-in-a-box" from EH :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: Re: What are you (not) loopoing > > > > I never heard of a piano player doing it... > > I have -- there's a guy in NYC named Randy Moore who does concerts with a > Yahama electric grand piano, and edp and a percussionist -- huge rolling > textures! We may do something together in the fall . . . > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 10:30:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DEN8P22892; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:23:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:23:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c331b7$aeec3e00$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <000801c331b2$4fb97600$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Looping Piano AND early recorded "rock" looping -- WAS Re: what are you (not) looping Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:25:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [151.199.47.248] at Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:23:02 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More on Roger Miller and his live looping 1983-1989 here.... http://rogermiller.home.mindspring.com/maximumexpansion.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:22 AM > Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping > > > > >And anybody can name instruments > > >he/she plays but doesn't loop, or instruments which are totally inept for > > >looping? > > > > I never heard of a piano player doing it... > > > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 11:20:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DFJKP28118; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:19:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:19:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:16:40 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008301c331be$ca8336d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Very strange problem.. could it be the merger is overflowing? mergers require a buffer and even a decent sized buffer can be swamped by cc messages and such... i notice you are only using it as a splitter. try removing that device (just give up on the connection back to the gr30 for the test) and see if the problem persists. note: this is a bit of a pie-in-the-sky test since buffer overflows usually result in erratic behavior, while you are getting repeatable (heh) behavior... to make sure you don't have a midi loop, which would definitely cause a buffer overflow, make sure the gr30 isn't passing in to out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 11:38:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DFaig29692; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:36:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:36:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030613153643.98192.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030613052025.56940.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Robert Michael wrote: > I use an FCB-1010 to control the Repeater. This pdl > brd has a MIDI merge feature that I used to use to > merge MIDI time code (from a Roland R-70) and the FCB > commands to the MIDI in of the Repeater. > > Repeater = MIDI ch. 1 > R-70 = MIDI ch. 10 (it can also transmit on 4 other > channels simultaneously) > > This worked ok for the most part--HOWEVER--I > discovered that if I used the R-70's Multi-timbral > capabilties--the symptoms you describe raise their > ugly head--random loops are cued--there was no > pattern--nor could this symptom be duplicated in any > predictable fashion (yes--I made certian that the drum > machine was not transmitting on the Repeater's MIDI > ch.). I had the same result with other mulit-timbral > drum machines (Boss DR-5 and DR-770) As long as I > transmitted only on one MIDI channel, everything was > fine--but let more that one channel transmit and chaos > would eventually ensue. > > At first I attributed this to one of the several bugs > with which most Repeater users live. Then as an > experiment, I used an external MIDI merge box as > opposed to merging with the FCB (I use a simple MIDI > Solutions 2 in/1 out box). This solved the problem > entirely! In fact--the Repeater has been a MUCH more > stable machine ever since. The problem is that something is being sent to the Repeater that it's interpreting as a loop select message. If you really want to know what's going on, you'd have to get a midi analyzer on the line to see exactly what's being sent. There's a software one for Windows called midiox that is available for free non-commercial use at www.midiox.com Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 12:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DG98W32608; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:09:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:09:06 -0700 Subject: Re: looping ambient Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <033201c331b2$6cfbd910$69894682@lance> Message-Id: <5C07F4DA-9DB9-11D7-83F7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 06:48 AM, Lance Chance wrote: > this information has me idly wondering if anyone would be willing to > trade an edp for a repeater. i'm reluctant , however, because the > repeater is out of production, and it does have some sweet functions. Yeah, I had two Repeaters and decided to sell on to fund an EDP. However, I ended up owing more tax than I thought so that, basically, was the end of that. I did have an EDP at one point, but it was extremely defective out of the box. Getting a replacement was going to be a problem at that point so I went with the second Repeater. When I was able to get the EDP to work I did have one major issue with it: MONO. I loop a lot of nice synth patches that have really cool stereo components. With a single EDP all that is lost. Not bad for live shows, but a shame in the studio. So... While an EDP is surely in my future, it will only be when I can afford a pair. Many can bad mouth the Repeater, but I get a ton of looping pleasure out of mine even though it's far from perfect. When you realize that it's a stereo looper for less than a single EDP it just makes more sense if you need a stereo looper. My advise is to keep the Repeater and wait until you can have dual EDPs and a Repeater. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 12:34:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DGWSu02573; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:32:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:32:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EE9FC94.1080904@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:32:20 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD Tshirts - Status and Long Sleeve Info References: <200306131346.h5DDkZo19008@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200306131346.h5DDkZo19008@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, Back from vacation and checking in... So far we have had only 14 orders for shirts and the deadline is coming up very soon. I know a lot more than 14 people expressed interest in getting shirts when the big 'Support LD' thread was going around, so I encourage you guys to go ahead and get your orders in BEFORE the deadline passes (June 18th). I am officially adding Long Sleeves as an option for an additional $6.50. Visit LoopersDelight for ordering information: http://www.loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-2003.html Send any other questions to me, offlist: jfink@cabq.gov Thanks! -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 12:46:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DGjWx04235; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:45:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:45:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:45:31 -0700 Subject: Re: attachment! From: Rick Latham To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EE9FC94.1080904@cabq.gov> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just noticed, I sent an attachment (habit) with the last email. If you can't open it, You should have all the info in the body text. Groove On, funkyrick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 13:00:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DGwT905612; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5381940.1055523507420.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:58:27 -0500 From: Michael Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping ambient Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5DGwSB05587 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really like my EDP and after getting it fixed and learning how to do a couple of things with it to make it useful in my live settings. However, the frustration I have had has been how to integrate this mono piece of gear within a rack rull of stereo gear. It is difficult taking a stereo mix (which for me is comprised sometimes of 4 or 5 different synths layered to create a particular sound/patch) and stuffing it through a mono box before sending it on to the house. I can see if I was playing a single monophonic instrument, then routing it to the EDP first and then maybe on to my Eclipse stereo reverb, etc., but that is not my situation. Maybe I am doing this wrong ... I know I have asked for guidelines about effective ways to set up my mix, but I really haven't found the solution I have been looking for. I used to have a Repeater, and even though it was really cool and was in stereo, it was severely limited in use with ambient pads and textures because of the bump/gap at the loop point. Its too bad Electrix wasn't able to come out with the fix that was promised about a year ago. Steve Ginn On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 11:09AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 06:48 AM, Lance Chance wrote: > >> this information has me idly wondering if anyone would be willing to >> trade an edp for a repeater. i'm reluctant , however, because the >> repeater is out of production, and it does have some sweet functions. > >Yeah, I had two Repeaters and decided to sell on to fund an EDP. >However, I ended up owing more tax than I thought so that, basically, >was the end of that. > >I did have an EDP at one point, but it was extremely defective out of >the box. Getting a replacement was going to be a problem at that point >so I went with the second Repeater. When I was able to get the EDP to >work I did have one major issue with it: MONO. I loop a lot of nice >synth patches that have really cool stereo components. With a single >EDP all that is lost. Not bad for live shows, but a shame in the >studio. > >So... > >While an EDP is surely in my future, it will only be when I can afford >a pair. Many can bad mouth the Repeater, but I get a ton of looping >pleasure out of mine even though it's far from perfect. When you >realize that it's a stereo looper for less than a single EDP it just >makes more sense if you need a stereo looper. My advise is to keep the >Repeater and wait until you can have dual EDPs and a Repeater. > >Mark Sottilaro > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 13:45:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DHi5510249; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:44:02 -0700 Subject: Re: looping ambient From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5381940.1055523507420.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My approach to using a mono-EDP in a largely stereo context has been to use the fact that the EDP is mono to distinguish it from the new or non-looped material. You can hear this in "Ashes/Rain" at: http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg I also get some stereo-ization after the EDP from the general ambience program on my AM8000R. This stuff is at least somewhat clearer on the CD than in the MP3 version, but you can hear the overall effect in the MP3 version. That being said, I'm planning on moving to stereo for at least some of my looping though the one round of a looping I did with a pair of EDPs actually used them for independent loops. (See the Loopstock 2002 excerpt at the above web site.) Mark P.S. Hmm. Looking at the web site reminds me that I need to change it to read "Cycletronic Guitar". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 14:12:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DIA8F13928; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:10:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:10:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:10:03 -0700 Subject: Re: looping ambient Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4174380D-9DCA-11D7-83F7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 10:44 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > My approach to using a mono-EDP in a largely stereo context has been > to use the fact that the EDP is mono to distinguish it from the new > or non-looped material. It's different looping a typically monaural source like guitar, as you can put processing after the looper, which even I don't think is optimal. The issue I have is that my sources are truly stereo and putting them into a mono looper would change their nature. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 14:21:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DIJiO14877; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:19:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:19:43 -0700 Subject: Re: looping ambient From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4174380D-9DCA-11D7-83F7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes. It was for looped HandSonic percussion that I really started feeling a real need for stereo. The percussion works dead down the middle, but it definitely looses something. But what I really need is a stereo amp modeler. I prefer putting my MM-4 in front of my DG-Stomp, but then I lose the stereo aspect. Mark on 6/13/03 11:10 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 10:44 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> My approach to using a mono-EDP in a largely stereo context has been >> to use the fact that the EDP is mono to distinguish it from the new >> or non-looped material. > > It's different looping a typically monaural source like guitar, as you > can put processing after the looper, which even I don't think is > optimal. The issue I have is that my sources are truly stereo and > putting them into a mono looper would change their nature. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 14:23:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DIM9W15200; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:22:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:22:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:22:03 -0700 Subject: MOTU's POLAR module Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, As I've said before, I wanted to spend some time looping with Mark of the Unicorn's POLAR module (part of Digital Performer 3 and 4) and this morning I did for a bit. While it does an amazing job of doing real time seamless looping, it has some major issues: No control of feedback or decay rate. You can make every pass it's own track for later use. You can do all sorts of fun routing to plug in effects. Your loop length is only governed by how much RAM you have, so you can have amazingly long loops. Maybe the longest of any digital looping device. But with no feedback control or decay function, it becomes mostly useless to me. Oh well. I sent a similar letter to MOTU, but I doubt it will change anything. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 14:34:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DIWlh16719; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:32:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:32:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c331da$2a1bc380$a401a8c0@red> From: "mark" To: References: <20030613052025.56940.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:32:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AHA!!!!!!!!!! NOW You may be on to something here, and interesting to note that you have weirdness with the FCB1010 and repeater... the Boss drummachine in my setup (pile of crap BTW dont buy it, wish id spent a little more for another groove thing) also transmits on a possible 3 channels, drums, internal bassline, and external. I have set to 10/11/11 so as to not use up midi channels, but there may be something in what you say... thanks for the clue, investigations continue... ...its not often we have blazing sunshine here in Oslo, however I am still in-doors trying every permutation... And heres a PS:, IM SURE you guys can answer!!! PS: Is there such a thing as a box which ...um... mutes and unmutes midi info... just to complicate things in my rig a little more a I wanna insert some kinda footswitch IN BETWEEN my guitar synth AND external module (Korg ms2000) so I can set the pitch on the Korg by my Git synth and then (STOMP!) it just carries on on that note/arpegio/seqence til (STOMP!)... if you see what I mean??? The Roland GR30 has this function on pedal 4 when you are arpegiating and I kinda wished it stopped external midi at the same time... geddit? Come on you GR30 owners, i know you're on this list, I've seen you... Im sure you can help in both my tech questions... what about you Sottilaro, you seem to have all the gear I have, come on, think man... think! Mark ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Michael" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! > CONGRATULATIONS--This is the first time I've seen a > tech. question go unanswered on this list. You seem > to have stumped LD! I was unable to view your diagram > for some reason--so this may not directly apply to > your situation--but I have have encountered a similar > symptom with the Repeater and have intended to > document it here ...hopefully you will find this > useful. > > I use an FCB-1010 to control the Repeater. This pdl > brd has a MIDI merge feature that I used to use to > merge MIDI time code (from a Roland R-70) and the FCB > commands to the MIDI in of the Repeater. > > Repeater = MIDI ch. 1 > R-70 = MIDI ch. 10 (it can also transmit on 4 other > channels simultaneously) > > This worked ok for the most part--HOWEVER--I > discovered that if I used the R-70's Multi-timbral > capabilties--the symptoms you describe raise their > ugly head--random loops are cued--there was no > pattern--nor could this symptom be duplicated in any > predictable fashion (yes--I made certian that the drum > machine was not transmitting on the Repeater's MIDI > ch.). I had the same result with other mulit-timbral > drum machines (Boss DR-5 and DR-770) As long as I > transmitted only on one MIDI channel, everything was > fine--but let more that one channel transmit and chaos > would eventually ensue. > > At first I attributed this to one of the several bugs > with which most Repeater users live. Then as an > experiment, I used an external MIDI merge box as > opposed to merging with the FCB (I use a simple MIDI > Solutions 2 in/1 out box). This solved the problem > entirely! In fact--the Repeater has been a MUCH more > stable machine ever since. > > Hopefully, this will info will prove useful to > someone... > > After gaining alot of useful info here and on the LD > site--thanks for providing the opportunity to > contribute. > > Cheers, > > Rob Michael > > > "Play something good...." > > > > After re-cabling my setup for a NEW-IMPROVED system, > (But addmittedly > > rather complex arrangement that may or may-not have > a midi loop in > > it..explanation follows). I have a VERY WEIRD > phenomena. The "loop > > select" changes as I play guitar (GR30 guitar > synth)... So there I am > > making a groovy loop and suddenly I notice the > display change loops to > > seemingly random loops. They dont actually play, > just cue them up. > > Now this midi routing DOES mean that the midi out > from the Guitar > > synth is getting to the repeater, but how can it > change loops just by > > playing the guitar??? I would understand if I was > changing patches on > > the synth but NOT NOTES!!! > > > > OK I know none of you midi geniui can help without > further in depth > > info so i have made a diagram of my rig at > > > > www.mark-red.com/midi_setup.swf > > > > > its not as complicated as it looks, > > It is basically a Electrix heavy looping rig > (repeater/filter > > factory/mofx) > > almost seperated from... > > a roland GR30 guitar synth midi'ed up to a Korg > MS2000 rack synth > > (THRU a Boss drummachine). There is a kinda loop > here (if you see the > > diagram) because I want the drummachine to send > clock to BOTH the > > git-synth AND the Korg synth (for both their > in-built arpegiators). > > however I am ALSO using the midi note from the git > synth to drive the > > korg... I KNOW I KNOW I could have > Drummachine>GR30>Korg synth ... but > > the korg doesnt seem to GET the clock-outa the > GR30... Cant find soft > > midi thru on it... > > HOWEVER... (sorry this is getting obtuse) IT DOES > WORK... the > > electrix rack synchs nicely to the drummachine and > the git synth plays > > at same speed and so does the Korg... luverly > jubbly... BUT THE > > F***ING LOOP NUMBERS CHANGE ON THE > REPEATER!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Anyone enjoy a challenge, spot the problem... > > > > Please you guys, I know you're the BEST > > > > Mark Red > > > > > > ............................... > > m a r k r e d > > www.mark-red.com > > ............................... > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 14:45:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DIiSi18270; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:44:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:44:20 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c331db$cd4adc20$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00d801c331da$2a1bc380$a401a8c0@red> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <59Nr6B.A.VdE.Muh6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Come on you GR30 owners, i know you're on this list, I've seen you... Im sure you can help in both my tech questions... what about you Sottilaro, you seem to have all the gear I have, come on, think man... think! =========================================================== Not Mark here but, ROFL, that's the kind of chutzpah that gets attention! I have a GR33 but did have a 30 and if I'm not mistaken there are several options with the arpeggiator, including whether you send midi out or not. Dig out that Roland manual my friend Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 15:04:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DJ1Pi20446; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:01:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:01:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:01:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00d801c331da$2a1bc380$a401a8c0@red> Message-Id: <6CA5BFAA-9DD1-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <5kgK2D.A.W_E.F-h6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not so fast sonny boy! I sold my GR-30 and replaced it with a Yamaha G50. Why? Not enough room on my floor! I didn't use it's arpeggiator much (I know, a big mistake on my part) as I always hated its sounds and have used it only to trigger a Roland XV-5050 and Korg MS2000r. I'm using the midi merge on the FCB1010 and I'm not having the same issues at all. Sorry. I'll be honest, I didn't look at your setup diagram, as I'm a bit busy these days (although I'm taking the day off!) I'll only give you one word of advise: simplify your setup. You may loose flexibility and features, but what you gain in stability and ease of use is well worth it. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 11:32 AM, mark wrote: > Come on you GR30 owners, i know you're on this list, I've seen you... > Im > sure you can help in both my tech questions... what about you > Sottilaro, you > seem to have all the gear I have, come on, think man... think! > > Mark > ............................... > m a r k r e d > www.mark-red.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 15:05:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DJ2rB20694; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:02:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:02:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c331de$63f3ab00$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <5C07F4DA-9DB9-11D7-83F7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: looping ambient Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:02:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" >When you > realize that it's a stereo looper for less than a single EDP it just > makes more sense if you need a stereo looper. My advise is to keep the > Repeater and wait until you can have dual EDPs and a Repeater. yeah, that's probably a good idea. you know, i think that i'm finally getting to a point in my gear development where i'm getting the whole context thing, at last. you can't help but notice that the edp and the repeater are like the perfect matched pair. one's a great leader, one's a great follower; one has stereo capabilities, one is real smooth and solid. it's like the work arounds with sync and signal flow that i was feeling forced into actually suggest themselves naturally anyway. smooth pad loops with sync and stereo would be great, but since so much of the content of my pads are low end, it's just as good mono or post effected. the repeater can handle percussive or strongly rhythmic signals just fine, so i can have nice stereo kit loops as well room for low end and mid range "lead" loops. actually, i think that what i really want to do is get another edp, sync them, and not use them in stereo but as separate signal generators for post effect processing. that way i could wash one out for my swirly pad track and still have nice sparkly frippian response on the other; and still have the whole repeater for everything else. alas, with the birth of the first child of my loins, i am no longer in the financial position to undertake such a venture... lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: Re: looping ambient > On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 06:48 AM, Lance Chance wrote: > > > this information has me idly wondering if anyone would be willing to > > trade an edp for a repeater. i'm reluctant , however, because the > > repeater is out of production, and it does have some sweet functions. > > Yeah, I had two Repeaters and decided to sell on to fund an EDP. > However, I ended up owing more tax than I thought so that, basically, > was the end of that. > > I did have an EDP at one point, but it was extremely defective out of > the box. Getting a replacement was going to be a problem at that point > so I went with the second Repeater. When I was able to get the EDP to > work I did have one major issue with it: MONO. I loop a lot of nice > synth patches that have really cool stereo components. With a single > EDP all that is lost. Not bad for live shows, but a shame in the > studio. > > So... > > While an EDP is surely in my future, it will only be when I can afford > a pair. Many can bad mouth the Repeater, but I get a ton of looping > pleasure out of mine even though it's far from perfect. When you > realize that it's a stereo looper for less than a single EDP it just > makes more sense if you need a stereo looper. My advise is to keep the > Repeater and wait until you can have dual EDPs and a Repeater. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 15:20:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DJIA723120; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:18:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:18:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2427537.1055531887778.JavaMail.sginn@mac.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:18:07 -0500 From: Michael Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping ambient Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is exactly my issue as well. All of my sources of sound generation except for one (my Akai EWI) are stereo sources. Steve On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 01:10PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 10:44 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> My approach to using a mono-EDP in a largely stereo context has been >> to use the fact that the EDP is mono to distinguish it from the new >> or non-looped material. > >It's different looping a typically monaural source like guitar, as you >can put processing after the looper, which even I don't think is >optimal. The issue I have is that my sources are truly stereo and >putting them into a mono looper would change their nature. > >Mark Sottilaro > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 15:23:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DJMas23881; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:22:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:22:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012c01c331e1$20ecd360$a401a8c0@red> From: "mark" To: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:22:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01C331F1.E43BA7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C331F1.E43BA7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Neil wrote: Dig out that Roland manual my friend Mark wrote: I'll only give you one word of advise: simplify your setup. Dear Neil, I can recite that damn manual. I wake inthe night screaming = "press pedal 4 CTRL/ARP/HAR, and while holding down the pedal, play one = or two strings....PAGE 54, 54 54 54 54 = 545.5...5...4.5..4....5.......ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz!! Dear Mark ARE YOU MAD???? Simplifiy my setup??? Have you been talking to = my girlfriend??? Ive only just begun!!! I have 3X 12 U racks full and = now I wanna buy some doepfer stuff and an EDP, and and and fill a few = more... I havent played live in years, though, dont suppose I will = either till I make some serious multicore from rack to floor... oh... = see what you mean... maybe you're right...damn.... BTW you are right about the sounds on GR30 of course, straight outa box = they're naff, but i mix and match the tones in such a weird way they = dont sound at all like they started, been thinking about a GR33, but = whats the diff REALLY... sounds??? I would like a choice of latching the = damper version of arpeggio and latching HOLD on/off and not having to = keep my foot on the pedal for a droney thing... but apart from that.. im = happy... ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C331F1.E43BA7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Neil wrote:  Dig out that Roland manual my friend
 
Mark wrote:  I'll only give you one word of advise: simplify = your=20 setup.
 
Dear Neil, I can recite that damn manual. I wake inthe night = screaming=20 "press pedal 4 CTRL/ARP/HAR, and while holding down the pedal, play = one or=20 two strings....PAGE 54, 54 54 54 54=20 545.5...5...4.5..4....5.......ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz!!
 
Dear Mark ARE YOU MAD???? Simplifiy my setup??? Have you been = talking to my=20 girlfriend??? Ive only just begun!!! I have 3X 12 U racks full and now I = wanna=20 buy some doepfer stuff and an EDP, and and and fill a few more... I = havent=20 played live in years, though, dont suppose I will either till I make = some=20 serious multicore from rack to floor... oh... see what you mean... maybe = you're=20 right...damn....
BTW you are right about the sounds on GR30 of course, straight outa = box=20 they're naff, but i mix and match the tones in such a weird way they = dont sound=20 at all like they started, been thinking about a GR33, but whats the diff = REALLY... sounds??? I would like a choice of latching the damper version = of=20 arpeggio and latching HOLD on/off and not having to keep my foot on the = pedal=20 for a droney thing... but apart from that.. im happy...
...............................
m  a  r =20 k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
................= ...............
 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C331F1.E43BA7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 15:26:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DJPUK24243; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c331e1$8cb439d0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: looping ambient Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:25:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yes. It was for looped HandSonic percussion that I really started feeling a > real need for stereo. that's exactly what i'm using my repeater for. or at least that's one of it's main functions. i use the edp for my guitar and bouzouki, tho. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: looping ambient > Yes. It was for looped HandSonic percussion that I really started feeling a > real need for stereo. The percussion works dead down the middle, but it > definitely looses something. > > But what I really need is a stereo amp modeler. I prefer putting my MM-4 in > front of my DG-Stomp, but then I lose the stereo aspect. > > Mark > > on 6/13/03 11:10 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 10:44 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > >> My approach to using a mono-EDP in a largely stereo context has been > >> to use the fact that the EDP is mono to distinguish it from the new > >> or non-looped material. > > > > It's different looping a typically monaural source like guitar, as you > > can put processing after the looper, which even I don't think is > > optimal. The issue I have is that my sources are truly stereo and > > putting them into a mono looper would change their nature. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 15:30:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DJSfD24731; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:28:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:28:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Lexistheoria@aol.com Message-ID: <125.22c38123.2c1b7fde@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:28:30 EDT Subject: Re: What are you looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com spirals In a message dated 6/12/03 12:30:52 PM, cello@zoekeating.com writes: << cello... >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 15:40:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DJcK726008; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:41:02 -0700 Subject: Re: MOTU's POLAR module Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark- Could you fake this by sending midi messages to lower the track volume while dumping to a new track? If you could set this up recursively it might work... ML On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 11:22 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey gang, > > As I've said before, I wanted to spend some time looping with Mark of > the Unicorn's POLAR module (part of Digital Performer 3 and 4) and this > morning I did for a bit. > > While it does an amazing job of doing real time seamless looping, it > has some major issues: No control of feedback or decay rate. You can > make every pass it's own track for later use. You can do all sorts of > fun routing to plug in effects. Your loop length is only governed by > how much RAM you have, so you can have amazingly long loops. Maybe the > longest of any digital looping device. > > But with no feedback control or decay function, it becomes mostly > useless to me. Oh well. I sent a similar letter to MOTU, but I doubt > it will change anything. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 15:55:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DJrw427688; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:53:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:53:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:53:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <012c01c331e1$20ecd360$a401a8c0@red> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5DJrwB27664 Resent-Message-ID: <9gkDfB.A.fwG.Wvi6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 12:22 PM, mark wrote: >   > Dear Mark ARE YOU MAD???? Uh, duh. Isn't it obvious by now! Sounds like we share the same name and mental disturbance. Weee! > Simplifiy my setup??? Have you been talking to my girlfriend??? No, but it sounds like your girlfriend has been talking to my wife! You've got chocolate on my peanut butter too! > Ive only just begun!!! I have 3X 12 U racks full and now I wanna buy > some doepfer stuff and an EDP, and and and fill a few more... Good GOD MAN! Stop while there's still time! > I havent played live in years, though, dont suppose I will either till > I make some serious multicore from rack to floor... oh... see what you > mean... maybe you're right...damn.... Yeah, I've told the tale where I tried to play live where I basically tried to bring my studio to a party. Total disaster. What seemed so simple and intuitive seemed so very scary in the dark. I'm sure with practice I could get it right, but instead I've decided to go another route. LESS. Here's a few of my new rules: Do not under any circumstances bring gear for other people. To have other's join in the fun I used to let people use my 2nd Repeater live. Bad move. This rule has crept into my studio too, but I'm more lax there. If you don't own it you can't use it. Bring one looper and one multi-effects. (that doesn't include guitar pre) Leave the drum machine home. Find a drummer if you want live percussion or some electronic beat/DJ guy to help out. If you can't find these, go ambient. > BTW you are right about the sounds on GR30 of course, straight outa > box they're naff, but i mix and match the tones in such a weird way > they dont sound at all like they started, been thinking about a GR33, > but whats the diff REALLY... sounds??? I fooled around with the GR-33 for a bit and couldn't hear a difference at all. > I would like a choice of latching the damper version of arpeggio and > latching HOLD on/off and not having to keep my foot on the pedal for a > droney thing... but apart from that.. im happy... I've been doing really cool stuff with the Korg MS2000r's arpeggiator which sounds like it behaves like you want it to. Lot's of knobs to tweak and it takes up 6 rack spaces! Sounds great too. Changed my mind about analog modeling. This is close enough for me. Good luck to you fellow Mark. I just listened to the Demo's on your site. (Butterhook) Fucking brilliant man. (good thing I have DSL! Big Flash site!) Do you need another "thing"? I think not. I've been trying to make myself work within limitations and it can indeed be liberating at times. If I'm ever in the UK, I'll stop by and we can have some tea. Mark Blue From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 15:58:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DJw5q28172; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:58:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:58:02 -0700 Subject: Call for petition!) Re: MOTU's POLAR module Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <56E76A10-9DD9-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I don't think it would work the way you mentioned, but this is the reply (very prompt!) I got from MOTU: > Yep, I'd like to see this in POLAR too. > > If MAS allowed feedback loops inside the DP mixer, you could set up DP > to > provide the feedback for you. Alas, this is not the case so a > workaround for > the time being would be to do the feedback in the analog realm. > > Use a mixer front end to control feedback into POLAR. Take the outputs > from > POLAR into the mixer along with your input and send the output of the > mixer > into a mult, splitter, or second set of mirrored outputs. One set of > outputs > is your monitor, the second set gets sent to the input of POLAR. Turn > the > input channel(s) from POLAR all the way down - this is your feedback > control. > > Sorry this is not ideal, but it should work. If I'm going to go through all that, I'll just use my Repeater. Good to put the bug in their ear though. Maybe if enough of us ask for this they'll listen? Worth a try. Send email to: suggestions@motu.com Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 16:12:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DK7j529314; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:07:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:07:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030613200739.93850.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:07:39 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200306131345.h5DDjnY18914@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've been looping piano (as well as other keyboard related instruments) for a few years now. I've heard Matthias mention something like this before and I've never understood it. It is such a natural fit, piano and looping. My current setup includes: Kurzweil PC2X with ribbon controller, 3 sustain type, and 2 volume type pedals Emu XL-7 with World Expedition, Proteus, and ZR ROM's Repeater with Digitech 3 button footswitch Mo-Fx, Filter Factory, Warp Factory, all from Electrix Roland MT-100 (I use it for just one sound) Mackie 1604 VLZ (very flexible signal router) BBE 482 KRK V8 studio monitors Plus guitar... Stephen >>And anybody can name instruments >>he/she plays but doesn't loop, or instruments which are totally inept for >>looping? >I never heard of a piano player doing it... Matthias Grob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 16:30:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DKRZm31007; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:27:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:27:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030613130957.0930f950@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:22:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Looping Piano AND early recorded "rock" looping -- WAS Re: what are you (not) looping In-Reply-To: <003401c331b7$aeec3e00$0affff0a@hppav> References: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <000801c331b2$4fb97600$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:25 AM 6/13/2003 -0400, David wrote: >That reminds me, I've seen Rodger Miller (x-Mission of Burma, Binary >System - another drums and piano duo, and now... Mission of Burma) in Boston >do it on a prepared piano using a "fripp-in-a-box" from EH :-) > >More on Roger Miller and his live looping 1983-1989 here.... >http://rogermiller.home.mindspring.com/maximumexpansion.html Nice catch! I remember that after leaving the 'Birdsongs of the Mesozoic', Miller went solo with his 'Maximum Electric Piano' project for a few years starting ~'83. I saw him here in Chicago around '86. He used the EH sixteen-second delay to lay down multiple parts -- including percussion from some of the 'prepared' strings in his piano -- which would then build from grooves to melodies to songs. It's not entirely unlike what I've heard in Andre's recordings (albeit on a much less sophisticated level). He's got a good stage presence for a solo performer, and an excellent sense of humor (cracking jokes at some of his missteps with the effects). Also, I think it's one of the few times I've heard a piano do feedback. ;) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 16:37:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DKYPx32004; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <175.1c005e28.2c1b8f4a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:34:18 EDT Subject: Re: Past and Present Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5DKYPB31979 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry, In a message dated 6/12/03 9:35:16 PM, electricgypsys@yahoo.com writes: >My first exposure to tape looping was . . . [snip] An "unknown" hippie guitarist named Randy Jones in Oxnard, California around 1972. Later Fripp and Eno, Reich, et all. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 19:44:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DNh6D15176; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:43:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:43:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:46:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Call for petition!) Re: MOTU's POLAR module Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: James Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <56E76A10-9DD9-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <33E5CE1A-9DF9-11D7-BA1C-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com doesn't Polar put new material into new memory slots, and can only loop until the machine runs out of memory? or did they change it? or am i grossly ignorant? btw, has anyone else noticed that the new 828 MkII would make a great budget substitute for a Switchblade? they implement Cuemix in hardware, and give you a front panel control for the mixer, and _presets_! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 19:53:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DNq6c15900; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:52:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:51:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Call for petition!) Re: MOTU's POLAR module Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <33E5CE1A-9DF9-11D7-BA1C-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: <050FE9CF-9DFA-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No POLAR doesn't have to work that way (but it can) You have a choice to put each new loop in it's own "slot" or you can just loop over the same one to save memory and build one big layer. You can alternate between the two loop types for maximum fun. At 1.5 gig of memory though, I could loop for a pretty long time with each iteration getting it's own slot, I think. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 04:46 PM, James Eric Williamson wrote: > doesn't Polar put new material into new memory slots, and can only > loop until the machine runs out of memory? > > or did they change it? or am i grossly ignorant? > > btw, has anyone else noticed that the new 828 MkII would make a great > budget substitute for a Switchblade? they implement Cuemix in > hardware, and give you a front panel control for the mixer, and > _presets_! > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 19:57:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5DNuX616370; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:56:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:56:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:56:31 -0700 Subject: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <050FE9CF-9DFA-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <30xVGB.A.p_D.xSm6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was doing some MIDI stuff with my Roland PC-300 controller and I was missing keyboard after touch, like my Ensonic TS-10 had. I liked that spongy extra you could give to a note instead of an expression wheel. Anyway, does anyone know if the Oxygen8 has this? The website didn't seem to mention it. Thanks, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 20:06:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E05pP17404; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:05:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.1639cbc6.2c1bc0d6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:05:42 EDT Subject: Re: Past and Present Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ac.1639cbc6.2c1bc0d6_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ac.1639cbc6.2c1bc0d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/13/03 8:09:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > If ye so desire, c'mon and join us at > > yes by all means do this we need new blood!.....:).....michael --part1_1ac.1639cbc6.2c1bc0d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/13/0= 3 8:09:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


If ye so desire, c'mon and join= us at
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CT-Collective/>


yes by all means do this we need new blood!.....:).....michael --part1_1ac.1639cbc6.2c1bc0d6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 20:19:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E0HF818148; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:17:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:17:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014201c3320a$4aa69a00$a401a8c0@red> From: "mark" To: References: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: midi note??? loop changes on Repeater? Very weird HELP!!!! Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 02:17:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I'm ever in the UK, I'll stop by and we can have some tea. well actually I live in Oslo now... but I am English... so tea is fine! And your very welcome... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 21:19:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E1I3121983; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:17:59 -0700 Subject: Re: looping ambient From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One other problem with mono loopers in a stereo chain is that it more or less forces the need for a mixer. The Jamman at least could pass a stereo signal through. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 21:21:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E1KHQ22230; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:20:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:20:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030613200435.02b93258@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:14:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch? In-Reply-To: References: <050FE9CF-9DFA-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:56 PM 6/13/2003 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Anyway, does anyone know if the Oxygen8 has this? The website didn't seem >to mention it. Not in the sense you're thinking of. The Oxy8 keyboard won't transmit aftertouch from key pressure, but there's an assignable dataslider. One of the parameters that can be quickly linked to this slider is aftertouch. In addition, I've not done it myself but I believe you can just as easily assign aftertouch to one of the eight controller pots. Keep in mind that there are also two other direct competitors for the Oxygen 8: the Novation 25 and the two-octave jobbie from Evolution (whose name I forget). One of them may be able to send aftertouch directly from keyboard pressure. Personally, if I were still in the market for a compact controller, I'd be looking pretty hard at the new Novation. The Oxy's working pretty well for me at the moment, however, so that's pretty much an unnecessary upgrade for the time being. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 21:33:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E1WAa22897; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:32:08 -0700 Subject: Re: looping ambient Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <035AE6C9-9E08-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very good point. A change like that would be easy to implement in the EDP I would imagine. I can't help but hope that one day Gibson will find it in its heart to release a stereo EDP. It will come with a nice footswitch and cost $700. The monkeys that fly out of my ass will encourage me to play more and your son will eat his veggies. This is my dream. Actually, I didn't mention it here, but I had a dream that I bought some Loop4 roms and decided to take apart a few old Macs to see if I could make an Echoplex. It was a very frustrating dream, what with me not knowing much about computer hardware and all. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 06:17 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > One other problem with mono loopers in a stereo chain is that it more > or > less forces the need for a mixer. The Jamman at least could pass a > stereo > signal through. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 21:43:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E1gMJ23629; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:42:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:42:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030613200435.02b93258@spamarrest.com> Message-Id: <6EB8E48E-9E09-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-Hs3YC.A.ExF.-1n6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, thanks for the info. Mark On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 06:14 PM, Catilyne wrote: > At 04:56 PM 6/13/2003 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Anyway, does anyone know if the Oxygen8 has this? The website didn't >> seem to mention it. > > Not in the sense you're thinking of. The Oxy8 keyboard won't transmit > aftertouch from key pressure, but there's an assignable dataslider. > One of the parameters that can be quickly linked to this slider is > aftertouch. In addition, I've not done it myself but I believe you > can just as easily assign aftertouch to one of the eight controller > pots. > > Keep in mind that there are also two other direct competitors for the > Oxygen 8: the Novation 25 and the two-octave jobbie from Evolution > (whose name I forget). One of them may be able to send aftertouch > directly from keyboard pressure. Personally, if I were still in the > market for a compact controller, I'd be looking pretty hard at the new > Novation. The Oxy's working pretty well for me at the moment, > however, so that's pretty much an unnecessary upgrade for the time > being. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 22:07:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E26GK25765; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:06:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:06:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030614020615.55384.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Loppers with past or present record deals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias, Actually the very first album I put out with some guitar looping on it was "Daemon" in 1985. Three of the tracks on it had looped guitar. Then I put out "Entering The Silence" which was all looped guitar. It first came out in Dallas, TX on Daemon Records in 1985, and was then picked up and re-released on OHP Records in Memphis, TN in 1988. I put out 14 more albums between 1985 and 1999 but none of them had any looped guitar on them. The next CD I put out that had any looped guitar was 15 years later. It was Trance Godz - "Trance World" in 2000. There are three tracks with looped guitar on that CD. There will be looped guitar on the CD I am working on currently. The echoplex and loop IV have inspired me. I recorded a new track last night actually. All the very best! Terry --- Matthias Grob wrote: > >I put out my first looping album in 1985. > >Entering The Silence - by Terry Blankenship > > wow! how many did you make since? > > my first was 87 > the second a month ago :-) > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 22:10:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E29WB26080; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:09:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:09:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030614020931.84853.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: guitar synthesizers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9Rb2pC.A.YXG.cPo6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a couple of guitar synths many years ago that were interesting at the time, but the tracking was bad enough for me to eventually give them up. I was curious if any has made a guitar synth that actually tracks well by now. What are the best guitar synths on the market in 2003? All the very best! Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 23:03:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E31rx29616; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:01:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:01:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030614020931.84853.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030614020931.84853.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:00:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8GP2L.A.oOH.hAp6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:09 PM -0700 6/13/03, Terry Blankenship wrote: >What are the best guitar synths on the market in 2003? For my money, the best interfaces these days are ones based on neural network technology: either the Axon AX-100 or the Yamaha G-50. _WAY_ better than the brute force period-counting approach used by 360 Systems, Roland, Korg, and earlier Yamaha units. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 23:18:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E3HRt30730; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:17:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:17:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c33223$46bf6b60$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <90BA2DC6-9C6D-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: FS EDPs in the UK... Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:15:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com high guys, I've got a couple of white-faced EDPs with Loop III software for sale. If you're in the UK and are interested, drop me an email... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 13 23:59:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E3wKK00987; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:58:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:58:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:03:33 -0400 From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3EE94D15.9A255516@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030614020931.84853.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I had a couple of guitar synths many years ago that were interesting > at the time, but the tracking was bad > enough for me to eventually give them up. I hear you! > I was curious if any has made a guitar synth that actually tracks well > by now. well if I may speak like an idiot for my money the best guitar "synthesizer' is still; one of the oldest the Roland GR300. NOT the GR700 or any of the series after that but the old blue floor unit 300. For more info hit up my Guitar synth pages at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/guitsyn.htm > What are the best guitar synths on the market in 2003? >From what I understand the newer Roland VG series operate differently than the rest of the GR series and they seem to track the best of the low end stuff. someone mention controllers such as Axon and I believe that may be the ticket if you can find and afford one. Personally i use an old Casio PG380 which i recent had totally gone over by the techs an NYCguitars who put in new capacitors, etc. In the sub $1000 mark it's the best midi controller I've played. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 03:45:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E7hpB13453; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:43:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:43:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 00:43:49 -0700 Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree, and I think that most people agree that at best, the Roland Guitar Synth sounds are fair. With enough layering and effects they can be passable, but why bother when there's a world of great synths out there. I find the tracking with my G-50 to be pretty good and it also doesn't take up additional floor space. There are even better Axon models now, but Yamaha seems out of that business more or less. One word of advise, when looking for a synth, try and find one that will allow a 24 + or - pitch bend range for the best results. My Roland XV-5050 does this, but my Korg MS2000R does not. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 08:00 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > At 7:09 PM -0700 6/13/03, Terry Blankenship wrote: >> What are the best guitar synths on the market in 2003? > > For my money, the best interfaces these days are ones based on neural > network technology: either the Axon AX-100 or the Yamaha G-50. > > _WAY_ better than the brute force period-counting approach used by 360 > Systems, Roland, Korg, and earlier Yamaha units. > > Chris > > -- > | In theory, there is no difference between > http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. > cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 03:45:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E7haK13421; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030614074335.53873.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 00:43:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: feedback settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What have you discovered to be the best feedback setting if you are going to use the echoplex to play one long improvisation, so you can still hear the new things you are playing, while the things you played before gradually fade away, and things don't get too saturated. I'm experimenting myself right now, but have decided what setting I like best yet. Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 03:59:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E7wc414073; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:58:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:58:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: feedback settings Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:58:27 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000601c3324a$bd441430$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <20030614074335.53873.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5E7wbB14046 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Terry Blankenship [mailto:electricgypsys@yahoo.com] > What have you discovered to be the best feedback > setting if you are going to use the echoplex to play > one long improvisation, so you can still hear the new > things you are playing, while the things you played > before gradually fade away, and things don't get too > saturated. > > Terry Hi, You should really try to use a pedal for feedback. IMHO it's so much easier to listen to the best feedback level than to worry about it in numbers. With a midi feedback pedal, like the Behringer FCB1010 I'm using, you will also see the new feedback level displayed on the EDP front as you touch the pedal (maybe the EDP loop4 displays feedback changes also when using an analogue pedal? Don't know, but someone might fill in here?) Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 04:17:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E8FtC14954; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:15:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:15:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Loop music for download Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:15:45 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000901c3324d$276580e0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <18e.1baaf847.2c1aff35@aol.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5E8FsB14933 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, Listening to your stuff was inspiring ;-) I liked the sudden change in Teleportation, with that bouncing guitar chord. Reminds me of a wish I have to start improvising also some dancy music with the EDP. If I'll get this together for my next gig on Aug 9 I'll invite some rappers to join me for an "open mic impro". I like the last sentence of your web page: "Hope you're only reading this 'cos you're waiting for the music to download" ;-D Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Skickat: den 13 juni 2003 12:20 > Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Ämne: Loop music for download > > > The last gig I did was taped, > and I enjoyed it so there's > now a 30 min set of my music on > > www.andybutler.com > > no edits, reverb or anything, > warts'n'all > kind of "sketch book" versions maybe, > of my more "composed" stuff > > 1. backwater.....version of my studio track with the EDP 8th replace > "sequencer stuff". > > 2. hanging garden.......surf guitar gamelan > > 3. moonset ..... slow "orchestral" type, no loops as such, but uses > an "infinite hold " vortex patch, (small loops?) > > 4. a couple of zappa tunes......dumb loop guitar stuff > > 5. teleportation.....did you know you could do that with the > EDPs nextloop? > > maybe this is Vortex-Music?? > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 04:31:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E8Taa15567; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:29:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:29:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:32:34 -0500 Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, June 14, 2003, at 02:43 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > One word of advise, when looking for a synth, try and find one that > will allow a 24 + or - pitch bend range for the best results. My > Roland XV-5050 does this, but my Korg MS2000R does not. my friend Jim (an Axon owner) is convinced the coolest synth for guitar use is the Korg Z1. it can do a multi with 6 parts, does +/-24 steps bend, and has VA/FM/physical modelling sounds. unfortunately it doesn't fit in a rack. it's quite the bummer ... i could use a whole rack of Z1s. not for guitar synth, though ... that's what my GR-300 is for :). too bad none of the guitarists i play with like my 300. it has this really shitty strat body with a japistrat neck and a humbucker in the middle position. the LFO depth doesn't work, and it doesn't seem as bright as the 300 should sound ... like the filter cutoff stops at 8k or something. the handles are also missing from the top of the floor unit. it's pretty ghetto. also, my favourite current guitar synth is the Boss Wave Processor pedal. it's about 200-250 bucks, it's small, it tracks well (it's more like a miniVG than a GR), and has the cool sawtooth wave. if i were i guitarist (and i didn't have a 300) i'd probably have one of those and use it as a sound source with a modular synth. it's also got a cool fake sitar mode which sounds pretty cool. although, when i was trying it out at the music store, some weird drunk dude with a mullet came up to me and said "why'd you want that!?!? it don't have HORNS!!" and i said "what do i need horns in a guitar synth for? i want a guitar SYNTH," to which he replied "so you don't have to HIRE them!!! horns are expensive!!!" --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 05:13:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E9BgD18023; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:11:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019101c33254$f45293c0$a401a8c0@red> From: "mark" To: References: <20030614020931.84853.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:11:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry. >I was curious if any has made a guitar synth that > actually tracks well by now. it depends on you playing style. in my opinion the Roland GR30 and 33 have got it pretty good, But still, if you are playing at all fast or tricky it'll seem to lag behind which is very like playing in a big hall where you can hear yer amp, only the PA:... But... I also had a guitar synth years ago, it was a monophonic thing from Korg I forget the model-number, X something.and I hear it on OLD recording Idid then, and I WANT IT BACK... I loved the mis-tracking on it! it was so cool, especially on the er...trumpet patch, it would be fine for a while then you held anote and after a short moment it would swWOOOPP up an octave and find a harmonic, gut often not THE harmonic... just any ole harmonic, then die with a weeeee-bang! And playing chords on it?...(its was monophonic) phew! man O' man, it was like Zorn meets Brotzman, squealing pig stuff FANTASTIC, anyone got one they dont want??? SHIT im heading E-bay way RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! M ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" To: Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:09 AM Subject: guitar synthesizers > I had a couple of guitar synths many years ago that > were interesting at the time, but the tracking was bad > enough for me to eventually give them up. > > I was curious if any has made a guitar synth that > actually tracks well by now. > > What are the best guitar synths on the market in 2003? > > All the very best! > Terry > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 05:22:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E9Ktr18510; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:20:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:20:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030614032718.009d5b40@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:27:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers In-Reply-To: <20030614020931.84853.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, not TADA! Insomnia Girl! this time, -just got home from a gig and am not quite tired yet, so I thought I'd write. lol! The synths that I like, which track well enough for my tastes, actually aren't technically synths at all. The Roland VG series of processors, and GT series both use harmonic restructuring of the guitar signal to produce synth-like tones, which track incredibly well, and have great organic feel, and are extremely expressive. I do thing the GR-30 tracks quite well also, so perhaps the 33 does too. -Hope this helps... Smiles, Cara At 07:09 PM 6/13/03 -0700, you wrote: >I had a couple of guitar synths many years ago that >were interesting at the time, but the tracking was bad >enough for me to eventually give them up. > >I was curious if any has made a guitar synth that >actually tracks well by now. > >What are the best guitar synths on the market in 2003? > >All the very best! >Terry > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! News - Today's headlines >http://news.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 05:30:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5E9TVr19078; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:29:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:29:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030614033555.009d8230@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:35:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: feedback settings In-Reply-To: <20030614074335.53873.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2wjX8.A.9pE.6ru6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Terry, For the most part, I keep feedback at 100% since I tend to change from one idea to another in several different ways, but when I do use feedback to create fades, I do it dynamically. In other words, I keep feedback at 100%, and decrease it to fade a moteif to an appropriate level, and then return it to 100%. -Hope this helps... Smiles, Cara At 12:43 AM 6/14/03 -0700, you wrote: >What have you discovered to be the best feedback >setting if you are going to use the echoplex to play >one long improvisation, so you can still hear the new >things you are playing, while the things you played >before gradually fade away, and things don't get too >saturated. > >I'm experimenting myself right now, but have decided >what setting I like best yet. > >Terry > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 08:37:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ECZbi28007; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:35:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:35:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030614074335.53873.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030614074335.53873.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:35:28 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: feedback settings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What have you discovered to be the best feedback >setting if you are going to use the echoplex to play >one long improvisation, so you can still hear the new >things you are playing, while the things you played >before gradually fade away, and things don't get too >saturated. > >I'm experimenting myself right now, but have decided >what setting I like best yet. The Feedback Pedal is my main tool for structuring the music. Its full when I am building and feel well with a scene and I reduce it to advance and renovate the music. It can also be used shortly to replace single notes or bring a "wave" into to loop. Maybe you would like doing a search on the mailing archive, we have been thinking a lot about Feedback :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 08:55:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ECsIM28896; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:54:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:54:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c33274$0d689a20$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <20030614074335.53873.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: feedback settings Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:54:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3327C.6F0E0870" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2003 12:54:16.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[10271DE0:01C33274] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3327C.6F0E0870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree there is rarely a 'ideal' setting it needs to change and flow = with the music ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: Re: feedback settings > >What have you discovered to be the best feedback > >setting if you are going to use the echoplex to play > >one long improvisation, so you can still hear the new > >things you are playing, while the things you played > >before gradually fade away, and things don't get too > >saturated. > > > >I'm experimenting myself right now, but have decided > >what setting I like best yet. >=20 > The Feedback Pedal is my main tool for structuring the music. > Its full when I am building and feel well with a scene and I reduce=20 > it to advance and renovate the music. > It can also be used shortly to replace single notes or bring a "wave"=20 > into to loop. >=20 > Maybe you would like doing a search on the mailing archive, we have=20 > been thinking a lot about Feedback :-) > --=20 >=20 >=20 > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3327C.6F0E0870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree there is rarely a 'ideal' = setting it=20 needs to change and flow with the music
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthias Grob" <matthias@grob.org>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 1:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: feedback = settings

> >What have you discovered to be the best = feedback
>=20 >setting if you are going to use the echoplex to play
> >one = long=20 improvisation, so you can still hear the new
> >things you are = playing,=20 while the things you played
> >before gradually fade away, and = things=20 don't get too
> >saturated.
> >
> >I'm = experimenting=20 myself right now, but have decided
> >what setting I like best=20 yet.
>
> The Feedback Pedal is my main tool for structuring = the=20 music.
> Its full when I am building and feel well with a scene = and I=20 reduce
> it to advance and renovate the music.
> It can = also be=20 used shortly to replace single notes or bring a "wave"
> into to=20 loop.
>
> Maybe you would like doing a search on the = mailing=20 archive, we have
> been thinking a lot about Feedback :-)
> = --=20
>
>
>=20           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>=20
> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3327C.6F0E0870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 12:02:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5EG0mB07893; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030614020931.84853.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030614020931.84853.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:57:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:09 PM -0700 6/13/03, Terry Blankenship wrote: >I was curious if any has made a guitar synth that >actually tracks well by now. The Yamaha G50 (with neural net technology licensed from Blue Chip) works well. The new Rolands are good, too (I have the GR-30). Also from Roland, the V-guitar systems are great - not guitar synths in the same sense (no MIDI conversion, for instance), but tracking isn't an issue and the range of sounds is useful. As to sounds, my favorite tone modules for MIDI guitar are the Yamaha VL-70m and FS1R. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 12:14:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5EGCad09105; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:12:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:16:29 -0400 From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3EE9F8DD.5DA75014@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030614020931.84853.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> <019101c33254$f45293c0$a401a8c0@red> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > But... I also had a guitar synth years ago, it was a monophonic thing from > Korg I forget the model-number, X something. Korg X-911. Table top sized monophonic guitar synth with a few preset sounds "tuba" "flute" etc LOL! and a synth section with sweepable Filter Cutoff, a MS series VCO and a great autowah section. 1/4" input for the guitar audio signal and a few additional inputs for CV/gate so you could theoretically run it as a synthesizer from a midi/cv convertor. http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~kbrunner/effects/x-911.htm > and I hear it on OLD recording Idid then, and I WANT IT BACK... I loved the > mis-tracking on it! it was so cool, especially on the er...trumpet patch, it > would be fine for a while then you held anote and after a short moment it > would swWOOOPP up an octave and find a harmonic, gut often not THE harmonic... > just any ole harmonic, then die with a weeeee-bang! And playing chords on > it?...(its was monophonic) phew! man O' man, it was like Zorn meets Brotzman, > squealing pig stuff FANTASTIC, It does track like ass and it's truly amazing. I shoudl point out it's all analog synth in there. the "presets" were horrid approximations made up of square and saw waves etc. nice. To hear it in action download the clip for the song "3 in 3" from my band Overdrive Date Master. I'm playing scratch chords into the monophonic VCO as well as using the autowah on a separate track. It's coughing and spitting and mistracking like nobody's business :) http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/odm.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 12:23:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5EGN9b10070; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:23:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030613200435.02b93258@spamarrest.com> References: <050FE9CF-9DFA-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030613200435.02b93258@spamarrest.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:15:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:14 PM -0500 6/13/03, Catilyne wrote: >the two-octave jobbie from Evolution http://www.evolution.co.uk/moreinfo/hardware/pro25c.htm http://www.evolution.co.uk/moreinfo/pdf/keyboard_a4.pdf No aftertouch on any of the Evolution models. Don't be confused by their use of "touch sensitive." They're talking about velocity. I have the MK-361C. Pretty good for the price. 61 keys and 16 programmable knobs. For a compact controller I'd go for the Novation ReMOTE 25. It has aftertouch and "semi-weighted" keys. http://www.novationmusic.com/nov_route/docs/prods/remote25/remote25_over.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 12:37:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5EGakX11125; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:36:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:36:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:38:24 -0400 From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com Subject: Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3EEB4F80.BAD462BF@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <050FE9CF-9DFA-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030613200435.02b93258@spamarrest.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My fav portable controller is the old novation bassStation keyboard (which also has a nice analog synth built in coincidentally :)). No aftertouch on the keys but you can assign it via the mod wheel apparently. the feel of this keyboard is the perfect 'synth' action IMO and I use it to enter stuff on my MC505, samplers, etc all the time. If the new novation unit uses a similar feeling keyboard it sounds like that would be the ticket. SPECS: Keyboard 2 octave (transposable over 8 octaves) full size, velocity sensitive keys. Pitch Bend 0 to 12 Semi-tones. Wheel 7 bit resolution Controller Assignable to LFO Mod depth Wheel and/or Filter Cut-off Frequency, After-touch or MIDI Volume http://www.novationmusic.com/nov_route/docs/prods/arch/bass_station_keyb.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 13:08:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5EH6ZT14028; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:06:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 18:03:19 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Eberhard Weber Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2003 17:06:28.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B853F20:01C33297] Resent-Message-ID: <6jHMZB.A.EbD.bY16-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Just thought I'd mention that BBC Radio 3 (UK) broadcast the recent Jan Garbarek group concert recorded a couple of weeks ago at the Bath Festival. As part of the gig, Eberhard Weber played a long bass solo followed by two looped pieces. He was my own introduction to "live looping" (I use the term far too loosely I know!). I first saw him play in an art gallery auditorium Bristol - two hours of solid bass looping and it was wonderful. Anyway, you can hear the concert (and the looping part appears about 40 mins in) although my attention is on Jan Garbarek's playing too. try www.bbc.co.uk/radio3 then follow the links to "listen again" the programme was broadcast on Friday 13th June and it was called "Jazz on 3" Regards. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 14:26:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5EIP6o19920; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 14:25:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 14:25:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030614112215.01dc6db8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:25:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: feedback settings In-Reply-To: <000601c3324a$bd441430$862159d5@LILLPELLE> References: <20030614074335.53873.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:58 AM 6/14/2003, Per Boysen wrote: >With a midi feedback pedal, like the Behringer FCB1010 I'm >using, you will also see the new feedback level displayed on the EDP >front as you touch the pedal (maybe the EDP loop4 displays feedback >changes also when using an analogue pedal? Don't know, but someone might >fill in here?) with LoopIV the Echoplex displays the feedback value whenever it is being changed. It doesn't matter if it is changed by midi or by the feedback pedal or by the front panel knob. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 18:50:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5EMnSk04820; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 18:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 18:49:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030614154524.03e9bd00@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 15:49:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping In-Reply-To: References: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:22 AM 6/13/2003, Matthias Grob wrote: >>And anybody can name instruments >>he/she plays but doesn't loop, or instruments which are totally inept for >>looping? > >I never heard of a piano player doing it... I believe Oscar Peterson has a couple of echoplexes, although I haven't heard what he does with them. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 21:16:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F1F4n14392; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c332db$c463b040$a9c4590c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <5.1.1.6.2.20030614154524.03e9bd00@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:16:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias wrote > >I never heard of a piano player doing it... Kim responded: > I believe Oscar Peterson has a couple of echoplexes, > although I haven't heard what he does with them. and Cino says: when you have 10 fingers like Mr. Peterson's, why do you need an echoplex? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 21:16:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F1FQO14444; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:15:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:15:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 18:14:47 -0700 Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <019101c33254$f45293c0$a401a8c0@red> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 6/14/03 2:11 AM, mark at mark@mark-red.com wrote: > But... I also had a guitar synth years ago, it was a monophonic thing from > Korg I forget the model-number, X something.and I hear it on OLD recording > Idid then, and I WANT IT BACK... I loved the mis-tracking on it! it was so > cool, especially on the er...trumpet patch, it would be fine for a while > then you held anote and after a short moment it would swWOOOPP up an octave > and find a harmonic, gut often not THE harmonic... just any ole harmonic, > then die with a weeeee-bang! And playing chords on it?...(its was > monophonic) phew! man O' man, it was like Zorn meets Brotzman, squealing pig > stuff FANTASTIC, anyone got one they dont want??? SHIT im heading E-bay way > RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Line6 FM4 (http://www.line6.com/products.asp?ID=75&action=1&item=123&tp=0) does a moderately good job at emulating a coughing, sputtering guitar synth. It's even got a model of the X911 but with many fewer parameters. I've got an FM4 that I'd part with for a reasonable price (I generally look at 10% off of Prepal but I'll look at other approaches to determining value) plus shipping. It's an interesting sound mangler, it's foot switchable, it's solidly built, but I just don't tend to mangle my sounds in the way it's built for. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 14 23:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F36lS20441; Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:06:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:06:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c0.b1a115b.2c1d3cc0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:06:40 EDT Subject: little loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com happy fathers day if it fits.....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 01:01:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F50Rj28114; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:00:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:00:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030614214403.03a39e78@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:54:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping In-Reply-To: <004f01c332db$c463b040$a9c4590c@u73x0> References: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <5.1.1.6.2.20030614154524.03e9bd00@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-binmC.A.G3G.r1_6-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:16 PM 6/14/2003, Cino wrote: >Matthias wrote > > >I never heard of a piano player doing it... > >Kim responded: > > I believe Oscar Peterson has a couple of echoplexes, > > although I haven't heard what he does with them. > >and Cino says: >when you have 10 fingers like Mr. Peterson's, why do you need an echoplex? >;-) you may be surprised, it seems he has quite a sophisticated electronic music studio. There are a couple of pictures on his web site where you can see parts of it: http://www.oscarpeterson.com/op/athomeframe.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 01:25:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F5Oqh29632; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:24:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:24:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615052451.87775.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Fripp Interviews To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Fripp's sister has put out a series of interviews with him. There are a few samples here: http://www.robertfrippunplugged.com/ Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 01:33:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F5WO030203; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:32:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615053222.10231.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Frippertronics and soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <63uPvC.A.xXH.nTA7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just checked Fripp's discography. I haven't listened to any of his work since 1988. I noticed that he had a lot of solo albums with frippertronics and soundscapes. Have any of you heard any of his more recent soundscape CDs and what did you think? http://www.elephant-talk.com/discog/fripp/indexf.html Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 02:30:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F6Tmb00977; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:29:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EEC113E.D753047F@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:25:01 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes References: <20030615053222.10231.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Terry, Terry Blankenship wrote: > > I just checked Fripp's discography. I haven't listened > to any of his work since 1988. I noticed that he had a > lot of solo albums with frippertronics and > soundscapes. Have any of you heard any of his more > recent soundscape CDs and what did you think? What I think is that Robert's more recent soundscapes work, while much more technologically involved than the old reel-to-reel tape loop system, is still coming largely from the "long delay paradigm." So now he's using multiple TC electronics delays instead of Revox tape decks, and guitar synths and Eventide processors instead of a 1970's pedalboard... but the overall concept of looping that he's using, to my ears, is still based in the ambient tape loop/long delay school of thought that he was working with thirty years ago (which in turn was taken pretty directly from the Terry Riley/Tape Music Center concept from several years before that). I like a lot of Robert's stuff, and he was certainly a factor in my taking an interest in looping in the first place. But I also think that his popularity in the guitar-loop realm has been a double-edged sword, in the sense that a lot of people have assumed that whatever Robert is doing represents the be-all end-all apex of what's aesthetically, stylistically, or technologically possible with real-time looping. I honestly think this has held back a lot of player's imaginations, because using something like an Echoplex or a Repeater to substitute for a Revox tape deck or a long delay is sort of like using a G4 Macintosh computer just for word processing and playing Tetris. There's nothing WRONG with that, and if that's what you want to do, go right ahead. But it's important to know what else is possible, both technically and aesthetically, beyond what one might be used to expecting. There are a lot of paradigms beyond the minimalist and ambient schools that looping has crept into over the last thirty years since the first Fripp and Eno record, and a lot of players whose use of looping is in no way indebted to Robert's style of playing. Certainly, if ambient or minimalism is your thing, you can still do that with looping, probably now better than ever. But there's an awful lot of other possibilities with looping being done now, and waiting to be done, that was unthinkable thirty years ago, and that Fripp hasn't even remotely touched on in his own work. And that, personally, is infinitely more intriguing to me. Geoff Smith recently web-published a rather controversial (but very in-depth) history of looping here: http://livelooping.com/researchpaper/index.htm I think his chapter on Fripp and Eno, and his assessment of their impact, is very on target, and puts their work into an appropriate context with regards to what came before and after. Anyway... --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 04:19:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F8I0K07470; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: A Name for Loop Activity Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:17:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Fellow Inmates-- I was ruminating on the application of looping technology and came up with a new label: Audio Acrobatics Scoff if you will--heck, I'll be bummed if you don't-- But it was inspired by Ted Killian's juggling metaphor, as well as spinning plates . . . Hi Ho, Gary Lehmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 04:44:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F8i5313581; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: RE: guitar synthesizers Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 03:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c3331a$45bd3560$0202a8c0@ALMMOBILE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the GR33 with RMC acoustic Gold pickups on my Olson. I like the upright and fretless bass sounds and the trumpet, flutes and actually a lot of the sounds ( for a synth). I tried the Axon AX100SB and I thought those sounds sucked big time and the tracking was not that much better which I was really hoping it would be. I tried to use the Axon to trigger the GR33 sounds and that didn't work very well since you couldn't adjust the tracking between patches on the Axon. I guess at this point I'm not looking for groovy synth pad stuff but more "real" sounds for looping and I tried a Proteus (I forget which model but is was around $500) and the Axon and I wasn't digging those sounds. If anyone has suggestions I'd love to hear. Also if anyone knows what might track better than what I am using but that would still allow me to access the GR33 sounds that would be cool too. Thanks, Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 1:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers I agree, and I think that most people agree that at best, the Roland Guitar Synth sounds are fair. With enough layering and effects they can be passable, but why bother when there's a world of great synths out there. I find the tracking with my G-50 to be pretty good and it also doesn't take up additional floor space. There are even better Axon models now, but Yamaha seems out of that business more or less. One word of advise, when looking for a synth, try and find one that will allow a 24 + or - pitch bend range for the best results. My Roland XV-5050 does this, but my Korg MS2000R does not. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 08:00 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > At 7:09 PM -0700 6/13/03, Terry Blankenship wrote: >> What are the best guitar synths on the market in 2003? > > For my money, the best interfaces these days are ones based on neural > network technology: either the Axon AX-100 or the Yamaha G-50. > > _WAY_ better than the brute force period-counting approach used by 360 > Systems, Roland, Korg, and earlier Yamaha units. > > Chris > > -- > | In theory, there is no difference between > http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. > cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 05:35:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F9Ylj18462; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:34:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:34:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <124.22ec8629.2c1d97b4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:34:44 EDT Subject: feedback settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What have you discovered to be the best feedback > setting if you are going to use the echoplex to play > one long improvisation, so you can still hear the new > things you are playing, while the things you played > before gradually fade away, and things don't get too > saturated. Use the pedal dynamically. You could try Loop/Delay= rPL (Replace Mode) if you have an analog pedal. Then you hear the way the volume of the loop changes straight away without having to wait for the whole loop to pass. Allows you to dynamically mix the loop volume as you add new material. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 06:06:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5F9ucq20074; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:59:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030615053222.10231.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <14966D44-9F18-11D7-9CF7-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 12:32 AM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > soundscapes. Have any of you heard any of his more > recent soundscape CDs and what did you think? what do i think of it? well, i like his tape delay work. my favourite frippertronics record is God Save The Queen/Under Heavy Manners, as it's kind of a good catch-all album for what he was trying to accomplish at the time. soundscapes (being his work from 1994 and beyond) is a different story ... i would say that it is of personal spiritual significance second only to Bach's liturgical music. what that man can do with a sawtooth wave, delay, and a pitch shifter is ubelievable to me. i'm not saying that it's "better" than what other masters of looping such as David Torn (who is also close to my heart) or Andre (whose rhythmic looping work impresses me greatly) or Robert Rich (who is definitely _the_ master of ambient music for my money), i'm just saying that i feel an intense spiritual connection to the music. i enjoy the new Crimson albums, but if it needs to stop i can live with that. however, if Bob came out in his journal saying that he was throwing in the towel with soundscapes, it would make me cry. i would really like to hear more "applied soundscapes" work like on nineties albums by the Grid, the Beloved, and No-Man. that Beloved album in particular is very sweet. i think that Bob doesn't think anyone likes his soundscapes discs, and i know very few people that listen to them regularly. one sound engineer friend of mine in particular feels the need to complain about Fripp's "colostomy bag" playing whenever he talks about his favourite rock band: king crimson. although i think he may just be tweaking me on that ... Andre made the (well-observed) point that Bob's Long Delay Stuff is not the only application of looping, and that there are much more avenues in looping to explore as a solo musician and one shouldn't get too swept up in the Fripp style so as to shut the doors to those other directions. i think that's important to remember as well, but i totally ignore that warning. i prefer to construct much of my rhythmic and structural enviornment within the sequencer (i use Numerology, for it is highly suited to improvisitory sequencey music), and my interest in looping is (and has always been) highly derivative of Fripp and Torn's textural side ... without shame. when i had a band (which was an organ/guitar/drums thing) i would often start up the Ambient Machine in the middle of a soul or reggae tune and build a loop with my right hand on a synthesiser (my left hand and foot stayed on the organ and played the bass) while the guitar player soloed. or when my solo came i'd build a "suitscape" with the synth and then play the solo proper with upper manual of the Hammond. for that application (ethereal texture as a "sonic glue"), i think there's plenty more mileage in the long-delay-with-sustained-tones-and-signal-processing paradigm of working. btw, harmonised delay loops sound AMAZING through a valve Leslie! now, the guitarist i'm currently playing with likes doing the ethereal stuff, but he knows i'm more into that. so he makes more quirky, rhythmic loops. he's doing so well with it that i gave him my TSR-24 for his birthday, because i thought he deserved it for doing so much with so little (he does rhythmic loops with my old RDS-8000, which i also gave him, and and old analogue delay rack unit. i think doing rhythmic looping with an RDS is pretty balls.) i'm really proud of him for stretching so much with the delay line (both figuratively and literally: he loves that Time knob!). --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 13:12:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FHBTb13600; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:11:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Tritone3@aol.com Message-ID: <68.318a53c5.2c1e02b9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:11:21 EDT Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_68.318a53c5.2c1e02b9_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_68.318a53c5.2c1e02b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a guitar player I need to through in my 2-cents worth on the "Synth Thing". I also us the Roland GR-30 with the GK-Kit pickup installed in a Strat (with EMG's by the way). I like the kit in that I have easier access to the control functions. And I don't have this monstrosity of a controller (GK-2) on the top of my guitar. As with most synths out there, the sounds that work well are great. And the ones that don't are awful. Does anybody know much about the Synclavier? I've seen both Pat Metheny and John McLauglin use them live (as well as on recordings). Based on what I've seen and heard the Synclavier is a very impressive tool. I know they're not cheap, but I do not know if they are still being manufactured. --part1_68.318a53c5.2c1e02b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a guitar player I need to=20= through in my 2-cents worth on the "Synth Thing". I also us the Roland GR-30= with the GK-Kit pickup installed in a Strat (with EMG's by the way). I like= the kit in that I have easier access to the control functions. And I don't=20= have this monstrosity of a controller (GK-2) on the top of my guitar. As wit= h most synths out there, the sounds that work well are great. And the ones t= hat don't are awful.
Does anybody know much about the Synclavier? I've seen both Pat Metheny and=20= John McLauglin use them live (as well as on recordings). Based on what I've=20= seen and heard the Synclavier is a very impressive tool. I know they're not=20= cheap, but I do not know if they are still being manufactured. --part1_68.318a53c5.2c1e02b9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 13:28:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FHSAW14956; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:28:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:28:08 -0700 Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000d01c3331a$45bd3560$0202a8c0@ALMMOBILE> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <75ovwB.A.jpD.qyK7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the issue you're having is in pitch bend settings. This happened to me too. Each sound (and if you're like me, this can be a lot) will sometimes have to be set to mirror the global setting in the GR-33. (or 30 or Axon). I think the default in the GR-30 is +-24. With my Roland XV-5050 I had to go into each patch and tell it a different bend range. (the usual is +-2) On my Korg MS2000R I could set the pitch bend range globally, so that helped. Once you get this set, you'll see the tracking improve tremendously. On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 01:44 AM, ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: > . I tried to use the Axon to trigger the GR33 sounds and that didn't > work very well since you couldn't adjust the tracking between patches > on > the Axon. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 13:30:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FHU1b15232; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:30:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:30:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:29:59 -0700 Subject: Re: SV: Loop music for download Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000901c3324d$276580e0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice Andy! Really beautiful stuff. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 14:14:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FIDZe18411; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:13:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:13:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:13:34 -0700 Subject: (other used synth/keyboard?) (was Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch?) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1397255C-9F5D-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, June 14, 2003, at 09:15 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > For a compact controller I'd go for the Novation ReMOTE 25. It has > aftertouch and "semi-weighted" keys. > > http://www.novationmusic.com/nov_route/docs/prods/remote25/ > remote25_over.htm > -- That looks like a really sweet MIDI controller, but it's $399 price got me to thinking. I sold my Ensonic TS-10 for that used. See where I'm going here? The reason I sold it was space related (and man was that thing fucking heavy!), but I'm wondering if there's a good old used keyboard out there that's 49 keys with a good feel and aftertouch that would give me a few extra sounds as well as being a MIDI controller. A sampler would be good, as I don't have one, but that's not too important. Good feeling keyboard that's 2-4 octaves would be sweet. Any suggestions? After playing my Roland PC-100 all day yesterday I realized how much I dug playing with a keyboard controller. It totally felt natural even though I'm not really a keyboard player. I was able to execute a lot with not too much practice. I'd been using my Roland spd-6 as kind of a poor mans Handsonic and for me it feels more awkward, but of course I know it's a matter of more practice. I may just get rid of both of them to fund a new keyboard controller. Suggestions? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 14:25:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FIPDZ19192; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019301c3336b$ff73c400$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <20030615053222.10231.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:29:03 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" > I just checked Fripp's discography. I haven't listened > to any of his work since 1988. I noticed that he had a > lot of solo albums with frippertronics and > soundscapes. Have any of you heard any of his more > recent soundscape CDs and what did you think? > > http://www.elephant-talk.com/discog/fripp/indexf.html > > Terry I'd highly recommend "A Blessing Of Tears" as the place to start with Fripp's soundscape series. It's very beautiful and moving. The EP "Pie Jesu" contains some of the most lovely tracks from "Blessing" and "The Gates of Paradise" (which can get quite *skreechy* at times). Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 14:29:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FISYg19488; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:28:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:28:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a101c3336c$76e04680$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <5.1.1.6.2.20030614154524.03e9bd00@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030614214403.03a39e78@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:32:23 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, 15 June, 2003 12:54 AM Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping > At 06:16 PM 6/14/2003, Cino wrote: > >Matthias wrote > > > >I never heard of a piano player doing it... > > > >Kim responded: > > > I believe Oscar Peterson has a couple of echoplexes, > > > although I haven't heard what he does with them. > > > >and Cino says: > >when you have 10 fingers like Mr. Peterson's, why do you need an echoplex? > >;-) > > you may be surprised, it seems he has quite a sophisticated electronic > music studio. There are a couple of pictures on his web site where you can > see parts of it: > > http://www.oscarpeterson.com/op/athomeframe.html > > kim Yes - many of my friends have bought used synths and such from him. He likes the technology and seems to keep up with the latest. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 14:29:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FISh619518; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:28:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:28:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615182842.17186.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: feedback settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <124.22ec8629.2c1d97b4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, Thanks! That is very useful info. Would changing it to that setting cause any other changes in the way the echoplex worked? Terry > You could try Loop/Delay= rPL (Replace Mode) if > you have an analog pedal. Then you hear the way the > volume of the loop changes straight away without > having to wait for the whole loop to pass. > Allows you to dynamically mix the loop volume as > you add new material. > > andy butler __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 14:40:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FIdY720497; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:39:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:39:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:39:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <14966D44-9F18-11D7-9CF7-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 02:59 AM, Eric Williamson wrote: > well, i like his tape delay work. my favorite frippertronics record is > God Save The Queen/Under Heavy Manners, as it's kind of a good > catch-all album for what he was trying to accomplish at the time. I totally agree. I think that's his best stuff. > soundscapes (being his work from 1994 and beyond) is a different story > ... I have to say that I've been left a little disappointed with Fripps later soundscapes. I think it's because he relies too much on that "staircase" pitch shift effect. I remember devising a pitch like that on my ART SGX2000 and thinking I was all that. About a month later it was the first sound (exactly) on THRAK. (he ripped me off! ;) ) But anyway, I think that effect is WAY overused, and as it obliterates any sort of melody, it seems to get boring (to me) pretty quick. If you want interesting soundscapes/ambient, I suggest picking up any of the Instinct Records Ambient Systems albums. Very good listening. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 14:42:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FIfjm20721; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:41:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:41:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1397255C-9F5D-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <1397255C-9F5D-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:41:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: (other used synth/keyboard?) (was Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:13 AM -0700 6/15/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >[...] I'm wondering if there's a good old used keyboard out there that's 49 keys with a good feel and aftertouch that would give me a few extra sounds as well as being a MIDI controller. A sampler would be good, as I don't have one, but that's not too important. Good feeling keyboard that's 2-4 octaves would be sweet. >Any suggestions? I'm using a Korg Prophecy for this sort of thing. As far as sounds go, it's "only" monophonic, but with a quite interesting range of noises available. As a controller, it's a pretty cool three octave velocity and aftertouch sensitive keyboard, with a nice selection of left-hand controls. They still seem to command about $500, though. -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 14:44:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FIho820988; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:43:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:43:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:43:48 -0700 Subject: Re: guitar synthesizers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <68.318a53c5.2c1e02b9@aol.com> Message-Id: <4D185980-9F61-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back in the day I saw the power that was the Synclavier as my employer owned one. The disc drive was the size of a small refridgerator. I'm sure there's nothing that a good PC/Mac with some off the shelf software could do and run rings around the Synclavier. It was a great machine of its time, but it's pretty much a dinosaur. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 10:11 AM, Tritone3@aol.com wrote: > As a guitar player I need to through in my 2-cents worth on the "Synth > Thing". I also us the Roland GR-30 with the GK-Kit pickup installed in > a Strat (with EMG's by the way). I like the kit in that I have easier > access to the control functions. And I don't have this monstrosity of > a controller (GK-2) on the top of my guitar. As with most synths out > there, the sounds that work well are great. And the ones that don't > are awful. > Does anybody know much about the Synclavier? I've seen both Pat > Metheny and John McLauglin use them live (as well as on recordings). > Based on what I've seen and heard the Synclavier is a very impressive > tool. I know they're not cheap, but I do not know if they are still > being manufactured. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 14:47:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FIlF321281; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:47:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:47:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:47:13 -0700 Subject: Re: (other used synth/keyboard?) (was Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, this is the exact kind of info I'm looking for. Thanks much. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 11:41 AM, Chris Muir wrote: > At 11:13 AM -0700 6/15/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Good feeling keyboard that's 2-4 octaves would be sweet. >> Any suggestions? > > I'm using a Korg Prophecy for this sort of thing. As far as sounds go, > it's "only" monophonic, but with a quite interesting range of noises > available. As a controller, it's a pretty cool three octave velocity > and aftertouch sensitive keyboard, with a nice selection of left-hand > controls. They still seem to command about $500, though. > > -C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 15:02:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FJ2Hq22521; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:02:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615190216.83296.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:02:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EEC113E.D753047F@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andre, I agree that many people today are using more complicated techniques and equipment to create their loops than Fripp. It doesn't necessarily mean that the music that create is any more evolved. (Though it may be). Electronic dance music has embraced looping and use sampling and looping (totally in many cases) to create most of the music. I don't think anyone on this list or anywhere would be looping at all if it weren't for Fripp and Eno's direct or indirect influence. Especially guitarists. I am sure that going from Frippertronics to Soundscapes was an evolution to Fripp himself, whether the techniques he used were similar or not. On a diferent subject; Fripp hated the fact that they were selling the Electro-Harmonix 16 sec digital delay as a "Fripp In The Box". He told me he was going to sue them. (this was a long time ago) I remember him showing me his new rack that Tony Arnold had put together for him. I am almost certain that he had two echoplexes at that time to do his loops. I think I remember him saying he was going to replace them with TC 2290's. I don't remember what his reason was. All the very best! Terry --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > I like a lot of Robert's stuff, and he was certainly > a factor in my taking an interest in looping in the > first place. > since the first Fripp and Eno record, and a lot of > players whose use of looping is in no way indebted > to Robert's style of playing. > --Andre LaFosse __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 15:09:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FJ8Wj23128; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:08:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:08:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:08:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030615053222.10231.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I consider "Let the Power Fall" to be more or less essential listening. It very much defines the old Frippertronics style and it's interesting imagining him playing this in pizza parlors. Amongst the soundscapes, "A Blessing of Tears" is the only one that I've found repeatedly listenable. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 15:12:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FJBui23459; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:11:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:11:53 -0700 Subject: Re: SV: Loop music for download From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These pieces were great. Mark Sottilaro and I might even let you move beyond the whole live looping thing and join the guitar cycletronica movement. ;-) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 15:20:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FJIXO24505; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:18:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030615191554.85428.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7Rq2VB.A.r-F.JaM7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And how did the old lady react? Mark on 6/15/03 12:15 PM, Terry Blankenship at electricgypsys@yahoo.com wrote: > On the night we recorded the live concert of "The > Leauge Of Crafty Guitarists Live" at George Washington > University, when we were checking into the hotel an > old lady saw a bunch of us with our guitar cases in > the lobby and said "Oh, I love guitar music", would > you play something for me. Robert said how can we deny > such a gracious request. Then we took out our guitars > and played for her right there in the lobby of the > hotel. I remember thinking how surprised I would be if > I would have walked into the hotel and saw Fripp > playing in the lobby. > > Terry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 15:21:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FJFt624085; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:15:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:15:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615191554.85428.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-ERaSD.A.N4F.rXM7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the night we recorded the live concert of "The Leauge Of Crafty Guitarists Live" at George Washington University, when we were checking into the hotel an old lady saw a bunch of us with our guitar cases in the lobby and said "Oh, I love guitar music", would you play something for me. Robert said how can we deny such a gracious request. Then we took out our guitars and played for her right there in the lobby of the hotel. I remember thinking how surprised I would be if I would have walked into the hotel and saw Fripp playing in the lobby. Terry --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > I consider "Let the Power Fall" to be more or less > essential listening. It > very much defines the old Frippertronics style and > it's interesting > imagining him playing this in pizza parlors. > > Amongst the soundscapes, "A Blessing of Tears" is > the only one that I've > found repeatedly listenable. > > Mark > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 15:53:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FJqr926925; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:52:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:52:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615195252.31441.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0IQytD.A.kkG.V6M7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com She was delighted. Terry --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > And how did the old lady react? > > Mark > > on 6/15/03 12:15 PM, Terry Blankenship at > electricgypsys@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On the night we recorded the live concert of "The > > Leauge Of Crafty Guitarists Live" at George > Washington > > University, when we were checking into the hotel > an > > old lady saw a bunch of us with our guitar cases > in > > the lobby and said "Oh, I love guitar music", > would > > you play something for me. Robert said how can we > deny > > such a gracious request. Then we took out our > guitars > > and played for her right there in the lobby of the > > hotel. I remember thinking how surprised I would > be if > > I would have walked into the hotel and saw Fripp > > playing in the lobby. > > > > Terry > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 16:14:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FKDw728093; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:13:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615201357.48016.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: SV: Loop music for download To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm listening to Andy Butler's live tracks from his web site. Very good. Take a listen. http://www.andybutler.com/ All the very best! Terry --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > These pieces were great. > > Mark Sottilaro and I might even let you move beyond > the whole live looping > thing and join the guitar cycletronica movement. ;-) > > Mark > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 16:46:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FKjK930660; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:45:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:45:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615204514.98207.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200306151829.h5FITI519733@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been an admirerer of Robert Fripp's loop work ever since No Pussyfooting. A recent poster here mentioned the "spiritual" aspects of some of the more recent soundscapes. Since I have done a lot of work in my life with hospice and AIDS and people dying in my arms, not to mention working with the recently deceased a la "American Book of the Dead", I first listened to "The Gates of Paradise" with fascination. I found that Robert accurately portrays the death experience through his music in a way that resonated with my own experience of engaging with others in the process, before, during, and after. It is an amazing thing to feel this communication of such a difficult subject, coming through music from a person whom I know to be compassionate, intellegent, and one of the most caring people I have ever met. And while I enjoyed the latest King Crimson tour, it would hardly cause me to bat an eye if they all said they were packing it all up tommorrow. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 16:51:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FKorx31096; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:50:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:50:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615205052.39221.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Live Looping Techniques To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was curious if any of you doing live looping gigs ever start with a series of already pre-recorded basic loops, or do you create everything on the spot. I did a tour in the mid 80's to promote my "Entering The Silence" album. It was different every night as I made everything up on the spot. I used two Hiwatt 100 double stacks turned on 10, my pedalboard, and two Electro Harmonix 16 sec digital delays. I wanted to change people molecular structures. When I'd hit half speed it would almost cave your chest in it was so loud. What fun. You should have seen the look on peoples faces back then. They even blocked Beale St off in Memphis and I did a live concert in the middle of Beale St which I am sure you could have heard all over Memphis. I had my eyes closed and when I opened them a black blues player was standing about two feet from me just staring in disbelief at me. For those of you using stereo echoplexes are you using them just to get a stereo sound or as two seperate units so you have more loops available at anytime. Will the echoplex remember loops after you've turned it off or are they lost? What are the biggest benefits of having two echoplexes? All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 17:03:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FL2he31904; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:00:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030615190216.83296.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On a diferent subject; Fripp hated the fact that they > were selling the Electro-Harmonix 16 sec digital delay > as a "Fripp In The Box". He told me he was going to > sue them. (this was a long time ago) > All the very best. > Terry > that didnt keep him from using one tho, didit s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 17:11:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FLBFi32506; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615211114.41609.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030615204514.98207.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are we talking about the same Fripp? When I played with him he didn't have a drop of compassion in him. There wasn't a show that we ever did that he didn't send some fan away almost in tears. If before of after the show a fan managed to approach him he would be very short and rude or just totally ignore their existence. He was beyond rude to all of them. I confronted him about it at the end of the first tour and told him it was totally uncalled for and that his fans were the resaon he had managed to make his living from his music for all of those years. I believe the LOGC was just a social experiment to him to test his Gurdjieff teachings out. Without the participants knowing it. "You can not achieve the aim without suffering". Intelligent, yes. He's a genius. Compassionate and caring, no way. All the very best! Terry --- S V G wrote: > It is an amazing thing to feel this > communication of such a difficult subject, coming > through music from a person whom I know to be > compassionate, intellegent, and one of the most > caring people I have ever met. > > And while I enjoyed the latest King Crimson > tour, it would hardly cause me to bat an eye if > they all said they were packing it all up tommorrow. > > Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 17:15:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FLExx00416; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:14:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:14:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030615211458.55194.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think he made them give him one because they were using his name to sell them. I know he was trying to get them to give him one. I know Adrian Belew used one. I used them and loved them. By the way is there anyone out there who repairs Electro-Harmonix 16 sec digital delays? One of mine went bad. Terry --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > On a diferent subject; Fripp hated the fact that > they > > were selling the Electro-Harmonix 16 sec digital > delay > > as a "Fripp In The Box". He told me he was going > to > > sue them. (this was a long time ago) > > All the very best. > > > Terry > > > > > that didnt keep him from using one tho, didit > s > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 18:34:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FMY5A06821; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:34:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:34:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:32:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes+16 seconds of sound From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030615211458.55194.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <93ZE5D.A.dqB.dRP7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think he made them give him one because they were > using his name to sell them. I know he was trying to > get them to give him one. I know Adrian Belew used > one. > > I used them and loved them. By the way is there anyone > out there who repairs Electro-Harmonix 16 sec digital > delays? One of mine went bad. > > Terry i touched base(when he was in town in sf. w/ 'crater' a great band btw) w/ the guiterrorist extrordinaire and user of the 16secddl-and he gave me the # of a guy in texas who did his work for him and the guy wouldnt give me the time o' day-dont even know who or where that guy would be. bob sellon *used* to work on the 16secbox but no more-so i guess i'm luckee that mine *still* worx since the earlee 80s... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 18:42:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FMfmK07281; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:41:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:41:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Live Looping Techniques Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:41:33 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001901c3338f$459b2040$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <20030615205052.39221.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5FMflB07254 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Terry Blankenship [mailto:electricgypsys@yahoo.com] > > I was curious if any of you doing live looping gigs > ever start with a series of already pre-recorded basic > loops, or do you create everything on the spot. Interesting question :-) Since I started looping on cheap "digital hold delays" back in -83 the main concept has always been to not use pre-recorded sound or pre-composed music. I was an "improvising musician" before I became also a "looping musician". But I shouldn't say I will never change. Right now I'm loading up the CFC card of my Repeater with drum loops to mangle with foot pedals while playing over them and chopping audio slices with the Echoplex. With midi pedals you can do so much to audio in the Repeater so I regard it almost more as "an instrument" than "pre-recorded loops". I mean, you can re-pitch them over three octaves, have them play backwards, step on stutter effects, change the tempo (while the main music does not change) all by playing along and building different patterns in the Echoplex. If I manage to learn it fluently until August I might use it at a gig then... Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 18:47:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FMgHq07369; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:42:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:42:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:40:27 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013d01c3338f$21357fc0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030615190216.83296.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" > I don't think anyone on this list or anywhere would be > looping at all if it weren't for Fripp and Eno's > direct or indirect influence. Especially guitarists. There's no doubt that Fripp (& Terry Riley) were an influence on me, but once I started to get into microtones and Just Intonation (aka the harmonic series), La Monte Young and Hindustani Classical music replaced him. Go to my mp3.com page and give me a listen. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 18:50:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FMo8P07973; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:50:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:50:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:48:22 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015001c33390$39277420$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030615211114.41609.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_xucs.A.c8B.ggP7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" > Are we talking about the same Fripp? > > When I played with him he didn't have a drop of > compassion in him. There wasn't a show that we ever > did that he didn't send some fan away almost in tears. > If before of after the show a fan managed to approach > him he would be very short and rude or just totally > ignore their existence. He was beyond rude to all of > them. > > I confronted him about it at the end of the first tour > and told him it was totally uncalled for and that his > fans were the resaon he had managed to make his living > from his music for all of those years. His response? Have you talked to him since? > I believe the LOGC was just a social experiment to him > to test his Gurdjieff teachings out. Without the > participants knowing it. Plus, a way to get them to play his music without the students attempting to insert their artistic vision and dilute his? * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 19:22:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FN0s208691; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:00:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:00:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Live Looping Techniques Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:00:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c33391$eb5226d0$132f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030615205052.39221.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I create everything on the spot, but after playing some similar songs week after week, it is easy to create loops that 'sound' the same, even if it isn't *exactly* the same. Like: Low bass drone, in D Arpeggio in Dm7 3 Ebow guitars, Etc... It is pretty easy to get close. I don't have 2 EDPs (but I will, one day), but for me, the main advantage would be looping stereo guitar or effects- keeping the panning the same throughout the loop. I'd imagine things could start to sound pretty wild, with sound bouncing back and forth. That being said, is there a device that just takes an incoming stereo signal, and pans it to a certain place? I know a lot of this can be done within a synth/effects device itself, but if I do it, say, post effects, I won't be locked into a specific pan location. And no, once the EDPs are off, the loops are gone. But I think that is a good thing. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > I was curious if any of you doing live looping gigs > ever start with a series of already pre-recorded basic > loops, or do you create everything on the spot. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 19:31:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5FNUdA10921; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:30:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:30:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:31:20 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001401c33396$3a357a00$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030615205052.39221.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: Live Looping Techniques > I was curious if any of you doing live looping gigs > ever start with a series of already pre-recorded basic > loops, or do you create everything on the spot. I sometimes use some 1 note drones pre-recorded on a Roland RC-20. No biggie. The time I would spend tracking drones goes into the overdubs. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 20:22:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G0LGT15027; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:21:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:21:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616002115.78754.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <015001c33390$39277420$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Beardsley wrote: > His response? His face and whole head turned so red it looked like it was going to explode. He said nothing. > Have you talked to him since? Briefly > > I believe the LOGC was just a social experiment to > > him to test his Gurdjieff teachings out. Without > > the participants knowing it. > Plus, a way to get them to play his music without > the students attempting to insert their artistic > vision and dilute his? No. They were just unknowing guinea pigs in his personal Gurdjieff experiments. Very dangerous. I know much more about this than I am willing to comment on here. Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 20:22:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G0LWA15117; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:21:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:21:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:19:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c33396$3a357a00$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Blankenship" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 4:50 PM > Subject: Live Looping Techniques > > >> I was curious if any of you doing live looping gigs >> ever start with a series of already pre-recorded basic >> loops, or do you create everything on the spot. well i've had a few beers and i'm listenin to neil young('comes a time') on the record player,so wtf... i dont prefer to hear looper people show up w/ pre recorded loop stuff, already done all prim and proper for show-is it real or memorex? ella-ella can ya hear me girl? that said i know everybody creamed their jeans for and her show of pre recorded stuff at loopfest YK... lastyear or whatever it was called :-), but 4 me... i like it live...thats where danger lives stan (i remember a show i got on vid-'new visions' on vh1 way back when-torn playin-loopin w/ isham duo and they started their set w/ somethin torn had alreadee loaded into his pcm42-and i thought-wot a letdown-the music was good and all and i guess their segment was limited by tv time etc...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 20:31:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G0TkD16464; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:29:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 05:19 PM, wrote: > that said i know everybody creamed their jeans for and her > show of pre recorded stuff at loopfest YK... lastyear or whatever it > was called :-), but 4 me... i like it live...thats where danger lives Hey Stan, if it was the Santa Cruz show you're talking about, that was all live. No prerecorded loops. All done with an EDP. It wasn't improvised, but it was surely live. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 20:53:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G0qtA18178; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Live Looping Techniques Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:52:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahoy-- Amy was using the EDP and some of it was live, but she also uses sequences and samples that she triggers from drum triggers. I don't know exactly what she's doing but it IS quite a show and there IS a battleplan--it's not the seat of the pants approach that Stanner favors--both things are good, and both artists delivered in Santa Cruz. I am having some real good results with the two EDP approach--drums on one, "melody" on the other--might schlep it up to Santa Cruz if I can make it when Rick gets back--BTW Rick, long time, no hear from--what the buzz? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 5:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 05:19 PM, wrote: > that said i know everybody creamed their jeans for and her > show of pre recorded stuff at loopfest YK... lastyear or whatever it > was called :-), but 4 me... i like it live...thats where danger lives Hey Stan, if it was the Santa Cruz show you're talking about, that was all live. No prerecorded loops. All done with an EDP. It wasn't improvised, but it was surely live. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 21:28:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G1Re121302; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:27:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:25:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Ahoy-- > Amy was using the EDP and some of it was live, but she also uses sequences > and samples that she triggers from drum triggers. > I don't know exactly what she's doing but it IS quite a show and there IS a > battleplan--it's not the seat of the pants approach that Stanner > favors--both things are good, and both artists delivered in Santa Cruz. > I am having some real good results with the two EDP approach--drums on one, > "melody" on the other--might schlep it up to Santa Cruz if I can make it > when Rick gets back--BTW Rick, long time, no hear from--what the buzz? > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 5:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques > > > On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 05:19 PM, > wrote: > >> that said i know everybody creamed their jeans for and her >> show of pre recorded stuff at loopfest YK... lastyear or whatever it >> was called :-), but 4 me... i like it live...thats where danger lives > > Hey Stan, if it was the Santa Cruz show you're talking about, that was > all live. No prerecorded loops. All done with an EDP. It wasn't > improvised, but it was surely live. > > Mark Sottilaro thanx gary for clarifying that-i know she was singin to pre done somethin-since i didnt see any instruments that she was playin and i heard all kinds of stuff durin her set-drum&bass-hard rock-space stuff-dance r&b thangs-where was *that* comin from-she sure werent playin those instruments! thats what i be talkin 'bout... you better bring that double EDP setup man! s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 22:27:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G2QNv25996; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:26:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616022622.53008.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030615211114.41609.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess he is just nice to old ladies then. --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > Are we talking about the same Fripp? > > When I played with him he didn't have a drop of > compassion in him. There wasn't a show that we ever > did that he didn't send some fan away almost in > tears. > If before of after the show a fan managed to > approach > him he would be very short and rude or just totally > ignore their existence. He was beyond rude to all of > them. > > I confronted him about it at the end of the first > tour > and told him it was totally uncalled for and that > his > fans were the resaon he had managed to make his > living > from his music for all of those years. > > I believe the LOGC was just a social experiment to > him > to test his Gurdjieff teachings out. Without the > participants knowing it. > > "You can not achieve the aim without suffering". > > Intelligent, yes. He's a genius. Compassionate and > caring, no way. > > All the very best! > Terry > > --- S V G wrote: > > > It is an amazing thing to feel this > > communication of such a difficult subject, coming > > through music from a person whom I know to be > > compassionate, intellegent, and one of the most > > caring people I have ever met. > > > > And while I enjoyed the latest King Crimson > > tour, it would hardly cause me to bat an eye if > > they all said they were packing it all up > tommorrow. > > > > Stephen > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 22:33:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G2Wkv26904; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:32:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:32:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616023244.83502.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:32:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <019301c3336b$ff73c400$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Blessing has to be my all time favorite work of Fripp's - Has anybody heard any bootlegs of Fripp doing the intermission for Tool. That stuff is awesome! --- Scott M2 wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Blankenship" > > > I just checked Fripp's discography. I haven't > listened > > to any of his work since 1988. I noticed that he > had a > > lot of solo albums with frippertronics and > > soundscapes. Have any of you heard any of his more > > recent soundscape CDs and what did you think? > > > > > http://www.elephant-talk.com/discog/fripp/indexf.html > > > > Terry > > I'd highly recommend "A Blessing Of Tears" as the > place > to start with Fripp's soundscape series. It's very > beautiful > and moving. The EP "Pie Jesu" contains some of the > most > lovely tracks from "Blessing" and "The Gates of > Paradise" > (which can get quite *skreechy* at times). > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 15 22:44:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G2h1M28060; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:43:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:43:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <146.139db160.2c1e88aa@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:42:50 EDT Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_146.139db160.2c1e88aa_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_146.139db160.2c1e88aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard he was just really, really pissed that they called it that in their advertising, but wouldn't give him one for free. In a message dated 6/15/03 2:02:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > >On a diferent subject; Fripp hated the fact that they > >were selling the Electro-Harmonix 16 sec digital delay > >as a "Fripp In The Box". He told me he was going to > >sue them. (this was a long time ago) > >All the very best. > > >Terry > > > > > that didnt keep him from using one tho, didit > s > --part1_146.139db160.2c1e88aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I heard he was just really, really pissed that they ca= lled it that in their advertising, but wouldn't give him one for free.


In a message dated 6/15/03 2:02:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stanitarium@ear= thlink.net writes:

>On a diferent subject; Frip= p hated the fact that they
>were selling the Electro-Harmonix 16 sec digital delay
>as a "Fripp In The Box". He told me he was going to
>sue them. (this was a long time ago)
>All the very best.

>Terry
>


that didnt keep him from using one tho, didit
s


 --part1_146.139db160.2c1e88aa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 00:28:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G4Rm703894; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:27:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616042747.55449.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616022622.53008.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0c9ZgD.A.v8.EdU7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Squid Loop wrote: > I guess he is just nice to old ladies then. She probably reminded him of Mother Fripp. Later that same night someone took a photo of him while we were performing and he stopped in the middle of the song, pointed his finger at the audience member and screamed through the p.a. system "That is a violation", then had the camera confiscated. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 00:30:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G4U5w04406; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:30:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:30:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616043004.74738.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616023244.83502.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't heard any of them but there are hundreds of bootlegs listed on his web site. Looked like as many official releases also. Amazing amount of work. --- Squid Loop wrote: > Blessing has to be my all time favorite work of > Fripp's - > > Has anybody heard any bootlegs of Fripp doing the > intermission for Tool. That stuff is awesome! > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 00:35:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G4Yw705043; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:34:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:34:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030615223808.007f76b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:38:08 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: This music sort of thing... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, Well, after Steve's last response to Naked Blues, I just HAD to send along something JUST FOR HIM! -but y'all can check it out too if ya like... lol! It's called Bouncy Squirrels!, yes, that's right, Bouncy Squirrels! -I was thinking of calling it Happy Hamsters for STeve, or perhaps Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Large Blue Furry Jacket and Grooving with Steve Lawson, Who Wasn't Actually There, but They Did it Anyway... -but not only would the name of the file be too damn long, but I figured Bouncy Squirrels would suffice just fine, and get the point across. -SO THERE!!!... lol! Anyway, it's at: http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/Bouncy Squirrels.wav It was recorded in March, at Sweet Rockin' Coffee, in Denver, and features Chris Filben on bass, who finally took some solo time in this one, and myself on the guitar. -Hope you like it. Have a wonderful and bouncy evening... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 00:40:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G4dIR05811; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:39:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:39:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010401c333c0$f79ced60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030615223808.007f76b0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: This music sort of thing... Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:37:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <3y8wl.A.qaB.2nU7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it wont let me download. yikes! jg ? hi cara. ----- Original Message ----- From: Goddess To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: This music sort of thing... > Hi All, Well, after Steve's last response to Naked Blues, I just HAD to > send along something JUST FOR HIM! -but y'all can check it out > too if ya like... lol! It's called Bouncy Squirrels!, yes, that's > right, Bouncy Squirrels! -I was thinking of calling it Happy Hamsters for > STeve, or perhaps Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together > in a Large Blue Furry Jacket and Grooving with Steve Lawson, Who Wasn't > Actually There, but They Did it Anyway... -but not only would the name of > the file be too damn long, but I figured Bouncy Squirrels would suffice > just fine, and get the point across. -SO THERE!!!... lol! > Anyway, it's at: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/Bouncy Squirrels.wav > > It was recorded in March, at Sweet Rockin' Coffee, in Denver, and > features Chris Filben on bass, who finally took some solo time in this one, > and myself on the guitar. -Hope you like it. Have a wonderful and bouncy > evening... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 00:47:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G4kOB06648; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:46:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616044623.14859.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030615223808.007f76b0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only recording I have of David Torn's is "Cloud About Mercury". Which of his recordings feature looping? Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 00:51:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G4odm07311; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:50:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:50:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c333c2$dc85bcd0$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030615223808.007f76b0@pop.earthlink.net> <010401c333c0$f79ced60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Subject: Re: This music sort of thing... Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:50:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-baZOC.A.HyB.eyU7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try this: http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/Bouncy Squirrels.wav Sounds good, Cara. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy George Band" To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: This music sort of thing... > it wont let me download. yikes! > > jg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 00:52:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G4n8807142; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:49:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:49:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616044907.77396.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:49:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Steve Tibbets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030615223808.007f76b0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Steve Tibbets name on the loopers profiles page. I had several of his lps a long time ago that were very very good but I don't think they featured looping. Unless it was looped percusion. What are his best looping CDs? Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 00:55:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G4saW08045; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:54:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:54:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616045434.50991.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:54:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616044623.14859.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can check out the B.L.U.E albums - I prefer the live one : http://www.tonylevin.com Splattercell would be another one - http://www.splattercell.com And KCRW has a really nice performance archived where he uses the Repeater extensively - http://www.kcrw.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > The only recording I have of David Torn's is "Cloud > About Mercury". > > Which of his recordings feature looping? > > Terry > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 01:11:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G5AY909648; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:10:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:10:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:55:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes From: Mark Hamburg To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <146.139db160.2c1e88aa@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4bNTgC.A.mWC.KFV7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd call that grounds for being pissed. Mark on 6/15/03 7:42 PM, Fsksync@aol.com at Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > I heard he was just really, really pissed that they called it that in their > advertising, but wouldn't give him one for free. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 01:44:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G5hff12646; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:43:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:43:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030615235007.0079ca50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:50:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: This music sort of thing... In-Reply-To: <010401c333c0$f79ced60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> References: <3.0.5.32.20030615223808.007f76b0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe it just doesn't like you! lol! Have you said anything, anything at all, to piss it off?! lollollol! Anyway, I'll try dl'ing it from my message and get back with the list, K? You guys ROCK! Laters, Me At 10:37 PM 6/15/03 -0600, you wrote: >it wont let me download. yikes! > >jg > >? > >hi cara. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Goddess >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:38 PM >Subject: This music sort of thing... > > >> Hi All, Well, after Steve's last response to Naked Blues, I just HAD to >> send along something JUST FOR HIM! -but y'all can check it out >> too if ya like... lol! It's called Bouncy Squirrels!, yes, that's >> right, Bouncy Squirrels! -I was thinking of calling it Happy Hamsters for >> STeve, or perhaps Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together >> in a Large Blue Furry Jacket and Grooving with Steve Lawson, Who Wasn't >> Actually There, but They Did it Anyway... -but not only would the name >of >> the file be too damn long, but I figured Bouncy Squirrels would suffice >> just fine, and get the point across. -SO THERE!!!... lol! >> Anyway, it's at: >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/Bouncy Squirrels.wav >> >> It was recorded in March, at Sweet Rockin' Coffee, in Denver, and >> features Chris Filben on bass, who finally took some solo time in this >one, >> and myself on the guitar. -Hope you like it. Have a wonderful and >bouncy >> evening... >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 01:46:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G5jtk12888; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:45:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:45:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030615235219.009d3a80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:52:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: This music sort of thing... In-Reply-To: <006501c333c2$dc85bcd0$520cfc0c@amd> References: <3.0.5.32.20030615223808.007f76b0@pop.earthlink.net> <010401c333c0$f79ced60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2K_wsD.A.OJD.SmV7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, isn't that, like, -what I typed before? You guys er' funny!... lol! Cara At 10:50 PM 6/15/03 -0600, you wrote: >Try this: > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/Bouncy Squirrels.wav > >Sounds good, Cara. > >-J > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jimmy George Band" >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:37 PM >Subject: Re: This music sort of thing... > > >> it wont let me download. yikes! >> >> jg > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 01:47:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G5kki13059; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:46:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:46:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030615235312.009d3a80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:53:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: This music sort of thing... In-Reply-To: <006501c333c2$dc85bcd0$520cfc0c@amd> References: <3.0.5.32.20030615223808.007f76b0@pop.earthlink.net> <010401c333c0$f79ced60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, by the way, glad you dig it! Laters, Me At 10:50 PM 6/15/03 -0600, you wrote: >Try this: > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/Bouncy Squirrels.wav > >Sounds good, Cara. > >-J > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jimmy George Band" >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:37 PM >Subject: Re: This music sort of thing... > > >> it wont let me download. yikes! >> >> jg > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 01:49:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G5mws13700; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030615235523.009cd8f0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:55:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes In-Reply-To: <20030616002115.78754.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <015001c33390$39277420$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry said, "I know much more about this than I am willing to comment on here." -Interesting, my perception of your attitude behind this says otherwise. so bitter for a crafty, eh? -just my thoughts, of course, and I may be completely off-base... it certainly wouldn't be the first time... lol! Anyway, RE: the idea that practically none of this loopin' stuff would be happenin' if it weren't for Robert and Brian Eno... Personally, I was turned on to the idea of singing and playing into a delay and layering tones before I ever heard either RF or Eno. When I finally did hear Robert, it was him solo'ing on Eno's material. -and not Robert's looping pieces. Then, when I heard Frippertronics, I actually didn't know what sort of technology he was using to achieve that type of texture, so I didn't relate it to a delay at all. So, -just my thoughts. - -Hope yer' all havin' a wonderful evening! Smiles, Cara At 05:21 PM 6/15/03 -0700, you wrote: >--- David Beardsley wrote: > >> His response? > >His face and whole head turned so red it looked like >it was going to explode. He said nothing. > >> Have you talked to him since? > >Briefly > >> > I believe the LOGC was just a social experiment to >> > him to test his Gurdjieff teachings out. Without >> > the participants knowing it. > >> Plus, a way to get them to play his music without >> the students attempting to insert their artistic >> vision and dilute his? > >No. They were just unknowing guinea pigs in his >personal Gurdjieff experiments. Very dangerous. > >I know much more about this than I am willing to >comment on here. > >Terry > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 01:59:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G5vti14473; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:04:22 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: The Bounciest of Squirrels... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8zvVrC.A.AiD.jxV7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I think I fixed it. It was the space. So, you can now find it here: http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/BouncySquirrels.wav So lemme' know if it works, and what ya think, K? Have an even more bouncy evening!... Bouncily yours, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 02:16:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G6FTH15745; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:15:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-MFGUC.A.51D.BCW7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I'm thinking of a totally different performance then. She was purely voice when I heard her. Mark On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 06:25 PM, wrote: > i heard all kinds of stuff durin her set-drum&bass-hard rock-space > stuff-dance r&b thangs-where was *that* comin from-she sure werent > playin those instruments! thats what i be talkin 'bout... you better > bring that double EDP setup man! > s > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 02:28:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G6S2u16927; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:28:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:28:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616062800.1377.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030615235523.009cd8f0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I said the same thing in an earlier post. I doubt if anyone on this list would be looping if it weren't for Fripp. I learned a lot musically from Robert. He told me once he was born tone deaf and with no sense of rhythm and that he became as good as he was by working very hard, which he does. He is very good at his craft. No one can deny that. I played on two CDs and toured with him. I just really found his treatment of his fans deplorable and totally unexcusable. It's a fact. Maybe he is different now, but I doubt it. In his own words when asked in an interview what Robert Fripp was he said "Robert Fripp is a charlatan and a turkey". Terry > Anyway, RE: the idea that practically none of this > loopin' stuff would be happenin' if it weren't for > Robert and Brian Eno... > Cara __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 02:31:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G6V0v17536; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:31:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:31:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616063059.90186.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:30:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8JUh5B.A.3RE.kQW7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who are you talking about here? Does she have a web site? Terry --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Oh, I'm thinking of a totally different performance > then. She was > purely voice when I heard her. > > Mark > > On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 06:25 PM, > > wrote: > > i heard all kinds of stuff durin her > set-drum&bass-hard rock-space > > stuff-dance r&b thangs-where was *that* comin > from-she sure werent > > playin those instruments! thats what i be talkin > 'bout... you better > > bring that double EDP setup man! > > s > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 02:41:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G6f5J18508; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:41:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:41:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616064103.72622.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616063059.90186.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm listening to that KCRW live David Torn right now. Very cool! Thanks for the tip. I'll have to go out and get a couple of his solo CDs. All the very best! Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 02:44:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G6hKN18903; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:43:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:43:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:43:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030616063059.90186.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We're talking about a musician known as Amy X Neuberg. She's a SF Bay area (I think maybe Oakland) EDP user. Her site is: http://www.isproductions.com/amy/ Very interesting stuff, IMO. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 11:30 PM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > Who are you talking about here? Does she have a web > site? > > Terry > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Oh, I'm thinking of a totally different performance >> then. She was >> purely voice when I heard her. >> >> Mark >> >> On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 06:25 PM, >> >> wrote: >>> i heard all kinds of stuff durin her >> set-drum&bass-hard rock-space >>> stuff-dance r&b thangs-where was *that* comin >> from-she sure werent >>> playin those instruments! thats what i be talkin >> 'bout... you better >>> bring that double EDP setup man! >>> s >>> >> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 03:48:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G7lEs22719; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:47:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030616015339.009d7a50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:53:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes In-Reply-To: <20030616062800.1377.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20030615235523.009cd8f0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Terry, I think you got me a bit wrong about the influence. I began looping BEFORE I heard Robert, so he wasn't the reason I started. Smiles, Cara At 11:28 PM 6/15/03 -0700, you wrote: >I said the same thing in an earlier post. I doubt if >anyone on this list would be looping if it weren't for >Fripp. > >I learned a lot musically from Robert. > >He told me once he was born tone deaf and with no >sense of rhythm and that he became as good as he was >by working very hard, which he does. He is very good >at his craft. No one can deny that. > >I played on two CDs and toured with him. I just really >found his treatment of his fans deplorable and totally >unexcusable. It's a fact. Maybe he is different now, >but I doubt it. > >In his own words when asked in an interview what >Robert Fripp was he said "Robert Fripp is a charlatan >and a turkey". > >Terry > >> Anyway, RE: the idea that practically none of this >> loopin' stuff would be happenin' if it weren't for >> Robert and Brian Eno... > >> Cara > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 03:52:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G7pWx23312; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:51:31 -0700 Subject: FS: Roland MIDI controller keyboard PC-300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <57DD8F4E-9FCF-11D7-ADF0-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4UGMoB.A.HsF.EcX7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm hoping to pick up a smaller keyboard with more controller knobs, so I'm putting this out there. Works well to control the Repeater's pitch controls. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539284382 Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 04:08:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G87IB24798; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 04:07:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 04:07:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030616021343.009dbab0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:13:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes In-Reply-To: <20030616062800.1377.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20030615235523.009cd8f0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Terry, you said, It's a fact. -Actually, it's a point of view, which you're certainly welcome to. I sent a student home once after asking him several times, not to smoke before he came to lesson, and he came in reeking of smoke, so, I could either cave, and perhaps have him care just that little bit less about what I'd asked, or make good on what I'd said, and have him think twice next time. So I made good. Is this cruel treatment of him? I'd say absolutely not, since if he wants to learn the guitar, which I know he does, He'll learn comitment, even if it's with something he might not consider to be directly related to music. Now, Sure, a performer/audience situation is way different, but Robert I'm sure, asked that people not take photos, and what does someone who thinks it just must not apply to them, do? They act like a jerk and snap a pic! Personally, I myself would probably deal with it a lot differently, but that's me. -I can still see his point. -just my thoughts... Maybe he is different now, but I doubt it. there are other crafties here, some of whom have had different experiences with Robert and GC, than yours. -It certainly sounds like you had your differences, and it certainly seems to be a concern for you... In his own words when asked in an interview what Robert Fripp was he said "Robert Fripp is a charlatan and a turkey". -and you believed him?... lol! Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 04:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G8M2026440; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 04:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 04:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030616025931.029734c0@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:20:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: (other used synth/keyboard?) (was Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch?) In-Reply-To: <1397255C-9F5D-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:13 AM 6/15/2003 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >On Saturday, June 14, 2003, at 09:15 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > >>For a compact controller I'd go for the Novation ReMOTE 25. It has >>aftertouch and "semi-weighted" keys. > >That looks like a really sweet MIDI controller, but it's $399 price got >me to thinking. $399...WTF?!? Hrm, I am seeing what you're talking about (and that's discounted from the $599 list price). What's not making sense is that the British tech-rags are publishing its list price as 269 GB Pounds in the reviews (cf. Computer Music, July 2003, for instance). That translates to a $450 US list -- almost $150 less than the 'list' at the online shops. I wonder if the reviews have a misprint, or if the distributors/shops here in the States are being a bunch of greedheads. >...but I'm wondering if there's a good old used >keyboard out there that's 49 keys with a good feel and aftertouch that >would give me a few extra sounds as well as being a MIDI controller. Well, I can't say it's exactly in the "compact, portable" category, but the keyboard on the Kawai K5000 is damn close to the nicest keyboard I've played that was actually attached to a sound-producing instrument (in other words, not merely a dedicated controller). Feels great, and features aftertouch as well. Not to mention that its Advanced Additive engine produces some of the coolest textures of any synth out there. It may come in at a bit more than you're looking to spend (usual prices are currently ~$600-800). However, there was a posting to the K5k list a few days ago from a member selling a nice clean K5000s for $450. Let me know if you're interested and I'll point you in the right direction. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 04:53:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G8qaX28960; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 04:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 04:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616085230.67019.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200306160628.h5G6Sx117056@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Are we talking about the same Fripp? Yes indeed, though you seem to carry a lot of bitterness after all these years. I'm truly sorry to hear it. I hope that somehow you were also able to carry some good things away from your time with him as well. I currently am involved with many of the people who were there with you at that time and not one of them seems to carry such a heavy burden on their shoulders. << Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G8ux829475; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 04:56:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 04:56:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:56:45 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000501c333e5$36d82c50$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030616021343.009dbab0@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, I'm trying to learn which dynamic filtering devices are best fit for use with a live-looping rig. Any recommendations? Below is my research list of current filters. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------------------------------------- Akai MFC42 http://www.vintagesynth.org/akai/mfc42.shtml Mutator http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/mutator.shtml Sherman filterbank http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/sherman2.shtml Akai MFC42 http://www.vintagesynth.org/akai/mfc42.shtml Electrix FilterFactory http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/electrixfilter.shtml Sherman Quad Modular Filter http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/sherman_quad.shtml (too big) MAM Warp 9 http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/warp9.shtml Metasonix TS-22 Pentode Filterbank http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/ts22.shtml Mutronics Mutator http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/mutator.shtml Vermona Action Filter http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/vermonaaf1.shtml Vermona DAF-1 http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/vermonadaf1.shtml Waldorf Miniworks http://www.vintagesynth.org/waldorf/miniworks.shtml Waldorf X-Pole http://www.vintagesynth.org/waldorf/xpole.shtml Waldorf D-Pole http://www.vintagesynth.org/misc/dpole.shtml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 05:11:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G9A2930489; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:10:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616091001.19552.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030616015339.009d7a50@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I started after hearing him. I had heard Terry Riley and Steve Reich do it before him though, but not on the guitar. Hearing him do it on the guitar made me realize it could be done on the guitar. I quite like his work in that area actually. I teach guitar and usually have an average of 45 students. Not one of them over the last 14 years had ever heard of Fripp. Only a couple of them were even aware of King Crimson. Never the less if one of them were to buy any one of the many looping effects available today and start looping they would likely owe it to Fripp whether they realized it or not. Many of the people who invented those effects in the first place did it because of hearing Frippertronics. "The Fripp in the Box", etc. Most people that are looping today started because of hearing Fripp do it, or because of hearing someone looping that had started doing it after they'd heard Fripp do it. I don't think this list would even exist if Fripp and Eno had never recorded that album. So I give him his due. He has had a positive influence on a lot of people musically. Terry --- Goddess wrote: > Hi Terry, I think you got me a bit wrong about the > influence. I began > looping BEFORE I heard Robert, so he wasn't the > reason I started. > > Smiles, > > Cara __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 05:13:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G9Cu831147; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:12:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:12:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:12:46 EDT Subject: Re: feedback settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Terry changing loop/Delay from LOP to rPL won't make any other changes andy > Hi Andy, > > Thanks! That is very useful info. Would changing it > to that setting cause any other changes in the way the > echoplex worked? > > Terry > > > You could try Loop/Delay= rPL (Replace Mode) if > > you have an analog pedal. Then you hear the way the > > volume of the loop changes straight away without > > having to wait for the whole loop to pass. > > Allows you to dynamically mix the loop volume as > > you add new material. > > > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 05:15:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G9F4v31562; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616091458.74118.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? To: per@boysen.se Cc: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <000501c333e5$36d82c50$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-ZB7K.A.CtH.YqY7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know enough to make a recommendation, but you might also consider the Roger Linn Adrenalinn & the Dave Smith Evolver Synth. John --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > I'm trying to learn which dynamic filtering devices > are best fit for use > with a live-looping rig. Any recommendations? ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 05:26:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G9P7732308; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:25:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:25:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616092501.69260.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: (other used synth/keyboard?) (was Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1397255C-9F5D-11D7-AB1C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Suggestions? I remember that some of the folks on the Analogue Heaven site were using the original Yamaha DJX as a controller for their rack synths. I seem to recall that the cheese factor of the product was overcome by its ability to send midi cc from its knobs, pitch wheel, & ribbon controller. It was also selling for under $200 at the time. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 05:28:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G9RQP32698; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:27:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:27:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616092725.91173.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616085230.67019.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I carry no burden at all my friend. It's been many years. I just stated what I saw back then. He may have changed. I saw Sting blow his nose on a handkerchief and give it to a girl who had asked him for an autograph. I didn't think that was an appropriate way to treat his fans either. She started crying and ran off. I found no offense at all in your words. In fact I think what you do is wonderful. I took care of a dying aunt with the help of someone like you. I find beauty in much of his music as well. Thanks for the tip on the recordings. I'll check out Blessing Of Tears. All the very best! Terry > Actually, this started out as a conversation > about Frippertronics and Soundscaping. I would > agree with previous posters that "A Blessing of > Tears" is one of his most approachable CD's of > Soundscaping, though for my money, "The Gates of > Paradise" and "Radiophonics" are the ones that I > can relate to the most. > > With respect, > > Stephen > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 05:33:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G9W8l00838; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:32:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:32:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616093156.49521.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616064103.72622.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey does David Torn ever do solo looping concerts? I loved that live radio show. I'd never heard him do his looping stuff. Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 05:36:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G9U6b00694; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:30:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:30:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <141.13b70d4c.2c1ee81b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:30:03 EDT Subject: RDS8000 for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Digitech RDS 8000 = $200 ( plus $15 shipping). Includes Roland FSU 5 footswitch for hands free "Hold" of loops. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 05:36:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G9ZQb01058; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:35:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:35:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616093525.21883.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:35:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Steve Tibbets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616044907.77396.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just dug out some of my old Steve Tibbets lps. he did do some looping on them. Great stuff! I'm gonna track down some of his newer music. All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 05:43:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G9b6Y01375; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <65.13593882.2c1ee9b6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:36:54 EDT Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was curious if any of you doing live looping gigs > ever start with a series of already pre-recorded basic > loops, or do you create everything on the spot. personally, it's all live playing, though at the moment there's a lot of composition. > For those of you using stereo echoplexes are you using > them just to get a stereo sound or as two seperate > units so you have more loops available at anytime. mostly just stereo at the moment, but there's lots of stuff you can do with 2 EDPs. for instance 1) just reverse one of the stereo pair, or half speed 2) create polyrhythm by Multiplying each EDP to a different no. of Cycles 3) pseudo multitracking with both EDPs on same loop length > > Will the echoplex remember loops after you've turned > it off or are they lost? no, it forgets audio (but keeps parameter edits) > What are the biggest benefits of having two > echoplexes? probably at the moment it's being able to play through stereo FX, and loop without the loop sound going mono. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 06:01:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5G9wuW03055; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:58:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616095854.45598.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <65.13593882.2c1ee9b6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, Thanks for the info. I really enjoyed Backwater. Some of the best I've heard. When is your CD coming out? All the very best! Terry --- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > I was curious if any of you doing live looping > gigs > > ever start with a series of already pre-recorded > basic > > loops, or do you create everything on the spot. > > personally, it's all live playing, though > at the moment there's a lot of composition. > > > For those of you using stereo echoplexes are you > using > > them just to get a stereo sound or as two > seperate > > units so you have more loops available at > anytime. > > mostly just stereo at the moment, but there's lots > of stuff you can do with 2 EDPs. > for instance > 1) just reverse one of the stereo pair, or half > speed > 2) create polyrhythm by Multiplying each EDP to > a different no. of Cycles > 3) pseudo multitracking with both EDPs on same loop > length > > > > > Will the echoplex remember loops after you've > turned > > it off or are they lost? > > no, it forgets audio (but keeps parameter edits) > > > What are the biggest benefits of having two > > echoplexes? > > probably at the moment it's being able to play > through > stereo FX, and loop without the loop sound going > mono. > > andy butler > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 06:32:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GAMCo04666; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c333f0$f2f4c140$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Loop gigs in London this week... Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:20:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for those of you who care, Tuesday night - 6-7.30, National Theatre Foyer (on the south bank) - Steve Lawson (bass+loopage) and Theo Travis (Flute/Sax + loopage) - free to get in. then stick around for Rick Walker at The Klinker, The Sussex Pub, N1 - 9pm start, Rick will play two sets as part of an experimental evening, also including a couple of performance poets and The Fleapit Orchestra. And again, on Thursday, Rick at the Klinker, this time with Steve Lawson - 9pm again. Both times, it's £5 to get in, and I Think £3 concs... e-me for more details, should you need them... cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 09:09:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GD6vW14054; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:06:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:06:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027f01c33408$344e3830$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030615235523.009cd8f0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030616015339.009d7a50@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:25:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Terry, I think you got me a bit wrong about the influence. I began > looping BEFORE I heard Robert, so he wasn't the reason I started. > > Smiles, > > Cara I've never heard Fripp, Guitar based music was never really my thing (he does play guitar, right? :) My first exposure to looping was Eberhardt Weber's pendulum CD which I adore. Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes > > At 11:28 PM 6/15/03 -0700, you wrote: > >I said the same thing in an earlier post. I doubt if > >anyone on this list would be looping if it weren't for > >Fripp. > > > >I learned a lot musically from Robert. > > > >He told me once he was born tone deaf and with no > >sense of rhythm and that he became as good as he was > >by working very hard, which he does. He is very good > >at his craft. No one can deny that. > > > >I played on two CDs and toured with him. I just really > >found his treatment of his fans deplorable and totally > >unexcusable. It's a fact. Maybe he is different now, > >but I doubt it. > > > >In his own words when asked in an interview what > >Robert Fripp was he said "Robert Fripp is a charlatan > >and a turkey". > > > >Terry > > > >> Anyway, RE: the idea that practically none of this > >> loopin' stuff would be happenin' if it weren't for > >> Robert and Brian Eno... > > > >> Cara > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 09:17:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GDG7N15046; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:16:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:19:13 -0500 Subject: Re: David Torn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030616064103.72622.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1F7C5C57-9FFD-11D7-93E7-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 01:41 AM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > I'm listening to that KCRW live David Torn right now. > Very cool! Thanks for the tip. I'll have to go out and > get a couple of his solo CDs. I have listened to Tripping Over God about 400 times. i cannot say enough good things about it. i would recommend that as a first DT looping-oriented disc. it's also got a bitchin Muddy Waters cover on it. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 09:53:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GDmrW17687; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAE81@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: guitar synthesizers Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:48:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'll second the sentimnets expressed below. and he's not exagerating about the size of the disk drive! if somebody is really in the market for one, give me a shout off list. m.c. > Back in the day I saw the power that was the Synclavier as my > employer > owned one. The disc drive was the size of a small > refridgerator. I'm > sure there's nothing that a good PC/Mac with some off the shelf > software could do and run rings around the Synclavier. It > was a great > machine of its time, but it's pretty much a dinosaur. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 09:58:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GDt9T18397; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1055771696!9892 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB15E@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: what are you (not) looping Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:53:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3340E.AE711960" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3340E.AE711960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" in my experience of looped and iterative sounds, it's good to have something (anything) "outside" the loops to carry the narrative thread of the piece and give the audience something as a guide to the general direction of the music, since even evolving or non-synced loops can't really do this on their own for a normal audience. in our case, the guitar provides the "familiar voice" amongst all the electronics, but even this is subject to a little looping. rather than build up great walls of noise, though, our guitarist is content to perform just the odd bit of brian may type self-harmonisation, and doesn't often loop himself for the sake of it. nor does he use the jamman on the theremin or any of the other electronic devices he might find in front of him. meanwhile, however, I have recorded just about everything into jamman, repeaters, boss 1/2 rack pitch shifter, powertran mcs-1 and cheetah sx16. this latter- a rather budgety stereo sampler from the late 80s- was across the whole mix for one session and was good for a one-off stereo freeze lasting about 20 seconds (i.e. no overdubs). we found we could refresh the freeze with one button push but had to fade it out first or it would shut off abruptly. I don't like looping bass guitar parts if there are real drums in the vicinity- it just feels antisocial somehow. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3340E.AE711960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: what are you (not) looping

in my experience of looped and iterative sounds, it's goo= d to have something (anything) "outside" the loops to carry the n= arrative thread of the piece and give the audience something as a guide to = the general direction of the music, since even evolving or non-synced loops= can't really do this on their own for a normal audience.

in our case, the guitar provides the "familiar voice= " amongst all the electronics, but even this is subject to a little lo= oping. rather than build up great walls of noise, though, our guitarist is = content to perform just the odd bit of brian may type self-harmonisation, a= nd doesn't often loop himself for the sake of it. nor does he use the jamma= n on the theremin or any of the other electronic devices he might find in f= ront of him.

meanwhile, however, I have recorded just about everything= into jamman, repeaters, boss 1/2 rack pitch shifter, powertran mcs-1 and c= heetah sx16. this latter- a rather budgety stereo sampler from the late 80s= - was across the whole mix for one session and was good for a one-off stere= o freeze lasting about 20 seconds (i.e. no overdubs). we found we could ref= resh the freeze with one button push but had to fade it out first or it wou= ld shut off abruptly.

I don't like looping bass guitar parts if there are real = drums in the vicinity- it just feels antisocial somehow.

duncan.



***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3340E.AE711960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 10:06:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GE2DJ19213; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:02:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616140206.29450.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616044623.14859.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > Which of [David Torn's] recordings feature looping? Purty much anything. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 10:14:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GEAAb20092; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:10:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:10:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EEDCFBE.EF61DEB2@pa.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:10:06 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Live Looping Techniques References: <001901c3338f$459b2040$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7f5_HB.A.05E.C_c7-@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Från: Terry Blankenship [mailto:electricgypsys@yahoo.com] > > > > I was curious if any of you doing live looping gigs > > ever start with a series of already pre-recorded basic > > loops, or do you create everything on the spot. For the most part, I tend to create everything on the spot, to the extent of starting with blank patterns in the drum machines. However, I have used pre-recorded loops of vocal material when the original vocalists weren't available; e.g. T.S. Eliot chanting in Sanskrit or Jim Jones laughing hysterically. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 10:34:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GEVRD22438; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:31:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:22:34 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: David Beardsley , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012301c33413$c91315c0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <015001c33390$39277420$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David beardsley wrote: > Plus, a way to get them to play his music without > the students attempting to insert their artistic vision > and dilute his? Nah. All the Guitar Craft albums have compositions by others beside Robert Fripp. I'm looking at the first, and credit is given to Essex and the League in addition to Fripp on various cuts. And re. Terry's hot/cold comments on his personal interaction with RF, I think we can all call up seemingly wicked cruel behaviour by musicians who changed how we listen, and many of us will have had extended personal contact with them. That Zappa! Boy, he stole from everyone! And ya wanna talk about mind games - how about ol' Captain Beefheart twisting the Magic Band all over! And did Miles really kiss his own mother with that mouth? And the way Charlie Parker treated poor Bud Powell... and Benny Goodman, now there was a skunk... and Buddy Rich, you ever hear the "bus tapes?" I hear Bach's father was a pretty fine musician, and he treated poor J.S. like toilet paper! When feels hurt or shortchanged by another, fact and opinion become very hard to seperate. We all carry our own truths. Let us all be with each other now, with love. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 10:48:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GElDm24143; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:47:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:47:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616144707.40092.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616093156.49521.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > Hey does David Torn ever do solo looping concerts? Yup, and duos (He and Will Calhoun are LoveBubble; they did two shows in NYC a couple of weeks ago) and trios and as a member of larger ensembles, but his live performances are getting rarer and rarer. He's *extremely* busy with session/production/filmscore work these days... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 11:19:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GFH7827057; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:17:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:17:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616151701.81567.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030615205052.39221.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > I was curious if any of you doing live looping gigs > ever start with a series of already pre-recorded > basic loops, or do you create everything on the spot. I do use some pre-recorded material, but not in the sense of a prepared, static, fixed backing track. My rack has a couple of minidisc decks in it that use as samplers; I load 'em up with short loops of field recordings, shortwave radio sounds, snippets of instruments I play but don't take to gigs, old radio commercials, pads, etc. (but I steer clear of stuff that sounds 'pre-played'; it's not melodic content or chord progressions, I do that part live.) I can fade this content in (through live post-processing) along with whatever instrument I'm playing and catch it as an ingredient in a "live loop". It's not the same as just pressing play, though; while normally samplers are played like a keyboard instrument, my 'playable interface' for the pre-recorded content consists more of real-time pitchshifting and tweaking of held delays. It can't be done exactly the same way twice. I also have microcassettes of similar material that I can play through my pickups to toss into the loop. Ironically, even though one of my loopers is an RC-20, I've never felt the slightest desire to use the 'storage locations', but do everything in real time. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 13:36:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GHVnx07629; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:31:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:31:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c3342d$8a040dc0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <5.1.1.6.2.20030614154524.03e9bd00@loopers-delight.com> <004f01c332db$c463b040$a9c4590c@u73x0> Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:34:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.160.2.73] at Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:31:42 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe Oscar P. has Art Tatum envy... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cino" To: Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping > > Matthias wrote > > >I never heard of a piano player doing it... > > Kim responded: > > I believe Oscar Peterson has a couple of echoplexes, > > although I haven't heard what he does with them. > > and Cino says: > when you have 10 fingers like Mr. Peterson's, why do you need an echoplex? > ;-) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 13:55:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GHogC09928; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:50:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:50:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.1ca657fc.2c1f5d67@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:50:31 EDT Subject: Re: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm trying to learn which dynamic filtering devices are best fit for use > with a live-looping rig. Any recommendations? > what do wish to achieve? add the MAM RS3 and the Line 6 filter pro to the list but can't advise really without knowing your intention. andy butler (and thanks for your kind words 'bout my live downloadables) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:06:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GI4uX12260; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:04:49 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Requesting_tips_for_dynamic_filtering_for_live_looping=3F?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?= To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?= X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.3 (B31) pl4 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.116.91.32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5GI4tB12233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the Eventide Eclipse you can run modulatable filters that can be swept by tempo, lfo, input dynamics, adsr. It also has Sample & Hold filtering, lfo modulated. On DSP7000/7500/Orville you can even customize the algorithm to deeper details, having filter modulation depending on audio input pitch and/or period.... and literally TONS of other possibilities... Italoop >>I've tried a lot of such devices, and I like the tone of my Lexicon >>MPX1 the best, plus you get a hell of a lot more. >> >>Mark Sottilaro >> >>On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 10:50 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >> >>>> I'm trying to learn which dynamic filtering devices are best fit for >>>> use >>>> with a live-looping rig. Any recommendations? >>>> >>> >>> what do wish to achieve? >>> >>> >>> add the MAM RS3 >>> and the Line 6 filter pro >>> to the list >>> >>> but can't advise really without knowing your intention. >>> >>> andy butler >>> (and thanks for your kind words 'bout my live downloadables) >>> >> >> ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:09:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GHvtc10876; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:57:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <17f.1ca657fc.2c1f5d67@aol.com> Message-Id: <07730BC3-A024-11D7-8A78-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <43ElNB.A.xpC.iUg7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've tried a lot of such devices, and I like the tone of my Lexicon MPX1 the best, plus you get a hell of a lot more. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 10:50 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >> I'm trying to learn which dynamic filtering devices are best fit for >> use >> with a live-looping rig. Any recommendations? >> > > what do wish to achieve? > > > add the MAM RS3 > and the Line 6 filter pro > to the list > > but can't advise really without knowing your intention. > > andy butler > (and thanks for your kind words 'bout my live downloadables) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:11:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GI9Rq13086; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:09:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:09:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.39e3c08d.2c1f61cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:09:19 EDT Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Andy, > > Thanks for the info. > > I really enjoyed Backwater. Some of the best I've > heard. > > When is your CD coming out? Cheers Terry, you're welcome!, and thanks for your comments, the CD comes out....er.....sometime soon, as I have "other commitments" . (but it IS coming) andy butler livelooping music www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:11:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GI4v212289; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:04:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:04:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616180456.41856.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <027f01c33408$344e3830$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul, Wow, I have that album. I didn't know he was looping though. I'll have to dig that out and take another listen. Terry --- Paul Marshall wrote: > I've never heard Fripp, Guitar based music was never > really my thing (he > does play guitar, right? :) > > My first exposure to looping was Eberhardt Weber's > pendulum CD which I > adore. > > Paul __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:16:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GIFEr13976; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:15:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:15:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <147.13c6433a.2c1f631e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:14:54 EDT Subject: Re: Steve Tibbets & Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5GIFDB13946 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry, In a message dated 6/15/03 9:49:39 PM, electricgypsys@yahoo.com writes: >I saw Steve Tibbett's name on the loopers profiles page. >I had several of his LPs a long time ago that were >very very good but I don't think they featured >looping. Unless it was looped percussion. As with your David Torn query, just about all of Steve T's recordings feature substantial amounts of looping. It is not always "in your face" -- like an obviously repeating motif in the background -- but it's there in subtle repeating textures and involves live guitar and/or percussion and sometimes music concrete textures. You have to see him play live to really understand what he's doing (looping) but he's quite adept at it and its seamless integration into his live "shtick" is evidence of his mastery of it. Likewise, David Torn has "some" looping on almost every recording I've ever heard him do (and I believe I have just about everything he's ever done since his stints with Jan Garbarek and the Everyman Band on ECM). Similarly, he doesn't use loopers like some others -- turn the looper on and play continuously with it 'til the piece is done. The loopage is used here and there and poses another instrument, and/or element within the overall composition -- not as the dominating, defining, essential structural essence of it. Neither of the artists in question do that. But a lot of us are guilty of the later. I know I am from time to time. It's so much fun that it's quite seductive just to noodle and hear the sounds all come bouncing back at you. It took me a long time to discipline myself to using it differently. I wouldn't boast to say I've come very far from that. But I am now, at least, aware of other possibilities and strive to explore them. It's actually been by experiencing music from folks like Torn and Tibbetts live -- and by checking out some of the folks like Andre LaFosse here on the LD list that has helped my transition from industrial, ambient, loop noodler to something (perhaps only slightly) more musical. Heheheh. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:23:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GIHqC14419; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:17:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616181751.48117.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <012301c33413$c91315c0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I started this thread to find out what Fripp's best looping CDs were since 1988. It got sidelined when someone praised his compassion and I asked if we were talking about the same Fripp. Fripp never did anything to me. I liked him, and learned a lot from working with him. I did personally see him consistently be rude to his fans before and after shows. Maybe he isn't now. I didn't think it was appropriate then and still don't. Arguing that it didn't happen is like saying the holocaust didn't happen. You are wasting your breath. I have met a lot of other great musicians, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Paul McCartney, etc, and all of them were nice to their fans. So if anyone has anything to add as for suggestions of Fripps best post 1988 CDs let me know. Other wise lets close this thread. All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:29:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GIPj215274; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:25:43 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001001c33434$b26bf870$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <17f.1ca657fc.2c1f5d67@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <47KokC.A.huD.pug7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what do wish to achieve? > > add the MAM RS3 > and the Line 6 filter pro > to the list > > but can't advise really without knowing your intention. > > andy butler Thanks for the tips! In detail, I'm looking for a way to apply pattern sequenced filtering. Midi/foot control over pattern change or just fx/bypass would be appreciated as well. I'm re-arranging my live looping rig to get rid of the mixer to get a smaller and more "playable" set-up. Selling off some things and buying some new :-) Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:30:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GISdt15625; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:28:33 -0700 Subject: Re: (other used synth/keyboard?) (was Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030616092501.69260.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <55E7D0D8-A028-11D7-8A78-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, that is a good idea, but I'm hoping for something with aftertouch. As an aside, I have a DJX beatbox that a friend gave me in leu of money owed. I'm thinking of putting it on ebay, as I don't really have a use for it. It's a kind of fun toy. The sounds are actually not bad and the scratch thing is interesting. It will sync to a midi clock as well. It would be a great tone module for someone on a budget. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 02:25 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Suggestions? > > I remember that some of the folks on the Analogue > Heaven site were using the original Yamaha DJX > as a controller for their rack synths. I seem to > recall that the cheese factor of the product was > overcome by its ability to send midi cc from its > knobs, pitch wheel, & ribbon controller. It was also > selling for under $200 at the time. > > John > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:45:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GIiei17719; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:44:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:44:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0a4701c33469$697ff5f0$99a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:43:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com he's got a point. the filters in the tide are really really great. i use them all the time. by the way, nice work on "cup mute" in the new OS...that's rad. -jim italo says: "On DSP7000/7500/Orville you can even customize the algorithm to deeper details, having filter modulation depending on audio input pitch and/or period.... and literally TONS of other possibilities..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:47:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GIeg617282; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:40:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:40:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ab01c33436$7fc4fb40$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Bounciest of Squirrels... Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:38:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks cara i love it! i love ure stuff. thanks for the headsup! peace and love jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Goddess To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 12:04 AM Subject: The Bounciest of Squirrels... > OK, I think I fixed it. It was the space. So, you can now find it > here: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/BouncySquirrels.wav > > So lemme' know if it works, and what ya think, K? Have an even more > bouncy evening!... > > Bouncily yours, > > Cara > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:47:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GIk7O18046; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:46:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:46:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <113.24e76a3b.2c1f6a60@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:45:52 EDT Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5GIk6B18017 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry, In a message dated 6/16/03 11:18:30 AM, electricgypsys@yahoo.com writes: >So if anyone has anything to add as for suggestions of >Fripps best post 1988 CDs let me know. Other wise lets >close this thread. As for his soundscapes, for some reason I gravitate to his "Radiophonics" CD. I like all of the late soundscapes. But I find I listen to that one most often. I am not aware of any other later "solo" Fripp CDs. All of his other output seems to be within the context of groups. Of this stuff I am particulary fond of the "Project X" CD, the RFSQ "The Bridge Between" CD and the LOCG "Intergalactic Boogie Express -- Live in Europe 1991" CD. Close runner ups would be Eno's "Nerve Net" and BPM&Ms "Extracts & Artifacts" (this lone is a studio pastiche assembled by Bill Munyon and Pat Mastelotto) and KC's "THRaKaTTaK" CD tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 14:57:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GIu4X19105; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:56:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:56:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <000501c3311f$04acb340$0100a8c0@SATAN> <5.1.1.6.2.20030614154524.03e9bd00@loopers-delight.com> <004f01c332db$c463b040$a9c4590c@u73x0> Subject: Re: what are you (not) looping Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:55:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2003 18:55:58.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC40D2B0:01C33438] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Matthias wrote > > >I never heard of a piano player doing it... > > Kim responded: > > I believe Oscar Peterson has a couple of echoplexes, > > although I haven't heard what he does with them. > > and Cino says: > when you have 10 fingers like Mr. Peterson's, why do you need an echoplex? > ;-) I have heard that since having a stroke in 1993 Oscar Peterson has been unable to play with his left hand, yet still gives amazing concerts - perhaps an echoplex is a wonderful tool for him given the situation! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 15:08:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GJ7KU20275; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:07:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:07:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030616021343.009dbab0@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not that I don't believe that Robert Fripp is totally nuts (love his music btw) having watched him hide in the shadows at almost every show. Christ, I saw them in Buffalo NY for the first US show (Thrak) they had done in 5 years or something and he was invisible. Hidden in darkness. Now, I payed a decent amount of money to *see* King Crimson. I didn't see Robert Fripp until the end where Adrian Belew (possibly one of the most easy going and patent men I've had the honor to meet) literally PULLED Robert out of his hidey-hole and made him take a bow with the band. Now, IMO, that is being down right rude to your fans for no reason. If you don't want to be seen in a live show, don't play one. Should I have sued Robert for denying me the ability to view his person when that was in fact what I paid to do? Probably, but the courts are flooded with stupid lawsuits. Instead I use it as a funny story I can tell on the LD mailing list. A fair trade? Maybe not, but welcome to my United States of Whatever. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 01:13 AM, Goddess wrote: > I could either cave, and perhaps have him care just that little bit > less > about what I'd asked, or make good on what I'd said, and have him think > twice next time. So I made good. Is this cruel treatment of him? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 15:10:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GJ93N20673; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:09:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:09:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:08:56 -0700 Subject: Re: (other used synth/keyboard?) (was Re: Oxygen8 keyboard aftertouch?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030616025931.029734c0@spamarrest.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <21DXXD.A.4CF.OXh7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saw that Computer Music review. Novation stuff has always been spendy. Who knows, maybe it's the strength of the Euro or some weird trade thing. On the inverse, it looks like the best thing out there. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 01:20 AM, Catilyne wrote: > $399...WTF?!? Hrm, I am seeing what you're talking about (and that's > discounted from the $599 list price). What's not making sense is that > the British tech-rags are publishing its list price as 269 GB Pounds > in the reviews (cf. Computer Music, July 2003, for instance). That > translates to a $450 US list -- almost $150 less than the 'list' at > the online shops. I wonder if the reviews have a misprint, or if the > distributors/shops here in the States are being a bunch of greedheads. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 15:17:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GJFh421423; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:15:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:15:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:18:23 -0700 Subject: Eventide 'Cup Mute" filter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0a4701c33469$697ff5f0$99a44a43@g0wn7> Message-Id: <4C401391-A02F-11D7-BEBC-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So Jim, (Italo too) , tell us about this filter, you've piqued my interest. Mark (Who always wanted his fuzzed-out Warr to sound like a nice airy cup mute trumpet, a Jon Hassell envy sort of thing...) On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 05:43 PM, jimfowler wrote: > he's got a point. the filters in the tide are really really great. i > use > them all the time. > > by the way, nice work on "cup mute" in the new OS...that's rad. > > -jim > > italo says: "On DSP7000/7500/Orville you can even customize the > algorithm to > deeper details, having filter modulation depending on audio input pitch > and/or period.... and literally TONS of other possibilities..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 15:26:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GJNvW22451; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:23:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:23:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EEE1945.9030105@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:23:49 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD Shirts: Closing in on Last Call References: <200306161858.h5GIwMT19493@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200306161858.h5GIwMT19493@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers of the World, Just a reminder that Wed. 18th is the last day to order shirts. (If last year is any indication, about 30 folks will email me the following week asking "how to order?") So far 23 loopers will be sporting this years model. I would like to see that number at least double so that we can send Kim a decent check. If you dont want to use paypal, I will accept checks. I will even go ahead and place the order on Thursday, if I am assured "the check is in the mail". http://loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-2003.html *Shirt + USA Priority Shipping* *$20.00* *Shirt + Mexico/Canada Global Priority* *$23.00* *Shirt + Other Global Priority* *$25.00* * * *XXL and XXXL add $1.00 per shirt * *Long Sleeves add $6.50 per shirt * Order with PayPal to jfink@cabq.gov -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 15:35:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GJYFM23993; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:34:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:34:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616193409.23171.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:34:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > Should I have sued Robert for denying me the ability > to view his person when that was in fact what I >paid to do? He would have fought to have your refund prorated. Add (subtract, rather) your attorney fees and... Check THIS out! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 15:40:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GJdBh24572; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:39:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:39:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:42:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3h5PRC.A.z_F.fzh7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 02:07 PM, mark wrote: > the first US show (Thrak) they had done in 5 years or something and he > was invisible. Hidden in darkness. Now, I payed a decent amount of > money to *see* King Crimson. I i think the reason he's in the dark is twofold: A) stage lights make even the nicest LED/florescent displays hard to read B) it makes him stick out like a sore thumb i believe it's intentional on both counts. if i was to go and play shows with Nathan (the guitarist i work with) that involved stage lighting, it would all be on him. i need to be able to read the displays on my computer, my keyboards, and my rack gear. stage lights would probably get in the way. oh, yeah .. it would make me look like a dark gothick badass too. kind of like the time i lit my whole band from behind with floodlights. the audience hated it at first, but they stuck around. of course, we got _very_ hot at that gig. so mark, does the MIDI input/thru work on your MPX-1? i just got one and the input doesn't. i'm thinking about returning (it's used with a good warranty) it for credit against an Eventide .... i was pretty disappointed with the pitch shifting, but i loved the vortexey stuff. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 15:55:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GJqag26334; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:52:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <012301c33413$c91315c0$1912be18@oemcomputer> Message-Id: <10476FBC-A034-11D7-8A78-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 07:22 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > And did Miles really kiss his own mother with that mouth? And > the way Charlie Parker treated poor Bud Powell... and Benny Goodman, > now there was a skunk... and Buddy Rich, you ever hear the "bus > tapes?" I hear Bach's father was a pretty fine musician, and he > treated poor J.S. like > toilet paper! Here's a good one: When I was young I came across a Beatles Bootleg called "The Black Album." It was a 5 album set, I think. Anyway it was just unedited tapes from the Let It Be sessions. Amazing. Paul McCartney singing "Get Back" with lyrics telling the Pakistanies to get out of England and stop taking all the good jobs. No lie. ...and he comes off as such a nice lad. I'm surprised these tapes haven't hit the public eye at all. It was for sure the Beatles. Also some great takes of the Beatles doing "All things Must Pass" and other later to become solo work. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 16:00:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GJwdi27065; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:58:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:58:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030616140503.00b5c680@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:05:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: The Bounciest of Squirrels... In-Reply-To: <01ab01c33436$7fc4fb40$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> References: <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey J!, thanks as usual. So, what are you up to these days? -any loopin' in my back yard? Smiles, Cara At 12:38 PM 6/16/03 -0600, you wrote: >thanks cara i love it! i love ure stuff. thanks for the headsup! > >peace and love > >jg > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Goddess >To: >Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 12:04 AM >Subject: The Bounciest of Squirrels... > > >> OK, I think I fixed it. It was the space. So, you can now find it >> here: >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/BouncySquirrels.wav >> >> So lemme' know if it works, and what ya think, K? Have an even more >> bouncy evening!... >> >> Bouncily yours, >> >> Cara >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 16:03:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GK1GH27811; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:00:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030616193409.23171.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3FB9BA03-A035-11D7-8A78-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hahaha hah, now that is funny. I like how he refuses to address the complaint in the first place. I've seen Fripp and co. several times since then, so I guess I wasn't that mad. Odd bird that man is, no doubt. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 12:34 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > --- mark wrote: >> Should I have sued Robert for denying me the ability >> to view his person when that was in fact what I >> paid to do? > > He would have fought to have your refund prorated. Add > (subtract, rather) your attorney fees and... > > Check THIS out! > > > -t- > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 16:04:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GK2jG28091; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:02:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:02:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030616140910.00b5c320@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:09:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030616021343.009dbab0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9SqnGC.A.y2G.lJi7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WHATEVER! lol! Smiles, Cara At 12:07 PM 6/16/03 -0700, you wrote: >Not that I don't believe that Robert Fripp is totally nuts (love his >music btw) having watched him hide in the shadows at almost every show. > Christ, I saw them in Buffalo NY for the first US show (Thrak) they >had done in 5 years or something and he was invisible. Hidden in >darkness. Now, I payed a decent amount of money to *see* King Crimson. > I didn't see Robert Fripp until the end where Adrian Belew (possibly >one of the most easy going and patent men I've had the honor to meet) >literally PULLED Robert out of his hidey-hole and made him take a bow >with the band. Now, IMO, that is being down right rude to your fans >for no reason. If you don't want to be seen in a live show, don't play >one. > >Should I have sued Robert for denying me the ability to view his person >when that was in fact what I paid to do? Probably, but the courts are >flooded with stupid lawsuits. Instead I use it as a funny story I can >tell on the LD mailing list. A fair trade? Maybe not, but welcome to >my United States of Whatever. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 01:13 AM, Goddess wrote: > >> I could either cave, and perhaps have him care just that little bit >> less >> about what I'd asked, or make good on what I'd said, and have him think >> twice next time. So I made good. Is this cruel treatment of him? > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 16:12:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GK4GJ28526; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:04:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:04:10 -0700 Subject: MPX1 midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <7mJSoD.A.l9G.ALi7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 12:42 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > so mark, does the MIDI input/thru work on your MPX-1? i just got one > and the input doesn't. i'm thinking about returning (it's used with a > good warranty) it for credit against an Eventide .... i was pretty > disappointed with the pitch shifting, but i loved the vortexey stuff. > Yeah, mine works perfectly. Are you sure you've got it set up right? I must admit setting it to deal with a midi tempo wasn't the most intuitive thing, as it is in the MPX500 (it automatically does this). You've got to tell it to look for MIDI for tempo *and* you've got to set the times from ms to beats (in "options"). Then is should work if it's not busted. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 16:24:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GKLjk30426; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:21:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:21:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c33444$ef9621c0$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030616193409.23171.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:21:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahh, to be in the position to request fans *not* go to your shows. -J > Check THIS out! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 16:46:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GKis701179; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:44:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:44:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:47:58 -0500 Subject: Re: MPX1 midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 03:04 PM, mark wrote: > On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 12:42 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: >> so mark, does the MIDI input/thru work on your MPX-1? i just got one >> and the input doesn't. i'm thinking about returning (it's used with a >> good warranty) it for credit against an Eventide .... i was pretty >> disappointed with the pitch shifting, but i loved the vortexey stuff. > Yeah, mine works perfectly. Are you sure you've got it set up right? > I must admit setting it to deal with a midi tempo wasn't the most > intuitive thing, as it is in the MPX500 (it automatically does this). > You've got to tell it to look for MIDI for tempo *and* you've got to > set the times from ms to beats (in "options"). Then is should work if > it's not busted. yes, i have it set to echos:beats (just like on my PCM-80), and the source switched from "internal" to "midi". it was chained off the thru of the PCM-80, and the 80 was in lock, the mpx was not. holding the TAP button in shows the tempo source and current tempo. it shows 120 BPM, MIDI. wtf? then, i changed the wires around (with the midi going INto the MPX, and THRU to the PCM) ... nobody locked. then i started doing CC tests. i routed CC#1 to the wah cutoff and started moving the mod wheel. nothing. i'm going to assume that it's MIDI is FOOBAR. no in, no thru. i didn't bother with out ... no point really. btw, what's your favourite thing to do with this little A/B modulating badboy? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 16:47:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GKkW701474; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:46:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1d2.c0e5fd2.2c1f869f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:46:23 EDT Subject: SV: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thanks for the tips! In detail, I'm looking for a way to apply pattern > sequenced filtering. Midi/foot control over pattern change or just > fx/bypass would be appreciated as well. > > Per Boysen If you don't want to program the sequences yourself, check out the Line6 filter pro, has pre-programmed patterns which are pedal selectable, (and you can change the length). Midi syncs to EDP just fine. Midi Controllable. Tends toward "big" sounds, and perhaps slightly harsh. Not all the settings are as tweakable as you'd like. Easy to use. The MAM Warp 6 will give random sequences, should MIDI sync, and is fully MIDI controllable. It has a vast array of sync options for pattern generation. ....but the sound is lo-fi & somewhat soft, the filter comes from the old "Wasp" synth. I reckon it's good for adding "small" sounds to a loop that leave space for other stuff. ....user interface is bizarre, but at least it has 32 programmable presets. The Sherman filterbank seems to be the high quality pay for what you get option, with full controllability. ....but I've not tried one. hope you can put this info. with stuff from others and get what you need ...andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 17:45:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GLhFP07917; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:43:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:43:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <025d01c33450$012a8e20$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030616193409.23171.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> <007101c33444$ef9621c0$520cfc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:41:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow! unbelievable. wow! im speechless. cool... jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes > Ahh, to be in the position to request fans *not* go to your shows. > > -J > > > Check THIS out! > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 17:46:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GLjwF08361; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:45:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:45:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <026a01c33450$620923a0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030616140503.00b5c680@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Bounciest of Squirrels... Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:43:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cara grrrrrl! : ) alls well here. a bitty nuty but good. let me send you more info 'off-line'... once again i really dug the loop you threw out to the list. very squirrely... : ) jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Goddess To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Re: The Bounciest of Squirrels... > Hey J!, thanks as usual. So, what are you up to these days? -any > loopin' in my back yard? > > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 12:38 PM 6/16/03 -0600, you wrote: > >thanks cara i love it! i love ure stuff. thanks for the headsup! > > > >peace and love > > > >jg > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Goddess > >To: > >Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 12:04 AM > >Subject: The Bounciest of Squirrels... > > > > > >> OK, I think I fixed it. It was the space. So, you can now find it > >> here: > >> > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/BouncySquirrels.wav > >> > >> So lemme' know if it works, and what ya think, K? Have an even more > >> bouncy evening!... > >> > >> Bouncily yours, > >> > >> Cara > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > >> > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >> > >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 17:59:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GLwXc12496; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:58:27 -0500 Message-ID: <029601c33452$6b5c4e80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20030616193409.23171.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <98WT2C.A.HDD.J2j7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i thought that was an excellent reply. this reminds me a bit of the show v. sound thread we had a while back... > > Check THIS out! > > > -t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 18:00:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GLwLP12449; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:58:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:58:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030616235023.01ac2400@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: waveform@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:57:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: daviD Subject: Re : SV: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? In-Reply-To: <200306161857.h5GIv3319251@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8lYvDB.A.ZCD.91j7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:25:43 +0200 >From: "Per Boysen" >Subject: SV: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? > >Thanks for the tips! In detail, I'm looking for a way to apply pattern >sequenced filtering. Midi/foot control over pattern change or just >fx/bypass would be appreciated as well. > >I'm re-arranging my live looping rig to get rid of the mixer to get a >smaller and more "playable" set-up. Selling off some things and buying >some new :-) Well, if you have a pc or a mac (using mac os9 if possible) available to create the patches and if you have some sound synthesis knowledge (i.e. you know what a filter or a vca is), then a clavia micromodular could be an excellent choice. It's much more than an effect processor but it can act as one easily. There are pattern generators modules, plus lots of filters, effects etc. and almost everything can be controlled by midi... It's small, red and has two inputs and two outputs. I love mine ;) "Battery Operated Simulating the true styles and making carefully ! Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 18:00:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GLxos12876; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:59:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:59:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:02:56 -0500 Subject: Re: SV: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1d2.c0e5fd2.2c1f869f@aol.com> Message-Id: <48CDB99E-A046-11D7-85A3-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Thanks for the tips! In detail, I'm looking for a way to apply pattern >> sequenced filtering. Midi/foot control over pattern change or just >> fx/bypass would be appreciated as well. have you though of the Korg MS2000? you can get em real cheap used ($300 to $400), and they sound really good to my ears. i could use another, myself. the new one has a mic mounted on it, for the vocoder. about the only thing it doesn't have is an envelope follower for the audio input. these synthesisers that have audio inputs really ought to have one. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 18:08:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GM3dB13722; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:03:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:03:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616220333.36966.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Batt'ries... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <026a01c33450$620923a0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The recent thread about ultra-portable looping rigs, the other recent threads about 'defining' things (where the words 'always' and 'never' came up a few times, causing me to question that sort of rigidity) and (especially) the nice weather this evening lead me to ask a sorta strange question: can anyone out there who has *both* a DL4 and an RC-20 tell me which one is less battery-hungry? The reason I ask: I've _always_ used AC pedalboard adapters with them, I've _never_ even put batteries in either of them, and having just come back from a walk downtown, I'm inspired to take an acoustic/electric, a looper, an eBow and a battery-operated amp out for some loop/busking. (I have a Smokey and a Pignose; the Smokey is nice and small, but I'm afraid it'll have to be the Pignose...) I may do it momentarily, depending on what kind of batteries I can scrounge up! (I haven't looked yet; is it 6 AA's for the RC-20 vs. 4 C's for the DL4????) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 18:10:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GM9JY14648; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:09:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:09:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616220913.1047.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:09:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <029601c33452$6b5c4e80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hear ya. The "Is Fripp Really a Jerk or Does He Just Play One Onstage?" thread seems to be pretty reiterative too. I think this reply is evidence of both his tongue-in-cheek humour AND his reputed cantankerousity. -t- --- Jim Palmer wrote: > i thought that was an excellent reply. > this reminds me a bit of the show v. sound > thread we had a while back... > > > > > Check THIS out! > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 18:38:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GMWi017362; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:32:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:32:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:32:00 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ef01c33457$1a5e69a0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <015001c33390$39277420$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <012301c33413$c91315c0$1912be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" > David beardsley wrote: > > > Plus, a way to get them to play his music without > > the students attempting to insert their artistic vision > > and dilute his? > > Nah. All the Guitar Craft albums have compositions by others beside Robert > Fripp. I'm looking at the first, and credit is given to Essex and the League > in addition to Fripp on various cuts. I should have checked the cds before posting. It's been a long time since I listened to the League. It twaz just speculation. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 18:56:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GMsit19867; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:54:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616225443.78236.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1F7C5C57-9FFD-11D7-93E7-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i went out today and tried to find a David Torn CD. Borders, CD Connection, and CD warehouse didn't have anything at all by him. It's criminal. The guy is great. I guess I'll try and order something on line. All the very best! Terry --- Eric Williamson wrote: > On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 01:41 AM, Terry > Blankenship wrote: > > I'm listening to that KCRW live David Torn right > now. > > Very cool! Thanks for the tip. I'll have to go out > and > > get a couple of his solo CDs. > > I have listened to Tripping Over God about 400 > times. i cannot say > enough good things about it. > > i would recommend that as a first DT > looping-oriented disc. it's also > got a bitchin Muddy Waters cover on it. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 19:01:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GN05d20856; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:00:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:00:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616230004.51546.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:00:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616144707.40092.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What does Will Calhoun play? Are there any recording of Lovebubble? Terry --- Tim Nelson wrote: > --- Terry Blankenship > wrote: > > Hey does David Torn ever do solo looping concerts? > > Yup, and duos (He and Will Calhoun are LoveBubble; > they did two shows in NYC a couple of weeks ago) and > trios and as a member of larger ensembles, but his > live performances are getting rarer and rarer. He's > *extremely* busy with session/production/filmscore > work these days... > > -t- > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 19:20:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GNEgB22687; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:14:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:14:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:14:24 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001101c3345d$07319a40$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030616230004.51546.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9nkmuD.A.ViF.h9k7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" > What does Will Calhoun play? Drums. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 19:23:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5GNMO924072; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030616232218.30776.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616230004.51546.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > What does Will Calhoun play? He's a looping drummer extraordinaire. (Used to be with Living Colour w/ Vernon Reid, Jungle Funk, et al, now leads his own quintet, as well as playing on many other peoples's rekkids.) I may have the chronology wrong; like Torn, he's a busy guy. >Are there any recording of Lovebubble? Not any commercially released ones, although I know *I'd* buy one! Same goes for Plane, the trio that's LoveBubble plus Meshell Ndegeocello on bass... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 20:36:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H0ZAX32005; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:35:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:35:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: David Torn From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616044623.14859.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030616044623.14859.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 16 Jun 2003 19:35:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1055806512.2772.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 00:46, Terry Blankenship wrote: > The only recording I have of David Torn's is "Cloud > About Mercury". > > Which of his recordings feature looping? "Cloud About Mercury", for one. It opens and closes with looping, and i'm pretty sure it has looping on every tune. Every David Torn album i've heard has looping. -- -dave "Who provides the profits - these nice little profits of 20, 100, 300, 1,500 and 1,800 per cent? We all pay them - in taxation... But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill." --Major General Smedley Butler, "War Is a Racket" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 21:01:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H0xwA01964; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:59:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:59:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:59:51 -0700 Subject: Re: David Torn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030616225443.78236.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <002CE54A-A05F-11D7-8A78-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1uY2ED.A.ke.Ogm7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com His stuff is pretty easily found on line though. Most big record chains suck. Mark On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 03:54 PM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > i went out today and tried to find a David Torn CD. > Borders, CD Connection, and CD warehouse didn't have > anything at all by him. It's criminal. The guy is > great. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 21:06:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H14oi02462; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:04:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:04:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:02:47 -0700 Subject: Re: David Torn From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1055806512.2772.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 00:46, Terry Blankenship wrote: >> The only recording I have of David Torn's is "Cloud >> About Mercury". >> >> Which of his recordings feature looping? > > "Cloud About Mercury", for one. It opens and closes with looping, and > i'm pretty sure it has looping on every tune. Every David Torn album > i've heard has looping. except 'best laid plans' i heard that he used some interface between guitar and amp but no looper i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 21:09:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H18a103278; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:08:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:08:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:08:29 -0700 Subject: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <025d01c33450$012a8e20$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Message-Id: <34FBBE62-A060-11D7-8A78-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's that you say? You can't mic your tablas well? Your gong is feeding back? Well, your troubles are over: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539405954&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 Bought to use in live situations, I never ended up using it much. Keyboard seems to be a better input device for me. So here it goes. It has a bunch of drum and percussion sounds (I don't think it actually has a tabla) but where it shines is in triggering other devices. Trust me, it's so much more dramatic hitting something with a stick than it is pressing a button or key. Imagine how cool you'll be when your changing the pitch of your Repeater with a stick! (or hand, I never used it in it's stick setting) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 21:13:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H1Cih04706; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:12:37 -0700 Subject: FS MIDI USB controller keyboard Roland PC-300 Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <025d01c33450$012a8e20$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2YbeKB.A.ZJB.Lsm7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I said, I think it may be time to upgrade to something smaller with more controllers, but if you're looking for an inexpensive way to get MIDI out, it's a pretty good little deal. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38090&item=2539284382 Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 21:19:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H1HtA06491; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:17:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:17:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:17:49 -0700 Subject: Re: MPX1 midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <829D08E8-A061-11D7-8A78-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 01:47 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > > > i'm going to assume that it's MIDI is FOOBAR. no in, no thru. i didn't > bother with out ... no point really. Have you tried doing a total factory reset? Couldn't hurt. Is the MIDI received light coming on at least? It should all the time if it's getting clock. > btw, what's your favourite thing to do with this little A/B modulating > badboy? I've got a bunch of variations of the presets it came with that I use mostly post Repeater. I love having my loop processed while my guitar goes in "dry" (yeah right!) and having a variation of Aerosol do crazy things. While I'm putting stuff into the loop, I'll use an expression pedal do vary the time base or some other perimeters. I usually use the A/B switch to go from dry to 100% wet. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 21:38:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H1bsV09257; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.173.179] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Batt'ries... Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:37:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 01:37:48.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EE0ACE0:01C33471] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can anyone out there >who has *both* a DL4 and an RC-20 tell me which one is >less battery-hungry? Hi there, i am currantly running both off batterys and i gotta say the rc-20's batterys seem to come up trumps for me, however, and this is only an opinion, i would out of the two take the dl-4 and two sets of batterys.(you still probably wouldnt need em) cos the DL-4 is to my mind, by far the more flexible unit when your usong it alone. dont get me wrong i love em both,butif its the only box ur gonna take, I would end up building my layers up into a corner. not so with the dl 4 cos of the eventual fade over time, which lets you bring in new passages. on a counter-question, are either of your adapters official?i dont have the cash to spend on the expensive boss and line6 adapters but im a bit scared of blowing my beautiful effects away on a non recomended one. good luck with you busk-loop. lemme know how it goes cos i have had some similar ideas but never gotton round to it. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 21:40:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H1e3A09694; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:40:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:40:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617014002.28082.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:40:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616232218.30776.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do any of you know what equipment he uses live for his pedalboard and looping. Especially when he does solo looping gigs. Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 21:48:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H1igj10435; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:44:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:47:47 -0500 Subject: Re: David Torn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030617014002.28082.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 08:40 PM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > Do any of you know what equipment he uses live for his > pedalboard and looping. Especially when he does solo > looping gigs. there's a nice article over at the Electronic Musician magazine from about a year ago or so. i'd go check that out. also, you can still buy his guitar looping/processing/playing instructional video. it's fascinating. i can't remember the name of it, though. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 21:57:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H1uMx11678; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.2471067c.2c1fcf35@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:56:05 EDT Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11a.2471067c.2c1fcf35_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: <4LCTUB.A.W2C.GVn7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11a.2471067c.2c1fcf35_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a 3 album Japanese bootleg. What I like is how McCartney denied doing that song about the "Packi's" in a big interview in Rolling Stone. In a message dated 6/16/03 12:53:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Here's a good one: When I was young I came across a Beatles Bootleg > called "The Black Album." It was a 5 album set, I think. Anyway it > was just unedited tapes from the Let It Be sessions. Amazing. Paul > McCartney singing "Get Back" with lyrics telling the Pakistanies to get > out of England and stop taking all the good jobs. No lie. ...and he > comes off as such a nice lad. I'm surprised these tapes haven't hit > the public eye at all. It was for sure the Beatles. Also some great > takes of the Beatles doing "All things Must Pass" and other later to > become solo work. > > Mark Sottilaro > --part1_11a.2471067c.2c1fcf35_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a 3 album Japanese bootleg. What I like is how=20= McCartney denied doing that song about the "Packi's" in a big interview in R= olling Stone.

In a message dated 6/16/03 12:53:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocross= ing.net writes:

Here's a good one:  When I= was  young I came across a Beatles Bootleg
called "The Black Album."  It was a 5 album set, I think.  Anyway=20= it
was just unedited tapes from the Let It Be sessions.  Amazing.  Pa= ul
McCartney singing "Get Back" with lyrics telling the Pakistanies to get
out of England and stop taking all the good jobs.  No lie.  ...and= he
comes off as such a nice lad.  I'm surprised these tapes haven't hit the public eye at all.  It was for sure the Beatles.  Also some gr= eat
takes of the Beatles doing "All things Must Pass" and other later to
become solo work.

Mark Sottilaro


 --part1_11a.2471067c.2c1fcf35_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 22:29:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H2SR414909; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617022826.1637.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:28:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030617014002.28082.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com go to www.splattercell.com <-- join the list and ask him yourself. He is sure to reply - I am pretty sure it's listed on the website though. --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > Do any of you know what equipment he uses live for > his > pedalboard and looping. Especially when he does solo > looping gigs. > > Terry > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 22:34:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H2TAS14984; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617022908.1761.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Painting with Guitar 2 videos --- Eric Williamson wrote: > On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 08:40 PM, Terry > Blankenship wrote: > > Do any of you know what equipment he uses live for > his > > pedalboard and looping. Especially when he does > solo > > looping gigs. > > there's a nice article over at the Electronic > Musician magazine from > about a year ago or so. i'd go check that out. > > also, you can still buy his guitar > looping/processing/playing > instructional video. it's fascinating. i can't > remember the name of it, > though. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 16 23:14:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H3D2C18671; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:13:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617031301.43446.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Steve Tibbet's - A Man About A Horse To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030617022908.1761.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-q2wVC.A.njE.-co7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a link to an article about Steve Tibbetts new CD. http://pulse.towerrecords.com/contentStory.asp?contentId=5643 Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 00:09:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H48D523186; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.173.179] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My First Loop Gig Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:08:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 04:08:07.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EBE7250:01C33486] Resent-Message-ID: <09viYD.A.JqF.tQp7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Guys,its nearly 5am in the uk right now but i just had to come on line and tell you about my first real live looping gig. I am a relative newbie to the loop scene,I only started about january (started by making riffs chain togeather on a crappy Zoom 707,just kind of went on from there). anyways, in this time ive become kind of bordering on obsessed with the whole concept and have had bags of fun, and spent bags of money (well,for a poor student) making music on my own and in front of small groups of mates. Although i think, my skills came along at about 8x the speed of when i was just doing regular guitar, i have been reluctant to take any gigs for fear of crashing and burning. That all changed tonight,I finally decided to do my first loop orientated gig. MAN!!Ive never been so nervous except for my first school play!!!all these new variables to think about,what if it goes wrong, what if i suddenly find i cant sing and loop at the same time, what if the RC-20s batterys run out berfore i do...............AAAARGH,hell.......but.......acctually, bliss,i loved every sweaty tense minute of it. As it happened it all went absolutly great,i didnt screw up more then could be covered, the buzz from the croud was unbelivable (it was basically an acoustic night, so by the time i was a couple of minutes in heads where really lifting!!) and i cant remember ever coming off stage feeling more exhilerated!! the icing on the cake was listening to all the people asking me and each other how/what i had been doing. Anyways, im rambling, I basically just wanted to share a story and also thank all of you great guys and girls on list for the help,encouragement and advice you probably dont even know you gave me. see you all soon Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 00:09:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H490R23271; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:09:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:09:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:06:58 -0700 Subject: havent heard much... From: To: looper people Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0kdIhB.A.erF.cRp7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com about this-wotup? http://www.classic-audio.com/gnx3_review.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 00:36:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H4ZDK25977; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:35:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:35:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617043506.90458.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:35:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Batt'ries... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2Hhg_C.A.zVG.Aqp7-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- lol c wrote: > > on a counter-question, are either of your adapters > official?i dont have the > cash to spend on the expensive boss and line6 > adapters but im a bit scared > of blowing my beautiful effects away on a non > recomended one. I'm using the Godlyke Power-All (2 in fact) to power not only my Line6 DL-4, but also the following: Roland PK-5 Roland GI-10 Oberheim Drummer JKJ CV-5 ART X-15 Roger Linn Adrenalinn various Boss,Dano,& Arion fx pedals The Power-All puts out 9v DC up to 1.7 amps. It comes with a 5 connector daisy chain & a variety of adaptors that allows for non standard barrel size (the DL-4 requires the green adaptor) or center pin positive devices. I love this thing! It's allowed me to rid my rack of several wall-warts & has me using pedal fx that I haven't touched in years. Not bad for around $40. I just wish my Vortex, Alesis SR-16, & Rocktron mixer used 9v DC instead of AC. I'd have nary a wart at all. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 00:42:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H4f3i26771; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:41:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:41:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c3348a$b7ff5100$753bdfc8@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: Subject: Monterrey OT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:41:19 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C33471.8CB496E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C33471.8CB496E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Somebody in the list live in Monterrey , Mexico ? thanks . julio ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C33471.8CB496E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Somebody in the list live in Monterrey = , Mexico ?=20 thanks .
julio
------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C33471.8CB496E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 01:31:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H5JPN29732; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:19:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:19:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030616232542.007fe970@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:25:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: My First Loop Gig In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woohoo! Phill!, you go boy! lol! Congrats! Smiles, Cara At 04:08 AM 6/17/03 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hi Guys,its nearly 5am in the uk right now but i just had to come on line >and tell you about my first real live looping gig. > I am a relative newbie to the loop scene,I only started about january >(started by making riffs chain togeather on a crappy Zoom 707,just kind of >went on from there). >anyways, in this time ive become kind of bordering on obsessed with the >whole concept and have had bags of fun, and spent bags of money (well,for a >poor student) making music on my own and in front of small groups of mates. > Although i think, my skills came along at about 8x the speed of when i was >just doing regular guitar, i have been reluctant to take any gigs for fear >of crashing and burning. > > That all changed tonight,I finally decided to do my first loop orientated >gig. MAN!!Ive never been so nervous except for my first school play!!!all >these new variables to think about,what if it goes wrong, what if i suddenly >find i cant sing and loop at the same time, what if the RC-20s batterys run >out berfore i do...............AAAARGH,hell.......but.......acctually, >bliss,i loved every sweaty tense minute of it. > >As it happened it all went absolutly great,i didnt screw up more then could >be covered, the buzz from the croud was unbelivable (it was basically an >acoustic night, so by the time i was a couple of minutes in heads where >really lifting!!) and i cant remember ever coming off stage feeling more >exhilerated!! > >the icing on the cake was listening to all the people asking me and each >other how/what i had been doing. > >Anyways, im rambling, I basically just wanted to share a story and also >thank all of you great guys and girls on list for the help,encouragement and >advice you probably dont even know you gave me. > >see you all soon > Phill Wilson > >_________________________________________________________________ >Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 03:45:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H7aDA07074; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:36:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:36:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c334a2$d7dae8a0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: My First Loop Gig Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:34:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com way to go phil! aint nothing like the first time indeed! more to come? peace jg ----- Original Message ----- From: lol c To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: My First Loop Gig > > > Hi Guys,its nearly 5am in the uk right now but i just had to come on line > and tell you about my first real live looping gig. > I am a relative newbie to the loop scene,I only started about january > (started by making riffs chain togeather on a crappy Zoom 707,just kind of > went on from there). > anyways, in this time ive become kind of bordering on obsessed with the > whole concept and have had bags of fun, and spent bags of money (well,for a > poor student) making music on my own and in front of small groups of mates. > Although i think, my skills came along at about 8x the speed of when i was > just doing regular guitar, i have been reluctant to take any gigs for fear > of crashing and burning. > > That all changed tonight,I finally decided to do my first loop orientated > gig. MAN!!Ive never been so nervous except for my first school play!!!all > these new variables to think about,what if it goes wrong, what if i suddenly > find i cant sing and loop at the same time, what if the RC-20s batterys run > out berfore i do...............AAAARGH,hell.......but.......acctually, > bliss,i loved every sweaty tense minute of it. > > As it happened it all went absolutly great,i didnt screw up more then could > be covered, the buzz from the croud was unbelivable (it was basically an > acoustic night, so by the time i was a couple of minutes in heads where > really lifting!!) and i cant remember ever coming off stage feeling more > exhilerated!! > > the icing on the cake was listening to all the people asking me and each > other how/what i had been doing. > > Anyways, im rambling, I basically just wanted to share a story and also > thank all of you great guys and girls on list for the help,encouragement and > advice you probably dont even know you gave me. > > see you all soon > Phill Wilson > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 04:04:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H83Jm09067; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: acoustic guitar mag From: ernesto schnack Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:02:41 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think it's been mentioned, but there was an article on looping on the last Acoustic Guitar magazine with Ryan Adams on the cover. I didn't read the whole thing, but they had a short history of looping and pics of the EDP+ and Boss looper. -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 04:32:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H8Vsc10599; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:31:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:31:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: My First Loop Gig Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:31:50 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000e01c334aa$e5fec6b0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5H8VqB10577 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] > > Hi Guys,its nearly 5am in the uk right now but i just had to > come on line > and tell you about my first real live looping gig//// Cool! Good to hear that someone is also singing while looping guitar. Most loopers seem to be guitarists deeply into instrumental music. Do you also write songs? Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 04:43:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H8fxs11422; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:41:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c334ac$27b10e00$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <200306161858.h5GIwMT19493@hemlock.violacea.com> <3EEE1945.9030105@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: LD Shirts: Closing in on Last Call Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:40:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey if we can't agree on the music or the toys let's agree on the T shirt :-] Claude > Hello Loopers of the World, > > Just a reminder that Wed. 18th is the last day to order shirts. (If > last year > is any indication, about 30 folks will email me the following week > asking > "how to order?") > > So far 23 loopers will be sporting this years model. I would like to > see that number > at least double so that we can send Kim a decent check. > > If you dont want to use paypal, I will accept checks. I will even > go ahead and > place the order on Thursday, if I am assured "the check is in the mail". > > http://loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-2003.html > > > *Shirt + USA Priority Shipping* *$20.00* > *Shirt + Mexico/Canada Global Priority* *$23.00* > *Shirt + Other Global Priority* *$25.00* > > * * > > *XXL and XXXL add $1.00 per shirt > * > > *Long Sleeves add $6.50 per shirt > * > > Order with PayPal to jfink@cabq.gov > > > -jas > Albuquerque > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 05:18:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H9HQ513513; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:17:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:17:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Cc: Subject: SV: [repeater-users] Buggy reaction to midi - Repeater or FCB1010 bug? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:17:23 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000001c334b1$433a8430$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5H9HPB13486 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jon, After some hours sleep I took up the troubleshooting again and monitored my FCB1010 midi output in Emagic Logic. Fact is the FCB is sending extreaneous (thanks for teaching me a new word in English ;-) commands!!! I found that many of the FCB buttons, when programmed to send a midi not, is also sending out a CC msg. The extreaneous CC, and its value, seems to differ according to which button used and also to which midi note is being sent. This can explain some of the troubles ppl have reported with the FCB. I do not have the time to look for an eventual system in the error picture. What I did was moving around the midi commands I need among different stomp pads until I found a set-up that sends only extreaneous data that the Repeater does not respond to. Phiew, that's what you get for working with cheap gear - the bucks you gain you have to pay with your time ;-) "The FCB is just like an audio PC - when it's finally working; DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING!" Yours Per > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Jon Wagner [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] > > Per- > I would suggest if possible to use a midi monitor program to > see exactly where the problem lies. Either the FCB is > sending an extreaneous command, or the repeater is responding > to something incorrectly. try midi-ox if you have a computer > midi interface: http://www.midiox.com/ jon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > > > Hi, > > > > I found a bug today. It might be an issue with either the > Repeater or > > the Behringer FCB1010. Details posted below - any thoughts? > > > > My Reater was set to midi channel 8. From my FCB1010 I was sending > > note number 41 to my EDP on midi channel 2. This caused the > Repeater > > to "Multiply Loop". > > > > One thing that makes me believe more in the FCB bug explanation is > > that this happens only when I send the midi command from > FCB bank 01 > > (button 3). When I send from FCB bank 03 (button 3) > everything is fine > > (only EDP reacts and Repeater stays out). > > > > The most bizarre detail is that the bug disappeared when I > shifted the > > functions between FCB button 3 and 4!!! So when using button 4 for > > midi note number 41 I never had any problems with the > Repeater (button > > 3 now sending midi note number 51 instead). > > > > Sorry for this tech post, but I really don't understand > what's going > > on here, although I'm glad I found a workaround. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Per Boysen > > __________________________________ > > www.boysen.se > > www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 07:47:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HBjlL24657; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:45:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:45:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1055849099!41088 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB16B@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:23:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C334C2.E0C480A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C334C2.E0C480A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>In detail, I'm looking for a way to apply pattern sequenced filtering. Midi/foot control over pattern change or just fx/bypass would be appreciated as well.<< one word: adrenalinn. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C334C2.E0C480A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Requesting tips for dynamic filtering for live looping?

>>In detail, I'm looking for a way to apply pattern
sequenced filtering. Midi/foot control over pattern change or just
fx/bypass would be appreciated as well.<<

one word: adrenalinn.

duncan.



***************************************************************************
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************
 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C334C2.E0C480A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 08:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HC4Y126723; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:04:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:04:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1055851031!45989 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB170@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:55:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C334C7.615F5600" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C334C7.615F5600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" guys, this thing would be a great addition to any studio. I have an spd8 from about 13 years ago, and (even without it's built-in sounds) it's a fantastic controller, very flexible. lately we've been using it with the pads themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impact to the start of sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on tymps and snares. d. -----Original Message----- From: mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: 17 June 2003 02:08 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds What's that you say? You can't mic your tablas well? Your gong is feeding back? Well, your troubles are over: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539405954&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 Bought to use in live situations, I never ended up using it much. Keyboard seems to be a better input device for me. So here it goes. It has a bunch of drum and percussion sounds (I don't think it actually has a tabla) but where it shines is in triggering other devices. Trust me, it's so much more dramatic hitting something with a stick than it is pressing a button or key. Imagine how cool you'll be when your changing the pitch of your Repeater with a stick! (or hand, I never used it in it's stick setting) Mark Sottilaro *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C334C7.615F5600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds

guys, this thing would be a great addition to any studio.= I have an spd8 from about 13 years ago, and (even without it's built-in so= unds) it's a fantastic controller, very flexible. lately we've been using i= t with the pads themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impac= t to the start of sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on= tymps and snares.

d.

-----Original Message-----
From: mark [mai= lto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
Sent: 17 June 2003 02:08
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/so= unds


What's that you say?  You can't mic your tablas well= ?  Your gong is 
feeding back?  Well, your troubles are over:

htt= p://cgi.ebay.com/ws/
eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2539405954&ssPageN= ame=3DADME:B:LC:US:1

Bought to use in live situations, I never ended up using = it much.  
Keyboard seems to be a better input device for me. = So here it goes.  
It has a bunch of drum and percussion sounds (I don't th= ink it actually 
has a tabla) but where it shines is in triggering other = devices.  Trust 
me, it's so much more dramatic hitting something with a = stick than it 
is pressing a button or key.  Imagine how cool you'= ll be when your 
changing the pitch of your Repeater with a stick!  = (or hand, I never 
used it in it's stick setting)

Mark Sottilaro



***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=
------_=_NextPart_001_01C334C7.615F5600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 08:12:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HCAha27459; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:10:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:10:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1055850670!19856 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB16F@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Batt'ries... Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:49:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C334C6.89660780" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C334C6.89660780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I just wish my Vortex, Alesis SR-16, & Rocktron mixer used 9v DC instead of AC. I'd have nary a wart at all.<< our axe-man got his pedals organised into this thing that looks like an attache case; power-train, I think it's called. the monster psu seems to cater for everything and even has a "crippled" output that lets you run a favourite fuzzbox off reduced voltage to simulate low batteries. there's enough stuff there to run all his pedals, inc. dl4. I don't remember now but I can ask- I think it has a 9V ac outlet too. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C334C6.89660780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Batt'ries...

>>I just wish my Vortex, Alesis SR-16, & Rocktr= on mixer
used 9v DC instead of AC. I'd have nary a wart at all.&l= t;<

our axe-man got his pedals organised into this thing that= looks like an attache case; power-train, I think it's called. the monster = psu seems to cater for everything and even has a "crippled" outpu= t that lets you run a favourite fuzzbox off reduced voltage to simulate low= batteries. there's enough stuff there to run all his pedals, inc. dl4.

I don't remember now but I can ask- I think it has a 9V a= c outlet too.

duncan.



***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=
------_=_NextPart_001_01C334C6.89660780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 08:23:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HCMLw28610; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:22:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:22:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617122215.46416.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030617014002.28082.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It changes constantly; here's a recent listing of the channel assignments on dt's rack mixer: ****************************** generally speaking, but not always: 1) send to pcm 42 2) wet pcm42 output (sometimes proc. through electribe) 3) wet EDP output 4) mono repeater output 5) (free / electribe) 6) return from guitar amp 7) (free) 8) (free) FX RETURN) wet pcm 80 output send 1: to VHT valvulator tube-splitter/buffer: A>pcm42/EDP, B>repeater send 2: to pcm80 input ****************************** and the 'equipment' page of his site: There's a lot of discussion of dt's gear over at and he's a pretty active participant himself in the gear discussions. -t- ps: it's about a decade old, but you might also be interested in checking out Torn's 2-video set 'Painting With Guitar'; you can usually find it on eBay. --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > Do any of you know what equipment he uses live for > his > pedalboard and looping. Especially when he does solo > looping gigs. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 08:40:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HCd9H30600; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:39:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:39:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <043601c334cd$7c691f70$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <00d301c334a2$d7dae8a0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Subject: Re: My First Loop Gig Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:39:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Phil, loopers, Welcome to the week of first loop gigs :). I have a tale to tell of my own experience this past weekend Rick was in Belfast as part of his Eu tour, I had arranged a radio interview with the local BBC station and because Rick was delayed travelling from staying with Per in Sweden I was on my own in the studio with my DL-4 and a Ghanaian balafon. I did a casual looping sound check on the balafon which the engineer recorded and they played it as the opener to the interview, My first ever looping performance was on BBC radio followed by my first ever live performance in the same interview where I did a bit of impromptu water gargling which I used to demonstrate the simple functions of the DL-4. Rick joined us on the phone from his ferry terminal in Scotland and arrived with me a few hours later than that. The radio interview is at http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/realmedia/arts_x_thu.ram it will be there until Thursday and the portion is at about 24 minutes into the show. They cut off the gargling for some reason, space I presume. We did the performance on Friday evening, two solo sets, some duets plus a combined set with a friend on Contra-alto clarinet. Up to this weekend I had only ever looped at home by way of practise and familiarisation. I'm a percussionist so I worked with open mics and wore cans most of the time for (everyone else's) convenience. I had been working through my studio system which seemed to work fine and I could set everything for a decent volume without feedback (of the larcene variety). I'm using a single DL-4 on an aux channel from my desk so I had individual control over the mic and looped signals I opened the gig by explaining a little about looping in simple terms, with a couple of demonstrations by looping what I was saying. That seemed to go well. Once I started into my set however the feedback started. I had control over my desk with my left hand so I was straight on it and dropped the DL-4 level to kill the feedback which by this stage had gotten into my loop :) It worked within the loop so I was able to lift the volume again and continue. The feedback was an irregular but present feature of the performance overall, it only really squealed in one place, mostly it was a slight ringing or tone. Speaking with Rick afterwards I found out it was in part due to was due to my 'tweez' being at 12 O'clock causing some form of internal feedback rather than mic/speaker feedback. I found left handed feedback surfing whilst struggling to maintain sufficient volume, lifting and replacing noise items, being creative musically and having to juggle the pedal control all quite a handful. Boy did it ever feel hot in there :) I had started off with no headphones but because the volume of the loops were so low in my anti-feedback crusade, I had to wear them pretty much full time. My first piece was a solo piece for Balafon which faded into a piece for Tar (Mid Eastern frame drum) feedback :), chinese cymbal and threaded bar cutting to a duet for caxixi (Brasilian basket shaker) and 2 litre plastic cola bottles, one of which has a tyre valve attached and was pumped up to give a high ringing note. I tried to start a 'house' groove, using a foot stomp for the kick and the ssshhh of the tyre valve release as the hats - good idea but it didn't translate well because of the lack of volume. The second piece used whirlies, kalimba, chinese cymbal, a cordless drill and theremin. Unfortunately feedback forced me to drop the volume and wear headphones and it turned out disappointingly that FOH it was very quiet for the audience. I finished up doing a short solo on bodhran. Feedback (of the response kind) from the small but fascinated audience was that they enjoyed my performance but it was very quiet. My own internal audience in my head was going WTF! WTF! WTF! :) LOL Rick's set was awesome, he opened with a piece based on windchimes which he had borrowed from my house and then a beautiful bell piece followed by a piece for day-glo plastic 'robotic voice' toys with beatboxing and singing. I've never seen a performance with such sonic variety which is quite something for me to say as I pride myself on my eclectic approach to noise and its serviceability. I got on very well with Rick personally and musically, we found ourselves finishing off each other's musical sentences and when we dueted on drums you would have thought we had been playing together for years in spite of the fact that we had only jammed 2-3 minutes that afternoon. I'd encourage anyone to catch Rick's show on this tour, it's one of those musical oddities that you won't ever forget. Mark Buckingham joined us on Contra-Alto clarinet to finish off the evening, the first piece was Rick and I both looping and the second was a dark atmospheric piece with Mark playing and Rick mangling, I was playing bodhran and some texture looping. Everything was routed thru Rick's equipment so he was able to loop and mangle anything that either I or Mark were doing. I'm glad to have lost the looping cherry and it's funny how public embarrassment (of a sort) kind of focuses the mind on what should be done differently. After my own experiences and watching Rick, I now have a virtual set in my head of things that I could have done and approaches that I could have taken. I'm now very much looking forward to my next looping gig whenever that will be, I'll need an hour on stage to make sure that I have the technology and micing sorted and I can see the need for a second looper box of some sort so that I can work more than one loop simultaneously Oh yeah, if anyone from Line-6 is reading this, any chance of a separate button for reverse on the DL-4?, the glitch caused by double clicking which puts the loop out of time is really a pain in the ass, sometimes it gives interesting results but as a percussionist it's too random for me to rely on unless I stop and restart the loop. The 'one shot' button is rarely used in my case, is there any way this can be re-assigned? I consider myself well charred but fully baptised into the family of live performing loopers. An exceptionally worthwhile exercise in terms of putting on Ireland's first ever Live Looping performance, a money loser for me as a promoter but the investment in the art was well worthwhile IMO. It was great to meet Rick, a enigmatic and hugely creative individual, Chris is lovely and such a support for him!!. The invitation to the percussion day of the Y2K3 festival in CA in October festival makes me very happy if I can get the support of the British Council to attend and I look forward to meeting some fellow LD members there. Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 09:14:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HD7Jq00651; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:07:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:07:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EEF1283.959B5523@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:07:15 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > (i remember a show i got on vid-'new visions' on vh1 way back when-torn > playin-loopin w/ isham duo and they started their set w/ somethin torn had > alreadee loaded into his pcm42-and i thought-wot a letdown-the music was > good and all and i guess their segment was limited by tv time etc...) Confession time: there have been occasions where I'll come up with a really good loop during the soundcheck and save it for the performance. It's new in the sense that it wasn't composed at home and stored in memory. It's old in the sense that the audience was not present when the loop was created. Anyone care to draw the line? (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 09:21:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HDIuh02693; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:18:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:18:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EEF153C.60593DAA@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:18:52 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes References: <20030616042747.55449.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry Blankenship wrote: > Later that same night someone took a photo of him > while we were performing and he stopped in the middle > of the song, pointed his finger at the audience member > and screamed through the p.a. system "That is a > violation", then had the camera confiscated. When the League of Gentlemen played East Lansing, Fripp went outside to inspect the line waiting to get in, to make sure no one was carrying recording equipment. He spotted one guy carrying a philosophy text and started a conversation with the guy because he (Fripp) was very fond of that text. The poor guy was sweating bullets for fear that Fripp would grab the text and turn to a particular page to quote a particular passage: he'd hollowed the book out to provide a hiding place for his tape deck. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 09:37:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HDYUb04374; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C99EB60AB44B44B901B6F0678BE27C013B6618@fdcem001> From: Baldwin Tim To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:34:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C334D5.2B0A9CA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C334D5.2B0A9CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Great stuff. How did you get timps. onto it? Tim -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: 17 June 2003 13:08 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds guys, this thing would be a great addition to any studio. I have an spd8 from about 13 years ago, and (even without it's built-in sounds) it's a fantastic controller, very flexible. lately we've been using it with the pads themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impact to the start of sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on tymps and snares. d. -----Original Message----- From: mark [ mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net ] Sent: 17 June 2003 02:08 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds What's that you say? You can't mic your tablas well? Your gong is feeding back? Well, your troubles are over: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539405954&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 Bought to use in live situations, I never ended up using it much. Keyboard seems to be a better input device for me. So here it goes. It has a bunch of drum and percussion sounds (I don't think it actually has a tabla) but where it shines is in triggering other devices. Trust me, it's so much more dramatic hitting something with a stick than it is pressing a button or key. Imagine how cool you'll be when your changing the pitch of your Repeater with a stick! (or hand, I never used it in it's stick setting) Mark Sottilaro *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return it to the address it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from your system. This email message has been swept for computer viruses. ********************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_000_01C334D5.2B0A9CA0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Baldwin Tim.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Baldwin Tim.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Baldwin;Tim FN:Baldwin Tim ORG:;PSDB TEL;WORK;VOICE:01403 213861 ADR;WORK:;Langhurst LABEL;WORK:Langhurst EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Tim.Baldwin@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk REV:20000526T092052Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01C334D5.2B0A9CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 09:57:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HDs4n06957; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:54:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:54:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:54:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Batt'ries.. From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <275EACF4-A0CB-11D7-8103-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on a counter-question, are either of your adapters official?i dont have the cash to spend on the expensive boss and line6 >adapters but im a bit scared of blowing my beautiful effects away on a non recomended one. Godlyke makes a universal adaptor which will drive drive all manner of effects, and it only takes up one space on a power strip, and it's only $40. Although I'd say if you can't afford to replace the effects should a mishap occur, you can't afford NOT to buy the "official" power adaptor... ******* Powers up to 20 pedals and similar devices Replaces Boss PSA-120, Boss ACA-120, DOD PS-200R, Morley 9V, Danelectro DA-1, Dunlop ECB-03, Ibanez AC-109, Guyatone AC-2, Maxon AC210N, and just about any other 9V power supply http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030617065138066167252250762889/ g=home/search/detail/base_id/54114 ******** TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 10:32:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HEUNS11916; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:30:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:30:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617143021.70211.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Batt'ries... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030616220333.36966.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > can anyone out there > who has *both* a DL4 and an RC-20 tell me which one is > less battery-hungry? I don't know about the RC20, but a friend of mine has been using his DL4 on batteries for awhile (toasted his AC adapter) and it goes through a set of batteries pretty quickly (just a few hours). Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 10:49:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HEhaJ13698; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:43:25 -0700 Subject: Re: SV: [repeater-users] Buggy reaction to midi - Repeater or FCB1010 bug? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c334b1$433a8430$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Message-Id: <0CF973CA-A0D2-11D7-81D9-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 02:17 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I found that many of the FCB buttons, when programmed to send a midi > not, is also sending out a CC msg. The extreaneous CC, and its value, > seems to differ according to which button used and also to which midi > note is being sent. This can explain some of the troubles ppl have > reported with the FCB. How weird! I've never tested my FCB1010, but that sounds crazy. I'd contact Behringer right away and find out what's going on. It may just be a defective unit. Maybe you just need to do a factory reset. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 10:55:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HErAF14993; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:53:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:53:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: [repeater-users] Buggy reaction to midi - Repeater or FCB1010 bug? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:53:05 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001601c334e0$28983c10$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <0CF973CA-A0D2-11D7-81D9-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > be a defective unit. Maybe you just need to do a factory reset. > > Mark Sottilaro Thanks, I'll remember that tip. Right now, since I moved around the commands over the pads, it's working well for me without disturbing the Repeater - so I'll just not touch anything ;-) I like the FCB a lot and will probably buy another one some day. Then I will hopefully find out if this one is defect or not. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 11:06:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HF5nx16352; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:05:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:05:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <29.426df90a.2c208842@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:05:38 EDT Subject: Re: Batt'ries... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com According to the RC-20 specs, expected battery life under continuous use with alkaline batteries is 25 hours, qualified by: figures will vary depending on actual conditions. I have me doubts about that 25 hours. :-) I have never tried to run it on batteries til they drain. My experience with other types of pedal/fx is that the batteries usually tend to run out after about 4 hours. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 11:23:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HFLUO17705; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:21:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:21:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Batt'ries... From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD In-Reply-To: <29.426df90a.2c208842@aol.com> References: <29.426df90a.2c208842@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-11) Date: 17 Jun 2003 11:21:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1055863293.7224.11.camel@bilbo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, The DL-4 manual says it has a battery life of 30 hours. I think this is pretty accurate based on my earlier experiences. I don't use it with batteries anymore, because I have a tendency to forget to unplug it :). Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 11:26:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HFPHd18258; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:25:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:25:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:24:41 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds In-reply-to: <39C99EB60AB44B44B901B6F0678BE27C013B6618@fdcem001> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't remember if tympany is one of the instruments it does, but it would be really simple to get it to trigger another unit (rompler or sampler) that has them. No pitch bend though. http://www.rolandus.com/products/ details.asp?CatID=5&SubCatID=26&ProdID=SPD-6 Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 06:34 AM, Baldwin Tim wrote: > Great stuff. How did you get timps. onto it? > > > Tim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] > Sent: 17 June 2003 13:08 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds > > > > guys, this thing would be a great addition to any studio. I have an > spd8 > from about 13 years ago, and (even without it's built-in sounds) it's a > fantastic controller, very flexible. lately we've been using it with > the > pads themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impact to the start of > sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on tymps and > snares. > > d. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark [ mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net > ] > Sent: 17 June 2003 02:08 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds > > > What's that you say? You can't mic your tablas well? Your gong is > feeding back? Well, your troubles are over: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539405954&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 > > Bought to use in live situations, I never ended up using it much. > Keyboard seems to be a better input device for me. So here it goes. > It has a bunch of drum and percussion sounds (I don't think it actually > has a tabla) but where it shines is in triggering other devices. Trust > me, it's so much more dramatic hitting something with a stick than it > is pressing a button or key. Imagine how cool you'll be when your > changing the pitch of your Repeater with a stick! (or hand, I never > used it in it's stick setting) > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > *********************************************************************** > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *********************************************************************** > **** > > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. > If you have received this email in error please return it to the > address > it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from > your system. > > This email message has been swept for computer viruses. > > ********************************************************************** > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 11:49:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HFlcm20806; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:47:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:47:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617174649.031c8e60@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:47:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes In-Reply-To: <200306161317.h5GDH3g15178@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_196919475==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_196919475==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed hear, hear! JPW >Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:25:53 +0100 >From: "Paul Marshall" >To: >Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes >Message-ID: <027f01c33408$344e3830$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Hi Terry, I think you got me a bit wrong about the influence. I began > > looping BEFORE I heard Robert, so he wasn't the reason I started. > > > > Smiles, > > > > Cara > >I've never heard Fripp, Guitar based music was never really my thing (he >does play guitar, right? :) > >My first exposure to looping was Eberhardt Weber's pendulum CD which I >adore. > >Paul >---------------------- >Paul Marshall >Portfolio Sound Artist >http://www.powerhaus.net >http://www.drumdojo.com >http://www.differentdrums.co.uk >NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation >www.dacapo.co.uk >Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 >Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Goddess" >To: >Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:53 AM >Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes > > > > > > At 11:28 PM 6/15/03 -0700, you wrote: > > >I said the same thing in an earlier post. I doubt if > > >anyone on this list would be looping if it weren't for > > >Fripp. > > > > > >I learned a lot musically from Robert. > > > > > >He told me once he was born tone deaf and with no > > >sense of rhythm and that he became as good as he was > > >by working very hard, which he does. He is very good > > >at his craft. No one can deny that. > > > > > >I played on two CDs and toured with him. I just really > > >found his treatment of his fans deplorable and totally > > >unexcusable. It's a fact. Maybe he is different now, > > >but I doubt it. > > > > > >In his own words when asked in an interview what > > >Robert Fripp was he said "Robert Fripp is a charlatan > > >and a turkey". > > > > > >Terry > > > > > >> Anyway, RE: the idea that practically none of this > > >> loopin' stuff would be happenin' if it weren't for > > >> Robert and Brian Eno... > > > > > >> Cara > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > > -Then, anything is possible..." > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_196919475==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
hear, hear!

JPW


Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:25:53 +0100
From: "Paul Marshall" <paul@powerhaus.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes
Message-ID: <027f01c33408$344e3830$0100a8c0@ecpm.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
        charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

>   Hi Terry, I think you got me a bit wrong about the influence.   I began
> looping BEFORE I heard Robert, so he wasn't the reason I started.
>
> Smiles,
>
> Cara

I've never heard Fripp, Guitar based music was never really my thing (he
does play guitar, right? :)

My first exposure to looping was Eberhardt Weber's pendulum CD which I
adore.

Paul
----------------------
Paul Marshall
Portfolio Sound Artist
http://www.powerhaus.net
http://www.drumdojo.com
http://www.differentdrums.co.uk
NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation
www.dacapo.co.uk
Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003
Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Goddess" <thefates@earthlink.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes


>
> At 11:28 PM 6/15/03 -0700, you wrote:
> >I said the same thing in an earlier post. I doubt if
> >anyone on this list would be looping if it weren't for
> >Fripp.
> >
> >I learned a lot musically from Robert.
> >
> >He told me once he was born tone deaf and with no
> >sense of rhythm and that he became as good as he was
> >by working very hard, which he does. He is very good
> >at his craft. No one can deny that.
> >
> >I played on two CDs and toured with him. I just really
> >found his treatment of his fans deplorable and totally
> >unexcusable. It's a fact. Maybe he is different now,
> >but I doubt it.
> >
> >In his own words when asked in an interview what
> >Robert Fripp was he said "Robert Fripp is a charlatan
> >and a turkey".
> >
> >Terry
> >
> >> Anyway, RE: the idea that practically none of this
> >> loopin' stuff would be happenin' if it weren't for
> >> Robert and Brian Eno...
> >
> >> Cara
> >
> >
> >__________________________________
> >Do you Yahoo!?
> >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
> >http://sbc.yahoo.com
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>   "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
> -Then, anything is possible..."
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe
>
>
>
>

----------------------------------------------------------------
Glass Thought Communications
"Records for people to listen to at home."
+46 708 940893
http://mp3.com/jairrohm
 --=====================_196919475==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 12:15:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HGCDp23892; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:12:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:12:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.181.168] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My First Loop Gig Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:12:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 16:12:07.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[330C2A20:01C334EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW!! what a lucky guy,your first public performance and your first radio broadcast in one!! I woke up wishing i had bothered to record my set, i think in my head i thought id either die on my arse or bottle it and play straight guitar stuff. oh well!! Ive been trying the link for your broadcast but it always comes back as server busy. Thanks for sharing that with us Phill >Rick was in Belfast as part of his Eu tour, I had arranged a radio >interview >with the local BBC station and because Rick was delayed travelling from >staying with Per in Sweden I was on my own in the studio with my DL-4 and a >Ghanaian balafon. I did a casual looping sound check on the balafon which >the engineer recorded and they played it as the opener to the interview, My >first ever looping performance was on BBC radio followed by my first ever >live performance in the same interview where I did a bit of impromptu water >gargling which I used to demonstrate the simple functions of the DL-4. >Rick >joined us on the phone from his ferry terminal in Scotland and arrived with >me a few hours later than that. The radio interview is at >http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/realmedia/arts_x_thu.ram it will be >there until Thursday and the portion is at about 24 minutes into the show. >They cut off the gargling for some reason, space I presume. > >We did the performance on Friday evening, two solo sets, some duets plus a >combined set with a friend on Contra-alto clarinet. > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 12:31:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HGTMj26342; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:29:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:29:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.181.168] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: My First Loop Gig Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:29:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 16:29:16.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[9855A8F0:01C334ED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per at the moment I have about 30 or so non looped songs to about 5 "composed"loops with lyrics,(as i said ive not been doing this that long.) at gigs i will probably add to this with some insturmental stuff and hopefully one day if im feeling dead brave,freestyled lyrics/improv guitar (have done this a few times at home when its worked well). Last night i played mainly my own stuff but with the addition of a song by Lamb called Goreki, I only figured out that morning that it was basically two repeated notes so i built up a very differant version around this. what sort of stuff are you into? influences ect? would love to continue this chat cos like you say not so many people are doing the singer/songwriter/looper thing. oh and also,do you actually loop your vocals?if so what do you use? i have for a couple of somgs but it meant unplugging some of my delays routing the mic trhough em which looks a bit naff on stage. All the best Phill Wilson ----- >Cool! Good to hear that someone is also singing while looping guitar. >Most loopers seem to be guitarists deeply into instrumental music. Do >you also write songs? > >Best wishes > >Per Boysen >__________________________________ >www.boysen.se >www.looproom.com >http://studio.idg.se/ >www.fuzz.se >www.upsweden.com >Phone +46 (0)8 341181 >Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 > _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 12:36:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HGYxH27329; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:34:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:34:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.181.168] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: First Loop Gig and NYC trip Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:34:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 16:34:53.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[6111E790:01C334EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Im actually taking a trip to New York City between the 1st and the 14th so if theres nyone who knows of any loop related nights ect or fancys a jam, get in touch, I wont be taking equipment with me as I plan to buy a new guitar and loop equipment while im out there (part of the reason for going,give the girlfriend a holiday and get some cheaper gear). after that when I return i will be looking for gigs in the east yorkshire area (not really famed for its music but hey!!) will definatly record my set next time so will post the results. all the best Phill >From: "Jimmy George Band" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: My First Loop Gig >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:34:10 -0600 > >way to go phil! aint nothing like the first time indeed! > >more to come? > >peace >jg > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: lol c >To: >Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:08 PM >Subject: My First Loop Gig > > > > > > > > Hi Guys,its nearly 5am in the uk right now but i just had to come on >line > > and tell you about my first real live looping gig. > > I am a relative newbie to the loop scene,I only started about january > > (started by making riffs chain togeather on a crappy Zoom 707,just kind >of > > went on from there). > > anyways, in this time ive become kind of bordering on obsessed with the > > whole concept and have had bags of fun, and spent bags of money >(well,for >a > > poor student) making music on my own and in front of small groups of >mates. > > Although i think, my skills came along at about 8x the speed of when i >was > > just doing regular guitar, i have been reluctant to take any gigs for >fear > > of crashing and burning. > > > > That all changed tonight,I finally decided to do my first loop >orientated > > gig. MAN!!Ive never been so nervous except for my first school >play!!!all > > these new variables to think about,what if it goes wrong, what if i >suddenly > > find i cant sing and loop at the same time, what if the RC-20s batterys >run > > out berfore i do...............AAAARGH,hell.......but.......acctually, > > bliss,i loved every sweaty tense minute of it. > > > > As it happened it all went absolutly great,i didnt screw up more then >could > > be covered, the buzz from the croud was unbelivable (it was basically an > > acoustic night, so by the time i was a couple of minutes in heads where > > really lifting!!) and i cant remember ever coming off stage feeling more > > exhilerated!! > > > > the icing on the cake was listening to all the people asking me and each > > other how/what i had been doing. > > > > Anyways, im rambling, I basically just wanted to share a story and also > > thank all of you great guys and girls on list for the help,encouragement >and > > advice you probably dont even know you gave me. > > > > see you all soon > > Phill Wilson > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 12:43:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HGg0m28575; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:42:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:42:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617164154.86231.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Batt'ries.../laws which discriminate against loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1055863293.7224.11.camel@bilbo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jeffrey Lomas wrote: > The DL-4 manual says it has a battery life of 30 > hours. I think this is > pretty accurate based on my earlier experiences. I couldn't find any C's, so I went with the RC-20. Plusses: it's smaller, longer loop time Minuses: no half speed, no on-board delay, ugly color And even with the best intentions of staying as small/simple as possible, after a short trial run, I added a volume pedal to the (micro)rig. Also, as I feared, the little plastic speaker on the Smokey sounded like crap with the acoustic, so I had to use the Pignose. (The Smokey actually sounds good driving a 4x12 cabinet, but that sort of defeats the purpose...) I think I'm gonna do it again today with the DL4. HOWEVER... The thing that complicates it is that Portsmouth has an ordinance which forbids amplified busking. I know a guy who used to drag his entire drum kit out there on the sidewalk and he was within the law. Technically, a screeching set of highland bagpipes or a grand piano would be OK, but using a 1 watt amp to play loops at a volume matching the unamplified acoustic guitar is a no-no. I know the purpose of the law is to keep the noise down, but it's frustrating... So, if I go across the bridge to Portsmouth, I need to stay discreet re: the amp, and the Pignose, while only the size of a shoebox, was making me a little paranoid, even though it was semi-concealed in a little backpack. Plus, the skeeters had come out by then, so I didn't stay long! > I don't use it with > batteries anymore, because I have a tendency to > forget to unplug it :). That won't be a problem; I'm not planning on leaving it in Market Square! :-) (A couple of my electric guitars have jack-switched active electronics, and when looping at home, forgetting to unplug *can* be a problem!) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 12:53:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HGp6R29885; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:51:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:51:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030617185011.015f8cc0@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: waveform@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:51:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: daviD Subject: Boss DD20 ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Has anyone here tried the new Boss DD20 pedal ? If so, what are the good & bad points in your opinion ? Thanks, "Battery Operated Simulating the true styles and making carefully ! Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:05:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HH10031154; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:01:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:01:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:00:54 EDT Subject: Re: My First Loop Gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ba.410523e5.2c20a346_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ba.410523e5.2c20a346_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/17/03 12:08:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, testtubemicro@hotmail.com writes: > my first real live looping gig. > phill.....sounds great!.....congrats.....hope there are many more.....michael --part1_ba.410523e5.2c20a346_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/17/0= 3 12:08:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, testtubemicro@hotmail.com writes:


my first real live looping gig.=


phill.....sounds great!.....congrats.....hope there are many more.....michae= l --part1_ba.410523e5.2c20a346_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:12:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HH7ZE32472; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:07:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:07:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jody Rael" To: Subject: RE: Batt'ries... Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:07:26 -0400 Message-ID: <9F5857F63727644090BEBC1EEC33F8DE015BE9@server.kling.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <29.426df90a.2c208842@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The great part of battery operated is to play anywhere- when 110V is not available If you play using a Crate or other portable amp with 12VDC gel cell-or have your car nearby you can run with a radio shack adapter- 12 to 9VDC- make sure you have enough amps and get polarity correct! you will be adding milliamps- I have found most 9 volt boxes will work with the 14 or so volts from car battery- but you are on your own to find out- but I have never blown a foot pedal or other 9 volt device yet. I have a 9 volt power supply built from a Makita (drill) 9.6 volt battery and the flashlight (it was free with the drill) with the head (light) removed and a plug on the end- it has a push button on off switch- I use the 12 volt charger in the car for a second battery. I amp with car stereo into Bose speakers and run off solar or solar/battery power- I love looping outdoors with the RC-20 Jody Rael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:19:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HHChO01013; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:12:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:12:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:11:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Im actually taking a trip to New York City between the 1st and the >14th so if theres nyone who knows of any loop related nights ect or >fancys a jam, get in touch, I wont be taking equipment with me as I >plan to buy a new guitar and loop equipment while im out there (part >of the reason for going,give the girlfriend a holiday and get some >cheaper gear). > after that when I return i will be looking for gigs in the east >yorkshire area (not really famed for its music but hey!!) > will definatly record my set next time so will post the results. Definitely drop into open loop (http://loopNY.com) -- also, look at http://extremeNY.com/list for interesting shows. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:20:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HHGWA01696; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617171626.38838.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: LD Shirts: Closing in on Last Call To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006101c334ac$27b10e00$0100a8c0@black> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what sizes are available? i want to get my order in before the deadline! Thanks, evan --- Claude Voit wrote: > hey if we can't agree on the music or the toys let's > agree on the T > shirt > > :-] > > Claude > > > > Hello Loopers of the World, > > > > Just a reminder that Wed. 18th is the last day > to order shirts. > (If > > last year > > is any indication, about 30 folks will email > me the following week > > asking > > "how to order?") > > > > So far 23 loopers will be sporting this years > model. I would like > to > > see that number > > at least double so that we can send Kim a > decent check. > > > > If you dont want to use paypal, I will accept > checks. I will even > > go ahead and > > place the order on Thursday, if I am assured > "the check is in the > mail". > > > > > http://loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-2003.html > > > > > > *Shirt + USA Priority Shipping* *$20.00* > > *Shirt + Mexico/Canada Global Priority* *$23.00* > > *Shirt + Other Global Priority* *$25.00* > > > > * * > > > > *XXL and XXXL add $1.00 per shirt > > * > > > > *Long Sleeves add $6.50 per shirt > > * > > > > Order with PayPal to jfink@cabq.gov > > > > > > > -jas > > Albuquerque > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:26:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HHNcH02650; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EEF4D53.C2B167DE@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:18:11 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Monterrey OT References: <00b201c3348a$b7ff5100$753bdfc8@fuckinmachine> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BD259B3EEF8868D146C70389" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------BD259B3EEF8868D146C70389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Julio, I don't live in Monterrey but I'm planning to move to Oaxaca (I know it's far away from you) next year from California where I live now. I'd love to hear about looping in Mexico! Tell us what's going on in your area. Do you do looping performances? Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > Somebody in the list live in Monterrey , Mexico ? thanks .julio --------------BD259B3EEF8868D146C70389 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
hi Julio, I don't live in Monterrey but I'm planning to move to Oaxaca (I know it's far away from you) next year from California where I live now.  I'd love to hear about looping in Mexico!  Tell us what's going on in your area.  Do you do looping performances?

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com
 

Somebody in the list live in Monterrey , Mexico ? thanks .julio
--------------BD259B3EEF8868D146C70389-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:33:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HHT8C03395; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:29:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:29:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c334f5$f15afdd0$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20030617171626.38838.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: LD Shirts: Closing in on Last Call Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:29:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com size doesnt matter All sizes are available Claude > what sizes are available? > > i want to get my order in before the deadline! > > Thanks, evan > > --- Claude Voit wrote: > > hey if we can't agree on the music or the toys let's > > agree on the T > > shirt > > > > :-] > > > > Claude > > > > > > > Hello Loopers of the World, > > > > > > Just a reminder that Wed. 18th is the last day > > to order shirts. > > (If > > > last year > > > is any indication, about 30 folks will email > > me the following week > > > asking > > > "how to order?") > > > > > > So far 23 loopers will be sporting this years > > model. I would like > > to > > > see that number > > > at least double so that we can send Kim a > > decent check. > > > > > > If you dont want to use paypal, I will accept > > checks. I will even > > > go ahead and > > > place the order on Thursday, if I am assured > > "the check is in the > > mail". > > > > > > > > http://loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-2003.html > > > > > > > > > *Shirt + USA Priority Shipping* *$20.00* > > > *Shirt + Mexico/Canada Global Priority* *$23.00* > > > *Shirt + Other Global Priority* *$25.00* > > > > > > * * > > > > > > *XXL and XXXL add $1.00 per shirt > > > * > > > > > > *Long Sleeves add $6.50 per shirt > > > * > > > > > > Order with PayPal to jfink@cabq.gov > > > > > > > > > > > -jas > > > Albuquerque > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:36:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HHXbG04046; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:33:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:33:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:33:27 EDT Subject: Re: LD Shirts: Closing in on Last Call To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bf.32d207b5.2c20aae7_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <7QewVC.A.G_.xD17-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_bf.32d207b5.2c20aae7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/17/03 1:29:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > size doesnt matter > i wouldn't look very cute in a small.....:).....michael --part1_bf.32d207b5.2c20aae7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/17/0= 3 1:29:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes:


size doesnt matter


i wouldn't look very cute in a small.....:).....michael --part1_bf.32d207b5.2c20aae7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:42:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HHdN105326; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:39:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:39:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1055871555!72434 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB183@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:37:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C334F7.2C9F4DF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C334F7.2C9F4DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Great stuff. How did you get timps. onto it? it was talking to a sampler.... I don't know about all the spd models, but = the spd-8 has maybe 100 or so of it's own noises (which aren't bad- editabl= e for volume, tuning, pan, velocity sensitivity and decay) which all fall o= ut of a stereo pair at the back. IIRC, it also has an audio input which is = just a simple mix with it's own sounds, though we only used this a couple o= f times. the really cool thing though, is that the 16 pad locations (8 real, 8 shift= ed) and the pedal inputs each have separate midi note number /and/ channel = settings /per patch/. it gets better- each patch can store PC's under each = pad, so that you can set one/some/all pads to the same channel and issue PC= 's to connected sound modules, effects &c, whenever you change patch. so in= theory, you could use it to drive a repeater quite easily...... it was the first of many items I described to my band as being "the best = =A3300 I even spent". the thing seems to be gig-proof aswell. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C334F7.2C9F4DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds

>>Great stuff.  How did you get timps. onto it= ?

it was talking to a sampler.... I don't know about all th= e spd models, but the spd-8 has maybe 100 or so of it's own noises (which a= ren't bad- editable for volume, tuning, pan, velocity sensitivity and decay= ) which all fall out of a stereo pair at the back. IIRC, it also has an aud= io input which is just a simple mix with it's own sounds, though we only us= ed this a couple of times.

the really cool thing though, is that the 16 pad location= s (8 real, 8 shifted) and the pedal inputs each have separate midi note num= ber /and/ channel settings /per patch/. it gets better- each patch can stor= e PC's under each pad, so that you can set one/some/all pads to the same ch= annel and issue PC's to connected sound modules, effects &c, whenever y= ou change patch. so in theory, you could use it to drive a repeater quite e= asily......

it was the first of many items I described to my band as = being "the best =A3300 I even spent".
the thing seems to be gig-proof aswell.

d.




***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=
------_=_NextPart_001_01C334F7.2C9F4DF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:45:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HHbQH04825; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:37:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617173720.85719.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:37:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: LD Shirts: Closing in on Last Call To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001101c334f5$f15afdd0$0100a8c0@black> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2ZRugC.A.QLB.VH17-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Claude Voit wrote: > size doesnt matter > > All sizes are available An old bandmate of mine always had trouble finding his shirt size. He takes an Extra Medium. (Well, he *says* he does...) Ummm, here's the link again: -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:52:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HHoYu06740; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:50:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:50:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB170@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:50:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C334BE.35276270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 17:50:27.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFE5E2A0:01C334F8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C334BE.35276270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds>guys, this thing = would be a great addition to any studio. I have an spd8 from about 13 = years ago, and (even without it's built-in sounds) it's >a fantastic = controller, very flexible. lately we've been using it with the pads = themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impact to the start of = >sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on tymps and = snares. I second that. I've had an SPD-6 for a while, and it's finally getting = some use, after a year or two as a 'studio ornament'. Note: You won't get much worthwhile out of it until I put in some time = learning how to play percussion in the first place. However, this won't = take much time to get something useful out of it - just think how long = it took you to get good with your 'primary' instrument. This will take a = lot less. To my ears, the built in sounds are just horrible - you can practice = with them, but that's about it. Noisy single samples, often just pitched = around to make different drums - such as the bass drum and toms in the = first couple of sound sets. Why does this sound bad? Because the reverb = tail is pitched too, and the whole sound is as grainy as hell. (Not in a = good, original way - in a cheesy, cheap ass way). And the engine keeps = cutting itself off due to polyphony. Stick with it a while, if you've never hit a drum before, and plug it = into another sound source (preferably something that uses velocity for = more than just note volume), and you'll be happy. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the = vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record = collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:55 AM Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds guys, this thing would be a great addition to any studio. I have an = spd8 from about 13 years ago, and (even without it's built-in sounds) = it's a fantastic controller, very flexible. lately we've been using it = with the pads themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impact to the = start of sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on tymps = and snares. d.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]=20 Sent: 17 June 2003 02:08=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds=20 What's that you say? You can't mic your tablas well? Your gong is =20 feeding back? Well, your troubles are over:=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/=20 eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2539405954&ssPageName=3DADME:B:LC:US:1=20 Bought to use in live situations, I never ended up using it much. =20 Keyboard seems to be a better input device for me. So here it goes. = It has a bunch of drum and percussion sounds (I don't think it = actually =20 has a tabla) but where it shines is in triggering other devices. = Trust =20 me, it's so much more dramatic hitting something with a stick than it = is pressing a button or key. Imagine how cool you'll be when your =20 changing the pitch of your Repeater with a stick! (or hand, I never =20 used it in it's stick setting)=20 Mark Sottilaro=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe = *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C334BE.35276270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller = w/sounds
>guys, this thing would be a great addition to = any studio.=20 I have an spd8 from about 13 years ago, and (even without it's built-in = sounds)=20 it's >a fantastic controller, very flexible. lately we've been using = it with=20 the pads themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impact to the start = of=20 >sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on tymps and=20 snares.
 
I second that. I've had an SPD-6 = for a while,=20 and it's finally getting some use, after a year or two as a 'studio=20 ornament'.
 
Note: You=20 won't get much worthwhile out of it until I put in some = time=20 learning how to play percussion in the first place. However, this won't = take=20 much time to get something useful out of it - just think how long it = took you to=20 get good with your 'primary' instrument. This will take a lot=20 less.
 
To my ears, the built in sounds are = just horrible -=20 you can practice with them, but that's about it. Noisy single samples, = often=20 just pitched around to make different drums - such as the bass drum and = toms in=20 the first couple of sound sets. Why does this sound bad? Because the = reverb tail=20 is pitched too, and the whole sound is as grainy as hell. (Not in a = good,=20 original way - in a cheesy, cheap ass way). And the engine keeps cutting = itself=20 off due to polyphony.
 
Stick with it a while, if you've never = hit a drum=20 before, and plug it into another sound source (preferably something = that=20 uses velocity for more than just note volume), and you'll be = happy.
 
 
bIz
 
------------
http://www.groovetronica.com - = "The=20 beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz = singers from=20 my dad's record collection. It's not for me."
------------
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 = 4:55=20 AM
Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 = MIDI=20 Percussion controller w/sounds

guys, this thing would be a great addition to any = studio. I=20 have an spd8 from about 13 years ago, and (even without it's built-in = sounds)=20 it's a fantastic controller, very flexible. lately we've been using it = with=20 the pads themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impact to the = start of=20 sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on tymps and=20 snares.

d.

-----Original Message-----
From: mark=20 [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]=20
Sent: 17 June 2003 02:08
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = FS Roland=20 SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds


What's that you say?  You can't mic your tablas = well?  Your gong is 
feeding = back? =20 Well, your troubles are over:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/
eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2539405954&ssPageName=3DAD= ME:B:LC:US:1=20

Bought to use in live situations, I never ended up = using it=20 much.  
Keyboard seems to be a = better input=20 device for me.  So here it goes.  
It=20 has a bunch of drum and percussion sounds (I don't think it = actually =20
has a tabla) but where it shines is in = triggering=20 other devices.  Trust 
me, it's so = much more=20 dramatic hitting something with a stick than it 
is pressing a button or key.  Imagine how cool you'll be = when=20 your 
changing the pitch of your = Repeater with a=20 stick!  (or hand, I never 
used it = in it's=20 stick setting)

Mark Sottilaro



********************************************************= *******************
CONFIDENTIALITY=20 NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the = ordinary=20 user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may = also
be=20 privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may =
not copy,=20 forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form = whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail = the=20 sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility = to carry=20 out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message = and any=20 attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or = opinions=20 expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not=20 necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless = specifically=20 stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless = so=20 stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications = from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct =
and=20 appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks=20 = Europe
***************************************************************= ************
 ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C334BE.35276270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 13:58:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HHtbn07487; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:55:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:55:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: [repeater-users] Buggy reaction to midi - Repeater or FCB1010 bug? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:53:08 -0700 Message-ID: <005a01c334f9$50065840$4bcd4b43@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <000001c334b1$433a8430$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I found that many of the FCB buttons, when programmed to send a midi > not, is also sending out a CC msg. The extraneous CC, and its value, > seems to differ according to which button used and also to which midi > note is being sent. This can explain some of the troubles ppl have > reported with the FCB. > Mine came with a red sheet of paper titled "MIDI Foot Controller FCB1010 -- Important Information", which said to reset all of the MIDI channel settings in the global setup. I looked at it and set it aside, because I couldn't imagine that they'd ship a product that wouldn't work without reprogramming first. As it turns out, they're right. Mine transmitted badly formed sysex messages for the pedals 'till I reset all of the MIDI channels. YMMV -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "How do I know so much about comedy, you wonder? Easy. I watch a lot of television. Especially the Sunday-morning political roundtables." - Steve Mirsyk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 14:06:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HI4TO08954; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:04:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: [repeater-users] Buggy reaction to midi - Repeater or FCB1010 bug? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:04:24 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002601c334fa$e2dabc00$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <005a01c334f9$50065840$4bcd4b43@hmv5n> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5HI4SB08930 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Dave Hastings [mailto:dhastings@earthlink.net] > > > > I found that many of the FCB buttons, when programmed to > send a midi > > not, is also sending out a CC msg. The extraneous CC, and > its value, > > seems to differ according to which button used and also to > which midi > > note is being sent. This can explain some of the troubles ppl have > > reported with the FCB. > > > > Mine came with a red sheet of paper titled "MIDI Foot > Controller FCB1010 -- Important Information", which said to > reset all of the MIDI channel settings in the global setup. > I looked at it and set it aside, because I couldn't imagine > that they'd ship a product that wouldn't work without > reprogramming first. As it turns out, they're right. Mine > transmitted badly formed sysex messages for the pedals 'till > I reset all of the MIDI channels. Good post, Dave! Thanks. Mine did not come with such red paper, so I didn't know this. ASAP I'll back up my programmings to midi and do the resetting in the global menu. Maybe that is why mine is sending extreaneous commands? Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 14:12:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HI9J110015; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:09:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:09:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mexican loopers:Re: Monterrey OT Message-ID: <1055872955.3eef57bbf3a5a@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:02:35 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 212.195.215.205 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I know several people looping in Mexico,and there are some of them in this List: Louie Angulo in Germany, Alex Martinez in Guadalajara And Myself in Paris,France! Andy Soto ------------------------------------------------- Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 14:13:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HI63G09251; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:06:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:06:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: "'Tim Nelson'" Cc: Subject: RE: Batt'ries.../laws which discriminate against loopers Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:05:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c334fb$1a833d30$0202a8c0@ALMMOBILE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030617164154.86231.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude, To make a Boss RC-20 work "right" try running your signal into an A/B box or a mutable tuner like the Boss TU2 and then go into the CD-IN (Aux-IN) jack on the back of the RC20 instead of the Vocal or Instrument inputs that suck and color your sound. You'll need to boost your input level to a line level signal which you can do with any type of mixer. "Rolls" has a tiny little one for cheap that I've used if you are looking for portability. With this set up you can mute the sound from coming thru the unit when you are not recording your loops to eliminate any phasing problems and your tone will be all good. I did that for a while until I got an EDP which takes care of all those problems plus so much more. Thanks, Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Batt'ries.../laws which discriminate against loopers --- Jeffrey Lomas wrote: > The DL-4 manual says it has a battery life of 30 > hours. I think this is > pretty accurate based on my earlier experiences. I couldn't find any C's, so I went with the RC-20. Plusses: it's smaller, longer loop time Minuses: no half speed, no on-board delay, ugly color And even with the best intentions of staying as small/simple as possible, after a short trial run, I added a volume pedal to the (micro)rig. Also, as I feared, the little plastic speaker on the Smokey sounded like crap with the acoustic, so I had to use the Pignose. (The Smokey actually sounds good driving a 4x12 cabinet, but that sort of defeats the purpose...) I think I'm gonna do it again today with the DL4. HOWEVER... The thing that complicates it is that Portsmouth has an ordinance which forbids amplified busking. I know a guy who used to drag his entire drum kit out there on the sidewalk and he was within the law. Technically, a screeching set of highland bagpipes or a grand piano would be OK, but using a 1 watt amp to play loops at a volume matching the unamplified acoustic guitar is a no-no. I know the purpose of the law is to keep the noise down, but it's frustrating... So, if I go across the bridge to Portsmouth, I need to stay discreet re: the amp, and the Pignose, while only the size of a shoebox, was making me a little paranoid, even though it was semi-concealed in a little backpack. Plus, the skeeters had come out by then, so I didn't stay long! > I don't use it with > batteries anymore, because I have a tendency to > forget to unplug it :). That won't be a problem; I'm not planning on leaving it in Market Square! :-) (A couple of my electric guitars have jack-switched active electronics, and when looping at home, forgetting to unplug *can* be a problem!) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 15:42:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HJcrm17776; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:38:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:38:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:38:45 -0700 Subject: Re: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4F1B70AC-A0FB-11D7-9E31-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5HJcpB17745 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I totally agree, this baby isn't for it's own sounds, it's better as a controller. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 10:50 AM, sserendipity wrote: > To my ears, the built in sounds are just horrible - you can practice > with them, but that's about it.... Stick with it a while, if you've > never hit a drum before, and plug it into another sound source > (preferably something that uses velocity for more than just note > volume), and you'll be happy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 15:51:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HJmlv18685; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EEF7378.F0D9E3D3@erols.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:00:56 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Batt'ries... References: <20030617043506.90458.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Tidwell wrote: > --- lol c wrote: > > > > on a counter-question, are either of your adapters > > official?i dont have the > > cash to spend on the expensive boss and line6 > > adapters but im a bit scared > > of blowing my beautiful effects away on a non > > recomended one. > > I'm using the Godlyke Power-All (2 in fact) to power > not only my Line6 DL-4, but also the following: > > Roland PK-5 > Roland GI-10 > Oberheim Drummer > JKJ CV-5 > ART X-15 > Roger Linn Adrenalinn > various Boss,Dano,& Arion fx pedals > > The Power-All puts out 9v DC up to 1.7 amps. It comes > with a 5 connector daisy chain & a variety of > adaptors that allows for non standard barrel size > (the DL-4 requires the green adaptor) or center pin > positive devices. > > I love this thing! It's allowed me to rid my rack of > several wall-warts & has me using pedal fx that I > haven't touched in years. Not bad for around $40. > > I just wish my Vortex, Alesis SR-16, & Rocktron mixer > used 9v DC instead of AC. I'd have nary a wart at all. > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com Hi John, This Godlyke Power-all powers an Adrenalinn with no problem? I have an Adrenalinn as well as some boss pedals on my pedal board. I'd love to power them all from one plug. Cool. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 16:20:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HKIr621561; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:18:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:18:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617201851.56834.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: [repeater-users] Buggy reaction to midi - Repeater or FCB1010 bug? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005a01c334f9$50065840$4bcd4b43@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dave Hastings wrote: > > > > I found that many of the FCB buttons, when programmed to send a midi > > not, is also sending out a CC msg. The extraneous CC, and its value, > > seems to differ according to which button used and also to which midi > > note is being sent. This can explain some of the troubles ppl have > > reported with the FCB. > > > > Mine came with a red sheet of paper titled "MIDI Foot Controller FCB1010 -- > Important Information", which said to reset all of the MIDI channel settings > in the global setup. I looked at it and set it aside, because I couldn't > imagine that they'd ship a product that wouldn't work without reprogramming > first. As it turns out, they're right. Mine transmitted badly formed sysex > messages for the pedals 'till I reset all of the MIDI channels. Bugs and bad programming aside, the FCB comes pre-programmed to use with Behringer's midi controlled amps and the V-AMP. To program it to use with some other device, you HAVE to go CLEAR OUT whatever they've programmed for the default in the preset. Simply programming one "slot" in the preset does NOT clear the other slots. So if you set the Note value, it doesn't reset the CC/PC messages also sent in that preset unless you go into each one and remove the values! I suspect that was the original problem. You need to explicitly program all the slots that were in the default programming. An option to completely zero the machine would be nice (as opposed to restoring the factory defaults), but I don't remember seeing that in the manual. Might be there, it's been awhile... Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 17:33:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HLWPg28471; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:32:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:32:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: [repeater-users] Buggy reaction to midi - Repeater or FCB1010 bug? Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:32:20 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002b01c33517$ef08b0f0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030617201851.56834.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Bugs and bad programming aside, the FCB comes pre-programmed > to use with Behringer's midi controlled amps and the V-AMP. > To program it to use with some other device, you HAVE to go > CLEAR OUT whatever they've programmed for the default in the preset. > > Simply programming one "slot" in the preset does NOT clear > the other slots. So if you set the Note value, it doesn't > reset the CC/PC messages also sent in that preset unless you > go into each one and remove the values! > > I suspect that was the original problem. You need to > explicitly program all the slots that were in the default > programming. An option to completely zero the machine would > be nice (as opposed to restoring the factory defaults), but I > don't remember seeing that in the manual. Might be there, > it's been awhile... > > Greg Hi Greg, Of course I did disable every "switch" not used for a program. When troubleshooting this I went so far as to disable all switches except the one that sent two messages instead of the one assigned to it. Otherwise I think this is a great feature of the FCB; ability to send out multiple commands from pressing one button. Regards Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 17:35:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HLXJ428659; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:33:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030616085230.67019.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6NzqXD.A.r_G.fk47-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not soundscaping or Frippertronics (except one cut), but the Fripp/Sylvian work from the early 1990's (The First Day/Damage) was everything that the 1990's King Crimson should have been. And if you saw them live, which I did not, it evidently looked just like a 1990's Crimson show with respect to Robert Fripp. At the Lanois concert in San Francisco, incidentally, Brian Blade was more or less in darkness most of the time. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 17:41:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HLdnQ29913; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:39:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:39:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Found: dynamic filter for live looping Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:39:44 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002c01c33518$f77fa210$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB16B@LON-MAIL07> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, A big thanks to everyone that sent me filter advices! I found a used Akai MFC42 at a fair price and will be picking it up on Sunday, hopefully ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 18:16:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HMEYj01012; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:14:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:14:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617221433.68547.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > At the Lanois concert in San Francisco, incidentally, Brian Blade was more > or less in darkness most of the time. Personally, I'd prefer to perform without people staring at me, but it doesn't seem likely that anyone's going to pay for that. If they just wanted to hear music, they could listen to a CD at home. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 18:37:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HMZV603676; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:35:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:35:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617223525.29745.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:35:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Batt'ries... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- lol c wrote: > on a counter-question, are either of your adapters > official? The Line6 one is, and the RC-20's is not. Depending on which of my pedalboards I'm using, I power the Boss/DigiTech/Guyatone/whatever stuff with either a SignalFlex PS-9, an Arion power supply that used to be part of one of their little briefcase-style pedalboards, or a OneSpot transformer with an adapter chain. Some of my other pedals (like the Digitech ones)came with their own warts, some of which I use and some I don't; same with my rack stuff. (You can see the larger of my rack/pedalboard setups in the photos section at , the smaller one I'm using now isn't posted yet) The closest I ever came to frying anything with any of these was when I first powered up one of the little Guyatone microseries pedals and it stopped working. It stayed that way for two days, then was fine; I think caps had to drain to reset it or something like that. (Then I took it out of its little case and installed it onboard one of my guitars which you can see in the 'photos' section of ) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 18:45:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HMiWP05161; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:42:24 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016401c33521$b8fbabc0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030617221433.68547.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" > --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > At the Lanois concert in San Francisco, incidentally, Brian Blade was more > > or less in darkness most of the time. > > Personally, I'd prefer to perform without people staring at me, but it doesn't > seem likely that anyone's going to pay for that. If they just wanted to hear > music, they could listen to a CD at home. Generally, I don't like to look at them while I'm playing. When I finally get around to it, they're rarely looking at me. The audience has their eyes closed, they're looking at an undefined point in space, drooling....sleeping. It's OK by me. They like it that way. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 19:12:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HNAts09326; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:10:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:10:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c33525$6ba148e0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: brian blade - lanois - bootlegs... Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:08:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <2wTSiD.A.lRC.__57-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com brian blade is one of the new greats. i saw him with bill frissell. i was mesmerized by blades performance. does anyone have and bootlegs from the blade lanois shows ??? wouldn't that be grand!? jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hamburg To: Looper's Delight Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes > Not soundscaping or Frippertronics (except one cut), but the Fripp/Sylvian > work from the early 1990's (The First Day/Damage) was everything that the > 1990's King Crimson should have been. > > And if you saw them live, which I did not, it evidently looked just like a > 1990's Crimson show with respect to Robert Fripp. > > At the Lanois concert in San Francisco, incidentally, Brian Blade was more > or less in darkness most of the time. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 19:39:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5HNblW13572; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:37:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:37:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030617233741.73094.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:37:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Batt'ries... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EEF7378.F0D9E3D3@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John Mazzarella wrote: > > Hi John, > This Godlyke Power-all powers an Adrenalinn with > no problem? I have > an Adrenalinn as well as some boss pedals on my > pedal board. I'd love > to power them all from one plug. Cool. I've been using the Godlyke with the Adrenalinn for several months with no problems. You just need to use the red adaptor cable (included) as the Adrenalinn is center pin positive. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 21:41:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5I1d8g24267; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:39:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:39:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030618013902.62259.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:39:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Batt'ries... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- lol c wrote: > good luck with you busk-loop. lemme know how it goes > cos i have had some > similar ideas but never gotton round to it. Well, this afternoon I went out for a couple of hours on my second test run. Same setup as yesterday except I brought the DL4 instead of the RC-20, and was eBow-less due to a dead 9 volt! The anti-amp legislation still had me a little inhibited; I had the Pignose stashed covertly in a backpack, but the big, honkin' green DL4 was a bit too obvious. At one point, a bicycle cop passed right by me, looked right at me, nodded and didn't stop. It was probably because 1) the "amplified" loops were no louder than the acoustic, 2) I was playing oooh!-so-pretty fingerstyle and/or 3) all of the nearby park benches were occupied by young ladies in walking shorts and he didn't want to be seen as a Blue Meany. Even though the young ladies in walking shorts definitely showed all the right symptoms of enjoying the music, I really did feel a little constrained. It's a different vibe from a regular gig; if I'm playing a club or a gallery, someplace where the audience comes *in* expecting to hear live music, I don't feel like someone's about to come up and tell me I'm being intrusive. I think it must have been the amp, as I often take a mandola or a bouzouki along to pass the time while waiting for the clothes to dry at the laundromat... The only comment from a passerby that acknowledged the fact that I was looping came from a guy pushing a stroller who, upon seeing the DL4 at my feet, remarked "Aha! I THOUGHT it sounded like there was more than one of you!" I may try it again tomorrow with sitar instead of git-tar... Since both the DL4 and the RC-20 now have batteries in them, maybe I'll use both of 'em. Pretty soon, I'll look like Steve Martin in 'The Jerk'; "I don't need anything. Just this. And this. And the paddle game... And a lap steel... And..." -t- np: the television, where a public service spot for Americans for the Arts just aired. The ad features a dour, grouchy, art-deprived little boy who passes a violinist playing in the park and tells him to "Get a job." Ouch. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 17 23:38:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5I3bSF02592; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:37:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:37:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.78] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:37:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 03:37:22.0113 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED45C310:01C3354A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow Im so totally there man!!!! thanks so much for that tip. will you(or any other loopers on list be there on the sat(6th???) after independence day? I'll be the tired english guy with heat stroke!!!! Phill Wilson >Definitely drop into open loop (http://loopNY.com) -- also, look at >http://extremeNY.com/list for interesting shows. >>http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every >Saturday! >http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the >calendar. >http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the >calendar. > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 00:59:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5I4wZ609364; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:58:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:57:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Wow Im so totally there man!!!! >thanks so much for that tip. >will you(or any other loopers on list be there on the sat(6th???) >after independence day? >I'll be the tired english guy with heat stroke!!!! I actually am not sure if I'm there or not. I might be going to Montreal though I might be leaving the next day. Drop me an email before you show up and I'll also let you know what good parties and shows are coming up... and the same goes for any of you visiting! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 02:00:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5I5x2K14272; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:59:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:59:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:58:41 -0700 Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, i'll also be visiting new york at the same time. i was thinking of bringing my cello + repeater to openLoop, although i've never been. if you go, i will too. i'll be the tall redhead with the cello. anyone else? > From: "lol c" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:37:21 +0000 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:37:28 -0400 > > Wow Im so totally there man!!!! > thanks so much for that tip. > will you(or any other loopers on list be there on the sat(6th???) after > independence day? > I'll be the tired english guy with heat stroke!!!! > > Phill Wilson > > >> Definitely drop into open loop (http://loopNY.com) -- also, look at >> http://extremeNY.com/list for interesting shows. >>> http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every >> Saturday! >> http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the >> calendar. >> http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the >> calendar. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 03:32:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5I7VTt20275; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:31:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:31:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Whatever Happened to Denis Taaffe Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:31:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Mysterious Looper Types--going thru months old emails to delete and wondered--what happened to the other DT? He had a fire sale, saying he was moving ASAP--his website http://www.dtguitar.com/whatsnew.html has nothing since Feb 2003--wonder if he's OK? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 04:04:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5I83CB22193; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:03:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c33570$0d5465b0$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: Subject: loopfest, cambridge UK, this saturday 21st June Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:03:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The First (International) Cambridge Festival of Looping (in association with LEAPS) http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ when : june 21st 2003, from 8pm where : the michaelhouse cafe, cambridge, england where's that? : http://www.michaelhouse.org.uk/ what's looping? : http://www.loopers-delight.com/ who : rick walker's loop.pool http://www.looppool.info/ theo travis http://www.theotravis.com/ darkroom http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/ cos chapman & guy avern http://www.rudemechanicals.org.uk/ pete um http://www.umbusiness.co.uk/ peter chilvers http://www.burningshed.com/chilvers/ matthias grob (TBC) http://matthias.grob.org/ for more information, please visit the website: http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 05:13:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5I95NT25658; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C99EB60AB44B44B901B6F0678BE27C013B6620@fdcem001> From: Baldwin Tim To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:05:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C33578.BAF80570" Resent-Message-ID: <28eZN.A.yQG.TtC8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C33578.BAF80570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Mark. Any joy on scanning the SPD 6 Manual? Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: 17 June 2003 16:29 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds I can't remember if tympany is one of the instruments it does, but it would be really simple to get it to trigger another unit (rompler or sampler) that has them. No pitch bend though. http://www.rolandus.com/products/ details.asp?CatID=5&SubCatID=26&ProdID=SPD-6 Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 06:34 AM, Baldwin Tim wrote: > Great stuff. How did you get timps. onto it? > > > Tim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] > Sent: 17 June 2003 13:08 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds > > > > guys, this thing would be a great addition to any studio. I have an > spd8 > from about 13 years ago, and (even without it's built-in sounds) it's a > fantastic controller, very flexible. lately we've been using it with > the > pads themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impact to the start of > sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on tymps and > snares. > > d. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark [ mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net > ] > Sent: 17 June 2003 02:08 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds > > > What's that you say? You can't mic your tablas well? Your gong is > feeding back? Well, your troubles are over: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539405954&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 > > Bought to use in live situations, I never ended up using it much. > Keyboard seems to be a better input device for me. So here it goes. > It has a bunch of drum and percussion sounds (I don't think it actually > has a tabla) but where it shines is in triggering other devices. Trust > me, it's so much more dramatic hitting something with a stick than it > is pressing a button or key. Imagine how cool you'll be when your > changing the pitch of your Repeater with a stick! (or hand, I never > used it in it's stick setting) > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > *********************************************************************** > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *********************************************************************** > **** > > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. > If you have received this email in error please return it to the > address > it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from > your system. > > This email message has been swept for computer viruses. > > ********************************************************************** > > PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return it to the address it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from your system. This email message has been swept for computer viruses. ********************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_000_01C33578.BAF80570 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Baldwin Tim.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Baldwin Tim.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Baldwin;Tim FN:Baldwin Tim ORG:;PSDB TEL;WORK;VOICE:01403 213861 ADR;WORK:;Langhurst LABEL;WORK:Langhurst EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Tim.Baldwin@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk REV:20000526T092052Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01C33578.BAF80570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 05:28:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5I9ROi27028; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:27:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:27:15 EDT Subject: Torn and Belew video FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thinning out the archives: David Torn's "Painting With Guitar" - 2 Video (VHS) set. Adrien Belew's "Electronic Guitar" Video (VHS). Both like new, in original plastic boxes, viewed once. Email off list if interested. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 06:20:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IAJ8F30361; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:19:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: Torn and Belew video FS Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:19:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9sJv4D.A.RaH.cyD8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Totally interested, in both. :-) I'd been meaning to get these for years and years. What is your asking price? Jim Poppen > -----Original Message----- > From: PMimlitsch@aol.com [mailto:PMimlitsch@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:27 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Torn and Belew video FS > > > Thinning out the archives: > > David Torn's "Painting With Guitar" - 2 Video (VHS) set. > Adrien Belew's "Electronic Guitar" Video (VHS). > > Both like new, in original plastic boxes, viewed once. Email off list if > interested. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 10:37:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IEZFG18644; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:35:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:35:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <13.1e62aee9.2c21d297@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:35:03 EDT Subject: edp foot control question To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com CC: sradtke@gibson.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13.1e62aee9.2c21d297_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10638 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13.1e62aee9.2c21d297_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so my foot control for my edp was acting funny....open it up to find a severed wire going to the insert button resister............had someone try to solder it back but there wasn't enough lead on the resister......replaced resister with one laying around...........the new resister made the pedals insert button function differently.......went to a local electronics store to try and match the good resister (no luck).......lost resister..............my question...........what kind of resister do i need to make the insert button function properly. thanks for help and advice in advance. brian --part1_13.1e62aee9.2c21d297_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so my foot control for my edp was acting funny....open= it up to find a severed wire going to the insert button resister...........= .had someone try to solder it back but there wasn't enough lead on the resis= ter......replaced resister with one laying around...........the new resister= made the pedals insert button function differently.......went to a local el= ectronics store to try and match the good resister (no luck).......lost resi= ster..............my question...........what kind of resister do i need to m= ake the insert button function properly.

thanks for help and advice in advance.
brian --part1_13.1e62aee9.2c21d297_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 11:15:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IFDW823444; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:13:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:13:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jody Rael" To: Subject: RE: Batt'ries... Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:13:24 -0400 Message-ID: <9F5857F63727644090BEBC1EEC33F8DE015BEB@server.kling.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3EEF7378.F0D9E3D3@erols.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I power my Adrenalinn (uses 7.5VDC) with 9VDC no problem just make sure polarity is correct- and you takes your chances- Jody Rael Hi John, This Godlyke Power-all powers an Adrenalinn with no problem? I have an Adrenalinn as well as some boss pedals on my pedal board. I'd love to power them all from one plug. Cool. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 11:15:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IFE4i23514; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:14:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:14:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: edp foot control question Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:15:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c335ac$63da3e00$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <13.1e62aee9.2c21d297@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what kind of resister do i need to make the insert > button function properly. Check out: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html for lots o' good info, including resistor values...(looks like 1% metal film 4.75K ohms) Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 12:02:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IFuXT28543; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:56:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:56:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF08BA9.9090107@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:56:25 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: C Chance, Contact me References: <200306171754.h5HHs6407320@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200306171754.h5HHs6407320@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the off topic post, but I gotta know what size shirt you want before I can order it! Personal emails to your address are not getting responded to. -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 12:11:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IG9lO29738; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:09:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:09:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF08EC3.5060104@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:09:39 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD Shirts - Deadline Today References: <200306171754.h5HHs6407320@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200306171754.h5HHs6407320@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Today is the last day, folks... 32 shirts currently on order, Another dozen would be nice! It is still not to late to contribute a little something to this great list. Paypal or email me if you want to send a check. http://www.loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-2003.html Color: Black Long and/or Short Sleeves Sizes: Small, Medium, Large, XL, XXL, XXXL ( the "Extra Mediums" have been discontinued due to technical difficulties) * *Shirt + USA Priority Shipping* *$20.00* *Shirt + Mexico/Canada Global Priority* *$23.00* *Shirt + Other Global Priority* *$25.00* * * XXL and XXXL add $1.00 per shirt **Long Sleeve add $6.50 per shirt* *Make sure to include shirt size and shipping address with your order.* *Order with PayPal to jfink@cabq.gov * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 12:15:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IGAL729859; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030618161019.60401.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:10:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: The Bounciest of Squirrels... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <587jUC.A.aSH.t7I8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Goddess wrote: > OK, I think I fixed it. It was the space. So, you can now find it > here: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/BouncySquirrels.wav > > So lemme' know if it works, and what ya think, K? Have an even more > bouncy evening!... As always, excellent! Thanks for sharing. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 12:15:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IG9vQ29786; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: My remarcable FCB1010 bug solved :-) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:09:52 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002401c335b4$0cf082e0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002b01c33517$ef08b0f0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, After some more experimenting here I found out that my Behringer FCB1010 always is sending an extra midi continuous controller on midi channel 8 together with the midi data it is programmed to send out. This does not apply to the two expression pedals, only the pad buttons. Since I was using my EDP on ch 2 and my Repeater on ch 8 I ran into trouble. Now I found a solution in moving the Repeater to ch 3, staying away from ch 8. It could be interesting to hear if only my FCB has this "personal touch" or if other FCB users have experienced this? Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 12:43:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IGfTg02643; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:41:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:41:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13.1e62aee9.2c21d297@aol.com> References: <13.1e62aee9.2c21d297@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:41:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Stereo EDP issue Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been playing with two EDPs in stereo again. I used to use a stereo pair quite a while ago, but was unhappy with the stereo image shifting. Now that I've upgraded the pair to Loop IV I thought I'd give them another shot as a stereo device. Once again I was very unhappy with the stereo image and long-term synchronization. Sometimes they would record somewhat different lengths of loops so that they would drift apart quite quickly. I was heading back to the conclusion that they didn't really work for me as a stereo pair, other reports to the contrary. Then, I found my problem. Everything works pretty well _IF_ you don't use a Threshold value. When a recording Threshold is used each EDP starts recording when its Threshold is crossed individually. Even if the Threshold is set the same on both units, the stereo input signal can be different on each channel, causing different start times. The more uncorrelated the two channels are the worse thing are. While I miss using Threshold recording, I'm really happy that stereo works. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 12:56:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IGn6p04316; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:49:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:49:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c335b9$85cafb00$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <200306171754.h5HHs6407320@hemlock.violacea.com> <3EF08EC3.5060104@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: LD Shirts - Deadline Today Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:49:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 16:49:05.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[87591510:01C335B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Justoprdered mine - yahoo ! 3 loopers delight t-shirts ! (next year can we have blue again - that is my favorite) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: LD Shirts - Deadline Today > > > Today is the last day, folks... 32 shirts currently on order, > Another dozen would be nice! It is still not to late to contribute > a little something to this great list. > > Paypal or email me if you want to send a check. > > http://www.loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-2003.html > > Color: Black > Long and/or Short Sleeves > Sizes: Small, Medium, Large, XL, XXL, XXXL > ( the "Extra Mediums" have been discontinued due to technical difficulties) > > * > *Shirt + USA Priority Shipping* *$20.00* > *Shirt + Mexico/Canada Global Priority* *$23.00* > *Shirt + Other Global Priority* *$25.00* > > * > > * > XXL and XXXL add $1.00 per shirt > **Long Sleeve add $6.50 per shirt* > > *Make sure to include shirt size and shipping address with your order.* > > *Order with PayPal to jfink@cabq.gov * > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 12:56:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IGsW905234; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:54:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <137.213a64d0.2c21f33a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:54:18 EDT Subject: Re: loopfest, cambridge UK, this saturday 21st June To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE record this!!!! with the intention of letting the rest of us hear it.....looks like a wonderful show.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 13:11:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IHA7m07098; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF02D38.4736@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:13:30 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "Bassloop", the CD References: <20030618161019.60401.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I've been in "New Dad Land" but the project is very much alive.At this point we have 16 steller contributers and a game plan similer to "Loopers Delight Vol I" In that proceeds above and beyond the printing costs will go to Kim and Loopers Delight.Artists will receive worldwide fame(via the LD site)their own personal copy,a shot at every bass publication I know of,and the knowledge that they have personally influenced the evolution of BASS.I'm also trying to work it so the CD will be available at future Bass Looping festivals(hello Rick) Is this agreeable to everyone?? Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 13:20:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IHHhR08130; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:17:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:17:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:17:36 -0700 Subject: Re: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <39C99EB60AB44B44B901B6F0678BE27C013B6620@fdcem001> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll try to get to that when I gather everything to box it up for shipping. Mark On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 02:05 AM, Baldwin Tim wrote: > Thanks Mark. Any joy on scanning the SPD 6 Manual? > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: 17 June 2003 16:29 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds > > > I can't remember if tympany is one of the instruments it does, but it > would be really simple to get it to trigger another unit (rompler or > sampler) that has them. No pitch bend though. > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/ > details.asp?CatID=5&SubCatID=26&ProdID=SPD-6 > > Mark Sottilaro > On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 06:34 AM, Baldwin Tim wrote: > >> Great stuff. How did you get timps. onto it? >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] >> Sent: 17 June 2003 13:08 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds >> >> >> >> guys, this thing would be a great addition to any studio. I have an >> spd8 >> from about 13 years ago, and (even without it's built-in sounds) it's >> a >> fantastic controller, very flexible. lately we've been using it with >> the >> pads themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impact to the start >> of >> sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on tymps and >> snares. >> >> d. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mark [ mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net >> ] >> Sent: 17 June 2003 02:08 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds >> >> >> What's that you say? You can't mic your tablas well? Your gong is >> feeding back? Well, your troubles are over: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ >> eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539405954&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 >> >> Bought to use in live situations, I never ended up using it much. >> Keyboard seems to be a better input device for me. So here it goes. >> It has a bunch of drum and percussion sounds (I don't think it >> actually >> has a tabla) but where it shines is in triggering other devices. >> Trust >> me, it's so much more dramatic hitting something with a stick than it >> is pressing a button or key. Imagine how cool you'll be when your >> changing the pitch of your Repeater with a stick! (or hand, I never >> used it in it's stick setting) >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> * >> **** >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >> be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may >> not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it >> in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, >> please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. >> >> It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other >> checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not >> affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this >> e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >> represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, >> nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. >> >> MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from >> external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct >> and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. >> >> MTV Networks Europe >> ********************************************************************** >> * >> **** >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended >> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >> addressed. >> If you have received this email in error please return it to the >> address >> it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from >> your system. >> >> This email message has been swept for computer viruses. >> >> ********************************************************************** >> >> > > > PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. > > On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the > Government > Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by > Cable & > Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. > > GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further > details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT > helpdesk. > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. > If you have received this email in error please return it to the > address > it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from > your system. > > This email message has been swept for computer viruses. > > ********************************************************************** > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 14:04:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5II1UZ14383; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:01:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:01:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030618105646.04319ec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:01:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LD Shirts - Deadline Today In-Reply-To: <3EF08EC3.5060104@cabq.gov> References: <200306171754.h5HHs6407320@hemlock.violacea.com> <200306171754.h5HHs6407320@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks a lot to everybody who is ordering a shirt! The t-shirt project was a very successful fund raising effort in the past, and hopefully it will be as successful this year. This is how Looper's Delight survives and pays it's bills, so please help if you can! and thanks a lot to Jason and his wife for organizing this project. It's a big effort, and I think we all appreciate it. thanks! kim At 09:09 AM 6/18/2003, Jason Fink wrote: >Today is the last day, folks... 32 shirts currently on order, >Another dozen would be nice! It is still not to late to contribute >a little something to this great list. > >Paypal or email me if you want to send a check. > >http://www.loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-2003.html > >Color: Black >Long and/or Short Sleeves >Sizes: Small, Medium, Large, XL, XXL, XXXL >( the "Extra Mediums" have been discontinued due to technical difficulties) > >* >*Shirt + USA Priority Shipping* *$20.00* >*Shirt + Mexico/Canada Global Priority* *$23.00* >*Shirt + Other Global Priority* *$25.00* > >* > >* >XXL and XXXL add $1.00 per shirt >**Long Sleeve add $6.50 per shirt* > >*Make sure to include shirt size and shipping address with your order.* > >*Order with PayPal to jfink@cabq.gov * > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 14:26:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IIOmf17591; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:24:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024b01c335c7$75f35070$6601a8c0@DG98L011> Reply-To: "Herb" From: "Herb" To: Subject: Amy X Neuburg pipes (was: Live Looping Techniques) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:28:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a message Amy asked me to post. - Herb ---------- Hi folks -- Amy X Neuburg here... Herb forwarded me this discourse about whether or not my stuff is live, and I felt compelled to pipe in. Yeah, it's live -- the only tune in which I use a sequence is the Finnish song, which begins with a bass "motif" stored in the DrumKat. My synth sounds, drum sounds and short samples are all triggered by hitting the drums, and the looping happens right before your very eyes (also by hitting the drums). I can see how someone might think there is pre-recorded material -- my pieces are highly structured and meticulously choreographed, and I do them the same way every time -- but that "danger" element of live looping is actually enormous; if I hit one wrong pad the whole song can come crashing down, and I can't fudge over it with improv. Hope that clarifies things a bit. BTW I have another show in New York this Friday June 20, so come see for yourself! http://www.location1.org. Love and xx - a > > Ahoy-- > > Amy was using the EDP and some of it was live, but she also uses > sequences > > and samples that she triggers from drum triggers. > > I don't know exactly what she's doing but it IS quite a show and there > IS a > > battleplan--it's not the seat of the pants approach that Stanner > > favors--both things are good, and both artists delivered in Santa Cruz. > > I am having some real good results with the two EDP approach--drums on > one, > > "melody" on the other--might schlep it up to Santa Cruz if I can make it > > when Rick gets back--BTW Rick, long time, no hear from--what the buzz? > > Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 5:30 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Live Looping Techniques > > > > > > On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 05:19 PM, > > wrote: > > > > > that said i know everybody creamed their jeans for and her > > > show of pre recorded stuff at loopfest YK... lastyear or whatever it > > > was called :-), but 4 me... i like it live...thats where danger lives > > > > Hey Stan, if it was the Santa Cruz show you're talking about, that was > > all live. No prerecorded loops. All done with an EDP. It wasn't > > improvised, but it was surely live. > > > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 15:08:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IJ6DB21471; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c335cc$ac714210$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <200306171754.h5HHs6407320@hemlock.violacea.com> <200306171754.h5HHs6407320@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030618105646.04319ec0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: LD Shirts - Deadline Today Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:06:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C335D5.0A28AD50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 19:06:11.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE709480:01C335CC] Resent-Message-ID: <0evsm.A.SPF.lgL8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C335D5.0A28AD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks a lot to everybody who is ordering a shirt! The t-shirt project = was=20 a very successful fund raising effort in the past, and hopefully it = will be=20 as successful this year. This is how Looper's Delight survives and = pays=20 it's bills, so please help if you can! =20 and thanks a lot to Jason and his wife for organizing this project. = It's a=20 big effort, and I think we all appreciate it. =20 thanks! kim One of my favourite things about this 'e-community is the way people = help each other out, i don't post a lot (generally because someone has = beaten me to something or i just don't know, but i have learnt a lot = here. It makes a refreshing change (people helping each other out) as opposed = to 'trolling', it's something you see precious little of online ! Personally i love to help out by buying the t-shirts (and i'm going to = order the cd's when i get a few more pounds), I just like to echo Kim's = thanks to Jason and 'Mrs Jason' :) David ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C335D5.0A28AD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks a lot to everybody who = is ordering=20 a shirt! The t-shirt project was 
a very successful fund = raising=20 effort in the past, and hopefully it will be 
as successful = this=20 year. This is how Looper's Delight survives and pays 
it's = bills, so=20 please help if you can!
 
and thanks a lot to Jason and = his wife=20 for organizing this project. It's a 
big effort, and I think = we all=20 appreciate it.
 
thanks!
kim
One of my favourite things = about this=20 'e-community is the way people help each other out, i don't post a lot=20 (generally because someone has beaten me to something or i just don't = know, but=20 i have learnt a lot here.
It makes a refreshing = change (people=20 helping each other out) as opposed to 'trolling', it's something you see = precious little of online !
 
Personally i love to help = out by buying=20 the t-shirts (and i'm going to order the cd's when i get a few more = pounds), I=20 just like to echo Kim's thanks to Jason and 'Mrs Jason'
 
:)
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C335D5.0A28AD50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 15:23:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IJKVi23298; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:20:18 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Stereo EDP issue In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00bb01c335ce$a7e93700$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com do you have synch set to in on the slave unit? i assume you are using the brother synch cable (trs) if all this is true, you should be able to set threshold on the master unit. if you are using midi synch, then i think you will have such problems. i only have one edp, so i may be full of it, but i had great fun once with another edp-er using brother synch, and had no issue with loops gettin out of synch. >... > While I miss using Threshold recording, I'm really happy that > stereo works. > > Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 16:07:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IK4Sn29389; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:04:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:04:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:07:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7F535178-A1C8-11D7-89ED-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Not soundscaping or Frippertronics (except one cut), but the > Fripp/Sylvian > work from the early 1990's (The First Day/Damage) was everything that > the > 1990's King Crimson should have been. i feel the same way. it's not a very common feeling though. nowadays Bob and Dave are not speaking to one another. very sad. > And if you saw them live, which I did not, it evidently looked just > like a > 1990's Crimson show with respect to Robert Fripp. yes. i have the laserdisc of the show, and that's pretty much true. Michael Brook is more present in the mix on the video, i prefer it to the Damage album. however, during "God's Monkey" he doesn't play a shred-solo after the looping, Dave starts singing again after Bob builds his loops. > At the Lanois concert in San Francisco, incidentally, Brian Blade was > more > or less in darkness most of the time. is that the same Brian Blade who plays with Joshua Redman? speaking of Joshua Redman, he's doing quite a bit of cool looping and processing lately. i did an organ rental a couple months ago and both he and Sam Yahel (the bass-playing organist/keyboardist) had Repeaters and significant amounts of processing. it was pretty cool ... very down-and-dirty with smooth elements. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 16:07:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IK5md29597; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:05:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:05:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00bb01c335ce$a7e93700$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <00bb01c335ce$a7e93700$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:05:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: RE: Stereo EDP issue Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:20 PM -0500 6/18/03, Jim Palmer wrote: >do you have synch set to in on the slave unit? Manual says not to. >i assume you are using the brother synch cable (trs) Yes. >if all this is true, you should be able to set >threshold on the master unit. Setting master also sets slave. The master button presses are transmitted to the slave. -C -- _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 16:46:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IKhEE04693; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:43:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:43:19 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Stereo EDP issue In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00cf01c335da$40ee2f40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, this is a little unclear. the stereo section of the manual says nothing about sync settings, other than mentioning a brothersync connection. the sync section says: "All Echoplexes using BrotherSync should set Sync=Out." but i have definitely used the brothersync connection to sync two echoplexes with sync=in on the slave. in fact the guy i was playing with got quite upset at me for ignoring the manual. but ignore it i did and work it did, and when 800 years you reach look as good you will not... like i said, i don't have two edp's at the moment, so i can't test it myself. it may be that the threshold setting will still screw it up. try it and see if you get the same problem. note: the edps are not really in brothersync at this point, because only the master can set the loop length. for stereo operation this is not important, but sample accurate sync is... >... > > >do you have synch set to in on the slave unit? > > Manual says not to. > >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 16:53:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IKoae05795; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:50:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:50:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:50:41 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Stereo EDP issue In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00d201c335db$4809af10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what happens if you then set threshold off directly on the slaved unit? >... > >if all this is true, you should be able to set > >threshold on the master unit. > > Setting master also sets slave. The master button presses are > transmitted to the slave. > > -C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 17:29:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ILPJf10765; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:25:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <136.20aca8f8.2c2232b6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:25:10 EDT Subject: Re: Torn and Belew video FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 6/18/03 10:19:46 AM, zebu@cox.net writes: << Totally interested, in both. :-) I'd been meaning to get these for years and years. What is your asking price?>> Both Torn tapes and Belew tape - combined purchase price, including shipping -$54 total. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 17:40:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ILV7m11892; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:31:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:31:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.2c9f0e29.2c22340f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:30:55 EDT Subject: Re: Torn and Belew video FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn! - that wasn't supposed to go to the list - Apologies. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 18:06:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IM2iw17066; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:02:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f101c335e5$0ca92360$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <136.20aca8f8.2c2232b6@aol.com> Subject: Re: Torn and Belew video FS Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:00:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are these no longer avaiable in the 'stores'? thanks jg ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Torn and Belew video FS > > In a message dated 6/18/03 10:19:46 AM, zebu@cox.net writes: > > << Totally interested, in both. :-) I'd been meaning to get these for years > and > years. What is your asking price?>> > > Both Torn tapes and Belew tape - combined purchase price, including shipping > -$54 total. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 18:09:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IM8OP18228; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:08:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:08:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030618145858.039c5ec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:08:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stereo EDP issue In-Reply-To: References: <13.1e62aee9.2c21d297@aol.com> <13.1e62aee9.2c21d297@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:41 AM 6/18/2003, Chris Muir wrote: >Then, I found my problem. Everything works pretty well _IF_ you don't use >a Threshold value. When a recording Threshold is used each EDP starts >recording when its Threshold is crossed individually. Even if the >Threshold is set the same on both units, the stereo input signal can be >different on each channel, causing different start times. The more >uncorrelated the two channels are the worse thing are. > >While I miss using Threshold recording, I'm really happy that stereo works. yes, that's right. It's an old problem. If you are using two units as a stereo pair, threshold recording doesn't work right because either one of them might cross the threshold before the other and the loop times end up slightly different. We tried to come up with a way for this to work in LoopIV, but didn't find a satisfactory solution. I think I explained this limitation somewhere in the new manual. Sorry Chris, you'll just have to learn to tap in rhythm. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 18:24:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IMMY520950; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:22:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:22:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030618222232.67115.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Torn and Belew video FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f101c335e5$0ca92360$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know about the Belew one, but the David Torn set is available right now from some vendor on ebay. Claims to have several sets. Greg --- Jimmy George Band wrote: > are these no longer avaiable in the 'stores'? > > thanks > jg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: Torn and Belew video FS > > > > > > In a message dated 6/18/03 10:19:46 AM, zebu@cox.net writes: > > > > << Totally interested, in both. :-) I'd been meaning to get these for > years > > and > > years. What is your asking price?>> > > > > Both Torn tapes and Belew tape - combined purchase price, including > shipping > > -$54 total. > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 18:42:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5IMeqa24360; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:40:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:40:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:38:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Torn and Belew video FS From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030618222232.67115.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2ZppWB.A.e8F.0pO8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i saw the torn one @ haight ashbury music/sf t'other daye... s > I don't know about the Belew one, but the David Torn set is available right > now > from some vendor on ebay. Claims to have several sets. > > Greg > > --- Jimmy George Band wrote: >> are these no longer avaiable in the 'stores'? >> >> thanks >> jg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 19:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5INGui30702; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:16:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:16:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030618145858.039c5ec0@loopers-delight.com> References: <13.1e62aee9.2c21d297@aol.com> <13.1e62aee9.2c21d297@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030618145858.039c5ec0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:15:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Stereo EDP issue Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:08 PM -0700 6/18/03, Kim Flint wrote: >Sorry Chris, you'll just have to learn to tap in rhythm. :-) What is this "rhythm" you speak of? -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 18 23:32:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5J3Tx629723; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:29:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:29:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <116.24efba29.2c2287e0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:28:32 EDT Subject: Elliott Levin w/Charles Cohen+John Cecil Price w/ DJ LORNE!!!!!!! To: Covegirl29@aol.com, betsy@betsyspivak.com, billfox@fast.net, aamorosi@citypaper.net, Divaland@aol.com, Budgiebor@aol.com, ciemny@ix.netcom.com, ddeluca@phillynews.com, EMERGEREC@aol.com, fuzzybox@fuzzybox.com, GdsAthena1@aol.com, goth.cat4@verizon.net, hymen@gmx.net, info@ant-zen.com, jsweeney@philadelphiaweekly.com, JUSTINE093@aol.com, jvz@tidalwavinteractive.com, livinginphilly@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, lspikol@philadelphiaweekly.com, myles666@hotmail.com, Nancy@indrestudios.com, pprice@mccc.edu, RStarz3@aol.com, scottb@bloodlink.com, stephen@turtlestudios.com, stinkinglizaveta@yahoo.com, Szbuddah@aol.com, the13thchyld@lycos.com, tmoon@phillynews.com, tonobung@panix.com, travis@bowersigns.com, unwell@angelfire.com, XsmprincesssX@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_116.24efba29.2c2287e0_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6013 Resent-Message-ID: <3XLNXC.A.TQH.24S8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_116.24efba29.2c2287e0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Legendary, ELLIOTT LEVIN: http://www.radical3over2.com/elliott/levin.html ( of THE CRIME, Cecil Taylor & also ex-AKASH ) with CHARLES COHEN: http://www.users.voicenet.com/~ccohen/ in a duet of electronic/acoustic poetry/music improvisations. *& baby -- Lookey here FOLKS -- Just added!!!! John Cecil Price from THE CRIME ( ex-AKASH: www.akashmusic.com , Temple of Bon Matin, White Girl, Psychohead ), joins up with UK-Born, but - 1000% Philly Treasure -- DJ LORNE *( of substitution fame http://www.substitution.net/ )-- who together will spin & weave for your listening pleasure, "Massive Tales of Love & Loops...with a Mighty Strange Kindness". *(Downtempo-ambient-dark ambient-experimental-space-jazz-grooves) & baby...Y'all locals should really be there for this one folks cuz it's all gonna be good, all nite long -- *recording for John Cecil Price with DJ LORNE's set is both encouraged and quite welcome! The date: Sun., June 22- 8 PM @ The Rotunda ( 4014 Walnut St., West Phila.): All ages/no cover. "REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS" *Also: Heads Up! *John Cecil Price will be giving out -- FREE -- promo Copies of his debut Solo CD: "UBWENGE" : *& DOUBLE HEADS UP! "UBWENGE can be downloaded in its entirety for free until July 7th if you go here: http://zed.cbc.ca/displayUser.do?user_id=18853&user=Jprice01 --part1_116.24efba29.2c2287e0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Legendary, ELLIOTT LEVIN: http://www.radical3over2.com/elliott/lev= in.html  ( of THE CRIME, Cecil Taylor & also ex-AKASH ) with CH= ARLES COHEN: http://www.u= sers.voicenet.com/~ccohen/  in a duet of electronic/acoustic poetry= /music improvisations.

*& baby -- Lookey here FOLKS -- Just added!!!!

John Cecil Price from THE CRIME ( ex-AKASH: w= ww.akashmusic.com , Temple of Bon Matin, White Girl, Psychohead ), joins= up with UK-Born, but - 1000% Philly Treasure -- DJ LORNE *( of substitution= fame http://www.substitution.net/<= /A> )-- who together will spin & weave for your listening pleasure, "Mas= sive Tales of Love & Loops...with a Mighty Strange Kindness". *(Downtemp= o-ambient-dark ambient-experimental-space-jazz-grooves)

& baby...Y'all locals should really be there for this one folks cuz it's= all gonna be good, all nite long -- *recording for John Cecil Price with DJ= LORNE's set is both encouraged and quite welcome!

The date: Sun., June 22- 8 PM @ The Rotunda
( 4014 Walnut St., West Phila.):
All ages/no cover.

"REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS"

*Also: Heads Up!
*John Cecil Price will be giving out -- FREE -- promo Copies of his debut So= lo CD: "UBWENGE" :

*& DOUBLE HEADS UP!

"UBWENGE can be downloaded in its entirety for free until July 7th
if you go here: http://zed.cbc.ca/displayUser.do?user_id=3D18853&user= =3DJprice01
--part1_116.24efba29.2c2287e0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 00:13:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5J4Cdp03312; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.181.51] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:12:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2003 04:12:33.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[0221FCD0:01C33619] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds like a great idea. Think even I could spot a cello!!dont think i'll actually be playing anything but id love to come watch and talk. Lets make this a Loopers-delight field trip!! looking forward to it!! Phill >hey, i'll also be visiting new york at the same time. i was thinking of >bringing my cello + repeater to openLoop, although i've never been. if you >go, i will too. i'll be the tall redhead with the cello. anyone else? _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 00:46:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5J4jba07290; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:45:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:45:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:44:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > That sounds like a great idea. > Think even I could spot a cello!!dont think i'll actually be >playing anything but id love to come watch and talk. Lets make this >a Loopers-delight field trip!! well, gee, and I can be there after all (the date is July 5, right before my birthday) so let's do it up. the venue isn't very large at all but we'll be able to fit it all in. looking forward to it! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 02:23:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5J6LL117406; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:21:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:21:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.218ef2a0.2c22b05e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:21:18 EDT Subject: EDP controllers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I've recently brought my EDP (loop IV) out of the "closet" and am trying to use it alongside a Repeater, a bunch of Fxs, and with a Roland FC-200 as the foot controller. I've hit a weird issue though... I'm using continuous controllers to control both the echoplex and the Repeater. I've got source # at 31 on the echoplex.. which should mean the "buttons" are replaced by controllers 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, etc.. Meanwhile I have controllers 75 and 76 set to control the live instrument volumes (on fxs). For some reason though when I touch 75 (a roland ev-5), the echoplex stops playing. The mute light and multiply lights turn red, while record and overdub are green, and insert and undo are yellow (next loop is dark). Pressing the mute button on the front panel starts playback again, but those lights are not the configuration I get when I simply press the button to begin with, and based on the controller numbers, the mute button should be responding to 37 I think (not 75). Any thoughts? Thanks! Tom Griesgraber From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 03:12:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5J7BUG21883; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:11:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:12:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Looping in Sheffield UK Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <3EF1706E.32302.10B923@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.11) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are there any subscribers who live in or near to Sheffield (UK)? I've been reading about a looping festival in Cambridge and would like to (co-)organise one in Sheffield. As you all know, getting gigs as a looping artist isn't the easiest thing in the world. We do have an improvised music society here in Sheffield, but despite numerous requests, they don't seem to wish to contact me - I suspect that I'm just not weird *enough* - ah, the irony.... This is my first post to the list, so perhaps a brief CV - I've got some music at mp3.com/nickrobinson if anyone has the time. I use a jamman, zoom2100 and modified powertran DDL along with a strat & various treatments to perform solo pieces. I use Acid pro to "construct" some pieces on PC, incorporating sections of live sound with more crafted elements. Inspiration? Belew, Torn, Frisell, Nelson (I even turned down a chance to support him on a solo tour in the 80s due to lack of confidence - arghhh), Eels, Talk Talk, Reich, Brook - the usual suspects, I'd imagine. Anyway, feel free to get in touch - my website is at: www.12testing.co.uk/~nickr/peas/music/ Although it's a tad dated and currently being revamped. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 04:17:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5J8E2227796; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:14:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:14:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP controllers? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:13:55 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001001c3363a$ba0e0570$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <15e.218ef2a0.2c22b05e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5J8E1B27775 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: DialaThos@aol.com [mailto:DialaThos@aol.com] > the EDP mute button should be > responding to 37 I think (not 75). Any thoughts? Hi Tom, I got advised to use midi note numbers to control the EDP instead of CCs. So I have no hands on experience with CCs/EDP, but I can tell you that note numbers work fine for me here controlling my EDP from a Behringer FCB1010. From the same FCB I also control a Repeater and now I'm working on incorporating a dynamic filter into the set-up. I have organised the FCB banks into two midi channels. One channel for the Repeater and the other channel for the EDP listening to midi note on and the filter listening to CCs (on the same channel, that is. To keep the foot controlling simple). Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 09:42:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JDeLu32014; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:40:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:40:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C99EB60AB44B44B901B6F0678BE27C013B6625@fdcem001> From: Baldwin Tim To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:40:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fantastic, Cheers mate. Tim Baldwin -----Original Message----- From: mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: 18 June 2003 18:18 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds I'll try to get to that when I gather everything to box it up for shipping. Mark On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 02:05 AM, Baldwin Tim wrote: > Thanks Mark. Any joy on scanning the SPD 6 Manual? > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: 17 June 2003 16:29 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds > > > I can't remember if tympany is one of the instruments it does, but it > would be really simple to get it to trigger another unit (rompler or > sampler) that has them. No pitch bend though. > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/ > details.asp?CatID=5&SubCatID=26&ProdID=SPD-6 > > Mark Sottilaro > On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 06:34 AM, Baldwin Tim wrote: > >> Great stuff. How did you get timps. onto it? >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] >> Sent: 17 June 2003 13:08 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds >> >> >> >> guys, this thing would be a great addition to any studio. I have an >> spd8 >> from about 13 years ago, and (even without it's built-in sounds) it's >> a >> fantastic controller, very flexible. lately we've been using it with >> the >> pads themselves mic'd; this adds a bit of "real" impact to the start >> of >> sampled percussion sounds, and is especially effective on tymps and >> snares. >> >> d. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mark [ mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net >> ] >> Sent: 17 June 2003 02:08 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: FS Roland SPD-6 MIDI Percussion controller w/sounds >> >> >> What's that you say? You can't mic your tablas well? Your gong is >> feeding back? Well, your troubles are over: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ >> eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2539405954&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 >> >> Bought to use in live situations, I never ended up using it much. >> Keyboard seems to be a better input device for me. So here it goes. >> It has a bunch of drum and percussion sounds (I don't think it >> actually >> has a tabla) but where it shines is in triggering other devices. >> Trust >> me, it's so much more dramatic hitting something with a stick than it >> is pressing a button or key. Imagine how cool you'll be when your >> changing the pitch of your Repeater with a stick! (or hand, I never >> used it in it's stick setting) >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> * >> **** >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >> be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may >> not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it >> in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, >> please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. >> >> It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other >> checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not >> affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this >> e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >> represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, >> nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. >> >> MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from >> external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct >> and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. >> >> MTV Networks Europe >> ********************************************************************** >> * >> **** >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended >> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >> addressed. >> If you have received this email in error please return it to the >> address >> it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from >> your system. >> >> This email message has been swept for computer viruses. >> >> ********************************************************************** >> >> > > > PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. > > On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the > Government > Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by > Cable & > Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. > > GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further > details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT > helpdesk. > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. > If you have received this email in error please return it to the > address > it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from > your system. > > This email message has been swept for computer viruses. > > ********************************************************************** > > PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return it to the address it came from telling them it is not for you and then delete it from your system. This email message has been swept for computer viruses. ********************************************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 11:20:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JFIfS16383; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:18:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:18:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, just wanted to offer up my latest cd(r) project, recorded w/ my fostex mr8. it's called: 'unPLAYable' a little project that i recorded w/ my new handmade guitar. mostly just guitar experiments w/ the new guitar and i also did some tape loop experiments w/ my old tascam porta05 running into the mr8.if anyone is interested, please email me at: scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu and send me your "snail mail" address, and i can send you a copy of the cd(r) (for free). s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 11:26:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JFOos17327; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:24:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:24:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: EDP controllers? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:25:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c33677$0f21fe40$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <15e.218ef2a0.2c22b05e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tom! Have you looked at Claude's excellent tool "MIDI Commands Spreadsheet" at http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html ? Loop IV uses considerably more MIDI commands than Loop III. When I set source # to 31, for example, the Spreadsheet shows MIDI Note or Controller numbers 75 and 76 as the EDP functions BeatTriggerSample and MIDIBeatSync. So I think your EDP is responding to these controller numbers. Hope this helps... Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 13:02:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JGxST29804; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:59:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:59:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012601c33683$d6aa3340$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:57:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com its a very nice recording. i like it quit a bit scott, thanks for the cd! great cover too! jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Hansen To: Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' > hi, just wanted to offer up my latest > cd(r) project, recorded w/ my fostex mr8. > it's called: 'unPLAYable' > a little project that i recorded > w/ my new handmade guitar. > mostly just guitar experiments w/ the new guitar > and i also did some tape loop experiments > w/ my old tascam porta05 running into > the mr8.if anyone is interested, > please email me at: > > scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu > > and send me your "snail mail" address, > and i can send you a copy of the cd(r) (for free). > s--- > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 13:40:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JHbwc02903; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:37:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:37:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF1F7C1.FDE6F879@erols.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:49:53 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford wrote: > > That sounds like a great idea. > > Think even I could spot a cello!!dont think i'll actually be > >playing anything but id love to come watch and talk. Lets make this > >a Loopers-delight field trip!! > > well, gee, and I can be there after all (the date is July 5, right > before my birthday) so let's do it up. > > the venue isn't very large at all but we'll be able to fit it all in. > > looking forward to it! > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. I'm in New Jersey and I think that I can make it on July 5th. I'm not sure that I'd like to haul my EDP (it's in a big rack with a mixer and other stuff) but I'd certainly like to stop by to talk looping with some of the folks from the list. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 14:56:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JIrmS14004; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:53:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:53:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.175.184] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:53:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2003 18:53:42.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A5B5A00:01C33694] Resent-Message-ID: <8s884B.A.naD.8ag8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well.....come on down!! this is going to be great, cant wait to meet you all face to face. just have to make sure i have my map reading head on so i do actually get there! (have booked a lovley hostel near centeral park and the U.N. building. By the way can anyone recomend me some of the better guitar shops away from the tourist trap areas,id hate to pay over the odds just because i look like a gulible brit-boy!!! Much excited!! Phill _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 15:02:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JIxnn15175; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:59:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:59:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.190] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:59:14 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030619.145921.2567.83369@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Scott, I got it in the mail two weeks ago and I love the artwork and the tunes! Keep up the good work! Later, Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 16:15:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JKA2H25643; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:10:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:07:59 -0700 Subject: Re: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030619.145921.2567.83369@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2cI8x.A.jQG.aih8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Hi Scott, > I got it in the mail two weeks ago and I love the artwork and the tunes! Keep > up the good work! > > Later, > Weg > hey got mine too-its way cool and wackee-right up my alley-kudos s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 16:25:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JKOTS27756; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:24:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:24:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:24:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <012601c33683$d6aa3340$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0gX8pC.A.jxG.9vh8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can I chime in here with a "ditto"?... Just kidding. I wanna say thanks for the CD too Scott (for the last two actually). It's been fun and interesting listening to your progression as an artist. The cover is hilarious! So you really did build your own guitar? It's based on a Klein? I gotta ask, was it worth the effort, are you happy with it? I've been thinking of building my own Klein copy (and conversely thinking I should NOT attempt to build anything ever again.... you should see the amp iso box I built a few years ago, it screamed "whoever built this measured once and cut 2 or 3 times!".) All the best. Jim > its a very nice recording. i like it quit a bit scott, thanks for the cd! > great cover too! > > jg > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Hansen > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:18 AM > Subject: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' > > > > hi, just wanted to offer up my latest > > cd(r) project, recorded w/ my fostex mr8. > > it's called: 'unPLAYable' > > a little project that i recorded > > w/ my new handmade guitar. > > mostly just guitar experiments w/ the new guitar > > and i also did some tape loop experiments > > w/ my old tascam porta05 running into > > the mr8.if anyone is interested, > > please email me at: > > > > scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu > > > > and send me your "snail mail" address, > > and i can send you a copy of the cd(r) (for free). > > s--- > > -- > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 17:47:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JLkLd07160; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:46:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030619155250.007a26a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:52:50 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: A Fifth of Tension... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4N7xrD.A.rvB.t8i8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I uploaded an improv tune we did last Friday evening which consists of possibly some bass looping, (lol!, it's hard to tell! lol!) but I thought you might dig it. There's a drummer, two bassists, one of whom is Chris Filben, an LD'er, and myself on guitar. It's long, and takes a bit to get really going, but I hope ya like it. You can find it at: http://home.earthlink.net/~guitarbabe/Tension.wav Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 19:16:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JNEAP21748; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:14:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:14:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: loopfest, cambridge UK, this saturday 21st June From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c33570$0d5465b0$2ccfc22b@AOstler> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just had a killer week(loads of performances, building stages and everything else that involves carrying heavy stuff!) so haven't posted anything in a while. but I will b coming! look out for a 6ft 27year old guy with freaking huge hair!!! looking forward to seeing u all perform. cheers Geoff on 18/6/03 9:03 am, Os at lists@collective.co.uk wrote: > The First (International) Cambridge Festival of Looping > (in association with LEAPS) > http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ > > when : june 21st 2003, from 8pm > where : the michaelhouse cafe, cambridge, england > where's that? : http://www.michaelhouse.org.uk/ > what's looping? : http://www.loopers-delight.com/ > > who : > rick walker's loop.pool > http://www.looppool.info/ > theo travis > http://www.theotravis.com/ > darkroom > http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/ > cos chapman & guy avern > http://www.rudemechanicals.org.uk/ > pete um > http://www.umbusiness.co.uk/ > peter chilvers > http://www.burningshed.com/chilvers/ > matthias grob (TBC) > http://matthias.grob.org/ > > for more information, please visit the website: > http://www.cambridge-loopfest.org.uk/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 19:44:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5JNgwx25809; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:42:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:42:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Looping Styles - poorly disguised Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean Evhevarria commented that the style of looping that will be going on at the gig Henry Kaiser and I are playing (this Saturday, June 21st) will almost certainly _not_ be Live Looping. Given that the performance is taking place in the Chapel of the Chimes columbarium and mausoleum, the only thing that this style of looping can reasonably be called is Dead Looping. More info: http://www.gardenofmemory.com/ Thanks, Chris p.s. This Garden of Memory series has been going on for several years and can be really fun. -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 20:09:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K08fO29923; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:08:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:08:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620000835.1079.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jim Poppen wrote: > So you really did build your own guitar? It's based > on a Klein? ...I've been thinking of building my own > Klein copy... A few of us on the list have done just that. You can see photos of 'em and join us at the Eccentric Luthiery Support Group at -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 20:22:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K0LNC31864; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:21:14 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Styles - poorly disguised Gig Spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5K0LNB31840 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool! Henry K is one of my favorite guitarists. I never knew he looped though. Sounds like an interesting gig. Good luck. Wish I could be there. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html In a message dated 6/19/03 4:43:34 PM, cbm@well.com writes: >Sean Evhevarria commented that the style of looping that will be going >on at the gig Henry Kaiser and I are playing (this Saturday, June 21st) >will almost certainly _not_ be Live Looping. > >Given that the performance is taking place in the Chapel of the Chimes >columbarium and mausoleum, the only thing that this style of looping can >reasonably be called is Dead Looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 21:03:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K11sF05469; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:01:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:59:01 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ce01c336c7$23af7900$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "lol c" To: Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:53 PM Subject: Re: First Loop Gig and NYC trip > Well.....come on down!! > > this is going to be great, cant wait to meet you all face to face. > just have to make sure i have my map reading head on so i do actually get > there! > (have booked a lovley hostel near centeral park and the U.N. building. > > By the way can anyone recomend me some of the better guitar shops away from > the tourist trap areas,id hate to pay over the odds just because i look like > a gulible brit-boy!!! My pick: http://www.30thstreetguitars.com between 7th and 8th Ave. Also worth checking out: http://www.mandoweb.com (In Staten Island, but worth the trip) A whole bunch of store between 48th Street between between 6th & 7th Ave. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db > > > Much excited!! > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 22:20:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K2JpP16291; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:19:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:19:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030619191009.0235aff8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:20:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP controllers? In-Reply-To: <15e.218ef2a0.2c22b05e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:21 PM 6/18/2003, DialaThos@aol.com wrote: >I'm using continuous controllers to control both the echoplex and the >Repeater. I've got source # at 31 on the echoplex.. which should mean the >"buttons" >are replaced by controllers 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, etc.. > >Meanwhile I have controllers 75 and 76 set to control the live instrument >volumes (on fxs). For some reason though when I touch 75 (a roland ev-5), >the >echoplex stops playing. The mute light and multiply lights turn red, while >record and overdub are green, and insert and undo are yellow (next loop is >dark). the echoplex midi command list is in the manual. As Dennis pointed out, Source# offsets of 44 and 45 (which would give cc# 75 and 76 in your case) are the commands BeatTriggerSample and MIDIBeatSync. The first mutes the loop and waits for a pulse at the BeatSync jack to trigger it. The second is a virtual BeatSync pulse sent by midi. Why not use a different midi channel for your other devices, instead of sharing them on the same channel as the echoplex? kim _____________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 19 22:25:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K2Nw217492; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:23:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030619192024.02371a80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:24:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: EDP controllers? In-Reply-To: <001001c3363a$ba0e0570$862159d5@LILLPELLE> References: <15e.218ef2a0.2c22b05e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:13 AM 6/19/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > Från: DialaThos@aol.com [mailto:DialaThos@aol.com] > > > the EDP mute button should be > > responding to 37 I think (not 75). Any thoughts? > > >I got advised to use midi note numbers to control the EDP instead of >CCs. So I have no hands on experience with CCs/EDP, but I can tell you >that note numbers work fine for me here controlling my EDP from a >Behringer FCB1010. from the Echoplex point of view it doesn't make any difference if you use notes or controllers. The issue in your case is with the FCB1010 midi controller. It has a fairly limited midi implementation, and only note messages work for controlling the Echoplex with it. With other midi controllers you can use notes or cc and the echoplex will work fine either way. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 00:05:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K44HA31472; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:04:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:04:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:05:32 -0700 Subject: Re: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6FC5A7DE-A2D4-11D7-A152-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got my copy a few days ago...... veryPLAYable! Thanks Scott joe On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 08:18 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > hi, just wanted to offer up my latest > cd(r) project, recorded w/ my fostex mr8. > it's called: 'unPLAYable' > a little project that i recorded > w/ my new handmade guitar. > mostly just guitar experiments w/ the new guitar > and i also did some tape loop experiments > w/ my old tascam porta05 running into > the mr8.if anyone is interested, > please email me at: > > scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu > > and send me your "snail mail" address, > and i can send you a copy of the cd(r) (for free). > s--- > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 00:06:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K45pq31842; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:05:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF2881C.4050800@quik.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:05:48 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A Fifth of Tension... References: <3.0.5.32.20030619155250.007a26a0@pop.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030619155250.007a26a0@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Goddess wrote: > Hi All, I uploaded an improv tune we did last Friday evening which > consists of possibly some bass looping, (lol!, it's hard to tell! lol!) > but I thought you might dig it. There's a drummer, two bassists, one of > whom is Chris Filben, an LD'er, and myself on guitar. It's long, and takes > a bit to get really going, but I hope ya like it. You can find it at: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~guitarbabe/Tension.wav > > Smiles, > > Cara Nice! Keep 'em coming... D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 00:09:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K48LC32254; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ESL555@aol.com Message-ID: <148.14169d85.2c23e2ab@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:08:11 EDT Subject: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_148.14169d85.2c23e2ab_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_148.14169d85.2c23e2ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm using the Headrush to loop with my band and having trouble locking in the loop time with the drummer. Any tips? Thanks Steve --part1_148.14169d85.2c23e2ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I'm using the Headrush to loop with my band and= having trouble locking in the loop time with the drummer. Any tips?
Thanks
Steve --part1_148.14169d85.2c23e2ab_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 00:44:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K4hL103738; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:43:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:43:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620044319.48233.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <148.14169d85.2c23e2ab@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ESL555@aol.com wrote: > I'm using the Headrush to loop with my band and > having trouble locking in > the loop time with the drummer. Any tips? > Thanks > Steve > Use a drum machine =) This could be a problem with the loop or a problem with the drummer - can you be a bit more specific? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 00:50:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K4nWe04566; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:49:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:49:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ESL555@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:49:28 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My drummer has good time. I'm finding that it is difficult to get my loops in perfect time. With the Akai it seems that there is a delay after you click the footswitch so that your loop is always a little behind. I guess I'm going to have to get real good at punching in and out. --part1_11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My drummer has good time. I'm finding that it is diff= icult to get my loops in perfect time. With the Akai it seems that there is=20= a delay after you click the footswitch so that your loop is always a little=20= behind. I guess I'm going to have to get real good at punching in and out. --part1_11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 00:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K4wW705619; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:58:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620045831.34479.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've found that playing with the akai and other loopers I achieve my best results sitting down. You just have to get used to the pedal and sit by yourself creating timed loops over and over until you get a feel for how to and when to press the buttons. Once you master that then bring the loops into rehearsals. --- ESL555@aol.com wrote: > My drummer has good time. I'm finding that it is > difficult to get my loops > in perfect time. With the Akai it seems that there > is a delay after you click > the footswitch so that your loop is always a little > behind. I guess I'm going > to have to get real good at punching in and out. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 02:12:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K6BMi13735; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:11:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620061120.16505.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f101c335e5$0ca92360$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I noticed some of the other members sharing music with the group so I thought I'd share some of the things I've done with you. I did "Entering The Silence" in the mid 80's and "Trance World" in 2000: "Entering The Silence" is all guitar. http://www.mp3.com.au/album.asp?id=1087 "Tranceformation" is guitar and synthezier. (The tracks that say experimental electronica are the tracks with guitar.) http://www.mp3.com.au/album.asp?id=1741 I'm in the middle of recording a new CD right now. Up all night every night. All the very best! Terry Blankenship http://home.cinci.rr.com/terryblankenship/http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=1509 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 02:29:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K6SFL15641; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:28:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:28:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620062813.67678.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:28:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030620061120.16505.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good stuff terry. Tell us about your setup for "Entering ..." --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > I noticed some of the other members sharing music > with > the group so I thought I'd share some of the things > I've done with you. I did "Entering The Silence" in > the mid 80's and "Trance World" in 2000: > > "Entering The Silence" is all guitar. > http://www.mp3.com.au/album.asp?id=1087 > > "Tranceformation" is guitar and synthezier. (The > tracks that say experimental electronica are the > tracks with guitar.) > http://www.mp3.com.au/album.asp?id=1741 > > I'm in the middle of recording a new CD right now. > Up > all night every night. > > All the very best! > Terry Blankenship > > > > > > > http://home.cinci.rr.com/terryblankenship/http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=1509 > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 02:37:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K6as816673; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:36:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:36:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <070801c33728$5ef61170$cca44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <15e.218ef2a0.2c22b05e@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030619192024.02371a80@loopers-delight.com> Subject: midi clock issues Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:34:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so i have my new elektron machinedrum sync'd to the edp so that the loop picks the tempo. the problem is that the drum machine is playing the beat too slow (1/2 half tempo). is there any way to affect this from the edp...effectively make it send clock that is half the time as the actual loop (loop is 4.0, clock sent needs to be 2.0...make sense?) or will i need to take this up with the drum machine. thanks, folks. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 02:39:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K6Y9p16393; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <070201c33727$f2ef09f0$cca44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:31:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06FD_01C33730.51D901C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06FD_01C33730.51D901C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i used the headrush for about two years before graduating to the EDP = (now i own three!) and the akai is great for what it does...not too = noisy, fairly accurate, etc. SIT DOWN WHEN YOU LOOP. i still can't nail the tempo when i try and = balance on one foot while clicking buttons with the other. =20 another tip: if you're playing a riff (chugga-chug-chugga-chug), play = through it a few times (at least once) and THEN start to record. = hitting record as soon as the riff starts can create those little bumps. you're gonna have to drill this into your drummers head because he's = used to being the one who picks and maintains the tempo, but now that = you're looping, YOU ARE THE METRONOME. the drummer must follow you, not = the other way around. i'm still reminding my drummer that once a loop = is running, that's the tempo he has to follow. oh, and i bought a drum machine...it never argues. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_06FD_01C33730.51D901C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i used the headrush for about two years before = graduating to=20 the EDP (now i own three!) and the akai is great for what it does...not = too=20 noisy, fairly accurate, etc.
 
SIT DOWN WHEN YOU LOOP.  i still can't nail the = tempo=20 when i try and balance on one foot while clicking buttons with the = other. =20
 
another tip: if you're playing a riff=20 (chugga-chug-chugga-chug), play through it a few times (at least once) = and THEN=20 start to record.  hitting record as soon as the riff starts can = create=20 those little bumps.
 
you're gonna have to drill this into your drummers = head=20 because he's used to being the one who picks and maintains the tempo, = but now=20 that you're looping, YOU ARE THE METRONOME.  the drummer must = follow you,=20 not the other way around.  i'm still reminding my drummer that once = a loop=20 is running, that's the tempo he has to follow.
 
oh, and i bought a drum machine...it never=20 argues.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_06FD_01C33730.51D901C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 03:00:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K6vDw19051; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:57:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620065707.9947.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:57:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: midi clock issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <070801c33728$5ef61170$cca44a43@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It sounds like you just need to change the 8th/cycle parameter. Check what the EDP is set at & double the number. John --- jimfowler wrote: > so i have my new elektron machinedrum sync'd to the > edp so that the loop > picks the tempo. the problem is that the drum > machine is playing the beat > too slow (1/2 half tempo). is there any way to > affect this from the > edp...effectively make it send clock that is half > the time as the actual > loop (loop is 4.0, clock sent needs to be 2.0...make > sense?) or will i need > to take this up with the drum machine. > > thanks, folks. > > -jim > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 03:08:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K76dY20103; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:06:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:06:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <072f01c3372c$85eaeb80$cca44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030620065707.9947.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: midi clock issues Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:04:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aha! rad...i'll go give it a shot right this second. thanks. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 03:44:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K7g9R23454; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:42:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:42:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620074208.26984.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030620062813.67678.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1jwBn.A.WuF.Rrr8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. For Entering The Silence: I started out using two Revoxes like Fripp and Eno. Feeding the outs of one into the ins of the other and setting the delay time by how far the tape recorders were apart from each other. I think I mostly used 4 to 8 sec loops. Later I used two Electroharmonix 16 sec digital delays, two Hiwatt 100 stacks, and a pedalboard with a Sho Bud volume pedal, Dallas Arbitor fuzz face (or Big Muff), Vox wah, Electric Mistress flanger, Roland Chorus, Maestro tube echoplex tape echo, a Les Paul Custom, and a Stratocaster. I used a different set up for the Trance Godz CD. I still had the Electroharmonix 16 sec digital delays but my pedalboard had changed to mostly TC Electronics, Roger Mayer pedals, and Fulltone pedals, with an old Stratocaster, into two Vox AC30 amps. I am using my Echoplex Pro with Loop IV on the new CD I am currently working on, and the same amps and pedalboard I used with Trance Godz. All the very best! Terry http://home.cinci.rr.com/terryblankenship/ http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=1509 --- Squid Loop wrote: > Good stuff terry. > > Tell us about your setup for "Entering The Silence" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 03:54:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K7rYT24780; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:53:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:53:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620075333.14946.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Echoplex Pro w/Loop IV and a drum machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030620074208.26984.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you have to use the quantize on the echoplex if you are going to use midi'd up with a drum machine and want it to stay synced up properly? Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 03:57:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K7uMA25114; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:54:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Music/16seconds of ... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030620074208.26984.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thanks. For Entering The Silence: > > I started out using two Revoxes like Fripp and Eno. > Feeding the outs of one into the ins of the other and > setting the delay time by how far the tape recorders > were apart from each other. I think I mostly used 4 to > 8 sec loops. > > Later I used two Electroharmonix 16 sec digital > delays, > All the very best! > Terry ummm sorry ta bug ya-but wot happened to them there ? s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 04:59:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K8w5R30845; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 04:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 04:58:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Echoplex Pro w/Loop IV and a drum machine Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:57:58 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001601c3370a$0be4cad0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030620075333.14946.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Do you have to use the quantize on the echoplex if you > are going to use midi'd up with a drum machine and > want it to stay synced up properly? > > Terry No. You'd stay synced up even when the echoplex quatize is set to "off". Also check out Kim's exellent post http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200306/msg00492.html Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 04:59:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K8vox30794; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 04:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 04:57:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620085749.6047.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Music/16seconds of ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: I still have them. One of them works and one of them doesn't. I like them. I wouldn't get rid of them. Even though they are lo-fi I like what they do. I've been trying to find someone who can fix the one thats gone bad. Terry > ummm sorry ta bug ya-but wot happened to them there > ? > s __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 05:37:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K9Uxb01480; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:30:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:30:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Music Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:30:52 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001801c3370e$a4491a70$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030620061120.16505.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5K9UwB01453 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Terry Blankenship [mailto:electricgypsys@yahoo.com] > > the group so I thought I'd share some of the things > I've done with you. Beautiful! Both six-packs streaming from my laptop now. It's a shame listening to that great music over tiny laptop speakers ;-) Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 05:49:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5K9fi102397; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:41:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:41:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:41:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030620000835.1079.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the pointer Tim! Jim P. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:09 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' > > > --- Jim Poppen wrote: > > So you really did build your own guitar? It's based > > on a Klein? ...I've been thinking of building my own > > Klein copy... > > A few of us on the list have done just that. You can > see photos of 'em and join us at the Eccentric > Luthiery Support Group at > d=129742643> > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 08:54:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KCr7t25238; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:53:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c3372a$d0f9ece0$05e35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #326 for June 19, 2003 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:52:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C33709.37F767A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C33709.37F767A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #326 June 19, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the soundworld bliss = of Steve Roach, who has been called the USA's Premeire Electronic Ambient Sound Sorcerer. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Recent Future," disc three = of the four CD boxed set "Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces" on the Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Firebird" by Tomita on RCA Red Seal. I played the music of some of the artists who will be performing at the = Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. Steve Roach - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jun Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Tomita Introduction and Dance Firebird (RCA Red Seal) of the Firebird Synthetic Block Variations on a Theme Sonic Approach = (Hypnos/Binary) of Absence Synthetic Block The Quartz Marsh Sonic Approach = (Hypnos/Binary) Synthetic Block Sonic Approach Sonic Approach = (Hypnos/Binary) Saul Stokes Noise Coast Fields (Hypnos/Binary) Jonn Serrie Mystery Road Plaetary Chronicles = Volume 1 (Miramar) Steve Roach Open Heart MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Steve Roach Turn to Light MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) 12:00 am Steve Roach Shift the Dimension MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Steve Roach This Moment Is a Memory MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Steve Roach This Moment Is Another MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Memory Steve Roach Slightly Below MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Steve Roach Essence of Phaedra MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Steve Roach Left Perfectly Alone MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Steve Roach A Subtle Body Current MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Steve Roach Personal Nature MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Steve Roach Grounding Place MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Steve Roach Turning Back MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Steve Roach The Spiral of Time's MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt) Fire Burns On * 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Steve Roach = and his new box set release. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Piece of = Infinity," the fourth and final disc from the "Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces" boxed = set on the Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Beam-Scape" by Peter Mergener and Michael Weisser on the IC label. I will play the music of Robert Rich who will be performing at the = Soundscapes Concert Series. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C33709.37F767A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC</a> is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = that airs=20 each Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, = PA and=20 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #326       =20             June 19, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the = soundworld=20 bliss of Steve
Roach, who has been called the USA's Premeire = Electronic=20 Ambient Sound
Sorcerer.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Recent = Future," disc three of the
four CD boxed set "Mystic Chords & = Sacred=20 Spaces" on the Projekt label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Firebird" by Tomita on RCA Red=20 Seal.
 
I played the music of some of the artists who will be performing at = the=20 Summer
Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.
 
Steve Roach - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jun
=
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
Tomita          &= nbsp;      =20 Introduction and Dance   Firebird (RCA Red=20 Seal)
          &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 of the Firebird
Synthetic=20 Block         Variations on a=20 Theme    Sonic Approach=20 (Hypnos/Binary)
         =             &= nbsp;   =20 of Absence
Synthetic = Block        =20 The Quartz Marsh         Sonic = Approach=20 (Hypnos/Binary)
Synthetic=20 Block         Sonic=20 Approach           = Sonic=20 Approach (Hypnos/Binary)
Saul=20 Stokes           &= nbsp;=20 Noise=20 Coast           &n= bsp; =20 Fields (Hypnos/Binary)
Jonn=20 Serrie           &= nbsp;=20 Mystery=20 Road           &nb= sp;=20 Plaetary Chronicles Volume=20 1
           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 (Miramar)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Open=20 Heart           &n= bsp;  =20 MC&SS-Recent Future (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Turn to = Light           =20 MC&SS-Recent Future (Projekt)
 
12:00 am
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Shift the Dimension      MC&SS-Recent = Future=20 (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 This Moment Is a Memory  MC&SS-Recent Future (Projekt)
Steve = Roach           &n= bsp;=20 This Moment Is Another   MC&SS-Recent Future=20 (Projekt)
          =             &= nbsp;  =20 Memory
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Slightly = Below          =20 MC&SS-Recent Future (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Essence of Phaedra       MC&SS-Recent = Future=20 (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Left Perfectly Alone     MC&SS-Recent Future=20 (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp; A=20 Subtle Body Current    MC&SS-Recent Future = (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Personal Nature         =20 MC&SS-Recent Future (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Grounding Place         =20 MC&SS-Recent Future (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Turning=20 Back           &nb= sp;=20 MC&SS-Recent Future (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 The Spiral of Time's     MC&SS-Recent Future=20 (Projekt)
          =             &= nbsp;  =20 Fire Burns On *
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long = focus on=20 Steve Roach and his
new box set release.  The Featured CD at = Midnight=20 will be "Piece of Infinity,"
the fourth and final disc from the = "Mystic=20 Chords & Sacred Spaces" boxed set on
the Projekt label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Beam-Scape" by Peter = Mergener=20 and
Michael Weisser on the IC label.
 
I will play the music of Robert Rich who will be performing at the=20 Soundscapes
Concert Series.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C33709.37F767A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 09:52:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KDnng32390; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:49:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:49:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620134943.40318.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <070201c33727$f2ef09f0$cca44a43@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jimfowler wrote: > you're gonna have to drill this into your drummers > head because he's used to being the one who picks > and maintains the tempo, but now that you're > looping, YOU ARE THE METRONOME. Maybe generally, but I don't think it needs to be that rigid. As long as the tempo is steady, I don't have a problem with timing unsynched loops to another musician's playing. (I have more difficulty convincing other musicians not to do spontaneous, sudden KEY CHANGES when there's a nice multi-looper drone going because I can't follow it with one simple button push; it's a recipe for a trainwreck!) One trick that works well with the Headrush for following another player's timing is to record a loop of silence right on their beat. Then when you're overdubbing onto it, the timing aspect is already taken care of and you can focus on playing. This can be done with other models of loopers as well; the one Headrush-specific drawback is that you can't do the right-button take-it-back-to-the-original-layer trick. (Well, you CAN actually, and it does retain the timing, but it's silent! That can work well for dramatic changes; it's what I did on 'Hip Check', track 54 at . That's not a punch-in. The original title was "Jimmy Page Runs Up and Hip-checks Robert Fripp Off His Little Stool"...) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 09:54:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KDrOQ00543; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:53:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:53:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012601c33683$d6aa3340$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> References: <012601c33683$d6aa3340$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:53:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jimmy-thanks for the kind words. i'm actually quite proud of that cover. guess the ole mfa in painting/drawing comes in handy now and then.... s--- >its a very nice recording. i like it quit a bit scott, thanks for the cd! >great cover too! > >jg >http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Scott Hansen >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:18 AM >Subject: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' > > >> hi, just wanted to offer up my latest >> cd(r) project, recorded w/ my fostex mr8. >> it's called: 'unPLAYable' >> a little project that i recorded >> w/ my new handmade guitar. >> mostly just guitar experiments w/ the new guitar >> and i also did some tape loop experiments >> w/ my old tascam porta05 running into >> the mr8.if anyone is interested, >> please email me at: >> >> scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu >> >> and send me your "snail mail" address, >> and i can send you a copy of the cd(r) (for free). >> s--- >> -- >> >> -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 09:58:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KDu3T00971; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:56:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:56:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:55:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200306201254.h5KCsZs25460@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4ikUv.A.DP.yJx8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You've got two variables here: your drummer's time and your time (actually three--your sense of time when it comes to playing your instrument and your sense of time when doing punches on your looper are probably two separate things at this point). Neither one is "perfect" in a metronomic sense. If you're going to have a rhythmic loop, EVERYONE has to follow the machine because the machine will never pay one bit of attention to the musicians. So, even if your time is really good by human standards, a few milliseconds of slop will quickly add up. The mechanical action of the HR buttons doesn't help anything either. My recommendation would be to get a MIDI syncable looper and have everyone play to some form of click track. If everyone has good metronomic time (again, not to be confused with good "groove" time, or whatever you want to call it), you'll probably all manage to stay together. A drummer will need a really good set of monitors to pull this off though, and a lot of enthusiasm for what many musicians dislike, i.e. playing to a click. Best of luck, TravisH On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 05:54 AM, ESL555@aol.com wrote: > > > My drummer has good time. I'm finding that it is difficult to get my > loops in perfect time. With the Akai it seems that there is a delay > after you click the footswitch so that your loop is always a little > behind. I guess I'm going to have to get real good at punching in and > out. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 10:05:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KE3rT02019; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:03:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:03:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:03:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. In-Reply-To: <20030620045831.34479.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2003 14:03:51.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[C712F000:01C33734] Resent-Message-ID: <2b1ytC.A.Zf.JRx8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:58 20/06/03 , you wrote: >I've found that playing with the akai and other >loopers I achieve my best results sitting down. Yeah I agree, I'm much more accurate with my loop start/stop times when I'm sitting down. > >You just have to get used to the pedal and sit by >yourself creating timed loops over and over until you >get a feel for how to and when to press the buttons. >Once you master that then bring the loops into >rehearsals. Its tightenned up my timing loads - I had no idea how sloopy it was until I started using the DL4 - same goes for tap tempo! Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 10:12:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KEAUP02914; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:10:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:10:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620141024.71436.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Scott Hansen wrote: > i'm actually quite proud of that cover. > guess the ole mfa in painting/drawing comes in handy > now and then.... I got my copy a week or two ago (thanks!), but didn't get a chance to listen until last night. I really enjoyed the tracks where you were experimenting with the endless-loop cassette; nice mix of hi- and lo-fi going there. The cover art's very cool too, although in low light I noticed I had to take my glasses off to read the small print. Don't tell me I'm gonna be needing bifocals! Shheeeesh, hit 40 and start falling apart! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 10:20:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KEH6x03827; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:17:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:17:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: OT: gtr for cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jim (et al) again thanks for the kind words.... to answer your ?'s: So you really did build your own guitar?-YES based on a Klein?-YES worth the effort-YES happy with it-YES my own "klein-like"-is based on a klein, i did some mods to the body-i think it's a hair smaller, and i used the web photo from klein's site to scale up a plan. and then it got "abridged" due to the wood i bought (bought a piece about 2" shorter than i wanted). i started designing in march '01, started building in dec 01. finished 17 months later. hardest part-the neck. solid rosewood (bocote) is not easy to shape (took me 3 mo's). and i used hand tools (files) i have very minimal amt of tools (& skill). other hard parts-frets, AND FRET FINISHING. a good site is jason f's photos on his project: http://www.unm.edu/~cornflak/klein.htm/ that was a lot of help for me (& the eccentricluthier yahoo group). mine doesn't have the "finished" look of his. but it is functional & works. 2 local gtr techs told me it was unplayable, hence the title. if i could make a rec if you're going to build one, would be to use a MOSES neck like jason did. although i love the sound and feel of the solid rosewood neck. i was worried about how it would hold up w/ out a truss rod, so i left it a little thick, but it fits my hand perfectly. s-- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 10:23:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KEKxc04366; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:20:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030620000835.1079.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030620000835.1079.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:20:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: OT: eccentric luthier site... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, i should say that tim, greg h. and jason f. were most helpful in the process of building. good online support for some frustrating times.... and jason's web pic of his klein project are helpful in that he documenting the whole process. i really thought mine wouldn't turn out, so i didn't really document.... s--- >--- Jim Poppen wrote: >> So you really did build your own guitar? It's based >> on a Klein? ...I've been thinking of building my own >> Klein copy... > >A few of us on the list have done just that. You can >see photos of 'em and join us at the Eccentric >Luthiery Support Group at > > >-t- > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 10:33:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KEVBU05805; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:31:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:31:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <07a601c3376a$94773fd0$cca44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030620134943.40318.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:28:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "One trick that works well with the Headrush for following another player's timing is to record a loop of silence right on their beat. Then when you're overdubbing onto it, the timing aspect is already taken care of and you can focus on playing. " yes, but if there's even the smallest fluctuation in the time from empty-loop-bar to when you go to overdub, you're gonna get a bump or a glitch. personally, i've never found this to work unless i do an empty loop with the drum machine. "A drummer will need a really good set of monitors to pull this off though, and a lot of enthusiasm for what many musicians dislike, i.e. playing to a click." this is why i'm working on a personal headphone monitoring scheme...so the drummer can hear the loop loud and clear. i've found that most musicians' reaction to any static form of metric guide is met with frustration and contempt. playing along with a click is metrically perfect, but almost feels unnatural because it's flawless. nonetheless, i love having this "musical metronome" to keep us from speeding up or slowing down, drummers be damned. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 10:54:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KEq5e08513; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:52:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:52:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:51:26 EDT Subject: midi librarian To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.417b7acd.2c24796e_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10638 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fb.417b7acd.2c24796e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i run out of memory on my drum machine so i have to save a set of tunes to floppy disc and erase them to have space to build new ones. question......is there any box out there that will load data on to a boss 660 drum machine super fast? it takes about a little over a minute to load with my peavey midi librarian........kinda long for live situations. thanks! brian somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com --part1_fb.417b7acd.2c24796e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i run out of memory on my drum machine so i have to sa= ve a set of tunes to floppy disc and erase them to have space to build new o= nes.

question......is there any box out there that will load data on to a boss 66= 0 drum machine super fast? it takes about a little over a minute to load wit= h my peavey midi librarian........kinda long for live situations.

thanks!
brian
somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com --part1_fb.417b7acd.2c24796e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 11:28:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KFPFP13065; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030620152514.39949.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <070201c33727$f2ef09f0$cca44a43@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6lOU7C.A.AMD.bdy8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jimfowler wrote: > you're gonna have to drill this into your drummers head because he's used to > being the one who picks and maintains the tempo, but now that you're looping, > YOU ARE THE METRONOME. the drummer must follow you, not the other way around. > i'm still reminding my drummer that once a loop is running, that's the tempo he > has to follow. Yes, and along this line, your drummer absolutely HAS to be able to hear you well. If his monitoring setup isn't allowing that, he can't track with you. That said, you should defintely practice getting your loops started/ended tightly. Sit down with a metronome or drum machine for awhile and practice just making loops. Don't get distracted with the loop content, just concentrate on getting the loop start and end points right. It'll make a big difference. Rick W. once gave me this same advice when I was complaining about getting lots of lumpy loops. I think he told me to sit down and create 100 loops, just concentrating on making them smooth. I don't know if I did exactly a hundred, but the exercise improved my ability to "feel" the loop points dramatically. Go for it. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 11:28:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KFR0K13396; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:27:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:27:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <09fd01c33740$6dfc9410$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: Subject: Baywatch - 70s Maestro tape echo Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:10:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_09F8_01C33746.7C895800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_09F8_01C33746.7C895800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Browsing ebay UK brought this up, may be of interest to someone. price = currently =A323.51 - 5 days to go. http://tinyurl.com/ets2=20 "SIREKO early 70's tape echo unit by Maestro, makers of the classic = Echoplex. Works on the same cartridge tape principle with a sliding = record head to adjust the delay/echo time. The unit is supplied with a = tape and replacements are also available on the internet and through = eBay. Controls on the unit to adjust output level of echo and repeat. = When you plug in your instrument the record head moves onto the tape = loop on an arm - see photos. 110V or 240V tappable transformer. All = parts including lid etc in place.=20 "IMPORTANT ! This unit is no longer working correctly - needs a service = or repair to bring it back to life ! Tape moves and direct sound is = heard but there's no echo signal. Not sure why and I've taken the = decision to sell the Sireko as is rather than having it repaired to sell = on as working. Sold as seen, spares or repair, but could be a bargain = for someone who wants to repair it themselves or invest in it's repair = with a qualified tech."------------ Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net=20 http://www.drumdojo.com=20 http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation=20 www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg=20 ------=_NextPart_000_09F8_01C33746.7C895800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Browsing ebay UK brought this up, may = be of=20 interest to someone. price currently =A323.51 - 5 days to = go.
 
http://tinyurl.com/ets2 =
 
"SIREKO early 70's tape echo unit by Maestro, makers of the classic = Echoplex. Works on the same cartridge tape principle with a sliding = record head=20 to adjust the delay/echo time. The unit is supplied with a tape and = replacements=20 are also available on the internet and through eBay. Controls on the = unit to=20 adjust output level of echo and repeat. When you plug in your instrument = the=20 record head moves onto the tape loop on an arm - see photos. 110V or = 240V=20 tappable transformer. All parts including lid etc in place.=20

"IMPORTANT ! This unit is no longer working correctly - needs = a=20 service or repair to bring it back to life ! Tape moves and direct sound = is=20 heard but there's no echo signal. Not sure why and I've taken the = decision to=20 sell the Sireko as is rather than having it repaired to sell on as = working. Sold=20 as seen, spares or repair, but could be a bargain for someone who wants = to=20 repair it themselves or invest in it's repair with a qualified = tech."------------

Paul

----------------------
Paul = Marshall
Portfolio=20 Sound Artist
http://www.powerhaus.net=20
http://www.drumdojo.com =
http://www.differentdrums.co.uk<= /A>
NI=20 Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation
www.dacapo.co.uk
Drumdojo = Recommended link=20 For June 2003
Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg=20

------=_NextPart_000_09F8_01C33746.7C895800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 11:30:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KFS1D13580; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:28:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF32AD1.F8CBE23F@erols.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:40:01 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi clock issues References: <20030620065707.9947.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_xRkVB.A.DUD.Bgy8-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Tidwell wrote: > It sounds like you just need to change the 8th/cycle > parameter. Check what the EDP is set at & double > the number. > > John > > --- jimfowler wrote: > > so i have my new elektron machinedrum sync'd to the > > edp so that the loop > > picks the tempo. the problem is that the drum > > machine is playing the beat > > too slow (1/2 half tempo). is there any way to > > affect this from the > > edp...effectively make it send clock that is half > > the time as the actual > > loop (loop is 4.0, clock sent needs to be 2.0...make > > sense?) or will i need > > to take this up with the drum machine. > > > > thanks, folks. > > > > -jim > > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com Actually, I've been having a lot of fun this week with the 8th/cylcle setting and a drum machine. I set up a short one bar loop. The drum machine (electribe ER-1) will play in time. The I change the 8th cycle setting to 16, same loop but now the drum machine is double time. The I change it to 4, now the drum machine is in half time. It gets really fun if you change to 6 or some other different meter because you get various polyrhthms then. This is really fun to do especially if your soloing to change the feel of the music without changing the loop. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 11:52:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KFoAd17259; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1056124201!40307 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB19F@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: drums and midiclock Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:48:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C33743.68FB6BF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33743.68FB6BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" all this talk of "who's in charge of how fast we play?".... I actually want the whole band to be able to slow down or speed up whenever it wants, and we've now got to the stage where the only thing that won't budge is the jam-man. the repeater is quite happy to alter tempo and will even have a stab at working it out for you. so next session, I aim to feed the drums into the repeater and see if the clock that results is useable by anything else in our setup. (to stop the repeater recording the drums, I'll use the insert switching or some other trickery whenever it's in record). if none of this works, I'll adapt something so that the drummer can tap-tempo into one of our korg electribe boxes.... anything that can turn a note-on-off into tap-temo information could be used with a trigger-pad in the vicinity of the sticksman.... failing all that, I've got a kahler human clock in my attic. anyone remember them? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33743.68FB6BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: drums and midiclock

all this talk of "who's in charge of how fast we pla= y?"....
I actually want the whole band to be able to slow down o= r speed up whenever it wants, and we've now got to the stage where the only= thing that won't budge is the jam-man. the repeater is quite happy to alte= r tempo and will even have a stab at working it out for you.

so next session, I aim to feed the drums into the repeate= r and see if the clock that results is useable by anything else in our setu= p. (to stop the repeater recording the drums, I'll use the insert switching= or some other trickery whenever it's in record).

if none of this works, I'll adapt something so that the d= rummer can tap-tempo into one of our korg electribe boxes.... anything that= can turn a note-on-off into tap-temo information could be used with a trig= ger-pad in the vicinity of the sticksman....

failing all that, I've got a kahler human clock in my att= ic. anyone remember them?

duncan.



***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=
------_=_NextPart_001_01C33743.68FB6BF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 12:12:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KG9QM20116; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:09:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030620141024.71436.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030620141024.71436.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:09:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: my new cd(r) project...'unPLAYable' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, i know, staring at computers for work for the last 6 yrs, i'm having a hard time reading small things too.... some day we'll probably be a very blind and deaf race of humans in our neck of the woods..... funny, i was listening to andre's cd the other day and noticed that his insert card is just one square sheet, and i thought, hmmmm, no folding....that would be good... s--- >--- Scott Hansen wrote: >> i'm actually quite proud of that cover. >> guess the ole mfa in painting/drawing comes in handy >> now and then.... > >I got my copy a week or two ago (thanks!), but didn't >get a chance to listen until last night. > >I really enjoyed the tracks where you were >experimenting with the endless-loop cassette; nice mix >of hi- and lo-fi going there. > >The cover art's very cool too, although in low light I >noticed I had to take my glasses off to read the small >print. Don't tell me I'm gonna be needing bifocals! >Shheeeesh, hit 40 and start falling apart! > >-t- > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 13:26:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KHP1v30903; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:25:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:25:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:11:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. In-Reply-To: <20030620045831.34479.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2003 17:24:59.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0085660:01C33750] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:58 20/06/03 , you wrote:
>I've found that playing with the akai and other
>loopers I achieve my best results sitting down.


Yeah I agree, I'm much more accurate with my loop start/stop times when I'm sitting down.
>
>You just have to get used to the pedal and sit by
>yourself creating timed loops over and over until you
>get a feel for how to and when to press the buttons.
>Once you master that then bring the loops into
>rehearsals.


Its tightenned up my timing loads - I had no idea how sloopy it was until I started using the DL4 - same goes for tap tempo!

Ian.
 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 14:56:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KIsmT11679; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620114459.033c4c50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:55:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Pro w/Loop IV and a drum machine In-Reply-To: <20030620075333.14946.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030620074208.26984.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1yI_JC.A.X2C.4h18-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:53 AM 6/20/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: >Do you have to use the quantize on the echoplex if you >are going to use midi'd up with a drum machine and >want it to stay synced up properly? It will stay in sync with the drum machine if you use quantize or not. Either way it always rounds off the ending of a Record so that it gives the right loop length according the the midi clock tempo and the 8ths/cycle setting. With Quantize off, you can start recording at any time. When you tap Record again to end the recording, it will round off to get the right cycle length and then stay in sync after that. This is nice if you want sync but don't want to be constrained by where the sequencer says the downbeat is. With Quantize on, the Echoplex starts recording only at the downbeat as determined from the midi clock. When you tap Record at a different point, it will go into the quantizing wait state. (ooo on the display.) When the downbeat comes along it will start recording. When you tap record again to end, it will round off to the end of the cycle, same as above. This is nice if you need your loops to Record metrically aligned with the sequence. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 16:52:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KKmnc26827; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620115826.04079e38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:49:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. In-Reply-To: <070201c33727$f2ef09f0$cca44a43@g0wn7> References: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:31 AM 6/20/2003, jimfowler wrote: >SIT DOWN WHEN YOU LOOP. i still can't nail the tempo when i try and >balance on one foot while clicking buttons with the other. Maybe that's also a question of practice? I often find performers who sit down when they could be standing to be a little boring to watch. I guess it depends on the context and instrument and type of music, but most times I think standing is better. I think it affects the energy of the music and the engagement between performer and audience as well. >you're gonna have to drill this into your drummers head because he's used >to being the one who picks and maintains the tempo, but now that you're >looping, YOU ARE THE METRONOME. the drummer must follow you, not the >other way around. i'm still reminding my drummer that once a loop is >running, that's the tempo he has to follow. This seems too rigid to me, and kind of like an excuse for looping musicians who haven't developed the skills to control their loops very well. In a band, everybody should be listening to everybody, and taking responsibility that they are playing their own part in time with everybody else. That *includes* you and your loops. Yes, the others should listen and lock in to you also, but when your loop is shifting out of tempo with everyone else, you need to know how to adjust it! that might include: - tapping the loop in time to begin with - retriggering loops to get aligned back with the downbeat (manual sync) - adjusting tempo controls to beat match - redefining loop lengths on the fly - re-recording the loop on the fly if necessary - generating sync clocks from other players for the looper to follow - etc. Stamping your foot and insisting that everybody else has to obey the tempo of your loop seems like a good way to end up being a solo musician since nobody else will want to play with you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 17:05:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KKxnk28594; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:59:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:59:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Mistsojorn@aol.com Message-ID: <23.314345e7.2c24cfb3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:59:31 EDT Subject: PROMO: Phila.-6/22: Elliot Levin/Charles Cohen/John Cecil Price, et al To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun., June 22- 8 PM @ The Rotunda (4014 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA): All ages/no cover. http://www.foundationarts.org, 215-573-3234 Jazz great Elliot Levin duets w/ Charles Cohen. Both men are significant in numerous Philadelphia scenes. Levin, a regular at Tritone, Fiume, and other local spots, plays reeds for and sits in with bands such as Calvin Weston's Big Tree, Elliot Levin Trio, Animus, The Crime, and others. He also performs beat poetry & spoken word. Charles Cohen is a master improviser on the Buchla Music Easel, a blue "box" of wires and plugs which generate various sounds and pitches. The music will range from avant garde jazz to ambient. *+ John Cecil Price from The Crime(ex-AKASH, Temple of Bon Matin, White Girl, Psychohead), joins up with DJ Lorne to spin & weave "Massive Tales of Love with a Mighty Strange Kindness". *(Downtempo-dark ambient-experimental-space-jazz-grooves) + Resident improvisers from Philly's Highwire Gallery will jam to start off the show. Expect electric violin, guitar, loops, etc etc etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 17:15:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KLDtD30553; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:13:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:13:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:18:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620115826.04079e38@loopers-delight.com> References: <070201c33727$f2ef09f0$cca44a43@g0wn7> <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2003 21:13:54.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[DABB03E0:01C33770] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, >Kim wrote: "Maybe that's also a question of practice? >I often find performers who sit down when they could be standing to be a >little boring to watch. I guess it depends on the context and instrument >and type of music, but most times I think standing is better. I think it >affects the energy of the music and the engagement between performer and >audience as well. I think I agree in terms of appearance and energy but My own issue, (as a Disabled musician) is 1- about being able to see my equipment well enough to use it accurately and 2- due to a neck condition, I find it hard to stand for long periods. So I try to do both - sitting down when I need to for either sight or pain/tiredness reasons and standing to play sax/wind-synth when I can. This is a compromise but I guess that its the best way that I've found of managing it for myself. I like to stand up to play as much as I can. Oh, and I also think that standing or sitting musicians that are playing freely look much better than musicians with music stands in front of them, that does really turn me off! (only slight change of subject) but the last bass player in my (acoustic non-looping band) had a music stand when the rest of us played from memory and improvised freely - I think it looked aweful - I like to see that musicians can play freely enough to be able to develop the music with one another as they play rather than being tied down by the written 'dots'. Ian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 17:23:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KLMo032090; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:22:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:22:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c33772$22edb8f0$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030620115826.04079e38@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:23:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3cRqE.A.R1H.qs38-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always felt like the Boss RC-20 had a little delay to its button presse, too. I think the amount of travel in the RC-20's pedals makes it a little harder to hit right in time than stomping on the EDP's buttons, which were a lot easier for me to get things in time with. I used to not think looping with other loopers was feasible without an elaborate monitoring rig, and having the loopers synced with MIDI but after jamming with Cara I see that it is possible. Just try and get your loop as in-time as possible, and then set up a button on your foot controller for retriggering your loop. Then you are responsible for keeping it in time with the rest of the players. However, if you have other players who are russian dragons and don't listen, then it just become a lot harder. I find it easier to hit time sensitive buttons when I am standing. If the music is groovy then I am bouncing along with it, and the button presses are just an extension of that bounce. A wise musician told me once, "How can you expect other people to dance to the music you're playing if you're not dancing to it?" That's part of your job as a performer is to lead the people in that sort of thing. Obviously everyone's not looking to make people dance, but it's something to think about. We may be able to appreciate music emitting from a sedentary body but, like it or not, MTV has taught the world that "real" music comes from people who are standing up with their guitars hanging down at their knees. Sit or stand, we've got to live with that. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. > At 05:31 AM 6/20/2003, jimfowler wrote: > >SIT DOWN WHEN YOU LOOP. i still can't nail the tempo when i try and > >balance on one foot while clicking buttons with the other. > > Maybe that's also a question of practice? > > I often find performers who sit down when they could be standing to be a > little boring to watch. I guess it depends on the context and instrument > and type of music, but most times I think standing is better. I think it > affects the energy of the music and the engagement between performer and > audience as well. > > > >you're gonna have to drill this into your drummers head because he's used > >to being the one who picks and maintains the tempo, but now that you're > >looping, YOU ARE THE METRONOME. the drummer must follow you, not the > >other way around. i'm still reminding my drummer that once a loop is > >running, that's the tempo he has to follow. > > This seems too rigid to me, and kind of like an excuse for looping > musicians who haven't developed the skills to control their loops very > well. In a band, everybody should be listening to everybody, and taking > responsibility that they are playing their own part in time with everybody > else. That *includes* you and your loops. Yes, the others should listen and > lock in to you also, but when your loop is shifting out of tempo with > everyone else, you need to know how to adjust it! > > that might include: > - tapping the loop in time to begin with > - retriggering loops to get aligned back with the downbeat (manual sync) > - adjusting tempo controls to beat match > - redefining loop lengths on the fly > - re-recording the loop on the fly if necessary > - generating sync clocks from other players for the looper to follow > - etc. > > Stamping your foot and insisting that everybody else has to obey the tempo > of your loop seems like a good way to end up being a solo musician since > nobody else will want to play with you. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 17:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KLhhE02651; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:43:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.21.72] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:43:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2003 21:43:34.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFE8D990:01C33774] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use loops in a number of different situations, in addition to my solo bass/looping performances. In fact, I try (though do not always succeed) in using loops in just about every project I get involved in. Often this might just be in one section of tune in a band's set..but nonetheless, it has helped me to better understand how other musicians percieve looping. One thing that is absolutely neccessay is a good monitoring sytem...especially if you are working with a drummer. Few are the drummers you recoginize their own "imperfections", and often when playing to loops they tend to balme the machine. When using a less than aceptable monitor system, I tend to use my DL4, and "readjust" my loop manually...that is to say, I play what it being looped (to provide continuity) and stop the loop, then re-record it at whatever new tempo/feel we have drifted to. Of course, this may have to be done several times if the drummer/other instruments cannot adjust themselves to the time of the looper. I have recently been using an Adrennalinn, which allows me to send a click drumtrack to a seperate monitor at the drummer ( for this I am using a SWR California Blonde amp). The Adrenalinn in midi syn'd to my JamMan, to his click is at tempo of the loops....this helps. But, nothing beats having your own "looping chops" honed to a fine point. There are a few techniques for tightenig up those pesky loop points and keeping your rhythmic fidelity. I stumbled upon a technique for tightening up the start and end points of loops which has greatly helped the rhythmic quality and “seamless-ness” of my looping and so thought I might share it. I might point out, that usually I consider any “glitch” in the loop to be “incidental” rather than “accidental”, and thus can incorporate it into the loop, even though it might be a garish “error” with an obvious skip to it. The trick there is to make the skip part of the piece…. ….but mostly I am referring to small timing errors which, although the do not seem as obvious as “jumps” still are enough to annoy and frustrate. Probably the biggest point is to play through the end of a loop. That is to say, that as you punch out, play along with the part and into the looped part. This helps lose any noticeable “pops” in the loop points. To aid in the timing of your loop tap ins and outs, you need do develop your rhythmic acuity. One way I have found to be a great help is to hook up a drum machine along with whatever is your primary instrument, in my case bass, to separate channels of a mixer and put the looper into the aux send and return. Be sure to return the looping device to the aux return and not a separate channel. The idea here is “record” the drum machine along with whatever you are looping. If your timing is perfect the drum parts will be flawless, until they start to drift do to lack of sync(yes, btw, don’t sync the looper and drum machine as that will defeat the purpose of the whole technique). That is to say there will be no audible “flam”, glitch or other audio inconsistency. If your timing is just a hair off, something like 10-20ms, you will get a phasing effect from the looped drum part and the original sequence being slightly off. With practice you can lose this phasing effect, and gain a newfound “tightness” to your loops. If your timing is further off, there will be obvious flams, and glitches and other audio ugliness. I use this technique as a regular practice for my looping, and it has helped greatly. It has made it possible for me to really the hear the loops as a sort of audio landscape, and with a higher degree of accuracy in setting the loop points I can proceed with real-time playing or overdubs just as the loop begins to play…again greatly benefiting a “seamless” quality. Of course, with any loop tap, MIDI or otherwise, there is a slight latency, and what you are doing is learning to compensate for this. This is not a performance technique, but rather a practice technique which I have found has greatly improved the rhythmic quality of my loops. Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 18:04:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KM3BK05708; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:03:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:07:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620115826.04079e38@loopers-delight.com> References: <070201c33727$f2ef09f0$cca44a43@g0wn7> <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2003 22:03:09.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC77A760:01C33777] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, >Kim wrote: "Maybe that's also a question of practice? >I often find performers who sit down when they could be standing to be a >little boring to watch. I guess it depends on the context and instrument >and type of music, but most times I think standing is better. I think it >affects the energy of the music and the engagement between performer and >audience as well. I think I agree with you in terms of both appearance/stage presence and musical engagement/energy but My own issues, (as a Disabled musician) are: 1- about being able to see my equipment well enough to use it accurately and consistantly and 2- due to a neck condition, I find it hard to stand for long periods. So I try to do both - playing sitting down when I need to for either sight or pain/tiredness reasons and standing to play when I can. This is a compromise but I guess that its the best way that I've found of managing it for myself. I like to stand up to play as much as I can in terms of communication with other band members, being able to move etc. Oh, and I also think that musicians whether standing or sitting who play freely look much better than musicians with music stands in front of them, that does really turn me off! (only slight change of subject here!) but the last bass player in my (largely acoustic non-looping band) had a music stand when the rest of us played from memory and improvised freely - I think it looked aweful - I like to see that musicians can play freely enough to be able to develop the music with one another as they play rather than being tied down by the written 'dots'. Ian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 18:47:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KMj3d12599; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:45:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:45:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <07eb01c337af$9e6d8d10$cca44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030620065707.9947.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> <3EF32AD1.F8CBE23F@erols.com> Subject: Re: midi clock issues Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:43:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1FaoGB.A.qED.v548-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "It gets really fun if you change to 6 or some other different meter because you get various polyrhthms then." heh...i accidentally figured this one out while changing 8th/cycle in the middle of the loop...very cool. by the way, changing this fixed the problem. thanks so much for the sage advice. this list rules. that's why i'm buying a shirt. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 19:00:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KMxWJ14735; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:59:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:59:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <086001c337b1$a315a670$cca44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030620115826.04079e38@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:57:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Maybe that's also a question of practice?" absolutely. "I often find performers who sit down when they could be standing to be a little boring to watch." the important word there is "could". often i'm too busy working with my feet to stand for long before i'm needed back in the seat. i do try to stand when i can...it's more fun! "This seems too rigid to me..." you're right, it's pretty rigid but i have a drummer who likes to speed up for the loud parts and slow down for the quiet parts. i know the time should "breathe" but we're talking double digits, bpm-wise. sending a click out isn't possible...too many meter changes...easier to just know the song and pick up on the guitar riff. however, if i goof up the loop, i always rerecord it. the guitar being the prime rhythmic device is no worse than any traditional band, where the drummer is the prime rhythmic device. it's just a shift in the mechanical roles of the band...everyone still writes together...hell, the drummer should thank me. now he has less to do (and we all know: the less the drummer has to do, the happier s/he will be). -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 19:46:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5KNfON19627; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:41:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:41:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016001c33785$43901540$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620115826.04079e38@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:39:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I often find performers who sit down when they could be standing to be a > little boring to watch. I guess it depends on the context and instrument > and type of music, but most times I think standing is better. I think it > affects the energy of the music and the engagement between performer and > audience as well. Depends on what kind of energy you're trying to create. I find that I can get a fairly intimate feeling between myself and the audience going even in the biggest of venues that I've played, because I'm chilled out as well... Can be tricky if the audience are standing and I'm sitting, but I'm still not about to stand up to play a gig - sounds way too much like hard work, and would put me in totally the wrong space metally and physically to be doing what I'm doing. If some people found that dull, fair play, they can just enjoy the lights shining off my silver T-shirts, or argue with their friends about which Henson creations died to make my jacket... ;o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 20:32:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L0V1U24472; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030621003055.76828.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:30:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <086001c337b1$a315a670$cca44a43@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3YA2tD.A.Q-F.Fd68-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe this is symptomatic of other, unrelated problems, but if I sit down to play, I can't reach all of my pedals! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 21:13:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L1Crm30130; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:12:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:12:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1df.ba92cd1.2c250b06@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:12:38 EDT Subject: unPLAYable To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1df.ba92cd1.2c250b06_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1df.ba92cd1.2c250b06_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is the second, of i hope many, cds from HsAcNoStEtN.....more wild and wacky guitar loopery.....wonderful stuff.....scott's projects are what make LD a great gathering place.....where else could you get music and cover art (also wonderful) like this?.....nowhere but here!.....thanks scott!....."wow, that's great weird stuff!!!"......michael --part1_1df.ba92cd1.2c250b06_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this is the second, of i=20= hope many, cds from HsAcNoStEtN.....more wild and wacky guitar looper= y.....wonderful stuff.....scott's projects are what make LD a great gatherin= g place.....where else could you get music and cover art (also wonderful) li= ke this?.....nowhere but here!.....thanks scott!....."wow, that's great weir= d stuff!!!"......michael --part1_1df.ba92cd1.2c250b06_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 21:19:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L1ILu31114; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:18:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:18:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:18:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200306202145.h5KLjob03072@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <3DBADA01-A386-11D7-97FA-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even if the loop is tapped in time to begin with (the loop may even be the beginning or foundation of the piece), at some point it's likely that some drift is going to occur between one or more of the musicians and the loop. People can have great time on a human scale, but when it comes to machines the margins are, of course, inhuman. I've got a groove box that allows tap tempo and displays the BPM down to 1/10BPM, and I find it impossible to reliably match an audible click down to the dot. And that's when I'm not playing guitar at the same time and trying to follow several other musicians and operate foot pedals, etc. Re-triggering doesn't help if the overall tempo has increased or decreased. If someone's playing 5% faster than the loop tempo, and the loop contains specific rhythmic and/or melodic information that the other musicians are in theory playing "with", then a re-trigger will only fix things for a very short time. And if the loop is longer than a bar, the loop controlling musician may not want to lop off a few bars to try and chase the tempo of the other musician(s). Likewise, redefining loop length won't help, since that only changes the start and end point, and all the information between will still be out of sync with the new tempo. Re-recording the loop on the fly isn't a very workable option if the loop is multiple bars (say eight) and features multiple layers. If it's a loop with three "voices", it'll take twenty-four bars to re-record all the music, by which time the tempo may have shifted again, or that part of the piece may have ended. A sync clock from the other players also wouldn't help in the above situation, because it doesn't fix the problem of mis-aligned beats within the loop once the tempo starts shifting. Unless you had real-time pitch stretching operating in tandem with the clock chasing. I'd always wondered how other people used loops in band contexts. In my experience, we either all followed MIDI clock, or the loops were ambient and could be left to freewheel. But we weren't doing pre-composed pieces, and in the MIDI clock situation there was no drummer (all programmed/sampled beats and loops). And I have a hard enough time finding a drummer with a kit, car and phone, let alone one who is willing and able to follow a click in live circumstances. I'd love to hear from other people who have dealt with loops in an ensemble situation with pre-composed tunes/songs. TravisH >> you're gonna have to drill this into your drummers head because he's >> used to being the one who picks and maintains the tempo, but now that >> you're looping, YOU ARE THE METRONOME. the drummer must follow you, >> not the other way around. i'm still reminding my drummer that once a >> loop is running, that's the tempo he has to follow. > > This seems too rigid to me, and kind of like an excuse for looping > musicians who haven't developed the skills to control their loops very > well. In a band, everybody should be listening to everybody, and > taking responsibility that they are playing their own part in time > with everybody else. That *includes* you and your loops. Yes, the > others should listen and lock in to you also, but when your loop is > shifting out of tempo with everyone else, you need to know how to > adjust it! > > that might include: > - tapping the loop in time to begin with > - retriggering loops to get aligned back with the downbeat (manual > sync) > - adjusting tempo controls to beat match > - redefining loop lengths on the fly > - re-recording the loop on the fly if necessary > - generating sync clocks from other players for the looper to follow > - etc. > > Stamping your foot and insisting that everybody else has to obey the > tempo of your loop seems like a good way to end up being a solo > musician since nobody else will want to play with you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 21:34:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L1XwZ00534; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:33:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:33:56 -0700 Subject: Sitting, standing, etc. (was Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help..) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200306202145.h5KLjob03072@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <6C7D0B44-A388-11D7-97FA-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com People's opinions on the "right" or "best" way to be on stage vary greatly depending on context and personal preferences. If you're a string quartet, sitting down and music stands don't give anyone pause. But if you do the same thing and you're in a power-pop-punk band, there may be a collision between audience expectations and your presentation. There's always going to be a balance between what's most comfortable and/or effective for the musican and what people want/expect to see. There's tons of great musicians who sit down, use sheet music, or wear their strap "too short" or who just stand there looking at their shoes, and vice versa. TravisH On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 02:45 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Oh, and I also think that standing or sitting musicians that are > playing > freely > look much better than musicians with music stands in front of them, > that does > really turn me off! (only slight change of subject) but the last bass > player in > my (acoustic non-looping band) had a music stand when the rest of us > played > from memory and improvised freely - I think it looked aweful - I like > to see > that musicians can play freely enough to be able to develop the music > with one > another as they play rather than being tied down by the written 'dots'. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 21:40:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L1e8q01189; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:40:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:40:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200306210140.h5L1e5o22116@mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:47:50 +0800 Subject: Bass Players Loop Cd info ? From: "Cameron Street" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's been a little quiet about the BassPlayers Loop cd, and i hav'nt stopped thinking about it. Is everyone still interested? Where can i send my loop track? sorry for the rush, just wondering. cam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 21:48:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L1lmW01979; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:47:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:47:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030621014747.49193.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Sitting, standing, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6C7D0B44-A388-11D7-97FA-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It doesn't matter to me at all. I've performed sitting down, standing up. lying down, and hanging upside down from the rafters. It's the quality of the music you are making that counts to me. All the very best! Terry --- Travis wrote: > People's opinions on the "right" or "best" way to be > on stage vary > greatly depending on context and personal > preferences. If you're a > string quartet, sitting down and music stands don't > give anyone pause. > But if you do the same thing and you're in a > power-pop-punk band, there > may be a collision between audience expectations and > your presentation. > There's always going to be a balance between > what's most comfortable > and/or effective for the musican and what people > want/expect to see. > There's tons of great musicians who sit down, use > sheet music, or wear > their strap "too short" or who just stand there > looking at their shoes, > and vice versa. > > > TravisH > > > On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 02:45 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Oh, and I also think that standing or sitting > musicians that are > > playing > > freely > > look much better than musicians with music stands > in front of them, > > that does > > really turn me off! (only slight change of > subject) but the last bass > > player in > > my (acoustic non-looping band) had a music stand > when the rest of us > > played > > from memory and improvised freely - I think it > looked aweful - I like > > to see > > that musicians can play freely enough to be able > to develop the music > > with one > > another as they play rather than being tied down > by the written 'dots'. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 23:11:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L3ALj10920; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF3CE25.14A72CDC@royhughes.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:16:53 -0500 From: Estel Hughes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hello from a new looper ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi members of loopers-delight! I was referred to this site by a good friend of mine, Jimmy George, who mentioned that there were some postings requesting or asking about keyboard/piano players that were doing looping. I am a keyboard player that does looping (among other things). I didn't know until I found this site the great extent of other fellow loopers out there in the world, and the amazing music that is made by all of you. I have just been able to scratch the surface of your collective works on this site, and I am already excited and thrilled to hopefully be joining in the fray. I would be most interested in hearing from other keyboard players and sharing ideas about looping, composition, and hearing the work of others. My current setup right now is a Kurzweil K2500 synth with piano add-on sample module and the KDFX effects subsystem, which allows me to do looping and live processing effects in a myriad of ways. All of my loop works are improvised on the spot. I'm constantly experimenting with my setup, jumping between piano, other keyboards, pure synth, texture backgrounds, and so on. Hopefully some of it is interesting. For examples of my current and past work, a few mp3's can be found at my website on my new looping page at: http://www.royhughes.com/music/looping.html I would be grateful for any feedback you want to send my way, and I hope you enjoy my work; I cannot seem to stop doing it !!! -Roy Hughes (aka 'Estel' in the Profiles page) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 23:39:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L3cTa14213; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:38:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:38:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c337a6$42356440$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <3EF3CE25.14A72CDC@royhughes.com> Subject: Re: Hello from a new looper ... Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:36:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com welcome rabbit! you all check out roy's stuff. its tops. fellow piano/keyboard loopers unite? peace jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Estel Hughes To: Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: Hello from a new looper ... > Hi members of loopers-delight! > > I was referred to this site by a good friend of mine, Jimmy George, who > mentioned that there were some postings requesting or asking about > keyboard/piano players that were doing looping. I am a keyboard player > that does looping (among other things). I didn't know until I found this > site the great extent of other fellow loopers out there in the world, > and the amazing music that is made by all of you. I have just been able > to scratch the surface of your collective works on this site, and I am > already excited and thrilled to hopefully be joining in the fray. I > would be most interested in hearing from other keyboard players and > sharing > ideas about looping, composition, and hearing the work of others. > > My current setup right now is a Kurzweil K2500 synth with piano add-on > sample module and the KDFX effects subsystem, which allows me to do > looping and live processing effects in a myriad of ways. All of my loop > works are improvised > on the spot. I'm constantly experimenting with my setup, jumping between > piano, other keyboards, pure synth, texture backgrounds, and so on. > Hopefully some of it is interesting. For examples of my current and past > work, a few mp3's can be found at my website on my new looping page at: > > http://www.royhughes.com/music/looping.html > > I would be grateful for any feedback you want to send my way, and I hope > you enjoy my work; > I cannot seem to stop doing it !!! > > -Roy Hughes (aka 'Estel' in the Profiles page) > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 20 23:58:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L3vW816609; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:57:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:57:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ESL555@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.309c6509.2c2531a4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:57:24 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4f.309c6509.2c2531a4_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4f.309c6509.2c2531a4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My drummer was cool enough to let me know that if I put an extension speaker near his kit he would try to follow the loop. So thats cool. --part1_4f.309c6509.2c2531a4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My drummer was cool enough to let me know that if I pu= t an extension speaker near his kit he would try to follow the loop. So that= s cool. --part1_4f.309c6509.2c2531a4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 00:11:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L4Ad218063; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:10:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:10:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620210410.0339f5b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:11:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. In-Reply-To: <3DBADA01-A386-11D7-97FA-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> References: <200306202145.h5KLjob03072@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, you're screwed then. The Machine rules you. At 06:18 PM 6/20/2003, Travis wrote: >People can have great time on a human scale, but when it comes to machines >the margins are, of course, inhuman. BOW DOWN BEFORE THE MACHINE. >Re-triggering doesn't help FEEL THE POWER OF THE MACHINE. >Re-recording the loop on the fly isn't a very workable RELEASE CONTROL TO THE MACHINE. >A sync clock from the other players also wouldn't help OBEY THE TEMPO. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 00:34:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L4Wwc20288; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:32:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620211330.02383420@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:33:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) In-Reply-To: <001301c33772$22edb8f0$520cfc0c@amd> References: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030620115826.04079e38@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:23 PM 6/20/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >We may be able to appreciate music emitting from a sedentary body but, like >it or not, MTV has taught the world that "real" music comes from people who >are standing up with their guitars hanging down at their knees. Sit or >stand, we've got to live with that. I thought MTV just taught us what qualities to look for in a roommate, what to expect on spring break, and which model of car will get those ladies with the really short pants to dance for you. I'm pretty sure people were standing up to play music and using guitars as crotch extenders before MTV came along, but I was very young then. I've seen pictures though. Last night I saw Estradospere open for Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. Wow that was fun. Not much sitting though, despite the use of looping in a band context. I learned from the Sleepytime drummer that if you really must sit down to play your instrument, it is much better if you wear a big donkey mask for the entire show. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 01:04:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L53aq23205; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:03:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:03:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <150.20742637.2c25411e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:03:26 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_150.20742637.2c25411e_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_150.20742637.2c25411e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/20/03 9:33:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > MTV has taught the world that "real" music comes from people who > >are standing up with their guitars hanging down at their knees. MTV teaches me what music to avoid. --part1_150.20742637.2c25411e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/20/03 9:33:25 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:

MTV has taught the world that "= real" music comes from people who
>are standing up with their guitars hanging down at their knees.

MTV teaches me what music to avoid. --part1_150.20742637.2c25411e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 01:09:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L584X23903; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:08:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:08:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030621050757.3494.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620211330.02383420@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > I'm pretty sure people were standing up to play > music and using guitars as > crotch extenders before MTV came along, but I was > very young then. I've seen pictures though. A timely comment as I've been enjoying the new Led Zeppelin DVDs over the past few days. Was Page the first guitar-slinger to wear it low or was he suffering from hendrix-envy? John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 02:01:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L60RD28975; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:00:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:00:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030621060026.14034.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: David Torn Videos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030621014747.49193.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just watched both of the David Torn videos for the first time. They must have been done a very long time ago. Nothing there I wasn't already aware of back in the mid 80's. He used a modified PCM 42 for his loops. He had a Jam Man but said he'd just got it and didn't know how to use it well yet. He didn't use it at all in the video. He didn't have an echoplex yet. The best thing about the video to me was seeing how he used the trans trem, and hearing him do the occasional lead. He's a very good musician and guitarist. It would be nice to see him do a video on the echoplex and what ever he is using now; and a seperate video on his rhythm and lead styles (without looping). All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 02:13:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L6CJg30077; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:12:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:12:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF38731.3F7@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:16:32 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BASSLOOP,the CD References: <3EE5121F.1167@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's the list of contributers, 1.Max Valentino 2.Dan Soltzberg 3.Alex Stahl 4.Rick Walker 5.Cameron Street 6.Duncan Goddard 7.Jeese Ray Lucas 8.me 9.Doug @ jumpcut ? 10.Evan Meyers 11.Jair Rohm Packer Wells 12.OJ 13.Gregory Bruce Campbell 14.Chris Filber 15.Weg 16.Steve Lawson 17.Mark Christiansen 18.Dave Trenkel This leaves about 4 minutes for each track.This is assuming no one drops out and I haven't forgotten anyone.No one has let me know they absolutely must master the CD , so we don't have an addresse yet to send them too.The contributions will have to be burned to CD to standerd format and all proceeds will be going to Loopers Delight. PEACE Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 02:25:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L6OcZ31272; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:24:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:24:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030621062437.3734.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:24:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620210410.0339f5b8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YEAH!!!!! --- Kim Flint wrote: > Wow, you're screwed then. The Machine rules you. > > At 06:18 PM 6/20/2003, Travis wrote: > >People can have great time on a human scale, but > when it comes to machines > >the margins are, of course, inhuman. > > BOW DOWN BEFORE THE MACHINE. > > >Re-triggering doesn't help > > FEEL THE POWER OF THE MACHINE. > > >Re-recording the loop on the fly isn't a very > workable > > RELEASE CONTROL TO THE MACHINE. > > >A sync clock from the other players also wouldn't > help > > OBEY THE TEMPO. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 03:29:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L7SNO04420; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:28:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:28:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:28:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200306210504.h5L54NW23412@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5L7SMB04395 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Practicing with the drum machine is a great exercise, but when you're on the gig and your time keeper is now a drummer with an elastic pocket, things can get sticky. Even if your playing follows the eccentricities of the acting time-keeper (the drummer in this case) for the duration of the loop recording, this may not match up to what the drummer does twenty bars down the road. A bit of a rush in bar 3 doesn't always translate to every third bar rushing, and if the drummer starts trying to chase the loop, and you're trying to split the difference between the loop and the drummer... I'm curious--are you doing this with non-ambient loops in a live context, and if so, how improvised is the material? TravisH On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 10:04 PM, "max valentino" wrote: > > To aid in the timing of your loop tap ins and outs, you need do > develop your rhythmic acuity. One way I have found to be a great help > is to hook up a drum machine along with whatever is your primary > instrument, in my case bass, to separate channels of a mixer and put > the looper into the aux send and return. Be sure to return the > looping device to the aux return and not a separate channel. The idea > here is “record” the drum machine along with whatever you are looping. > If your timing is perfect the drum parts will be flawless, until they > start to drift do to lack of sync(yes, btw, don’t sync the looper and > drum machine as that will defeat the purpose of the whole technique). > That is to say there will be no audible “flam”, glitch or other audio > inconsistency. > > If your timing is just a hair off, something like 10-20ms, you will > get a phasing effect from the looped drum part and the original > sequence being slightly off. With practice you can lose this phasing > effect, and gain a newfound “tightness” to your loops. If your timing > is further off, there will be obvious flams, and glitches and other > audio ugliness. I use this technique as a regular practice for my > looping, and it has helped greatly. It has made it possible for me to > really the hear the loops as a sort of audio landscape, and with a > higher degree of accuracy in setting the loop points I can proceed > with real-time playing or overdubs just as the loop begins to > play…again greatly benefiting a “seamless” quality. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 04:15:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L8EZo08539; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:12:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030621050757.3494.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- Kim Flint wrote: >> I'm pretty sure people were standing up to play >> music and using guitars as >> crotch extenders before MTV came along, but I was >> very young then. I've seen pictures though. > > A timely comment as I've been enjoying the new Led > Zeppelin DVDs over the past few days. Was Page the > first guitar-slinger to wear it low or was he > suffering from hendrix-envy? > > John early t bone walker and guitar slim from texas in the 50s were famous for their way below the belt guitarin among others in the blues idiom that werent famous enough to get their faces on record jackets... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 04:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L8KlY09295; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030621082045.75280.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Summer Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030621060026.14034.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been up all night recording, waiting for the sunrise. I live near some ancient Indian mounds that have a solar alignment phenomona similar to Stonehenge that I am going to go see at sunrise. All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 04:59:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L8vl012599; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:57:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:57:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030621085741.12642.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Summer McSolstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030621082045.75280.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > I've been up all night recording, waiting for the > sunrise. I live near some ancient Indian mounds that > have a solar alignment phenomona similar to > Stonehenge > that I am going to go see at sunrise. and here I was thinking of golden arches & sunrise biscuits. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 05:30:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5L9TZC15264; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:32:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620115826.04079e38@loopers-delight.com> <070201c33727$f2ef09f0$cca44a43@g0wn7> <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2003 09:29:33.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FC72270:01C337D7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops sorry bout the double postIan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 06:08:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LA85619292; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:08:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:08:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c337dc$a169bca0$3e0d883e@i7w6a5> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <20030620061120.16505.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: loop america Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:05:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Calling all american loopers. Following a rather cool gig in wales with Rick Walker I've been asked to play in California in October this year at the loopfest. Anyway I was wondering if I could turn it into a sort of mini tour of the USA. Anyone prepared to fix me up with a gig around early to mid october? Any advice also gratefully recieved. Cheers chaps, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 07:06:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LB5Pu24526; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: essential loop recordings Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:09:15 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Seen: false X-ID: Vg-PYTZrZe6GkEVqqjU-+DAIOP+bS9+Ae7uQmvnJXfLuy8a8HyveZy@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the Loopers Delight 'essential loop recordings' page needs updates. It contains some essential recordings reviews, but many are still missing. The page hasn't changed for quite a while now. So we need your contributions - please write reviews, and send them to me - but please send in only reviews of recordings that are truly essential. What is essential? Kim writes, > they might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music where it hadn't been used before, or recordings/artists that influenced a lot of people to become interested in looping or expand their abilities as loopers, etc. ... for other reviews, Kim and I are thinking about setting up a new page fed by a form which can be used by everyone to type in reviews of their favorite bands, etc. = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 10:37:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LEabk13971; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:36:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:36:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: essential loop recordings Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:36:27 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000901c33802$7f5765b0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5LEaaB13942 Resent-Message-ID: <8Eh-UD.A.FaD.11G9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > > ... for other reviews, Kim and I are thinking about setting > up a new page fed by a form which can be used by everyone to > type in reviews of their favorite bands, etc. Now THAT's a cool idea! I'm hanging a lot at harmony-center's user reviews and I imagine this would be a bit like that, but about recordings and live gigs by loopists. Right? Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 10:52:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LEpSf15697; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:51:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:51:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030621145121.11511.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Check out Kristen Miller, looping cellist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030620000835.1079.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just heard Kristen Miller's CD 'Later That Day', and am recommending it highly! I'm not sure what she loops with.... Here's her web site: -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 13:30:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LHThH02467; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:29:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:29:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Summer Solstice Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:21:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c33819$86763ee0$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030621082045.75280.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.154.112.139] at Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:29:36 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <3jdLu.A.bm.HYJ9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm getting together with at least one other looper and we're going to throw music at each other. Good morning world! *funny handshake* Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Blankenship [mailto:electricgypsys@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:21 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Summer Solstice > > > I've been up all night recording, waiting for the > sunrise. I live near some ancient Indian mounds that > have a solar alignment phenomona similar to Stonehenge > that I am going to go see at sunrise. > > All the very best! > Terry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 14:28:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LIRVh07086; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:27:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:27:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ESL555@aol.com Message-ID: <24.40e2763a.2c25fd8c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:27:24 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_24.40e2763a.2c25fd8c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_24.40e2763a.2c25fd8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use the Headrush in a church setting. In many churches today they do what's called harp and bowl music ( ie guitar , bass, drums and keyboards, provide a free flowing background for prayer and worship). For instance last week we played C#m9 1bar Bsus 1bar and A2 2 bars in a loop with lead guitar over the top. I could lean over to the bass player and give another set of changes to make things more interesting as well and throw down a new loop. Believe it or not this gets a lot of people stirred up to pray. Of course this is played at a moderate volume where people can hear themselves. Anyone can come up who wants to sing or pray. It's definately more of an open mic vibe in a church setting. Like the old coffeehouses in the 60's. Makes church a fun thing for me especially now with the Headrush. I'm sure this will stir up some conversation! --part1_24.40e2763a.2c25fd8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use the Headrush in a church setting. In many churc= hes today they do what's called harp and bowl music ( ie guitar , bass, drum= s and keyboards, provide a free flowing background for prayer and worship).=20= For instance last week we played C#m9 1bar Bsus 1bar and A2  2 bars in=20= a loop with lead guitar over the top. I could lean over to the bass player a= nd give another set of changes to make things more interesting as well = and throw down a new loop. Believe it or not this gets a lot of people stir= red up to pray. Of course this is played at a moderate volume where people c= an hear themselves. Anyone can come up who wants to sing or pray. It's defin= ately more of an open mic vibe in a church setting. Like the old coffeehouse= s in the 60's. Makes church a fun thing for me especially now with the Headr= ush.  I'm sure this will stir up some conversation! --part1_24.40e2763a.2c25fd8c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 15:11:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LJ9oo10916; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:09:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:09:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c33828$ae2ae580$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030620061120.16505.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c337dc$a169bca0$3e0d883e@i7w6a5> Subject: Re: loop america Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:08:52 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:05:AM Subject: Re: loop america > Calling all american loopers. > Following a rather cool gig in wales with Rick Walker I've been asked to > play in California in October this year at the loopfest. Anyway I was > wondering if I could turn it into a sort of mini tour of the USA. > Anyone prepared to fix me up with a gig around early to mid october? > Any advice also gratefully recieved. Congrats. I'm American but alas, Over Here. :P Nonetheless I'm sure you'll get some help here. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 16:04:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LK3Jw14577; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c33830$ba5dc900$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents SYLKEN with Redjet Media visuals Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:07:23 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com * Eric will be using a Repeater, Steven a DL4 & Wally, a Boomerang. THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday June 24th - SYLKEN with Redjet Media visuals Sylken invite you to their first performance of 2003 with Eric Hopper and guest artist Steven Sauvé of karmafarm. Ambient trumpeter extrordinaire Wally Jericho will join Eric and Steven for the 2nd set, to bring you the unique experience of Sylken's fluidic textures, dreamy atmospheres and rhythmic nuances. Redjet Media will provide the digital lightscapes for the show. This evening will also feature the official release of Sylken's second CD, titled "PiNG" ( available at ping things and online at CD Baby - http://www.cdbaby.com/sylken ), a dynamic and flowing CD of dramatic live performances from THE AMBiENT PiNG, featuring all three artists. Sylken - http://www.sylken.ca karmafarm - http://www.karmafarm.ca Wally Jericho - http://www.wallyjericho.com Between Sets CD - "Humidity" disc 3 by Robert Rich (Hypnos) Ambient pioneer Robert Rich is touring the American Northeast again. Here's a taste of the Rich live experience as we spin part of "Humidity", his epic 3 CD live collection of 1998 performances. Disc 3 opens with some of the beautiful steel guitar work that many of you will remember from Robert's Toronto show last year. http://www.robertrich.com/index.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 1st - dreamSTATE with Jim Field and Redjet Media visuals dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamSTATE.to Jim Field - http://www.geocities.com/russian_rheas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "One" by TouchXtone I think that improvisation and spontaneity have always been at the heart of ambient music. As a result of it's free form nature, it's a genre that lends itself well to the idea of letting things happen naturally, going with the flow. "One" by TouchXtone is a prime example of the results of that spirit of improvisation. The collaborative project of Michael Thomas Roe and Jim Combs, TouchXtone is the result of a series of three two hour recording sessions where both recorded live to a two track CD recorder. And it's a testimony to the talents of both how seemless the recording is, how natural it sounds despite the lack of rehearsals or familiarity with each other. Presented as a longform piece divided up into six smaller movements, "One" has an elegance and sophistication about it that I find most refreshing, most appealling. Dancing along the periphery of different styles, TouchXtone creates a work of great depth and great emotion having been able to tap into something primal and shared between us all made all the more impressive by it's natural origins. "One" by TouchXtone is a beautiful example of the power of spontaneity and the inherent beauty of music in it's purest, most unadulterated form. Brilliant. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com - http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. To unsubscribe - reply with 'unsubcribe' in the e-mail body. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 16:33:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LKW1617104; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:32:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:32:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c33834$0f7cd540$b8615cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for June 21, 2003 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:30:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C33812.78E75860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C33812.78E75860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I = also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #25 June 21, 2003. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Saul Stokes Furioso Fields (Hypnos/Binary) Robert Rich Animus Propagation (Hearts of = Space) Arttek Tangerine Sea Plug In (none) Synthetic Block Doused Sonic Approach = (Hypnos/Binary) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Lesiem Agnus Dei Illumination = (Intentciry) Lesiem Pater Patriae Illumination = (Intentciry) Jean Michel Jarre January 24 Sessions 2000 (Dreyfus) Karda Estra Cassiopeia Constellations = (Cyclops) Robert Gass Rememberance Awakening (Spring Hill) Lisa Lynne Bamboo Morning Hopes & Dreams (New = Earth) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D VA [Steve Howe and Turn of the Century Tales from Yesterday = (Magna Annie Haslam] Carta) ACT Mr. Landlord Last Epic (NEH) Klaatu Sub-Rosa Subway Klaatu (Capitol) Solaris If the Fog Ascends The Martian Chronicles = (Gong) Steve Hackett Los Endos Watcher of the Skies (Guardian) Steve Hackett Watcher of the Skies The Tokyo Tapes = (Original Masters) * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on July 5. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever = strikes my fancy. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at = http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C33812.78E75860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who=20 plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an = eclectic mix=20 of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH=20 Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you = love or=20 hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from = 8:00 am=20 to 9:30 am.
            =    =20     Show #25       =20             June 21,=20 2003.
Phase I/Space:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Saul=20 Stokes           &= nbsp;=20 Furioso           =       =20 Fields (Hypnos/Binary)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Animus           &= nbsp;      =20 Propagation (Hearts of=20 Space)
Arttek         &nb= sp;       =20 Tangerine = Sea           =20 Plug In (none)
Synthetic=20 Block        =20 Doused           &= nbsp;      =20 Sonic Approach (Hypnos/Binary)
 
Phase II/Eclectic:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Lesiem        =          =20 Agnus=20 Dei           &nbs= p;   =20 Illumination=20 (Intentciry)
Lesiem        &nb= sp;        =20 Pater = Patriae           = =20 Illumination (Intentciry)
Jean Michel=20 Jarre       January=20 24            = ;  =20 Sessions 2000 (Dreyfus)
Karda=20 Estra           &n= bsp;=20 Cassiopeia          &nb= sp;   =20 Constellations (Cyclops)
Robert=20 Gass           &nb= sp;=20 Rememberance          &= nbsp; =20 Awakening (Spring Hill)
Lisa=20 Lynne           &n= bsp; =20 Bamboo = Morning           = Hopes=20 & Dreams (New Earth)
 
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
VA [Steve Howe=20 and      Turn of the=20 Century      Tales from Yesterday = (Magna
 =20 Annie=20 Haslam]           =             &= nbsp;           =20 Carta)
ACT          =           =20 Mr.=20 Landlord           = ; =20 Last Epic=20 (NEH)
Klaatu         &nbs= p;       =20 Sub-Rosa Subway          = Klaatu=20 (Capitol)
Solaris         = ;       =20 If the Fog Ascends       The Martian = Chronicles=20 (Gong)
Steve=20 Hackett           Los=20 Endos           &n= bsp;   =20 Watcher of the=20 Skies
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;  =20 (Guardian)
Steve=20 Hackett           = Watcher of=20 the Skies     The Tokyo Tapes=20 (Original
          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 Masters)
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on July 5.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00).
Phase = 1:=20 Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the=20 Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or = whatever strikes my fancy.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past = masters to=20 comtemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and=20 click the REAL AUDIO link.
 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C33812.78E75860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 16:54:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LKrl219102; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:53:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:53:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:53:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Summer Solstice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000401c33819$86763ee0$6401a8c0@ws42554> Message-Id: <6F72CBAC-A42A-11D7-80E0-000393BFB4B4@oasis-open.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_VvSHB.A.VqE.aXM9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Summer Solstice 2003 has been brought to you the Council for Sonic Decadence. Jeff 'Ya know...with Loops!!!" On Saturday, Jun 21, 2003, at 13:21 US/Eastern, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > I'm getting together with at least one other looper and we're going to > throw > music at each other. > > Good morning world! *funny handshake* > > Mike > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Terry Blankenship [mailto:electricgypsys@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:21 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Summer Solstice >> >> >> I've been up all night recording, waiting for the >> sunrise. I live near some ancient Indian mounds that >> have a solar alignment phenomona similar to Stonehenge >> that I am going to go see at sunrise. >> >> All the very best! >> Terry > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 19:18:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LNHLJ29232; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:17:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:17:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Reaktor 4 as a guitar processor Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:17:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06/21/2003 07:17:27 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3akXl.A.oIH.BeO9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's the text of a review I just posted at Harmony Central; I'd mentioned I was impressed and some folks wanted to hear more...so here it is: Ease of use 5 I'm currently using Reaktor as real-time guitar processor, and it's totally blowing my mind. So this is a head's-up to anyone else who might consider using a computer as a guitar toy... Reaktor is software for building your own soft-synthesizers, samplers, and effects, and it's very deep...plus it's software, so there's all the computer crap to deal with; Reaktor certainly isn't bug-free. There's a brand-new version out and the forums are filled with screaming folks who can't get it going...but it's working well for me. The art of building from scratch with Reaktor is a vast topic, but there are many levels, and the just-barely-snorkling level I'm at is still extremely powerful. I'm just working with devices already available, either within the package, or from the huge and very active user library, where there are currently over a 1000 devices available to download, including several hundred effects processors. Linking these together, adding simple stuff like input-level controls, creating MIDI controller assignments, and swiping the effects from synths that have cool things inside them is all pretty elementary, but you'll need to read the manual and maybe do a few simple tutorials. There's an excellent Wizoo Guide by Len Sasso, who's also written several articles...as have the folks at creativesynth.com...so there are quite a few resources. But compared to a stomp-box, this really is rocket science...so I'm giving it a 5. Sounds 10 I use Reaktor in stand-alone mode (not inside a separate sequencer) in my home studio, on a dual 1gig G4 with an M-Audio Audiophile card with 2 i/o's that are patched into a Mackie 1604 vzl Mixer, so i can easily send anything into Reaktor, and process it when it comes out with hardware effects; there's a bunch of reverbs and other basics in Reaktor, but seems best to use hardware for that kind of thing. Once you get the levels set, it sounds wonderful...altho lots of Reaktor toys are about degrading audio and creating ugly noises. But you can do that at sampling rates well beyond (or below) 44k. The thing that's coolest about Reaktor isn't that it does any particular thing very well, but that it gives you the tools to do stuff that's not like anything you've ever seen before...along with all the ordinary stuff, too. And while you're figuring out how to do that, you can explore the hundreds of amazing things that other folks have built. I'm a bit of a gear slut, and until I got the current version of Reaktor, I was a sucker for all kinds of rack processors and was getting a pretty serious jones for fx plugins. (Until ver. 4, I was never able to process live audio; it was partly a Mac thing, partly my system, but I wasn't really aware of how cool it would be so I didn't push getting that going...what a waste!) Well, now I can't see the point in any new effects plugins, altho I read about everything, and I've seen the light as far as hardware goes. Not that I'm dumping the best of my excellent collection anytime soon....but the future is here, and it's SOFT! OK, what's so cool? I'm into delay effects, so most of these examples are delay based: A 12-band filter, with a 2-sec. delay on each band, each with dedicated level, time and feedback controls...all of which can be randomized with a single button press. For my default setting, I created a 12-tap sound that grabs sequential bands at 50ms intervals for an amazing sweeping-up-the-frequency-spectrum effect, but the rhythmic possiblities are astounding. An audio chopper with a graphic grid-table sequencer on which you draw in the timing with bars--the bar height determines how loud--expandable to 64 divisions and the speed is controllable as a factor of BPM. There's an ADSR envelop for shaping how the the audio comes thru at each gate, plus the sequencer can also drive a ring modulator and/or an FM effect. All this goes into a filter, a delay, and an overdrive. A rack of 7 effects that you access with a 16x8 grid of buttons; one row for each effect plus the dry sound, and one column for each of 16 divisions of the current tempo: a clicked button sends signal to one effect for 1/16th of the beat. Click a whole row and the sound of its effect is continuous, otherwise, it's gated. The effects include a filter with about 8 different types, including a vowel filter and a complex LFO, a separate autoWah, ring modulation, delay, several types of distortion and bit-degrading, and the kicker: a grain-delay that includes excellent pitch shifting, with a pitch sequencer, so you can create (and randomize) melodic shifts as well as straight-ahead intervals. Each effect plus the grid has its own bank of presets, plus you can store presets that recall the total configuration...and each effect has a graphic panel of controls: level meters, sliders, knobs, etc...not just a list of parameters. A bank of 4 parallel 10-sec delays with cross-feedback, feeding a stereo mod delay optomized for comb filtering and flanging, with various odd filters and two waveshapers for which you can draw the waveform, feeding a filtered reverb. This last example comes from the CD with the Wizoo book, so you have to buy it separately, but the others are from the user library. These are just the ones I can easily describe; there are many others I've explored in the 2 weeks or so I've had ver. 4 that defy my powers. There's nothing I've seen so far that will track your pitch so you could drive a synth with your guitar (of course you could use a MIDI pickup...), but there are so many ways to turn a guitar signal into detailed vibrating, choppy, shifting, growling howls that it's nearly guitar synthesis. You can see the screen shots of these and many of the other effects possibilities at the Native Instruments sites, both within the feature brochure for Reaktor 4 and inside the user library...and new stuff gets posted every day. And that's the point: This isn't just a collection of stompboxes or effects modules; it a true tool kit that smart and crazy DSP geeks spend years with, cranking out and GIVING AWAY whacked and inspiring complete instruments and virtual devices, all with unique and often amazing interfaces, often every bit the equals of individual commercial plugins, or better. If you've ever wanted to stand near the fountainhead of signal-processing innovation, here's your chance. Reliability 7 ...well, it's software; read the NI forums to hear how many folks are currently pissed off about it...but as I said, it's working for me. Best to have a fairly new computer, and to use it in a studio. But lap-top-driven gigs are here; it's inevitable. Customer service 7 Great, helpful forums...but NI is apparently slow to respond to tech questions, esp. when new software has been recently released. Not the worst, not the best...but it's worth it, imho. Overall 10 I don't gig, so a computer-based processor is no problem for me. I'm a guitar-player into free-improv with looping devices (Echoplex Digital pro), and I'm totally into effects. Ever since the Roland VG-8 changed everything for me, I've been buying, exploring, reviewing, and programming effects, even occasionally doing patch sets for manufacturers, including the tc G-Force, and the Yamaha DG- and UD-Stomps. My current collection of signal processors includes an Eventide Eclipse and a Kurzweil KSP8, both of which are great, and can do great things to reaktor sounds...but Reaktor is making them look like doddering old-timers, in almost every way: accessibility, innovation, configurability, and raw power. I've also briefly owned what I thought would be the ultimate DSP play-ground: a Kyma system from Symbolic Sound. It was great, too, very stable, cool sounds, with unmatched tech support. But, given my totally non-technical background, and Reaktor's exceptional user's community and state-of-the-art GUI, it was no contest; I sold the Kyma and have found in R4 everything I'd dreamed Kyma would do for me...at 1/10th the cost. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 19:29:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5LNOrm29825; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:24:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:24:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c3384b$f9505540$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as a guitar processor Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:22:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very cool. good review. thanks david c! peace jg ps - thanks again for the eps sounds! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Reaktor 4 as a guitar processor > > Here's the text of a review I just posted at Harmony Central; I'd mentioned > I was impressed and some folks wanted to hear more...so here it is: > > Ease of use 5 > I'm currently using Reaktor as real-time guitar processor, and it's totally > blowing my mind. So this is a head's-up to anyone else who might consider > using a computer as a guitar toy... > Reaktor is software for building your own soft-synthesizers, samplers, and > effects, and it's very deep...plus it's software, so there's all the > computer crap to deal with; Reaktor certainly isn't bug-free. There's a > brand-new version out and the forums are filled with screaming folks who > can't get it going...but it's working well for me. > The art of building from scratch with Reaktor is a vast topic, but there > are many levels, and the just-barely-snorkling level I'm at is still > extremely powerful. I'm just working with devices already available, either > within the package, or from the huge and very active user library, where > there are currently over a 1000 devices available to download, including > several hundred effects processors. Linking these together, adding simple > stuff like input-level controls, creating MIDI controller assignments, and > swiping the effects from synths that have cool things inside them is all > pretty elementary, but you'll need to read the manual and maybe do a few > simple tutorials. There's an excellent Wizoo Guide by Len Sasso, who's also > written several articles...as have the folks at creativesynth.com...so > there are quite a few resources. But compared to a stomp-box, this really > is rocket science...so I'm giving it a 5. > > Sounds 10 > I use Reaktor in stand-alone mode (not inside a separate sequencer) in my > home studio, on a dual 1gig G4 with an M-Audio Audiophile card with 2 i/o's > that are patched into a Mackie 1604 vzl Mixer, so i can easily send > anything into Reaktor, and process it when it comes out with hardware > effects; there's a bunch of reverbs and other basics in Reaktor, but seems > best to use hardware for that kind of thing. Once you get the levels set, > it sounds wonderful...altho lots of Reaktor toys are about degrading audio > and creating ugly noises. But you can do that at sampling rates well beyond > (or below) 44k. > The thing that's coolest about Reaktor isn't that it does any particular > thing very well, but that it gives you the tools to do stuff that's not > like anything you've ever seen before...along with all the ordinary stuff, > too. And while you're figuring out how to do that, you can explore the > hundreds of amazing things that other folks have built. I'm a bit of a gear > slut, and until I got the current version of Reaktor, I was a sucker for > all kinds of rack processors and was getting a pretty serious jones for fx > plugins. (Until ver. 4, I was never able to process live audio; it was > partly a Mac thing, partly my system, but I wasn't really aware of how cool > it would be so I didn't push getting that going...what a waste!) Well, now > I can't see the point in any new effects plugins, altho I read about > everything, and I've seen the light as far as hardware goes. Not that I'm > dumping the best of my excellent collection anytime soon....but the future > is here, and it's SOFT! > > OK, what's so cool? I'm into delay effects, so most of these examples are > delay based: > > A 12-band filter, with a 2-sec. delay on each band, each with dedicated > level, time and feedback controls...all of which can be randomized with a > single button press. For my default setting, I created a 12-tap sound that > grabs sequential bands at 50ms intervals for an amazing > sweeping-up-the-frequency-spectrum effect, but the rhythmic possiblities > are astounding. > > An audio chopper with a graphic grid-table sequencer on which you draw in > the timing with bars--the bar height determines how loud--expandable to 64 > divisions and the speed is controllable as a factor of BPM. There's an ADSR > envelop for shaping how the the audio comes thru at each gate, plus the > sequencer can also drive a ring modulator and/or an FM effect. All this > goes into a filter, a delay, and an overdrive. > > A rack of 7 effects that you access with a 16x8 grid of buttons; one row > for each effect plus the dry sound, and one column for each of 16 divisions > of the current tempo: a clicked button sends signal to one effect for > 1/16th of the beat. Click a whole row and the sound of its effect is > continuous, otherwise, it's gated. The effects include a filter with about > 8 different types, including a vowel filter and a complex LFO, a separate > autoWah, ring modulation, delay, several types of distortion and > bit-degrading, and the kicker: a grain-delay that includes excellent pitch > shifting, with a pitch sequencer, so you can create (and randomize) melodic > shifts as well as straight-ahead intervals. Each effect plus the grid has > its own bank of presets, plus you can store presets that recall the total > configuration...and each effect has a graphic panel of controls: level > meters, sliders, knobs, etc...not just a list of parameters. > > A bank of 4 parallel 10-sec delays with cross-feedback, feeding a stereo > mod delay optomized for comb filtering and flanging, with various odd > filters and two waveshapers for which you can draw the waveform, feeding a > filtered reverb. > > This last example comes from the CD with the Wizoo book, so you have to buy > it separately, but the others are from the user library. These are just the > ones I can easily describe; there are many others I've explored in the 2 > weeks or so I've had ver. 4 that defy my powers. There's nothing I've seen > so far that will track your pitch so you could drive a synth with your > guitar (of course you could use a MIDI pickup...), but there are so many > ways to turn a guitar signal into detailed vibrating, choppy, shifting, > growling howls that it's nearly guitar synthesis. > > You can see the screen shots of these and many of the other effects > possibilities at the Native Instruments sites, both within the feature > brochure for Reaktor 4 and inside the user library...and new stuff gets > posted every day. And that's the point: This isn't just a collection of > stompboxes or effects modules; it a true tool kit that smart and crazy DSP > geeks spend years with, cranking out and GIVING AWAY whacked and inspiring > complete instruments and virtual devices, all with unique and often amazing > interfaces, often every bit the equals of individual commercial plugins, or > better. If you've ever wanted to stand near the fountainhead of > signal-processing innovation, here's your chance. > > Reliability 7 > ...well, it's software; read the NI forums to hear how many folks are > currently pissed off about it...but as I said, it's working for me. Best to > have a fairly new computer, and to use it in a studio. But lap-top-driven > gigs are here; it's inevitable. > Customer service 7 > Great, helpful forums...but NI is apparently slow to respond to tech > questions, esp. when new software has been recently released. Not the > worst, not the best...but it's worth it, imho. > > Overall 10 > I don't gig, so a computer-based processor is no problem for me. I'm a > guitar-player into free-improv with looping devices (Echoplex Digital pro), > and I'm totally into effects. Ever since the Roland VG-8 changed everything > for me, I've been buying, exploring, reviewing, and programming effects, > even occasionally doing patch sets for manufacturers, including the tc > G-Force, and the Yamaha DG- and UD-Stomps. My current collection of signal > processors includes an Eventide Eclipse and a Kurzweil KSP8, both of which > are great, and can do great things to reaktor sounds...but Reaktor is > making them look like doddering old-timers, in almost every way: > accessibility, innovation, configurability, and raw power. I've also > briefly owned what I thought would be the ultimate DSP play-ground: a Kyma > system from Symbolic Sound. It was great, too, very stable, cool sounds, > with unmatched tech support. But, given my totally non-technical > background, and Reaktor's exceptional user's community and state-of-the-art > GUI, it was no contest; I sold the Kyma and have found in R4 everything I'd > dreamed Kyma would do for me...at 1/10th the cost. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 21:36:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5M1a9q05397; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:36:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:36:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:36:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Echoplex foot controller sharing? From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has any one used an A/B box to allow one Echoplex foot controller to control two EDP independently? I know Dennis Leas built his own controller with a built-in A/B (http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200110/msg00544.html), but I'm looking for a commercially available A/B box to allow the same thing. Kim said that a passive box would work, but I'm looking for someone who's actually done this and can provide specific model info or suggestions. The archive appears to run pretty dry after this. So far I've tried a Rapco AB-100, which is a passive ABY (each channel has its own on/off switch), but when I switch A or B off, it resets the loop, as if I'd done a long-hold Record push. I also tried a Whirlwind Selector, but neither EDP would recognize anything from that box (which does have some sort of optical switching circuitry, and requires power to work, so I'm suspecting it's less-than passive). I don't want to use MIDI for this purpose, and again, I'm not using them for stereo pairing, so I want total independent control of each box, one at a time. Thanks, TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 21 21:42:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5M1fj705853; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:41:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:41:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030622014139.94414.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echoplex foot controller sharing? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might try a Morley; it's passive,the battery is just for the LEDs... -t- --- Travis wrote: > Has any one used an A/B box to allow one Echoplex > foot controller to > control two EDP independently? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 03:59:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5M7vtp29846; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c33893$f9d464a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20030622014139.94414.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex foot controller sharing? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:57:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Morley ABY box has worked for me to do this very thing. I'm not using it for that right now. I finally did the "Dennis Leas" mod to my EFC-7, but am using a DPDT toggle switch (which I throw with my toe) to change between EDPs. Works great! (Thanks Dennis!) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex foot controller sharing? > You might try a Morley; it's passive,the battery is > just for the LEDs... > > -t- > > --- Travis wrote: > > Has any one used an A/B box to allow one Echoplex > > foot controller to > > control two EDP independently? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 05:37:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5M9aow09802; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:36:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:36:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <43.1e9c1b30.2c26d2a5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:36:37 EDT Subject: EDP loopwindow feature To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP trick To prevent loopwindowing going back too far, send Reverse then Forward . ..could program both commands simultaneously from MIDI, and wouldn't hear the reverse then loopwindow can't go back to the loop history before you did the rev. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 06:52:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5MApfJ16946; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:51:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:51:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030622105140.90210.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Mixing quantized and unquantized functions in the same loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43.1e9c1b30.2c26d2a5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would it work if you used some quantized functions and some non quantitized funtions in the same loop? You'd be switching between quantized and non quantized presets during the same loop. Like using a non quantized sus insert function and all other quantized functions. Or say use an unquantized sus ur multiply and a quantized multiply in the same loop? Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 08:26:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5MCPKw27732; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:25:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:25:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301c338b9$4c61f820$6ee35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030620115826.04079e38@loopers-delight.com> <001301c33772$22edb8f0$520cfc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:24:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" > I find it easier to hit time sensitive buttons when I am standing. If the > music is groovy then I am bouncing along with it, and the button presses are > just an extension of that bounce. Exactly! Here's my take: If you start moving your foot to press a pedal's button on a beat, you're already too late. If your foot is in motion before the beat and you're aiming to hit the floor beneath the pedal when the beat arrives, your button press will be much more accurate. The drummer must have excellent monitoring of the looping device(s) and be willing to follow it's tempo instead of lead. (The drummer's fills are still required to lead the band through a song's changes. But that's not a tempo issue.) Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 11:07:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5MF6LK13719; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:06:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:06:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c338d0$3a2a2760$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <11c.238d1bbb.2c23ec58@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030620115826.04079e38@loopers-delight.com> <001301c33772$22edb8f0$520cfc0c@amd> <00f301c338b9$4c61f820$6ee35cd1@billfox> Subject: Drummers & Sych. Tempo w/loop -- WAS Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:09:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.160.39.80] at Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:06:15 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <7w0Ag.A.HWD.tXc9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill you're point about "being in motion" and grrrrroooving helping to make accurately timed button presses is spot on. With regard to drummers and fills I'd say actually, 99% of the drummers I know have had to work very to: 1) ensure their fills don't get ahead of the beat -- seems fills can be somewhat destabilizing for a myriad of reasons; and 2) just stop "filling" in the "change-space" so other players can make a move. Of course there are devices now you can get equipment with "beat detecting" features to synch the midi up with the drummer which I'm guessing is a more socially desirable was to go. :-) I'm not certain, but I think the Electrix Repeater has this feature. Has anyone on this list used "beat detection" on the Repeater and can let us know how well it works?? Thanks David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" > > I find it easier to hit time sensitive buttons when I am standing. If the > > music is groovy then I am bouncing along with it, and the button presses are > > just an extension of that bounce. > > Exactly! Here's my take: If you start moving your foot to press a pedal's > button on a beat, you're already too late. If your foot is in motion before the > beat and you're aiming to hit the floor beneath the pedal when the beat arrives, > your button press will be much more accurate. The drummer must have excellent > monitoring of the looping device(s) and be willing to follow it's tempo instead > of lead. (The drummer's fills are still required to lead the band through a > song's changes. But that's not a tempo issue.) > > Cheers, > > Bill > ============================================================================ === > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 > Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] > Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. > Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. > http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow > Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO > Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 > SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 11:13:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5MFD4114695; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:12:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Letter of Introduction From: Jeffrey Lomas To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To the Loopers in Colorado: The Council for Sonic Decadence commends unto you, Michael LaMeyer. Welcome him to your number with all due courtesy. As a founding member of the C4SD, he has been instrumental in bringing together New England- based loopers to share ideas and perform together. As an instrumentalist/ composer I have found him both intriguing and inspiring with a superb grasp of the technical aspects of the art we create. In the studio, I have found his eagerness and openness to bring joy to the collaborative experience. For those of us here in Boston, we will miss the regular interactions; but wish him god's speed in all he pursues. As always, life has a way of creating its own memories. For those of you in Colorado...Now its your turn! Take care of him for us and, by all means, make him welcome. Warm Regards, Jeff Lomas The Council for Sonic Decadence From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 11:40:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5MFe3118655; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:40:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:40:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:38:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction From: "Doug Masla" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <21Lw5B.A.WjE.T3c9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Lomas The Council for Sonic Decadence Jeff as a recent transplant from Los Angeles to Ma.(NorthHampton aria),I have been invinles with loop oriented music for more years than I want to admit to...firm Your post I noticed you are in Boston,I am looking for others to get together rith and play,perform Loop/Ambeint and Beat toreintd experinental music. I Ulilize the gigital echoplex (awaiting loopIV upgrade)varias synths and infinite sustain Guitar. I also will on occasion drag out my KYMA for realtime signalporossessing of myself and others I perform with. Best Doug Masla aka BurstMode From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 13:05:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5MH4dS30110; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:04:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:04:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:04:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Drummers & Sych. Tempo w/loop -- WAS Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000801c338d0$3a2a2760$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <99ADC532-A4D3-11D7-9151-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I was beta testing Repeater's 1.1 OS I put the beat detection to it's test by feeding it the output from my drum machine which has a nice big variable slider to change tempo. The Repeater did a really good job matching the tempo output even on beats with some fairly high shuffle. As long as you don't change the tempo too fast it seems to chase it admirably. However, that was the last time I used this function. Why? I don't loop drum machine beats. The Repeater will only beat sync to what's going into it's inputs... so that means you're looping what it's synced to. I have had some tempo fun by letting it try and figure out the tempo of my guitar playing. Now that yielded some wacky results. Hope this helps. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 08:09 AM, David wrote: > Has anyone on this list used "beat detection" on the Repeater and can > let us > know how well it works?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 13:44:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5MHhdf02849; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:43:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:43:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030622115010.007a5210@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:50:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Drummers & Sych. Tempo w/loop -- WAS Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) In-Reply-To: <99ADC532-A4D3-11D7-9151-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <000801c338d0$3a2a2760$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Use it as a mono looper, and mute the channel with the drum machine. Cara At 10:04 AM 6/22/03 -0700, you wrote: >When I was beta testing Repeater's 1.1 OS I put the beat detection to >it's test by feeding it the output from my drum machine which has a >nice big variable slider to change tempo. The Repeater did a really >good job matching the tempo output even on beats with some fairly high >shuffle. As long as you don't change the tempo too fast it seems to >chase it admirably. > >However, that was the last time I used this function. Why? I don't >loop drum machine beats. The Repeater will only beat sync to what's >going into it's inputs... so that means you're looping what it's synced >to. I have had some tempo fun by letting it try and figure out the >tempo of my guitar playing. Now that yielded some wacky results. > >Hope this helps. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 08:09 AM, David wrote: > >> Has anyone on this list used "beat detection" on the Repeater and can >> let us >> know how well it works?? > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 13:47:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5MHlFf03482; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:47:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:47:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030622115346.00b6d8b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:53:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where might Michael perchance be relocating to, here? -Thanks for letting us know. Have a great day!... Smiles, Cara At 11:12 AM 6/22/03 -0400, you wrote: >To the Loopers in Colorado: > >The Council for Sonic Decadence commends unto you, Michael LaMeyer. >Welcome him to your number with all due courtesy. > >As a founding member of the C4SD, he has been instrumental in bringing >together New England- based loopers to share ideas and perform together. > >As an instrumentalist/ composer I have found him both intriguing and >inspiring with a superb grasp of the technical aspects of the art we >create. In the studio, I have found his eagerness and openness to >bring joy to the collaborative experience. > >For those of us here in Boston, we will miss the regular interactions; >but wish him god's speed in all he pursues. > >As always, life has a way of creating its own memories. For those of >you in Colorado...Now its your turn! Take care of him for us and, by >all means, make him welcome. > >Warm Regards, >Jeff Lomas >The Council for Sonic Decadence > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 20:06:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N056k22974; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:05:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:05:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623000503.50817.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620211330.02383420@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 02:23 PM 6/20/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >We may be able to appreciate music emitting from a sedentary body but, like > >it or not, MTV has taught the world that "real" music comes from people who > >are standing up with their guitars hanging down at their knees. Sit or > >stand, we've got to live with that. > > I thought MTV just taught us what qualities to look for in a roommate, what > to expect on spring break, and which model of car will get those ladies > with the really short pants to dance for you. Indeed. > I'm pretty sure people were standing up to play music and using guitars as > crotch extenders before MTV came along, but I was very young then. I've > seen pictures though. Perhaps, and people were sitting to play long before MTV too. Whatever happened to the days when you bought a record based on the music that was recorded on it, rather then what the performer looked like, or how they held their instrument, or the position of their body when they recorded it? > Last night I saw Estradospere open for Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. Wow that > was fun. Not much sitting though, despite the use of looping in a band > context. I learned from the Sleepytime drummer that if you really must sit > down to play your instrument, it is much better if you wear a big donkey > mask for the entire show. Some of us look that way even without the mask... Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 20:10:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N09kl24073; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:09:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:09:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623000945.75690.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:09:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030621050757.3494.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John Tidwell wrote: > --- Kim Flint wrote: > > I'm pretty sure people were standing up to play > > music and using guitars as > > crotch extenders before MTV came along, but I was > > very young then. I've seen pictures though. > > A timely comment as I've been enjoying the new Led > Zeppelin DVDs over the past few days. Was Page the > first guitar-slinger to wear it low or was he > suffering from hendrix-envy? I have it on good faith that the reason Page's strap appeared so long is that Jimmy is, in fact, only four feet tall. He bought the shortest strap he could find, but...well...you already noticed the results. The music industry just doesn't accomodate people that aren't within the bell curve for height. So, to get this closer to being on track for this list, didn't Page use Echoplexes quite a bit? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 21:14:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N1Do332605; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:13:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:13:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:13:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Echoplex foot controller sharing? From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the advice of Doug Cox, I tried using the Morley ABY, and it works fine ($50 at Guitar Center). Plus, in Y mode it allows you to record the same loop on both machines at the same time (in my setup the audio is always routed to both EDP). You can then go to A or B mode, where footpedal operations apply only to the selected EDP. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 21:20:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N1KIG01145; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:20:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:20:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c33925$97d68f20$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Echoplex foot controller sharing? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:19:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <408A0.A.vR.SXl9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glad it worked for you!! Awesome, huh? I love going to the "B" EDP, and mangling that side of a stereo loop, while leaving the "A" side alone. For future reference, if you get sick of the Morley ABY, and/or just want to free up some pedal board real estate, check into Dennis Leas' info on the EFC-7 mod. I'm absolutely NOT an electronics or metal working wiz, and I was able to do it with no problem. In the meantime, that ABY box will work fine. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis" To: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex foot controller sharing? > On the advice of Doug Cox, I tried using the Morley ABY, and it works > fine ($50 at Guitar Center). Plus, in Y mode it allows you to record > the same loop on both machines at the same time (in my setup the audio > is always routed to both EDP). You can then go to A or B mode, where > footpedal operations apply only to the selected EDP. > > TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 21:43:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N1gT504528; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:42:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:42:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c33928$b04e9180$7900a8c0@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: <20030623000945.75690.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Introduction and thoughts on human/machine tempo issues Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:42:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone! First, a brief introduction -- my name is gene, and I'm in Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth. I'm primarily a guitarist, though I fiddle with keys and mandolin as well. I've been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks, and have been quite impressed with both the signal-to-noise ratio and the quality of the discussion (you all seem to be a thoughtful, helpful bunch). My looping is still in a pretty embryonic phase -- I've played guitar and mandolin in a variety of (mostly rock, some bluegrass) groups over the years, and became drawn to loop-based music when I started spinning records a year or so ago. I had an RC-20 for a little while, till I discovered Ableton Live (is anyone else on this list working with Live?), the capabilities of which are worlds beyond the Boss pedal. My loops have been mostly guitar and percussion so far, but I've begun using Propellerheads Reason for synth sounds in conjunction with Live, and the results have been pretty good so far (Reason and Live go together like peanut butter and jelly). I'm doing all of this on a laptop with a 4-in-4-out+MIDI USB audio interface, so even though I end up a little cable-happy, it's still a managable gigging setup. I imagine if I'd been more into harware synths before getting into this, I might be reluctant to go this route, but so far, it's been great. If anyone's interested, I'd be happy to offer some more in-depth thoughts on Live. For now, I just wanted to add my $0.02 on the whole drummer-tempo-sync thread. First off, I've found playing with Live the best rhythm training exercise I've ever had. I've isolated a click in Live on the monitor channel, and until things get sufficiently going on a particular loop, I'll check in on the click every now and then to keep things in sync, and once something fairly rhythmic has been established, I'll more or less abandon the click. I definitely feel like my timekeeping has improved in the short time I've been playing this way. I had a bit of a coming out last night when sitting in with a friend's band at a party -- once the band had finished their set, I did a little looping for the late-night crowd, and it seemed to come off quite nicely. Intrigued, the drummer from the band crept behind his set and started playing along. At first, I could see some frustration on his part at having to sync to the machine's tempo, but he made an effort to listen, and it really came together. I decided against offering him my second set of headphones for a click, since he seemed to be doing fine without it, but this seems like a logical step. Any non-click-averse drummers reasonably close to Portland who happen to see this and feel like jamming, feel free drop me a line. OK, enough rambling. Nice to meet you all! cheers, gene From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 21:58:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N1vgQ06755; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:57:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <139.219a998e.2c27b886@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:57:26 EDT Subject: Akai Headrush- opinions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_139.219a998e.2c27b886_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_139.219a998e.2c27b886_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm considering buying a headrush unit, and I wondered what the general concensus was on it's strengths and weaknesses? Any info or opinions would be appreciated. Best, Tim --part1_139.219a998e.2c27b886_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm considering buying a headrush unit, and I wondered= what the general concensus was on it's strengths and weaknesses? Any info o= r opinions would be appreciated.

Best,

Tim --part1_139.219a998e.2c27b886_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 22:03:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N22bd07581; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:02:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:02:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: Echoplex foot controller sharing? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:03:34 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c3392b$a73437a0$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <001501c33893$f9d464a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > (Thanks Dennis!) (You're welcome!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 22:31:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N2UHS11228; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:30:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:30:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c3392f$0d223e60$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030623000945.75690.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c33928$b04e9180$7900a8c0@BARNEY> Subject: Re:and a quick farewell. - Introduction and thoughts on human/machine tempo issues Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:27:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my tempo has became somewhat 'sub-human' since i began looping 15 years ago. this type of truth creates a lot of 'problems' with other players who take tempo issue 'not very serious'. particularly drummers. it takes a certain kind of drummer to hang with a looper to start with. its kind of like the book, 'zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance by robert pirsig. his search for 'truth' in the face of a 'non-truth' searching society, caused him much grief no matter how true his truth was, there were very few there to match it. in other words, up to a point do i want to be right or be happy? ah... right? ive lightened up somewhat with my tempo expectations of others but i still have a 'bare-minimum tempo excellence' that must at least be in order. ive always credited the looping tools for making my sub-human tempo what it is today. thanks mike nelson at boomerang!! anywho... good topic. will be my last post for a while. im taking a bit of a roadtrip and will not be online for the next month and 1/2. best to all. will pop back in when i come back. will also have 2 loopers delight t-shirts waiting for me to boot. peace and love to all! loop on and WATCH THE TEMPO to others. you best beware... jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Ehrbar To: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: Introduction and thoughts on human/machine tempo issues > Hi everyone! > > First, a brief introduction -- my name is gene, and I'm in Portland, Oregon, > USA, Earth. I'm primarily a guitarist, though I fiddle with keys and > mandolin as well. I've been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks, and > have been quite impressed with both the signal-to-noise ratio and the > quality of the discussion (you all seem to be a thoughtful, helpful bunch). > > My looping is still in a pretty embryonic phase -- I've played guitar and > mandolin in a variety of (mostly rock, some bluegrass) groups over the > years, and became drawn to loop-based music when I started spinning records > a year or so ago. I had an RC-20 for a little while, till I discovered > Ableton Live (is anyone else on this list working with Live?), the > capabilities of which are worlds beyond the Boss pedal. My loops have been > mostly guitar and percussion so far, but I've begun using Propellerheads > Reason for synth sounds in conjunction with Live, and the results have been > pretty good so far (Reason and Live go together like peanut butter and > jelly). I'm doing all of this on a laptop with a 4-in-4-out+MIDI USB audio > interface, so even though I end up a little cable-happy, it's still > a managable gigging setup. I imagine if I'd been more into harware synths > before getting into this, I might be reluctant to go this route, but so far, > it's been great. > > If anyone's interested, I'd be happy to offer some more in-depth thoughts on > Live. For now, I just wanted to add my $0.02 on the whole > drummer-tempo-sync thread. First off, I've found playing with Live the best > rhythm training exercise I've ever had. I've isolated a click in Live on > the monitor > channel, and until things get sufficiently going on a particular loop, I'll > check in on the click every now and then to keep things in sync, and once > something fairly rhythmic has been established, I'll more or less abandon > the click. I definitely feel like my timekeeping has improved in the short > time I've been playing this way. > > I had a bit of a coming out last night when sitting in with a friend's band > at a party -- once the band had finished their set, I did a little looping > for the late-night crowd, and it seemed to come off quite nicely. > Intrigued, the drummer from the band crept behind his set and started > playing along. At first, I could see some frustration on his part at having > to sync to the machine's tempo, but he made an effort to listen, and it > really came together. I decided against offering him my second set of > headphones for a click, since he seemed to be doing fine without it, but > this seems like a logical step. Any non-click-averse drummers reasonably > close to Portland who happen to see this and feel like jamming, feel free > drop me a line. > > OK, enough rambling. Nice to meet you all! > > cheers, > gene > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 22 23:30:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N3Ttr19393; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:29:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:29:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623032953.44087.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:29:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Fabio Katz Reply-To: fabiokatz@yahoo.com Subject: FS: Oberheim Echoplex 198 sec To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopers, I am selling my Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro, memory maxed out to 198 seconds and upgraded firmware. If you're interested please email me directly at fabiokatz@yahoo.com Thanks, Fabio __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 00:09:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N48Ip24908; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:08:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:08:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c3393d$76dd2aa0$f111c797@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:11:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [151.199.17.241] at Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:08:11 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff - Doug - Allow me to introduce myself -- as well. I'm in Boston, and it would be fun to do a little three way looping with you guys - I have a space in the Fenway I can offer for the meeting. David UNDO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Masla" To: ; Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction > Jeff Lomas > The Council for Sonic Decadence > Jeff as a recent transplant from Los Angeles to Ma.(NorthHampton aria),I > have been invinles with loop oriented music for more years than I want to > admit to...firm Your post I noticed you are in Boston,I am looking for > others to get together rith and play,perform Loop/Ambeint and Beat toreintd > experinental music. > I Ulilize the gigital echoplex (awaiting loopIV upgrade)varias synths and > infinite sustain Guitar. > I also will on occasion drag out my KYMA for realtime signalporossessing of > myself and others I perform with. > Best > Doug Masla aka BurstMode > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 00:34:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N4Wpd28052; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:32:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:32:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ESL555@aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.c6238de.2c27dce2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:32:34 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Headrush- opinions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d0.c6238de.2c27dce2_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d0.c6238de.2c27dce2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the Headrush. The sound quality of the loops is very good. The loops can be about 12 seconds with more loops that can be added or about 24 sec of one loop. This is a limitation but for the money you can't beat it. The switches take time to get used to but work pretty well once you get used to them. I haven't used the tape delay or digital delay settings much but what I heard sounded good. Overall a very cool and fun unit. Great for laying down chord loops and jamming over them. I do wish it had more loop time so I could get a whole song looped but then were talking double the $. Hope that helps. Steve --part1_1d0.c6238de.2c27dce2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like the Headrush. The sound quality of the loops i= s very good. The loops can be about 12 seconds with more loops that can be a= dded or about 24 sec of one loop. This is a limitation but for the money you= can't beat it. The switches take time to get used to but work pretty well o= nce you get used to them. I haven't used the tape delay or digital delay set= tings much but what I heard sounded good. Overall a very cool and fun unit.=20= Great for laying down chord loops and jamming over them. I do wish it had mo= re loop time so I could get a whole song looped but then were talking double= the $. Hope that helps.
Steve --part1_1d0.c6238de.2c27dce2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 02:56:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N6rkl11547; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:53:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:53:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.3a82f229.2c27fdf0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:53:36 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex foot controller sharing? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 23/06/03 02:16:41 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > I'm looking for a commercially available A/B box to allow the same > thing. Kim said that a passive box would work, but I'm looking for > someone who's actually done this and can provide specific model info or > suggestions. The archive appears to run pretty dry after this. > > So far I've tried a Rapco AB-100, which is a passive ABY (each channel > has its own on/off switch), but when I switch A or B off, it resets the > loop, as if I'd done a long-hold Record push. ....because its connecting the EDP footcontroller I/P to earth. maybe you can open the box and snip the wires that do this ....also it won't work to switch A & B on together you need a single pole double throw latching switch (SPDT) these have 3 contacts, one of which is common and is connected to each of the other 2 in turn At the moment, it seems you have a box with 2 of these in, each switch is connecting the EDP either to the FC7, or to earth. so if you want to rewire your box so that one button switches between 2 EDPs , then using the switch of your choice 1) the contact which now connects to an EDP should connect to FC7 2) the contact which now connects to ground should connect to EDP 1 3) the contact which now connects to FC7 should connect to EDP 2 andy butler but this "Dennis Leas" modification sounds like the best option From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 04:39:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N8cKL23484; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623083819.21942.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 01:38:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Akai Headrush- opinions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <139.219a998e.2c27b886@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > I'm considering buying a headrush unit, and I > wondered what the general > concensus was on it's strengths and weaknesses? Any > info or opinions would be > appreciated. > > Best, > > Tim > http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/akai/headrush/Headrush.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 05:44:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N9cjn30702; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:38:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:38:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623093844.93113.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:38:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030623083819.21942.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the echoplex out going to the midi in of a drum machine right now. It syncs up and works fine but when I hit half speed the drum machine drops to half spped also. Is there any way to keep the tempo of the drum machine steady when you put the echoplex in half speed mode? All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 05:53:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5N9qDj32262; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:52:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:52:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623095207.95751.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030623093844.93113.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > I have the echoplex out going to the midi in of a > drum > machine right now. It syncs up and works fine but > when > I hit half speed the drum machine drops to half > spped > also. > > Is there any way to keep the tempo of the drum > machine > steady when you put the echoplex in half speed mode? The only way I can think of is to have a midi controller that can send multiple messages, one to put the EDP in half speed & the other to change the 8th/cycle parameter. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 07:25:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NBODN11121; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:24:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:24:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaH8UOldgUkKiXgsDI7NzkWsOFQuXVcng7Cn3fOpRFQpehO6+J7O5m5 Message-ID: <005701c33979$e68c8260$6501a8c0@ldroby> From: "LeonD" To: Subject: Should a Boomerang Do This? Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:23:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-cLQ4B.A.ptC.dNu9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering if some of the more experienced Boomerang users could verify the following. I recently received a brand new Boomerang. I have no problem recording the first loop. The problem is when I want to add to it using the stack footswitch. The new material is added to the original but the volume of the original loop is reduced considerably. It's reduced to the point of the original loop becoming background sounds and the new material is the primary. Does this sound right? Is there any way to keep the levels of the two loops the same? A second questions has to do with the input level switch. In the inst or mic position, it's very quite but the line setting has hiss. So much that it makes the line setting unusable. Is anyone else's like this? Thanks for the help, Leon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 07:26:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NBPtx11470; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:25:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:25:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030623132525.02cad4c0@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:26:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: BASSLOOP,the CD In-Reply-To: <200306212033.h5LKX2j17236@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3614567==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_3614567==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed High; Great list of contributors. To where do we send our contributions and in what format? Thanks; JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_3614567==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" High;

Great list of contributors. To where do we send our contributions and in what format?

Thanks;

JPW



----------------------------------------------------------------
Glass Thought Communications
"Records for people to listen to at home."
+46 708 940893
http://mp3.com/jairrohm
 --=====================_3614567==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 08:17:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NCG7R18539; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:16:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Echoplex w/drum machine question Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:15:51 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000001c33981$30b10da0$c91d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030623095207.95751.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5NCG6B18510 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- Terry Blankenship > wrote: > > I have the echoplex out going to the midi in of a > > drum > > machine right now. It syncs up and works fine but > > when > > I hit half speed the drum machine drops to half > > spped > > also. > > > > Is there any way to keep the tempo of the drum > > machine > > steady when you put the echoplex in half speed mode? > > Från: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] > The only way I can think of is to have a midi > controller that can send multiple messages, one to > put the EDP in half speed & the other to change the > 8th/cycle parameter. Correct - in theory ;-) In praxis you have to send a midi program change that will change the active program in the EDP for a program with an appropriate 8th/cycle setting. I tried it and it worked fine. One example foot pedal programming is: 1) HalfSpeed/PC with 16 8th/cycle 2) FullSpeed/PC with 8 8th/cycle Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 08:21:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NCLND19199; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019001c33981$eb4c0ca0$fa605cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <139.219a998e.2c27b886@aol.com> Subject: Re: Akai Headrush- opinions? Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:21:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8ezsnD.A.0rE.DDv9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > I'm considering buying a headrush unit, and I wondered what the general > concensus was on it's strengths and weaknesses? Any info or opinions would be > appreciated. Hi Tim, I only have the Headrush. One of my favourite tricks is to use it in its delay mode with lots of feedback to keep the first loop from dying out too fast. Sorta like a 23.x sec looper stuck in permanent overdub mode. Yet I drool for a Boss RC-20. For an extra $100 or so, it has 10 loops that can be saved thanks to battery power. Max sampling time is 5.5 minutes, too! Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 08:38:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NCbWd21288; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:37:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:37:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623123726.24742.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002301c3393d$76dd2aa0$f111c797@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do I sense the stirrings of an informal Boston Loopfest in the works? :-) -t- (an hour no'th o' ya) --- David wrote: > Jeff - Doug - > > Allow me to introduce myself -- as well. I'm in > Boston, and it would be fun > to do a little three way looping with you guys - I > have a space in the > Fenway I can offer for the meeting. > > David > UNDO __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 09:23:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NDMBc27298; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:22:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:22:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623132206.55495.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:22:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Akai Headrush- opinions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <019001c33981$eb4c0ca0$fa605cd1@billfox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Bill Fox wrote: > I only have the Headrush.... Yet I drool for a > Boss RC-20. Hi Bill and Tim, As with many budget-restricted loopers who've been at it a while, my setup includes several of these more 'entry-level' boxes; a Headrush, an RC-20, a Korg SDD-1000, a DFX94, and a DL-4 on occasions when my girlfriend's not using hers. (All together, they've cost more than an EDP, but they were purchased over a period of several years...) I pretty much do an inadvertant A/B comparison test every time I loop... Here's what I've found: *any* of the devices in this price range has both pros and cons, and by themselves, *none* of them are as versatile/flexible/capable as an EDP or a Repeater, particularly if MIDI is important to you. But when used in combination, there are a few things that you can't do with one unit. Headrush- Pro: excellent sampling rate/audio quality, user-friendly interface, ability to undo all but the first layer Con: limited loop time RC-20- Pro: extremely long loop time, reverse play feature Con: annoying interface (you have to hold the pedal for two full seconds to clear the previous loop; this can seem like an eternity) DL4- Pro: Reverse, half-speed, ability to use looping mode with onboard delay Con: Somewhat limited loop time If I were told I could use only one of the three, I'd probably have to go with the DL4. Ideally, though, it'd be nice to have a DL4 with the Headrush's layering feature and sound quality and the RC-20's loop time. (Throw in synch capability, and I've just pretty much described more basic features of the EDP!) I find these boxes useful in combination. When using them in series, I put them in ascending loop-time order; it can be cool to throw a short Headrush loop into the RC-20 as sort of a poor man's 'multiply' when you capture several go-rounds and can then overdub a longer line on top. I also like to use the DL4 after the Headrush to half-speed pitch-drop the Headrush's loop while the Headrush keeps playing it at the original speed. I do find them more useful in parallel, though; morphing the units with a mixer is fun. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 10:34:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NEXnd05143; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:33:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:33:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623143348.6915.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:33:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030623093844.93113.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1w7hl.A.PQB.N_w9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you guys so much! I'll try that tonight. Another question: Is there a way to hear an audible four beat count in on the drum machine, and then both the drum machine start playing and echoplex pro start recording at the same time? All the very best! Terry > > > Is there any way to keep the tempo of the drum > > > machine steady when you put the echoplex in half > > > speed mode? > > > > Från: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] > > The only way I can think of is to have a midi > > controller that can send multiple messages, one to > > put the EDP in half speed & the other to change > > the 8th/cycle parameter. > > Correct - in theory ;-) In praxis you have to send a > midi program change that will change the active > program in the EDP for a program with an appropriate > 8th/cycle setting. I tried it and it worked fine. > > One example foot pedal programming is: > 1) HalfSpeed/PC with 16 8th/cycle > 2) FullSpeed/PC with 8 8th/cycle > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 10:41:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NEea706232; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623144030.67682.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200306230114.h5N1Eur00439@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bartender, I want what HE had... <<>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 11:36:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NFYRA13226; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:34:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:34:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <149.14044cc6.2c2877fb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:34:19 EDT Subject: Re: Should a Boomerang Do This? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 6/23/03 4:32:03 AM, ld60@rcn.com writes: << The problem is when I want to add to it using the stack footswitch. The new material is added to the original but the volume of the original loop is reduced considerably. It's reduced to the point of the original loop becoming background sounds and the new material is the primary. Does this sound right? Is there any way to keep the levels of the two loops the same? >> My experience is with the older Boomerang. My impression was that the volume decline of the base track was about 25% to 30% so that it would take about 4 presses of the stack button to bury the original track. Are you amping into the Boomerang? You might try dropping your input volume and amp after the Boomerang. just a thought BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 11:53:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NFoxV15585; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:50:24 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030620210410.0339f5b8@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <046601c3399f$296d2d30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you forgot "welcome to the machine" >... > BOW DOWN BEFORE THE MACHINE. > ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 11:56:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NFsii16344; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:54:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:54:26 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Sitting, standing, etc. In-reply-to: <20030621014747.49193.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <046701c3399f$b9369050$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, a voice of reason. poor, boring trap set players, sitting down and boring everyone... > > It doesn't matter to me at all. I've performed sitting > down, standing up. lying down, and hanging upside down > from the rafters. It's the quality of the music you > are making that counts to me. > > All the very best! > Terry > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 12:00:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NFxWZ17137; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Letter of Introduction Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:50:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c3399f$39e3a770$650a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030622115346.00b6d8b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [204.164.62.238] at Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:59:25 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *blush* ah wow Jeff ... I'm moving (for now) just south of Denver, Littleton/Highlands Ranch area. > -----Original Message----- > From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 1:54 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction > > > Where might Michael perchance be relocating to, here? -Thanks for > letting us know. Have a great day!... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 11:12 AM 6/22/03 -0400, you wrote: > >To the Loopers in Colorado: > > > >The Council for Sonic Decadence commends unto you, Michael LaMeyer. > >Welcome him to your number with all due courtesy. > > > >As a founding member of the C4SD, he has been instrumental > in bringing > >together New England- based loopers to share ideas and > perform together. > > > >As an instrumentalist/ composer I have found him both intriguing and > >inspiring with a superb grasp of the technical aspects of the art we > >create. In the studio, I have found his eagerness and openness to > >bring joy to the collaborative experience. > > > >For those of us here in Boston, we will miss the regular > interactions; > >but wish him god's speed in all he pursues. > > > >As always, life has a way of creating its own memories. For > those of > >you in Colorado...Now its your turn! Take care of him for us and, by > >all means, make him welcome. > > > >Warm Regards, > >Jeff Lomas > >The Council for Sonic Decadence > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, > and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 12:03:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NG2HK17761; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:02:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Goldsmith \(mailing lists\)" To: Subject: RE: Letter of Introduction Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:09:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this the same Michael LaMeyer who deserted Santa Cruz for Providence? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Lomas [mailto:jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:13 AM > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Letter of Introduction > > > To the Loopers in Colorado: > > The Council for Sonic Decadence commends unto you, Michael LaMeyer. > Welcome him to your number with all due courtesy. > > As a founding member of the C4SD, he has been instrumental in bringing > together New England- based loopers to share ideas and perform together. > > As an instrumentalist/ composer I have found him both intriguing and > inspiring with a superb grasp of the technical aspects of the art we > create. In the studio, I have found his eagerness and openness to > bring joy to the collaborative experience. > > For those of us here in Boston, we will miss the regular interactions; > but wish him god's speed in all he pursues. > > As always, life has a way of creating its own memories. For those of > you in Colorado...Now its your turn! Take care of him for us and, by > all means, make him welcome. > > Warm Regards, > Jeff Lomas > The Council for Sonic Decadence > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 12:10:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NG7L318666; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Letter of Introduction Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:58:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c339a0$52ac4cc0$650a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [204.164.62.238] at Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:07:15 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <3SkpS.A.ijE.5Wy9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No! You mean there's another one??? Who's also a musician?? Freaky! I always wanted to go to Santa Cruz ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Goldsmith (mailing lists) [mailto:kevin-ml@unitcircle.com] > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Letter of Introduction > > > Is this the same Michael LaMeyer who deserted Santa Cruz for > Providence? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeffrey Lomas [mailto:jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org] > > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:13 AM > > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Letter of Introduction > > > > > > To the Loopers in Colorado: > > > > The Council for Sonic Decadence commends unto you, Michael > LaMeyer. > > Welcome him to your number with all due courtesy. > > > > As a founding member of the C4SD, he has been instrumental > in bringing > > together New England- based loopers to share ideas and > perform together. > > > > As an instrumentalist/ composer I have found him both > intriguing and > > inspiring with a superb grasp of the technical aspects of > the art we > > create. In the studio, I have found his eagerness and openness to > > bring joy to the collaborative experience. > > > > For those of us here in Boston, we will miss the regular > interactions; > > but wish him god's speed in all he pursues. > > > > As always, life has a way of creating its own memories. > For those of > > you in Colorado...Now its your turn! Take care of him for > us and, by > > all means, make him welcome. > > > > Warm Regards, > > Jeff Lomas > > The Council for Sonic Decadence > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 12:16:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NGF9L19760; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623161508.58466.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Drummers & Sych. Tempo w/loop -- WAS Re: Akai Heardush, (band looping, sit or stand, etc.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c338d0$3a2a2760$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David wrote: > Of course there are devices now you can get equipment with "beat detecting" > features to synch the midi up with the drummer which I'm guessing is a more > socially desirable was to go. :-) > > I'm not certain, but I think the Electrix Repeater has this feature. > > Has anyone on this list used "beat detection" on the Repeater and can let us > know how well it works?? It works great, but it'd be a lot more useful for the situation you're describing if it had a seperate "beat detect" input. It only detects the beat on the main inputs, so you can loop what's coming in. This is one of the places where the designer's bent toward marketing this thing at DJs fell down for the rest of us. It's a great feature that's rendered less useful because of the implementation. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 13:03:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NH1mA26989; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:01:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:01:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c339a8$cd6a71a0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <005701c33979$e68c8260$6501a8c0@ldroby> Subject: Re: Should a Boomerang Do This? Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:59:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check your trim knob for the hiss. there should be none if it is adjusted right. the boomerang plus has settings that goes from slapback to infinite feedback 100%. you should be able to program 5 or 6 variable fades. mike nelson is the maker of the rang http://www.boomerangmusic.com heres a few specs of the site New Features in the Version 2 software (inside every Boomerang Plus® Phrase Sampler): 2 independent loops, A and B 7 decay rates, including "no decay"-separately selectable for each loop 5 slow speeds-all musically related, down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave 12 sample rates, 24KHz down to 8KHz Stack button can be latching or momentary Record button can be active or disabled during playback im leaving town for a month and will be off line. if you have anymore questions shoot me a note today otherwise ill be back subscribed when i return. best to you jg ----- Original Message ----- From: LeonD To: Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 5:23 AM Subject: Should a Boomerang Do This? > I was wondering if some of the more experienced Boomerang users could verify > the following. > > I recently received a brand new Boomerang. I have no problem recording the > first loop. The problem is when I want to add to it using the stack > footswitch. The new material is added to the original but the volume of the > original loop is reduced considerably. It's reduced to the point of the > original loop becoming background sounds and the new material is the > primary. > > Does this sound right? Is there any way to keep the levels of the two loops > the same? > > A second questions has to do with the input level switch. In the inst or > mic position, it's very quite but the line setting has hiss. So much that > it makes the line setting unusable. Is anyone else's like this? > > Thanks for the help, > Leon > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 13:41:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NHdqE31580; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:39:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:39:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZiycrXWgcHQW8j9XVWWHucxcKcge5YzXH6LTirIbd7izq5b8ROOhpH Message-ID: <003a01c339ae$5e2854a0$6501a8c0@ldroby> From: "LeonD" To: References: <149.14044cc6.2c2877fb@aol.com> Subject: Re: Should a Boomerang Do This? Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:35:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0zT5RB.A.UtH.otz9-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would say with mine it's about 3 presses to bury the base track. I'd like to keep the base track as the main one and add little pieces to it. I can't do that if it gets buried. Thanks for the reply, LeonD > My experience is with the older Boomerang. My impression was that the volume > decline of the base track was about 25% to 30% so that it would take about 4 > presses of the stack button to bury the original track. > Are you amping into the Boomerang? You might try dropping your input volume > and amp after the Boomerang. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 13:57:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NHusR01831; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:56:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030623105411.02ba2008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:57:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question In-Reply-To: <20030623143348.6915.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030623093844.93113.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:33 AM 6/23/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: >Another question: >Is there a way to hear an audible four beat count in >on the drum machine, and then both the drum machine >start playing and echoplex pro start recording at the >same time? use the TempoSelect function. that allows the echoplex to send clock at a specific tempo before you record a loop. That way you can start the drum machine first, and then record later. With TempoSelect you can also start the drum sequencer simultaneously with starting to record, which might be more musically appropriate sometimes than having the drums start only after you have recorded your loop. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 14:51:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NIoWw12347; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:50:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:50:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <156.2002fd0d.2c28a5e2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:50:10 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Headrush- opinions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_156.2002fd0d.2c28a5e2_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_156.2002fd0d.2c28a5e2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the (useful) information. Appreciated. Tim In a message dated 6/23/03 6:24:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > --- Bill Fox wrote: > >I only have the Headrush.... Yet I drool for a > >Boss RC-20. > > Hi Bill and Tim, > > As with many budget-restricted loopers who've been at > it a while, my setup includes several of these more > 'entry-level' boxes; a Headrush, an RC-20, a Korg > SDD-1000, a DFX94, and a DL-4 on occasions when my > girlfriend's not using hers. (All together, they've > cost more than an EDP, but they were purchased over a > period of several years...) I pretty much do an > inadvertant A/B comparison test every time I loop... > > Here's what I've found: *any* of the devices in this > price range has both pros and cons, and by themselves, > *none* of them are as versatile/flexible/capable as an > EDP or a Repeater, particularly if MIDI is important > to you. But when used in combination, there are a few > things that you can't do with one unit. > > Headrush- > Pro: excellent sampling rate/audio quality, > user-friendly interface, ability to undo all but the > first layer > Con: limited loop time > > RC-20- > Pro: extremely long loop time, reverse play feature > Con: annoying interface (you have to hold the pedal > for two full seconds to clear the previous loop; this > can seem like an eternity) > > DL4- > Pro: Reverse, half-speed, ability to use looping mode > with onboard delay > Con: Somewhat limited loop time > > If I were told I could use only one of the three, I'd > probably have to go with the DL4. Ideally, though, > it'd be nice to have a DL4 with the Headrush's > layering feature and sound quality and the RC-20's > loop time. (Throw in synch capability, and I've just > pretty much described more basic features of the EDP!) > > I find these boxes useful in combination. When using > them in series, I put them in ascending loop-time > order; it can be cool to throw a short Headrush loop > into the RC-20 as sort of a poor man's 'multiply' when > you capture several go-rounds and can then overdub a > longer line on top. I also like to use the DL4 after > the Headrush to half-speed pitch-drop the Headrush's > loop while the Headrush keeps playing it at the > original speed. I do find them more useful in > parallel, though; morphing the units with a mixer is > fun. > > -t- > > > --part1_156.2002fd0d.2c28a5e2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the (useful) information. Appreciated.

Tim


In a message dated 6/23/03 6:24:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo= .com writes:

--- Bill Fox <billfox@fast.n= et> wrote:
>I only have the Headrush....  Yet I drool for a
>Boss RC-20.

Hi Bill and Tim,

As with many budget-restricted loopers who've been at
it a while, my setup includes several of these more
'entry-level' boxes; a Headrush, an RC-20, a Korg
SDD-1000, a DFX94, and a DL-4 on occasions when my
girlfriend's not using hers. (All together, they've
cost more than an EDP, but they were purchased over a
period of several years...) I pretty much do an
inadvertant A/B comparison test every time I loop...

Here's what I've found: *any* of the devices in this
price range has both pros and cons, and by themselves,
*none* of them are as versatile/flexible/capable as an
EDP or a Repeater, particularly if MIDI is important
to you. But when used in combination, there are a few
things that you can't do with one unit.

Headrush-
Pro: excellent sampling rate/audio quality,
user-friendly interface, ability to undo all but the
first layer
Con: limited loop time

RC-20-
Pro: extremely long loop time, reverse play feature
Con: annoying interface (you have to hold the pedal
for two full seconds to clear the previous loop; this
can seem like an eternity)

DL4-
Pro: Reverse, half-speed, ability to use looping mode
with onboard delay
Con: Somewhat limited loop time

If I were told I could use only one of the three, I'd
probably have to go with the DL4. Ideally, though,
it'd be nice to have a DL4 with the Headrush's
layering feature and sound quality and the RC-20's
loop time. (Throw in synch capability, and I've just
pretty much described more basic features of the EDP!)

I find these boxes useful in combination. When using
them in series, I put them in ascending loop-time
order; it can be cool to throw a short Headrush loop
into the RC-20 as sort of a poor man's 'multiply' when
you capture several go-rounds and can then overdub a
longer line on top. I also like to use the DL4 after
the Headrush to half-speed pitch-drop the Headrush's
loop while the Headrush keeps playing it at the
original speed. I do find them more useful in
parallel, though; morphing the units with a mixer is
fun.

-t-




 --part1_156.2002fd0d.2c28a5e2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 14:51:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NInik12087; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:49:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:49:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:50:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Should a Boomerang Do This? X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <005701c33979$e68c8260$6501a8c0@ldroby> References: <005701c33979$e68c8260$6501a8c0@ldroby> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <5i1XH.A.v8C.Iv09-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Leon, > The problem is when I want to add to it using the stack > footswitch. The new material is added to the original but the volume of the > original loop is reduced considerably. Are you using 100% feedback or a finite number of repeats? At 100% (infinite repeat) I get no appreciable attenuation. In fact it seems like the stacked loops get attenuated a little until nothing more can be added. However, if you have the 'rang set to a finite number of loops then, obviously each repeat is going to be a little quieter than the last. > A second questions has to do with the input level switch. In the inst or > mic position, it's very quite but the line setting has hiss. I've found all three positions are quiet enough when the knob is centred, but become hissy when turned up or down. I've found it a bit tricky to set an input signal to both be distortion free and hiss free, but it can be done as long as you have some means of gain control upstream of the 'rang. I've only had my Boomerang two weeks, so take my comments with a pinch of salt. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 14:54:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NIq9H13104; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <10c.25f2716d.2c28a647@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:51:51 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Headrush- opinions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10c.25f2716d.2c28a647_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: <7CLc2.A.oMD.Zx09-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10c.25f2716d.2c28a647_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Steve! Tim In a message dated 6/22/03 9:33:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ESL555@aol.com writes: > I like the Headrush. The sound quality of the loops is very good. The loops > can be about 12 seconds with more loops that can be added or about 24 sec of > one loop. This is a limitation but for the money you can't beat it. The > switches take time to get used to but work pretty well once you get used to them. > I haven't used the tape delay or digital delay settings much but what I > heard sounded good. Overall a very cool and fun unit. Great for laying down chord > loops and jamming over them. I do wish it had more loop time so I could get > a whole song looped but then were talking double the $. Hope that helps. > Steve --part1_10c.25f2716d.2c28a647_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Steve!

Tim

In a message dated 6/22/03 9:33:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ESL555@aol.com=20= writes:

I like the Headrush. The sound=20= quality of the loops is very good. The loops can be about 12 seconds with mo= re loops that can be added or about 24 sec of one loop. This is a limitation= but for the money you can't beat it. The switches take time to get used to=20= but work pretty well once you get used to them. I haven't used the tape dela= y or digital delay settings much but what I heard sounded good. Overall a ve= ry cool and fun unit. Great for laying down chord loops and jamming over the= m. I do wish it had more loop time so I could get a whole song looped but th= en were talking double the $. Hope that helps.
Steve


--part1_10c.25f2716d.2c28a647_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 15:12:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NJ9h216149; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:09:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:09:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbP4hI0mEU9ai73KioLNIWFxX2oQy1NncHNDGjIi5UjQEFs9Ix3K1ev Message-ID: <006e01c339ba$f6694420$6501a8c0@ldroby> From: "LeonD" To: References: <005701c33979$e68c8260$6501a8c0@ldroby> Subject: Re: Should a Boomerang Do This? Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:03:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <6W0LjB.A.N8D.3B19-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought the feedback or number of repeats only pertained when you used the Boomerang as a delay. I'm trying to use the basic loop function (it should keep repeating until I hit stop). I'll try it again and change the feedback setting but I wouldn't think it would make a difference. Thanks, LeonD > Are you using 100% feedback or a finite number of repeats? At 100% (infinite > repeat) I get no appreciable attenuation. In fact it seems like the stacked > loops get attenuated a little until nothing more can be added. However, if you > have the 'rang set to a finite number of loops then, obviously each repeat is > going to be a little quieter than the last. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 16:28:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NKO8H27223; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:24:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <32.3a89b60e.2c28bbd6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:23:50 EDT Subject: Re: Should a Boomerang Do This? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_32.3a89b60e.2c28bbd6_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_32.3a89b60e.2c28bbd6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/23/03 1:40:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ld60@rcn.com writes: > I'd > like to keep the base track as the main one and add little pieces to it leon.....do you have a rang+?.....thanks jg for the specs. from mike.....also, if you use the "stack" button use it with discression, dont keep it depressed all the time and just add in "bits and pieces".....this way you can have the main loop and a more dynamic sounding layering.....michael --part1_32.3a89b60e.2c28bbd6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/23/0= 3 1:40:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ld60@rcn.com writes:


I'd
like to keep the base track as the main one and add little pieces to it

leon.....do you have a rang+?.....thanks jg for the specs. from mike.....als= o, if you use the "stack" button use it with discression, dont keep it depre= ssed all the time and just add in "bits and pieces".....this way you can hav= e the main loop and a more dynamic sounding layering.....michael --part1_32.3a89b60e.2c28bbd6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 17:33:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NLV4k05095; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:31:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF77470.CE35E12E@erols.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:43:12 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: New Jersey gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5W4_0.A.ePB.XG39-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Mazzarella Vocals/Acoustic Guitar/Lap Steel/Loops via EDP Wednesday, June 25th, 9pm-1:30am Solo Looping Show The Laughing Lion 40 North Sussex Street Dover, NJ 973-328-1800 Thursday, June 26th, 8pm-10pm Solo Looping Show The Town Grind 25 East Main Street, Denville, NJ 973-325-9666 John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 17:50:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NLn4W08661; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:49:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:49:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:48:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDCE7EB0000D64C@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: [Gig Announce] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, June 28th To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5NLn4B08636 Resent-Message-ID: <9pIddC.A.MHC.QX39-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers, Atomic Mobius Machine will once again be playing live on the internet! On Saturday, June 28th, we'll be playing from 8pm-12am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (But, we usually play until 2am, for a whopping 6 hours of musical meanderings.) Atomic Mobius Machine likes to refer to it's 'style' as 'ambient loopadelic', and features myself, Dan Moore, and Ross Artese on various noise eminating devices. We are VERY excited about this months performance, as it reunites the original line-up with Ross Artese returning. If you want to check out stuff from past performances, please visit: http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine/ There is more material on the site than list on the page (as we are a little behind in updating the page), so if you want to sneak in the back door, you can get a raw directory listing of stuff at: http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine/music So tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, June 28th, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio has recently upgraded it streaming capabilities and now serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 For our show we'll be broadcasting a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other ports. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 19:47:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5NNk7H27953; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:46:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:46:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030623234605.15147.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030623105411.02ba2008@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <591o-C.A.n0G.-E59-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim, Lets see if I am understanding this right: So I could program a song in the drum machine with a four count countoff click, start the drum machine first, and then hit record on the echoplex (after the four count countoff click) and they would both be in sync as long as I had both tempos set the same? All the very best! Terry --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 07:33 AM 6/23/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: > >Another question: > >Is there a way to hear an audible four beat count > in > >on the drum machine, and then both the drum machine > >start playing and echoplex pro start recording at > the > >same time? > > use the TempoSelect function. that allows the > echoplex to send clock at a > specific tempo before you record a loop. That way > you can start the drum > machine first, and then record later. With > TempoSelect you can also start > the drum sequencer simultaneously with starting to > record, which might be > more musically appropriate sometimes than having the > drums start only after > you have recorded your loop. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 20:04:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5O03Mj31015; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:03:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:03:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:03:14 -0700 Subject: On the topic of drum machines...FS: Roland MC-307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EDCE7EB0000D64C@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4041987A-A5D7-11D7-B0DE-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Going to all Mac based sequencing so this is going out the door. It has served me well in conjunction with both the Repeater and the EDP http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2541003346 Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 21:42:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5O1eJ412885; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:40:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:40:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030623183256.045809b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:40:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question In-Reply-To: <20030623234605.15147.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030623105411.02ba2008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no. you go to TempoSelect and dial the tempo you want on the echoplex (or set it from a preset where the tempo has been stored). Then you have the Echoplex send a startsong message to start the drum sequencer, by doing the SetTempo with a press of Undo. The drum machine will start and be in sync with the echoplex clock. Then when you want, record your loop and it will also be in sync with the clock. This is all explained in depth in the manual. kim At 04:46 PM 6/23/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: >Thanks Kim, > >Lets see if I am understanding this right: >So I could program a song in the drum machine with a >four count countoff click, start the drum machine >first, and then hit record on the echoplex (after the >four count countoff click) and they would both be in >sync as long as I had both tempos set the same? > >All the very best! >Terry > > >--- Kim Flint wrote: > > At 07:33 AM 6/23/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: > > >Another question: > > >Is there a way to hear an audible four beat count > > in > > >on the drum machine, and then both the drum machine > > >start playing and echoplex pro start recording at > > the > > >same time? > > > > use the TempoSelect function. that allows the > > echoplex to send clock at a > > specific tempo before you record a loop. That way > > you can start the drum > > machine first, and then record later. With > > TempoSelect you can also start > > the drum sequencer simultaneously with starting to > > record, which might be > > more musically appropriate sometimes than having the > > drums start only after > > you have recorded your loop. > > > > kim > > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 21:45:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5O1j3313656; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:45:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:45:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF7AC7C.7050703@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:42:20 -0600 From: jason User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, chance@direcpc.com Subject: C Chance of Arnaudville, LA References: <200306232151.h5NLpve09474@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200306232151.h5NLpve09474@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is your last chance to tell me what size shirt you want, I can hold up the order no longer. If I dont hear from you by 8:00 AM MST, I am going to use my superlooperpowers and/or select a shirt size utilizing divine intervention. I do wish you would respond to private emails, sending this kind of stuff to the list is not cool. grumble grumble grumble...... -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 23 23:48:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5O3lic02384; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:47:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:47:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF7C9E4.6010009@quik.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:47:48 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New loop music online: Little Whales -- Kate's Jig References: <20030620061120.16505.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030620061120.16505.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings all! Here is the latest addition to my "Little Whales" guitar loop project, "Kate's Jig". http://littlewhales.thedivided.com I haven't made a new track since the end of April, mainly due to the fact that've I've been doing a few industrial gigs and have been re-building my recording system. Funny thing is, after spending about $800 on upgrades, the system sounds pretty close to what it did before! Sigh.... Anyway, for "Kate's Jig" I used my usual method of building a base loop over the period of about 3 days, and then I improvised another loop on top of it during the mixdown. As always, comments are welcome. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 01:33:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5O5Uc219113; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:30:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:30:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:30:33 -0700 Subject: OT: Ashland, OR music scene Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EF7AC7C.7050703@cabq.gov> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the off topic post, but I seem to recall some folks on the list being based in Ashland, Oregon. My wife and I are contemplating a move there from San Francisco and I was wondering if someone can give me a rundown on the local music scene. How much work there is from the Shakespeare Festival, etc. It looks like a really nice town! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 03:35:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5O7XuH05893; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:33:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:33:45 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have the echoplex out going to the midi in of a drum > machine right now. It syncs up and works fine but when > I hit half speed the drum machine drops to half spped > also. > > Is there any way to keep the tempo of the drum machine > steady when you put the echoplex in half speed mode? > Hi Terry, as others have said you need to change 8th/cycle to achieve this . ...but keep in mind that any change in 8th/cycle happens at the end of the loop, so you need to set Quantise=LOP to make sure that HSP occurs at exactly the same time as the 8th/cycle change. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 05:39:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5O9cHm22804; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 05:38:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 05:38:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030624093816.45839.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 02:38:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030623183256.045809b0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't get it to stay in sync at all for any length of time. I tried having the echoplex out to the DR670 in and then tried reversing it with the DR670 out to the Echoplex in. (I have quantize on and set to LOP, 8th cycle is set to 8, and sync is set to out, switch quant is off.I set the tempo to 140.) Using the echoplex out to the DR670 in the echoplex goes a whole bar before it even turns the drum machine on. I want it to start the drum machine when I hit record. Or better yet it would be nice to be able to start the drum machine and then be able to hit record whenever I wanted to start the echoplex. It stays in sync as long as I don't hit any buttons except overdub. If I hit reverse it is totally out of sync when I hit reverse to go back to forward again. If I hit half speed it is out of sync when I go back to normal speed. I tried setting the half speed button to a parameter with double the value of everything else and it did keep the drum machine at the same speed when I hit half speed but, If I hit half speed again later to return it to normal speed, the drum machine doubles it's speed. It is also out of sync. If there is a clear explanation in the loop IV manual of how to make the echoplex work in time with a drum machine I can't find it. Can someone walk me through this, leaving nothing out. I heard there is a new (300 page?) manual. Is there a pdf of it anywhere? Are any of you out there able to use all of the functions in the echoplex and keep a drum machine going steady and in time for 10 minutes without drifting, and without going schizoid when you hit any button besides overdub? It's a good thing I didn't try using a drum machine with the echoplex when I first got it or it would have gone straight back to Guitar Center. Another couple of nights like tonight and it may end up on e-bay. Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 06:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OAbrT30546; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 06:37:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 06:37:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030624044425.00826640@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 04:44:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question In-Reply-To: <20030624093816.45839.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030623183256.045809b0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-FRQEC.A.KdH.BoC--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, there's the problem!, Guitar Center!, This was a known bug!, -if you bought it from there, you'll almost always run into sync issues. lol! -couldn't resist... I can't get it to stay in sync at all for any length >of time. I tried having the echoplex out to the DR670 >in and then tried reversing it with the DR670 out to >the Echoplex in. > >(I have quantize on and set to LOP, 8th cycle is set >to 8, and sync is set to out, switch quant is off.I >set the tempo to 140.) > >Using the echoplex out to the DR670 in the echoplex >goes a whole bar before it even turns the drum machine >on. I want it to start the drum machine when I hit >record. > >Or better yet it would be nice to be able to start the >drum machine and then be able to hit record whenever I >wanted to start the echoplex. > >It stays in sync as long as I don't hit any buttons >except overdub. If I hit reverse it is totally out of >sync when I hit reverse to go back to forward again. > >If I hit half speed it is out of sync when I go back >to normal speed. > >I tried setting the half speed button to a parameter >with double the value of everything else and it did >keep the drum machine at the same speed when I hit >half speed but, If I hit half speed again later to >return it to normal speed, the drum machine doubles >it's speed. > >It is also out of sync. > >If there is a clear explanation in the loop IV manual >of how to make the echoplex work in time with a drum >machine I can't find it. > >Can someone walk me through this, leaving nothing out. > >I heard there is a new (300 page?) manual. Is there a >pdf of it anywhere? > >Are any of you out there able to use all of the >functions in the echoplex and keep a drum machine >going steady and in time for 10 minutes without >drifting, and without going schizoid when you hit any >button besides overdub? > >It's a good thing I didn't try using a drum machine >with the echoplex when I first got it or it would have >gone straight back to Guitar Center. Another couple of >nights like tonight and it may end up on e-bay. > >Terry > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 07:59:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OBvXQ09176; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:57:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:57:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:56:56 -0400 Subject: gig spam: mixology festival in nyc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com to anyone who's interested in an interesting festival of experimental sound.... john and i will both be using some very long live loopers... .As part of the .Roulette "Festival of Mixology 2003": .New and Unorthodox Multimedia Performances .Curated by David Linton .Wednesday, June 25, 7pm .Collaborative Audio/Visual Performances by: .Kim and Kathleen Cascone (on tape) .John Hudak/Bruce Tovsky .Ozonepark/Anney Bonney .Nicolas Collins/Kato Hideki .Screen Memory (Mike Berk/Dan Vatsky/Eric Redlinger) .At the Performing Garage .33 Wooster Street .New York City .Tickets $12 .Reservations: 212.219.8242 .Other Audio/Video solo and collaborative work: .June 23 through June 28 .More info: www.roulette.org .Performing Garage: .1 block east of West Broadway, 1 block north of Canal Street .Subway: Canal Street 1,9,A,C,E,N,R From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 11:01:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OEs2307001; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:54:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:54:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:53:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: LD community/loop cd's i've gotten... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1155656057==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1155656057==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" after Michael K's email yesterday, I decided to take an inventory of the loop-based cd's i've received while being a member of LD. All of them have been very helpful in my development of using loop-based techniques and learning and diving into looping. They are: TED KILLIAN "Flux Aeterna" --some great guitar playing & looping from ted MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR "Klutter Band" & "Solo"--guitar looping in a band context, and Michael does some nice effects processong for wacky stuff... PEDRO FELIX -3 cd's--3 very different sounding cds. one has more traditional sounding instrumental tracks, other 2 are more 'conceptual' in that they are recorded live, one sitting for one long take. lots of delay based looping going on. JASON FINK "Exoskeleton"--jason fires up his 'klein-like' and repeater and works w/ a laptop specialist who processes percussion, etc. made me want to finish my 'klein-like' guitar building project faster! RAUL BONELL "Sirdis"--warr guitar in action. great bass sounds in conjunction w/ percussion! RADIO MASSACRE INTERNATIONAL "Planets in the Wire"--i'm not sure how to classify this one. great band effort that creates an atmosphere. very warm analog sounding in it's recording. when i listen to this one, i'm always listening to the drum sounds and trying to figure out recording techniques. BROKEN KEY "Advent"--another hard one to classify for me. ambient. lo-fi. HARM "Obouro Singultus"--ditto on this one for classification. ambient. lo-fi sounding again. CHRISTOPHER SILVER SHOES "Bedroom Demos 01-02" (Cassette)--i thought this is the tape i received from Chris Richards (am i correct?). I believe he uses the line 6 delay modeler on this one along w/ the filter modeler to get some great sounds. the filter sounds made me search for my own filter sounding device JIMMY GEORGE BAND-just got 2 cd's in the mail yesterday, so look fwd to giving them a listen in the next few days! Well, those are the recordings I've received since joining LD. Thanks to all for helping me in my own journey. Lots to be learned from these folks in the work they do and share.... oh I should add that in addition to the above I also got Andre LaFosse's "Distruption Theory" (waiting for next release!) and of course I filled out my David Torn collection as well as a few R. Fripp recordings....also helpful and influential stuff......s--- -- --============_-1155656057==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" LD community/loop cd's i've gotten...
after Michael K's email yesterday, I decided to take
an inventory of the loop-based cd's i've received while
being a member of LD. All of them have been very helpful
in my development of using loop-based techniques and learning
and diving into looping.  They are:

TED KILLIAN "Flux Aeterna" --some great guitar playing & looping from ted

MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR "Klutter Band" & "Solo"--guitar looping in a band context,
and Michael does some nice effects processong for wacky stuff...

PEDRO FELIX -3 cd's--3 very different sounding cds. one has more traditional
sounding instrumental tracks, other 2 are more 'conceptual' in that they
are recorded live, one sitting for one long take. lots of delay based looping going on.

JASON FINK "Exoskeleton"--jason fires up his 'klein-like' and repeater and works w/ a laptop specialist who processes percussion, etc. made me want to finish my 'klein-like' guitar building project faster!

RAUL BONELL "Sirdis"--warr guitar in action. great bass sounds in conjunction w/ percussion!

RADIO MASSACRE INTERNATIONAL "Planets in the Wire"--i'm not sure how to classify this one. great band effort that creates an atmosphere. very warm analog sounding in it's recording. when i listen to this one, i'm always listening to the drum sounds and trying to figure out recording techniques.

BROKEN KEY "Advent"--another hard one to classify for me. ambient. lo-fi.

HARM "Obouro Singultus"--ditto on this one for classification. ambient. lo-fi sounding again.

CHRISTOPHER SILVER SHOES "Bedroom Demos 01-02" (Cassette)--i thought this is the tape i received from Chris Richards (am i correct?). I believe he uses the line 6 delay modeler on this one along w/ the filter modeler to get some great sounds. the filter sounds made me search for my own filter sounding device

JIMMY GEORGE BAND-just got 2 cd's in the mail yesterday, so look fwd to
giving them a listen in the next few days!

Well, those are the recordings I've received since joining LD. Thanks to all
for helping me in my own journey. Lots to be learned from these folks in
the work they do and share....

oh I should add that in addition to the above I also got Andre LaFosse's "Distruption Theory" (waiting for next release!) and of course I filled
out my David Torn collection as well as a few R. Fripp recordings....also
helpful and influential stuff......s---


--
--============_-1155656057==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 11:49:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OFmGr15361; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030624154805.58800.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: GIG SPAM: NYC TONIGHT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not really loop based music, but there are 2 loopers in the band...it may come out tonight, but certainly a good improv band. "The Pocket" June 24th (Tuesday) Kenny's Castaways Bleeker St. (corner by Thompson) 10pm - $5 Cover be there or be square. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 12:15:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OGCup18833; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:12:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:12:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Echoplex w/drum machine question Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:12:43 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000501c33a6b$76aa4d90$a81d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030624093816.45839.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5OGCtB18805 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Terry Blankenship [mailto:electricgypsys@yahoo.com] > (I have quantize on and set to LOP, 8th cycle is set > to 8, and sync is set to out, switch quant is off.I > set the tempo to 140.) I'm not sure I understand exactly what you want to do, but did you try with switch quant set to some value? > I tried setting the half speed button to a parameter > with double the value of everything else and it did > keep the drum machine at the same speed when I hit > half speed but, If I hit half speed again later to > return it to normal speed, the drum machine doubles > it's speed. To use this workaround you need to program two different foot switch commands: 1) HalfSpeed/PC with 16 8th/cycle 2) FullSpeed/PC with 8 8th/cycle You can not use the "speedbutton" command. > It is also out of sync. ...switch quant? ;-) > Are any of you out there able to use all of the > functions in the echoplex and keep a drum machine > going steady and in time for 10 minutes without > drifting, and without going schizoid when you hit any > button besides overdub? If that's what you want it might be a good idea to put the drum machine as master and slaving the EDP? But then, this thread has been all about using the EDP as master with a slaved drum machine, or am I mistaken here? All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 13:42:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OHXWS30581; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:33:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:33:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.39224136.2c29e548@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:32:56 EDT Subject: GIG SPAM PITTSBURGH PA. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <4x08G.A.tdH.rtI--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i will be doing whatever it is i do at a small art opening this FRI and SAT nite 6:00-9:00.....loops aplenty.....possible "downsized" KLUTTER set.....GEMS OF THE WORLD on CARSON ST. SOUTH SIDE PITTSBURGH.....412-432-0300.....be there or buy my cd.....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 13:45:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OHg5D31237; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:42:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:42:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030624173238.94742.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030624044425.00826640@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2j3RzB.A.9nH.t1I--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Goddess wrote: > if you start really doing some serious > loop mangliage, you'll need to realign the loops to > get them back in sync. It should stay in sync no matter what. You shouldn't have to try and realign it in the middle of a recording while you are playing. How do you relign it on the fly? > Also, you mentioned you configured a command to go > into half speed and change the eighth value > appropriately, did you configure the reverse to go > back? -in other words, changing the eighth value > back again as you reenter normal speed? -or are you > going between presets?... I have every function set up so that it changes the preset first to whichever one I want, then it turns the selected notes on and off. All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 13:49:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OHkC132327; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:46:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:46:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:33:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: C Chance of Arnaudville, LA In-Reply-To: <3EF7AC7C.7050703@cabq.gov> References: <200306232151.h5NLpve09474@hemlock.violacea.com> <200306232151.h5NLpve09474@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2003 17:28:50.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[138B8B10:01C33A76] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5OHkBB32302 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Sorry, Xtra large please. Thanks. Ian. At 02:42 24/06/03 , you wrote: >This is your last chance to tell me what size shirt you want, >I can hold up the order no longer. > >If I dont hear from you by 8:00 AM MST,  I am going to >use my superlooperpowers and/or select a  shirt size >utilizing divine intervention. > >I do wish you would respond to private emails,  sending >this kind of stuff to the list is not cool. > >grumble grumble grumble...... > > >-jas >Albuquerque > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 14:02:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OHwFw02349; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:58:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDCE7EB0000E2C1@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Call for performers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5OHwEB02324 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heya Loopies, You have seen my postings about my group Atomic Mobius Machine performing on the internet on a monthly basis, but, I also have a 2 hour show that I do every Tuesday, from 8pm-10pm/pst. Normally I have played CD's and mp3's with a varied format, and there have been several times I have played all looping music from many of you that I downloaded. Last month I hosted a pair of singer/songwriters on my Tuesday night show, and decided that I would like to continue to do that once a month as well. So, this is an open invitation to each and everyone of you, if you would like to come perform a two hour set, combined with a little interviewing, and if we are lucky, some witty banter, please let me know. I do the show from my living rom in Cupertino, CA, so that may limit who can make it, but, again, it's an open invitation... Currently I have someone booked for the August slot, but everything else is wide open. peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 14:24:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OIJuU05484; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:19:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030624181954.17345.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:19:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030624173238.94742.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > (I have quantize on and set to LOP, 8th cycle is > > set to 8, and sync is set to out, switch quant is > > off. I set the tempo to 140.) If I need to change > > any of these settings let me know. > I'm not sure I understand exactly what you want to > do, but did you try with switch quant set to some > value? Hi Per, Thanks for trying to help me out. No I haven't tried setting the switch quant to some value. What value should I set it for? > > I tried setting the half speed button to a > > parameter with double the value of everything else > > and it did keep the drum machine at the same speed > > when I hit half speed but, If I hit half speed > > again later to return it to normal speed, the drum > > machine doubles it's speed. > > To use this workaround you need to program two > different foot switch commands: > > 1) HalfSpeed/PC with 16 8th/cycle > 2) FullSpeed/PC with 8 8th/cycle > You can not use the "speedbutton" command. I will try that. > >It is also out of sync. > ...switch quant? ;-) I have this set to off. What sure it be set to? > > Are any of you out there able to use all of the > > functions in the echoplex and keep a drum machine > > going steady and in time for 10 minutes without > > drifting, and without going schizoid when you hit > > any button besides overdub? > > If that's what you want it might be a good idea to > put the drum machine as master and slaving the EDP? I've tried using the echoplex as a master and slave and had similar problems. > But then, this thread has been all about using the > EDP as master with a slaved drum machine, or am I >mistakenhere? I don't really care which is the master or slave as long as it works and stays in sync. Which way stays in sync best? Ideally it would be nice to be able to start a song I'd programmed on the drum machine with a four count countoff, then hit record on the echoplex and start recoring along with the drum machine right away. Then I'd like to be able to use the echoplex as I normally would and it stay in synce with the drum machine even if I played for 45 minutes which I frequently do. All the very best! Terry > All the best > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 14:30:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OISvv07141; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:28:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:28:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030624182854.18966.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:28:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: using presets on the echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030624173238.94742.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am using an echoplex with loop IV and a PMC10 midi pedal. My question is on using presets in general. I set up everything to start with a program change (which changes the preset in the echoplex to what ever preset I want), then I set the note on and off info. Is this the correct way to be doing this? So far I have just used preset 1 on everything, but I have set up the 8th cycle on preset 2 to 16 instead of 8, just for the half speed nutton in an attempt to keep the drum machine going the same speed when I hit half speed. Per has just explained that I need to use two buttons for this and I will try that tonight. I was just wondering about presets in general, and whether you should always set up everything to start with a program change (which changes the preset in the echoplex to what ever preset you want), then set the note on and off info. Is this the correct way to be doing this? All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 14:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OIaU908457; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:36:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:36:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex w/drum machine question Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:35:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c33a7f$6bbaaec0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030624181954.17345.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ideally it would be nice to be able to start a song I'd programmed on the drum machine with a four count countoff, then hit record on the echoplex and start recoring along with the drum machine right away. Then I'd like to be able to use the echoplex as I normally would and it stay in synce with the drum machine even if I played for 45 minutes which I frequently do. ===================================== Kim pointed out the TempoSelect feature yesterday. I hadn't tried it before, and spent last night using it, and it does exactly what you're asking for here, as long as you've created the requisite countoff bars on your drum machine yourself, programmed into your song. Its on Page 14 of the Loop IV manual. While in reset (no loop playing) and with sync=out press undo, adjust tempo with feedback knob or pedal, press undo again. Clock should be sent to your slaved drum machine and it will play. Wait for your cue, Press record on EDP and create your loop in sync. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 15:16:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OJCYF15018; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:12:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:12:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subscape Annex: June 26 in Clayton NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing Chapman Stick and probably theremin with the ambient/industrial looping soundscapes trio (the other two members both play synth keyboards) I'm a member of, at an art show reception at a coffeeshop/gallery in eastern NC this Thursday 8-9pm. There's another performer before us from 7-8, and I'm looking forward to hearing her. My looping gear is going to be any 2 of an Akai Headrush (if the power jack doesn't conk out again), Electrix Repeater, and/or Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, plus assorted other delay/echo/reverb effects (Moog Music analog delay, Way Huge Blue Hippo analog chorus, etc.). It's an early show, and free. Details and URLs in the email below. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Contents: Our most recent show Our next show ---------------------- Our last show: We had a great time at Temple Ball Gallery on May 1, working with the artist Nemo painting to our music. Here's a picture of Nemo painting while we were playing, with the two pieces he was working on at the time in progress: http://www.nemo.org/nuevo/imgs/closenemopaint1sm.jpg Thanks to Rick Ramirez of Temple Ball Gallery/De La Luz Performance space for inviting us to play. We have excellent recordings from the show, and are working on hopefully releasing the performance as a live album. More details on this will come as they happen. ---------------------- Our next show: Our next show is this Thursday, June 26. We will be playing at the reception for Kirk Adam's art show of modern minimalist abstract paintings, at the Coffee Mill in Clayton, NC. The reception is 7-9pm. The musical artist Jolei will be performing first, and Subscape Annex will perform after Jolei. location: The Coffee Mill is at 105 S. Lombard St. Clayton NC 27520 telephone 550-0174 The Coffee Mill website: http://www.thecoffeemill.com/ has a link to a map, under the "About Us" section of their website, or use http://www.mapquest.com/ with the address above. Jolei's website: http://mooncaravan.com/joleibio.html Kirk Adam: http://www.kirkadam.com/ We hope to see folks there! regards, Steve, Anthony, and Rob Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 16:16:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OKEd824868; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:14:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:14:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:15:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:09 AM 6/21/2003, Michael Peters wrote: >the Loopers Delight 'essential loop recordings' page needs updates. It >contains some essential recordings reviews, but many are still missing. The >page hasn't changed for quite a while now. > >So we need your contributions - please write reviews, and send them to me - >but please send in only reviews of recordings that are truly essential. What >is essential? Kim writes, > >>they might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were >>first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music >>where it hadn't been used before, or recordings/artists that influenced a >>lot of people to become interested in looping or expand their abilities >>as loopers, etc. Hi folks, I'd really like to see some discussion of this. What are essential recordings of the past couple decades that have influenced the use of looping in music? The "essential recordings" section of Looper's Delight pretty much stops in the early 80's. Surely something has happened since then! Let's start with the 90's. We've had a few years now to gain some perspective. What were the influential looping recordings of that decade? Surely there was a lot going on. Innovative artists from David Torn to Phil Keaggy to Aphex Twin, an explosion of electronic music, a wide variety of new looping tools being used in many different ways, etc. How about Andre LaFosse from this list, who so many people mention? So let's hear it. What were 5 albums from the 90's that you think influenced looping? (or influenced you and your looping.) Can you say something short about each one about what makes it essential listening for loopers? We can gather up some ideas and the more commonly mentioned items can get enshrined in the "essential recordings" page. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 16:19:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OKGHL25009; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:15:20 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: June 28, 2003, NYC concert: Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, echoes, loops, drones and minimalism. To: ":: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , extremeNY@topica.com, davidtorn@yahoogroups.com, the_Ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, Ohmbient list , oddmusic@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <023f01c33a8d$56765060$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_XxM2cxf4gFDF8v/E+3E1YQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_XxM2cxf4gFDF8v/E+3E1YQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DAVID BEARDSLEY Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, echoes, loops, drones and minimalism. June 28 , 2003 8 p.m. donation to Three Jewels suggested. The Three Jewels Outreach Center & Bookstore 211 East 5th Street (between 2nd and 3rd Avenues) N.Y.C., N.Y. 10003 (212) 475-6650 http://www.threejewels.org/ "Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditation tool is another." - Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl. "Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods." - Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, NYC "The electric guitar corner was represented by David Beardsley's atmospheric "Around D" - operative word "around." Beardsley played his maxi-fretted guitar through a volume pedal, a looping device and other effects to create swirling layers of meditative droning. Throbbing close tones made it a vibration-oriented experience." - Josef Woodard, LA Times http://biink.com/db http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db --Boundary_(ID_XxM2cxf4gFDF8v/E+3E1YQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
DAVID BEARDSLEY
Microtonal Just Intonation guitar,
echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.

June 28 , 2003
8 p.m.
donation to Three Jewels suggested.

The Three Jewels Outreach Center & Bookstore
211 East 5th Street
(between 2nd and 3rd Avenues)
N.Y.C., N.Y. 10003
(212) 475-6650
http://www.threejewels.org/

"Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditation
tool is another."
- Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society,
Gainesville, Fl.

"Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods."
- Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, NYC

"The electric guitar corner was represented by
David Beardsley's atmospheric "Around D" - operative
word "around." Beardsley played his maxi-fretted guitar
through a volume pedal, a looping device and other effects
to create swirling layers of meditative droning. Throbbing
close tones made it a vibration-oriented experience."
- Josef Woodard, LA Times

http://biink.com/db
 
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
--Boundary_(ID_XxM2cxf4gFDF8v/E+3E1YQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 16:55:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OKqfh31929; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:52:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:52:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:52:33 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000b01c33a92$8ac505f0$bf1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Since I got LOOP4 I have found that whenever I'm ending an unrounded multiply with record my EDP goes back to loop 1 (if I'm not already in loop 1). Why? I was looking all over http://www.aurisis.com for the PDF loop4 manual but only the loop3 manual was published there - and I already have that one on paper ;-) What's the trick to fine this loop4 manual ppl keep referring to? Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 17:34:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OLWaZ06229; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:32:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:32:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624140605.0249e470@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:33:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 In-Reply-To: <000b01c33a92$8ac505f0$bf1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:52 PM 6/24/2003, Per Boysen wrote: >Since I got LOOP4 I have found that whenever I'm ending an unrounded >multiply with record my EDP goes back to loop 1 (if I'm not already in >loop 1). Why? that's strange, it doesn't do that here. as usual, if you want to report a problem like that you need to provide a lot more details. parameter settings and the exact sequence of steps you took are necessary. >I was looking all over http://www.aurisis.com for the PDF loop4 manual >but only the loop3 manual was published there - and I already have that >one on paper ;-) What's the trick to fine this loop4 manual ppl keep >referring to? Everybody who bought LoopIV from us or was a beta tester was sent a manual with their copy. You're not in my records as being in either one of those categories, so I'm a little unclear how you got a copy of LoopIV..... but that probably explains why you don't have a manual. Maybe it explains why you have a bug too.... anyway, just go to the LoopIV section of the aurisis site, under products: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html the link that says "download the Loop IV v1.1 Upgrade Manual" is the one you want. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 18:09:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OM7rk12342; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:07:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:07:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c33a93$45259400$7ee65cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Robert Rich Show Cancelled Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:56:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is with the deepest regrets that I have had to cancel Robert's appearance at the Soundscapes Concert Series on July 12. Everyone who paid for tickets in advance will have their money returned in a timely manner. I hope to see you all at a future episode of the Soundscapes Concert Series when I find a new venue to present this special form of music. Best regards, Bill Fox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 18:10:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OM9ng12889; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:09:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:09:53 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: essential loop recordings In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <05bb01c33a9d$56b7d2f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So let's hear it. What were 5 albums from the 90's that you think > influenced looping? (or influenced you and your looping.) Can you say > something short about each one about what makes it essential > listening for > loopers? > looping on an albums is quite a bit different from LiveLooping(tm). the studio setting allows for a very different approach. what matters to me is the sound, though, not the juggling. so here we go (top of my head, no particular order): david torn - tripping over god amon tobin - permutation critters buggin - host tabla beat science - tala matrix grooverider - mysteries of funk because five is not enough: squarepusher - big loada talvin singh - ok radiohead - ok computer beck - midnight vultures influence is a strange thing, i don't sound like any of these. not sure what makes something essential, but i know it when i hear it... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 18:20:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5OMIvY14810; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:18:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:18:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030624221855.64280.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1316181735-1056493135=:64158" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1316181735-1056493135=:64158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For me, recordings of the 90s changed my thinking about looping more from the studio production standpoint than from the standpoint of improvised live performance. At this time I am hard-pressed to name specific albums, though I'll try anyway: Squarepusher - Feed Me Weird Things Massive Attack - Mezzanine Goldbug - Ben Neill Chemical Brothers (forgot the album title) Entroducing - DJ Shadow Meiso - DJ Krush Those are the titles that jump off the top of my head. Plus recordings and live performances I've heard from LaFosse, Torn, and other LD listers. Paolo Kim Flint wrote: So let's hear it. What were 5 albums from the 90's that you think influenced looping? (or influenced you and your looping.) Can you say something short about each one about what makes it essential listening for loopers? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-1316181735-1056493135=:64158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
For me, recordings of the 90s changed my thinking about looping more from the studio production standpoint than from the standpoint of improvised live performance.  At this time I am hard-pressed to name specific albums, though I'll try anyway:
 
Squarepusher - Feed Me Weird Things
Massive Attack - Mezzanine
Goldbug - Ben Neill
Chemical Brothers (forgot the album title)
Entroducing - DJ Shadow
Meiso - DJ Krush
 
Those are the titles that jump off the top of my head.  Plus recordings and live performances I've heard from LaFosse, Torn, and other LD listers. 
 
Paolo

Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:
So let's hear it. What were 5 albums from the 90's that you think
influenced looping? (or influenced you and your looping.) Can you say
something short about each one about what makes it essential listening for
loopers?

Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-1316181735-1056493135=:64158-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 19:19:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ONBef21316; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030624231134.56401.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:11:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > So let's hear it. What were 5 albums from the 90's > that you think > influenced looping? (or influenced you and your > looping.) Can you say > something short about each one about what makes it > essential listening for loopers? Hmmm, not all of these are real typical of the much-discussed real-time LIVE-LOOPING, but they _did_ influence my late 90's approach to loopage, live and otherwise. For some reason, I've arranged them into little tryptychs in no particular order: 1) TransGlobal Underground - 'Dream of 100 Nations', 'International Times', 'Psychic Karaoke': although most of the looping herein is of the cut-and-paste sampled variety, TGU's willingness to break the rules of tempo and to combine things that possibly shouldn't be makes them worth a listen. Middle Eastern meets Drum 'n' Bass meets who knows what else, with a heap of humour. Oh, and Natacha Atlas... 2) Ben Neill - 'Green Machine', 'Triptycal', 'Goldbug': Neill's use of the 'mutantrumpet', his own invention, is impressive. With it, in addition to playing regular and slide trumpet, he also triggers loops, manipulates them in real time, plays basslines and even controls his lightshow. 3) Loop Guru - 'Duniya', 'Catalog of Desires, Vol.3', 'The Third Chamber': Dave Muddyman's assemblage of exotic samples has to be heard to believed. When they're on, they're sublime and transcendent; when they're not, they're maybe a little boring... 4) The Grassy Knoll - 'The Grassy Knoll', 'Positive', 'III': more cut-and-paste looping, but it really inspired me to try to do similar things in real time. More Antilles genre-defying... 5) David Torn - "what means 'solid', traveller?", "Tripping Over God", (complete the tryptych with *anything* else from his discography): No introduction really necessary; if you don't know these albums, you need to. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 19:37:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ONZgd23186; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:35:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:35:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:35:47 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > So let's hear it. What were 5 albums from the 90's that you think > influenced looping? (or influenced you and your looping.) Can you say > something short about each one about what makes it essential listening > for loopers? Not necessarily from the 90's: 1981. Robert Fripp -- Let the Power Fall 1 man, 1 guitar, a fuzz box, volume pedal and two tape recorders: the pure deal. It's like studying Looperus-Australopithecus. 1995. David Torn -- What Means Solid Traveller? The pinnacle (IMO) of Mr. Torn's guitar mania. It has yet to be surpassed by *anyone*. Looperus-Superiorus. 2000. Bill Frisell -- Ghost Town The looper so transparently integrated into the instrument that it's like an extra string. Looperus-Subtleus. 2002. The Nels Cline Singers -- Instrumentals What happens when you mix a jazzers ear and technique with an avant-gardeist's sonic adventurism and throw lots 'o fuzz boxes and loopers at 'em. Also, the incomparable drummer Scott Amendola shows us that loopers ain't just for guitar players! Looperus-Noiserus. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 19:45:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ONiGb24026; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:44:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:44:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <043401c33aaa$8f269e70$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <05bb01c33a9d$56b7d2f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:41:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Jim Palmer" > tabla beat science - tala matrix > talvin singh - ok I concur Jim, it's a big Bill Laswell thing going on with the tala matrix, what a collection of drummers!! The contemporary asian and fusion scene is great, get your ears around some bhangra, www.dholfoundation.com or try the afrocelts www.afrocelts.com . Check out the master musicians of jajouka, Talvin did some work there too. There are certainly loops used in all the stuff we talk about but I don't know how much is looping? A lot will be samples I'm sure > influence is a strange thing, i don't sound like any of these. > not sure what makes something essential, but i know it when i hear it... I think musically we are a result of all things we are exposed to, I suppose essential in this case to me is something which sparked something in you or opened a new phase for you. I was an investigative child and made my first tape loop at about age 10, just a single loop within the tape cassette but routed around the fixing screws. It lasted less than a second IIRC. I was fascinated with loopability ever since but was never technologically enabled, I tried briefly in the early 80s again with congas and a guitar player's FX pedal but it failed the feedback test. I first became fully aware of potential looping utilisation, or what I suspect to be looping, in Eberhard Weber's beautiful 'Pendulum' album, that's my firestarter and then Rick Walker just needed to push on the half open door and... I'm here. I offer pendulum as a contender if it satisfies the looping tag. Paul Dha Ge Na Na Ge Na Ge Na ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 19:53:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ONqLF24716; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:52:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:52:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624154511.0213a630@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:52:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question In-Reply-To: <20030624093816.45839.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030623183256.045809b0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:38 AM 6/24/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: >I can't get it to stay in sync at all for any length >of time. I tried having the echoplex out to the DR670 >in and then tried reversing it with the DR670 out to >the Echoplex in. you are sort of unclear about what exactly the trouble is. Here you say it doesn't sync at all, which implies it is drifting. Then below you indicate it does sync after the initial record and only gets off the sync when you use certain functions. That implies the problem is you are de-aligning the loop from the drum machine, not necessarily losing sync. >(I have quantize on and set to LOP, 8th cycle is set >to 8, and sync is set to out, switch quant is off.I >set the tempo to 140.) and are you certain that you have the DR670 set up to receive midi clock? Does it start up from the startsong message of the Echoplex, and then play at the right tempo? >Using the echoplex out to the DR670 in the echoplex >goes a whole bar before it even turns the drum machine >on. that is how it normally works for the basic form of sync, when you don't use the new TempoSelect functions. The echoplex has no idea how long the loop will be before you finish recording it, so it obviously doesn't know what tempo the clock should be. It waits until you finish the recording (so it knows how long the loop is and therefore the tempo). Then it sends a startsong and the clock. If you want the Echoplex to know the tempo in advance and send clocks and startsongs before recording, you use TempoSelect. >I want it to start the drum machine when I hit >record. > >Or better yet it would be nice to be able to start the >drum machine and then be able to hit record whenever I >wanted to start the echoplex. As I said yesterday, you use the TempoSelect functions to do that. Did you try them? These features allow you to do exactly what you are asking for. >It stays in sync as long as I don't hit any buttons >except overdub. If I hit reverse it is totally out of >sync when I hit reverse to go back to forward again. > >If I hit half speed it is out of sync when I go back >to normal speed. It sounds to me like you are using these functions unquantized, in which case of course it goes out of phase with the drum loop in the drum machine. If you reverse the loop for a while and then unreverse, the loop will be shifted by that much. This is called DeAligning the loop, because you end up shifting the startpoint of the Echoplex loop away from the external loop. However, even when you do this you do not lose sync. The loops still stay locked together, they are just shifted out of phase with each other. LoopIV now has the magic ReAlign and StartSong commands. The Echoplex keeps track of all the DeAligning you do with reverse and halfspeed and retriggering and such. Then when you can use the ReAlign commands to put it back automatically. If you don't want the loop going out of phase with the drum machine loop in the first place, which it sounds to me you don't, then you should always use reverse and halfspeed quantized. This way they always wait until the next downbeat of the loop before they start, and the beats stay lined up. When you switch back to forward (or full speed), it again waits for the downbeat. This way you keep regular, in-phase rhythm. >I tried setting the half speed button to a parameter >with double the value of everything else and it did >keep the drum machine at the same speed when I hit >half speed but, If I hit half speed again later to >return it to normal speed, the drum machine doubles >it's speed. it sounds to me like your second command did not set the 8ths/cycle back to whatever it was when you started. >If there is a clear explanation in the loop IV manual >of how to make the echoplex work in time with a drum >machine I can't find it. there is the whole chapter on the new sync commands in the LoopIV upgrade manual. That manual is mainly meant for people familiar with using sync in LoopIII, since the LoopIV manual only explains the new features. It does explains them fairly thoroughly, and hopefully clearly. Since your questions are not referring to any of that stuff, I guess you haven't read it yet. There is also the information on using sync with the echoplex in the FAQ on the Looper's Delight web site: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ3.html and in the older echoplex manual in the sections on Sync and 8ths/cycle. and if you search the list archives you will hundreds of past discussions on this topic. >Are any of you out there able to use all of the >functions in the echoplex and keep a drum machine >going steady and in time for 10 minutes without >drifting, and without going schizoid when you hit any >button besides overdub? yes, I've been doing it the whole time I was writing this mail. I record the drum loop from the sequencer into the echoplex and let them play together in sync. Then I play with switching half-speed and reverse, changing 8ths/cycle, playing with the mix knob, etc. Going It's a great way to make a boring drum loop into a more live and interesting drumloop. >It's a good thing I didn't try using a drum machine >with the echoplex when I first got it or it would have >gone straight back to Guitar Center. Another couple of >nights like tonight and it may end up on e-bay. you mean the drum machine or the echoplex? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 20:12:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P0BrQ26336; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624170505.01e73ff8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:12:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: using presets on the echoplex In-Reply-To: <20030624182854.18966.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030624173238.94742.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:28 AM 6/24/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: >I am using an echoplex with loop IV and a PMC10 midi >pedal. > >My question is on using presets in general. > >I set up everything to start with a program change >(which changes the preset in the echoplex to what ever >preset I want), then I set the note on and off info. >Is this the correct way to be doing this? you mean every midi command you have programmed for the echoplex starts with a program change for the presets? I can't quite understand why you would do that. is there some goal you have here? I could see if you had some special function you wanted to do, like changing 8ths/cycle at the same time as a halfspeed command, as was previously mentioned. But it seems strange to do it for every function all the time. Most people just set parameters a certain way and leave them. Some people have a few different settings they switch between once in a while. that's the point of presets. It just simplifies changing a bunch of parameters at once. on the occasions when you want to change them, you would send the program change for it, and then otherwise go about using the echoplex the same way. But I don't think very many people would have a reason to send a program change message every time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 24 21:44:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P1h3H02157; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:43:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:43:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF8FE21.7030308@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:42:57 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Reply-To: mmccabe@finleysound.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "loopers >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: New loop music online: Little Whales -- Kate's Jig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice work. I like the juxtaposition of the slide guitar and acoustic guitar. I'm afraid my crappy computer speakers aren't doing the piece justice. >dgoat said: > >Greetings all! > >Here is the latest addition to my "Little Whales" guitar loop project, >"Kate's Jig". > >http://littlewhales.thedivided.com > >I haven't made a new track since the end of April, mainly due to the >fact that've I've been doing a few industrial gigs and have been >re-building my recording system. Funny thing is, after spending about >$800 on upgrades, the system sounds pretty close to what it did before! >Sigh.... > > >Anyway, for "Kate's Jig" I used my usual method of building a base loop >over the period of about 3 days, and then I improvised another loop on >top of it during the mixdown. > >As always, comments are welcome. > >D.G. -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 00:09:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P48Bf14234; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:08:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:08:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030624221147.00a1a280@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:11:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question In-Reply-To: <20030624181954.17345.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030624173238.94742.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2nACC.A.ReD.rAS--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry, regardless of how good sync is on any looper, if you record a loop forward, and have it play in time with a drum machine, or some source, and then decide to reverse the loop, right then and there, you've disturbed the sync just by the very nature of what you've just done. Does this make sense? As an example, if you have a four beat loop playing along with a four beat measure on a drum machine, and then reverse the loop on beat three, then flip it forward again, one beat later, beat three of your loop will now be synched with beat 1 of the measure on the drum machin. I'll write it out below. 12323 12341 The top row are the beats of your loop, and reversal, and the bottom row are the beats on the drum machine's measure. You'll need to retrigger or realign the loop to bring it back into sync. -or, you could go on like that, and beat three of your loop would then always fall on beat 1 of your measure. They should still stay in relative sync, -just not the way you recorded the loop in the first place. Does this make sense? Anyway, -hope this helps... Smiles, Cara At 11:19 AM 6/24/03 -0700, you wrote: >> > (I have quantize on and set to LOP, 8th cycle is >> > set to 8, and sync is set to out, switch quant is >> > off. I set the tempo to 140.) If I need to change >> > any of these settings let me know. > >> I'm not sure I understand exactly what you want to >> do, but did you try with switch quant set to some >> value? > >Hi Per, > >Thanks for trying to help me out. >No I haven't tried setting the switch quant to some >value. What value should I set it for? > >> > I tried setting the half speed button to a >> > parameter with double the value of everything else > >> > and it did keep the drum machine at the same speed > >> > when I hit half speed but, If I hit half speed >> > again later to return it to normal speed, the drum >> > machine doubles it's speed. >> >> To use this workaround you need to program two >> different foot switch commands: >> >> 1) HalfSpeed/PC with 16 8th/cycle >> 2) FullSpeed/PC with 8 8th/cycle >> You can not use the "speedbutton" command. > >I will try that. > >> >It is also out of sync. > >> ...switch quant? ;-) > >I have this set to off. What sure it be set to? > >> > Are any of you out there able to use all of the >> > functions in the echoplex and keep a drum machine >> > going steady and in time for 10 minutes without >> > drifting, and without going schizoid when you hit >> > any button besides overdub? >> >> If that's what you want it might be a good idea to >> put the drum machine as master and slaving the EDP? > >I've tried using the echoplex as a master and slave >and had similar problems. > >> But then, this thread has been all about using the >> EDP as master with a slaved drum machine, or am I > >mistakenhere? > >I don't really care which is the master or slave as >long as it works and stays in sync. Which way stays in >sync best? > >Ideally it would be nice to be able to start a song >I'd programmed on the drum machine with a four count >countoff, then hit record on the echoplex and start >recoring along with the drum machine right away. Then >I'd like to be able to use the echoplex as I normally >would and it stay in synce with the drum machine even >if I played for 45 minutes which I frequently do. > >All the very best! >Terry > >> All the best >> >> Per Boysen >> > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 00:09:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P476714121; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:07:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:07:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.2079a7fb.2c2a79dd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:06:53 EDT Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16e.2079a7fb.2c2a79dd_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16e.2079a7fb.2c2a79dd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/24/03 4:16:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > The "essential recordings" section of Looper's Delight > pretty much stops in the early 80's. Surely something has happened since > then! > yep.....the works of the CT-COLLECTIVE, they dont get any loopier.....all of the cds that i have bought have all come from folks on LD.....i seldom if ever buy music from people that i do not know.....michael --part1_16e.2079a7fb.2c2a79dd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/24/0= 3 4:16:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


The "essential recordings" sect= ion of Looper's Delight
pretty much stops in the early 80's. Surely something has happened since the= n!


yep.....the works of the CT-COLLECTIVE, they dont get any loopier.....all of= the cds that i have bought have all come from folks on LD.....i seldom if e= ver buy music from people that i do not know.....michael --part1_16e.2079a7fb.2c2a79dd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 00:26:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P4P7015966; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:25:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:25:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030624223142.007a1100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:31:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The First Day, and Damage. as both of them demonstrate, most amazing, and very tasteful imcorporation of ambient looping with rhythm, -looping in a live situation, and looping in context of song structure and vocals. I'll write something better later, K? lol! Smiles, Cara At 01:15 PM 6/24/03 -0700, you wrote: >At 04:09 AM 6/21/2003, Michael Peters wrote: >>the Loopers Delight 'essential loop recordings' page needs updates. It >>contains some essential recordings reviews, but many are still missing. The >>page hasn't changed for quite a while now. >> >>So we need your contributions - please write reviews, and send them to me - >>but please send in only reviews of recordings that are truly essential. What >>is essential? Kim writes, >> >>>they might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were >>>first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music >>>where it hadn't been used before, or recordings/artists that influenced a >>>lot of people to become interested in looping or expand their abilities >>>as loopers, etc. > >Hi folks, >I'd really like to see some discussion of this. What are essential >recordings of the past couple decades that have influenced the use of >looping in music? The "essential recordings" section of Looper's Delight >pretty much stops in the early 80's. Surely something has happened since then! > >Let's start with the 90's. We've had a few years now to gain some >perspective. What were the influential looping recordings of that decade? >Surely there was a lot going on. Innovative artists from David Torn to Phil >Keaggy to Aphex Twin, an explosion of electronic music, a wide variety of >new looping tools being used in many different ways, etc. How about Andre >LaFosse from this list, who so many people mention? > >So let's hear it. What were 5 albums from the 90's that you think >influenced looping? (or influenced you and your looping.) Can you say >something short about each one about what makes it essential listening for >loopers? > >We can gather up some ideas and the more commonly mentioned items can get >enshrined in the "essential recordings" page. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 00:45:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P4iPq17658; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:44:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:44:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF9277C.9050503@iinet.net.au> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:39:24 +0800 From: not8ohm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030225 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-hk, en-au, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there, this is an interesting question. not being a regular reader of gear junky type magazines, its hard to know exactly what it is about the setups of particular bands that makes there sounds what they are. older recordings have had more time to be analysed, interviews conducted, whereas, recordings from the last decade have had less of this. so the following list is a list of bands whom I suspect, from their sound, incorporate some type of looping, or I have heard through rumour, or have seen live and can confirm. tortoise - their sound and arrangements lend to the presence of some sort of looping tools. after seeing them live I suspect the guitarist uses a looper, and perhaps some sort of looping is employed at the live mix as well. papa m - the first album by dave pajo under his pseudonym (ex-tortoise member too I think) features plenty of looping and I at least can confirm he is a boomerang user in the flesh. dirty three - I have been told that Jim White uses two boomerangs to fill out his guitar sound but I´ve no way to confirm this. Anyone know for sure? If true then everything the dirty three have done stands out as being non-loopy looping in this sense. waves of sound. stereolab - well, everything the lab does is loopy in so many ways, but I don´t actually think they employ any real-time looping devices. that said, early lab especially has inspired me to greatly to pursue the way of the loop. directions in music - there has to be some revese looping going on here. wonderful lush instrumental harmonising with smart arrangement offset by subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) use of looping. i have to also say that bands like godspeed you black emporer, a silver mt zion, black heart procession... all COULD use looping to make there sounds what they are, but I have no idea. the whole process of layered building crescendos of sound is one closely associated with looping for me. oh yes, and flying saucer attack´s use of feedback loops on a fourtrack remains one of the simplest and most effective uses of that other type of looping. beautiful - I cried (but that probably says more about me than the music, i don´t know). cheers michael noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 00:45:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P4i5n17621; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030624225039.0082b5a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:50:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030624221147.00a1a280@pop.earthlink.net> References: <20030624181954.17345.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> <20030624173238.94742.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -or quantize your functions as Kim suggested. -Thanks Kim... Laters, C At 10:11 PM 6/24/03 -0600, you wrote: > Terry, regardless of how good sync is on any looper, if you record a loop >forward, and have it play in time with a drum machine, or some source, and >then decide to reverse the loop, right then and there, you've disturbed the >sync just by the very nature of what you've just done. Does this make >sense? As an example, if you have a four beat loop playing along with a >four beat measure on a drum machine, and then reverse the loop on beat >three, then flip it forward again, one beat later, beat three of your loop >will now be synched with beat 1 of the measure on the drum machin. I'll >write it out below. > >12323 >12341 > >The top row are the beats of your loop, and reversal, and the bottom row >are the beats on the drum machine's measure. You'll need to retrigger or >realign the loop to bring it back into sync. -or, you could go on like >that, and beat three of your loop would then always fall on beat 1 of your >measure. They should still stay in relative sync, -just not the way you >recorded the loop in the first place. Does this make sense? > Anyway, -hope this helps... > >Smiles, > >Cara > >At 11:19 AM 6/24/03 -0700, you wrote: >>> > (I have quantize on and set to LOP, 8th cycle is >>> > set to 8, and sync is set to out, switch quant is >>> > off. I set the tempo to 140.) If I need to change >>> > any of these settings let me know. >> >>> I'm not sure I understand exactly what you want to >>> do, but did you try with switch quant set to some >>> value? >> >>Hi Per, >> >>Thanks for trying to help me out. >>No I haven't tried setting the switch quant to some >>value. What value should I set it for? >> >>> > I tried setting the half speed button to a >>> > parameter with double the value of everything else >> >>> > and it did keep the drum machine at the same speed >> >>> > when I hit half speed but, If I hit half speed >>> > again later to return it to normal speed, the drum >>> > machine doubles it's speed. >>> >>> To use this workaround you need to program two >>> different foot switch commands: >>> >>> 1) HalfSpeed/PC with 16 8th/cycle >>> 2) FullSpeed/PC with 8 8th/cycle >>> You can not use the "speedbutton" command. >> >>I will try that. >> >>> >It is also out of sync. >> >>> ...switch quant? ;-) >> >>I have this set to off. What sure it be set to? >> >>> > Are any of you out there able to use all of the >>> > functions in the echoplex and keep a drum machine >>> > going steady and in time for 10 minutes without >>> > drifting, and without going schizoid when you hit >>> > any button besides overdub? >>> >>> If that's what you want it might be a good idea to >>> put the drum machine as master and slaving the EDP? >> >>I've tried using the echoplex as a master and slave >>and had similar problems. >> >>> But then, this thread has been all about using the >>> EDP as master with a slaved drum machine, or am I >> >mistakenhere? >> >>I don't really care which is the master or slave as >>long as it works and stays in sync. Which way stays in >>sync best? >> >>Ideally it would be nice to be able to start a song >>I'd programmed on the drum machine with a four count >>countoff, then hit record on the echoplex and start >>recoring along with the drum machine right away. Then >>I'd like to be able to use the echoplex as I normally >>would and it stay in synce with the drum machine even >>if I played for 45 minutes which I frequently do. >> >>All the very best! >>Terry >> >>> All the best >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >>http://sbc.yahoo.com >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 01:42:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P5c4j22144; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:38:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:38:01 -0700 Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EF9277C.9050503@iinet.net.au> Message-Id: <2F512928-A6CF-11D7-B708-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't forget Radiohead. A lot of there last 3 albums have distinct live looping on them, and "Hail to the Thief" (the new one) is no different. Some people can't get by Tom's whiney vocals, but I think it's pretty interesting and the song writing is great, IMO. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 01:54:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P5qbm23033; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:52:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:52:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625055236.52929.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030624225039.0082b5a0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That doesn't make sense. I am using quantized functions, and if you look at the screen when you hit reverse it actually reverses the order of the loop. 1234 to 4321. Using quantized functions if you hit the reverse button at the right spots (which I did) it I'd think it SHOULD come right back to where it started. Terry -- Goddess wrote: > -or quantize your functions as Kim > suggested. > -Thanks Kim... > > Laters, > > C > > At 10:11 PM 6/24/03 -0600, you wrote: > > Terry, regardless of how good sync is on any > looper, if you record a loop > >forward, and have it play in time with a drum > machine, or some source, and > >then decide to reverse the loop, right then and > there, you've disturbed the > >sync just by the very nature of what you've just > done. Does this make > >sense? As an example, if you have a four beat loop > playing along with a > >four beat measure on a drum machine, and then > reverse the loop on beat > >three, then flip it forward again, one beat later, > beat three of your loop > >will now be synched with beat 1 of the measure on > the drum machin. I'll > >write it out below. > > > >12323 > >12341 > > > >The top row are the beats of your loop, and > reversal, and the bottom row > >are the beats on the drum machine's measure. > You'll need to retrigger or > >realign the loop to bring it back into sync. -or, > you could go on like > >that, and beat three of your loop would then always > fall on beat 1 of your > >measure. They should still stay in relative sync, > -just not the way you > >recorded the loop in the first place. Does this > make sense? > > Anyway, -hope this helps... > > > >Smiles, > > > >Cara > > > >At 11:19 AM 6/24/03 -0700, you wrote: > >>> > (I have quantize on and set to LOP, 8th cycle > is > >>> > set to 8, and sync is set to out, switch quant > is > >>> > off. I set the tempo to 140.) If I need to > change > >>> > any of these settings let me know. > >> > >>> I'm not sure I understand exactly what you want > to > >>> do, but did you try with switch quant set to > some > >>> value? > >> > >>Hi Per, > >> > >>Thanks for trying to help me out. > >>No I haven't tried setting the switch quant to > some > >>value. What value should I set it for? > >> > >>> > I tried setting the half speed button to a > >>> > parameter with double the value of everything > else > >> > >>> > and it did keep the drum machine at the same > speed > >> > >>> > when I hit half speed but, If I hit half speed > > >>> > again later to return it to normal speed, the > drum > >>> > machine doubles it's speed. > >>> > >>> To use this workaround you need to program two > >>> different foot switch commands: > >>> > >>> 1) HalfSpeed/PC with 16 8th/cycle > >>> 2) FullSpeed/PC with 8 8th/cycle > >>> You can not use the "speedbutton" command. > >> > >>I will try that. > >> > >>> >It is also out of sync. > >> > >>> ...switch quant? ;-) > >> > >>I have this set to off. What sure it be set to? > >> > >>> > Are any of you out there able to use all of > the > >>> > functions in the echoplex and keep a drum > machine > >>> > going steady and in time for 10 minutes > without > >>> > drifting, and without going schizoid when you > hit > >>> > any button besides overdub? > >>> > >>> If that's what you want it might be a good idea > to > >>> put the drum machine as master and slaving the > EDP? > >> > >>I've tried using the echoplex as a master and > slave > >>and had similar problems. > >> > >>> But then, this thread has been all about using > the > >>> EDP as master with a slaved drum machine, or am > I > >> >mistakenhere? > >> > >>I don't really care which is the master or slave > as > >>long as it works and stays in sync. Which way > stays in > >>sync best? > >> > >>Ideally it would be nice to be able to start a > song > >>I'd programmed on the drum machine with a four > count > >>countoff, then hit record on the echoplex and > start > >>recoring along with the drum machine right away. > Then > >>I'd like to be able to use the echoplex as I > normally > >>would and it stay in synce with the drum machine > even > >>if I played for 45 minutes which I frequently do. > >> > >>All the very best! > >>Terry > >> > >>> All the best > >>> > >>> Per Boysen > >>> > >> > >>__________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > >>http://sbc.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > > > >--- > > > > "The only things I really think are important, > are love, and eachother. > >-Then, anything is possible..." > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are > love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 02:09:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P67HT23896; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:07:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:07:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c33ae0$125c25a0$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030624173238.94742.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030624170505.01e73ff8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: using presets on the echoplex Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:07:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Keep misusing the Echoplex. You're probably onto something innovative. No shit. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: Re: using presets on the echoplex > At 11:28 AM 6/24/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: > >I am using an echoplex with loop IV and a PMC10 midi > >pedal. > > > >My question is on using presets in general. > > > >I set up everything to start with a program change > >(which changes the preset in the echoplex to what ever > >preset I want), then I set the note on and off info. > >Is this the correct way to be doing this? > > you mean every midi command you have programmed for the echoplex starts > with a program change for the presets? I can't quite understand why you > would do that. is there some goal you have here? I could see if you had > some special function you wanted to do, like changing 8ths/cycle at the > same time as a halfspeed command, as was previously mentioned. But it seems > strange to do it for every function all the time. > > Most people just set parameters a certain way and leave them. Some people > have a few different settings they switch between once in a while. that's > the point of presets. It just simplifies changing a bunch of parameters at > once. on the occasions when you want to change them, you would send the > program change for it, and then otherwise go about using the echoplex the > same way. But I don't think very many people would have a reason to send a > program change message every time. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 02:16:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P6Fr324757; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:15:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:15:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625061551.90924.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:15:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: using presets on the echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624170505.01e73ff8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, Thanks. My reasoning was that if I wanted everything to have an 8th cycle of 8 except one, and I had one of the functions set with a preset using an 16 on the 8ths cycle, that if I switched to it and then switch back, the preset would stay on that preset with the 8th cycle still set to 16, unless I had all the other functions set with a program change to return to a preset with the 8th cycle set to 8. Is my logic illogical here? All the very best! Terry -- Kim Flint wrote: > At 11:28 AM 6/24/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: > >I am using an echoplex with loop IV and a PMC10 > midi > >pedal. > > > >My question is on using presets in general. > > > >I set up everything to start with a program change > >(which changes the preset in the echoplex to what > ever > >preset I want), then I set the note on and off > info. > >Is this the correct way to be doing this? > > you mean every midi command you have programmed for > the echoplex starts > with a program change for the presets? I can't quite > understand why you > would do that. is there some goal you have here? I > could see if you had > some special function you wanted to do, like > changing 8ths/cycle at the > same time as a halfspeed command, as was previously > mentioned. But it seems > strange to do it for every function all the time. > > Most people just set parameters a certain way and > leave them. Some people > have a few different settings they switch between > once in a while. that's > the point of presets. It just simplifies changing a > bunch of parameters at > once. on the occasions when you want to change them, > you would send the > program change for it, and then otherwise go about > using the echoplex the > same way. But I don't think very many people would > have a reason to send a > program change message every time. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 02:19:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P6I0t24955; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:21:27 -0500 Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EF9277C.9050503@iinet.net.au> Message-Id: <40E91A8A-A6D5-11D7-9CDA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 11:39 PM, not8ohm wrote: > i have to also say that bands like godspeed you black emporer, a > silver mt zion, black heart procession... all COULD use looping to > make there i don't think GSY!BE use any looping tools, but ... there is one indie rock recording which comes to mind as ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY ESSENTIAL listening for loopers of the phrase persuasion, but it's not commercially available. it's a bootleg of Don Cabellero's last tour. what Ian Williams can do with 3 headrushes is just amazing. they recorded this album in the studio (American Don), which had like 3-5 guitar tracks on every song. they're a three piece, so when it came to tour time Ian got himself a couple more Headrushes and figured out how to _duplicate_ his guitar tracks on the album for the tour. i have a boot of their last tour and i swear to god you could put it next to the album and they'd probably line up! as far as how they sound it's quite a bit like 80s crimson with tube amps and the 70s Bruford playing drums. i find it very enjoyable. eric/stg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 02:31:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P6TTu25668; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:29:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:29:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625062927.84641.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624154511.0213a630@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, Thanks for trying to help. I have read both manuals through about 6 times each now. There's a lot to comprehend. How do you have these functions set on your echoplex that keeps yours in sync: quantize 8th cycle switch quant round mode sync If I missed anything, please tell me what the key settings for each of the key functions on your echoplex that keeps your echoplex working in sync like you say it is. All the very best! Terry --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 02:38 AM 6/24/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: > >I can't get it to stay in sync at all for any > length > >of time. I tried having the echoplex out to the > DR670 > >in and then tried reversing it with the DR670 out > to > >the Echoplex in. > > you are sort of unclear about what exactly the > trouble is. Here you say it > doesn't sync at all, which implies it is drifting. > Then below you indicate > it does sync after the initial record and only gets > off the sync when you > use certain functions. That implies the problem is > you are de-aligning the > loop from the drum machine, not necessarily losing > sync. > > >(I have quantize on and set to LOP, 8th cycle is > set > >to 8, and sync is set to out, switch quant is off.I > >set the tempo to 140.) > > and are you certain that you have the DR670 set up > to receive midi clock? > > Does it start up from the startsong message of the > Echoplex, and then play > at the right tempo? > > > >Using the echoplex out to the DR670 in the echoplex > >goes a whole bar before it even turns the drum > machine > >on. > > that is how it normally works for the basic form of > sync, when you don't > use the new TempoSelect functions. The echoplex has > no idea how long the > loop will be before you finish recording it, so it > obviously doesn't know > what tempo the clock should be. It waits until you > finish the recording (so > it knows how long the loop is and therefore the > tempo). Then it sends a > startsong and the clock. > > If you want the Echoplex to know the tempo in > advance and send clocks and > startsongs before recording, you use TempoSelect. > > >I want it to start the drum machine when I hit > >record. > > > >Or better yet it would be nice to be able to start > the > >drum machine and then be able to hit record > whenever I > >wanted to start the echoplex. > > As I said yesterday, you use the TempoSelect > functions to do that. Did you > try them? These features allow you to do exactly > what you are asking for. > > > >It stays in sync as long as I don't hit any buttons > >except overdub. If I hit reverse it is totally out > of > >sync when I hit reverse to go back to forward > again. > > > >If I hit half speed it is out of sync when I go > back > >to normal speed. > > It sounds to me like you are using these functions > unquantized, in which > case of course it goes out of phase with the drum > loop in the drum machine. > If you reverse the loop for a while and then > unreverse, the loop will be > shifted by that much. This is called DeAligning the > loop, because you end > up shifting the startpoint of the Echoplex loop away > from the external > loop. However, even when you do this you do not lose > sync. The loops still > stay locked together, they are just shifted out of > phase with each other. > > LoopIV now has the magic ReAlign and StartSong > commands. The Echoplex keeps > track of all the DeAligning you do with reverse and > halfspeed and > retriggering and such. Then when you can use the > ReAlign commands to put it > back automatically. > > If you don't want the loop going out of phase with > the drum machine loop in > the first place, which it sounds to me you don't, > then you should always > use reverse and halfspeed quantized. This way they > always wait until the > next downbeat of the loop before they start, and the > beats stay lined up. > When you switch back to forward (or full speed), it > again waits for the > downbeat. This way you keep regular, in-phase > rhythm. > > > >I tried setting the half speed button to a > parameter > >with double the value of everything else and it did > >keep the drum machine at the same speed when I hit > >half speed but, If I hit half speed again later to > >return it to normal speed, the drum machine doubles > >it's speed. > > it sounds to me like your second command did not set > the 8ths/cycle back to > whatever it was when you started. > > >If there is a clear explanation in the loop IV > manual > >of how to make the echoplex work in time with a > drum > >machine I can't find it. > > there is the whole chapter on the new sync commands > in the LoopIV upgrade > manual. That manual is mainly meant for people > familiar with using sync in > LoopIII, since the LoopIV manual only explains the > new features. It does > explains them fairly thoroughly, and hopefully > clearly. Since your > questions are not referring to any of that stuff, I > guess you haven't read > it yet. > > There is also the information on using sync with the > echoplex in the FAQ on > the Looper's Delight web site: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ3.html > > and in the older echoplex manual in the sections on > Sync and 8ths/cycle. > > and if you search the list archives you will > hundreds of past discussions > on this topic. > > > > >Are any of you out there able to use all of the > >functions in the echoplex and keep a drum machine > >going steady and in time for 10 minutes without > >drifting, and without going schizoid when you hit > any > >button besides overdub? > > yes, I've been doing it the whole time I was writing > this mail. I record > the drum loop from the sequencer into the echoplex > and let them play > together in sync. Then I play with switching > half-speed and reverse, > changing 8ths/cycle, playing with the mix knob, etc. > Going It's a great > way to make a boring drum loop into a more live and > interesting drumloop. > > >It's a good thing I didn't try using a drum machine > >with the echoplex when I first got it or it would > have > >gone straight back to Guitar Center. Another couple > of > >nights like tonight and it may end up on e-bay. > > you mean the drum machine or the echoplex? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 02:36:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P6Za026174; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:35:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:39:02 -0500 Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030624223142.007a1100@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 11:31 PM, Goddess wrote: > The First Day, and Damage. as both of them demonstrate, most > amazing, > and very tasteful imcorporation of ambient looping with rhythm, > -looping in > a live situation, and looping in context of song structure and vocals. i would second Cara's motion regarding Damage, and add to it David Torn's Tripping Over God. everytime i listen to that album i'm amazed by it's confluence of ethnic feels (blues and arabic come to mind) tempered by truly visceral (yet brainy) fuzz guitar. as far as a review, i should ask my friend Nathan to submit one ... he was profoundly affected by that recording. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 02:57:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P6uKp27270; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:56:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:56:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625065619.78988.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: RE: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c33a7f$6bbaaec0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. I had set up the tempo I wanted for this song in a preset and saved it. Do I have to do this manually each time? All the very best! Terry ========================== > > > Kim pointed out the TempoSelect feature yesterday. I > hadn't tried it > before, and spent last night using it, and it does > exactly what you're > asking for here, as long as you've created the > requisite countoff bars > on your drum machine yourself, programmed into your > song. > > Its on Page 14 of the Loop IV manual. While in reset > (no loop playing) > and with sync=out press undo, adjust tempo with > feedback knob or pedal, > press undo again. Clock should be sent to your > slaved drum machine and > it will play. Wait for your cue, Press record on EDP > and create your > loop in sync. > > Neil > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 03:10:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P7A7u27960; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625071006.98800.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only person I'd ever heard doing looping besides myself until I joined this list was Robert Fripp, (and Adrian Belew did little bits of it here and there). Steve Reich was my main infulence for looping type of music but he was doing it live with a bunch of musicians and not using any kind of tape recorders or ditigal looping devices when I saw him live. Since joining the list I just bought some David Torn CDs. Tripping Over God, and What Means Solid Traveller, are very good except when he tries to sing. This didn't infulence my CDs though as I recorded mine before he did his. All of Steve Tibbets CDs are very good. I had three of his lps and liked them but had no idea he was looping until I joined this list. Bill Nelson was a big influence on me but I don't know if he ever used looping. Listening back to his music now it sounds like he did, though I didn't know it back then. I think my Terry Blankenship - Entering The Silence CD was unique for 1985, and my Trance Godz - Trance World CD from 2000 used looping in a way that no one had did before. All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 03:18:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P7HA028440; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:17:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c33ae9$6822adc0$b736893e@i7w6a5> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <20030620061120.16505.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c337dc$a169bca0$3e0d883e@i7w6a5> <005a01c33828$ae2ae580$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: loop america? Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:14:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok - drew a blank on my original request. Could anyone please send me the phone no/email address of venues in america where I can contact the porprieters to arrange a gig for myself? My stuffs quite world musicish, looped up, often chilled though sometimes intense, live laptop processing with ethnic vocal samples and drum loops interspersed with occasional natural sounds. Any help greatly appreciated. Cheers, Gareth - Mantra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 03:21:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P7LD728722; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:21:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:21:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625072112.65465.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:21:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: RE: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030625065619.78988.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am starting to see some light through the trees here thanks to you. There are still a couple of things I need to work out. I am correct in assuming that you really need to be working with all quantized functions and with the switch quant turned on, to keep loops synced up with a drum machine no matter how you are manipulating the echoplex? I didn't have the switch quant on before. All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 03:25:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P7OBe29052; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625072410.40853.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:24:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030625071006.98800.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw the Irish lead vocalist form Afro Celt Sound System performing solo in Sligo ireland a few years a go singing to a bunch of loops he'd done and he was amazing. I can't remember his name right now. Really nice guy though. All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 03:27:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P7L8N28693; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:21:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:21:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: essential loop recordings Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:25:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: SIW2coZEoeO5zp3qwhR6WqRChzen8TjEtu1PTg9ctBtCS9-X95CfEr@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the idea here is that the most essential loop albums should be not only listed, but portrayed in detail, or reviewed, on the website. so, as some of you already did - if you think that an album deserves a place on the essential loop recordings page, please write a short paragraph about it, describing what makes it so essential. = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 04:20:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P8GGF32364; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <69.39b0bbc2.2c2ab445@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:16:05 EDT Subject: Re:EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <8Keu.A.j5H.QpV--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Since I got LOOP4 I have found that whenever I'm ending an unrounded > multiply with record my EDP goes back to loop 1 (if I'm not already in > loop 1). Why? check SwitchQuant it's not set to OnE is it? That's a function I use a lot, and never came across that problem. Try going to loop no 2 and just hitting Record. ...............what happens? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 04:25:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P8Miv00435; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:22:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.16ceb397.2c2ab5cf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:22:39 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It stays in sync as long as I don't hit any buttons > except overdub. If I hit reverse it is totally out of > sync when I hit reverse to go back to forward again. > > If I hit half speed it is out of sync when I go back > to normal speed. > TERRY ...........set Quantise=LOP > It should stay in sync no matter what. The EDP will shift a loop a small amount to put it in sync, but if it's further out it let's it run free. This allows us to de-sync and re-sync at will. Before I became involved with the Loop4 software, Claude Voit & Matthias spent a lot of time on the MIDI sync, maybe a couple of years ! check out Claude's music if you want to see if it works :-) I did beta testing on a couple of EDPs, and removed the brothersync connection to see how they would sync just by MIDI, ...there was a significant improvement over Loop3, the machines were more or less phase accurate together (though not sample accurate like with brothersync) ....and of course, Kim did a lot of testing, and he's pretty fussy about such things . andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 04:25:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P8K1v32574; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:20:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:20:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF95A0F.729F6635@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:15:11 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings References: <20030625071006.98800.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Terry, Terry Blankenship wrote: > I think my Terry Blankenship - Entering The Silence CD > was unique for 1985, and my Trance Godz - Trance World > CD from 2000 used looping in a way that no one had did > before. Could I ask you to expand on this, and provide some details as to what you really feel most strongly are the unique aspects about them? I've listened to the three Trance Godz tracks on your mp3.com page, and they're very well produced and executed. But to my ears, the looping content is basically e-bowed ambient guitar pads that are swirling around some sequenced rhythm tracks. Again, it sounds really good - I'm not trying to knock your stuff at all - but the concept of using ambient guitar loops over dance rhythms has been going on for a very long time. Mr. Fripp himself did that with a techno act called the Orb in the mid-'90s, Michael Brook was doing live guitar looping with sequences around the turn of the decade (maybe the late '80s), Torn did it on the mid-'90s CMP solo records and the Splattercell album which was finished in '99 and released in 2000, and Fripp even had a late-'70s thing called "discotronics" that was about putting his tape loops over dance rhythms. This is all just to name a few, of course... So, could you go into some detail as to what sets the Trance Godz recordings apart in terms of using looping in an unprecendented manner? I haven't heard your 1985 album, but here again, could you offer some details as to what makes it unique for its time, particularly in relation to other loopists from that era like Pauline Oliveros, Gary Hall, Matthias Grob, David Torn, Paul Dresher, or Bill Frisell? Best, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 04:26:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P845i31849; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625080403.98372.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: using presets on the echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030625061551.90924.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, Some preset questions: If you didn't have each function set to start with a preset change; Would they all be whatever preset came on when you turned on the echoplex, which would be the last preset you had loaded when you turned it off, with whatever changes you had done to it? If you had one function set to change the program for a different preset, would everything else stay in that new preset when you used the other functions? If you wanted to change a preset on the fly for the whole echoplex, how would you do it? Could you have one patch on your midi pedal set to only change the preset, and if you did this would it stay that way when you used different funtions? All the very best! Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 04:37:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P8XNi01414; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:33:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:33:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF95D33.98899788@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:28:35 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: using presets on the echoplex References: <20030625080403.98372.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Terry, Terry Blankenship wrote: > Kim, Picture me with a purple ponytail mullett as I answer these: > Some preset questions: > > If you didn't have each function set to start with a > preset change; > > Would they all be whatever preset came on when you > turned on the echoplex, which would be the last preset > you had loaded when you turned it off, with whatever > changes you had done to it? When you turn it on, the EDP will remember whatever the parameter settings were when it was last turned on. > If you had one function set to change the program for > a different preset, would everything else stay in that > new preset when you used the other functions? Yes. > If you wanted to change a preset on the fly for the > whole echoplex, how would you do it? Send a program change command via MIDI, or use the Preset parameter on the front panel. > Could you have > one patch on your midi pedal set to only change the > preset, and if you did this would it stay that way > when you used different funtions? Yes. I have a suggestion, Terry: before you get too wrapped up in switching between different presets with different parameter settings, I would strongly recommend that you spend some time with one set of parameters, and experiment with the differences that changing just one parameter can make. I understand that you're trying to do things with sync and a drum machine that require fairly sophisticated combinations of functions and parameters. But some of the questions you're asking lead me to suspect that you're not entirely clear on how certain parameters would impact certain types of functions (things like roundmode, for instance, which doesn't affect sync at all, or switchquant, which would only impact sync if you're using more than one loop). You've bought a very deep new instrument, and - just as a highly skilled Hammond organ player would need time to learn the interface of a new digital workstation synthesizer - anyone in your position would need to take time to learn some of the fundamental concepts that the EDP is based upon. What I sometimes see happen with people who dive in too quickly into the EDP is that they learn to do certain things with it as a result of memorizing specific parameter settings... but they don't necessarily understand the basic principles that these functions are based on, because they've tried to take on more advanced function combinations without understanding how they're interrelated. So, I would very highly recommend that you take time to learn the EDP from the ground up. Pick one function, see what different parameters are related to it, and how that function is impacted by other functions as well. The more you explore any one aspect of the EDP, the more the whole thing will come into focus. It'll take longer to learn, but you'll be building a strong foundation of knowledge, and you'll start making connections between different functions and parameters, because you'll understand the basic architectural principles that these different elements are based on. Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 05:10:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P95kA02960; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625090545.14109.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:05:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: using presets on the echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EF95D33.98899788@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andre, Thanks for answering those questions. That helped. Thanks for your suggestions as well. I've been doing just that for the last month all night ever night literally. It's a deep machine with a lot of possibilities. Remember that I am currently working on a CD with Billy Cobham's old keyboard player incorporating my style with his Mahavishnu Orchestra like style which involves many different unusual timings, and polyrhythms. In fact I was told today that Billy could possibly be involved in the project. Fitting the echoplex into this style of music is a challenge to say the least. I need to know the echoplex inside and out. This list is helping a lot. All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 05:23:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5P9LuH03859; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625092155.98375.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EF95A0F.729F6635@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andre, I can't. If you can't hear it I can't explain it to you. I'm very right brained. I think of my music in surreallist images and colors, etc. I'll see if I can dig out some reviews from when those recordings first came out. They got some amazing reviews at the time. Listen to my track "Fire Dance". http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=8223 The fact of the matter is that I was doing this before everyone except Fripp and Eno. Whether anyone is aware of it or not. If anyone else was attempting anything even close back then, I certainly wasn't aware of it. All the very best! Terry --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > Hello Terry, > > Terry Blankenship wrote: > > I think my Terry Blankenship - Entering The > > Silence CD was unique for 1985, and my Trance Godz > > Trance World CD from 2000 used looping in a way > > that no one had did before. > Could I ask you to expand on this, and provide some > details as to what you really feel most strongly are > the unique aspects about them? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 06:12:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PA75m06233; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:07:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:06:57 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000101c33b01$8447f420$c51d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c33a92$8ac505f0$bf1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5PA75B06208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Since I got LOOP4 I have found that whenever I'm ending an > unrounded multiply with record my EDP goes back to loop 1 (if > I'm not already in loop 1). Why? Hi again, Since I only got one reaction to this post (from Kim, advicing me to post more details) I'll post the details to the list: SwitchQuant = off Record mode = SAF Overdub = toggle RoundMode = off Insert mode = Sub Quantize = 8th Sync = Out The "jumping-to-loop1" effect happens with just any of the settings for the following parameters: SwitchQuant, RoundMode, Record mode, Insert mode. I'm curious if other Loop4 users experience the same thing? If you play with the memory fully divided into 16 loops it could be a bit awkward. Personally I'm used to playing with only 4 loops (MooreLoops=4) and I could always perform three quick steps on the NextLoop button whenever I have truncated a loop at the fourth memory division and gotten thrown back to loop 1. I'm using all midi control from a Behringer FCB1010 pedal. I don't have the original analogue Gibson pedal handy for testing. All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 07:01:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PB03g09926; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:00:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:00:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625110002.22455.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624154511.0213a630@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After another all all nighter I finally got the echoplex to sycn up with my drum machine and stay in sync while I manipulated my loops. I couldn't have done it without Kim, Andy, Per, in particular and others on this list. Thanks for all your help. Next on my agenda is to learn to use the echoplex in different timings and switch between them, and polyrhythms. The music I am working on now changes timings constantly and is using polyrhythms, like King Crimson, Mahavishnu Orchestra, or Balinese Gamalaon music, etc. So I need to learn how to use the presets and 8th cycles really well next. All the very best! Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 07:01:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PAtTZ09711; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:55:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:55:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <059f01c33b08$530576b0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <20030625072410.40853.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:24:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Terry Carla O'Leonard is the singer. The unaccompanied style of singing is called Sean Nos (old style). Great band, their 4th Cd is due out soon if not just released already. Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Re: essential loop recordings > I saw the Irish lead vocalist form Afro Celt Sound > System performing solo in Sligo ireland a few years a > go singing to a bunch of loops he'd done and he was > amazing. I can't remember his name right now. Really > nice guy though. > > All the very best! > Terry > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 07:03:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PB2ar10157; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:02:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:02:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625110235.98370.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <059f01c33b08$530576b0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul. Thanks! That's right. I spent some time with him in Sligo but had forgotten his name. Really nice guy and a great singer. All the very nest! Terry --- Paul Marshall wrote: > Hey Terry > > Carla O'Leonard is the singer. The unaccompanied > style of singing is called > Sean Nos (old style). > > Great band, their 4th Cd is due out soon if not just > released already. > > Paul > ---------------------- > Paul Marshall > Portfolio Sound Artist > http://www.powerhaus.net > http://www.drumdojo.com > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > www.dacapo.co.uk > Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 > Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Blankenship" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:24 AM > Subject: Re: essential loop recordings > > > > I saw the Irish lead vocalist form Afro Celt Sound > > System performing solo in Sligo ireland a few > years a > > go singing to a bunch of loops he'd done and he > was > > amazing. I can't remember his name right now. > Really > > nice guy though. > > > > All the very best! > > Terry > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 07:41:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PBcXT12555; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:38:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:38:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF98898.5824BDC8@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:33:44 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings References: <20030625092155.98375.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again Terry, You said, >> I think my Terry Blankenship - Entering The >> Silence CD was unique for 1985, and my Trance Godz >> Trance World CD from 2000 used looping in a way >> that no one had did before. I asked, > Could I ask you to expand on this, and provide some > details as to what you really feel most strongly are > the unique aspects about them? And you replied, > I can't. If you can't hear it I can't explain it to > you. Terry, every track of yours I've heard has featured rubato E-bow drones that ebb and flow in shifting layers. Now, I consider myself reasonably well-versed in the concept of guitar looping, and I've heard many, many guitarists and bassists do the ambient ebowed drone thing, and I really don't hear anything in your particular use of this technique that dramatically sets it apart from countless other examples of ambient looping I've heard. > I'll see if I can > dig out some reviews from when those recordings first > came out. They got some amazing reviews at the time. I'm delighted that you've gotten good press for your work, Terry, but what I'm asking you to do is to place your work in the proper historical context of a technique which MANY people other than yourself and Robert have been using for at least 35 years. If these reviews can do that, then I'd be happy to look at them, and perhaps educate myself as to subtleties that I might be missing. If they're simply praising your music, then I'm glad you're getting recognition for your work, but that doesn't negate the historical reality of the situation, regardless of whether you or any of your reviewers might have been aware of the greater context of what other people have been doing for five decades. > Listen to my track "Fire Dance". > http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=8223 > > The fact of the matter is that I was doing this before > everyone except Fripp and Eno. Whether anyone is aware > of it or not. Terry, "Fire Dance" is dated as being made in 2000. and I hear some layered Ebowed guitar loops floating around some dance rhythms. If you honestly think no one other than yourself has looped Ebow guitar between "No Pussyfooting" and your 2000 track, or even done that with dance music as a foundation, then you're in very desperate need of an education. If, instead, you're referring to the 12-year gap between "No Pussyfooting" and "Entering the Silence," then you're still wrong. Terry Riley's "Rainbow in Curved Air" came out five years before the first Fripp and Eno record. Other people from the San Francisco Tape Music Center, like Pauline Oliveros, Ramon Sender, and Morton Subotnick were doing very similar work concurrent with Terry, and continued to do so afterwards. David Torn started looping around 1975, ten years before your solo album was released. Jazz guys like Jaco Pastorious, David Friesen, and Les McCann were doing it in the '70s. Paul Dresher put out an album with guitar looping on it in 1983 (http://dresherensemble.org/recordings/pdrecordings.html), and had other tape looping work dating several years before that. Terry, you're a very good musician, and you have an impressive resume. But if you want to come onto a six and a half year old looping mailing list and offer up your own albums as examples of "essential loop recordings," you really need to put them into a proper historical and technical context if you want to be taken seriously. > If anyone else was attempting anything > even close back then, I certainly wasn't aware of it. Here are a couple of historical essays written by people who have done their homework: http://livelooping.com/researchpaper/index.htm http://www.audiomidi.com/classroom/software/loops_part1.cfm?cpid=70 Both of these are written by guys who have listened to many, many hours of looping, culled from the mid-sixties to the present day. You yourself say that until you joined this list a month or so ago, you didn't even know anyone other than yourself and Robert have done this. Not being aware of a few decades of history doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. If you want to be recognized as some sort of pioneer of looping, I would very respectfully ask you to make at least a cursory effort to place yourself into the existing, well-documented historical basis that already exists. Anyway... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 07:52:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PBo1R13295; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:50:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:50:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:49:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: The Bounciest of Squirrels... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > OK, I think I fixed it. It was the space. So, you can now find it >here: > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/BouncySquirrels.wav > > So lemme' know if it works, and what ya think, K? Have an even more >bouncy evening!... > >Bouncily yours, er, no, file not found... also, can I download the files? seems the browser only wants to stream it? thank you Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 08:50:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PCjDv19562; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:45:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:45:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625124506.7229.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030624231134.56401.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- Kim Flint wrote: > > So let's hear it. What were 5 albums from the 90's > > that you think > > influenced looping? (or influenced you and your > > looping.) Can you say > > something short about each one about what makes it > > essential listening for loopers? There seems to be some equivocation regarding the criteria here. While I certainly respect Andre's view that 'essential listening' should mean that it's Important (with a capital i), unique and deserving of its place in historical context, Kim's request *does* include that parenthetical part allowing for the subjectivity of personal influence. That seems to open the door to an nth degree thing; just as Allan Holdsworth has stated that the biggest influence on his guitar style was the way a saxophone plays legato, it's possible that a recording that doesn't even include looping may be an important influence on a looper. For example, the repetition in gnawa might inspire someone to try to achieve a similar feel but with a guitar and an EDP rather than a large group of sentirs and percussion. Or, as in a couple of the examples some of us gave, a musician doing sound collage by assembling samples on a computer but not actually doing realtime looping might give someone the impetus to try to do a similar thing live with real-time instrumentation, and as such is certainly an influence on that musician's approach to looping. So Terry's inclusion of one of his own albums *does* in some ways fit the criteria of Kim's request, particularly in light of Terry's claim that he developed his looping style without knowledge of those musicians Andre listed (and many others) who were indeed looping prior to that time. Should Kim's question be rephrased to specify that "Essential Loop Recordings" must competitively earn their inclusion by featuring the first known example of a particular technique, must feature specific equipment and/or must be widely known? Or should we go with the "what were five albums from the 90's that influenced you and your looping" aspect? I think either way would be valid, but they'd be very different lists! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 09:05:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PD45k21139; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05d101c33b1a$4995d310$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <20030625110235.98370.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:59:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote >Carla O'Leonard is the singer< I meant Iarla, (pronounced Yarla) Damned spellcheckers :) Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: Re: essential loop recordings > Hi Paul. > > Thanks! That's right. I spent some time with him in > Sligo but had forgotten his name. > > Really nice guy and a great singer. > > All the very nest! > Terry > > > --- Paul Marshall wrote: > > Hey Terry > > > > . The unaccompanied > > style of singing is called > > Sean Nos (old style). > > > > Great band, their 4th Cd is due out soon if not just > > released already. > > > > Paul > > ---------------------- > > Paul Marshall > > Portfolio Sound Artist > > http://www.powerhaus.net > > http://www.drumdojo.com > > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > > www.dacapo.co.uk > > Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 > > Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Terry Blankenship" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:24 AM > > Subject: Re: essential loop recordings > > > > > > > I saw the Irish lead vocalist form Afro Celt Sound > > > System performing solo in Sligo ireland a few > > years a > > > go singing to a bunch of loops he'd done and he > > was > > > amazing. I can't remember his name right now. > > Really > > > nice guy though. > > > > > > All the very best! > > > Terry > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 09:14:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PDDFu22057; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:13:06 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000701c33b1b$85be68b0$1e1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <69.39b0bbc2.2c2ab445@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Since I got LOOP4 I have found that whenever I'm ending an > unrounded > > multiply with record my EDP goes back to loop 1 (if I'm not > already in > > loop 1). Why? > > check SwitchQuant > it's not set to OnE is it? Noop. > That's a function I use a lot, and never > came across that problem. > > Try going to loop no 2 and just hitting Record. > ...............what happens? > > andy butler When I "go to loop no 2 and just hit Record" it just jumps back to loop no 1. Stange. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 09:18:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PDGeB22329; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:16:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:16:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <125.233bd193.2c2afaaa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:16:26 EDT Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5PDGeB22302 Resent-Message-ID: <9x-_dD.A.xcF.4Ca--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 6/24/03 10:42:53 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Don't forget Radiohead. A lot of there last 3 albums have distinct >live looping on them, and "Hail to the Thief" (the new one) is no >different. Some people can't get by Tom's whiney vocals, but I think >it's pretty interesting and the song writing is great, IMO. One might not regularly expect this of a 50-year old fogey like me but I happen to agree. I have dug RH's last few albums quite a bit. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 09:49:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PDmFp24656; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:48:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:48:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <060101c33b20$75fbbbd0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: Subject: Baywatch - white face loop III echoplex Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:48:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05FC_01C33B28.D3D46AB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05FC_01C33B28.D3D46AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First time I've seen an echoplex on UK ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2541244143&categor= y=3D23790 Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net=20 http://www.drumdojo.com=20 http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation=20 www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg=20 ------=_NextPart_000_05FC_01C33B28.D3D46AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First time I've seen an echoplex on UK=20 ebay
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte= m&item=3D2541244143&category=3D23790
 
Paul
----------------------
Paul=20 Marshall
Portfolio Sound Artist
http://www.powerhaus.net
http://www.drumdojo.com
http://www.differentdrums.co.uk<= /A>
NI=20 Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation
www.dacapo.co.uk
Drumdojo = Recommended link=20 For June 2003
Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg=20
------=_NextPart_000_05FC_01C33B28.D3D46AB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 11:50:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PFl1S03545; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:47:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <119.258beee6.2c2b1dec@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:46:52 EDT Subject: SV: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Since I only got one reaction to this post (from Kim, advicing me to > post more details) I'll post the details to the list: sorry Per, I read the digest edition, so can't respond instantly, I did post tho'. > > I'm using all midi control from a Behringer FCB1010 pedal. I don't have > the original analogue Gibson pedal handy for testing. > test using the front panel buttons. It looks like your FCB1010 could be sending the Note-On which selects loop 1 (depends on Looptrig#, defaults to 84) this would operate as Record under certain circumstances as a quick test you could reduce LoopTrig# by one, and see if loop 2 gets selected. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 12:11:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PG9FI05402; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:09:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:09:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF9C80A.6BB65D66@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:04:25 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings References: <20030625124506.7229.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Tim, Tim Nelson wrote: > Should Kim's question be rephrased to specify that > "Essential Loop Recordings" must competitively earn > their inclusion by featuring the first known example > of a particular technique, must feature specific > equipment and/or must be widely known? Or should we go > with the "what were five albums from the 90's that > influenced you and your looping" aspect? I think > either way would be valid, but they'd be very > different lists! I'm simply interested in knowing what it is about a particular work that someone feels is noteworthy or important to them - i.e., why is it "essential?" I don't want to create a jury board that a recording has to pass before it can be posted on a web site... but I do think it's worth engaging in enough of a discourse so that people know why they should check something out in the first place. For instance, lots of people have mentioned Torn's two mid-'90s CMP solo albums, and I agree - those are pretty definitive works, they made a big impact on a lot of loopists, and they showcase some particular approaches to working with loops by one of the most historically significant practitioners of the craft. Lots of step-time '90s "electronica" has been mentioned, and I share that attitude as well - it was quite an era for that general zone of music making, and I know my own looping is much more indebted to Warp Records than to Hypnos or Projekt. So by all means, Terry's welcome to suggest his own records as essential if that's how he feels about it. But if someone describes a work as unique or unprecedented for its era - which is how Terry has described two of his albums - then I'm interested in a discourse on the subject. If I don't hear what he's talking about, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe one or the other of us has an inaccurate sense of the order of things. That's why I like to discuss and debate these things. It's nothing personal to Terry or anyone else - it's how we learn, right? So is his 1985 album "Entering The Silence" an Essential Loop Recording? I dunno. Was it the first album with looping to be released other than one by Robert Fripp? No. Was it the first album of all solo guitar looping to be released by someone other than Fripp? I don't know. Is there anything specific about either the technical approach he used, or (much more importantly, in my opinion) the way the actual music sounds that was substantially different from what Robert or other loopers were doing at that time? These are the things I'm interested in hearing about and discussing, and I welcome any discourse on it I can get. That's more posting in one day than I've done in months... Carpally tunneled, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 12:20:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PGERV05885; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.200.93.145] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew" To: References: <060101c33b20$75fbbbd0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Subject: Re: Baywatch - white face loop III echoplex Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:13:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C33B3D.143AAF60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2003 16:14:20.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5BBD1E0:01C33B34] Resent-Message-ID: <49OizD.A.1bB.jpc--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C33B3D.143AAF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yep, seller is 'solobasssteve'..... if that's the person I think it is ( = Steve Lawson ) then he offered it to UK peoples on this list recently, = guess no-one took him up on it. Shame !=20 ---- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Marshall=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Baywatch - white face loop III echoplex First time I've seen an echoplex on UK ebay = http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2541244143&categor= y=3D23790 Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net=20 http://www.drumdojo.com=20 http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation=20 www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C33B3D.143AAF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yep, seller is 'solobasssteve'..... if that's the = person I=20 think it is ( Steve Lawson ) then he offered it to UK peoples on this = list=20 recently, guess no-one took him up on it. Shame !
 
---- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul = Marshall=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 = 2:48=20 PM
Subject: Baywatch - white face = loop III=20 echoplex

First time I've seen an echoplex on = UK=20 ebay
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte= m&item=3D2541244143&category=3D23790
 
Paul
----------------------
Paul=20 Marshall
Portfolio Sound Artist
http://www.powerhaus.net
http://www.drumdojo.com
http://www.differentdrums.co.uk<= /A>
NI=20 Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation
www.dacapo.co.uk
Drumdojo = Recommended=20 link For June 2003
Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg=20
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C33B3D.143AAF60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 13:04:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PGwMv09730; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:58:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625165819.53692.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:58:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: Syncing my Echoplex to the Echo pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0tY-X.A.4XC.uSd--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear fellow loopers, I am trying to use my Echoplex as a master, and make my friend's Echo Pro its slave - all I want to do is to have one true stereo loop, meaning when I press record on the Echoplex's foot pedal, I want both machines to record a loop of exactly the same length. I am sure this has been written about somewhere, but I couldn't find it, because I havent' learned how to properly search the archive. Thanks for any hints. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 13:09:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PH3Kh10128; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:03:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:03:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:03:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -2 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:35 PM -0700 6/24/03, dgoat wrote: > > >1995. David Torn -- What Means Solid Traveller? >The pinnacle (IMO) of Mr. Torn's guitar mania. It has yet to be >surpassed by *anyone*. Looperus-Superiorus. I find it interesting that no one's mentioned DT's Splattercell::OAH disc yet, to me, that's the pinnacle of his work (so far). > >2000. Bill Frisell -- Ghost Town >The looper so transparently integrated into the instrument that it's >like an extra string. Looperus-Subtleus. > >2002. The Nels Cline Singers -- Instrumentals >What happens when you mix a jazzers ear and technique with an >avant-gardeist's sonic adventurism and throw lots 'o fuzz boxes and >loopers at 'em. Also, the incomparable drummer Scott Amendola shows >us that loopers ain't just for guitar players! Looperus-Noiserus. > Y'know, I've listened to this disc a ton, and never really noted the looping. It's a brilliant disc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 13:12:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PHAfn10841; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625092820.04225f50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:10:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <20030625124506.7229.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030624231134.56401.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:45 AM 6/25/2003, Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- Kim Flint wrote: > > > So let's hear it. What were 5 albums from the 90's > > > that you think > > > influenced looping? (or influenced you and your > > > looping.) Can you say > > > something short about each one about what makes it > > > essential listening for loopers? > >There seems to be some equivocation regarding the >criteria here. While I certainly respect Andre's view >that 'essential listening' should mean that it's >Important (with a capital i), unique and deserving of >its place in historical context, Kim's request *does* >include that parenthetical part allowing for the >subjectivity of personal influence. Actually, I added that because I thought it would help spark the conversation. But what we're really after are recordings that significantly influenced looping and were important in a larger sense, not just an individual sense. I figured if enough people cited the same thing as a personal influence, that might be taken as a clue that it is of greater significance. The items that end up in the "Essential Recordings" page should be something more than just a favorite album of somebody's that happened to use looping. In the clip above you left out my original ideas about what might qualify something as essential: >>they might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were >>first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music >>where it hadn't been used before, or recordings/artists that influenced a >>lot of people to become interested in looping or expand their abilities >>as loopers, etc. >it's possible that a recording that doesn't even >include looping may be an important influence on a >looper. yes, I agree with that, and I think that is fine really. There are many albums that didn't directly use the sort of audio looping techniques we talk about here, yet did in fact influence a lot of people to get into looping, or introduced musical ideas which people then tried to do in real time with loopers. Some of those belong on the "essential" page. >Should Kim's question be rephrased to specify that >"Essential Loop Recordings" must competitively earn >their inclusion by featuring the first known example >of a particular technique, must feature specific >equipment and/or must be widely known? yes, that's more the idea. The items we put on that essential recordings page should meet a higher standard. We're hoping to get the opinions of folks who have spent a lot of time listening to loop based music and using looping and can give an educated view about which recordings were really important. And then of course, we will then need you to explain why they are important! But don't take that to mean it has to be really restrictive. We don't have a limit on the number of items that can go on there. Feel free to throw in your favorite choices. I hope we can come up with some good entries! >Or should we go >with the "what were five albums from the 90's that >influenced you and your looping" aspect? I think >either way would be valid, but they'd be very >different lists! In the end they probably will be different, but I think this is a perfectly good way to figure out what was really essential. For example, if we see numerous loopers citing David Torn as a personal influence, we can then see that his music was having a pretty big impact on the larger scope of looping. It's sort of an opinion poll. The idea is to get a good list of recordings that people can check out and learn something from. As Michael originally pointed out, we are also thinking of having a separate page for "favorite albums" where anybody could come along and post something they like and put a little review of it in there. This would then be the place for albums that somebody liked and happened to have some looping in it, but which might not have had any larger historical significance or influence on looping. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 13:14:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PHA7x10773; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625171001.86039.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EF9C80A.6BB65D66@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > I'm simply interested in knowing what it is about a > particular work that someone feels is noteworthy or > important to them - i.e., why is it "essential?" Absolutely; it's that sort of explanation that makes us want to check the music out, not a list of names. I don't want to start another 'dictionary' thread, but it seems like some of us are reading 'essential' as 'definitive/archetypal', while others are seeing it more in the sense of 'influential/formative'. They can be very different things. > It's nothing personal to Terry or anyone else - it's > how we learn, right? Sure. And you did compliment him a couple of times as well. :-) > So is his 1985 album "Entering The Silence" an > Essential Loop Recording? I dunno. And it wasn't 'from the 90's' either. Re-reading his original post I certainly understand (and agree with) your questioning of the claims he makes, and nobody's disagreeing with the examples you gave of looping pioneers who'd been there already. But to defend what I said, I do feel that if, as Terry claims, he was completely unaware of anyone else using the techniques he was using in '85, then the process of working these things out for himself and recording an album featuring those techniques WAS certainly influential to his development as a looper. I don't necessarily agree with him that he was among the first to do them, or as alone in the field as he claims (heck, I myself was looping before 1985), but by the criteria of the last part of Kim's question, Terry's album does warrant mention, even if it's for reasons personal to him. I'm just pointing out that Kim is asking two questions that, while they have a certain overlap, really deal with different things. And like I said, those two things (definitive/archetypal vs. personally influential) are BOTH worthy of discussion, although the two lists of albums characterizing them would probably not be all that similar. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 13:21:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PHIfe11429; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:18:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625101645.03020bb8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:19:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Syncing my Echoplex to the Echo pro In-Reply-To: <20030625165819.53692.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:58 AM 6/25/2003, Alessandro Ricciarelli wrote: >I am trying to use my Echoplex as a master, and make >my friend's Echo Pro its slave - all I want to do is >to have one true stereo loop, meaning when I press >record on the Echoplex's foot pedal, I want both >machines to record a loop of exactly the same length. By "Echo Pro" do you mean the Line6 Echo Pro? That unit does not have midi clock sync capability for the Looper function. You won't be able to sync it to the Echoplex or to anything else. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 13:32:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PHV3R12604; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:31:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:31:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625173056.23741.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8pou7C.A.0ED.Wxd--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dave Trenkel wrote: > I find it interesting that no one's mentioned DT's > Splattercell::OAH disc yet, to me, that's the >pinnacle of his work (so far). It wasn't released in the 90's, though. I love OAH (and ReMiKSiS too), but I also get the impression (possibly very mistaken) that the SPLaTTeRCeLL stuff is generally more of an in-studio assemblage on which, in addition to the EDP and the Repeater, he uses software tools which may not have been available at the time of dt's earlier albums. I guess I'm basing that on interviews I've read in which dt describes the samples as 'cells' of varying length extracted from his playing which he then proceeds to further manipulate through software (and more hardware). -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 13:33:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PHWR712755; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:32:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:32:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF9DB88.9F0A0A29@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:27:37 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Torn's essential loop recordings References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Dave, Dave Trenkel wrote: > I find it interesting that no one's mentioned DT's Splattercell::OAH > disc yet, to me, that's the pinnacle of his work (so far). I think the main reason might be that it's a lot harder to draw a connection between "live looping" with what you hear on Splattercell. I know that a very large chunk of what's on there was originally a guitar or other organic instrument... but for me personally, that record goes so far into the hard disk/software mangling realm that the dominant character of the album, to my ears, is more defined by the computer angle than the live performance/live looping angle. On the other hand, you can listen to "Tripping Over God" from a real-time looping standpoint and find plenty of classic examples of the sorts of textures David comes up with as a one-man guitarist and loopist apart from the computer, and you can hear pretty clearly that they're the products of real-time construction (albiet with some software editing going on), which I think are big reasons why it's so popular here. So part of the issue for me with OAH is the sound of the album - the basic timbres on that disc *sound* less guitar-driven to my ears than the CMP records. And part of it, too, is the way the music is constructed and arranged... Splattercell sounds more "on the grid" in the post-hip hop/dance music school of arrangement, to me, whereas I find that the '90s CMP records are a bit more nebulous and less easy to visualize structurally. You can sort of see how a lot of the Splattercell tunes probably looked on the sequencer arrange window when you hear that album - big chunks of stuff come in or leave right on the downbeats of sections, which is very idiomatic of a lot of step-time music. On the other hand, the mid-90s stuff, while certainly not without its abrupt angles, is a bit more nebulous, evolving, and less seemingly defined by the "sequencer sound" in terms of structure. Which is another thing that I would say is more characteristic of real-time looping than step-time production. Of course, David would probably have something else to say about all this... ;) I like the Splattercell album a lot, but it's not one of my favorite Torn records, I'll admit. But I know plenty of people rate it very highly indeed... Different strokes and all. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 13:34:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PHVU312675; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:31:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:31:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: essential loop recordings Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:31:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625092820.04225f50@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The vinyl version of Seatrain's first album (with John Gregory) (EmbArk?) had a rideout loop so the album never ended! On the word forevermore!! And I mentioned Andy Kuhlberg's pioneering echoplex work previously--he did a lot of "Brian May" type harmonizing . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 13:53:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PHoUp14241; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:50:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:50:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625104524.0425d010@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:50:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 In-Reply-To: <000101c33b01$8447f420$c51d6dd4@LILLPELLE> References: <000b01c33a92$8ac505f0$bf1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:06 AM 6/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > > Från: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > > > Since I got LOOP4 I have found that whenever I'm ending an > > unrounded multiply with record my EDP goes back to loop 1 (if > > I'm not already in loop 1). Why? > > I'll post the details to the list: > >SwitchQuant = off >Record mode = SAF >Overdub = toggle >RoundMode = off >Insert mode = Sub >Quantize = 8th >Sync = Out > >The "jumping-to-loop1" effect happens with just any of the settings for >the following parameters: SwitchQuant, RoundMode, Record mode, Insert >mode. it doesn't happen here. are there any other parameters you have changed from the defaults? If you reset the parameters to factory defaults, do you have the same problem? It would be helpful if you explained the sequence of events you do that cause this to happen. I just tried a whole assortment of rounded and unrounded multiplies, with midi or with the panel buttons, and still have no idea if I'm really doing the same thing you are. >I'm using all midi control from a Behringer FCB1010 pedal. I don't have >the original analogue Gibson pedal handy for testing. perhaps the problem is in how you programmed your midi controller? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 14:11:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PI9gI16291; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:09:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:09:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <067a01c33b44$fc0644b0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <90BA2DC6-9C6D-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> <005201c33223$46bf6b60$e0154ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:09:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve, I'm Paul Marshall from the Loopers list. I'm near Belfast in N Ireland I missed your post regarding the EDPs for sale and stupidly announced my ignorance to the whole world by saying "hey look what I have found on ebay" It must have just gone up for sale there. I didn't have the chance to see/hear/experience the EDP until Rick played in Belfast, I didn't hear it until I heard his set after mine. It wasn't just my DL-4 which was green :) I am in the market for an EDP but I have no idea of what the current aftermarket value is. From what I can find on the 'net they seemed to have sold new for £550 or so, I think the pedal was on top of that. I could be wrong. It's terribly cheeky of me but maybe you could give me an idea of what it would be expected sell for in the second-hand market or what you had in mind when you posted to the list. Is the £300 a realistic price, 50% seems about right for second-hand In any case I am interested in looking at purchase of the EDP, I know that this is loop III software, I assume that it can't just be readily updated to loop IV. Is it ram expandable, do you have any? I've heard a little bit of your music (and seen the videos) and have enjoyed it tremendously, I hope that we meet up one day, maybe play a little (I'm a multi-percussionist). It would be nice to have a loopUK (LUK) forum where we could share info on a local level, I'm considering starting loop.ie for ireland, not as competition to LD but as a satellite for localised discussion rather than hearing of all the great looping events in the US that I can't get to :( Anyway Steve, thanks for your time in reading this and in responding at some point. Regards Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:15 AM Subject: FS EDPs in the UK... > high guys, I've got a couple of white-faced EDPs with Loop III software for > sale. If you're in the UK and are interested, drop me an email... > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 14:13:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PICEb16582; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02db01c33b45$4c125d40$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <90BA2DC6-9C6D-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> <005201c33223$46bf6b60$e0154ed5@bigboy> <067a01c33b44$fc0644b0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:12:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2003 18:12:13.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D66C9B0:01C33B45] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one is on the sound on sound readers ads www.sospubs.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Marshall" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... Hi Steve, I'm Paul Marshall from the Loopers list. I'm near Belfast in N Ireland I missed your post regarding the EDPs for sale and stupidly announced my ignorance to the whole world by saying "hey look what I have found on ebay" It must have just gone up for sale there. I didn't have the chance to see/hear/experience the EDP until Rick played in Belfast, I didn't hear it until I heard his set after mine. It wasn't just my DL-4 which was green :) I am in the market for an EDP but I have no idea of what the current aftermarket value is. From what I can find on the 'net they seemed to have sold new for £550 or so, I think the pedal was on top of that. I could be wrong. It's terribly cheeky of me but maybe you could give me an idea of what it would be expected sell for in the second-hand market or what you had in mind when you posted to the list. Is the £300 a realistic price, 50% seems about right for second-hand In any case I am interested in looking at purchase of the EDP, I know that this is loop III software, I assume that it can't just be readily updated to loop IV. Is it ram expandable, do you have any? I've heard a little bit of your music (and seen the videos) and have enjoyed it tremendously, I hope that we meet up one day, maybe play a little (I'm a multi-percussionist). It would be nice to have a loopUK (LUK) forum where we could share info on a local level, I'm considering starting loop.ie for ireland, not as competition to LD but as a satellite for localised discussion rather than hearing of all the great looping events in the US that I can't get to :( Anyway Steve, thanks for your time in reading this and in responding at some point. Regards Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:15 AM Subject: FS EDPs in the UK... > high guys, I've got a couple of white-faced EDPs with Loop III software for > sale. If you're in the UK and are interested, drop me an email... > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 14:14:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PIDpT16804; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:13:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:13:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625110356.02242e50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:14:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <20030625173056.23741.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:30 AM 6/25/2003, Tim Nelson wrote: >--- Dave Trenkel wrote: > > I find it interesting that no one's mentioned DT's > > Splattercell::OAH disc yet, to me, that's the > >pinnacle of his work (so far). > >It wasn't released in the 90's, though. > >I love OAH (and ReMiKSiS too), but I also get the >impression (possibly very mistaken) that the >SPLaTTeRCeLL stuff is generally more of an in-studio >assemblage on which, in addition to the EDP and the >Repeater, he uses software tools which may not have >been available at the time of dt's earlier albums. I >guess I'm basing that on interviews I've read in which >dt describes the samples as 'cells' of varying length >extracted from his playing which he then proceeds to >further manipulate through software (and more >hardware). That could also mean it is an example of an innovative idea that ends up influencing a lot of people. It's probably too soon to tell though. That's why I was suggesting we look at the 90's. We've got a few years of perspective, and we can take in the whole decade and get some idea of what things really mattered. After that I figured we could take another look at the 80's, since that decade is also pretty sparse in the "essential recordings" page. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 14:16:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PIF4R16964; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625181501.97433.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: Re: Syncing my Echoplex to the Echo pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625101645.03020bb8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2b_dBB.A.8IE.oae--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your reply - it's confusing, since in the Line6 Echo Pro's Manual it says that the looper will accept Midi commands (such as 101 for "play", 102 for "overdub" a.s.o.) So I thought it might be possible to have the Echoplex transmit those Midi messages .... --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:58 AM 6/25/2003, Alessandro Ricciarelli wrote: > >I am trying to use my Echoplex as a master, and > make > >my friend's Echo Pro its slave - all I want to do > is > >to have one true stereo loop, meaning when I press > >record on the Echoplex's foot pedal, I want both > >machines to record a loop of exactly the same > length. > > By "Echo Pro" do you mean the Line6 Echo Pro? That > unit does not have midi > clock sync capability for the Looper function. You > won't be able to sync it > to the Echoplex or to anything else. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 14:25:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PINSh17971; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:23:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: SV: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:14:38 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c33b45$a4a38d30$650a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625104524.0425d010@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [204.164.62.238] at Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:23:22 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <9YZO8B.A.pYE.fie--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, Another thought: I'm on the 1010 Yahoo group and your description of this issue sounds a lot like some of the bug reports I've heard with pre-2.3 version roms (I think some of the bugs even involved erroneous Note messages). The latest 1010 rom version is 2.3. Earlier 2.x versions of the rom seem to be the buggiest. Do you happen to know which version of the 1010 rom you're working with? (The only way to determine the rom version of a 1010 is to open it up and look at the sticker on the chip, fyi) Fwiw, someone on this list also cooked up a 1010 editor utility (PC only *shrug*) which he's still improving but is getting raves so far. Also: Do you have a midi protocol analyzer like midi-ox (only on PC, but free)? If so, plug your 1010 into that and check the output stream to see if you've got buggie Note messages being sent, or you could use a sequencer to capture the stream and check that. Laydah, Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SV: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to > loop 1 > > > At 03:06 AM 6/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Från: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > > > > > Since I got LOOP4 I have found that whenever I'm ending an > > > unrounded multiply with record my EDP goes back to loop 1 (if > > > I'm not already in loop 1). Why? > > > > I'll post the details to the list: > > > >SwitchQuant = off > >Record mode = SAF > >Overdub = toggle > >RoundMode = off > >Insert mode = Sub > >Quantize = 8th > >Sync = Out > > > >The "jumping-to-loop1" effect happens with just any of the > settings for > >the following parameters: SwitchQuant, RoundMode, Record mode, Insert > >mode. > > it doesn't happen here. are there any other parameters you > have changed > from the defaults? If you reset the parameters to factory > defaults, do you > have the same problem? > > It would be helpful if you explained the sequence of events > you do that > cause this to happen. I just tried a whole assortment of rounded and > unrounded multiplies, with midi or with the panel buttons, > and still have > no idea if I'm really doing the same thing you are. > > >I'm using all midi control from a Behringer FCB1010 pedal. I > don't have > >the original analogue Gibson pedal handy for testing. > > perhaps the problem is in how you programmed your midi controller? > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 14:33:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PIVW218626; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06bb01c33b48$083b1640$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <90BA2DC6-9C6D-11D7-A4AA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> <005201c33223$46bf6b60$e0154ed5@bigboy> <067a01c33b44$fc0644b0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:27:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't you hate it when that happens :) Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Marshall" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... Hi Steve, I'm Paul Marshall from the Loopers list. I'm near Belfast in N Ireland I missed your post regarding the EDPs for sale and stupidly announced my ignorance to the whole world by saying "hey look what I have found on ebay" It must have just gone up for sale there. I didn't have the chance to see/hear/experience the EDP until Rick played in Belfast, I didn't hear it until I heard his set after mine. It wasn't just my DL-4 which was green :) I am in the market for an EDP but I have no idea of what the current aftermarket value is. From what I can find on the 'net they seemed to have sold new for £550 or so, I think the pedal was on top of that. I could be wrong. It's terribly cheeky of me but maybe you could give me an idea of what it would be expected sell for in the second-hand market or what you had in mind when you posted to the list. Is the £300 a realistic price, 50% seems about right for second-hand In any case I am interested in looking at purchase of the EDP, I know that this is loop III software, I assume that it can't just be readily updated to loop IV. Is it ram expandable, do you have any? I've heard a little bit of your music (and seen the videos) and have enjoyed it tremendously, I hope that we meet up one day, maybe play a little (I'm a multi-percussionist). It would be nice to have a loopUK (LUK) forum where we could share info on a local level, I'm considering starting loop.ie for ireland, not as competition to LD but as a satellite for localised discussion rather than hearing of all the great looping events in the US that I can't get to :( Anyway Steve, thanks for your time in reading this and in responding at some point. Regards Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:15 AM Subject: FS EDPs in the UK... > high guys, I've got a couple of white-faced EDPs with Loop III software for > sale. If you're in the UK and are interested, drop me an email... > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 14:41:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PIbam19009; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:37:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:37:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625113132.03d7a9b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:38:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Syncing my Echoplex to the Echo pro In-Reply-To: <20030625181501.97433.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625101645.03020bb8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:15 AM 6/25/2003, Alessandro Ricciarelli wrote: >Thanks for your reply - it's confusing, since in the >Line6 Echo Pro's Manual it says that the looper will >accept Midi commands (such as 101 for "play", 102 for >"overdub" a.s.o.) So I thought it might be possible to >have the Echoplex transmit those Midi messages .... the Echoplex won't send commands for a different device. It does send the right commands for another echoplex, so you can chain echoplexes together easily. You could just use a midi controller programmed to send the right commands to each device when you push one button. The two will basically start and stop recording at the same time if you do that. However, they will slowly drift apart because you do not have any sync connection between them, and the two loops can never be precisely the same length. It might be ok for a short time. When you have a sync connection between them this problem is solved, since it will correct the drift and keep them together forever. Unfortunately the echo pro does not have midi sync for the looper function, so you can't sync it to anything. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 14:45:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PIhLU19509; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:43:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:43:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625184319.29712.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Torn has mentioned Bill Frisell as an influence in articles. I like "What Means Solid Traveller" also. I just got it last week. All the vry best! Terry --- Dave Trenkel wrote: > At 4:35 PM -0700 6/24/03, dgoat wrote: > > > > > >1995. David Torn -- What Means Solid Traveller? > >The pinnacle (IMO) of Mr. Torn's guitar mania. It > has yet to be > >surpassed by *anyone*. Looperus-Superiorus. > > I find it interesting that no one's mentioned DT's > Splattercell::OAH > disc yet, to me, that's the pinnacle of his work (so > far). > > > > >2000. Bill Frisell -- Ghost Town > >The looper so transparently integrated into the > instrument that it's > >like an extra string. Looperus-Subtleus. > > > >2002. The Nels Cline Singers -- Instrumentals > >What happens when you mix a jazzers ear and > technique with an > >avant-gardeist's sonic adventurism and throw lots > 'o fuzz boxes and > >loopers at 'em. Also, the incomparable drummer > Scott Amendola shows > >us that loopers ain't just for guitar players! > Looperus-Noiserus. > > > Y'know, I've listened to this disc a ton, and never > really noted the > looping. It's a brilliant disc. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 14:58:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PIv4U20956; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:57:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:57:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625112606.02174060@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:57:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: References: <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:03 AM 6/25/2003, Dave Trenkel wrote: >At 4:35 PM -0700 6/24/03, dgoat wrote: >> >> >>1995. David Torn -- What Means Solid Traveller? >>The pinnacle (IMO) of Mr. Torn's guitar mania. It has yet to be surpassed >>by *anyone*. Looperus-Superiorus. > >I find it interesting that no one's mentioned DT's Splattercell::OAH disc >yet, to me, that's the pinnacle of his work (so far). it could be because I said to pick albums from the 90's. :-) One artist could easily be on the list for work they did in different eras, since people who were innovative once might continue to innovate and influence people with new ideas. It seems to me there is a fairly big difference between David Torn of the mid-90's and the much more recent stuff like the splattercell:oah album. They could easily both wind up on the list. Clearly a lot of people think some DT album from the 90's should end up on the list. There seems to be a pretty even split between "Tripping over God" and "What Means Solid, Traveller?" Which one? Or should we just put them both on there? Can some of you Torn fans write a paragraph for the web site, to explain what made these albums significant for looping? >>2000. Bill Frisell -- Ghost Town >>The looper so transparently integrated into the instrument that it's like >>an extra string. Looperus-Subtleus. Bill Frisell is another name mentioned very often as an influence by loopers. It seems like he should be in the essential list for that reason. What are some other significant looping albums of his? He has obviously been an influence on people interested in looping for quite a long time, so perhaps we can choose an earlier album than one from 2000? Is there some album of his where the use of looping first really leapt out and people took notice? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 15:12:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PJB8J22677; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:11:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:11:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:11:01 -0700 Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02db01c33b45$4c125d40$6401a8c0@p4> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5PJB8B22653 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone had experience shipping an EDP to England? What would that cost after taxes and shipping? Mark On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 11:12 AM, David Swain wrote: > one is on the sound on sound readers ads > www.sospubs.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Marshall" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... > > > Hi Steve, > > I'm Paul Marshall from the Loopers list. I'm near Belfast in N Ireland > > I missed your post regarding the EDPs for sale and stupidly announced > my > ignorance to the whole world by saying "hey look what I have found on > ebay" > It must have just gone up for sale there. > > I didn't have the chance to see/hear/experience the EDP until Rick > played in > Belfast, I didn't hear it until I heard his set after mine. It wasn't > just > my DL-4 which was green :) > > I am in the market for an EDP but I have no idea of what the current > aftermarket value is. From what I can find on the 'net they seemed to > have > sold new for £550 or so, I think the pedal was on top of that. I > could be > wrong. It's terribly cheeky of me but maybe you could give me an idea > of > what it would be expected sell for in the second-hand market or what > you had > in mind when you posted to the list. Is the £300 a realistic price, 50% > seems about right for second-hand > > In any case I am interested in looking at purchase of the EDP, I know > that > this is loop III software, I assume that it can't just be readily > updated to > loop IV. Is it ram expandable, do you have any? > > I've heard a little bit of your music (and seen the videos) and have > enjoyed > it tremendously, I hope that we meet up one day, maybe play a little > (I'm a > multi-percussionist). It would be nice to have a loopUK (LUK) forum > where > we could share info on a local level, I'm considering starting loop.ie > for > ireland, not as competition to LD but as a satellite for localised > discussion rather than hearing of all the great looping events in the > US > that I can't get to :( > > Anyway Steve, thanks for your time in reading this and in responding > at some > point. > > Regards > > Paul > ---------------------- > Paul Marshall > Portfolio Sound Artist > http://www.powerhaus.net > http://www.drumdojo.com > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > www.dacapo.co.uk > Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 > Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Lawson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:15 AM > Subject: FS EDPs in the UK... > > >> high guys, I've got a couple of white-faced EDPs with Loop III >> software > for >> sale. If you're in the UK and are interested, drop me an email... >> >> cheers >> >> Steve >> www.stevelawson.net >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 15:30:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PJTAw24487; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625192909.24874.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EF98898.5824BDC8@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andre. I don’t really care for your work either so the feeling is mutual. Feel free to not add me to your history section. But I was there. Fripp once took me aside and told me that I could play things Adrian Belew couldn’t play in his wildest dreams. I respect his opinion a bit more than yours. Here are about 500 e-mails from people who disagree with you and loved my work. http://home.cinci.rr.com/terryblankenship/trancegodzguestbook.html Granted my early CDs from 1985 did not sell that well (only about 5000 copies each), so they did not have a big impact on millions of people. I can see where that would rule me out. At the time I recorded these I had not heard anyone else use an e-bow for looping. Fripp didn’t use one at the time. I hadn’t heard anyone else doing polyrhytmic acoustic guitar looping. The techniques I used are completely irrelevant. Its the resulting music that matters. Was the music innovative for the time? I think it was. You have the right to disagree. Here are a couple of press reviews form 1985 for my “Daemon” lp. Press reviews: OPTION MAGAZINE - "Daemon" is an amazing electric guitar tour-de-force, superbly composed, recorded, and performed. SOUND CHOICE - "Daemon" is a one man band release that is the finest indy cd that I've had the pleasure to review. A remarkably well performed and composed collection that showcase an original artist and his mastery of the technology." _________________________________________________________ Alternative Rhythms -features drum and keyboard loops, and guitar (from my Daemon lp in 1985.) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4311 _________________________________________________________ Dissociation - features guitar loops, drum loops in 5/4 over 4/4, and guitar solos. (from my Daemon lp in 1985.) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4678 _________________________________________________________ Ketjak -features polyrhythmic acoustic guitar loops (from my Daemon lp in 1985.) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4303 _________________________________________________________ Attention - features guitar loops (from my Daemon lp in 1985.) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4425 _________________________________________________________ Harmonium - is all guitar featuring four different loops (from my Entering The Silence lp in 1985) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4304 __________________________________________________________ Entering The Silence - looped guitar (from my Entering The Silence lp in 1985) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4314 Trance World - features trance music and world music combined with looped guitar (Trance Godz - Trance World CD 2000) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=6575 __________________________________________________________ The Alchemist - featues trance and world music with looped guitar (Trance Godz - Trance World CD 2000) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=8224 __________________________________________________________ Fire Dance - My Harmonium track from 1985 with added world percussion. (Trance Godz - Trance World CD 2000) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=8223 Have fun trashing these Andre if you feel the need to. All the very best! Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 15:38:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PJanx25181; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:36:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:36:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030625193647.32705.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030625192909.24874.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Andre had nothing but nice things to say about your work. You may want to re-read his post a bit. --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > Hi Andre. > > I don’t really care for your work either so the > feeling is mutual. Feel free to not add me to your > history section. But I was there. I think Andre had nothing but nice things to say about your work. You may want to re-read his post a bit. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 16:15:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PK7Vo27605; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:07:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:07:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: Re: flaming essential loop recordings Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c33b54$2d7c7a50$650a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030625192909.24874.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [204.164.62.238] at Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:07:24 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <8u1DoD.A.IvG.DEg--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *gets popcorn* *munch* *rustle rustle* *munch munch* Looks like we get about one hot thread a month now, not too bad ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 17:05:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PKvrE32240; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:57:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:57:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030617174649.022028c0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:58:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes In-Reply-To: <20030616091001.19552.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20030616015339.009d7a50@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com with this talk of influences and such, I remembered this comment from a week ago that I meant to answer but didn't get around to it: At 02:10 AM 6/16/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: >I don't think this list would even exist if Fripp and >Eno had never recorded that album. sorry, but this broad statement is preposterously funny! Since I created this list, I somehow think I might have a better idea about why it exists. To set that record straight a little bit, I never even heard of Robert Fripp until long after I was into looping. I played guitar for a good 12 years or so before that and didn't ever hear of him then either. I never remember any other musician friends, teachers, or even magazine articles discussing him while I was growing up, and I was a guitar fanatic at the time. It seems to me he was mainly an influence on a different generation from mine. Sorry if your generation's heros didn't become mine, but that wasn't really my doing. In fact, I also can't see how any of the devices, jobs, music, or people that influenced me to get into looping can be related to Robert Fripp. It all comes from a different looping lineage. Personally, I wasn't motivated to work on the Echoplex project because of him and I didn't start Looper's Delight because of him. Don't get me wrong, Robert Fripp seems like a fine musician, and when a marketing guy at Gibson had me demonstrate the EDP to him he seemed like a nice guy. I even bought a King Crimson album after that. But he is on a different track through looping history from the one I followed to get here. It is simply not correct to say this list exists because of his influence. I would have created it anyway. I've subsequently tried to listen to his looping stuff on a couple of occasions, and I'm sorry but I find it sort of boring. I've never been able to get very far through it. That's my personal taste. If he was a big influence on you and your use of loops, that's great! but let's try not to confuse your own influences as being those of everybody... So what was the influence on me? In the looping universe I fell into, I can see obvious connections to the SF Tape Music center and various related musicians and composers. The new music scene in the SF bay area is full of that influence. You hear it everywhere here, and I've been soaking it in for years. But most important, the SF Tape Center influence is why the people at the Gibson R&D lab where I once worked in Berkeley thought the LoopDelay looping machine that Matthias Grob created was exciting, and why we ended up licensing it and working on it with Matthias and turning it into the EDP. These were people interested, and even friends with, looping musicians like Pauline Oliveros, Terry Riley, Paul Dresher, etc. Those were well known names around Gibson's g-wiz labs. Nobody was interested in Fripp that I ever recall. Mills College, CNMAT, CCRMA and all the related musicians are right here. In other words, the Echoplex happened as it did at Gibson because of a completely different set of people than the Robert Fripp lineage. And if the Echoplex hadn't happened there, I probably wouldn't have been involved, and probably wouldn't have gotten into it enough to create Looper's Delight. The Nashville end of Gibson liked the looper idea more due to finger pickers who used loops and delays, like Chet Atkins and Phil Keaggy, and of course Les Paul. They even wanted to do a version of the Echoplex called the "Les Paulverizer" after the tape machine trick Les Paul used to use. That is why Gibson was willing to commit the resources to do a project like the Echoplex. I don't recall any mention of Fripp there either, and I don't see how Fripp could have been an influence on Chet Atkins or Les Paul. For me personally I was into Industrial music and Hip Hop at the time I got into looping, and wanted more flexible ways to create loops to do that live. I never liked composing and I didn't want to deal with sorting out samples and sequences in advance. And maybe also important, I wanted to see that type of music move back in a more live direction, and I wanted a way to mix live instruments (like my guitar) into it as it happened. I loved early hip hop like "Planet Rock" when I was a kid, I loved the heavy repetitive sounds of Ministry and Skinny Puppy when I was older. Looping naturally followed out of all that for me. I had never even heard of Fripp then. The electronic repetition in those music styles I listened to can be obviously connected to groups like Kraftwerk and the various European experimenters who influenced them, but not to Robert Fripp. Kraftwerk was a huge influence on so much of the loop based music heard today. They were the primary influence for electronic repetition in both dance music (techno/juan atkins) and Hip Hop (trans-europe express was a favorite album to loop on turntables for the early rap djs, it is even the basis for Planet Rock). That's a pretty giant piece of culture, and the pervasive use of loops has influenced a lot of musicians to get into looping in real time. If you trace back the historical lineage of the use of loops in hip hop, industrial/goth, most electronic dance music, and synth pop, you pass through Kraftwerk most of the time, and then back to the SF Tape Center scene, Stockhausen, Varese, etc. Fripp is on some other branch of the tree that started from those same 60's influences and went another direction. The only other loop experience I can remember from that time was when a college roommate got into a nostalgia fad and started listening to old 60's and 70's music. I was finally introduced to old (but good) stuff like the Beatles, and I remember being especially fascinated by "Revolution #9" and wondering how they did it. That was probably the first introduction to tape loops for me, coming well after I had experienced delay looping, sequencers, samplers, arpeggiattors, and such. I assume a lot of people must have listened to that track in it's day, so probably it was a first-tape-loop experience for a lot of people. Then of course while working on the Echoplex at Gibson, I met Matthias Grob and heard his music and ideas about looping and that was another influence. I've never heard Matthias mention much about Fripp or Eno either, but I don't know if they affected him or not. Certainly Matthias has incorporated many of his ideas about looping into the Echoplex, and even the most basic features there go far beyond the looping techniques the Fripp used. Matthias was clearly way past those guys in his thinking about all this. And last, but perhaps not least, Looper's Delight is named after an old rap song! If I were a Robert Fripp fan, I probably would have come up with something different, don't you think? I decided to create Looper's Delight while working on the Echoplex and meeting so many different people interested in looping. I was fascinated by how different they all were. I was fascinated by how loopers in different styles of music had come up with different approaches and techniques. I was also fascinated by how so many loopers were totally unaware of how many others there were. It was obvious to me that they could gain a lot by sharing ideas. Cross pollination between completely different types of looping was one of my main goals for this community. I had also been on various BBS's (remember those?) and internet lists for years, and long had an idea that I wanted to try starting an online community like some of the favorite ones I had been a part of. So Looper's Delight was it. >Many of the people who invented >those effects in the first place did it because of >hearing Frippertronics. "The Fripp in the Box", etc. Somehow I get the impression you haven't really sat down and talked to a lot of them. Mostly, I find the people involved in creating the tools were not coming from that Fripp influence, although some were. Most of the looping devices around today were not based on the "Fripp in the Box" idea at all. Claiming that is a really naive exaggeration. I wasn't motivated to work on the Echoplex in such a way, nor do I recall seeing that influence in anybody else on that project, as I noted above. The Electrix guys who did the Repeater were mainly dance music producers and dj's interested in creating something like acid but easier to use in a live dj context. I don't think they had ever heard of Fripp before getting into this either. It's been a while since I talked to the Boomerang guys, but they seemed more like Texas blues rockers who wanted to keep a riff going and built on that idea to create their looper. Emmanuel Pérille is certainly coming from more of a dance music dj perspective for his DJRND products, which were used for the RedSound Cycloops. I'm not sure if Gary Hall was ever interested in Fripp, but I've hung out with him a number of times and never heard him mention RF. He seems more interested in Indian music now, but that might not have had anything to do with his development of the pcm-42. His bio on LD says he was doing early sorts of techno at the time with drum machines and arpeggiators. I imagine he was mainly trying to create a better Lexicon delay with the pcm-42 and musicians interested in looping then discovered how useful it was for them and started requesting modifications. For the jamman, I don't know about Bob Sellon's musical influences, but as I recall he got into it after having done service work and modifications on pcm-42's for a long time and had the idea for the jamman out of that. Jon Durant most likely was a Fripp fan. He's certainly a Torn fan. Line6 was just copying the Boomerang for the DL-4, I don't think they really knew anything about looping at all. (they even called the loop function of the dl-4 the "boomerang modeler" at first until their lawyers recommended changing it....) I've never met the creators of the Akai Headrush or the Boss RC-20, so those development histories are mysteries to me. The Boss doesn't seem very related to the frippertronics thing though. Before the Headrush, Akai did the Remix-16 which was obviously a dj thing. I don't know the histories of the TC-2290 or the EH-16 either. TC seemed to be mainly creating a high-end delay. EH obviously called the EH-16 the "fripp in a box" so I suppose that is what they were after. Software tools like Live, Radial, Acid, etc. are also coming from a dance music perspective, although they can be easily used for other things. The sonic foundry guys called it "Acid" so that's pretty clear. I've met the Radial and Live people, they were certainly electronic dance and rave culture types and not Fripp fans. The Eventide guys might have more of a Fripp perspective in what they do. Scott Gilfix seemed to come from that perspective when I met him and he demoed the Orville for me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 17:05:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PL4A800447; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:04:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:04:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EFA0D28.E8091717@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:59:19 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Trashing vs. Critiquing (was: essential loop recordings) References: <20030625192909.24874.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Terry, I think you've seriously misinterpreted my comments, and I'm genuinely sorry to have offended you as I seem to have done, as it certainly wasn't my intention. I'm not trying to trash you or your work by any means. On the contrary, I've made several mentions throughout this thread that you're clearly a very accomplished and talented fellow. I'm going to try once more to articulate myself, because I hate leaving bad sentiments like this, and because I honestly think you're missing my point. Maybe I'm doing an inadequate job of expressing myself. And maybe your point of view could stand to do with a bit of an adjustment? Not an insult, man, but an honest and respectful suggestion. This whole thread was supposed to be about recordings that are using looping in ways that are noteworthy, influential, or what have you. In response to that question, you offered up your own two albums as prime examples of definitive loop-based recordings. I've listened to your sound files (in fact I've listened to the most recent links you've offered even as I type this). They sound really good - did you see that, man? I'm complimenting your work! - but I personally do not hear either a technical use of looping, or (more importantly) an actual musical result that I feel is dramatically different from a lot of other guitar and bass (and other instrument) loopers I've heard from many different periods of time. That's what this thread's about, right? Not how many reviews you've gotten, or whether or not you can outplay Adrian Belew, but about discussing the historical context you've appointed for your own work. In your last post on this thread, you said, "The fact of the matter is that I was doing this before everyone except Fripp and Eno. Whether anyone is aware of it or not." Now, I've offered many, many specific examples of artists and recordings whose work either predates or runs concurrently with your own. I haven't done this to knock you, because you're a very happening musician. I've done it because you've stated, in a public forum, that your work is historically significant and unprecedented in the field which the forum in question is dedicated to. Now, you haven't addressed the work of any of the other musicians and/or composers I've mentioned. Instead, you've taken personal offense that I'm asking for tangible evidence and an informed perspective to validate your claims. With very real respect for your skills, Terry, I'll be blunt here: if you're not comfortable with having your work - or your own frankly grandiose assessment of its historical importance - critiqued and asked for justification, then this list is probably not the place for you. And if you can't deal with the fact that - contrary to your previous belief - there actually are, and have been, guitar loopers other than yourself and Robert, then you almost certainly won't be happy here. This has absolutely nothing to do with how many glowing compliments Robert Fripp paid to you 18 years ago, how many pieces of fan mail you've received, how many CDs you've sold, or how many magazines have written strong reviews of your work. These are all things to be proud of, as well you should be (and as you obviously are, given the number of times you mention them on the list). But they don't address the issue I'm trying to engage here, as one adult musician to another: not how much your music sucks (because it most assuredly does not), but rather the thing this whole thread was supposed to be about in the first place: is a given recording particularly noteworthy with regards to its use of looping? Once again, I welcome you to compare or contrast what you've done to the many, many other people I've mentioned. Having heard a bit more of your work as I've typed this, I would also be inclined to compare what you're doing to elements of Steve Roach, Jon Hassel, or Brian Eno's solo material. So here's my take, Terry: if you want to have an informed dialogue with a group of dedicated and accomplished musicians, who have a collective experience with looping that goes rather deeper than your self-professedly recent discovery of a world beyond yourself and the guitar players for King Crimson, then this is the best place you can be. You'll learn about an awful lot of technical and conceptual ideas for what you can do, and you'll hear about people you never would have known about otherwise (and people like your recent discovery David Torn, who you honestly should have known about a long time ago, but I won't begrudge you that). But if you want people to unblinkingly accept your assertion that no guitarist other than yourself took a hint from "No Pussyfooting" for 13 years, and to swoon every time you drop a Robert Fripp anecdote, I think you're in for a pretty serious disappointment. It's your choice, Terry. And, in the interest of being fair, you're certainly welcome to give me your own honest assessment of where my own work fits into the historical context of what you and Robert (or anyone else, for that matter) have done. Sincere good wishes to you Terry, and please don't mistake honest critiques for personal insults. --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 17:11:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PL8a600898; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:08:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:08:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625135903.021bea40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:09:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Echoplex w/drum machine question In-Reply-To: <20030625072112.65465.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030625065619.78988.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:21 AM 6/25/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: >I am starting to see some light through the trees here >thanks to you. great, I'm glad it's starting to work for you! >There are still a couple of things I need to work out. > >I am correct in assuming that you really need to be >working with all quantized functions and with the >switch quant turned on, to keep loops synced up with a >drum machine no matter how you are manipulating the >echoplex? It depends on the application, but I think for what you are trying to do the answer is yes. Your need seems to be keeping the startpoints of the loops lined up at all times. For that you want to quantize everything. Personally I find it much more interesting to intentionally dealign loops from each other, to set up different rhythmic relationships between them and change them on the fly. I love the new functions of the Echoplex that let it keep track of all this while you do it, and then give you the power to ReAlign them back together. For this type of use you wouldn't use Quantize at all, or use Quantize = 8th to keep things lined up on sub divisions of the cycles. >I didn't have the switch quant on before. that only affects loop switching when using multiple loops. I don't think you mentioned that you were switching loops before, in which case it wouldn't matter how you set the SwitchQuant parameter. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 17:29:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PLR4203183; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:27:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:27:02 -0400 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Message-ID: <20030625172702.D8554@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <3EF9277C.9050503@iinet.net.au> <40E91A8A-A6D5-11D7-9CDA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <40E91A8A-A6D5-11D7-9CDA-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com>; from erwill@suitandtieguy.com on Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 01:21:27AM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 01:21:27AM -0500, Eric Williamson wrote: > On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 11:39 PM, not8ohm wrote: > > i have to also say that bands like godspeed you black emporer, a > > silver mt zion, black heart procession... all COULD use looping to > > make there > > i don't think GSY!BE use any looping tools, but ... > > there is one indie rock recording which comes to mind as ABSOLUTELY > POSITIVELY ESSENTIAL listening for loopers of the phrase persuasion, > but it's not commercially available. it's a bootleg of Don Cabellero's I'd definately agree with Don Cab. One of my favorite bands. Altough, as far as I know, none of there early work was loop based, but still excellent. If i had to throw in another more or less "indy rock" band that loops, I'd suggest Drums&Tuba. Live they made impressive use of EDP's and Repeaters, and great songs. Adrian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 17:47:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PLijU05337; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:44:36 -0700 Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EF9C80A.6BB65D66@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <375D2BA6-A756-11D7-A85D-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got to disagree with Andre's idea of what an "essential" recording is. Why should it have to be technically groundbreaking in some way? Can't it just be really good music? (In this case really good loop music) If we had an essential rock or blues discussion, would be have the same criteria? I must admit, I seek out a lot of music that is newer or distinct in some way, but when I put Radiohead out as something to listen to, I by no means think they're doing anything new or different. I just think they do it well and happen to be getting mainstream attention, which is rare in these times. "...why they should check something out in the first place." How about because it's good. Just my 2 cents. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 09:04 AM, Andre LaFosse wrote: >> I'm simply interested in knowing what it is about a particular work >> that > someone feels is noteworthy or important to them - i.e., why is it > "essential?" I don't want to create a jury board that a recording has > to pass before it can be posted on a web site... but I do think it's > worth engaging in enough of a discourse so that people know why they > should check something out in the first place. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 17:52:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PLnwr05846; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:49:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:49:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01dd01c33b63$7dbc4f40$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:48:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has anyone had experience shipping an EDP to England? What would that > cost after taxes and shipping? Musician's Friend have got them for $799 + $99 for the foot controller. no idea what shipping would be, or if they ship outside the US. duty and VAT is pretty expensive - see this site for more details. http://www.sloanefox.freeserve.co.uk/importukduty.htm IIRC, the last time I had a bass shipped to the UK, valued at $800, it cost me about £125 for duty, but the rate for an echoplex may be different, as different items carry different taxes, I think... Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 18:25:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PMMb108806; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:22:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:22:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:22:23 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000001c33b68$43ae4d80$121d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001301c33b45$a4a38d30$650a230a@ws42554> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everybody, I have solved the problem now. It was my own fault :-I and I apologize for taking up the list bandwidth with such a stupid mistake of mine (blushing). Right now I found out that my midi foot controller button for record did not send midi note on 38 (as I programmed it) but note no 1. The simple explanation is of course that I have happened to change it by mistake while programming. Forgot the FCB in programming mode when starting a new EDP session by stepping the very same button for record; that's how it happened. Strange thing is that midi number 1 also induces Record, just like 38. A big thanks, anyway, to all of you that tried to help :-) Best regards Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 19:01:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PN0im12495; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:00:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:00:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c33b6d$997d36e0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030616015339.009d7a50@pop.earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030617174649.022028c0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:53:05 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Kim Flint" eloquently put forth: > To set that record straight a little bit, I never even heard of Robert > Fripp until long after I was into looping. I played guitar for a good 12 > years or so before that and didn't ever hear of him then either. I never > remember any other musician friends, teachers, or even magazine articles > discussing him while I was growing up, and I was a guitar fanatic at the > time. It seems to me he was mainly an influence on a different generation > from mine. Sorry if your generation's heros didn't become mine, but that > wasn't really my doing. It's okay. I'd never heard of huge list of artists including David Torn (sorry!) until I was on this list. Still haven't heard a vast majority of the stuff discussed, either, beyond Internet URLs. This is mostly because [a] I don't really listen to the radio (and LA radio sucked when I was there anyway; [b] I usually just have enough money to buy blank CD-Rs (and that's LATELY!); and [c] the CDs I've added to my collection since oh, 1995 have been thanks to swaps and Christmas/Birthday presents. (If anyone's got a suggestion for stimulating radio in the UK that you don't have to put up with hearing a boy/girl band to hear nuggets, I'd love to hear it!) So yes, it might seem a bit limiting! There IS the Internet, thank God. It's been my only real channel for new music since 1996, besides the suggestions of this list. And so my first request/suggestion for the future, when folks say so-and-so is really cool and so forth, gimme a URL! We're in the midst of a move within the next month or so (yes, another one!) and selling a flat, but up at Mum's house we'll be getting broadband, and so I'll be able to listen to music and whatnot with impunity, and not a lot of gaps, either. :) But back to the discussion. I started playing guitar 'round 1970, because my Dad's guitar lessons went south after the store went broke, and let him keep the nameless guitar, which languished in the corner of the TV room, rendered to uh, decoration. I snaked it upstairs very soon, and until 1979 or so played general rock. You know, ROCK? I found myself in suburban New Jersey after an aborted stay at Syracuse University in 1979; and the scene at the time in the NYC area was just fucking reverberating with new stuff all the time. Very exciting. During this period I "discovered" Fripp and Eno, unless you include King Crimson's first album; and, to be frank, I was a very stubborn, often pragmatic person as an artist at least at the time, so much so when in school. Very reluctant to take the slightest suggestion, much less recommendations for Music You Might Dig. Amongst such recommendations I recall were Roxy Music and Brian Eno. Shame on me! Immersed in the wonderful media attention that new music got in the NYC area back then before I moved to LA in 1984, I was finally exposed to Fripp's work, and re-exposed to Roxy, Eno, etc. - getting to Fripp play live multiple times, becoming some kind of musical disciple in a sense, and after seeing the diagram on the back of Discreet Music, saw my future, if not a severe case of Techno-Lust. I didn't get my first looping device, my beloved DDS Time Machine 7.6, until I got it in 1992. I like to think that I've been part of a huge tide of home recording artists (not just "enthusiasts", thank you very much!), that started in the early 80s, and became the wave it is today, thanks to the lower prices of components. Excelsior! To distinguish that period (1979-1984 for me) from the present one, people for the most part back then used different signatures for their beats, and didn't equate musical climax with simply turning up the BPM to the max. So much for that. To finish on a point of advice from someone who was very difficult to give it to once, I say don't be difficult when folks who think you might like something push it on yez. Hell, who knows what my work would be like if I'd just sat down and listened to Music for Films, in 1977? Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 19:52:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5PNpYD16902; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:51:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:51:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings References: <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030625112606.02174060@loopers-delight.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:51:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625112606.02174060@loopers-delight.com> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:57:04 -0700, Kim Flint wrote: > Bill Frisell is another name mentioned very often as an influence by > loopers. It seems like he should be in the essential list for that > reason. What are some other significant looping albums of his? I think what sets Frisell apart is how integrates his looping into his "normal" playing, so it'd probably be better to use an album where he is playing with other musicians. Maybe one of the trio albums with Joey Baron and bass-player-whose-name-i-forget? I think those are all late 80's though. I'm not even sure if he was even using loops back then, but he was definitely using them in the first Naked City album. -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 20:42:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q0fMQ21657; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:41:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:41:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030625184758.008314b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:47:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: The Bounciest of Squirrels... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh my God!, this is hilarious! I just took that file down the night before last! lol! I'll upload it again, to a slightly different url and repost to the list, K? I'd love to hear what your thoughts are. Talk with ya soon. Thanks so much for your interest... Smiles, Cara At 01:49 PM 6/25/03 +0200, you wrote: >> OK, I think I fixed it. It was the space. So, you can now find it >>here: >> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/BouncySquirrels.wav >> >> So lemme' know if it works, and what ya think, K? Have an even more >>bouncy evening!... >> >>Bouncily yours, > >er, no, file not found... > >also, can I download the files? seems the browser only wants to stream it? > >thank you >Matthias > >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 20:50:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q0nYP22334; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:49:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:49:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625173838.03235fb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:50:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625112606.02174060@loopers-delight.com> <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030625112606.02174060@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:51 PM 6/25/2003, you wrote: >On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:57:04 -0700, Kim Flint >wrote: >>Bill Frisell is another name mentioned very often as an influence by >>loopers. It seems like he should be in the essential list for that >>reason. What are some other significant looping albums of his? > >I think what sets Frisell apart is how integrates his looping into his >"normal" playing, so it'd probably be better to use an album where he is >playing with other musicians. Maybe one of the trio albums with Joey >Baron and bass-player-whose-name-i-forget? I think those are all late >80's though. I'm not even sure if he was even using loops back then, but >he was definitely using them in the first Naked City album. Unfortunately I'm not too familiar with much of Frisell's work. It's been on my to-listen list for ages but somehow hasn't ever made it to the top. In fact, interestingly, the only album I own with him on it is John Zorn's "Naked City"! I haven't listened to that in years, so I just put it on. Do you remember particular tracks where his use of loops stood out? (I know, I could just keep listening, but I'm lazy.) Any other Frisell albums that stand out, where his use of looping made an impact? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 21:10:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q18h123820; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:08:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:08:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625164954.02221e88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:09:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <375D2BA6-A756-11D7-A85D-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> References: <3EF9C80A.6BB65D66@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:44 PM 6/25/2003, mark wrote: >I've got to disagree with Andre's idea of what an "essential" recording >is. Why should it have to be technically groundbreaking in some way? >Can't it just be really good music? (In this case really good loop music) That seems like another fine way for something to be included on the "essential recordings" page at LD. Sometimes the first use of a new idea or technique is not really a very good piece of music. For a list of recordings that people interested in looping should really check out, it may be much better to find some use of that idea or technique that was also really good music, even though it came a bit later. I'll never forget the experience of being in computer music class in college listening to discussions of really interesting approaches to composition or sound design or instruments or whatever that some academic composer had thought up, followed by truly horrible musical examples created by that same academic. I sure don't want to repeat that here! But part of the point of the essential recordings page is that the music was significant or influential to looping in some way. One way could be that it is simply good music with loops that a lot of people liked, and therefore influenced a lot of people to get interested in looping. Radiohead could fit there, I don't know really. Can you suggest an album and write a paragraph reviewing how it used loops and how it made some impact? I think we have a couple of Radiohead albums around here someplace. I'll have to find them and listen again, after the John Zorn skronk-a-thon I've got on now. We do want to avoid having the "Essential Recording" page be filled with hundreds of albums that one person or another happened to like and that happened to use looping somewhere. Michael and I have both had the experience over the past few years of people emailing us suggestions like that where the group had no obvious impact on the looping universe. We think the bar should be a little higher for this section. We want to do another section where loopers can put up all their favorite cds on their own and include little reviews and such. (by the way, is somebody interested in helping out with that? I figure there is probably some precreated php app out there that exactly serves this purpose, maybe we just need to hunt it down and set it up.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 21:14:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q1DaD24298; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:13:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029501c33b80$292be0e0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030616000422.0079f980@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030625184758.008314b0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Bounciest of Squirrels... Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 02:13:31 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, please. :{P > Oh my God!, this is hilarious! I just took that file down the night > before last! lol! I'll upload it again, to a slightly different url and > repost to the list, K? I'd love to hear what your thoughts are. Talk > with ya soon. Thanks so much for your interest... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 01:49 PM 6/25/03 +0200, you wrote: > >> OK, I think I fixed it. It was the space. So, you can now find it > >>here: > >> > >>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates/BouncySquirrels.wav > >> > >> So lemme' know if it works, and what ya think, K? Have an even more > >>bouncy evening!... > >> > >>Bouncily yours, > > > >er, no, file not found... > > > >also, can I download the files? seems the browser only wants to stream it? > > > >thank you > >Matthias > > > >-- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 21:28:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q1RT025385; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:27:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:27:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.167.92.38] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:27:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2003 01:27:23.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[1840E800:01C33B82] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI, the bass player from his trio with Joey Baron was Kermit Driscoll. If you want to hear him loop in the context of that group setting, check out “the films of Buster Keaton” CD’s. Personally, I like the aspect that Frisell uses loops as one part of his vocabulary. He makes more interesting sounds on the good old Digitech Echo+ petal then most people can create w/ a truckload of gear. Regards Lou Rossi “Lou plays the Chapman Stick and does beautiful & fantastic things with the instrument” -Elliott Sharp >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 >17:50:03 -0700 > >At 04:51 PM 6/25/2003, you wrote: >>On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:57:04 -0700, Kim Flint >>wrote: >>>Bill Frisell is another name mentioned very often as an influence by >>>loopers. It seems like he should be in the essential list for that >>>reason. What are some other significant looping albums of his? >> >>I think what sets Frisell apart is how integrates his looping into his >>"normal" playing, so it'd probably be better to use an album where he is >>playing with other musicians. Maybe one of the trio albums with Joey >>Baron and bass-player-whose-name-i-forget? I think those are all late >>80's though. I'm not even sure if he was even using loops back then, but >>he was definitely using them in the first Naked City album. > >Unfortunately I'm not too familiar with much of Frisell's work. It's been >on my to-listen list for ages but somehow hasn't ever made it to the top. >In fact, interestingly, the only album I own with him on it is John Zorn's >"Naked City"! I haven't listened to that in years, so I just put it on. Do >you remember particular tracks where his use of loops stood out? (I know, I >could just keep listening, but I'm lazy.) > >Any other Frisell albums that stand out, where his use of looping made an >impact? > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 21:57:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q1qog27031; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:52:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:52:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c33b85$a1a462e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20030625192909.24874.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:52:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry, but I'm going to be less sensitive, articulate and forgiving than Andre, Kim, and others on this list have been. Terry, you sound like quite an egomaniac. It seems like the concepts that were (are?) being discussed - namely, what technical or artistic aspects of loop based recordings have been influential on us - passed right through your skull, and translated into a request to tell us how great you, Robert Fripp, and some magazines think you are. I've listened to your stuff. Great chops... no offense, and of course this is my opinion, but I find it bland and lifeless. Andre seems to like it tho. :) Finally, I was a bit shocked with your posts earlier this month, in which you tried to pass backhanded judgement on Robert Fripp's demeanor and his attitude towards his fans. Not that I'm shocked that he has (does, will, can) behave that way. I know he does. And really, who cares? Instead, I was shocked that someone with personal connection to an artist would take time to personally attack him in a very public forum. But now, it sort of makes sense. I can see that your motivations are much more geared to the more shallow aspects of personal popularity, and less so towards true artistry. Ultimately, you've hurt even that goal with many of us, I'm sure. Imagine how I see you now - as a needy high school kid, nudging his buddies and telling them how Mr. Fripp said you're better than that dumb ole Belew guy. And how you were the only guy, besides Dr. Fripp, looping guitar in the 80s. All of this, while you also admit you didn't know who David Torn was until a few weeks ago, and you clearly have trouble understanding how to use a basic rack mounted device after reading the manual 6 times. I know, I know. Play nice. Or maybe I'm just in a bad mood. But damn - you are quite a jerk. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:29 PM Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Hi Andre. I don't really care for your work either so the feeling is mutual. Feel free to not add me to your history section. But I was there. Fripp once took me aside and told me that I could play things Adrian Belew couldn't play in his wildest dreams. I respect his opinion a bit more than yours. Here are about 500 e-mails from people who disagree with you and loved my work. http://home.cinci.rr.com/terryblankenship/trancegodzguestbook.html Granted my early CDs from 1985 did not sell that well (only about 5000 copies each), so they did not have a big impact on millions of people. I can see where that would rule me out. At the time I recorded these I had not heard anyone else use an e-bow for looping. Fripp didn't use one at the time. I hadn't heard anyone else doing polyrhytmic acoustic guitar looping. The techniques I used are completely irrelevant. Its the resulting music that matters. Was the music innovative for the time? I think it was. You have the right to disagree. Here are a couple of press reviews form 1985 for my "Daemon" lp. Press reviews: OPTION MAGAZINE - "Daemon" is an amazing electric guitar tour-de-force, superbly composed, recorded, and performed. SOUND CHOICE - "Daemon" is a one man band release that is the finest indy cd that I've had the pleasure to review. A remarkably well performed and composed collection that showcase an original artist and his mastery of the technology." _________________________________________________________ Alternative Rhythms -features drum and keyboard loops, and guitar (from my Daemon lp in 1985.) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4311 _________________________________________________________ Dissociation - features guitar loops, drum loops in 5/4 over 4/4, and guitar solos. (from my Daemon lp in 1985.) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4678 _________________________________________________________ Ketjak -features polyrhythmic acoustic guitar loops (from my Daemon lp in 1985.) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4303 _________________________________________________________ Attention - features guitar loops (from my Daemon lp in 1985.) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4425 _________________________________________________________ Harmonium - is all guitar featuring four different loops (from my Entering The Silence lp in 1985) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4304 __________________________________________________________ Entering The Silence - looped guitar (from my Entering The Silence lp in 1985) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=4314 Trance World - features trance music and world music combined with looped guitar (Trance Godz - Trance World CD 2000) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=6575 __________________________________________________________ The Alchemist - featues trance and world music with looped guitar (Trance Godz - Trance World CD 2000) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=8224 __________________________________________________________ Fire Dance - My Harmonium track from 1985 with added world percussion. (Trance Godz - Trance World CD 2000) http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=8223 Have fun trashing these Andre if you feel the need to. All the very best! Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 22:03:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q1uto27321; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:56:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:56:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626015649.73523.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:56:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030617174649.022028c0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > Looper's Delight is named after an old rap song! Wow, for all this time I'd been associating it with a fingerstyle guitar piece by Stefan Grossman and John Renbourn, but now that I finally think about it, that isn't even the right title! The piece I'm thinking of is called "Looper's Corner" and has nothing whatsoever to do with looping! [Or Fripp... :-)] -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 22:15:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q2ELJ28577; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:14:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:14:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:10:49 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: essential loop recordings In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625164954.02221e88@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <070b01c33b88$29fcf2e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6KAEp.A.X-G.9bl--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there's a pretty good site for progheads at www.gnosis2000.net their raters are a chosen few, but i like the format. they use a rating system from 1-15 where 1 is "awful" and 15 is "perfect". one of the cool things about the site is that you can sort by different criteria, including by rater. i happen to know someone involved in that project that might help out maybe. if not, we could still learn from them. if so, obviously we would have to change the code to allow for more open postings and to add space for text reviews. maybe link it to the list sub somehow. then again, maybe this would be overkill. i'm not going to ask him unless people seem to like this. > ... > think the bar should be a little higher for this section. We > want to do > another section where loopers can put up all their favorite > cds on their > own and include little reviews and such. (by the way, is somebody > interested in helping out with that? I figure there is probably some > precreated php app out there that exactly serves this > purpose, maybe we > just need to hunt it down and set it up.) > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 22:16:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q2EL028605; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:14:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:14:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:13:27 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: essential loop recordings In-reply-to: <006901c33b85$a1a462e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <070c01c33b88$889541e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com relax, kids. new shimmer is a floor wax AND a dessert topping... > ... > I'm sorry, but I'm going to be less sensitive, articulate and > forgiving than Andre, Kim, and others on this list have been. > ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 22:17:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q2FYn28721; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:15:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625191234.022404a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:16:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: SV: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 In-Reply-To: <000001c33b68$43ae4d80$121d6dd4@LILLPELLE> References: <001301c33b45$a4a38d30$650a230a@ws42554> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:22 PM 6/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: >Strange thing is that midi number 1 also induces >Record, just like 38. hm, it also doesn't do that here. are you sure you didn't happen to change the LoopTrig parameter to 1? and maybe turn Autorecord on? Then it would do what you describe. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 22:20:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q2Jvp29328; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:16:26 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Torn's essential loop recordings In-reply-to: <3EF9DB88.9F0A0A29@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <070d01c33b88$f2b4ebc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually, my favourite torn album is cloud about mercury. but he insists it's not a looping album, so there you go... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 22:49:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q2m9031584; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:48:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:48:14 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: essential loop recordings In-reply-to: <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <071301c33b8d$6415be80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5Q2m8B31560 Resent-Message-ID: <9UEB.A.XtH.o7l--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I concur Jim, it's a big Bill Laswell thing going on with the tala matrix, what a collection of >>>drummers!! The contemporary asian and fusion scene is great, get your ears around some bhangra, www.dholfoundation.com or try the afrocelts www.afrocelts.com . >Check out the master musicians of jajouka, Talvin did some work there too. There are certainly loops used in all the stuff we talk about but I don't know how much is looping? A lot will be samples I'm sure just starting to scratch the surface of this stuff. thanks. if nothing else, this thread is going to give me a bunch of new stuff to check out. have you checked out laswells loops for acid? pretty cool stuff. >I was an investigative child and made my first tape loop at about age 10 you got me beat. but my first loop was made by bouncing from cassette tapes decks (the kind you grandpa had where the tape went in on top, mechanical transport control "buttons", etc) i just kept pausing on the down beat on the record deck and played the play deck til it hit the phrase again then unpaused. pause. rewind. repeat. i actually did a performance with the loops all recorded this way, and played back on one of the same crappy cassette decks into a guitar amp. ah, the crazy stories... of course it wasn't LiveLooping(tm)! >I offer pendulum as a contender if it satisfies the looping tag. clearly it does. and is also now on my list of albums to pick up. all this "is it looping" stuff reminds me of the surrealist meetings where they were primarily concerned with who was in... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 22:59:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q2sPA32149; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:54:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:54:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625192531.0321b738@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:54:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: cd review page In-Reply-To: <070b01c33b88$29fcf2e0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625164954.02221e88@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm, I went to it and saw matrices with numbers all over the place. there were more numbers than words. It scared me. Somehow it seems appropriate that you need a mathematics degree to understand a prog review site. (haha, sorry I couldn't resist.) Being able to rate the albums is a good idea though. And then being able sort by ratings or reviewer or whatever while browsing is good too. It just needs to be more user friendly. If anybody comes across something like that let me know. kim At 07:10 PM 6/25/2003, Jim Palmer wrote: >there's a pretty good site for progheads at >www.gnosis2000.net > >their raters are a chosen few, but i like the format. >they use a rating system from 1-15 where 1 is "awful" >and 15 is "perfect". one of the cool things about the site >is that you can sort by different criteria, including by >rater. > >i happen to know someone involved in that project that >might help out maybe. if not, we could still learn from >them. if so, obviously we would have to change the code >to allow for more open postings and to add space for text reviews. >maybe link it to the list sub somehow. >then again, maybe this would be overkill. >i'm not going to ask him unless people seem to like this. > > > ... > > We > > want to do > > another section where loopers can put up all their favorite > > cds on their > > own and include little reviews and such. (by the way, is somebody > > interested in helping out with that? I figure there is probably some > > precreated php app out there that exactly serves this > > purpose, maybe we > > just need to hunt it down and set it up.) > > > > kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 23:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q2x5X32650; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:59:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:59:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:59:04 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: essential loop recordings In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20030624223142.007a1100@pop.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <071401c33b8e$eabcc360$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2k3dJ.A.B-H.5Fm--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Don't forget Radiohead. hey, i didn't... but i did forget > > The First Day, and Damage. as both of them demonstrate, >... and > 2) Ben Neill - > > 'Green Machine', 'Triptycal', 'Goldbug': Neill's use > of the 'mutantrumpet', his own invention, is > impressive. With it, in addition to playing regular > and slide trumpet, he also triggers loops, manipulates > them in real time, plays basslines and even controls > his lightshow. > and while we are at it i better add: beastie boys - check your head my list is getting way too long, though. and i'm probably not going to write reviews so, maybe i should stop. the gnosis style would settle this problem, though. the essential recordings would be the ones with the highest ratings. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 23:13:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q3Bnh01355; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:11:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:07:29 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: cd review page In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625192531.0321b738@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <071501c33b90$1492f2d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it really is easy to use. and much easier than say, using an edp... or searching the ld archives... it could look better, though. i bet that wouldn't be hard to do. they have thousands of albums in their database and we would probably have a few hundred at most... if you read the section in the faq on their rating system, it explains it pretty well... even the horribly complexified "standard deviation" rating is easy as dirt. ok, too many posts from me... > > hmm, I went to it and saw matrices with numbers all over the > place. there > were more numbers than words. It scared me. Somehow it seems > appropriate > that you need a mathematics degree to understand a prog > review site. (haha, > sorry I couldn't resist.) > > Being able to rate the albums is a good idea though. And then > being able > sort by ratings or reviewer or whatever while browsing is > good too. It just > needs to be more user friendly. If anybody comes across > something like that > let me know. > > kim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 23:29:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q3S0U02351; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:28:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:28:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626032759.20899.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:27:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: RE: Torn's essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <070d01c33b88$f2b4ebc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jim Palmer wrote: > actually, my favourite torn album is cloud about > mercury. but he insists it's not a looping album, so > thereyou go... That is a great album. He's quite the guitar player isn't he. Good rhythm section also. He is a very good progressive rock and jazz fusion player to my ears. His looping CDs are good to me because he can actually play the guitar great and is not using looping as a cover up for an inability to play well (as is sometimes the case). He is very musical also. All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 23:37:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q3YW102917; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:34:27 -0700 Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <17027572-A787-11D7-B2D7-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second that mention....I go back to it over and over for ideas and it never fails to bring up something new... On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Dave Trenkel wrote: >> > > I find it interesting that no one's mentioned DT's Splattercell::OAH > disc yet, to me, that's the pinnacle of his work (so far). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 23:41:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q3d4T03264; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:39:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:39:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626033903.98930.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625173838.03235fb0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > Any other Frisell albums that stand out, where his > use of looping made an impact? > > kim I have never heard a Frisell recording but a lot of people seem to like him. David Torn listed him as an influence in one of his articles. I'll be sure to check his recordings out in the near future. What are his best CDs that feature looping? All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 23:50:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q3nEP04275; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:49:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:49:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:53:40 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bassloop,the CD. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So,We have a wonderful list of contributers.And I'm very excited to hear everyones work.The "problem" is that with 19 people we would all be limited to a little over 3 minutes...So how would people feel about a Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass created in real time.-and Volume II "plays well with others"-other musicians,drum machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!! I'm not sure this would result in an even division of our talents but,I suspect it will.. I need to know if; 1. This sounds good to everyone 2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II (I have thought of other options,so has Dave Talento, and this seems to be the most inclusive and potentially interesting to bassists and loopists.I guese we'll see how this works out) > 1.Max Valentino > > 2.Dan Soltzberg > > 3.Alex Stahl > > 4.Rick Walker > > 5.Cameron Street > > 6.Duncan Goddard > > 7.Jeese Ray Lucas > > 8.me > > 9.Doug @ jumpcut ? > > 10.Evan Meyers > > 11.Jair Rohm Packer Wells > > 12.OJ > > 13.Gregory Bruce Campbell > > 14.Chris Filber > > 15.Weg > > 16.Steve Lawson > > 17.Mark Christiansen > > 18.Dave Trenkel 19.David Talento PEACE Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 23:54:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q3q7U04658; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:52:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:52:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030625215843.00a2fba0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:58:43 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Bouncing again... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, well, the squirrels are awake and bouncing again! To find them, bounce here: http://home.earthlink.net/~glymmer/bouncysquirrels.wav Bounce on... Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 23:55:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q3s9W04892; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:54:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626035407.17282.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: RE: Echoplex w/drum machine question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625135903.021bea40@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim, I'm working with someone currently that is asking me to give him loops a certain length, at a certain BPM, and in a certain timings, sometimes in polyrhythms. Usually odd timings. I'm experimenting with the odd timings currently. I figured I needed to use quantized functions but I wasn't sure. Thanks again for your help. It's nice to know there is someone out there who can and will help you out when you run up against a brick wall trying to figure something out on the echoplex. The echoplex will definitely open up many new possibilites for me than trying to use two revoxes and an old 4 track Dokorder like I started on, or my old Electro Harmonix 16 sec digital delays. I actually bought the Echoplex because of its sound quality compared to other units. I had no idea som many things were possible with it. Thanks again. All the very best! Terry -- Kim Flint wrote: > At 12:21 AM 6/25/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: > >I am starting to see some light through the trees > here > >thanks to you. > > great, I'm glad it's starting to work for you! > > >There are still a couple of things I need to work > out. > > > >I am correct in assuming that you really need to be > >working with all quantized functions and with the > >switch quant turned on, to keep loops synced up > with a > >drum machine no matter how you are manipulating the > >echoplex? > > It depends on the application, but I think for what > you are trying to do > the answer is yes. Your need seems to be keeping the > startpoints of the > loops lined up at all times. For that you want to > quantize everything. > > Personally I find it much more interesting to > intentionally dealign loops > from each other, to set up different rhythmic > relationships between them > and change them on the fly. I love the new functions > of the Echoplex that > let it keep track of all this while you do it, and > then give you the power > to ReAlign them back together. For this type of use > you wouldn't use > Quantize at all, or use Quantize = 8th to keep > things lined up on sub > divisions of the cycles. > > >I didn't have the switch quant on before. > > that only affects loop switching when using multiple > loops. I don't think > you mentioned that you were switching loops before, > in which case it > wouldn't matter how you set the SwitchQuant > parameter. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 25 23:59:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q3wes05435; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:58:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:58:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:58:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625112606.02174060@loopers-delight.com> <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030625112606.02174060@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030625173838.03235fb0@loopers-delight.com> From: ernesto schnack Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625173838.03235fb0@loopers-delight.com> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:50:03 -0700, Kim Flint wrote: > Unfortunately I'm not too familiar with much of Frisell's work. It's been > on my to-listen list for ages but somehow hasn't ever made it to the top. > In fact, interestingly, the only album I own with him on it is John > Zorn's "Naked City"! I haven't listened to that in years, so I just put > it on. Do you remember particular tracks where his use of loops stood > out? (I know, I could just keep listening, but I'm lazy.) > The only track where it is obvious that I've noticed is the beginning of track 5. The beginning of Batman has always perplexed me because it might be him using the delay to do that pitch shifting, unless he was using a whammy bar back then? I think the Buster Keaton cd Lou mentioned could be a good choice. It is generally considered one of his best cd's. I wish I had all my Frisell cd's with me so I could give them a listen. Right now I don't have anything from before the late 90's. Anybody more familar with his discography know when he started using the delay? Was he already using it on his first album on ECM? -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 00:02:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q3xi605555; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:59:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030626033903.98930.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9AEDF6E0-A78A-11D7-B2D7-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh my god Terry...Run, don't walk, to your car at once and drive like a bat out of hell to the nearest record shop and purchase any and all Frisell they have in stock. If the shop is closed, sleep on the sidewalk overnight. If the cops chase you, use evasive maneuvers. It's some of the greatest music you will ever hear! He clearly uses looping along with the volume pedal as major components of his sound, but it's those melodies that knock me out everytime. I heartily recommend as starter Frisell albums; Quartet Nashville Good Dog, Happy Man and well just get it all. I did and I am the better for it. On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 08:39 PM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > --- Kim Flint wrote: > >> Any other Frisell albums that stand out, where his >> use of looping made an impact? >> >> kim > > I have never heard a Frisell recording but a lot of > people seem to like him. David Torn listed him as an > influence in one of his articles. I'll be sure to > check his recordings out in the near future. What are > his best CDs that feature looping? > > All the very best! > Terry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 00:04:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q43MW06338; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:03:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:03:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EFA7095.2040509@spnz.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:03:33 -0500 From: Dave Stagner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings References: <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030624125517.02a98e80@loopers-delight.com> <3EF8E053.7000707@quik.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030625112606.02174060@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2H-vEB.A.1iB.JCn--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haven't gotten through all the messages, but here are a couple of looping recordings no one has mentioned, that were a big influence on me: Roger Miller - Maximum Electric Piano In the late 1980s, Miller was using a rig consisting of a Yamaha electric baby grand, an EH 16 second delay, an analog delay, a fuzz box, a volume pedal, and Cage-style prepared piano techniques to pour insane amounts of sound out into the world. I saw him do this live and was never the same. This album, probably long out of print, captured the essence of what he was doing. Power Tools - Strange Meeting Frisell, Melvin Gibbs, and Ronald Shannon Jackson, live to DAT. Frisell's looping was more obvious then, which i think was a GOOD thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 00:26:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q4PGD08085; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:25:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:25:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626042515.22347.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Trashing vs. Critiquing (was: essential loop recordings) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EFA0D28.E8091717@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andre, Thanks. Sorry for the misunderstanding. This is a very good list, in particular with respect to the echoplex and its many possibilities. The only looping lps I ever put out were in 1985 (and not again until 2000). They only sold a total of 10,000 copies and were not re-printed (until very recently). So I guess I influenced only about 10,000 people (from 18 years ago) and none at all since then. Which really is not a lot at all in the larger scheme of things. I've played bouzouki, mandola, and mandolin in a Celtic band exclusively for the last 7 years. I just recently decided to try some experimental guitar work again. I'd really only heard Fripp and Eno (and Fripps solo recordings) when I started doing it and I did not listen to any looping recordings at all between about 1987 and 2000. It is interesting listening to the loopers from the CT Project and looping CDs being suggested by the list. I actually love Adrian Belews work by the way. I watched his video recently. Everything he does is musical to me. He seemed to be having a really good time making the video. I've discovered David Torns looping CDs and re-discovered Steve Tibbetts who I had listened to but didn't know he was looping. They are my two favourite current loopers. Peace, All the very best! Terry --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > Dear Terry, > > I think you've seriously misinterpreted my comments, > and I'm genuinely sorry to have offended you as I > seem to have done, as it certainly wasn't my > intention. I'm not trying to trash you or your work > by any means. On the contrary, I've made several > mentions throughout this thread that you're clearly > a very accomplished and talented fellow. > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 00:45:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q4cbD09571; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:38:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:38:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626043836.9147.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:38:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Creating The Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030617174649.022028c0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim. That was a very interesting and informative post. I stand corrected. The SF Tape Music Center sounds wonderful. That must have been a blast. (I lived Kraftwerk also). Actually my main influence for looping was Steve Reich, but he did it with live musicians when I saw him. You mentioned Les Paul. How did he do the layering things he did live. I've seen him in videos with that little black box on his guitar layering things. All the very best! Terry > > So what was the influence on me? In the looping > universe I fell into, I can > see obvious connections to the SF Tape Music center > and various related > musicians and composers. The new music scene in the > SF bay area is full of > that influence. You hear it everywhere here, and > I've been soaking it in > for years. > > But most important, the SF Tape Center influence is > why the people at the > Gibson R&D lab where I once worked in Berkeley > thought the LoopDelay > looping machine that Matthias Grob created was > exciting, and why we ended > up licensing it and working on it with Matthias and > turning it into the > EDP. These were people interested, and even friends > with, looping musicians > like Pauline Oliveros, Terry Riley, Paul Dresher, > etc. Those were well > known names around Gibson's g-wiz labs. > > The Nashville end of Gibson liked the looper idea > more due to finger > pickers who used loops and delays, like Chet Atkins > and Phil Keaggy, and of > course Les Paul. They even wanted to do a version of > the Echoplex called > the "Les Paulverizer" after the tape machine trick > Les Paul used to use. > That is why Gibson was willing to commit the > resources to do a project like > the Echoplex. > > The electronic repetition in those music styles I > listened to can be > obviously connected to groups like Kraftwerk and the > various European > experimenters who influenced them, > If you trace back the historical lineage of > the use of loops in hip > hop, industrial/goth, most electronic dance music, > and synth pop, you pass > through Kraftwerk most of the time, and then back to > the SF Tape Center > scene, Stockhausen, Varese, etc. Fripp is on some > other branch of the tree > that started from those same 60's influences and > went another direction. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 01:03:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q526Y11607; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:02:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:02:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <24.413f8c90.2c2bd844@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:01:56 EDT Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_24.413f8c90.2c2bd844_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_24.413f8c90.2c2bd844_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's not forget the band Seefeel...in particular, the album Quique. They tend to use 'obvious' guitar loops as an integral part of their material. Also; in addition to his release that Dave mentioned earlier, Roger Miller has a release out called 'Elemental Guitar' which is veeery loop heavy (using the EH 16 sec. delay as well). -Todd --part1_24.413f8c90.2c2bd844_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's not forget the band= Seefeel...in particular, the album Quique.  They tend to= use 'obvious' guitar loops as an integral part of their material.
Also; in addition to his release that Dave mentioned earlier, Roger M= iller has a release out called 'Elemental Guitar' which is veeery= loop heavy (using the EH 16 sec. delay as well).  -Todd --part1_24.413f8c90.2c2bd844_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 01:13:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q5CYd12382; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:12:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:12:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030626043836.9147.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030626043836.9147.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:08:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Creating The Echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:38 PM -0700 6/25/03, Terry Blankenship wrote: >You mentioned Les Paul. How did he do the layering >things he did live. I've seen him in videos with that >little black box on his guitar layering things. That was just a sham. He had everything prerecorded on cassette and controlled playback from a switch on his guitar. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 01:25:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q5OqY13474; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:24:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:24:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c33ba3$4f9c7eb0$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> Subject: kungha@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:25:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure. Sounds good to me. I would end up on Disc II. Sincerely, Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott kungha drengsen" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: Bassloop,the CD. > So,We have a wonderful list of contributers.And I'm very excited to > hear everyones work.The "problem" is that with 19 people we would all be > limited to a little over 3 minutes...So how would people feel about a > Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass created in real > time.-and Volume II "plays well with others"-other musicians,drum > machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!! > I'm not sure this would result in an even division of our talents but,I > suspect it will.. > I need to know if; > 1. This sounds good to everyone > 2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II > (I have thought of other options,so has Dave Talento, and this seems to > be the most inclusive and potentially interesting to bassists and > loopists.I guese we'll see how this works out) > > 1.Max Valentino > > > 2.Dan Soltzberg > > > 3.Alex Stahl > > > 4.Rick Walker > > > 5.Cameron Street > > > 6.Duncan Goddard > > > 7.Jeese Ray Lucas > > > 8.me > > > 9.Doug @ jumpcut ? > > > 10.Evan Meyers > > > 11.Jair Rohm Packer Wells > > > 12.OJ > > > 13.Gregory Bruce Campbell > > > 14.Chris Filber > > > 15.Weg > > > 16.Steve Lawson > > > 17.Mark Christiansen > > > 18.Dave Trenkel > 19.David Talento > PEACE > Scott > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 01:26:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q5OBJ13379; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c33ba3$914daa00$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <24.413f8c90.2c2bd844@aol.com> Subject: Re: essential loop recordings - seefeel Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:26:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C33B82.09CFB3A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [151.199.20.26] at Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:24:04 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C33B82.09CFB3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I completely 1,000,000% back up any vote for Seefeel and Quique. = Recorded in 1993, this feels a little like "My Bloody Valentine" meets = "Autechre."=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: THusken@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:01 AM Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Let's not forget the band Seefeel...in particular, the album Quique. = They tend to use 'obvious' guitar loops as an integral part of their = material.=20 Also; in addition to his release that Dave mentioned earlier, Roger = Miller has a release out called 'Elemental Guitar' which is veeery loop = heavy (using the EH 16 sec. delay as well). -Todd ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C33B82.09CFB3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I completely 1,000,000% back up any = vote for=20 Seefeel and Quique.  Recorded in = 1993,=20 this feels a little like "My Bloody Valentine" meets "Autechre." =
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 THusken@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 = 1:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: essential loop=20 recordings

Let's not = forget the=20 band Seefeel...in particular, the album Quique. =  They tend=20 to use 'obvious' guitar loops as an integral part of their material. =
Also;=20 in addition to his release that Dave mentioned earlier, Roger = Miller=20 has a release out called 'Elemental Guitar' which is veeery = loop heavy=20 (using the EH 16 sec. delay as well).  -Todd=20
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C33B82.09CFB3A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 04:30:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q8PAG25833; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:25:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: SV: EDP quest: unrounded multiply --> record goes back to loop 1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:25:00 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000001c33bbc$7035f2a0$601d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625191234.022404a0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5Q8P9B25801 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > At 03:22 PM 6/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > >Strange thing is that midi number 1 also induces > >Record, just like 38. > > hm, it also doesn't do that here. are you sure you didn't > happen to change > the LoopTrig parameter to 1? and maybe turn Autorecord on? > Then it would do > what you describe. Oh yes! Thanks to Andy I tried the LoopTrig# both set to 0 and 1. Using note no 1 instead of 38 for Record then gave the side effect of either jumping to loop no 1 or jumping to loop no 2. (When I get back to HQ I'll read up on LoopTrig# in the paper manual that came with the EDP/LoopIII) All the best Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 04:42:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q8cdu26679; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:38:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:38:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:38:31 EDT Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And last, but perhaps not least, Looper's Delight is named after an old r= > ap=20 > song! that'll be "Rapper's Delight" then? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 05:08:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q95C028050; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:05:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:05:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c33bc2$09928f80$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Query - Acoustic Tile Sources in the UK? Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:04:50 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to find some good sources for acoustic tile in the UK. Anyone here know? Thx. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 05:32:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5Q9VBK29537; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:31:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:31:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <083201c33bc5$b7489810$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:31:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rappers delight by the Sugar Hill Gang, it changed my musical tastes forever from AC/DC and GOR into a whole new world of eclectic music. A hip hop a hibby a hibby dibby hip hip hoppin you don't stop the rockin til the bad man boogie say up jump the boogie to the rhythm of the boogie to be.. Now what you see is not a test.... I used to be able to quote the full 15 minutes but I have much more weighty things competing for headspace now :) some of it makes sense, some to me is just rhymes but I suppose not being from a 'hood doesn't help. Great track on a mediocre album (IIRC), not sure how much looping was involved though GM Flash & the wheels of steel makes it to the essential list which pleases me. I still have both these on vinyl, shame I have no turntable. Anyway, sorry for waxing nostalgically Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Frippertronics and Soundscapes > > And last, but perhaps not least, Looper's Delight is named after an old r= > > ap=20 > > song! > > that'll be "Rapper's Delight" then? > > andy butler > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 07:36:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QBYw804455; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:34:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:34:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EFAD940.150F7E63@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:30:08 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Essence of essential... References: <3EF9C80A.6BB65D66@earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030625164954.02221e88@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Mark. >I've got to disagree with Andre's idea of what an "essential" recording >is. Why should it have to be technically groundbreaking in some way? >Can't it just be really good music? (In this case really good loop >music) If we had an essential rock or blues discussion, would be have >he same criteria? To me, the main issue at hand is: did a recording bring something particularly noteworthy to the creative dialogue of looping? It doesn't necessarily have to be some intensely new technical element, and it doesn't have to have been popular in its time by any means. For instance, Torn's two mid-'90s albums seem like shoe-ins for "essential" recordings, and I think it's because they're pretty definitive statements of what he did. I don't know if there's anything on either of those records that totally technically unprecedented, but I don't think it matters. They get to the essence of what David does (or at least was doing with a certain window of time) and documented them more thoroughly and clearly than any of his previous recordings. And they had a big impact on a lot of people here. Sounds like a winner to me. The issue of "good music" can be a nebulous one, too. I certainly agree that "No Pussyfooting" belongs in the list, but I personally have a really hard time sitting through all of side one. I know it's the album that launched a thousand ships and had a huge impact, so it's an "important" record for sure. I wouldn't put it on for listening enjoyment, myself, though. Is it "good?" That's very subjective. For me, the album might fall into that "technically interesting but musically bland" category we're so afraid of. But that doesn't make the album unimportant, and I know a lot of people feel differently. I think the era that something was done in is an important factor as well. If Robert had done "No Pussyfooting" ten years earlier, it would have had a very different meaning, because it would have predated a lot of the time-lag SF Tape Center stuff. Does it assume a different meaning coming six years after Terry Riley's "Rainbow in Curved Air"? I would say so. Would a Fripp fan's opinion of the album change substantially after hearing Terry Rilery or other SFTMC people? That's a good question. If someone really digs The Strokes, is it important to have them listen to Lou Reed and Television? Should Lenny Kravitz fans be pointed in the direction of Jimi Hendrix and Prince? Does it "mean" something different to play ambient saxophone loops in 1998 (or even 1973) than it did in 1968? I would definitely say so, just like I'd say that it means something very different to play "Giant Steps" in 1989 (or even 1964) than it did when Coltrane did it in 1959. This is basically what I've been trying to talk about with regards to Terry's recordings as well. Are they good documents of the craft? I think so. Are they significant in terms of "bringing something to the discussion?" That's what I've been trying to determine, by asking questions regarding their relationship to what other people had done up to that point. So I do think that at a certain point an "essential recordings list" needs to have a certain selectivity - otherwise I think you'll very likely end up with (for sinstance) dozens and dozens of ambient guitar loop albums from across thirty plus years, and it becomes extremely difficult to assess what the impact of any of them may have had relative to one another. [in fast Liam Lynch voice] So, so, I was checkin' my email the other day, an', an' I get this post from Marky Sarcastillaro an' he's all like, "Eeeeeugh" an' I'm all like, "WHATevah!" ;) OK, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 07:45:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QBgNd05234; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:42:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:42:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626114217.311.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Creating The Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030626043836.9147.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > [Kim] mentioned Les Paul. How did he do the layering > things he did live. I've seen him in videos with > that little black box on his guitar layering things. Actually... you've seen him in videos with that little black box on his guitar PRETENDING to layer things. The little black box was called the 'Les Paulverizer'; what it was was a switching mechanism by which he turned on/off some pre-taped backing tracks. Ever the consumate showman, 'Rhubarb Red' recognised that it would seem cooler if people thought it was done live in real time. He was right! :-) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 07:53:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QBprA05852; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.200.93.145] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew" To: References: <01dd01c33b63$7dbc4f40$e0154ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:50:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2003 11:51:47.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[525574A0:01C33BD9] Resent-Message-ID: <-RzdgC.A.TbB.Z5t--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure if they still do, but Trace Elliot UK ( based in Maldon, Essex ) used to distribute the EDP in the UK on behalf of Gibson. You could order one direct form them. Give them a call on 01621 851 851. Then let us know what they say ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Lawson To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... > > Has anyone had experience shipping an EDP to England? What would that > > cost after taxes and shipping? > > Musician's Friend have got them for $799 + $99 for the foot controller. > > no idea what shipping would be, or if they ship outside the US. > > duty and VAT is pretty expensive - see this site for more details. > > http://www.sloanefox.freeserve.co.uk/importukduty.htm > > IIRC, the last time I had a bass shipped to the UK, valued at $800, it cost > me about £125 for duty, but the rate for an echoplex may be different, as > different items carry different taxes, I think... > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 07:58:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QBvmQ06471; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:57:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [81.0.131.113] X-Originating-Email: [mark_francombe@hotmail.com] From: "mark" To: Subject: MORE essential loop recordings etc... Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:58:08 +0200 Message-ID: <434F4E9F549A31418AB4D7EFF99B87AC0236DF@mail.t-l.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <434F4E9F549A31418AB4D7EFF99B87AC045322@mail.t-l.no> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2003 11:57:42.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[26049650:01C33BDA] Resent-Message-ID: <9rEqrD.A.-kB.8-t--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loving this fight...(confusion/misunderstanding/rejection/retraction) I had to delete a bunch of LD mails without reading them, but has anyone mentioned early Caberet Voltaire, or (even more obscure) Severed Heads. These were the bands that got ME into looping back in ohhh... about '84, predominately using prerecorded tape-loops, not strictly LIVE-looping, Severed Heads did some fantastic stuff using 8track tapeloops, fading in and out different tracks to make great noise... I heard the Fripp and Eno stuff at this time too, but frankly at the time it sounded too er... adult. Check out Severed Heads "Since the Accident" and "City Slab Horror" and... Caberet Voltaire "Voice of America" and "Mix up". ...for 80's glitch Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 07:59:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QBw6c06547; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:58:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:58:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1c9.bc8f7e3.2c2c39cb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:58:03 EDT Subject: Re: Query - Acoustic Tile Sources in the UK? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd like to find some good sources for acoustic tile in the UK. Anyone here > know? Thx. > hi Steve try Studio Spares Studio Spares,Mail Order, Accoustic Tiles, worth getting their catalog to see what's available, as they're a good source for lot's of audio related stuff don't know how they compete on price andy butler (you playing out at all?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 08:43:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QCg7h09496; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:42:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:42:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EFAE8FE.5E9C9AAD@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:37:17 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cambridge Looping Thing? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O folks, Did anyone here attend the Cambridge gig that was supposed to have happened on June 21st? Did Matthias play? Any reviews? --Dre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 08:51:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QCoBh10187; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:50:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:50:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c33be1$75e491a0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <1c9.bc8f7e3.2c2c39cb@aol.com> Subject: Re: Query - Acoustic Tile Sources in the UK? Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:49:59 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! > > I'd like to find some good sources for acoustic tile in the UK. Anyone here > > know? Thx. > > > > hi Steve > > try Studio Spares > > Studio Spares,Mail Order, Accoustic > Tiles, > > worth getting their catalog to see what's available, > as they're a good source for lot's of audio related stuff > > don't know how they compete on price > > andy butler > (you playing out at all?) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 09:28:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QDQJS13185; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:26:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:26:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.20] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:26:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2003 13:26:12.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[834DB290:01C33BE6] Resent-Message-ID: <6Euh_B.A.5ND.6Rv--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Ive been watching this thread twist and grow for a bit now, heres my additions and their reasons. I have decided to go for stuff that probably doent get mentioned much on this list but that are still tracks that have in someway advanced my playing styles within the area of looping. 1. Howie Day- Ghosts (live version) , I tracked this track down after a single comment i came across on list it was the first time I had heard (known i had heard) someone building up a backing and then playing live rythm guitar over the top, it totally changed the way i went about composing my loops, it took me from purl ambient instrumental stuff to more traditionaly structured songs. I really love ths track and probably end up playing it bout every other day.(mind you, as a warning, dont rush out and buy his albums, there he seems to take alot of what he creates so well live and kind of buggers it up with very so-so indie-pop production.) 2. Looper- Mondo 77. I love alot of loopers stuff, they seem to have a very simple way of creating loops (ok a lot are strictly samples, but im talking about the music here not how its made) the tracks are catchy in a play on the radio sort of way and i think if this band made it bigger they could do a lot to raise the profile of looping. 3. Lamb-Goreki (think if spelt that right) , reall beautiful song, very delicate, when i heard it i just wanted to try by hardest to reproduce it, the original is composed for a full band (although i figure there are loops within that set up) but i managed to kind of remould it for a cracking cover version, it was the first live loop i ever played to an audience so it will always have a place in my heart. 4.Spiritualisd-Ladys and gentlemen we are floating in space. this is the tital track for a totally amazing albm, spiritualised is another band that hides its loops under layers and layers in some somg and then blasts them forward as the main cinstuct in others. my reasons for including this is again due to the sonic diversity and where listning to it sent MY ideas. also , i think this was the first place that i realised how to use a volume pedal effectivly. 5. Jez-? ok so i guess this one is gong to be pretty impossible for the rest of you guys but i had to put it in here as a homage. Jez is a guy who comes down to my local club once in a while and blows the whole place away with his amazingly skilled manipulation of nothing more then his guitar a derepid looking multi effects and a Boss DD-5, he probably has never really made a recording, if i ever capture any of his stuff i will pat it cos ive yet to hear better given he means. im pretty sure he's not on list but if you are, well done you changed what music could be for me!!!! ok so im starting to sound abit to timeout-y for my liking, thats bout all from me, however those looking for sonic textures not necicarily of a looped variety should look up Sigur Ros. they are brilliant. CU all soon Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 09:57:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QDtpR15219; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:55:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:55:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.120] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:55:18 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030626.095541.8630.371155@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_lmU3.A.qtD.ntv--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Scott, I like your idea! I am more of a guitarist but I do play bass and I do loop the bass but in a more traditional band setting. I worked out a solo piece but prefer to add more instruments for color. I would gladly give up a spot on disc I to a real bassist with a nice piece and put mine on disc II. I like the idea of separating the two discs into solo bass and not solo bass.... I love this community! It's great for an old hippie from West Virginia! Love n Peace Yall, Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 10:00:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QDx7e15483; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:59:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:59:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:03:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Query - Acoustic Tile Sources in the UK? In-Reply-To: <1c9.bc8f7e3.2c2c39cb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2003 13:59:05.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B469630:01C33BEB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5QDx6B15459 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:58 26/06/03 , you wrote: > >> I'd like to find some good sources for acoustic tile in the UK.  Anyone here >>  know?  Thx. >>  > >hi Steve > >try Studio Spares > > Studio Spares,Mail Order, Accoustic >Tiles, Hi, Yeah, Studiospares. Also try: Digital Village http://www.digitalvillage.co. uk/dv/amain.asp Raper & Wayman http://www.raperandwayman.com/r w/index.asp Turnkey www.turnkey.co.uk Jigsaw www.jigsaw24.com Also, I'm sure that I remember MTR having some reasonably priced acoustic tiles in an old catalogue. And there's that mail order firm - Thomn (can't quite remember how its spelt) - they (whoever they are) have their own range at much better prices than most I've seen. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 10:02:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QE14e15660; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:01:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:01:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:05:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Query - Acoustic Tile Sources in the UK? In-Reply-To: <1c9.bc8f7e3.2c2c39cb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2003 14:01:03.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[617D2290:01C33BEB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5QE14B15633 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:58 26/06/03 , you wrote: > >> I'd like to find some good sources for acoustic tile in the UK.  Anyone here >>  know?  Thx. Oh and there's Canford Audio that might be worth a try. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 10:26:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QEPjW17755; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EFA7095.2040509@spnz.org> References: <3EFA7095.2040509@spnz.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:25:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: essential loop recordings (power tools) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0F3cB.A.SVE.pJw--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, i remember reading the review of that in Rolling Stone. Then got the album (vinyl album) and recorded it at a friends, b/c i didn't have a record player, then the tape broke (i got rid of all my vinyl in '95), then in '97 i saw the CD of "Strange Meeting" at a used CD place and got it for like a buck (1$). a very good album, indeed. s--- >Power Tools - Strange Meeting >Frisell, Melvin Gibbs, and Ronald Shannon Jackson, live to DAT. >Frisell's looping was more obvious then, which i think was a GOOD >thing. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 10:34:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QERwm17948; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:27:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:27:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.20.128] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:27:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2003 14:27:52.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[2035B8C0:01C33BEF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott; Yes, I am fine with this...yet my quandary would be which vol. do I submit for? I most ertainly have and am working on "solo improvisied" basss loop stuff, but also have a few piees which, while still be a solo effort, feature drum sequences, hard disc editing, and are very much "composed" pieces. hmmm decisisons, decisions...... Max >So,We have a wonderful list of contributers.And I'm very excited to >hear everyones work.The "problem" is that with 19 people we would all be >limited to a little over 3 minutes...So how would people feel about a >Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass created in real >time.-and Volume II "plays well with others"-other musicians,drum >machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!! > I'm not sure this would result in an even division of our talents but,I >suspect it will.. >I need to know if; >1. This sounds good to everyone >2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II > (I have thought of other options,so has Dave Talento, and this seems to >be the most inclusive and potentially interesting to bassists and >loopists.I guese we'll see how this works out) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 11:18:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QFEJs21524; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:14:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:14:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brad Bohannon" To: Subject: Problem with Echo Pro and MIDI foot controller... Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:24:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I looked through the archives (because I thought if anybody had a problem with this ot would be somebody here) but couldn't find this problem addressed. I set my Ground Control Pro up to control the Record/Overdub and Play/Stop buttons on my Echo Pro. The problem is they don't exactly act like the front panel buttons with the same name. Specifically, when you go from record to play on the front panel and then hit stop, a press of the record button will immediately start you recording new material. Using a MIDI footswitch for the same function, a press of "Record" starts you the same. A press of "Play" works the same. "Stop" works the same. Now, if you press "Record" again you've really sent an "Overdub" command and nothing happens. You have to press "Record" a second time to initiate recording. I would just program two separate switches as dedicated "Record" and dedicated "Overdub", but Line 6 conviently left "Record Only" out of the continuous controller programming. FRUSTRATING!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 11:39:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QFZY223556; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:35:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626153532.70101.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: Re: Syncing my Echoplex to the Echo pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625113132.03d7a9b0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, too bad nobody at Echo Pro thought about facilitating the sync with other loop units. Best, Alessandro --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 11:15 AM 6/25/2003, Alessandro Ricciarelli wrote: > >Thanks for your reply - it's confusing, since in > the > >Line6 Echo Pro's Manual it says that the looper > will > >accept Midi commands (such as 101 for "play", 102 > for > >"overdub" a.s.o.) So I thought it might be possible > to > >have the Echoplex transmit those Midi messages .... > > the Echoplex won't send commands for a different > device. It does send the > right commands for another echoplex, so you can > chain echoplexes together > easily. > > You could just use a midi controller programmed to > send the right commands > to each device when you push one button. The two > will basically start and > stop recording at the same time if you do that. > However, they will slowly > drift apart because you do not have any sync > connection between them, and > the two loops can never be precisely the same > length. It might be ok for a > short time. When you have a sync connection between > them this problem is > solved, since it will correct the drift and keep > them together forever. > Unfortunately the echo pro does not have midi sync > for the looper function, > so you can't sync it to anything. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 11:47:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QFj9t24512; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626154503.63384.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:45:03 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Problem with Echo Pro and MIDI foot controller... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have either of the devices you mention; but, maybe the Echo Pro is looking for commands from a momentary switch & your Ground Control switches are latching. Is there a way to program the GC to act as momentary switches? John --- Brad Bohannon wrote: > > I set my Ground Control Pro up to control the > Record/Overdub and Play/Stop > buttons on my Echo Pro. The problem is they don't > exactly act like the front > panel buttons with the same name. Specifically, when > you go from record to > play on the front panel and then hit stop, a press > of the record button will > immediately start you recording new material. Using > a MIDI footswitch for > the same function, a press of "Record" starts you > the same. A press of > "Play" works the same. "Stop" works the same. Now, > if you press "Record" > again you've really sent an "Overdub" command and > nothing happens. You have > to press "Record" a second time to initiate > recording. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 12:13:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QGBf926769; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:11:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:11:28 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: essential loop recordings (power tools) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b201c33bfd$99b5d0a0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3EFA7095.2040509@spnz.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Hansen" > wow, i remember reading the review of that in Rolling Stone. Then > got the album (vinyl album) and recorded it at a friends, b/c i didn't > have a record player, then the tape broke (i got rid of all my vinyl in > '95), then in '97 i saw the CD of "Strange Meeting" at a used CD place > and got it for like a buck (1$). a very good album, indeed. > s--- > > >Power Tools - Strange Meeting Thanks for reminding me that I need a needle! * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 12:15:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QGCoc26916; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:12:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brad Bohannon" To: Subject: RE: Problem with Echo Pro and MIDI foot controller... Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030626154503.63384.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a way to make them momentary but it's really not THE solution. You'd likely have to own the units to see my frustration, but a brief explaination is that a value of 64 or greater is interpreted as record, and 63 or less is overdub. I programmed it as momentary as a work around, but you have to hold your foot on the switch while recording because letting up puts you in overdub mode. If I programmed a dedicated record and dedicated overdub I'd make them momentary for sure. The problem there is that you can't program a dedicated record button using continuous control, Line 6 left it out. Program change and note on, but no continuous control. That pretty much alienates the Ground Control Pro users out there. Perhaps there's an All Access in my future. All it takes is money! Brad -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Problem with Echo Pro and MIDI foot controller... I don't have either of the devices you mention; but, maybe the Echo Pro is looking for commands from a momentary switch & your Ground Control switches are latching. Is there a way to program the GC to act as momentary switches? John --- Brad Bohannon wrote: > > I set my Ground Control Pro up to control the > Record/Overdub and Play/Stop > buttons on my Echo Pro. The problem is they don't > exactly act like the front > panel buttons with the same name. Specifically, when > you go from record to > play on the front panel and then hit stop, a press > of the record button will > immediately start you recording new material. Using > a MIDI footswitch for > the same function, a press of "Record" starts you > the same. A press of > "Play" works the same. "Stop" works the same. Now, > if you press "Record" > again you've really sent an "Overdub" command and > nothing happens. You have > to press "Record" a second time to initiate > recording. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 12:37:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QGYWx28989; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:34:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:53 PM +0100 6/25/03, scott kungha drengsen wrote: >So,We have a wonderful list of contributers.And I'm very excited to >hear everyones work.The "problem" is that with 19 people we would all be >limited to a little over 3 minutes...So how would people feel about a >Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass created in real >time.-and Volume II "plays well with others"-other musicians,drum >machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!! > I'm not sure this would result in an even division of our talents but,I >suspect it will.. >I need to know if; >1. This sounds good to everyone >2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II > (I have thought of other options,so has Dave Talento, and this seems to >be the most inclusive and potentially interesting to bassists and >loopists.I guese we'll see how this works out) Well, since I never perform solo bass (hell, I almost never play bass solos in bands even), I was looking at the bass loop cd as a challenge to make me come up with a solo loop piece for the disc. But now with the "plays well with others" option, it'd be more in my "comfort zone" to produce a collaborative piece. So, I guess I have to decide how much I want to be challenged. Not a bad dilemma to face :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 13:36:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QHX4O01616; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:33:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:33:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626173257.77960.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > limited to a little over 3 minutes... time shouldn't be a problem, i think any of us can take our work and cut it down. perhaps even in a 3 minute or so track, it forces us to all give you some really great show stopper music. > So how would people feel about a > Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass > created in real time. this sounds great. i thought the object though was to send in music that was just bass? for my track, i am working with 2 repeaters and it is something that can be reproduced live with just bass and loops and effects. is that cool for the plays well alone disc? > -and Volume II "plays well with others"-other > musicians,drum > machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!! so basically anything that contains more than just a bass? > I'm not sure this would result in an even division > of our talents but,I suspect it will.. good thinking. i suspect that you are correct and that all the contributors are looking at their track in a different way. > I need to know if; > 1. This sounds good to everyone > 2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II i'd be down for a track I. for a track II type track, i'd submit a bass heavy track from my band with looping. peace and bass and ofcourse loops... > > > 10.Evan Meyers __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 13:36:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QHY5B01897; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:34:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:34:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:33:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: an essential loop recording of the 90's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -1 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Dresher and Ned Rothenberg: Opposites Attract, New World Records 1991: I'm not sure how essential this is on the larger scale, since I seem to be the only person to have ever bought this record, but it was certainly a huge inspiration to me. Paul Dresher has done a lot of work with tape-based looping systems. Ned Rothenberg is an NYC-based woodwinds virtuoso. Opposites Attract is the result of 4+ years of collaboration, and offers a number of interesting perspectives on the challenges of live-looping with an ensemble, and on how looping technology was evolving at the time (1987-1991). The liner notes describe the process of making the disc. Dresher had designed a live tape-looping system, a 4-track reel to reel deck with an extra playback head, thus allowing 4 loops and 8 separate playback tracks. For the initial 1987 recording sessions, they did live looping with Rothenberg's various instruments (alto and tenor saxes, shakuhachi, bass clarinet and ocarina) and Dresher's guitar, and layed tape loops from Dresher's looping system onto 24 track tape. They then assembled a band of some of NYC's best avant jazz players, including Mark Dresser on acoustic bass, Anthony Jackson on electric bass, and drummers Bobby Previte and Samm Bennet, and overdubbed live parts onto the pre-recorded loops. There were immediate problems with the sessions, the loops were autonomous and didn't synchronize well, plus they felt the looping left the music static and limited their compositional freedom. So the project was abandoned for a few years. In 1989, they picked up the project again. By this time, digital samplers and computer sequencers had become affordable. An opportunity for a live performance provided the impetus. They sampled the loops from the original master tapes, and spent several weeks constructing a single 45-minute piece which they performed live with a sequencer and a keyboardist triggering the loops. This was a success, so they returned to the studio and worked on the material again, using some of the performances from the original 1987 sessions and also adding new overdubs. The music is similar to some of David Torn's work from the 80's and 90's, only the loop sources are mostly from woodwinds instead of guitar. Several pieces are built around rhythm loops generated from keyslaps on a bass clarinet, amplified and EQ'd to sound like some mutant mix of roto-toms and a tabla. The songs range from edgy funk workouts to ambient soundscapes, with some terrific playing from all involved. This disc proves that extended technique woowind sounds are an excellent source for looping, and I'd love to hear more musicians explore this area. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 14:06:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QI3HE04518; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:03:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:03:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626180315.39437.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:03:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030625173838.03235fb0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-820384137-1056650595=:38500" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-820384137-1056650595=:38500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would say the first albums that I heard Frisell, which educated me on the use of looping in the context of group improvisation, would be _News For Lulu_ and _More News For Lulu_, both featuring Frisell, John Zorn, and George Lewis recasting bebop standards within a guitar/sax/trombone trio format. Can't recall what specific tracks he looped on. Actually, the very first time I saw/heard of Frisell was on David Sanborn's _Sunday Night_ TV program, which came on after Saturday Night Live for an all-too-brief period of the late 80s. Don't recall if he used looping there. Paolo Kim Flint wrote: Unfortunately I'm not too familiar with much of Frisell's work. It's been on my to-listen list for ages but somehow hasn't ever made it to the top. In fact, interestingly, the only album I own with him on it is John Zorn's "Naked City"! I haven't listened to that in years, so I just put it on. Do you remember particular tracks where his use of loops stood out? (I know, I could just keep listening, but I'm lazy.) Any other Frisell albums that stand out, where his use of looping made an impact? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-820384137-1056650595=:38500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I would say the first albums that I heard Frisell, which educated me on the use of looping in the context of group improvisation, would be _News For Lulu_ and _More News For Lulu_, both featuring Frisell, John Zorn, and George Lewis recasting bebop standards within a guitar/sax/trombone trio format.  Can't recall what specific tracks he looped on.
 
Actually, the very first time I saw/heard of Frisell was on David Sanborn's _Sunday Night_ TV program, which came on after Saturday Night Live for an all-too-brief period of the late 80s.  Don't recall if he used looping there.
 
Paolo

Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:
Unfortunately I'm not too familiar with much of Frisell's work. It's been
on my to-listen list for ages but somehow hasn't ever made it to the top.
In fact, interestingly, the only album I own with him on it is John Zorn's
"Naked City"! I haven't listened to that in years, so I just put it on. Do
you remember particular tracks where his use of loops stood out? (I know, I
could just keep listening, but I'm lazy.)

Any other Frisell albums that stand out, where his use of looping made an
impact?

kim


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com

Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-820384137-1056650595=:38500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 14:11:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QIAB405114; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:10:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:10:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:09:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: an essential loop recording of the 90's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:33 AM -0700 6/26/03, Dave Trenkel wrote: >Paul Dresher and Ned Rothenberg: Opposites Attract, New World Records 1991 This is actually a rather late recording. Paul's first performances with his tape loop system were in 1979 and two years later he was using it on tour with George Coates Performance Works. All of the music for Way of How (1981) and Are/Are (1982) was performed with this system, as were music theater works by the Paul Dresher Ensemble starting in 1985. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 14:34:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QIVWf06546; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <195.1c6e8698.2c2c95f8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:31:20 EDT Subject: Re: essential loop recordings (power tools) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5QIVVB06522 Resent-Message-ID: <3xkAFC.A.JmB.Ewz--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 6/26/03 9:17:07 AM, db@biink.com writes: >> >Power Tools - Strange Meeting This is actually a 1987 recording but it's certainly one of my all-time faves too. I had the original LP and 2 copies of the factory cassettes. I wound up having to make my own CD from the later when the turntable died. The disk is a little "hissy" from the tape, but it's better than nuthin I suppose. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 14:37:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QIaF907077; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:36:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626183611.41407.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Foster Subject: FC200 vs. FCB1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-158803384-1056652571=:40771" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-158803384-1056652571=:40771 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a Roland VGA-7 amp, and just purchased the Behringer FCB1010. The VGA-7 allows me to dump its presets to the FC200. Does anyone know if I can just plug in the FCB1010, execute a dump, and the FCB1010 will work? THx Robert L. Foster, PresidentEquix Advisory CorporationP. O. Box 26502Austin, Texas 78755-0502(o) 512-476-9218(c) 512-422-2467 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-158803384-1056652571=:40771 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I have a Roland VGA-7 amp, and just purchased the Behringer FCB1010.  The VGA-7 allows me to dump its presets to the FC200.  Does anyone know if I can just plug in the FCB1010, execute a dump, and the FCB1010 will work?
 
THx


Robert L. Foster, President
Equix Advisory Corporation
P. O. Box 26502
Austin, Texas 78755-0502
(o) 512-476-9218
(c) 512-422-2467

Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-158803384-1056652571=:40771-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 14:41:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QIc1e07309; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:38:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <104.317e00b1.2c2c9782@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:37:54 EDT Subject: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5QIc0B07279 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave, In a message dated 6/26/03 10:45:24 AM, improv@peak.org writes: >Paul Dresher and Ned Rothenberg: Opposites Attract, New World Records >1991: I'm not sure how essential this is on the larger scale, since I >seem to be the only person to have ever bought this record, but it >was certainly a huge inspiration to me. Paul Dresher has done a lot >of work with tape-based looping systems. I'm a big Dresher fan too. I dug his "Liquid and Stellar Music" (1984). I had the great privilege of witnessing Paul do this mucic live in the small auditorium of the Santa Barbara Museum of Art. Hs method of looping (at the time) was strictly tape-based -- but still startling nontheless. He employed a single 8-track reel-to-reel machine with long adjustable "arms" that had pullies on them to accomodate long tape loops of varying lengths. He had also constructed a "bank" of foot pedals (looking much like an organ player's bass pedals, but obviously home-made) that controlled the recording volume on each of the 8 tracks of the recorder. These he would use to control the input from his guitar. While his music had a lot in comon (in my thinking) to groups like Tangerine Dream and Ashra (mostly because of the repetitive aspect) it was enthralling to see one person "do it all" live -- and so well too. Though it was stricly guitar-bassed, it was totally un Fripp-like. His playing was very similar to what I've heard of Mattias Grob's -- very fluid, clean and melodic. One of the really neat tricks he would do involved his post-loop processing through an early Eventide Harmonizer. Somehow (this was pre-MIDI, I believe), he was able to, at certain points, change the pitch of his loops (without changing the tempo) by pressing keys on a small, one-octave keyboard. This was the first time I'd heard (or seen) anyone do that. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:06:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJ2PU09681; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <104.317e00b1.2c2c9782@aol.com> References: <104.317e00b1.2c2c9782@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:01:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1155468396==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1155468396==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:37 PM -0400 6/26/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >He employed a single 8-track reel-to-reel machine It was a four track: TASCAM 40-4. >He had also constructed a "bank" of foot pedals 24 control voltage pedals that regulated a VCA mixer build by Paul Tydelski at UCSD. >One of the really neat tricks he would do involved his post-loop >processing through an early Eventide Harmonizer. Somehow (this was >pre-MIDI, I believe), >he was able to, at certain points, change the pitch of his loops >(without changing the tempo) by pressing keys on a small, one-octave >keyboard. This was the first time I'd heard (or seen) anyone do that. He used an Eventide H949. The keyboard would have had a control voltage connection. He later moved up to an H3000. >his music had a lot in comon (in my thinking) to groups like >Tangerine Dream and Ashra I've often wondered about influences on Paul's loop music. I never heard him listen to TD, Fripp, or any of that era's "space music" but that doesn't mean he was unaware of it. Steve Reich (and to some extent Terry Riley) were probably more direct influences, and I expect Ingram Marshall and Daniel Lentz inspired the tape system. Bit of Dresher trivia: The first version of "Liquid and Stellar Music" was a class exercise for Robert Erickson's tibre seminar in the winter of 1978. It was realized on an Ampex 1/2" 4-track. The intention was to create a musical texture that was perceived as a continuum, without individual "sound objects" popping out in the mix. ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1155468396==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings
At 2:37 PM -0400 6/26/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

He employed a single 8-track reel-to-reel machine

It was a four track: TASCAM 40-4.

He had also constructed a "bank" of foot pedals

24 control voltage pedals that regulated a VCA mixer build by Paul Tydelski at UCSD.


One of the really neat tricks he would do involved his post-loop processing through an early Eventide Harmonizer. Somehow (this was pre-MIDI, I believe),
he was able to, at certain points, change the pitch of his loops
(without changing the tempo) by pressing keys on a small, one-octave
keyboard. This was the first time I'd heard (or seen) anyone do that.

He used an Eventide H949. The keyboard would have had a control voltage connection. He later moved up to an H3000.

his music had a lot in comon (in my thinking) to groups like Tangerine Dream and Ashra

I've often wondered about influences on Paul's loop music. I never heard him listen to TD, Fripp, or any of that era's "space music" but that doesn't mean he was unaware of it. Steve Reich (and to some extent Terry Riley) were probably more direct influences, and I expect Ingram Marshall and Daniel Lentz inspired the tape system.

Bit of Dresher trivia: The first version of "Liquid and Stellar Music" was a class exercise for Robert Erickson's tibre seminar in the winter of 1978. It was realized on an Ampex 1/2" 4-track. The intention was to create a musical texture that was perceived as a continuum, without individual "sound objects" popping out in the mix.

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD    
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1155468396==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:27:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJIFj10855; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:18:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:18:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <093301c33c17$b79c6420$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <20030626173257.77960.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD - a proposal Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:18:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're short of contributions for the CDII "most likely to collaborate", I'm up for a joining forces with one or more of y'all bassistes who don't have a band to fall back on. I'm a multi-percussionist so I can offer whatever that means :) Maybe there's a LD virtual band just waiting to happen? Xfer either way by WAV or AIFF (or SDII) is fine by me but I can only work in 16bit for now if that's acceptable. Cheers Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. > > limited to a little over 3 minutes... > > time shouldn't be a problem, i think any of us can > take our work and cut it down. perhaps even in a 3 > minute or so track, it forces us to all give you some > really great show stopper music. > > > So how would people feel about a > > Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass > > created in real time. > > this sounds great. i thought the object though was to > send in music that was just bass? for my track, i am > working with 2 repeaters and it is something that can > be reproduced live with just bass and loops and > effects. is that cool for the plays well alone disc? > > > -and Volume II "plays well with others"-other > > musicians,drum > > machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!! > > so basically anything that contains more than just a > bass? > > > I'm not sure this would result in an even division > > of our talents but,I suspect it will.. > > good thinking. i suspect that you are correct and > that all the contributors are looking at their track > in a different way. > > > I need to know if; > > 1. This sounds good to everyone > > 2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II > > i'd be down for a track I. for a track II type track, > i'd submit a bass heavy track from my band with > looping. > > peace and bass and ofcourse loops... > > > > > 10.Evan Meyers > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:30:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJPRV11745; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:25:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:25:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <133.21dda84e.2c2ca29e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:25:18 EDT Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_133.21dda84e.2c2ca29e_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_133.21dda84e.2c2ca29e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/26/03 11:40:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > One of the really > neat tricks he would do involved his post-loop processing through an > early Eventide Harmonizer. Somehow (this was pre-MIDI, I believe), > he was able to, at certain points, change the pitch of his loops > (without changing the tempo) by pressing keys on a small, one-octave > keyboard. This was the first time I'd heard (or seen) anyone do that. > > The earliest harmonizers had an analog-synth type "control voltage" input. The small keyboard was probably plugged into that. Tim --part1_133.21dda84e.2c2ca29e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/26/03 11:40:53 AM Pacific Dayligh= t Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:

One of the really
neat tricks he would do involved his post-loop processing through an
early Eventide Harmonizer. Somehow (this was pre-MIDI, I believe),
he was able to, at certain points, change the pitch of his loops
(without changing the tempo) by pressing keys on a small, one-octave
keyboard. This was the first time I'd heard (or seen) anyone do that.



The earliest harmonizers had an analog-synth type "control voltage" input. T= he small keyboard was probably plugged into that.

Tim --part1_133.21dda84e.2c2ca29e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:32:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJTbR12135; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:29:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:29:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626192936.82807.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:29:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Where are they now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim's mention of the SF Tape Center got me wondering where all the people are today, that originally started experimenting with tape loops. All the people who were experimenting with tape loops around the world pre-1973. How many of them are still making music, and what are they into now? All the very best! Terry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:37:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJYuA12651; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:35:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Where are they now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030626192936.82807.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4E80F3A9-A80D-11D7-A54C-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most are still around and making music. Certainly Terry Riley is very active as is Pauline Oliveros. I don't know how much Subotnick used tape loops, but he certainly is still active. On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 02:29 PM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > Kim's mention of the SF Tape Center got me wondering > where all the people are today, that originally > started experimenting with tape loops. All the people > who were experimenting with tape loops around the > world pre-1973. > > How many of them are still making music, and what are > they into now? > > All the very best! > Terry > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:41:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJcwM13126; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:38:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:38:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c33c1a$a0d53750$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <104.317e00b1.2c2c9782@aol.com> Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:39:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01C33BE8.5603B1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C33BE8.5603B1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordingsWow, that sounds = amazing. To have a rig like that back then... Sort of reminds me of = the wackiness that was Raymond Scott. Custom building your own insane = electronic music rigs back in the old sci-fi days. Walls of lights and = switches...=20 Wish I could program. I'd love to code the sequencer that I see in my = head. =20 -J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Zvonar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings At 2:37 PM -0400 6/26/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: He employed a single 8-track reel-to-reel machine It was a four track: TASCAM 40-4. He had also constructed a "bank" of foot pedals 24 control voltage pedals that regulated a VCA mixer build by Paul = Tydelski at UCSD. One of the really neat tricks he would do involved his post-loop = processing through an early Eventide Harmonizer. Somehow (this was = pre-MIDI, I believe), he was able to, at certain points, change the pitch of his loops (without changing the tempo) by pressing keys on a small, one-octave keyboard. This was the first time I'd heard (or seen) anyone do = that. He used an Eventide H949. The keyboard would have had a control = voltage connection. He later moved up to an H3000. his music had a lot in comon (in my thinking) to groups like = Tangerine Dream and Ashra I've often wondered about influences on Paul's loop music. I never = heard him listen to TD, Fripp, or any of that era's "space music" but = that doesn't mean he was unaware of it. Steve Reich (and to some extent = Terry Riley) were probably more direct influences, and I expect Ingram = Marshall and Daniel Lentz inspired the tape system. Bit of Dresher trivia: The first version of "Liquid and Stellar Music" = was a class exercise for Robert Erickson's tibre seminar in the winter = of 1978. It was realized on an Ampex 1/2" 4-track. The intention was to = create a musical texture that was perceived as a continuum, without = individual "sound objects" popping out in the mix. ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C33BE8.5603B1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop = recordings
Wow, that sounds amazing.  To have = a rig like=20 that back then...  Sort of reminds me of the wackiness that was = Raymond=20 Scott.  Custom building your own insane electronic music rigs back = in the=20 old sci-fi days.  Walls of lights and switches...
 
Wish I could program.  I'd love to = code the=20 sequencer that I see in my head. 
 
-J
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard = Zvonar=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 = 1:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was = Re:=20 essential loop recordings

At 2:37 PM -0400 6/26/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

He employed a single 8-track = reel-to-reel=20 machine

It was a four track: TASCAM 40-4.

He had also constructed a "bank" = of foot=20 pedals

24 control voltage pedals that regulated a VCA mixer build by = Paul=20 Tydelski at UCSD.


One of the really neat tricks he = would do=20 involved his post-loop processing through an early Eventide = Harmonizer.=20 Somehow (this was pre-MIDI, I believe),
he was able to, at = certain=20 points, change the pitch of his loops
(without changing the = tempo) by=20 pressing keys on a small, one-octave
keyboard. This was the first time = I'd heard=20 (or seen) anyone do that.

He used an Eventide H949. The keyboard would have had a control = voltage=20 connection. He later moved up to an H3000.

his music had a lot in comon (in = my=20 thinking) to groups like Tangerine Dream and Ashra

I've often wondered about influences on Paul's loop music. I = never heard=20 him listen to TD, Fripp, or any of that era's "space music" but that = doesn't=20 mean he was unaware of it. Steve Reich (and to some extent Terry = Riley) were=20 probably more direct influences, and I expect Ingram Marshall and = Daniel Lentz=20 inspired the tape system.

Bit of Dresher trivia: The first version of "Liquid and Stellar = Music"=20 was a class exercise for Robert Erickson's tibre seminar in the winter = of=20 1978. It was realized on an Ampex 1/2" 4-track. The intention was to = create a=20 musical texture that was perceived as a continuum, without individual = "sound=20 objects" popping out in the mix.
=

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD    
(818) 788-2202 =20        =20        =20        =20         =
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C33BE8.5603B1C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:43:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJeGS13291; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:40:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:40:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:39:01 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Where are they now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016801c33c1a$983c22c0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030626192936.82807.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blankenship" > Kim's mention of the SF Tape Center got me wondering > where all the people are today, that originally > started experimenting with tape loops. All the people > who were experimenting with tape loops around the > world pre-1973. > > How many of them are still making music, and what are > they into now? Terry Riley and Pauline Oliveros are famous composers. I don't think Terry loops in public anymore. http://terryriley.com Pauline is in the Deep Listening Band. They loop. http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:48:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJjro14053; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:45:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:45:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c33c1c$f7321030$0301a8c0@duda> Reply-To: "Steve Duda" From: "Steve Duda" To: Subject: Free Loop Recorder VST (PC) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:55:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C33BE2.4A9F56F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C33BE2.4A9F56F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi fellow loopaholics, ...just wanted to let you know about a free VST we just released called = LSR Free (LiveSync Recorder Free edition)! Im happy, as this is a VST = I've wanted for quite some time!! Its great for live use as well as = studio. LiveSync Recorder is a VST FX plugin which lets you capture, preview, = and export audio as 1 or 2-bar loops, all in sync with your host's BPM! = Thisis a very useful plugin for recording musicians; you can essentially = keep only the good parts of one's performance while they jam! It is also = a great plug-in for grabbing those "happy accidents" right after they = happen.... Never lose that "magic moment" that occurs while tweaking a = VSTi or VST FX again.... Audition captured loops in sync with your = hosts BPM (click-free previewing!). Exported Wav's have tiny fades for = click-free looping. You can download this Free PC VST "FX" here: = http://www.devine-machine.com/LSRfree.zip v1.01 released today - Optimised CPU use, 48k sample rate fixes, and = Devine-Machine VSTi is no longer required. Best Wishes + Happy Looping! Steve Duda steve@devine-machine.com ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C33BE2.4A9F56F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi fellow loopaholics,
 
...just wanted to let you know about a = free VST we=20 just released called LSR Free (LiveSync Recorder Free = edition)!  Im=20 happy, as this is a VST I've wanted for quite some time!!  Its = great for=20 live use as well as studio.
 
 
LiveSync Recorder is a VST FX plugin = which lets you=20 capture, preview, and export audio as 1 or 2-bar loops, all in sync with = your=20 host's BPM! Thisis a very useful plugin for recording musicians; you can = essentially keep only the good parts of one's performance while they = jam! It is=20 also a great plug-in for grabbing those "happy accidents" right after = they=20 happen.... Never lose that "magic moment" that occurs while tweaking a = VSTi or=20 VST FX again....  Audition = captured loops in=20 sync with your hosts BPM (click-free previewing!).  Exported = Wav's=20 have tiny fades for click-free looping.
 
 
You can download this Free PC VST = "FX" here:=20  http://www.devine-machine.com/LSRfree.zip<= /DIV>
 
v1.01 released today = -  Optimised CPU=20 use, 48k sample rate fixes, and Devine-Machine VSTi is no longer=20 required.
 
 
 
Best Wishes + Happy = Looping!
 
Steve Duda
steve@devine-machine.com
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C33BE2.4A9F56F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:51:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJn7r14372; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:49:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:49:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626194905.56425.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: What kind of music are you using looping for? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-FH_LB.A.cgD.y40--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was curious what types of music the members on this list are using looping for. Guitar looping Percussion looping? Electronic Dance Music (Trance, Tekno, etc)? Other? Are you working with software in your computer to do looping or using hardware like the echoplex? Which do you prefer and why? All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:52:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJp2J14532; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:51:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:51:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626195101.7669.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Where are they now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <016801c33c1a$983c22c0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It would be interesting to find as many of them as we can and put links to their websites and current CDs here (if they have them). All the very best! Terry --- David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Blankenship" > > > Kim's mention of the SF Tape Center got me > wondering > > where all the people are today, that originally > > started experimenting with tape loops. All the > people > > who were experimenting with tape loops around the > > world pre-1973. > > > > How many of them are still making music, and what > are > > they into now? > > Terry Riley and Pauline Oliveros are famous > composers. > > I don't think Terry loops in public anymore. > http://terryriley.com > > Pauline is in the Deep Listening Band. They loop. > http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline > > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 15:58:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QJvV815194; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:57:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:57:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626125454.0217e008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:58:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: MORE essential loop recordings etc... In-Reply-To: <434F4E9F549A31418AB4D7EFF99B87AC0236DF@mail.t-l.no> References: <434F4E9F549A31418AB4D7EFF99B87AC045322@mail.t-l.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:58 AM 6/26/2003, mark wrote: >I had to delete a bunch of LD mails without reading them, but has anyone >mentioned early Caberet Voltaire, or (even more obscure) Severed Heads. >These were the bands that got ME into looping back in ohhh... about '84, >predominately using prerecorded tape-loops, not strictly LIVE-looping, >Severed Heads did some fantastic stuff using 8track tapeloops, fading in >and out different tracks to make great noise... Mark, we've got Severed Heads "Since the Accident" on the essential listening page already. I've never heard it though, now I'm intrigued to go check it out. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 16:09:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QK3Tw15994; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626125912.03333e78@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:03:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <9AEDF6E0-A78A-11D7-B2D7-000A95864C54@mac.com> References: <20030626033903.98930.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, now we've had like 10 different Frisell albums recommended! I think this is why I never end up owning any of them, there's too many to choose from.... Can you guys distill it down to one really excellent choice for showing off his looping? Maybe some of the others can be mentioned in the review of on the page, but at least let's choose one to head the list. And can one of you guys write a review of it for the page? thanks! kim At 08:59 PM 6/25/2003, Greg Kucharo wrote: >I heartily recommend as starter Frisell albums; > >Quartet >Nashville >Good Dog, Happy Man ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 16:16:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QKEXG16876; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:14:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:14:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626201431.97452.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: What kind of music are you using looping for? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030626194905.56425.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6cOBZ.A.jHE.pQ1--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in a ( i guess they call it ) indie rock band and use minimul amounts of looping here and there. You can hear a bit of looping in the song "Veils" at www.crapehanger.com (sorry for the quality) --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > I was curious what types of music the members on > this > list are using looping for. > > Guitar looping > > Percussion looping? > > Electronic Dance Music (Trance, Tekno, etc)? > > Other? > > Are you working with software in your computer to do > looping or using hardware like the echoplex? > > Which do you prefer and why? > > All the very best! > Terry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 16:20:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QKHKI17099; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:17:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <156.204b4d4d.2c2caec6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:17:10 EDT Subject: Looping influences (generally speaking and on-going) A sort of thanks. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5QKHKB17075 Resent-Message-ID: <_8VEEB.A.CLE.QT1--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I first heard "live" looping in 1972 by being taken to the home of an friend of a friend in an old Victorian house in Oxnard, CA. The player was a mid-to-late-20s-ish hippie guitarist named Randy Jones. I'd never heard of him before (or since) and I have absolutely no idea who his musical influences were. He was undoubtedly more influenced by major doses of cannabis than anything else (but let's not start THAT particular thread again, please). He played an old Strat copy with a mother-of-dinette-set pickguard and lipstick tube pickups into a pair of reel-to-reels set up on the mantle over the fireplace. The output of these (such as it was) went to his home stereo. An approximately 8 foot loop of 1/4 inch tape was strung between the two recorders and dangled before the empty hearth -- which would have been quite dangerous if there'd been a fire in it. He played with a bottleneck slide (which I'd been toying with some at that time too -- and THAT was the whole reason my pal took me over to hear this fellow play). Anywho, he played medium to pretty well guitar-wise. But, I was floored . . . absolutely knocked out . . . by the delay concept he was toying around with. It was a musical epiphany that changed my life. I set out from then on to learn how to do this sort of thing myself. I was a shy, reticent young dude and not hardly prone to joining bands and playing much in public anyway. The simple Idea that I could (by this method) be a one-man-band in the comfort and privacy of my own bedroom closet was what attracted me. That and the all-instrumental aspect of it -- I still cannot sing and play guitar at all after 40 years. (heheh, some would say I still can't PLAY either). I saved my money and periodically rented tape "echoplexes" from local stores, bought electronic analog delays when they became available and digital ones when they came around and became affordable to me (mostly EH and old DOD stuff). I never even heard of Fripp's 1973-74 recordings with Eno 'til I was more financially established (married) in 1978 and could afford to visit the record store more often. I snagged my first copies of "No Pussyfooting" and "Evening Star" from the cutout bin for less than half normal price. I'd been a fan of King Crimson and had read about Mr. Eno in magazines but was not familiar with these recordings at all. They were revelatory, to say the least -- totally outside the scope of my previous experience as a lonesome finger picker. I got my first eBow in 1980. I've sought out a lot of music since then that I knew was "looped" in some fashion or another (not all of it guitar). And listened to many pieces of music that didn't involve looping at all, but (because of the repetitive and rhythmic nature of pop music) I constantly imagined just how they could have been realized if they HAD been. I never really set out with the expectation that I'd ever really turn out to be a "real" musician even. Jeff Kaiser put that troublesome notion in my noggin BTW (blame him). I was just an interested and quirky tinkerer with only a modest amount of talent, a certain amount of imagination and time on my hands to develop it (plus a "mostly" understanding wife and family). I still don't really imagine that I'm a whole lot more than that, even though I have become accustomed to having the "m" word (musician) applied to myself . . . and occasionally even the "c" word (composer). I am a visual artist by academic training and a commercial artist/ graphic designer for 25+ years of my professional life. I don't imagine I've been an influence on anybody. But almost everybody on this list who has bothered to share their music freely and publicly in this forum or in the various festivals has been an influence on me -- whether the influence is obvious or not. In particular I'd single out LDers past and present (and in no particular order): Andre LaFosse Rick Walker Michael Klobuchar Max Valentino Steve Lawson Dave Trenkle David Torn Mark Hamburg Scott Hansen Dr. Richar Zvonar Matthias Grob Jon Wagner Kim Flint Amy X Nueberg Bill Walker Stan Card Joe Cavaleri Greg Campbell Andy Ewen Frank Gerace Tom Heasley Terry Blankenship Alan Hoover Sunao Inami Zoe Keating Hans Lindauer Mark Sottilaro Cara Quinn Steven Rice Alex Martinez Larry "the O" Oppenheimer Nick Roozeboom Kevin Cooney Stuart Liebig The Loop Collective and a host of others . . . Thanks a bunch! With all of this talk of who influenced who and when, I figured it was time to render a certain amount of appreciation to present company. A number of you have exchanged CDs with me (often making nice comments about mine) and or exchanged e-mails on- and off-list. Others have pointed in the direction of where their music could be downloaded or streamed from time to time. I may have even left out a few names. You will have to forgive the omissions and chalk them up to "old guy's" disease. But I am thankful that LD is here and that all of you are too . . . corny as THAT may sound. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn PS: If any of you knows the whereabouts of Randy Jones. I owe him big time. http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 16:30:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QKMoV17514; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:22:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:22:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <2d.30ab6daf.2c2cb00f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:22:39 EDT Subject: Re: Cambridge Looping Thing? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > O folks, > > Did anyone here attend the Cambridge gig that was supposed to have > happened on June 21st? Did Matthias play? Any reviews? > > --Dre I was there, Matthias was "eating chocolate cake" at his mother's house. Maybe reviewed on Evophonic site _ as their reveiwer was there scribbling where they also have some unusual Andre LaFosse news :-) Performances from Peter Chilvers, frippertronic type loop using keyboards Pete Um , wash loops and mumbling Darkroom, LD's Os(looping the other 2) with Michael Bearpark(guitar&DL4)+ Tim Bowness(vox). amorphic loops Cos Chapman on laptop looping a guy playing a digital piano (I forget his name, but his playing was v. musical and responded well to the loops) Theo Travis, alto flute into DL4 Rick Walker "I have no monitors, and I have feedback!" so not the LD get together some of us had hoped for, but a good evening of lops none the less andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 16:40:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QKbCD18450; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:37:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "OJ" To: Subject: RE: Bassloop,the CD - a proposal Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:49:16 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <093301c33c17$b79c6420$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I think my stuff will sit better on CD 2 I was planning on doing something around 4 minutes to leave plenty of time for others. I'm really excited about this and can't wait to hear on the contributions! Cheers OJ www.thejupiter8.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 16:52:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QKp1419765; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:50:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626125912.03333e78@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Er, I'm not sure I can....I almost want to say that, instead of an album, you just put Frisell as one man's sound on the list. However, the same could be said of David Torn and probably some others. Loop and delay is such an integral part of his sound, it is akin to asking which part of Jimi Hendrix's guitar work benefitted from the wah pedal more than others. I bet someone can pick a Frisell that stands out though...looping wise. On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > Wow, now we've had like 10 different Frisell albums recommended! I > think this is why I never end up owning any of them, there's too many > to choose from.... > > Can you guys distill it down to one really excellent choice for > showing off his looping? Maybe some of the others can be mentioned in > the review of on the page, but at least let's choose one to head the > list. > > And can one of you guys write a review of it for the page? > > thanks! > > kim > > > At 08:59 PM 6/25/2003, Greg Kucharo wrote: > >> I heartily recommend as starter Frisell albums; >> >> Quartet >> Nashville >> Good Dog, Happy Man > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 16:57:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QKtda20376; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:55:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:55:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:53:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030626180315.39437.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3139480410_167153_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3139480410_167153_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I would say the first albums that I heard Frisell, which educated me on the use of looping in the context of group improvisation, would be _News For Lulu_ and _More News For Lulu_, both featuring Frisell, John Zorn, and George Lewis recasting bebop standards within a guitar/sax/trombone trio format. Can't recall what specific tracks he looped on. Actually, the very first time I saw/heard of Frisell was on David Sanborn's _Sunday Night_ TV program, which came on after Saturday Night Live for an all-too-brief period of the late 80s. Don't recall if he used looping there. Paolo those are 2 great albums-not sure about the looping on them tho'. and frisell on that dave sanborn show? he was aloopin w/ his trustee i used to have video of that :-( stan --MS_Mac_OE_3139480410_167153_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings

I would say the first albums that I heard Frisell, which educated me on the= use of looping in the context of group improvisation, would be _News For Lu= lu_ and _More News For Lulu_, both featuring Frisell, John Zorn, and George = Lewis recasting bebop standards within a guitar/sax/trombone trio format. &n= bsp;Can't recall what specific tracks he looped on.

Actually, the very first time I saw/heard of Frisell was on David Sanborn's= _Sunday Night_ TV program, which came on after Saturday Night Live for an a= ll-too-brief period of the late 80s.  Don't recall if he used looping t= here.
Paolo





those are 2 great albums-not sure about the looping on them tho'.
and frisell on that dave sanborn show?
he was aloopin w/ his trustee <EH16secddl>
i used to have video of that :-(
stan  
--MS_Mac_OE_3139480410_167153_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 16:57:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QKss620273; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:54:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:54:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626131312.0335a530@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:54:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <104.317e00b1.2c2c9782@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:37 AM 6/26/2003, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 6/26/03 10:45:24 AM, improv@peak.org writes: > > >Paul Dresher and Ned Rothenberg: Opposites Attract, New World Records > >1991: I'm not sure how essential this is on the larger scale, since I > >seem to be the only person to have ever bought this record, but it > >was certainly a huge inspiration to me. Paul Dresher has done a lot > >of work with tape-based looping systems. > >I'm a big Dresher fan too. I dug his "Liquid and Stellar Music" (1984). >I had the great privilege of witnessing Paul do this mucic live in the >small auditorium of the Santa Barbara Museum of Art. Hs method Paul is a wonderful musician and composer, I've really enjoyed what I've seen and listened to of his. I think he should be on the "essential" list too, since a great many people were inspired by his looping in the 80's, and it seems he really had some innovative ideas. Which album would be a good choice? I saw him perform with Joel Davel the other day at the Chapel of the Chimes* event in Oakland. He played a home made instrument that he also used for his recent "Sound Stage" theatre show, about a 15 foot long piece of wood with piano-type strings stretched across and pickups at both ends. He plays it in various ways - bowed, plucked, hammered with metal rods, rolling a metal ball down the strings, prepared with rods inserted in the stings as "frets" etc. It makes an extraordinary sound, with the long strings giving such rich harmonics and the pickups at both ends getting different sounds (and pitches sometimes) off the strings. Paul uses three Echoplexes for loops, set up as a multi-track looper where he controls them independently. Joel played the amazing Buchla designed Marimba Lumina, which is quite a marvel in it's own right. I'm not sure how to describe the music and do it any justice. There were very playful moments where both Joel and Paul played the big stringed thing together, some very textural moments with loops, and some very rhythmic pieces that had more of a dance music feel. I think some of them were pieces from "Sound Stage", if any of you had the opportunity to see that. (*what a great event that is, 4 hours in the huge, labyrinthine, Julia Morgan designed Columbarium, with 30 or so new music performers tucked away in the various chapels and rooms and nooks and crannies. You just wander around the building and discover all this fantastic music among the dead people. Chris Muir from this list played with Henry Kaiser, Pamela Z was there doing her looped vocal pieces, plus numerous others who I wandered by and enjoyed a lot. This event happens each year, and I recommend it to anybody in the area.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 17:20:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QLHV622374; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:17:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:17:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:18:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 AM 6/26/2003, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 10:33 AM -0700 6/26/03, Dave Trenkel wrote: >>Paul Dresher and Ned Rothenberg: Opposites Attract, New World Records 1991 > >This is actually a rather late recording. Paul's first performances with >his tape loop system were in 1979 and two years later he was using it on >tour with George Coates Performance Works. All of the music for Way of How >(1981) and Are/Are (1982) was performed with this system, as were music >theater works by the Paul Dresher Ensemble starting in 1985. according to his web site (http://www.dresherensemble.org) his 1983 album "This Same Temple" is reissued on CD. This includes several of his pieces for guitar and tape processing. Is anybody familiar with that album? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 17:22:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QLIAA22505; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:18:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:18:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ba01c33c28$41ecc420$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: FS EDPs in the UK... Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:15:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <4V1zR.A.hfF.RM2--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Not sure if they still do, but Trace Elliot UK ( based in Maldon, Essex ) > used to distribute the EDP in the UK on behalf of Gibson. You could order > one direct form them. Give them a call on 01621 851 851. Then let us know > what they say ! The UK distributor for all Gibson products is Rosetti. They don't deal direct. If you want an EDPPlus (the new blackfaced ones), you can order them from your local Gibson dealer - list price is £899 for the unit, and £99 for the footcontroller. If you want a white faced loop III unit, I've got a couple for sale, brand new boxed with warranties, for £450 inc flootcontroller. Drop me a line... ;o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 17:28:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QLQUA23557; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:26:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:26:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011301c33c29$6fc4ccc0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626125912.03333e78@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:25:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can you guys distill it down to one really excellent choice for showing off > his looping? Maybe some of the others can be mentioned in the review of on > the page, but at least let's choose one to head the list. It's pretty tricky to pick one, but I'll certainly go with the suggestion to try the trio records - either of the Buster Keaton ones, or possibly Live - all three are with Kermit Driscoll (criminally underrated genius bassist), and Joey Baron. But, as always, forget looping and just get every Frisell related work you can possibly get your hands on - the guy's a total genius and one of the greatest melody and texture players I've ever come across. I've never heard a bad album by him, or even with him on (and I've got about 30, last count...) all hail the fris-meister Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 17:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QLdUe25166; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:39:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013901c33c2b$41466aa0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <006801c33c1a$a0d53750$520cfc0c@amd> Subject: Re: essential loop recordings/loop history Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:38:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First encounter with loopage of any kind - Brian May's Brighton Rock solo, and the guitarist in my first band who did a similar thing. First encounter with non delay pedal loopage - reading interviews with Michael Manring talking about the JamMan. First attempts at looping - getting a JamMan to review for Bassist magazine. Was then hooked. For Life. Players who've had a significant effect on the way I use looping - Michael Manring - seeing him play at NAMM 1999 was pretty amazing. Bill Frisell - seemless looping in the finest of music. Andre LaFosse - he's why I got an EDP, and is just a fantastic and exciting musician, one of of the few genuine innovators I've ever come across. David Torn - that live thing from KVMR is fantastic. Eberhard Weber - the first person I ever saw using an EDP. I'm sure I'd have been more blown away by his looping if I wasn't so disgusted by his intonation... ;o) David Friesen - some really really cool stuff with a very simple DOD delay pedal. Other loopers I really dig - Matthias Grob (his new album is stellar) Bill Walker (looping schlooping, he's just a fantastic musician) Theo Travis (my next album will be a duo record with Theo) Dave Pomeroy (bass and voice - does great songs) Howie Day (could be the first one to go super-nova with this stuff) Phil Keaggy (Acoustic Sketches is fantastic - how does he get so much out of an unmodded JamMan????) Ted Killian (dunno how much of it is looped, but Ted's CD Flux Aeterna is very good indeed) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 17:44:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QLb8B24898; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:37:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:37:14 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings In-reply-to: <104.317e00b1.2c2c9782@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <07c701c33c2b$1c6de410$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Wish I could program. I'd love to code the sequencer that I see in my head. describe the sequencer. i think there are several of us programmer types here who may take an interest... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 17:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QLgpN25590; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:42:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:42:54 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Bassloop,the CD - a proposal In-reply-to: <093301c33c17$b79c6420$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <07ca01c33c2b$e91b3300$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, that sounds cool. i could add guitar and/or trumpet. i also play bass, but i think in the spirit of this project, the bass parts should be from a bass player, not a guitar player holding a bass... > > If you're short of contributions for the CDII "most likely to > collaborate", I'm up for a joining forces with one or more of > y'all bassistes who don't have a band to fall back on. I'm a > multi-percussionist so I can offer whatever that means :) > Maybe there's a LD virtual band just waiting to happen? > > Xfer either way by WAV or AIFF (or SDII) is fine by me but I > can only work in 16bit for now if that's acceptable. > > Cheers > > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 18:03:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QM25P27477; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:02:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:02:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:59:46 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: essential loop recordings/loop history To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <048501c33c2e$4215e840$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <006801c33c1a$a0d53750$520cfc0c@amd> <013901c33c2b$41466aa0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > Players who've had a significant effect on the way I use looping - > Eberhard Weber - the first person I ever saw using an EDP. I'm sure I'd have > been more blown away by his looping if I wasn't so disgusted by his > intonation... ;o) I love his playing! The intonation IS him. He's one of those musicians that I instantly recognize. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 18:38:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QMbMo31236; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:37:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:37:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:37:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: OT: New EFF pages on P2P From: Greg Kucharo To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.eff.org/share/ New EFF site with plenty of info on music file sharing and adjacent copyright issues. Good section on alternative payment options for artists who use the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 18:55:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QMrYb32636; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:53:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:53:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:53:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: an essential loop recording of the 90's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -2 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 AM -0700 6/26/03, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 10:33 AM -0700 6/26/03, Dave Trenkel wrote: >>Paul Dresher and Ned Rothenberg: Opposites Attract, New World Records 1991 > >This is actually a rather late recording. Paul's first performances >with his tape loop system were in 1979 and two years later he was >using it on tour with George Coates Performance Works. All of the >music for Way of How (1981) and Are/Are (1982) was performed with >this system, as were music theater works by the Paul Dresher >Ensemble starting in 1985. > I'm somewhat familiar (though not as much as I should be) with Dresher's earlier work, but I thought the point of this was to come up with looping music from the 90's. And, I think Opposites Attract stands apart from the rest of his work, at least what I've heard, because of the avant jazz/funk underpinnings of the band, since the other musicians on the disc come from the NYC downtown jazz/improv scene. I've never heard any of his other stuff that has both the grooves and extreme textures as this, if he has other discs that do, I'd love to hear them. Also, when did David Torn's 2 sample discs, Tonal Textures and Pandora's Toolbox come out? I don't have the discs handy, but I'd list them as essential loop recordings. They really offer a glimplse into his technique. I bought them intending to use them for samples, but could never seem to find anywhere they worked without sounding like I was trying to rip off Torn. But I love to listen to them, I have them in my iTunes spool, makes for great shuffle play. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 19:06:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QN5lL01343; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030626230546.39740.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:05:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Torn's essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030626032759.20899.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > His looping CDs are good to me because he can actually > play the guitar great and is not using looping as a > cover up for an inability to play well (as is > sometimes the case). Definitely in my case. Is that a problem? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 19:57:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5QNtTB04918; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:55:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:55:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626165050.04415b10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:55:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <011301c33c29$6fc4ccc0$e0154ed5@bigboy> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626125912.03333e78@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:25 PM 6/26/2003, Steve Lawson wrote: > > Can you guys distill it down to one really excellent choice for showing off > > his looping? Maybe some of the others can be mentioned in the review of on > > the page, but at least let's choose one to head the list. > >It's pretty tricky to pick one, but I'll certainly go with the suggestion to >try the trio records - either of the Buster Keaton ones, or possibly Live - >all three are with Kermit Driscoll (criminally underrated genius bassist), >and Joey Baron. Great, then let's put the Buster Keaton one on there! I went and listened to the little snippets they have at amazon, it sounds good and there was definitely some interesting looping caught in there. The rest of the disc must have a lot more; I'll have to get it and check it all out. Can I convince one of you to write a review of it for the essential recordings page? You can even mention some of his other cds in there if you want. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 20:39:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R0c0807266; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:38:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:38:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:37:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping influences (generally speaking and on-going) A sort of thanks. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <156.204b4d4d.2c2caec6@aol.com> Message-Id: <95659F6A-A837-11D7-B149-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5R0bxB07238 Resent-Message-ID: <6EhAd.A.axB.oH5--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Ted! I made the list! I still put in Flux Aeterna every now and then and mp3s of it are in my iPod. I don't know whether or not you've influenced me, but you sure have entertained me. Keep up the loops, Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 01:17 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I first heard "live" looping in 1972 by being taken to the home of an > friend of a friend in an old Victorian house in Oxnard, CA. The player > was a mid-to-late-20s-ish hippie guitarist named Randy Jones. I'd > never heard of him before (or since) and I have absolutely no idea > who his musical influences were. He was undoubtedly more influenced > by major doses of cannabis than anything else (but let's not start > THAT particular thread again, please). > > He played an old Strat copy with a mother-of-dinette-set pickguard > and lipstick tube pickups into a pair of reel-to-reels set up on the > mantle over the fireplace. The output of these (such as it was) went > to his home stereo. An approximately 8 foot loop of 1/4 inch tape > was strung between the two recorders and dangled before the empty > hearth -- which would have been quite dangerous if there'd been > a fire in it. > > He played with a bottleneck slide (which I'd been toying with some at > that time too -- and THAT was the whole reason my pal took me over > to hear this fellow play). Anywho, he played medium to pretty well > guitar-wise. But, I was floored . . . absolutely knocked out . . . by > the > delay concept he was toying around with. It was a musical epiphany > that changed my life. > > I set out from then on to learn how to do this sort of thing myself. > I was a shy, reticent young dude and not hardly prone to joining bands > and playing much in public anyway. The simple Idea that I could (by > this > method) be a one-man-band in the comfort and privacy of my own > bedroom closet was what attracted me. That and the all-instrumental > aspect of it -- I still cannot sing and play guitar at all after 40 > years. > (heheh, some would say I still can't PLAY either). > > I saved my money and periodically rented tape "echoplexes" from local > stores, bought electronic analog delays when they became available > and digital ones when they came around and became affordable to me > (mostly EH and old DOD stuff). I never even heard of Fripp's 1973-74 > recordings with Eno 'til I was more financially established (married) > in 1978 and could afford to visit the record store more often. > > I snagged my first copies of "No Pussyfooting" and "Evening Star" > from the cutout bin for less than half normal price. I'd been a fan > of King Crimson and had read about Mr. Eno in magazines but was > not familiar with these recordings at all. They were revelatory, to say > the least -- totally outside the scope of my previous experience > as a lonesome finger picker. I got my first eBow in 1980. > > I've sought out a lot of music since then that I knew was "looped" in > some fashion or another (not all of it guitar). And listened to many > pieces of music that didn't involve looping at all, but (because of the > repetitive and rhythmic nature of pop music) I constantly imagined > just how they could have been realized if they HAD been. > > I never really set out with the expectation that I'd ever really turn > out to be a "real" musician even. Jeff Kaiser put that troublesome > notion in my noggin BTW (blame him). I was just an interested and > quirky tinkerer with only a modest amount of talent, a certain > amount of imagination and time on my hands to develop it (plus > a "mostly" understanding wife and family). > > I still don't really imagine that I'm a whole lot more than that, even > though I have become accustomed to having the "m" word (musician) > applied to myself . . . and occasionally even the "c" word (composer). > I am a visual artist by academic training and a commercial artist/ > graphic designer for 25+ years of my professional life. > > I don't imagine I've been an influence on anybody. But almost everybody > on this list who has bothered to share their music freely and publicly > in this forum or in the various festivals has been an influence on me > -- > whether the influence is obvious or not. In particular I'd single out > LDers > past and present (and in no particular order): > > Andre LaFosse > Rick Walker > Michael Klobuchar > Max Valentino > Steve Lawson > Dave Trenkle > David Torn > Mark Hamburg > Scott Hansen > Dr. Richar Zvonar > Matthias Grob > Jon Wagner > Kim Flint > Amy X Nueberg > Bill Walker > Stan Card > Joe Cavaleri > Greg Campbell > Andy Ewen > Frank Gerace > Tom Heasley > Terry Blankenship > Alan Hoover > Sunao Inami > Zoe Keating > Hans Lindauer > Mark Sottilaro > Cara Quinn > Steven Rice > Alex Martinez > Larry "the O" Oppenheimer > Nick Roozeboom > Kevin Cooney > Stuart Liebig > The Loop Collective > and a host of others . . . > > Thanks a bunch! With all of this talk of who influenced who and when, > I figured it was time to render a certain amount of appreciation > to present company. A number of you have exchanged CDs with me > (often making nice comments about mine) and or exchanged e-mails > on- and off-list. Others have pointed in the direction of where their > music > could be downloaded or streamed from time to time. I may have even > left out a few names. You will have to forgive the omissions and chalk > them up to "old guy's" disease. But I am thankful that LD is here and > that all of you are too . . . corny as THAT may sound. > > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > PS: If any of you knows the whereabouts of Randy Jones. I owe him big > time. > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 20:45:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R0iQH07778; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:44:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:44:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627004424.81378.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: RE: Torn's essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030626230546.39740.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, Brian Eno created some wonderful music and he claimed to be a non- musician. I though the music he created was very musical. I just like David Torn's CDs because he plays guitar really well. All the very best! Terry --- Greg House wrote: > Definitely in my case. Is that a problem? > > Greg > > David Torn's looping CDs are good to me because he > > can actually play the guitar great and is not > > using looping as a cover up for an inability to > > play well (as is sometimes the case). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 20:57:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R0uaF08447; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:56:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:56:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.205f6ba6.2c2cf03a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:56:26 EDT Subject: zoom 2100 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when you go into JP and have the 3 five sec. loops ready to go, is there a way to adjust the volume of the 2100.....i find the loops to be a bit too loud.....or is the only adjustment with the overall volume.....ive been working on a piece called "PLEASE BUY MY ART" (for the ART EVENT that im playing) and ive been using the 2100 with my mic.....getting 3 loops that you can then munge and change them pretty quickly.....i do have some more stuff downstream of the 2100.....i just need to get better control of the loops volumes on it.....thanks.....i wish i had several 2100's i love mine more and more.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 21:11:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R1AG309467; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:10:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:10:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:10:09 -0700 Subject: Re: What kind of music are you using looping for? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030626194905.56425.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <18CC90A3-A83C-11D7-B149-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 12:49 PM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > I was curious what types of music the members on this > list are using looping for. Type of music? I've been called Ambient, IDM and noise. I different things I do can fall into all of those genres. Here's a few things I've done with other loopers (Jon Wagner on drums on one track and Maria Cornblatt on vocals on the other) over the last few months. http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/ > Guitar looping Mostly guitar, but more and more often I'm triggering MIDI instruments with a Yamaha G50 setup. Sometimes I find it limited and go to keyboard to get these sounds. The more cool synth stuff I have acquired the more normal my guitar seems to sound! Funny how that worked out. > Percussion looping? Tried using a roland drum pad to trigger a planet earth module, but found it more awkward than using a keyboard, but yeah, I live loop percussion and sequence loop it as well. > Electronic Dance Music (Trance, Tekno, etc)? Kind of dancy I guess, I do like a beat. Some not. > Other? Lot's of what I do can be totally ambient or noise (I perform with the Bay Area band Big City Orchestra) some of it can be considered more Frippy. BTW, Fripp did an album called FFWD with some gentlemen from The Orb. Great album, IMO. Lot's of Frippertronics with nice groovy beats. A big influence on me. It's out of print I think, but if you can find one get it. > Are you working with software in your computer to do > looping or using hardware like the echoplex? I've played with Digital Performer's POLAR, but it lacks a feedback control. I could do some tricky routing, but why when I have a nice Repeater in my studio? It's all the looper I seem to need. > Which do you prefer and why? When all is said and done, I like a good dedicated hardware unit, I'm not sure why. I don't think a single CPU can do all the looping, effects and sound synthesis I need.... not yet. I'm sure this will change soon. What I'd really want is two brother synced EDPs but I want to pay $700 for the pair. I need stereo and EDPs are plain and simply too much money for me right now. It probably seems to people that I always seem to be getting stuff, but a lot of it comes from me taking a lot of gear I've collected over the years and Ebay'ing it in an effort to consolidate my studio. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 21:31:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R1UNC10803; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:30:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:30:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626170028.0217ad90@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:30:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy -> essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <013901c33c2b$41466aa0$e0154ed5@bigboy> References: <006801c33c1a$a0d53750$520cfc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:38 PM 6/26/2003, Steve Lawson wrote: >Phil Keaggy (Acoustic Sketches is fantastic - how does he get so much out of >an unmodded JamMan????) One of the most common names I hear in relation to looping and influence is Phil Keaggy. I get mails all the time from Phil Keaggy fans asking me why he isn't mentioned somewhere on the Looper's Delight site, or what gear he uses, or how he uses loops or whatever. A lot of them are just blown away by the things he pulls off live with his JamMan. Interestingly, his name hardly ever comes up on this list. I can only assume that people into Phil Keaggy have to spend a lot more time practicing and don't have time to hang out on a mailing list with all the people using looping to cover their lack of skill on their instrument. Or maybe Keaggy fans are on the list but they've developed carpal tunnel and are unable to type a post. Whatever it is, he's actually a much bigger part of the looping world than you would gather from this list. Anyway, it is very clear to me that Keaggy has been hugely influential in getting a lot of acoustic guitar fingerpicking types interested in looping. Quite a few Echoplex users I've met are coming from that direction, although Keaggy actually uses a JamMan. (I think he got an echoplex at some point but went back to the jamman since that's what he was used to using.) As I understand, he actually got into looping because of Chet Atkins, who was a JamMan user and told Keaggy to try it. Keaggy is a great example of looping being used in a very different context from what a lot of people expect. For that reason, and since his music is quite good and he does the looping thing quite well, I think he would be a good choice for the essential listening section. Unfortunately he's another case for me of somebody well outside my normal listening, so I'm not sure which cd's represent a good use of his looping. I did a google search and came up with some interviews where he talks about using the jamman a lot on "Acoustic Sketches" from 1998, and since that seems to be a highly regarded album it may be a great choice. Any Phil Keaggy fans out there who can chime in? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 21:39:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R1cKs11338; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EFBA019.10804@spnz.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:38:33 -0500 From: Dave Stagner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626125912.03333e78@loopers-delight.com> <011301c33c29$6fc4ccc0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Lawson wrote: >>Can you guys distill it down to one really excellent choice for showing > > off > >>his looping? Maybe some of the others can be mentioned in the review of on >>the page, but at least let's choose one to head the list. > > > It's pretty tricky to pick one, but I'll certainly go with the suggestion to > try the trio records - either of the Buster Keaton ones, or possibly Live - > all three are with Kermit Driscoll (criminally underrated genius bassist), > and Joey Baron. I'd suggest Frisell/Driscoll/Baron Live, just because it's *live*. And a single concert too, iirc. No overdubs, no studio choice to pick the "better" performance, nothing but the band and the audience and the blessed naked moment. > > But, as always, forget looping and just get every Frisell related work you > can possibly get your hands on - the guy's a total genius and one of the > greatest melody and texture players I've ever come across. I've never heard > a bad album by him, or even with him on (and I've got about 30, last > count...) Totally. And if he never touched a looper in his life, you'd STILL need everything he ever recorded. :} Personally, i consider him the true heir to Thelonius Monk. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 21:52:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R1pcd12469; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:51:45 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Phil Keaggy -> essential loop recordings In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626170028.0217ad90@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <080401c33c4e$aa7a4000$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3RYBZC.A.sCD.qM6--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm a big phil keaggy fan. he is a phenominal guitarist. and i do practice a bit too much. at least i used to before i started posting too much... but i'm not too familiar with his albums that feature looping as you are using the term. i still listen to "the master and the musician" all the time, which has loops but i think they were all manually performed... i've seem him do LiveLooping(tm), though. also, i think we had a few threads about him. including at least one about the rumours about his finger and about hendrix... i remember some comments a long time ago about the cheasy lyrics.... must check out acoustic sketches, i guess. >... > Interestingly, his name > hardly ever comes up on this list. I can only assume that > people into Phil > Keaggy have to spend a lot more time practicing and don't > have time to hang > out on a mailing list with all the people using looping to > cover their lack > of skill on their instrument. Or maybe Keaggy fans are on the >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 22:46:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R2jLr15777; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:45:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:45:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:42:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction From: "Doug Masla" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David- Looking forward to getting together on 7/15.. I am unsubcribing from the loop.com list..way to much traffic,way too much useless banter for ,y schedule with 60+post per day I just don't have the time. please send me the address and direction info for the get together along with a phone # if I get lost or? I can always be contactected at my e-m address synthwerks@earthlink.net.. please forward this on to who ever else will be there that day. Best Doug M. ---------- >From: "David" >To: >Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction >Date: Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 12:11 AM > >Jeff - Doug - > >Allow me to introduce myself -- as well. I'm in Boston, and it would be fun >to do a little three way looping with you guys - I have a space in the >Fenway I can offer for the meeting. > >David >UNDO > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug Masla" >To: ; > >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 11:38 AM >Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction > > >> Jeff Lomas >> The Council for Sonic Decadence >> Jeff as a recent transplant from Los Angeles to Ma.(NorthHampton aria),I >> have been invinles with loop oriented music for more years than I want to >> admit to...firm Your post I noticed you are in Boston,I am looking for >> others to get together rith and play,perform Loop/Ambeint and Beat >toreintd >> experinental music. >> I Ulilize the gigital echoplex (awaiting loopIV upgrade)varias synths and >> infinite sustain Guitar. >> I also will on occasion drag out my KYMA for realtime signalporossessing >of >> myself and others I perform with. >> Best >> Doug Masla aka BurstMode >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 26 23:25:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R3OLY18616; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:24:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:24:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200306270324.h5R3OH523848@mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:32:03 +0800 Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. From: "Cameron Street" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A Solo Bass in realtime cd sounds like a great idea to me. With no other instruments. Where do we send a cd and when? ---------- >From: Evan Meyers >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. >Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 1:32 AM > >> limited to a little over 3 minutes... > >time shouldn't be a problem, i think any of us can >take our work and cut it down. perhaps even in a 3 >minute or so track, it forces us to all give you some >really great show stopper music. > >> So how would people feel about a >> Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass >> created in real time. > >this sounds great. i thought the object though was to >send in music that was just bass? for my track, i am >working with 2 repeaters and it is something that can >be reproduced live with just bass and loops and >effects. is that cool for the plays well alone disc? > >> -and Volume II "plays well with others"-other >> musicians,drum >> machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!! > >so basically anything that contains more than just a >bass? > >> I'm not sure this would result in an even division >> of our talents but,I suspect it will.. > >good thinking. i suspect that you are correct and >that all the contributors are looking at their track >in a different way. > >> I need to know if; >> 1. This sounds good to everyone >> 2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II > >i'd be down for a track I. for a track II type track, >i'd submit a bass heavy track from my band with >looping. > >peace and bass and ofcourse loops... > >> > > 10.Evan Meyers > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 00:11:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R4Aot22378; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:10:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:10:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030626192936.82807.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030626192936.82807.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:07:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Where are they now Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:29 PM -0700 6/26/03, Terry Blankenship wrote: >Kim's mention of the SF Tape Center got me wondering >where all the people are today, that originally >started experimenting with tape loops. All the people >who were experimenting with tape loops around the >world pre-1973. > >How many of them are still making music, and what are >they into now? There was a sort of "inner circle" at the Tape Center and a group of others who regularly participated in their concerts and sometimes used the facilities. Mort Subotnick and Ramon Sender Barayon were the two founders. Mort just celebrated his 70th birthday and has never slacked off as a composer and teacher. His work evolved from electronic to electroacoustic to multimedia work and he has several recent CDs and DVDs. Ramon has devoted himself more to writing than to music since the 1970s but still does perform on occasion. He runs a peformance series at the Noe Valley Ministry in San Francisco. Pauline Oliveros became a mainstay of the Tape Center shortly after its founding and when ti moved to Mills College she became the first director of the Center for Contempoary Music at Mills. She then became a professor of music at UC San Diego and in 1980 left academia to focus on composing, performing, and giving workshops. She has kept a very full schedule and in recent years has held a variety of part-time teaching positions at Mills, Oberlin, and now at Rensselaer. Terry Riley was active at the Tape Center in the early days and has had an active career worldwide. He lives in the Sierra foothills and travels extensively (he performed recently here in Los Angeles). Tony Martin, a painter and light artist, who is perhaps best known for his "psychedelic" liquid projection effects, lives and teaches in New York City. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 00:12:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R4AkM22346; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:10:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:54:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:18 PM -0700 6/26/03, Kim Flint wrote: >according to his web site (http://www.dresherensemble.org) his 1983 >album "This Same Temple" is reissued on CD. This includes several of >his pieces for guitar and tape processing. Is anybody familiar with >that album? The title cut is a piano duo performed by Nurit Tilles and Edmund Niemann. This piece was written during Paul's undergraduate studies at UC Berkeley. It is one of (I think) two pieces subtitled "Elastic Music" which owe a technical dept to Steve Reich's phase pieces but which have a more romantic quality. "Liquid and Stellar Music" is for electric guitar and tape loop system, and was the first piece created with that combination. "Destiny" adds Gene Reffkin on drums. I'm not familiar with "Water Dreams" but from the description it seems like an homage to Paul's teacher Bob Erickson, who used recorded water sounds on a number of his pieces. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 00:22:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R4L4P23181; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:21:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627042102.66476.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: RE: Phil Keaggy -> essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <080401c33c4e$aa7a4000$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw him live once performing acoustic guitar with tape loops and he was amazing. All the very best! Terry --- Jim Palmer wrote: > i'm a big phil keaggy fan. he is a phenominal > guitarist. > and i do practice a bit too much. > at least i used to before i started posting too > much... > > but i'm not too familiar with his albums that > feature > looping as you are using the term. > i still listen to "the master and the musician" all > the time, > which has loops but i think they were all manually > performed... > > i've seem him do LiveLooping(tm), though. > > also, i think we had a few threads about him. > including at > least one about the rumours about his finger and > about hendrix... > i remember some comments a long time ago about the > cheasy > lyrics.... > > must check out acoustic sketches, i guess. > > >... > > Interestingly, his name > > hardly ever comes up on this list. I can only > assume that > > people into Phil > > Keaggy have to spend a lot more time practicing > and don't > > have time to hang > > out on a mailing list with all the people using > looping to > > cover their lack > > of skill on their instrument. Or maybe Keaggy fans > are on the > >... > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 01:02:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R517v25526; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:01:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:01:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c33c68$b96b7b00$2f0a883e@i7w6a5> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <002101c33bc2$09928f80$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Query - Acoustic Tile Sources in the UK? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 05:57:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve - I got mine from Studiospares. Gareth > I'd like to find some good sources for acoustic tile in the UK. Anyone here > know? Thx. > > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Loop of the Week! > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 01:06:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R56Jf25907; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:06:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:06:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:06:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks Richard. you mentioned a couple of other albums featuring Paul's looping in the early 80's - Way of How and Are/Are. But I don't see them on Paul's discography. Are these still available anywhere? and if you are familiar with all of these, do you think those two are a better representation of his looping style of the time, or would "This Same Temple" be a better choice? kim At 08:54 PM 6/26/2003, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 2:18 PM -0700 6/26/03, Kim Flint wrote: > >>according to his web site (http://www.dresherensemble.org) his 1983 album >>"This Same Temple" is reissued on CD. This includes several of his pieces >>for guitar and tape processing. Is anybody familiar with that album? > >The title cut is a piano duo performed by Nurit Tilles and Edmund Niemann. >This piece was written during Paul's undergraduate studies at UC Berkeley. >It is one of (I think) two pieces subtitled "Elastic Music" which owe a >technical dept to Steve Reich's phase pieces but which have a more >romantic quality. "Liquid and Stellar Music" is for electric guitar and >tape loop system, and was the first piece created with that combination. >"Destiny" adds Gene Reffkin on drums. I'm not familiar with "Water Dreams" >but from the description it seems like an homage to Paul's teacher Bob >Erickson, who used recorded water sounds on a number of his pieces. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 01:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R5eaf27669; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EFBDB9D.CBC9949A@erols.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:52:30 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4P_EAC.A.JwG.Uj9--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol c wrote: > Hi all, > Ive been watching this thread twist and grow for a bit now, heres my > additions and their reasons. > > I have decided to go for stuff that probably doent get mentioned much on > this list but that are still tracks that have in someway advanced my playing > styles within the area of looping. > > 1. Howie Day- Ghosts (live version) , I tracked this track down after a > single comment i came across on list it was the first time I had heard > (known i had heard) someone building up a backing and then playing live > rythm guitar over the top, it totally changed the way i went about composing > my loops, it took me from purl ambient instrumental stuff to more > traditionaly structured songs. I really love ths track and probably end up > playing it bout every other day.(mind you, as a warning, dont rush out and > buy his albums, there he seems to take alot of what he creates so well live > and kind of buggers it up with very so-so indie-pop production.) > > 2. Looper- Mondo 77. I love alot of loopers stuff, they seem to have a very > simple way of creating loops (ok a lot are strictly samples, but im talking > about the music here not how its made) the tracks are catchy in a play on > the radio sort of way and i think if this band made it bigger they could do > a lot to raise the profile of looping. > > 3. Lamb-Goreki (think if spelt that right) , reall beautiful song, very > delicate, when i heard it i just wanted to try by hardest to reproduce it, > the original is composed for a full band (although i figure there are loops > within that set up) but i managed to kind of remould it for a cracking cover > version, it was the first live loop i ever played to an audience so it will > always have a place in my heart. > > 4.Spiritualisd-Ladys and gentlemen we are floating in space. this is the > tital track for a totally amazing albm, spiritualised is another band that > hides its loops under layers and layers in some somg and then blasts them > forward as the main cinstuct in others. my reasons for including this is > again due to the sonic diversity and where listning to it sent MY ideas. > also , i think this was the first place that i realised how to use a volume > pedal effectivly. > > 5. Jez-? ok so i guess this one is gong to be pretty impossible for the > rest of you guys but i had to put it in here as a homage. > Jez is a guy who comes down to my local club once in a while and blows the > whole place away with his amazingly skilled manipulation of nothing more > then his guitar a derepid looking multi effects and a Boss DD-5, he probably > has never really made a recording, if i ever capture any of his stuff i will > pat it cos ive yet to hear better given he means. im pretty sure he's not on > list but if you are, well done you changed what music could be for me!!!! > > ok so im starting to sound abit to timeout-y for my liking, thats bout all > from me, however those looking for sonic textures not necicarily of a looped > variety should look up Sigur Ros. they are brilliant. > > CU all soon > Phill Wilson > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Howie Day actually has two live loop songs on his Madrigals EP which includes a DVD with 4 live looping pieces which includes ghost. I know we're trying to come up with albums for the 90's, but I think that this will end up being an important recording because it very creatively utilizes live looping in an accessible pop context that goes beyond the ryhthm track soloing over it thing. My 2 cents John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 03:35:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5R7TuW02339; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:29:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:29:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <163.228445d9.2c2d4c6f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:29:51 EDT Subject: Re: zoom 2100 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <8YeTbC.A.bk.0J_--@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > when you go into JP and have the 3 five sec. loops ready to go, is there a > way to adjust the volume of the 2100.....i find the loops to be a bit too > loud.....or is the only adjustment with the overall volume.. try the "reverb trim" global param. I don't have the 2100 set up at the moment, but I kind of remember this used to work for the 16s sampler, so might work for Jam Play as well. Last time I used the 2100 was for non-loop stuff :-( andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 07:32:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RBVgU18823; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:31:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:31:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c33c9f$594274e0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <048501c33c2e$4215e840$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: essential loop recordings/loop history Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:29:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Lawson" > > Players who've had a significant effect on the way I use looping - > > > Eberhard Weber - the first person I ever saw using an EDP. I'm sure I'd > have > > been more blown away by his looping if I wasn't so disgusted by his > > intonation... ;o) > > I love his playing! The intonation IS him. He's one of those > musicians that I instantly recognize. > > * David Beardsley Being instantly recogniseable is one thing. Being completely out of tune (not microtonal, or just intonated or whatever, just not in control of his intonation) is quite another. On record, his intonation is often fine - Pendulum is a fantastic record, a truly wonderful solo bass looping record. But live, he just sounded like a bassist with a load of great ideas who desparately needed fretlines on his bass. Which was a real shame. Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 08:04:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RC1MB21856; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:01:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <15f.228afd70.2c2d8c03@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:01:07 EDT Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5RC1JB21828 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr.Z., In a message dated 6/26/03 12:03:11 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >>his music had a lot in comon (in my thinking) to groups like >>Tangerine Dream and Ashra > >I've often wondered about influences on Paul's loop music. I never >heard him listen to TD, Fripp, or any of that era's "space music" but >that doesn't mean he was unaware of it. Steve Reich (and to some >extent Terry Riley) were probably more direct influences, and I >expect Ingram Marshall and Daniel Lentz inspired the tape system. My comment was not to say that he was influenced by these folks but that his music sort of sounded like this to me a little bit. These were the only other reference points I had . . . at the time. I hadn't heard a lot at the time. Now that you mention Reich, I'd say sure! The piece also sounded a bit like Steven's "Electric Counterpoint" as played by Pat Metheny on the "Different Trains" CD (1989 on Electra Nonsuch). But that piece post- dated my concert experience by a few years. I hadn't heard it (the Reich Piece) at that time. My only exposure to Reich then was "Music for 18 Musicians" and my unsophisticated ear did not catch a connection. Perhaps it should have. But, it did not occur to me. Nor was I very familiar with Riley at that time -- though I'd heard a lot about "In C" i'd never heard the piece itself (I'm all too embarrassed to admit). Actually I saw Daniel Lentz on the same day as the Dresher concert. It was part of a "Day of Music (and/or Art) Festival" in Santa Barbara. Lentz's piece (played outdoors during the day outside the Art Museum) involved a quartet of musicians playing upturned bicycles -- bowing the spokes, spinning the wheels, striking the frame rhythmically, etc. But, involved no looping. The entire day's experience was quite memorable for me. It was the day I first met Dick Dunlap. Who eventually became an occasional Santa Barbara area musical cohort of mine . . . and Josef Woodard (if I remember correctly). Both of whom were members of the "quartet" and both became friends with whom I would frequently perform later. Reminiscing about those days makes me nostalgic for my "tribe." Medford, Oregon is a dreadful place to wind up after being surrounded by such talented and creative folk. UCSB's "College of Creative Studies" and the Music Academy of the West in Montecito had lots of interesting people flowing through them continually. And then there's my pal Jeff Kaiser in Ventura who got me started in all of this nonsense. Ah, memories. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 08:05:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RC3Vr22227; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <9.144c2eae.2c2d8c88@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:03:20 EDT Subject: Re: essential loop recordings (power tools) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.144c2eae.2c2d8c88_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9.144c2eae.2c2d8c88_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Power Tools is totally awesome! Great playing all around. Melvin Gibbs and Shannon Jackson are fantastic. Bill has never sounded scarier. =-) PJ --part1_9.144c2eae.2c2d8c88_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Power Tools is totally awes= ome! Great playing all around. Melvin Gibbs and Shannon Jackson are fantasti= c. Bill has never sounded scarier. =3D-) PJ --part1_9.144c2eae.2c2d8c88_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 09:14:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RDA1B29142; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.21] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:09:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2003 13:09:55.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[66F496A0:01C33CAD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Howie Day actually has two live loop songs on his Madrigals EP which >includes a >DVD with 4 live looping pieces which includes ghost. I know we're trying >to >come up with albums for the 90's, but I think that this will end up being >an >important recording because it very creatively utilizes live looping in an >accessible pop context that goes beyond the ryhthm track soloing over it >thing. > >My 2 cents >John >www.johnmazzarella.com > > Wow, so glad that you told us about this EP. ive just ordered it off the net. gotta say im genuinly excited about the thought of seeing howie loop on the dvd. cos ive never seen him live. Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 09:41:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RDbwQ30806; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:37:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:37:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.21] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:NYC trip Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:37:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2003 13:37:52.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EC97790:01C33CB1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. Im just about to set off for home to unpack, repack and go to the airport to leave the merry wet shores of england for the (hopefully) warmer climes of New York City. to all the boys and girls who will be meeting up at the Loop on saturday the 5th i just tought id say how excited i am at the prospect of hanging with some other loopers. I hope you can all still make it, and for anyone who missed the first post, please feel free to come along and join us at The Loop in new york(follow the link for the full address). All the Best Phill Wilson > >Definitely drop into open loop (http://loopNY.com) -- also, look at >http://extremeNY.com/list for interesting shows. > > /t >-- > >http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every >Saturday! >http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the >calendar. >http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the >calendar. > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 09:50:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RDnrB31720; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:49:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:49:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1056721734!116695 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB1E1@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Bassloop,the CD. Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:47:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C33CB2.9EAEFFE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33CB2.9EAEFFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Where do we send a cd and when?<< I'm still up for editing/mastering the bugger, and maybe gluing some artwork around it..... if y'r all prepared to surrender that much editorial control..... my qualifications- 20-some cd releases that I've edited and artworked, 11 bass guitars, 2 repeaters, 2 jam-mans and an old mcs-1. oh, and 12 studer-revox tape decks. some hints there as to what the artwork might feature.... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C33CB2.9EAEFFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Bassloop,the CD.

>>Where do we send a cd and when?<<

I'm still up for editing/mastering the bugger, and maybe = gluing some artwork around it..... if y'r all prepared to surrender that mu= ch editorial control.....

my qualifications- 20-some cd releases that I've edited a= nd artworked, 11 bass guitars, 2 repeaters, 2 jam-mans and an old mcs-1. oh= , and 12 studer-revox tape decks. some hints there as to what the artwork m= ight feature....

duncan/r.m.i.



***************************************************************************=
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also
be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may
not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct
and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks Europe
***************************************************************************=
------_=_NextPart_001_01C33CB2.9EAEFFE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 10:04:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RE1P032560; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:01:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:01:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c33cb4$6a66aec0$483d5cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #327 for June 26, 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:59:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C33C92.D5E8C740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0jGAv.A.n8H.14E_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C33C92.D5E8C740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #327 June 26, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the soundworld bliss = of Steve Roach, who has been called the USA's Premeire Electronic Ambient Sound Sorcerer. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Piece of Infinity," disc = four of the four CD boxed set "Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces" on the Projekt = label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Beam-Scape" by Peter Mergener and = Michael Weisser on the IC label. Steve Roach - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jun PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Peter Mergener and Small Spark Beam-Scape (IC) Michael Weisser=20 Larry Kucharz Corellian Green = ComputerChoralGreenPrints (International = Audiochrome) Nostalgia Occulta Fama Arcana Publicata = Vilescunt (Relapse) Austere Disconnected Distance (none) Vir Unis and Within the Perimeter II = (AtmoWorks) James Johnson Unapproachable Alpha Wave Movement Centauri Memories A Distant Signal (HRR) Steve Roach Pieces of Infinity MC&SS-Pieces of = Infinity (Projekt) 12:00 am Steve Roach Pieces of Infinity MC&SS-Pieces of = Infinity (continued) (Projekt) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Robert Rich. The = Featured CD at Midnight will be "Outpost" by Robert Rich and Ian Boddy on the DiN = label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Equinoxe" by Jean Michel Jarre on Polydor records. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C33C92.D5E8C740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #327       =20             June 26, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the = soundworld=20 bliss of Steve
Roach, who has been called the USA's Premeire = Electronic=20 Ambient Sound
Sorcerer.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Piece = of=20 Infinity," disc four of
the four CD boxed set "Mystic Chords & = Sacred=20 Spaces" on the Projekt label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Beam-Scape" by Peter Mergener = and=20 Michael
Weisser on the IC label.
 
Steve Roach - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jun
 
PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Peter Mergener=20 and      Small=20 Spark           &n= bsp; =20 Beam-Scape (IC)
  Michael Weisser
Larry=20 Kucharz           = Corellian=20 Green         =20 ComputerChoralGreenPrints
       &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;      =20 (International=20 Audiochrome)
Nostalgia        =       =20 Occulta=20 Fama           &nb= sp;=20 Arcana Publicata=20 Vilescunt
          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 (Relapse)
Austere         = ;       =20 Disconnected          &= nbsp; =20 Distance (none)
Vir Unis=20 and            = Within=20 the           &nbs= p;  =20 Perimeter II (AtmoWorks)
  James=20 Johnson          =20 Unapproachable
Alpha Wave Movement     Centauri=20 Memories        A Distant Signal=20 (HRR)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Pieces of Infinity       MC&SS-Pieces = of=20 Infinity
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 (Projekt)
 
12:00 am
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Pieces of Infinity       MC&SS-Pieces = of=20 Infinity
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 (continued)          &n= bsp;  =20 (Projekt)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus = on=20 Robert Rich.  The Featured
CD at Midnight will be "Outpost" by = Robert=20 Rich and Ian Boddy on the DiN label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Equinoxe" by Jean Michel = Jarre=20 on
Polydor records.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C33C92.D5E8C740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 10:12:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5REBaO00903; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:11:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:11:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <21.3162cbb3.2c2daa8d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:11:25 EDT Subject: Re: zoom 2100 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_21.3162cbb3.2c2daa8d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_21.3162cbb3.2c2daa8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/27/03 3:30:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SoundFNR@aol.com writes: > try the "reverb trim" global param. > thanks andy! --part1_21.3162cbb3.2c2daa8d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/27/0= 3 3:30:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SoundFNR@aol.com writes:


try the "reverb trim"  glo= bal param.


thanks andy! --part1_21.3162cbb3.2c2daa8d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 10:27:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RENmA01979; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:23:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:23:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0c6b01c33cb7$b5fec400$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB1E1@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:16:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0C66_01C33CBF.1B3E6580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_1g0zD.A.ye.0NF_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0C66_01C33CBF.1B3E6580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Bassloop,the CD.Hey Duncan / Loopies I'm still up for editing/mastering the bugger, and maybe gluing some = artwork around it..... if y'r all prepared to surrender that much = editorial control..... my qualifications- 20-some cd releases that I've edited and artworked, = 11 bass guitars, 2 repeaters, 2 jam-mans and an old mcs-1. oh, and 12 = studer-revox tape decks. some hints there as to what the artwork might = feature.... duncan/r.m.i.=20 I'm available to help with artwork and that kind of stuff. I haven't = half of Duncan's experience but here's my most recent cover work. = http://www.powerhaus.net/fdgliner.htm It is about to go for printing at = the start of the week. Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net=20 http://www.drumdojo.com=20 http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation=20 www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe = *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_0C66_01C33CBF.1B3E6580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Bassloop,the CD.
Hey Duncan / Loopies
 
I'm still up for editing/mastering the bugger, and = maybe=20 gluing some artwork around it..... if y'r all prepared to surrender that = much=20 editorial control.....

my qualifications- 20-some cd releases that I've = edited and=20 artworked, 11 bass guitars, 2 repeaters, 2 jam-mans and an old mcs-1. = oh, and=20 12 studer-revox tape decks. some hints there as to what the artwork = might=20 feature....

duncan/r.m.i.

I'm available to = help with=20 artwork and that kind of stuff.  I haven't half of Duncan's = experience=20 but here's my most recent cover work.  http://www.powerhaus.net/fdgliner.htm It is about to go for printing at the start of the=20 week.
Paul
----------------------
Paul=20 Marshall
Portfolio Sound Artist
http://www.powerhaus.net
http://www.drumdojo.com
http://www.differentdrums.co.uk<= /A>
NI=20 Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation
www.dacapo.co.uk
Drumdojo = Recommended=20 link For June 2003
Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg =
=


************************************************************= ***************
CONFIDENTIALITY=20 NOTICE

The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the = ordinary=20 user
of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may = also
be=20 privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may =
not copy,=20 forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it
in any form = whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,
please e-mail = the=20 sender by replying to this message.

It is your responsibility = to carry=20 out appropriate virus and other
checks to ensure that this message = and any=20 attachments do not
affect your systems / data. Any views or = opinions=20 expressed in this
e-mail are solely those of the author and do not=20 necessarily
represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless = specifically=20 stated,
nor does this message form any part of any contract unless = so=20 stated.

MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications = from
external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct =
and=20 appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.

MTV Networks=20 = Europe
***************************************************************= ************
 ------=_NextPart_000_0C66_01C33CBF.1B3E6580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 10:28:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5REISv01498; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:18:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:18:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:17:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re:NYC trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3fPwe.A.SX.0IF_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Im just about to set off for home to unpack, repack and go to the >airport to leave the merry wet shores of england for the (hopefully) >warmer climes of New York City. > to all the boys and girls who will be meeting up at the Loop on >saturday the 5th i just tought id say how excited i am at the >prospect of hanging with some other loopers. > I hope you can all still make it, and for anyone who missed the >first post, please feel free to come along and join us at The Loop >in new york(follow the link for the full address). I'll certainly be there! And do contact me before that, there are tons of things to do next week -- two good shows on Monday and Tuesday alone. I might add -- Chama where we loop is small and out of the way but it IS air-conditioned, which is VERY important when the weather is disgusting like it is... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 10:52:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5REntH04216; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:49:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:49:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627144954.24650.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Looping because you suck? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030627004424.81378.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry Blankenship wrote: > > > David Torn's looping CDs are good to me because he > > > can actually play the guitar great and is not > > > using looping as a cover up for an inability to > > > play well (as is sometimes the case). To which I replied (Greg House ): > > Definitely in my case. Is that a problem? Then Terry followed up with: > No, Brian Eno created some wonderful music and he > claimed to be a non- musician. I though the music he > created was very musical. > > I just like David Torn's CDs because he plays guitar > really well. That's cool, thanks for the distinction. I was also thinking about that, and came to the conclusion that skill does not necessarily equal musicality. I know people who have very little musical skill, or even technical knowledge, who produce wonderful music. Now, the combination of a high degree of skill WITH outstanding musicality can produce some amazing results (as you note about David Torn). Now to turn the discussion a little bit, I've been thinking about this concept for a day or two now, the idea that we would use loopers to cover up the fact that we are poor instrumentalists. I'm wondering if that's really possible. When I loop, the results are not any better then when I play without looping. In fact, it can be worse if I'm having a bad day or something, simply because there are more layers of my suckage to hear at the same time. Looping has challenged me as a musician in a way that solo and ensemble playing haven't. For me, making good music while looping seems more difficult, in a way, since I need to be more careful. ...but it's also easier and more enjoyable from another perspective, since I tend to respond to sounds and textures I'm hearing. When I play alone, I don't hear those, so my playing can often be stale. If I can create some interesting textures in the loops, which I can then respond to, the solo improvisations are more It's just the way the musical part of my mind works. I've never been good at remembering specific parts, playing the same thing consistantly every time a song is done. I tend to respond out of how I'm feeling at the moment, what else I'm hearing in the music, what color the lights are, and all that. I'm not a playactor, where the performance is the same every night. This also leaves me subject to a lot of stuff I don't have much control over, and my playing is therefore very inconsistant. On a good day, I like what I do, on a bad day...it's indescribably hideous. I'm sure this all relates back to a lack of solid musical education, a lack of personal discipline in practice, an incoherency in the way I think, and probably many other personal flaws. However, for whatever failings it demonstrates in me, the fact remains that this -is- how I am presently. Looping helps inspire me in a positive way, that's why I do it. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 10:56:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5REt7J04644; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:55:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <028f01c33d52$ac7dbd00$01a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030620065707.9947.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: the mermen - live looping Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:52:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4a3LID.A.bIB.LrF_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com saw the mermen last night (holy jeebus!) and what do i spy in jim thomas' rack but an obie edp. it wasn't used extensively, but i was keeping an eye on the gear and he was pulling off some very smooth live looping. the mermen rule. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 11:03:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RF2NB05120; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:02:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:02:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:01:40 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: essential loop recordings/loop history To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <017b01c33cbd$042ab8a0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <048501c33c2e$4215e840$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <006f01c33c9f$594274e0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Lawson" > > > Players who've had a significant effect on the way I use looping - > > > > > Eberhard Weber - the first person I ever saw using an EDP. I'm sure I'd > > have > > > been more blown away by his looping if I wasn't so disgusted by his > > > intonation... ;o) > > > > I love his playing! The intonation IS him. He's one of those > > musicians that I instantly recognize. > > > > * David Beardsley > > Being instantly recogniseable is one thing. Being completely out of tune > (not microtonal, or just intonated or whatever, just not in control of his > intonation) is quite another. On record, his intonation is often fine - > Pendulum is a fantastic record, a truly wonderful solo bass looping record. > But live, he just sounded like a bassist with a load of great ideas who > desparately needed fretlines on his bass. Which was a real shame. I've never heard him play in person, but I would be interested to hear him fumbling around on the bass as you describe. All we have is your word. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 11:29:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RFAw205655; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:10:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAE93@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Looping because you suck? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:10:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In fact, it can be > worse if I'm having a > bad day or something, simply because there are more layers of > my suckage to hear > at the same time. not only that but the suckage will repeat again and again and... m http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 11:30:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RFSCf06859; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c33cc1$1da7d980$8e36c797@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030620065707.9947.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> <028f01c33d52$ac7dbd00$01a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: the mermen - live looping Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:31:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [151.199.54.142] at Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:28:05 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember seeing The Mermen on a rare East Coast tour when they played TT The Bears in Cambridge, Massachusetts. This may have been 93 or 94?? There was a lot of buzz on them at the time, and the curiosity factor was high, well, as were many of those who were curious... Among the post-modern highly educated punk rock music intelligentsia present, suspicions were aroused when they took an hour to set up. Perhaps the club was smaller than they are used to playing, but the guitarist had tons of equipment, including three pedal boards and at least two EDP's tucked into two 6-space racks of gear. Sadly, it seemed the hype outstripped at least that evenings performance. The music was fine, if a little plodding and perhaps also somewhat derivative. But the presentation of so much equipment that in the end only added up to the sonic equivalent of a boss analog delay and chorus pedal was the stuff of much teehee-ing and side jokes with a crew of people standing around me. Perhaps these people weren't high enough... :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 4:52 AM Subject: the mermen - live looping > saw the mermen last night (holy jeebus!) and what do i spy in jim thomas' > rack but an obie edp. it wasn't used extensively, but i was keeping an eye > on the gear and he was pulling off some very smooth live looping. > > the mermen rule. > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 11:35:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RFX0407312; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:33:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030627082942.016a63c8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:30:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: the mermen - live looping In-Reply-To: <000c01c33cc1$1da7d980$8e36c797@hppav> References: <20030620065707.9947.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> <028f01c33d52$ac7dbd00$01a44a43@g0wn7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ohhh my gaawwwd!!! derivative??? of what? At 08:31 AM 03/06/27, David wrote: >The music was fine, if a little plodding and perhaps also somewhat >derivative. But the presentation of so much equipment that in the end only From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 11:41:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RFdIS07775; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:39:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:39:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030627080103.0161f6e8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:39:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: the mermen - live looping In-Reply-To: <028f01c33d52$ac7dbd00$01a44a43@g0wn7> References: <20030620065707.9947.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah - Jim's looping segues between songs are pretty cool. I think that Rick Walker made a cameo performance with them at the Santa Cruz Digital Arts Festival earlier this year (missed it myself). Rick never mentioned it here though... - maybe it wasn't him, just some other found-sound looping percussionist from Santa Cruz. At 01:52 AM 03/06/28, jimfowler wrote: >saw the mermen last night (holy jeebus!) and what do i spy in jim thomas' >rack but an obie edp. it wasn't used extensively, but i was keeping an eye >on the gear and he was pulling off some very smooth live looping. > >the mermen rule. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 11:53:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RFonl08756; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:50:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:50:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb6DX62OQTBQdg/tMl5uR9kRGxlQlkBEXkpXjgVZ10PzUOqDz7/k2+9 Message-ID: <00ae01c33cc3$cbe0c320$6501a8c0@ldroby> From: "LeonD" To: References: <20030626033903.98930.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626125912.03333e78@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:46:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The thing about Frisell's music is that it's never static. One of his CD's is solo, some are straight ahead jazz, some are experimental, one is a country / jazz hybrid and some are just plain Bill. What sets him apart is that they are all great. I saw him once live in NYC doing straight ahead jazz. For various reasons, it was the best live music I ever saw (also on that day I stumbled into a Sadowsky Strat that I bought from Roger himself; its since become my favorite guitar). I would go far out of my way to see him again. Anyways, if I had to recommend one CD, it would be the live trio one. I'm not sure how much is looped but it amazes me how much quality sound, three guys can make. It's a CD where every time you play it, it puts a smile on your face. Bill also has a video out that include three of his songs (with the trio), goes over his equipment and his thought process behind his music. Regarding his equipment, like his music, Bill's equipment has changed over the years so what is on the video may not be what he is playing now. LeonD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings > Wow, now we've had like 10 different Frisell albums recommended! I think > this is why I never end up owning any of them, there's too many to choose > from.... > > Can you guys distill it down to one really excellent choice for showing off > his looping? Maybe some of the others can be mentioned in the review of on > the page, but at least let's choose one to head the list. > > And can one of you guys write a review of it for the page? > > thanks! > > kim > > > At 08:59 PM 6/25/2003, Greg Kucharo wrote: > > >I heartily recommend as starter Frisell albums; > > > >Quartet > >Nashville > >Good Dog, Happy Man > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 12:35:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RGYHt11956; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:34:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:34:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:32:38 -0400 Subject: Re: NYC trip From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3139561958_81709_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3139561958_81709_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hola, NYC loopers and visiting luminaries, I'd love to come, but am playing at a big contact improv dance thing this weekend out in Western Mass. That should be very cool-- tons of people all there and ready to hear and move. I checked MapQuest and it's like 3+ hours from where I'll be to NYC. Bummer. Don't think I can do it this time around. Well, have fun. I'm probably coming to NY in July sometime, so maybe I can meet some of you then. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com on 6/27/03 10:17 AM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: >Im just about to set off for home to unpack, repack and go to the >airport to leave the merry wet shores of england for the (hopefully) >warmer climes of New York City. > to all the boys and girls who will be meeting up at the Loop on >saturday the 5th i just tought id say how excited i am at the >prospect of hanging with some other loopers. > I hope you can all still make it, and for anyone who missed the >first post, please feel free to come along and join us at The Loop >in new york(follow the link for the full address). I'll certainly be there! And do contact me before that, there are tons of things to do next week -- two good shows on Monday and Tuesday alone. I might add -- Chama where we loop is small and out of the way but it IS air-conditioned, which is VERY important when the weather is disgusting like it is... /t --MS_Mac_OE_3139561958_81709_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: NYC trip
hola, NYC loopers and visiting luminaries,

I'd love to come, but am playing at a big contact improv dance thing this w= eekend out in Western Mass. That should be very cool-- tons of people all th= ere and ready to hear and move.

I checked MapQuest and it's like 3+ hours from where I'll be to NYC. Bummer= . Don't think I can do it this time around.

Well, have fun. I'm probably coming to NY in July sometime, so maybe I can = meet some of you then.

dan


--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com





on 6/27/03 10:17 AM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote:

>Im just about to set off for home to unpack, repack and go = to the
>airport to leave the merry wet shores of england for the (hopefully) >warmer climes of New York City.
>  to all the boys and girls who will be meeting up at the Loop on =
>saturday the 5th i just tought id say how excited i am at the
>prospect of hanging with some other loopers.
>  I hope you can all still make it, and for anyone who missed the =
>first post, please feel free to come along and join us at The Loop
>in new york(follow the link for the full address).

I'll certainly be there!  And do contact me before that, there are tons of things to do next week -- two good shows on Monday and
Tuesday alone.

I might add -- Chama where we loop is small and out of the way but it
IS air-conditioned, which is VERY important when the weather is
disgusting like it is...

    /t

--MS_Mac_OE_3139561958_81709_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 12:57:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RGud213419; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:56:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:56:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:55:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Letter of Introduction From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c339a0$52ac4cc0$650a230a@ws42554> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3139563301_162469_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3139563301_162469_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hey Michael-- good luck-- I think you'll like the westerly vibe out there. Glad we got to at least hear each other at Boston Loopfest. Take care! hey Doug-- hi and welcome to Massachusetts. I'm in Boston as well. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --MS_Mac_OE_3139563301_162469_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Letter of Introduction hey Michael--


good luck-- I think you'll like the westerly vibe out there. Glad we got to= at least hear each other at Boston Loopfest. Take care!



hey Doug--


hi and welcome to Massachusetts. I'm in Boston as well.


dan


--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com





--MS_Mac_OE_3139563301_162469_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 13:02:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RH0mZ14122; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627170046.33715.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:00:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: What happened to the Headrush? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <18CC90A3-A83C-11D7-B149-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just looking around at a few of the online catalogs (MF, AMS, etc) and I don't see the Headrush listed anywhere. Did it get quietly discontinued or something? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 13:05:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RH43X14470; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:04:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:04:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:02:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3139563744_189149_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3139563744_189149_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Here's a thought -- don't know if it's too late and final decisions have already been made, but in terms of listening pleasure, it might be good to mix it up, rather than do an "alone" and a "with" CD. Maybe it would work to just plan on doing 2 CDs and mixing the tracks over them in combinations/ sequences that provide good listening. what do you think? I know my ear would probably rather hear some beats or something every so often, rather than a whole CD of nothing but bass (not that I don't love bass, cuz I do) dan on 6/25/03 3:53 PM, scott kungha drengsen at kungha@earthlink.net wrote: So,We have a wonderful list of contributers.And I'm very excited to hear everyones work.The "problem" is that with 19 people we would all be limited to a little over 3 minutes...So how would people feel about a Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass created in real time.-and Volume II "plays well with others"-other musicians,drum machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!! I'm not sure this would result in an even division of our talents but,I suspect it will.. I need to know if; 1. This sounds good to everyone 2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II (I have thought of other options,so has Dave Talento, and this seems to be the most inclusive and potentially interesting to bassists and loopists.I guese we'll see how this works out) > 1.Max Valentino > > 2.Dan Soltzberg > > 3.Alex Stahl > > 4.Rick Walker > > 5.Cameron Street > > 6.Duncan Goddard > > 7.Jeese Ray Lucas > > 8.me > > 9.Doug @ jumpcut ? > > 10.Evan Meyers > > 11.Jair Rohm Packer Wells > > 12.OJ > > 13.Gregory Bruce Campbell > > 14.Chris Filber > > 15.Weg > > 16.Steve Lawson > > 17.Mark Christiansen > > 18.Dave Trenkel 19.David Talento PEACE Scott --MS_Mac_OE_3139563744_189149_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Bassloop,the CD.

Here's a thought --   don't know if it's too late and final decis= ions have already been made, but in terms of listening pleasure, it might be= good to mix it up, rather than do an "alone" and a "with&quo= t; CD.

Maybe it would work to just plan on doing 2 CDs and mixing the tracks over = them in combinations/ sequences that provide good listening.

what do you think?  I know my ear would probably rather hear some beat= s or something every so often, rather than a whole CD of nothing but bass (n= ot that I don't love bass, cuz I do)

dan







on 6/25/03 3:53 PM, scott kungha drengsen at kungha@earthlink.net wrote:
So,We have a wonderful list of contributers.And I'm very excite= d to
hear everyones work.The "problem" is that with 19 people we would= all be
limited to a little over 3 minutes...So how would people feel about a
Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass created in real=
time.-and Volume II "plays well with others"-other musicians,drum=
machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!!
I'm not sure this would result in an even division of our talents but,I suspect it will..
I need to know if;
1. This sounds good to everyone
2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II
(I have thought of other options,so has Dave Talento, and this seems to be the most inclusive and potentially interesting to bassists and
loopists.I guese we'll see how this works out)
> 1.Max Valentino
> > 2.Dan Soltzberg
> > 3.Alex Stahl
> > 4.Rick Walker
> > 5.Cameron Street
> > 6.Duncan Goddard
> > 7.Jeese Ray Lucas
> > 8.me
> > 9.Doug @ jumpcut ?
> > 10.Evan Meyers
> > 11.Jair Rohm Packer Wells
> > 12.OJ
> > 13.Gregory Bruce Campbell
> > 14.Chris Filber
> > 15.Weg
> > 16.Steve Lawson
> > 17.Mark Christiansen
> > 18.Dave Trenkel
   19.David Talento
PEACE
Scott


--MS_Mac_OE_3139563744_189149_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 13:15:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RHDko16053; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:13:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:13:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:45:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:06 PM -0700 6/26/03, Kim Flint wrote: >you mentioned a couple of other albums featuring Paul's looping in >the early 80's - Way of How and Are/Are. But I don't see them on >Paul's discography. Are these still available anywhere? and if you >are familiar with all of these, do you think those two are a better >representation of his looping style of the time, or would "This Same >Temple" be a better choice? I don't know if either of these was ever released as an "album" though there was a cassette version of "The Way of How." You'd probably have to approach Paul directly to get a copy. The music for these two performance pieces was well integrated with the visual performance by singer/actors John Duykers and Rinde Eckert and mime Leonard Pitt. A lot of it consisted of textural "beds" to accompany mimed activity, so these sections are represented in abbreviated form on the tape. Paul played electric guitar and Casio keyboard, and the two singers doubled on flute and trombone. As to what is "a better representation of his looping style of the time" I'd say that you'd really want to listen to both the material on "This Same Temple" and "The Way of How." It's clearly the same composer working with the same technology, but with different source material in the ensemble work. Note that Paul was a member of George Coates Performance Works for three productions, the third of which did not use the loop system. He then formed the Paul Dresher Ensemble with drummer Gene Reffkin and writer-performer Rinde Eckert in 1985. The loop system was essential to their first production "Slow Fire" and is another representative recording. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 13:17:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RHDms16083; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:13:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:13:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15f.228afd70.2c2d8c03@aol.com> References: <15f.228afd70.2c2d8c03@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:05:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:01 AM -0400 6/27/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >My comment was not to say that he was influenced by these folks but >that his music sort of sounded like this to me a little bit. These were >the only other reference points I had . . . at the time. I hadn't heard >a lot at the time. I was probably responding more to my own ruminations about influence, since at by time I was living with Paul (1977-79) is was already familiar with his East Bay musical milieu. There was a lot of performance with tape delay at Mills and elsewhere, and there was a strong influence by Don Buchla and Allen Strange on the synthesizer side. >Now that you mention Reich, I'd say sure! The piece also sounded a bit >like Steven's "Electric Counterpoint"...My only exposure to >Reich then was "Music for 18 Musicians" and my unsophisticated ear >did not catch a connection. Paul listened to a lot of Reich and a lot of his earlier music showed that. In 1978 Steve Reich produced a series of concerts in New York and Paul's music was featured. >Nor was I very familiar with Riley at that time -- though I'd heard >a lot about "In C" i'd never heard the piece itself (I'm all too >embarrassed to admit). I was lucky - a friend of mine who was the music director of WBCN in Boston played me "Rainbow in Curved Air" right when it came out. Riley was the biggest influence on a small group of us in Santa Cruz in 1975-77. We'd typically set up a pair of TEAC 4-track decks in the Time Lag Accumulator configuration and improvise what we called "pattern music." I don't recall hearing any Fripp-Eno until later on. >Actually I saw Daniel Lentz on the same day as the Dresher concert. Lentz is very important within the West Coast art music scene, but not so influential on the post-Fripp crowd. >UCSB's "College of Creative Studies" and the Music Academy of the >West in Montecito had lots of interesting people flowing through >them continually. Some interesting work in synthesis and spatial music is being done at UCSB. The Music Academy was a major step in my partner Pam's musical life - she went there right out of high school. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 13:20:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RHI2P16492; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:18:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:18:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Suck because you're Looping ? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:17:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030627144954.24650.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some folks don't like repetition . . . Looping IS magic . . . Ya gotta fool 'em ya know . . . Now bear in mind that most of what I will present to an audience falls into the "structure then solo" paradigm-- It's either good music or it's not--and it's fucking hard to play good music when you have to operate heavy machinery. Wish I was stoned . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping because you suck? Terry Blankenship wrote: > > > David Torn's looping CDs are good to me because he > > > can actually play the guitar great and is not > > > using looping as a cover up for an inability to > > > play well (as is sometimes the case). To which I replied (Greg House ): > > Definitely in my case. Is that a problem? Then Terry followed up with: > No, Brian Eno created some wonderful music and he > claimed to be a non- musician. I though the music he > created was very musical. > > I just like David Torn's CDs because he plays guitar > really well. Greg replied: I've been thinking about this concept for a day or two now, the idea that we would use loopers to cover up the fact that we are poor instrumentalists. I'm wondering if that's really possible. When I loop, the results are not any better then when I play without looping. In fact, it can be worse if I'm having a bad day or something, simply because there are more layers of my suckage to hear at the same time. Looping has challenged me as a musician in a way that solo and ensemble playing haven't. For me, making good music while looping seems more difficult, in a way, since I need to be more careful. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 13:56:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RHqiN20077; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:52:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:52:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:52:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22FB5993-A8C8-11D7-8472-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Greg replied: > I've been thinking about this concept for a day or two now, the idea > that we would use loopers to cover up the fact that we are poor > instrumentalists. If anything it's the exact opposite. Unless you're equipped with a looper with an "undo" function, you're sure to hear that mistake over and over, where as in a live performance it usually looms bigger in your mind than your audience, as it's totally transient. I cut my looping teeth on a JamMan which had no undo, and now that I've gone Repeater, I must admit I don't use it too much. I'm not perfect, I just forget I have it. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 14:10:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RI6nv21946; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:06:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:06:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627180643.52281.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: NYC trip To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dan Soltzberg wrote: >but am playing at a big contact improv dance thing >this weekend out in Western Mass. 'Contact' improv? It's like 102 degrees out right now; sounds, uh, sorta moist! :-) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 14:14:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RIB9L22413; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:11:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:11:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627181103.56356.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:11:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: What happened to the Headrush? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030627170046.33715.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's still out there, but Akai had some sort of reorganization of their US division maybe six months ago. I've never found their distribution to be particularly effective in terms of getting their products into stores where you can actually see/hear/try 'em. At least that appears to be the case here in the Northeast; it may differ in other parts of the country. -t- --- Greg House wrote: > I was just looking around at a few of the online > catalogs (MF, AMS, etc) and I > don't see the Headrush listed anywhere. Did it get > quietly discontinued or > something? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 14:23:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RIK8q23298; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:20:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:20:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6472358.1056738004746.JavaMail.nobody@scooter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:20:03 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Phil Keaggy on looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=646 X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h5RIK5B23269 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From the Q&A section on PK's website (www.philkeaggy.net): Phil, I was first exposed to "looping" at one of your concerts here in Michigan a year or two ago and was really excited by the possibilities that it offers creatively.  I was wondering what advice you could give me on getting started with the "art" of looping.  I'm sure practice is the biggest thing, but I'd appreciate any tips to help a novice "looper".   Dave Clarke Hi Dave.... Aside from practice, I think the best thing you could do is practice.  And if that doesn’t work, I’d suggest maybe practicing. Because you get good at what you do over and over again.   - Phil Keaggy ***** Thanks for taking these questions.  I'd like to get into looping, and thought I'd ask you since you know what you're doing.  I’d be using it for mostly for live worship songs, being able to layer some instrumental interludes over chord progressions.  - Mike Magnussen Hi Mike.... If you’re doing live worship songs, then I wouldn’t even worry about looping machines.  Because live worship is about spontaneity, unless you’re doing it all by yourself.  If you’re working with other musicians, don’t let that dictate.  It should never take over you’re playing with other people.  I use a Jamman and the Line 6 DL4 because I’m the only musician on stage.  In the studio I’ve used it if I’m the only one there.  If you’re working with other people, you don’t need a Jamman, you don’t need a looping situation. The thing about looping is that it can take your mind off of what you’re supposed to be doing up there for God.  It can cause you to focus too much on your technique, that’s the downside.  For example, last week I did a concert where I plugged directly into the house.  I had no looping, no chorus, no echo, no delay.  And it caused me to concentrate on performing and giving my music to the audience in it’s most bare form.  And I was blessed in doing that.  Let me put it this way – I saw Tommy Emmanuel play one time at an All Star Guitar Night show I did.  Tommy plugged into the house, and nothing else, and he totally captivated me and the audience.  I’ve seen Laurence Juber do the same thing, with nothing else but his guitar in his hands. I’ve been a trickster all my life with my guitar, I’ve always used effects.  I was using effects with Glass Harp back in 1968, Echoplex and Wah-wah pedals, and I’ve not stopped.  But I am most impressed with someone who can make beautiful music without any tricks. The Jamman thing is a fun thing, but it’s mostly for the player. It’s fun, it’s creative, but it’s not essential. God Bless, Phil Keaggy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 14:35:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RIUkk24587; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:30:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:30:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627183045.2394.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5l8J-D.A.CAG.W1I_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Terry Blankenship wrote: > > > > David Torn's looping CDs are good to me > because he > > > > can actually play the guitar great and is not > > > > using looping as a cover up for an inability > to > > > > play well (as is sometimes the case). > "as is stometimes the case" -- can you be a bit more specific? Name a musician or recording please. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 14:35:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RIVSl24653; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:31:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:31:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627183122.39635.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:31:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <22FB5993-A8C8-11D7-8472-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > I cut my looping teeth on a JamMan which had no >undo, and now that I've gone Repeater, I must admit I >don't use it too much. I'm not perfect, I > just forget I have it. It's funny; Terry states that the reason he likes dt is because he's such a good guitarist. Now the only person I've ever heard who has said they *don't* necessarily consider dt all that great of a guitarist is dt himself (as an 'aw shucks' in the context of seeing his role in things more as a texturalist/composer/overall visionary than a conventional instrumentalist), and *I'm* certainly not about to criticize the man's playing. However, there is something about Torn's playing that appeals to me even more than his chops, and that's his adventurousness, even when it means a 'mistake' happens. He is utterly unafraid of going out on musical limbs, even when they break once in a while. When watching some players hit a 'bum' note and then grimace, scowl, wince or otherwise express dismay, I'm reminded of the way dt (on a few videotaped performances I've seen) in such a situation often looks like the offending note is a source of mild amusement, like, 'Ooh, where'd that stinky one come from?'. But THEN, rather than stomping on UNDO, he'll often work the glitch into the fabric of the improv, so after a few repetitions he's built up some surroundings for it that make it sound like he meant to do it all along. THAT to me is essential live looping, thinking on one's feet and working with what happens. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 14:36:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RIWsq24840; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:32:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:32:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:35:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <213384B9-A8CE-11D7-9E19-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember seeing Paul Dresher looping with his tape deck looping rig at Macy's dept. store (!) in San Francisco in the late 70's or early 80's. Macy's was promoting it's line of Casio stuff, including keyboards, and had lined up a week's worth of rather unusual music that was presented inside the store during business hours. Dresher's music was wonderful. he only used a funky little Casio (no aftertouch, velocity, etc) for input, yet the music was dynamic and alive. Rinde Eckert sang along with Dresher's swirling tape loops. When I drove back in for the next day's scheduled performance, a salesman told me that the rest of the week's music had been cancelled, and described Dresher's music as "weird". Mark On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 09:45 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 10:06 PM -0700 6/26/03, Kim Flint wrote: >> you mentioned a couple of other albums featuring Paul's looping in the >> early 80's - Way of How and Are/Are. But I don't see them on Paul's >> discography. Are these still available anywhere? and if you are >> familiar with all of these, do you think those two are a better >> representation of his looping style of the time, or would "This Same >> Temple" be a better choice? > > I don't know if either of these was ever released as an "album" though > there was a cassette version of "The Way of How." You'd probably have > to approach Paul directly to get a copy. > > The music for these two performance pieces was well integrated with the > visual performance by singer/actors John Duykers and Rinde Eckert and > mime Leonard Pitt. A lot of it consisted of textural "beds" to > accompany mimed activity, so these sections are represented in > abbreviated form on the tape. Paul played electric guitar and Casio > keyboard, and the two singers doubled on flute and trombone. > > As to what is "a better representation of his looping style of the > time" I'd say that you'd really want to listen to both the material on > "This Same Temple" and "The Way of How." It's clearly the same composer > working with the same technology, but with different source material in > the ensemble work. Note that Paul was a member of George Coates > Performance Works for three productions, the third of which did not use > the loop system. He then formed the Paul Dresher Ensemble with drummer > Gene Reffkin and writer-performer Rinde Eckert in 1985. The loop system > was essential to their first production "Slow Fire" and is another > representative recording. > -- > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 14:37:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RIZ1j25079; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:35:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:35:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015f01c33cda$c1996ae0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <017b01c33cbd$042ab8a0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:34:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've never heard him play in person, but I would be interested > to hear him fumbling around on the bass as you describe. All > we have is your word. > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db Absolutely - what I find distasteful may be considered perfectly fine to some. I wouldn't have called it fumbling, more that as he got further and further up the dusty end of his bass, the accuracy of his pitch got more and more random. in a band situation, it probably wouldn't have been so noticeable, but when he was layering stuff up with the EDP, the combination of pitches was way off. I know how tricky it is to do - I do a lot of layered fretless stuff myself, and occasionally glitch the pitch. From what I heard on that gig (could be a freak occurance, though other players I've spoken to attested to a similar experience when watching him live), he just didn't have adequate control over his thumb position playing. I don't play upright. If I ever get one, I'll be taking it straight to a luthier and getting at least very obvious position dots on the board, if not getting the whole thing lined... I'll never buy an unlined fretless bass... Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 14:43:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RIehL25820; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:40:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:40:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <115.2592fa64.2c2de998@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:40:24 EDT Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_115.2592fa64.2c2de998_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <2jM5eC.A.TTG.r-I_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_115.2592fa64.2c2de998_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/27/03 2:35:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > I'll never buy an unlined fretless bass... > steve.....do you look at your hands when you play?.....or is a fretless instrument that much harder to play than a fretted one?.....michael who frets over everything --part1_115.2592fa64.2c2de998_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/27/0= 3 2:35:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


I'll never buy an unlined fretl= ess bass...


steve.....do you look at your hands when you play?.....or is a fretless inst= rument that much harder to play than a fretted one?.....michael who frets ov= er everything --part1_115.2592fa64.2c2de998_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 14:44:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RIfNN25916; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:41:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:41:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627184121.28660.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030627183122.39635.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > It's funny; Terry states that the reason he likes dt > is because he's such a good guitarist. Now the only > person I've ever heard who has said they *don't* > necessarily consider dt all that great of a > guitarist > is dt himself I was never impressed with Torn's playing until I saw his Painting videos - He really shows his talent there but I find a lot of what he does with like B.L.U.E not very impressive when you look at the straight guitar work. And I hate his wah sound =) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 14:45:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RIfwG25999; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:41:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:41:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627184151.22065.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <015f01c33cda$c1996ae0$e0154ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Steve Lawson wrote: > taking it straight to a > luthier and getting at least very obvious position > dots on the board, if not > getting the whole thing lined... I'll never buy an > unlined fretless bass... I once had a lined fretless Frankenstein that was assembled from parts of different scale lengths. It *sounded* great, but was instrumental in helping me learn not to look at the fingerboard while playing; because the 'cheater lines' were blatantly wrong, every time I'd look at it while playing I'd screw up! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 15:01:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RIx6127433; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:59:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:59:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <114.25962fe5.2c2dedf2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:58:58 EDT Subject: Re: What happened to the Headrush? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <6NFQ6D.A.gsG.6PJ_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 6/27/03 10:01:42 AM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: << I was just looking around at a few of the online catalogs (MF, AMS, etc) and I don't see the Headrush listed anywhere. >> hi The latest AMS mail order catalog has the Akai Headrush. Order# is #AKAE1 and the listed price is $169.95 BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 15:03:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RJ0q927812; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:00:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:59:32 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00dc01c33cde$3e758000$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <017b01c33cbd$042ab8a0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <015f01c33cda$c1996ae0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > > I've never heard him play in person, but I would be interested > > to hear him fumbling around on the bass as you describe. All > > we have is your word. > > > Absolutely - what I find distasteful may be considered perfectly fine to > some. I wouldn't have called it fumbling, more that as he got further and > further up the dusty end of his bass, the accuracy of his pitch got more and > more random. in a band situation, it probably wouldn't have been so > noticeable, but when he was layering stuff up with the EDP, the combination > of pitches was way off. I know how tricky it is to do - I do a lot of > layered fretless stuff myself, and occasionally glitch the pitch. From what > I heard on that gig (could be a freak occurance, though other players I've > spoken to attested to a similar experience when watching him live), he just > didn't have adequate control over his thumb position playing. Ah...thanks for explainiing a bit more. It's tricky playing high notes on fretless bass, but a hell of a lot easier than on a fretless guitar! I rarely play on that part of the neck on my fretless guitar. > I don't play upright. If I ever get one, I'll be taking it straight to a > luthier and getting at least very obvious position dots on the board, if not > getting the whole thing lined... I'll never buy an unlined fretless bass... I depend on the dots on the side of the neck. That's enough for me. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 15:06:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RJ2xf28115; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:02:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:02:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:00:50 -0700 Subject: Re: the mermen - live looping From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030627080103.0161f6e8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yeah - Jim's looping segues between songs are pretty cool. > > I think that Rick Walker made a cameo performance with them at the Santa > Cruz Digital Arts Festival earlier this year (missed it myself). Rick > never mentioned it here though... - maybe it wasn't him, just some other > found-sound looping percussionist from Santa Cruz. > > > At 01:52 AM 03/06/28, jimfowler wrote: >> saw the mermen last night (holy jeebus!) and what do i spy in jim thomas' >> rack but an obie edp. it wasn't used extensively, but i was keeping an eye >> on the gear and he was pulling off some very smooth live looping. >> >> the mermen rule. > wow- spiel and i dint even startitup... yeah *the* rick walker joined the mermen on 4/12 for that digital arts festival they had in santacruz-unfortunately he was poorly mic'ed and nowhere in the mix. so the tapes of the show contain little of the florescent one, unfortunatelee... as previouslee mentioned: the mermen rule goinloopee stans (also-jimthomas looped w/ edps originally when they first came out(the ep-"songs of the cows" contain copious loopings very well imbedded in the tunes) then he became enamored w/ repeater-but it did him bad on occasion...so its back to edp for his very creative,imaginative loops he does during their epic,longass shows... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 15:08:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RJ54V28422; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:05:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:05:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:04:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030627184121.28660.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3E8FA604-A8D2-11D7-8472-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know he's on the list, and I don't want to dis anyone, but as a point of creative critique, I often hate Torn's guitar sound in general. So peaky in the upper midrange/ high freq area. So harsh. I listen to his stuff a lot anyway, as I find most of it to be great even though I wish I could tweak his tone a bit. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 11:41 AM, Squid Loop wrote: > I was never impressed with Torn's playing until I saw > his Painting videos - He really shows his talent there > but I find a lot of what he does with like B.L.U.E not > very impressive when you look at the straight guitar > work. And I hate his wah sound =) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 15:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RJNbx30134; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c33ce1$a6a58780$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <115.2592fa64.2c2de998@aol.com> Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C33CAF.5BDBCA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C33CAF.5BDBCA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fretless is way harder than fretted, in my opinion. Been hacking away = at fretless bass on a daily basis for the last six years, and I still = feel like I suck. You actually have to use your ear for intonation. A = big drain on CPU cycles. Not like these fucking guitarist and = keyboardist "button pushers." ;) I look at my hands. My bass doesn't have lines, but it has dots on the = side of the neck (thank god). But, like I wrote to Mr. Lawson in a = private mail regarding the Eberhard thread, I think when the roundwounds = chew through this fingerboard I'm going to send it back to Joe Zon and = have him put a lined neck on it. Hey, if Gary Willis, and Jaco use(d) = lined necks, why the hell am I so worried about no lines as some kind of = legitimacy issue? 'Course Manring ain't go no lines and his intonation is pretty good, = considering the game of Twister his fingers play to make some of those = chords. Oh, wait, and Alain Caron doesn't have lines either. =20 All fretless instrument players play out of tune to a degree. It's all = about how fast you can correct it. I feel like it's easier to hear = out-of-tune-ness on an electric bass because of roundwound strings and = their very strong/full harmonic content. Especially when strings are = new. =20 -J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... In a message dated 6/27/03 2:35:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: I'll never buy an unlined fretless bass... steve.....do you look at your hands when you play?.....or is a = fretless instrument that much harder to play than a fretted = one?.....michael who frets over everything ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C33CAF.5BDBCA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fretless is way harder than fretted, in = my=20 opinion.  Been hacking away at fretless bass on a daily basis for = the last=20 six years, and I still feel like I suck.  You actually have to use = your ear=20 for intonation.  A big drain on CPU cycles.  Not like these = fucking=20 guitarist and keyboardist "button pushers."  ;)
 
I look at my hands.  My bass = doesn't have=20 lines, but it has dots on the side of the neck (thank god).  But, = like I=20 wrote to Mr. Lawson in a private mail regarding the Eberhard = thread, I=20 think when the roundwounds chew through this fingerboard I'm going to = send it=20 back to Joe Zon and have him put a lined neck on it.  Hey, if Gary = Willis,=20 and Jaco use(d) lined necks, why the hell am I so worried about no = lines as=20 some kind of legitimacy issue?
 
'Course Manring ain't go no lines and = his=20 intonation is pretty good, considering the game of Twister his fingers = play to=20 make some of  those chords.  Oh, wait, and Alain Caron doesn't = have=20 lines either. 
 
All fretless instrument players play = out of tune to=20 a degree.  It's all about how fast you can correct it.  I feel = like=20 it's easier to hear out-of-tune-ness on an electric bass because of = roundwound=20 strings and their very strong/full harmonic content.  Especially = when=20 strings are new. 
 
-J
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 = 12:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: Eberhard's=20 intonation...

In a = message dated=20 6/27/03 2:35:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk=20 writes:


I'll never buy an unlined fretless=20 bass...


steve.....do you look at your hands = when you=20 play?.....or is a fretless instrument that much harder to play than a = fretted=20 one?.....michael who frets over everything=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C33CAF.5BDBCA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 15:36:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RJXkD31132; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:33:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:33:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:33:10 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: FS: lexicon vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <08d301c33ce2$f16eed00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2KkszB.A.TmH.awJ_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry for all the fs posts, but i like to give you guys first shot at these things. it's pretty new condition. haven't used it much. original manual, pedal, chord, wallwart and box. reply offlist if you are interested, please. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 15:53:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RJp8r00477; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:51:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627195106.86594.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Suck because you're not dt? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3E8FA604-A8D2-11D7-8472-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > I know he's on the list, He was pretty active a couple of years ago, but I haven't seen any posts from him in months. Has he given up on us? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 15:56:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RJt4801177; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:55:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:55:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:55:45 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Suck because you're not dt? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ae01c33ce6$19436e20$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030627195106.86594.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" > --- mark wrote: > > I know he's on the list, > > He was pretty active a couple of years ago, but I haven't seen any posts from him > in months. Has he given up on us? He's a pretty busy guy! * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 15:57:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RJtk901231; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:55:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:55:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: San Diego Looper Mentioned in Press Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:55:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Earthlings-- Tom Griesgraber, San Diego Stick man and looper (he's been using a Repeater and now has added an EDP to the mix) got a mention in today's San Diego Union (no mention of looping or Chapman Stick) as he is playing at the Del Mar Fair--gotta go see him--says he sold 800+ CDs last year there--maybe that's the ticket for would-be loop performers? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 16:02:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RK13u01689; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:01:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:01:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.199.26] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:32:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2003 19:32:51.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5F8A920:01C33CE2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With all the chatter over Frissell lately, and I must admit the man has been a HUGE influence on me musically, yesterday I picked up a copy of "The Intercontinentals", which is, as far as I can tell, a brand new release. Very African-inspired group, yet with a definate "americana" sort of vibe there too, with african percussion, oud, steel guitar and violin...and some rather extraordinary (and sonically ovious) loopage from Mr. Frissell. Quite different from his previous recordings these past few years. Just another facet of the man's rather deep musical personality. Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 16:15:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RKEPm02787; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.199.26] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:27:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2003 19:27:54.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[34BAAAF0:01C33CE2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Steve Lawson" I'll never buy an unlined fretless bass... Ah...Steve, I know what you mean. My new fretless five string is unlined (!), and I am going thru that very challenge of being in tune. Oddly..playing high is actually easier (perhaps my ears can discern the pitch better?). It is getting better. The positive aspect of all this is just how acute my sense of pitch, and time, have become thru all the work I have been doing on the fretless. As a challenge and excecise in all of this I have been recording parts..mostly simple melodies...and then trying to double track them. Listening back I am finding where the "probelm areas" are. It is a rather difficult task, and it makes me appreciate and respect Mick Karn even more....... Max _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 16:18:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RKHHp03200; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:17:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:17:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030627131711.0355be90@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:17:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: What happened to the Headrush? In-Reply-To: <20030627170046.33715.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <18CC90A3-A83C-11D7-B149-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5Y2_ID.A.3x.MZK_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:00 AM 6/27/2003, Greg House wrote: >I was just looking around at a few of the online catalogs (MF, AMS, etc) and I >don't see the Headrush listed anywhere. Did it get quietly discontinued or >something? Akai still shows it as a current product on their website: http://www.akaipro.com/global/FX/fxfs.htm kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 16:26:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RKP4e03951; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:25:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:25:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627202502.2395.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:25:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: FYI: headrush update To: loopers-delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AMS doesn't carry it any more. Greg --- custserve@americanmusical.com wrote: > To: ghunicycle@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Product Search Support (gh145693) > From: custserve@americanmusical.com > Date: 27 Jun 2003 15:23:29 -0500 > > Thank you for your email. Unfortunatley, we don't carry this item any longer. > You may want to contact akai to see who they distribute to and they can direct > you where to purchase. > > Thank you, > Stacy > AMS Customer Service > > ------------- > > On Friday, June 27, 2003 2:53:00 PM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > This is a Product Search Support email. The submitted information is a > > s follows: > > > > Search: HEADRUSH > > Make: Headrush > > Model: Akai > > Comments: > > This doesn't appear to be in your online catalog any more, but I'm told > > it's still in the print catalog. Is it available or not? > > > > Thanks, > Greg House __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 16:30:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RKTAw04470; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ovious Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:29:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Always wanting to learn a new swell word, I searched the web for this one--lots of citations . . . Then went to dictionary.com and decided Max meant obvious . . . or did he . . . Bivious means headed in two directions so maybe ovious means headed in a loop . . . Maybe this can be the new name for "our" music . . . Just shoot me, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 17:28:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RLPrG10081; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:25:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:25:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04c101c33cf2$af5ee590$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <115.2592fa64.2c2de998@aol.com> <002501c33ce1$a6a58780$520cfc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:25:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04BE_01C33CB8.019F1E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3718.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3718.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04BE_01C33CB8.019F1E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Fretless is way harder than fretted, in my opinion. =20 I switched to "fretless" basses almost exclusively for the last 3 years = (both electric and by playing upright) ... I actually find it harder to = play fretless now. >> Hey, if Gary Willis, and Jaco use(d) lined necks,=20 >> why the hell am I so worried about no lines as some=20 >> kind of legitimacy issue? Do what's best for you as a player ... but I don't think fret lines have = any effect on Gary's or Jaco's intonation when playing their blazing = riffs or when playing cross string runs ... it's just muscle memory and = ears at that point. Although, Gary Willis says he would ~never~ play a = fretless bass without lines ...=20 No matter whether you have lines or not ... you have to work on your = intonation ... I use two methods to work on this ... I set-up my = arpeggio/scale practice charts in Band-In-A-Box to play along = note-for-note, or just use root tones as a drone tone for intonation = reference. I find that I called the horn players in my one band on = intonation issues more than realizing I was having issues during = performance ... After playing violin as a kid, I figured if little kids aren't = frightened by violins, I shouldn't be afraid of a fretless bass with no = lines as an adult ... there's much more room for error on a bass, even = in the upper registers. ------=_NextPart_000_04BE_01C33CB8.019F1E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> Fretless is way harder than = fretted, in my=20 opinion. 
 
I switched to "fretless" basses almost = exclusively=20 for the last 3 years (both electric and by playing upright) ... I = actually find=20 it harder to play fretless now.
 
>> Hey, if Gary Willis, and Jaco = use(d) lined=20 necks,
>> why the hell am I so worried = about no=20 lines as some
>> kind of legitimacy = issue?
 
Do what's best for you as a player ... = but I don't=20 think fret lines have any effect on Gary's or Jaco's intonation = when=20 playing their blazing riffs or when playing cross string runs ... = it's just=20 muscle memory and ears at that point. Although, Gary Willis says he = would=20 ~never~ play a fretless bass without lines ...
 
No matter whether you have lines or not = ... you=20 have to work on your intonation ... I use two methods to work on this = ... I=20 set-up my arpeggio/scale practice charts in Band-In-A-Box to play along=20 note-for-note, or just use root tones as a drone tone for intonation = reference.=20 I find that I called the horn players = in my one=20 band on intonation issues more than realizing I was having issues during = performance ...
 
After playing violin as a kid, I = figured if little=20 kids aren't frightened by violins, I shouldn't be afraid of a fretless = bass with=20 no lines as an adult ... there's much more room for error on a bass, = even in the=20 upper registers.
------=_NextPart_000_04BE_01C33CB8.019F1E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 17:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RLWo511042; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:32:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:32:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.16d34581.2c2e11f9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:32:41 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <6pD_c.A.YsC.BgL_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mr. Lawson writes > he just > didn't have adequate control over his thumb position playing. I don't remember that particular problem when I saw him play, but there were certainly times when his playing wasn't spot on rhythmically. Some of the "crowd pleaser" part of his set was dead rough. I notice he does use microtones though, sounding a low E with a high note between G and G# was once a trademark Eberhard sound. I really enjoyed his set though, a good lesson in musical looping without resorting anything more than record, overdub and fade > > I don't play upright. If I ever get one, I'll be taking it straight to a > luthier and getting at least very obvious position dots on the board, if not > getting the whole thing lined... I'll never buy an unlined fretless bass... It's official, Steve's intonation is spot on :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 17:38:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RLbIw11453; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:37:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:37:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:36:55 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <029601c33cf4$3aee7a20$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <115.2592fa64.2c2de998@aol.com> <002501c33ce1$a6a58780$520cfc0c@amd> <04c101c33cf2$af5ee590$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: doug @ jump/cut >After playing violin as a kid, I figured if little kids aren't >frightened by violins, I shouldn't be afraid of a fretless >bass with no lines as an adult ... there's much more >room for error on a bass, even in the upper registers. I think it's a hell of a lot easier to play in tune on a fretless bass than a violin. A violin has such a damm short scale. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 17:46:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RLjes12854; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:45:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:45:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:44:37 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02b501c33cf5$4eae3680$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <19c.16d34581.2c2e11f9@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > I notice he does use microtones though, sounding a low E > with a high note between G and G# was once a trademark > Eberhard sound. Have an example? I have a gig on Sat. and a rehersal on Sun., so I don't have time to listen to all the EW cds in my collection. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 17:59:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RLvf614182; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:57:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:57:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030627215740.22023.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:57:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: San Diego Looper Mentioned in Press To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1080954799-1056751060=:20321" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1080954799-1056751060=:20321 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom previously made a TV appearance as well (local only, I think). I'm impressed with not only his musicianship but also his hard work and dedication in building up his music career and even occasionally bringing in a Stick celeb like Greg Howard to conduct workshops. Paolo Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: Hello Earthlings-- Tom Griesgraber, San Diego Stick man and looper (he's been using a Repeater and now has added an EDP to the mix) got a mention in today's San Diego Union (no mention of looping or Chapman Stick) as he is playing at the Del Mar Fair--gotta go see him--says he sold 800+ CDs last year there--maybe that's the ticket for would-be loop performers? Gary --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-1080954799-1056751060=:20321 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Tom previously made a TV appearance as well (local only, I think).  I'm impressed with not only his musicianship but also his hard work and dedication in building up his music career and even occasionally bringing in a Stick celeb like Greg Howard to conduct workshops.
 
Paolo

Clayton Gary Lehmann <healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hello Earthlings--
Tom Griesgraber, San Diego Stick man and looper (he's been using a Repeater
and now has added an EDP to the mix) got a mention in today's San Diego
Union (no mention of looping or Chapman Stick) as he is playing at the Del
Mar Fair--gotta go see him--says he sold 800+ CDs last year there--maybe
that's the ticket for would-be loop performers?
Gary

Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-1080954799-1056751060=:20321-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 18:05:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RM4GL15234; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:04:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zoom UF01 opinions? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone use the Zoom Ultra Fuzz pedal. I read something about that series being analog in a user review but I can't find any confirming information that it is. Zoom is known for cheesy *very* digital inexpensive multiefects so I'm curious about this creature and if it is analog how does it sounds. I play guitar (as well as other things) so any user information on any instrument is appreciated. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 18:10:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RM7wY15624; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:07:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a601c33cf8$8b001420$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <115.2592fa64.2c2de998@aol.com> Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:07:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > > > I'll never buy an unlined fretless bass... > > > steve.....do you look at your hands when you play?.....or is a fretless > instrument that much harder to play than a fretted one?.....michael who frets over > everything I look at my hands a lot - I will occasionally look up at the audience, and certainly communicate with them via facial expressions, but my maximum is that 'all that ultimately counts is what comes out of the speakers' so I keep my eyes peeled. That way, instead of constantly having to make minute adjustments based on hitting the note sharp or flat and sliding it in by ear, I can combine my ear, my eyes and my muscle memory to get as many notes as possible in tune as often as possible. Someone mentioned Michael Manring's playing - Michael practices a ridiculous amount to maintain his incredible intonation. He also says that if he was starting again now, he'd probably go with fretlines, he just never gave it much thought early on. Alain Caron's basses do have lines, but they don't go all the way across - they are sort of notches in the side of the neck... I'll use whatever I possibly can to get control over my instrument, so playing a bass without lines is totally not an option! :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 18:12:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RMBS615950; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ad01c33cf9$0b2b0d80$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <00dc01c33cde$3e758000$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:11:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Ah...thanks for explainiing a bit more. It's tricky playing > high notes on fretless bass, but a hell of a lot easier than > on a fretless guitar! I rarely play on that part of the neck on my > fretless guitar. > > I depend on the dots on the side of the neck. That's enough for me. Clearly it's enough for you to play in the lower part of the neck, but if you wanted to access those top notes, lines might be the way to go... The most amazing fretless musician I've ever seen from an intonation point of view is Ned Evett - a fretless guitarist from Boise Idaho (who opened for Satch on tour last year) - he plays a fretless guitar, with a glass unmarked fingerboard, and ONE SIDE DOT at the 12 fret - and then plays chords in tune... remarkable. And a very nice guy, and a v. fine singer/songwriter too... well worth checking out - www.nedevett.com as for me, once again I say, lines every time :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 18:30:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RMRvV17492; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:27:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:28:58 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02f401c33cfb$809df800$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00dc01c33cde$3e758000$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <01ad01c33cf9$0b2b0d80$e0154ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > > Ah...thanks for explainiing a bit more. It's tricky playing > > high notes on fretless bass, but a hell of a lot easier than > > on a fretless guitar! I rarely play on that part of the neck on my > > fretless guitar. > > > > I depend on the dots on the side of the neck. That's enough for me. > > Clearly it's enough for you to play in the lower part of the neck, but if > you wanted to access those top notes, lines might be the way to go... Oh...I just haven't worked on hitting those notes, plus the fretless guitar doesn't exactly sing up there. Bottom line: I haven't been practicing the damm thing. I spend almost all my time on the JI gtr., this afternoon I'm playing with the fretless bass, loads of fun, loop heaven. > The most amazing fretless musician I've ever seen from an intonation point > of view is Ned Evett - a fretless guitarist from Boise Idaho (who opened for > Satch on tour last year) - he plays a fretless guitar, with a glass unmarked > fingerboard, and ONE SIDE DOT at the 12 fret - and then plays chords in > tune... remarkable. And a very nice guy, and a v. fine singer/songwriter > too... well worth checking out - www.nedevett.com I know him. We did a bit of hanging out at NAMM a few years ago. Idaho? I thought he lived in S.California. As I remember, he sounds like Steve Vai on a fretless guitar. > as for me, once again I say, lines every time :o) Hey...whatever works. That's what the most important. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 19:14:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RNCvf21109; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.192.244] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ovious Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:12:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2003 23:12:51.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[A19A9530:01C33D01] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops...there was a rather "obvious" typo there.....although it kinda works both ways ("obvious" and "ovious")....a rather unintentional bit of semantic playfulness........... Max > >Always wanting to learn a new swell word, I searched the web for this >one--lots of citations . . . >Then went to dictionary.com and decided Max meant obvious . . . or did he . >. . >Bivious means headed in two directions so maybe ovious means headed in a >loop . . . >Maybe this can be the new name for "our" music . . . >Just shoot me, >Gary > > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 19:18:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5RNFNB21383; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:15:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:15:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:13:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Looping because you suck? From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030627144954.24650.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3139586025_1481327_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3139586025_1481327_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit great topic. I think if a player "sucks," then when he/ she uses looping devices, they will probably suck on many layers of sound simultaneously. And the sucking will become exponential. HOWEVER, I also think that virtuosity is not necessarily musicality. One can be very adept at an instrument and not have a sense for composition, performance, etc. Speaking personally, looping devices enable me express my sense of composition and style of performance in much greater depth than if I am limited to a single layer of sound. I will say this, I tend now to practice less and play/ live compose more, but I think it's made me a much stronger musician overall. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com website redesign coming soon with more solo bass music on 6/27/03 10:49 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: Terry Blankenship wrote: > > > David Torn's looping CDs are good to me because he > > > can actually play the guitar great and is not > > > using looping as a cover up for an inability to > > > play well (as is sometimes the case). To which I replied (Greg House ): > > Definitely in my case. Is that a problem? Then Terry followed up with: > No, Brian Eno created some wonderful music and he > claimed to be a non- musician. I though the music he > created was very musical. > > I just like David Torn's CDs because he plays guitar > really well. That's cool, thanks for the distinction. I was also thinking about that, and came to the conclusion that skill does not necessarily equal musicality. I know people who have very little musical skill, or even technical knowledge, who produce wonderful music. Now, the combination of a high degree of skill WITH outstanding musicality can produce some amazing results (as you note about David Torn). Now to turn the discussion a little bit, I've been thinking about this concept for a day or two now, the idea that we would use loopers to cover up the fact that we are poor instrumentalists. I'm wondering if that's really possible. When I loop, the results are not any better then when I play without looping. In fact, it can be worse if I'm having a bad day or something, simply because there are more layers of my suckage to hear at the same time. Looping has challenged me as a musician in a way that solo and ensemble playing haven't. For me, making good music while looping seems more difficult, in a way, since I need to be more careful. ...but it's also easier and more enjoyable from another perspective, since I tend to respond to sounds and textures I'm hearing. When I play alone, I don't hear those, so my playing can often be stale. If I can create some interesting textures in the loops, which I can then respond to, the solo improvisations are more It's just the way the musical part of my mind works. I've never been good at remembering specific parts, playing the same thing consistantly every time a song is done. I tend to respond out of how I'm feeling at the moment, what else I'm hearing in the music, what color the lights are, and all that. I'm not a playactor, where the performance is the same every night. This also leaves me subject to a lot of stuff I don't have much control over, and my playing is therefore very inconsistant. On a good day, I like what I do, on a bad day...it's indescribably hideous. I'm sure this all relates back to a lack of solid musical education, a lack of personal discipline in practice, an incoherency in the way I think, and probably many other personal flaws. However, for whatever failings it demonstrates in me, the fact remains that this -is- how I am presently. Looping helps inspire me in a positive way, that's why I do it. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --MS_Mac_OE_3139586025_1481327_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looping because you suck?
great topic. I think if a player "sucks," then when he/ she uses = looping devices, they will probably suck on many layers of sound simultaneou= sly. And the sucking will become exponential.

HOWEVER, I also think that virtuosity is not necessarily musicality. One ca= n be very adept at an instrument and not have a sense for composition, perfo= rmance, etc.  

Speaking personally, looping devices enable me express my sense of composit= ion and style of performance in much greater depth than if I am limited to a= single layer of sound.

I will say this, I tend now to practice less and play/ live compose more, b= ut I think it's made me a much stronger musician overall.


dan


--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com

website redesign coming soon with more solo bass music




on 6/27/03 10:49 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:

Terry Blankenship <electricgypsys@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > David Torn's looping CDs are good to me because he
> > > can actually play the guitar great and is not
> > > using looping as a cover up for an inability to
> > > play well (as is sometimes the case).

To which I replied (Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com>):
> > Definitely in my case. Is that a problem?

Then Terry followed up with:

> No, Brian Eno created some wonderful music and he
> claimed to be a non- musician. I though the music he
> created was very musical.
>
> I just like David Torn's CDs because he plays guitar
> really well.

That's cool, thanks for the distinction. I was also thinking about that, an= d came
to the conclusion that skill does not necessarily equal musicality. I know = people
who have very little musical skill, or even technical knowledge, who produc= e
wonderful music. Now, the combination of a high degree of skill WITH outsta= nding
musicality can produce some amazing results (as you note about David Torn).=

Now to turn the discussion a little bit, I've been thinking about this conc= ept
for a day or two now, the idea that we would use loopers to cover up the fa= ct
that we are poor instrumentalists.

I'm wondering if that's really possible. When I loop, the results are not a= ny
better then when I play without looping. In fact, it can be worse if I'm ha= ving a
bad day or something, simply because there are more layers of my suckage to= hear
at the same time. Looping has challenged me as a musician in a way that sol= o and
ensemble playing haven't. For me, making good music while looping seems mor= e
difficult, in a way, since I need to be more careful.

...but it's also easier and more enjoyable from another perspective, since = I tend
to respond to sounds and textures I'm hearing. When I play alone, I don't h= ear
those, so my playing can often be stale. If I can create some interesting textures in the loops, which I can then respond to, the solo improvisations= are
more

It's just the way the musical part of my mind works. I've never been good a= t
remembering specific parts, playing the same thing consistantly every time = a song
is done. I tend to respond out of how I'm feeling at the moment, what else = I'm
hearing in the music, what color the lights are, and all that. I'm not a playactor, where the performance is the same every night. This also leaves = me
subject to a lot of stuff I don't have much control over, and my playing is=
therefore very inconsistant. On a good day, I like what I do, on a bad day.= ..it's
indescribably hideous. I'm sure this all relates back to a lack of solid mu= sical
education, a lack of personal discipline in practice, an incoherency in the= way I
think, and probably many other personal flaws. However, for whatever failin= gs it
demonstrates in me, the fact remains that this -is- how I am presently. Loo= ping
helps inspire me in a positive way, that's why I do it.

Greg

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
http://sbc.yahoo.com


--MS_Mac_OE_3139586025_1481327_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 20:08:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S06CN25761; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:06:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:06:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628000611.92166.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:06:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04c101c33cf2$af5ee590$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > memory and ears at that point. Although, Gary Willis > says he would ~never~ play a fretless bass without > lines ... One point I recall reading in a lines-vs-no lines debate among bassists was that having the lines make it much easier to start on cue at a specific note, say in a recording situation. > After playing violin as a kid, I figured if little > kids aren't frightened by violins, I shouldn't Having put in some time on viola, I found that the way the neck increases in width in certain places as you go up in pitch make it much easier for your muscle memory to "remember" where the notes are. Viola is taught like violin, with the concept of "positions" which makes learning note locations easier. The position where your thumb goes against the neck joint is actually easier for your fingers to locate pitches than "2nd position", if that makes any sense. That's why some people who order electric uprights want more than one thumb stop behind the higher part of the neck. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 20:16:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S0FEa26588; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:15:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:15:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628001513.34143.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01ad01c33cf9$0b2b0d80$e0154ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Steve Lawson wrote: > > The most amazing fretless musician I've ever seen > from an intonation point > of view is Ned Evett - a fretless guitarist from I bought Fernandes fretless guitar from his fretlessguitar.com website. The Sustainer circuit works great as a solution to the problem of lack of natural sustain on the upper portions of the neck. I still have it - in fact it's in the shop right now having a GK2 pickup and .011 Elixir coated strings (Ned recommends theses because the coating reduces the wear on the fretboard) put on. The only complaint I've had is that the high E string sounded much weaker than the other strings with the Sustainer, which why I'm having that problem addressed by replacing the original .009s with the heavier strings. I did inquire about the glass fingerboard mod option that fretlessguitar.com was to offer, but their reply was they found glass to chip too easily to offer as an option on a mass-produced guitar. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 20:20:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S0ICe26821; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.c2d88f0.2c2e38bc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:18:04 EDT Subject: Re: Ovious To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e2.c2d88f0.2c2e38bc_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e2.c2d88f0.2c2e38bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's better than odious... In a message dated 6/27/03 4:13:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: > oops...there was a rather "obvious" typo there.....although it kinda works > both ways ("obvious" and "ovious")....a rather unintentional bit of semantic > > playfulness........... > > Max > > > > > >Always wanting to learn a new swell word, I searched the web for this > >one--lots of citations . . . > >Then went to dictionary.com and decided Max meant obvious . . . or did he . > >. . > >Bivious means headed in two directions so maybe ovious means headed in a > >loop . . . > >Maybe this can be the new name for "our" music . . . > >Just shoot me, > >Gary > > > --part1_1e2.c2d88f0.2c2e38bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's better than odious...


In a message dated 6/27/03 4:13:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ekstasis1@hotma= il.com writes:

oops...there was a rather "obvi= ous" typo there.....although it kinda works
both ways ("obvious" and "ovious")....a rather unintentional bit of semantic=
playfulness...........

Max


>
>Always wanting to learn a new swell word, I searched the web for this >one--lots of citations . . .
>Then went to dictionary.com and decided Max meant obvious . . . or did h= e .
>. .
>Bivious means headed in two directions so maybe ovious means headed in a=
>loop . . .
>Maybe this can be the new name for "our" music . . .
>Just shoot me,
>Gary
>


 --part1_1e2.c2d88f0.2c2e38bc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 20:20:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S0I5S26785; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:18:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:18:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628001803.8460.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02b501c33cf5$4eae3680$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I may be wrong about this but I think I used to have an Eberhard Weber lp that had the members of the Police as his band. Possibly before they evenbecame The Police. I'm trying to find it. I'm sure I didn't get rid of it. Terry --- David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > I notice he does use microtones though, sounding a > low E > > with a high note between G and G# was once a > trademark > > Eberhard sound. > > Have an example? I have a gig on Sat. and a rehersal > on Sun., > so I don't have time to listen to all the EW cds in > my collection. > > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 20:36:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S0YrE27930; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:34:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:34:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:38:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Looping because you suck? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: James Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i was looping before i could play left hand/pedal bass. the progression went like this: phase one: sequencing and not playing phase two: looping, playing, and barely sequencing except for rhythm tracks phase three: selling the EDPs, buying an Hammond/Leslie rig, and playing for two years phase four: getting an RDS for texture looping during soul jazz gigs phase five: mothballing the Hammond to pursue the Berlin School (playing and sequencing, no looping) phase six: getting a repeater to bring the texture looping back into my music phase seven: all of the above so i wasn't looping to overcome a performance deficiency, but i did have a performance deficiency. after i got the Hammond i spent 6 hours a day practicing until i could play bass and solo/comp at the same time. i'm not sure what this had to do with the original thread, it seemed relevant though. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 20:45:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S0WKX27752; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:32:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:32:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c33d0c$c6ed7ae0$520cfc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030628000611.92166.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation, uh, and looping... Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:32:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "... but I don't think fret lines have any effect on Gary's or Jaco's intonation when playing their blazing riffs or when playing cross string runs ... it's just muscle memory and ears at that point" -- doug @ jump/cut We all know that blazing fast runs are when intonation matters the least. Stuff that goes by faster is harder to hear the flaws in. Intonation, tone, even note choice at a certain velocity -- it can all just go out the window! No wonder I play so busy... "After playing violin as a kid, I figured if little kids aren't frightened by violins, I shouldn't be afraid of a fretless bass with no lines as an adult ... there's much more room for error on a bass, even in the upper registers." -- doug @ jump/cut Kids are not afraid to play the violin shittily just like they're not afraid to pick their noses in public. They just don't know yet that it's "bad." Hahaha. > One point I recall reading in a lines-vs-no lines > debate among bassists was that having the lines make > it much easier to start on cue at a specific note, say > in a recording situation. That's what I'm talking about. I hate it when you get an eight bar break and then you're supposed to come in doubling some melody in the high register. FUCK. -J ..ooO(Really, I swear this whole thread has *something* to do with looping... Sorry, you fretted folks.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 20:50:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S0n1L28854; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:49:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:49:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628004900.98357.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030627184121.28660.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1x_izC.A.tCH.9XO_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seriously doubt that David Torn would be playing in bands with people like Bill Bruford and Tony Levin, or Terry Bozzio and Mike Karn if he couldn't play the guitar well, or if he lacked self confidence in his own ability to keep up with them. I bought the videos because I liked his playing on Cloud About Mercury. Not everyone likes all of his work. I've seen people on his own list slam Splattercell. He didn't care. Most good musicians don't care at all what people who criticise their work think of them. It usually says more about the crtitic than the musician. They create and play their music for the few (or many) people who get what they are doing and like it. To quote a great line King Crimson song: (I think the quote was from a shrink to a musician who was letting critics get to him.) "You can't please every one it's a natural fact, I recommend a fifth of Jack Daniels and a bottle of prozac." Terry --- Squid Loop wrote: > > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > >It's funny; Terry states that the reason he > >likes dt is because he's such a good guitarist. > >Now the only person I've ever heard who has > >said they *don't necessarily consider dt all > >that great of a guitarist is dt himself > > I was never impressed with Torn's playing until > I saw his Painting videos - He really shows his > talent there but I find a lot of what he does > with like B.L.U.E not very impressive when you > look at the straight guitar work. And I hate his > wah sound =) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 20:58:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S0uts29336; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:56:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:56:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628005654.8065.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030627183122.39635.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very well put. Musicians who are also composers usually care more about their compositions and the overall sound and feeling of a recording than the techniques they used or the technical virtousity that went into it. He is adventurous and does go out on a limb with his loops sometimes, and usually pulls it off. All the ery best! Terry --- Tim Nelson wrote: > --- mark wrote: > > I cut my looping teeth on a JamMan which had no > >undo, and now that I've gone Repeater, I must admit > I > >don't use it too much. I'm not perfect, I > > just forget I have it. > > It's funny; Terry states that the reason he likes dt > is because he's such a good guitarist. Now the only > person I've ever heard who has said they *don't* > necessarily consider dt all that great of a > guitarist > is dt himself (as an 'aw shucks' in the context of > seeing his role in things more as a > texturalist/composer/overall visionary than a > conventional instrumentalist), and *I'm* certainly > not > about to criticize the man's playing. > > However, there is something about Torn's playing > that > appeals to me even more than his chops, and that's > his > adventurousness, even when it means a 'mistake' > happens. He is utterly unafraid of going out on > musical limbs, even when they break once in a while. > When watching some players hit a 'bum' note and then > grimace, scowl, wince or otherwise express dismay, > I'm > reminded of the way dt (on a few videotaped > performances I've seen) in such a situation often > looks like the offending note is a source of mild > amusement, like, 'Ooh, where'd that stinky one come > from?'. > > But THEN, rather than stomping on UNDO, he'll often > work the glitch into the fabric of the improv, so > after a few repetitions he's built up some > surroundings for it that make it sound like he meant > to do it all along. THAT to me is essential live > looping, thinking on one's feet and working with > what > happens. > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 21:00:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S100b29988; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:00:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:00:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628005959.82506.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <22FB5993-A8C8-11D7-8472-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, Why do you think Phil Keaggy would prefer a Jam Man over an echoplex? Does it do things you can't do on an echoplex, or was he just morte use to the jam man? Terry --- mark wrote: > On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Clayton Gary > Lehmann wrote: > > Greg replied: > > I've been thinking about this concept for a day or > two now, the idea > > that we would use loopers to cover up the fact > that we are poor > > instrumentalists. > > If anything it's the exact opposite. Unless you're > equipped with a > looper with an "undo" function, you're sure to hear > that mistake over > and over, where as in a live performance it usually > looms bigger in > your mind than your audience, as it's totally > transient. I cut my > looping teeth on a JamMan which had no undo, and now > that I've gone > Repeater, I must admit I don't use it too much. I'm > not perfect, I > just forget I have it. > > Mark Sottilaro > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 21:17:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S1H0231277; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:17:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:16:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030628004900.98357.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <345B2400-A906-11D7-8472-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure if I made this clear, but I'm a bit David Torn fan, I just don't like some of his more brittle guitar tones. I actually really liked the B.L.U.E album. Mark On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 05:49 PM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > I seriously doubt that David Torn would be playing in > bands with people like Bill Bruford and Tony Levin, or > Terry Bozzio and Mike Karn if he couldn't play the > guitar well, or if he lacked self confidence in his > own ability to keep up with them. > > I bought the videos because I liked his playing on > Cloud About Mercury. > > Not everyone likes all of his work. I've seen people > on his own list slam Splattercell. He didn't care. > Most good musicians don't care at all what people who > criticise their work think of them. It usually says > more about the crtitic than the musician. They create > and play their music for the few (or many) people who > get what they are doing and like it. > > To quote a great line King Crimson song: > (I think the quote was from a shrink to a musician who > was letting critics get to him.) > > "You can't please every one it's a natural fact, I > recommend a fifth of Jack Daniels and a bottle of > prozac." > > Terry > > --- Squid Loop wrote: >> >> --- Tim Nelson wrote: >>> It's funny; Terry states that the reason he >>> likes dt is because he's such a good guitarist. > >> Now the only person I've ever heard who has >>> said they *don't necessarily consider dt all >>> that great of a guitarist is dt himself >> >> I was never impressed with Torn's playing until > I > saw his Painting videos - He really shows his > talent > there but I find a lot of what he does >> with like B.L.U.E not very impressive when you >> look at the straight guitar work. And I hate his > > wah sound =) >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >> http://sbc.yahoo.com >> > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 21:19:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S1EYm31146; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:14:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:14:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:14:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030628005959.82506.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ?! Uh, I never said that Phil Keaggy would perfer a JamMan over an echoplex. (I don't even know him or his music) However, I can speculate that he liked the very simple elegant interface the JamMan uses. The reason I liked it is because all I had to do is tap once to start my loop, and then it would count a preset amount of beats (clocked to MIDI) and then go out of record. Instant loop synced to a MIDI clock. All new loops would also match up and you could toggle between them like an EDP. I know you can kind of do that using quantize functions on the EDP, but I've tried it and it's not the same. However, the fidelity of the EDP is way better than the JamMan and if money was no object, dual EDPs would be the way to go. I've kind of grown hooked to the way the Repeater can chase a clock that changes. The JamMan and EDP can't sync to a clock that changes tempo. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 05:59 PM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Why do you think Phil Keaggy would prefer a Jam Man > over an echoplex? Does it do things you can't do on an > echoplex, or was he just morte use to the jam man? > > Terry > > --- mark wrote: >> On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Clayton Gary >> Lehmann wrote: >>> Greg replied: >>> I've been thinking about this concept for a day or >> two now, the idea >>> that we would use loopers to cover up the fact >> that we are poor >>> instrumentalists. >> >> If anything it's the exact opposite. Unless you're >> equipped with a >> looper with an "undo" function, you're sure to hear >> that mistake over >> and over, where as in a live performance it usually >> looms bigger in >> your mind than your audience, as it's totally >> transient. I cut my >> looping teeth on a JamMan which had no undo, and now >> that I've gone >> Repeater, I must admit I don't use it too much. I'm >> not perfect, I >> just forget I have it. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 22:54:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S2rck04504; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628025337.88457.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <345B2400-A906-11D7-8472-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't heard the B.L.U.E. CD. Who plays on that CD with him? Is it one of his jazz fusion CDs? I've heard that one was good also. Terry --- mark wrote: > I'm not sure if I made this clear, but I'm a bit > David Torn fan, I just > don't like some of his more brittle guitar tones. I > actually really > liked the B.L.U.E album. > > Mark > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 23:45:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S3hQR07838; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:43:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:43:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EFD0EDB.6080007@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:43:23 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Reply-To: mmccabe@finleysound.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping because you suck? References: <20030627144954.24650.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg House wrote: > Now to turn the discussion a little bit, I've been thinking about this concept > for a day or two now, the idea that we would use loopers to cover up the fact > that we are poor instrumentalists. I seem to remember the same argument being made about the Edge's heavy use of echo pedals when U2 first hit the scene. I simply view looping as a tool for helping to achieve the sounds in my head. Matt -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 23:49:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S3miR08069; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:48:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:48:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... References: <20030628001513.34143.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:48:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20030628001513.34143.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: <-kvNGD.A.99B.cAR_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:15:13 -0700 (PDT), Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I did inquire about the glass fingerboard mod option > that fretlessguitar.com was to offer, but their reply > was they found glass to chip too easily to offer as an > option on a mass-produced guitar. Vigier makes a fretless guitar with a gold-colored metal fingerboard. Sure looks cool. http://www.vigierguitars.com/gcatalog/GFCVE6F.HTM -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 27 23:57:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S3upr08500; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:56:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:56:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: B.L.U.E. (was RE: Suck because you're Looping ?) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:52:45 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c33d28$bc622280$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030628025337.88457.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.162.211.5] at Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:56:45 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very fun to see live. Bruford Levin Upper Extremities. Chris Botti (trumpet, whoa), Bill Bruford (I mean, really), Tony Levin (stick, electric upright, bass & stuff), David Torn (la loop guitar & stuff, electric oud = nummy): http://www.papabear.com/blue.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Blankenship [mailto:electricgypsys@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:54 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? > > > I haven't heard the B.L.U.E. CD. Who plays on that CD > with him? Is it one of his jazz fusion CDs? I've heard > that one was good also. > > Terry > > --- mark wrote: > > I'm not sure if I made this clear, but I'm a bit > > David Torn fan, I just > > don't like some of his more brittle guitar tones. I > > actually really > > liked the B.L.U.E album. > > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 00:13:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S4CLG09738; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:12:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:12:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <77.1437bda1.2c2e6f9d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:12:13 EDT Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_77.1437bda1.2c2e6f9d_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_77.1437bda1.2c2e6f9d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/27/03 5:49:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, electricgypsys@yahoo.com writes: > They create > and play their music for the few (or many) people who > get what they are doing and like it. > I create my music first and foremost for myself. If I'm not completely pleased with what I'm doing, that feeling of un-ease will be communicated to the listener at some level, conscious or unconscious. Tim --part1_77.1437bda1.2c2e6f9d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/27/03 5:49:33 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, electricgypsys@yahoo.com writes:

They create
and play their music for the few (or many) people who
get what they are doing and like it.


I create my music first and foremost for myself. If I'm not completely pleas= ed with what I'm doing, that feeling of un-ease will be communicated to the=20= listener at some level, conscious or unconscious.

Tim --part1_77.1437bda1.2c2e6f9d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 00:25:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S4O7g10508; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:24:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:24:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628042406.99631.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <77.1437bda1.2c2e6f9d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hear you. It goes without saying that most musicians create music for themselves first. Terry --- Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/27/03 5:49:33 PM Pacific > Daylight Time, > > I create my music first and foremost for myself. If > I'm not completely > pleased with what I'm doing, that feeling of un-ease > will be communicated to the > listener at some level, conscious or unconscious. > > Tim > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 03:01:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S6wvr21800; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 02:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 02:58:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030628010334.00a3edb0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:03:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Looping because you suck? In-Reply-To: References: <20030627144954.24650.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol! Maybe looping just MAKES people suck! lollollol! Smiles, Cara At 07:13 PM 6/27/03 -0400, you wrote: > >"" then when he/ she uses looping devices, they will probably suck on many >layers of sound simultaneously. And the sucking will become exponential. > > > > Speaking personally, looping devices enable me express my sense of >composition and style of performance in much greater depth than if I am >limited to a single layer of sound. > > I will say this, I tend now to practice less and play/ live compose more, >but I think it's made me a much stronger musician overall. > > > dan > > > -- > ghost 7/ Oranje > http://envelopeproductions.com > d.ans@rcn.com > > website redesign coming soon with more solo bass music > > > > > on 6/27/03 10:49 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > >><> wrote: >>>>> David Torn's looping CDs are good to me because he >>>>> can actually play the guitar great and is not >>>>> using looping as a cover up for an inability to >>>>> play well (as is sometimes the case). >> >><>): >>>> Definitely in my case. Is that a problem? >> >> Then Terry followed up with: >> >>> No, Brian Eno created some wonderful music and he >>> claimed to be a non- musician. I though the music he >>> created was very musical. >>> >>> I just like David Torn's CDs because he plays guitar >>> really well. >> >> That's cool, thanks for the distinction. I was also thinking about that, >>and came >> to the conclusion that skill does not necessarily equal musicality. I >>know people >> who have very little musical skill, or even technical knowledge, who produce >> wonderful music. Now, the combination of a high degree of skill WITH >>outstanding >> musicality can produce some amazing results (as you note about David Torn). >> >> Now to turn the discussion a little bit, I've been thinking about this >>concept >> for a day or two now, the idea that we would use loopers to cover up the >>fact >> that we are poor instrumentalists. >> >> I'm wondering if that's really possible. When I loop, the results are >>not any >> better then when I play without looping. In fact, it can be worse if I'm >>having a >> bad day or something, simply because there are more layers of my suckage >>to hear >> at the same time. Looping has challenged me as a musician in a way that >>solo and >> ensemble playing haven't. For me, making good music while looping seems more >> difficult, in a way, since I need to be more careful. >> >> ...but it's also easier and more enjoyable from another perspective, >>since I tend >> to respond to sounds and textures I'm hearing. When I play alone, I >>don't hear >> those, so my playing can often be stale. If I can create some interesting >> textures in the loops, which I can then respond to, the solo >>improvisations are >> more >> >> It's just the way the musical part of my mind works. I've never been good at >> remembering specific parts, playing the same thing consistantly every >>time a song >> is done. I tend to respond out of how I'm feeling at the moment, what >>else I'm >> hearing in the music, what color the lights are, and all that. I'm not a >> playactor, where the performance is the same every night. This also >>leaves me >> subject to a lot of stuff I don't have much control over, and my playing is >> therefore very inconsistant. On a good day, I like what I do, on a bad >>day...it's >> indescribably hideous. I'm sure this all relates back to a lack of solid >>musical >> education, a lack of personal discipline in practice, an incoherency in >>the way I >> think, and probably many other personal flaws. However, for whatever >>failings it >> demonstrates in me, the fact remains that this -is- how I am presently. >>Looping >> helps inspire me in a positive way, that's why I do it. >> >> Greg >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >> http://sbc.yahoo.com >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 03:17:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S7Es322612; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:14:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:14:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030628012131.0084b320@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:21:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? In-Reply-To: References: <20030628005959.82506.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, the Jam Man can. I've done it. What it does, is to arbitrarily start the loop from it's beginning, after it's played through, to fill the new space when the clock is slowed, and then restart again at the proper pulse, or do the opposite, and cut off the end of the loop and restart to keep in sync when the clock is sped up. So you end up with loops of differing lengths intersperced with eachother. It's actually very cool. Smiles, Cara At 06:14 PM 6/27/03 -0700, you wrote: >?! Uh, I never said that Phil Keaggy would perfer a JamMan over an >echoplex. (I don't even know him or his music) However, I can >speculate that he liked the very simple elegant interface the JamMan >uses. The reason I liked it is because all I had to do is tap once to >start my loop, and then it would count a preset amount of beats >(clocked to MIDI) and then go out of record. Instant loop synced to a >MIDI clock. All new loops would also match up and you could toggle >between them like an EDP. I know you can kind of do that using >quantize functions on the EDP, but I've tried it and it's not the same. > >However, the fidelity of the EDP is way better than the JamMan and if >money was no object, dual EDPs would be the way to go. > >I've kind of grown hooked to the way the Repeater can chase a clock >that changes. The JamMan and EDP can't sync to a clock that changes >tempo. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 05:59 PM, Terry Blankenship wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> Why do you think Phil Keaggy would prefer a Jam Man >> over an echoplex? Does it do things you can't do on an >> echoplex, or was he just morte use to the jam man? >> >> Terry >> >> --- mark wrote: >>> On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Clayton Gary >>> Lehmann wrote: >>>> Greg replied: >>>> I've been thinking about this concept for a day or >>> two now, the idea >>>> that we would use loopers to cover up the fact >>> that we are poor >>>> instrumentalists. >>> >>> If anything it's the exact opposite. Unless you're >>> equipped with a >>> looper with an "undo" function, you're sure to hear >>> that mistake over >>> and over, where as in a live performance it usually >>> looms bigger in >>> your mind than your audience, as it's totally >>> transient. I cut my >>> looping teeth on a JamMan which had no undo, and now >>> that I've gone >>> Repeater, I must admit I don't use it too much. I'm >>> not perfect, I >>> just forget I have it. >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >> http://sbc.yahoo.com >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 03:30:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S7TCe23381; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:29:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:29:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030628013552.00793a90@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:35:52 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: TTFN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, just sending a lil' note to say bye bye. Please feel free to say hi privately, I'd love to keep in touch, and visit my website, if you'd like. Talk with you soon, have a great weekend!... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 05:02:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S914H27555; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 05:01:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 05:01:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b401c33d53$c703c9c0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030627144954.24650.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20030628010334.00a3edb0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Looping because you suck? Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:00:26 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <3Hrrw.A.buG.QlV_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hah, perhaps given the old image of the rock star persona, that's just wishful thinking in the male contingient here! :) > lol! Maybe looping just MAKES people suck! lollollol! > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 07:13 PM 6/27/03 -0400, you wrote: > > > >"" then when he/ she uses looping devices, they will probably suck on many > >layers of sound simultaneously. And the sucking will become exponential. > > > > > > > > Speaking personally, looping devices enable me express my sense of > >composition and style of performance in much greater depth than if I am > >limited to a single layer of sound. > > > > I will say this, I tend now to practice less and play/ live compose more, > >but I think it's made me a much stronger musician overall. > > > > > > dan > > > > > > -- > > ghost 7/ Oranje > > http://envelopeproductions.com > > d.ans@rcn.com > > > > website redesign coming soon with more solo bass music > > > > > > > > > > on 6/27/03 10:49 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > >><> wrote: > >>>>> David Torn's looping CDs are good to me because he > >>>>> can actually play the guitar great and is not > >>>>> using looping as a cover up for an inability to > >>>>> play well (as is sometimes the case). > >> > >><>): > >>>> Definitely in my case. Is that a problem? > >> > >> Then Terry followed up with: > >> > >>> No, Brian Eno created some wonderful music and he > >>> claimed to be a non- musician. I though the music he > >>> created was very musical. > >>> > >>> I just like David Torn's CDs because he plays guitar > >>> really well. > >> > >> That's cool, thanks for the distinction. I was also thinking about that, > >>and came > >> to the conclusion that skill does not necessarily equal musicality. I > >>know people > >> who have very little musical skill, or even technical knowledge, who > produce > >> wonderful music. Now, the combination of a high degree of skill WITH > >>outstanding > >> musicality can produce some amazing results (as you note about David Torn). > >> > >> Now to turn the discussion a little bit, I've been thinking about this > >>concept > >> for a day or two now, the idea that we would use loopers to cover up the > >>fact > >> that we are poor instrumentalists. > >> > >> I'm wondering if that's really possible. When I loop, the results are > >>not any > >> better then when I play without looping. In fact, it can be worse if I'm > >>having a > >> bad day or something, simply because there are more layers of my suckage > >>to hear > >> at the same time. Looping has challenged me as a musician in a way that > >>solo and > >> ensemble playing haven't. For me, making good music while looping seems > more > >> difficult, in a way, since I need to be more careful. > >> > >> ...but it's also easier and more enjoyable from another perspective, > >>since I tend > >> to respond to sounds and textures I'm hearing. When I play alone, I > >>don't hear > >> those, so my playing can often be stale. If I can create some interesting > >> textures in the loops, which I can then respond to, the solo > >>improvisations are > >> more > >> > >> It's just the way the musical part of my mind works. I've never been > good at > >> remembering specific parts, playing the same thing consistantly every > >>time a song > >> is done. I tend to respond out of how I'm feeling at the moment, what > >>else I'm > >> hearing in the music, what color the lights are, and all that. I'm not a > >> playactor, where the performance is the same every night. This also > >>leaves me > >> subject to a lot of stuff I don't have much control over, and my playing is > >> therefore very inconsistant. On a good day, I like what I do, on a bad > >>day...it's > >> indescribably hideous. I'm sure this all relates back to a lack of solid > >>musical > >> education, a lack of personal discipline in practice, an incoherency in > >>the way I > >> think, and probably many other personal flaws. However, for whatever > >>failings it > >> demonstrates in me, the fact remains that this -is- how I am presently. > >>Looping > >> helps inspire me in a positive way, that's why I do it. > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> __________________________________ > >> Do you Yahoo!? > >> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > >> http://sbc.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 05:25:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5S9O6Q28519; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 05:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 05:24:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <116.2577c3cd.2c2eb8ae@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 05:23:58 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com various comments on the thread Max wrote > difficult task, and it makes me appreciate and respect Mick Karn even > more....... huh? Mr. Karn's intonation has always been way off when visible on TV programs. I always cite him as an example of posing over pitching. David's question > > I notice he does use microtones though, sounding a low E > > with a high note between G and G# was once a trademark > > Eberhard sound. with that slow wide vibrato > > Have an example? I have a gig on Sat. and a rehersal on Sun., > so I don't have time to listen to all the EW cds in my collection. sorry David, I don't have any of his CDs, the example comes from hearing him live in the early 90's, and a housemate at the time had some LPs. possibly on Colours of Chloe. I've never seen/heard anyone be accurate on fretless bass without some kind of visual cue. Unlike the violin, the bass is not fixed in position against the body. Maybe sitting down in the same postion every time would help. A nice double tracking (=looping) effect is to play a note straight, and overdub with a small slide up to it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 07:54:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SBrFk02234; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628115308.71874.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 04:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01a601c33cf8$8b001420$e0154ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Steve Lawson wrote: > I'll use whatever I possibly can to get control over > my instrument, so playing a bass without lines is >totally not an option! :o) Most of my fretless instruments fall into three categories: 1) Instruments (not all of which are basses) converted from fretted ones; they have filled slots because there used to be frets there. (Jaco's J-Bass would be in this category.) 2) Instruments for which I've made the fingerboard myself; usually nothing but side markers on 'em. 3) Ethnic instruments; oud, cumbus, etc. Some have side dots, some don't... Like Mr. Beardsley, I find those side markers very useful, and yes, I look at my hands! BTW, my daughter Chloe (who turns 10 on Tuesday) got her name from an Eberhard Weber tune! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 08:00:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SBxDH02572; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628115907.92301.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 04:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02f401c33cfb$809df800$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've never met/heard him, but a friend of a friend of mine is a guy named Tim Donahue. He's reputed to be a pretty impressive fretless guitarist. Not sure if he loops though. He should. -t- --- David Beardsley wrote: > I know [Ned Evett]. We did a bit of hanging out at NAMM a > few years ago. > Idaho? I thought he lived in S.California. As I > remember, he sounds like Steve Vai on a fretless > guitar. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 08:03:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SC31c02812; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:03:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:03:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628120255.2834.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 05:02:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030628001803.8460.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have it in front of me, but that wasn't our Eberhard. It was (pardon the possible misspelling) one Herr Schoener. -t- --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > I may be wrong about this but I think I used to have > an Eberhard Weber lp that had the members of the > Police as his band. Possibly before they evenbecame > The Police. I'm trying to find it. I'm sure I didn't > get rid of it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 08:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SCRbA04738; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:27:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:27:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628122732.75724.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 05:27:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Suck because you're Looping ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030628004900.98357.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Terry Blankenship wrote: > I seriously doubt that David Torn would be playing > in bands with people like Bill Bruford and Tony >Levin, or Terry Bozzio and Mike Karn if he couldn't >play the guitar well, or if he lacked self confidence >in his own ability to keep up with them. Um, I'm not sure, but with that 'self-confidence' part I think you misunderstood my post, about 180 degrees worth. Nobody has said dt lacks confidence; what I was saying is that he is quite modest in describing his gittarabilities (to the point of self-deprecation sometimes), and has expressed the opinion (accurately, I think) that his particular skills encompass a bigger picture (ie. composition, use of extended equipment, etc.) than just the guitar. My main point, however, was that he is an EXTREMELY confident and competant looper who can and does take chances in live performances, and when something 'unexpected' happens in terms of a bum note or feedback mishap or the like, he will often incorporate it into the loop rather than undo-ing it. Like sumi brush painting, y'know? Speaking of Bruford and Karn (MICK Karn, btw) and varying degrees of 'conventional musicianship', there's an interesting story about how dt acted as a facilitator/mediator kinda guy in rehearsals for 'Cloud About Mercury'; Karn was playing a part slightly flat and was asked to play it 'higher'. He moved his hand toward the nut, which to him was 'higher'. Bruford got all pissy, complaining about Karn's perceived ignorance of theory. The point there is, as a bandleader, Torn recognises that some people who may not be able to articulate what they're doing through conventional music theory terminology can still play! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 09:32:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SDUqN08693; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:30:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:30:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628133046.34776.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping because you suck? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dan Soltzberg wrote: > I will say this, I tend now to practice less and > play/ live compose more, > but I think it's made me a much stronger musician > overall. That's a big part of Mike Nelson's marketing strategy with the Boomerang, the claim that using it "makes you play better" in part because hearing mistakes/sloppiness coming back atcha can make you more aware of 'em, and will focus your technique. I don't think there's an easy answer to this thread's question. There are just too many variables. For example, if an instrumentalist 'sucks' because of an inherent lack of musicality, laziness and/or ignorance, then no amount of gear is going to fix it, and you'll hear the multiple layers of suckage that Dan and others have mentioned. On the other hand, there's the Brian Eno paradigm by which someone with undeveloped conventional chops, but with an innate sense of musicality can use the available tools to create for themselves a unique and distinctive voice. Also, as I've mentioned before, using looping devices can sometimes allow a player to sound competent on an instrument other than their 'main' one; my chops on flute are downright awful, but when I layer long sustained notes, I can get some Mellotronish loops that sound pretty darned good in a warped sorta way. It depends on how you look at it; I can't really play the flute, but when the instrument is extended to include the processing and loops, I can get the sound I'm looking for. Am I looping the flute to cover up my lack of technique, or am I adapting the technique to include an 'extended instrument' where the controls are not limited to the embouchure and keys but include knobs and footswitches? Probably both... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 09:37:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SDaKA09030; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:36:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:36:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.19.179] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:36:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2003 13:36:05.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[3930A6A0:01C33D7A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Max wrote > > > difficult task, and it makes me appreciate and respect Mick Karn even > > more....... > >huh? Mr. Karn's intonation has always been way off when >visible on TV programs. I always cite him as an example of >posing over pitching. I am not sure what TV programs you can use for an example, but I have seen Karn perform several times, and each time his intonation was spot on. But, I was refering to his recorded tone which is produced, in part, by live double tracking of his very odd and angular lines. This, on a fretless instrument, is quite a daunting task. To bring a little looping content to the matter, Karn has always served as an excellent foil for that lil' uberlooper, David Torn......... Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 10:07:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SE60o11263; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:06:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:06:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EFD3153.68A9@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:10:28 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... References: <017b01c33cbd$042ab8a0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <015f01c33cda$c1996ae0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm actually fine with most of EW's intonation.I find it pleasingly expressive untill he grabs his bow.That sends me running. PEACE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 14:34:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SIXmI29009; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:32:10 -0400 Subject: Re: NYC trip From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030627180643.52281.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3139655530_1001521_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3139655530_1001521_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit the only thing I'll be contacting will be my bass. as for the dancers, probably the lubrication factor is just part of the whole trip. on 6/27/03 2:06 PM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: --- Dan Soltzberg wrote: >but am playing at a big contact improv dance thing >this weekend out in Western Mass. 'Contact' improv? It's like 102 degrees out right now; sounds, uh, sorta moist! :-) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --MS_Mac_OE_3139655530_1001521_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: NYC trip the only thing I'll be contacting will be my bass. as for the dancers, prob= ably the lubrication factor is just part of the whole trip.


on 6/27/03 2:06 PM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote:


--- Dan Soltzberg <d.ans@rcn.com> wrote:
>but am playing at a big contact improv dance thing
>this weekend out in Western Mass.

'Contact' improv? It's like 102 degrees out right now;
sounds, uh, sorta moist! :-)

-t-

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
http://sbc.yahoo.com


--MS_Mac_OE_3139655530_1001521_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 14:49:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SIl9930134; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:47:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:47:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628184707.13271.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5-TQV.A.tWH.tKe_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ernesto schnack wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:15:13 -0700 (PDT), Paolo > Valladolid > wrote: > > I did inquire about the glass fingerboard mod > option > > that fretlessguitar.com was to offer, but their > reply > > was they found glass to chip too easily to offer > as an > > option on a mass-produced guitar. > > Vigier makes a fretless guitar with a gold-colored > metal fingerboard. Sure > looks cool. Metal definitely works for fretless. A friend of mine has a metal fingerboard under the lowest 3 strings of one of his Chapman Sticks. Ned Evett simply prefers the tonal characteristic of glass to metal for his personal guitars. Like the difference between glass slides, brass slides, etc. I'm fine with my rosewood-fingerboard fretless - I haven't noticed much wear from the coated strings and sustain is not an issue with the Sustainer circuit. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 14:50:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SInr730502; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:49:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:49:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030628184951.3400.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Re: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030628120255.2834.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. I still can't find the lp I'm thinking of. I looked for it last night. All the very best! Terry -- Tim Nelson wrote: > I don't have it in front of me, but that wasn't our > Eberhard. It was (pardon the possible misspelling) > one > Herr Schoener. > > -t- > > --- Terry Blankenship > wrote: > > I may be wrong about this but I think I used to > have > > an Eberhard Weber lp that had the members of the > > Police as his band. Possibly before they > evenbecame > > The Police. I'm trying to find it. I'm sure I > didn't > > get rid of it. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 15:00:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SIxiZ31142; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:59:37 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ec01c33da7$6c0b0480$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030628001513.34143.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernesto schnack" > Vigier makes a fretless guitar with a gold-colored metal fingerboard. Sure > looks cool. > > http://www.vigierguitars.com/gcatalog/GFCVE6F.HTM I've played one those a couple of times. Very nice sarode vibe with the alloy fingerboard. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 16:43:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SKfBK05061; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c33db5$94a93d40$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <19c.16d34581.2c2e11f9@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:40:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > > I don't play upright. If I ever get one, I'll be taking it straight to a > > luthier and getting at least very obvious position dots on the board, if not > > getting the whole thing lined... I'll never buy an unlined fretless bass... > > It's official, Steve's intonation is spot on :-) > > andy butler IF ONLY! ;o) ...but I would say it's better than most, and I'll also categorically say that of the fretless players I've known, jammed with, and taught over the last however many years, the percentage of those with lines who had acceptable intonation was WAY higher than those without the lines. :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 28 19:17:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5SNFGr14783; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:15:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:15:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <167.22852694.2c2f7b7c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:15:08 EDT Subject: (no subject) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_167.22852694.2c2f7b7c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_167.22852694.2c2f7b7c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "The most inclusive description of the art is that, termite-like, it feels its way through walls of particularization, with no sign that the artist has any object in mind other than eating away the boundaries of his art, and turning these boundaries into conditions of the next accomplishment. =A0 =A0 "The best examples appear where the spotlight of culture is nowhere=20= in evidence, so that the craftsman can be ornery, wasteful, stubbornly self-involved, doing go-for-broke art and not caring what comes of it." --Manny Farber on "White Elephant Art vs. Termite Art," 1962 --part1_167.22852694.2c2f7b7c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "The most inclusive description of the art is that, te= rmite-like, it
feels its way through walls of particularization, with no sign that the
artist has any object in mind other than eating away the boundaries of his art, and turning these boundaries into conditions of the next
accomplishment.
=A0 =A0 "The best examples appear where the spotlight of culture is nowhere=20= in
evidence, so that the craftsman can be ornery, wasteful, stubbornly
self-involved, doing go-for-broke art and not caring what comes of it."
--Manny Farber on "White Elephant Art vs. Termite Art," 1962

 --part1_167.22852694.2c2f7b7c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 00:18:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5T4GB402351; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.2077c9ae.2c2fc200@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:16:00 EDT Subject: so they sit there and..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com watch as you put in a chord progression then add little bits and pieces to the loop and then do some improve over it then warp it up a bit.....and then they ask when its all over, "was all of that pre-recorded?".....YIKES.....i just logged over 6 hours over the past two nites of pretty much non-stop solo live looping (tm) at this little ART EVENT.....i had a ton-o-fun.....made some converts!.....got some really nice compliments.....its sort of weird how people seem reluctant to come up and talk to me, i guess i should be thankful, i dont translate well into speech.....about 40% of my playing was sans guitar, some spoken stuff "PLEASE BUY BUY BUY BUY MY ART" you get the idea! and a good bit with the air-synth.....i really got to tune in my whole set-up prior to playing so the sound was totally "under my power".....how relaxing that is!!!.....this was my first gig since i got that small rack to put my stuff in, what a great invention.....:) breakdown took about 15 mins. and i was out the door.....i used 2 mackie srm 450s a small fender "champ" and a small peavey amp.....the only way it could have been better was if i could have played a bit louder.....people came, heard live looping (tm) and liked it (most of the time!).....a blast.....i could go on and on but i won't.....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 01:08:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5T57ME05011; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c33dfc$eee5db00$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents dreamSTATE with Jim Field Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:11:44 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com * Loopage from 2 EDPs + 2 DL4s + Live THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 1st - dreamSTATE with Jim Field plus Redjet Media and General Chaos Visuals This Canada Day, the ambient underground taps into the molton core, deep under the Canadian shield, as The Ambient Ping presents electronic soundscape artists dreamSTATE with their special guest Jim Field (Rhea's Obsession, still coiled, spacenoiz) on guitar and laptop (Reaktor/Live). Deep, dark soundscapes will evolve into rhythmics from this world and elsewhere as the trio improvise two sets of ambience and mayhem in their first performance together. Likewise, Redjet Media and General Chaos Visuals will combine forces to illuminate the surreal ceremonies in digital and analogue abstractions. dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamSTATE.to Jim Field - http://www.geocities.com/russian_rheas/ Between Sets CD - "Labyrinth" by Steve Roach (2003) "Labyrinth" - disc 2 of ambient master Steve Roach's landmark 4 CD boxset of deep ambient driftworks will be featured before and between sets, as the Ping continues to feature this set on the 1st Tuesday of each month this summer. http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tues. July 8th - Söftware with Toastybird Visuals http://www.techno-jazz.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Sylken "PiNG" Following up on last year's brilliant "Illusions of Light", Sylken releases "PiNG", a stunning live presentation of the ever evolving musical collective taken from a pair of performances recorded at The Ambient Ping. Opening with "Here, then Gone", Sylken creates a deep and foreboding environment given a small hint of light by a lonely trumpet played masterfully by Wally Jericho, a frequent contributor to the project. Quiet synth lines pass by in the darkness, like comets travelling through space, burning brightly for only an instant, a faded memory the next. I'm not too sure who plays what on each track, but I'll comment here that both Sylken's Eric Hopper and frequent collaborator Steven Sauve of karmafarm have a masterful approach to creating beautiful and emotional music through their keyboards, coaxing notes and tones that others would be unable to create. Hearing the sonic bliss they're responsible for I'm oftentimes more inclined to think of the two of them as magicians more than musicians. "This Sonorous Apparition" follows in the same dark vein, sound bended & folded in ways that shouldn't be possible, and yet becomes all the more beautiful for it. Random notes, a little guitar perhaps? It's all good... "NGC 720" closes the disc, conjuring images of distant stars and nebulae swirling in the depths of space, a ballet of astronomy. Notes ebb and flow, grow and swell, rise and fall in a rapturous swirl, sweetly caressing the listener. Sensual. Three pieces of long form ambience, all with their own unique charms. "PiNG" by Sylken fully captures the magic of ambient performance and the beauty of space. Highly recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com - http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 03:29:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5T7St813378; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:28:54 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: I am the DJ, I am what I play. In-reply-to: <15a.2077c9ae.2c2fc200@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <56A96436-AA03-11D7-B92C-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too played an "art event" (Burningman fund raiser... it's still going on as I write this)... but with no "live looping." That's right. NONE. Our group's slot (Waterboy/Buckethead) only had 12 minutes to perform our little sketch and they asked me if I could provide some music for Maria, our vocalist, to have as backing. With not much setup or breakdown time I decided to forego the looped guitar deal and bring my Roland MC-307, AirSynth and AirEffects (in that order). It was a blast! I noticed not a difference at all in audience appreciation of what I was doing. No one gave shit if I was "live looping" or even playing an instrument. All they cared about was was the music good and the visuals were interesting. (the audience seemed to like it.) Anyway, my point? I think we speculate a lot about how the audience "understands" what we're doing. I think it's mostly wishful thinking. "Do they know I'm looping?" I ask: Do they care? My guess is, no. Now, don't get me wrong, I loop guitar and synth for myself and I'm not about to stop. But it does make me think differently about performances. I kind of felt a stigma about just being a button pusher. The MC-307's lack of velocity sensitivity in it's note pads was a bit frustrating, but since it's up on ebay right now, I guess I won't have to deal with it again. Hmmmm.... do I smell a E-mu XL-7 in my future? Maybe... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 08:54:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5TCrQL05257; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:53:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:53:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030629125320.30792.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 05:53:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: NYC trip To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL! Good luck! Shortly after I wrote that meteorological observation, I was at a local musical instrument reatiler when the skies opened and lightning bolts started hitting the parking lot, knocking out the traffic lights. I said to the group of knowledgeable salespeople clustered at the door watching the storm "Guess I probably shouldn't play my Theremin on the roof today." Out of the four salespeople, only one of them knew what a Theremin was... :-( -t- --- Dan Soltzberg wrote: > the only thing I'll be contacting will be my bass. > as for the dancers, > probably the lubrication factor is just part of the > whole trip. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 19:51:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5TNnvi11368; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:49:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:49:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EFF7E00.11FB0F0F@erols.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:02:09 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Digitech Vocal 300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anybody out there using the Digitech Vocal 300 for live vocal processing? I'd like to add some Howie Day like delay effects to my voice live. Does this unit have a tap tempo function to set delay and other effect times? Thanks in advance for any info. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 20:05:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U04YQ12215; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:04:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:04:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630000428.68515.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Digitech Vocal 300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EFF7E00.11FB0F0F@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker uses one; he posted about how much he likes his a month or two ago. -t- --- John Mazzarella wrote: > Is anybody out there using the Digitech Vocal 300 > for live vocal processing? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 20:06:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U05si12386; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:05:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:05:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030629144507.02bc64c0@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 02:06:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... In-Reply-To: <200306280701.h5S71Zp22052@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_49506366==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_49506366==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List; As an electric upright player who has always considered Eberhard to be my hero, i feel compelled to respond on the subject of his intonation. Though i never studied with him, i did receive advice from him during my formative years concerning what to practice and how. Eberhard (as most all upright players, myself included) studied the Simandl method. One of the principal emphases of the Simandl is on developing flawless intonation. Eberhard is not only a brilliant conceptualist but also a very skilled technician. At the same time, anyone can (and will) have a bad night. Given that his intonation is so impeccable, it may be hard at times for some of us to know what is and is not intentional on any given night of an Eberhard Weber performance. Concerning Eberhard's 'thumb position playing': given that Eberhard plays the "hi-five" (five string with a high 'C' string) he rarely plays high up on the fingerboard. Because he plays seated and his bass has no 'body' in the traditional sense, when he does play high he doesn't have to use his thumb. In other words, i've never known Eberhard to play in 'thumb position'. Then again, i haven't seen him play live in a number of years so maybe he's started using his thumb high up on the instrument. On the matter of lined verses unlined fretless: for myself it's all about muscles and the ears. The way the 'classically' oriented teachers taught the bass when i was coming up involved discouraging pupils from looking at the fingerboard and taught us to use a combination of muscle memory and our ears. As one teacher used to remind me, "...the music is on the page, not your fingerboard". Aditonally, unlike in pop music, intonation in many other musics becomes a musical device just like pitch, timbre or rhythm. Subtle pitch variations are a very effective means of expression. Playing a fretted instrument or a lined instrument often hinders a musicians ability to access these sophisticated techniques. Given the infatuation with equal temperament/pitch in 'mainstream music' this doesn't really matter at all. Thanks for letting me burn a little bandwidth. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_49506366==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" List;

As an electric upright player who has always considered Eberhard to be my hero, i feel compelled to respond on the subject of his intonation. Though i never studied with him, i did receive advice from him during my formative years concerning what to practice and how. Eberhard (as most all upright players, myself included) studied the Simandl method. One of the principal emphases of the Simandl is on developing flawless intonation. Eberhard is not only a brilliant conceptualist but also a very skilled technician. At the same time, anyone can (and will) have a bad night. Given that his intonation is so impeccable, it may be hard at times for some of us to know what is and is not intentional on any given night of an Eberhard Weber performance.

Concerning Eberhard's 'thumb position playing': given that Eberhard plays the "hi-five" (five string with a high 'C' string) he rarely plays high up on the fingerboard. Because he plays seated and his bass has no 'body' in the traditional sense, when he does play high he doesn't have to use his thumb. In other words, i've never known Eberhard to play in 'thumb position'. Then again, i haven't seen him play live in a number of years so maybe he's started using his thumb high up on the instrument.

On the matter of lined verses unlined fretless: for myself it's all about muscles and the ears. The way the 'classically' oriented teachers taught the bass when i was coming up involved discouraging pupils from looking at the fingerboard and taught us to use a combination of muscle memory and our ears. As one teacher used to remind me, "...the music is on the page, not your fingerboard". Aditonally, unlike in pop music, intonation in many other musics becomes a musical device just like pitch, timbre or rhythm. Subtle pitch variations are a very effective means of expression. Playing a fretted instrument or a lined instrument often hinders a musicians ability to access these sophisticated techniques. Given the infatuation with equal temperament/pitch in 'mainstream music' this doesn't really matter at all.

Thanks for letting me burn a little bandwidth.

JPW








----------------------------------------------------------------
Glass Thought Communications
"Records for people to listen to at home."
+46 708 940893
http://mp3.com/jairrohm
 --=====================_49506366==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 20:28:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U0O8B13506; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:24:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630002403.61216.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:24:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030629144507.02bc64c0@pop.chello.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jair-Rohm wrote: >Playing a fretted instrument or a lined instrument >often hinders a musicians ability > to access these sophisticated techniques. I understand your point where it applies to fretted instruments, but how would lines hinder one from playing between them, especially if one is not looking at them? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 23:16:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U3Ej424285; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:14:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:14:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030629200702.0209fde8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <00ae01c33cc3$cbe0c320$6501a8c0@ldroby> References: <20030626033903.98930.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626125912.03333e78@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:46 AM 6/27/2003, LeonD wrote: >Anyways, if I had to recommend one CD, it would be the live trio one. I'm >not sure how much is looped but it amazes me how much quality sound, three >guys can make. It's a CD where every time you play it, it puts a smile on >your face. Ok great! Let's use this one or the "Buster Keaton" one for the essential listening page at Looper's Delight. Or use both. Those seem to be the two you guys have most often suggested for a good example of his looping. I'm ill-equipped to know which is a better since I haven't listened to either yet. I don't really care which one it is at this point, I just want to get something up there! Can I get one of you to write up a review for the page, focusing on the looping aspect of it? I won't let this thread die until somebody does a review. Thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 23:35:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U3Y8e26431; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:34:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:34:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030629201550.02103178@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:34:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:45 AM 6/27/2003, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 10:06 PM -0700 6/26/03, Kim Flint wrote: >>you mentioned a couple of other albums featuring Paul's looping in the >>early 80's - Way of How and Are/Are. But I don't see them on Paul's >>discography. Are these still available anywhere? and if you are familiar >>with all of these, do you think those two are a better representation of >>his looping style of the time, or would "This Same Temple" be a better choice? > >I don't know if either of these was ever released as an "album" though >there was a cassette version of "The Way of How." You'd probably have to >approach Paul directly to get a copy. For the essential listening page, I think we should use something that people can actually get relatively easily. So "This Same Temple" seems like a good choice for that. Since I guess you actually have it, can I get you to write up a little review for the page? >As to what is "a better representation of his looping style of the time" >I'd say that you'd really want to listen to both the material on "This >Same Temple" and "The Way of How." It's clearly the same composer working >with the same technology, but with different source material in the >ensemble work. Note that Paul was a member of George Coates Performance >Works for three productions, the third of which did not use the loop >system. He then formed the Paul Dresher Ensemble with drummer Gene Reffkin >and writer-performer Rinde Eckert in 1985. The loop system was essential >to their first production "Slow Fire" and is another representative recording. wow, I actually have "Slow Fire". I bought it used years ago and forgot about it. (it's even autographed!) I went and listened to it again just now. It's really something how intricate the looping is on this. Paul was way, way beyond the sound texture thing at that point. He smoothly creates multiple parts with a lot of interlocking harmonic and rhythmic elements, and mixes the different loops on the fly for different song sections. He even grabs bits of Rinde Eckert's vocals into the loops. The music is composed, and it's cool to hear how precise it all comes out. It would be easy to think it was pre recorded samples being triggered by a sequencer, but it if you listen you can tell it's all live. I think that really gives it a better energy than pre sampled stuff ever has. The cd was actually recorded in 1992, so maybe they updated some aspects of it between 1985 and then. If they were doing it exactly like that in 1985, that would be really amazing. "Slow Fire" would be good to include along with "This Same Temple" for the essential listening. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 23:44:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U3gta27353; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:42:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:42:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030629203902.04088518@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:43:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy -> essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626170028.0217ad90@loopers-delight.com> References: <013901c33c2b$41466aa0$e0154ed5@bigboy> <006801c33c1a$a0d53750$520cfc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9H4ev.A.QrG._G7_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:30 PM 6/26/2003, Kim Flint wrote: >At 02:38 PM 6/26/2003, Steve Lawson wrote: >>Phil Keaggy (Acoustic Sketches is fantastic - how does he get so much out of >>an unmodded JamMan????) > >One of the most common names I hear in relation to looping and influence >is Phil Keaggy. I get mails all the time from Phil Keaggy fans asking me >why he isn't mentioned somewhere on the Looper's Delight site, > I did a google search and came up with some interviews where he talks > about using the jamman a lot on "Acoustic Sketches" from 1998, and since > that seems to be a highly regarded album it may be a great choice. Any > Phil Keaggy fans out there who can chime in? I'm still waiting for somebody to do a review of this for the essential listening page! Anybody want to do it? I'm going to keep on replying to these threads until I get something! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 29 23:44:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U3i7q27486; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:44:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EFFB0E5.51E00A91@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:39:16 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030629201550.02103178@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > wow, I actually have "Slow Fire". I bought it used years ago and forgot > about it. (it's even autographed!) I went and listened to it again just > now. It's really something how intricate the looping is on this. Paul was > way, way beyond the sound texture thing at that point. I saw "Slow Fire" performed live back in 1988 (over half my lifetime ago...!) and it was a very, very powerful thing. This was around the time I started getting into electronic music (and well before I played guitar) and I was really taken with the way electronics were being used in an obvious, engaging, MUSICAL way, that was woven into the texture of the performance itself. I didn't know anything about the concept of "looping" at the time, but I knew it was really great music, and I could tell (even in my technologically uninformed state) that Paul was using his gear in a fabulously dynamic manner. And there's nothing ambient about it... Two thumbs up for 'Slow Fire'. Very, very highly recommended. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004YWU3/starkland/002-3859613-1124848 --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 00:08:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U47si29932; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:07:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:07:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030629201550.02103178@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030629201550.02103178@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:07:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Paul Dresher / Was Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:34 PM -0700 6/29/03, Kim Flint wrote: >For the essential listening page, I think we should use something >that people can actually get relatively easily. So "This Same >Temple" seems like a good choice for that. Since I guess you >actually have it, can I get you to write up a little review for the >page? If I have anything it would be an early cassette with just "This Same Temple" and "Liquid and Stellar Music." These are probably not even the same recordings as on the Lovely LP. As I recall Paul made up this cassette with a recording of the piano piece performed by the Labrecque sisters at Festival d'Automne in Paris in 1981. The guitar performance is probably from the same concert. I remember when Paul was recording "Liquid and Stellar" for the album, with Paul Tydelski in San Diego. He was actually playing the parts straight through rather than using the looping system. This was problematic because the recordings were too clean and the high frequencies were building up. Parts were losing definition. They had to low-pass everything, which should certainly ring a bell with many loopers. I don't know if the final recording use the looper or not, but it's easy enough to ask Paul. I'm not sure I've ever heard a recording of "Destiny." I know I heard it live at least once, in Kuumbwa in Santa Cruz. >The cd was actually recorded in 1992, so maybe they updated some >aspects of it between 1985 and then. The 1985 performance was Act I of "Slow Fire, an early sketch that was subsequently developed into the full-length piece you have. It was one of several commissioned "micro-operas" premiered at the Mark Tape Forum as part of the New Music America Festival. The other pieces were by Phil Glass and Carla Bley? (featuring Jack Bruce!). There was an even earlier performance of Paul Dresher Ensemble with Gene Reffkin and Rinde Eckert, but I have very little memory of that one (or even if it had any connection to Slow Fire). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 00:08:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U46pK29846; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:06:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:06:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630040650.4622.qmail@web14403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Rodrigo Constanzo Subject: long time To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030629200702.0209fde8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1339933799-1056946010=:3145" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1339933799-1056946010=:3145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii howdie, i used to post on this years ago, but basically dropped off the map for a while was looking at the new page and its great, wondering how much shit ive missed in the last few years hope to get back into things, rodrigo --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-1339933799-1056946010=:3145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

howdie,

i used to post on this years ago, but basically dropped off the map for a while

was looking at the new page and its great, wondering how much shit ive missed in the last few years

hope to get back into things,

rodrigo

Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-1339933799-1056946010=:3145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 00:11:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U4APa30230; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:10:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:10:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030629205442.02459760@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:11:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: <3EFFB0E5.51E00A91@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626134947.03732d98@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626215653.03780008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030629201550.02103178@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre will get all modest here, but I'm gonna do this to him anyway. In my opinion his 1997 album "Disruption Theory" was a major milestone in the looping universe. It blew me away when it came out. He applied drum&bass chop up and reconstruct concepts to his guitar playing, and pulled off a lot of it live with a single echoplex, fueled by a hyperactive d&b rhythm section. He even has an "echoplex solo" on there. I hadn't heard anybody doing stuff like that before then. He brought all sorts of new looping techniques to the table, many of which he's continued to develop in remarkable ways into his current unique style. Best of all, he used the ideas musically. "Disruption Theory" rocks! There's a reason people on this list mention him all the time as an influence. That boy can play. "Disruption Theory" is going on the essential listening page for the 90's, whether you like or not Andre! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 00:13:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U473U29879; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:07:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:07:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:05:28 -0400 Subject: Re: essential loop recordings From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3139776328_1469036_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3139776328_1469036_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit was going thru old messages and found michael's (below) I have to nominate talking heads remain in light as a seminal record . I've never read up on it, so maybe I'm wrong, but the grooves on that album are so tight and machine-precise that I'm sure they used looped phrases to put the songs together. maybe some of you musicologist types know more? what's amazing about that record is you listen to it now (recorded in early 80's, I think), and it still sounds contemporary. dan http://www.envelopeproductions.com on 6/21/03 7:09 AM, Michael Peters at mpeters@csi.com wrote: the Loopers Delight 'essential loop recordings' page needs updates. It contains some essential recordings reviews, but many are still missing. The page hasn't changed for quite a while now. So we need your contributions - please write reviews, and send them to me - but please send in only reviews of recordings that are truly essential. What is essential? Kim writes, > they might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music where it hadn't been used before, or recordings/artists that influenced a lot of people to become interested in looping or expand their abilities as loopers, etc. ... for other reviews, Kim and I are thinking about setting up a new page fed by a form which can be used by everyone to type in reviews of their favorite bands, etc. = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music --MS_Mac_OE_3139776328_1469036_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: essential loop recordings was going thru old messages and found michael's (below)


I have to nominate talking heads remain in light  as a seminal = record .

I've never read up on it, so maybe I'm wrong, but the grooves on that
album are so tight and machine-precise that I'm sure they used looped phras= es
to put the songs together.

maybe some of you musicologist types know more?


what's amazing about that record is you listen to it now (recorded in early= 80's, I think), and it still sounds contemporary.


dan

http://www.envelopeproductions.com





on 6/21/03 7:09 AM, Michael Peters at mpeters@csi.com wrote:

the Loopers Delight 'essential loop recordings' page needs upda= tes. It
contains some essential recordings reviews, but many are still missing. The=
page hasn't changed for quite a while now.

So we need your contributions - please write reviews, and send them to me -=
but please send in only reviews of recordings that are truly essential. Wha= t
is essential? Kim writes,

> they might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were=
first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music where=
it
hadn't been used before, or recordings/artists that influenced a lot of
people to become interested in looping or expand their abilities as loopers= ,
etc.

... for other reviews, Kim and I are thinking about setting up a new page fed by a form which can be used by everyone to type in reviews of their
favorite bands, etc.


=3D michael peters
=3D www.michaelpeters.de
=3D computer graphics + electronic music


--MS_Mac_OE_3139776328_1469036_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 00:29:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U4RkJ31939; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:27:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:27:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630042745.73993.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:27:45 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: EMU XL-7 thoughts? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3QSlcD.A.8yH.Cx7_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of the EMU XL-7... any thoughts or reviews? how easy is it sequence stuff in the studio? how easy is it to sequence a beat LIVE? i've heard it can/does crash-- any experience with this? can it be trusted in the live setting? how are the sounds? a while back, someone mentioned it can be used as a live MIDI looper, like a DL4 but for MIDI-- is this true? is it easy to do and use? how is it for a control surface feeding into other synths/sequencers? i'm seriously considering one. I want to use it primarily for (1) simple MIDI drum controller for Cubase on the PC, (2) live MIDI looper (3) LIVE drum machine (if possible, i'd like to program beats live), (4) static drum machine (pre-programmed beats), and (5) another synth module. I was considering the Akai MPD16 just for a drum pad controller, but with the ultra-low price on the XL-7 I'm thinking why not get so much more features for not a whole lot more money..... FYI, at my Guitar Center (I work at GC in Crestwood, MO) XL-7 has a guaranteed low price of $449, killer deal. but, i've heard they can be buggy. thoughts? thanks in advance! dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 00:32:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U4W2O32297; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:32:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:32:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630043200.74377.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: Joshua Redman and the Repeater To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com also, I was just thinking, I caught the end of Joshua Redman's set at Bonnaroo this month. Both he and his keyboardist (Sam Yahel) had Repeaters i believe, Joshua's sitting right on top of his rack. however, i did not see them actually use them (i think i got there after the effects freak out). anybody scene them, and can testify to how they use the Repeaters? do they do a lot or a little, to what effect? pretty cool that they're up there at least. i've seen the elastic band before but didn't notice any repeaters at all then (but that was a while ago, before i was a delighted looper). back then though, it seemed redman mostly used his effects for noise-ish type intensity, not really for more musical use....... any thoughts? thanks! dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 00:49:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U4mGG01097; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:47:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <20030626033903.98930.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626125912.03333e78@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030629200702.0209fde8@loopers-delight.com> From: ernesto schnack Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030629200702.0209fde8@loopers-delight.com> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Frisell/Kermit Driscoll/Joey Baron - Live Bill Frisell is one of those musicians that are so good that they make it look easy. He never plays any blazing runs, but he has such control of the guitar, musicality and beautiful tone, that you can't help but be impressed. And the more you listen, the more you are impressed. This extends to his looping, which is so seamless and natural you sometimes don't even notice it. Sounds will mysteriously pop out of nowhere in the middle of a solo, to the point that many would assume they are overdubbed. While most Frisell recordings have plenty of examples of his looping, this live set, generally considered to be one of his best recordings (and a great example of the incredible, almost telepathic, interplay between these three fabulous musicians), leaves you in no doubt as to where those ambient sounds in the background are coming from. On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:25 -0700, Kim Flint wrote: > yet. I don't really care which one it is at this point, I just want to > get something up there! Can I get one of you to write up a review for the > page, focusing on the looping aspect of it? > > I won't let this thread die until somebody does a review. > > Thanks! > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 01:09:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U547P01889; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:04:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:04:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Some mp3s of Reaktor4 effects on guitar (and being looped) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06/30/2003 01:04:15 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone's interesting in getting a taste of the effects in Reaktor, I spent the weekend working on a demo CD of R4 effects (also available if you gimme an address)...and also edited up a few recent studio performances and signed up for a trial period at mac.com, where 19+mb of mp3s are now sitting in my "public" folder (4 tunes entirely based on guitar processed with R4, both directly and also post-processed with R4 VST effects in Peak...Flatblaster is a solid "mastering" tool!). My membername is nonstaining, and there's no password on the folder. If anyone's game, just follow these (long!) directions and give 'em a listen (please let me know if there's anything fishy about the mp3s...they're my first, so I might have made some dumb choices...): Directions from Apple: To open someone's Public folder: If you're using Windows XP, use iDisk Utility for Windows to open someone's Public folder. To download iDisk Utility for Windows, go to www.mac.com, click the iDisk icon, and then click the iDisk Utility download link. If you're using Windows 2000, open My Computer, choose Map Network Drive from the Tools menu, then click "Web folder or FTP site." Enter the following as the location to add: http://idisk.mac.com/membername-Public? (where "membername" is the other person's .Mac member name). If you're using Windows 98, open My Computer, double-click the Web Folders icon, then double-click Add Web Folder. Enter the following as the location to add: http:// idisk.mac.com/membername-Public? (where "membername" is the other person's .Mac member name). If you're using Mac OS X version 10.1 or later, choose Connect To Server from the Finder's Go menu and type http://idisk.mac.com/membername-Public (where "membername" is the person's .Mac member name). If the Public folder is protected with a password, type "public" in the username field and type the Public folder password in the password field. If you're using Mac OS 9.x, choose Chooser from the Apple menu, then click AppleShare. Click the Server IP Address button, type "idisk.mac.com" in the Server Address field, then click Connect. Type the other user's member name and the user's Public folder password, then click Connect. If the user doesn't have a Public folder password, type "public" in the Password field. Select the user's iDisk and click OK. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 01:16:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U5CSC02856; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:12:19 -0700 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Tiktok @ Contour, Wednesday July 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: tiktok@sprintmail.com To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6C8C6AB1-AAB9-11D7-9D37-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing a set or two at Contour (807 First Ave.) this Wednesday, July 2nd, starting around 10PM, as part of the UAC's series of Evolution performances (http://www.unitedartistsnetwork.com/). There may also be some musical collaboration with a DJ and/or some other instrumentalists. Or, not. There will be four painters in the performance area, working on large-scale canvases which will be initiated at the start of the evening and finished by closing time, so I'll feel no pressure to be artificially visually demonstrative while I play guitar, twiddle knobs or try to remember if the reverb comes before the harmonizer or after the auto-wah in whatever patch. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Tiktok mp3.com/tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 01:17:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U5Ban02792; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:11:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:11:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <19e.16f76fb3.2c312082@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:11:30 EDT Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 6/29/03 9:07:40 PM, d.ans@rcn.com writes: << I have to nominate talking heads remain in light as a seminal record . I've never read up on it, so maybe I'm wrong, but the grooves on that album are so tight and machine-precise that I'm sure they used looped phrases to put the songs together. >> One of my favorites. I always think of it as a Brian Eno album. :-) BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 03:29:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U7SJC10921; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:26:07 -0700 Subject: Re: essential loop recordings From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19e.16f76fb3.2c312082@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6On7X.A.dqC.Ta-_-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In a message dated 6/29/03 9:07:40 PM, d.ans@rcn.com writes: > > << I have to nominate talking heads remain in light > One of my favorites. > I always think of it as a Brian Eno album. > :-) >\> Bob\ 2 me it will *always* B: thee "" record!! how he rips on that reckkdd- saw it live and got a coula good vids from europa from that time frame and he just never got as freekee and guitaristic as he done did on that fabulous record!!! that was some damn good stuff.back then i went out and got as much equipment as i could that he used-including big muffs-mxr dynacomps-roland jc120s and (i will always be thankful for the ) goinloopee stanislawskee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 03:37:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U7aD311330; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:36:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:36:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030630003609.020be5e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:36:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Frisell -> essential loop recordings In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030629200702.0209fde8@loopers-delight.com> <20030626033903.98930.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030626125912.03333e78@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030629200702.0209fde8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:47 PM 6/29/2003, ernesto schnack wrote: >Bill Frisell/Kermit Driscoll/Joey Baron - Live perfect, thanks ernesto! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 03:58:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5U7v3S12273; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:57:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:57:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c33edd$2ff25110$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: References: <2d.30ab6daf.2c2cb00f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cambridge Looping Thing? Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:57:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Did anyone here attend the Cambridge gig that was supposed to have > > happened on June 21st? it did indeed happen I've set up groups.yahoo.com/groups/cambridgeloopfest/ which currently has some photos and the programme, and will have some mp3s soon. > Darkroom, LD's Os(looping the other 2) with Michael Bearpark(guitar&DL4)+ > Tim Bowness(vox). amorphic loops Mike was using a Headrush > Cos Chapman on laptop looping a guy playing a digital piano (I forget his > name, > but his playing was v. musical and responded well to the loops) it was Guy Avern > Rick Walker "I have no monitors, and I have feedback!" Rick Walker "I have a very sensitive mic very close to a large wall!" ;) > so not the LD get together some of us had hoped for, > but a good evening of lops none the less maybe next time - I kinda filled up the evening with my local buddies this year - as it was the first time, it was easier that way. venue was good though, I thought, so I would anticipate using it again. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 06:21:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UAKVo19636; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c33ef1$3256dde0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030629144507.02bc64c0@pop.chello.se> Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:20:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Concerning Eberhard's 'thumb position playing': given that Eberhard plays > the "hi-five" (five string with a high 'C' string) he rarely plays high up > on the fingerboard. Because he plays seated and his bass has no 'body' in > the traditional sense, when he does play high he doesn't have to use his > thumb. In other words, i've never known Eberhard to play in 'thumb > position'. Then again, i haven't seen him play live in a number of years so > maybe he's started using his thumb high up on the instrument. I can't remember whether he was using his thumb or not, I just meant playing high up on the neck.. he did some atmospheric stuff off the end of the neck that was 'pitchless' in that it wasn't about notes being in tune, but more about the vibe, which was very cool. It was when he was layering chords and then playing tunes over the top that he's intonation seemed way off... Granted intonation is just another parameter, and absolutes don't neccesarily apply (hey, he's selling a lot more records than I am, and Jan Garbarek still uses him for tonnes of stuff, must be doing OK... ;o) but he was certainly not in control up in those higher positions... The 'muscles and ears' method does seem to have it's draw backs, especially in that your ears either tell you you are right after you played a note, or tell you you are wrong after playing the note, which means you end up correcting, and having the back half of each note in tune. I've had students who played totally in tune... except the first quarter of a second of each note. Some judiciously placed lines would have given them a much smaller margin of error, if used correctly... ;o) I do think that there's a HUGE difference between pizz double bass and plucked electric - in general (there are some exceptions - NHOP for example) pizz double bass notes contain a much smaller proportion of clear harmonic material to percussive/jumbled/rumbling/whatever noises. So you can get away with some fairly crazy things - Paul Chambers would occasionally play four notes in the space of three in a walking line - because he was thinking microtonally, or because direction was as important as intonation? It's the big reason why there are so many upright players who sound fantastic with their fingers, but godawful with a bow - Ron Carter would be a fine example - the arco stuff of Ron's I've heard has been dreadful (not heard all him playing, might just have picked up a bad CD), but his pizz playing has always seemed jus' fine to me. The number of upright players whose playing I really really enjoy in the upper registers is pretty small - Patitucci, Steve Rodby, Red Mitchell, Marc Johnson, David Friesen, and of course Edgar Meyer, who, not surprisingly given that he has the finest intonation of any upright player I've ever heard - has dot markers on his fingerboard! :o) cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 06:22:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UAHwo19418; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:17:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:17:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030630120442.026db418@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:18:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... In-Reply-To: <200306300408.h5U48vO30059@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_9653200==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_9653200==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed --- Jair-Rohm wrote: >>Playing a fretted instrument or a lined instrument >>often hinders a musicians ability >> to access these sophisticated techniques. >I understand your point where it applies to fretted >instruments, but how would lines hinder one from >playing between them, especially if one is not looking >at them? >-t- Good question, Tim. Looking at lines (like frets) causes people to perceive the fingerboard as a finite matrix consisting of a finite number of 'pitches' which are/should be located in the same place all of the time. Playing between the lines is not the same thing as "using intonation" as a compositional/improvisational device. On the other hand, if the player isn't looking at the fingerboard/lines, what's the point in having them? Note that i said that it's the 'looking' that causes the damage. Also, this concept only really applies to music that isn't locked into 12 pitches to the octave equal temperament. Hope this clears things up a little. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_9653200==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" --- Jair-Rohm <gtc@chello.se> wrote:
>>Playing a fretted instrument or a lined instrument
>>often hinders a musicians ability
>> to access these sophisticated techniques.


>I understand your point where it applies to fretted
>instruments, but how would lines hinder one from
>playing between them, especially if one is not looking
>at them?
>-t-

Good question, Tim. Looking at lines (like frets) causes people to perceive  the fingerboard as a finite matrix consisting of a finite number of 'pitches' which are/should be located in the same place all of the time. Playing between the lines is not the same thing as "using intonation" as a compositional/improvisational device. On the other hand, if the player isn't looking at the fingerboard/lines, what's the point in having them? Note that i said that it's the 'looking' that causes the damage. Also, this concept only really applies to music that isn't locked into 12 pitches to the octave equal temperament.

Hope this clears things up a little.

JPW



----------------------------------------------------------------
Glass Thought Communications
"Records for people to listen to at home."
+46 708 940893
http://mp3.com/jairrohm
 --=====================_9653200==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 08:47:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UCkOq27791; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:46:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630124623.26887.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030630120442.026db418@pop.chello.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-355510701-1056977183=:26855" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-355510701-1056977183=:26855 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My fretless guitar came out of the Fernandes factory with lines. The fretless bass I used to own was originally fretted, so there are lines from the fillings of the fret slots. I did find these lines to be a disadvantage when working with microtonal musicians. The violinist used a grease marker to indicate where the desired pitches of his just-tuned scale were - he could erase lines and draw new ones at will as he changed his mind on what notes (or "ratios" in just intonation terms) he wanted in his scale. I think he wanted the lines there on his violin fingerboard for the same reason some fretless bassists want lines - to be able to hit a note at the desired pitch right on cue, at the start point of a composition or after an extended break. This was very important to him, because if he was off the desired pitch, he would no longer be playing the 17-limit JI scale around which the piece was built. Paolo Jair-Rohm wrote: --- Jair-Rohm wrote: Good question, Tim. Looking at lines (like frets) causes people to perceive the fingerboard as a finite matrix consisting of a finite number of 'pitches' which are/should be located in the same place all of the time. Playing between the lines is not the same thing as "using intonation" as a compositional/improvisational device. On the other hand, if the player isn't looking at the fingerboard/lines, what's the point in having them? Note that i said that it's the 'looking' that causes the damage. Also, this concept only really applies to music that isn't locked into 12 pitches to the octave equal temperament. Hope this clears things up a little. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-355510701-1056977183=:26855 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

My fretless guitar came out of the Fernandes factory with lines.  The fretless bass I used to own was originally fretted, so there are lines from the fillings of the fret slots. 
 
I did find these lines to be a disadvantage when working with microtonal musicians.  The violinist used a grease marker to indicate where the desired pitches of his just-tuned scale were - he could erase lines and draw new ones at will as he changed his mind on what notes (or "ratios" in just intonation terms) he wanted in his scale.
 
I think he wanted the lines there on his violin fingerboard for the same reason some fretless bassists want lines - to be able to hit a note at the desired pitch right on cue, at the start point of a composition or after an extended break.  This was very important to him, because if he was off the desired pitch, he would no longer be playing the 17-limit JI scale around which the piece was built.
 
Paolo

Jair-Rohm <gtc@chello.se> wrote:
--- Jair-Rohm <gtc@chello.se> wrote:

Good question, Tim. Looking at lines (like frets) causes people to perceive  the fingerboard as a finite matrix consisting of a finite number of 'pitches' which are/should be located in the same place all of the time. Playing between the lines is not the same thing as "using intonation" as a compositional/improvisational device. On the other hand, if the player isn't looking at the fingerboard/lines, what's the point in having them? Note that i said that it's the 'looking' that causes the damage. Also, this concept only really applies to music that isn't locked into 12 pitches to the octave equal temperament.

Hope this clears things up a little.

JPW



----------------------------------------------------------------
Glass Thought Communications
"Records for people to listen to at home."
+46 708 940893
http://mp3.com/jairrohm

Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-355510701-1056977183=:26855-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 09:12:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UD9YV29557; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:09:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:09:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c33f08$eb0ea680$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <20030630124623.26887.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:10:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Paolo Valladolid >I did find these lines to be a disadvantage when >working with microtonal musicians. The violinist >used a grease marker to indicate where the desired >pitches of his just-tuned scale were - he could erase >lines and draw new ones at will as he changed his >mind on what notes (or "ratios" in just intonation terms) >he wanted in his scale. > >I think he wanted the lines there on his violin fingerboard >for the same reason some fretless bassists want lines - >to be able to hit a note at the desired pitch right on >cue, at the start point of a composition or after an >extended break. This was very important to him, >because if he was off the desired pitch, he would >no longer be playing the 17-limit JI scale around >which the piece was built. If a violinist is marking off his fretboard for the 17th harmonic, he couldn't have been much of a violinist to start with. The 17th harmonic so close to 12 tone equal temperament, it ain't even funny. Just play a m2 and push it a hair sharp until it resonates. As for fret lines: I guess it's lot to ask musicans to listen, eh? * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 09:18:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UDH9V30313; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:17:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:17:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c33f09$dc9c6b40$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030630120442.026db418@pop.chello.se> Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:16:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_sOE1D.A.fZH.VhDA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Good question, Tim. Looking at lines (like frets) causes people to > perceive the fingerboard as a finite matrix consisting of a finite number > of 'pitches' which are/should be located in the same place all of the time. > Playing between the lines is not the same thing as "using intonation" as a > compositional/improvisational device. On the other hand, if the player > isn't looking at the fingerboard/lines, what's the point in having them? > Note that i said that it's the 'looking' that causes the damage. Also, this > concept only really applies to music that isn't locked into 12 pitches to > the octave equal temperament. > > Hope this clears things up a little. Sort of, though I still can't see how 'looking' causes damage - sure, there's a tendency amongst musicians who play lined fretless to play in standard intonation... because there is amongst 'most' musicians... I've certainly found that the lines make it fairly easy for me to accurately reproduce notes outside of that matrix - knowing that a note is a few cents flat of where the line tells you, because you want a more in tune seventh, or third or whatever, is certainly going to be no harder than just 'feeling' it, and probably (definitely in my case) a heck of a lot easier. I've not experimented much with extended intonation, but where I have, the lines have proved crucial to me being able to reproduce it time after time, without spending weeks and weeks playing the same thing just to be able to do it in tune. The classical players I know who have got REALLY good intonation (which is very few of the classical players I know), have spent years playing scales/arps/etc. in order to train their muscle memory. If I had to do that, I'd do it. However, it seems to me that lines make it a lot easier... I always thought that the only reason for not having lines on a Cello or URB is that the bridge moves, but apparently that's not true either... so I can't see any reason not to... ;o) I'll certainly be getting my Cello lined if I ever get round to using it in earnest - at the moment it's got pencil lines on it, but I'll get big bright white ones so I can't miss them. Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 10:00:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UDxTG01578; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:59:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:59:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630135928.40874.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009101c33f08$eb0ea680$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-137783965-1056981568=:40590" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-137783965-1056981568=:40590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Depends on the musician I guess. I've never been in a situation like Jesse Ray Lucas (I believe it was he) says he was in, so I can't really speak personally to the argument that the lines will save you if you had to sit out an 8-bar break, then had to come in right on cue, right on pitch. Paolo David Beardsley wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Paolo Valladolid If a violinist is marking off his fretboard for the 17th harmonic, he couldn't have been much of a violinist to start with. The 17th harmonic so close to 12 tone equal temperament, it ain't even funny. Just play a m2 and push it a hair sharp until it resonates. As for fret lines: I guess it's lot to ask musicans to listen, eh? * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-137783965-1056981568=:40590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Depends on the musician I guess.  I've never been in a situation like Jesse Ray Lucas (I believe it was he) says he was in, so I can't really speak personally to the argument that the lines will save you if you had to sit out an 8-bar break, then had to come in right on cue, right on pitch.
 
Paolo

David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Paolo Valladolid


If a violinist is marking off his fretboard for the 17th harmonic,
he couldn't have been much of a violinist to start with.
The 17th harmonic so close to 12 tone equal temperament,
it ain't even funny. Just play a m2 and push it a hair sharp until
it resonates.

As for fret lines: I guess it's lot to ask musicans to listen, eh?


* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db


Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-137783965-1056981568=:40590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 10:25:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UEMnJ03111; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:22:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:22:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:22:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030630135928.40874.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4E7107B0-AB06-11D7-8E65-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 06:59 AM, David Beardsley wrote: > As for fret lines: I guess it's lot to ask musicans to listen, eh? I've been in so many situations where there was no monitor system and poor acoustics that hearing yourself was next to impossible. If my guitar didn't have frets I'd often have no idea where I was in relation to a scale. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 10:45:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UEiAw04895; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:44:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:44:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:42:09 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: essential loop recordings In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0aea01c33f15$c9609900$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damm, another one i forgot... belew my brains out. me too. > > > > In a message dated 6/29/03 9:07:40 PM, d.ans@rcn.com writes: > > > > << I have to nominate talking heads remain in light > > One of my favorites. > > > > I always think of it as a Brian Eno album. > > :-) > >\> Bob\ > > > 2 me it will *always* B: thee "" record!! > how he rips on that reckkdd- > saw it live and got a coula good vids from europa from that > time frame and he just never got as freekee and guitaristic > as he done did on that fabulous record!!! that was some damn > good stuff.back then i went out and got as much equipment as > i could that he used-including big muffs-mxr dynacomps-roland > jc120s and (i will always be thankful for the ) > > goinloopee > stanislawskee > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 11:15:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UFE3007340; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:14:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:14:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630151357.68229.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030630120442.026db418@pop.chello.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jair-Rohm wrote: > On the other hand, if the player > isn't looking at the fingerboard/lines, what's the > point in having them? Well, if someone is playing the same instrument all the time and is disciplined enough to not ever look at the fingerboard, I agree, it would be pointless to take an unmarked instrument to a luthier to have it lined. However, many people use several instruments that often have different scale lengths and/or neck profiles. Side markers can be very useful; to me, it boils down to what someone is comfortable with. I personally find just a few side dots at the three main harmonic points (1/4, 1/3, 1/2) to be sufficient, or even fewer depending on where the body connects. When I build an instrument, often I play out with it before it's quite 'done'; one of my recent projects which can be seen at is a doubleneck with a conventional headless 6-string guitar neck and a two-stringed, long scale fretless bass neck which in profile is very much like the neck on a baglama saz. It currently has no markings on it whatsoever, and due to the scale and profile (there's about a 14" stretch of the neck that feels about the same to the hand and offers no 'landmarks') it's very difficult to play without markers, to me at least. Also, as has been mentioned, many players have lines on their fingerboards as residual traces of where frets once were before being filled. Just as you point out how it would be pointless for someone who doesn't look at the markers to have them installed, it would be equally pointless for that same player to have a fingerboard replaced just to get rid of the lines. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 11:27:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UFPXd08433; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:25:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:25:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630152527.97200.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:25:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dan Soltzberg wrote: > I have to nominate talking heads remain in light as > a seminal record . > > I've never read up on it, so maybe I'm wrong, but > the grooves on that album are so tight and machine->precise that I'm sure they used looped > phrases to put the songs together. Two other albums in much the same vein that I've been listening to ever since their release and have found very influential on my looping are Brian Eno and David Byrne's "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts" and Byrne's score to Twyla Tharp's "The Catherine Wheel". If you like 'Remain In Light', you'll definitely enjoy both of these. I'm not sure any of the three use *real-time* looping, though. I did read an interview a while ago regarding the approach to sampling on 'Bush of Ghosts' that talked about how at the time there wasn't much available in terms of sampling hardware, so a lot of the techniques they used were sort of creatively jerry-rigged. Great results nonetheless! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 12:23:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UGL3J12729; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:21:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:21:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630162057.63802.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:20:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: where to compress? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030630040650.4622.qmail@web14403.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, just looking for some opinions on where is the best place in my chain to compress. i am using a bass through a mini Q-tron > moogerfooger MF101 > TS9 (tube screamer) > volume pedal > 2 repeaters. i was thinking that compression would be best after the MF101 since the 101 and Q-tron are dynamic sensitive effects. i've been playing around with the chain, but was just looking for some ideas or suggestions. thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 12:46:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UGfqo14444; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:41:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:41:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630164151.71249.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030630151357.68229.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-767082439-1056991311=:70184" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-767082439-1056991311=:70184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Exactly. I understand the aesthetics of using the ears to guide note placement on fretless guitars and basses, but it would be ridiculous to expect me to replace an entire fingerboard on a low-cost guitar just to get rid of some lines. Now on a custom instrument where I actually would have the _choice_ on whether to have fretlines or not... well that is another matter... :) Paolo Tim Nelson wrote: Also, as has been mentioned, many players have lines on their fingerboards as residual traces of where frets once were before being filled. Just as you point out how it would be pointless for someone who doesn't look at the markers to have them installed, it would be equally pointless for that same player to have a fingerboard replaced just to get rid of the lines. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-767082439-1056991311=:70184 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Exactly.
 
I understand the aesthetics of using the ears to guide note placement on fretless guitars and basses, but it would be ridiculous to expect me to replace an entire fingerboard on a low-cost guitar just to get rid of some lines.
 
Now on a custom instrument where I actually would have the _choice_ on whether to have fretlines or not... well that is another matter... :)
 
Paolo

Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:
Also, as has been mentioned, many players have lines
on their fingerboards as residual traces of where
frets once were before being filled. Just as you point
out how it would be pointless for someone who doesn't
look at the markers to have them installed, it would
be equally pointless for that same player to have a
fingerboard replaced just to get rid of the lines.

-t-

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
http://sbc.yahoo.com

Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-767082439-1056991311=:70184-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 12:49:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UGmG314934; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630164815.5840.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030628001513.34143.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I bought Fernandes fretless guitar from his > fretlessguitar.com website. > I did inquire about the glass fingerboard mod option > that fretlessguitar.com was to offer, but their reply > was they found glass to chip too easily to offer as an > option on a mass-produced guitar. They offer some sort of anodized aluminum as an alternative fingerboard, don't they? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 13:02:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UH0GC15858; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:00:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630170015.76439.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:00:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030630164815.5840.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-992529381-1056992415=:75665" Resent-Message-ID: <-Ys-hB.A.q3D.gyGA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-992529381-1056992415=:75665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good catch! My last inquiry to them was almost 2 years ago - I hadn't visited the site much since. At the point, it will be a while before I invest more into fretless guitars beyond having the GK2 put on, after which I may decide I'd rather have a custom luthier like Tim Tone (timtone.com) make one. There are too many other things I'd want on this hypothetical new axe - locking tuners, graphite reinforced neck, Hipshot Trilogy bridge, the option to control Sustainer/Sustainiac Drive with a breath controller instead of the Drive knob, etc. Paolo Greg House wrote: --- Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I bought Fernandes fretless guitar from his > fretlessguitar.com website. > I did inquire about the glass fingerboard mod option > that fretlessguitar.com was to offer, but their reply > was they found glass to chip too easily to offer as an > option on a mass-produced guitar. They offer some sort of anodized aluminum as an alternative fingerboard, don't they? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-992529381-1056992415=:75665 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Good catch!  My last inquiry to them was almost 2 years ago - I hadn't visited the site much since.
 
At the point, it will be a while before I invest more into fretless guitars beyond having the GK2 put on, after which I may decide I'd rather have a custom luthier like Tim Tone (timtone.com) make one.  There are too many other things I'd want on this hypothetical new axe - locking tuners, graphite reinforced neck, Hipshot Trilogy bridge, the option to control Sustainer/Sustainiac Drive with a breath controller instead of the Drive knob, etc.
 
Paolo

Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- Paolo Valladolid wrote:

> I bought Fernandes fretless guitar from his
> fretlessguitar.com website.

> I did inquire about the glass fingerboard mod option
> that fretlessguitar.com was to offer, but their reply
> was they found glass to chip too easily to offer as an
> option on a mass-produced guitar.

They offer some sort of anodized aluminum as an alternative fingerboard, don't
they?

Greg

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
http://sbc.yahoo.com

Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-992529381-1056992415=:75665-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 13:13:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UHAOU16712; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:10:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030630152527.97200.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030630152527.97200.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:09:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: essential loop recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2yjrzC.A._EE._7GA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:25 AM -0700 6/30/03, Tim Nelson wrote: >Brian Eno and David Byrne's "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts" One of my favorites as well, though I'll have to say that it's really a takeoff on Jon Hassell's combining of live and recorded materials (JH had been playing live against tape loops since 1959). Of course in "Bush" the customary relationship of live soloist against recorded accompaniment is turned on its head. Another seminal example of this sort of thing is Gavin Bryars' "Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet" (1971). For those not familiar, Bryars took a recording of an old tramp singing the hymn if the title, looped it, and composed a rather sentimental accompaniment for chamber ensemble. The vocal part continues throughout without variation while the ensemble arrangement grows gradually more ornate. I prefer the original 1975 recording to the 1990 version. The latter features Tom Waitts growling and moaning through the final passages, rather breaking the mood. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 13:58:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UHuXP20425; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:56:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:56:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630175632.79478.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:56:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Bill Nelson - essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030630003609.020be5e0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Nelson has been incorporating tape loops and looping techniques since at least 1981, and maybe earlier. (His first lp was in 1970, but I don't have his earliest recordings). I've seen no mention of him at all here yet. He used looping so seamlessly it never occured to me that he was looping but I just read an article from him said he did. You didn't notice the techniques used, but just the great the music. (Same goes for Remain in Light, My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts, and The Catherine Wheel). Anyway here are a few of his many recordings by Bill Nelson that use looping techniques: 1981 Sounding the Ritual Echo 1982 Das Kabinet 1982 La Belle et la Bete 1984 Trial by Intimacy (The Book of Splendours) Four album box set, limited edition of 3000 Album 1 The Summer of God's Piano Album 2 Chamber of Dreams (Music from the Invisibility Exhibition) Album 3 Pavilions of the Heart and Soul Album 4 A Catalogue of Obsessions All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 14:04:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UI32X21013; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:03:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:03:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630180300.66778.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Blankenship Subject: Talk To Ya later To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5c6UoC.A.NIF.VtHA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As The Tubes said "Talk to ya later". I need to sign off for a bit. I'm recording a new CD and don't have time to check all the e-mails right now. I'll pop back in when I can, or if I need some help figuring out anything else about the echoplex. Thanks to everyone who helped me figure out how to use the PMC 10, and sync up the echoplex to my drum machine. I'm putting up several new looping tracks a week on my website. If anyone is interested contact me off list and I'll give you the links to check them out. I just put up my first three using the echoplex. All the very best! Terry Blankenship __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 14:27:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UIPD022953; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20030630043200.74377.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Joshua Redman and the Repeater Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:25:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2003 18:25:07.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEBF7580:01C33F34] Resent-Message-ID: <0gwSHC.A.dmF.JCIA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > also, I was just thinking, I caught the end of Joshua > Redman's set at Bonnaroo this month. Both he and his > keyboardist (Sam Yahel) had Repeaters i believe, Joshua's I had heard the same thing and was excited to see Joshua and Sam using repeaters in a jazz context. So I hit up their show in SF a couple of months ago. Its true both of these guys have repeaters in their racks. However, I was disappointed to see that it was very much separated out, like here's my jazz stuff, ok stop, now here's my weird ass looping and highly reverbed noise art, ok stop, and we're back to jazz. My take is that the elastic band has not really figured out how to integrate looping into what they do and are still experimenting heavily to figure out how it fits into the puzzle. Personally I'm excited to see what they come up with, and I'm glad to see that they're experimenting! I would have loved to see Sam Yahel especially, use his repeater to lay down some basslines - there's no bass player in that band and he was playing basslines all night. Unfortunately, both his basslines and his comping/soloing suffered - its hard to play interesting basslines while also playing something else, and its hard to play an interesting solo while playing a bassline. It just seems so obvious that at least for one solo, he might loop a really cool bassline and solo over it! Even cooler would be if he looped a bassline in C and then pitch shifted it with his midi footpedals to follow the chord progression of the song - I was just wishing I could spend an hour with those guys and show them some of this stuff... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 14:35:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UIYBn23873; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:34:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:34:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "CT-Collective" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: plameless shug Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:38:20 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: XRcZa4ZAZe3r7sBKLe9P8fXlBHb3rR0-SvxbCJFsiidxvAJ67gOLgw@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A quite favourable review of my 57 minute 'Stretched Landscape #1' in the July issue of WIRE magazine. As you can imagine, I'm proud. :-) Yes, this piece contains loops. :-) = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 14:47:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UIjDk25039; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:45:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:45:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c33f37$c9c3cf30$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030630043200.74377.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Joshua Redman and the Repeater Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:45:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I noticed some background sax overdubs on the Elastic album when I got it and didn't think anything of it. Then I saw everyone talking in here about them having Repeaters, and wondered if Josh was pulling those off live. But it sounds like the answer is currently "no." I wonder if Sam Yahel is trapped in the same place about looping bass lines as I am about having no lines on my fingerboard. Some silly macho jazz aesthetic about if it ain't played live it ain't real, or if it's got lines you're cheating. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Joshua Redman and the Repeater > > also, I was just thinking, I caught the end of Joshua > > Redman's set at Bonnaroo this month. Both he and his > > keyboardist (Sam Yahel) had Repeaters i believe, Joshua's > > I had heard the same thing and was excited to see Joshua and Sam using > repeaters in a jazz context. So I hit up their show in SF a couple of > months ago. Its true both of these guys have repeaters in their racks. > However, I was disappointed to see that it was very much separated out, like > here's my jazz stuff, ok stop, now here's my weird ass looping and highly > reverbed noise art, ok stop, and we're back to jazz. My take is that the > elastic band has not really figured out how to integrate looping into what > they do and are still experimenting heavily to figure out how it fits into > the puzzle. Personally I'm excited to see what they come up with, and I'm > glad to see that they're experimenting! > > I would have loved to see Sam Yahel especially, use his repeater to lay down > some basslines - there's no bass player in that band and he was playing > basslines all night. Unfortunately, both his basslines and his > comping/soloing suffered - its hard to play interesting basslines while also > playing something else, and its hard to play an interesting solo while > playing a bassline. It just seems so obvious that at least for one solo, he > might loop a really cool bassline and solo over it! Even cooler would be > if he looped a bassline in C and then pitch shifted it with his midi > footpedals to follow the chord progression of the song - I was just wishing > I could spend an hour with those guys and show them some of this stuff... > > Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 14:57:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UIucu26091; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20030630043200.74377.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> <004d01c33f37$c9c3cf30$520cfc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Joshua Redman and the Repeater Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:56:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2003 18:56:32.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[529BE4E0:01C33F39] Resent-Message-ID: <20PQ8.A.hXG.mfIA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I wonder if Sam Yahel is trapped in the same place about looping bass lines > as I am about having no lines on my fingerboard. Some silly macho jazz > aesthetic about if it ain't played live it ain't real, or if it's got lines > you're cheating. well he's clearly trained in that B3 style of lefthand/footpedal bassline playing, which is cool, except, since when are there rules in music??? guidelines yes, but rules no! btw, I think the "background overdubs" on elastic is actually done live with a harmonizer. Unless you're referring to something different than I heard. Joshua did do this live as well. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 15:00:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UIxJM26471; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:59:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:59:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630185913.19126.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:59:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030620000835.1079.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We had a thread a while back about shoegazing vs. eye contact with the audience. Well, at a recent performance I was completely oblivious to a couple of guys with a camcorder taping my set until afterwards when one of them approached me during that 'making sure to get all of my instruments, accessories and cables into the cases and get the hell off stage so the next act can get on' phase of a gig when you really can't chat all that much. He told me that he was a television producer and stuck a sheet of paper in front of me on which my signature would give him the rights to the footage in perpetuity. As it was for a local program (two stations in Boston and Cambridge), I signed it. THEN he went on to describe the program's slant: it was to be about how electronic music might be the death knell for players of traditional musical instruments, blah blah blah, the same tired old argument that greeted the invention of the fortepiano, the mellotron, the synthesizer, the sampler, etc.... This afternoon, a CD-R arrived in the mail containing an mpeg file of the program. With it was enclosed a note reading "This show is currently being shown on CCTV and BNN. [Channels 10 and 23 in the Boston area; the show is called "Our Town"] Enjoyed your work! You have to get it out of the 'church basement' and into the mainstream." About 18 minutes into the program, the commentator, Art Foley, seated in front of a well-stocked bar, delivers the following speech: "Let's get into something really controversial, and that's music. I had an opportunity recently to go over to the Zeitgeist Gallery and they had an exposition of 'electronic music' and they had all these boxes with electronic gear and they would 'loop' and 'resample' and do all kinds of tricks with a note that they would either strum on a guitar or play on a saxophone or whatever... We did a Big Band about six months ago, an interview with a Big Band and the opinion was expressed at the time that we may be seeing the end of traditional instruments... [Wistful, concerned expression...] So take a look at this, and don't close your mind to it and think in terms of if you could see something like this in, say, a cocktail lounge. This type of music does not have, you might say, an association with it, it's almost like people who juice their vegetables and fruit, turning it into juice, they eliminate the digestive process. As a result, the stuff dumps right into their bloodstream, and they say this is, of course, very beneficial. Again, this music does not have the normal association with it; as a result, it DUMPS RIGHT INTO YOUR MIND! [Big hand gestures] So it is... it's POWERFUL! And again, don't turn it off; give it a listen and see what you think. Is this gonna be THE FUTURE OF MUSIC?" (That's followed by ten minutes of me looping. The first few minutes is a bit embarrassing, but it gets better when the loopage kicks in, and plays right to the end through the show's credits.) Dumping pureed music right into your mind, -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 15:12:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UJ9sQ27414; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:09:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:09:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630190952.78891.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030630185913.19126.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > This afternoon, a CD-R arrived in the mail containing > an mpeg file of the program. With it was enclosed a > note reading "This show is currently being shown on > CCTV and BNN. [Channels 10 and 23 in the Boston area; > the show is called "Our Town"] Enjoyed your work! You > have to get it out of the 'church basement' and into > the mainstream." So...you gonna post an mpeg of it somewhere so we can see? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 15:39:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UJbNX29859; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:37:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:37:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630193717.53047.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030630190952.78891.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Greg House wrote: > So...you gonna post an mpeg of it somewhere so we > can see? I don't have any way to do so, but if anyone would like to post it for me, I'll send 'em a copy of the disc. The whole program is 29 minutes long including a piece about Haiti and an Andy Rooney-esque economic editorial, but the loopcontent is only in the last 11 minutes. (Edited to that part, it'd eat up about 114 megs; unedited, it's just over 300 megs.) They say TV adds 10 pounds to one's appearance (or is it 20?); egad! Do I really look like Sam Kinison?! Aaaagh... During the set, I distinctly remember a large drip of perspiration falling from the end of my nose while I was doing an old school tweak-the-held-delay pitch drop; little did I realize that I was being filmed in closeup at the moment. My Teuffel-shaped doubleneck looks cool, at least. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 15:59:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UJtx931571; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:55:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c33f41$db395e60$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: , "CT-Collective" References: Subject: Re: plameless shug Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:57:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0suJKB.A.KtH.PXJA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" > A quite favourable review of my 57 minute 'Stretched Landscape #1' in the > July issue of WIRE magazine. As you can imagine, I'm proud. :-) > Yes, this piece contains loops. :-) Very cool. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:03:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UJtiT31533; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:55:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:55:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:55:41 -0400 Subject: RE: Bill Nelson - essential loop recordings From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200306301827.h5UIRrd23260@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I met Bill Nelson many years ago. He does indeed use loops, though Bill uses tapes. As far as I know he has never used digital loopers. I agree, his music is essential listening. He and I were doing things on the ebow years ago that no one was doing. He's also a really nice person. klowy (wrinklemuzik) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:08:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UK7FQ32634; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:07:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:07:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.2d3b1ade.2c31f24f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:06:39 EDT Subject: Re: where to compress? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12e.2d3b1ade.2c31f24f_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12e.2d3b1ade.2c31f24f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/30/03 12:22:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes: > hi all, just looking for some opinions on where is the > best place in my chain to compress i know very little about compression and i have been wanting to learn more about it.....anyone care to explain how it's used in their live looping system.....michael --part1_12e.2d3b1ade.2c31f24f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/30/0= 3 12:22:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes:


hi all, just looking for some o= pinions on where is the
best place in my chain to compress


i know very little about compression and i have been wanting to learn more a= bout it.....anyone care to explain how it's used in their live looping syste= m.....michael --part1_12e.2d3b1ade.2c31f24f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:08:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UK6gY32526; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:06:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:06:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD In-Reply-To: <20030630193717.53047.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030630193717.53047.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-11) Date: 30 Jun 2003 16:05:17 -0400 Message-Id: <1057003519.20609.4.camel@bilbo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <38MHGB.A.F8H.ShJA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, I could post just the looping portion off my site no problem. For the whole video, I would probably just stream it out of my house. I can also duplicate the DVD and return the original to you. I believe you have my address. Jeff On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 15:37, Tim Nelson wrote: > --- Greg House wrote: > > So...you gonna post an mpeg of it somewhere so we > > can see? > > I don't have any way to do so, but if anyone would > like to post it for me, I'll send 'em a copy of the > disc. > > The whole program is 29 minutes long including a piece > about Haiti and an Andy Rooney-esque economic > editorial, but the loopcontent is only in the last 11 > minutes. (Edited to that part, it'd eat up about 114 > megs; unedited, it's just over 300 megs.) > > They say TV adds 10 pounds to one's appearance (or is > it 20?); egad! Do I really look like Sam Kinison?! > Aaaagh... During the set, I distinctly remember a > large drip of perspiration falling from the end of my > nose while I was doing an old school > tweak-the-held-delay pitch drop; little did I realize > that I was being filmed in closeup at the moment. > > My Teuffel-shaped doubleneck looks cool, at least. > > -t- > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > -- Jeffrey Lomas Technology Services OASIS Open From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:14:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKCq400965; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:12:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:12:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:12:49 EDT Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a8.1f3e4db5.2c31f3c1_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <2dP2r.A.7O.DnJA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a8.1f3e4db5.2c31f3c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/30/03 12:42:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paolovalladolid@yahoo.com writes: > Now on a custom instrument where I actually would have the _choice_ on > whether to have fretlines or not if i could play a frettless instument w/o lines and i had a "custom job" done up, i would have them put all manner of willy nilly lines all over the neck, zig-zags, lightning.....really make them wonder.....:).....michael --part1_a8.1f3e4db5.2c31f3c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/30/0= 3 12:42:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paolovalladolid@yahoo.com writes:


Now on a custom instrument wher= e I actually would have the _choice_ on whether to have fretlines or not

if i could play a frettless instument w/o lines and i had a "custom job" don= e up, i would have them put all manner of willy nilly lines all over the nec= k, zig-zags, lightning.....really make them wonder.....:).....michael= --part1_a8.1f3e4db5.2c31f3c1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:16:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKDtw01088; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:13:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:13:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F009A14.7060202@spnz.org> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:14:12 -0500 From: Dave Stagner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: minneapolis gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5u4itD.A.3Q.DoJA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be looping at the Convergence science fiction convention in Bloomington, MN, at 8pm friday July 4, in the Space Lounge. There may well be other looping in the Space Lounge as well. And i'll probably do more looping on saturday night with the electronic improv group Sensor re:engine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:23:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKMux01992; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:22:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:22:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030630222137.026ef5a0@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:23:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... In-Reply-To: <200306301827.h5UIRrA23256@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_45961799==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_45961799==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I think that the lined fretless (or upright) is a great idea for 'mainstream' music and i think (after this discussion) that i should get one. Thanks for the inspiration. Still, Eberhard is the man. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_45961799==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I think that the lined fretless (or upright) is a great idea for 'mainstream' music and i think (after this discussion) that i should get one.

Thanks for the inspiration.

Still, Eberhard is the man.

JPW




----------------------------------------------------------------
Glass Thought Communications
"Records for people to listen to at home."
+46 708 940893
http://mp3.com/jairrohm
 --=====================_45961799==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:24:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKNdX02066; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:23:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:23:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:24:39 -0800 Subject: Repeater - .WAV to CFC ever solved? From: "Alex U'Ren" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Long time listener, first time caller, my name is Alex and I just bought a used Electrix Repeater (OS 1.1). I've searched the mailing list archives and I see that many folks in the past have dealt with trying to copy externally created .WAV files to a CFC and have Repeater recognize them successfully. I know that this has to do with .ldf and .tdf files existing in the same folder with your .WAV files and having the correct info about the your .WAV files (length info, etc.). Has a workaround ever be sorted for this? Repeater will recognize your .WAV files if you copy .ldf and .tdf files into from another folder into the LOOP folder with your .WAV files but, of course, the loop size in the .ldf file does not reflect the actual size of your .WAV file. Can an .ldf file be edited (i.e. with ResEdit on a Mac) to contain the correct loop size for your .WAV file? I would think that this is the main obstacle to overcome. Any tips or workarounds would be greatly appreciated, as I am trying to get some existing backing tracks (consisting of a stereo pair of drum loop files and a mono bass synth file each) from my Mac onto the Repeater. Thanks, Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:29:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKRaO02623; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:27:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:27:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <189.1bbb88c5.2c31f731@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:27:29 EDT Subject: Re: plameless shug To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_189.1bbb88c5.2c31f731_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <58caXD.A.3o.40JA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_189.1bbb88c5.2c31f731_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/30/03 2:34:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mpeters@csi.com writes: > 'Stretched Landscape #1' michael.....how can i get a copy?.....michael --part1_189.1bbb88c5.2c31f731_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/30/0= 3 2:34:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mpeters@csi.com writes:


'Stretched Landscape #1'

michael.....how can i get a copy?.....michael --part1_189.1bbb88c5.2c31f731_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:30:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKO5Z02187; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:24:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:24:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:27:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Joshua Redman and the Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4F10C845-AB39-11D7-9C2B-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 01:25 PM, Jon Wagner wrote: > reverbed noise art, ok stop, and we're back to jazz. My take is that > the > elastic band has not really figured out how to integrate looping into > what > they do and are still experimenting heavily to figure out how it fits > into this is because Sam Yahel has not taken the step of bringing the looping rack, nord, and bass synth into the organ rig. you will _always_ get that jarring style clash when switching instrument rigs like that mid-set. i have to play gigs with either the organ or the electro rig right now, i would never try both. as soon as i get my looping rack finished (second looper, eventide. mixer) i'm going to put it in a separate rack so i can use it at organ gigs as well. i'd like the line between stg/electro and stg/electromechanical to blur a bit. i would really like to have the small looping rack, my Moog, and some sort of analogue bass synth integrated into my lower manual. that would be sweet. > some basslines - there's no bass player in that band and he was playing > basslines all night. Unfortunately, both his basslines and his > comping/soloing suffered - its hard to play interesting basslines > while also > playing something else, and its hard to play an interesting solo while > playing a bassline. i must disagree, his playing did _not_ suffer because of the "division of attention" (as Fripp calls it). Bass-playing organists (or "jazz organists") find it _very_ difficult to play interesting solos when we are not in control of the bass as well. the absolute WORST jazz organ records are those that have string bass players on them ... the organist always feels like a fish out of water. however, i do know he was having trouble routing aftertouch in the Nord Modular when i spoke to him last, he did want to increase his expressiveness. he was also still getting the hang of the repeater when i saw them. personally i think maybe an EDP would be more appropriate for what they're doing. i mentioned the EDP to them, and they were pleased to know that if their Repeaters die (which they will, sometime) that they have an upgrade path. we organists are bass players first, and solo/compists second. whenever i'm at an open stage and i have to play with a string bass player, my mind goes blank and i can't play for shit. at the last open stage i was at, we started to play "I shot the sheriff" and during the first verse a string bassist jumped up and basically displaced me in the low end. i was completely demotivated. seeing Josh Redman was the best concert experience i've had in the past year (except for maybe King Crimson). i really liked his new direction and i hope that Sam figures out a way to integrate his two keyboard stations into one. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:36:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKZSt03387; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:35:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:35:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630203522.65980.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >all manner of willy nilly lines all over the neck, > zig-zags, lightning.....really make them > wonder.....:).....michael On that fretless I described with the wrong scale neck (the octave harmonic was almost an inch off), I painted the back of the neck in alternating sections of black and white which corresponded to where the fretlines were *really* supposed to be, but it looked really dorky, like a bumblebee... :-) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:39:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKc2R03757; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:38:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:38:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <155.20653e5d.2c31f99d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:37:49 EDT Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <4JDnE.A.k6.q-JA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com michael peters reviewed in WIRE, tim nelson on t.v.....see if they "kick sand in our faces anymore!".....LOOPIN IS TAKIN OVER!.....ITS EVERYWHERE!.....and we can prove it.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:48:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKlPl04717; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:47:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:47:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F00A1ED.50009@spnz.org> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:47:41 -0500 From: Dave Stagner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: where to compress? References: <12e.2d3b1ade.2c31f24f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/30/03 12:22:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes: > > >> hi all, just looking for some opinions on where is the >> best place in my chain to compress > > > > i know very little about compression and i have been wanting to learn > more about it.....anyone care to explain how it's used in their live > looping system.....michael I've only recently started using compression in my live looping. My compressor is a Blackbox Electronics Oxygen, which is a beautiful device. I don't think of it as part of my looping rig, but rather my tone source. In my mind, there's sort of a circle to my rig... guitar to analog tone-shaping pedals (compression, wah, distortion, flanging, analog echo) to loopers (Vortex and DeltaLab) to amp to guitar (feedback). Placement-wise, my compressor is the first device in the analog effects chain. Compression after noisy devices (like my beloved horrible Danelectro wah) amplifies the noise to unacceptable levels. Besides, the Oxygen includes a noise gate that works quite well if i keep the initial noise levels reasonable. I'm also finding neat effects using the compressor and its gate along with distortion, and very light tapping - it makes little explosive noises that just disappear afterward. It'll take some time to learn to control this, tho. The main motivation for getting a compressor was to even out my fingerpicking tone - bare fingers plus overdrive equals uneven tone. It matters for looping only because it makes my tone better in general. Its other uses, like explosive tapping, are more a matter of how i abuse effects for my own nefarious ends than how a more normal musician would do things. In short, put the compressor first. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:48:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKkPv04549; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:46:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3716097.1057005984173.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:46:24 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rocktron mixer FS on eBay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A month or two back there was someone on the list looking for a Rocktron G612 line mixer, but I'm having no luck finding them in the archives. Anyway, there's on in eBay right now, so anyone interested in a 1U line mixer with 4 sends, have at it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2541902937&category=23792 TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 16:58:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UKuYJ05771; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:56:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:56:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: plameless shug Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:00:18 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <189.1bbb88c5.2c31f731@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: EZ+IWGZbZer29OFMnywBCWg0smtZKJftVW40r8tUjpvvkvpT7Afw4A@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> 'Stretched Landscape #1' > michael.....how can i get a copy?.....michael hi michael ... go to the artist shop ... http://www.artist-shop.com/burningshed/index.htm or directly to burning shed ... http://www.burningshed.com/index.asp?page=tracks&label=1&id=64&orders=10000 = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 17:19:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ULGAc07834; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:16:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630211604.35958.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <155.20653e5d.2c31f99d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > LOOPIN IS TAKIN > OVER!.....ITS EVERYWHERE!.....and > we can prove it.....:)m Didja notice how the tv commentator said "this _type_ of music"? I wonder what he meant by that? :-) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 17:20:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ULF4P07700; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7459477.1057007703121.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:15:02 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looping is killing music? And all this time I thought it was synthesizers that were doing that. No, wait--drum machines. Or was it electric guitars? Or long hair? Or race music? Drugs? The flat five? This is all so confusing--can someone help me out here? (Wistful, concerned expression), I will say that if I was you, I'd be sure to sample this guy's monologue and use it in many future performances, as you continue to kill music. TravisH ****************** Someone said: "Let's get into something really controversial, and that's music. I had an opportunity recently to go over to the Zeitgeist Gallery and they had an exposition of 'electronic music' and they had all these boxes with electronic gear and they would 'loop' and 'resample' and do all kinds of tricks with a note that they would either strum on a guitar or play on a saxophone or whatever... We did a Big Band about six months ago, an interview with a Big Band and the opinion was expressed at the time that we may be seeing the end of traditional instruments... [Wistful, concerned expression...] So take a look at this, and don't close your mind to it and think in terms of if you could see something like this in, say, a cocktail lounge. This type of music does not have, you might say, an association with it, it's almost like people who juice their vegetables and fruit, turning it into juice, they eliminate the digestive process. As a result, the stuff dumps right into their bloodstream, and they say this is, of course, very beneficial. Again, this music does not have the normal association with it; as a result, it DUMPS RIGHT INTO YOUR MIND! [Big hand gestures] So it is... it's POWERFUL! And again, don't turn it off; give it a listen and see what you think. Is this gonna be THE FUTURE OF MUSIC?" (That's followed by ten minutes of me looping. The first few minutes is a bit embarrassing, but it gets better when the loopage kicks in, and plays right to the end through the show's credits.) Dumping pureed music right into your mind, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 17:30:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ULTEV08904; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:29:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:29:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630212908.81127.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: where to compress? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F00A1ED.50009@spnz.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Placement-wise, my compressor is the first device in > the analog effects chain. i tried that. i'm using an EBS multicomp stomp box for my bass. i've found that in the beginning of my chain, it defeats the purpose of dynamic based effects like envelope generators and filters. i've been playing around with it after those effects and it seems pretty good...because it brings out those effects and it limits the extreme sounds created by some of my filter devices (i'm a big fan of sweeping the cutoff frequency and turning the resonance up to 11, which can blow most any speaker). > Compression after noisy devices (like my > beloved horrible Danelectro wah) amplifies the noise > to unacceptable levels. people really use those dan electro pedals? i always looked at them as the pedals for a beginner player since you can get a whole set of them for about $100. but then again, there are certain pedals that give sounds that nothing else comes close to and they can be cheapies too! i'd part ways with your noisy dan electro wah...vox and dunlop make fantastic wah pedals and i've even had great success using morley (which seems to be on the not so hot list as far as quality gear goes). wah pedals are under $100 these days and when movie prices are crackin $10 (i live in manhattan), there is little debate as to where the money should go. > Besides, the Oxygen includes a noise gate that works > quite well if i keep the initial noise levels > reasonable. I'm also finding neat effects using > the compressor and its gate along with distortion, > and very light tapping - it makes little explosive > noises that just disappear afterward. It'll take > some time to learn to control this, tho. i bet that sounds interesting. i've always been a fan of working with what you have to find out how it can be incorporated and it seems like you've found that. > The main motivation for getting a compressor was to > even out my fingerpicking tone - bare fingers plus > overdrive equals uneven tone. It matters for > looping only because it makes my tone better in > general. Its other uses, like explosive tapping, > are more a matter of how i abuse effects for my own > nefarious ends than how a more normal musician would > do things. compression is great because it brings out the quieter notes and limits the louder smashed notes. and with filter effects, you can get extreme volume jumps which suck in a loop. > In short, put the compressor first. i disagree. but i think it depends on your setup. i'd say put the compressor wherever you want your tone evened out...could be good in the middle or at the end, or even in the beginning, but i think it is more dependant on what you are using. compressing before an envelope filter defeats its purpose completely. peace and bass, evan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 17:30:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ULTb108977; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:29:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:29:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:27:32 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! In-reply-to: <7459477.1057007703121.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0b4701c33f4e$6cfaf190$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6id4ZB.A.IMC.BvKA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol. looping killed the video star! > > Looping is killing music? And all this time I thought it was > synthesizers that were doing that. No, wait--drum machines. > Or was it electric guitars? Or long hair? Or race music? > Drugs? The flat five? This is all so confusing--can someone > help me out here? (Wistful, concerned expression), > > I will say that if I was you, I'd be sure to sample this > guy's monologue and use it in many future performances, as > you continue to kill music. > > > TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 17:33:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ULUdm09158; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:30:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:30:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <12e.2d3b1ade.2c31f24f@aol.com> Subject: Re: where to compress? Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:19:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C33F12.A1B300D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2003 21:30:31.0340 (UTC) FILETIME=[D53316C0:01C33F4E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C33F12.A1B300D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >hi all, just looking for some opinions on where is the >best place in my chain to compress. i am using a bass >through a mini Q-tron > moogerfooger MF101 > TS9 (tube >screamer) > volume pedal > 2 repeaters. =20 > >i was thinking that compression would be best after >the MF101 since the 101 and Q-tron are dynamic >sensitive effects.=20 So is your distortion pedal. If you put the compression before the = distortion, you'll 'even out' the tone that you get from your = distortion, since the energy of the signal will become more constant. = This can be a good or bad thing - depending on the tone you are looking = for, and how you want the distortion to respond to volume of your = playing, and the sounds you are getting from your envelope filters. Since a compressor is, by definition, a dynamicly sensitive device = itself, if you put the compressor after your volume pedal, you'll get a = sudden drop off when the volume is dropped belw the compressors = threshold. I can't think of many uses for this. > i've been playing around with the >chain, but was just looking for some ideas or >suggestions. You could also place the compressor after everything, on a light = setting. This would all the parts a bit easier to hear in a live = setting, when subtle dynamics would be lost anyway. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the = vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record = collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: Re: where to compress? In a message dated 6/30/03 12:22:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes: hi all, just looking for some opinions on where is the best place in my chain to compress i know very little about compression and i have been wanting to learn = more about it.....anyone care to explain how it's used in their live = looping system.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C33F12.A1B300D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
>hi all,=20 just looking for some opinions on where is the
>best place in my = chain to=20 compress.  i am using a bass
>through a mini Q-tron > = moogerfooger=20 MF101 > TS9 (tube
>screamer) > volume pedal > 2 = repeaters. =20
>
>i was=20 thinking that compression would be best after
>the MF101 since the = 101 and=20 Q-tron are dynamic
>sensitive effects. 
 
So is your distortion pedal. If you put = the=20 compression before the distortion, you'll 'even out' the tone that you = get from=20 your distortion, since the energy of the signal will become more = constant. This=20 can be a good or bad thing - depending on the tone you are looking for, = and how=20 you want the distortion to respond to volume of your playing, and the = sounds you=20 are getting from your envelope filters.
 
Since a compressor is, by definition, a dynamicly = sensitive=20 device itself, if you put the compressor after your volume pedal, you'll = get a=20 sudden drop off when the volume is dropped belw the compressors = threshold. I=20 can't think of many uses for = this.
 
> i've=20 been playing around with the
>chain, but was just looking for some = ideas=20 or
>suggestions.
You could also place the compressor = after=20 everything, on a light setting. This would all the parts a bit easier to = hear in=20 a live setting, when subtle dynamics would be lost anyway.
 
 
bIz
 
------------
http://www.groovetronica.com - = "The=20 beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz = singers from=20 my dad's record collection. It's not for me."
------------
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 = 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: where to = compress?

In a = message dated=20 6/30/03 12:22:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, evanmeyers@yahoo.com=20 writes:


hi all, just looking for some opinions on where is = the
best=20 place in my chain to compress


i know very little = about=20 compression and i have been wanting to learn more about it.....anyone = care to=20 explain how it's used in their live looping system.....michael=20
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C33F12.A1B300D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 17:45:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ULgtd10272; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:42:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:42:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c33f50$9c1ebea0$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <12e.2d3b1ade.2c31f24f@aol.com> <3F00A1ED.50009@spnz.org> Subject: Re: where to compress? Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:43:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8Z4aQ.A.XgC.e7KA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He's using a level-dependent effect first (envelope controlled filters) though, so you've got to have control of amplitude to really get the most out of that. I just suggested wherever sounds the best after his envelope filters and before the volume pedal (i.e. right before or after his distortion box), so you can do cellistic volume swells and stuff into your looper. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Stagner" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Re: where to compress? > Placement-wise, my compressor is the first device in the analog effects > chain. Compression after noisy devices (like my beloved horrible > Danelectro wah) amplifies the noise to unacceptable levels. Besides, > the Oxygen includes a noise gate that works quite well if i keep the > initial noise levels reasonable. I'm also finding neat effects using > the compressor and its gate along with distortion, and very light > tapping - it makes little explosive noises that just disappear > afterward. It'll take some time to learn to control this, tho. > > In short, put the compressor first. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 17:53:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ULoLt10984; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ef.c504fc1.2c320a93@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:50:11 EDT Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ef.c504fc1.2c320a93_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ef.c504fc1.2c320a93_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/30/03 5:16:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > "this _type_ > of music"? perhaps music made by big people?.....m --part1_1ef.c504fc1.2c320a93_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/30/0= 3 5:16:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


"this _type_
of music"?


perhaps music made by big people?.....m --part1_1ef.c504fc1.2c320a93_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 17:58:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ULv9a11398; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:57:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:57:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:55:09 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! In-reply-to: <20030630211604.35958.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0b5301c33f52$46ac7000$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe he really meant "genre" > > Didja notice how the tv commentator said "this _type_ > of music"? I wonder what he meant by that? :-) > > -t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 17:58:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5ULw7Z11485; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:58:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:58:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <105.31ecc3c3.2c320c5d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:57:49 EDT Subject: Re: where to compress? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_105.31ecc3c3.2c320c5d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_105.31ecc3c3.2c320c5d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/30/03 5:30:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes: > compression is great because it brings out the quieter > notes and limits the louder smashed notes. and with > filter effects, you can get extreme volume jumps which > suck in a loop. > so evan, are you saying that a compressor put after a filter fx (electrix filter factory) will tame the effect from those awful volume changes.....now that would be wonderful.....michael --part1_105.31ecc3c3.2c320c5d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/30/0= 3 5:30:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes:


compression is great because it= brings out the quieter
notes and limits the louder smashed notes.  and with
filter effects, you can get extreme volume jumps which
suck in a loop.


so evan, are you saying that a compressor put after a filter fx (electrix fi= lter factory) will tame the effect from those awful volume changes.....now t= hat would be wonderful.....michael --part1_105.31ecc3c3.2c320c5d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 18:09:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UM7Tx12457; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:07:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:07:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <4F10C845-AB39-11D7-9C2B-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Joshua Redman and the Repeater Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:07:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2003 22:07:23.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBBD2BA0:01C33F53] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > reverbed noise art, ok stop, and we're back to jazz. My take is that > > this is because Sam Yahel has not taken the step of bringing the > looping rack, nord, and bass synth into the organ rig. you will > _always_ get that jarring style clash when switching instrument rigs > like that mid-set. well Joshua had full access to the electronics all the time, and he only used his rack to make "sounds" in between songs. He didn't really integrate it into his ensemble playing at all (at the show I saw!) > > some basslines - there's no bass player in that band and he was playing > > basslines all night. Unfortunately, both his basslines and his > > comping/soloing suffered - its hard to play interesting basslines > > i must disagree, his playing did _not_ suffer because of the "division > of attention" (as Fripp calls it). Bass-playing organists (or "jazz You are right of course! To my ear I just felt a lot missing when he went over to his electro rig and played left hand basslines with some patch that had no definition whatsoever - coulda been the sound design at the show I was at too. When he took solos on the electro rig, I could just tell he was capable of so much more! His B3 playing was fine though. anyway, my point was, I think that this band is one to watch out for in the future and they're just starting to scratch the surface of what they might achieve with looping. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 18:21:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UMK7L13827; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:20:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:20:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630222001.19754.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: where to compress? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <105.31ecc3c3.2c320c5d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > so evan, are you saying that a compressor put after > a filter fx (electrix filter factory) will tame the > effect from those awful volume changes.....now that > would be wonderful.....michael as far as my understanding of compression...you bet! i have a filter factory and i'll have to try it out with the compressor after it in the signal chain, but essentially, the compression evens everything out. it boosts your lower signal sounds and cuts your extreme sounds. granted it won't be totally even, but the way it works is that once you hit a note...if it is above your set threshold, it will increase 1 db for ever 5 db and so on. so if your effect raises the volume by 20 dbs with this kind of ration, you are looking at a jump of only 4. but this is also where you encounter those squished sounding compressions. it is very tough to use compression effectively with extreme volume changes...and i've rarely seen anyone do it perfectly. but ideally, yes...you can save your speakers from your filter factory with a compression unit after the ff and before your speaker. thanks for all of the help thus far! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 19:16:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5UNDBc18868; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:13:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:13:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030630231310.57672.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <155.20653e5d.2c31f99d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <33XtAB.A.rmE.HQMA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > michael peters reviewed in WIRE, tim nelson on t.v.....see if they "kick sand > in our faces anymore!".....LOOPIN IS TAKIN OVER!.....ITS EVERYWHERE!.....and > we can prove it.....:)m Yeah! NO more dining at Weenie Hut, Jr! gh __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 20:11:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h610Al124034; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:10:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:10:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030701001046.95424.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd have them put a Chinese-style dragon on mine. :) Paolo --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > if i could play a frettless instument w/o lines and > i had a "custom job" done > up, i would have them put all manner of willy nilly > lines all over the neck, > zig-zags, lightning.....really make them > wonder.....:).....michael > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 30 21:31:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h611Tde30615; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:29:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:29:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <158.20a0a6af.2c323df7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:29:27 EDT Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_158.20a0a6af.2c323df7_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_158.20a0a6af.2c323df7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/30/03 7:13:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > Yeah! NO more dining at Weenie Hut, Jr! > yeah! we'll be loopin there!.....its a tusnami of loops i tell ya!.....michael --part1_158.20a0a6af.2c323df7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/30/0= 3 7:13:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:


Yeah! NO more dining at Weenie=20= Hut, Jr!


yeah! we'll be loopin there!.....its a tusnami of loops i tell ya!.....micha= el --part1_158.20a0a6af.2c323df7_boundary--