From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 01:03:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4151Br15856; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 01:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030430215339.014bd698@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:00:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: 10K Pot In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Rice made an EB pedal work for his EDP - it was a 25K, I think. I can't remember what it was that we did to get it working right, but it was simple. Steve might remember. -Hans At 19:37 30/04/2003, you wrote: >-----Original Message----- > >Is there a volume pedal commercially available that has a 9 or 10k pot, >suitable for use with the EDP? >I am reposting this since I forget the K! >BTW, I called Ernie Ball today, and they don't make a replacement pot with >the right value--their replacement is 25K . . . > >Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 03:36:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h417YFn24217; Thu, 1 May 2003 03:34:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 03:34:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.38d423b0.2be227f1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 03:34:09 EDT Subject: RE: Pedal Response with Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Huh...spot the obvious error > I think matthias suggested 2 ways to improve the pedal for > EDP use. > 1) solder a 10k resistor across the pot (or both of them for stereo) that should be 25K , not 10K > 2) parallel the 2 pots.(connect each tab on the right ch pot to the > corresponding one on the left ) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 03:47:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h417k3N24955; Thu, 1 May 2003 03:46:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 03:46:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030501002750.046730f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 00:46:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Pedal Response with Echoplex In-Reply-To: <1d7.85324c2.2be18a42@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:21 PM 4/30/2003, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >(none other than Kim himself says):- > > I use the Boss FV-50L pedal, it works fine and controls the volume >properly > > as it should. > >I kind of remember a debate about this from way back. >Don't have time to battle the archives, so I'm relying on >memory here ;-( > >The result seemed to be that the EDP had been designed to >work with a 9K ohm sweep in resistance, it can be as high as 14k. One I just tried here required 13K to just barely hit full feedback. You would want more than that to have some headroom so you know when you are safely at 100%. >so that you could use a 10k pot (with 10% tolerance) and still >get 100% feedback. or not. >The FV-50L is 25K ohm and hence there's quite a good >proportion of it's sweep that doesn't do anything. It's 20k. >It's quite hard to set the feedback to an accurate number >on the display using the FV-50L. For me it uses 72% of the throw for the full feedback range. (just measured it.) Since I like to have a good size zone at the top of the range that I know is absolutely 100%, that is about perfect. If you recommend a pedal that has a 10k pot, it will not work for a lot of people. If you recommend a pedal with a 50k or 100k pot, there will hardly be any useable range. That is why we have long recommended the 20k Boss. We know it works on every unit across various component tolerances, and it has a reasonable range of use. The EB with 25k would be pretty close and probably work fine. you could always try soldering different resistor values across the pedal output (parallel with the internal resistance) to see if you can find a range that makes you happier. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 09:42:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41DeaV18019; Thu, 1 May 2003 09:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 09:39:35 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Howie Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <622A9A13.73528938.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/30/2003 6:04:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > just been listening to his set in the Morning Becomes > Eclectic archive - > www.kcrw.org - Excellent link, my good man. Other's owe it to themselves to hear how well this young man, Howie, harmonizes, creates percussion, sings and strums--live. Impressive. I like how he says he "discovered" the Beatles when he was 15, in the '90s. That's reassuring. Ya know, the influence of mastery is timeless. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:01:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41E0LI19506; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200304301529.AA864026684@mail.unitcircle.com> References: <200304301529.AA864026684@mail.unitcircle.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:59:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: multi-effects Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com note: thanks to dcoffin for his post on "amp modelers vs. amp modelers". a very helpful post (for me) from the vg-8 list serve. thanks! kevin-i don't know how it compares to the quadraverb, but i really like my lexicon mpx100, now discontinued, but the new version is the mpx110. i think the mpx100 is a real workhorse for (my) studio work for both guitar and voice stuff. i've seen the mpx100's in the used range around 100$ (give or take), and the 110 is 199$ new (i believe). good range of reverbs, delays, and combining of effects (flange,chorus,pitch) w/ delay or reverb. granted, you can't chain together 8 or 9 effects like some of the other multi-effect units, but the ones they offer are very good, at a decent price. s--- >My treasured Quadraverb V2 is dead. I was thinking about trying to >get another one on Ebay, but then I started wondering if the state >of the art hasn't improved in the last six years. So I'm asking for >people's favorite multi-effects. > >My needs: >Digital In/Out >Flexible Programability, but not too complicated (I want to be able >to edit without a computer attached) >Good Midi implementation >Good reverb >Rack Mounted (this will live in my studio most if not all the time) >Reasonably priced (sorry, can't affored Eventide or Kyma) > >I already have: >Ensoniq DP/4+ >Korg DL8000R >Korg AM8000R >Alesis Wedge >Yamaha SPX/90 > >Any suggestions? > >thanks, > > Kevin -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:11:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41EAaB20712; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:10:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:10:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 10:08:52 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: looping in LA To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <013c01c30feb$31c2ff60$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3p3hgbbv/GvbBHHBIno81A)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_3p3hgbbv/GvbBHHBIno81A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT http://www.calendarlive.com/printedition/calendar/cl-et-woodard29apr29.story My review is down at the bottom. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db --Boundary_(ID_3p3hgbbv/GvbBHHBIno81A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
 
My review is down at the bottom.
 
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
--Boundary_(ID_3p3hgbbv/GvbBHHBIno81A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:23:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41ELi221851; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:21:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:21:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 10:18:41 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Baldwin Looping Tonight? To: Clayton Gary Lehmann , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005201c30fec$e85b4560$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alas, I loop alone at the moment, at my instruction studio after everyone else leaves. I am constructing a new rig and practicing a two- to three-hour set of material, but I've promised myself not to (re)start my live looping/soundscape performances until I complete the book I'm under contract to write. Thanks for asking. Just by the way, I'm out on eastern Long Island, New York, and I see NO SIGN of any looping activity posted here for points east of Manhattan. I wonder: Are there any loop/ambient/soundscape people on Lawn Guyland - esp. Suffolk county? If you be out there, gimme a holler! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:24:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41EO3q22184; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:24:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:24:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:25:03 -0400 Subject: mpx 100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is it dig in and out? On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > but i really > like my lexicon mpx100, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:25:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41EPFp22383; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:24:48 -0400 Subject: Boston Cyberarts Festival Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-477444583 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <5Dxqa.A.DdF.04Ss-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-477444583 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hope to see any of you Bostonians at this gig. As you may know, I loop=20= not guitars, etc., but effects devices themselves. Ellen Band uses=20 real world sounds like rain, swing sets, trains, and creaking doors. =20 It makes a real nice mix. We'll have a CD released on the Pogus label=20= next year. The Institute of Contemporary Art, The BCMA, and The Boston Cyberarts=20 Festival present: David Lee Myers and Ellen Band Place: Institute of Contemporary Art Theater =A0=A0=A0955 Boylston Street =A0=A0=A0=A0Boston Time:=A0 7:00 PM Date:=A0 Sunday, May 4th Tickets:=A0 $12 general admission: $10 students/seniors/ICA=20 members/Cyberarts Festival passholders. Tickets available in advance at=20= Twisted Village, 12 Eliot Street, Cambridge (617.354.6898) Performances by Ellen Band and David Lee Myers blend sonic environments=20= and specialized electronic circuitry. Myers generates his signature=20 "Feedback Music" using custom-built devices that "sing their own=20 songs". The resulting sounds represent nothing other than the free=20 circulation of electrons within, prompting one observer to describe=20 them as arising "from the ether". Band carefully builds swirling layers=20= of sonorous, textural, tone/noise clusters by mixing and processing=20 lengthy samples from her field recordings of real-world sounds. Though=20= their individual working styles are very different, their combined=20 effort yields lush sonic densities that continually pulse and morph=20 while complimenting and contrasting each other's sonic expression. David Lee Myers is a sound and visual artist living in New York City.=A0=20= He has produced music based on feedback principles since 1987, using=20 his unique "feedback machines".=A0 As Arcane Device, and more recently=20= under his own name, Myers has had two dozen recordings released by=20 Generator, ReR, Silent, RRRecords, Staalplaat, and many other=20 international labels. Project=A0 collaborators have included Asmus=20 Tietchens (Germany), Thomas Dimuzio (USA), and Vidna Obmana (Belgium).=A0=20= All have resulted in recent CD releases.=A0 Using his portable feedback=20= apparatus, Myers continues to perform in the U.S. and Europe. Website: www.pulsewidth.com Sound artist and composer, Ellen Band creates works for performance,=20 sound installation, and sound sculpture.=A0 Her CD of sound art work, = 90%=20 Post Consumer Sound on XI Records, NYC, has received worldwide airplay=20= and numerous reviews in publications such as: WIRE (London, England);=20 and Playboy Magazine. She is currently working on a public art sound=20 installation for The Institute of Contemporary Art/Vita Brevis, Boston=20= that will open in the fall of 2003 in several locations in Boston. She=20= was a featured sound artist this February in WGBH's monthly series,=20 "Greater Boston Arts". Her work has been presented in North America and=20= Europe including: New York City; Cologne, Germany; Toronto, Canada;=20 Chicago; Oakland, CA; Austria; and Dortmund, Germany. In 1997, American=20= Composers Forum awarded her a Composers Commissioning Award. She taught=20= sound art at the School of the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston (1994-1997=20= and 2002) and the Massachusetts College of Art (1994). She was an=20 artist in residence (1996) at Mills College Center for Contemporary=20 Music, Oakland, CA. Website:=A0 www.ellenband.com= --Apple-Mail-2-477444583 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hope to see any of you Bostonians at this gig. As you may know, I loop not guitars, etc., but effects devices themselves. Ellen Band uses real world sounds like rain, swing sets, trains, and creaking doors. It makes a real nice mix. We'll have a CD released on the Pogus label next year. The Institute of Contemporary Art, The BCMA, and The Boston Cyberarts Festival present: David Lee Myers and Ellen Band Place: Institute of Contemporary Art Theater =A0=A0=A0955 Boylston Street =A0=A0=A0=A0Boston Time:=A0 7:00 PM Date:=A0 Sunday, May 4th Tickets:=A0 $12 general admission: $10 students/seniors/ICA members/Cyberarts Festival passholders. Tickets available in advance at Twisted Village, 12 Eliot Street, Cambridge (617.354.6898) Performances by Ellen Band and David Lee Myers blend sonic environments and specialized electronic circuitry. Myers generates his signature "Feedback Music" using custom-built devices that "sing their own songs". The resulting sounds represent nothing other than the free circulation of electrons within, prompting one observer to describe them as arising "from the ether". Band carefully builds swirling layers of sonorous, textural, tone/noise clusters by mixing and processing lengthy samples from her field recordings of real-world sounds. Though their individual working styles are very different, their combined effort yields lush sonic densities that continually pulse and morph while complimenting and contrasting each other's sonic expression. David Lee Myers is a sound and visual artist living in New York City.=A0 He has produced music based on feedback principles since 1987, using his unique "feedback machines".=A0 As Arcane Device, and more recently under his own name, Myers has had two dozen recordings released by Generator, ReR, Silent, RRRecords, Staalplaat, and many other international labels. Project=A0 collaborators have included Asmus Tietchens (Germany), Thomas Dimuzio (USA), and Vidna Obmana (Belgium).=A0 All have resulted in recent CD releases.=A0 Using his portable feedback apparatus, Myers continues to perform in the U.S. and Europe. Website: www.pulsewidth.com Sound artist and composer, Ellen Band creates works for performance, sound installation, and sound sculpture.=A0 Her CD of sound art work, 90% Post Consumer Sound on XI Records, NYC, has received worldwide airplay and numerous reviews in publications such as: WIRE (London, England); and Playboy Magazine. She is currently working on a public art sound installation for The Institute of Contemporary Art/Vita Brevis, Boston that will open in the fall of 2003 in several locations in Boston. She was a featured sound artist this February in WGBH's monthly series, "Greater Boston Arts". Her work has been presented in North America and Europe including: New York City; Cologne, Germany; Toronto, Canada; Chicago; Oakland, CA; Austria; and Dortmund, Germany. In 1997, American Composers Forum awarded her a Composers Commissioning Award. She taught sound art at the School of the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston (1994-1997 and 2002) and the Massachusetts College of Art (1994). She was an artist in residence (1996) at Mills College Center for Contemporary Music, Oakland, CA. Website:=A0 www.ellenband.com= --Apple-Mail-2-477444583-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:28:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41ERgb22896; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:29:03 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Ian Popperwell Subject: O.T. Footswitches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <047141927140153PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I managed to get hold of a Philip Rees MM5 MIDI Foot controller. I'm having it built into a larger casing with better spread out switchesand we're having difficulty in finding the right foot switches to replace the small/flimsy existing ones. I need 5 heavy duty single pole non-latching changeover foot switches. The engineer who's rebuilding it for me can't find a source for a non-latching changeover FS. Can anybody help please. Thanks. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:36:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41EYf123371; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:34:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:34:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 10:24:10 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 To: stanitarium@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007001c30fee$bc160a60$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lwkioo8TuNhI9kp7j/xIpA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_lwkioo8TuNhI9kp7j/xIpA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: PSP42 versus PCM42Yo Mr. Stanasaurus FX= Any chance you could fax/snail ME a copy of that PCM42 manual? I bought my unit used, and tho' 'tis Selloon-modded, I'd like the original documentation. E-mail me privately, and I'll send my address(es). Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net --Boundary_(ID_lwkioo8TuNhI9kp7j/xIpA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: PSP42 versus PCM42
Yo Mr. Stanasaurus FX=
    Any chance you could fax/snail ME a copy of that PCM42 manual? I bought my unit used, and tho' 'tis Selloon-modded, I'd like the original documentation. E-mail me privately, and I'll send my address(es).
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
--Boundary_(ID_lwkioo8TuNhI9kp7j/xIpA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 11:41:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41FeXt30031; Thu, 1 May 2003 11:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:39:56 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP input/output discrepancy... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002501c30ee5$04a02690$bf08fc0c@amd> Message-Id: <290CB3FA-7BEB-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <0JQeiC.A.QUH.N_Ts-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's probably the result of the latency of the EDP and what ever other digital devices you might have in the change. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 11:52 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > Also, check out this WAV file graphic. > http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/wave.jpg This is from the > output of > the EDP. The first half is the input signal (distorted electric bass) > being > recorded, and the second half is the EDP's version of it. It's almost > an > identical replica, but inverted. Is this normal? And, if so, why? > > -J > > P.S. My server has been intermittent lately, so I hope it's up > if/when you > decide to check the graphic out. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 11:42:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41Ff5C30087; Thu, 1 May 2003 11:41:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:41:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <133.1f1e0fcb.2be299db@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:40:11 EDT Subject: Re: looping in LA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h41FebB30039 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, Congratulations! Your reviewer was Josef Woodard who writes for a number of prominent music mags in addition to the L.A. Times. He is also a good personal friend and no slouch around a guitar himself (we used to do gigs together). He's also Pat Metheny's reviewer of choice. It seems Mr. M. won't do music mag interviews anymore unless they hire Josef to do 'em. Anyway, it sounds like he enjoyed the show. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 12:14:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41GCZs00797; Thu, 1 May 2003 12:12:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:12:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:11:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Howie Day Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5qN8uB.A.JL.JdUs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this mirrors my thoughts when i saw him on carson d. one of my reactions was, "i wonder how many young musicians were watching this, saw the wonderful loop things he was doing live, and it gets them to thinking about how to use 'looping' for their own purposes in the future." just curious to see the future folks like us who say, "yea, yrs ago i saw howie day on carson daily, and it got me going..." ...like when i first heard DT in the late 80's, couldn't really process it, moved on w/ life... read about him again in 2000 (as well as fripp) and it got me thinking......pursuing new avenues, etc.... s--- > I saw that Carson Daly performance, and it was funny how my reaction went >from my usual cynical dismissal. " Oh no, Here's another pretty boy >singer/songwriter with an expensive haircut singing an average song," to," >Hey cool, he's showing some Michael Hedges acoustic swerve", to, " Holy >S**t he's looping his parts!",to "Wow, he's looping his voice and using >amazing ambience processing!" He won me over with his artful ingenuity. >He's a little mainstream, for my personal taste, put I sure do appreciate >his talent, looping panache. For that alone, I'd like to catch him live. >The bottom line for me these days other than taste is, is he gonna stand up >to clear channel, or is he a product of clear channel (LOL) >Bill -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 12:18:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41GIDS01323; Thu, 1 May 2003 12:18:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:18:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030501161735.60820.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Howie Day To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9bFNa.A.OT.hiUs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Scott Hansen wrote: > this mirrors my thoughts when i saw him on carson d. one of my > reactions was, "i wonder how many young musicians were watching this, > saw the wonderful loop things he was doing live, and it gets them > to thinking about how to use 'looping' for their own purposes in > the future." just curious to see the future folks like us who > say, "yea, yrs ago i saw howie day on carson daily, and it got me > going..." Unfortunately, unless you already know something about looping, watching someone stepping on a box while a sound plays may not trigger a connection in their mind. They could be thinking those are just stomp boxes and the sound is coming from samples or backing tracks. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 12:23:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41GMuU01760; Thu, 1 May 2003 12:22:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:22:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:22:08 -0400 Subject: Re: shipping from u.s.a. to italy...suggestions? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <019501c2c19e$437d16a0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3VmC2C.A.Ua.ymUs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com airborne express... much better, much cheaper... t. On 1/21/03 5:41 PM, "jimfowler" wrote: > i sold my lexicon to a person in italy. fedex and ups are ridiculously > expensive (both around 200 bucks) and usps is anywhere from 42 bucks to 160. > is this a no-brainer or is there something i should know about usps. > > anybody sent stuff to italy (or internationally in general)before and have > some suggestions? > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 12:24:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41GOAG01941; Thu, 1 May 2003 12:24:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:24:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:23:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: OT: mpx 100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's stereo ins and outs, but i believe it has only a digital out. when they first came out ('99?), i think it was advertised that it could be used as a digital converter, etc but i've never used it, i just use the effects in my rack, it's my last effect in my chain going to my digital recorder. i've read reviews (h-c.com) where i think people complain that it has no digital in, but i think that's b/c of it's low price, and what they can offer in features at that low price, etc. s--- >is it dig in and out? > > >On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > >>but i really >>like my lexicon mpx100, -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 13:10:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41H9YJ05895; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:09:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:09:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:08:49 -0400 From: Mooveetoon@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: shipping from u.s.a. to italy...suggestions? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <68D888B4.2A31C9C5.0C32E62B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Jim, Please also be sure to include a commercial invoice (and about 3 copies) showing a value for the item so that it clears customs. Whichever shipper you use should be able to give you instructions but basically it should be on some kind of stationery with your address etc. and showing the receiver's address with a detail of the item and a value. I suggest undervaluing so that it will reduce the amount of duties the receiver will have to pay (you could probably get away with giving it a value of about $100). Also, if you have any friends that work for companies that do a large amount of shipping, they may be able to send it through their company's account number and you pay him. For example, the place I work for gets a 65% discount from Fed-Ex so if I shipped it, it probably would cost more than about $75. Good luck, Adam Kane In a message dated 5/1/2003 11:22:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd reynolds writes: >airborne express... much better, much cheaper... > >t. > >On 1/21/03 5:41 PM, "jimfowler" wrote: > >> i sold my lexicon to a person in italy.  fedex and ups are ridiculously >> expensive (both around 200 bucks) and usps is anywhere from 42 bucks to 160. >> is this a no-brainer or is there something i should know about usps. >> >> anybody sent stuff to italy (or internationally in general)before and have >> some suggestions? >> >> -jim >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 13:27:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41HPTg07269; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:25:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:25:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.13c6025a.2be2b259@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:24:41 EDT Subject: RE: Pedal Response with Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim corrected > >The FV-50L is 25K ohm and hence there's quite a good > >proportion of it's sweep that doesn't do anything. > > It's 20k. duh...just measured mine again , it's 17.4K. (the little pot at the side wasn't on zero when I measured 25K) I'd been using that pot somewhat above zero to try and increase the amout of useful pedal travel, by setting it so that heel down is only just zero. Looks like it then increases the ineffective area at the toe down end. (lately I've been using MIDI control anyway, but now I'll try the FV-50L again) oh yeah....and thanks for the info andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 13:33:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41HWNN07854; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:32:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:32:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:27:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: shipping from u.s.a. to italy...suggestions? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:22 PM -0400 5/1/03, todd reynolds wrote: >airborne express... much better, much cheaper... I feel I should mention that my violist partner lost her instrument when we shipped it via Airborne to its maker in Bern. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 13:46:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41Hea908958; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030501173955.33733.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: shipping from u.s.a. to italy...suggestions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <68D888B4.2A31C9C5.0C32E62B@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I > suggest undervaluing so that it will reduce the > amount of duties the receiver will have to pay (you > could probably get away with giving it a value of > about $100). this is a really risky move. sure you'll save a few buck on customs, however, if the unit is damaged or even worse, never shows (yes, it does happen - all of the time)...you'll only receive what you declared in insurance. it is sort of a catch 22, but i'd go with the real cost just to be sure that you don't lose out. evan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:03:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41HtvL10423; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:55:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:55:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EB15EF0.90DC5AA9@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 10:52:48 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boston Cyberarts Festival References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fascinating, David! I find the music very beautiful. It's often reminiscent of simple, relatively primitive instruments like the berimbau or even tambourine, ironically enough. I've been having some fun in this direction myself. I recently bought what I think is the holy grail of four-tracks for the cassette looping I do, a Tascam 464, which has 12 inputs (four of them stereo), two effects sends, and the smoothest punch in/out I've heard yet. (for $30!) I've set it up so my three echo units all are able to send feedback to themselves through the mixer. This has great possibilities for onanistic (literally) noise generations, combined with my cheap-ass Ibanez DE7 echo pedal, which produces fantastic digital noise when sweeping the delay and feedback knobs rapidly back and forth. There's something very pure, yet totally impure about it. Kudos for a truly original approach. The "Feedback workstation", yeah! Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > Hope to see any of you Bostonians at this gig. As you may know, I loop not guitars, etc., but effects devices themselves. Ellen Band uses real world sounds like rain, swing sets, trains, and creaking doors. It makes a real nice mix. We'll have a CD released on the Pogus label next year. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:17:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41IFPb12238; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:15:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030501111045.045bcec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:15:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: shipping from u.s.a. to italy...suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:27 AM 5/1/2003, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 12:22 PM -0400 5/1/03, todd reynolds wrote: >>airborne express... much better, much cheaper... > >I feel I should mention that my violist partner lost her instrument when >we shipped it via Airborne to its maker in Bern. >-- forget about overseas, I've had Airborne repeatedly lose shipments to me from inside the US. I never use them anymore. On the other hand, the good old US postal service has successfully made hundreds of shipments for me over the past year, both in the country and out, and never lost anything. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:22:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41ILNH12956; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030501111602.04480ec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:21:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Howie Day In-Reply-To: <20030501161735.60820.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:17 AM 5/1/2003, Greg House wrote: >--- Scott Hansen wrote: > > this mirrors my thoughts when i saw him on carson d. one of my > > reactions was, "i wonder how many young musicians were watching this, > > saw the wonderful loop things he was doing live, and it gets them > > to thinking about how to use 'looping' for their own purposes in > > the future." just curious to see the future folks like us who > > say, "yea, yrs ago i saw howie day on carson daily, and it got me > > going..." > >Unfortunately, unless you already know something about looping, watching >someone >stepping on a box while a sound plays may not trigger a connection in >their mind. >They could be thinking those are just stomp boxes and the sound is coming from >samples or backing tracks. at the concert I saw, thousands of Tori Amos fans seemed to figure it out just fine. They listened raptly and gave him a big ovation afterwards. the music was good, and they liked it. My girlfriend said there was some confusion on the tori discussion lists about how the looping worked, but people there set it straight. It wasn't a big deal at all. People get technology in music. The younger they are the better they get it. You guys sure are good at inventing obstacles for yourselves. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:23:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41IMpP13191; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:22:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:22:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: illness@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:33:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike iLL Subject: Shameless Self Promotion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey y'all, been on this list for a little while and y'all are very generous with your time and energy. Our act uses two vocalists, danelectro (1969) guitar and roland groovebox MC505. i just put a few MP3's up on our site and wanted to invite you to check it out. The tunes are produced by Chris Frantz and Tina Weymouth. thanks. mike -- Mad haPPy http://www.madhappy.tv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:39:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41IcqZ15048; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:38:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:38:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c601c31010$aee88120$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: Shameless Self Promotion Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:37:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mike i like allot. very cool different style rap stuff. really dug mad happy. thanks for the heads up, peace jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike iLL To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: Shameless Self Promotion > hey y'all, > > been on this list for a little while and y'all are very generous with > your time and energy. > > Our act uses two vocalists, danelectro (1969) guitar and roland > groovebox MC505. > > i just put a few MP3's up on our site and wanted to invite you to check it out. > > The tunes are produced by Chris Frantz and Tina Weymouth. > > thanks. > > mike > -- > Mad haPPy > http://www.madhappy.tv > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41IjfV15810; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:45:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:45:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:44:35 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Howie Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <397E85F9.74069E26.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/1/2003 1:21:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > You guys sure are good at inventing obstacles for > yourselves. Yeah...but... are they invented or inventions? Hmmm? I mean, what if they're not really obsacles but are just things that get in the way??? See? Now everything will change and nothing is anything (except for some). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:51:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41IoxI17355; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:49:42 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Power MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <648AB055.1B9CDC1B.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Question about power: If you have two one-hundred watt amps blasting away, does this add up to two-hundred watts? So would 6.6 15 watt amps do what one one-hundred watt amp does? (Assuming they're all class A, point to point, identical specs., etc.) I'm just wondering how some of those walls of amps I see behind, say, Brian May or Edward VanHalen work, in terms of power. Not an engineer, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:58:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41Ivk818399; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:57:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:57:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: USPS for Shipping--Yeah! Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:57:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030501111045.045bcec0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim F. said: forget about overseas, I've had Airborne repeatedly lose shipments to me from inside the US. I never use them anymore. On the other hand, the good old US postal service has successfully made hundreds of shipments for me over the past year, both in the country and out, and never lost anything. kim I use USPS whenever possible--just sold my D Two on eBay for $300 and I'm gonna try to use them to ship if I can. I have a lot of faith in the Post Office--plus the SD County distribution center is 3 miles from my house. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 15:05:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41J4kR19200; Thu, 1 May 2003 15:04:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:04:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <648AB055.1B9CDC1B.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: Power Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:03:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2003 19:03:47.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[652F87F0:01C31014] Resent-Message-ID: <9NnfoD.A.zqE.Z-Ws-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They usually aren't turned on :> bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: Power > Question about power: If you have two one-hundred watt amps > blasting away, does this add up to two-hundred watts? So would > 6.6 15 watt amps do what one one-hundred watt amp does? (Assuming they're all class A, point to point, identical specs., etc.) > > I'm just wondering how some of those walls of amps I see behind, say, Brian May or Edward VanHalen work, in terms of power. > > Not an engineer, > Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 15:27:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41JQbE21334; Thu, 1 May 2003 15:26:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:26:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20030501173955.33733.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: shipping from u.s.a. to italy...suggestions? Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:25:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2003 19:25:59.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E9A00A0:01C31017] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whatever you do, please, please insure it for full value! And don't pack it in a way that looks like its valuable. About a year ago, my company shipped a $25K machine in a nice wooden crate with UPS and insured it for $100 only to save money. UPS claimed that they had lost it, and it was never found so they paid out the $100. A year later one of our customers called us to tell us that they just bought it on Ebay for $1000. It turns out that UPS "loses" warehouses full of packages all the time, and they sell of the whole warehouse to a third party liquidator every once in a while. And its totally legal because once UPS has paid out the insured value, they become the legal owner of the package if it is ever found. We had absolutely no legal recourse. Please, don't make this mistake. Jon > I > > suggest undervaluing so that it will reduce the > > amount of duties the receiver will have to pay (you > > could probably get away with giving it a value of > > about $100). > > this is a really risky move. sure you'll save a few > buck on customs, however, if the unit is damaged or > even worse, never shows (yes, it does happen - all of > the time)...you'll only receive what you declared in > insurance. it is sort of a catch 22, but i'd go with > the real cost just to be sure that you don't lose out. > > evan > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 15:59:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41Js9l24620; Thu, 1 May 2003 15:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:54:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20030501173955.33733.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:47:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: shipping from u.s.a. to italy...suggestions? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:25 PM -0700 5/1/03, Jon Wagner wrote: >Whatever you do, please, please insure it for full value! And don't pack it >in a way that looks like its valuable. Very good advice. Our viola was packed in a likely-looking wooden crate and wasn't insured with Airborne because it was already on our policy. We recovered from our own insurance company but were promptly cancelled after that. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 16:10:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41KA7Z26434; Thu, 1 May 2003 16:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 16:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030501200936.76623.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Howie Day To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030501111602.04480ec0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > at the concert I saw, thousands of Tori Amos fans seemed to figure it out > just fine. They listened raptly and gave him a big ovation afterwards. the > music was good, and they liked it. My girlfriend said there was some > confusion on the tori discussion lists about how the looping worked, but > people there set it straight. It wasn't a big deal at all. People get > technology in music. The younger they are the better they get it. That's cool, I'm glad to hear that. > You guys sure are good at inventing obstacles for yourselves. Maybe it just takes some of us longer to figure things out. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 17:04:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41L3s030883; Thu, 1 May 2003 17:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030501210309.88644.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Power To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <648AB055.1B9CDC1B.007D6382@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8pbtnC.A.1hH.TuYs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > Question about power: If you have two one-hundred > watt amps blasting away, does this add up to two->hundred watts? Nope. It works on a logarithm; an increase in apparant loudness of a mere three decibels requires doubling the power. But two 100 watt amps are still two 100 watt amps. You can make an amp *seem* more powerful by increasing the power at the front end, being careful of course not to induce unwanted distortion. > I'm just wondering how some of those walls of amps I > see behind, say, Brian May or Edward VanHalen work, > in terms of power. That's mostly for reasons other than power, including: 1) Looks. In the early days, Kiss used to tour with a wall of empty Marshall cabs, using one or two real ones. 2) Sound spread, to be able to hear oneself from many points across a large stage. Eddie Van Halen has been quoted as saying he liked to feel his pants legs ripple in front of his cabinets. And his bassist Michael Anthony has been quoted as saying he didn't even like to go over onto that side of the stage because it was so painfully loud. 3) Separation of a complex signal. Brian May's wall of AC30s allowed him to send the different delayed signals from his tape echoes to different amps to avoid having them mush all together into mud. (This reason is the most applicable to us as loopers...) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 17:45:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41LhV201882; Thu, 1 May 2003 17:43:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:43:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f801c3102a$9899e840$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: Subject: Re: USPS for Shipping--Yeah! Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 22:42:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had stuff usps to England, no problems at all much better and cheaper than UPS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: USPS for Shipping--Yeah! > Kim F. said: > > forget about overseas, I've had Airborne repeatedly lose shipments to me > from inside the US. I never use them anymore. On the other hand, the good > old US postal service has successfully made hundreds of shipments for me > over the past year, both in the country and out, and never lost anything. > kim > > > I use USPS whenever possible--just sold my D Two on eBay for $300 and I'm > gonna try to use them to ship if I can. I have a lot of faith in the Post > Office--plus the SD County distribution center is 3 miles from my house. > > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 17:53:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41LqOZ02828; Thu, 1 May 2003 17:52:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:52:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 17:53:12 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: looping in LA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03ca01c3102c$10287c40$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <133.1f1e0fcb.2be299db@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > David, > > Congratulations! Thanks Ted! >Your reviewer was Josef Woodard who > writes for a number of prominent music mags in addition > to the L.A. Times. He is also a good personal friend and > no slouch around a guitar himself (we used to do gigs > together). He's also Pat Metheny's reviewer of choice. > It seems Mr. M. won't do music mag interviews anymore > unless they hire Josef to do 'em. Anyway, it sounds like > he enjoyed the show. Yes he did. I didn't know who he is! I found his web site and he's done quite a bit of writing over the years. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db np: Mississippi Muddy Waters Live From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 19:10:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41N8rs09903; Thu, 1 May 2003 19:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008e01c31036$7ec7af40$0100a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <00f801c3102a$9899e840$6401a8c0@p4> Subject: Re: USPS for Shipping--Yeah! Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 00:07:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As far as receiving in London, I can also attest to UPS's quality of delivery. Of course if you don't put "no commercial value" - not on the insurance form but on the package itself - the receiver will have to pay the draconian duty the UK charges. I had to pay £70 once for a coat sent to me by my parents for a Christmas gift, just because they didn't write "no commercial value" on it. But anyway! About UPS' delivery here: We used to have a really nasty house porter in the block we live in, I mean nasty! The old bastard would sometimes open packages, besides refusing to allow delivery people into the block unless the receiver gave him a fiver or something more. What can ya say, the corrupt old fraud also had a hand in a few burglaries here as well, amongst other unbelievable stuff that we got him nuked for eventually. It was commonplace to have packages delivered to you days after they'd actually arrived. The things some folks put up with! To UPS' and the delivery guy's credit, when the package was brought to the block, and Old Brown was there in his way, he refused to hand over the package, and demanded that I be called up on the house system so I could come down and sign for the package. When I got down there, Old Brown (all 6'5" of him) was seething and red as a beet in his little office, and the delivery guy was sweating, but wouldn't hand it over to him no matter what. So say Yes to UPS. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Swain" To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 22:42:PM Subject: Re: USPS for Shipping--Yeah! > I've had stuff usps to England, no problems at all much better and cheaper > than UPS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:57 PM > Subject: USPS for Shipping--Yeah! > > > > Kim F. said: > > > > forget about overseas, I've had Airborne repeatedly lose shipments to me > > from inside the US. I never use them anymore. On the other hand, the good > > old US postal service has successfully made hundreds of shipments for me > > over the past year, both in the country and out, and never lost anything. > > kim > > > > > > I use USPS whenever possible--just sold my D Two on eBay for $300 and I'm > > gonna try to use them to ship if I can. I have a lot of faith in the Post > > Office--plus the SD County distribution center is 3 miles from my house. > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 19:30:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41NTEp12263; Thu, 1 May 2003 19:29:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:29:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Hoby Ebert" To: "LoopersDelightlist" Subject: RE: mpx 100 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:32:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used the mpx100 as my digital converter for several months. It is, in fact, only digital out. It is a simple matter to set the unit so that the S/PDIF passes dry, unaffected signal rather than dry signal plus effects. hoby -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hansen [mailto:scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: mpx 100 it's stereo ins and outs, but i believe it has only a digital out. when they first came out ('99?), i think it was advertised that it could be used as a digital converter, etc but i've never used it, i just use the effects in my rack, it's my last effect in my chain going to my digital recorder. i've read reviews (h-c.com) where i think people complain that it has no digital in, but i think that's b/c of it's low price, and what they can offer in features at that low price, etc. s--- >is it dig in and out? > > >On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > >>but i really >>like my lexicon mpx100, -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 19:48:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41NloH13568; Thu, 1 May 2003 19:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:47:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: multi-effects Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 01:49:02 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c3103c$3eb57f30$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3CRaX.A._SD.IIbs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin, did you take a look at TC's Fireworx? To perform a requirements analysis: >Digital In/Out Yes. You get AES/EBU (XLR jacks), SPDIF (RCA and optical jacks) and ADAT/TOS. Formats include (if I remember correctly) everything you will most probably need, except for 96kHz. >Flexible Programability, but not too complicated (I want to be able to edit without a computer attached) Flexible? Yes, absolutely. Especially compared to what I remember from the expensive Lexicon's manuals, you have the freedom to arrange your effect blocks in a grid with parallel/serial architecture, feedback loops and even an external insert to your liking. The flexibility is only limited by the processor's power (which may already seem a little weak given today's DSP standards, but I'd call it sufficient for a stereo in/out device). I did all of my editing without a computer, and every function is accessible without a computer. There is a very powerful implementation of what TC calls the "modifier matrix", i.e. assignment of control sources and destinations, which is (in conjunction with the lots of possible sources and destinations) one of the most impressive features of the Fireworx. >Good Midi implementation What do you want to do with MIDI? The Fireworx has all the usual features (i.e. patch selection via MIDI and sysex dump), plus the possibilty to assign up to eight external controller sources on different channels to control stuff (-> sources for the modifier matrix). And you can edit the transfer characteristics of these controllers (linear, exp, or whatever). And sync to MIDI clock works great, even with unstable clocks (a la repeater). >Good reverb The algorithms are based on the TC M5000. Some people do not seem to like them. For me, they are good enough. > >Rack Mounted (this will live in my studio most if not all the time) Yes. >Reasonably priced (sorry, can't affored Eventide or Kyma) Define "resonable". It's going ~1700-1800 if I remember correctly, so it's cheaper than an Eventide. The Fireworx is really cool for lots of crazy things, based on 1) the modifier matrix, 2) the choice of algorithms. You get all the usual stuff (reverbs, delays, modulated delays and filters (chorus, flanger, phaser (4-12 stage),...), multi-voice resonant and formant filters, the best digital distortion I know, a fine vocoder/ring modulator, pitch shifter and a synth. Using the modifier matrix, you can create self-tracking vocoders (your mic signal goes into the Fireworx and feeds the Vocoder's analyze input. The pitch of the signal is detected and feeds a synth block, which goes into the Vocoder's carrier). And you can do dynamic distortion, and a-la-tape-delay effects, and... If it's in your price range, get it. You will not understand how you were able to live with your Quadraverb for so long. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 20:54:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h420rj421258; Thu, 1 May 2003 20:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c31045$09b2b380$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: video clips of my looping stuff... Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 01:51:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, just done a major website redesign (three days of coding and learning what css is about!) - and also uploaded two .mov video clips of me from a gig here in London back in march - all looping as always... cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 21:17:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h421FoO24656; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:15:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 21:15:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <160.1fbc9b3e.2be3209f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 21:15:11 EDT Subject: brotherhood of the bass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i recall reading a post within the past few daze about "GUITAR" players picking up the "BASS" and doing something weird that a real genetic bass player would not do.....could i be further enlightened on this because i was thinking of picking up a bass myself (being a GUITAR player i really dont want to piss anyone else off.....everyone hates GUITAR players to begin with).....:).....ive only played bass several times and i loved it strictly for the "feeling" (a powerful monster sound "feeling" that you will not get from a "GUITAR") it was sooooo bassy).....i mean no disrespect to bassists but i often thought that some of you sounded like GUITAR players.....of course this is always while they were (OT) LOOPIN.....:)michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 21:30:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h421TSA25807; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 21:29:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EB1CD3D.D4146F49@jps.net> Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:43:26 -0700 From: Dan Shapiro Reply-To: Clearlight888@yahoo.com Organization: PT MEDIA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass References: <160.1fbc9b3e.2be3209f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a reason for bass players sometimes souding like guitar players; the instrument you are talking about is the bass guitar; it is capable to filling numerous roles as counterpoint, harmony and soloist. Anyone who plays bass is playing bass because they are "thinking bass". It is an elusive thing shared by composers, pianists and other countermelodists. Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i recall reading a post within the past few daze about "GUITAR" players > picking up the "BASS" and doing something weird that a real genetic bass > player would not do.....could i be further enlightened on this because i was > thinking of picking up a bass myself (being a GUITAR player i really dont > want to piss anyone else off.....everyone hates GUITAR players to begin > with).....:).....ive only played bass several times and i loved it strictly > for the "feeling" (a powerful monster sound "feeling" that you will not get > from a "GUITAR") it was sooooo bassy).....i mean no disrespect to bassists > but i often thought that some of you sounded like GUITAR players.....of > course this is always while they were (OT) LOOPIN.....:)michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:05:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4224tb29757; Thu, 1 May 2003 22:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 22:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:04:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Power Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5FB87A56-7C42-11D7-9D96-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This reminds me of the bass player we had that would bring a full Ampeg SVT rig to small bars. He'd have his signal going into a DI box as well. While he wasn't looking I'd turn his rig down to 0, but what was coming through the monitors was plenty. One day I didn't get a chance to turn it back up after we were done and he noticed. He looked at me and said, "Well what do you know, I wasn't even coming out of my amps." I laughed and told him what I did every gig. After that he bought a tube preamp and a few small monitors and we never brought the SVT out again. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 12:03 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > They usually aren't turned on :> > > bIz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:49 AM > Subject: Power > > >> Question about power: If you have two one-hundred watt amps >> blasting away, does this add up to two-hundred watts? So would >> 6.6 15 watt amps do what one one-hundred watt amp does? (Assuming >> they're > all class A, point to point, identical specs., etc.) >> >> I'm just wondering how some of those walls of amps I see behind, say, > Brian May or Edward VanHalen work, in terms of power. >> >> Not an engineer, >> Paul >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:09:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4229SS31123; Thu, 1 May 2003 22:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 22:09:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:08:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Howie Day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030501111602.04480ec0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <09AABF93-7C43-11D7-9D96-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll tell you, I went and found a bunch of Howie Day stuff (live and studio) on Limewire and it was worth every dime. I can't for the life of me see what people see in him. Different strokes I guess... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:59:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h422xPF04517; Thu, 1 May 2003 22:59:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 22:59:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c31056$955344c0$9263f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305012310.h41NAhW10234@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: shipping from US to Italy: some suggestions Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:57:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought two repeaters for Italian loopers and had the good folks at Alto Music take care of the shipping for me. I've done a lot of business with them in the name of the looping community (bought a butt load of repeaters when they blew them out cheap-------wish I had bought myself a replacement, but that's another story) so you might get somewhere mentioning my name. I had no problems and the shipping seemed pretty quick. Best of Luck, yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 00:16:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h424EKP11113; Fri, 2 May 2003 00:14:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 00:14:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030502041349.73145.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 21:13:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <160.1fbc9b3e.2be3209f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_-5Qr.A.KtC.DCfs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > ive only played bass several times > and i loved it strictly > for the "feeling" (a powerful monster sound > "feeling" that you will not get > from a "GUITAR") it was sooooo bassy).....i mean no > disrespect to bassists > but i often thought that some of you sounded like > GUITAR players..... i'd say that the ol' saying that every bassist wishes they were a guitarist has rapidly changed over to every guitarist wishes they were a bassist. go ahead, the room may quake, but those booties will shake. trade in your twangy guitar for a massive bass! bass is the place...e v a n __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 01:04:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4253mK15150; Fri, 2 May 2003 01:03:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 01:03:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EB1CD3D.D4146F49@jps.net> References: <160.1fbc9b3e.2be3209f@aol.com> <3EB1CD3D.D4146F49@jps.net> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 22:03:03 -0700 To: Clearlight888@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:15 PM -0400 5/1/03, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >i recall reading a post within the past few daze about "GUITAR" players >picking up the "BASS" and doing something weird that a real genetic bass >player would not do..... At 6:43 PM -0700 5/1/03, Dan Shapiro wrote: >There is a reason for bass players sometimes souding like guitar players; the >instrument you are talking about is the bass guitar; it is capable to filling >numerous roles as counterpoint, harmony and soloist. Anyone who plays bass is >playing bass because they are "thinking bass". It is an elusive >thing shared by composers, pianists and other countermelodists. I started out as a singer and rhythm guitarist, and when I became an electric bassist by default in my last rock band (1978-79) I naturally approached the instrument in a very rhythmic fashion. It was also natural to do this because it was a punk band. Everything was fast and "white." I played with a pick and used a Kramer with a very snarly sound. The advantage (for me) of coming to bass from rhythm guitar rather than lead is that I was not inclined to play elaborate melodic lines or flashy riffs. I stuck to the root a good deal of the time and listened to the drums. As a singer and songwriter I was also keenly aware of vocal phrasing and song structure, so I kept my parts well integrated. It also helped that I didn't have amazing chops, so I played it safe and solid (something I've wished some of my bassists would have done). Having done that, and then having spent a number of years collaborating with a "real" bassist (meaning one who performs as a soloist on acoustic contrabass) I have a real appreciation for the difference between bass guitar and "bass." The latter instrument in the right hands can cover most of the range of the violin family and can function as a percussion instrument as well. It has to be one of my favorite instruments. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 01:53:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h425rAH19100; Fri, 2 May 2003 01:53:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 01:53:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 22:52:31 -0700 Subject: Browser support From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been notified that in regard to: http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg Where I posted the Loopstock 2003 pictures: > the other two links dont work on my MacOS9 / IE5.1 :-( > they change the font but nothing comes In case others are dealing with this and care, I replied: Hmm. I didn't try that combination. They work great on MacOS X with Safari and reasonably well with IE and Navigator on MacOS X and Windows XP. The mp3 files buried under the links are at: http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg/ashesrain.32k.mp3 and http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg/loopstock2002.32k.mp3 There is also a no-UI (also loopless) sound sample (also from my CD) that should play automatically upon connecting: http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg/darkwatercoda.32k.mp3 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 02:51:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h426mpw22693; Fri, 2 May 2003 02:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 02:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 22:31:19 -0700 From: glenn Subject: [LD] prefab loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any prefab sprout/ Paddy McAloon fans, here's 1 hour of interviews in real audio format. First clip he talks about using loops: http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=2771 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 04:33:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h428WGM28475; Fri, 2 May 2003 04:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 04:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 01:30:25 -0700 Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <160.1fbc9b3e.2be3209f@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i recall reading a post within the past few daze about "GUITAR" players > picking up the "BASS" and doing something weird that a real genetic bass > player would not do.....could i be further enlightened on this because i was > thinking of picking up a bass myself (being a GUITAR player i really dont > want to piss anyone else off.....everyone hates GUITAR players to begin > with).....:).....ive only played bass several times and i loved it strictly > for the "feeling" (a powerful monster sound "feeling" that you will not get > from a "GUITAR") it was sooooo bassy).....i mean no disrespect to bassists > but i often thought that some of you sounded like GUITAR players.....of > course this is always while they were (OT) LOOPIN.....:)michael > i'm happy to say i use a bass signal w/ 99% of my guitar loops- i just need to hear that boom -dont really know nothin about playin a real bass-but i do know 'root-5th root-5th root-5th :-) i use a whammy pedal-1 octave down patch which i see the guy from 'whitestripes' has stolt from me... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 05:15:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h429FEj30808; Fri, 2 May 2003 05:15:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:15:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c3108b$41486d30$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <160.1fbc9b3e.2be3209f@aol.com> <3EB1CD3D.D4146F49@jps.net> Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 03:14:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bass is where it's at. The bridge between melody, harmony, and rhythm. "Where's the cellist?" Nah, sorry, that was my volume pedal and my C string. I take your CMA7 chord, put an A in the bottom and you're in AMI9ville. Or maybe I'll put an F down there and take you to FMA9(#11)land. Come along, little doggie. Anthony Jackson is the king of bass reharmonization. I love the albums he's on with Steve Khan and Dennis Chambers ("Crossings" and "Headline"). Steve plays all these ambiguous fourthy voicings, so Anthony does these great reharmonizations all the time. My ghost notes thud around and masquerade as a conga player. Bass is the bomb. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 05:24:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h429OVE31404; Fri, 2 May 2003 05:24:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 05:24:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:23:55 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_brotherhood_of_the_bass?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R29 (B54 pl1) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.116.121.248 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h429O2B31343 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great records!!! Steve and Anthony really orchestrate harmony. Steve would play a quartal voicing from Ab melodic minor and Anthony a G7 tritone (F and B) to get a a G7 altered...together. very cool Italo Bass is where it's at. The bridge between melody, harmony, and rhythm. "Where's the cellist?" Nah, sorry, that was my volume pedal and my C string. I take your CMA7 chord, put an A in the bottom and you're in AMI9ville. Or maybe I'll put an F down there and take you to FMA9(#11)land. Come along, little doggie. Anthony Jackson is the king of bass reharmonization. I love the albums he's on with Steve Khan and Dennis Chambers ("Crossings" and "Headline"). Steve plays all these ambiguous fourthy voicings, so Anthony does these great reharmonizations all the time. My ghost notes thud around and masquerade as a conga player. Bass is the bomb. ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 10:45:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42EiWJ21539; Fri, 2 May 2003 10:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.38235ab0.2be3de1e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:43:42 EDT Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h42EhtB21430 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 5/1/03 10:04:26 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >Having done that, and then having spent a number of years >collaborating with a "real" bassist (meaning one who performs as a >soloist on acoustic contrabass) I have a real appreciation for the >difference between bass guitar and "bass." I have to agree. The two are very different. That's why, in a performance I am organizing later this month (plug to come later) there will be BOTH a member of my li'l ensemble playing electric bass guitar AND another playing acoustic upright contrabass. They both have their distinct places and uses . . . and . . . sometimes they work pretty nicely together too. Now if I could just find a good tuba player nearby . . . heheh. On the "guitarist trying to play bass" thread. I have to agree too. I'm a pretty bad bassist (and I mean that in the old lingo where bad equals bad, not bad equals cool) myself. I don't actually think I'm all that good at guitar either, but that's another story (LOL). However, when I remember to keep it simple and follow the drum loop and/or drummer, I think I have done okay when I have had to "pinch hit" on bass. I own an old Yamaha bass. But, often as not I use a GK-2 equipped Dano baritone to play bass stuff via a Roland synth. I especially love the fretless patch with a little of the baritone sound mixed in. While I'll never be a Steve Lawson or a Max Valentino (to be sure), still it's booty shakin' fun nonetheless -- and makes me appreciate those guys who know how to do it right even more. I just don't see being "bad" at something as any reason to give up and/or not play what interests me. At 50 years old (in a few days), I am still trying to learn new things. Like they say: "move forward or die." Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 10:59:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42EwMe22801; Fri, 2 May 2003 10:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:58:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <148.109875bb.2be3e172@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:57:54 EDT Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_148.109875bb.2be3e172_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_148.109875bb.2be3e172_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/2/03 4:32:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > i use a whammy pedal-1 octave down patch stan.....i also have used a -1octave patch, i think this just wet my whistle.....mayhaps its the bass (GUITAR) and the bass (GUITAR) amp that creates that "feeling", the boom of doom in da room.....nah, i really dont want to be a bass (GUITAR) player, i want to be a TANGO DANCER.....:)michael p.s. speaking of that .....has anyone seen the flick ASSASINATION TANGO, i think thats the name of it, it has robert duvall in it.....is it (the movie) about ASTRUD PIAZOLLA (sp) the tango composer?.....i LOVE his music!.....years ago when i first heard his work and learned a little about him, i thought, what a great movie his life would make and what a great soundtrac the movie would have..... --part1_148.109875bb.2be3e172_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/2/03= 4:32:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:


i use a whammy pedal-1 octave d= own patch


stan.....i also have used a -1octave patch, i think this just wet my whistle= .....mayhaps its the bass (GUITAR) and the bass (GUITAR) amp that creates th= at "feeling", the boom of doom in da room.....nah, i really dont want to be=20= a bass (GUITAR) player, i want to be a TANGO DANCER.....:)michael
p.s. speaking of that .....has anyone seen the flick ASSASINATION TANGO, i t= hink thats the name of it, it has robert duvall in it.....is it (the movie)=20= about ASTRUD PIAZOLLA (sp) the tango composer?.....i LOVE his music!.....yea= rs ago when i first heard his work and learned a little about him, i thought= , what a great movie his life would make and what a great soundtrac the movi= e would have..... --part1_148.109875bb.2be3e172_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 11:29:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42FSBP25235; Fri, 2 May 2003 11:28:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:28:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:27:23 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass/base MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1IzLG.A.vIG.q5os-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man I can fully relate...I'm awful on the bass, but I like playing it. I've been a guitarist forever and I just don't think like a bass player. I can't begin to figure out how they phatten it up and put those notes precicely where they belong, good bassists, that is. I'm way to hyper. My buddy plays piano well and is a decent bassist too. A little fumbly, but at least he "thinks" in terms of his left hand on a piano and can put that into the room. But I like playing it, and when I back myself up with bass in a multi-track situation, it sounds pretty hip, but that is if you like hyper bassists to begin with. What's up with local ads asking for "base guitar player"? I've seen it more than once. Is this somekind of new lingo for bassist? or are they ads written by folks who don't know their homophones (or homographs for that matter)? Good bassists kick ass. In a message dated 5/2/2003 9:43:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina writes: > > Subj: Re: brotherhood of the bass > Date: 5/2/2003 9:43:42 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > Hi all, > > In a message dated 5/1/03 10:04:26 PM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > > >Having done that, and then having spent a number of years > >collaborating with a "real" bassist (meaning one who performs as a > >soloist on acoustic contrabass) I have a real appreciation for the > >difference between bass guitar and "bass." > > I have to agree. The two are very different. That's why, in a > performance I am organizing later this month (plug to come later) > there will be BOTH a member of my li'l ensemble playing electric > bass guitar AND another playing acoustic upright contrabass. > They both have their distinct places and uses . . . and . . . sometimes > they work pretty nicely together too. Now if I could just find a good > tuba player nearby . . . heheh. > > On the "guitarist trying to play bass" thread. I have to agree too. > I'm a pretty bad bassist (and I mean that in the old lingo where > bad equals bad, not bad equals cool) myself. I don't actually think > I'm all that good at guitar either, but that's another story (LOL). > However, when I remember to keep it simple and follow the drum > loop and/or drummer, I think I have done okay when I have had to > "pinch hit" on bass. > > I own an old Yamaha bass. But, often as not I use a GK-2 equipped > Dano baritone to play bass stuff via a Roland synth. I especially love > the fretless patch with a little of the baritone sound mixed in. While > I'll never be a Steve Lawson or a Max Valentino (to be sure), still it's > booty shakin' fun nonetheless -- and makes me appreciate those > guys who know how to do it right even more. > > I just don't see being "bad" at something as any reason to give up > and/or not play what interests me. At 50 years old (in a few days), > I am still trying to learn new things. Like they say: "move > forward > or die." > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > ArsOcarina@aol.com > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 11:38:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42FcBu26431; Fri, 2 May 2003 11:38:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:38:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030502153739.22424.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Power To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030501210309.88644.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > I'm just wondering how some of those walls of amps I > > see behind, say, Brian May or Edward VanHalen work, > > in terms of power. > > That's mostly for reasons other than power, including: > 1) Looks. In the early days, Kiss used to tour with a > wall of empty Marshall cabs, using one or two real > ones. Yep, apparently a lot of bands did this. I've even seen cabinet blanks being sold. It's a speaker cabinet box, with no speakers. The front board isn't even cut for them. Apparently it saved on cost and weight to make 'em that way. > 2) Sound spread, to be able to hear oneself from many > points across a large stage. Eddie Van Halen has been > quoted as saying he liked to feel his pants legs > ripple in front of his cabinets. Man. It's a wonder the guy can still hear ANYTHING. I was doing sound for a band not long ago and their stage volume was so loud that it literally distorted my vision when I went to stage to check out their monitors. Yow! > 3) Separation of a complex signal. Brian May's wall of > AC30s allowed him to send the different delayed > signals from his tape echoes to different amps to > avoid having them mush all together into mud. (This > reason is the most applicable to us as loopers...) It's probably also to get additional sounds, since the AC30 has both a cool overdrive and a great clean sound, but it doesn't have multiple channels, so if you want instant access to both, you need two amps. I know people like Eric Johnson and Stevie Ray Vaughn had lots of amps on stage, but it was for the variety. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 11:57:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42Fr9M28054; Fri, 2 May 2003 11:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:52:37 -0700 Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7d.38235ab0.2be3de1e@aol.com> Message-Id: <18D08FC9-7CB6-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe this is part of the issue, as I can never seem to really feel the groove well when using my GK-2 to drive a synth. Not sure what it is, but if I'm looking for nice punchy basslines it's got to be a real bass. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, May 2, 2003, at 07:43 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I own an old Yamaha bass. But, often as not I use a GK-2 equipped Dano > baritone to play bass stuff via a Roland synth. I especially love the > fretless patch with a little of the baritone sound mixed in. While From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 12:32:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42GVTc32411; Fri, 2 May 2003 12:31:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:31:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7d.38235ab0.2be3de1e@aol.com> References: <7d.38235ab0.2be3de1e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:30:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Having done that, and then having spent a number of years >>collaborating with a "real" bassist (meaning one who performs as a >>soloist on acoustic contrabass) I have a real appreciation for the >>difference between bass guitar and "bass." > >I have to agree. The two are very different. That's why, in a >performance I am organizing later this month (plug to come later) >there will be BOTH a member of my li'l ensemble playing electric >bass guitar AND another playing acoustic upright contrabass. That's also why, back in 1977, I decided to build myself an electric upright bass and try to have it both ways. It's still my main instrument, although I like playing together with other basses as well. I just finished building a custom pickup so it can drive a Roland V-Bass, and now I have it all three ways! The tracking and many of the sounds work amazingly well. It even has a clean *octave down for the bass strings* so I can play along with the mobile subwoofer cars, you know the ones where you can only identify the source of that rumbling by observing the vibrating reflections of streetlights in the car windows. Woof! Just make sure if you're an upright playing along with a bass guitar, or along with yourself in loops, that you can play in tune! -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 12:39:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42Gctg00723; Fri, 2 May 2003 12:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:38:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> References: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:38:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass/base Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What's up with local ads asking for "base guitar player"? I've seen >it more than once. Is this somekind of new lingo for bassist? or are >they ads written by folks who don't know >their homophones (or homographs for that matter)? > Reminds me of a headline I once saw and wish I had saved: "Bush to shut down Contra bases". What's next, the Kyoto Accordion? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 12:47:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42GjoS01518; Fri, 2 May 2003 12:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <148.109875bb.2be3e172@aol.com> References: <148.109875bb.2be3e172@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:44:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1160228572==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1160228572==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:57 AM -0400 5/2/03, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >ASTRUD PIAZOLLA (sp) the tango composer?.....i LOVE his music!..... Astor Piazzolla, not to be confused with Astrud Gilberto. http://www.piazzolla.org/ http://www.astrudgilberto.com/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1160228572==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: brotherhood of the bass
At 10:57 AM -0400 5/2/03, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

ASTRUD PIAZOLLA (sp) the tango composer?.....i LOVE his music!.....

Astor Piazzolla, not to be confused with Astrud Gilberto.

http://www.piazzolla.org/

http://www.astrudgilberto.com/
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--============_-1160228572==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 12:59:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42GwVd04070; Fri, 2 May 2003 12:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:58:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> References: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:52:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass/base Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3Fm5e.A.Q-.ZOqs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:27 AM -0400 5/2/03, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: >I've been a guitarist forever and I just don't think like a bass player. Something I forgot to mention from my own experience: I did a lot of choral singing at one point, as a member of the bass section. This also helped train my listening and harmonic concept. It also helped that this was during my college music studies, when I was also studying harmony and counterpoint. Later during this period (and concurrent with my punk bass stint) I was part of a West African percussion ensemble and had another look at and listen to the way the "big sounds" support the "little sounds." I've also grown to think of equivalences between rock and classical instrumental function. Violins are like lead guitars. Violas are like rhythm guitars. Cellos and basses are like...you get the idea. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 12:59:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42GwYP04077; Fri, 2 May 2003 12:58:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:58:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18D08FC9-7CB6-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <18D08FC9-7CB6-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:53:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:52 AM -0700 5/2/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Maybe this is part of the issue, as I can never seem to really feel >the groove well when using my GK-2 to drive a synth. Not sure what >it is, but if I'm looking for nice punchy basslines it's got to be a >real bass. I have a Peavey Cyberbass, which has wired frets and much quicker tracking. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 13:18:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42HCcv06342; Fri, 2 May 2003 13:12:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:12:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: moltress.darkcanvas.com: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:11:05 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@moltress cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: brotherhood of the bass In-Reply-To: <18D08FC9-7CB6-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 2 May 2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Maybe this is part of the issue, as I can never seem to really feel the > groove well when using my GK-2 to drive a synth. Not sure what it is, > but if I'm looking for nice punchy basslines it's got to be a real bass. > > Mark Sottilaro Mark: Have you tried the Roland V-Bass? I'm using a GK-2-equipped Chapman Stick (and an Eagle 6-string fretless bass I installed the GK-2B that came with the V-Bass as my backup instrument) to drive a Roland V-Bass. Since the V-Bass is related to the VG-8/88s, there's no MIDI conversion/tracking issues as there are with the GR-30/GR-33 family. If you haven't tried one, it might be worth your time to check out one. Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 14:13:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42ICXj12405; Fri, 2 May 2003 14:12:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:12:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Shameless Self Promotion Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:15:08 -0400 Organization: Loudcloud, Inc. Message-ID: <002401c310d6$c769a0a0$9940a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mike, Dirty Sweet Tunes. I really got into Kid Ginseng's scratching, how'd you end up hooking up with him? Does he do any looping in his scratching? As a scratch-looper, I'm always looking to see what others are doing and where the next direction is going. I'm going to try to catch your 5/12/03 Galaxy Hut, Arlington VA show. I live about 30 min's from there. Take care, D Dylan DeAnda EDS Automated Operations + A good pun is it's own reword. + dylan@loudcloud.com + 703-742-1133 -----Original Message----- From: Mike iLL [mailto:illness@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Shameless Self Promotion hey y'all, been on this list for a little while and y'all are very generous with your time and energy. Our act uses two vocalists, danelectro (1969) guitar and roland groovebox MC505. i just put a few MP3's up on our site and wanted to invite you to check it out. The tunes are produced by Chris Frantz and Tina Weymouth. thanks. mike -- Mad haPPy http://www.madhappy.tv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 14:13:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42ICvi12445; Fri, 2 May 2003 14:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:12:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Shameless Self Promotion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9E59E126-7CC9-11D7-8267-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <39TyqD.A.kBD.MUrs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice stuff! Reminds me of Whale, who's latest album has been in my car for a while. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 11:33 AM, Mike iLL wrote: > > -- > Mad haPPy > http://www.madhappy.tv > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 14:20:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42IJQu13267; Fri, 2 May 2003 14:19:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:19:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:18:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: brotherhood of the bass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8252F3B7-7CCA-11D7-8267-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-QFK_C.A.cOD.Kars-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I have not even heard of the Roland V-bass, but it sounds interesting. Here's my deal though, when I play I like to have one good instrument at my disposal and now have to think about changing around too much. Having a bass on a Grace stand works pretty well, but it's a little awkward sometimes. I must admit I'm having better luck with bass and midi since I abandoned the GR-30 and replaced it with a Yamaha G50. It seems faster in the conversion dept and seems better at dynamics too, which is a big part of it for me. I have been thinking about picking up a used VG-8 or VG-88, but I've been a bit broke lately. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, May 2, 2003, at 10:11 AM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Maybe this is part of the issue, as I can never seem to really feel >> the >> groove well when using my GK-2 to drive a synth. Not sure what it is, >> but if I'm looking for nice punchy basslines it's got to be a real >> bass. >> >> Mark Sottilaro > > Mark: > > Have you tried the Roland V-Bass? I'm using a GK-2-equipped Chapman > Stick > (and an Eagle 6-string fretless bass I installed the GK-2B that came > with > the V-Bass as my backup instrument) to drive a Roland V-Bass. Since the > V-Bass is related to the VG-8/88s, there's no MIDI conversion/tracking > issues as there are with the GR-30/GR-33 family. If you haven't tried > one, > it might be worth your time to check out one. > > Steve Burnett > Subscape Annex > http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 15:29:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42JS8421038; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c310e0$912a67e0$cd635cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #319 for May 1, 2003 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:24:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C310BE.FD439040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C310BE.FD439040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #319 May 1, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on the Sombient Drone Series, a trilogy of releases that codify the definition of dark ambient. The = Featured CD at Midnight was disk one of "A Storm of Drones" from the Sombient = Drone Series on the Sombient label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Interface" by Heldon on the Cobra = label. Sombient Drone Series - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#may PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Heldon Bal-a-Fou Interface (Cobra) Ricochet Musos Untitled Monday Night Ricochet Gathering 2003 = Raw Encore by AirSculpture Recodings Xeroid Entity Iapetus Moons of Saturn = (Electro-Music Recordings) Arcane The Plastic Eaters Future Wreck (Neu = Harmony) Der Sypra Non Disperdere Nell' Future of the Past = (Manikin) Ambiente Part I VA [Robert Normandeau] Tangram A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) 12:00 am VA [Dennis Smalley] Valley Flow A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) VA [Francic Dhomont] Marine A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) VA [Patrick Ascione] Lune Noire A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) VA [Annette Gorne] Terre A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) VA [Francic Dhomont] Il Ritorno A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) VA [Stephane Roy] Crystal Music A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) VA [Gilles Gobeil] La Ou Vont Les Nuages... A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) VA [Mario Rodigue] Cristeaux Liquides A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) VA [Jonty Harrison] Hot Air A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) VA [Paul Dolden] Veils * A Storm of Drones = (Sombient) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Sombient = Drone Trilogy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk two from "A Storm of = Drones" on the Sombient label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "The Planets" by Tomita on RCA Red = Seal. I will also play the music of Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece = Company who will be appearing at the Gatherings concert series on May 10. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C310BE.FD439040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #319       =20             May 1, = 2003.
 

RECAP:
On this show, I began a month-long focus on the = Sombient=20 Drone Series, a
trilogy of releases that codify the definition of = dark=20 ambient.  The Featured
CD at Midnight was disk one of "A Storm = of=20 Drones" from the Sombient Drone
Series on the Sombient label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Interface" by Heldon on the = Cobra=20 label.
 
Sombient Drone Series - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#may
=
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
Heldon          &= nbsp;      =20 Bal-a-Fou          &nbs= p;    =20 Interface (Cobra)
Ricochet=20 Musos          Untitled = Monday=20 Night    Ricochet Gathering 2003=20 Raw
           =              = Encore by AirSculpture     Recodings
Xeroid=20 Entity          =20 Iapetus           =       =20 Moons of Saturn=20 (Electro-Music
         &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;    =20 Recordings)
Arcane        &nbs= p;        =20 The Plastic Eaters       Future Wreck (Neu = Harmony)
Der=20 Sypra           &n= bsp;  =20 Non Disperdere Nell'     Future of the Past=20 (Manikin)
          =             &= nbsp;  =20 Ambiente Part I
VA [Robert Normandeau] =20 Tangram           =       =20 A Storm of Drones (Sombient)
 
12:00 am
VA [Dennis Smalley]     Valley=20 Flow           &nb= sp; =20 A Storm of Drones (Sombient)
VA [Francic Dhomont]   =20 Marine           &= nbsp;      =20 A Storm of Drones (Sombient)
VA [Patrick Ascione]    = Lune=20 Noire           &n= bsp;  =20 A Storm of Drones (Sombient)
VA [Annette = Gorne]     =20 Terre           &n= bsp;       =20 A Storm of Drones (Sombient)
VA [Francic Dhomont]    = Il=20 Ritorno           =    =20 A Storm of Drones (Sombient)
VA [Stephane=20 Roy]       Crystal=20 Music            = A Storm=20 of Drones (Sombient)
VA [Gilles Gobeil]      = La Ou=20 Vont Les Nuages... A Storm of Drones (Sombient)
VA [Mario=20 Rodigue]      Cristeaux=20 Liquides       A Storm of Drones = (Sombient)
VA=20 [Jonty Harrison]     Hot=20 Air           &nbs= p;     =20 A Storm of Drones (Sombient)
VA [Paul=20 Dolden]        Veils=20 *            =      =20 A Storm of Drones (Sombient)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 the Sombient Drone
Trilogy.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be = disk=20 two from "A Storm of Drones"
on the Sombient label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "The Planets" by Tomita on = RCA Red=20 Seal.
 
I will also play the music of Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece = Company
who will be appearing at the Gatherings concert series on May = 10.
 
Bill
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C310BE.FD439040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 16:04:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42K45Q25612; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:03:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: brotherhood of the bass Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Have you tried the Roland V-Bass? I'm using a GK-2-equipped Chapman Stick >(and an Eagle 6-string fretless bass I installed the GK-2B that came with >the V-Bass as my backup instrument) to drive a Roland V-Bass. Since the >V-Bass is related to the VG-8/88s, there's no MIDI conversion/tracking >issues as there are with the GR-30/GR-33 family. If you haven't tried one, >it might be worth your time to check out one. I just mentioned, I have a V-Bass on my electric upright and really like it. I didn't know you could put the pickup on a Stick. (have an old one of those too). If you wouldn't mind sharing a little more info about how you got that set up, I'd really appreciate it. thanks! -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 16:49:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42KgbC30143; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:42:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:42:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:11:10 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: V-Bass, was Re: brotherhood of the bass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <2CBa8B.A.yVH.Ngts-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 2 May 2003, Alex Stahl wrote: burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >Have you tried the Roland V-Bass? I'm using a GK-2-equipped Chapman Stick > >(and an Eagle 6-string fretless bass I installed the GK-2B that came with > >the V-Bass as my backup instrument) to drive a Roland V-Bass. Since the > >V-Bass is related to the VG-8/88s, there's no MIDI conversion/tracking > >issues as there are with the GR-30/GR-33 family. If you haven't tried one, > >it might be worth your time to check out one. > > I just mentioned, I have a V-Bass on my electric upright and really > like it. I didn't know you could put the pickup on a Stick. (have an > old one of those too). If you wouldn't mind sharing a little more > info about how you got that set up, I'd really appreciate it. Alex: Of course: I sent my Chapman Stick to Emmet Chapman and he installed it for me :). There's a narrow groove he routed into the Stick body just below the jack end of the diagonal pickup case. The groove is horizontal (that is, perpendicular to the strings). The setup's sort of tricky because of the close tolerances I'm told. Stick Enterprises has a page about the modified GK-2AH and its installation, complete with some good photos, at http://www.stick.com/instruments/midi/gk2a/ that will answer more of your questions than I can. When I walked into a Mars Music that had a Roland V-Bass system on display, the only adjustment I had to make to the V-Bass was to set its sensing from four strings to six :). I tend to run the output from the Stick pickups and the output from the V-Bass into a small mixer, or an even smaller Whirlwind ABY switchbox, in order to allow me to more easily mute one or the other. If you have any other questions, please ask, although possibly off-list as this is diverging from looping. I had a local tech install the GK-2B pickup on an Eagle (sort of uncommon, not high end, Swedish maker) 6-string fretless bass so I'd have a backup GK-equipped instrument to use with the V-Bass or GR-30 - the Eagle got it because the other basses I have are either not designed for the GKs (Ashbory reissue rubberband, Zeta upright) or are notrepeatnot getting drilled (original Ampeg Scroll bass). [obLoop: used both a Headrush and a Repeater in my show last night, although not at the same time - just didn't work out that way.] best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 17:05:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42L5It00337; Fri, 2 May 2003 17:05:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:05:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Re: brotherhood of the bass Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [80.58.38.107] Message-Id: <20030502210444.0CE4A394C@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h42L4jB32719 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that's the issue, what to do with an instrument like my tsg-8? play guitar, bass, both ... none? just play it ! cheers, raül _____________________________________________________________ fighting for independence? - incorporate online, simple and inexpensive: http://www.ad-free.info/incorporatestart.htm hate online advertising? we answer the call: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/aboutus.aspx _____________________________________________________________ if somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our anti-spam policy here: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/spaminfo.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 20:43:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h430gDe20365; Fri, 2 May 2003 20:42:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:42:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 17:42:11 -0700 Subject: OT: DG-Stomp (almost on topic: UD-Stomp) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These both seem to have disappeared at American Musical Supply. Guitar Center was blowing out the DG-Stomp recently. The AG-Stomp is still available from AMS. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 21:15:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h431EPJ22940; Fri, 2 May 2003 21:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: UD-Stomp Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:14:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I saw Allan Holdsworth a few months ago, he was using the UDs (two of em--had nice li'l cases for 'em too) to great effect-- Pun intended-- G -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:42 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: OT: DG-Stomp (almost on topic: UD-Stomp) These both seem to have disappeared at American Musical Supply. Guitar Center was blowing out the DG-Stomp recently. The AG-Stomp is still available from AMS. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 23:56:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h433t5h04022; Fri, 2 May 2003 23:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 23:55:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c31127$a023bfc0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: OT - pete cornish effects - VERY COOL! Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:53:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <8GtXjB.A.u-.Y2zs-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody familiar with this stuff http://www.petecornish.com/index.htm . wow. jg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 01:15:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h435ER811159; Sat, 3 May 2003 01:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 01:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.181.92] X-Originating-Email: [phillwilson@hotmail.com] From: "phillip wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: hi all Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 05:14:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2003 05:14:21.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA9D3A40:01C31132] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there everybody, Im Phill and Im a beginner Looper from Carlisle in England. (I also spend time in Hull) is anyone here anywhere near me as I would love to find some one to bounce ideas with. Does anyone know of any realtime looping equipment where you can add each loop to a differant slice of the same loop so each newly added piece can be turned on and off? I have an RC-20 Loopstaion but ialways end up with way to many layers and i cant seem to get away from this, has any one found a way round this? on a slightly differant topic, Im thinking of the new BOSS DD-20 delay, any thoughts reviews ect? C ya all soon Phill _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 04:28:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h438RuT28180; Sat, 3 May 2003 04:27:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 04:27:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c35998$eec206a0$2961f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305022004.h42K4r925901@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: Where is Leander Reininghaus? Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:26:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Leander Reininghaus has been planning the 1st Berlin Live Looping Festival on July 4th in Germany and I have completely lost contact with him. Does anyone happen to know of his whereabouts or contact information? I've e-mailed him several times but have had no response for a few weeks and I'm getting worried as I have a few days planned in Berlin on my upcoming tour. I'd appreciate any information that anyone has. Please contact me off list. By the way, if anyone wants to contact me personally would they please do so at this e-mail address: RICKWALKER@looppool.info and NOT the global@cruzio.com address I have a rather rigorous new spam filter that seems to be grabbing some of my mail. Thanks very much, yours, Rick Walker WWW.LOOPPOOL.INFO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 04:31:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h438UeM28501; Sat, 3 May 2003 04:30:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 04:30:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 01:30:38 -0700 Subject: Re: hi all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <84CBBF94-7D41-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only thing I've found that does this is to use Mark Of The Unicorn's Digital Performer 3 with it's POLAR module. (it's Mac only) You can set it up so that each repetition of the loop generates a new track that can be muted. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, May 2, 2003, at 10:14 PM, phillip wilson wrote: > > Hi there everybody, > Im Phill and Im a beginner Looper from Carlisle in England. (I also > spend time in Hull) is anyone here anywhere near me as I would love to > find some one to bounce ideas with. > > Does anyone know of any realtime looping equipment where you can add > each loop to a differant slice of the same loop so each newly added > piece can be turned on and off? > > I have an RC-20 Loopstaion but ialways end up with way to many layers > and i cant seem to get away from this, has any one found a way round > this? > > on a slightly differant topic, Im thinking of the new BOSS DD-20 > delay, any thoughts reviews ect? > > C ya all soon > Phill > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 04:31:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h438Ppe28039; Sat, 3 May 2003 04:25:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 04:25:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030503082545.29048.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 01:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: UD-Stomp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark how much did they want for them? cheers L.a > > > These both seem to have disappeared at American > Musical Supply. Guitar > Center was blowing out the DG-Stomp recently. The > AG-Stomp is still > available from AMS. > > Mark > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 04:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h438cl529195; Sat, 3 May 2003 04:38:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 04:38:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 01:38:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Voice pitch shifters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <76hsQC.A.DIH.XA4s-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, has anybody experience with voice pitch shifters?I am looking for a good one(not overpriced) to use live. Thanks L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 04:48:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h438lZM29821; Sat, 3 May 2003 04:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 04:47:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030503084729.99365.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 01:47:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: EDP input/output discrepancy... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002501c30ee5$04a02690$bf08fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have my EDP set also to 1 o´clock, so i guess it is normal.The input knob is now set to 9 o´clock since i am driving very hot signals and it is quite sensitive.I used to think everything had to be in set to 12 oclock but not anymore,as long as it sounds good... L.a --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Is it normal to have to keep the Mix knob on the EDP > at about one o'clock to > keep the input level and output level equal?´... ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 05:23:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h439N1w32470; Sat, 3 May 2003 05:23:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 05:23:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030503092254.6813.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 02:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: RE: Looping percussionists To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01c201c30db2$49706bb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, Great to hear somebody is into afrocuban grooves! Apart from being a guitarist i am a latin conga player.Cuban music is great to loop because it has a thing called "montuno" which keeps repeating over and over in a call and response way.This is a very important african element in cuban music because it is through this hipnotic repetition that the people dancing start going nuts! I did a mix of an original song of mine with Acid you can check it out at my website under projects is called "por ti ya no" here: http://www.labalou.com/projects1.htm cheers L.a --- Jim Palmer wrote: > > i loop congas, but i am not very good at it yet. > i'm mainly a guitarist... > > >... free from the rigours of melody > > and harmony (LOL what a load of pretentious crap > :) > > yeah, those tonal elitists! > first against the wall. > wait til you meet some microtonal types... > > >... In my > > own practises I've found it relatively easy to > build up a big > > samba or other parts-based piece, > >... > > this is like how i tend to loop congas. > mostly i have been learning afrocuban beats and it > is > great practice to play each part into the repeater > (or acid on pc) > then drop one out and work that part... > > i have yet to perform on congas, since just getting > the strokes > right has taken more than a year (and still working) > > >I've also enjoyed messing > > around with voice and just whatever instruments or > noises I > > have to hand. I haven't really heard any > percussionists' > > takes on this so I'm interested to hear what > approach anyone > > else is taking, I'm happy to share from my brief > experiences > > to date if that is any use. > > yes, please. > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 07:47:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43BjUf09802; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:45:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 07:45:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 12:48:16 +0100 Subject: Looping progress??? From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030503084729.99365.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all I have been thinking about, how we all want our loopers to do this or that ...... or wouldn't it be cool if ... i.e. more options to sound like more things..... Which leads me in some sense to think... With the advance of digital technology making looping achievable in most musical contexts, so the character and individuality of looping has been obsorbed into a bigger picture. DigitalLoopers can now do structures like verse chorus verse chorus repeat, in a way that it would be problematic with analogue equipment. This removal of these limitations has seen a sense of a loss of individuality of the sound of Live-Looping with a gain in its flexability and integration. I.e. looping can now be made to sound like other forms of music generation. However there are exceptions like Andre Lafosse etc. who are creating a new aesthetic out of looping as opposed to simply emulating another musical process.... Both positions are valid and a sign of how versatile a tool looping has become. Its maybe a question of as a looper do you seek to create a new aesthetic or simply to have the option to emulate many previously used aesthetics, like sequencing, multi tracking etc. How that makes sense! Anyone have any opinions? Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 09:03:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43D2tR16128; Sat, 3 May 2003 09:02:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:02:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:02:53 -0400 Subject: Re: OT - pete cornish effects - VERY COOL! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008401c31127$a023bfc0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Message-Id: <8D5562F7-7D67-11D7-BD80-000393DAB2B8@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow is right! $1600 for a Boss DD-2? Better get my order in while they last!! David Lee Myers Feedback Music at http://www.pulsewidth.com On Friday, May 2, 2003, at 11:53 PM, Jimmy George Band wrote: > anybody familiar with this stuff http://www.petecornish.com/index.htm > . wow. > > jg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 09:39:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43DcoO18982; Sat, 3 May 2003 09:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:38:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 09:38:50 -0400 Subject: Re: shipping from u.s.a. to italy...suggestions? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030501111045.045bcec0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com guess I just lost my third shipper, and now i'm also left with the last option... USPS... sorry richard. from a violinist who has to ship instruments occasionally. t. On 5/1/03 2:15 PM, "Kim Flint" wrote: > At 10:27 AM 5/1/2003, Richard Zvonar wrote: >> At 12:22 PM -0400 5/1/03, todd reynolds wrote: >>> airborne express... much better, much cheaper... >> >> I feel I should mention that my violist partner lost her instrument when >> we shipped it via Airborne to its maker in Bern. >> -- > > forget about overseas, I've had Airborne repeatedly lose shipments to me > from inside the US. I never use them anymore. On the other hand, the good > old US postal service has successfully made hundreds of shipments for me > over the past year, both in the country and out, and never lost anything. > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 11:07:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43F6Sg27439; Sat, 3 May 2003 11:06:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 11:06:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looping progress??? Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:06:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OPINIONS!!!? 1) If you like it, it good 2) If they like it, it's good 3) Music which is presented at an inappropriate place/in an inappropriate way/at an inappropriate volume is called noise 4) The downfall of the Western world is being caused by the media (most specifically TV) 5) Everybody ought to make music but most people are too lazy/self concious/busy 6) Music specifically and the arts in general are a gift from (insert the personification of your concept of Grace here) 7) Using looping enables one to manifest this Grace but adds another layer of effort (is distracting) making it sometime hard to relax enought to let the music speak thru you 8) Nobody wants to hear my whining--so I looped it, reversed, put it at half speed, and then muted it! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping progress??? Hi all I have been thinking about, how we all want our loopers to do this or that ...... or wouldn't it be cool if ... i.e. more options to sound like more things..... Which leads me in some sense to think... With the advance of digital technology making looping achievable in most musical contexts, so the character and individuality of looping has been obsorbed into a bigger picture. DigitalLoopers can now do structures like verse chorus verse chorus repeat, in a way that it would be problematic with analogue equipment. This removal of these limitations has seen a sense of a loss of individuality of the sound of Live-Looping with a gain in its flexability and integration. I.e. looping can now be made to sound like other forms of music generation. However there are exceptions like Andre Lafosse etc. who are creating a new aesthetic out of looping as opposed to simply emulating another musical process.... Both positions are valid and a sign of how versatile a tool looping has become. Its maybe a question of as a looper do you seek to create a new aesthetic or simply to have the option to emulate many previously used aesthetics, like sequencing, multi tracking etc. How that makes sense! Anyone have any opinions? Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 11:50:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43FnIP31443; Sat, 3 May 2003 11:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 11:49:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looping progress??? Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:49:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh I forgot one--TV is better with the sound muted and your eyes kinda half closed . . . G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 12:44:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43Gh9s04651; Sat, 3 May 2003 12:43:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:43:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030503164303.22426.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: (was - brotherhood of the bass) now - inside tip from the brotherhood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > -dont really know > nothin about playin a real > bass-but i do know 'root-5th root-5th root-5th :-) > i use a whammy pedal-1 octave down patch which i see > the guy from > 'whitestripes' has stolt from me... > s > root-5th-octave seems to be a staple for most improv music because it transcends major and minor and will always work... if you are theory inclined (or at least know if your vibe is major or minor)...try throwing in a 10th (this is an octave of the 3rd). for majar or minor playing, it really adds a lot and helps shape things especially for a loop. experiment a bit. a solid bassline can really take your music to a new level (if you are just laying down the bassics). and experiment with the 7th...a minor 7th with a major third gives that wonderful funky feel. you don't need to be a professor or a full-time bassist to have an interesting bassline. let's not forget, jaco pastorius started on the drums! peace and bass, e va n evanmeyers@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 12:48:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43GmEk05113; Sat, 3 May 2003 12:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:48:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030503164808.10388.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass/base To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What's up with local ads asking for "base guitar > player"? I've seen it more than once. Is this > somekind of new lingo for bassist? or are they ads > written by folks who don't know > their homophones (or homographs for that matter)? i think that the bass/base thing has more to do with the sales guy who tells you that the speakers offer extra bass (prononounced like the fish - yes, i've actually encountered this). as with everything, there are always those who will try to talk the talk with or without any clue as to what they are talking about...(i think we've all been caught saying moog with an ooh sound instead of the real way which rhymes with vogue). > Good bassists kick ass. good musicians kick ass! peace and bass, e va n evanmeyers@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 13:18:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43HHht07893; Sat, 3 May 2003 13:17:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:17:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:17:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping progress??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2556AC8C-7D8B-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, May 3, 2003, at 04:48 AM, Geoff Smith wrote: > Hi all > I have been thinking about, how we all want our loopers to do this or > that...... or wouldn't it be cool if ... i.e. more options to sound > like more things..... I kind of feel like the opposite is true for myself. I'd be totally happy with a looper that has the sound quality of the EDP, the stereo nature of the Repeater and the functionality of the JamMan... which is a pretty basic looper by EDP or Repeater standards. Where I get off is in what you put *in* the loop. The sonic choices (which can be loop features such as the Repeater's pitch and time stretching or the EDPs slice and dice features [if it could only Julieanne!]) are what interest me. For me the looper is the canvas. I want it to be good quality and a big size so I can get the most out of my paint, but I want it to be fairly "blank". Not saying it should be like this, but for me that's what I dig. I think a looper should be simple enough so that it's really the last thing you're thinking about when you're making music. I think this is one of the big draws of the DL4 and it's big sibling the EchoPro. > Which leads me in some sense to think... > With the advance of digital technology making looping achievable in > most musical contexts, so the character and individuality of looping > has been obsorbed into a bigger picture. DigitalLoopers can now do > structures like verse chorus verse chorus repeat, in a way that it > would be problematic with analogue equipment. This removal of these > limitations has seen a sense of a loss of individuality of the sound > of Live-Looping with a gain in its > flexability and integration. > I.e. looping can now be made to sound like other forms of music > generation. So you need to ask your self the question: Does your technology inform your sound, or does your sound inform your technology? Or is it a feedback loop between? When I listen to older pop music I often think, "Oh yeah, there's that DX7 patch..." or something like that. Good music then brings me to a place where I'm lost in the music and no longer listening to the technology. Poorly made music often relies on the gimmick of a new sound and has little else. It's a trap we've all got to avoid. > However there are exceptions like Andre Lafosse etc. who are creating > a new aesthetic out of looping as opposed to simply emulating another > musical process.... There was a thread a while back that I started about the differences between using your looper as a "processor" or in a more passive way. Both techniques are indeed valid and it's just a matter of choice for the musician. If you hear something in your head that your Repeater can't do, you'd better buy an EDP and visa versa. I've heard both great and horrible music come from both. What Andre does could be (and has been) done with traditional post production editing. What makes it cool is that he's a great musician and it allows him to make those edits to his loops live. Does that ability to do the glitch/insert technique live in real time inform the kind of edits he's doing? My guess would be: Yes so in that way Andre has been creating a new aesthetic. In a similar but more subtile way I use the Repeater's effect loop to post process my loop while leaving my direct input untouched (until it's first loop iteration). Most people are probably not even aware I'm doing it but when the loop I hear isn't exactly like what I played into it, it can't not influence what I'm going to play next, and therefore the "feature" of this piece of technology has allowed me to create music that I wouldn't normally have made without it. Much in the same way I couldn't play the music I play without amplification. I heard that Bing Crosby was the first baritone singer in pop music because before microphones and amps you had to sing in a high pitch to cut through the band. Very interesting IMO. I've always loved how Laurie Anderson can have a carcophony of sound around her but at the same time get all intimate by "whispering" in your hear. > > Both positions are valid and a sign of how versatile a tool looping > has become. Its maybe a question of as a looper do you seek to create > a new aesthetic or simply to have the option to emulate many > previously used aesthetics, like sequencing, multi tracking etc. Sure, sequencing and multi-tracking were all previously used, but loopers allow you to do it *live* which is really what interests me. There's nothing I do with my Repeater that I couldn't do with Digital Performer, but the Repeater allows it to happen in real time and those types of techniques really do have an effect on your playing. Similar to the difference between recording a dry signal and then putting effects on it later or doing the effect live. Common sound engineer wisdom says put the effects on later, but I say "hogwash!" How that effect changes your technique is what it's all about... well not all. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 13:27:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43HQrc08675; Sat, 3 May 2003 13:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:26:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030503172651.83120.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: multiple guitar amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200305022004.h42K4r925901@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << 3) Separation of a complex signal. Brian May's wall of > AC30s allowed him to send the different delayed > signals from his tape echoes to different amps to > avoid having them mush all together into mud. (This > reason is the most applicable to us as loopers...) It's probably also to get additional sounds, since the AC30 has both a cool overdrive and a great clean sound, but it doesn't have multiple channels, so if you want instant access to both, you need two amps. I know people like Eric Johnson and Stevie Ray Vaughn had lots of amps on stage, but it was for the variety.>> Eric Johnson uses three sets (each with it's own effects chain of amp that he switches between, but I remember reading that Stevie Ray used something four or five amps AT ONCE!!!! As for the Brian May setup, my understanding was he used the three sets of AC-30's for his echo effects. One set of amps (or at least one amp, anyway) had his main guitar signal. Now, what he'd do is he'd plug into a delay unit (in the early days it was a customized Echoplex, but I think he went digital later on), set for just one repeat, about a second after the original signal. He'd feed the dry signal from the delay into amp number, and he'd feed the wet signal into a second delay unit, set up the same way as the first. The dry signal from delay unit two (which would be the signal repeat from the first delay unit) would go into amp rig number two, while the wet signat signal from the second delay unit (which would give him another repeat) would go into the third amp rig. This allowed him to make each signal clearly heard, and also allowed him to pan the individual signals in stereo (though I don't know how much he would have done that live, he clearly did this on the studio version of Brighton Rock), instead of turning into sonic mud, as someone else mentioned. I've never heard of him using them to get different tones (other than dialing in a different tone on each repeat), though I suppose it's possible. Someone mentioned once to me that he used a wah wah pedal, saying that he used one when he saw Queen in concert in 74. I had never seen it mentioned in any article I had ever read, but I had to concede if this guy was sure that he saw May using one, he must have used one. Anyway, I always had the impression that his overdrive sound came from a preamp pedal, which I think he built himself. Another interesting point: someone mentioned Kiss touring with empty speaker cabinets. In the infamous Tom Snyder interview from 1979 (if you ever saw it, you'd know why it's infamous, at least amongst Kiss fans) Paul Stanley mentions that in the early days, they did that because they couldn't afford to have a big wall of real amps, and that they'd have to tell the lighting guys not to put a spotlight on the cabinets, otherwise you'd be able to see a hole where the speaker was supposed to be. I think once they started making big money, they actually started putting speakers in the cabinets (though obviously they didn't actually plug in all of them). Each of the times I saw them, it certainly looked the cabs actually had speakers in them. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 13:36:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43HZFJ09749; Sat, 3 May 2003 13:35:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:35:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005d01c35998$eec206a0$2961f93f@global> References: <200305022004.h42K4r925901@hemlock.violacea.com> <005d01c35998$eec206a0$2961f93f@global> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:30:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: Where is Leander Reininghaus? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1160139181==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1160139181==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:26 AM -0700 8/3/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Leander Reininghaus has been planning the 1st Berlin Live Looping >Festival on July 4th in Germany and I have completely lost contact >with him. > >Does anyone happen to know of his whereabouts or contact information? (0 30) 40 71 40 74 (0 30) 78 70 40 57 fax You could also try to contact him through MOKA EFTI -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1160139181==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: Where is Leander Reininghaus?
At 1:26 AM -0700 8/3/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:

Leander Reininghaus has been planning the 1st Berlin Live Looping Festival on July 4th in Germany and I have completely lost contact with him.
Does anyone happen to know of his whereabouts or contact information?

(0 30) 40 71 40 74
(0 30) 78 70 40 57 fax

You could also try to contact him through MOKA EFTI <MokaEfti@bloom.de >


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--============_-1160139181==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 13:37:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43HbA409911; Sat, 3 May 2003 13:37:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:37:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 13:26:13 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: multiple guitar amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0fb801c31199$18ac0120$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030503172651.83120.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Richards" > Anyway, I always had the impression that his > overdrive sound came from a preamp pedal, which I > think he built himself. http://www.voxamps.com/products/amps/bms/bms.htm * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 13:52:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43Hq9C11005; Sat, 3 May 2003 13:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> References: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:52:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: brotherhood of the bass/base Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:27 AM -0400 5/2/03, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: >What's up with local ads asking for "base guitar player"? It's the same thing as people writing "alot" instead of "a lot" or "it's" instead of "its" or "wierd" instead of "weird." These folks are probably unconcerned with spelling. In many cases it's because they weren't paying attention in high school English class, but in other cases they may be dyslexic or simply not native speakers/writers of English (or perhaps they are typing too fast). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:06:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43I5OO12719; Sat, 3 May 2003 14:05:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 14:05:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c3119e$8d0a6700$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Oscillator samples... Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:05:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know where I can get a set of single cycle waveform samples of sine, sawtooth, square, and triangle waves, at 16bit 44.1kHz? For some reason I am not having any luck finding these on the internet. -Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:32:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43IVA115325; Sat, 3 May 2003 14:31:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 14:31:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030503183104.80073.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 11:31:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: multiple guitar amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030503172651.83120.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Details on how/why Brian May used three AC30's, and info on his effects: -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:34:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43IXkT15560; Sat, 3 May 2003 14:33:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 14:33:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: OT - pete cornish effects - VERY COOL! Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:33:39 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <002801c311a2$84743bd0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008401c31127$a023bfc0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > anybody familiar with this stuff > http://www.petecornish.com/index.htm . wow. > > jg > Yes. I did an interview over the phone with Pete some years ago (for a Swedish guitar player magazine) and he seems to know what he is doing ;-) Met some British musicians that say they just couldn't get their live rig together without Pete. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 15:03:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43J24M18165; Sat, 3 May 2003 15:02:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:02:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005701c3119e$8d0a6700$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> <005701c3119e$8d0a6700$bf08fc0c@amd> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:01:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Oscillator samples... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1hV3kD.A.tbE.sIBt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:05 PM -0600 5/3/03, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Does anyone know where I can get a set of single cycle waveform samples of >sine, sawtooth, square, and triangle waves, at 16bit 44.1kHz? For some >reason I am not having any luck finding these on the internet. You cab generate these using CellSynth What frequency would you like? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 15:15:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43JEXM19392; Sat, 3 May 2003 15:14:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:14:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 12:14:31 -0700 Subject: Re: UD-Stomp From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030503082545.29048.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2Cj0-.A.3uE.ZUBt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no idea what the UD-Stomp was going for. I've never seen one. Guitar Center San Jose listed their DG-Stomp for $50 in the blow out sale. I think part of Yamaha's problem was that they never got the distribution that Line 6 had. Mark on 5/3/03 1:25 AM, Louie Angulo at laab2000us@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Mark > how much did they want for them? > cheers > L.a > > >> >> >> These both seem to have disappeared at American >> Musical Supply. Guitar >> Center was blowing out the DG-Stomp recently. The >> AG-Stomp is still >> available from AMS. >> >> Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:01:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43Jxbd24532; Sat, 3 May 2003 15:59:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:59:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: UD-Stomp Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:59:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DL4 and UD? Different boxes--I think the reason the DL4 is more popular than the rack version (Echo Pro) is the stomp box interface--but the UD delays aren't really long enough to loop IMO--'course my 32 sec Jamman gave me fits--I spell relief E-D-P. The new Boss loop pedal might be cool--but the DL4s are selling at the same price as two years ago . . . Gary MH said: I have no idea what the UD-Stomp was going for. I've never seen one. Guitar Center San Jose listed their DG-Stomp for $50 in the blow out sale. I think part of Yamaha's problem was that they never got the distribution that Line 6 had. Mark on 5/3/03 1:25 AM, Louie Angulo at laab2000us@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Mark > how much did they want for them? > cheers > L.a > > >> >> >> These both seem to have disappeared at American >> Musical Supply. Guitar >> Center was blowing out the DG-Stomp recently. The >> AG-Stomp is still >> available from AMS. >> >> Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:13:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43KBsk26025; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: UD-Stomp Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:11:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <-AeW5.A.jWG.JKCt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMUDSTOMP $400 bucks--too much--but it IS MIDI!! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:14:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43KE7n26315; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:14:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <1ef.80f4ad9.2be57d02@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:13:54 EDT Subject: Re: Oscillator samples... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ef.80f4ad9.2be57d02_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ef.80f4ad9.2be57d02_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sent the preset Fruityloops waves to your email, jesse... --part1_1ef.80f4ad9.2be57d02_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

sent the preset Fruityloops waves to your email, jesse... --part1_1ef.80f4ad9.2be57d02_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 19:09:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43N7Db11523; Sat, 3 May 2003 19:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 19:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 16:07:12 -0700 Subject: Re: UD-Stomp From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-R2rwC.A.7zC.huEt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't get suckered in on the MIDI thing. I don't think the UD-Stomp syncs to MIDI clock which is a lame choice on Yamaha's part. My comment about Line 6 v. Yamaha wasn't just about the UD-Stomp. The DG-Stomp also never made significant inroads against the Pod despite some very positive reviews. Line 6 has very good distribution. It was hard to find dealers carrying the DG-Stomp and even harder to find dealers carrying the DG-80 amp. I just got an Echo Pro (thanks to Mark Sottilaro pointing out the blowout prices). As a looper, it doesn't compare to my EDP. But the delays are very sweet. The features I would have really liked for it would be: * Longer delay times (if it's got the memory for a 60 second loop, it ought to be able to have delays longer than 2.5 seconds) -- 5 or 6 seconds would have been sufficient. * A hold function. That way I could get all of the interesting decay effects but then I could hit the hold switch and let it sustain for a while. Lack of that feature creates a dilemma for me with respect to replacing the DL8000R in my mobile rack with the Echo Pro. Mark on 5/3/03 12:59 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net wrote: > DL4 and UD? Different boxes--I think the reason the DL4 is more popular > than the rack version (Echo Pro) is the stomp box interface--but the UD > delays aren't really long enough to loop IMO--'course my 32 sec Jamman gave > me fits--I spell relief E-D-P. > > The new Boss loop pedal might be cool--but the DL4s are selling at the same > price as two years ago . . . > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 19:59:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43NvYc16195; Sat, 3 May 2003 19:57:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 19:57:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020f01c311d0$020a3900$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 19:59:17 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This week begins a two-week series titled RADiO iN AMBiENCE featuring experimental artists making extensive use of radio as a live ambient sound source, including live radio broadcasts of Greg Clow's "Feedback Monitor". Tune in on CIUT 89.5-FM Tuesday @ 10-12pm EST if you can't make it out to the show or on the internet at http://www.ciut.fm/ (Sorry for the extralongpost this week - rik's pingthings CD review awaits at the end...) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tuesday May 6th - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 This is a special presentation for the Deep Wireless "celebration of Radio Art" in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art taking place throughout May. http://www.deepwireless.ca Floating ensemble Planet Of The Loops will be focusing on radio transmissions as their primary sound source for an evening of live loop-based improvisations. The Planet's founder, Andrew Aldridge (guitar with Sarah Slean, Kathryn Rose ...) will be joined by world musician Rick Hyslop (violin with Mazameze, Legion Of Green Men and many others) for a first set featuring live weather radio, short-wave, crystal radio and vintage tape looping, followed by a second set trapping and twisting the live broadcast of Feedback Monitor - Greg Clow's weekly radio program dedicated to new sounds in electronic and experimental music on CIUT-FM 89.5, Toronto. Planet Of The Loops: http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Greg Clow / Feedback Monitor: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com Between Sets CD "Subterranean Collective disc 1" by vidnaObmana Dark, drifting synth chords float over tribal rhythms on this double CD from Belgian sound artist vidnaObmana, who has remastered and resequenced tracks from 3 albums originally recorded 1992-94. This collection also features contributions from Djen Ajakan Shean, Steve Roach, Robert Rich & Alio Die. (PROJECKT - 2001) http://www.vidnaobmana.be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday May 13th - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 Toronto radio legend David Pritchard (host of the infamously eclectic Late Night show on CHUM-FM in the late 60s/early 70s, the first manager/program director for CFNY-FM when it exploded from 200 to 100,000 watts in the 70s, and creator of "Nocturnal Eathworm Stew" (Island) opens the night with short-wave manipulations plus prepared excerpts from random transmissions & slices of his previous radio-centric works like "An Admission Of Guilt". Joining him will be multi-instrumentalist Byron Wong (King Brand Vallium, My Brilliant Beast) and electronic soundscape artist Scott M2 (dreamSTATE, earotica) on radios, treatments and looping devices. In the second set, electronic duo Self-Service (Jakob Thiesen & Rebecca McLellan) will tune in to the airwaves to pillage & resample Greg Clow's Feedback Monitor radio show (which will be including sections of the previous week's Planet Of The Loops' Deep Wireless performance looping Feedback Monitor on May 6th) to bring RADiO iN AMBiENCE full circle in a week-long self-consuming loop. Self-Service plan a fresh mix of electronic music where sources both familiar and obscure coexist with their own pulsing consonant tones. Scott M2 - http://www.dreamstate.to/about_dreamstate.htm Jakob Thiesen - http://www.theambientping.com/thiesen/home.html Greg Clow / Feedback Monitor - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Automatic Fats "Molasses Springs" Beaty, bass-y, and altogether groovy, "Molasses Springs" by Automatic Fats is a vibe-laden trip through new environments. Thick with mid to lo-tempo grooves, the songs on this album showcase a fluid sense of dynamics with an attention to the creation of space and atmosphere. Bass-driven melodies and trippy percussion mingle and fuse with processed samples, pads, bells and ambience, and in the end it all comes together in a really satisfying synthesis that totally makes me wanna shake my thang. And let me assure you, the thang shaking is infectious. You'll feel it in the slinky shuffle of "Dimitri from Athens" or in the strut of "Jackfish". You'll feel it throughout this disc... They say that "some fats are good for you" and I would have to agree that Automatic Fats is VERY good for you... "Molasses Springs" is available now through *ping things* at THE AMBiENT PiNG or online at http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to be updated on all the latest releases on sale at PiNG THiNGS. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 20:10:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44096n17429; Sat, 3 May 2003 20:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 17:09:01 -0700 Subject: Re: UD-Stomp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9C4A5CAE-7DC4-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really? I've seen them at various SF Bay area Guitar Centers and I played the amp version and liked it a lot, but didn't have the funds at the time. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, May 3, 2003, at 04:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > find dealers carrying the DG-Stomp and even harder to find dealers > carrying > the DG-80 amp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:32:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h441VRH23736; Sat, 3 May 2003 21:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 21:31:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030503193706.009da650@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 19:37:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Oscillator samples... In-Reply-To: <005701c3119e$8d0a6700$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <37C5E0CD.6772C26A.007D6382@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_pBKe.A.yyF.v1Gt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should be able to create them in Sound Forge or several other audio editing packages. -Hope this helps... Smiles, Cara At 12:05 PM 5/3/03 -0600, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I can get a set of single cycle waveform samples of >sine, sawtooth, square, and triangle waves, at 16bit 44.1kHz? For some >reason I am not having any luck finding these on the internet. > >-Jesse > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 02:31:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h446Tgh19216; Sun, 4 May 2003 02:29:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 02:29:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c31206$afdb6280$cd5cef9b@LeRoux> From: "Peter Le Roux" To: Subject: Intro/ zoom bfx 708 II Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 08:30:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. I am looking at getting into live looping- I have been playing around with software for quite a while that does some looping (not real time) and listening to a couple of artists who use looping in their work (eg. tim reynolds, steve lawson). I am a bass player and one of the 'budget' options I am looking at is the zoom bfx708 II- this is an effects box with a built in drum machine (not much use) and a sampler that samples to internal memory or to smartmedia cards. Has anyone used this for looping live? Are their any alternative 'budget'options for loopers (under 300us)? I'm not being cheap, I live in south africa and the exchange rate makes anything musical a bit out of our reach. Thanks! ?eter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 03:00:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h446xTN22183; Sun, 4 May 2003 02:59:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 02:59:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 23:54:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Voice pitch shifters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0aEIsB.A.faF.RpLt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:38 AM -0700 5/3/03, Louie Angulo wrote: >has anybody experience with voice pitch shifters?I am >looking for a good one(not overpriced) to use live. I don't know what "overpriced" means to you. To me it means "not worth the money" but sometimes you have to pay a lot to get something good. I'm a fan of Eventide processors, but probably even their Eclipse is out of your range. TC-Helicon has several models in the price range of $600-1300 (list). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 04:06:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4480TS27866; Sun, 4 May 2003 04:00:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 04:00:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c31213$372e84e0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 02:00:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for a distortion pedal that will be usable with electric bass and electric guitar. I need something capable of getting very gain-ey, Meshuggah-style crunch, and being silent when there is no signal going to it (i.e. no hum, no hiss). Ideally, for it to work with bass it will either need to have bass specific presets, or have a hi-pass filter to send only the higher frequencies to the distortion and let the low stuff pass through clean. Any suggestions? -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 04:24:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h448N9W00823; Sun, 4 May 2003 04:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 04:23:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... References: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c31213$372e84e0$bf08fc0c@amd> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 03:22:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <001e01c31213$372e84e0$bf08fc0c@amd> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm, I'd say your best bet would be getting a Pod or some other amp/pedal modeller. I don't see a Meshuggah-type distortion working well for bass (although I haven't tried it so I'm not sure). You need amp distortion to get that thick crunch. FWIW Mesh uses POD Pro's both live and in the studio (for their last album - for both bass and guitars). Previously it was Marshall Valvestates live and Mesa Dual Rectifiers in the studio. That being said, the Boss Metal Zone might give you what you need. The variable mids gives it a wide range of sounds, and it can be pretty crunchy, even without much gain. Ernesto On Sun, 4 May 2003 02:00:23 -0600, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > I'm looking for a distortion pedal that will be usable with electric bass > and electric guitar. I need something capable of getting very gain-ey, > Meshuggah-style crunch, and being silent when there is no signal going to > it > (i.e. no hum, no hiss). Ideally, for it to work with bass it will either > need to have bass specific presets, or have a hi-pass filter to send only > the higher frequencies to the distortion and let the low stuff pass > through > clean. > > Any suggestions? > > -J > > > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 04:26:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h448PY501040; Sun, 4 May 2003 04:25:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 04:25:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c31216$93ebf200$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c31213$372e84e0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 02:24:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <3c7GTB.A.HQ.95Mt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you got the money check out the pete cornish stuff. made to have no noise. see his link http://www.petecornish.com scroll down to the bottom to see some killer examples of what he does. other wise i think digitech makes the best bang for the buck. ive owned the 2010, 2120, 2112, and currently used the johnson stereo amp that essentially has the 2120 inside it. all these before mentioned use the 12ax7 tube. the amp has two. its nice to have dual path distortions jesse. ive been applying distortions to acoustics for years. my magnetic sunrise pickup makes this possible. your carbon bass like my carbon rainsong guitar top really hangs on to the effects good sir! also check out the koch duotone pedal. boss, dod and zoom make some good cheap distortion pedals. ive always gone towards the digitech. like i said i think much more BANG for the $. you might take your bass to the music store with your head and try all these out. digitech went towards the new all in one floor gnx modeler and rp series. i still like the rack mounts better. they also have bass pedal goodies for the bass. check out their site http://www.digitech.com YO! jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 2:00 AM Subject: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... > I'm looking for a distortion pedal that will be usable with electric bass > and electric guitar. I need something capable of getting very gain-ey, > Meshuggah-style crunch, and being silent when there is no signal going to it > (i.e. no hum, no hiss). Ideally, for it to work with bass it will either > need to have bass specific presets, or have a hi-pass filter to send only > the higher frequencies to the distortion and let the low stuff pass through > clean. > > Any suggestions? > > -J > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 04:55:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h448sEP02429; Sun, 4 May 2003 04:54:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 04:54:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c3121a$b91581f0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c31213$372e84e0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 02:54:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Meshuggah's bass distortion works pretty well for them, however they manage to achieve it. Yes, when I saw them they were using Mesa Dual Rectifiers. I'm afraid of the Boss Metal Zone, because I bought the DOD "Death Metal" pedal once and it was the noisiest pedal I have ever encountered. I mean, the hiss/hum was as loud as the notes you would play. Great for getting Yamatsuka Eye and Mike Patton vocal filth for sound collages, but not much good for crunchy guitar with clean breaks. Thanks for the info and suggestions. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernesto schnack" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 2:22 AM Subject: Re: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... > Hmm, I'd say your best bet would be getting a Pod or some other amp/pedal > modeller. I don't see a Meshuggah-type distortion working well for bass > (although I haven't tried it so I'm not sure). You need amp distortion to > get that thick crunch. FWIW Mesh uses POD Pro's both live and in the > studio (for their last album - for both bass and guitars). Previously it > was Marshall Valvestates live and Mesa Dual Rectifiers in the studio. > > That being said, the Boss Metal Zone might give you what you need. The > variable mids gives it a wide range of sounds, and it can be pretty > crunchy, even without much gain. > > Ernesto > > > On Sun, 4 May 2003 02:00:23 -0600, Jesse Ray Lucas > wrote: > > > I'm looking for a distortion pedal that will be usable with electric bass > > and electric guitar. I need something capable of getting very gain-ey, > > Meshuggah-style crunch, and being silent when there is no signal going to > > it > > (i.e. no hum, no hiss). Ideally, for it to work with bass it will either > > need to have bass specific presets, or have a hi-pass filter to send only > > the higher frequencies to the distortion and let the low stuff pass > > through > > clean. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > -J > > > > > > > > > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 05:12:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h449BIv04738; Sun, 4 May 2003 05:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 05:11:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:11:11 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000501c3121d$1b639b10$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <003001c3121a$b91581f0$bf08fc0c@amd> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > Meshuggah's bass distortion works pretty well for them, > however they manage to achieve it. Yes, when I saw them they > were using Mesa Dual Rectifiers. They are now using rack mounted lined POD pro's, lined directly into the stage box. On last years US tour with Tool the Meshuggah bass player was using one of those round and red POD's. Each guitar player have two POD's and they are all midi connected so when the solo guitarist calls up a "solo patch" his sound is panned into the centre (with stereo delay gong left/right) while the rhythm guitarists sound is getting split-panned even broader to fill up behind the solo. Very nice stage concept! They don't have to worry about the length of a solo part and are free to improvise very quickly without loosing that ultra tight metal sound. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 05:54:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h449rVr06534; Sun, 4 May 2003 05:53:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 05:53:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <142.10ab8c65.2be63d10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 05:53:20 EDT Subject: Re: Hi all loopslicing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Does anyone know of any realtime looping equipment where you can add each > loop to a differant slice of the same loop so each newly added piece can be > turned on and off? > hi Phil If I get you right, then the answer is basically no ;-( the EDP can replace slices of a loop accurately quite easily, and you could probably get the sort of effect you wanted using it's ability to copy to a new loop before you replaced the slices (then you can switch between the altered and unaltered loops). ...but I don't know of any device that could keep track of the diferent slices in the way you want. You can also Undo any changes you make to a loop,(but can't "redo") andy butler UK Norwich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 07:03:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44B2g312442; Sun, 4 May 2003 07:02:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 07:02:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c35a77$b80be060$f561f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305031718.h43HINw08002@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OH MY GOD!!!! I just saw BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO perform Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 04:01:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <2g-qFB.A.RCD.SNPt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw tonight what was one of the most hilarious and entertaining sets of music that I've ever seen..............EVER!!!! BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO. I laughed so hard that my sides hurt. I haven't seen someone engage an audience so ferociously and effectively in a long time. The whole crowd of 'cooler than thou' twenty somethings out to see the indie rock bands were singing, laughing, doing silly dances.... shouting the lyrics (which were being projected onto a little screen with an overhead projector)........and everybody was into it. His final song about Yngwie 'fucking' Malmsteen was worth the price of admission. He's insane........he's hilarious..........he's a pretty damned good warwick string player (like a stick) and he's got a really good voice. He's just so fucking hilarious that you almost forget that he is a really talented musician to boot. And, sports fans....................he's one of us.............a looper!!! He has quite an itinerary of gigs on the west coast ahead of him. Do go to his website and check him out. Amazed...........just amazed............... BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO.................wooooooooooo hooooooooooooo, eat a raisin every time you hear that name. yours, rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 11:23:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44FM8t32220; Sun, 4 May 2003 11:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:22:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030504152202.58086.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 08:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Voice pitch shifters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:38 AM -0700 5/3/03, Louie Angulo wrote: >has anybody experience with voice pitch shifters?I >am looking for a good one(not overpriced) to use >live. For the price (under $100), the Fostex DE-1 has served me quite well. I use it for all kinds of miked input; voice, flutes, didge, kalimba, etc. Side by side, it's not gonna beat the likes of the Lexicons, but then again, it costs a lot less. It's 20 bit and is two processors in one half/space unit, so you can use it in stereo or as two separate mono processors. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 11:25:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44FOHD32456; Sun, 4 May 2003 11:24:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:24:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030504152411.81887.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 08:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Voice pitch shifters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030504152202.58086.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, and it's all knobs. No menus/scrolling/arcane interfaces. Just set it to pitch shift and turn the pot. -t- --- Tim Nelson wrote: > At 1:38 AM -0700 5/3/03, Louie Angulo wrote: > >has anybody experience with voice pitch shifters?I > >am looking for a good one(not overpriced) to use > >live. > > For the price (under $100), the Fostex DE-1 has > served me quite well... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 11:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44FaZC01002; Sun, 4 May 2003 11:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003001c3121a$b91581f0$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c31213$372e84e0$bf08fc0c@amd> <003001c3121a$b91581f0$bf08fc0c@amd> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 08:36:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: <_4glB.A.iP.DOTt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Meshuggah's bass distortion works pretty well for them, however they manage >to achieve it. Yes, when I saw them they were using Mesa Dual Rectifiers. > >I'm afraid of the Boss Metal Zone, because I bought the DOD "Death Metal" >pedal once and it was the noisiest pedal I have ever encountered. I mean, >the hiss/hum was as loud as the notes you would play. Great for getting >Yamatsuka Eye and Mike Patton vocal filth for sound collages, but not much >good for crunchy guitar with clean breaks. > >Thanks for the info and suggestions. > >-J > If I remember correctly, the last Meshuggah record had no bass player at all, both the guitarists were using 8-string guitars. Didn't notice any lack of bass register action, though. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 12:01:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44G00703869; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:00:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 12:00:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030504155954.35118.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 08:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: on-stage personal monitoring...loop-related, i assure you To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8Vsm-C.A.T8.AkTt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the band i play with, mainframe theory, employs loops all over the place. it's great because it allows me to become 5 guitarists and it serves as a metronome, which is great for those drummers that like to speed up when they get excited. but...making sure that everybody can hear the guitar is difficult. keeping up with the drummer isn't difficult...keeping up with the guitar is. i'm thinking that personal mixes via headphones is the only way to ensure that everybody gets a great mix, so i want to know if anybody is doing this. i'll probably need to mic the bass and guitar and feed that somehow to three sets of phones for myself, bassist, and most importantly, the drummer. suggestions? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 12:28:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44GSA306332; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 12:28:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c3125a$23a21fd0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c31213$372e84e0$bf08fc0c@amd> <003001c3121a$b91581f0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 10:28:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They are using 8-strings on the album, but it says on meshuggah.net: Tomas Haake: Drums Jens Kidman: Lead vocals Fredrik Thordendal: Rhythm guitar, solo guitar, bass guitar Mårten Hagström: Rhythm guitar And there are bass breaks all over the album. There is also a picture of the PODs all in a rack here: http://www.meshuggah.net/news/ Thanks for the tip, Per. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... > If I remember correctly, the last Meshuggah record had no bass player > at all, both the guitarists were using 8-string guitars. Didn't > notice any lack of bass register action, though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... > They are now using rack mounted lined POD pro's, lined directly into the > stage box. On last years US tour with Tool the Meshuggah bass player was > using one of those round and red POD's. Each guitar player have two > POD's and they are all midi connected so when the solo guitarist calls > up a "solo patch" his sound is panned into the centre (with stereo delay > gong left/right) while the rhythm guitarists sound is getting > split-panned even broader to fill up behind the solo. Very nice stage > concept! They don't have to worry about the length of a solo part and > are free to improvise very quickly without loosing that ultra tight > metal sound. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 12:37:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44GaT407011; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:36:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 12:36:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030504093315.00b22f30@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 09:36:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... In-Reply-To: <001e01c31213$372e84e0$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've never listened to Meshuggah, but the only bass distortion that I was ever satisfied with was the EH Big Muff-Pi. -Hans At 01:00 04/05/2003, you wrote: >I'm looking for a distortion pedal that will be usable with electric bass >and electric guitar. I need something capable of getting very gain-ey, >Meshuggah-style crunch, and being silent when there is no signal going to it >(i.e. no hum, no hiss). Ideally, for it to work with bass it will either >need to have bass specific presets, or have a hi-pass filter to send only >the higher frequencies to the distortion and let the low stuff pass through >clean. > >Any suggestions? > >-J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 15:01:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44J00022457; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:00:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:00:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 12:00:00 -0700 Subject: Re: OH MY GOD!!!! I just saw BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO perform Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008b01c35a77$b80be060$f561f93f@global> Message-Id: <9AD17544-7E62-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <6zgTXD.A.xeF.wMWt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude, where'va been? BKF RULES! On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 04:01 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > I saw tonight what was one of the most hilarious and > entertaining sets of music that I've ever seen..............EVER!!!! > > BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO. > > > Do go to his website and check him out. http://www.bonghitrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 15:12:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44JBnt23655; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:11:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030504120703.04e10bc0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 12:12:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP input/output discrepancy... In-Reply-To: <002501c30ee5$04a02690$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <200304292325.h3TNPJ601161@hemlock.violacea.com> <02ba01c30eae$d7addd20$7c63f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:52 PM 4/29/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Is it normal to have to keep the Mix knob on the EDP at about one o'clock to >keep the input level and output level equal? I know when you overdub the >EDP cuts the signal by about 10% to prevent clipping, but I'm not >overdubbing. Does it do this on the initial creation of the loop as well? >Volume of the unit is set to 127, via MIDI. Feedback is 100%, via MIDI as >well. The newer Echoplexes have a limiter on the path into the loop. It is there to prevent clipping of the digital convertor input. It doesn't affect the dry audio path. If you have the input turned up a little too high, you could be engaging the limiter in the loop path. This would result in your loops being slightly lower volume than the direct audio. Try adjusting the input level and see if it changes. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 15:16:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44JFqi24004; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 12:15:50 -0700 Subject: Re: on-stage personal monitoring...loop-related, i assure you Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030504155954.35118.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone tried or used these headphones? http://www.shure.com/earphones/eseries_e2c.asp I'm also thinking of using headphones for monitors when I play live, as it seems totally hit or miss as to whether or now you're going to get any monitors at all at some venues. After specifically asking a stage manager at a huge show, "Will there be monitors for the bands?" and was told yes, there was a "killer system." I found out that the DJ oriented show had *no* monitor system at all and it was very hard to hear ourselves. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, May 4, 2003, at 08:59 AM, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: > the band i play with, mainframe theory, employs loops > all over the place. it's great because it allows me > to become 5 guitarists and it serves as a metronome, > which is great for those drummers that like to speed > up when they get excited. > > but...making sure that everybody can hear the guitar > is difficult. keeping up with the drummer isn't > difficult...keeping up with the guitar is. i'm > thinking that personal mixes via headphones is the > only way to ensure that everybody gets a great mix, so > i want to know if anybody is doing this. i'll > probably need to mic the bass and guitar and feed that > somehow to three sets of phones for myself, bassist, > and most importantly, the drummer. > > suggestions? > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 15:56:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44Ju8k27513; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:56:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:56:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030504215452.02e2aec8@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:56:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re:No Whining T-shirt and other L.D. considerations In-Reply-To: <200304301628.h3UGSdE18464@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3258906==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_3258906==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed As long as PayPal is an accepted method of payment i could be willing to seriously consider the idea. JPW >I will even, controversially, suggest that we might consider making this a >pay site. Considering the pleasure, knowledge, opportunities (hell, I >booked my entire summer tour through this list) that L.D. provides, it would >totally be worth it >for me to pay for a subscription to it (and I probably make a quarter of >what most people make on this website being a self employed wierd, 'fall >between the classification cracks' artist. Kim, of course might not even be >into this idea, but I think we should consider it to keep this wonderful >place alive. God forbid that Kim should make up some of his financial >losses or even, dare I say it, make a little money from all of his hard >work. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_3258906==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" As long as PayPal is an accepted method of payment i could be willing to seriously consider the idea.

JPW




I will even, controversially, suggest that we might consider making this a
pay site.  Considering the pleasure, knowledge, opportunities (hell, I
booked my entire summer tour through this list) that L.D. provides, it would
totally be worth it
for me to pay for a subscription to it (and I probably make a quarter of
what most people make on this website being a self employed wierd, 'fall
between the classification cracks' artist.  Kim, of course might not even be
into this idea, but I think we should consider it to keep this wonderful
place alive.   God forbid that Kim should make up some of his financial
losses or even, dare I say it,  make a little money from all of his hard
work.

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 --=====================_3258906==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 16:16:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44KFRN30957; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:15:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:15:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030504130240.04622008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:16:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:No Whining T-shirt and other L.D. considerations In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030504215452.02e2aec8@pop.chello.se> References: <200304301628.h3UGSdE18464@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few people here "pay for subscriptions" voluntarily by regularly using the paypal donation links on the LD website. If you want to help support the site, you are welcome to join them by clicking on the donate button and making whatever contribution you think is appropriate. Or, there are also links on most pages of the site for Zzounds, Amazon, and Sonic Foundry. If you click on those links to buy something from those companies, Looper's Delight gets 5-10% commission from whatever you buy. So next time you are buying some gear, or some books or cds, or some loops for Acid, why not click through those links? The price for you is the same, but LD gets a little bit of it back. kim At 12:56 PM 5/4/2003, Jair-Rohm wrote: >As long as PayPal is an accepted method of payment i could be willing to >seriously consider the idea. > >JPW > > >>I will even, controversially, suggest that we might consider making this a >>pay site. Considering the pleasure, knowledge, opportunities (hell, I >>booked my entire summer tour through this list) that L.D. provides, it would >>totally be worth it >>for me to pay for a subscription to it (and I probably make a quarter of >>what most people make on this website being a self employed wierd, 'fall >>between the classification cracks' artist. Kim, of course might not even be >>into this idea, but I think we should consider it to keep this wonderful >>place alive. God forbid that Kim should make up some of his financial >>losses or even, dare I say it, make a little money from all of his hard >>work. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 16:28:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44KR4o32365; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:27:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030504123316.029a95a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:25:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: bouncing (Admin query) In-Reply-To: <001001c30f37$cc0a9790$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> References: <20021126171041.74945.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <02e001c30dd3$904a6100$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> <3EAFE98A.7D4108E5@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:44 AM 4/30/2003, astroblue wrote: >I've had that problem for a few years on LD, it appears that LD msgs would >be bounced back from my account now and then, and I would get unsubbed. There are only a few people who have that problem, because they use unreliable mail servers that frequently go down or otherwise begin bouncing posts back. Or they use free mail accounts and let them exceed their disk quota all the time. >This is the only list that's ever happened on (of dozens) for me, so dunno >why. Anyway, I had to stop using my main email account for this list. No big >deal, but thought I'd mention it as others may have had the same experience. > >For whatever reason, the LD mail program seems to be very sensitive to >bounces. If that's happening to you, you might try using a different >account if that is an option. On a medium size list like this with a fair amount of traffic, I have email addresses going bad every day. These result in hundreds of bounce messages coming back to my server every day. A standard feature of any mailing list program is to have bad addresses removed automatically after they bounce a set number of times. If that isn't done the number of bounces will keep multiplying and the server will eventually be overwhelmed and a large amount of bandwidth is wasted. This is why the list server removes them automatically after a few bounces. I use the default setting in my list software of 4 bounces. If anything, I'm inclined to make this number smaller so the list is less tolerant of bad email accounts. To me it is bizarre that the other mailing lists you are on do not do this. They must be either very small lists, or run by someone who does not care or understand about the performance degradation their servers are suffering from. Any experienced list admin will be culling bad addresses like this all the time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 16:54:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44KrBW02266; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:53:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:53:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c3127f$04ab7d40$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <200305031718.h43HINw08002@hemlock.violacea.com> <008b01c35a77$b80be060$f561f93f@global> Subject: Re: OH MY GOD!!!! I just saw BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO perform Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:52:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rick U rule. i get more good info and new artists turned on to me through your travels and reviews. thanks big green dude!! Yngwie 'fucking' Malmsteen' is my favorite so far. ill look to check this cat out live. i just download all his avaiable mp3s and want more... thanks for the heads up! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:01 AM Subject: OH MY GOD!!!! I just saw BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO perform > I saw tonight what was one of the most hilarious and > entertaining sets of music that I've ever seen..............EVER!!!! > > BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO. > > I laughed so hard that my sides hurt. I haven't seen someone > engage an audience so ferociously and effectively in a long time. > The whole crowd of 'cooler than thou' twenty somethings out to see > the indie rock bands were singing, laughing, doing silly dances.... > shouting the lyrics (which were being projected onto a little screen > with an overhead projector)........and everybody was into it. > > His final song about Yngwie 'fucking' Malmsteen was worth the price of > admission. > > He's insane........he's hilarious..........he's a pretty damned good > warwick string player (like a stick) and he's got a really good voice. > > He's just so fucking hilarious that you almost forget that he is a really > talented musician to boot. > > And, sports fans....................he's one of us.............a looper!!! > > He has quite an itinerary of gigs on the west coast ahead of him. > > Do go to his website and check him out. > > Amazed...........just amazed............... > > BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO.................wooooooooooo hooooooooooooo, eat a > raisin every time you hear that name. > > yours, rick walker > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 17:10:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44L9Wa05306; Sun, 4 May 2003 17:09:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 17:09:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c31281$4f24d180$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <9AD17544-7E62-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO Quote: Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:08:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "He is the only performer that has ever been told they are too entertaining for Burning Man and asked to stop because the audience was actually paying attention to him and expressing boisterous mellow-harshing enthusiasm. His songs are filled to the brim with humor and biting social commentary, following the Brian Kenney Fresno initiation ritual, the eucharist of raisins." - Sarah Lockhart - 21 Grand Newsletter Nov 2001 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 17:25:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44LIqm05946; Sun, 4 May 2003 17:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 17:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:17:35 -0700 Subject: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Lovely Loopers, I'm in the market for a new reverb unit for my rig. I used a Quadraverb GT for years but never really liked the reverb. I kept it for all it's other features. A while back I got a Lexicon MPX 200. I hate the sound I'm getting: thin and metallic. No preset editing seems to improve the "aftertaste" of the tone. I'm curious what others are using or would like to be using. thanks much, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 17:38:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44Lblp07415; Sun, 4 May 2003 17:37:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 17:37:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.138.112.102] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 17:37:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2003 21:37:34.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FE2B830:01C31285] Resent-Message-ID: <7juA7D.A.xzB.rgYt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Lexicon PCM80 which you can find on ebay for around $800 these days. Still a lot of money but a lot better sounding then those MPX units. Speaking of reverb I want to get a petal verb for when I can't get my 'loop' rack out. Any suggestions please? thanks Lou >From: Zoe Keating >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? >Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:17:35 -0700 > >Hello Lovely Loopers, > >I'm in the market for a new reverb unit for my rig. I used a Quadraverb GT >for years but never really liked the reverb. I kept it for all it's other >features. A while back I got a Lexicon MPX 200. I hate the sound I'm >getting: thin and metallic. No preset editing seems to improve the >"aftertaste" of the tone. > >I'm curious what others are using or would like to be using. > >thanks much, > >Zoe > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 17:41:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44Levf08220; Sun, 4 May 2003 17:40:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 17:40:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:39:41 -0700 Subject: Re: on-stage personal monitoring...loop-related, i assure you From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030504155954.35118.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My roommate plays loopy things in his band Crater. I've seen him sends a mix of necessary sounds to a small personal monitor speaker, on a stand that points directly at the drummer's head. I do this with my band too. We have a looping violinist and cellist. The last show, both of us sent a line from the back of our amps to a single, mulit-input powered speaker for the drummer. We've talked about getting him one of those little mini mixers, so that he could have more direct control over our levels. For myself, I tried using different kinds of headphones and had a few problems. 1) I tend to put my ear over the cello strings when playing and I keep bonking the headphones on the finger board 2) I feel kinda removed physically from the audience and 3) sometime my hair/headdress is elaborate and getting the headphones on and off is complicated! i had one funny moment when they got all tangled up in my dreadlocks and dangled off the side of my head for the remainder of the song. I should still try a discreet "bud" in one ear maybe. Won't mess up my costume! > From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 08:59:54 -0700 (PDT) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: on-stage personal monitoring...loop-related, i assure you > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 12:00:00 -0400 > > the band i play with, mainframe theory, employs loops > all over the place. it's great because it allows me > to become 5 guitarists and it serves as a metronome, > which is great for those drummers that like to speed > up when they get excited. > > but...making sure that everybody can hear the guitar > is difficult. keeping up with the drummer isn't > difficult...keeping up with the guitar is. i'm > thinking that personal mixes via headphones is the > only way to ensure that everybody gets a great mix, so > i want to know if anybody is doing this. i'll > probably need to mic the bass and guitar and feed that > somehow to three sets of phones for myself, bassist, > and most importantly, the drummer. > > suggestions? > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:28:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44MRBB14233; Sun, 4 May 2003 18:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:27:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:27:03 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001101c3128c$49e212e0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1E47F.A.ReD.-OZt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] > Hello Lovely Loopers, > > I'm in the market for a new reverb unit for my rig. I used a //////// > I'm curious what others are using or would like to be using. > > thanks much, > > Zoe Hi Zoe, I'm happy with my old Lexicon LXP-5. Can be picked up cheaply second hand. There's a certain program that mixes delay and reverb that I'm using all the time. Here's how it sounds in my application: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Cheddar_clip.mp3 and http://www.looproom.com/audio/Friendly_Particles_clip.mp3 All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:36:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44MWRY14735; Sun, 4 May 2003 18:32:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:32:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:32:15 EDT Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.3e1b8f74.2be6eeef_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <9BxCqB.A.HmD.6TZt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fb.3e1b8f74.2be6eeef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/4/03 5:20:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cello@zoekeating.com writes: > I'm curious what others are using zoe.....im using an alesis Q-2.....i dont know how alike it is to the GT but i like mine alot.....i have it in one of my aux sends and overabuse it all the time.....i find that it nicely sweetens the mix.....michael --part1_fb.3e1b8f74.2be6eeef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/4/03= 5:20:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cello@zoekeating.com writes:


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zoe.....im using an alesis Q-2.....i dont know how alike it is to the GT but= i like mine alot.....i have it in one of my aux sends and overabuse it all=20= the time.....i find that it nicely sweetens the mix.....michael --part1_fb.3e1b8f74.2be6eeef_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:45:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44MiUN15820; Sun, 4 May 2003 18:44:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:44:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:44:28 -0700 Subject: Re: on-stage personal monitoring...loop-related, i assure you Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, May 4, 2003, at 02:39 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > I should still try a discreet "bud" in > one ear maybe. Won't mess up my costume! The reason I asked about those Sure earbuds is because my worry is that I'll keep yanking them out when I play, as I almost do now when I just walk around with my iPod earbuds. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 19:08:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44N4aL18894; Sun, 4 May 2003 19:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:03:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi zoe- bein a surfzoid looper dude i B kmowin some REVERBZ... for my looper rack nothing beats the which has some of the original lush sounding software written in there. but for REAL reverb in a box nothin is better than tubes and springs... of course i'm talkin about the . other units i own w/ that configuration and both very tubee, reverbee and springee also the has a real good spring reverb tail... i have never heard anything in a pedal that sounds like real reverb-even that spring reverb pedal>-sounds terrible to me(i gave mine away!). is that any help,zoe? btw who is yer roommee in >crater<...wot a great band. of course *any* band w/ nels cline in it is gonna be hellacious... stanatubeian > Hello Lovely Loopers, > > I'm in the market for a new reverb unit for my rig. I used a Quadraverb GT > for years but never really liked the reverb. I kept it for all it's other > features. A while back I got a Lexicon MPX 200. I hate the sound I'm > getting: thin and metallic. No preset editing seems to improve the > "aftertaste" of the tone. > > I'm curious what others are using or would like to be using. > > thanks much, > > Zoe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 19:11:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44N9pC19680; Sun, 4 May 2003 19:09:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:09:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulzric@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.2f1c6428.2be6f7b7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:09:43 EDT Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com TC M300. Cheap, easy, nice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 19:51:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44NoiV23323; Sun, 4 May 2003 19:50:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:50:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030504182333.021b46a0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 18:48:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Vienna...? In-Reply-To: <3d.2f1c6428.2be6f7b7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9Z7p4D.A.TsF.Tdat-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody have insight on the "scene" in Vienna, Austria? In specific, I'm mostly curious regarding what venues feature electronic artists. I know that the Mego label is based there, as well as Pita and some of the other "clicks and cuts" artists. While I don't normally compose in the glitchcore vein (well, not much and generally not on purpose <*grin*>), having some of those artists based in the area leads me to believe there's gotta be something going on there. Is there a Looper community in the vacinity yet? I'm going to be visiting there in a few weeks and wanted to check it out, if only I knew where to start.... TIA!!! -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 20:19:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h450J4g27087; Sun, 4 May 2003 20:19:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:19:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 207.202.167.172 From: "astroblue" To: Subject: RE: bouncing for bucks! Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 17:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: <003f01c3129b$e9db2570$6501a8c0@cobalt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030504123316.029a95a0@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ..because they use unreliable mail servers I use a business quality ISP (?? thought I did anyway! - (NorthWest Link)), one that has many respectable Seattle business clients, which sure doesn't fit the profile you are painting of the ISP of a bouncing client. I think its a little more complicated than you assume. But anyway, since I started using the pop3 account I have through my site at pair.com I haven't had any trouble. So I'm fine, but it took a while to figure this one out and what to do, hence my advice to the list. ...and hey as long as I'm whining (yeh fuck you t-shirt guys right in the ear), no time like the present to throw a five spot in the jar! Just to make sure Kim knows "I'm smiling when I say that" I just did exactly that and those of you playing along at home can too. Do like I just did and drop on over to http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html and hit the "donate" link. Its fun, and you can bitch all you want if you keep dropping bucks in the pot! Bob Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 1:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bouncing (Admin query) At 09:44 AM 4/30/2003, astroblue wrote: >I've had that problem for a few years on LD, it appears that LD msgs >would be bounced back from my account now and then, and I would get >unsubbed. There are only a few people who have that problem, because they use unreliable mail servers that frequently go down or otherwise begin bouncing posts back. Or they use free mail accounts and let them exceed their disk quota all the time. >This is the only list that's ever happened on (of dozens) for me, so >dunno why. Anyway, I had to stop using my main email account for this >list. No big deal, but thought I'd mention it as others may have had >the same experience. > >For whatever reason, the LD mail program seems to be very sensitive to >bounces. If that's happening to you, you might try using a different >account if that is an option. On a medium size list like this with a fair amount of traffic, I have email addresses going bad every day. These result in hundreds of bounce messages coming back to my server every day. A standard feature of any mailing list program is to have bad addresses removed automatically after they bounce a set number of times. If that isn't done the number of bounces will keep multiplying and the server will eventually be overwhelmed and a large amount of bandwidth is wasted. This is why the list server removes them automatically after a few bounces. I use the default setting in my list software of 4 bounces. If anything, I'm inclined to make this number smaller so the list is less tolerant of bad email accounts. To me it is bizarre that the other mailing lists you are on do not do this. They must be either very small lists, or run by someone who does not care or understand about the performance degradation their servers are suffering from. Any experienced list admin will be culling bad addresses like this all the time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 20:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h450PLx27645; Sun, 4 May 2003 20:25:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:25:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 17:25:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Favorite "reverbs": * For atmospheric mangling more than traditional reverb: Korg AM8000R * For reverb: Ibanez SDR1000+ Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 20:53:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h450qs429776; Sun, 4 May 2003 20:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:52:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 17:51:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? From: Zoe Keating To: CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for all the great feedback everyone! many toys out there i will go and try out... and my housemate in crater is a most marvelous and talented chap who goes by the name jhno. > From: > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:03:05 -0700 > To: > Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:04:36 -0400 > > hi zoe- > bein a surfzoid looper dude i B kmowin some REVERBZ... > for my looper rack nothing beats the which has some of the > original lush sounding software written in there. > but for REAL reverb in a box nothin is better than tubes and springs... > of course i'm talkin about the . > other units i own w/ that configuration and space box> both very tubee, reverbee and springee > also the has a real good spring reverb tail... > i have never heard anything in a pedal that sounds like real reverb-even > that spring reverb pedal>-sounds terrible to me(i gave > mine away!). > is that any help,zoe? > btw who is yer roommee in >crater<...wot a great band. of course *any* band > w/ nels cline in it is gonna be hellacious... > > stanatubeian > >> Hello Lovely Loopers, >> >> I'm in the market for a new reverb unit for my rig. I used a Quadraverb GT >> for years but never really liked the reverb. I kept it for all it's other >> features. A while back I got a Lexicon MPX 200. I hate the sound I'm >> getting: thin and metallic. No preset editing seems to improve the >> "aftertaste" of the tone. >> >> I'm curious what others are using or would like to be using. >> >> thanks much, >> >> Zoe >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 22:57:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h452sWg09614; Sun, 4 May 2003 22:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 22:54:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030504185902.029bfc60@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:55:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: bouncing for bucks! In-Reply-To: <003f01c3129b$e9db2570$6501a8c0@cobalt> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030504123316.029a95a0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:18 PM 5/4/2003, astroblue wrote: > > ..because they use unreliable mail servers > >I use a business quality ISP (?? thought I did anyway! - (NorthWest >Link)), one that has many respectable Seattle business clients, which >sure doesn't fit the profile you are painting of the ISP of a bouncing >client. I think its a little more complicated than you assume. haha, you're a funny guy Bob. Yeah, long ago I used to host Looper's Delight at places like that. Serving business customers hardly means an ISP is "reliable". That's why I now run LD out of my own server, managed by my own Linux guru, installed in a carefully selected data center with redundant network and power connections, 24/7 monitoring, very competent techs, and most important, an SLA guaranteeing 100% uptime and statistics to prove they can deliver it. If your ISP is really reliable, they will advertise this right up front and give you numbers to back it up. Interestingly, this DIY route also turned out to be a much cheaper solution than all the crappy "business quality" ISP's I went through in the past. I just found a few other mid size websites who were fed up with crappy overpriced ISP service and we made our own ISP just to serve us. It's worked great and saved us all a lot of headaches and money. >...and hey as long as I'm whining (yeh fuck you t-shirt guys right in >the ear), no time like the present to throw a five spot in the jar! >Just to make sure Kim knows "I'm smiling when I say that" I just did >exactly that and those of you playing along at home can too. > >Do like I just did and drop on over to >http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html and hit the "donate" link. Its >fun, and you can bitch all you want if you keep dropping bucks in the >pot! Hey, I like that policy! $5/whine. If I had $5 for every time some LD user bitched at me for some silly reason, I wouldn't have to beg for money all the time! of course, if you actually want me to do anything about whatever it is your're whining about, that's extra. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:31:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h453ULV14575; Sun, 4 May 2003 23:30:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 23:30:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c312b6$ea012fc0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 23:32:11 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" > Favorite "reverbs": > > * For atmospheric mangling more than traditional reverb: Korg AM8000R > > * For reverb: Ibanez SDR1000+ > > Mark Hmmm, the SDR1000+ was my first digital reverb and I always liked its sound - but it got sick many years ago and I was just looking at it today and wondering if it would be worth the $ to get it fixed. It has a limited hi-freq response but I could edit up a nice sound on it quickly. Thanks for mentioning it - think I'll take it to the Dr. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 00:17:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h454Ew519929; Mon, 5 May 2003 00:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:14:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030505041451.90338.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: bouncing for bucks! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030504185902.029bfc60@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > > Hey, I like that policy! $5/whine. If I had $5 for > every time some LD user > bitched at me for some silly reason, I wouldn't have > to beg for money all > the time! > > of course, if you actually want me to do anything > about whatever it is > your're whining about, that's extra. > > kim How about this? Anyone who gives $25 gets a personalized mp3 from Kim telling us to S*T*F*U! John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 00:45:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h454iLO22121; Mon, 5 May 2003 00:44:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:44:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030504214109.00b13590@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:44:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The SDR-1000 was the first digital reverb I remember actually using. A friend owned one and everyone called it "Brad's phone number" as in we used Brad's phone number on the guitars and drums (due to the number of digits in the model number). At 05:25 PM 2003/05/04, Mark Hamburg wrote: >* For reverb: Ibanez SDR1000+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 00:56:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h454uIh23295; Mon, 5 May 2003 00:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... References: <20030503083841.73520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c31213$372e84e0$bf08fc0c@amd> <003001c3121a$b91581f0$bf08fc0c@amd> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 23:56:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <003001c3121a$b91581f0$bf08fc0c@amd> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 4 May 2003 02:54:07 -0600, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > I'm afraid of the Boss Metal Zone, because I bought the DOD "Death Metal" > pedal once and it was the noisiest pedal I have ever encountered. I > mean, > the hiss/hum was as loud as the notes you would play. Great for getting > Yamatsuka Eye and Mike Patton vocal filth for sound collages, but not > much > good for crunchy guitar with clean breaks. Ah well, for those tight clean breaks, you'll definitely need some sort of noise gate. I know Meshuggah also wax their pickups to prevent feedback. Getting a good metal sound can be quite complicated :) -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 01:02:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4551cf25082; Mon, 5 May 2003 01:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 01:01:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 22:01:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030504214109.00b13590@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I might note that I recently sold my PCM-70 and kept my Ibanez. Does the Ibanez surpass the Lexicon on technical accounts, on detail of the model, etc.? Probably not. But I've got some reverb programs that I've used over the years on the Ibanez that sound really nice and it's much less involved to use than the Lexicon was. As a result, it's probably gotten a lot more use over the years. My history with reverbs has been: Yamaha SPX-90 where the chief fun was cranking the reverb to between 20 and 99 seconds. Ibanez SDR-1000+. Lexicon PCM-70. Alesis Quadraverb. The only one I have left is the Ibanez now supplemented by the Korg AM8000R. Mark on 5/4/03 9:44 PM, Sean Echevarria at sean@loomwebdesign.com wrote: > The SDR-1000 was the first digital reverb I remember actually using. A > friend owned one and everyone called it "Brad's phone number" as in we used > Brad's phone number on the guitars and drums (due to the number of digits > in the model number). > > > At 05:25 PM 2003/05/04, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> * For reverb: Ibanez SDR1000+ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 02:22:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h456IEH31967; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:18:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 02:18:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 23:18:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This thread has me confessing that I still use the Yamaha SPX-90 for my vocals thru the PA when I do jobs that require a "real" PA, as opposed to the Carvin powered mini-PA type amps I've been using for the smaller jobs I usually get, playing at a volume everyone can ignore me at. I used it on a job at a hotel in Indian Wells on Thursday, a 3 hour drive from my home each way--I think this is out where Todd Reynold's parents live--and I noticed the GT-3 sounded remarkably brittle and digital after working a little with the MPX-G2. I think the MPX-G2 has good reverbs, too! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 03:00:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h456xLq02649; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 02:59:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030505010456.009ddb40@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 01:04:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Zoe, I also have a Quad GT, which I really only use for the plate sound in it, and I usually use several different processors and such for sounds. One that I really like though, if you can find it, is the Boss SE-70. It's a lil' half-rack multi-effects processor, which has some really beautiful lush smooth reverbs and effects in it. I used to use it a lot for processing guitar, and now use it mostly for vocals. anyway, -just my thoughts... -Best of luck finding what yer' looking for... Smiles, Cara At 05:51 PM 5/4/03 -0700, you wrote: >thanks for all the great feedback everyone! many toys out there i will go >and try out... > >and my housemate in crater is a most marvelous and talented chap who goes by >the name jhno. > >> From: >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:03:05 -0700 >> To: >> Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:04:36 -0400 >> >> hi zoe- >> bein a surfzoid looper dude i B kmowin some REVERBZ... >> for my looper rack nothing beats the which has some of the >> original lush sounding software written in there. >> but for REAL reverb in a box nothin is better than tubes and springs... >> of course i'm talkin about the . >> other units i own w/ that configuration and > space box> both very tubee, reverbee and springee >> also the has a real good spring reverb tail... >> i have never heard anything in a pedal that sounds like real reverb-even >> that spring reverb pedal>-sounds terrible to me(i gave >> mine away!). >> is that any help,zoe? >> btw who is yer roommee in >crater<...wot a great band. of course *any* band >> w/ nels cline in it is gonna be hellacious... >> >> stanatubeian >> >>> Hello Lovely Loopers, >>> >>> I'm in the market for a new reverb unit for my rig. I used a Quadraverb GT >>> for years but never really liked the reverb. I kept it for all it's other >>> features. A while back I got a Lexicon MPX 200. I hate the sound I'm >>> getting: thin and metallic. No preset editing seems to improve the >>> "aftertaste" of the tone. >>> >>> I'm curious what others are using or would like to be using. >>> >>> thanks much, >>> >>> Zoe >>> >>> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 07:08:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45B6uD21168; Mon, 5 May 2003 07:06:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:06:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030505110646.32213.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 04:06:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ive also heard good things about the Rocktron intelleflex I am also hunting for a good vocal harmonizer/pitch shifter any suggestions out there? L.a --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > I might note that I recently sold my PCM-70 and kept > my Ibanez. Does the > Ibanez surpass the Lexicon on technical accounts, on > detail of the model, > etc.? Probably not. But I've got some reverb > programs that I've used over > the years on the Ibanez that sound really nice and > it's much less involved > to use than the Lexicon was. As a result, it's > probably gotten a lot more > use over the years. > > My history with reverbs has been: > > Yamaha SPX-90 where the chief fun was cranking the > reverb to between 20 and > 99 seconds. > > Ibanez SDR-1000+. > > Lexicon PCM-70. > > Alesis Quadraverb. > > The only one I have left is the Ibanez now > supplemented by the Korg AM8000R. > > Mark > > on 5/4/03 9:44 PM, Sean Echevarria at > sean@loomwebdesign.com wrote: > > > The SDR-1000 was the first digital reverb I > remember actually using. A > > friend owned one and everyone called it "Brad's > phone number" as in we used > > Brad's phone number on the guitars and drums (due > to the number of digits > > in the model number). > > > > > > At 05:25 PM 2003/05/04, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > >> * For reverb: Ibanez SDR1000+ > > > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 07:28:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45BRAn22604; Mon, 5 May 2003 07:27:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:27:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c401c35b44$4e242040$ef61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305050445.h454jFh22257@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Zoe's talented roomate in CRATER Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 04:25:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <_mVFxC.A.DhF.Oqkt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zoe mentioned jhno, her talented roomate in crater. more needs to be said, methinks: jhno is also an amazing solo artist in the abstract electronica field. i love his work. it is both timeless and melodic and, at the same time really unique, fresh, creative and thought provoking. he has at least three solo CDs that I"m aware of and, hopefully, more (understand, KWNO, membrane). He is also part of a duet called SPOOL that I really like. i had the privilege of performing on the same bill as jhno at one of the infamous Electron Salon concerts (produced by another amazing woman, Veronique Larcher, spacialization expert from Creative Labs). Using a laptop and a table full of those sexy XYMOX drum machines and analogue synths, he did as beautiful a live laptop concert as I've heard. http://subminimal.uioiu.com/jhno.html is a photo from that cool concert. he's also a brilliant software designer for Cycling '74 and the inventor of the wonderful new LOOPING software tool, RADIAL and an excellent pianist. check his music out.................it's great. http://www.scottamendola.com/bio_jhno_frame.html a true rennaisance person, yours, rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 07:49:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45BlV624146; Mon, 5 May 2003 07:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:47:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.200.93.145] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: Subject: Streaming Audio over web Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:46:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2003 11:47:25.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[18D7A4B0:01C312FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone explain to me why the background audio on D Torn's site splattercell.com plays at different speeds on different PCs? My home connection is a dial up modem, and the first time I heard DT's site looping AU file I thought, that's a nice loop, been pitch shifted down about an octave or two. Listening to it at work, over an ISDN conection, it plays at a more 'normal' speed.... Two questions then, why are they different, and does anyone know which one is the intended speed ( I like the really slow one ! ) While we're on the subject, how do folks here prefer to use sounds on their own web pages ? I noticed Andre La Fosse has downloadable MP3's and Real Audio streaming ( which my brand new XP pc won't play in Media Player, it shuts itself down 'due to a problem' ) but are people using other methods/formats ? thanks A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 07:50:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45BnVQ24318; Mon, 5 May 2003 07:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:49:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.200.93.145] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: "Loop" Subject: streaming audio on web - Q Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:48:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2003 11:49:25.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[601E6890:01C312FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone explain to me why the background audio on D Torn's site splattercell.com plays at different speeds on different PCs? My home connection is a dial up modem, and the first time I heard DT's site looping AU file I thought, that's a nice loop, been pitch shifted down about an octave or two. Listening to it at work, over an ISDN conection, it plays at a more 'normal' speed.... Two questions then, why are they different, and does anyone know which one is the intended speed ( I like the really slow one ! ) While we're on the subject, how do folks here prefer to use sounds on their own web pages ? I noticed Andre La Fosse has downloadable MP3's and Real Audio streaming ( which my brand new XP pc won't play in Media Player, it shuts itself down 'due to a problem' ) but are people using other methods/formats ? thanks A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 08:02:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45C0E626127; Mon, 5 May 2003 08:00:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:00:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012c01c35b48$ecb58d80$ef61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305050445.h454jFh22257@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: European Loop Tour Diary? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 04:58:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <1Q5Wl.A.HYG.OJlt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I'm considering doing a modest loop tour diary for my upcoming summer tour of Europe and the British Isles and putting it at my website.......... www.looppool.info. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in me posting it or excerpts of it here at Loopers Delight. I want to be sensitive to excessive gig spam but also thought folks might be interested. let me know your feelings. i don't want to be gratuitous. thanks, rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 10:27:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45EPgP08927; Mon, 5 May 2003 10:25:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:25:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007701c31206$afdb6280$cd5cef9b@LeRoux> References: <007701c31206$afdb6280$cd5cef9b@LeRoux> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:25:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Intro/ zoom bfx 708 II (other options) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm not sure how these work w/ bass, but here are a few options that i use (w/ guitar) (and if you're talking "inexpensive on a budget"): 1. dod d12 -i just saw one on harmony-central.com ads last week for 85$. (i got mine new for 120$ back in '02 as new old stock, 12 sec of delay/sample time) 2. tascam porta 05--i went and bought a 5$ 20-sec recycling tape from radio shack and turned my old 4-tracker into a 4-track tape loop option. it's not perfect, but it works (especially the more you use it). when you ask other looping options and mention "inexpensive", there are a few, they are not perfect, but will help w/ looping (and i don't have personal experience w/ these): 1. new boss dd-6 (5 sec) 2. new boss dd-20 (is this the right #? i think it does 23 sec of delay time) 3. digitech x-series delay (4 sec) 4. line 6 dl4 (14 sec of looping time) 5. boss loop station all of the above are under 300$us. have their various +/-'s... good luck! s--- >Hi. > >I am looking at getting into live looping- I have been playing around with >software for quite a while that does some looping (not real time) and >listening to a couple of artists who use looping in their work (eg. tim >reynolds, steve lawson). I am a bass player and one of the 'budget' options >I am looking at is the zoom bfx708 II- this is an effects box with a built >in drum machine (not much use) and a sampler that samples to internal memory >or to smartmedia cards. Has anyone used this for looping live? >Are their any alternative 'budget'options for loopers (under 300us)? I'm not >being cheap, I live in south africa and the exchange rate makes anything >musical a bit out of our reach. > >Thanks! >?eter -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 10:40:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45EdDa09980; Mon, 5 May 2003 10:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:39:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030504152202.58086.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030504152202.58086.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:39:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Voice pitch shifters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've had good results w/ my lexicon mpx100 (now defunct and replaced w/ the mpx110). i did some weird voice processing w/ it and i thought it worked quite well. it gives you the option of pitch shift alone or pitchshift w/ delay or pitch shift w/ reverb. i've read some reviews where people think it sounds digital or has some lag, but then i think, well, it's digital, and i didn't notice that much lag time really. it does only have a range of one octave up or down. it is definately clean sounding w/ no noise. i got mine new a yr ago for 199$ (i've seen them used in the 100$ range), the 110 is 199$ new now. i think it's decent, i'm sure it doesn't compare w/ higher end lexicon stuff or eventide, etc... but works good on a limited budget (which i have). s--- >At 1:38 AM -0700 5/3/03, Louie Angulo wrote: >>has anybody experience with voice pitch shifters?I >>am looking for a good one(not overpriced) to use > >live. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 11:36:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45FYq916535; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:34:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:34:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: MIDI control of Virtual Effects To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:36:02 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/05/2003 11:36:04 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings Spent the weekend discovering that the FX Machine effects matrix within SparkXL works wonderfully processing realtime audio input (guitar), both in OSX and 9.2.2. (Oh, the places I'll go, the plugins I'll know!) Is anybody else playing around with this kind of thing? All that's so far keeping this from being a really magnificent processing option is realtime MIDI continuous control. A few assignable LFOs would be sweet, too. Tips, anyone? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 12:05:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45G3f420422; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:03:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:03:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:03:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <231E9956-7F13-11D7-ADFA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, May 4, 2003, at 11:18 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > I think the MPX-G2 has good reverbs, too! > I agree. Lexicon MPX1 sounds good too. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 12:05:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45G2aw20264; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:02:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:02:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:04:20 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c3131f$fd15bcc0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030505010456.009ddb40@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What hasn't been mentioned here for a *cheap* solution for lots of normal and strange reverbs is the Zoom 1201. I also use a Behringer Virtualizer Pro (also great price/performance ratio, and the possibility to create excellent surreal spaces with combined reverb/delay patches - check out the "Trance" patch), both in my small rack, and a FireworX (for the "good" reverbs) and a Digitech StudioQuad (great again for surreal stuff - using combinations of panners or delays and reverbs for surround spaces) - but I guess you'd rate the StudioQuad "metallic and thin". Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 12:54:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45GqHq24889; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:52:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:52:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 12:52:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Zoe's talented roomate in CRATER From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c401c35b44$4e242040$ef61f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for taking the time rick... this is exactly who I know jhno to be. he is someone to be a big fan of. though have not met him personally to date... of course, so is nels cline. but jhno has changed our electronica world a little, methinks... and radial is indeed a great program... I beta-tested it and am a very happy user... t. On 8/5/03 7:25 AM, "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Zoe mentioned jhno, her talented roomate in crater. > > more needs to be said, methinks: > > jhno is also an amazing solo artist in the abstract electronica > field. i love his work. it is both timeless and melodic and, at > the same time really unique, fresh, creative and thought provoking. > he has at least three solo CDs that I"m aware of and, hopefully, more > (understand, KWNO, membrane). He is also part of a duet called SPOOL > that I really like. > > i had the privilege of performing on the same bill as jhno at one of the > infamous Electron Salon concerts (produced by another amazing woman, > Veronique > Larcher, spacialization expert from Creative Labs). Using a laptop > and a table full of those sexy XYMOX drum machines and analogue synths, he > did as beautiful a live laptop concert as I've heard. > http://subminimal.uioiu.com/jhno.html is a photo from that cool concert. > > he's also a brilliant software designer for Cycling '74 and the inventor > of the wonderful new LOOPING software tool, RADIAL and an excellent > pianist. > > check his music out.................it's great. > http://www.scottamendola.com/bio_jhno_frame.html > > a true rennaisance person, > > yours, rick walker > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 12:55:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45GsIf25091; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:54:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:54:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030505165415.65604.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: OT - digital mixer package for sale To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what's up loopers, just wanted to give the heads up, i'm parting with my fully expanded Tascam Tm-D1000 system. This setup gives me 16 channels simultaneous into the computer, or a pretty cool live rig with lots of effects and 4 aux sends. The package consists of three parts: the full expanded D1000: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2527981392&category=23785 the MA-AD8 8-channel mic-to-TDIF preamp and converter: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2527988142&category=23785 and a Soundscape Mixtreme 16-channel interface card for the computer with DSP chip: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2527992844&category=41787 thanks for your time, loop on... - dylanhassinger@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 13:00:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45GxGE26908; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:59:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:59:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EB69777.DC156A4D@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 09:55:19 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: European Loop Tour Diary? References: <200305050445.h454jFh22257@hemlock.violacea.com> <012c01c35b48$ecb58d80$ef61f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love tour diaries. I think it'd be fascinating to hear about tours in the looping world, I've read quite a few from the punk/indie rock perspective but would love to hear yours and think it'd be fully on-topic. I'd enjoy seeing posts here on the list. just my vote - and good luck with the plans! Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > I'm considering doing a modest loop tour diary for my upcoming summer > tour of Europe and the British Isles and putting it at my website.......... > www.looppool.info. > > I was wondering if anyone would be interested in me posting it or excerpts > of it > here at Loopers Delight. > > I want to be sensitive to excessive gig spam but also thought folks might be > interested. > > let me know your feelings. i don't want to be gratuitous. > > thanks, rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 13:13:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45HBlm28051; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.10489341.2be7f54a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:11:38 EDT Subject: Re: European Loop Tour Diary? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.10489341.2be7f54a_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6b.10489341.2be7f54a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/5/03 8:02:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > i don't want to be gratuitous. > > does that mean having nice hair?.....i vote post away, i for one would be really interested in your sojourn abroad and i bet it will be always related to looping in some way.....michael --part1_6b.10489341.2be7f54a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/5/03= 8:02:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


i don't want to be gratuitous.<= BR>


does that mean having nice hair?.....i vote post away, i for one would be re= ally interested in your sojourn abroad and i bet it will be always related t= o looping in some way.....michael --part1_6b.10489341.2be7f54a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 13:27:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45HPUm29676; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 10:24:14 -0700 Subject: Re: European Loop Tour Diary? From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012c01c35b48$ecb58d80$ef61f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i would be most interested. go nuts! > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 04:58:45 -0700 > To: > Subject: European Loop Tour Diary? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:00:14 -0400 > > Hi gang, > > I'm considering doing a modest loop tour diary for my upcoming summer > tour of Europe and the British Isles and putting it at my website.......... > www.looppool.info. > > I was wondering if anyone would be interested in me posting it or excerpts > of it > here at Loopers Delight. > > I want to be sensitive to excessive gig spam but also thought folks might be > interested. > > let me know your feelings. i don't want to be gratuitous. > > thanks, rick walker > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 13:29:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45HS3x30020; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:28:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:28:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: reverb & zoe's household Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 10:27:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2003 17:27:57.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB65C1C0:01C3132B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >and my housemate in crater is a most marvelous and talented chap who goes >by the name jhno. Yeah, Zoe lives in one of those households that we all covet - lots of talented musicians there - herself, jhno, and quiet american all share a fantastic warehouse space. On the subject of reverb - I've been doing stuff for the last 10 years, and the only time I used a reverb unit was a couple weeks in 1996 when I borrowed it from a friend (accounting for 3 of the songs in "5 Spots"). In fact, up till 1998 or so, I was pronouncing it wrong. Admittedly, I'm looking into experimenting with it more in the future, but it seems like it's one of those effects that musicians are way to dependent on. That and guitar overdrive. Matt _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 13:33:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45HVwK30428; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:31:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 10:30:42 -0700 Subject: Re: reverb & zoe's household From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's another way to imagine our warehouse space: 6000 SQUARE FEET OF DUSTING AND VACUUMING !!!! ah, the grass is always greener they say...next time i'm grumbling about warehousework i'll try to remember how fortunate i am! > From: "matt davignon" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 10:27:57 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: reverb & zoe's household > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:28:03 -0400 > >> and my housemate in crater is a most marvelous and talented chap who goes >> by the name jhno. > > Yeah, Zoe lives in one of those households that we all covet - lots of > talented musicians there - herself, jhno, and quiet american all share a > fantastic warehouse space. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 13:47:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45HjqH31774; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:45:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:45:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <72.2d588ca8.2be7fd45@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:45:41 EDT Subject: Check out Peter Brotzmann- Dying Like A Dog To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_72.2d588ca8.2be7fd45_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_72.2d588ca8.2be7fd45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this was sent to me by our drummer in KLUTTER this morn.....a very nice read about FREE IMPROVE in music and life.....michael.....Click here: Peter Brotzmann- Dying Like A Dog --part1_72.2d588ca8.2be7fd45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this was sent to me by ou= r drummer in KLUTTER this morn.....a very nice read about FREE IMPROVE in mu= sic and life.....michael.....Click here: Peter Brotzmann- Dying Like A Dog --part1_72.2d588ca8.2be7fd45_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 13:54:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45HqIl32360; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:52:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:52:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:52:17 -0400 Subject: Re: European Loop Tour Diary? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012c01c35b48$ecb58d80$ef61f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yo rick, what would it involve... just cutting and pasting? i'm not a web-maven, but would be happy to consider doing lite keyboard labor... maybe someone better for the job, though... depending... I have trouble keepin my own site updated... but I'm lookin' for stuff to do to contribute to the list. next stop, paypal. t. On 8/5/03 7:58 AM, "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Hi gang, > > I'm considering doing a modest loop tour diary for my upcoming summer > tour of Europe and the British Isles and putting it at my website.......... > www.looppool.info. > > I was wondering if anyone would be interested in me posting it or excerpts > of it > here at Loopers Delight. > > I want to be sensitive to excessive gig spam but also thought folks might be > interested. > > let me know your feelings. i don't want to be gratuitous. > > thanks, rick walker > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 14:17:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45IAbs02866; Mon, 5 May 2003 14:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:10:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Gary hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com geoff did you ever hear from gary? just curious. bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 14:18:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45ICJA03069; Mon, 5 May 2003 14:12:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:12:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200305050445.h454jFh22257@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c401c35b44$4e242040$ef61f93f@global> Subject: Re: Zoe's talented roomate in CRATER Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:12:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2003 18:12:13.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA687570:01C31331] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jhno played the morrison planetarium last night. Excellent! Though the sound system wasn't all that well set up for his set :/ So much low-mid, I started feeling nauseous. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:25 AM Subject: Zoe's talented roomate in CRATER > Zoe mentioned jhno, her talented roomate in crater. > > more needs to be said, methinks: > > jhno is also an amazing solo artist in the abstract electronica > field. i love his work. it is both timeless and melodic and, at > the same time really unique, fresh, creative and thought provoking. > he has at least three solo CDs that I"m aware of and, hopefully, more > (understand, KWNO, membrane). He is also part of a duet called SPOOL > that I really like. > > i had the privilege of performing on the same bill as jhno at one of the > infamous Electron Salon concerts (produced by another amazing woman, > Veronique > Larcher, spacialization expert from Creative Labs). Using a laptop > and a table full of those sexy XYMOX drum machines and analogue synths, he > did as beautiful a live laptop concert as I've heard. > http://subminimal.uioiu.com/jhno.html is a photo from that cool concert. > > he's also a brilliant software designer for Cycling '74 and the inventor > of the wonderful new LOOPING software tool, RADIAL and an excellent > pianist. > > check his music out.................it's great. > http://www.scottamendola.com/bio_jhno_frame.html > > a true rennaisance person, > > yours, rick walker > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 14:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45IYcG05566; Mon, 5 May 2003 14:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Check out Peter Brotzmann- Dying Like A Dog Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:34:31 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000c01c31334$f8012e80$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C31345.BB89FE80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <72.2d588ca8.2be7fd45@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6u5aXB.A.1WB.-6qt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C31345.BB89FE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks. Some very interesting thoughts there ;-) Per Boysen -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Check out Peter Brotzmann- Dying Like A Dog this was sent to me by our drummer in KLUTTER this morn.....a very nice read about FREE IMPROVE in music and life.....michael.....Click here: Peter Brotzmann- Dying Like A Dog ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C31345.BB89FE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
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this was sent to me by our = drummer in=20 KLUTTER this morn.....a very nice read about FREE IMPROVE in music and = life.....michael.....Click = here: Peter=20 Brotzmann- Dying Like A Dog = ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C31345.BB89FE80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 15:06:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45Is6V08044; Mon, 5 May 2003 14:54:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:54:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 19:55:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <014e85653180553PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h45Is5B08021 Resent-Message-ID: <8HGFaC.A.k9B.ONrt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Zoe, I use two reverbs in my studio,: I have the T.C. Electronics M-One-XL which is the upgraded version of the M-One. Its worth having a listen to. I also have an old Zoom 9120 which came out in the early 90s but was highly rated then by reviewers and I still think it sounds great (well I've kept it for years). Certainly, the t.c. M-One-XL is worth considering. I got mine for £345 (UK pounds) - there are of course more expensive t.c. and Lexicon reverbs but this is very good at the price. I look forward to hearing what others recommend and what you go for. Ian. At 22:17 04/05/03 , you wrote: >Hello Lovely Loopers, > >I'm in the market for a new reverb unit for my rig. I used a Quadraverb GT >for years but never really liked the reverb. I kept it for all it's other >features. A while back I got a Lexicon MPX 200. I hate the sound I'm >getting: thin and metallic. No preset editing seems to improve the >"aftertaste" of the tone. > >I'm curious what others are using or would like to be using. > >thanks much, > >Zoe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 15:11:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45J9P610805; Mon, 5 May 2003 15:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:09:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 15:08:33 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MXR Digital Delay MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <786B191C.4936B60D.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know anything about the single rack MXR Digital Delay unit? Is it worth $30.00? Why or why not? Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 16:35:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45KXDD21894; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:33:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:33:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c701c35b90$76b816a0$7d63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305051747.h45HlWU31927@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Vocal Pitch Shifters Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:30:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love my new DIGITECH VOCAL 300 although I hear that they just released the VOCAL 400 (www.musiciansfriend.com) It does not have intelligent pitch shifting but it has a whole slew of cool effects with an expression pedal that is customizable. It's changed my found sound, green plastic bashing, wierd extended vocal techniques life, I must say. I'll demo it for you personally in Southern Germany, louie. yours, rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 16:35:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45KXKF21916; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:33:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:33:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:32:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <014e85653180553PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own a TC Electronic G-Major. It's more than a reverb, but the reverb component is very nice. It is also quiet like most TC Electronic products. I also own a Lexicon Reflex (out of production) that was a pretty good buy for the money. The TC is better, though. Jeff >> Hello Lovely Loopers, >> >> I'm in the market for a new reverb unit for my rig. I used a Quadraverb GT >> for years but never really liked the reverb. I kept it for all it's other >> features. A while back I got a Lexicon MPX 200. I hate the sound I'm >> getting: thin and metallic. No preset editing seems to improve the >> "aftertaste" of the tone. >> >> I'm curious what others are using or would like to be using. >> >> thanks much, >> >> Zoe >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 17:12:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45LAwE27590; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:10:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Support Looper's Delight with a PXR4 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:10:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Freeloaders-- I have just proudly ordered a Korg PXR4 from Zzounds thru Kim's website. Anybody else using this one? Any chance of looping? Certainly will make it easier to capture performances of looping . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 17:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45LQs129770; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:26:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:26:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:25:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200305051725.AA931332308@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Streaming Audio over web X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <82LVAC.A.MQH.nbtt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >While we're on the subject, how do folks here prefer to use sounds on their >own web pages ? I noticed Andre La Fosse has downloadable MP3's and Real >Audio streaming ( which my brand new XP pc won't play in Media Player, it >shuts itself down 'due to a problem' ) but are people using other >methods/formats ? > Streaming RealAudio and Downloadable MP3s used to be pretty standard. You could be certain that pretty much everyone could play those. These days, I'm not so sure. WindowsMedia may have taken the advantage over real now. The bonus is that the RealOne player can play windows media too, so WM/MP3 is probably a more up-to-date combination. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 18:31:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45MV7t04994; Mon, 5 May 2003 18:31:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:31:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:30:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ten years ago I sold my car and bought a Lexicon 300. I am still enjoying my response to that impulse, so to speak. The lex has sustained its value far longer than the car would have, and I was able to rent it out on tours and films for long enough to recover the expense. It's a little big and heavy, but that looping harmonized bowed bass that Church program....mmmmm.... -Alex S. At 4:32 PM -0400 5/5/03, Jeffrey Lomas wrote: >I own a TC Electronic G-Major. It's more than a reverb, but the reverb >component is very nice. It is also quiet like most TC Electronic products. > >I also own a Lexicon Reflex (out of production) that was a pretty good buy >for the money. The TC is better, though. > >Jeff > >>> Hello Lovely Loopers, >>> >>> I'm in the market for a new reverb unit for my rig. I used a Quadraverb GT >>> for years but never really liked the reverb. I kept it for all it's other >>> features. A while back I got a Lexicon MPX 200. I hate the sound I'm >>> getting: thin and metallic. No preset editing seems to improve the >>> "aftertaste" of the tone. >>> >>> I'm curious what others are using or would like to be using. >>> >>> thanks much, >>> >>> Zoe >>> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 18:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45MgK806310; Mon, 5 May 2003 18:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:42:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:49:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: favorite reverbs Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favorite reverb is in the stairway at the Natural Science building on the UC Santa Cruz campus, but seriously, I've been very happy with my TC electronics Model one, very clean transparent breathtaking reverb algorithms and very good input headroom, I have yet to clip the front end of the thing. Of the less expensive reverbs, the old lxp 1 is a classic and the newer mpx series stuff has some nice verbs but you have to watch your signal levels going in to it. My cheap old MPX100 has an amazing infinite reverb setting and some great delayed parallel harmony settings. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 19:20:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45NKAE10661; Mon, 5 May 2003 19:20:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:20:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.9244c09.2be84b7c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:19:24 EDT Subject: Re: European Loop Tour Diary? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h45NJfB10610 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 19:23:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45NMxS10974; Mon, 5 May 2003 19:22:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:22:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <24.3d7d48d1.2be84c28@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:22:16 EDT Subject: Re: European Loop Tour Diary? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h45NMLB10914 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Opps, That empty message got sent by mistake. Rick, Please post your tour blog wherever. I'll be checkin' up on it. tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 19:55:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45NsFM14193; Mon, 5 May 2003 19:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030505235328.55789.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:53:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Vocal Pitch Shifters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c701c35b90$76b816a0$7d63f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com man i am getting very excited about it Rick! P.S.Jesus from Bern Switzerland (hispano collectivo) just told me that i should let you know that july is a bad time for Booking gigs there at the moment.Did he mail you as well? Take care L.a --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > I love my new DIGITECH VOCAL 300 > > although I hear that they just released the VOCAL > 400 > (www.musiciansfriend.com) > > It does not have intelligent pitch shifting > but it has a whole slew of cool effects with an > expression pedal > that is customizable. > > It's changed my found sound, green plastic bashing, > wierd extended vocal > techniques life, I must say. I'll demo it for you > personally in > Southern Germany, louie. > > yours, rick > > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 20:00:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45NxU915885; Mon, 5 May 2003 19:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030505235851.65653.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Digital reverbs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find the little boss pedal RV3 not too bad either l.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 20:09:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4608mG16609; Mon, 5 May 2003 20:08:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:08:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c31363$8f718f20$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <20030505235851.65653.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Digital reverbs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 01:08:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <1MNHuC.A.gCE.ozvt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Quadreverb 2 and an Eventide Orville (often together) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 12:58 AM Subject: Digital reverbs > I find the little boss pedal RV3 not too bad either > l.a > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 20:31:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h460Tts18329; Mon, 5 May 2003 20:29:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:29:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:28:35 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , nyhappenings@yahoogroups.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 5/6: Gal/Peterkin/Ritchford Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gal/Peterkin/Ritchford Solos, duets and trios. Berhard Gal (Austria): powerbook loops Kirk Bradley Peterkin: (NYC) air synth/fx, box loops Tom Ritchford (NYC): electronic wind, vox, fx loops Tuesday, May 6 at 8 PM. Chama 332 E4th St (between C and D) Suggested donation: $3-$5. http://www.gargoylemechanique.com/chama/chama_main.html /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 21:26:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h461PpS24799; Mon, 5 May 2003 21:25:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:25:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:25:25 -0400 Subject: Re: MXR Digital Delay Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <786B191C.4936B60D.007D6382@aol.com> Message-Id: <9D27AF72-7F61-11D7-A144-000393DAB2B8@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1Df9I.A.8CG.I8wt-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you mean the 1500? I've always loved it. Check out: http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/MXR/1500_Digital_Delay- 01.html David Lee Myers Feedback Music at http://www.pulsewidth.com On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 03:08 PM, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > Anyone know anything about the single rack MXR Digital Delay unit? Is > it worth $30.00? Why or why not? > > Thanks! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 21:55:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h461t3n27546; Mon, 5 May 2003 21:55:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:55:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:53:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Ten years ago I sold my car and bought a Lexicon 300. > > -Alex S. i bow in your general direction, alex! stan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 02:35:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h466YqX26524; Tue, 6 May 2003 02:34:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 02:34:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1052202857.3eb75769adfde@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 02:34:17 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Novation Bass Station keyboard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com with manual (printed from novation site) and original power supply. $310 w/shipping cont. US pics and references available. thanks, --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 03:01:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4670K429056; Tue, 6 May 2003 03:00:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 03:00:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 23:59:58 -0700 Subject: Rogue...Cheap Stereo volume pedal for a keyboard? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1052202857.3eb75769adfde@www.suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: <598FF0A3-7F90-11D7-90B0-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, remember this thread? Heh, I knew you would. Anyway, here's my question. I've got a keyboard module (Roland XV-5050) that had no expression pedal input at all. (STOOPID) I need to control it's volume relative to a guitar and another synth module. In my perfect world, I could do this via MIDI, but unless someone knows of a pedal that just puts out MIDI volume CC at a reasonable price, I'm out of luck. Right now, there's no way I can afford an Ernie Ball, and to be honest, I don't think that level of "feel" is necessary. I'm not going to use it a lot, just to fade in a sound to an appropriate level, then later fade it out. Simple. Not ride a note like I do with guitar to change the attack characteristics. Anyway, I see a Rogue VP-201 Stereo Volume Pedal selling for $25 and I have to say I'm tempted. Anyone have experience with one of these? I'm not expecting it to be great, and I know you get what you pay for, but if it lasts for a year in my house and controls the volume for me (again, feel isn't that important for me) I'll be happy. I'm more worried that it will fall apart or sound all scratchy in a week or two and/or kill the tone of my nice keyboard module. If that's so, I can take the bad news and I'll wait until I can get a EB or maybe the Boss FV-50L. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 03:17:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h467GEJ30130; Tue, 6 May 2003 03:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 03:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.1486e324.2be8bb14@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 03:15:32 EDT Subject: RE: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What hasn't been mentioned here for a *cheap* solution for lots of normal > and strange reverbs is the Zoom 1201. worst reverbs I ever heard ;-) (and Rick Walker does horrible things to the decor on these) the Zoom 1202 actually had some vaguely OK reverbs, much better than the 1201 which replaced it. > I also use a Behringer Virtualizer Pro surprisingly good pea soup and useful 5s stereo delay which 100% feedback for non-metalic at a budget, I'd go for a Lexicon Alex 2nd hand. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 03:53:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h467qaI32152; Tue, 6 May 2003 03:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 03:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1052207519.3eb7699f3dd1f@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 03:51:59 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rogue...Cheap Stereo volume pedal for a keyboard? References: <598FF0A3-7F90-11D7-90B0-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <598FF0A3-7F90-11D7-90B0-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Mark Sottilaro : > Anyway, I see a Rogue VP-201 Stereo Volume Pedal selling for $25 and I well, i'd go ahead and get it. yeah it's crappy (most likely) but IT'S ONLY TWENTY FIVE BUCKS!!! :) and it'll probably do just fine. probably. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 04:41:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h468eoN04607; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:40:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 04:40:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:43:16 +0100 Subject: Re: Gary hall From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/5/03 7:10 pm, bruce tovsky at bruce@skeletonhome.com wrote: > geoff > did you ever hear from gary? > just curious. > bruce > Yes he reply almost immediately and he was very helpful, now I feel like I need to trace the evolution of digital-delay, to sample delay to the digital sampler. Its got me thinking I guess about the evolution of sampling and what it evolved from, so I am off to the library again!!! I want to know how the progression from digtal delay to digital sampling happened. Its interesting to me how live-looping has in a sense evolved in such a different way to sampling in terms of a feature set, Its now also surprising to me that most hardware samplers can't do any form of live sampling and manipulation. Its also making me realise just how amazing the pcm42 was (from using psp42 too!!!) and perhaps how amazing it is still. Which puts forward the question in my head ...why were there never samplers with live-looping, it would be great to be able to design your sound as it loops and play it across a keyboard gradually adding layers until it sounds great. Its a shame that the EDP doesn't allow you to change the pitch of you loop in the same way you can on the PCM42 (and indeed analogue tape).MMMMMM PCM42 the start of many things perhaps. As always much to learn Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 04:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h468pcW05825; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 04:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c313ac$80d12a40$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: Support Looper's Delight with a PXR4 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 02:50:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they are fun machines. used the smart media cards that cameras use. lil' 4 tracks have came a LONG way. dont know if they 'loop'. congrats! enjoy, jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann To: Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Support Looper's Delight with a PXR4 > Hi Freeloaders-- > I have just proudly ordered a Korg PXR4 from Zzounds thru Kim's website. > Anybody else using this one? Any chance of looping? > Certainly will make it easier to capture performances of looping . . . > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 05:01:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46911R07878; Tue, 6 May 2003 05:01:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 05:01:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c313ad$cfcb8f40$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <200305051747.h45HlWU31927@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c701c35b90$76b816a0$7d63f93f@global> Subject: Re: Vocal Pitch Shifters Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 02:59:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sweet rickster, i just orfered off ebay. cant wait! ive been using digitechs stuff for years now. first time ive used one for vocals stuff though. have u had any trouble with the unit being noisy? ive heard a couple of people say it was noisy and others say it depends on how u set your levels. the v400 is the same unit with usb capabilities etc. i think it is the same sounds though. what are some of your favorite patches? peace jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Vocal Pitch Shifters > I love my new DIGITECH VOCAL 300 > > although I hear that they just released the VOCAL 400 > (www.musiciansfriend.com) > > It does not have intelligent pitch shifting > but it has a whole slew of cool effects with an expression pedal > that is customizable. > > It's changed my found sound, green plastic bashing, wierd extended vocal > techniques life, I must say. I'll demo it for you personally in > Southern Germany, louie. > > yours, rick > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 05:18:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h469IOA08834; Tue, 6 May 2003 05:18:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 05:18:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c313b0$347d3ae0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <200305050445.h454jFh22257@hemlock.violacea.com> <012c01c35b48$ecb58d80$ef61f93f@global> Subject: Re: European Loop Tour Diary? Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 03:16:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com do it do it do it do it do it???! thanks rickster! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: European Loop Tour Diary? > Hi gang, > > I'm considering doing a modest loop tour diary for my upcoming summer > tour of Europe and the British Isles and putting it at my website.......... > www.looppool.info. > > I was wondering if anyone would be interested in me posting it or excerpts > of it > here at Loopers Delight. > > I want to be sensitive to excessive gig spam but also thought folks might be > interested. > > let me know your feelings. i don't want to be gratuitous. > > thanks, rick walker > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 07:31:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46BUHC19674; Tue, 6 May 2003 07:30:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:30:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 07:29:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Favorite Reverb for your looping rig ? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <014e85653180553PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h46BTlB19625 Resent-Message-ID: <0JWBk.A.5yE.ry5t-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dear zoe, my sweetest and most reliable reverb Ever, Eventides excepted, was and still is the Lexicon LXP1. you can probably find one for a $200, and the mpx G2 doesn't even touch it, most CERTAINLY not the lower level mpx 100 and 200, though in the MPX1 and G2 they're supposed to be the same algorithms... some people on the list might take issue with this... but I am a firm believer in this "perfect for transport" half-rack old unit. hope you have one near you to try. if so, lemme know if it works for you... for some reason I thought maybe nels might have one, but I could be wrong... best, t. On 5/5/03 2:55 PM, "Ian Popperwell" wrote: > Hi Zoe, > I use two reverbs in my studio,: > I have the T.C. Electronics M-One-XL which is the upgraded version of the > M-One. Its worth having a listen to. I also have an old Zoom 9120 which came > out in the early 90s but was highly rated then by reviewers and I still think > it sounds great (well I've kept it for years). > > Certainly, the t.c. M-One-XL is worth considering. I got mine for £345 (UK > pounds) - there are of course more expensive t.c. and Lexicon reverbs but this > is very good at the price. > I look forward to hearing what others recommend and what you go for. > > Ian. > At 22:17 04/05/03 , you wrote: >> Hello Lovely Loopers, >> >> I'm in the market for a new reverb unit for my rig. I used a Quadraverb GT >> for years but never really liked the reverb. I kept it for all it's other >> features. A while back I got a Lexicon MPX 200. I hate the sound I'm >> getting: thin and metallic. No preset editing seems to improve the >> "aftertaste" of the tone. >> >> I'm curious what others are using or would like to be using. >> >> thanks much, >> >> Zoe >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 09:55:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46DsZN02935; Tue, 6 May 2003 09:54:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:54:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <598FF0A3-7F90-11D7-90B0-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <598FF0A3-7F90-11D7-90B0-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:54:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Rogue...Cheap Stereo volume pedal for a keyboard? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i bought one of the cheap rogue stereo passive volume pedals from musicians friend to use w/ my digitech rp100 (for volume/wah/whammy features) and it works quite well (for guitar)! it's held up to my studio use (sitting down while i play) and it holds up to my 2 1/2 yr old son who loves to "wah wah" also at times. i think i got mine for 19$, but i think they went up shortly after i got mine. i think they are quite sturdy for the price, but i'm not sure how they would hold up to live/standing up playing over a period of time,etc... but for the price, they are decent... s--- >Hey, remember this thread? Heh, I knew you would. > >Anyway, here's my question. I've got a keyboard module (Roland >XV-5050) that had no expression pedal input at all. (STOOPID) I >need to control it's volume relative to a guitar and another synth >module. In my perfect world, I could do this via MIDI, but unless >someone knows of a pedal that just puts out MIDI volume CC at a >reasonable price, I'm out of luck. Right now, there's no way I can >afford an Ernie Ball, and to be honest, I don't think that level of >"feel" is necessary. I'm not going to use it a lot, just to fade in >a sound to an appropriate level, then later fade it out. Simple. >Not ride a note like I do with guitar to change the attack >characteristics. > >Anyway, I see a Rogue VP-201 Stereo Volume Pedal selling for $25 and >I have to say I'm tempted. Anyone have experience with one of >these? I'm not expecting it to be great, and I know you get what >you pay for, but if it lasts for a year in my house and controls the >volume for me (again, feel isn't that important for me) I'll be >happy. I'm more worried that it will fall apart or sound all >scratchy in a week or two and/or kill the tone of my nice keyboard >module. If that's so, I can take the bad news and I'll wait until I >can get a EB or maybe the Boss FV-50L. > >Mark -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 10:22:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46EM6D07801; Tue, 6 May 2003 10:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:22:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Support Looper's Delight with a PXR4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:22:30 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/06/2003 10:22:31 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently did a bit of phone research on this and 2 other mini 4-trackers, the Zoom micro thing (PSO2) and the Tascam bigger-than-your-hand thing (Portastudio 5). According to the manufacturers, only the Tascam will actually loop a track or section of a recording. > Hi Freeloaders-- > I have just proudly ordered a Korg PXR4 from Zzounds thru Kim's website. > Anybody else using this one? Any chance of looping? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 10:23:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46ENIt08072; Tue, 6 May 2003 10:23:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:23:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: PXR4--Only OT Cause it Doesn't Loop Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:22:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <008601c313ac$80d12a40$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy George wrote: they are fun machines. used the smart media cards that cameras use. lil' 4 tracks have came a LONG way. dont know if they 'loop'. congrats! enjoy, jg >>As a reply to my ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Freeloaders-- > I have just proudly ordered a Korg PXR4 from Zzounds thru Kim's website. > Anybody else using this one? Any chance of looping? > Certainly will make it easier to capture performances of looping . . . > Gary > > I downloaded the manual and browsed it--sounds like it is much a Pandora as it a PortaStudio. It's got drum tracks! And loads of guitar effects--2 seconds of delay--hey I used to loop with that in the 80s--but I now worry about the sound quality (MP2???) and being able to export as a wave file to the desktop. Also of note--I searched the manual by key word--sorry guys, no looping (rubber biscuit). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 10:40:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46EdQR10715; Tue, 6 May 2003 10:39:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:39:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Support Looper's Delight with a PXR4 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:38:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4FwdnC.A.mlC.9j8t-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: I recently did a bit of phone research on this and 2 other mini 4-trackers, the Zoom micro thing (PSO2) and the Tascam bigger-than-your-hand thing (Portastudio 5). According to the manufacturers, only the Tascam will actually loop a track or section of a recording. **But can you loop the Tascam on the fly? And does it record .wavs? If I were Dr. Z I'd do my own damn research--but the PXR's probably gonna be here tomorrow. Thanks all, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 11:07:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46F6fG15459; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: Support Looper's Delight with a PXR4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:06:58 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/06/2003 11:06:59 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<**But can you loop the Tascam on the fly? And does it record .wavs?>> Don't think so: it's an mp3 device, and loop points need to be set, afik. Manuals, etc here: http://www.tascam.com/products/pocketstudio/pocketstudio5/downloads.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 11:41:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46Feb519480; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:40:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:40:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:40:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Gary hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <02C66AA8-7FD9-11D7-90B0-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 01:43 AM, Geoff Smith wrote: > ...why were there never > samplers with live-looping, it would be great to be able to design your > sound as it loops and play it across a keyboard gradually adding layers > until it sounds great. It's not a hardware sampler, but this is a great little program: http://www.steim.org/steim/lisa.html > Its a shame that the EDP doesn't allow you to change > the pitch of you loop in the same way you can on the PCM42 (and indeed > analogue tape) Have you tried a Repeater? It does operate in this way. Kind of like a Mellotron. > MMMMMM PCM42 the start of many things perhaps. > As always much to learn > Geoff True. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 11:52:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46FqHG20512; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:52:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:52:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030506155145.29161.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:51:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: PXR4--Only OT Cause it Doesn't Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The "Drum Tracks" are rather misleading. They are basically a collection of patterns ala a fancy metronome. You can't program any changes and you can't transfer the rhythm track to the computer when you are done -- they are just included for timing and feel I guess. You can run a cable from the line out to the line in and record one of the patterns onto a track but the sound degradation is rather annoying, similar to a fourth generation bounced track on a cassette portastudio. Other than that this thing has a crap load of features for the size! --- Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jimmy George wrote: > > they are fun machines. used the smart media cards > that cameras use. lil' 4 > tracks have came a LONG way. dont know if they > 'loop'. > > congrats! > > enjoy, > > jg > > >>As a reply to my > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Hi Freeloaders-- > > I have just proudly ordered a Korg PXR4 from > Zzounds thru Kim's website. > > Anybody else using this one? Any chance of > looping? > > Certainly will make it easier to capture > performances of looping . . . > > Gary > > > > > > I downloaded the manual and browsed it--sounds like > it is much a Pandora as > it a PortaStudio. It's got drum tracks! And loads > of guitar effects--2 > seconds of delay--hey I used to loop with that in > the 80s--but I now worry > about the sound quality (MP2???) and being able to > export as a wave file to > the desktop. Also of note--I searched the manual by > key word--sorry guys, > no looping (rubber biscuit). > Gary > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 12:51:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46Gp1p27314; Tue, 6 May 2003 12:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:46:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Gary hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:43 AM +0100 5/6/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >I feel like I need to trace the evolution of digital-delay, to sample >delay to the digital sampler. AMS claims to have produced the first digital delay. Lexicon makes a similar claim. You might also want to talk to Richard Factor at Eventide. >why were there never samplers with live-looping The Akai S612 (1986-87) was a 6-voice sampler that could be used to capture and manipulate loops live. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 12:57:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46GutA27852; Tue, 6 May 2003 12:56:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:56:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030506165635.66146.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:56:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Streaming Audio over web To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Andrew Taylor wrote: > While we're on the subject, how do folks here prefer to use sounds on their > own web pages ? I noticed Andre La Fosse has downloadable MP3's and Real > Audio streaming ( which my brand new XP pc won't play in Media Player, it > shuts itself down 'due to a problem' ) but are people using other > methods/formats ? I don't have any sounds on web pages. As a user, I don't really care for web pages that try to start sounds, because depending on someone's system configuration, they may not work right (and in some cases, may cause things like browser crashing, etc). I much prefer downloading the files manually. But hey, I've been called "old school". I don't care if my web browsing looks like a multimedia show, in fact, most of the time I prefer it didn't. Beyond that, as someone who is contained behind a fairly restrictive corporate firewall much of the time, anything that requires streaming, or a file format other then mp3 is difficult for me to use. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 13:21:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46HHqi31200; Tue, 6 May 2003 13:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:17:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:17:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Gary hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <8fAoc.A.XnH.A5-t-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The Akai S612 (1986-87) was a 6-voice sampler that could be used to > capture and manipulate loops live. well, i beg to differ on the 612. as a former owner (and lover) of a 612 i must say that, while it was revolutionary, it really couldn't work "live" any more than any other sampler. what it did have was a very cool user interface - just two sliders - that allowed you to set your start and end points live. so, yes, it could do live manipulations. for a totally awesome live sampling experience i would have to place the publison at the top. to my knowledge it was one of the very first digital delay/samplers that had a keyboard, and it could to incredible sample stretching and manipulation, similar to the 'format' samplers of the present. totally mind-boggling circa the mid-80s. i listen to stuff i did with it back then and i still wish i had it around! cheers bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 14:51:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46Imm612810; Tue, 6 May 2003 14:48:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:48:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20030506165635.66146.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Streaming Audio over web Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:48:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2003 18:48:42.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D73F500:01C31400] Resent-Message-ID: <4AZm7B.A.BID.QOAu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I don't have any sounds on web pages. As a user, I don't really care for web > pages that try to start sounds, because depending on someone's system > configuration, they may not work right (and in some cases, may cause things like > browser crashing, etc). I much prefer downloading the files manually. But hey, > I've been called "old school". I don't care if my web browsing looks like a > multimedia show, in fact, most of the time I prefer it didn't. > Streaming refers to files that you can listen to before they download completely, rather than ones that just start up when you hit the page. bIz (º·.¸(¨*·.¸.¸¸...¸¸.¸.·*¨)¸.·º) «.· ° ·.groovetronica.com.· ° ·.» 4/2/03 - the all-new site is up and running! (¸.·º(¸.·¨'"'¨¨"¨¨'"'¨·.¸)º·.¸) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 15:25:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46JM7m17355; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:07:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Gary hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:17 PM -0400 5/6/03, bruce tovsky wrote: >well, i beg to differ on the 612. as a former owner (and lover) of a >612 i must say that, while it was revolutionary, it really couldn't >work "live" any more than any other sampler. I think you and I have different conceptions of "live"! I never owned one of these, but a friend did. I was able to play it as a musical instrument within 5 minutes, using just the front panel controls. I'd grab sounds on the fly and manipulate the playback parameters as real time controls. The only other sampler I've been able to do that with is the Eventide H3000, and I had to use a FaderMaster with that. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 16:10:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46K6be22599; Tue, 6 May 2003 16:06:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:06:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:05:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Gary hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <25E8069A-7FFE-11D7-8DEB-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com richard once i began my reply i came to that realization as well. live is a different thing to different folks. i remember vividly seeing mike matthews show the prototype of the 612 to some friends of mine at manny's in nyc, and it was a mind-blower for the price. the closest thing to my concept of "live" sampling is the grm tools plugin called "freeze" - this gives you a window with a streaming waveform display (of whatever is being fed through the plug) and the ability to grab a chunk of sound and then work it in a manner very similar to the akai's, with the added ability to have multiple versions of the loop with offsetting. very cool. bruce > I think you and I have different conceptions of "live"! I never owned > one of these, but a friend did. I was able to play it as a musical > instrument within 5 minutes, using just the front panel controls. I'd > grab sounds on the fly and manipulate the playback parameters as real > time controls. The only other sampler I've been able to do that with > is the Eventide H3000, and I had to use a FaderMaster with that. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 16:38:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46KbYQ25725; Tue, 6 May 2003 16:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <25E8069A-7FFE-11D7-8DEB-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> References: <25E8069A-7FFE-11D7-8DEB-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:30:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Gary hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:05 PM -0400 5/6/03, bruce tovsky wrote: >live is a different thing to different folks...the closest thing to >my concept of "live" sampling is the grm tools plugin called >"freeze" - this gives you a window with a streaming waveform display >(of whatever is being fed through the plug) and the ability to grab >a chunk of sound and then work it in a manner very similar to the >akai's, with the added ability to have multiple versions of the loop >with offsetting. Freeze is great! I haven't used it in performance myself, but electroacoustic composer/performer Nicholas Verin used it to sample flute and clarinet on a recent tour. Ableton Live and Cycling '74 radiaL offer related capabilities. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 17:02:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46L1Dk29487; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:01:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Support Looper's Delight with a PXR4 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:00:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2003 21:00:29.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[86BDD320:01C31412] Resent-Message-ID: <0ra1b.A.sLH.0JCu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the pxr4, but so far have only used it in a pretty straight forward manner, I played with the effects and drumbeats for an hour or so, but basically I use it as a recorder period. If I get a chance I'll fiddle around with it this weekend (a busy busy weekend for me) and see what it can do because dammit mark! You got me hooked on this whole looping thing!! Will Wright Army of Pie >From: dcoffin@taunton.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Support Looper's Delight with a PXR4 >Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:22:30 -0400 > > >I recently did a bit of phone research on this and 2 other mini 4-trackers, >the Zoom micro thing (PSO2) and the Tascam bigger-than-your-hand thing >(Portastudio 5). According to the manufacturers, only the Tascam will >actually loop a track or section of a recording. > > > Hi Freeloaders-- > > I have just proudly ordered a Korg PXR4 from Zzounds thru Kim's website. > > Anybody else using this one? Any chance of looping? > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 17:03:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46L1mP29504; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:01:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:01:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:00:06 -0700 Subject: Free Digitech RDS 3600 From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0gHmND.A.oKH.YJCu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It turns on but just makes awful noises for the delay. The problem could be simple. It could be impossible. If it worked, it would have something like 7 seconds of delay time. In any event, it's free. If you want to collect it from me in San Jose or Scotts Valley, I'll give it a way to a good or even not so good home. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 17:05:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46L4Bg29921; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:04:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:04:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PXR4--Only OT Cause it Doesn't Loop Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:03:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2003 21:03:28.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[F144F160:01C31412] Resent-Message-ID: <_QdNMD.A.KSH.mMCu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mp2 is a pretty good format, a lot larger a file than mp3, but not as compressed either so the sound is pretty good. Transferring sound to my PC was a bit of a pain in the ass, but it worked. >I downloaded the manual and browsed it--sounds like it is much a Pandora as >it a PortaStudio. It's got drum tracks! And loads of guitar effects--2 >seconds of delay--hey I used to loop with that in the 80s--but I now worry >about the sound quality (MP2???) and being able to export as a wave file to >the desktop. Also of note--I searched the manual by key word--sorry guys, >no looping (rubber biscuit). >Gary _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 17:18:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46LHXo31291; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1052255796.3eb826343da4b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:16:36 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free Digitech RDS 3600 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: <69nvpD.A.CnH.1YCu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'll give you 30 bucks if you can put it in a box, and send it regular mail. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 17:42:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46LfEq01592; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:41:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:41:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1052257232.3eb82bd0eaa8a@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:40:32 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 5 bucks a whine, one buck a misdirected reply References: <1052255796.3eb826343da4b@www.suitandtieguy.com> In-Reply-To: <1052255796.3eb826343da4b@www.suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so my self-perscribed atonement for not replying to the right address was a one dollar donation. yeah i'm a cheapskate. but i'm a cheapskate who normally refuses to use paypal :) --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 17:55:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46LsJj02998; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:54:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:54:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030506145326.049f3eb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:54:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 5 bucks a whine, one buck a misdirected reply In-Reply-To: <1052257232.3eb82bd0eaa8a@www.suitandtieguy.com> References: <1052255796.3eb826343da4b@www.suitandtieguy.com> <1052255796.3eb826343da4b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:40 PM 5/6/2003, Eric Williamson wrote: >so my self-perscribed atonement for not replying to the right address was >a one >dollar donation. ha! that's a good one. thanks for the buck! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 18:24:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46MIaJ07145; Tue, 6 May 2003 18:18:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:18:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:16:44 -0700 Subject: looking for tim crowe... From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c701c35b90$76b816a0$7d63f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone have a recent email address for looping percussionist tim crowe? the one i tried (seemso@directvinternet.com) bounced back to me. thanks! zzz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 19:29:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46NSWQ16005; Tue, 6 May 2003 19:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:27:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: free improv. in a band Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [80.58.38.107] Message-Id: <20030506232738.27F454B19@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h46NRqB15898 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for all the replies. got some nice ideas from you. thanks, thanks, ... raül. _____________________________________________________________ fighting for independence? - incorporate online, simple and inexpensive: http://www.ad-free.info/incorporatestart.htm hate online advertising? we answer the call: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/aboutus.aspx _____________________________________________________________ if somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our anti-spam policy here: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/spaminfo.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 20:09:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47081T23789; Tue, 6 May 2003 20:08:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:08:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EB85109.3319DA70@erols.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:19:21 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam New Jersey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Mazzarella vocals/acoustic guitar/lap steel/loops Thursday, May 8th, 8pm-10pm solo looping performance @ The Town Grind 25 East Main Street Denville, NJ 973-625-9666 Friday, May 9th, 8pm-11pm w/bassist James Smith @ Sweet Dreams Cafe 42 Lincoln Place Madison, NJ 973-377-2010 Hope to see you there, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 21:46:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h471jAf04376; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:45:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:45:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c3143a$04776ca0$2f63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Subject: LOOPPOOL: Summer 2003 Live Looping Tour of Europe and the British Isles Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:43:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <2VFhuC.A.ZDB.NUGu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I wanted to post my touring dates and invite everyone from the list to come see the lunacy that is my live show if you are so inclined: Rick Walker's LOOP.POOL European/British Isles tour of summer 2003 special thanks to the people who invented and make the GIBSON EDP + Echoplex, The Swedish Government (for underwriting my tour their), All the amazing loopers and promoters who have helped to get me gigs and put me up in their 'cat free environments'.............LOL and my beautiful,talented singer/songwriter/producer/multiinstrumentalist wife who will be the most overqualified roadie in the history of the universe SWEDEN May 13 travel Santa Cruz/San Francisco/Frankfurt/Gothenburg and mightily confuse airport security exports with the wierd things that pass for instruments in my road cases---"No sir, that 10" dayglo green dildo is part of a musical piece................honest" 1st Swedish Looping Tour with Per Boysen (Sweden), Matthias Grob (Brazil) and moi May 16 GOTHENBURG House of Arts "The Ocean" May 17 HULTSFRED ROCK CITY for "music week" 10 p.m. May 18 URSHULT LADAN (the barn) clinic 6 p.m. /concert 8 p.m. May 19 drive to STOCKHOLM May 20-21 editing live tracks May 23 ALMUNGE Corporate Conference May 24 STOCKHOLM somewhere in city play outdoors at 2 p.m. "FETE DE LAMUSIQUE"then...........concert at Macken (The Gas Station) 8 p.m. May 25-28 days off June 29-30-31 STOCKHOLM ELECTRONICA 2003 headlining LIVE INTERNATIONAL LOOPING PERFROMANCE on Friday 30 at 8 p.m. June 3 NORRKOPING clinic/public concert June 4 STOCKHOLM House Of Arts---flat rooftop bar ( with guest artist Gustaf Hielm (8 string electric bass) and Jair-Rôhm Parker Wells (acoustic upright bass, bow and electronics) IRELAND June 11 DINGLE The Celtic & Prehistoric Museum Kilvicadownig, Ventry, Dingle, Co. Kerry 7:30 p.m. 10 euros entrance (with Harris Moore, Hammer Dulcimer) (353)669159191) June 12 DINGLE St. James Church 7:30 pm, 10 euros entrance (with Steve Coulter, Irish Harp) 087-982-9728 or stevecoulter@eircom.net NORTHERN IRELAND June 13 BELFAST Powerhaus presents...Rick Walker's Loop pool (with Special Guest found sound/percussionist extraordinaire, Paul Marshall) Linenhall Library, Donegall Square North 8pm Admission £8 & £5 concession WALES June 16 1st WELSH LOOPING FESTIVAL in SWANSEA The monkey Cafe' 9.30 - 10pm. 3 quid to get in, £2 for concessions. (with Gareth Whittock) ENGLAND *June 17 LONDON (with Steve Lawson) venue to be announced *June 19 LONDON " " *June 20 LONDON " " June 21 1st CAMBRIDGE FESTIVAL OF LOOPING (with Os and many other list members) 8pm the michaelhouse cafe £5/£4 info@cambridg-loopfest.org.uk FRANCE *June 28 PARIS still negotiating (anyone wanna host a house concert in gay Paris or environs?) GERMANY July 3 COLOGNE Galerie Rachel Haferkam (contact: Hanjo Scharfenberg) Eigelstein 112 (with Michael Peters) 50668 Koeln (Cologne), Germany Tel. +49 221 1393259 http://www.rachelhaferkamp.com July 4 BERLIN 1st BERLIN LOOPING FESTIVAL (venue to be announced) ( with Leander Renininhaus, Andreas Villers and more) July 7 RADOLFZELL "Bockle" 8:30 p.m. 5 euros ( with Louie Angulo) GREECE *July 10-13 NAFPLIO (music festival----------venue to be announced) ITALY July 17 MILAN 2003 - h.22.00 at Associazione Gheroartè (with Bruno Kleinefeld) c/o Stazione FS di Corsicovia Gramsci 4, 20094 Corsico (MI) tel/fax (0039)02/45103113 - 339/6901684 - 349/4759779 www.gheroarte.com *July 18 FLORENCE (venue to be announced---- with Massimo Liverani) July 19 GARDA LAKE ---- Rivolta Wine Bar in Rivoltella del Garda at 22.00 free admission (with Luca Formentini) July 20-27 ROMAN HOLIDAY!!!!!!!!!! July 28 Depart ROME-FRANKFURT-SAN FRANCISCO-SANTA CRUZ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 21:46:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h471jCw04378; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:45:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:45:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:44:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Support Looper's Delight with a PXR4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7538CEB2-802D-11D7-BC16-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HA HA HA ANOTHER VICTEM! MARK SOTTILARO On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Will Wright wrote: > > I have the pxr4, but so far have only used it in a pretty straight > forward manner, I played with the effects and drumbeats for an hour or > so, but basically I use it as a recorder period. If I get a chance > I'll fiddle around with it this weekend (a busy busy weekend for me) > and see what it can do because dammit mark! You got me hooked on this > whole looping thing!! > > Will Wright > Army of Pie > >> From: dcoffin@taunton.com >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Support Looper's Delight with a PXR4 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:22:30 -0400 >> >> >> I recently did a bit of phone research on this and 2 other mini >> 4-trackers, >> the Zoom micro thing (PSO2) and the Tascam bigger-than-your-hand thing >> (Portastudio 5). According to the manufacturers, only the Tascam will >> actually loop a track or section of a recording. >> >> > Hi Freeloaders-- >> > I have just proudly ordered a Korg PXR4 from Zzounds thru Kim's >> website. >> > Anybody else using this one? Any chance of looping? >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 22:54:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h472mYT12005; Tue, 6 May 2003 22:48:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:48:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:55:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: OT: Hey Mathias! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mathias, I can't seem to find your e-mail addres and I was wondering if you are still planning to be in California and Nevada in late summer for Burning Man, and what those dates are. Would you mind contacting me off list? Thanks Bill Walker chilyb@cruzio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 23:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h473JbE16907; Tue, 6 May 2003 23:19:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:19:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EB85109.3319DA70@erols.com> References: <3EB85109.3319DA70@erols.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:09:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: gig spam New Jersey Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:19 PM -0400 5/6/03, John Mazzarella wrote: > The Town Grind > 25 East Main Street > Denville, NJ > > Sweet Dreams Cafe > 42 Lincoln Place > Madison, NJ That's a flash! I grew up in Union, Sparta, and Summit. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 23:40:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h473dbt19359; Tue, 6 May 2003 23:39:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:39:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 05:38:59 +0200 Subject: Ebay France: DYNACHORD EC504 Tape Echo Rack Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <704BD118-803D-11D7-BEF3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Considering the rarity of these units, I thought that I'd post to the list this discovery: DYNACHORD EC504 Tape Echo Rack - 4 head tape delay/looper.... http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2528728968&category=17397 Currently one bid at 250EUR with 4 days 10hrs left on the auction. If anyone onlist purchases this, I'd love to have a look/play at it one day :) - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 00:07:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47476a23803; Wed, 7 May 2003 00:07:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:07:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <154.1f0cd5f2.2be9e03b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:06:19 EDT Subject: Re: LOOPPOOL: Summer 2003 Live Looping Tour of Europe and the British Isles To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_154.1f0cd5f2.2be9e03b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_154.1f0cd5f2.2be9e03b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/6/03 9:45:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > I wanted to post my touring dates WOW!.....m --part1_154.1f0cd5f2.2be9e03b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/6/03= 9:45:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


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WOW!.....m --part1_154.1f0cd5f2.2be9e03b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 01:51:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h475oZb04089; Wed, 7 May 2003 01:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 01:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:49:55 +0200 Subject: Re: LOOPPOOL: Summer 2003 Live Looping Tour of Europe and the British Isles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006301c3143a$04776ca0$2f63f93f@global> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, May 7, 2003, at 03:43 am, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > FRANCE > *June 28 PARIS still negotiating (anyone wanna host a house concert > in > gay Paris > > or > environs?) Hi Rick! I've still been searching for a venue (without luck). I've even tried cafe's that I know used to have live music, and what with the new laws regarding live entertainment, most have stopped having live bands. Most dont have any equipment any more.... I doubt that I will be in Paris for the gig on the 28th - but I've contacted as many people as I can to try and get you a place. Paris really sucks on the music front atm... I'm escaping Paris at the end of the month/beginning of June. No doubt I'll bump into you somewhere. Its an impressive tour list! - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 02:00:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h475xws06264; Wed, 7 May 2003 01:59:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 01:59:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:59:33 +0200 Subject: Repeater/Line6 update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <13106208-8051-11D7-BEF3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been giving it a lot of thought over the past week or two, and it looks like I probably will trade in a lot of my current equipment for a Line6 option. I hope to have 3 echo Pro's and a Filter Pro, The echo pro's all controlled with the 1010, and the filter controlled by the Roland. I've rehearsed the concept of separate loops using a couple of DL4's, and the freedom that multiple loops gives me is incredible... I can bounce effortlessly from one to another, thus extending a loop from 4 beats to 32... My music is very evolutionary lately, and I rarely dwell on a separate loop for more than a minute or two. The sync is going to be tricky to master, but I think that its possible to have full control.... Being able to reverse, half/double speed, retrigger, start/stop, overdub, record separate loops without it affecting other loops is incredible, and can only be bettered with multiple EDP's (lots of $$$'s).... So in the meantime, before I can afford my rack of EDP's, I think I'm going to be a Line6 person. I've had a few people comment that if I waited, and auctioned my Repeater for $$$'s, then I'd get a high price for it. However, I got the Repeater free through donations... and I have a feeling that the person who wants the Repeater in France will do a lot of good with it (unlike me)... If I lose out money wise, then I'm just feeding back into the Karma... and at the same time creating a rig that I can actually use comfortably. I hope that I make the right decision.... :) - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 02:09:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4768Vx07257; Wed, 7 May 2003 02:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 02:08:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:08:05 -0700 Subject: Re: gig spam New Jersey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <44538BF3-8052-11D7-B3D5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 08:09 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > > That's a flash! I grew up in Union, Sparta, and Summit. > -- Heh, I wonder if I ever sold you any gear when I worked at Rondo music on 22... I worked there in 84 or so. Grewed up in Perth Amboy though. Boy was that a scum pit. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 02:12:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h476Bej07564; Wed, 7 May 2003 02:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 02:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:11:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater/Line6 update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <13106208-8051-11D7-BEF3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're happy, it's a good decision. Good luck. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 10:59 PM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I've had a few people comment that if I waited, and auctioned my > Repeater for $$$'s, then I'd get a high price for it. However, I got > the Repeater free through donations... and I have a feeling that the > person who wants the Repeater in France will do a lot of good with it > (unlike me)... If I lose out money wise, then I'm just feeding back > into the Karma... and at the same time creating a rig that I can > actually use comfortably. > > I hope that I make the right decision.... :) > > - Stu > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 02:28:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h476S4p08815; Wed, 7 May 2003 02:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 02:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44538BF3-8052-11D7-B3D5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <44538BF3-8052-11D7-B3D5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:27:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: gig spam New Jersey Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:08 PM -0700 5/6/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Heh, I wonder if I ever sold you any gear when I worked at Rondo >music on 22... I worked there in 84 or so. Not likely. I left NJ in '63. Ah, Route 22! One of the most ragged and terrifying highways of my youth. There actually was a time, while attending elementary school in Union, that I crossed 22 on foot twice a day. I lived across the street from Galloping Hill golf course and went to Sunday School at Connecticut Farms Presbyterian (the same congregation where the British shot Rev. Caldwell's wife back in 1780). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 05:28:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h479Rs627810; Wed, 7 May 2003 05:27:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 05:27:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 02:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPPOOL: Summer 2003 Live Looping Tour of Europe and the British Isles Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [80.58.38.107] Message-Id: <20030507092628.1F2E83DE8@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... arghhh ... never the sunny Spain ... we just get from the states: Madonnas, Ricky Martins, GeoregBushes, .... maybe the next time ... _____________________________________________________________ fighting for independence? - incorporate online, simple and inexpensive: http://www.ad-free.info/incorporatestart.htm hate online advertising? we answer the call: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/aboutus.aspx _____________________________________________________________ if somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our anti-spam policy here: http://www.ad-free-mall.biz/shop/company/spaminfo.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 06:32:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47AVWX00392; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 06:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.200.93.145] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: References: <20030506165635.66146.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Streaming Audio over web Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:39:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2003 10:30:56.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEA9B490:01C31483] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the sound from DT's Splattercell site starts up almost immediately when I'm connected with a mere 56k modem is it streamng or has it been downloaded ? There's an AU format file ( 'multisplatloop' ) embedded in the HTML with the 'LOOP' function to set it playing, as opposed to a 'Click here to listen/download' option. Any feedback on the fact that I hear the loop at two different speeds, depending on where I connect from ( Modem vs ISDN ) ? thanks, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Streaming Audio over web > Streaming refers to files that you can listen to before they download > completely, rather than ones that just start up when you hit the page. > > bIz > > > (º·.¸(¨*·.¸.¸¸...¸¸.¸.·*¨)¸.·º) > «.· ° ·.groovetronica.com.· ° ·.» > 4/2/03 - the all-new site is up and running! > (¸.·º(¸.·¨'"'¨¨"¨¨'"'¨·.¸)º·.¸) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 07:03:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47B23c04373; Wed, 7 May 2003 07:02:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:02:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c31488$0442cba0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030506165635.66146.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Streaming Audio over web Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:01:29 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Taylor" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:39:AM Subject: Re: Streaming Audio over web > If the sound from DT's Splattercell site starts up almost immediately when > I'm connected with a mere 56k modem is it streamng or has it been downloaded > ? > There's an AU format file ( 'multisplatloop' ) embedded in the HTML with the > 'LOOP' function to set it playing, as opposed to a 'Click here to > listen/download' option. > > Any feedback on the fact that I hear the loop at two different speeds, > depending on where I connect from ( Modem vs ISDN ) ? I have a wma file that doesn't loop but is a startup sound for the page at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html - see if that's different from your various stations. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > thanks, > Andrew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: Streaming Audio over web > > > > Streaming refers to files that you can listen to before they download > > completely, rather than ones that just start up when you hit the page. > > > > bIz > > > > > > (º·.¸(¨*·.¸.¸¸...¸¸.¸.·*¨)¸.·º) > > «.· ° ·.groovetronica.com.· ° ·.» > > 4/2/03 - the all-new site is up and running! > > (¸.·º(¸.·¨'"'¨¨"¨¨'"'¨·.¸)º·.¸) > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 11:15:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47FEL600734; Wed, 7 May 2003 11:14:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:14:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030507151331.76195.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: European Loop Tour Diary? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <012c01c35b48$ecb58d80$ef61f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > I'm considering doing a modest loop tour diary for my upcoming summer > tour of Europe and the British Isles and putting it at my website.......... > www.looppool.info. Very interested in reading it, Rick. > I was wondering if anyone would be interested in me posting it or excerpts > of it here at Loopers Delight. I'm content to read it on your website. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 12:04:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47G3jq07409; Wed, 7 May 2003 12:03:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:03:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <105.2df5c04e.2bea881d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:02:37 EDT Subject: Re: LOOPPOOL Summer 2003 Live Looping Tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h47G2kB07175 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, All I want to say to you is go out there and "break a stick" man! You are the foremost ambassador of our little LD looping world. Go ye forth and conquer! Or, short of that, have a really good time over there in the E.U. Warmest regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 12:15:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47GEaF08735; Wed, 7 May 2003 12:14:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:14:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c314b3$a9ac2ac0$02edfea9@becomenieswqf3> From: "bcomens" To: References: <006301c3143a$04776ca0$2f63f93f@global> Subject: Re: LOOPPOOL: Summer 2003 Live Looping Tour of Europe and the British Isles Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:13:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: yr Roman holiday: that's usually a great time for concert series in Rome--check out Villa Celimontana and La Palma, both had great series last year--doesn't hurt that they're outdoors in beautiful locations too! And I'd suggest booking a few days at the beach (e.g., Sperlonga) because it's VERY hot in this city that time of year.... If I'm up to it I'll make it to one of the Italian events....love the music I've heard on your website... Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:43 AM Subject: LOOPPOOL: Summer 2003 Live Looping Tour of Europe and the British Isles > Hi, I wanted to post my touring dates and invite everyone from the list to > come > see the lunacy that is my live show if you are so inclined: > > Rick Walker's LOOP.POOL > European/British Isles tour of summer 2003 > > special thanks to the people who invented and make the GIBSON EDP + > Echoplex, > The Swedish Government (for underwriting my tour their), > All the amazing loopers and promoters who have helped to get me > gigs and > put me up in their 'cat free environments'.............LOL > and my beautiful,talented > singer/songwriter/producer/multiinstrumentalist wife > who will be the most overqualified roadie in the history of the > universe > > SWEDEN > > May 13 travel Santa Cruz/San Francisco/Frankfurt/Gothenburg > and mightily confuse airport security exports with the wierd > things > that pass for instruments in my road cases---"No sir, that 10" > dayglo green > dildo is part of a musical piece................honest" > > 1st Swedish Looping Tour with Per Boysen (Sweden), Matthias Grob (Brazil) > and moi > > May 16 GOTHENBURG House of Arts "The Ocean" > > May 17 HULTSFRED ROCK CITY for "music week" 10 p.m. > > May 18 URSHULT LADAN (the barn) clinic 6 p.m. /concert 8 p.m. > > May 19 drive to STOCKHOLM > > May 20-21 editing live tracks > > May 23 ALMUNGE Corporate Conference > > May 24 STOCKHOLM somewhere in city play outdoors at 2 p.m. "FETE DE > LAMUSIQUE"then...........concert at Macken (The Gas Station) 8 p.m. > > May 25-28 days off > > June 29-30-31 STOCKHOLM ELECTRONICA 2003 > headlining LIVE INTERNATIONAL LOOPING PERFROMANCE > on Friday 30 at 8 p.m. > > June 3 NORRKOPING clinic/public concert > > June 4 STOCKHOLM House Of Arts---flat rooftop bar ( with guest artist > Gustaf Hielm (8 string electric bass) and Jair-Rôhm Parker Wells > > (acoustic upright bass, bow and electronics) > > IRELAND > June 11 DINGLE The Celtic & Prehistoric Museum Kilvicadownig, Ventry, > Dingle, Co. Kerry 7:30 p.m. 10 euros entrance (with Harris Moore, > Hammer Dulcimer) > (353)669159191) > June 12 DINGLE St. James Church 7:30 pm, 10 euros entrance (with > Steve Coulter, Irish Harp) 087-982-9728 or stevecoulter@eircom.net > > NORTHERN IRELAND > June 13 BELFAST Powerhaus presents...Rick Walker's Loop pool (with Special > Guest found sound/percussionist extraordinaire, Paul Marshall) > Linenhall Library, Donegall Square North 8pm Admission £8 & £5 concession > > > WALES > June 16 1st WELSH LOOPING FESTIVAL in SWANSEA The monkey Cafe' 9.30 - 10pm. > 3 quid to get in, £2 for concessions. (with Gareth > Whittock) > > ENGLAND > *June 17 LONDON (with Steve Lawson) venue to be announced > *June 19 LONDON " " > *June 20 LONDON " " > > June 21 1st CAMBRIDGE FESTIVAL OF LOOPING (with Os and many other list > members) > 8pm the michaelhouse cafe £5/£4 info@cambridg-loopfest.org.uk > > FRANCE > *June 28 PARIS still negotiating (anyone wanna host a house concert in > gay Paris > or > environs?) > > GERMANY > July 3 COLOGNE Galerie Rachel Haferkam (contact: Hanjo Scharfenberg) > Eigelstein 112 (with Michael Peters) > 50668 Koeln (Cologne), Germany Tel. +49 221 1393259 > http://www.rachelhaferkamp.com > > July 4 BERLIN 1st BERLIN LOOPING FESTIVAL (venue to be announced) ( > with Leander Renininhaus, Andreas Villers and more) > > July 7 RADOLFZELL "Bockle" 8:30 p.m. 5 euros ( with Louie Angulo) > > GREECE > *July 10-13 NAFPLIO (music festival----------venue to be announced) > > ITALY > July 17 MILAN 2003 - h.22.00 at Associazione Gheroartè (with Bruno > Kleinefeld) > c/o Stazione FS di Corsicovia Gramsci 4, 20094 Corsico (MI) > tel/fax (0039)02/45103113 - 339/6901684 - 349/4759779 > www.gheroarte.com > > *July 18 FLORENCE (venue to be announced---- with Massimo Liverani) > > July 19 GARDA LAKE ---- Rivolta Wine Bar in Rivoltella del Garda at 22.00 > free admission (with Luca Formentini) > > July 20-27 ROMAN HOLIDAY!!!!!!!!!! > > July 28 Depart ROME-FRANKFURT-SAN FRANCISCO-SANTA CRUZ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 13:35:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47HXt519854; Wed, 7 May 2003 13:33:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:33:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Cc: Subject: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:33:14 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <003401c314be$bd521200$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030507155833.76155.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, How good is the Roland VP-70 pitch-to-midi converting? Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival, May 16 to June 4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 14:20:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47IH3U26907; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:17:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:17:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c314c5$227ac590$6601a8c0@DG98L011> Reply-To: "Herb" From: "Herb" To: , Cc: References: <003401c314be$bd521200$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:19:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wonderfully terrible is how I'd describe the VP70. The VP70 is a very ambitious mid-80's vocal processor that often fails in very interesting ways. The pitch-to-MIDI is amusingly poor. It's fun to hear it trying to make sense out of speech, drums or chords. The harmonizing is rough and noisy and yet pleasant sounding. Perhaps its most interesting/bizarre feature is an absolute harmonizing mode (not sure what they call it) where it tries desperately to stay on a pitch of your choice (MIDI or drone) no matter what pitch the source is at! As you sing into it, it tries to keep the harmonized output on a given note. Needless to say, if the incoming pitch changes much, it gets hilariously confused... - Herb ++++++++++ Herb Heinz - www.isproductions.com/herb Hmmm... has a new CD, "I Only Want Love" - www.isproductions.com/hmmm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? > Hi, > > How good is the Roland VP-70 pitch-to-midi converting? > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ------------- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival, May 16 to June 4 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 17:57:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47Lsd327483; Wed, 7 May 2003 17:54:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 17:54:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:54:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig spam: Seattle Tableland, The Stares, Transatlantic Icefloe 5/8/03 From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6976AFA8-80D6-11D7-BAA5-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A gaggle of DL4's and various looping samplers will be deployed in the course of the evening" Thursday May 8, 9:00pm $5 cover 21+ TRANSATLANTIC ICEFLOE Tableland The Stares at the Tractor 5213 Ballard Ave NW Seattle, WA (206) 789-3599 "transAtlantic iceFloe circumnavigates our hemisphere with glacial intent and speed. Piloting this mass into the new millennium: Stuart McLeod (drums - SIL2K Ensemble), Robert Henson (guitar - SIL2K Ensemble), Kevin Goldsmith (bass - Intonarumori), and Carl Farrow (guitar - *Polar, inBOIL). Set all dials to the year 2000. Bundle up. transAtlantic iceFloe has been described as 'music designed for re-programming minds and breaking wills'." The Stares make music to fly to. They employ keys, guitars, drums, co-ed vocals, dynamics, chords, and whatever else strikes their fancy to create their brand of rich minimalism. Angie Benintendi - keys, voice, Jason Merculief - drums, Drew Whittemore - guitar, voice. "TABLELAND is a guitar based instrumental, ambient, psychedelic-sound group based out of Seattle. Through a wash of slide and movie projector imagery, the band, (Sorrells >gtr, Rosoff >bs, Krentz >cello, Hartnett >kys,gtr and Merculief >drms) weaves melodic soundscapes utilizing instruments, gadgetry, samples, loops and grooves, evoking an intense, moody atmosphere wherever they perform." Don't miss this night of shared drummers, co-worker camaraderie, and epic sounds. http://www.thestares.com/ http://www.tableland.org/ http://www.transatlanticicefloe.com/ http://tractortavern.citysearch.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 19:01:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47MtnH05962; Wed, 7 May 2003 18:55:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:55:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EB99198.DC3AA4CC@erols.com> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:07:04 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam New Jersey References: <44538BF3-8052-11D7-B3D5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 08:09 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > > > > That's a flash! I grew up in Union, Sparta, and Summit. > > -- > > Heh, I wonder if I ever sold you any gear when I worked at Rondo music > on 22... I worked there in 84 or so. > > Grewed up in Perth Amboy though. Boy was that a scum pit. > > Mark Sottilaro I grew up in Fords. I played pop warner football for the Fords/Perth Amboy Bearcats. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 19:10:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47N9ES09507; Wed, 7 May 2003 19:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: illness@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3EB85109.3319DA70@erols.com> Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:59:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike iLL Subject: Re: gig spam New Jersey Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com funny. i was asked to stop playing by the partner of the guy who booked me at Sweet Dreams in Madison, NJ. Think I scared the guy. Bunch of cool kids out there though. >At 8:19 PM -0400 5/6/03, John Mazzarella wrote: >> The Town Grind >> 25 East Main Street >> Denville, NJ >> >> Sweet Dreams Cafe >> 42 Lincoln Place >> Madison, NJ > >That's a flash! I grew up in Union, Sparta, and Summit. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com -- Mad haPPy http://www.madhappy.tv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 19:16:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47NF0d10307; Wed, 7 May 2003 19:15:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:15:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44538BF3-8052-11D7-B3D5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <44538BF3-8052-11D7-B3D5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:04:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: gig spam New Jersey Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1159773233==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <3WT8X.A.NgC.SNZu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1159773233==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:08 PM -0700 5/6/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Grewed up in Perth Amboy though. Boy was that a scum pit. At 7:07 PM -0400 5/7/03, John Mazzarella wrote: >I grew up in Fords. I played pop warner football for the Fords/Perth >Amboy Bearcats. Remember the Tom Lehrer song "Polution"? The record version, from a live performance in San Francisco, had: The breakfast garbage you throw into the Bay They drink at lunch in San Jose. The New York area version was: The breakfast garbage you throw out in Troy They drink at lunch in Perth Amboy. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1159773233==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: gig spam New Jersey
At 11:08 PM -0700 5/6/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

Grewed up in Perth Amboy though.  Boy was that a scum pit.

At 7:07 PM -0400 5/7/03, John Mazzarella wrote:

I grew up in Fords.  I played pop warner football for the Fords/Perth
Amboy Bearcats.


Remember the Tom Lehrer song "Polution"? The record version, from a live performance in San Francisco, had:

The breakfast garbage you throw into the Bay
They drink at lunch in San Jose.

The New York area version was:

The breakfast garbage you throw out in Troy
They drink at lunch in Perth Amboy.
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1159773233==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 19:21:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47NLKe11035; Wed, 7 May 2003 19:21:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:21:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c314ef$4b535e80$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <44538BF3-8052-11D7-B3D5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <3EB99198.DC3AA4CC@erols.com> Subject: Re: gig spam New Jersey Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 00:20:47 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "John Mazzarella" put forth: > > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 08:09 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > > > > > > That's a flash! I grew up in Union, Sparta, and Summit. > > > -- > > > > Heh, I wonder if I ever sold you any gear when I worked at Rondo music > > on 22... I worked there in 84 or so. > > > > Grewed up in Perth Amboy though. Boy was that a scum pit. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > I grew up in Fords. I played pop warner football for the Fords/Perth > Amboy Bearcats. > [twilight zone theme variant loop] I pretty much grew up in Ridgewood, twixt 1964 and 1984, when I escaped out to California and the software biz. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 19:50:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47NnK018635; Wed, 7 May 2003 19:49:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:49:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:48:32 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: gig spam New Jersey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004601c314f3$2b505800$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <44538BF3-8052-11D7-B3D5-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <3EB99198.DC3AA4CC@erols.com> <001201c314ef$4b535e80$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Goodman" > "John Mazzarella" put forth: > > > > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 08:09 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > > > > > > > > That's a flash! I grew up in Union, Sparta, and Summit. > > > > -- > > > > > > Heh, I wonder if I ever sold you any gear when I worked at Rondo music > > > on 22... I worked there in 84 or so. > > > > > > Grewed up in Perth Amboy though. Boy was that a scum pit. > > > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > I grew up in Fords. I played pop warner football for the Fords/Perth > > Amboy Bearcats. > > > > [twilight zone theme variant loop] > > I pretty much grew up in Ridgewood, twixt 1964 and 1984, when I escaped out > to California and the software biz. I've lived my whole life in NJ, currently Rahway. Last week I got back from LA. Every afternoon in Hollywood , my throat would swell up from the smog and pollution. I don't have that problem here or in NYC. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 05:10:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48992K16702; Thu, 8 May 2003 05:09:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 05:09:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014a01c31541$28e723c0$3362f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Subject: digital camera for tour documentation Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 02:06:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would be very appreciative if someone could recommend me a particularly excellent deal on a digital camera. I'd like 3.0 megapixels and, hopefully under $300. I know in audio there are some screaming good deals (the art tube preamp as an example).......is there such a thing in the digital camera world? I've got to buy one before I leave for Europe on Tuesday. Please respond to this personally and off list, please. I'm at RICKWALKER@LOOPPOOL.INFO Please DON'T use my global@cruzio.com address...........my spam filter is just fucking with it. thanks so much From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 06:53:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48Ahhf25307; Thu, 8 May 2003 06:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 06:43:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: digital camera for tour documentation Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:43:08 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001201c3154e$9d66d3a0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <014a01c31541$28e723c0$3362f93f@global> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] > could recommend me a particularly excellent > deal on a digital camera. > Rick, We did an extensive investigation and bought a Olympus C4000Zoom for www.upsweden.com. We found it the most bang 4 the buck. Prices are probably much better in the US than here in Sweden. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival, May 16 to June 4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 11:31:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48FUeM30994; Thu, 8 May 2003 11:30:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:30:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1052407371!48144 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAFCB@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: multiple jam-things Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:12:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C31574.36575AB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31574.36575AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" stuart's post about syncing three line6 echopros reminded me that I wanted to ask the list if anybody had tried doing much the same thing with two or more jammans. my band has two, and two repeaters aswell. the repeater's operational quirks are by no means taxing enough on their own to bamboozle our guitarist, but he's built up such a rapport with his ancient jamman, and can "deal with it" much more easily in amongst all his other floor-dwelling paraphenalia, that I am about to lash a second one to it's lid for him, and build a single giant footswitch for the both of them, probably put a big power supply in there too. but has anyone experienced this config, and got any useful opinions or suggestions on same? and has anyone used the bob sellon upgrade in a jamman? I bought two kits (both our machines are 32s) but have been too busy/terrified to fit them- the operational changes are quite daunting for our guitarist too. he's not dense or anything, but we've had the lexicons since 1994 and that's a lot of unlearning.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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stuart's post about syncing three line6 echopros reminded= me that I wanted to ask the list if anybody had tried doing much the same = thing with two or more jammans. my band has two, and two repeaters aswell. =

the repeater's operational quirks are by no means taxing = enough on their own to bamboozle our guitarist, but he's built up such a ra= pport with his ancient jamman, and can "deal with it" much more e= asily in amongst all his other floor-dwelling paraphenalia, that I am about= to lash a second one to it's lid for him, and build a single giant footswi= tch for the both of them, probably put a big power supply in there too.

but has anyone experienced this config, and got any usefu= l opinions or suggestions on same?

and has anyone used the bob sellon upgrade in a jamman? I= bought two kits (both our machines are 32s) but have been too busy/terrifi= ed to fit them- the operational changes are quite daunting for our guitaris= t too. he's not dense or anything, but we've had the lexicons since 1994 an= d that's a lot of unlearning....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31574.36575AB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 12:15:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48GDIt06567; Thu, 8 May 2003 12:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:12:40 -0700 Subject: Re: digital camera for tour documentation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <014a01c31541$28e723c0$3362f93f@global> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My advise is, if you can swing it, get something small like Cannon's ELF. Spend the extra money, you'll be glad you did. While I'm a fan of chemical photography, the time and pollution factor have switched me over. I suggest the ELF because it's TINY. My friends also really like there Casio Exilim EX-S3. It's the size of a credit card and a quarter inch thick. Size really does matter. I find that a lot of the time I end up leaving my camera home because I don't want a big bulge in my pocket and I want to have my hands free most of the time. Don't want a camera strapped on my neck either. So, I have a Olympus that was pretty cheap in it's day, and does a pretty good job (only 1.3 megapixal) but gets left home more often than not. If I had the cash, I'd get the Cannon ELF 3 megapixal model, but it's about $400. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 02:06 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > I would be very appreciative if someone > could recommend me a particularly excellent > deal on a digital camera. > > I'd like 3.0 megapixels and, hopefully under > $300. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 12:37:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48GalO09112; Thu, 8 May 2003 12:36:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:36:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014a01c31541$28e723c0$3362f93f@global> References: <014a01c31541$28e723c0$3362f93f@global> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:35:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: digital camera for tour documentation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I would be very appreciative if someone >could recommend me a particularly excellent >deal on a digital camera. > >I'd like 3.0 megapixels and, hopefully under >$300. > I have a Nikon Coolpix 885 that I bought for under $300 last year. It's very small and easy to use for a photo-neophyte like myself, but my wife, who has a degree in photography, finds that it has enough options to get good shots for her as well. It's probably been replaced by something better and smaller at the same price by now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 12:48:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48GlaO10319; Thu, 8 May 2003 12:47:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:47:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01de01c31581$965938e0$642bae40@kinesys1> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <001201c3154e$9d66d3a0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Subject: Re: digital camera for tour documentation Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:47:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did the same type of research a couple of years ago and ended up with a Olympus C3040Z, but now I wish i had got the Nikon Coolpix or higher end Sony model. My issues with the Olympus: 1. Chromatic aberration on sunny days is really bad for outdoor shots 2. Zoom lens only 96mm 3. Poor macro capabilities ... if that's what you're looking for. 4. Tunneling when you add zoom lenses. I highly suggest you check out this very informative Web site for your research: http://www.dpreview.com/ They have detailed reviews, sample shots, and you can do side-by-side comparisons of camera specs too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:43 AM Subject: RE: digital camera for tour documentation > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] > > could recommend me a particularly excellent > > deal on a digital camera. > > > > Rick, > > We did an extensive investigation and bought a Olympus C4000Zoom for > www.upsweden.com. We found it the most bang 4 the buck. Prices are > probably much better in the US than here in Sweden. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ------------- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival, May 16 to June 4 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 14:05:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48I4Mn20323; Thu, 8 May 2003 14:04:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:04:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <104.2de934a1.2bebf5d0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:02:56 EDT Subject: Gig Spam, Pigs Gam, Gag Simp, Gas Gimp, & etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h48I37B20221 Resent-Message-ID: <2jWHPB.A.M8E.bvpu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, It's not likely that any of you would be able to attend but I figured I'd make the following announcement anyway. What the heck. I've been looping for 20 years now so it's not really off topic. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ANNOUNCING: Killian's Wake An Evening of Music, Poetry, Improvisation and Surprises Organized by Guitarist Ted Killian (moi) and Friends With an Ensemble of Guest Artists & Performers: Jeff Kaiser (trumpet & electronics) Ventura, CA Garen Horgen (trumpets) Portland, OR JT Gillett (poetry & spoken word) Ashland, OR Liz Stuart ("world" vocals & percussion) San Francisco, CA Mike Fitch (drums & percussion) Ashland, OR Doug Heydon (acoustic bass) Eugene, OR Craig Johnson (electric bass) Ashland, OR And More . . . Admission $7 ($5 if You Bring a Birthday Card for Ted's 50th Birthday) Arrive Early – Seating is Limited Saturday May 24, 2003 (Yes, that's on Memorial Day Weekend) 8:00pm to 11:00pm At The Ashland Community Center 59 Winburn Way, Ashland, Oregon +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nope, this ain't a real "wake" . . . seeing as I am not dead (yet anyway). It's essentially a 50th birthday celebration I'm throwing for myself (and with a last name like Killian you might be able to forgive me the weird, offhand title). Yes, some of the musicians involved are "loopers" . . . but most are not. It's just a gaggle of folks who have meant a lot to my musical development over the years and my wife has granted me the wish for my 50th b-day that I get to play with them. It just so happens that putting on a "concert" is the most convenient way of making it all happen. Hi dee ho! >From the local press release I sent out: Among the "luminaries" coming to play with me are: Avant-jazz trumpeter/composer/maestro Jeff Kaiser (from Ventura, CA); Classical and jazz trumpeter with The Portland Symphony and The Rose City Chamber Orchestra, Garen Horgen (Portland, OR); "World Music" singer/percussionist, Liz Stuart with the group "Vocolot" (San Francisco, CA): Acoustic and fretless electric bass multi-stylist, Doug Heydon (Eugene, OR); Author and beat poet, JT Gillett (Ashland, OR); "Ginsberger" electric bass guitarist, Craig Johnson (Ashland, OR); And one of the busiest musicians in the Southern Oregon, drummer, Mike Fitch (of Ashland, OR). Plus, quite probably, even a few (surprises) more! BTW -- Dr. Bob was going to join me too but seeing as how he's a real MD (an ER surgeon/trauma specialist) he has a hard time getting away on holidays when the rest of America is out smashing themselves up in automobiles. So, I went down to Ventura, California and played a gig with him last month. Anywho, over the course of 3 hours, various groupings and sub-groupings will form for a series of loosely "directed" improvs . . . culminating in a big "jam" (with probably everybody) at the end. If any of you LDers happen to attend, bring your favorite noisemaker and we'll try to fit you in on the finale. It ought to be weird, hilarious fun. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 14:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48IFo021398; Thu, 8 May 2003 14:15:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:15:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:14:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:19 AM -0700 5/7/03, Herb wrote: >Wonderfully terrible is how I'd describe the VP70. >The VP70 is a very ambitious mid-80's vocal processor that often fails in >very interesting ways. The pitch-to-MIDI is amusingly poor. It's fun to >hear it trying to make sense out of speech, drums or chords. This sort of behavior seems to be endemic to most, if not all, pitch trackers. I've done a bit of work with the Fairlight Voicetracker, which originally sold in the $2000+ range. It also freaks out in amusing and musically useful ways when fed complex inputs. I chose to pursue this as a compositional strategy. One of the situations that really gets a pitch tracker going is when it is part of a feedback loop. If you use the MIDI output to drive a synthesizer or sampler and then allow the pitch tracker to "hear" that signal it will begin to pick up different components of the sound, such as resonances and upper harmonics. This can be greatly enhanced (or "aggravated") by adding a lot of reverberation to the mix. I once did a piece where I initiated the pitch tracking process with a short "pop" and then walked around the room waving the microphone through the sound field of the loudspeakers. I was able to generate (and control to a reasonable extent) slow pitch glides. I did this in several passes, overdubbing into a sequencer and playing back the different tracks with a variety of timbres. The combination of sounds, with a 10 second reverb time providing a sort of "memory" for the system, resulted in fairly coherent melodic material, largely based on complex arpeggiations. Other strategies can involve acoustic instruments that are either polyphonic or that have mutable spectra. As an example of the first case, I did a performance with two percussionists playing xylophone and marima, again with a lot of reverb. They started playing sustained unisons and octaves, then introduced fifths, major thirds, and increasingly dissonant intervals. The generated melody progressed similarly from simple to complex behavior. I also got very interesting results with bassoon, and instrument which typically produces stronger overtones than fundamental pitch. The player, composer Chuck Holdeman, quickly learned to manipulate this effect and dynamically adjusted the timbre of sustained tones to cause the Voicetracker to jump merrily among the harmonics. Have fun! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 14:25:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48IOJX22614; Thu, 8 May 2003 14:24:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:24:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:23:38 -0700 Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <304C7EAA-8182-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <8fgwkD.A.HgF.xCqu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only thing I've ever seen that did this well was Opcode's Studio Vision Pro... and it didn't work in real time. Sadly, I don't even think this software exists anymore (does it?), but it was once my tool of choice for recording midi and audio in a multitrack format. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 11:14 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 11:19 AM -0700 5/7/03, Herb wrote: >> Wonderfully terrible is how I'd describe the VP70. >> The VP70 is a very ambitious mid-80's vocal processor that often >> fails in >> very interesting ways. The pitch-to-MIDI is amusingly poor. It's fun >> to >> hear it trying to make sense out of speech, drums or chords. > > This sort of behavior seems to be endemic to most, if not all, pitch > trackers. I've done a bit of work with the Fairlight Voicetracker, > which originally sold in the $2000+ range. It also freaks out in > amusing and musically useful ways when fed complex inputs. I chose to > pursue this as a compositional strategy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 14:40:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48Id0A24007; Thu, 8 May 2003 14:39:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:39:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <304C7EAA-8182-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> References: <304C7EAA-8182-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:31:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:23 AM -0700 5/8/03, mark wrote: >The only thing I've ever seen that did this well was Opcode's Studio >Vision Pro... and it didn't work in real time. Sadly, I don't even >think this software exists anymore (does it?), but it was once my >tool of choice for recording midi and audio in a multitrack format. It exists. It's free. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 14:41:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48IeNG24167; Thu, 8 May 2003 14:40:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:40:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:39:37 -0700 Subject: Re: multiple jam-things Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAFCB@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: <6BAE8EBF-8184-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't imagine using the word "sync" and "Line6 Echo Pro" in the same sentence... unless you're talking about it's delays, and even then I'd say it's not really syncing. However, this can be very cool too. A few weeks ago Will Wright and I jammed, he on the Echo Pro and I using a Repeater and we more or less just set the Echo Pro's loop size my ear. Since what will was doing was leaning toward the abstract it was interesting to have the sync of his loop constantly drifting from my loops which firmly follow the drummachine. That constantly changing relationship is nice. There are days I still miss my JamMan's "simple" operation (I had an early Bob Sallon chip mod that gave me some new functions, but I don't think I got things like the panning and multiple concurrent loops) It makes me want one again! What I love best about the JamMan that *no* other looper does? One step loop creation when synced to a MIDI clock. I choose the amount of beats it looks for and the start point and then I can just PLAY. Yeah, I know you can do something a little similar with the EDP, but I've tried that and it's *not* the same. My request for Loop5 would be to have a mode where you can set up your quantize and after hitting record automatically go into overdub after a specified number of beats. For a short time I did run an EDP and a Repeater at the same time, and I found it to be too much. Each unit does PLENTY in my opinion. I rarely ended up using them both together, but I would imagine like anything it would need lot's of practice. It always felt like I was that guy who spins plates on the Ed Sullivan show when I was using multiple loopers. Too hard to focus on the music, especially in a live context where things are more chaotic. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 08:12 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > stuart's post about syncing three line6 echopros reminded me that I > wanted to ask the list if anybody had tried doing much the same thing > with two or more jammans. my band has two, and two repeaters aswell. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 14:42:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48Iech24235; Thu, 8 May 2003 14:40:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:40:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <304C7EAA-8182-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:40:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 18:40:02.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C683790:01C31591] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Rich was using it at the Morrison Planetarium on Sunday night, so at least one copy still exists :> I heard rumours that opcode was under the process of ressurection. bIz www.groovetronica.com "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? > The only thing I've ever seen that did this well was Opcode's Studio > Vision Pro... and it didn't work in real time. Sadly, I don't even > think this software exists anymore (does it?), but it was once my tool > of choice for recording midi and audio in a multitrack format. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 11:14 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > > > At 11:19 AM -0700 5/7/03, Herb wrote: > >> Wonderfully terrible is how I'd describe the VP70. > >> The VP70 is a very ambitious mid-80's vocal processor that often > >> fails in > >> very interesting ways. The pitch-to-MIDI is amusingly poor. It's fun > >> to > >> hear it trying to make sense out of speech, drums or chords. > > > > This sort of behavior seems to be endemic to most, if not all, pitch > > trackers. I've done a bit of work with the Fairlight Voicetracker, > > which originally sold in the $2000+ range. It also freaks out in > > amusing and musically useful ways when fed complex inputs. I chose to > > pursue this as a compositional strategy. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 14:56:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48Isca25915; Thu, 8 May 2003 14:54:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:54:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <304C7EAA-8182-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:45:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:40 AM -0700 5/8/03, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > >I heard rumours that opcode was under the process of ressurection. Could you be more specific? The only thing I know about is that Gibson recently made Studio Vision Pro 4.5.1 and Vision DSP 4.5.1 available free on the Opcode Web site. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 15:22:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48JKCB29851; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:20:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:20:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: <3EBA9177000003AD@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h48JJ1B29721 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As an ex-employee of Opcode, I'd be surprised if that happened... Iit did, the software would not be the same... I highly doubt Dave Oppenhiem (the Op of Opcode) would be involved with this... What made Opcode's software great was the (pardon the pun) vision that key people had in the projects, Dave, Ray Spears, Dan Timis, Doug Wyatt, etc... Of course, Gibson could just throw a bunch of new people at the software base, but I doubt that would result in some new totally cool piece of software... Would Gibson try and get some of the key players back? I doubt it, and if they did, would they want to work with Gibson? Again, I doubt it from all the horror stories I have heard about dealings with Henry Juszkiewicz.. anyways, that's my two cents on the topic.. hehe... (btw, I believe Dan Timis did most of the work on the Pitch to MIDI code) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >To: >Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:40:01 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >Robert Rich was using it at the Morrison Planetarium on Sunday night, so >at >least one copy still exists :> > >I heard rumours that opcode was under the process of ressurection. > >bIz > > >www.groovetronica.com > >"No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly >wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette >deck and a microphone." > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mark" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:23 AM >Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? > > >> The only thing I've ever seen that did this well was Opcode's Studio >> Vision Pro... and it didn't work in real time. Sadly, I don't even >> think this software exists anymore (does it?), but it was once my tool >> of choice for recording midi and audio in a multitrack format. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 11:14 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: >> >> > At 11:19 AM -0700 5/7/03, Herb wrote: >> >> Wonderfully terrible is how I'd describe the VP70. >> >> The VP70 is a very ambitious mid-80's vocal processor that often >> >> fails in >> >> very interesting ways. The pitch-to-MIDI is amusingly poor. It's fun >> >> to >> >> hear it trying to make sense out of speech, drums or chords. >> > >> > This sort of behavior seems to be endemic to most, if not all, pitch >> > trackers. I've done a bit of work with the Fairlight Voicetracker, >> > which originally sold in the $2000+ range. It also freaks out in >> > amusing and musically useful ways when fed complex inputs. I chose to >> > pursue this as a compositional strategy. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 15:26:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48JN0a30207; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:23:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:23:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030508192202.16743.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: multiple jam-things To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6BAE8EBF-8184-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark you are absolutely right man! I have both the EDP and repeater and sometimes i just get too exhausted specially syncing them together.I spend too much time on the technical side of things and lately i am very unfocused on the music.I ve been thinking of taking one of them out of my rack for a couple of months just to build a better relationship with one of them.In terms of creativity they are both animals! Another thing ive noticed is that i do most of my looping uncounsciously within the first 10 seconds at the most.I suppose certain limitations are healthy at times as well... My one wish from both loopers for example would be that i could cut a middle part (from A,B,C cut B and paste A and C together) sort of like Acid.Or is there a way of accompishing this... You loop gurus outhere? Cheers Louie --- mark wrote: > I can't imagine using the word "sync" and "Line6 > Echo Pro" in the same > sentence... unless you're talking about it's delays, > and even then I'd > say it's not really syncing. However, this can be > very cool too. A > few weeks ago Will Wright and I jammed, he on the > Echo Pro and I using > a Repeater and we more or less just set the Echo > Pro's loop size my > ear. Since what will was doing was leaning toward > the abstract it was > interesting to have the sync of his loop constantly > drifting from my > loops which firmly follow the drummachine. That > constantly changing > relationship is nice. > > There are days I still miss my JamMan's "simple" > operation (I had an > early Bob Sallon chip mod that gave me some new > functions, but I don't > think I got things like the panning and multiple > concurrent loops) It > makes me want one again! What I love best about the > JamMan that *no* > other looper does? One step loop creation when > synced to a MIDI clock. > I choose the amount of beats it looks for and the > start point and then > I can just PLAY. Yeah, I know you can do something > a little similar > with the EDP, but I've tried that and it's *not* the > same. My request > for Loop5 would be to have a mode where you can set > up your quantize > and after hitting record automatically go into > overdub after a > specified number of beats. > > For a short time I did run an EDP and a Repeater at > the same time, and > I found it to be too much. Each unit does PLENTY in > my opinion. I > rarely ended up using them both together, but I > would imagine like > anything it would need lot's of practice. It always > felt like I was > that guy who spins plates on the Ed Sullivan show > when I was using > multiple loopers. Too hard to focus on the music, > especially in a live > context where things are more chaotic. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 08:12 AM, > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > stuart's post about syncing three line6 echopros > reminded me that I > > wanted to ask the list if anybody had tried doing > much the same thing > > with two or more jammans. my band has two, and two > repeaters aswell. > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 15:28:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48JQpH30578; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:26:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:26:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030508192615.98716.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: jamman upgrade? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAFCB@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just curious what exactly does the Jamman upgrade do? L.a --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > stuart's post about syncing three line6 echopros > reminded me that I wanted to ask the list if anybody > had tried doing much the same thing with two or more > jammans. my band has two, and two repeaters aswell. > > the repeater's operational quirks are by no means > taxing enough on their own to bamboozle our > guitarist, but he's built up such a rapport with his > ancient jamman, and can "deal with it" much more > easily in amongst all his other floor-dwelling > paraphenalia, that I am about to lash a second one > to it's lid for him, and build a single giant > footswitch for the both of them, probably put a big > power supply in there too. > > but has anyone experienced this config, and got any > useful opinions or suggestions on same? > > and has anyone used the bob sellon upgrade in a > jamman? I bought two kits (both our machines are > 32s) but have been too busy/terrified to fit them- > the operational changes are quite daunting for our > guitarist too. he's not dense or anything, but we've > had the lexicons since 1994 and that's a lot of > unlearning.... > > duncan. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the > ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and > may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this > e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or > any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this > e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this > message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate > virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any > attachments do not > affect your systems / data. 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 15:42:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48JaD331961; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:36:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:36:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EBA9177000003AD@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> References: <3EBA9177000003AD@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:34:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:18 PM -0700 5/8/03, Chris Roberts wrote: >As an ex-employee of Opcode, I'd be surprised if that happened... >I highly doubt Dave Oppenhiem ... would be involved with this... You are almost certainly right. The Opcodians (including Dave) I've talked to in recent years were embittered by that experiece with Gibson and have moved on to other things. >Of course, Gibson could just throw a bunch of new people at the software base I believe that was Henry's idea. He seems to have no inkling of the fact that great products come from great people - and these are not just a bunch of code monkeys. >I believe Dan Timis did most of the work on the Pitch to MIDI code Dan is up to something with Chris Halaby. http://www.museresearch.com/chrishalaby.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 15:47:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48JijM32737; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <304C7EAA-8182-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:44:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 19:44:10.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[31D67130:01C3159A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An ex-employee of Opcode (who's name escapes me) here in Palo Alto. It may have been wishful thinking on his part :> bIz www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? > At 11:40 AM -0700 5/8/03, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > >I heard rumours that opcode was under the process of ressurection. > > Could you be more specific? > > The only thing I know about is that Gibson recently made Studio > Vision Pro 4.5.1 and Vision DSP 4.5.1 available free on the Opcode > Web site. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:10:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48K8IL04289; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:08:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:08:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:07:17 +0200 Subject: Re: multiple jam-things Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030508192202.16743.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i just get too exhausted specially syncing them together.I > spend too much time on the technical side of things > and lately i am very unfocused on the music. You have hit the nail on the Head Louie... I'm looking for a system that will allow me to loop in realtime - have full control over my loops and not have to concentrate about the equipment. Any technical problem eats away at my inspiriation. > Another thing ive noticed is that i do most of my > looping uncounsciously within the first 10 seconds at > the most.I suppose certain limitations are healthy at > times as well... I've recently been playing for up to an hour solely in record mode (using anything from one second up to the full 28 seconds of the DL4) - constantly evolving the music. Its music without any solo's, and is highly interesting. > My one wish from both loopers for example would be > that i could cut a middle part (from A,B,C cut B and > paste A and C together) sort of like Acid.Or is there > a way of accompishing this... With multiple organic looping boxes, intelligent foot controllers and audio routers you can have full control over your live looping... The ideal situation is a Kyma (expensive)... or a bank of multiple EDP's,... (but Gibson has priced that option out of reality for most musician) or a DIY electronic mess of every delay/looping device that you can get your hands on (starting with the Echo Pros).... I'm opting for the latter option :) Its gonna be fun just plugging things in and going mad with the feet.... - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:10:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48K9Kd04488; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:09:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:09:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Making your own cables... Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:08:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0318_01C31562.F041AC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 20:08:39.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D8ABD70:01C3159D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0318_01C31562.F041AC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any resources for making your own = cables?=20 I'm in the process of rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a = good job for once. Also, I have a number of specific items I need to = create (such as y-cables for mixing two signals - with resistors inline) = and making cables seems like a good place to start. bIz www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some = Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and = I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------=_NextPart_000_0318_01C31562.F041AC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
    I was wondering = if anyone had=20 any resources for making your own cables?
 
    I'm in the = process of=20 rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a good job for once. Also, I = have a=20 number of specific items I need to create (such as y-cables for mixing = two=20 signals - with resistors inline) and making cables seems like a good = place to=20 start.
 
 
bIz
 
www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop = with some=20 Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and = I could=20 do better with a cassette deck and a = microphone."
------=_NextPart_000_0318_01C31562.F041AC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:18:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48KH7I05809; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:17:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:17:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 13:13:34 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Trying to install them on a mac but it keep saying something about needing "acadia" file? on 5/8/03 11:45 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 11:40 AM -0700 5/8/03, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >> >> I heard rumours that opcode was under the process of ressurection. > > Could you be more specific? > > The only thing I know about is that Gibson recently made Studio > Vision Pro 4.5.1 and Vision DSP 4.5.1 available free on the Opcode > Web site. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:18:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48KGPU05722; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:16:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:16:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Re: Making your own cables... Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:15:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_032E_01C31563.EB5E7E90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 20:15:40.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[987079F0:01C3159E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_032E_01C31563.EB5E7E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I found: http://www.recordingeq.com/EQ/req0400/cords.htm http://www.laventure.net/tourist/cables.htm So, does anyone have any good, cheap sources for cable parts to = recomend? Thanks, bIz www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some = Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and = I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan El-Bizri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: Making your own cables... Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any resources for making your own = cables?=20 I'm in the process of rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a = good job for once. Also, I have a number of specific items I need to = create (such as y-cables for mixing two signals - with resistors inline) = and making cables seems like a good place to start. bIz www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some = Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and = I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------=_NextPart_000_032E_01C31563.EB5E7E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What I found:
 
http://www.recor= dingeq.com/EQ/req0400/cords.htm
 
http://www.laventure= .net/tourist/cables.htm
 
So, does anyone have any good, = cheap=20 sources for cable parts to recomend?
 
Thanks,
 
bIz
 
www.groovetronica.com - "No = offense, but=20 a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me=20 technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck = and a=20 microphone."
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jonathan=20 El-Bizri
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 1:08=20 PM
Subject: Making your own = cables...

Hi,
 
    I was wondering = if anyone=20 had any resources for making your own cables?
 
    I'm in the = process of=20 rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a good job for once. Also, I = have a=20 number of specific items I need to create (such as y-cables for mixing = two=20 signals - with resistors inline) and making cables seems like a good = place to=20 start.
 
 
bIz
 
www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop = with some=20 Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, = and I=20 could do better with a cassette deck and a=20 microphone."
------=_NextPart_000_032E_01C31563.EB5E7E90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:19:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48KHlk05931; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:17:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:17:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20030508192202.16743.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: multiple jam-things Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:17:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 20:17:09.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDBEDE80:01C3159E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My one wish from both loopers for example would be > that i could cut a middle part (from A,B,C cut B and > paste A and C together) sort of like Acid.Or is there > a way of accompishing this... > You loop gurus outhere? Loop windowing? bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:25:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48KOJ907068; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:24:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:24:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:23:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Making your own cables... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1043744404 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--1043744404 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > So, does anyone have any=A0good, cheap sources for cable parts to=20 > recomend? george L cables are what i use in my live rack and in the studio. --Apple-Mail-2--1043744404 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 So, does anyone have any=A0good, cheap sources for cable parts to recomend? george L cables are what i use in my live rack and in the studio. --Apple-Mail-2--1043744404-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:30:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48KSG207483; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:28:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030508202654.84981.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: multiple jam-things To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've recently been playing for up to an hour solely > in record mode > (using anything from one second up to the full 28 > seconds of the DL4) - > constantly evolving the music. Its music without any > solo's, and is > highly interesting. Hi stuart, very intersting points! can you develop more on this?here you mean in record mode but not in loop mode that is, with the feedback not at 100% right? > With multiple organic looping boxes, intelligent > foot controllers and > audio routers you can have full control over your > live looping... yes indeed but i would like to accomplish many of the live cutting and pasting with one single looper.The EDP does a wonderfull job.As time goes by i feel better and more organic with less gear:-) > > The ideal situation is a Kyma (expensive)... or a > bank of multiple > EDP's,... (but Gibson has priced that option out of > reality for most > musician) or a DIY electronic mess of every > delay/looping device that > you can get your hands on (starting with the Echo > Pros).... Yes you can say that again, it is expensive but the EDP is a very strong live looper.Somehow the repeater feels more home studio looper to me... > > I'm opting for the latter option :) Its gonna be fun > just plugging > things in and going mad with the feet.... gotta love the low key echo pro specially the flashing circus lights when you turn it on:-))) take care L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:34:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48KXhb08143; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:33:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:33:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c315a0$cd773c40$2763f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305081825.h48IPjG22802@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Multiple Jam-Things Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:31:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com duncan wrote: "stuart's post about syncing three line6 echopros reminded me that I wanted to ask the list if anybody had tried doing much the same thing with two or more jammans." Yeah, Duncan, for years I ran a rack with three JamPersons (I even have the obnoxious non-sexist graphic conversion kit if you ever want your jamthingies to be politically correct.......... lol) all in sync with a primitive old Akai midi mapper. I have the mapper set up so that I could play with one other person with a Jamthing and rotated who that person was in an ad hoc group called TWO for several years in Santa Cruz. I had the mapper set up with five presets: 1 made 1 the master and all others slaves 2 " 2 " 3 " 3 " 4 " 4 " 5 made it so that nothing synced off of anything for cool hemiola/abstract/ambient jams I've been a line6/Repeater guy for the last several years until recently when I finally got the incredible EDP, so I haven't done a lot of syncing with them. I'm really looking forward to playing with Per Boysen and Matthias Grob in Sweden in a week's time because we will get to use the famous BROTHER SYNC feature of the EDP. I use my wind synth to 'play' my loops, modally in the REPEATER and haven't figured out a sophisticated filtering system (yet..........he winks at Dennis Leas who's working on a midi controller for the Repeater using Palm technology) to let me both drive sync with midi and pitch conversion so I just haven't worked it out. You should really e-mail Max Valentino as well because he is doing really great stuff with the new JamPerson software upgrade (which is amazing!!!!!! different simultaneously loops, mellotron pitch control of loops, et. al.) available from the designer Bob Sellon Best of luck........let me know how your syncing comes along yours, Rick Walker www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:45:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48KiWa09580; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <6BAE8EBF-8184-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: multiple jam-things Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:43:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 20:43:31.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C8DD120:01C315A2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > For a short time I did run an EDP and a Repeater at the same time, and > I found it to be too much. Each unit does PLENTY in my opinion. I > rarely ended up using them both together, but I would imagine like > anything it would need lot's of practice. It always felt like I was > that guy who spins plates on the Ed Sullivan show when I was using > multiple loopers. Too hard to focus on the music, especially in a live > context where things are more chaotic. > In the past, the main use I've found for the two has been to use the Repeater to record grooves - i.e. Bass line + Comping, and then looped the Echoplex on top of it to create the melody for the arrangement. The echoplex loop would be looping a multiple of the Repeater's loop. (You could do the same just with the repeater, but you would have less flexibility, and would be able to do stuff like re-recording the chord progression for the reprise, and then >voila< fade in the original melody from the EDP) Alternately, I would use the echoplex to make shorter loops from sounds on precreated cds, that I would mangle while the repeater kept the progression going in the background. bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:50:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48KmwX10316; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:48:15 +0200 Subject: Re: multiple jam-things Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030508202654.84981.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <63D657E8-8196-11D7-A532-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 10:26 pm, Louie Angulo wrote: >> I've recently been playing for up to an hour solely >> in record mode constantly evolving the music. Its music without any >> solo's, and is highly interesting. > Hi stuart, > very intersting points! > can you develop more on this?here you mean in record > mode but not in loop mode that is, with the feedback > not at 100% right? Loop sampler mode. Dry/Mix output equal, constant record/overdub. The great thing about being brought up on the DL4 is that there is no control of the feedback... Its probably like 80/90% feedback on other boxes. I basically start the loop in silence, or with a long drone... and once it goes into record/overdub mode, you basically leave it there until the end of the piece. I've found myself constantly morphing everything from the melodies, harmonies, rhythms, structure.... its hard to explain, but its made me look at music from a different viewpoint. > .As time goes by i feel > better and more organic with less gear:-) I know what you mean :) But I've always tried to connect different gear together... so this time I'm trying to opt for a rack of likeminded boxes, which once set up, should never need touching again. (That is the theory). > Yes you can say that again, it is expensive but the > EDP is a very strong live looper. I know. I would love to get my hands on one, but the price is way too high for my budget. I also need multiple loops - being able to reverse one loop whilst another is playing... Oh for a lottery ticket, and 8 EDP's... :) > Somehow the repeater > feels more home studio looper to me... Its unreliable both mechanically and operationally. If you visit the electrix forum, you'll see quite a few people who's power supplies have failed. Electrix has not released the specs for others to make a new PSU, they have not ordered any more PSU's to be made, and have completely left their users without any support whatsoever. I had concerns before I purchased the Repeater, but private emails between myself and Electrix put those to rest. "That will be resolved in the next OS upgrade".... *sigh* Its a shame... it had so much potential. However, I stress if I ever have to perform using it... I don't trust it, and it always works against me. > gotta love the low key echo pro specially the > flashing circus lights when you turn it on:-))) I spent 5 minutes playing with that feature in the shop :) Tomorrow should be the day of the exchange..... the beginning of what could be musical freedom. Take care, - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 16:54:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48Kqbe10995; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:52:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:52:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c315a3$a3008a40$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> From: "looper @ jump/cut" To: References: Subject: Re: Making your own cables... Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:51:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C31568.F5C1D990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3718.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3718.0 Resent-Message-ID: <6yGFLB.A.uoC.tNsu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C31568.F5C1D990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i used George L's for my custom cables in my pedalboard ... easy to = assemble and i've had no problems with them at all ... best investment i = made and the right angle ends are great too! http://www.georgels.com/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan El-Bizri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: Making your own cables... Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any resources for making your own = cables?=20 I'm in the process of rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a = good job for once. Also, I have a number of specific items I need to = create (such as y-cables for mixing two signals - with resistors inline) = and making cables seems like a good place to start. bIz www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some = Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and = I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C31568.F5C1D990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i used George L's for my custom cables = in my=20 pedalboard ... easy to assemble and i've had no problems with them at = all ...=20 best investment i made and the right angle ends are great = too!
 
http://www.georgels.com/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jonathan=20 El-Bizri
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 1:08=20 PM
Subject: Making your own = cables...

Hi,
 
    I was wondering = if anyone=20 had any resources for making your own cables?
 
    I'm in the = process of=20 rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a good job for once. Also, I = have a=20 number of specific items I need to create (such as y-cables for mixing = two=20 signals - with resistors inline) and making cables seems like a good = place to=20 start.
 
 
bIz
 
www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop = with some=20 Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, = and I=20 could do better with a cassette deck and a=20 microphone."
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C31568.F5C1D990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 17:19:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48LHKl15133; Thu, 8 May 2003 17:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:17:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030508153720.02dccc80@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 16:15:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: digital camera for tour documentation In-Reply-To: References: <014a01c31541$28e723c0$3362f93f@global> <014a01c31541$28e723c0$3362f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:35 AM 5/8/2003 -0700, Dave Trenkel wrote: >>I would be very appreciative if someone >>could recommend me a particularly excellent >>deal on a digital camera. >> >>I'd like 3.0 megapixels and, hopefully under >>$300. >I have a Nikon Coolpix 885 that I bought for under $300 last year. It's >very small and easy to use for a photo-neophyte like myself, but my wife, >who has a degree in photography, finds that it has enough options to get >good shots for her as well. It's probably been replaced by something >better and smaller at the same price by now. I'd second the Coolpix recommendation. My wife & I are in a similar situation, where she's studying photography and I actually worked as a photographer in a previous life (C&P was my minor in college as well). We picked up a Coolpix 775 a little over a year ago and our opinion matches Dave's exactly -- small footprint, and easy-to-use for a novice while offering a lot of options for the semi-professional. As a matter of fact we liked the little 775 so much we just got its big brother -- the Coolpix 5700. It just came in this morning and my wife's wandering around shooting everything in the apartment even as we speak. ;) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 17:20:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48LJM115381; Thu, 8 May 2003 17:19:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:19:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030508170038.00aa1b00@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:29:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: rolling your own Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_25768609==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <3GsQBD.A.uuD.8msu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_25768609==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed hey bIz hell yeah i make my own. it can be a great way to save money, as well as getting precisely what you need for whatever you need it for, cable-wise. for example - if you have a bunch of sources that are located physically nearby one another (such as in a rack) why not use a multichannel snake instead of individual runs? my rig has one 6 channel snake that Y's into 2 groups of 3 ch's; each of different lengths, terminating in a few different kinds of connectors and servicing both inputs and outputs. one side is connected right to a mixer, man does it save set up time (and for me, that's saying a lot.) you can do a pretty good job with gepco snake for a job like this and it won't set you back like canare or mogami will. and get a switchcraft catalog. you wouldn't know how many termination options there are in the world til you see one of these. man, i am SO down with right-angle 1/4" plugs. i get all sexed up just thinking bout em. if you live near a decent pro-audio house (guitar center does NOT count) they should be able to sell you raw wire (snake, single conductor shielded, whatever you need) by the foot right off the roll. i'm lucky, living in nyc, i just go get. colors, even. if you're not so well situated for that, a full compass catalog will do almost as nicely. you can get raw wire and connectors from them. and the smell of solder - don't even START me! a:c on Thu, 8 May 2003 13:08:37 -0700 "Jonathan El-Bizri" wondered: Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any resources for making your own cables? I'm in the process of rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a good job for once. Also, I have a number of specific items I need to create (such as y-cables for mixing two signals - with resistors inline) and making cables seems like a good place to start. bIz --=====================_25768609==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

hey bIz

hell yeah i make my own. it can be a great way to save money, as well as getting precisely what you need for whatever you need it for, cable-wise.

for example - if you have a bunch of sources that are located physically nearby one another (such as in a rack) why not use a multichannel snake instead of individual runs? my rig has one 6 channel snake that Y's into 2 groups of 3 ch's; each of different lengths, terminating in a few different kinds of connectors and servicing both inputs and outputs. one side is connected right to a mixer, man does it save set up time (and for me, that's saying a lot.)

you can do a pretty good job with gepco snake for a job like this and it won't set you back like canare or mogami will.

and get a switchcraft catalog. you wouldn't know how many termination options there are in the world til you see one of these. man, i am SO down with right-angle 1/4" plugs. i get all sexed up just thinking bout em.

if you live near a decent pro-audio house (guitar center does NOT count) they should be able to sell you raw wire (snake, single conductor shielded, whatever you need) by the foot right off the roll. i'm lucky, living in nyc, i just go get. colors, even.

if you're not so well situated for that, a full compass catalog will do almost as nicely. you can get raw wire and connectors from them.

and the smell of solder - don't even START me!

a:c


on Thu, 8 May 2003 13:08:37 -0700
"Jonathan El-Bizri" <ssrndpty@hotmail.com>
wondered:

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone had any resources for making your own cables?
I'm in the process of rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a good job for once. Also, I have a number of specific items I need to create (such as y-cables for mixing two signals - with resistors inline) and making cables seems like a good place to start.
bIz
 --=====================_25768609==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 17:29:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48LRSZ16420; Thu, 8 May 2003 17:27:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:27:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:26:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3EBA9177000006C4@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h48LQvB16248 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Acadia is a font, I believe... peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 13:13:34 -0700 >From: glenn >Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Trying to install them on a mac but it keep saying something about needing >"acadia" file? > > > >on 5/8/03 11:45 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > >> At 11:40 AM -0700 5/8/03, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >>> >>> I heard rumours that opcode was under the process of ressurection. >> >> Could you be more specific? >> >> The only thing I know about is that Gibson recently made Studio >> Vision Pro 4.5.1 and Vision DSP 4.5.1 available free on the Opcode >> Web site. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 17:39:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48Laxs17598; Thu, 8 May 2003 17:36:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:36:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:36:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3EBA9177000006EA@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h48LaTB17510 Resent-Message-ID: <9CZY6D.A.3RE.d3su-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ooooohhh.. Interesting news about Chris Halaby and Dan... We (Euphonix) just had Dan in to talking about some more contract work and he didn't mention anything.. that guy! hehe... peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:34:06 -0700 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Richard Zvonar >Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >At 12:18 PM -0700 5/8/03, Chris Roberts wrote: >>As an ex-employee of Opcode, I'd be surprised if that happened... >>I highly doubt Dave Oppenhiem ... would be involved with this... > >You are almost certainly right. The Opcodians (including Dave) I've >talked to in recent years were embittered by that experiece with >Gibson and have moved on to other things. > > >>Of course, Gibson could just throw a bunch of new people at the software >base > >I believe that was Henry's idea. He seems to have no inkling of the >fact that great products come from great people - and these are not >just a bunch of code monkeys. > >>I believe Dan Timis did most of the work on the Pitch to MIDI code > >Dan is up to something with Chris Halaby. > >http://www.museresearch.com/chrishalaby.html >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 17:42:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48LdTG17930; Thu, 8 May 2003 17:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030508170038.00aa1b00@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: rolling your own Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:38:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03C3_01C3156F.79EDB300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 21:38:24.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[270C5890:01C315AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03C3_01C3156F.79EDB300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killer! Thanks all.=20 Another question: As I mentioned, I need to combine multiple outputs = into an input. So far, I've been doing this with female input y-cables, = which I have read in more than one place, is a Really Bad Idea, since = you are feeding the line amp outs of each device into each other. Is = this the case? I posted to recording.org regarding this and someone responded that the = problem could be solved by placing a resistor (I can't remember the size = I'm afraid, and recording.org is down) on each output, to bring the = power of the signal down to where it could do no damage. Is this a feasible solution? Wouldn't this affect the tone of the = signal? The cables will short - less than a foot or so, so noise and degradation = shouldn't been an issue. Thanks, bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some = Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and = I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: anti:clockwise=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:29 PM Subject: rolling your own hey bIz hell yeah i make my own. it can be a great way to save money, as well = as getting precisely what you need for whatever you need it for, = cable-wise. for example - if you have a bunch of sources that are located = physically nearby one another (such as in a rack) why not use a = multichannel snake instead of individual runs? my rig has one 6 channel = snake that Y's into 2 groups of 3 ch's; each of different lengths, = terminating in a few different kinds of connectors and servicing both = inputs and outputs. one side is connected right to a mixer, man does it = save set up time (and for me, that's saying a lot.) you can do a pretty good job with gepco snake for a job like this and = it won't set you back like canare or mogami will. and get a switchcraft catalog. you wouldn't know how many termination = options there are in the world til you see one of these. man, i am SO = down with right-angle 1/4" plugs. i get all sexed up just thinking bout = em. if you live near a decent pro-audio house (guitar center does NOT = count) they should be able to sell you raw wire (snake, single conductor = shielded, whatever you need) by the foot right off the roll. i'm lucky, = living in nyc, i just go get. colors, even. if you're not so well situated for that, a full compass catalog will = do almost as nicely. you can get raw wire and connectors from them. and the smell of solder - don't even START me! a:c on Thu, 8 May 2003 13:08:37 -0700=20 "Jonathan El-Bizri" =20 wondered: Hi,=20 I was wondering if anyone had any resources for making your own = cables?=20 I'm in the process of rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a good = job for once. Also, I have a number of specific items I need to create = (such as y-cables for mixing two signals - with resistors inline) and = making cables seems like a good place to start.=20 bIz ------=_NextPart_000_03C3_01C3156F.79EDB300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Killer!
 
Thanks all.
 
Another question: As I mentioned, I = need to=20 combine multiple outputs into an input. So far, I've been doing this = with female=20 input y-cables, which I have read in more than one place, is a Really = Bad Idea,=20 since you are feeding the line amp outs of each device into each other. = Is this=20 the case?
 
I posted to recording.org regarding = this and=20 someone responded that the problem could be solved by placing a resistor = (I=20 can't remember the size I'm afraid, and recording.org is down) on each = output,=20 to bring the power of the signal down to where it could do no=20 damage.
 
Is this a feasible solution? = Wouldn't this=20 affect the tone of the signal?
 
The cables will short - less = than a foot or=20 so, so noise and degradation shouldn't been an issue.
 
Thanks,
 
bIz
 
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www.groovetronica.com - "No = offense, but=20 a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me=20 technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck = and a=20 microphone."
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 anti:clockwise =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 2:29=20 PM
Subject: rolling your own



hey bIz

hell yeah i make my own. it can = be a=20 great way to save money, as well as getting precisely what you need = for=20 whatever you need it for, cable-wise.

for example - if you have = a bunch=20 of sources that are located physically nearby one another (such as in = a rack)=20 why not use a multichannel snake instead of individual runs? my rig = has one 6=20 channel snake that Y's into 2 groups of 3 ch's; each of different = lengths,=20 terminating in a few different kinds of connectors and servicing both = inputs=20 and outputs. one side is connected right to a mixer, man does it save = set up=20 time (and for me, that's saying a lot.)

you can do a pretty = good job=20 with gepco snake for a job like this and it won't set you back like = canare or=20 mogami will.

and get a switchcraft catalog. you wouldn't know = how many=20 termination options there are in the world til you see one of these. = man, i am=20 SO down with right-angle 1/4" plugs. i get all sexed up just thinking = bout=20 em.

if you live near a decent pro-audio house (guitar center = does NOT=20 count) they should be able to sell you raw wire (snake, single = conductor=20 shielded, whatever you need) by the foot right off the roll. i'm = lucky, living=20 in nyc, i just go get. colors, even.

if you're not so well = situated for=20 that, a full compass = catalog will do=20 almost as nicely. you can get raw wire and connectors from = them.

and=20 the smell of solder - don't even START me!

a:c


on = Thu, 8 May=20 2003 13:08:37 -0700
"Jonathan El-Bizri" = <ssrndpty@hotmail.com>=20
wondered:

Hi,
I was wondering if = anyone had=20 any resources for making your own cables?
I'm in the process of = rebuilding=20 my rack, and would like to do a good job for once. Also, I have a = number of=20 specific items I need to create (such as y-cables for mixing two = signals -=20 with resistors inline) and making cables seems like a good place to = start.=20
bIz
 ------=_NextPart_000_03C3_01C3156F.79EDB300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 18:02:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48M0rf22129; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:00:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:00:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030508150052.00af05c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 15:01:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: jamman upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20030508192615.98716.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAFCB@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:26 PM 5/8/2003, Louie Angulo wrote: >Just curious what exactly does the Jamman upgrade do? >L.a Bob Sellon's web site: http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/index.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 18:05:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48M52J22582; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:05:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:05:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030508150130.044a0e10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 15:05:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: multiple jam-things In-Reply-To: <20030508192202.16743.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6BAE8EBF-8184-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:22 PM 5/8/2003, Louie Angulo wrote: >My one wish from both loopers for example would be >that i could cut a middle part (from A,B,C cut B and >paste A and C together) sort of like Acid.Or is there >a way of accompishing this... simple on the Echoplex: press Multiply at the beginning of the C cycle. end multiply at the end of A. B will now by cut out, and the loop will be A C A C etc., all done in real time. you could also do this as a loop copy into a second loop, so you can still go back to Loop 1 with the A B C loop. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 18:15:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48ME3N23523; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:14:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:14:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1052432012.3ebad68cc6e8c@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:13:32 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? References: <304C7EAA-8182-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.177.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Richard Zvonar : > The only thing I know about is that Gibson recently made Studio > Vision Pro 4.5.1 and Vision DSP 4.5.1 available free on the Opcode > Web site. well, yes. but you have to google for it. the pages are still there, but opcode.com/index.htm just re-directs you to gibson.com --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 18:24:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48MNZS24545; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:23:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:22:53 -0700 Subject: Re: rolling your own Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9C6A9498-81A3-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h48MMxB24456 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My recommendations would be to use a decent mixer to combine signals if you can. I use a small 3 stereo channel mixer in the back of my rack to feed my Repeater when I do gigs and it works great. Mark On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 02:38 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >   > Killer! >   > Thanks all. >   > Another question: As I mentioned, I need to combine multiple outputs > into an input. So far, I've been doing this with female input > y-cables, which I have read in more than one place, is a Really Bad > Idea, since you are feeding the line amp outs of each device into each > other. Is this the case? >   > I posted to recording.org regarding this and someone responded that > the problem could be solved by placing a resistor (I can't remember > the size I'm afraid, and recording.org is down) on each output, to > bring the power of the signal down to where it could do no damage. >   > Is this a feasible solution? Wouldn't this affect the tone of the > signal? >   > The cables will short - less than a foot or so, so noise and > degradation shouldn't been an issue. >   > Thanks, >   > bIz >   > --------------------- > www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some > Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, > and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." > --------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: anti:clockwise > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:29 PM > Subject: rolling your own > > > > hey bIz > > hell yeah i make my own. it can be a great way to save money, as well > as getting precisely what you need for whatever you need it for, > cable-wise. > > for example - if you have a bunch of sources that are located > physically nearby one another (such as in a rack) why not use a > multichannel snake instead of individual runs? my rig has one 6 > channel snake that Y's into 2 groups of 3 ch's; each of different > lengths, terminating in a few different kinds of connectors and > servicing both inputs and outputs. one side is connected right to a > mixer, man does it save set up time (and for me, that's saying a lot.) > > you can do a pretty good job with gepco snake for a job like this and > it won't set you back like canare or mogami will. > > and get a switchcraft catalog. you wouldn't know how many termination > options there are in the world til you see one of these. man, i am SO > down with right-angle 1/4" plugs. i get all sexed up just thinking > bout em. > > if you live near a decent pro-audio house (guitar center does NOT > count) they should be able to sell you raw wire (snake, single > conductor shielded, whatever you need) by the foot right off the roll. > i'm lucky, living in nyc, i just go get. colors, even. > > if you're not so well situated for that, a full compass catalog will > do almost as nicely. you can get raw wire and connectors from them. > > and the smell of solder - don't even START me! > > a:c > > > on Thu, 8 May 2003 13:08:37 -0700 > "Jonathan El-Bizri" > wondered: > > Hi, > I was wondering if anyone had any resources for making your own cables? > I'm in the process of rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a good > job for once. Also, I have a number of specific items I need to create > (such as y-cables for mixing two signals - with resistors inline) and > making cables seems like a good place to start. > bIz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 18:25:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48MOW024650; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:24:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:24:04 -0700 Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EBA9177000006C4@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com True. Used to come with Vision I believe. On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 02:26 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: > Acadia is a font, I believe... > > peace > -cpr > >> -- Original Message -- >> Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 13:13:34 -0700 >> From: glenn >> Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> Trying to install them on a mac but it keep saying something about >> needing >> "acadia" file? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 18:26:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48MPKB24817; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:25:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:25:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:24:44 -0700 Subject: Re: digital camera for tour documentation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030508153720.02dccc80@icicle.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a friend selling a Coolpix 990 for $300 if anyone's interested. Mark On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 02:15 PM, Catilyne wrote: > At 09:35 AM 5/8/2003 -0700, Dave Trenkel wrote: >>> I would be very appreciative if someone >>> could recommend me a particularly excellent >>> deal on a digital camera. >>> >>> I'd like 3.0 megapixels and, hopefully under >>> $300. >> I have a Nikon Coolpix 885 that I bought for under $300 last year. >> It's very small and easy to use for a photo-neophyte like myself, but >> my wife, who has a degree in photography, finds that it has enough >> options to get good shots for her as well. It's probably been >> replaced by something better and smaller at the same price by now. > > I'd second the Coolpix recommendation. My wife & I are in a similar > situation, where she's studying photography and I actually worked as a > photographer in a previous life (C&P was my minor in college as well). > We picked up a Coolpix 775 a little over a year ago and our opinion > matches Dave's exactly -- small footprint, and easy-to-use for a > novice while offering a lot of options for the semi-professional. > > As a matter of fact we liked the little 775 so much we just got its > big brother -- the Coolpix 5700. It just came in this morning and my > wife's wandering around shooting everything in the apartment even as > we speak. ;) > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 18:46:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48MfxP26723; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:41:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EBA9177000006C4@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> References: <3EBA9177000006C4@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:37:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: How's the pitch-to-midi of Roland VP-70? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <18BvlB.A.ZfG.H0tu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:26 PM -0700 5/8/03, Chris Roberts wrote: >Acadia is a font, I believe... Acadia is not a font. It's a library that is part of the audio system used by Studio Vision. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 18:48:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48Mfja26684; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:41:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:41:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030508224111.98789.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:41:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: rolling your own To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Another question: As I mentioned, I need to combine multiple outputs into an > input. So far, I've been doing this with female input y-cables, which I have > read in more than one place, is a Really Bad Idea, since you are feeding the > line amp outs of each device into each other. Is this the case? It's really the impedence mismatch due to the outputs seeing each other. here's a reference on how to rectify it. http://www.rane.com/note109.html > Is this a feasible solution? Wouldn't this affect the tone of the signal? No. As far as parts go (from another msg where you asked...), I've had good luck buying Neutrik & Switchcraft connectors from Markertek. Prices were better then other places I checked, and depending on how many you need, I believe you can get quantity discounts. I believe their price on Canare wire was a bit lower as well, but it's been awhile since I bought any. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 19:21:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48NCTl31069; Thu, 8 May 2003 19:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:12:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20030508224111.98789.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: rolling your own Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:11:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 23:11:54.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[370838B0:01C315B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As usual, this list is a fountain of knowledge. Thanks all. I'll do my best to pass on information when it's my turn. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: Re: rolling your own > --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > Another question: As I mentioned, I need to combine multiple outputs into an > > input. So far, I've been doing this with female input y-cables, which I have > > read in more than one place, is a Really Bad Idea, since you are feeding the > > line amp outs of each device into each other. Is this the case? > > It's really the impedence mismatch due to the outputs seeing each other. here's a > reference on how to rectify it. > > http://www.rane.com/note109.html > > > Is this a feasible solution? Wouldn't this affect the tone of the signal? > > No. > > As far as parts go (from another msg where you asked...), I've had good luck > buying Neutrik & Switchcraft connectors from Markertek. Prices were better then > other places I checked, and depending on how many you need, I believe you can get > quantity discounts. I believe their price on Canare wire was a bit lower as well, > but it's been awhile since I bought any. > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 19:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48NI5e31729; Thu, 8 May 2003 19:18:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:18:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 63.89.2.100 Message-ID: <001a01c315b7$b3c3d4e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "astroblue" To: References: Subject: Re: digital camera for tour documentation Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:15:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a StyleCam Blink digicam I bought new for $50 , no flash though. Great for website quality snapshots. http://www.sipixdigital.com/cameras/styleblink/ I bought it from ThinkGeek. I see they don't sell it now but have something even cheaper! new model of the Blink it seems. Only $40 now. http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/cameras/5c79/ -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 19:38:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h48NVGX00792; Thu, 8 May 2003 19:31:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:31:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <001a01c315b7$b3c3d4e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> Subject: Re: digital camera for tour documentation Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:30:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 23:30:41.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6C8E910:01C315B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you got any online we can see? THanks, Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "astroblue" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: Re: digital camera for tour documentation > > I've got a StyleCam Blink digicam I bought new for $50 , no flash though. > Great for website quality snapshots. > http://www.sipixdigital.com/cameras/styleblink/ > > I bought it from ThinkGeek. I see they don't sell it now but have something > even cheaper! new model of the Blink it seems. Only $40 now. > http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/cameras/5c79/ > > > -Bob > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 20:16:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4906Pq05579; Thu, 8 May 2003 20:06:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:06:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.197.227] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: jamman upgrade? Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 00:05:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2003 00:05:50.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFC03480:01C315BE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I have become somewhat of the list's resident JamBoy expert...I have been using the upgrade chip for about a year now, and gave a detailed clinic on it's uses at the recent Loopstck. So, what does it do? Most importantly it allows for simultaneous PARALLEL loops to run. The total loop time is still governed by the 32 sec. memory limit, but each loop now has it's own mute, replace, layer, and FADE (yes FADE..both volatile and non-volaitle varieties), as well as these functions being global. and loops can be paused...not just muted, so that another click of thepedal, regardless of where in the "loop series" one is, will start the loop from its begining........ The Fades, whether on the mix or on individual channels, can be reversed, also, so that a loop which has been faded out can be faded back in. The loop "channels" are now placed in a stereo field (not seteo looping, but the playback is "stereoized") and a pannable across a 180 degree spread...very cool. There is also a metronome click, not recorded by the loop but audible...and a programmable pre-loop delay (a'la Line6 DL4) The hippest thing tho, is that any of the parallel loops can be toggled into delay mode WHILE THE LOOPS ARE RUNNING, thus allowing you to "fade and replace" looped audio at a rate dependent upon the feedback level (who's parameters have also been enhanced). Feedback, along with all other parameters are accesible via MIDI pgm change and CC commands (much improved over the original layout), and these commands are mappable! Yes there is also a smaple playback via MIDI function (which is tunable) and a mellotron mode, much like the Repeater. Overall, besides a few bugs still in the software (the reverse function operates as a oneshot, then kills the loop), it greatly enhances the "interactive playability" of the JamDude. The parallel loop ability makes it seems as tho you have four (or more) "standard" JamBoys running simultaneously, the fade out/fade in function allows for segues between loop sections..and the ability to toggle 'tween loop and delay modes (with r/t MIDI CC control over feedback) makes playing "with" (as opposed to "to") the loop a real gas. Oh yes, with the addition of another EEPROM (about $90) the unit will remember "setups" (MIDI channels, pan positions, feedback lvls.echo divde, pre-delay time, mix vol. threshold etc) and there are 16 "pages" of these memory slots to recall (via MIDI of course). ANd....all the functions can be accessed sans MIDI with two three button footswitches such as the Digitech FS300. Pretty gosh darn cool.......... Max > >At 12:26 PM 5/8/2003, Louie Angulo wrote: >>Just curious what exactly does the Jamman upgrade do? >>L.a > >Bob Sellon's web site: >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/index.html > >kim > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 20:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49095105983; Thu, 8 May 2003 20:09:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:09:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Making your own cables... From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 08 May 2003 19:07:32 -0400 Message-Id: <1052435253.2816.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 16:08, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if anyone had any resources for making your own cables? > > I'm in the process of rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a good job for once. Also, I have a number of specific items I need to create (such as y-cables for mixing two signals - with resistors inline) and making cables seems like a good place to start. George L cables are awesome for regular use, but you can't use them for splitters and stuff. When i switched to George L cables, i no longer needed a clean buffer pedal to drive all my effects anymore. One of the best sound investments i've made. -dave "Who provides the profits - these nice little profits of 20, 100, 300, 1,500 and 1,800 per cent? We all pay them - in taxation... But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill." --Major General Smedley Butler, "War Is a Racket" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 23:49:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h493nFF29748; Thu, 8 May 2003 23:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 23:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:56:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: jamman upgrade and syncing multiple loopers Resent-Message-ID: <836wVC.A.WQH.fUyu-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding the jamman upgrade, Judging only from what Max Valentino did at the Loopstock II, I would say that it is absolutely worth upgrading, just be prepared as Max did, to spend the time to get it up to speed. Regarding syncing multiple loopers. My suggestion would be to have everyone in your band sharing a common midi patch bay (preferably programmable) so that you are not chaining the midi from one looper to another to another, which can create its own latency problems, and so that you can quickly change midi configurations depending on who or what is acting as clock. Each person will need their own midi merge box if they want to be able to independently control there own loopers from a midi pedal. If you are just using regular footswitches for the rptr or jamman,or edp the merge box is not necessary. A programmable midi patch bay is an vital piece of equipment for me, even though it seems few companies make them any more. I have and old discontinued programmable DMC MX8, I noticed that Edirol, makes a new one that seems pretty full featured. A good programmable midi patch bay should be able to filter the midi data so that each player can control there own looper, but not be sending unwanted control or program change data to another persons looper. Be prepared to spend some time getting the patch bay tailored to your band's needs. If you buy something used, make sure it has a manual, if you don't understand midi filtering. Live I run a drum machine, a rptr, an edp (yep, that's right, I've joined the ranks),a guitar synth with sync capable arpeggiator, a filter factory, and an effects processor, that are all requiring midi clock. If I'm playing with Rick or another looper, that adds yet another device requiring clock. If I were chaining one device to another, by the time I got to the last device I would have noticeable latency. A midi patch bay will help sync issues. So will keeping your midi cables, if possible to 10 feet or less. This may seem a little anal but I think it helps cut down midi clock latency. Another thing that will help sync issues with two loopers is having both being driven by the midi clock of a drum machine or some other more stable clock source. Both the jamman, the edp, and the rptr tend to exhibit some tempo drift but they are more stable when driven by a drum machine. I've been experimenting with trying to create loops without hearing the drum machine part, but having it act as the master clock source, and watching the clock light flash on the repeater for the tempo. Its tricky but I'm getting better at it. It frees me from having to have a beat box in the mix, but still provides a more stable clock. I realize mid sync issues with the various hardware loopers are frustrating. The afore mentioned suggestions have helped me minimize them. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 01:45:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h495iTE09040; Fri, 9 May 2003 01:44:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 01:44:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c315ed$c6073760$be61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305090349.h493ntl29972@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Bob Sellon URL not working........got another? Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:42:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This URL does not seem to be working. http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/index.html Has anyone been in touch with Bob, recently? rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 02:00:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h495xY911455; Fri, 9 May 2003 01:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 01:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.29.48] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bob Sellon URL not working........got another? Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 05:58:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2003 05:58:57.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[1495ECD0:01C315F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you might also want to try www.jamman.org Max > >This URL does not seem to be working. > >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/index.html > >Has anyone been in touch with Bob, recently? > >rick > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 02:09:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4968nk12379; Fri, 9 May 2003 02:08:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:08:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.30c55c2e.2bec9fd1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:08:17 EDT Subject: Help! I may need a new line mixer! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4968LB12316 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Argh! Just a little over two weeks before my big gig and my trusty Rocktron G612, one space, 12-channel, 4-send, rack mixer went on the fritz this evening. Any recommendations? I saw a used Roland M12O for sale somewhere and even though it's used, their stuff is usually built like a tank. And yes, I do need all of those channels and aux FX sends. I also prefer something rackable in only a couple of spaces. Not too much being made like that these days. Anybody got any ideas? This thing has served me well for nearly a decade. I'm gonna miss the dumb thing. I don't seem to be able to find an exact replacement. So I'll probably have to go with whatever else I can find. Any suggestions/advice would be appreciated. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 02:30:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h496Soo13730; Fri, 9 May 2003 02:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030509062844.1006.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 23:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: jamman upgrade? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you guys! (Kim the link didn work unfortunately) L.a --- max valentino wrote: > > I guess I have become somewhat of the list's > resident JamBoy expert...I have > been using the upgrade chip for about a year now, > and gave a detailed clinic > on it's uses at the recent Loopstck. > > So, what does it do? Most importantly it allows for > simultaneous PARALLEL > loops to run. The total loop time is still governed > by the 32 sec. memory > limit, but each loop now has it's own mute, replace, > layer, and FADE (yes > FADE..both volatile and non-volaitle varieties), as > well as these functions > being global. > and loops can be paused...not just muted, so that > another click of thepedal, > regardless of where in the "loop series" one is, > will start the loop from > its begining........ > The Fades, whether on the mix or on individual > channels, can be reversed, > also, so that a loop which has been faded out can be > faded back in. > > The loop "channels" are now placed in a stereo field > (not seteo looping, but > the playback is "stereoized") and a pannable across > a 180 degree > spread...very cool. > There is also a metronome click, not recorded by the > loop but audible...and > a programmable pre-loop delay (a'la Line6 DL4) > > The hippest thing tho, is that any of the parallel > loops can be toggled into > delay mode WHILE THE LOOPS ARE RUNNING, thus > allowing you to "fade and > replace" looped audio at a rate dependent upon the > feedback level (who's > parameters have also been enhanced). Feedback, > along with all other > parameters are accesible via MIDI pgm change and CC > commands (much improved > over the original layout), and these commands are > mappable! > > Yes there is also a smaple playback via MIDI > function (which is tunable) and > a mellotron mode, much like the Repeater. > > Overall, besides a few bugs still in the software > (the reverse function > operates as a oneshot, then kills the loop), it > greatly enhances the > "interactive playability" of the JamDude. The > parallel loop ability makes > it seems as tho you have four (or more) "standard" > JamBoys running > simultaneously, the fade out/fade in function allows > for segues between loop > sections..and the ability to toggle 'tween loop and > delay modes (with r/t > MIDI CC control over feedback) makes playing "with" > (as opposed to "to") the > loop a real gas. > > Oh yes, with the addition of another EEPROM (about > $90) the unit will > remember "setups" (MIDI channels, pan positions, > feedback lvls.echo divde, > pre-delay time, mix vol. threshold etc) and there > are 16 "pages" of these > memory slots to recall (via MIDI of course). > > ANd....all the functions can be accessed sans MIDI > with two three button > footswitches such as the Digitech FS300. > > Pretty gosh darn cool.......... > > Max > > > > >At 12:26 PM 5/8/2003, Louie Angulo wrote: > >>Just curious what exactly does the Jamman upgrade > do? > >>L.a > > > >Bob Sellon's web site: > >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/index.html > > > >kim > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 03:47:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h497khG20977; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:46:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 03:46:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030509004403.04902b10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 00:47:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: jamman upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20030509062844.1006.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hm, seems to be working now. internet juju. kim At 11:28 PM 5/8/2003, Louie Angulo wrote: >Thank you guys! >(Kim the link didn work unfortunately) >L.a > > >Bob Sellon's web site: > > >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/index.html > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 04:23:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h498N2R25098; Fri, 9 May 2003 04:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 04:23:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c31604$32b50430$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030509004403.04902b10@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: jamman upgrade? Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:22:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <84Sv0B.A.-HG.lV2u-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, it worked for me earlier, too. Another damned intermittent server, like mine. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: Re: jamman upgrade? > hm, seems to be working now. internet juju. > kim > > At 11:28 PM 5/8/2003, Louie Angulo wrote: > >Thank you guys! > >(Kim the link didn work unfortunately) > >L.a > > > > >Bob Sellon's web site: > > > >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 04:38:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h498b3C26349; Fri, 9 May 2003 04:37:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 04:37:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 01:35:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Help! I may need a new line mixer! From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6a.30c55c2e.2bec9fd1@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h498b3B26326 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got a Roland M120 and i have no idea why i sent this e/mail as it is definitelee not a suggestion or advice. stan (sorry, i been @ a shitones/mermen show here in the city @ the beach chalet at ocean beach-the best "free" show in san francisco and the place has its own brewery! need i say more? ted- i feel the pain and yeah those m120s are "built like a tank") > Argh! > > Just a little over two weeks before my big gig and my trusty > Rocktron G612, one space, 12-channel, 4-send, rack mixer > went on the fritz this evening. > > Any recommendations? I saw a used Roland M12O for sale > somewhere and even though it's used, their stuff is usually > built like a tank. > > And yes, I do need all of those channels and aux FX sends. > I also prefer something rackable in only a couple of spaces. > Not too much being made like that these days. Anybody > got any ideas? > > This thing has served me well for nearly a decade. I'm gonna > miss the dumb thing. I don't seem to be able to find an > exact replacement. So I'll probably have to go with whatever > else I can find. > > Any suggestions/advice would be appreciated. > > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > ArsOcarina@aol.com > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 05:08:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4996rR29187; Fri, 9 May 2003 05:06:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 05:06:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030509110540.02cda260@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:07:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: Bass and Guitar Distortion Device... In-Reply-To: <200305042016.h44KGWO31127@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2348246==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <9Dx-r.A.7HH.t-2u-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_2348246==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Bass distortion... After going through a lot of different racks and pedals i finally discovered the DOD "Bass Grunge Machine". A nice pedal live or in the studio for both bass and guitar. Check it out. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_2348246==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Bass distortion...

After going through a lot of different racks and pedals i finally discovered the DOD "Bass Grunge Machine". A nice pedal live or in the studio for both bass and guitar.

Check it out.

JPW





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 --=====================_2348246==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 05:29:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h499N4e30030; Fri, 9 May 2003 05:23:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 05:23:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c3160c$5ea20180$be61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305090349.h493ntl29972@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: creating a PROFESSIONAL PRESS PACKET Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:21:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi fellow loopers, A young looper just wrote me and asked me about how he could possibly get in on some of the events that are happening in the next couple of month in Europe and the British Isles. Of course, it takes a lot of prep work to book gigs and a lot of lead time (I've been planning this for six months and working hard the whole time), but I told him that he would at least need to have a professional packet to start approaching all the people who have been producing looping events as well as the myriads of people who book music festivals, museums, art galleries, clubs, bookstores, private homes (house concerts) and anyone who has never considered doing an event in their establishment (which has been a huge source of my gigs in the past three and a half years since I started trying to take this looping madness outside of my own hometown). It occurred to me that a lot of musicians have not learned how to promote themselves and I think many have a hard time with the concept of 'packaging' and 'selling' themselves. Luckily anyone with a decent computer now has it within their grasp to make a professional and effective press packet with a little help from their knowledgeable friends. Having a website made for me was the best thing I've ever done and I can't believe that it took me so long to discover how important it is to have one. I couldn't possibly have booked this tour without the use of people's ability to download MP3s, .jpeg photographs, musical biographies and live music descriptions.............all essentially free. When you don't have that ability,having a good press packet is a great thing to have (and an adjunct to having a website). Here's what I wrote to him and I put it out in case anyone's looping career can be facilitated by it. Oh, and also, there are a lot of valid approaches to such a packet. I have just found this form to be pretty successful. Good luck with creating yours if you don't already have it. ********************************* Dear ________, I don't know where you are at with your music (please forgive me this) but I would suggest that you get yourself a demo CD together(I would highly recommend this over a cassette or minidisc recording because those media are not supported widely anymore) and a relatively professional looking packet. I do a lot of festivals and most won't even consider you without such a thing. I'm going to assume (for sake of brevity only so please don't think that I am being patronizing) that you don't have this. If you're already way ahead of the game then, please, don't take umbrage at my gratuitous suggestions.........LOL FOR A PROFESSIONAL PRESS PACKET you will need: an 8 X 10" glossy black and white photo of yourself that looks good enough to publish in a newspaper or brochure a 75 word descritpion of who you are for inclusion in a brochure a longer description of your live show for print journalists a bio of your musical career up until now (if you have no experience, be honest about it and make it funny..........make preposterous stuff up..........this is only a hook for the journalist to nibble at........the more entertaining (or overwhelming, hopefully) it is, the better the chance you have a plot of your stage set up (this can be neatly drawn, but is always nice if it's layed out in a page making program) a CD of some representative material (if you don't have one, gather some snippets of your work on any media and find a friend with a computer and a CD burner to help you assemble one and burn a few copies to keep around. a nice folder to put it all in a business card, specifically related to your music (even though it's frequently true for a lot of talented musicians, the cards that say Tim Stevens: accountant, loop guitarist are a dead give away that you are what they disgustingly call a 'weekend warrior' in the music business. a cheap way of making your own card on a computer that looks good is to make the letters be reversed and put them onto a black background andprint them on some nice bright paper (white, colors, I prefer flourescent paper but then, I'm sick.......... ;-) Best of luck and good luck with your looping music career, Rick Walker www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 05:47:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h499cD230809; Fri, 9 May 2003 05:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 05:38:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030509111245.02cdc7d8@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:38:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: Intro/ zoom bfx 708 II (other options) In-Reply-To: <200305051747.h45HlWE31923@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4226497==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_4226497==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed High; I don't know anything about the BFX 708 II but i've had a BFX 708 I for a few years now. The "Jam Play function" isn't useful for much more than setting up a pattern to jam over. You can't overdub onto it. Just the same, i use Jam Play together with my Line 6 Delay Modeler. If you're very financially restricted you could do a lot worse than a BFX. If you can stretch a bit, i'd recommend the BFX with an additional delay/sampling delay pedal. You can usually pick up DOD, Boss or Roland units pretty cheap on the second hand market. Hope this helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_4226497==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" High;

I don't know anything about the BFX 708 II but i've had a BFX 708 I for a few years now. The "Jam Play function" isn't useful for much more than setting up a pattern to jam over. You can't overdub onto it. Just the same, i use Jam Play together with my Line 6 Delay Modeler. If you're very financially restricted you could do a lot worse than a BFX. If you can stretch a bit, i'd recommend the BFX with an additional delay/sampling delay pedal. You can usually pick up DOD, Boss or Roland units pretty cheap on the second hand market.

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 --=====================_4226497==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 08:03:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49C1dK13195; Fri, 9 May 2003 08:01:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:01:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030509120133.47450.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 05:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: jamman upgrade? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030509004403.04902b10@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes now it works got ma jujus out! L.a --- Kim Flint wrote: > hm, seems to be working now. internet juju. > kim > > At 11:28 PM 5/8/2003, Louie Angulo wrote: > >Thank you guys! > >(Kim the link didn work unfortunately) > >L.a > > > > >Bob Sellon's web site: > > > > >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/index.html > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 08:12:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49CBW814374; Fri, 9 May 2003 08:11:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:11:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030509121125.17669.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 05:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: multiple jam-things To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030508150130.044a0e10@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you it goes to show that i have to spend more time with the EDP than the repeater:-) L.a--- Kim Flint wrote: > At 12:22 PM 5/8/2003, Louie Angulo wrote: > > >My one wish from both loopers for example would be > >that i could cut a middle part (from A,B,C cut B > and > >paste A and C together) sort of like Acid.Or is > there > >a way of accompishing this... > > simple on the Echoplex: > press Multiply at the beginning of the C cycle. > end multiply at the end of A. > B will now by cut out, and the loop will be A C A C > etc., all done in real > time. > > you could also do this as a loop copy into a second > loop, so you can still > go back to Loop 1 with the A B C loop. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 08:52:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49CqKq19021; Fri, 9 May 2003 08:52:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:52:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030509125150.61375.qmail@web13207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 05:51:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Cook Subject: echoplex problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1408111464-1052484710=:61017" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1408111464-1052484710=:61017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, The fuse in my echoplex recently blew. After a couple of days the new fuse blew. Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks.Markhttp://www.99namesofgod.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-1408111464-1052484710=:61017 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hi,
 
The fuse in my echoplex recently blew.  After a couple of days the new fuse blew.  Does anyone know what the problem might be? 
 
Thanks.
Mark
 

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Bingo. --0-1408111464-1052484710=:61017-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 09:14:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49DDC422418; Fri, 9 May 2003 09:13:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:13:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:12:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: 1st boss dd-20 online review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com was checking h-c.com and saw the first boss dd-20 review: http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Boss/DD_20-01.html -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 09:37:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49Db1t24602; Fri, 9 May 2003 09:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030509133618.30380.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: 1st boss dd-20 online review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was really little to learn from that review. I got little insight into the workings of that box. If you have to hold down a pedal to overdub it's not a bad thing. In fact, I might even like that for the tactile input while I'm looping. I don't trust the comment "you can't really switch the loop on and off - once it's switched off, it's deleted!" because it's possible this person misunderstood the instructions. I'm curious to know what "warp" and "twist" actually do. Too bad this person didn't get into details. As it is, it sounds like the old complaint "sounds too sterile" which is utter nonsense to me. It's a digital delay for crying out loud, if it sounds "sterile" then you better take a look at the rest of you rig and not the delay. Totally useless info there. Damn. I wish these were out in the stores where I'm at. --- Scott Hansen wrote: > was checking h-c.com and saw the first boss dd-20 > review: > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Boss/DD_20-01.html > -- > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 10:06:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49E5mK28725; Fri, 9 May 2003 10:05:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:05:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030509140509.83362.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: multiple jam-things To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6-lKnC.A.j-G.bW7u-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes i got it! gotta play with the EDP more i guess... l.a --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > > > My one wish from both loopers for example would be > > that i could cut a middle part (from A,B,C cut B > and > > paste A and C together) sort of like Acid.Or is > there > > a way of accompishing this... > > You loop gurus outhere? > > Loop windowing? > > bIz > > --------------------- > www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b > loop with some Holiday > Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or > talent wise, and I could do > better with a cassette deck and a microphone." > --------------------- > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 10:43:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49EgaS32110; Fri, 9 May 2003 10:42:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:42:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c31639$4d694f40$642bae40@kinesys1> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <20030509133618.30380.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 1st boss dd-20 online review Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:43:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Damn. I wish these were out in the stores where I'm > at. I just ordered mine yesterday (somehow there was one out there on eBay land) and should have it by the end of next week ... I'll post my findings soon! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 12:15:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49GDTr10252; Fri, 9 May 2003 12:13:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:13:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030509161231.73757.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: EDP unrounded multiply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it possible to do unrounded multiply with two taps? is quite tricky with the SusUnrounded multiply function. also when i press multiply with quantize off,roundmode off,switchquant off,leaving the foot on sustaining the button the loop plays through once and then there is silence.Is it overtaking the replace function? What would be the musical use here? L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 12:19:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49GJ9010886; Fri, 9 May 2003 12:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:19:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <6a.30c55c2e.2bec9fd1@aol.com> Subject: Re: Help! I may need a new line mixer! Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:18:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2003 16:18:45.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA1BB450:01C31646] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would it be worth getting it repaired? If you're in the SF bay area, I can recomend www.musiciansservice.com in the south bay. On a related note, I'm selling my 18 channel 2 send >half rack space< midiman mixer. It's a tad noisy, but not enough to make a problem live, or when using other noisy gear. $135 bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: Help! I may need a new line mixer! > Argh! > > Just a little over two weeks before my big gig and my trusty > Rocktron G612, one space, 12-channel, 4-send, rack mixer > went on the fritz this evening. > > Any recommendations? I saw a used Roland M12O for sale > somewhere and even though it's used, their stuff is usually > built like a tank. > > And yes, I do need all of those channels and aux FX sends. > I also prefer something rackable in only a couple of spaces. > Not too much being made like that these days. Anybody > got any ideas? > > This thing has served me well for nearly a decade. I'm gonna > miss the dumb thing. I don't seem to be able to find an > exact replacement. So I'll probably have to go with whatever > else I can find. > > Any suggestions/advice would be appreciated. > > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > ArsOcarina@aol.com > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 12:52:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49GqPm14518; Fri, 9 May 2003 12:52:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:52:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6a.30c55c2e.2bec9fd1@aol.com> References: <6a.30c55c2e.2bec9fd1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:51:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Help! I may need a new line mixer! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -3 () IN_REP_TO,MANY_EXCLAMATIONS,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Argh! > >Just a little over two weeks before my big gig and my trusty >Rocktron G612, one space, 12-channel, 4-send, rack mixer >went on the fritz this evening. > >Any recommendations? I saw a used Roland M12O for sale >somewhere and even though it's used, their stuff is usually >built like a tank. > >And yes, I do need all of those channels and aux FX sends. >I also prefer something rackable in only a couple of spaces. >Not too much being made like that these days. Anybody >got any ideas? > >This thing has served me well for nearly a decade. I'm gonna >miss the dumb thing. I don't seem to be able to find an >exact replacement. So I'll probably have to go with whatever >else I can find. > >Any suggestions/advice would be appreciated. Hi tED I replaced the Mackie 1202 in my live looping setup with a Roland M160, and I've been pretty happy with it. 16 channels, 4 sends (1 pre-fader) no EQ. Even though it's older, it's been way more reliable than the Mackie, I was replacing pots in it about every 3-4 months. Sounds good, not a ton of headroom, but if you watch your levels, it sounds excellent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 13:03:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49H1pG16687; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:01:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:01:33 -0400 From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com Subject: Re: Help! I may need a new line mixer! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3EBBDEED.75D38EF4@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <6a.30c55c2e.2bec9fd1@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I replaced the Mackie 1202 in my live looping setup with a Roland M160, > and I've been pretty happy with it. 16 channels, 4 sends (1 pre-fader) > no EQ. Even though it's older, it's been way more reliable than the > Mackie, I was replacing pots in it about every 3-4 months. What??? I've used my Mackie 1202 for over 5+ years of HARD live use and never had one problem ever. It's been used and seriously abused and has never so much has needed a cleaning let alone a pot replacement. Same with my original 1604. Can't speak to the new ones but the original 1202 has been the best mixer I have ever used. Perhaps you got a bum or seriously damaged unit? I would highly recommend a 1202 over a roland M160. not that those are bad units but they are not a "tank" IMO. the 1202 IS. Just my $ .02 Loop on! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 13:05:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49H4LK16931; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:04:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:04:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.113.34] X-Originating-Email: [nickschillace@hotmail.com] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help! I may need a new line mixer! Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:03:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2003 17:03:44.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2E9A5B0:01C3164C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I spent a real long time trying to dig up one of those Rocktron mixers. Even spoke with the Rocktron folks (now owned by GHS) here in Michigan and they say they haven't had one around for over 6 years. I remember seeing one used from a place on the East Coast for around $400-$500. Don't remember the name, sorry. I need at least 4 sends and couldn't find anything. I finally broke down and bought the big Behringer MX2624 ($250). It has 6 aux sends. The nice thing about it, and it almost makes up for the weight, is that it is is only 8 spaces (cables from the rear). I put it in the top of the cheap(around $60) SKB DJ shuttle that has 8 on top and 4 in front and despite being a bit flimsy, protects nicely and is light. I put a plex and an echo pro in the front with other revolving pieces. It works great and isn't too bad to move around. I do 3 nights a week min with it, a board, 1 or 2 amps, and a guitar or 2. It only sucks at 3am. Nick Schillace Detroit >From: ArsOcarina@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Help! I may need a new line mixer! >Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:08:17 EDT > >Argh! > >Just a little over two weeks before my big gig and my trusty >Rocktron G612, one space, 12-channel, 4-send, rack mixer >went on the fritz this evening. > >Any recommendations? I saw a used Roland M12O for sale >somewhere and even though it's used, their stuff is usually >built like a tank. > >And yes, I do need all of those channels and aux FX sends. >I also prefer something rackable in only a couple of spaces. >Not too much being made like that these days. Anybody >got any ideas? > >This thing has served me well for nearly a decade. I'm gonna >miss the dumb thing. I don't seem to be able to find an >exact replacement. So I'll probably have to go with whatever >else I can find. > >Any suggestions/advice would be appreciated. > >Best, > >tEd ® kiLLiAn > >ArsOcarina@aol.com >http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 13:38:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49HbFO21622; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:37:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:37:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030509173636.14913.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: EDP magic multiply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guys never mind here i found this function in fact very musical! it sort of like the undo/redo on the repeater but better!I record a cool james brown riff with bass and then i press multiply leaving my foot on it and it starts replacing the old material with a new funky riff without bass.Then i press undo and it goes back to the main riff with bass and its all done with one button,great for jamming on top of it!man the more i play with the EDP the more it impresses me,i usually don´t use any of the alternative functions, but my god the features on this thing have no end! L.a > button the loop plays through once and then there is > silence.Is it overtaking the replace function? What > would be the musical use here? > L.a > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 13:51:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49Ho4O23466; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:50:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:50:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: echoplex problem Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:49:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c31653$5bed2270$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030509125150.61375.qmail@web13207.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's very unusual for the fuse to blow in an EDP; I've never had it happen, (well over 1000 units). How old is it? Is it pre-1998 without the 5V supply conversion? Did you replace it with a 'Timed' or 'Slow-blow' fuse, these are usually marked T250mA? A fast-blow, marked 'F' can blow on start-up. Did both these fuses blow while you were using it or at start-up? Intermittent fuse failure is usually indicative of either a failing component, likely to be in the power-supply, or a dry solder joint that arcs and causes carbon build-up; again likely to be in the supply: transformer & voltage regulators. Send me more info and I'll try to help further, Regards, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Cook [mailto:markwaynecook@yahoo.com] Sent: 09 May 2003 13:52 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echoplex problem Hi, The fuse in my echoplex recently blew. After a couple of days the new fuse blew. Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks. Mark http://www.99namesofgod.com Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 13:54:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49HqjO23848; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:52:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:52:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: echoplex problem Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:52:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c31653$b97cb400$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030509125150.61375.qmail@web13207.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PS, don't replace the fuse with a higher value or you run the risk of complete carnage :) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Cook [mailto:markwaynecook@yahoo.com] Sent: 09 May 2003 13:52 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echoplex problem Hi, The fuse in my echoplex recently blew. After a couple of days the new fuse blew. Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks. Mark http://www.99namesofgod.com Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 14:05:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49I4OY26389; Fri, 9 May 2003 14:04:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:04:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <11d.21e9bf6b.2bed4772@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:03:30 EDT Subject: multiplying inserts? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11d.21e9bf6b.2bed4772_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11d.21e9bf6b.2bed4772_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a product that I could leave the inserts of my pre-amp and then it suddenly makes it so each of my inserts suddenly has multiple inserts per side with individual volume controls? My APHEX 207 has an insert for right and one for left... I want to multiply the inserts to make it work so that right has lets say... 8 separate inserts ... and the left has lets say 8 separate inserts... If such a device does not exist ... are there companies that would do such custom work? Regards, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.9andZen.com www.BEEbasses.com --part1_11d.21e9bf6b.2bed4772_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a product that I could leave the inserts of m= y pre-amp and then it
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My APHEX 207 has an insert for right and one for left...

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8 separate inserts ... and the left has lets say 8 separate inserts...

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Regards,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.9andZen.com
www.BEEbasses.com --part1_11d.21e9bf6b.2bed4772_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 14:12:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49IAiR27079; Fri, 9 May 2003 14:10:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:10:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <11d.21e9bf6b.2bed4772@aol.com> Subject: Re: multiplying inserts? Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:10:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3161B.88B27270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2003 18:10:04.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[37170580:01C31656] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3161B.88B27270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Series, or parallel? bIz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Looping9string@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:03 AM Subject: multiplying inserts?=20 Is there a product that I could leave the inserts of my pre-amp and = then it=20 suddenly makes it so each of my inserts suddenly has multiple inserts = per=20 side with individual volume controls? My APHEX 207 has an insert for right and one for left... I want to multiply the inserts to make it work so that right has lets = say...=20 8 separate inserts ... and the left has lets say 8 separate inserts... If such a device does not exist ... are there companies that would do = such=20 custom work? Regards, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.9andZen.com www.BEEbasses.com ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3161B.88B27270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Series, or parallel?
 
bIz
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Looping9string@aol.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 = 11:03 AM
Subject: multiplying inserts? =

Is there a product that I could leave the inserts = of my=20 pre-amp and then it
suddenly makes it so each of my inserts = suddenly has=20 multiple inserts per
side with individual volume = controls?

My APHEX=20 207 has an insert for right and one for left...

I want to = multiply the=20 inserts to make it work so that right has lets say...
8 separate = inserts=20 ... and the left has lets say 8 separate inserts...

If such a = device=20 does not exist ... are there companies that would do such
custom=20 work?

Regards,
Gregory = Bruce=20 Campbell
www.9andZen.com
www.BEEbasses.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3161B.88B27270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 15:19:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49JITl03197; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:18:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:18:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c3165f$e635de20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000101c31653$b97cb400$0100a8c0@p4> Subject: Re: echoplex problem - CARNAGE Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:19:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [141.149.172.7] at Fri, 9 May 2003 14:17:35 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol -- Please, not CARNAGE from an EDP! I thought EDP carnage would be a guitar, a ZVEX Fuzz Probe and ZVEX Fuzz Factory driving four EDP's each running into it's own Marshall Stack. Now, THAT'S carnage! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ewen" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: RE: echoplex problem > PS, don't replace the fuse with a higher value or you run the risk of > complete carnage :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Cook [mailto:markwaynecook@yahoo.com] > Sent: 09 May 2003 13:52 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: echoplex problem > > > Hi, > > The fuse in my echoplex recently blew. After a couple of days the new > fuse blew. Does anyone know what the problem might be? > > Thanks. > Mark > http://www.99namesofgod.com > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 15:30:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49JTjm04467; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:29:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:29:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:00:44 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: echoplex problem - CARNAGE In-Reply-To: <000e01c3165f$e635de20$0affff0a@hppav> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 9 May 2003, David wrote: > lol -- Please, not CARNAGE from an EDP! If I may, I believe Andy was warning of the possibility of "carnage *of* an EDP", not "carnage *from* an EDP". :) > I thought EDP carnage would be a guitar, a ZVEX Fuzz Probe and ZVEX Fuzz > Factory driving four EDP's each running into it's own Marshall Stack. > Now, THAT'S carnage! Don't forget the Z-Vex Woolly Mammoth-processed bass. Doesn't have to be bass guitar, either - I was working with a tuba player last year and processing the mic'd tuba through a Z-Vex Woolly Mammoth &Moog Music (formerly Big Briar) Moogerfooger Delay, then looping it with the Repeater. best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Ewen" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:52 PM > Subject: RE: echoplex problem > > > PS, don't replace the fuse with a higher value or you run the risk of > > complete carnage :) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Cook [mailto:markwaynecook@yahoo.com] > > Sent: 09 May 2003 13:52 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: echoplex problem > > > > Hi, > > > > The fuse in my echoplex recently blew. After a couple of days the new > > fuse blew. Does anyone know what the problem might be? > > > > Thanks. > > Mark > > http://www.99namesofgod.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 15:41:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49JeXw06264; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:40:02 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers Delight Subject: Bob Sellon's Jamman upgrade Message-ID: <236858204.1052484002@[192.168.1.174]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <7CY5q.A.LhB.SQAv-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been trying to reach Bob Sellon for a couple of days through email and have been unsuccessful. Anyone know if he is still selling the upgrade? Is there a better way to reach him than the email listed on the Stec Records website? Thanks, Bob Amstadt bob@amstadt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 15:46:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49JjMQ06792; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030509122651.04773aa8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:45:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP unrounded multiply In-Reply-To: <20030509161231.73757.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:12 AM 5/9/2003, Louie Angulo wrote: >Is it possible to do unrounded multiply with two taps? >is quite tricky with the SusUnrounded multiply >function. don't use SUS. Just tap the normal Multiply to start, then end it with a tap of Record. The same works with Insert. Anytime you end them with a tap of Record it is unrounded, meaning the loop length is redefined to exactly that point. >also when i press multiply with quantize off,roundmode >off,switchquant off,leaving the foot on sustaining the >button the loop plays through once and then there is >silence.Is it overtaking the replace function? What >would be the musical use here? Long press on Multiply does the Substitute function. It is just another way to have Substitute available if you don't want to set it with the InsertMode or use MIDI. Substitute is a type of replace. While the replace is happening you still hear the current audio in the loop, so you have something to play along to. Then on the next pass the old audio is gone and only the new replace audio is left. With the normal Replace function you do not hear the old audio as you do the replace. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 16:00:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49Jxes09572; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:59:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:59:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c31665$0c797420$81e45cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #320 for May 8, 2003 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:55:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C31643.78710AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C31643.78710AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #320 May 8, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Sombient Drone = Series, a trilogy of releases that codify the definition of dark ambient. The = Featured CD at Midnight was "Environmental," disk two of "A Storm of Drones" from = the Sombient Drone Series on the Sombient label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "The Planets" by Tomita on RCA Read = Seal. I played the music of Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company who = will be at the next Gathering on May 10 in Philadelphia. Sombient Drone Series - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#may The Gathering - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Tomita Mercury The Planets (RCA Red = Seal) Robert Rich Antalieh Temple of the Invisible (Soundscape = Productions) VA [Robert Rich] The Simorgh Sleeps on The Throne of Drones Velvet Tongues (Sombient) Mother Mallard's Cloudscapes for Peggy 1970-1973 (Cuneiform) Portable Masterpiece Co. FutureMusicCorp Lift-off, We Have Lost in the Stars = (none) Lift-off Terminal Sound System Whine RH-8SB (Relapse) Kurt Anderson Pangaea Pangaea (none) 12:00 am VA [Michael Stearns] Reky Into Dark Territory Environmental = (Sombient) VA [Steve Roach] Merciful Eyes Environmental = (Sombient) VA [Alan Lamb] Primal Image Environmental = (Sombient) VA [Darren Copeland] Maritime Vision Environmental = (Sombient) VA [Stuart Dempster] Morning Light Environmental = (Sombient) VA [Fred Syzmanski] It Is Hard To Know Environmental = (Sombient) VA [Ellen Fullman] Change of Direction Environmental = (Sombient) VA [Darren Copeland] Reaching for Tomorrow Environmental = (Sombient) VA [Maggi Payne] Moire Environmental = (Sombient) VA [Aloof Proof] The Last Leaf * Environmental = (Sombient) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Sombient = Drone Trilogy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Immersion," the third = disk from "A Storm of Drones" on the Sombient label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Poland" by Tangerine Dream on the = Jive Electro Label. I will also play the music of one of the artists who will be performing = at the Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June = 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C31643.78710AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
           &n= bsp;      =20 Show=20 #320           &nb= sp;     =20 May 8, 2003
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the = Sombient=20 Drone Series, a
trilogy of releases that codify the definition of = dark=20 ambient.  The Featured
CD at Midnight was "Environmental," disk = two of=20 "A Storm of Drones" from the
Sombient Drone Series on the Sombient=20 label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "The Planets" by Tomita on RCA = Read=20 Seal.
 
I played the music of Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company = who=20 will be
at the next Gathering on May 10 in Philadelphia.
 
Sombient Drone Series - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#may
=
The Gathering - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
Tomita          &= nbsp;      =20 Mercury           =       =20 The Planets (RCA Red Seal)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Antalieh           = ;     =20 Temple of the=20 Invisible
          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 (Soundscape Productions)
VA [Robert=20 Rich]        The Simorgh Sleeps=20 on    The Throne of=20 Drones
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Velvet = Tongues          =20 (Sombient)
Mother Mallard's        = Cloudscapes for Peggy    1970-1973 = (Cuneiform)
Portable=20 Masterpiece=20 Co.
FutureMusicCorp         = Lift-off,=20 We Have        Lost in the Stars=20 (none)
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Lift-off
Terminal Sound System  =20 Whine           &n= bsp;       =20 RH-8SB (Relapse)
Kurt=20 Anderson          =20 Pangaea           =       =20 Pangaea (none)
 
12:00 am
VA [Michael Stearns]    Reky Into Dark = Territory=20 Environmental (Sombient)
VA [Steve=20 Roach]        Merciful=20 Eyes           =20 Environmental (Sombient)
VA [Alan=20 Lamb]          Primal=20 Image           &n= bsp;=20 Environmental (Sombient)
VA [Darren Copeland]    = Maritime=20 Vision          = Environmental=20 (Sombient)
VA [Stuart Dempster]    Morning=20 Light           =20 Environmental (Sombient)
VA [Fred Syzmanski]     = It Is=20 Hard To Know       Environmental = (Sombient)
VA=20 [Ellen Fullman]      Change of=20 Direction      Environmental (Sombient)
VA = [Darren=20 Copeland]    Reaching for Tomorrow   =20 Environmental (Sombient)
VA [Maggi=20 Payne]       =20 Moire           &n= bsp;       =20 Environmental (Sombient)
VA [Aloof=20 Proof]        The Last Leaf=20 *          Environmental=20 (Sombient)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 the Sombient Drone
Trilogy.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be = "Immersion," the third disk from
"A Storm of Drones" on the Sombient=20 label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Poland" by Tangerine Dream = on the=20 Jive
Electro Label.
 
I will also play the music of one of the artists who will be = performing at=20 the
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C31643.78710AC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 16:32:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49KVJm13322; Fri, 9 May 2003 16:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 01:27:50 -0700 From: Larry Stites Subject: Roland MC505 909 or similar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Resent-Message-ID: <5QkrcD.A.UPD.5_Av-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thinking of buying one of these tools - someone who has experience with either please let me know what you like/dislike. And if anyone has recommendations for other similar tools please let me know. Regards, Larry E. Stites Nevada City, CA 95959 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 16:59:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49KwQ017042; Fri, 9 May 2003 16:58:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:58:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Roland MC505 909 or similar Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:57:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2003 20:57:41.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[A18D8A80:01C3166D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For the best sounds and features, the Emu xl-7/mp-7 with the latest OS rules. It's also one of the cheapest of the lot - on sale for $499 at 'the fiend'. It's the only one of these boxes that can give you live loop recording, with 'clear track' and 'revert to saved' on the fly. Also, you can mix tracks from different patterns, and add ROM modules to expand it's sounds. The RM1x has nice midi features, but a poorer sound quality. Depending on what you are doing, the RM1x is pretty much equal but different in terms of the midi notes that come out - to drive other gear. However, the sound set isn't even close. The RS7000 is the same as the RM1x, but with sampling, but it doesn't do it very well. You are better off getting a XX-7 and used sampler - cheaper, better sound and more versatile. I don't like the Roland stuff at all. I've played with the 505, 303 and fooled around with the 909 at a store. Not for me - very plastic tone. bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Stites" To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:27 AM Subject: Roland MC505 909 or similar > Thinking of buying one of these tools - someone who has experience with > either please let me know what you like/dislike. And if anyone has > recommendations for other similar tools please let me know. > > > Regards, > > > Larry E. Stites > Nevada City, CA 95959 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 17:12:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49LC3419678; Fri, 9 May 2003 17:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:12:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 17:10:32 -0400 From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com Subject: Re: Roland MC505 909 or similar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3EBC1948.6638DDDA@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: <5UNtPD.A.pyE.GmBv-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thinking of buying one of these tools - someone who has experience with > either please let me know what you like/dislike. And if anyone has > recommendations for other similar tools please let me know. I use an MC505 and must up front say I do NOT do classic techno. IMO it is a very versatile box that has a lot of realtime control for warping sounds and creating experimental noises and rhythms. Given the absurdly low used prices on an MC505 I would *highly* recommend buying this over a new MC909. I saw a MC505 for $250 this week and often see them for less that $500 - that is just sick given they were $1100 new only a few years ago. I expect the same thing will happen to the MC909 in a few years and for the difference you can get a MC505 and a good sampler right now. For varying opinions of the 505 read the reviews on Harmony Central: http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/MC-505-01.html Here is a posting I did on Analog Heaven a few years ago after I first used the 505 a bit. This touches on it's more practical capabilities outside of the obvious techno boom boom boom stuff: ------------------------------ It's very tempting to use the presets. VERY. I'm not a techno producer let alone anyone who knows Gabber from Jungle from Darkstep, etc. The presets are plentiful and instantly fun. I can waste an hour playing with them each time I turn it on so it takes some self control to "get down to business" instead. Sometimes I don't bother. This reminds me a *lot* of how I used to use my Linn 9000. It has a very practical mixer which can work volume, panning, keytrack (pitch shifting), effects, etc etc. Without using anything fancy I can lay down a decent sampled drum pattern on a number of kits and then pitch shift and do some live digital delay tweaking that really makes my avant ears pick up. No techno within a mile and yet it's all 100% inside this box. You have 7 "sound" parts and a full drum kit with separate muting on the various bits (BD, SR, Toms, HHat, etc). You can also assign individual drumsounds to parts 1-7 and have an individually processed drum kit with sliders for vol, pitch, effect, etc. this is a sample based beatbox that has more going for it than any other drum machine I've used. (I'm in fear for my R8 mkII I just got last month after one night with this). The filter, envelope, LFO, etc are all fine. They process the sound along with the reverb and delay and other effects. All these are very tweakable and programmable in mutating song mode. No, it's not a Phat minimoog filter. No, it's not an analogue LFO. But it's interesting in and of itself and if you don't compare it to something it's not then it serves a very useful purpose. I'm glad those elements are in there. FWIW the filter sounds a *lot* better than the one in the MC303 to my ignorant ears. It's got programming depth as well as simplicity. I haven't looked at the manual yet but I've figured out realtime writing, mixing, processing and such. This is what I want from a box. I don't like confusion I like simplicity. Now, as I go further into it I'll take a few more challenges but this does a lot of interesting things that I used to do with my ASR10 and Mirage. The sounds are so varied (unedited) I can pretty much get anything I want. farfisa organs, grand pianos, flutes, special effects, noise, etc mix with backwards percussion, X0X, and more. If you mess with it in edit mode (love that keytrack!) I can make unusual and on the fly patterns and detuned and processed noise from hell. It can also be pretty or melodic if I want. I wish I had this back in my industrial/blues days... The D_Beam is kind of silly but fun. What the hell, it's on there so it's cool to play with. I haven't assigned anything to it yet but I imagine doing something other than BPM and cutoff will prove to make this a useful addition. It ain't a 303/909/808. - Thank God. It ain't that analog sounding. - So what. It excells in industrial and digital noise. I did a John Cage inspired piano based rhythm track with a destroyed 800 loop, mutating pad and piano sample. I was about to buy my old MC202 back. I'm glad I found this instead as it has a lot more flexibilty and is more challenging for me. I'm not sure how it will fit in with what I'm doing these days but I am enjoying learning how it works. It is a far cry from the MC303. A *lot* more useful and practical for various genres of music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 17:28:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49LQlU21179; Fri, 9 May 2003 17:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030509212610.18665.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: jamman upgrade? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- max valentino wrote: > Yes there is also a smaple playback via MIDI function (which is tunable) and > a mellotron mode, much like the Repeater. I'm a repeater user, but I'm not familiar with this mode. What's it all about? Does the repeater manual call it something else? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 17:54:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49Lrj824242; Fri, 9 May 2003 17:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20030509212610.18665.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: jamman upgrade? Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:53:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2003 21:53:07.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[60551800:01C31675] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Feed it midi from a keyboard, that's the trick. It's very cool. bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: Re: jamman upgrade? > --- max valentino wrote: > > > Yes there is also a smaple playback via MIDI function (which is tunable) and > > a mellotron mode, much like the Repeater. > > I'm a repeater user, but I'm not familiar with this mode. What's it all about? > Does the repeater manual call it something else? > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 18:34:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49MWOe29883; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:32:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.86f8794.2bed864a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:31:38 EDT Subject: Way OT: AKASH breaks up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ea.86f8794.2bed864a_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6013 Resent-Message-ID: <1z3UrB.A.xRH.RxCv-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ea.86f8794.2bed864a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AKASH PRESS RELEASE: 05.09.03: 3:45pm EST The band AKASH is now dead while it has no doubt lived a complete and very rich life. 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 --part1_1ea.86f8794.2bed864a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 18:46:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49MiKm31706; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:44:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:44:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Disposition-Notification-To: "Zola, Joanne" Subject: RE: Roland MC505 909 or similar Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:00:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Roland MC505 909 or similar Thread-Index: AcMWaieJCVQOZ7gGT5iW9ZhZatnL1wADCb2w From: "Zola, Joanne" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2003 22:00:20.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[62020F40:01C31676] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h49MhqB31380 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com June issue of Remix will have in-depth prodcut review. hits streets 5/20 -----Original Message----- From: Larry Stites [mailto:lstites@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland MC505 909 or similar Thinking of buying one of these tools - someone who has experience with either please let me know what you like/dislike. And if anyone has recommendations for other similar tools please let me know. Regards, Larry E. Stites Nevada City, CA 95959 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 19:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49NhEG08195; Fri, 9 May 2003 19:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:43:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "cameron street" To: Subject: Guinness World Record Looping Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:45:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Had a laugh with some friends after my foot slipped on my Headrush. I stood on both buttons in the dark, it was a split second loop, then it fed on it self like a analog delay feeding back. quite funny at the time. some one said, hey that could be the shortest loop ever in the world! As in 'Ralph Malph's' worlds lowest jump. I wonder what the shortest and longest loops are in the universe, and do the authorities know about it. hey an Australian's done the shortest loop the world! I bet an american will try and do the biggest. heheheheh. sorry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 20:34:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4A0Xpx13371; Fri, 9 May 2003 20:33:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:33:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c3168b$9f3c4be0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <1052435253.2816.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: Making your own cables... Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:32:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com indeed! georgel, also mogami (sp?) and canari (sp?) cables are sweet for making your own. just add your favorite neutrix (sp?) or switchcraft ends and there you go. cheaper this way also more dependable if you're a good solderer. all 3 cables come in many sizes too. george l is solderless which is nice too. i've had a george l in tact for sometime without having to rethread the jack. very sweet. it will indeed make mucho difference in your overall sound. folks hire me a few times a year to redo their entire racks with the goods. they are always very pleased with their enhanced sonic quality after we are done. 3 cents worth jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Stagner To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Making your own cables... > On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 16:08, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any resources for making your own cables? > > > > I'm in the process of rebuilding my rack, and would like to do a good job for once. Also, I have a number of specific items I need to create (such as y-cables for mixing two signals - with resistors inline) and making cables seems like a good place to start. > > George L cables are awesome for regular use, but you can't use them for > splitters and stuff. When i switched to George L cables, i no longer > needed a clean buffer pedal to drive all my effects anymore. One of the > best sound investments i've made. > > -dave > > "Who provides the profits - these nice little profits of 20, 100, 300, > 1,500 and 1,800 per cent? We all pay them - in taxation... > > But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill." > > --Major General Smedley Butler, "War Is a Racket" > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 20:42:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4A0fUK14021; Fri, 9 May 2003 20:41:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:41:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c3168c$d32adce0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Guinness World Record Looping Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:40:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, as we learned from Kim and/or Matthias about the EDP, it shouldn't be able to make a loop shorter than 1.5ms, because that's the length of time it takes the software loop to cycle. Still, good luck hitting the Record button twice in 1.5ms. Maybe in SUS Record mode... Crank the sample rate up on your sound card, record a sample at 96kHz, open it in Sound Forge, select a single sample frame, and turn on the loop playback. One 96,000th of a second. Of course, you didn't capture it live, so maybe that's cheating. Do you think from one President Bush to the next is a loop? Will there be more of these in the future? Someone Inserted a cycle of Reagan after Carter... Bah, I don't know. I'm too young. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "cameron street" To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: Guinness World Record Looping > Had a laugh with some friends after my foot slipped on my Headrush. > I stood on both buttons in the dark, it was a split second loop, > then it fed on it self like a analog delay feeding back. quite funny > at the time. some one said, hey that could be the shortest loop ever in the > world! > As in 'Ralph Malph's' worlds lowest jump. > I wonder what the shortest and longest loops are in the universe, and do > the > authorities know about it. hey an Australian's done the shortest loop the > world! > I bet an american will try and do the biggest. heheheheh. sorry > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 22:18:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4A2GnE24410; Fri, 9 May 2003 22:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 22:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030509190524.04c73f40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 19:17:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Guinness World Record Looping In-Reply-To: <000f01c3168c$d32adce0$bf08fc0c@amd> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-W7_.A.h8F.yDGv-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:40 PM 5/9/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Well, as we learned from Kim and/or Matthias about the EDP, it shouldn't be >able to make a loop shorter than 1.5ms, because that's the length of time it >takes the software loop to cycle. Still, good luck hitting the Record >button twice in 1.5ms. Maybe in SUS Record mode... yes, exactly. With SUS Record it is quite easy to get micro loops less than 10ms long. Rather than holding the button down, just tap it. The loop will be as long as the contacts in the switch touch each other, which is not very long. You get loops short enough that the loop repeat rate is itself an audible frequency. From there you can multiply them out, insert, replace, overdub, etc. If you use the SUS modes of each of those fuctions, you can again drop in micro sized fragments of sound and get a lot of interesting glitchy loops out of it. (see Andre.) This is the granular loop idea that was expanded into a whole set of features in the LoopIV upgrade for the Echoplex. Another fun idea is to turn the feedback down, leave overdub on (or use delay mode), and play an audio source through the echoplex. Drums work well. Then tap the record to get micro-length delays for a comb-filter effect. Each time you re-tap record the delay length will be slightly different, giving a different pitch to the sound. Adjusting the feedback changes the decay of it. Its a lot of fun to manipulate this stuff live. Sorry Cameron, you didn't invent anything new, or set any records! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 00:41:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4A4eta05176; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:40:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:40:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601c316ae$91edb0a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:42:32 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This week is Part 2 of our series titled RADiO iN AMBiENCE featuring experimental artists making extensive use of radio as a live ambient sound source, including live radio broadcasts of Greg Clow's "Feedback Monitor" on CIUT 89.5-FM. (Tune in Tuesday @ 10-12pm ET if you can't make it out to the show or on the internet at http://www.ciut.fm/ ) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tuesday May 13th - RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 This is a special presentation for the Deep Wireless "celebration of Radio Art" in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art taking place throughout May. http://www.deepwireless.ca Toronto radio legend David Pritchard, host of the infamously eclectic Late Night show on CHUM-FM in the late 60s/early 70s, the first manager/program director for CFNY-FM when it exploded from 200 to 100,000 watts in the 70s, and creator of "Nocturnal Eathworm Stew" (Island), opens the night with prepared short-wave manipulations and excerpts of his previous radio-centric works like "An Admission Of Guilt". Joining him will be multi- instrumentalist Byron Wong (King Brand Vallium, My Brilliant Beast) and electronic soundscape artist Scott M2 (dreamSTATE, earotica) on radios, treatments and looping devices. In the second set, electronic duo Self-Service (Jakob Thiesen & Rebecca McLellan) will tune in to the airwaves to pillage & resample Greg Clow's Feedback Monitor radio show (which will be including sections of the previous week's Planet Of The Loops' Deep Wireless performance looping Feedback Monitor on May 6th) to bring RADiO iN AMBiENCE full circle in a week-long self-consuming loop. Self-Service plan a fresh mix of electronic music where sources both familiar and obscure coexist with their own pulsing consonant tones. (BTW, There's a new Self-Service 3" CD available through http://www.pieheadrecords.com ) Scott M2 - http://www.dreamstate.to/about_dreamstate.htm Jakob Thiesen - http://www.theambientping.com/thiesen/home.html Greg Clow / Feedback Monitor - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com Between Sets CD "Subterranean Collective disc 2" by vidnaObmana Dark, drifting synth chords float over tribal rhythms on this double CD from Belgian sound artist vidnaObmana, who has remastered and resequenced tracks from 3 albums originally recorded 1992-94. This collection also features contributions from Djen Ajakan Shean, Steve Roach, Robert Rich & Alio Die. (PROJECKT - 2001) http://www.vidnaobmana.be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday May 20th - Erik Wollo http://www.wollo.com Between Sets CD - "Swarm Of Drones - disc 2" by V/A (1995) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Phoenix" by Spacenoiz Tribal rhythms float throughout, a wave of feedback passes by, noises fade in and out like some distant alien radio. This is the sound of Spacenoiz. The latest project by Jim Field, (of Rhea's Obsession & still coiled) Spacenoiz continues the exploration of styles and sounds that have characterized his earlier work. With a keen ear for the synthesis of tones and an attention to the spaces that surround the notes, Jim has created a focussed work, possessed of a variety of constantly shifting shapes and textures. A journey to the stars and back. Essential. "Phoenix" is available now through http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to be updated on all the latest releases on sale at PiNG THiNGS. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 05:41:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4A9eK204137; Sat, 10 May 2003 05:40:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 05:40:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:39:37 +0200 Subject: Re: Guinness World Record Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030509190524.04c73f40@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <50A9B562-82CB-11D7-848D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 04:17 am, Kim Flint wrote: > yes, exactly. With SUS Record it is quite easy to get micro loops less > than 10ms long. I've just tried it with an echo pro using the Behringer 1010, and my god, this is a micro loop. I programmed one patch to send out the new loop command (PC#102) and overdub command (PC#104) immediately afterwards, and the delay/loop is hardly noticable - just a slight metalic consistency to the sound... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 07:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4AB7SJ11360; Sat, 10 May 2003 07:07:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:07:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c316e4$0b0e58b0$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030509190524.04c73f40@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Guinness World Record Looping Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:05:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In delay mode and sus with some advanced midi controler (peavey PC1600x or digitech pmc 10) you can enter back to back note on / note off that give the smallest edp loop midi can give the you can increase the loop time by inserting null midi bytes (00) between note on note off all hex: 90 26 7f , 90 26 00 note on note off the smallest possible 90 26 7f 00 90 26 00 one 00 byte spacer 90 26 7f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 90 26 00 a loonger loop with more spacers I call that resonator mode Claude > At 05:40 PM 5/9/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >Well, as we learned from Kim and/or Matthias about the EDP, it shouldn't be > >able to make a loop shorter than 1.5ms, because that's the length of time it > >takes the software loop to cycle. Still, good luck hitting the Record > >button twice in 1.5ms. Maybe in SUS Record mode... > > yes, exactly. With SUS Record it is quite easy to get micro loops less than > 10ms long. Rather than holding the button down, just tap it. The loop will > be as long as the contacts in the switch touch each other, which is not > very long. You get loops short enough that the loop repeat rate is itself > an audible frequency. From there you can multiply them out, insert, > replace, overdub, etc. If you use the SUS modes of each of those fuctions, > you can again drop in micro sized fragments of sound and get a lot of > interesting glitchy loops out of it. (see Andre.) This is the granular loop > idea that was expanded into a whole set of features in the LoopIV upgrade > for the Echoplex. > > Another fun idea is to turn the feedback down, leave overdub on (or use > delay mode), and play an audio source through the echoplex. Drums work > well. Then tap the record to get micro-length delays for a comb-filter > effect. Each time you re-tap record the delay length will be slightly > different, giving a different pitch to the sound. Adjusting the feedback > changes the decay of it. Its a lot of fun to manipulate this stuff live. > > Sorry Cameron, you didn't invent anything new, or set any records! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 09:58:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ADwIO25762; Sat, 10 May 2003 09:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:58:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EBD0827.6C633A34@erols.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:09:43 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: delay feedback problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, At my past two gigs this week I tried to run some effects and loop my voice. I was having a severe problem with feedback. Let me explain my set up; Behringer MX802A mixer, vocal in channel 1, acoustic guitar channel 2, lap steel in channel 3, DL-4 in the aux send 1(pre-fader) being returned to channels 7 and 8. Boss HR-2 harmonist and Boss DD-5 in aux send 2 (post-fader) being returned to channel 5. When I applied the DD-5 to my voice I didn't have much of a problem with feedback, However, when I ran my voice through the DD-5 and then ran that into the DL-4, after a few overdubs I would experience some pretty wicked feedback. Now, If I ran my voice straight into the DL-4, sans DD-5, I had absolutely no problem with feedback. I wasn't using any monitors, and the speakers were up on stands considerably in front of the microphone. I have some idea of what the problem might have been. But if someone can explain what is happening and what are some possible solutions to the problem I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 10:36:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4AEYUX29500; Sat, 10 May 2003 10:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c31701$432748c0$bdf4e051@L6466.tjaw.com> Reply-To: "Peter Flink" From: "Peter Flink" To: Subject: Delite me from Loopers-Delight mailing list....Pleas... Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 16:34:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C31712.0680CB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C31712.0680CB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Delite me from Loopers-Delight mailing list....Pleas... ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C31712.0680CB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C31712.0680CB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 10:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4AEhnY30393; Sat, 10 May 2003 10:43:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:43:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1ea.86f8794.2bed864a@aol.com> References: <1ea.86f8794.2bed864a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:40:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Way OT: AKASH breaks up Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >AKASH PRESS RELEASE: >05.09.03: 3:45pm EST > >The band AKASH is now dead while it has no doubt lived a complete >and very rich life. > >Thanks to everyone for your very kind and inspirational support over >the years. > >Goodbye...and remember to always kill your expectations. Wot?! What happened?! I had the impression you were doing quite well! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 12:00:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4AFxZw07577; Sat, 10 May 2003 11:59:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:59:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:59:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Guinness World Record Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <50A9B562-82CB-11D7-848D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: <53AAC96A-8300-11D7-8A4E-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been doing similar things with a KAOSS pad for years now. Very cool thing is you can take a sample and change the loop point with the control pad. I don't know how short it goes, but it starts to generate its own tonality at some point. Because what you're doing isn't destructive to the loop you can take it back to your longer length. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 02:39 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > I've just tried it with an echo pro using the Behringer 1010, and my > god, this is a micro loop. > I programmed one patch to send out the new loop command (PC#102) and > overdub command (PC#104) immediately afterwards, and the delay/loop is > hardly noticable - just a slight metalic consistency to the sound... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 14:50:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4AIo5D25766; Sat, 10 May 2003 14:50:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:50:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EBD4B5B.522AE4CB@usa.net> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:56:46 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: multiplying inserts? References: <200305092000.h49K0dU09716@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looping9string@aol.com asks: "Is there a product that I could leave the inserts of my pre-amp and then it suddenly makes it so each of my inserts suddenly has multiple inserts per side with individual volume controls? My APHEX 207 has an insert for right and one for left... I want to multiply the inserts to make it work so that right has lets say... 8 separate inserts ... and the left has lets say 8 separate inserts... If such a device does not exist ... are there companies that would do such custom work?" Look into a Rane SM26 splitter mixer. Might just do the trick for you. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel • Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without • 888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality >>> Give a listen to my original music <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 19:18:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ANI1519773; Sat, 10 May 2003 19:18:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 19:18:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c3174a$a49bd280$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: Subject: Calling all gearheads -- Electro-Harmonix "WIND" Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 19:19:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C31729.1D1DDC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [151.199.60.155] at Sat, 10 May 2003 18:17:27 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <9sZxcC.A.S0E.OiYv-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C31729.1D1DDC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi -=20 I need some help from uncovering if: 1) I have a faulty memory, or=20 2) Electro-Harmonix once -- looong ago -- created a pedal called a = WIND. Layed out like a "Bad-Stone" with one knob, and a switch. A google search has found me nothing, so maybe my memory is faulty, or = maybe trumpet players don't archive their effects pedals on the web like = guitarists do... :-) =20 Did EH ever make a pedal called a WIND specifically for wind = instruments? like electric trumpet players? Thanks in advance. David ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C31729.1D1DDC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi -
 
I need some help from uncovering = if:
 
    1) I have a faulty = memory, or=20
    2) Electro-Harmonix = once --=20 looong ago -- created a pedal called a WIND.  Layed out like a = "Bad-Stone"=20 with one knob, and a switch.
 
A google search has found me nothing, = so maybe my=20 memory is faulty, or maybe trumpet players don't archive their effects = pedals on=20 the web like guitarists do... :-) 
 
Did EH ever make a pedal called a WIND = specifically=20 for wind instruments?  like electric trumpet players?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
David
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C31729.1D1DDC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 19:36:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ANa0821065; Sat, 10 May 2003 19:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 19:36:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030510233523.81607.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 16:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Delite me from Loopers-Delight mailing list....Pleas... To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <005201c31701$432748c0$bdf4e051@L6466.tjaw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Peter Flink wrote: > Delite me from Loopers-Delight mailing > list....Pleas... OK. But you have to buy us a drink first. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 20:15:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4B0EEb25433; Sat, 10 May 2003 20:14:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:14:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030511001346.60796.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:13:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Repeater tempo question To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a way to access the tempo edit function of the Repeater via midi? I don't want the audio to change, just the drum tempo sync'd to the Repeater. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 21:41:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4B1eNg32602; Sat, 10 May 2003 21:40:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 21:40:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 207.202.167.172 From: "astroblue" To: Cc: Subject: RE: digital camera for tour documentation Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:39:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c3175e$359381d0$6501a8c0@cobalt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure, I took this on Thursday at my son's track meet: http://www.nwlink.com/~rcc/blinkcam.jpg yeh, blurry crumby lo-res lo-fi. But worth every penny! -Bob p.s. this was saved as medium quality jpeg from Photoshop, probably lost a few details from the original. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digital camera for tour documentation Have you got any online we can see? THanks, Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "astroblue" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: Re: digital camera for tour documentation > > I've got a StyleCam Blink digicam I bought new for $50 , no flash > though. Great for website quality snapshots. > http://www.sipixdigital.com/cameras/styleblink/ > > I bought it from ThinkGeek. I see they don't sell it now but have something > even cheaper! new model of the Blink it seems. Only $40 now. > http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/cameras/5c79/ > > > -Bob > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 22:02:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4B21CT03055; Sat, 10 May 2003 22:01:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 22:01:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulzric@aol.com Message-ID: <106.2315138c.2bef08c1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 22:00:33 EDT Subject: DJ Rescue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I need a DJ driven rescue, or at least an audiophile's guidance. Recently bought a turntable--a belt drive Stanton STR8-20--simply to start capturing my albums to CD. Anyway, to make a long story short, the high, sibilant notes are killing the mix. What is wrong? I have a compressor set to lightly catch these enormous signals, but it's still not enough. On the turntable right now is Derek and the Dominoes, and every time EC Sings an S Sound, it's a blast of SSSSSSXXXXX times 10. I thought that by buying a $100.00 turntable, I'd be able to at least play my old albums. They are clean. No scratches, new needle. Here are my questions: should I have bothered buying a belt driven turntable to begin with? Is my needle bad? even if it's new? Do I need an Ebtech Switcher? Am I too used to CDs and have forgotten how SSSSy "S" SoundS are on albumS? BecauSe the extended jamS SanS vocalS Sound okay. I don't want to spend a fortune, and don't anticipate wanting to scratch like a DJ, so I wonder if I just need a new needle. Don't worry. This is loop related in a roundabout way. Thanks! Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 01:46:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4B5j6P23624; Sun, 11 May 2003 01:45:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 01:45:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030510235023.00a624c0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 23:50:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Eliminating a mid section of a loop -was- Re: multiple jam-things In-Reply-To: <20030508192202.16743.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6BAE8EBF-8184-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie, you can eliminate a middle section from a loop with the EDP, by using multiply. -or more accurately, sus unrounded multiply. If your loop consisted of an A B and C section like you mention, you can wait until B passes, and then engage sus unrounded multiply as C starts, and then disengage it after the A section goes by. Now, you've effectively eliminated the B section. Does this make sense? As someone else mentioned, windowing can do this too, but this way may be quicker and more precise I think. -HOpe this helps. Smiles, Cara At 12:22 PM 5/8/03 -0700, you wrote: >Mark you are absolutely right man! >I have both the EDP and repeater and sometimes i just >get too exhausted specially syncing them together.I >spend too much time on the technical side of things >and lately i am very unfocused on the music.I ve been >thinking of taking one of them out of my rack for a >couple of months just to build a better relationship >with one of them.In terms of creativity they are both >animals! >Another thing ive noticed is that i do most of my >looping uncounsciously within the first 10 seconds at >the most.I suppose certain limitations are healthy at >times as well... >My one wish from both loopers for example would be >that i could cut a middle part (from A,B,C cut B and >paste A and C together) sort of like Acid.Or is there >a way of accompishing this... >You loop gurus outhere? >Cheers >Louie > > > > > > > > > >--- mark wrote: >> I can't imagine using the word "sync" and "Line6 >> Echo Pro" in the same >> sentence... unless you're talking about it's delays, >> and even then I'd >> say it's not really syncing. However, this can be >> very cool too. A >> few weeks ago Will Wright and I jammed, he on the >> Echo Pro and I using >> a Repeater and we more or less just set the Echo >> Pro's loop size my >> ear. Since what will was doing was leaning toward >> the abstract it was >> interesting to have the sync of his loop constantly >> drifting from my >> loops which firmly follow the drummachine. That >> constantly changing >> relationship is nice. >> >> There are days I still miss my JamMan's "simple" >> operation (I had an >> early Bob Sallon chip mod that gave me some new >> functions, but I don't >> think I got things like the panning and multiple >> concurrent loops) It >> makes me want one again! What I love best about the >> JamMan that *no* >> other looper does? One step loop creation when >> synced to a MIDI clock. >> I choose the amount of beats it looks for and the >> start point and then >> I can just PLAY. Yeah, I know you can do something >> a little similar >> with the EDP, but I've tried that and it's *not* the >> same. My request >> for Loop5 would be to have a mode where you can set >> up your quantize >> and after hitting record automatically go into >> overdub after a >> specified number of beats. >> >> For a short time I did run an EDP and a Repeater at >> the same time, and >> I found it to be too much. Each unit does PLENTY in >> my opinion. I >> rarely ended up using them both together, but I >> would imagine like >> anything it would need lot's of practice. It always >> felt like I was >> that guy who spins plates on the Ed Sullivan show >> when I was using >> multiple loopers. Too hard to focus on the music, >> especially in a live >> context where things are more chaotic. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 08:12 AM, >> goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >> >> > stuart's post about syncing three line6 echopros >> reminded me that I >> > wanted to ask the list if anybody had tried doing >> much the same thing >> > with two or more jammans. my band has two, and two >> repeaters aswell. >> > > >===== >www.labalou.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 01:55:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4B5src24184; Sun, 11 May 2003 01:54:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 01:54:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030511000009.00a4f980@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:00:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: multiple jam-things In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030508150130.044a0e10@loopers-delight.com> References: <20030508192202.16743.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> <6BAE8EBF-8184-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, -guess I should have waited until I read more of this thread! lol! Smiles, Cara At 03:05 PM 5/8/03 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:22 PM 5/8/2003, Louie Angulo wrote: > >>My one wish from both loopers for example would be >>that i could cut a middle part (from A,B,C cut B and >>paste A and C together) sort of like Acid.Or is there >>a way of accompishing this... > >simple on the Echoplex: >press Multiply at the beginning of the C cycle. >end multiply at the end of A. >B will now by cut out, and the loop will be A C A C etc., all done in real >time. > >you could also do this as a loop copy into a second loop, so you can still >go back to Loop 1 with the A B C loop. > >kim > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 02:18:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4B6I0O26926; Sun, 11 May 2003 02:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 02:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030511002323.00a67cb0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:23:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Roland MC505 909 or similar In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry, I use an MC-505 extensively. What questions do you have in particular?... Smiles, Cara At 01:27 AM 5/10/03 -0700, you wrote: >Thinking of buying one of these tools - someone who has experience with >either please let me know what you like/dislike. And if anyone has >recommendations for other similar tools please let me know. > > >Regards, > > >Larry E. Stites >Nevada City, CA 95959 > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 02:23:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4B6KjO27139; Sun, 11 May 2003 02:20:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 02:20:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030511002616.007b7330@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:26:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Roland MC505 909 or similar In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Actually, just as an FYI, the MC-505 does do realtime midi looping, but it's the only one of the MCs that does, to my knowledge. Smiles, Cara At 01:57 PM 5/9/03 -0700, you wrote: > >For the best sounds and features, the Emu xl-7/mp-7 with the latest OS >rules. It's also one of the cheapest of the lot - on sale for $499 at 'the >fiend'. > >It's the only one of these boxes that can give you live loop recording, with >'clear track' and 'revert to saved' on the fly. Also, you can mix tracks >from different patterns, and add ROM modules to expand it's sounds. > >The RM1x has nice midi features, but a poorer sound quality. Depending on >what you are doing, the RM1x is pretty much equal but different in terms of >the midi notes that come out - to drive other gear. However, the sound set >isn't even close. > >The RS7000 is the same as the RM1x, but with sampling, but it doesn't do it >very well. You are better off getting a XX-7 and used sampler - cheaper, >better sound and more versatile. > >I don't like the Roland stuff at all. I've played with the 505, 303 and >fooled around with the 909 at a store. Not for me - very plastic tone. > >bIz >--------------------- >www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday >Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do >better with a cassette deck and a microphone." >--------------------- > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry Stites" >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:27 AM >Subject: Roland MC505 909 or similar > > >> Thinking of buying one of these tools - someone who has experience with >> either please let me know what you like/dislike. And if anyone has >> recommendations for other similar tools please let me know. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Larry E. Stites >> Nevada City, CA 95959 >> >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 02:50:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4B6oCt29418; Sun, 11 May 2003 02:50:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 02:50:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030511005538.00843590@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:55:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Eliminating a mid section of a loop -was- Re: multiple jam-things In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030510235023.00a624c0@pop.earthlink.net> References: <20030508192202.16743.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> <6BAE8EBF-8184-11D7-891A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -or, even more accurately, as Kim has mentioned, regular multiply ended with record as well. *laughing* fortunately I read further this time, before answering that next e-mail! lol! Smiles, Cara At 11:50 PM 5/10/03 -0600, you wrote: > Louie, you can eliminate a middle section from a loop with the EDP, by >using multiply. -or more accurately, sus unrounded multiply. > If your loop consisted of an A B and C section like you mention, you can >wait until B passes, and then engage sus unrounded multiply as C starts, >and then disengage it after the A section goes by. Now, you've >effectively eliminated the B section. Does this make sense? > As someone else mentioned, windowing can do this too, but this way may be >quicker and more precise I think. -HOpe this helps. > >Smiles, > >Cara > >At 12:22 PM 5/8/03 -0700, you wrote: >>Mark you are absolutely right man! >>I have both the EDP and repeater and sometimes i just >>get too exhausted specially syncing them together.I >>spend too much time on the technical side of things >>and lately i am very unfocused on the music.I ve been >>thinking of taking one of them out of my rack for a >>couple of months just to build a better relationship >>with one of them.In terms of creativity they are both >>animals! >>Another thing ive noticed is that i do most of my >>looping uncounsciously within the first 10 seconds at >>the most.I suppose certain limitations are healthy at >>times as well... >>My one wish from both loopers for example would be >>that i could cut a middle part (from A,B,C cut B and >>paste A and C together) sort of like Acid.Or is there >>a way of accompishing this... >>You loop gurus outhere? >>Cheers >>Louie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--- mark wrote: >>> I can't imagine using the word "sync" and "Line6 >>> Echo Pro" in the same >>> sentence... unless you're talking about it's delays, >>> and even then I'd >>> say it's not really syncing. However, this can be >>> very cool too. A >>> few weeks ago Will Wright and I jammed, he on the >>> Echo Pro and I using >>> a Repeater and we more or less just set the Echo >>> Pro's loop size my >>> ear. Since what will was doing was leaning toward >>> the abstract it was >>> interesting to have the sync of his loop constantly >>> drifting from my >>> loops which firmly follow the drummachine. That >>> constantly changing >>> relationship is nice. >>> >>> There are days I still miss my JamMan's "simple" >>> operation (I had an >>> early Bob Sallon chip mod that gave me some new >>> functions, but I don't >>> think I got things like the panning and multiple >>> concurrent loops) It >>> makes me want one again! What I love best about the >>> JamMan that *no* >>> other looper does? One step loop creation when >>> synced to a MIDI clock. >>> I choose the amount of beats it looks for and the >>> start point and then >>> I can just PLAY. Yeah, I know you can do something >>> a little similar >>> with the EDP, but I've tried that and it's *not* the >>> same. My request >>> for Loop5 would be to have a mode where you can set >>> up your quantize >>> and after hitting record automatically go into >>> overdub after a >>> specified number of beats. >>> >>> For a short time I did run an EDP and a Repeater at >>> the same time, and >>> I found it to be too much. Each unit does PLENTY in >>> my opinion. I >>> rarely ended up using them both together, but I >>> would imagine like >>> anything it would need lot's of practice. It always >>> felt like I was >>> that guy who spins plates on the Ed Sullivan show >>> when I was using >>> multiple loopers. Too hard to focus on the music, >>> especially in a live >>> context where things are more chaotic. >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 08:12 AM, >>> goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>> >>> > stuart's post about syncing three line6 echopros >>> reminded me that I >>> > wanted to ask the list if anybody had tried doing >>> much the same thing >>> > with two or more jammans. my band has two, and two >>> repeaters aswell. >>> >> >> >>===== >>www.labalou.com >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >>http://search.yahoo.com >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 04:13:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4B8COM05434; Sun, 11 May 2003 04:12:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 04:12:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Repeater tempo question Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 10:11:58 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000701c31794$fe5c3400$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030511001346.60796.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is there a way to access the tempo edit function of > the Repeater via midi? I don't want the audio to > change, just the drum tempo sync'd to the Repeater. > > John No. As I understand your post you are wishing for a feature similar to the EDP "8th/cycle". You want the audio loop in the repater to stay the same while midi clock sent out is changed to have a slaved midi device change tempo. I'm aftaid there's no such feature in the repeater. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival, May 16 to June 4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 06:38:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BAbwH19711; Sun, 11 May 2003 06:37:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 06:37:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030511103719.39492.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 03:37:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Eliminating a mid section of a loop -was- Re: multiple jam-things To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030511005538.00843590@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, and its so easy just tapping the record after multiply...ha,ha i love it! With the edp i have to stop thinking in terms of software:-) --- Goddess wrote: > -or, even more accurately, as Kim has > mentioned, regular > multiply ended with record as well. *laughing* > fortunately I read > further this time, before answering that next > e-mail! lol! > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 11:50 PM 5/10/03 -0600, you wrote: > > Louie, you can eliminate a middle section from a > loop with the EDP, by > >using multiply. -or more accurately, sus unrounded > multiply. > > If your loop consisted of an A B and C section > like you mention, you can > >wait until B passes, and then engage sus unrounded > multiply as C starts, > >and then disengage it after the A section goes by. > Now, you've > >effectively eliminated the B section. Does this > make sense? > > As someone else mentioned, windowing can do this > too, but this way may be > >quicker and more precise I think. -HOpe > this helps. > > > >Smiles, > > > >Cara > > > >At 12:22 PM 5/8/03 -0700, you wrote: > >>Mark you are absolutely right man! > >>I have both the EDP and repeater and sometimes i > just > >>get too exhausted specially syncing them > together.I > >>spend too much time on the technical side of > things > >>and lately i am very unfocused on the music.I ve > been > >>thinking of taking one of them out of my rack for > a > >>couple of months just to build a better > relationship > >>with one of them.In terms of creativity they are > both > >>animals! > >>Another thing ive noticed is that i do most of my > >>looping uncounsciously within the first 10 seconds > at > >>the most.I suppose certain limitations are healthy > at > >>times as well... > >>My one wish from both loopers for example would be > >>that i could cut a middle part (from A,B,C cut B > and > >>paste A and C together) sort of like Acid.Or is > there > >>a way of accompishing this... > >>You loop gurus outhere? > >>Cheers > >>Louie > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>--- mark wrote: > >>> I can't imagine using the word "sync" and "Line6 > >>> Echo Pro" in the same > >>> sentence... unless you're talking about it's > delays, > >>> and even then I'd > >>> say it's not really syncing. However, this can > be > >>> very cool too. A > >>> few weeks ago Will Wright and I jammed, he on > the > >>> Echo Pro and I using > >>> a Repeater and we more or less just set the Echo > >>> Pro's loop size my > >>> ear. Since what will was doing was leaning > toward > >>> the abstract it was > >>> interesting to have the sync of his loop > constantly > >>> drifting from my > >>> loops which firmly follow the drummachine. That > >>> constantly changing > >>> relationship is nice. > >>> > >>> There are days I still miss my JamMan's "simple" > >>> operation (I had an > >>> early Bob Sallon chip mod that gave me some new > >>> functions, but I don't > >>> think I got things like the panning and multiple > >>> concurrent loops) It > >>> makes me want one again! What I love best about > the > >>> JamMan that *no* > >>> other looper does? One step loop creation when > >>> synced to a MIDI clock. > >>> I choose the amount of beats it looks for and > the > >>> start point and then > >>> I can just PLAY. Yeah, I know you can do > something > >>> a little similar > >>> with the EDP, but I've tried that and it's *not* > the > >>> same. My request > >>> for Loop5 would be to have a mode where you can > set > >>> up your quantize > >>> and after hitting record automatically go into > >>> overdub after a > >>> specified number of beats. > >>> > >>> For a short time I did run an EDP and a Repeater > at > >>> the same time, and > >>> I found it to be too much. Each unit does > PLENTY in > >>> my opinion. I > >>> rarely ended up using them both together, but I > >>> would imagine like > >>> anything it would need lot's of practice. It > always > >>> felt like I was > >>> that guy who spins plates on the Ed Sullivan > show > >>> when I was using > >>> multiple loopers. Too hard to focus on the > music, > >>> especially in a live > >>> context where things are more chaotic. > >>> > >>> Mark Sottilaro > >>> > >>> On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 08:12 AM, > >>> goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>> > >>> > stuart's post about syncing three line6 > echopros > >>> reminded me that I > >>> > wanted to ask the list if anybody had tried > doing > >>> much the same thing > >>> > with two or more jammans. my band has two, and > two > >>> repeaters aswell. > >>> > >> > >> > >>===== > >>www.labalou.com > >> > >>__________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >>http://search.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > > > >--- > > > > "The only things I really think are important, > are love, and eachother. > >-Then, anything is possible..." > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are > love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > === message truncated === ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 10:58:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BEvZw08017; Sun, 11 May 2003 10:57:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 10:57:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: FW: Loop Copy/Multiply Question Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 09:57:00 -0500 Organization: ARTHUR LEE MUSIC Message-ID: <000001c317cd$938d4770$0202a8c0@ALMMOBILE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C317A3.AAB73F70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C317A3.AAB73F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Long time no focus loopheads. I'm in need of help..I think. Is there a way to copy say a 2 bar drum loop from loop 1 to loop 2 and go back to loop 1 and still use the multiply function? I want to be able to do a verse/chorus type of deal and I tried doing it today and when I got back to loop 1 and pressed multiply it would make this unhappy stuttering noise. My goal is to lay down a short drum groove and copy that to the next loop and then multiply loop 2 out with chord changes and then go back to loop 1 and multiply that out with different chords. Maybe someone knows an easier way to go about this. Any suggestions? Thanks, Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C317A3.AAB73F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Long time no focus loopheads.

I’m in need of help……I = think.

 

Is there a way to copy say a 2 bar drum loop from = loop 1 to loop 2 and go back to loop 1 and still use the multiply = function?

 

I want to be able to do a verse/chorus type of deal = and I tried doing it today and when I got back to loop 1 and pressed multiply = it would make this unhappy stuttering noise.

My goal is to lay down a short drum groove and copy = that to the next loop and then multiply loop 2 out with chord changes and then = go back to loop 1 and multiply that out with different chords.

 

Maybe someone knows an easier way to go about this. = Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

 

Arthur Lee

 

       = www.arthurleemusic.com

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C317A3.AAB73F70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 11:40:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BFdR113220; Sun, 11 May 2003 11:39:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 11:39:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <132.1f12ffd2.2befc88d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 11:38:53 EDT Subject: Re: DJ Rescue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <92A7TD.A.yND.X6mv-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/10/03 7:01:42 PM, Paulzric@aol.com writes: << Anyway, to make a long story short, the high, sibilant notes are killing the mix. What is wrong? I have a compressor set to lightly catch these enormous signals, >> Hi Are you sending the signal direct into a computer? How are you amplifying the signal? I don't know much about turntable interface but you might consider using a preamp that sends the signal output at (-10db). Audio Buddy by Midiman is a 2 channel preamp that does this. Some compressors have a switch that will allow a choice between (-10) and (+4) output. Choose (-10) if you are going direct into computer. A small eq box after the preamp, maybe a 3 channel strip (lo, mid, hi), would help also to adjust the hi end (8k to 20k). fwiw BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 13:24:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BHNaa29689; Sun, 11 May 2003 13:23:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:23:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 10:25:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Calling all gearheads -- Electro-Harmonix "WIND" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--795172722 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001301c3174a$a49bd280$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <9EFAB4FA-83D5-11D7-B7FF-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--795172722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi David- This is just a guess aided by very hazy memories, but EH had a range of=20= cheap "electronic percussion" boxes, Rolling Thunder, Crash Pad, etc. My=20= guess is Wind was a noise generator for simple- you guessed it- "wind"=20= effects. Conn and Maestro used to make specific boxes for wind and brass players,=20= usually based on dividers for square wave sub octaves. Any of these old=20= boxes would be a lot more fun nowadays with the real-time layering that=20= the Echoplex allows... best- Mark On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 04:19 PM, David wrote: > Hi - > =A0 > I need some help from uncovering if: > =A0 > =A0=A0=A0 1) I have a faulty memory, or > =A0=A0=A0 2) Electro-Harmonix once -- looong ago -- created a pedal = called a=20 > WIND.=A0 Layed out like a "Bad-Stone" with one knob, and a switch. > =A0 > A google search has found me nothing, so maybe my memory is faulty, or=20= > maybe trumpet players don't archive their effects pedals on the web=20 > like guitarists do... :-)=A0 > =A0 > Did EH ever make a pedal called a WIND specifically for wind=20 > instruments?=A0 like electric trumpet players? > =A0 > Thanks in advance. > =A0 > David > =A0 > =A0 --Apple-Mail-1--795172722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi David- This is just a guess aided by very hazy memories, but EH had a range of cheap "electronic percussion" boxes, Rolling Thunder, Crash Pad, etc. My guess is Wind was a noise generator for simple- you guessed it- "wind" effects. Conn and Maestro used to make specific boxes for wind and brass players, usually based on dividers for square wave sub octaves. Any of these old boxes would be a lot more fun nowadays with the real-time layering that the Echoplex allows... best- Mark On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 04:19 PM, David wrote: ArialHi = - =A0 ArialI need some help from uncovering if: =A0 Arial=A0=A0=A0 1) I have a faulty memory, or Arial=A0=A0=A0 2) Electro-Harmonix = once -- looong ago -- created a pedal called a WIND.=A0 Layed out like a "Bad-Stone" with one knob, and a switch. =A0 ArialA google search has found me nothing, so maybe my memory is faulty, or maybe trumpet players don't archive their effects pedals on the web like guitarists do... = :-)=A0 =A0 ArialDid EH ever make a pedal called a WIND specifically for wind instruments?=A0 like electric trumpet players? =A0 ArialThanks in = advance. =A0 ArialDavid =A0 =A0 = --Apple-Mail-1--795172722-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 13:38:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BHboC30591; Sun, 11 May 2003 13:37:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:37:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e701c317e3$9fb721e0$63f15cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <106.2315138c.2bef08c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: DJ Rescue Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:34:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1WZ3f.A.6cH.Spov-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > Recently bought a turntable--a belt drive Stanton STR8-20--simply to start > capturing my albums to CD. Anyway, to make a long story short, the high, sibilant > notes are killing the mix. What is wrong? I have a compressor set to lightly catch > these enormous signals, but it's still not enough. On the turntable right now is Derek > and the Dominoes, and every time EC Sings an S Sound, it's a blast of SSSSSSXXXXX > times 10. > > I thought that by buying a $100.00 turntable, I'd be able to at least play my old > albums. They are clean. No scratches, new needle. Are you feeding the phono cartridge to a phono preamp? I.e. is the RIAA curve being applied to your signal before going to your computer? Whay are you compressing at all? In order to make audio fit into vinyl grooves, a LOT of compression has already been applied. And compression can actually cause sibilance problems. Upgrade your phono cartridge. The one that came with your $100 turntable probably sucks. I've heard an LP sound fantastic with a $50 phono cartridge. The $1000 turntable supposedly made up the difference. I don't know if this was sales hype. I've never investigated this phenomenon. Ii was mid '80s and I was looking for my first CD player when this hi-fi sales dude tried to steer me to the $1000 turntable. Apply as many grains of salt to this particular suggestion as you feel are required. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 14:03:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BI2ri01631; Sun, 11 May 2003 14:02:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:02:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c317e7$7a1c11d0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <132.1f12ffd2.2befc88d@aol.com> Subject: Re: DJ Rescue (including an entertaining link)... Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 12:02:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1DcbyD.A.uY.zApv-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure about these "record" things, but my father told me once that the phono input on a receiver applies a special EQ to the input signal. You can't just run it into a normal jack, or it will sound all brittle and lack any low end. Probably doesn't help you. But... This space alien Linux guy was curious about all those flat round things laying around in the basement, too. Look what he did with them: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/ -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: Re: DJ Rescue > > In a message dated 5/10/03 7:01:42 PM, Paulzric@aol.com writes: > > << Anyway, to make a long story short, the high, > sibilant > notes are killing the mix. What is wrong? I have a compressor set to lightly > catch > these enormous signals, >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 14:18:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BIIM003057; Sun, 11 May 2003 14:18:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:18:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030511111447.00af3708@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 11:19:04 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: FW: Loop Copy/Multiply Question In-Reply-To: <000001c317cd$938d4770$0202a8c0@ALMMOBILE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:57 AM 5/11/2003, ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: >Is there a way to copy say a 2 bar drum loop from loop 1 to loop 2 and go >back to loop 1 and still use the multiply function? yeah, you just copy the loop to loop 2, then go back to loop 1 and press multiply. >I want to be able to do a verse/chorus type of deal and I tried doing it >today and when I got back to loop 1 and pressed multiply it would make >this unhappy stuttering noise. that doesn't make any sense. It sounds to me like you pressed something other than multiply. Maybe you used SUSmultiply from a midi command by mistake? Or you have the InsertMode parameter set to SUS for some reason? >My goal is to lay down a short drum groove and copy that to the next loop >and then multiply loop 2 out with chord changes and then go back to loop 1 >and multiply that out with different chords. that should be very straightforward. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 16:16:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BKG1Y20991; Sun, 11 May 2003 16:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 16:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030511201540.60721.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:15:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: effects for wind instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200305111738.h4BHcPr30729@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> I believe Chris Wood used one of the Maestro boxes with Traffic in the early 70's (on their second live album On The Road, there's bits where it sounds like he's using a wah wah pedal), and I believe Ian Underwood also used one with Zappa (I'm not sure if it's his solo or one of the others on the Uncle Meat version of King Kong, but one of them sounds like it has an octave divider on it). In the Van Der Graaf Generator boxset, David Jackson talks about using various effects on his saxes, including a King octave box that he wore on a belt pack that gave him one octave up, one octave down and/or two octaves in an combination with or without the original signal. And of course, you can use any effects pedal with an electric instrument of any kind, be it distortion (I once saw Mercury Rev's flute player Suzanne Thorpe using a Rat pedal), wah wah, or whatever. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 17:34:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BLWqu28267; Sun, 11 May 2003 17:32:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:32:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030511201540.60721.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030511201540.60721.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:31:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: effects for wind instruments Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >(I'm not sure if it's his solo or one of the >others on the Uncle Meat version of King Kong, >but one of them sounds like it has an octave >divider on it). I certainly know the solo you mean but I always thought that it was created by having two instruments (perhaps trumpet and baritone sax) play the same line in parallel octaves? This is just from my ears and memory so I'm very possible to be wrong. I do know however that Zappa notated out each note of many of those solos! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 17:41:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BLcYN28788; Sun, 11 May 2003 17:38:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:38:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c31805$481a6ba0$a43c5cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <132.1f12ffd2.2befc88d@aol.com> <002b01c317e7$7a1c11d0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: DJ Rescue (including an entertaining link)... Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:35:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" > Not sure about these "record" things, but my father told me once that the > phono input on a receiver applies a special EQ to the input signal. You > can't just run it into a normal jack, or it will sound all brittle and lack > any low end. Probably doesn't help you. But... That's called the RIAA curve. (There have been a few other EQ schemes over the years but this one applies to all LPs.) This is a specific curve applied to the signal from the master tape on its way to the cutting lathe. It (1) cuts the bass to keep the grooves from becoming too wide and deep (simplixtic answer) and (2) boosts the treble ranges to increase the signal-to-noise ration (S/N) where the musical energy is small. By applying the inverse curve to the signal coming from the phonograph cartridge, the bass is restored while the treble is cut back, taking with it all the groove noises (pops, clicks, scratches, diamond rubbing vinyl, etc.). Those of you born after the CD came to market might marvel at all the funny things people did to make sound fit into vinyl grooves. EQ, limiting, compression... None of which need to be done for soundwaves being digitally encoded into pits of a CD. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 18:05:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BM4lN31997; Sun, 11 May 2003 18:04:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:04:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015501c31809$0d405cc0$0664f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305111738.h4BHcPr30729@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: drum machines and noise generators Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 15:02:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Landman wrote: "This is just a guess aided by very hazy memories, but EH had a range of cheap "electronic percussion" boxes, Rolling Thunder, Crash Pad, etc. My guess is Wind was a noise generator for simple- you guessed it- "wind" effects." God, you just made me wax nostalgic with this mention. Those cheesy boxes were way out of my price range during the day and then when they became obsolete, i wasn't interested in them. Now that I have quite an impressive collection of ancient drum machines (including my piece de resistance, a 1953 Wurlizter side man, replet with a huge, beautiful 2' X 4' walnut cabinet, a tube amplifier with a 15" speaker that rattles the windows in my house when the bass drum is played-------oh yeah, and manual drum button playing abilities) these effects are..............LOL..........way out of my price range again now that they've become 'collectibles'. I remember that at one point Simmons put out a specialty electronic clap machine that allowed you to vary both the flamming of the claps (to simulate more people) and a pitch variable white noise generator to simulate hundreds of people clapping. I use to turn the clap volume off and then vary both the pitch AND the envelope of the noise to do simple dweeby noise rhythm pieces.............I loved that box..............got it for $100 (it went for $225) and thought I was the luckiest drummer alive............LOL Wow.........thanks for the memory jog. and, apropos of that...........go to my friend, Masao "Mickey" Tachibana's brilliant website: The Drum Computer Museum www.drummachine.com currently under revision. He has .wav and .aiff and real audio files of all of the sounds of most of the most famous (and many obscure) drum machines from history for free download...........My records are full of sounds that I got from this wonderful site. later, loopers who use drum machines. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 18:56:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BMu1V04387; Sun, 11 May 2003 18:56:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:56:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 15:55:29 -0700 Subject: Re: DJ Rescue (including an entertaining link)... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002001c31805$481a6ba0$a43c5cd1@billfox> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 02:35 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > Those of you born after the CD came to market might marvel at all the > funny things people did to make sound fit into vinyl grooves. EQ, > limiting, compression... None of which need to be done for soundwaves > being digitally encoded into pits of a CD. But often were anyway in the early days of digital mastering, resulting from some terrible sounding (Led Zep albums come to mind...) early CDs. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 20:58:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4C0vnT21504; Sun, 11 May 2003 20:57:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:57:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:04:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Repeater tempo question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can access tempo via midi using CC #9, assign it to an expression pedal and it will take you from 01-240 bpm's in 2 bpm increments over ther CC range of 0-127. You can also access tap tempo on CC # 68 or PC #12 (#13 for devices that recognize midi #00). Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 23:33:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4C3WPj07467; Sun, 11 May 2003 23:32:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:32:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030512033145.18613.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:31:45 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Repeater tempo question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "William R. Walker," wrote: > You can access tempo via midi using CC #9, assign it > to an expression pedal > and it will take you from 01-240 bpm's in 2 bpm > increments over ther CC > range of 0-127. You can also access tap tempo on CC > # 68 or PC #12 (#13 > for devices that recognize midi #00). Thanks, Bill. What I'm asking about is the tempo edit function that DOES NOT effect the audio. Press the SYNC button for 1 second, then turn the tempo knob. The loop will not stretch or contract, but a sync'd drum machine will change tempo. I was hoping for hands free access to this feature. I've tried using MIDI-OX to read what happens when this function is executed. A short press of the SYNC button sends a cc for TEMPO-LOCK OFF, while a long press of the SYNC button sends nothing. Pressing the SYNC button again (after a long press) sends a cc for TRACK-SELECT. I suppose what I want to do isn't possible, but I want to know for sure. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 23:36:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4C3Zj207740; Sun, 11 May 2003 23:35:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:35:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:35:16 -0700 Subject: Frisell From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just saw Bill Frisell in Oakland. This was my first time seeing him play and I was quite impressed. He seems to have abandoned his Klein for a Telecaster. On topic... He made a lot of use of loops in the show most visibly using an old Digitech pedal but also using a DL-4 to some extent. Reviving an age old debate on this list, I would classify his use of loops as more of an effect than an instrument or compositional tool. Their most prominent use in the show were as "funny sound" breaks. (Or at least that's how I figure most of the non-technical people in the audience probably identified them.) He does play them from the standpoint that a good chunk of his looping included playing with the knobs on the Digitech pedal, but they aren't an integral part of his main instrumental performance the way they are for say LaFosse or Fripp (to take a couple extremes) or Rick Walker for whom the funny sounds sometimes are the heart of the piece. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 23:54:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4C3rhX09466; Sun, 11 May 2003 23:53:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:53:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Repeater tempo question Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:48:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c31839$5d9d2c90$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030512033145.18613.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope, you can't toggle or 'press' the sync button via midi. You also can't copy a loop via midi, which is something I wish I could do ... ob la di. > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater tempo question > > > > --- "William R. Walker," wrote: > > You can access tempo via midi using CC #9, assign it > > to an expression pedal > > and it will take you from 01-240 bpm's in 2 bpm > > increments over ther CC > > range of 0-127. You can also access tap tempo on CC > > # 68 or PC #12 (#13 > > for devices that recognize midi #00). > > Thanks, Bill. What I'm asking about is the tempo edit > function that DOES NOT effect the audio. Press the > SYNC button for 1 second, then turn the tempo knob. > The loop will not stretch or contract, but a sync'd > drum machine will change tempo. I was hoping for > hands free access to this feature. > > I've tried using MIDI-OX to read what happens when > this function is executed. A short press of the SYNC > button sends a cc for TEMPO-LOCK OFF, while a long > press of the SYNC button sends nothing. Pressing the > SYNC button again (after a long press) sends a cc > for TRACK-SELECT. > > I suppose what I want to do isn't possible, but I > want to know for sure. > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 00:10:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4C49YW12899; Mon, 12 May 2003 00:09:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:09:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c3183c$824d1520$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <20030511201540.60721.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: effects for wind instruments Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:11:05 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <9Kmnr.A.XID.Z5xv-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > >(I'm not sure if it's his solo or one of the > >others on the Uncle Meat version of King Kong, > >but one of them sounds like it has an octave > >divider on it). > > I certainly know the solo you mean > but I always thought that it was created > by having two instruments (perhaps trumpet and > baritone sax) play the same line > in parallel octaves? I believe that solo is Bunk Gardner on sax and using an octave divider. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 00:58:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4C4v8h17794; Mon, 12 May 2003 00:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:56:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 11 May 2003 20:35:16 -0700, Mark Hamburg wrote: > pedal but also using a DL-4 to some extent. Reviving an age old debate on > this list, I would classify his use of loops as more of an effect than an > instrument or compositional tool. Their most prominent use in the show > were > as "funny sound" breaks. Yeah, he uses them more for ambience. However, it is still amazing how agile he has become at it. Those sounds just pop out of nowhere. the first time I heard him (Blues for LA) I had no idea what was going on. I thought he was using some sort of whammy bar, but it sounded so weird... -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 01:29:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4C5TGF22447; Mon, 12 May 2003 01:29:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 01:29:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030512052846.35802.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Repeater tempo question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001301c31839$5d9d2c90$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <290uO.A.IeF.TEzv-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Michael LaMeyer wrote: > Nope, you can't toggle or 'press' the sync button > via midi. You also can't > copy a loop via midi, which is something I wish I > could do ... ob la di. My guess is that the SYNC button is no more than a special high frequency doorbell to wake up the squirrel living in the box. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 11:04:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CF3Tr23638; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c31897$e008b060$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Frisell - Digitech PDS-8000 Echo Plus Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:05:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [129.44.189.137] at Mon, 12 May 2003 10:02:48 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Frissell is a phenomenally creative guitar player. And he's been integrating looping effects for a long time. I remember seeing him with Joey Barron at Johnny D's in Somerville, MA about 10 years ago. He was using a reverb and Digitech PDS-8000 Echo Plus as his only effects (Here's a picture of the PDS http://homepages.luc.edu/~tgeerdi/dslpedals.html). He mounts it in "arms reach" or on an amp, because a key feature of the PDS's analog delay is you can turn a knob that speeds up and slows down a delayed/looped segment in a way that also changes the pitch. Combined with his deft whammy-bar technique, it's a pleasure to hear what he does. With his somewhat "americana-jazz" band at the Montreal Jazz Fest July 2002, he was using the same pedal still. Along with the DL-4 mentioned below. God bless him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernesto schnack" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:56 AM Subject: Re: Frisell > On Sun, 11 May 2003 20:35:16 -0700, Mark Hamburg > wrote: > > pedal but also using a DL-4 to some extent. Reviving an age old debate on > > this list, I would classify his use of loops as more of an effect than an > > instrument or compositional tool. Their most prominent use in the show > > were > > as "funny sound" breaks. > > Yeah, he uses them more for ambience. However, it is still amazing how > agile he has become at it. Those sounds just pop out of nowhere. the first > time I heard him (Blues for LA) I had no idea what was going on. I thought > he was using some sort of whammy bar, but it sounded so weird... > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 11:24:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CFJlk25939; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:19:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:19:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:22:25 +0100 Subject: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030209181506.04aa5ce8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-2rnGD.A.PTG.Vt7v-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a post intended for Kim Flint. Hi Kim My name is Geoff Smith, you may have seen me on your Loopers-delight discussion list. I am just finishing my essay on Live-Looping and perhaps only now am I beginning to understand the world of Live-Looping and how it has developed. It has occured to me through the help of others (thankyou Andre) just how important your design work (and Matthius) has been in influencing the direction of Live-Looping. I therefore have a few questions I would like to ask you. I would be greatfull for any information that you give. Yours and Matthius's design work (I don't know who thought of which bits or whether everything u guys do is through discussion etc.) seems to have been influenced by DJ turntablism and modern dance music. It seems to me that you have been responsible for translating the influence of those forms of music into functions on the EDP to allow Live-Loopers to subject their playing to similar processes. I am talking about the insert functions and granular looping functions (and others!!!!!!) which I would describe as allowing the user carry out the live sequencing and manipulation of any audio input. This is perhaps most obvious in the loop IV software but the capability seems to have been their for a long time. So what I wanted to ask you was what lead to the creation of the more innvoative features of the EDP? Were there definite ideas that you had in your head about the musical implications of creating some of the functions and if so what were they. I am alluding to the functions that have broken the mould, and moved away from that traditionally associated with live-looping? How influenced were your design decisions by DJ turntabism and Modern Dance music? Do you see the EDP now as a live-sequencer? Do you feel their are many users who are making musical use of the new possibilities you have offered them? and if so who stands out and why? (I personally think of Andre LaFosse as one of the first people I have ever heard who essentially carries out the live sequencing of his instrument. In what areas do you think that EDP users have yet to catch up to your ideas for the creative use of the EDP? i.e. what functions have you invented which people maybe haven't realise the musical implications of yet? Thankyou again Totally digging you work And I'm just beginning to realize how much personal effort people like yourself have put into the EDP or loopers-delight etc. (as opposed to effort for financial gain) I now think of the EDP in the same value area as a new Moog synth i.e. if you have to ask why its more expensive than a mass produced product then you have just missed whats right infront of your eyes and ears. Thankyou Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 11:31:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CFTn827228; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:29:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:29:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:24:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c3189a$9d563a50$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not Kim but if you haven't looked here yet, you may find some helpful answers: http://www.loopers-delight.com/history/history.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP > > > This is a post intended for Kim Flint. > > Hi Kim > My name is Geoff Smith, you may have seen me on your Loopers-delight > discussion list. I am just finishing my essay on Live-Looping > and perhaps > only now am I beginning to understand the world of > Live-Looping and how it > has developed. > > It has occured to me through the help of others (thankyou > Andre) just how > important your design work (and Matthius) has been in influencing the > direction of Live-Looping. > I therefore have a few questions I would like to ask you. > I would be greatfull for any information that you give. > > Yours and Matthius's design work (I don't know who thought of > which bits or > whether everything u guys do is through discussion etc.) > seems to have been > influenced by DJ turntablism and modern dance music. It seems > to me that you > have been responsible for translating the influence of those > forms of music > into functions on the EDP to allow Live-Loopers to subject > their playing to > similar processes. I am talking about the insert functions > and granular > looping functions (and others!!!!!!) which I would describe > as allowing the > user carry out the live sequencing and manipulation of any > audio input. This > is perhaps most obvious in the loop IV software but the > capability seems to > have been their for a long time. > > > So what I wanted to ask you was what lead to the creation of the more > innvoative features of the EDP? > > Were there definite ideas that you had in your head about the musical > implications of creating some of the functions and if so what > were they. I > am alluding to the functions that have broken the mould, and > moved away from > that traditionally associated with live-looping? > > How influenced were your design decisions by DJ turntabism > and Modern Dance > music? > > Do you see the EDP now as a live-sequencer? > > Do you feel their are many users who are making musical use of the new > possibilities you have offered them? and if so who stands out > and why? (I > personally think of Andre LaFosse as one of the first people > I have ever > heard who essentially carries out the live sequencing of his > instrument. > > In what areas do you think that EDP users have yet to catch > up to your ideas > for the creative use of the EDP? i.e. what functions have you > invented which > people maybe haven't realise the musical implications of yet? > > Thankyou again > > Totally digging you work > And I'm just beginning to realize how much personal effort people like > yourself have put into the EDP or loopers-delight etc. (as > opposed to effort > for financial gain) > I now think of the EDP in the same value area as a new Moog > synth i.e. if > you have to ask why its more expensive than a mass produced > product then you > have just missed whats right infront of your eyes and ears. > Thankyou > Geoff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 11:40:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CFclt28997; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:38:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:38:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:33:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c3189b$d8b7af60$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also check this, a bit longer history I think: http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/Museng.htm And specifically: http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Smith [mailto:geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP > > > This is a post intended for Kim Flint. > > Hi Kim > My name is Geoff Smith, you may have seen me on your Loopers-delight > discussion list. I am just finishing my essay on Live-Looping > and perhaps > only now am I beginning to understand the world of > Live-Looping and how it > has developed. > > It has occured to me through the help of others (thankyou > Andre) just how > important your design work (and Matthius) has been in influencing the > direction of Live-Looping. > I therefore have a few questions I would like to ask you. > I would be greatfull for any information that you give. > > Yours and Matthius's design work (I don't know who thought of > which bits or > whether everything u guys do is through discussion etc.) > seems to have been > influenced by DJ turntablism and modern dance music. It seems > to me that you > have been responsible for translating the influence of those > forms of music > into functions on the EDP to allow Live-Loopers to subject > their playing to > similar processes. I am talking about the insert functions > and granular > looping functions (and others!!!!!!) which I would describe > as allowing the > user carry out the live sequencing and manipulation of any > audio input. This > is perhaps most obvious in the loop IV software but the > capability seems to > have been their for a long time. > > > So what I wanted to ask you was what lead to the creation of the more > innvoative features of the EDP? > > Were there definite ideas that you had in your head about the musical > implications of creating some of the functions and if so what > were they. I > am alluding to the functions that have broken the mould, and > moved away from > that traditionally associated with live-looping? > > How influenced were your design decisions by DJ turntabism > and Modern Dance > music? > > Do you see the EDP now as a live-sequencer? > > Do you feel their are many users who are making musical use of the new > possibilities you have offered them? and if so who stands out > and why? (I > personally think of Andre LaFosse as one of the first people > I have ever > heard who essentially carries out the live sequencing of his > instrument. > > In what areas do you think that EDP users have yet to catch > up to your ideas > for the creative use of the EDP? i.e. what functions have you > invented which > people maybe haven't realise the musical implications of yet? > > Thankyou again > > Totally digging you work > And I'm just beginning to realize how much personal effort people like > yourself have put into the EDP or loopers-delight etc. (as > opposed to effort > for financial gain) > I now think of the EDP in the same value area as a new Moog > synth i.e. if > you have to ask why its more expensive than a mass produced > product then you > have just missed whats right infront of your eyes and ears. > Thankyou > Geoff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 11:47:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CFjr930400; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:45:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:45:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:43:42 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: effects for wind instruments To: Scott M2 , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004b01c3189d$64749580$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001c01c3183c$824d1520$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To wax even more nostalgic and to look back at one of my earliest echo-based influences, "Flute Thing" by the Blues Project had some pretty wildly mutated tone AND extensive echo effects. Flute as pocket trumpet? No problemo! Baroque cannonic harmony? Easy as Echoplex! Listen for the "Live At Town Hall" and "Monteray Pop" versions to see why they were the fourth-highest paid act at Woodstock (if my trivia-sludge generator is functioning properly this morning). Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 11:53:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CFqXY31590; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:52:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:52:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c3189e$a8c29650$15a35e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: Subject: Re: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:53:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I certainly echo/loop kudos to Kim, Matthias and all for EDP (and all the great support on this list)! Here's perhaps a dumb question: What exactly is "live sequencing" (how does it differ from "looping?")? I know terminology is in evolution.... ||: David :|| > This is a post intended for Kim Flint. > > Hi Kim > My name is Geoff Smith, you may have seen me on your Loopers-delight > discussion list. I am just finishing my essay on Live-Looping and perhaps > only now am I beginning to understand the world of Live-Looping and how it > has developed. > (...) > > Do you see the EDP now as a live-sequencer? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 12:03:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CG2CE02299; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:02:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:02:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:00:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Frisell From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/11/03 9:56 PM, ernesto schnack at schnack@mailbolt.com wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2003 20:35:16 -0700, Mark Hamburg > wrote: >> pedal but also using a DL-4 to some extent. Reviving an age old debate on >> this list, I would classify his use of loops as more of an effect than an >> instrument or compositional tool. Their most prominent use in the show >> were >> as "funny sound" breaks. > > Yeah, he uses them more for ambience. However, it is still amazing how > agile he has become at it. Those sounds just pop out of nowhere. the first > time I heard him (Blues for LA) I had no idea what was going on. I thought > he was using some sort of whammy bar, but it sounded so weird... I'm not diminishing his work in this regard at all. He does manage to move seamlessly to tweaking a short loop. Despite the posts a few months back suggesting that Kim use the extended Oakland gig as an opportunity to sell Frisell on the Echoplex, however, I'd say that the EDP doesn't really fit his style. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 12:16:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CGEsP04307; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:14:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:14:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <006501c3189e$a8c29650$15a35e82@audiows> Subject: Re: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:13:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2003 16:13:59.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F28D6D0:01C318A1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Here's perhaps a dumb question: What exactly is "live sequencing" (how does > it differ from "looping?")? > Personally, I would consider 'live sequencing' to mean the creation of performance using pre-developed elements - sample loops, or prepared midi sequences. It's what most 'groove boxes' are used for. Live looping involves the sequencing of elements that are developed as part of the performance. bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- > I know terminology is in evolution.... > > ||: David :|| > > > This is a post intended for Kim Flint. > > > > Hi Kim > > My name is Geoff Smith, you may have seen me on your Loopers-delight > > discussion list. I am just finishing my essay on Live-Looping and perhaps > > only now am I beginning to understand the world of Live-Looping and how it > > has developed. > > > (...) > > > > Do you see the EDP now as a live-sequencer? > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 12:54:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CGqTG09869; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:52:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:52:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:51:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree with Jon's description, but I'd add that it can also be (in the case of the MC505, for example) actual creation of the sequences in a live situation. You actually perform the beat which the machine then loops. I've done this with the MC307, but it's more awkward, as there's no undo unless you stop the sequence. I wanted to be able to take beats out of needed. Doing this in a step record situation is really fun and useful. Another thing the Roland family of boxes does is they allow you to take parts out of needed, in a non destructive way. Thus, a very complex beat/sequence can be created, then varied in countless ways by choosing different combinations of tracks and effects. I don't really think this differs from looping, it's just a different kind of tool than using something that actually captures audio. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 09:13 AM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >> Here's perhaps a dumb question: What exactly is "live sequencing" (how > does >> it differ from "looping?")? >> > > Personally, I would consider 'live sequencing' to mean the creation of > performance using pre-developed elements - sample loops, or prepared > midi > sequences. It's what most 'groove boxes' are used for. > > Live looping involves the sequencing of elements that are developed as > part > of the performance. > > bIz > --------------------- > www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some > Holiday > Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I > could do > better with a cassette deck and a microphone." > --------------------- > > >> I know terminology is in evolution.... >> >> ||: David :|| >> >>> This is a post intended for Kim Flint. >>> >>> Hi Kim >>> My name is Geoff Smith, you may have seen me on your Loopers-delight >>> discussion list. I am just finishing my essay on Live-Looping and > perhaps >>> only now am I beginning to understand the world of Live-Looping and >>> how > it >>> has developed. >>> >> (...) >>> >>> Do you see the EDP now as a live-sequencer? >>> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 12:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CGtcT10437; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030512165504.19753.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Squier Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- glenn wrote: > Trying to install them on a mac but it keep saying > something about needing > "acadia" file? > > > > on 5/8/03 11:45 AM, Richard Zvonar at > zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > > > At 11:40 AM -0700 5/8/03, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > >> > >> I heard rumours that opcode was under the process > of ressurection. > > > > Could you be more specific? > > > > The only thing I know about is that Gibson > recently made Studio > > Vision Pro 4.5.1 and Vision DSP 4.5.1 available > free on the Opcode > > Web site. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 13:01:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CGvmu10887; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:57:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030512165642.39222.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Squier Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030508170038.00aa1b00@mail.pdfsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <26Vo6C.A.xnC.PJ9v-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "anti:clockwise" wrote: > > > hey bIz > > hell yeah i make my own. it can be a great way to > save money, as well as > getting precisely what you need for whatever you > need it for, cable-wise. > > for example - if you have a bunch of sources that > are located physically > nearby one another (such as in a rack) why not use a > multichannel snake > instead of individual runs? my rig has one 6 channel > snake that Y's into 2 > groups of 3 ch's; each of different lengths, > terminating in a few different > kinds of connectors and servicing both inputs and > outputs. one side is > connected right to a mixer, man does it save set up > time (and for me, > that's saying a lot.) > > you can do a pretty good job with gepco snake for a > job like this and it > won't set you back like canare or mogami will. > > and get a switchcraft catalog. you wouldn't know how > many termination > options there are in the world til you see one of > these. man, i am SO down > with right-angle 1/4" plugs. i get all sexed up just > thinking bout em. > > if you live near a decent pro-audio house (guitar > center does NOT count) > they should be able to sell you raw wire (snake, > single conductor shielded, > whatever you need) by the foot right off the roll. > i'm lucky, living in > nyc, i just go get. colors, even. > > if you're not so well situated for that, a > full compass catalog > will do almost as nicely. > you can get raw wire and connectors from them. > > and the smell of solder - don't even START me! > > a:c > > > on Thu, 8 May 2003 13:08:37 -0700 > "Jonathan El-Bizri" > wondered: > > Hi, > I was wondering if anyone had any resources for > making your own cables? > I'm in the process of rebuilding my rack, and would > like to do a good job > for once. Also, I have a number of specific items I > need to create (such as > y-cables for mixing two signals - with resistors > inline) and making cables > seems like a good place to start. > bIz > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 13:01:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CGwwq11174; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:58:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:58:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:57:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Frisell - Digitech PDS-8000 Echo Plus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000801c31897$e008b060$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, the PDS-8000 was my first looper. Great piece of gear that I purchased used for $75 in the early 90s. Anyway, a good trick for that toy was I got some really fat rubber washers that I used to extend the knobs so I could twist them with my foot. Sure, I had to do a wacky dance to get the sonic craziness that's similar to Frisell's work, but being able to keep my hands free was worth it. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 08:05 AM, David wrote: > Bill Frissell is a phenomenally creative guitar player. And he's been > integrating looping effects for a long time. > > I remember seeing him with Joey Barron at Johnny D's in Somerville, MA > about > 10 years ago. He was using a reverb and Digitech PDS-8000 Echo Plus > as his > only effects (Here's a picture of the PDS > http://homepages.luc.edu/~tgeerdi/dslpedals.html). He mounts it in > "arms > reach" or on an amp, because a key feature of the PDS's analog delay > is you > can turn a knob that speeds up and slows down a delayed/looped segment > in a > way that also changes the pitch. Combined with his deft whammy-bar > technique, it's a pleasure to hear what he does. > > With his somewhat "americana-jazz" band at the Montreal Jazz Fest July > 2002, > he was using the same pedal still. Along with the DL-4 mentioned > below. > God bless him. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ernesto schnack" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:56 AM > Subject: Re: Frisell > > >> On Sun, 11 May 2003 20:35:16 -0700, Mark Hamburg > >> wrote: >>> pedal but also using a DL-4 to some extent. Reviving an age old >>> debate > on >>> this list, I would classify his use of loops as more of an effect >>> than > an >>> instrument or compositional tool. Their most prominent use in the >>> show >>> were >>> as "funny sound" breaks. >> >> Yeah, he uses them more for ambience. However, it is still amazing >> how >> agile he has become at it. Those sounds just pop out of nowhere. the >> first >> time I heard him (Blues for LA) I had no idea what was going on. I >> thought >> he was using some sort of whammy bar, but it sounded so weird... >> >> -- >> ernesto schnack >> http://schnack.does.it >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 13:05:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CH2Pg12992; Mon, 12 May 2003 13:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030512170021.16170.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Squier Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030509173636.14913.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Louie Angulo wrote: > Guys never mind here i found this function in fact > very musical! it sort of like the undo/redo on the > repeater but better!I record a cool james brown riff > with bass and then i press multiply leaving my foot > on > it and it starts replacing the old material with a > new > funky riff without bass.Then i press undo and it > goes > back to the main riff with bass and its all done > with > one button,great for jamming on top of it!man the > more > i play with the EDP the more it impresses me,i > usually > don´t use any of the alternative functions, but my > god > the features on this thing have no end! > L.a > > > > > button the loop plays through once and then there > is > > silence.Is it overtaking the replace function? > What > > would be the musical use here? > > L.a > > > > ===== > > www.labalou.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 13:41:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CHdeU18889; Mon, 12 May 2003 13:39:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:39:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.1ad3d741.2bf1360b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:38:19 EDT Subject: Re: effects for wind instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > and I > believe Ian Underwood also used one with Zappa > (I'm not sure if it's his solo or one of the > others on the Uncle Meat version of King Kong, > but one of them sounds like it has an octave > divider on it). That's Bunk Gardiner's (beautiful) clarinet solo. He and Ian Underwood both had the devices, which involved some sort of attachment to the mouthpiece, which had a lead going to the electronics. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 13:45:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CHh6T19739; Mon, 12 May 2003 13:43:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:43:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1df.8b92b75.2bf13707@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:42:31 EDT Subject: Re: DJ Rescue>>mastering To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Those of you born after the CD came to market might > marvel at all the funny things people did to make sound fit into vinyl > grooves. > EQ, limiting, compression... None of which need to be done for soundwaves > being > digitally encoded into pits of a CD. They still do it though! beware CD mastering by others of your pristine loop music. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 14:13:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CICUU24941; Mon, 12 May 2003 14:12:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:12:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <1df.8b92b75.2bf13707@aol.com> Subject: Re: DJ Rescue>>mastering Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:11:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2003 18:11:39.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF16E940:01C318B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Those of you born after the CD came to market might > > marvel at all the funny things people did to make sound fit into vinyl > > grooves. > > EQ, limiting, compression... None of which need to be done for soundwaves > > being > > digitally encoded into pits of a CD. > > They still do it though! > beware CD mastering by others of your pristine loop music. > This isn't the whole story. While mastering to the recording medium is no longer required, mastering for the end user's audio system still is, as well as applying dynamics processing, mix sweetening, equalization and level setting. You can do this all yourself, or get some else to do it. If someone else does it, you get a 'fresh' set of ears on the sound, even if it is just your buddy. If they know what they are doing, chances are it will sound better than it would if you did it. If you hire a good professional mastering house, they will have had years of practice, as well as lots of fancy gear for the job. Jon > > andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 14:17:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CIFrd25391; Mon, 12 May 2003 14:15:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:15:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:15:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2003 18:15:06.0095 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A2AEFF0:01C318B2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I agree with Jon's description, but I'd add that it can also be (in the > case of the MC505, for example) actual creation of the sequences in a > live situation. You actually perform the beat which the machine then > loops. I've done this with the MC307, but it's more awkward, as > there's no undo unless you stop the sequence. I wanted to be able to > take beats out of needed. Doing this in a step record situation is > really fun and useful. > At which point, you are looping, not sequencing. > Another thing the Roland family of boxes does is they allow you to take > parts out of needed, in a non destructive way. Thus, a very complex > beat/sequence can be created, then varied in countless ways by choosing > different combinations of tracks and effects. > > I don't really think this differs from looping, it's just a different > kind of tool than using something that actually captures audio. > I disagree - you are adding and removing loops - i.e. sequencing them. Until you hit the record button, you are just manipulating pre-recorded stuff. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 14:43:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CIgmd29657; Mon, 12 May 2003 14:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:45:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com By live sequencing I mean the Live sequencing of audio events, Maybe Live audio sequencing!! this can be achieved using the insert replace function etc. You even get quantise options. The sequencing of midi data to trigger samples etc. is different mmmmm maybe I need better terminology. The way I think about it you have a midi sequencer that stores midi events and an audio sequencer stores audio events. (even if your sequencing samples you are Midi sequencing.) Hence Andre's use of the EDP I think is the Live Sequencing of audio. Geoff on 12/5/03 5:13 pm, Jonathan El-Bizri at ssrndpty@hotmail.com wrote: > > >> >> Here's perhaps a dumb question: What exactly is "live sequencing" (how > does >> it differ from "looping?")? >> > > Personally, I would consider 'live sequencing' to mean the creation of > performance using pre-developed elements - sample loops, or prepared midi > sequences. It's what most 'groove boxes' are used for. > > Live looping involves the sequencing of elements that are developed as part > of the performance. > > bIz > --------------------- > www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday > Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do > better with a cassette deck and a microphone." > --------------------- > > >> I know terminology is in evolution.... >> >> ||: David :|| >> >>> This is a post intended for Kim Flint. >>> >>> Hi Kim >>> My name is Geoff Smith, you may have seen me on your Loopers-delight >>> discussion list. I am just finishing my essay on Live-Looping and > perhaps >>> only now am I beginning to understand the world of Live-Looping and how > it >>> has developed. >>> >> (...) >>> >>> Do you see the EDP now as a live-sequencer? >>> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 14:43:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CIhPo29779; Mon, 12 May 2003 14:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:43:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:41:45 -0700 Subject: GIG SPAM: more looped cello music this friday From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi lovely loopies, another looped cello performance this friday at 964 natoma in san francisco. i'll be playing solo, followed by my new band the No Name Trio (because we haven't yet thought of a name...!), a juggling performance by Zack Bernstein (of Capacitor) and the incredible, computer controlled multi-slide array (it's looping but with images instead of sound) of Greg Cowley. thanks much. the official bulletin is appended below. best, zoe p.s. a very nice review of what it's like to see a show at 964 natoma can be found here -> http://www.playinginfog.com/reviews/charlesatlas.html --------------------------------- The Event.... PATTERN: repetitive, iterative, beautiful worlds Friday, May 16th 964 Natoma SF, CA 94103 doors at 8:30, show at 9:00pm (we're going to try and start on time!) $5 to $10 suggested sliding donation no one ever turned away for lack of funds minimal wine and snax provided, but please feel free to bring your own ----------------------------------- Featuring.... ZOE KEATING solo, looped cello compositions NO NAME TRIO organic grooves from Zoe Keating, Tony Cross on violin, and Mark Bernfield on Percussion ZACK BERNSTEIN (of Capacitor) other worldly juggling GREG COWLEY (of TESTsite) phasing, looped slide compositions ---------------------------------- Artist Bios.... ZACK BERNSTEIN Zack Bernstein is a co-founder of the astounding performance troupe Capacitor. Locally he has performed as a featured guest artist for KQED, BMW Industrial Films, 3rd Degree Burn, Jane's Addiction, the Flying Karamazov Brothers, and the New Pickle Circus. http://www.capacitor.org GREG COWLEY Gregory Cowley is a San Francisco based visual artist working in electronic projection media and performance. His tools include a variety of technologies, ranging from traditional arts and photography, to work with electronics and computer technologies. His creations most often exist as performances and time based presentations. He explores the live performative qualities of the projected image in collaborations with dancers and other performers in theaters, underground venues, and academic gallery settings. He also teaches advanced digital media to students at the California College of Arts and Crafts (CCAC). http://www.testsite.org http://www.gregorycowley.com ZOE KEATING Zoe Keating is a cellist, composer and member of the cello-rock ensemble Rasputina. Current projects include collaborations with the group Charles Atlas, with Rasputina on a new album (to be released on Instinct Records in January 2004), and a score for an independent film called "The Negative Complex". Her solo cello music interweaves heartfelt melodies with elements of ambient electronica and classical minimalism. http://www.zoekeating.com TONY CROSS Tony Cross studied violin at he Oberlin Conservatory, the Curtis Institute and the Aspen Music School. His favorite color is Maker's Mark and he likes to wear shirts with snaps instead of buttons. A recovering Knicks fan, he dreams of singing backup vocals for Johnny Cash. In addition to countless projects with cellist Zoe Keating, Tony is a member of the Punk Rock Orchestra and founder of a string quartet that plays exclusively 80's cover songs. http://www.miltoncross.com MARK BERNFIELD A graduate of the Berklee College of Music, Mark Bernfield is a drummer and drum instructor in jazz, funk, rock and pop styles. A member of the Contemporary A Cappella Society of America , Merk also sings in a jazz choir, has taught voice lessions and directed choirs at various local summer camps for teenagers. ---------------------------------------- Venue Information.... 964 Natoma is a private warehome located on Natoma Street, a small alley that runs between Mission and Howard. 964 is between 10th and 11th streets. 2 blocks away from the Van Ness MUNI stop. Pretty decent neighbourhood parking. Bike parking inside! for more information write to cello@zoekeating.com or call 415-522-0223 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 15:22:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4CJLL704353; Mon, 12 May 2003 15:21:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:21:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:20:13 EDT Subject: Re: Kim Flint questions on your design work for the EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > By live sequencing I mean the Live sequencing of audio events, Maybe Live > audio sequencing!! this can be achieved using the insert replace function > etc. the term "sequencing" started cropping up during the Loop4 development period. Andre described some of the new stuff as being like some sort of step sequencer. I used the term to describe what happens when you use the EDP to string together bits of sound of equal length. (so if there's confusion about the term, then I'm probably a contributer) It sounds a bit like one of those old analogue step sequencers being used to drive a synth. It was possible with Loop3, starting from a one beat loop and using Inserts with Quantise=CYC. In loop4 The 8th Replace(or Subst) function was specially modified to make it really easy to do the effect with Quant=8th (and Matthias liked the idea because it fixed a bug for him ;-) although you have to set InsertMode=rPL (or Sub) for it to work. on www.andybutler.com I have an example of the "step sequence" effect (in the last 2 mins of the only piece on the site) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 21:42:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4D1g0927296; Mon, 12 May 2003 21:42:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:42:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c318f0$d27e5c20$4676d6d1@Main> From: "Daniel Dingeldein" To: Subject: JamMan Question Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:41:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Daniel Dingeldein" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, Just getting into looping so please be gentle. At the advise of a friend who is seriously into it, I purchased a Jamman off of Ebay and it works great. Anyway I am curious about some replacement pedals for this unit. I have seen some of these unit use a Roland foot switch. What I need to know is which foot switch to use the Roland FS-5L or the FS-5U? And could someone please tell me the difference between the two and why one would work better than the other. Thanks, Daniel Nashville, TN From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 22:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4D2QIQ01890; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:26:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030513022600.57285.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Frisell - Digitech PDS-8000 Echo Plus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > Ah, Anyway, a good trick for that > toy [the PDS-8000] was I got some really fat rubber >washers that I used to extend the > knobs so I could twist them with my foot. I did the same thing to my Headrush and my RC-20; while I'd still really prefer separate wet/dry outs, putting big rubber component feet on the knobs allows me to fade the loop out by foot. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 22:51:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4D2pRr05021; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:51:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:51:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:50:04 -0500 Subject: Re: effects for wind instruments From: "Richard J. Roberts" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3135621005_14477_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3135621005_14477_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit When he worked with Zappa, Ian Underwood was using a Maestro Sound System for Woodwinds, and a Maestro Universal Synthesizer. I had a Sound System for Woodwinds way back when. It processed the sinal sent from a piezo-electric pick-up, the only pick-up available for woodwinds in those days (this was years before transducer pick-ups were available). The piezo pick-up had to be drilled into the neck of your sax or into the barrel of your clarinet. The SSFW had several tone presets, some of which were one octave lower (bassoon was one of the lower octave settings). The Universal Synthesizer put a 1/4" mic type input through a series of effects such as active filters, an ADSR envelope, ring modulator, and more. I believe Underwood used both these devices extensively with soprano sax and clarinet and some flute on Zappa's Hot Rats. -- Richard J. Roberts / ZERO OHMS From: SoundFNR@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:38:19 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effects for wind instruments > and I > believe Ian Underwood also used one with Zappa > (I'm not sure if it's his solo or one of the > others on the Uncle Meat version of King Kong, > but one of them sounds like it has an octave > divider on it). That's Bunk Gardiner's (beautiful) clarinet solo. He and Ian Underwood both had the devices, which involved some sort of attachment to the mouthpiece, which had a lead going to the electronics. andy --MS_Mac_OE_3135621005_14477_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: effects for wind instruments When he worked with Zappa, Ian Underwood was using a Maestro Sound Syst= em for Woodwinds, and a Maestro Universal Synthesizer. I had a Sound System = for Woodwinds way back when. It processed the sinal sent from a piezo-electr= ic pick-up, the only pick-up available for woodwinds in those days (this was= years before transducer pick-ups were available). The piezo pick-up had to = be drilled into the neck of your sax or into the barrel of your clarinet. Th= e SSFW had several tone presets, some of which were one octave lower (bassoo= n was one of the lower octave settings). The Universal Synthesizer put a 1/4= " mic type input through a series of effects such as active filters, an= ADSR envelope, ring modulator, and more.
I believe Underwood used both these devices extensively with soprano sax an= d clarinet and some flute on Zappa's Hot Rats.
--
Richard J. Roberts / ZERO OHMS



From: SoundFNR@aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:38:19 EDT
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: effects for wind instruments

> and I
>  believe Ian Underwood also used one with Zappa
>  (I'm not sure if it's his solo or one of the
>  others on the Uncle Meat version of King Kong,
>  but one of them sounds like it has an octave
>  divider on it).

That's Bunk Gardiner's (beautiful) clarinet solo.
He and Ian Underwood both had the devices, which
involved some sort of attachment to the mouthpiece,
which had a lead going to the electronics.

andy

--MS_Mac_OE_3135621005_14477_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 23:35:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4D3ZFU12521; Mon, 12 May 2003 23:35:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:35:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030513033505.16801.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:35:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: JamMan Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00a101c318f0$d27e5c20$4676d6d1@Main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Daniel Dingeldein wrote: > Just getting into looping so please be gentle. At the advise of a friend > who is seriously into it, I purchased a Jamman off of Ebay and it works > great. Anyway I am curious about some replacement pedals for this unit. I > have seen some of these unit use a Roland foot switch. > > What I need to know is which foot switch to use the Roland FS-5L or the > FS-5U? I don't have one, but I thought the JamMan required switches with a diode matrix in 'em? Check this page from Bob Sellon's JamMan reference material: http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/Footswitches.html Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 00:53:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4D4qac23155; Tue, 13 May 2003 00:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 00:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Andy Kuhlberg on Delayed Flute Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:52:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004b01c3189d$64749580$1912be18@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <9ot2kD.A.woF.8nHw-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In his response to the "effects for wind instruments" thread, Douglas Baldwin noted: To wax even more nostalgic and to look back at one of my earliest echo-based influences, "Flute Thing" by the Blues Project had some pretty wildly mutated tone AND extensive echo effects. Flute as pocket trumpet? No problemo! Baroque cannonic harmony? Easy as Echoplex! Listen for the "Live At Town Hall" and "Monteray Pop" versions to see why they were the fourth-highest paid act at Woodstock (if my trivia-sludge generator is functioning properly this morning). That's Andy Kuhlberg you're talking about. That guy was really something! He was the original bass player with the Blues Project, is recently deceased and was one of the enormous talents behind Sea Train, which also had a recording of Flute Thing. Reference the "Planned Obsolescence" album on Verve by the Blues Project, basically the first incarnation of Sea Train, for another jam band delay freak out--played flute and bass guitar(also vocals? Was that him on Turtle Dove?). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 01:52:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4D5lIw30351; Tue, 13 May 2003 01:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 01:47:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030513054157.56209.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:41:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: effects on wind instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200305121531.h4CFVx227563@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Yeah, I didn't think it sounded right that it would be Underwood, because his solo is the last one (the live on the flatbed truck bit, after the deranged ice cream truck bit), and the one I was thinking of was earlier in the track, but didn't feel like going back and checking the liner notes. Craig Anderton used that as a prime example of an octave divider being used on a recording in an old Guitar Player article back in the late 70's or early 80's. Is there anywhere it's actually confirmed that the King Kong solos were entirely notated by Frank beforehand? It sure doesn't sound like composed music to me. But then, I thought the backing behind Frank's solo on the Guitar album were all pre-composed when I first heard it. Incidentally, if you don't mind spending the extra cash and waiting about a month for it come in the mail, you might want to check out Karlheinz Stockhausen's Sternklang, a piece that he concieved for five groups that are spread out across great distances in a park. Many of the acoustic instruments are processed through synthesizers, including some wind instruments, though again, I can't recall the exact instruments that are used (I know viola and bassoon are two that are processed on the recorded version). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 05:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4D9HxU27628; Tue, 13 May 2003 05:17:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 05:17:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "cameron street" To: Subject: RE: Guinness World Record Looping Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:20:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009a01c316e4$0b0e58b0$0100a8c0@black> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this is quite funny. i talk about stepping on a headrush the wrong way, in the dark by accident, and you guys get all complicated. hehe I know it's not original or special, it was funny. geez OK, i'll get complicated. i should have said the shortest manually created loop, with no EPD tricks. midi stuff or numbers and shit. OK what the longest loop anyone has created? heheh cam In delay mode and sus with some advanced midi controler (peavey PC1600x or digitech pmc 10) you can enter back to back note on / note off that give the smallest edp loop midi can give the you can increase the loop time by inserting null midi bytes (00) between note on note off all hex: 90 26 7f , 90 26 00 note on note off the smallest possible 90 26 7f 00 90 26 00 one 00 byte spacer 90 26 7f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 90 26 00 a loonger loop with more spacers I call that resonator mode Claude > At 05:40 PM 5/9/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >Well, as we learned from Kim and/or Matthias about the EDP, it shouldn't be > >able to make a loop shorter than 1.5ms, because that's the length of time it > >takes the software loop to cycle. Still, good luck hitting the Record > >button twice in 1.5ms. Maybe in SUS Record mode... > > yes, exactly. With SUS Record it is quite easy to get micro loops less than > 10ms long. Rather than holding the button down, just tap it. The loop will > be as long as the contacts in the switch touch each other, which is not > very long. You get loops short enough that the loop repeat rate is itself > an audible frequency. From there you can multiply them out, insert, > replace, overdub, etc. If you use the SUS modes of each of those fuctions, > you can again drop in micro sized fragments of sound and get a lot of > interesting glitchy loops out of it. (see Andre.) This is the granular loop > idea that was expanded into a whole set of features in the LoopIV upgrade > for the Echoplex. > > Another fun idea is to turn the feedback down, leave overdub on (or use > delay mode), and play an audio source through the echoplex. Drums work > well. Then tap the record to get micro-length delays for a comb-filter > effect. Each time you re-tap record the delay length will be slightly > different, giving a different pitch to the sound. Adjusting the feedback > changes the decay of it. Its a lot of fun to manipulate this stuff live. > > Sorry Cameron, you didn't invent anything new, or set any records! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 08:28:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4DCP6b15509; Tue, 13 May 2003 08:25:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:25:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017701c3194a$4c332380$953c5cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <1df.8b92b75.2bf13707@aol.com> Subject: Re: DJ Rescue>>mastering Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:22:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Those of you born after the CD came to market might > > marvel at all the funny things people did to make sound fit into vinyl > > grooves. > > EQ, limiting, compression... None of which need to be done for soundwaves > > being > > digitally encoded into pits of a CD. > > They still do it though! > beware CD mastering by others of your pristine loop music. True enough. We have become accustomed to all that processing. But it doesn't NEED to be done and often is done differently than what was done to squeeze soundwaves in LP grooves. Still, for commercial reasons, much processing is still done in order to make music "radio-friendly" or to compete against all the other songs on the radio. Such processing wrecks ambient music, among other genres. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 10:09:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4DE6wp31532; Tue, 13 May 2003 10:06:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:06:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:06:38 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JamMan Question Message-ID: <562453725.1052809598@[192.168.1.174]> In-Reply-To: <20030513033505.16801.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030513033505.16801.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I don't have one, but I thought the JamMan required switches with a diode > matrix in 'em? The Jamman only requires the diode matrix to do 3 switches per pedal using Bob Sellon's enhanced software. The standard Jamman uses a stereo plug with one switch attached to the tip and the other to the ring. The switches must be normally-open momentary contact switches. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 12:12:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4DGAij22008; Tue, 13 May 2003 12:10:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:10:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EC118B4.E9A6E130@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:09:24 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , digitalhell , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: Blacet Prototype Modular Synth Sequencer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am cleaning out my Frankensynth modular to concentrate on my newer instruments so this gem is up for grabs: This is a single prototype module built by John Blacet (www.blacet.com) back in the 1970s. One of one and very rare. There was no documentation but this appears to be his original Digital Pattern Generator. I bought this from John himself a few years ago. I have used this on everything from Doepfer to Wiard modules and an Arp 2600. It is one of the most interesting CV controlled units I've seen. According to the original Synapse magazine article on John's site: "The Digital Pattern Sequencer is a Voltage source capable of producing up to fourteen step sequences. This is accomplished with four level controls, each operating in a separate time division, by multiples of two from each other. This enables the device to produce patterns whose steps do not necessarily have the same duration. When connected to a VCO, the results are quite rhythmical. The DPG can be gated, triggered, and run up or down by external control. In addition the pattern can be made to alternate direction on successive triggers" The full article including schematic is up at: http://www.blacet.com/dpg1.jpg and http://www.blacet.com/dpg2.jpg A picture of the actual unit I have is up at: http://helpwantedproductions.com/eh/blacet1.jpg (other pics available on request) In my picture you can see the four adjustable knobs each with an LED and toggle on the right side. There is a center toggle which appears to be a run/off/reset switch, one master knob, two toggles labeled u/d and g, and a jack labeled E.O.C. On the bottom are 1/8" metal input jacks labeled: Clock Up/Down Trig Out Out G Because I got this unit with a bunch of working and non-working units I do not 100% know everything about it. I do know I wired it up to a MOTM PS and have used it by externally running a clock into the "clock" input. All the LEDS and knobs did something, the toggle did the start/stop/reset thing. In short it worked and was pretty damn amazing. However due to it's age and rarity I am selling this AS IS. I ran it through it's paces just this morning again and everything worked as well as it ever has but again I'm not a tech nor do I know fully WHAT each part is supposed to do. I will include the MOTM PS connector I used to run it from a MOTM PS. This unit influenced John's current Binary Zone module so you can go look that up which might give you more of a clue. However the two ARE different. Needless to say this is one outrageously rare and collectible piece. More importantly it is one VERY cool and unique and usable piece. I am not looking for KKKollector cash and would prefer to sell it fast and to a good home, hence this post to AH first. I can only imagine the horror of selling something this rare on Eb*y with the idiots and ignorance that goes there. "Buy-it-now" here please, LOL! I am asking $150 plus shipping which it certainly is VERY worth but I am open to SERIOUS offers. I will answer any questions. I WILL sell it to the first person to offer to buy it confirmed via phone so please send your phone # to speed things up if you are interested. A simple "I'll take it" won't secure this sale. I can accept Paypal via bank transfer or prepay USPS MO. References out the wazoo. I will pack extremely well for free. On a final note I HIGHLY recommend poking around at John's site and buying from his new line of modules (which are compatible with this BTW). He is an amazing and very creative inventor and yes, I do own many of his other designs and no they are not for sale :) Http://www.blacet.com Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 12:37:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4DGZDi26414; Tue, 13 May 2003 12:35:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:35:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hi im back (repeater) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:34:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2003 16:34:57.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[96E5FB50:01C3196D] Resent-Message-ID: <1ib-jD.A.KcG.26Rw-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, Its Phill, I was known as phillwilson@hotmail.com, but my account was way full so Im back here with this new name. Im looking for an electrix repeater as i think it may wall be the sollution for my live looping needs. I lve in the u.k., does anyone have any info where i might get one (new or second hand) and how much i might be likley to pay. Cheers Phill _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 13:04:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4DH1h601348; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:01:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:01:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c31971$4dcbb320$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Guinness World Record Looping Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:01:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, God is in the details, buddy. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "cameron street" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: RE: Guinness World Record Looping > All this is quite funny. i talk about stepping on a headrush > the wrong way, in the dark by accident, and you guys get all complicated. > hehe > I know it's not original or special, it was funny. geez > OK, i'll get complicated. i should have said the shortest manually created > loop, > with no EPD tricks. midi stuff or numbers and shit. > OK what the longest loop anyone has created? heheh > cam > > > In delay mode and sus with some advanced midi controler (peavey PC1600x > or digitech pmc 10) you can enter back to back note on / note off that > give the smallest edp loop midi can give the you can increase the loop > time by inserting null midi bytes (00) between note on note off > > all hex: 90 26 7f , 90 26 00 note on note off the smallest > possible > > 90 26 7f 00 90 26 00 one 00 byte spacer > > 90 26 7f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 90 26 > 00 a loonger loop with more spacers > > I call that resonator mode > > Claude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:40 PM 5/9/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > >Well, as we learned from Kim and/or Matthias about the EDP, it > shouldn't be > > >able to make a loop shorter than 1.5ms, because that's the length of > time it > > >takes the software loop to cycle. Still, good luck hitting the > Record > > >button twice in 1.5ms. Maybe in SUS Record mode... > > > > yes, exactly. With SUS Record it is quite easy to get micro loops less > than > > 10ms long. Rather than holding the button down, just tap it. The loop > will > > be as long as the contacts in the switch touch each other, which is > not > > very long. You get loops short enough that the loop repeat rate is > itself > > an audible frequency. From there you can multiply them out, insert, > > replace, overdub, etc. If you use the SUS modes of each of those > fuctions, > > you can again drop in micro sized fragments of sound and get a lot of > > interesting glitchy loops out of it. (see Andre.) This is the granular > loop > > idea that was expanded into a whole set of features in the LoopIV > upgrade > > for the Echoplex. > > > > Another fun idea is to turn the feedback down, leave overdub on (or > use > > delay mode), and play an audio source through the echoplex. Drums work > > well. Then tap the record to get micro-length delays for a comb-filter > > effect. Each time you re-tap record the delay length will be slightly > > different, giving a different pitch to the sound. Adjusting the > feedback > > changes the decay of it. Its a lot of fun to manipulate this stuff > live. > > > > Sorry Cameron, you didn't invent anything new, or set any records! > > > > kim > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 14:40:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4DIcaT19778; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:42:08 +0100 Subject: Broken mixer help! From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c31971$4dcbb320$bf08fc0c@amd> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My mixer no longer comes on due to a dodgy connection between the power supply adapter and the mixer. I know its the adapter(3pronged thing (thats impossible to obtain) that plugs into the mixer) that has now finally given up the ghost (Not the actual transformer). So I wanted to simply hack off the offending piece and bypass it by soldering the 3wires that come directly from the tranformer into the three wires of the socket in the desk itself. i.e. transformer------wires-------soldered into---- mixer socket. However the wires from the transformer are Black,Brown, and White where as the wires from the mixer socket are green, black, and red. Does anyone know which go to which? If I cover the soldered joins in electrical tape and hide them away would that be safe? Please let me know what u think Electrically ignorant Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 17:19:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4DLINV19344; Tue, 13 May 2003 17:18:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:18:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030513211807.75158.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Guinness World Record Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- cameron street wrote: > All this is quite funny. i talk about stepping on a > headrush the wrong way, in the dark by accident, and >you guys get all complicated. Of course, the situation is even further complicated by the fact that you're south of the equator and all your loops are going counter-clockwise! :^) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 17:19:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4DLGct19138; Tue, 13 May 2003 17:16:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:16:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030513211544.48472.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Broken mixer help! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ummmm, what kind of mixer do you have? Maybe someone on the list either: 1) knows of a source for a replacement power supply, 2) knows a part number for the offending connecter/adapter thingy or 3) has a service manual/schematic... -t- --- Geoff Smith wrote: > My mixer no longer comes on... etc. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 19:42:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4DNeKD05347; Tue, 13 May 2003 19:40:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:40:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030513233952.2016.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Roland MC909 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone messing around with one of this puppies? it certainly sounds like a good thing... but expeeeensive! L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 19:42:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4DNfYK05592; Tue, 13 May 2003 19:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c319a9$71ef9540$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000801c31897$e008b060$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Tony Blair -- closet looper???? Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:43:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [68.160.33.103] at Tue, 13 May 2003 18:41:05 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK. Is anyone from GIBSON reading this? Are you looking for a way to get some cool EDP publicity? Please send British Prime Minister, Mr. Tony Blair, a Black Les Paul and a complimentary EDP so that he can follow in the cross-picking footsteps of the guitarist he admires so well. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3013125.stm "The opening cut 21st Century Schizoid Man is, reportedly, the PM's top track because of its outrageously complex guitar solo by the group's founder Robert Fripp (husband of the now famous-again jungle-dweller Toyah Wilcox). As any fool knows, it was the drumming on the track by Michael Giles that was really amazing." And then there's this from The Guardian, a British newspaper: http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,950556,00.html "Mark Ellen, who 33 years ago played with the prime minister in the Oxford student band Ugly Rumours, disclosed on Radio 4's Today programme yesterday that Blair still loves Free and King Crimson." What kind of world are we coming to with with TT Top being Mr. George Bush's fav rock band, and Free and King Crimson Mr. Tony Blair's favorite bands?? 8^) David UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 20:38:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4E0ZhS12503; Tue, 13 May 2003 20:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EC1920D.B6D71726@erols.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:47:09 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT mixer mounting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Behringer MX-802A mixer that I use in my looping rig. I would like to mount it to the top of a Gator Rack. Does anybody know if Behringer makes Rack ears to mount the 802A to a rack? If not would anybody know of any manufacturer who would. thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 22:33:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4E2XC529575; Tue, 13 May 2003 22:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1052879565.3ec1aacda124a@nalutech.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:32:45 -0400 From: Rich Schiavi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: midi control SW sampler live/hands free MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 66.14.171.32 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server18.pronicsolutions.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [32001 502] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - server18.pronicsolutions.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for a guitarist/echoplex users, i want to be able to trigger samples from software samplers. i'm looking at acid pro and ableton, and looking at unity. my main question is, i'm trying to figure out a way to use a midi foot controller to select a particular sample (or program or sample from a bank?) and start/stop that particular sample, all from a midi foot controller so i can keep my hands on the guitar/etc/instrument. has anyone got this working? i messed around with my rolls midi buddy and ableton and acid pro but couldn't see anything to get it to select and trigger a sample to start playing (continuous) or one time, etc. thanks for ideas/suggestions. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 22:45:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4E2inn31072; Tue, 13 May 2003 22:44:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:44:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:44:51 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi control SW sampler live/hands free Message-ID: <2147483647.1052862291@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1052879565.3ec1aacda124a@nalutech.com> References: <1052879565.3ec1aacda124a@nalutech.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147500486==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Steim makes "the Lick Macine" specialized for just this purpose. But I = think it's Mac only. http://www.steim.org/steim/lick.html --On Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:32 PM -0400 Rich Schiavi = wrote: >=20 > for a guitarist/echoplex users, i want to be able to trigger samples from = > software samplers. i'm looking at acid pro and ableton, and looking at > unity. my main question is, i'm trying to figure out a way to use a midi > foot controller to select a particular sample (or program or sample from > a bank?) and start/stop that particular sample, all from a midi foot > controller so i can keep my hands on the guitar/etc/instrument. >=20 > has anyone got this working? i messed around with my rolls midi buddy and = > ableton and acid pro but couldn't see anything to get it to select and > trigger a sample to start playing (continuous) or one time, etc. >=20 > thanks for ideas/suggestions. >=20 > rich >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 --- www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Steim makes "the Lick Macine" specialized for just = this purpose. But I think it's Mac only.

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--On Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:32 PM -0400 Rich Schiavi = <rich@nalutech.com> wrote:

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> for a guitarist/echoplex users, i want to be able to trigger samples = from
> software samplers. i'm looking at acid pro and ableton, and looking = at
> unity.  my main question is, i'm trying to figure out a way = to use a midi
> foot  controller to select a particular sample (or program = or sample from
> a bank?)  and start/stop that particular sample, all from a = midi foot
> controller so i can  keep my hands on the = guitar/etc/instrument.
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> has anyone got this working? i messed around with my rolls midi buddy = and
> ableton and acid pro but couldn't see anything to get it to select = and
> trigger  a sample to start playing (continuous) or one time, = etc.
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> thanks for ideas/suggestions.
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www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 23:05:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4E350H02206; Tue, 13 May 2003 23:05:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 23:05:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601c319c5$94d42a50$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: , References: <1052879565.3ec1aacda124a@nalutech.com> Subject: Re: midi control SW sampler live/hands free Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:04:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich- Get any MIDI foot controller that sends MIDI note on messages. I'm looking at the Behringer FCB1010 right now. Super cheap and programmable. A couple caveats: I've heard, is that each program on the FCB1010 can only send on one channel. You could get around this by having multiple programs set up to send on different channels and switching between them with your feet. What you want sounds like "one-shot" mode (note-on message plays the sample through one time regardless of the length of the trigger note), and loop. Another thing about the FCB1010 that I've picked up is that the release command of the pedals is not programmable. This means that you can't program the button to only send a note on message, which would let you sustain a loop until you pressed another pedal with a note off message programmed into it. Thus, if you wanted to sustain a loop with that particular MIDI controller pedal I believe you would have to keep your foot on the triggering pedal. For software samplers I've got to recommend Native Instruments Kontakt (www.nativeinstruments.com). Built in effects and modulation options limited only by CPU power. Very intuitive sample mapping functions. And *all* parameters are controllable via MIDI. So, you could use the two foot pedals on the FCB1010 to control filter cutoff, or pitch, or reverb mix, or whatever. Cost is $300+, but considering all that it offers above an expensive hardware sampler solution(limitless effects, limitless LFOs, the list goes on and on), it's reasonable. There is a warez version of Kontakt 1.01 floating around out there if you want to download it and try it out (I'm not responsible for any viruses you get!). It's not completely stable, however, and you can't get to Native's website to download the upgrade to v1.2, which offers all kinds of goodies like direct from disk streaming support, and ability to map controllers 7 and 10 to volume and pan controls, respectively (a curiously absent feature). Just keep in mind, if you intend to devote a lot of time to a piece of software and your music is going to be reliant upon it, it's worth your money to support it so the company doesn't drop it and leave you hanging. And while you're at it, badger them to make Linux versions of their software! -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Schiavi" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: midi control SW sampler live/hands free > > for a guitarist/echoplex users, i want to be able to trigger samples from > software samplers. i'm looking at acid pro and ableton, and looking at unity. > my main question is, i'm trying to figure out a way to use a midi foot > controller to select a particular sample (or program or sample from a bank?) > and start/stop that particular sample, all from a midi foot controller so i can > keep my hands on the guitar/etc/instrument. > > has anyone got this working? i messed around with my rolls midi buddy and > ableton and acid pro but couldn't see anything to get it to select and trigger > a sample to start playing (continuous) or one time, etc. > > thanks for ideas/suggestions. > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 08:09:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EC7EM25365; Wed, 14 May 2003 08:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Flutey Loops Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 05:06:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann Reference the "Planned Obsolescence" album on Verve by the Blues Project, basically the first incarnation of Sea Train, for another jam band delay freak out-- That tune was called Dakota Recollections, another minor key piece similiar to Flute Thing. I am recalling, tho, that the Beastie Boys had a tune called "Flute Loop" or something to that effect that "borrowed" the opening lick from Flute Thing. Kinda OT now, but the first Capitol release of Sea Train (produced by George Martin!) featured a killer band; Peter Rowan, Richard Greene, Kuhlberg, Lloyd Baskin and Larry Atamantuik, who I just saw on television playing with Union Station. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 09:52:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EDmDw03168; Wed, 14 May 2003 09:48:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:48:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:32:42 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Long Island Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004e01c31a1f$6da760a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple of weeks ago, I put a shout out to any loop/delay/soundscape folks who might be on this list AND on Long Island. Whenever I opened my e-mail thereafter, the faint sound of desert wind could be heard. So. No LI loopers? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 09:56:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EDmdx03195; Wed, 14 May 2003 09:48:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:48:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:44:52 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Delay advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004f01c31a1f$6fa812a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This should be an easy one. I'm looking for a dedicated delay processor with: * Ten seconds (more or less) of delay time, adjustable in milliseconds or finer. * A digital readout of said delay time. * Variable feedback of delay regeneration, so the DL-4 is out. * Multiple user-definable patches. * An effects insert would be sweet, but not absolutely necessary. * Footswitchable functions (midi assignable or not). * "Hold" or "Infinite" mode, i.e. zero decay, and preferably simultaneous bypass of input. * A backwards delay effect with no forwards signal, i.e. the Ade Belew-with-extinct-Boss-pedal effect. Actually, I'll take this as a seperate pedal if it's out there. * Rack mount or footpedal housing. * Under $500 street. If it's out there, you folks'll know. Thanks in advance. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 10:25:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EEKLt08849; Wed, 14 May 2003 10:20:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:20:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Delay advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:20:56 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/14/2003 10:20:58 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you're describing the tce D-2 check it at: http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=879 (actually, I don't recall if it has a hold mode, but you can easily set the feedback to 100% and it'll repeat forever....there is a jack for a bypass footswitch.) It does reverse delays, but if you really want a separate pedal for this, hunt down a Digitech Space Station. Preset 10 is reverse delay with no forward signal. David << I'm looking for a dedicated delay processor with: * Ten seconds (more or less) of delay time, adjustable in milliseconds or finer. * A digital readout of said delay time. * Variable feedback of delay regeneration, so the DL-4 is out. * Multiple user-definable patches. * An effects insert would be sweet, but not absolutely necessary. * Footswitchable functions (midi assignable or not). * "Hold" or "Infinite" mode, i.e. zero decay, and preferably simultaneous bypass of input. * A backwards delay effect with no forwards signal, i.e. the Ade Belew-with-extinct-Boss-pedal effect. Actually, I'll take this as a seperate pedal if it's out there. * Rack mount or footpedal housing. * Under $500 street.>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 11:44:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EFcXJ20837; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:38:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:38:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030514153813.1802.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Long Island Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c31a1f$6da760a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com slow down there my friend! i am a looper (just got my second repeater...but haven't hooked it up yet - thanks todd!) and living in great neck, working in manhattan. i play in an improv based jazz/funk/psychadelic band. our guitarist uses a boomerang and we have a sax/flute/kazoo player who uses a dl-4. we have yet to really experiment with everyone using their loopers because we are writing and rehearsing with stripped down basic instrument and amp rigs (to focus on the music first before adding textures and really experimenting). i play the bass and would love to get together for a little long island loop thang! don't forget that the open loop at chama (does that still happen) is in the city (NY - we always just call it the city and get away with it) so you definitely have some representation in your area. let me know if you want to get together and loopout! ~ evan > A couple of weeks ago, I put a shout out to any > loop/delay/soundscape folks > who might be on this list AND on Long Island. > Whenever I opened my e-mail > thereafter, the faint sound of desert wind could be > heard. So. No LI > loopers? > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 11:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EFjqt21697; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:45:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:45:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Long Island Loopers Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:45:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c31a2f$da645760$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20030514153813.1802.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not in LI, but up in Westchester haven't been working in NYC lately -----Original Message----- From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Long Island Loopers slow down there my friend! i am a looper (just got my second repeater...but haven't hooked it up yet - thanks todd!) and living in great neck, working in manhattan. i play in an improv based jazz/funk/psychadelic band. our guitarist uses a boomerang and we have a sax/flute/kazoo player who uses a dl-4. we have yet to really experiment with everyone using their loopers because we are writing and rehearsing with stripped down basic instrument and amp rigs (to focus on the music first before adding textures and really experimenting). i play the bass and would love to get together for a little long island loop thang! don't forget that the open loop at chama (does that still happen) is in the city (NY - we always just call it the city and get away with it) so you definitely have some representation in your area. let me know if you want to get together and loopout! ~ evan > A couple of weeks ago, I put a shout out to any loop/delay/soundscape > folks who might be on this list AND on Long Island. > Whenever I opened my e-mail > thereafter, the faint sound of desert wind could be > heard. So. No LI > loopers? > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 12:44:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EGfw029161; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:41:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:41:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c31a38$031367c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <004f01c31a1f$6fa812a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Delay advice Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:43:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [141.149.177.4] at Wed, 14 May 2003 11:41:39 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps a KORG DL-8000 More here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/korgDL8000R/DL8000R_Review2.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: Delay advice > This should be an easy one. > I'm looking for a dedicated delay processor with: > * Ten seconds (more or less) of delay time, adjustable in milliseconds or > finer. > * A digital readout of said delay time. > * Variable feedback of delay regeneration, so the DL-4 is out. > * Multiple user-definable patches. > * An effects insert would be sweet, but not absolutely necessary. > * Footswitchable functions (midi assignable or not). > * "Hold" or "Infinite" mode, i.e. zero decay, and preferably simultaneous > bypass of input. > * A backwards delay effect with no forwards signal, i.e. the Ade > Belew-with-extinct-Boss-pedal effect. Actually, I'll take this as a seperate > pedal if it's out there. > * Rack mount or footpedal housing. > * Under $500 street. > If it's out there, you folks'll know. Thanks in advance. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 12:53:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EGqCb30559; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:52:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:52:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:51:21 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Long Island Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001c01c31a39$0c170880$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004e01c31a1f$6da760a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" > A couple of weeks ago, I put a shout out to any loop/delay/soundscape folks > who might be on this list AND on Long Island. Whenever I opened my e-mail > thereafter, the faint sound of desert wind could be heard. So. No LI > loopers? > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net I'm in NJ, but if there's LILoopFest, there is a good possibility I could come out for the day. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:12:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EHBhf01441; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:11:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:11:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: midi control SW sampler live/hands free Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:06:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c31a3b$2de4fc40$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00e601c319c5$94d42a50$bf08fc0c@amd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The midi implementation of the 1010 is actually such that the device has 10 'slots' so to speak. 5 PC slots, 2 CC slots, 1 Note ON slot (the 1010 does NOT send Note OFFs) and then two assignable expression pedals which transmit 1 CC message type each (per preset). Each of these 'slots' is globally assigned to a midi channel. Ergo, if you assign the Note ON 'slot' to midi channel 3, you can only program presets to send a midi Note ON out on midi channel 3. If you wanted to send a midi Note ON message on any other midi channel, you'd have to change the global midi channel assignment for Note ONs and this change would apply to ALL 1010 presets that were programed to send this type of midi message. Right now though, holding a footswitch down will is not functionally different than pressing it momentarily. The 1010 does not interpret the act of holding down a footswitch, all programed functions are sent upon the intial press (expression pedals work differently of course, sending out appropriate midi CC values when you sweep them). You're correct in that the 1010 cannot send any midi messages upon the release of a footswitch, only the press. This is the biggest limitation for me, although they may release a firmware update at some point to change this, assuming they think it's worth the effort and the physical device can support it (I think it should). Note OFFs would then be possible with this implementation. With regards to selecting an appropriate loop or sample in a software program via the 1010, the software program would have to support this function via either PC or CC messages, and then the 1010 could do this, easily in fact. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; rich@nalutech.com > Subject: Re: midi control SW sampler live/hands free > > > Rich- > > Get any MIDI foot controller that sends MIDI note on > messages. I'm looking > at the Behringer FCB1010 right now. Super cheap and > programmable. A couple > caveats: I've heard, is that each program on the FCB1010 can > only send on > one channel. You could get around this by having multiple > programs set up > to send on different channels and switching between them with > your feet. > What you want sounds like "one-shot" mode (note-on message > plays the sample > through one time regardless of the length of the trigger > note), and loop. > Another thing about the FCB1010 that I've picked up is that > the release > command of the pedals is not programmable. This means that you can't > program the button to only send a note on message, which would let you > sustain a loop until you pressed another pedal with a note off message > programmed into it. Thus, if you wanted to sustain a loop with that > particular MIDI controller pedal I believe you would have to > keep your foot > on the triggering pedal. > > For software samplers I've got to recommend Native Instruments Kontakt > (www.nativeinstruments.com). Built in effects and modulation options > limited only by CPU power. Very intuitive sample mapping > functions. And > *all* parameters are controllable via MIDI. So, you could > use the two foot > pedals on the FCB1010 to control filter cutoff, or pitch, or > reverb mix, or > whatever. > > Cost is $300+, but considering all that it offers above an expensive > hardware sampler solution(limitless effects, limitless LFOs, > the list goes > on and on), it's reasonable. There is a warez version of Kontakt 1.01 > floating around out there if you want to download it and try > it out (I'm not > responsible for any viruses you get!). It's not completely > stable, however, > and you can't get to Native's website to download the upgrade > to v1.2, which > offers all kinds of goodies like direct from disk streaming > support, and > ability to map controllers 7 and 10 to volume and pan > controls, respectively > (a curiously absent feature). > > Just keep in mind, if you intend to devote a lot of time to a piece of > software and your music is going to be reliant upon it, it's > worth your > money to support it so the company doesn't drop it and leave > you hanging. > And while you're at it, badger them to make Linux versions of their > software! > > -Jesse > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Schiavi" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:32 PM > Subject: midi control SW sampler live/hands free > > > > > > for a guitarist/echoplex users, i want to be able to > trigger samples from > > software samplers. i'm looking at acid pro and ableton, and > looking at > unity. > > my main question is, i'm trying to figure out a way to use > a midi foot > > controller to select a particular sample (or program or > sample from a > bank?) > > and start/stop that particular sample, all from a midi foot > controller so > i can > > keep my hands on the guitar/etc/instrument. > > > > has anyone got this working? i messed around with my rolls > midi buddy and > > ableton and acid pro but couldn't see anything to get it to > select and > trigger > > a sample to start playing (continuous) or one time, etc. > > > > thanks for ideas/suggestions. > > > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:18:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EHHMx02258; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:20:55 +0100 Subject: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <017701c3194a$4c332380$953c5cd1@billfox> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright everyone! now is our chance. received this email from the developer of psp42 plug-in today. saying.... I am preparing the new release of Lexicon PSP42 (v.1.3). The main modification is the phrase sampler improvement. In the previous versions of PSP42 the phrase sampler features of PCM42 were implemented in a wrong way. I fixed this. Our current version does not include Gary's modifications. I consider doing something like limited edition version, or maybe 'Gary Hall signature'. I will ask Gary about the details of the modifications you mentioned in your email. However, if you could provide me with description of those changes too, I would be very grateful. *****You mentioned that it included the extended delay time (60s) as well as reverse playback... Anything else? The other questions are how was the extended delay time displayed on the 4-digit display and how was the reverse playback activated?***** Could someone with a pcm42 send me the answer to the **** questions for the designer to make sure we get all of Gary's modifications on there. basically I need a list of all of Gary's modifications and how they were implemented to pass the details on. And if you don't mind I'll put him in contact with u. Also if everyone interested in seeing a decent software looping plug-in could bombard PSP with interested emails we might get ourselves a brilliant software looper released soon. What do u think???????? Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:26:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EHP8R03441; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:25:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:24:34 -0400 From: Mooveetoon@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Long Island Loopers MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <70B063A3.16AA4851.0C32E62B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two out of Three: I am on the list and I live on Long Island but I'm not a looper. I am a composer (mostly for wayward student films) and I joined the list to find a collaborator who might balance my tendencies to meander a bit. I'm pleased to advise that it appears that I found someone and we're working out the bugs right now. I have been thinking, however, that once we get rolling, that a third person might be the missing piece. He's a drum programming specialist and I do most of my stuff with synths and samplers (although I do also play bass, guitar, and sax). But in order to keep our stuff from being too sterile, I think adding a live instrumentalist would definitely be the icing on the cake. I live in East Meadow so if this is interesting to you, please write back. Adam Kane In a message dated 5/14/2003 8:32:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, Douglas Baldwin writes: >A couple of weeks ago, I put a shout out to any loop/delay/soundscape folks >who might be on this list AND on Long Island. Whenever I opened my e-mail >thereafter, the faint sound of desert wind could be heard. So. No LI >loopers? >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:32:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EHVJj04576; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:30:53 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Long Island Loopers To: Evan Meyers , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005701c31a3e$979dc6a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030514153813.1802.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good to know you're out there. I'm way east - east of Port Jefferson, so I don't get to your neck of the woods, and the city is an all day trip for me. But when/if I get out and gigging, I'll let you know! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Long Island Loopers > slow down there my friend! i am a looper (just got my > second repeater...but haven't hooked it up yet - > thanks todd!) and living in great neck, working in > manhattan. i play in an improv based > jazz/funk/psychadelic band. our guitarist uses a > boomerang and we have a sax/flute/kazoo player who > uses a dl-4. we have yet to really experiment with > everyone using their loopers because we are writing > and rehearsing with stripped down basic instrument and > amp rigs (to focus on the music first before adding > textures and really experimenting). > > i play the bass and would love to get together for a > little long island loop thang! don't forget that the > open loop at chama (does that still happen) is in the > city (NY - we always just call it the city and get > away with it) so you definitely have some > representation in your area. let me know if you want > to get together and loopout! > > ~ evan > > > A couple of weeks ago, I put a shout out to any > > loop/delay/soundscape folks > > who might be on this list AND on Long Island. > > Whenever I opened my e-mail > > thereafter, the faint sound of desert wind could be > > heard. So. No LI > > loopers? > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > > coyotelk@optonline.net > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:44:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EHgZL06129; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:42:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:42:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:42:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:20 PM +0100 5/14/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >Alright everyone! now is our chance. >received this email from the developer of psp42 plug-in today. >saying.... > >I am preparing the new release of Lexicon PSP42 (v.1.3). The main >modification is the phrase sampler improvement. In the previous versions of >PSP42 the phrase sampler features of PCM42 were implemented in a wrong way. >I fixed this. I've also been corresponding with PSP and found the PSP42/84 developer quite interested in making improvements and extensions to the delay-based plug-ins. A fix for some of the issues discussed here last week should be in beta soon >Also if everyone interested in seeing a decent software looping plug-in >could bombard PSP with interested emails we might get ourselves a brilliant >software looper released soon. I'd caution against "bombarding" PSP, but would suggest we discuss the matter here and be sure that the developer is either on the list or at least kept informed. He should let us know how he'd like to receive the information. Don't want to overwhelm him! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:49:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EHlxx06874; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:47:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:47:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c31a40$b3a3ee40$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Flutey Loops Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:46:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com only really relavent to the heading, but I'm working with a looping flautist at the moment - Theo Travis. He's known more as a sax player, both as a leader of his own quartet and as the saxist in Gong, but also has recently released an album of all solo alto flute compositions, using a DL4 for layering. It's a really lovely record. We're working on a duo album at the moment, which I'm really excited about - hopefully I'll have some soundclips up on my site before too long, though I'm maxxed out on my webspace at the moment, so will have to remove something else in order to put something there... or just move to a host with more space... hmmnnnn... anyway, check out Theo's looping flute album at http://www.theotravis.com cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:49:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EHm4X06897; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:48:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:48:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Delay advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:49:05 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/14/2003 01:49:07 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7TGaUC.A.NrB.KFow-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << Perhaps a KORG DL-8000 More here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/korgDL8000R/DL8000R_Review2.html >> The DL8000 is my personal favorite, and it does have a hold function....but no reverse delay. Plus, it's no longer in production....but I find it much simpler to set up and use than the D-Two. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:52:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EHoi707824; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:50:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:50:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:48:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:20 PM +0100 5/14/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >*****You mentioned that it included the extended >delay time (60s) as well as reverse playback... Anything else? The other >questions are how was the extended delay time displayed on the 4-digit >display and how was the reverse playback activated?***** > >Could someone with a pcm42 send me the answer to the **** questions for the >designer to make sure we get all of Gary's modifications on there. >basically I need a list of all of Gary's modifications and how they were >implemented to pass the details on. And if you don't mind I'll put him in >contact with u. I think a Gary Hall edition is a wonderful idea, but it shouldn't stop there. I can foresee a collection of PSP delay and phrase sampler plugs that pick up where Lexicon, Gary Hall, and Bob Sellon left off. It is a good thing to preserve the "spirit" of the original, but given the open-endedness of software there could be some remarkable extrapolations. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:01:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EHwhY09144; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:58:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:58:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c31a42$669af1a0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:58:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this PSP thing you're talking about open source? Where's the website for it? -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! > At 6:20 PM +0100 5/14/03, Geoff Smith wrote: > > >*****You mentioned that it included the extended > >delay time (60s) as well as reverse playback... Anything else? The other > >questions are how was the extended delay time displayed on the 4-digit > >display and how was the reverse playback activated?***** > > > >Could someone with a pcm42 send me the answer to the **** questions for the > >designer to make sure we get all of Gary's modifications on there. > >basically I need a list of all of Gary's modifications and how they were > >implemented to pass the details on. And if you don't mind I'll put him in > >contact with u. > > I think a Gary Hall edition is a wonderful idea, but it shouldn't > stop there. I can foresee a collection of PSP delay and phrase > sampler plugs that pick up where Lexicon, Gary Hall, and Bob Sellon > left off. It is a good thing to preserve the "spirit" of the > original, but given the open-endedness of software there could be > some remarkable extrapolations. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:01:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EI0KO10723; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:00:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:00:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:03:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1oK1cC.A.hkC.GQow-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 14/5/03 6:48 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 6:20 PM +0100 5/14/03, Geoff Smith wrote: > >> *****You mentioned that it included the extended >> delay time (60s) as well as reverse playback... Anything else? The other >> questions are how was the extended delay time displayed on the 4-digit >> display and how was the reverse playback activated?***** >> >> Could someone with a pcm42 send me the answer to the **** questions for the >> designer to make sure we get all of Gary's modifications on there. >> basically I need a list of all of Gary's modifications and how they were >> implemented to pass the details on. And if you don't mind I'll put him in >> contact with u. > > I think a Gary Hall edition is a wonderful idea, but it shouldn't > stop there. I can foresee a collection of PSP delay and phrase > sampler plugs that pick up where Lexicon, Gary Hall, and Bob Sellon > left off. It is a good thing to preserve the "spirit" of the > original, but given the open-endedness of software there could be > some remarkable extrapolations. Me too, and I'm very excited. Okay cancel the bombard bit thats just my youthful enthusiasm or ignorance! However I didn't post his email so that the promotions part of the company would get the interest. But your right I was wrong to say that. However it would be nice if the developer knew that there was interest in the development of phrase sampler/live-looper plug-in market. Any suggestions? Cheers Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:05:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EI3tO11301; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:03:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:07:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c31a42$669af1a0$bf08fc0c@amd> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2h6nEC.A.7vC.vTow-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.pspaudioware.com/ Its a vst plug-in with very simple midi automation which I approve of. on 14/5/03 6:58 pm, Jesse Ray Lucas at jlucas@neoprimitive.net wrote: > Is this PSP thing you're talking about open source? Where's the website for > it? > > -Jesse > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Zvonar" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! > > >> At 6:20 PM +0100 5/14/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >> >>> *****You mentioned that it included the extended >>> delay time (60s) as well as reverse playback... Anything else? The other >>> questions are how was the extended delay time displayed on the 4-digit >>> display and how was the reverse playback activated?***** >>> >>> Could someone with a pcm42 send me the answer to the **** questions for > the >>> designer to make sure we get all of Gary's modifications on there. >>> basically I need a list of all of Gary's modifications and how they were >>> implemented to pass the details on. And if you don't mind I'll put him in >>> contact with u. >> >> I think a Gary Hall edition is a wonderful idea, but it shouldn't >> stop there. I can foresee a collection of PSP delay and phrase >> sampler plugs that pick up where Lexicon, Gary Hall, and Bob Sellon >> left off. It is a good thing to preserve the "spirit" of the >> original, but given the open-endedness of software there could be >> some remarkable extrapolations. >> -- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://RZCybernetics.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:08:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EI4cM11508; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:04:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:04:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1052935461!23024 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB00E@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] OT- RE: Tony Blair -- closet looper???? Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:03:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C31A43.285E3720" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A43.285E3720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Please send British Prime Minister, Mr. Tony Blair, a Black Les Paul and a complimentary EDP so that he can follow in the cross-picking footsteps of the guitarist he admires so well.<< first of all, I'm pretty sure he's a confirmed fender-man, and the weight of a decent arch-top LP, in addition to the burden of running the country and bringing up young children might be too much. further evidence of the first statement is that the most recent blair junior was christened "leo". second, why should this clot have cool toys for free when we have to pay for them? third, british politics is repetitive and iterative enough without they start looping their speeches electronically. but it sort of makes sense that he should like C21SM of all the crimson tracks, since that's what he seems determined to turn us all into! carrying the strat into 10 downing street was surely a post-clinton friend-of-the-ordinary-people stunt, designed to attract the youth vote. I'll believe it when I see him showing off his chops in the dublin castle, and not a minute earlier. :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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>>Please send British Prime Minister, Mr. Tony Blai= r, a Black Les Paul and a
complimentary EDP so that he can follow in the cross-pic= king footsteps of
the guitarist he admires so well.<<

first of all, I'm pretty sure he's a confirmed fender-man= , and the weight of a decent arch-top LP, in addition to the burden of runn= ing the country and bringing up young children might be too much. further e= vidence of the first statement is that the most recent blair junior was chr= istened "leo".

second, why should this clot have cool toys for free when= we have to pay for them?
third, british politics is repetitive and iterative enou= gh without they start looping their speeches electronically.

but it sort of makes sense that he should like C21SM of a= ll the crimson tracks, since that's what he seems determined to turn us all= into!

carrying the strat into 10 downing street was surely a po= st-clinton friend-of-the-ordinary-people stunt, designed to attract the you= th vote. I'll believe it when I see him showing off his chops in the dublin= castle, and not a minute earlier. :-)

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A43.285E3720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:27:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EIQWS13979; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:26:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:26:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:23:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:03 PM +0100 5/14/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >Me too, and I'm very excited. Okay cancel the bombard bit thats just my >youthful enthusiasm or ignorance! >However I didn't post his email so that the promotions part of the company >would get the interest. >But your right I was wrong to say that. It's a small company, so any "buzz" about their products gets known to all of them quickly. >However it would be nice if the developer knew that there was interest in >the development of phrase sampler/live-looper plug-in market. I've sent him an e-mail pointing out that Loopers Delight is THE place for good ideas about product development and the best place to find prospective customers for any looping/sampling software they develop. I've encouraged him to subscribe to the list but offered to send him digests of pertinent discussions. Of course people are free to make direct contact with the company (that's what you and I did, with good results), but if we discuss a lot of our ideas here first we'll have the benefit of our collective intelligence. As we do this I think it's important to consider matters of coherence, tradition, design philosophy, etc. as they might apply to product development. PSP has begun to develop a product line based on emulations of classic analog and pre-DSP processors (cf. VintageWarmer), and their delay products have the blessing of Lexicon. It would make sense to pursue development in an organic way that builds on the Lexicon Prime Time/PCM-42 tradition, rather than (e.g.) create an EDP emulation. That's not to say they should avoid picking up ideas from other branches of the looping/sampling evolutionary tree, but that it might best be done in an incremental and connected way. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:31:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EITvF14629; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:29:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:29:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB00E@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB00E@LON-MAIL07> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:17:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: [looper's] OT- RE: Tony Blair -- closet looper???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:03 PM +0100 5/14/03, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>Please send British Prime Minister, Mr. Tony Blair, a Black Les Paul and a >complimentary EDP so that he can follow in the cross-picking footsteps of >the guitarist he admires so well.<< > >first of all, I'm pretty sure he's a confirmed fender-man, and the >weight of a decent arch-top LP, in addition to the burden of running >the country and bringing up young children might be too much. >further evidence of the first statement is that the most recent >blair junior was christened "leo". > >second, why should this clot have cool toys for free when we have to >pay for them? >third, british politics is repetitive and iterative enough without >they start looping their speeches electronically. > >but it sort of makes sense that he should like C21SM of all the >crimson tracks, since that's what he seems determined to turn us all >into! > >carrying the strat into 10 downing street was surely a post-clinton >friend-of-the-ordinary-people stunt, designed to attract the youth >vote. I'll believe it when I see him showing off his chops in the >dublin castle, and not a minute earlier. :-) > >duncan. > You Brits are light-years ahead of us in that regard these days --as I'm sure you all know(-: -- "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" -- Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11 "Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose". -- Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11 Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:41:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EIeAI15993; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:40:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:40:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c31a48$34bc9ed0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: csound for software looper? Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:39:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would csound provide a viable platform for writing a real-time software looper? There are real-time versions for Windows (DirectCSound) and Linux audio users are telling me that csound for Linux can work in realtime. If I looper was written in csound it would be portable to all major platforms (Mac/Win/Unix), provided a user's audio drivers and hardware could get good enough latencies for real-time work. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:00:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EIs4P18320; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:54:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:54:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Live processing w/ plugins (Was: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:51:08 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/14/2003 02:51:10 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This news from PSP is very exciting....and I feel very secure knowing that Dr. Z, et.al. are going to contribute ideas. I'd like to start a related thread about using computers and plugins as real-time processors of live audio. The PSP "Lexicons" are ideal for inserting into apps like Bias' VBox and tc Spark's FX Machine, both of which have given me very acceptable latency for live guitar processing in OSX. What seems to me to be missing is a really rich soft-structure for hosting plugins. I want to see a plug-in shell that accepts MIDI controllers and offers a mod matrix and built-in modulators, like LFOs, envelops, and even timelines with graphical editing, available to all plugin and routing parameters, streamlined for live audio use, not within a sequencer. We seem to be on the verge of this, with programs like the ones I mentioned, plus Live and RTPlayer...but no one that I'm aware of has brought it all together...maybe PSP would be interested? Comments? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:03:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EIx7b20134; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:59:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:59:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:58:52 -0400 Subject: Digitech/DOD loop setup FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <70B063A3.16AA4851.0C32E62B@aol.com> Message-Id: <1AD06D1E-863E-11D7-B4DC-000393DAB2B8@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a pair of 1u rackmount delays that I think would be a swell combo for beginning or midlevel loopers. An RDS 8000 Time Machine has plenty of knobs for fooling about and 8 seconds of delay, and a DOD R-908 is a nice warm sounding 1 second unit. Both (in very good shape) for $120 plus shipping from NYC. I have so much gear that these are just sitting around. Hope someone can use 'em... David Lee Myers Feedback Music at http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:05:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EJ4SA20989; Wed, 14 May 2003 15:04:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:04:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c31a4b$9b7d5ee0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Live processing w/ plugins Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:04:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <86jvMB.A.NHF.wMpw-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ever looked at AudioMulch (http://www.audiomulch.com/)? It works like a stand alone modular processor with every parameter of every effect automatable AND supports VST plugins. Now, the whether the VST plugins you use with it are automatable is the responsibility of the plugin vendor. Are all VST plugins fully automatable? I don't know, as I use DirectX shite with Sonar. I know most of my DirectX plugins don't have automatable controls. Booty. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Live processing w/ plugins (Was: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!!) > > This news from PSP is very exciting....and I feel very secure knowing that > Dr. Z, et.al. are going to contribute ideas. > I'd like to start a related thread about using computers and plugins as > real-time processors of live audio. The PSP "Lexicons" are ideal for > inserting into apps like Bias' VBox and tc Spark's FX Machine, both of > which have given me very acceptable latency for live guitar processing in > OSX. What seems to me to be missing is a really rich soft-structure for > hosting plugins. I want to see a plug-in shell that accepts MIDI > controllers and offers a mod matrix and built-in modulators, like LFOs, > envelops, and even timelines with graphical editing, available to all > plugin and routing parameters, streamlined for live audio use, not within a > sequencer. We seem to be on the verge of this, with programs like the ones > I mentioned, plus Live and RTPlayer...but no one that I'm aware of has > brought it all together...maybe PSP would be interested? > Comments? > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:17:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EJFZZ22854; Wed, 14 May 2003 15:15:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:15:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Live processing w/ plugins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:16:17 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/14/2003 03:16:20 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Looks neat...too bad it's not for Macs, too! But it also looks a bit unwieldy for what I'm thinking of. Max/MSP is a similar monster. What's driving my desire is a graphic (NO CODING!) software version of, say, a tc FireworX or an Eventide Orville, with VST (or AU, DX, whatever) plugins supplying the processing modules, and the host supplying the routing, automation, and MIDI control functions in a rich and thoughtful, not stripped-down, way. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 16:08:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EK4le29927; Wed, 14 May 2003 16:04:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:04:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030514200434.45543.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Fripp's volume pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200304230950.h3N9oNN09889@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-cx0p.A.uSH.UFqw-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Actually, I think he only used it for ten years, but I do believe you're right that it was the cheapest one that he could find, back in 68 or whenever it was. In 1980, I think it was, Boss put out their new series of volume pedals, the FV series, I think it was called, and that was the finally when he switched allegiances. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 16:37:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EKXxo01683; Wed, 14 May 2003 16:33:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:33:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c31a58$17bc0c70$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Captain LaFosse's foot gear... Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:33:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What pedalboard do you use for Echoplex control, Andre? Just the stock controller? You fucking ninja, you. Are you out there? -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 17:04:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EL3ik08109; Wed, 14 May 2003 17:03:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:03:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:02:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6FB693BD-864F-11D7-AAE7-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ooo, this is good news indeed. If MOTU ever gets around to sending my OSX upgrade, this will become a welcome addition to my rig. If it allows me to do laptop looping with my iBook, I'll be in looper heaven. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 11:07 AM, Geoff Smith wrote: > http://www.pspaudioware.com/ > Its a vst plug-in with very simple midi automation which I approve of. > > on 14/5/03 6:58 pm, Jesse Ray Lucas at jlucas@neoprimitive.net wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 17:35:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ELYDv12710; Wed, 14 May 2003 17:34:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:34:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c31a60$8645f4a0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Search for granular footpedal-osity... Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:33:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah... the PMC-10... Anyone have an extra one laying around (Ebay says, "0 items found for digitech pmc-10") Or an equivalently powerful footpedal that is in production today? I know someone mentioned the MIDI Mitigator once, but those are few and far between as well, it seems. I have a PC1600X, but I need something I can step on, being a bass player. I had this idea today about playing funky basslines live with certain notes being granulated within them. The trouble is that I can't seem to get a consistently short loop out of the EDP foot pedal. By doing the filler bytes (00 00 00 00 00 00 00) trick Claude suggests below, I could have several loop lengths specified to different pedals which would give different granular "tones" to notes, and be consistent about it. And, ossibly even have the loops continue only while the pedal is down, rather than having to record silence to clear out the loop. -Jesse > In delay mode and sus with some advanced midi controler (peavey PC1600x > or digitech pmc 10) you can enter back to back note on / note off that > give the smallest edp loop midi can give the you can increase the loop > time by inserting null midi bytes (00) between note on note off > > all hex: 90 26 7f , 90 26 00 note on note off the smallest > possible > > 90 26 7f 00 90 26 00 one 00 byte spacer > > 90 26 7f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 90 26 > 00 a loonger loop with more spacers > > I call that resonator mode > > Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 18:05:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ELwvY15733; Wed, 14 May 2003 17:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:58:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:57:58 -0400 From: cram@panix.com Subject: re: Long Island Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3EC283A6.14976.65844@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, I'll check in. I'm in Cedarhurst, NY. Currently I haven't the time to learn about the excellent loop devices I have (Boomerang Plus, and EDP). I play only in my home, by myself. Guitar is my primary instrument, but I', still a baby player there (only playing for a few years). Let me know if there is a gathering on the Island, and Ill see if I can make it. At some point my wife is gonna expect me to produce something out of all this gear! :-) Craig Ramseur~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life goes on within you and without you. -- George Harrison Craig Ramseur cram@panix.com Listen at: www.soundclick.com\craigramseur ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 18:44:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EMgfE23983; Wed, 14 May 2003 18:42:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:42:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:46:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 14/5/03 7:23 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > > As we do this I think it's important to consider matters of > coherence, tradition, design philosophy, etc. as they might apply to > product development. PSP has begun to develop a product line based on > emulations of classic analog and pre-DSP processors (cf. > VintageWarmer), and their delay products have the blessing of > Lexicon. It would make sense to pursue development in an organic way > that builds on the Lexicon Prime Time/PCM-42 tradition, rather than > (e.g.) create an EDP emulation. That's not to say they should avoid > picking up ideas from other branches of the looping/sampling > evolutionary tree, but that it might best be done in an incremental > and connected way. I agree if you want an EDP u can buy one, the psp42 has the potential to develop in a different and thus thoroughly useful way. For example I would be very content to use a psp42 with gary hall's upgrade options implemented, for example the fact its sync-able to the host application and you can run as many plug-ins as you like is enough of an upgrade to keep me happy for years. A stable, brilliant sounding software looper. That is enough of an achievement right there! The Laptop looper it about to arrive, the only issue perhaps now being the best way to host it for live use. Perhaps someone will create a max/msp patch that allows u to run 8 psp42's and switch the same audio input between them without glitching. That would be the final piece in the puzzle. Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 18:57:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EMk2E24672; Wed, 14 May 2003 18:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:46:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:49:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Live processing w/ plugins (Was: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!!) From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 14/5/03 7:51 pm, dcoffin@taunton.com at dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: > > This news from PSP is very exciting....and I feel very secure knowing that > Dr. Z, et.al. are going to contribute ideas. > I'd like to start a related thread about using computers and plugins as > real-time processors of live audio. The PSP "Lexicons" are ideal for > inserting into apps like Bias' VBox and tc Spark's FX Machine, both of > which have given me very acceptable latency for live guitar processing in > OSX. What seems to me to be missing is a really rich soft-structure for > hosting plugins. I want to see a plug-in shell that accepts MIDI > controllers and offers a mod matrix and built-in modulators, like LFOs, > envelops, and even timelines with graphical editing, available to all > plugin and routing parameters, streamlined for live audio use, not within a > sequencer. We seem to be on the verge of this, with programs like the ones > I mentioned, plus Live and RTPlayer...but no one that I'm aware of has > brought it all together...maybe PSP would be interested? > Comments? > David > Agreed however i would only require a virtual rack that enabled me to redirect the audio input via a midi controller, nothing more. I think I remember per boysen mentioning that he had done this in Max/Msp. Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 19:21:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ENKol31157; Wed, 14 May 2003 19:20:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:20:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.199.225] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: an interesting Loopping technique Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:20:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2003 23:20:26.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[66FC2B00:01C31A6F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Several threads ago, there were some questions raised as to any techniques members of the list might have developed to help make loop points (the tap in and out of a loop) more “seamless”. I accidentally stumbled upon just such a technique, which has greatly helped the rhythmic quality and “seamless-ness” of my looping and so thought I might share it. I might point out, that usually I consider any “glitch” in the loop to be “incidental” rather than “accidental”, and thus can incorporate it into the loop, even though it might be a garish “error” with an obvious skip to it. The trick there is to make the skip part of the piece…. ….but mostly I am referring to small timing errors which, although the do not seem as obvious as “jumps” still are enough to annoy and frustrate. Probably the biggest point is to play through the end of a loop. That is to say, that as you punch out, play along with the part and into the looped part. This helps lose any noticeable “pops” in the loop points. To aid in the timing of your loop tap ins and outs, you need do develop your rhythmic acuity. One way I have found to be a great help is to hook up a drum machine along with whatever is your primary instrument, in my case bass, to separate channels of a mixer and put the looper into the aux send and return. Be sure to return the looping device to the aux return and not a separate channel. The idea here is “record” the drum machine along with whatever you are looping. If your timing is perfect the drum parts will be flawless, until they start to drift do to lack of sync(yes, btw, don’t sync the looper and drum machine as that will defeat the purpose of the whole technique). That is to say there will be no audible “flam”, glitch or other audio inconsistency. If your timing is just a hair off, something like 10-20ms, you will get a phasing effect from the looped drum part and the original sequence being slightly off. With practice you can lose this phasing effect, and gain a newfound “tightness” to your loops. If your timing is further off, there will be obvious flams, and glitches and other audio ugliness. I use this technique as a regular practice for my looping, and it has helped greatly. It has made it possible for me to really the hear the loops as a sort of audio landscape, and with a higher degree of accuracy in setting the loop points I can proceed with real-time playing or overdubs just as the loop begins to play…again greatly benefiting a “seamless” quality. Of course, with any loop tap, MIDI or otherwise, there is a slight latency, and what you are doing is learning to compensate for this. This is not a performance technique, but rather a practice technique which I have found has greatly improved the rhythmic quality of my loops. Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 20:27:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F0QBZ07473; Wed, 14 May 2003 20:26:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:26:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030514191751.02c36a20@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:22:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:46 PM 5/14/2003 +0100, Geoff Smith wrote: >Perhaps someone will create a max/msp patch that allows u to run 8 psp42's >and switch the same audio input between them without glitching. That would >be the final piece in the puzzle. Hrm, it seems as if you ought to be able to do something like that pretty easily from either VBox or Spark. Or perhaps one of the widgets in Cycling 74's Pluggo...? Unfortunately, I'm not a regular user of those programs so I can't say for certain. They're some possibilities to hopefully get you started, however. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 20:38:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F0cCW08685; Wed, 14 May 2003 20:38:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:38:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:37:54 -0700 Subject: Re: csound for software looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: nathan pease To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002b01c31a48$34bc9ed0$bf08fc0c@amd> Message-Id: <778801EB-866D-11D7-867A-000393CE40C6@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it seems like it should be possible to write a looper in csound. I wrote a looper in max/msp that seems to work well, It's been a while since I've worked with csound but I expect that it could be done. If you are familiar with csound, try it out and let us know how it goes! If you're not familiar with csound you might talk to some people who are first and then decide whether it's worth trying to learn. If you go to www.csounds.org that will have links to the mailing list. nathan On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Would csound provide a viable platform for writing a real-time software > looper? There are real-time versions for Windows (DirectCSound) and > Linux > audio users are telling me that csound for Linux can work in realtime. > > If I looper was written in csound it would be portable to all major > platforms (Mac/Win/Unix), provided a user's audio drivers and hardware > could > get good enough latencies for real-time work. > > -J > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 20:55:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F0slq10696; Wed, 14 May 2003 20:54:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:54:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1052960072.3ec2e54864379@nalutech.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:54:32 -0400 From: Rich Schiavi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Michael LaMeyer Subject: RE: midi control SW sampler live/hands free References: <001201c31a3b$2de4fc40$500a230a@ws42554> In-Reply-To: <001201c31a3b$2de4fc40$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 66.14.171.32 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server18.pronicsolutions.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [32001 502] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - server18.pronicsolutions.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Googling around I saw a Yamaha MFC10 foot controller which specs say will send note on and note off. Sounds like it might be in the ballpark to be able to start setting up and triggering samplers from a computer/sampler. Anyone have one? Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 21:02:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F11GV12789; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulzric@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.2cef8b85.2bf440c7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:00:55 EDT Subject: Re: Captain LaFosse's foot gear... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought he used Digitech PMC-10s, but I'm not him, so ... it's for what it's worth. Anyway, they're coveted, discontinued footpedals and are hard to find. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 21:28:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F1S1j15594; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:28:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EC2EFD3.6B4F15D4@erols.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:39:31 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm about two weeks away from ordering an EDP+.(I currently use DL-4 for my live looping) My question is in regard to footpedals. I had planned to just get the EFC-7. However, I've been thinking about getting an FCB-1010 instead. I know that some people use both pedals in their set-up. Is anybody using just a FCB-1010 to control their EDP? If so, can you share how it's going. I'm concerned about floorspace at my live gigs (I play a lot of coffeeshops and small bars) I'm also thinking of condensing a lot of my effects pedals into some rack mounted multi-effects processor(like a Lexicon MPX-200). I know that the FCB-1010 would be able to control that as well. If I control multiple devices(EDP+, MPX-200, POD) with one controller (FCB-1010) that would be super. Am I expecting too much? Should I just get an EFC-7 and stick with my effects pedals instead? Thanks for your time, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 00:16:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F4F0x05598; Thu, 15 May 2003 00:15:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:15:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c31a98$4f7191e0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: an interesting Loopping technique Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:13:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as well seamless looping requires practice practice practice! not unlike knowing your exact torque of a wrench as a mechanic by feel. seamlessly yours, jg ----- Original Message ----- From: max valentino To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: an interesting Loopping technique > > Several threads ago, there were some questions raised as to any techniques > members of the list might have developed to help make loop points (the tap > in and out of a loop) more "seamless". > I accidentally stumbled upon just such a technique, which has greatly helped > the rhythmic quality and "seamless-ness" of my looping and so thought I > might share it. > > I might point out, that usually I consider any "glitch" in the loop to be > "incidental" rather than "accidental", and thus can incorporate it into the > loop, even though it might be a garish "error" with an obvious skip to it. > The trick there is to make the skip part of the piece.. > ..but mostly I am referring to small timing errors which, although the do > not seem as obvious as "jumps" still are enough to annoy and frustrate. > > Probably the biggest point is to play through the end of a loop. That is to > say, that as you punch out, play along with the part and into the looped > part. This helps lose any noticeable "pops" in the loop points. > > To aid in the timing of your loop tap ins and outs, you need do develop your > rhythmic acuity. One way I have found to be a great help is to hook up a > drum machine along with whatever is your primary instrument, in my case > bass, to separate channels of a mixer and put the looper into the aux send > and return. Be sure to return the looping device to the aux return and not > a separate channel. The idea here is "record" the drum machine along with > whatever you are looping. If your timing is perfect the drum parts will be > flawless, until they start to drift do to lack of sync(yes, btw, don't sync > the looper and drum machine as that will defeat the purpose of the whole > technique). That is to say there will be no audible "flam", glitch or other > audio inconsistency. > > If your timing is just a hair off, something like 10-20ms, you will get a > phasing effect from the looped drum part and the original sequence being > slightly off. With practice you can lose this phasing effect, and gain a > newfound "tightness" to your loops. If your timing is further off, there > will be obvious flams, and glitches and other audio ugliness. I use this > technique as a regular practice for my looping, and it has helped greatly. > It has made it possible for me to really the hear the loops as a sort of > audio landscape, and with a higher degree of accuracy in setting the loop > points I can proceed with real-time playing or overdubs just as the loop > begins to play.again greatly benefiting a "seamless" quality. > > Of course, with any loop tap, MIDI or otherwise, there is a slight latency, > and what you are doing is learning to compensate for this. This is not a > performance technique, but rather a practice technique which I have found > has greatly improved the rhythmic quality of my loops. > > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 00:19:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F4Iat06597; Thu, 15 May 2003 00:18:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:18:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: csound for software looper? References: <002b01c31a48$34bc9ed0$bf08fc0c@amd> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:17:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: <002b01c31a48$34bc9ed0$bf08fc0c@amd> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm no csound expert, but a friend of mine wrote one of the windows versions, and it was pretty much a fight to get csound to do something it really wasn't designed to do (working in real time). After gaining a certain amount of success, he rewrote the whole thing in PD and seems to be much happier with it now. You can see it here: http://www.glennianaro.com/software.htm If you listen to the music examples, the first 3 tracks are with me on guitar :) Ernesto On Wed, 14 May 2003 12:39:51 -0600, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Would csound provide a viable platform for writing a real-time software > looper? There are real-time versions for Windows (DirectCSound) and > Linux > audio users are telling me that csound for Linux can work in realtime. > > If I looper was written in csound it would be portable to all major > platforms (Mac/Win/Unix), provided a user's audio drivers and hardware > could > get good enough latencies for real-time work. > > -J > > > > > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 00:24:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F4OWx08182; Thu, 15 May 2003 00:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:24:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030514223011.0153e550@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:30:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 In-Reply-To: <3EC2EFD3.6B4F15D4@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, I'm currently just using an FCB 1010 to control my EDP. It works quite nicely. You can hear a track from a recent coffee shop performance at: http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates It's called Naked Blues, and is located on the music page. All of the EDP control is done with just the FCB. Smiles, Cara At 09:39 PM 5/14/03 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > I'm about two weeks away from ordering an EDP+.(I currently use DL-4 >for my live looping) My question is in regard to footpedals. I had >planned to just get the EFC-7. However, I've been thinking about >getting an FCB-1010 instead. I know that some people use both pedals in >their set-up. Is anybody using just a FCB-1010 to control their EDP? >If so, can you share how it's going. I'm concerned about floorspace at >my live gigs (I play a lot of coffeeshops and small bars) I'm also >thinking of condensing a lot of my effects pedals into some rack mounted >multi-effects processor(like a Lexicon MPX-200). I know that the >FCB-1010 would be able to control that as well. If I control multiple >devices(EDP+, MPX-200, POD) with one controller (FCB-1010) that would be >super. Am I expecting too much? Should I just get an EFC-7 and stick >with my effects pedals instead? > >Thanks for your time, >John >www.johnmazzarella.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 00:28:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F4Ref09188; Thu, 15 May 2003 00:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:27:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030514223321.0153e830@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:33:21 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: midi control SW sampler live/hands free In-Reply-To: <001201c31a3b$2de4fc40$500a230a@ws42554> References: <00e601c319c5$94d42a50$bf08fc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The FCB 1010 sends NOTE ON 0, upon releasing a pedal, which acts as a NOTE OFF message. Smiles, Cara At 01:06 PM 5/14/03 -0400, you wrote: >The midi implementation of the 1010 is actually such that the device has 10 >'slots' so to speak. 5 PC slots, 2 CC slots, 1 Note ON slot (the 1010 does >NOT send Note OFFs) and then two assignable expression pedals which transmit >1 CC message type each (per preset). > >Each of these 'slots' is globally assigned to a midi channel. Ergo, if you >assign the Note ON 'slot' to midi channel 3, you can only program presets to >send a midi Note ON out on midi channel 3. If you wanted to send a midi >Note ON message on any other midi channel, you'd have to change the global >midi channel assignment for Note ONs and this change would apply to ALL 1010 >presets that were programed to send this type of midi message. Right now >though, holding a footswitch down will is not functionally different than >pressing it momentarily. The 1010 does not interpret the act of holding >down a footswitch, all programed functions are sent upon the intial press >(expression pedals work differently of course, sending out appropriate midi >CC values when you sweep them). > >You're correct in that the 1010 cannot send any midi messages upon the >release of a footswitch, only the press. This is the biggest limitation for >me, although they may release a firmware update at some point to change >this, assuming they think it's worth the effort and the physical device can >support it (I think it should). Note OFFs would then be possible with this >implementation. > >With regards to selecting an appropriate loop or sample in a software >program via the 1010, the software program would have to support this >function via either PC or CC messages, and then the 1010 could do this, >easily in fact. > >Mike > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:05 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; rich@nalutech.com >> Subject: Re: midi control SW sampler live/hands free >> >> >> Rich- >> >> Get any MIDI foot controller that sends MIDI note on >> messages. I'm looking >> at the Behringer FCB1010 right now. Super cheap and >> programmable. A couple >> caveats: I've heard, is that each program on the FCB1010 can >> only send on >> one channel. You could get around this by having multiple >> programs set up >> to send on different channels and switching between them with >> your feet. >> What you want sounds like "one-shot" mode (note-on message >> plays the sample >> through one time regardless of the length of the trigger >> note), and loop. >> Another thing about the FCB1010 that I've picked up is that >> the release >> command of the pedals is not programmable. This means that you can't >> program the button to only send a note on message, which would let you >> sustain a loop until you pressed another pedal with a note off message >> programmed into it. Thus, if you wanted to sustain a loop with that >> particular MIDI controller pedal I believe you would have to >> keep your foot >> on the triggering pedal. >> >> For software samplers I've got to recommend Native Instruments Kontakt >> (www.nativeinstruments.com). Built in effects and modulation options >> limited only by CPU power. Very intuitive sample mapping >> functions. And >> *all* parameters are controllable via MIDI. So, you could >> use the two foot >> pedals on the FCB1010 to control filter cutoff, or pitch, or >> reverb mix, or >> whatever. >> >> Cost is $300+, but considering all that it offers above an expensive >> hardware sampler solution(limitless effects, limitless LFOs, >> the list goes >> on and on), it's reasonable. There is a warez version of Kontakt 1.01 >> floating around out there if you want to download it and try >> it out (I'm not >> responsible for any viruses you get!). It's not completely >> stable, however, >> and you can't get to Native's website to download the upgrade >> to v1.2, which >> offers all kinds of goodies like direct from disk streaming >> support, and >> ability to map controllers 7 and 10 to volume and pan >> controls, respectively >> (a curiously absent feature). >> >> Just keep in mind, if you intend to devote a lot of time to a piece of >> software and your music is going to be reliant upon it, it's >> worth your >> money to support it so the company doesn't drop it and leave >> you hanging. >> And while you're at it, badger them to make Linux versions of their >> software! >> >> -Jesse >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rich Schiavi" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:32 PM >> Subject: midi control SW sampler live/hands free >> >> >> > >> > for a guitarist/echoplex users, i want to be able to >> trigger samples from >> > software samplers. i'm looking at acid pro and ableton, and >> looking at >> unity. >> > my main question is, i'm trying to figure out a way to use >> a midi foot >> > controller to select a particular sample (or program or >> sample from a >> bank?) >> > and start/stop that particular sample, all from a midi foot >> controller so >> i can >> > keep my hands on the guitar/etc/instrument. >> > >> > has anyone got this working? i messed around with my rolls >> midi buddy and >> > ableton and acid pro but couldn't see anything to get it to >> select and >> trigger >> > a sample to start playing (continuous) or one time, etc. >> > >> > thanks for ideas/suggestions. >> > >> > rich >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 00:32:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F4LsV07643; Thu, 15 May 2003 00:21:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:21:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live processing w/ plugins References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:21:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is exactly what Audiomulch does, there is no coding. It just has it's own array of plugins in addition to whatever VST plugins you get. It is actually very easy and intuitive to use. Ernesto On Wed, 14 May 2003 15:16:17 -0400, wrote: > <> > > Looks neat...too bad it's not for Macs, too! > But it also looks a bit unwieldy for what I'm thinking of. Max/MSP is a > similar monster. What's driving my desire is a graphic (NO CODING!) > software version of, say, a tc FireworX or an Eventide Orville, with VST > (or AU, DX, whatever) plugins supplying the processing modules, and the > host supplying the routing, automation, and MIDI control functions in a > rich and thoughtful, not stripped-down, way. > David > > > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 01:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F5HWd16695; Thu, 15 May 2003 01:17:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 01:17:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 01:17:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c31aa1$3f383190$2f2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3EC2EFD3.6B4F15D4@erols.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the FCB to control the EDP (that sounds weird). Problem you run into, is that you have to specify on the FCB 1 global channel to use note on messages. That means you are stuck controlling the EDP with note on messages. Occasionally I like to trigger bass notes on my synth, so I have to bring the EFC-7, or go into 'global setup mode' on the FCB and change the midi channel, which requires powering the FCB down, holding a button and turning it on. Not fun to do live. The FCB *should* have the 'note-on' device set per preset, not globally. In fact, the one limitation of the FCB is that you have to set Expression & CC channels globally too. You have to commit them to controlling 1 device. Maybe they will change this with an upgrade, or maybe will figure out a way to program the eeprom themselves. Who knows. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com >Is anybody using just a FCB-1010 to control their > EDP? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 01:24:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F5N9f17429; Thu, 15 May 2003 01:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 01:23:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301c31aa2$0265b570$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030514223011.0153e550@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:22:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cara- That's great! How did you do the smaller and smaller granulation at the end of that tune??? Changing the start point? Or were you triggering with something??? That's awesome! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgh! Awesome! -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:30 PM Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 > John, I'm currently just using an FCB 1010 to control my EDP. It works > quite nicely. You can hear a track from a recent coffee shop performance > at: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > It's called Naked Blues, and is located on the music page. All of the > EDP control is done with just the FCB. > > Smiles, > > Cara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 04:14:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F8Ckl04996; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 04:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.2f9a2c99.2bf4a5ed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 04:12:29 EDT Subject: RE: midi control SW sampler live/hands free To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <6jij-.A.xNB.0v0w-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > (the 1010 does > NOT send Note OFFs) the FCB1010 sends note-OFF when you release the footswitch (or an equivalent note-ON with vel=0) >Googling around I saw a Yamaha MFC10 foot controller which specs say will send >note on and note off. Sounds like it might be in the ballpark to be able to >start setting up and triggering samplers from a computer/sampler. > >Anyone have one? Yes, I have a MFC10, it's easy to program and got lots of nice features. However there's an incredible delay between hitting the switch and getting a response, almost 100ms!!! This delay was confirmed by Yamaha UK tech support. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 04:23:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F8NAA05847; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 04:23:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.14adba51.2bf4a85f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 04:22:55 EDT Subject: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is anybody using just a FCB-1010 to control their EDP? Yes, it works fine. Gives you much better access to Loop4 features than the EFC-7 > devices(EDP+, MPX-200, POD) with one controller (FCB-1010) that would be > super. Am I expecting too much? should be OK > Should I just get an EFC-7 and stick > with my effects pedals instead? depends how many EDP features you want to use. Also consider that an analogue foot pedal (vol pedal type) like the Boss FV-50L will give you access to 3 EDP Modes that you can't use without. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 04:36:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F8Ysp07126; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:34:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 04:34:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c31abc$74ccf9b0$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <002c01c31a60$8645f4a0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Search for granular footpedal-osity... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:32:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse do you know that you can remote your pc1600x from a footcontroler "Button emulation " in the globals.The source of the remote can be note ons/off or prg ch from there, on the pc1600x, a button can be anything (sys, controlers, mltiple messages, scenes,start/stop messages etc.......) so a simple footcontroler (like the behringer) + a pc1600x and you have much much more than a pmc10 the PC1600x is very powerfull and there is a complete pc editor at http://www.kvitek.com/midi/ Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: Search for granular footpedal-osity... > Ah... the PMC-10... Anyone have an extra one laying around (Ebay says, "0 > items found for digitech pmc-10") Or an equivalently powerful footpedal > that is in production today? > > I know someone mentioned the MIDI Mitigator once, but those are few and far > between as well, it seems. > > I have a PC1600X, but I need something I can step on, being a bass player. > I had this idea today about playing funky basslines live with certain notes > being granulated within them. The trouble is that I can't seem to get a > consistently short loop out of the EDP foot pedal. By doing the filler > bytes (00 00 00 00 00 00 00) trick Claude suggests below, I could have > several loop lengths specified to different pedals which would give > different granular "tones" to notes, and be consistent about it. And, > ossibly even have the loops continue only while the pedal is down, rather > than having to record silence to clear out the loop. > > -Jesse > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 10:32:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FEVE615018; Thu, 15 May 2003 10:31:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:31:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030515143100.8604.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7_lkaB.A.RqD.mS6w-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have both an EFC-7 and an FCB-1010 in my setup. The FCB-1010 used to control my Repeater, and I was quite happy with that, but when I bought my EDP I made sure to get an EFC-7 as well, for 2 reasons: 1. The FCB-1010 also controls my Genesis3 preamp, and having a dedicated footpedal for the EDP (or at least the basic functions) means less bank switching during performance. I'm not ruling out using the FCB-1010 later to access deeper EDP functions, but I want to thoroughly familiarize myself with the basic functions first. 2. If you're using the LoopIV software, you can't really utilize the new SUS functions, which are in operation only as long as the button is held down (the FCB doesn't support sustained presses). If anyone else has found a workaround for this (Cara, maybe?), I'd be curious to find out how. Just my $0.02... Later, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com Beauty - no matter how disturbing or how still - is always true. Don't be afraid to let go of the things you know. Defy your weaker, safer self. Create. Make music. -Sonny Sharrock __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 10:49:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FEkRL16743; Thu, 15 May 2003 10:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:47:22 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/15/2003 10:47:23 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << >Perhaps someone will create a max/msp patch that allows u to run 8 psp42's >and switch the same audio input between them without glitching. That would >be the final piece in the puzzle. This is a grweat example of exactly what I'm looking for in a plug-in host. <> Unfortunately, neither VBox or Spark currently offer any way to automate or modulate routings, or anything else. And you can only control plug-in parameters for those plug ins that offer this functionality on their own, which is not many. Pluggo may already provide this flexibility but I won't be able to really check this out until it becomes OSX and multi-processor savvy. Anybody else explored its modulation and routing possibilties? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 10:52:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FEoLX17252; Thu, 15 May 2003 10:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! - Plugzilla? Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:44:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c31af0$895e55c0$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030514191751.02c36a20@icicle.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plugzilla (hardware VST host - http://www.plugzilla.com/) was supposed to be shipping last month. Anyone see/touch it yet? It's supposed to be able to handle up to 32 channels of reverb (I don't know who's reverb they're talking about) and up to 8 plug-ins. Might be more reliable than a laptop for performing, but more expensive (and you can't surf the net on it *shrug*). I'm curious to see where it goes, and if it's successful. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! > > > At 11:46 PM 5/14/2003 +0100, Geoff Smith wrote: > > >Perhaps someone will create a max/msp patch that allows u to > run 8 psp42's > >and switch the same audio input between them without > glitching. That would > >be the final piece in the puzzle. > > Hrm, it seems as if you ought to be able to do something like > that pretty > easily from either VBox or Spark. Or perhaps one of the > widgets in Cycling > 74's Pluggo...? > > Unfortunately, I'm not a regular user of those programs so I > can't say for > certain. They're some possibilities to hopefully get you > started, however. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 10:54:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FEsIs17695; Thu, 15 May 2003 10:54:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:54:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! - Plugzilla? Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:49:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c31af1$250486c0$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoah, it's $3,500 US. Gah!!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:48 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! - > Plugzilla? > > > PSP42 does appear on the compatibility list, with an asterisk > next to it (not sure what that means), so they may have even > tested it ... > > http://www.plugzilla.com/specs/pluginlist.htm/view > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] > > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:45 AM > > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > > Subject: RE: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! - > > Plugzilla? > > > > > > Plugzilla (hardware VST host - http://www.plugzilla.com/) was > > supposed to be shipping last month. Anyone see/touch it yet? > > It's supposed to be able to handle up to 32 channels of > > reverb (I don't know who's reverb they're talking about) and > > up to 8 plug-ins. Might be more reliable than a laptop for > > performing, but more expensive (and you can't surf the net on > > it *shrug*). I'm curious to see where it goes, and if it's > > successful. > > > > Mike > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:23 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! > > > > > > > > > At 11:46 PM 5/14/2003 +0100, Geoff Smith wrote: > > > > > > >Perhaps someone will create a max/msp patch that allows u to > > > run 8 psp42's > > > >and switch the same audio input between them without > > > glitching. That would > > > >be the final piece in the puzzle. > > > > > > Hrm, it seems as if you ought to be able to do something like > > > that pretty > > > easily from either VBox or Spark. Or perhaps one of the > > > widgets in Cycling > > > 74's Pluggo...? > > > > > > Unfortunately, I'm not a regular user of those programs so I > > > can't say for > > > certain. They're some possibilities to hopefully get you > > > started, however. > > > > > > -c- > > > > > > _____ > > > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what > reaches back" > > > -recoil > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 10:55:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FEr1q17585; Thu, 15 May 2003 10:53:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:53:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! - Plugzilla? Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:47:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c31af0$f7f074f0$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PSP42 does appear on the compatibility list, with an asterisk next to it (not sure what that means), so they may have even tested it ... http://www.plugzilla.com/specs/pluginlist.htm/view > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:45 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! - > Plugzilla? > > > Plugzilla (hardware VST host - http://www.plugzilla.com/) was > supposed to be shipping last month. Anyone see/touch it yet? > It's supposed to be able to handle up to 32 channels of > reverb (I don't know who's reverb they're talking about) and > up to 8 plug-ins. Might be more reliable than a laptop for > performing, but more expensive (and you can't surf the net on > it *shrug*). I'm curious to see where it goes, and if it's > successful. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:23 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! > > > > > > At 11:46 PM 5/14/2003 +0100, Geoff Smith wrote: > > > > >Perhaps someone will create a max/msp patch that allows u to > > run 8 psp42's > > >and switch the same audio input between them without > > glitching. That would > > >be the final piece in the puzzle. > > > > Hrm, it seems as if you ought to be able to do something like > > that pretty > > easily from either VBox or Spark. Or perhaps one of the > > widgets in Cycling > > 74's Pluggo...? > > > > Unfortunately, I'm not a regular user of those programs so I > > can't say for > > certain. They're some possibilities to hopefully get you > > started, however. > > > > -c- > > > > _____ > > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > > -recoil > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 11:14:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FFBbw21400; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:11:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:11:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: - Plugzilla? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:12:49 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/15/2003 11:12:51 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Yeah, exactly! WHAT are they thinking?!?!? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 11:15:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FFBSA21347; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030515091717.0084fce0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:17:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 In-Reply-To: <00a301c31aa2$0265b570$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <3.0.5.32.20030514223011.0153e550@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse, this actually ties in with what we've been discussing here lately. IT's done with a sus unrounded multiply. I have the note number programmed into a pedal on the FCB, and keep pressing and releasing the pedal faster and faster to make the loop smaller and smaller. Jimmy George calls it the bug noises. I dig the effect from listening to techno and such, and heard Andre doing it with the plex for the first time at the show we played in Palo Alto this Jan. I come out of it in several ways, and on that recording, was using insert sus to then add many small sections to the tiny loop to make it larger again, and create another rhythm to work from. Another way I've just started coming out of that with, is remultiplying the window length once the loop is tiny, to make the loop larger again, and then undoing through it to come back to a slower rhythmic section, and then build again from there. It's a lot of fun! -HOpe this helps... Smiles, Cara At 11:22 PM 5/14/03 -0600, you wrote: >Cara- > > That's great! How did you do the smaller and smaller granulation at the >end of that tune??? Changing the start point? Or were you triggering with >something??? That's awesome! > > Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgh! > > Awesome! > >-Jesse > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Goddess" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:30 PM >Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 > > >> John, I'm currently just using an FCB 1010 to control my EDP. It works >> quite nicely. You can hear a track from a recent coffee shop performance >> at: >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> It's called Naked Blues, and is located on the music page. All of the >> EDP control is done with just the FCB. >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 11:17:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FFElL21828; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:14:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:14:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030515092038.00a0d100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:20:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 In-Reply-To: <20030515143100.8604.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott, yes, just use note numbers to control EDP functions, and you can use sustained presses. -Hope this helps... smiles, C-Quinn At 07:31 AM 5/15/03 -0700, you wrote: >I have both an EFC-7 and an FCB-1010 in my setup. The >FCB-1010 used to control my Repeater, and I was quite >happy with that, but when I bought my EDP I made sure >to get an EFC-7 as well, for 2 reasons: > >1. The FCB-1010 also controls my Genesis3 preamp, and >having a dedicated footpedal for the EDP (or at least >the basic functions) means less bank switching during >performance. I'm not ruling out using the FCB-1010 >later to access deeper EDP functions, but I want to >thoroughly familiarize myself with the basic functions >first. > >2. If you're using the LoopIV software, you can't >really utilize the new SUS functions, which are in >operation only as long as the button is held down (the >FCB doesn't support sustained presses). If anyone >else has found a workaround for this (Cara, maybe?), >I'd be curious to find out how. > >Just my $0.02... > >Later, >Scott > > > >===== >Scott Martin >coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > >Beauty - no matter how disturbing or how still - is always true. Don't be afraid to let go of the things you know. Defy your weaker, safer self. Create. Make music. >-Sonny Sharrock > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 11:48:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FFjMO25481; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:40:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: - Plugzilla? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:12 AM -0400 5/15/03, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: ><> > >Yeah, exactly! WHAT are they thinking?!?!? They are thinking they need to recoup their development costs and that they might not sell that many units. The components and build quality are also very high. Still, that's $500 more than they were estimating at AES and NAMM. You also have to consider the context. This instrument was developed by people who are also part of the new Eventide development team, so they're used to thinking "high end." I don't expect they are even thinking of loopers as likely customers. It's pitched towards recording studios and major touring acts. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 11:57:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FFrwA26554; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:53:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:53:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: 1010 Notes & mpx1 tempo (was RE: midi control SW sampler live/hands free) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:48:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c31af9$7e3c3640$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3c.2f9a2c99.2bf4a5ed@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sit gloriously corrected! I completely misinterpreted the manual on this point. Thanks Goddess and andy! hmmm, so, assuming my mpx1 will allow incoming Note ONs to tap tempo (as I believe it can), what will be the ramification of the fact that when one presses down on a footswitch, a Note ON (vel 64) is sent, and when one releases the footswitch, a Note ON (vel 0) is sent. Would the mpx1 treat both Note ON events as tap triggers? or does the threshold setting on the mpx1 correspond to velocity value not note number? I'll look in the manual tonight, but my curiosity is quite piqued now ... Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: midi control SW sampler live/hands free > > > > (the 1010 does > > NOT send Note OFFs) > > the FCB1010 sends note-OFF when you release the footswitch > (or an equivalent note-ON with vel=0) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 13:02:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FGxiD03687; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:59:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9BC02FAC-86F6-11D7-A98A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As soon as Digital Performer 4 hits my doorstep I plan on getting PSP42 and giving it a whirl. I'll report my findings... Mark On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 07:47 AM, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: > > << >> Perhaps someone will create a max/msp patch that allows u to run 8 >> psp42's >> and switch the same audio input between them without glitching. That >> would >> be the final piece in the puzzle. > > > This is a grweat example of exactly what I'm looking for in a plug-in > host. > > < pretty > > easily from either VBox or Spark. Or perhaps one of the widgets in > Cycling > > 74's Pluggo...?>> > > Unfortunately, neither VBox or Spark currently offer any way to > automate or > modulate routings, or anything else. And you can only control plug-in > parameters for those plug ins that offer this functionality on their > own, > which is not many. Pluggo may already provide this flexibility but I > won't > be able to really check this out until it becomes OSX and > multi-processor > savvy. Anybody else explored its modulation and routing possibilties? > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 13:21:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FHJdJ05751; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:19:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:19:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c31b06$29ff0b40$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <3c.2f9a2c99.2bf4a5ed@aol.com> Subject: FCB1010 vs. Loopers-Delight caged deathmatch... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:19:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude Voit says... "do you know that you can remote your pc1600x from a footcontroler "Button emulation " in the globals.The source of the remote can be note ons/off or prg ch from there, on the pc1600x, a button can be anything (sys, controlers, mltiple messages, scenes,start/stop messages etc.......)" ...and I am ecstatic, because I have a PC1600X and am looking at an FCB1010. Andy Butler then says... "the FCB1010 sends note-OFF when you release the footswitch (or an equivalent note-ON with vel=0)." ...Hmm, so which is it? Note-off, or note-on (velocity 0)? Wouldn't make much sense to me if it was to send a second note-on. It can't possibly do that. Unless that was somehow a programmable option for special situations. Then Scott Martin says... "2. If you're using the LoopIV software, you can't really utilize the new SUS functions, which are in operation only as long as the button is held down (the FCB doesn't support sustained presses). If anyone else has found a workaround for this (Cara, maybe?), I'd be curious to find out how." Could someone please clear this up for us? If the FCB sends note-on on footswitch depress, and note-off on footswitch release then I would say it *does* support sustained presses and hence would be great for EDP manipulation. Sincerely, Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 14:32:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FISaT17248; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:28:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:28:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030515182830.45466.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: pds mod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c31abc$74ccf9b0$0100a8c0@black> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We've discussed increasing the loop time on the Digitech PDS- and RDS- delays, but a guy over on the circuit-benders group list just posted an interesting mod: instead of just opening the box and tweaking the trimpot, he actually replaced it with a panel-mounted pot. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 15:03:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FIxPN22715; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:59:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:59:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:59:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Live processing w/ plugins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <572EC27C-8707-11D7-95B7-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i give a big thumbs up to grm tools. the os x version is solid, and the range of plugins is great. freeze is pretty neat as a looper, though it does a lot more as well. bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 16:53:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FKohT03564; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:50:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:50:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EC3FD58.F0C892A5@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:49:28 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pds mod References: <20030515182830.45466.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tell us more, tell us more! Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > We've discussed increasing the loop time on the > Digitech PDS- and RDS- delays, but a guy over on the > circuit-benders group list just posted an interesting > mod: instead of just opening the box and tweaking the > trimpot, he actually replaced it with a panel-mounted > pot. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 16:57:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FKsgS04255; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c31b24$3c068a20$bdf4e051@L6466.tjaw.com> Reply-To: "Peter Flink" From: "Peter Flink" To: References: <200305121531.h4CFVxc27561@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #317 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:54:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Delite me from Loopers-Delight mailing list....Pleas... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #317 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 16:57:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FKtqx04366; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:55:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:55:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c31b24$66464640$bdf4e051@L6466.tjaw.com> Reply-To: "Peter Flink" From: "Peter Flink" To: Subject: Fw: Delite me from Loopers-Delight mailing list....Pleas... 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------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C31B35.27EAC5E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 16:58:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FKj9o02936; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EC3FF1A.5049B196@erols.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:56:58 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 References: <19c.14adba51.2bf4a85f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > Is anybody using just a FCB-1010 to control their EDP? > > Yes, it works fine. > Gives you much better access to Loop4 features than the EFC-7 > > > devices(EDP+, MPX-200, POD) with one controller (FCB-1010) that would be > > super. Am I expecting too much? > > should be OK > > > Should I just get an EFC-7 and stick > > with my effects pedals instead? > > depends how many EDP features you want to use. > > Also consider that an analogue foot pedal (vol pedal type) > like the Boss FV-50L will give you access to 3 EDP Modes > that you can't use without. > > andy butler Thanks for all of the great feedback everybody. This is such a great list to be a part of. I'm still not sure which way to go, though. I have a few more questions that may help me to make up my mind. 1. On the FCB-1010, can I set up one bank to control all of the basic EDP functions, another bank to control an MPX-200(including setting up a tap-tempo), and another bank to switch presets on an Adrenalinn? If I can do all of this from one pedal with out having to power it down(reference to David's problems with the FCB-1010), I think I might go with the 1010. Thanks so much, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 17:08:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FL5Jh06903; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:05:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:05:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030515210518.93170.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: FCB1010 vs. Loopers-Delight caged deathmatch... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007d01c31b06$29ff0b40$bf08fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think switching Running Status off will allow the FCB1010 to send note off messages. --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Claude Voit says... > > "do you know that you can remote your pc1600x from a > footcontroler "Button > emulation " in the globals.The source of the remote > can be note ons/off or > prg ch from there, on the pc1600x, a button can be > anything (sys, > controlers, mltiple messages, scenes,start/stop > messages etc.......)" > > ...and I am ecstatic, because I have a PC1600X and > am looking at an FCB1010. > Andy Butler then says... > > "the FCB1010 sends note-OFF when you release the > footswitch > (or an equivalent note-ON with vel=0)." > > ...Hmm, so which is it? Note-off, or note-on > (velocity 0)? Wouldn't make > much sense to me if it was to send a second note-on. > It can't possibly do > that. Unless that was somehow a programmable option > for special situations. > Then Scott Martin says... > > "2. If you're using the LoopIV software, you can't > really utilize the new > SUS functions, which are in operation only as long > as the button is held > down (the FCB doesn't support sustained presses). > If anyone else has found > a workaround for this (Cara, maybe?), I'd be curious > to find out how." > > Could someone please clear this up for us? If the > FCB sends note-on on > footswitch depress, and note-off on footswitch > release then I would say it > *does* support sustained presses and hence would be > great for EDP > manipulation. > > Sincerely, > > Jesse > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 17:23:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FLLHc08563; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:21:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:21:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ee.902498a.2bf55ec7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:21:11 EDT Subject: Re: NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4FLLGB08537 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cara, Nice track! I just listened to NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 -- the first piece of music from you I've heard. I must say, I bet it was really something to experience the amount of "glitch-o-ramma" madness that there must have been between you and Dre LaFosse a few months back when you played. Sorry I missed it. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 17:24:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FLMSM08691; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:22:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:22:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:22:49 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 Message-ID: <2147483647.1053015769@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3EC3FF1A.5049B196@erols.com> References: <19c.14adba51.2bf4a85f@aol.com> <3EC3FF1A.5049B196@erols.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147500486==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Actually, the 1010 has a cool feature where it can provide a tap function = for units that don't have one -- you can set it up to provide a delay time = CC message (I think that's right) based on taps from one of it's buttons. And, yes, you can set up separate pages of ten presets each, and my = understanding is (I just got it) that you can assign the foot controllers = per preset. So far, I haven't gotten them to talk to an ancient quadraverb = I've been goofing around with. I haven't tried it with the EDP, and I'm not = sure I will -- I really like (and am very used to) the simplicity of the = EFC-7. But when I get the Loop 4 upgrade I just ordered (where are you, Kim = Flint?) I may have to change my mind. (I actually bought it to help manage = my synths, but I'm waiting for my new controller to arrive.) The 1010 does seem to me to be heavy and large, and there's the matter of = memorizing what the buttons you've programmed actually do (as against one = dedicated button per function). But in my case, I suspect I'll be forced to = move to it just to keep my floor space needs reasonable. I'd actually love = to hear how 1010 users have arranged their EDP (and other) buttons. >=20 > 1. On the FCB-1010, can I set up one bank to control all of the basic = EDP > functions, another bank to control an MPX-200(including setting up a > tap-tempo), and another bank to switch presets on an Adrenalinn? If I > can do all of this from one pedal with out having to power it > down(reference to David's problems with the FCB-1010), I think I might go > with the 1010. >=20 > Thanks so much, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com >=20 >=20 > =20 --- www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Actually, the 1010 has a cool feature where it can provide a = tap function for units that don't have one -- you can set it up to provide = a delay time CC message (I think that's right) based on taps from one of = it's buttons.

And, yes, you can set up separate pages of ten presets each, and my = understanding is (I just got it) that you can assign the foot controllers = per preset. So far, I haven't gotten them to talk to an ancient quadraverb = I've been goofing around with. I haven't tried it with the EDP, and I'm not = sure I will -- I really like (and am very used to) the simplicity of the = EFC-7. But when I get the Loop 4 upgrade I just ordered (where are you, Kim = Flint?) I may have to change my mind. (I actually bought it to help manage = my synths, but I'm waiting for my new controller to arrive.)

The 1010 does seem to me to be heavy and large, and there's the matter of = memorizing what the buttons you've programmed actually do (as against one = dedicated button per function). But in my case, I suspect I'll be forced to = move to it just to keep my floor space needs reasonable. I'd actually love = to hear how 1010 users have arranged their EDP (and other) buttons.



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> 1.  On the FCB-1010, can I set up one bank to control all of = the basic EDP
> functions, another bank to control an MPX-200(including setting up = a
> tap-tempo), and another bank to switch presets on an = Adrenalinn?  If I
> can do all of this from one pedal with out having to power it
> down(reference to David's problems with the FCB-1010), I think I might = go
> with the 1010.
>
> Thanks so much,
> John
> www.johnmazzarella.com
>
>
>  



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www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 18:37:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FMaGX20531; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:36:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:36:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c31b32$649afee0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <002c01c31a60$8645f4a0$bf08fc0c@amd> <004d01c31abc$74ccf9b0$0100a8c0@black> Subject: EDP Momentary granulation technique... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:36:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <9tWYFB.A.rAF.gZBx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a way to get very fast, fluid, and consistent granulated moments on the fly in your live playing: Thanks to Claude Voit for laying out all the pieces for me. Requires: Echoplex Digital Pro with LoopIV, and a MIDI controller capable of sending press/release message strings (e.g. PC1600X, PMC-10) Functionality: When your foot/finger steps/presses on the designated button the EDP will record a very short loop (grain) and loop it until you take your foot/finger off the button, at which time it will reset the loop to silence and be ready to go again. Single pedal press. Usage: Timbral variety for held notes, or extension of staccato notes into granular textures with duration defined by pedal depression. Granular looping is certainly do-able without the complexity of all this press/release programming with a simple SUS Record. However, to achieve what this method does would require you to record a small amount of silence with a second SUS Record to stop the grain. Also, the size of the gran you can capture with a SUS Record would almost certainly be different each time, whereas this method will allow you to get a consistent grain size if you should so desire. Setting up several buttons with different numbers of spacer bytes will allow you to have access to several different grain sizes which you can mix up. Demonstration: Live bass and EDP, done five minutes after programming, with no practice and no overdubs; hence, kinda sloppy, but you can see the potential here. And if you can't, or don't care, then I'm sorry for spamming you with this. I envision this technique being used in a band setting (hence the drum loop accompaniment -- which is not coming from the EDP). Also, I'm using Roland PK-5 MIDI bass pedals as a trigger driving a PC1600X here, so the large pedal swing certainly doesn't make the timing any easier. http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/granulationexperiment.mp3 (974K) Programming: For the press send this string (where 'n' is the MIDI channel your EDP recieves on [0-F], and '...' is any number of empty bytes [00] which will determine grain size): 9n 26 7F 00 00 00 00 00 ... 8n 26 00 For the release send this string (where 'n' is the MIDI channel your EDP recieves on [0-F]): 9n 3D 7F 00* 8n 3D 00 *This is just an empty spacer byte between the note-on and off of the DirectMIDI Reset command. Don't know if it's necessary or even good to have there. Anyone? If you have changed the Source# of your EDP, then obviously the command strings above will have to be adapted to your change. -Jesse Ray Lucas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 19:00:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FMw1923497; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:58:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.227.40.44] X-Original-From: chrismandel@juno.com Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:57:37 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: chrismandel@juno.com Message-Id: <20030515.185738.24908.47228@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'd agree that his compositions arn't really loop based (other than somewhat on his solo album..."Gost Ship" I think its called). but loops are a big part of his sound these days. they are kinda rudementary from a looper's perspective, but ground breaking from a jazz stand point. -chris ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 19:18:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FNFmg27574; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:15:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:15:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030515231542.42331.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: pds mod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EC3FD58.F0C892A5@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0JBPqC.A.uuG.k-Bx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, there really wasn't much more; he just bypassed the trimpot on the circuit board, substituting it with a rotary pot (of the same value, I assume) that one could access without having to open the box up to adjust it, adding a knob to the pedal. It would affect both delay time AND fidelity! -t- --- Daryl wrote: > > Tell us more, tell us more! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 20:08:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FNsQ131394; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:54:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:54:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [141.151.167.5] X-Originating-Email: [gnarly_gnarl@hotmail.com] From: "gnarly gnarl" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: anything for sale? Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:52:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2003 23:52:44.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[148DD3E0:01C31B3D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello i was wondering if anyone had any old dod or digitech pedals that they want to part with for cheap. also does anyone know how to fix malfunctioning pedals? love mike _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 20:08:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FNl2P30649; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:47:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:47:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <002c01c31a60$8645f4a0$bf08fc0c@amd> <004d01c31abc$74ccf9b0$0100a8c0@black> <010d01c31b32$649afee0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: EDP Momentary granulation technique... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:36:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2003 23:36:27.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDD5F470:01C31B3A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YEAH!!! thanks for the mp3, time for a better footcontroller than the FCB1010... Jon > easier. http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/granulationexperiment.mp3 > (974K) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 20:08:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4G07kf01657; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:07:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c31b3f$18b7e3a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3c.2f9a2c99.2bf4a5ed@aol.com> <007d01c31b06$29ff0b40$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: FCB1010 vs. Loopers-Delight caged deathmatch... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:07:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "the FCB1010 sends note-OFF when you release the footswitch > (or an equivalent note-ON with vel=0)." > > ...Hmm, so which is it? Note-off, or note-on (velocity 0)? Wouldn't make > much sense to me if it was to send a second note-on. It can't possibly do > that. Unless that was somehow a programmable option for special situations. It does. It's not programmable - it's standard and built-in. When you depress the footswitch, the FCB1010 sends the Note On at velocity 64, and when you release the footswitch, it sends Note On velocity 0 (which is the equivalent of "Note Off"). My understanding is that Note On velocity 0 is a more common way to denote Note Off. > Could someone please clear this up for us? If the FCB sends note-on on > footswitch depress, and note-off on footswitch release then I would say it > *does* support sustained presses and hence would be great for EDP > manipulation. It does. It will. It can. :) I actually use a combination of the FCB1010 (which also controls my G-Major and my Ableton Live setup), and the EFC-7 to control 2 EDPs. Which one I stomp depends on what I'm trying to do. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 20:11:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FNP6H29022; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:25:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:25:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <37.38baefb9.2bf57bc7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:24:55 EDT Subject: Re: Frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_37.38baefb9.2bf57bc7_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_37.38baefb9.2bf57bc7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/15/03 6:58:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chrismandel@juno.com writes: > ..."Gost Ship" "GHOST TOWN" perhaps?.....michael --part1_37.38baefb9.2bf57bc7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/15/0= 3 6:58:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chrismandel@juno.com writes:


..."Gost Ship"

"GHOST TOWN" perhaps?.....michael --part1_37.38baefb9.2bf57bc7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 20:11:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FNeoU30211; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:40:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:40:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <002c01c31a60$8645f4a0$bf08fc0c@amd> <004d01c31abc$74ccf9b0$0100a8c0@black> <010d01c31b32$649afee0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: EDP Momentary granulation technique... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:38:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2003 23:38:52.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[24B15E10:01C31B3B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's a question/idea. What happens when you send a REC command, spacers, then an OVERDUB command??? I have a feeling this could add something neat to the granular sound. Jon > Programming: For the press send this string (where 'n' is the MIDI channel > your EDP recieves on [0-F], and '...' is any number of empty bytes [00] > which will determine grain size): > > 9n 26 7F 00 00 00 00 00 ... 8n 26 00 > > For the release send this string (where 'n' is the MIDI channel your EDP > recieves on [0-F]): > > 9n 3D 7F 00* 8n 3D 00 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 20:18:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4G0H8K03025; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:17:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:17:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EC42E0B.2090608@quik.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:17:15 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loops as techniques extension, was Re: Frisell References: <20030515.185738.24908.47228@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20030515.185738.24908.47228@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com chrismandel@juno.com wrote: > i'd agree that his compositions arn't really loop based (other than somewhat on his solo album..."Gost Ship" I think its called). but loops are a big part of his sound these days. they are kinda rudementary from a looper's perspective, but ground breaking from a jazz stand point. -chris There aint a damn thang "rudimentary" about Frisell's loops! Anymore than his guitar playing is "rudimentary" :-) If you see him perform live you can really appreciate the consumate skill with which he approaches looping as an extenstion of his guitar. The only other person I can think of who has such a seemless loop technique would be David Torn. Course, that Nels Cline aint no slouch either... D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 21:51:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4G1nVB11613; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:49:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012d01c31b4d$6312bcf0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <002c01c31a60$8645f4a0$bf08fc0c@amd> <004d01c31abc$74ccf9b0$0100a8c0@black> <010d01c31b32$649afee0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: EDP Momentary granulation technique... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:49:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <5nAY4B.A.V1C.qOEx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The pitch of the granulation in my example MP3 was an Eb, which wouldn't work in every tonal context, so I went back and programmed 12 more versions of the granular press/release, adding or omitting spacer bytes, for an entire C to C octave. So, depending on what, if any, key is happening around me, I can choose "right" or "wrong" notes for the granulization. If anyone out there has a PC1600X and would like the preset, I can dump it and send it to you. The pitches of the granularizations are close except for: G = slightly sharp Ab = extremely sharp A = slightly flat B = extremely flat You could probably program octave down versions of these notes that are out of tune, and get them more in tune, but I don't feel like it right now. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wagner" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: Re: EDP Momentary granulation technique... > YEAH!!! thanks for the mp3, time for a better footcontroller than the > FCB1010... > Jon > > > > easier. http://www.neoprimitive.net/jlucas/tmp/granulationexperiment.mp3 > > (974K) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 22:27:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4G2Pw916211; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:25:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:25:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013f01c31b52$7b39f550$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <002c01c31a60$8645f4a0$bf08fc0c@amd> <004d01c31abc$74ccf9b0$0100a8c0@black> <010d01c31b32$649afee0$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: EDP Momentary granulation technique... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:25:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Indeed, Jon. Adding (where 'n' is your EDP's MIDI receive channel)... ... 9n 27 7F 8n 27 00 ...to the end of the press string gives you a lot more tonal flexibility. You can hold the granule and change the timbre of it. My favorite sound so far is to get a granule with overdub on and then smack the strings down onto the neck, for a really percussive sound. Then, it seems that if I play an open low-B string the granule almost fades entirely away within a couple seconds. Rubbing my palm back and forth along the (roundwound) strings seems to have the same effect. The loop is backed off by 10% every time the loop (granule) repeats as long as there is input coming into the EDP. This makes the granularization much more "playable." But the tonal flexability is optional, since if you don't play anything while the EDP is in overdub mode the grain will retain the same shape/sound. Piping the EDP into something that gives you pitch shifting ability and filters to play with can really turn these sounds into something way out there. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wagner" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: EDP Momentary granulation technique... > here's a question/idea. What happens when you send a REC command, spacers, > then an OVERDUB command??? I have a feeling this could add something neat > to the granular sound. > Jon > > > Programming: For the press send this string (where 'n' is the MIDI > channel > > your EDP recieves on [0-F], and '...' is any number of empty bytes [00] > > which will determine grain size): > > > > 9n 26 7F 00 00 00 00 00 ... 8n 26 00 > > > > For the release send this string (where 'n' is the MIDI channel your EDP > > recieves on [0-F]): > > > > 9n 3D 7F 00* 8n 3D 00 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 23:04:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4G33Jb20907; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1053054183.3ec454e7c0e09@nalutech.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:03:03 -0400 From: Rich Schiavi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 vs. Loopers-Delight caged deathmatch... References: <3c.2f9a2c99.2bf4a5ed@aol.com> <007d01c31b06$29ff0b40$bf08fc0c@amd> <004401c31b3f$18b7e3a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> In-Reply-To: <004401c31b3f$18b7e3a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 66.14.171.32 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server18.pronicsolutions.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [32001 502] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - server18.pronicsolutions.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Doug, Can you elaborate more on how you are using the FC1010 with Abelton Live? I trying to explore and use a midi controller with my ableton live and not having much luck doing anything ;-) On another topic, is is possible to use just a midi controller pedal (like the FC1010) instead of the pedal which comes with the EDP to do basic loop start/stop, inserts and all that? Trying to minimize the setup. Thanks, Rich Quoting Doug Cox : > > I actually use a combination of the FCB1010 (which also controls my G-Major > and my Ableton Live setup), and the EFC-7 to control 2 EDPs. Which one I > stomp depends on what I'm trying to do. > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 23:17:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4G3GMj22415; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:16:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:16:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bsgood@pop.clvdoh.adelphia.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030515.185738.24908.47228@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> References: <20030515.185738.24908.47228@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:16:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brian Good Subject: Re: Frisell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i'd agree that his compositions arn't really loop based (other than >somewhat on his solo album..."Gost Ship" I think its called). but >loops are a big part of his sound these days. they are kinda >rudementary from a looper's perspective, but ground breaking from a >jazz stand point. -chris > In what sense? Jazzers having been using loopers for a long time. -- Brian Good "Play it up an octave. It's too stupid down there." -Herb Pomeroy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 23:38:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4G3aEL24649; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e001c31b5c$2e6332a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3c.2f9a2c99.2bf4a5ed@aol.com> <007d01c31b06$29ff0b40$bf08fc0c@amd> <004401c31b3f$18b7e3a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <1053054183.3ec454e7c0e09@nalutech.com> Subject: Re: FCB1010 vs. Loopers-Delight caged deathmatch... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:35:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rich, So far, I've used the FCB1010 with Ableton Live to record and play back loops, and the expression pedals to change some continuous controls. Live has a MIDI Map mode (press the MIDI button on the upper right hand corner). You can then select anything that's highlighted, and then press the appropriate pedal on your FCB1010 (or swing an expression pedal its full travel), and Live will "learn" that you want that pedal to control that item. I use MIDI notes to record on multiple tracks, to play back and/or restart those recordings, and to play various samples. One frustrating thing: Live doesn't allow MIDI control of it's track pitch parameter. :( Seems like an oversight... Hope they fix it sometime soon. I have to say that this combo, combined with 2 EDPs, makes for an amazing rhythmic combo... and can also create beautiful, ever changing ambient loops. Yes, you can use the FCB1010, or other MIDI controllers, to control an EDP. There's a lot on that topic in the archives, on the Looper's Delight website, and in the EDP manual. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Schiavi" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: Re: FCB1010 vs. Loopers-Delight caged deathmatch... > > Hi Doug, > > Can you elaborate more on how you are using the FC1010 with Abelton Live? I > trying to explore and use a midi controller with my ableton live and not having > much luck doing anything ;-) > > On another topic, is is possible to use just a midi controller pedal (like the > FC1010) instead of the pedal which comes with the EDP to do basic loop > start/stop, inserts and all that? Trying to minimize the setup. > > Thanks, > > Rich > > Quoting Doug Cox : > > > > I actually use a combination of the FCB1010 (which also controls my G-Major > > and my Ableton Live setup), and the EFC-7 to control 2 EDPs. Which one I > > stomp depends on what I'm trying to do. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 00:09:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4G47K729126; Fri, 16 May 2003 00:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:07:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030515230606.02b7db58@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:06:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:47 AM 5/15/2003 -0400, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: >Unfortunately, neither VBox or Spark currently offer any way to automate or >modulate routings, or anything else. And you can only control plug-in >parameters for those plug ins that offer this functionality on their own, >which is not many. Nuts! I had no idea that those programs were so crippled. No wonder I don't see people using them as often as I'd expect. >Pluggo may already provide this flexibility but I won't >be able to really check this out until it becomes OSX and multi-processor >savvy. Anybody else explored its modulation and routing possibilties? More grist for the mill: As I mentioned, I don't personally own Pluggo, but I knew I'd seen something relevant regarding it. Here's a review snippet on Pluggo 3 from Grooves Magazine, Issue 9, page 53: "All of Pluggo's plug-ins can interoperate via the PluggoBus, which works 'behind' your sequencer to provide sophisticated control and audio routing between many of the included plug-ins. For example, the included OneByEight plug-in accepts a single channel of audio and routes it between eight audio outputs via a mouse-controlled matrix. Each of the outputs can then be routed to the effect's left or right output or to any of six other destinations on the PluggoBus...." I've read elsewhere that there's also a VST wrapper which, I believe, should allow you to load other plug-ins into the PluggoBus. In fact, I've heard it suggested that such a configuration is a good solution to provide VSTi automation on host platforms with hampered synchronization capabilities. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 02:29:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4G6SHd12099; Fri, 16 May 2003 02:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 02:28:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:28:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig Spam: Tableland 5/17/03 [Seattle] From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <93527E9C-8767-11D7-A0CC-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_g4MeB.A.78C.BUIx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When: Saturday, May 17th, 1PM (that's right--one o'clock in the afternoon) Where: University District Street Fair, 47th and Brooklyn Ave NE, Seattle Cover: free Tableland, a five-piece ambient rock band will be performing this Saturday in Seattle, Washington. Various looping devices will be in use. Some more info: http://www.tableland.org Be seeing you, TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 02:36:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4G6a5a12699; Fri, 16 May 2003 02:36:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 02:36:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030516063559.17146.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:35:59 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: FCB1010 vs. Loopers-Delight caged deathmatch... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200305160151.h4G1pMp11810@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When MIDI was first implemented, there was note-on and note-off commands for every note. Then some whiz kid figured out that it took a lot less information (in terms of bytes) to just send a note-on command of 0. Now I believe all manufacturers use this note-on=0 command. I would love to see MIDI fade into the obscurity it deserves sooner rather than later... Stephen << Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GAEcw02194; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 06:14:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030516101432.27523.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 03:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: GP100 Tap delay triggering with the FCB-1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1053015769@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I asked a while ago if anybody figured out how to trigger the delay tap function of the roland GP100 guitar effecs proccesor with the FCB1010 and haven´t gotten any answer.I´ve tried everything and it is strange because all of the other units i own work with my FCB1010.It worked with the PMC10 but it could send note on/off which the GP100 requires. Anybody outhere using this 2 units? --- Kelly Coyle wrote: --------------------------------- Actually, the 1010 has a cool feature where it can provide a tap function for units that don't have one -- you can set it up to provide a delay time CC message (I think that's right) based on taps from one of it's buttons. ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 06:57:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GAquV05789; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 06:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <174.1b038c6d.2bf61cff@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 06:52:47 EDT Subject: FCB1010 EDP+ layout suggestion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <2yOPjB.A.RaB.IMMx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FCB1010 EDP layout suggestion (loop4) main bank Insert HalfSpeed Reverse Substitute Mute Record Overdub Multiply Undo Nextloop exp 1 >>> feedback exp 2 >>> volume The expression peds have to be programmed into every switch. The bottom line contains the most common functions. ...and is easy to learn, being similar to the FC-7 layout at either end. I create other banks with the same bottom row, e.g. use top row to call different sounds on a multi FX. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 07:31:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GBTL810384; Fri, 16 May 2003 07:29:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:29:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:30:34 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/16/2003 07:30:35 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <75yyYD.A.HiC.QuMx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Catilyne....Pluggo sounds like it'll do the trick, once they get it together for OSX. Wish Audiomulch was cross platform! David <<"All of Pluggo's plug-ins can interoperate via the PluggoBus....>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 08:28:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GCQ1C18846; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:26:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:26:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030516122559.3205.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 05:25:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I publicly acknowledge that I was wrong about the FCB-1010's ability to control sustained functions on the EDP. That's what I get for thinking in the "program change" paradigm. Thanks to everyone who set the record straight! Later, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com Beauty - no matter how disturbing or how still - is always true. Don't be afraid to let go of the things you know. Defy your weaker, safer self. Create. Make music. -Sonny Sharrock __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 11:37:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GFX3W13116; Fri, 16 May 2003 11:33:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:33:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:32:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3EBA8DC5000081A7@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030516063559.17146.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: FCB1010 vs. Loopers-Delight caged deathmatch... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4GFX3B13091 Resent-Message-ID: <_1bdCB.A.0MD.vSQx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To add a bit of clarification to this, a note-on and a note-off command are the same length (3 bytes), but using 'running status', which reduces the data to 2 bytes by dropping the command (ie. use this new data with the previous command) then a note-on with a velocity of 0 would drop to 2 bytes. I'm not sure how this becomes 'a lot less data', but I suppose the cumultive effect might be 'a lot less'... :) Also, I'm not sure why Stephen wants to see it go away, but I find midi to be a great vehicle for controlling devices, including things other than just notes, such as parameters in synth patches and effects units, as well as getting/sending configurations to devices. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see an improved version come out (faster transport medium, better support for thigns like string instruments, etc) but, just because the current version lacks this, doesn't mean I would to see the current version go away... :) anyways, that's my 2cents... peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:35:59 -0700 (PDT) >From: S V G >Subject: Re: FCB1010 vs. Loopers-Delight caged deathmatch... >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > When MIDI was first implemented, there was note-on and note-off commands >for every note. >Then some whiz kid figured out that it took a lot less information (in terms >of bytes) to just >send a note-on command of 0. Now I believe all manufacturers use this note-on=0 >command. > > I would love to see MIDI fade into the obscurity it deserves sooner >rather than later... > > Stephen > > > <<It does. It's not programmable - it's standard and built-in. When you >depress the footswitch, the FCB1010 sends the Note On at velocity 64, and >when you release the footswitch, it sends Note On velocity 0 (which is the >equivalent of "Note Off"). My understanding is that Note On velocity 0 is >a >more common way to denote Note Off. > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 11:55:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GFpZU15952; Fri, 16 May 2003 11:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:51:39 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: EDP Momentary granulation technique... In-reply-to: <010d01c31b32$649afee0$bf08fc0c@amd> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015201c31bc3$09f1f390$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool idea. good example too. maybe you should up a short sample to the ld site... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 12:29:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GGRUK21837; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:27:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:27:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030516103323.00859250@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:33:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 In-Reply-To: <1ee.902498a.2bf55ec7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4GGRUB21813 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aw Ted, thank you much! -It certainly was a whole lota' fun! Dre and I are still wondering what the heck we played?! lol! -Somebody's got a recording out there, but we haven't heard from him. -Have a great day!, K? Smiles, Cara At 05:21 PM 5/15/03 EDT, you wrote: >Cara, > >Nice track! I just listened to NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 >-- the first piece of music from you I've heard. I must >say, I bet it was really something to experience the >amount of "glitch-o-ramma" madness that there must >have been between you and Dre LaFosse a few months >back when you played. Sorry I missed it. > >Best, > >tEd ® kiLLiAn > >ArsOcarina@aol.com >http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 13:13:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GHB3Q30515; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:11:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:11:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030516111657.00857bf0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:16:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: EFC-7 vs. FCB-1010 In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1053015769@localhost> References: <3EC3FF1A.5049B196@erols.com> <19c.14adba51.2bf4a85f@aol.com> <3EC3FF1A.5049B196@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kelly, I have my FCB banks layed out as follows. Main bank, bank 1 pedal 1 sus record pedal 2 sus replace pedal 3 sus unrounded insert pedal 4 reverse pedal 5 retrigger pedal 6 overdub pedal 7 sus unrounded multiply pedal 8 long undo pedal 9 multiply pedal 10 next loop bank 10 pedal 1 record pedal 2 sus overdub pedal 3 sus replace pedal 4 sus half speed Note: depending on whether the EDP is in full speed or half speed, this function changes. If it's in full speed, the pedal switches it to half speed while held, and if the EDP is in half speed, the pedal switches it into full speed while held. pedal 5 sus next loop pedal 6 loop 1 pedal 7 loop 2 pedal 8 loop 3 pedal 9 full speed pedal 10 half speed banks 2 and 3 consist mainly of preset calls, and less obvious functions like setting the start point, standard undo, mute and reset. anyway, -hope this makes some sense and gives ya some good ideas... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 13:23:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GHK7X31589; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:20:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:20:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:19:44 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7E4A9366.09FDD058.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com groovy live material. How did the audience respond? if you like, check out my glitch-core rendition on www.mp3.com/cphere the tune in mind is ode to a zen loop grandmaster peace From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 13:37:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GHWpw00656; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:32:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:32:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c31bd0$b5abf980$57e35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #321 for May 15, 2003 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:29:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31BAF.215744E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <4GfwrD.A.HK.CDSx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31BAF.215744E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #321 May 15, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Sombient Drone = Series, a trilogy of releases that codify the definition of dark ambient. The = Featured CD at Midnight was disk one of "Swarm of Drones," the second release = from the Drone Series on the Sombient label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Poland" by Tangerine Dream on the = Jive Electro label. I also played the music of some of the artists who will be performing at = the Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June = 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. Sombient Drone Series - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#may Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Poland Poland (Jive Electro) Der Spyra Xenophones Home Listening is = Killing Clubs (Manikin) Xeroid Entity Titan Moons of Saturn = (Electro-Music Recordings) Steve Roach Wonderworld Mystic Chords & Sacred = Spaces (Projekt) Steve Roach Threshold Mystic Chords & Sacred = Spaces (Projekt) Jurgen Haible Queen of Glome Holiday in Purgatory = (none) Airsculpture Shoarma Quark Soup (Neu = Harmony) 12:00 am VA [Rhythm & Noise] Looms Swarm of Drones d1 = (Sombient) VA [Michel Redolfi] Palm Canyon Swarm of Drones d1 = (Sombient) VA [Robert Rich] Buoyant on Motionless Swarm of Drones d1 = (Sombient) Deluge VA [dj Cheb i Sabbah] Hamam Swarm of Drones d1 = (Sombient) VA [Steve Roach] Shard I Swarm of Drones d1 = (Sombient) VA [vidnaObmana] Flat Earth Swarm of Drones d1 = (Sombient) VA [Insect Funeral] Calming Sorrow Swarm of Drones d1 = (Sombient) VA [Robert Fripp] 2000 II Swarm of Drones d1 = (Sombient) VA [Janis Mattox] Soli Deo Gloria Swarm of Drones d1 = (Sombient) VA [Aloof Proof] The Ghost Ship * Swarm of Drones d1 = (Sombient) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Sombient = Drone Trilogy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the second disk from = "Swarm of Drones" on the Sombient label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Kamikaze 1989" by Edgar Froese on = Virgin Records. I will also play the music of one of the artists who will be performing = at the Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June = 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31BAF.215744E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #321       =20             May 15, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the = Sombient=20 Drone Series, a
trilogy of releases that codify the definition of = dark=20 ambient.  The Featured
CD at Midnight was disk one of "Swarm of = Drones,"=20 the second release from the
Drone Series on the Sombient label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Poland" by Tangerine Dream on = the=20 Jive
Electro label.
 
I also played the music of some of the artists who will be = performing at=20 the
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.
 
Sombient Drone Series - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#may
=
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Tangerine=20 Dream        =20 Poland           &= nbsp;      =20 Poland (Jive Electro)
Der=20 Spyra           &n= bsp;  =20 Xenophones          &nb= sp;   =20 Home Listening is=20 Killing
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 Clubs (Manikin)
Xeroid=20 Entity          =20 Titan           &n= bsp;       =20 Moons of Saturn=20 (Electro-Music
         &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;    =20 Recordings)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Wonderworld          &n= bsp;  =20 Mystic Chords & Sacred=20 Spaces
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 (Projekt)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Threshold          &nbs= p;    =20 Mystic Chords & Sacred=20 Spaces
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 (Projekt)
Jurgen=20 Haible           Queen = of=20 Glome           = Holiday in=20 Purgatory=20 (none)
Airsculpture        &nb= sp;  =20 Shoarma           =       =20 Quark Soup (Neu Harmony)
 
12:00 am
VA [Rhythm & Noise]    =20 Looms           &n= bsp;       =20 Swarm of Drones d1 (Sombient)
VA [Michel = Redolfi]    =20 Palm=20 Canyon           &= nbsp; =20 Swarm of Drones d1 (Sombient)
VA [Robert=20 Rich]        Buoyant on=20 Motionless    Swarm of Drones d1=20 (Sombient)
          = ;            =    =20 Deluge
VA [dj Cheb i Sabbah]  =20 Hamam           &n= bsp;       =20 Swarm of Drones d1 (Sombient)
VA [Steve=20 Roach]        Shard=20 I            =      =20 Swarm of Drones d1 (Sombient)
VA=20 [vidnaObmana]        Flat=20 Earth           &n= bsp;  =20 Swarm of Drones d1 (Sombient)
VA [Insect = Funeral]    =20 Calming = Sorrow           Swarm = of Drones d1 (Sombient)
VA [Robert = Fripp]      =20 2000=20 II            = ;     =20 Swarm of Drones d1 (Sombient)
VA [Janis=20 Mattox]       Soli Deo=20 Gloria          Swarm of = Drones d1=20 (Sombient)
VA [Aloof Proof]        = The=20 Ghost Ship *         Swarm of = Drones d1=20 (Sombient)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 the Sombient Drone
Trilogy.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be = the=20 second disk from "Swarm
of Drones" on the Sombient label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Kamikaze 1989" by Edgar = Froese on=20 Virgin
Records.
 
I will also play the music of one of the artists who will be = performing at=20 the
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31BAF.215744E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 15:06:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GJ3bW15788; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:03:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.21c31d36.2bf69003@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:03:31 EDT Subject: sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my #1 son dropped off his small peavey "audition chorus" amp the other day, a small double 6" speakers digital jobie......since i have abandoned the "simple" set up (electrix mo-fx) and reconnected all my other goodies in a mass orgy o SOUND, i thought why not take the 2 lines out off my mackie 1202 mixer and send them into the peavey and also my old fender champ (1-8" tube amp).....well let me tell ya!.....talk about puttin some scank into the "pristine" sound of the mackie srm 450's.....its a whole other world playin with some "highs and upper mids".....i love it.....much bigger sound than before.....the whole is much greater than the sum of its parts.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 15:09:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GJ7nE16337; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:07:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c31bde$3cc46760$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <7E4A9366.09FDD058.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:06:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <7eXPj.A.J_D.FcTx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com paulzric i like your loops, just gave them a spin off your link, sweet! thanks for the headsup! jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: Re: NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 > groovy live material. How did the audience respond? > if you like, check out my glitch-core rendition on > www.mp3.com/cphere > > the tune in mind is ode to a zen loop grandmaster > > peace > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 15:13:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GJBNN16807; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:11:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c31bde$bbb07820$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <002c01c31a60$8645f4a0$bf08fc0c@amd> <004d01c31abc$74ccf9b0$0100a8c0@black> <010d01c31b32$649afee0$bf08fc0c@amd> <013f01c31b52$7b39f550$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: EDP Momentary granulation technique... Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:09:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jesse is a sonic maximizer! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: Re: EDP Momentary granulation technique... > Indeed, Jon. Adding (where 'n' is your EDP's MIDI receive channel)... > > ... 9n 27 7F 8n 27 00 > > ...to the end of the press string gives you a lot more tonal flexibility. > You can hold the granule and change the timbre of it. > > My favorite sound so far is to get a granule with overdub on and then smack > the strings down onto the neck, for a really percussive sound. Then, it > seems that if I play an open low-B string the granule almost fades entirely > away within a couple seconds. Rubbing my palm back and forth along the > (roundwound) strings seems to have the same effect. The loop is backed off > by 10% every time the loop (granule) repeats as long as there is input > coming into the EDP. This makes the granularization much more "playable." > But the tonal flexability is optional, since if you don't play anything > while the EDP is in overdub mode the grain will retain the same shape/sound. > > Piping the EDP into something that gives you pitch shifting ability and > filters to play with can really turn these sounds into something way out > there. > > > > -Jesse > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Wagner" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: EDP Momentary granulation technique... > > > > here's a question/idea. What happens when you send a REC command, > spacers, > > then an OVERDUB command??? I have a feeling this could add something neat > > to the granular sound. > > Jon > > > > > Programming: For the press send this string (where 'n' is the MIDI > > channel > > > your EDP recieves on [0-F], and '...' is any number of empty bytes [00] > > > which will determine grain size): > > > > > > 9n 26 7F 00 00 00 00 00 ... 8n 26 00 > > > > > > For the release send this string (where 'n' is the MIDI channel your EDP > > > recieves on [0-F]): > > > > > > 9n 3D 7F 00* 8n 3D 00 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 15:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GJVxn18863; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:31:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:31:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:31:38 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: How Do... MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <42104637.1A7EB955.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...es one tap a tempo via midi with a control change command? My TC 300 allows a tap delay command to be triggered by "control change number 80." When I program my Lake Butler to accomplish this, there is a value parameter. I have experimented with a number of values, but still no tap control. What's up with this? Nascently yours, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 15:48:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GJktv20655; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:46:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:46:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: How Do... Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:41:48 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c31be3$31529e10$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <42104637.1A7EB955.007D6382@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You may need to configure the TC300 further, not sure, check the manual ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Paulzric@aol.com [mailto:Paulzric@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: How Do... > > > ...es one tap a tempo via midi with a control change > command? My TC 300 allows a tap delay command to be triggered > by "control change number 80." When I program my Lake Butler > to accomplish this, there is a value parameter. I have > experimented with a number of values, but still no tap control. > > What's up with this? > Nascently yours, > Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 16:54:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GKqC728893; Fri, 16 May 2003 16:52:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:52:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:52:05 -0700 Subject: Re: sound Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <11f.21c31d36.2bf69003@aol.com> Message-Id: <40B4FA27-87E0-11D7-BCB6-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I had the SRM450s the first thing I had to do was configure a bunch of presets that were EQed differently, as I was totally missing that "high upper mid" bump that a good guitar cab can give... although often I just like plugging my guitar directly into my Ampeg tube amp with a looper in its effect loop. Mark On Friday, May 16, 2003, at 12:03 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > my #1 son dropped off his small peavey "audition chorus" amp the other > day, a > small double 6" speakers digital jobie......since i have abandoned the > "simple" set up (electrix mo-fx) and reconnected all my other goodies > in a > mass orgy o SOUND, i thought why not take the 2 lines out off my > mackie 1202 > mixer and send them into the peavey and also my old fender champ (1-8" > tube > amp).....well let me tell ya!.....talk about puttin some scank into the > "pristine" sound of the mackie srm 450's.....its a whole other world > playin > with some "highs and upper mids".....i love it.....much bigger sound > than > before.....the whole is much greater than the sum of its > parts.....michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 17:05:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GL4BA31383; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:04:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:04:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:04:04 -0400 Subject: Re: LOOPPOOL: Summer 2003 Live Looping Tour of Europe and the British Isles From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c3143a$04776ca0$2f63f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4GL4AB31357 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dear rick... thanks so much for the discs... it is you who now have me searching hi and lo for cheap out of date windows machine... shame on you... but you got my interest peaked... anyhow, wanted to wish you well on your tour... I know what it takes to make it run, and sendin' you much respect... t. On 5/6/03 9:43 PM, "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Hi, I wanted to post my touring dates and invite everyone from the list to > come > see the lunacy that is my live show if you are so inclined: > > Rick Walker's LOOP.POOL > European/British Isles tour of summer 2003 > > special thanks to the people who invented and make the GIBSON EDP + > Echoplex, > The Swedish Government (for underwriting my tour their), > All the amazing loopers and promoters who have helped to get me > gigs and > put me up in their 'cat free environments'.............LOL > and my beautiful,talented > singer/songwriter/producer/multiinstrumentalist wife > who will be the most overqualified roadie in the history of the > universe > > SWEDEN > > May 13 travel Santa Cruz/San Francisco/Frankfurt/Gothenburg > and mightily confuse airport security exports with the wierd > things > that pass for instruments in my road cases---"No sir, that 10" > dayglo green > dildo is part of a musical piece................honest" > > 1st Swedish Looping Tour with Per Boysen (Sweden), Matthias Grob (Brazil) > and moi > > May 16 GOTHENBURG House of Arts "The Ocean" > > May 17 HULTSFRED ROCK CITY for "music week" 10 p.m. > > May 18 URSHULT LADAN (the barn) clinic 6 p.m. /concert 8 p.m. > > May 19 drive to STOCKHOLM > > May 20-21 editing live tracks > > May 23 ALMUNGE Corporate Conference > > May 24 STOCKHOLM somewhere in city play outdoors at 2 p.m. "FETE DE > LAMUSIQUE"then...........concert at Macken (The Gas Station) 8 p.m. > > May 25-28 days off > > June 29-30-31 STOCKHOLM ELECTRONICA 2003 > headlining LIVE INTERNATIONAL LOOPING PERFROMANCE > on Friday 30 at 8 p.m. > > June 3 NORRKOPING clinic/public concert > > June 4 STOCKHOLM House Of Arts---flat rooftop bar ( with guest artist > Gustaf Hielm (8 string electric bass) and Jair-Rôhm Parker Wells > > (acoustic upright bass, bow and electronics) > > IRELAND > June 11 DINGLE The Celtic & Prehistoric Museum Kilvicadownig, Ventry, > Dingle, Co. Kerry 7:30 p.m. 10 euros entrance (with Harris Moore, > Hammer Dulcimer) > (353)669159191) > June 12 DINGLE St. James Church 7:30 pm, 10 euros entrance (with > Steve Coulter, Irish Harp) 087-982-9728 or stevecoulter@eircom.net > > NORTHERN IRELAND > June 13 BELFAST Powerhaus presents...Rick Walker's Loop pool (with Special > Guest found sound/percussionist extraordinaire, Paul Marshall) > Linenhall Library, Donegall Square North 8pm Admission £8 & £5 concession > > > WALES > June 16 1st WELSH LOOPING FESTIVAL in SWANSEA The monkey Cafe' 9.30 - 10pm. > 3 quid to get in, £2 for concessions. (with Gareth > Whittock) > > ENGLAND > *June 17 LONDON (with Steve Lawson) venue to be announced > *June 19 LONDON " " > *June 20 LONDON " " > > June 21 1st CAMBRIDGE FESTIVAL OF LOOPING (with Os and many other list > members) > 8pm the michaelhouse cafe £5/£4 info@cambridg-loopfest.org.uk > > FRANCE > *June 28 PARIS still negotiating (anyone wanna host a house concert in > gay Paris > or > environs?) > > GERMANY > July 3 COLOGNE Galerie Rachel Haferkam (contact: Hanjo Scharfenberg) > Eigelstein 112 (with Michael Peters) > 50668 Koeln (Cologne), Germany Tel. +49 221 1393259 > http://www.rachelhaferkamp.com > > July 4 BERLIN 1st BERLIN LOOPING FESTIVAL (venue to be announced) ( > with Leander Renininhaus, Andreas Villers and more) > > July 7 RADOLFZELL "Bockle" 8:30 p.m. 5 euros ( with Louie Angulo) > > GREECE > *July 10-13 NAFPLIO (music festival----------venue to be announced) > > ITALY > July 17 MILAN 2003 - h.22.00 at Associazione Gheroartè (with Bruno > Kleinefeld) > c/o Stazione FS di Corsicovia Gramsci 4, 20094 Corsico (MI) > tel/fax (0039)02/45103113 - 339/6901684 - 349/4759779 > www.gheroarte.com > > *July 18 FLORENCE (venue to be announced---- with Massimo Liverani) > > July 19 GARDA LAKE ---- Rivolta Wine Bar in Rivoltella del Garda at 22.00 > free admission (with Luca Formentini) > > July 20-27 ROMAN HOLIDAY!!!!!!!!!! > > July 28 Depart ROME-FRANKFURT-SAN FRANCISCO-SANTA CRUZ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 17:11:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GL9jf32103; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:09:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:09:43 -0400 Subject: Re: LOOPPOOL: Summer 2003 Live Looping Tour of Europe and the British Isles From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4GL9jB32077 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my apologies... this was a personal message for rick... On 5/16/03 5:04 PM, "todd reynolds" wrote: > dear rick... > > thanks so much for the discs... it is you who now have me searching hi and > lo for cheap out of date windows machine... shame on you... but you got my > interest peaked... > > anyhow, wanted to wish you well on your tour... I know what it takes to make > it run, and sendin' you much respect... > > t. > > On 5/6/03 9:43 PM, "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > >> Hi, I wanted to post my touring dates and invite everyone from the list to >> come >> see the lunacy that is my live show if you are so inclined: >> >> Rick Walker's LOOP.POOL >> European/British Isles tour of summer 2003 >> >> special thanks to the people who invented and make the GIBSON EDP + >> Echoplex, >> The Swedish Government (for underwriting my tour their), >> All the amazing loopers and promoters who have helped to get me >> gigs and >> put me up in their 'cat free environments'.............LOL >> and my beautiful,talented >> singer/songwriter/producer/multiinstrumentalist wife >> who will be the most overqualified roadie in the history of the >> universe >> >> SWEDEN >> >> May 13 travel Santa Cruz/San Francisco/Frankfurt/Gothenburg >> and mightily confuse airport security exports with the wierd >> things >> that pass for instruments in my road cases---"No sir, that 10" >> dayglo green >> dildo is part of a musical piece................honest" >> >> 1st Swedish Looping Tour with Per Boysen (Sweden), Matthias Grob (Brazil) >> and moi >> >> May 16 GOTHENBURG House of Arts "The Ocean" >> >> May 17 HULTSFRED ROCK CITY for "music week" 10 p.m. >> >> May 18 URSHULT LADAN (the barn) clinic 6 p.m. /concert 8 p.m. >> >> May 19 drive to STOCKHOLM >> >> May 20-21 editing live tracks >> >> May 23 ALMUNGE Corporate Conference >> >> May 24 STOCKHOLM somewhere in city play outdoors at 2 p.m. "FETE DE >> LAMUSIQUE"then...........concert at Macken (The Gas Station) 8 p.m. >> >> May 25-28 days off >> >> June 29-30-31 STOCKHOLM ELECTRONICA 2003 >> headlining LIVE INTERNATIONAL LOOPING PERFROMANCE >> on Friday 30 at 8 p.m. >> >> June 3 NORRKOPING clinic/public concert >> >> June 4 STOCKHOLM House Of Arts---flat rooftop bar ( with guest artist >> Gustaf Hielm (8 string electric bass) and Jair-Rôhm Parker Wells >> >> (acoustic upright bass, bow and electronics) >> >> IRELAND >> June 11 DINGLE The Celtic & Prehistoric Museum Kilvicadownig, Ventry, >> Dingle, Co. Kerry 7:30 p.m. 10 euros entrance (with Harris Moore, >> Hammer Dulcimer) >> (353)669159191) >> June 12 DINGLE St. James Church 7:30 pm, 10 euros entrance (with >> Steve Coulter, Irish Harp) 087-982-9728 or stevecoulter@eircom.net >> >> NORTHERN IRELAND >> June 13 BELFAST Powerhaus presents...Rick Walker's Loop pool (with Special >> Guest found sound/percussionist extraordinaire, Paul Marshall) >> Linenhall Library, Donegall Square North 8pm Admission £8 & £5 concession >> >> >> WALES >> June 16 1st WELSH LOOPING FESTIVAL in SWANSEA The monkey Cafe' 9.30 - 10pm. >> 3 quid to get in, £2 for concessions. (with Gareth >> Whittock) >> >> ENGLAND >> *June 17 LONDON (with Steve Lawson) venue to be announced >> *June 19 LONDON " " >> *June 20 LONDON " " >> >> June 21 1st CAMBRIDGE FESTIVAL OF LOOPING (with Os and many other list >> members) >> 8pm the michaelhouse cafe £5/£4 info@cambridg-loopfest.org.uk >> >> FRANCE >> *June 28 PARIS still negotiating (anyone wanna host a house concert in >> gay Paris >> or >> environs?) >> >> GERMANY >> July 3 COLOGNE Galerie Rachel Haferkam (contact: Hanjo Scharfenberg) >> Eigelstein 112 (with Michael Peters) >> 50668 Koeln (Cologne), Germany Tel. +49 221 1393259 >> http://www.rachelhaferkamp.com >> >> July 4 BERLIN 1st BERLIN LOOPING FESTIVAL (venue to be announced) ( >> with Leander Renininhaus, Andreas Villers and more) >> >> July 7 RADOLFZELL "Bockle" 8:30 p.m. 5 euros ( with Louie Angulo) >> >> GREECE >> *July 10-13 NAFPLIO (music festival----------venue to be announced) >> >> ITALY >> July 17 MILAN 2003 - h.22.00 at Associazione Gheroartè (with Bruno >> Kleinefeld) >> c/o Stazione FS di Corsicovia Gramsci 4, 20094 Corsico (MI) >> tel/fax (0039)02/45103113 - 339/6901684 - 349/4759779 >> www.gheroarte.com >> >> *July 18 FLORENCE (venue to be announced---- with Massimo Liverani) >> >> July 19 GARDA LAKE ---- Rivolta Wine Bar in Rivoltella del Garda at 22.00 >> free admission (with Luca Formentini) >> >> July 20-27 ROMAN HOLIDAY!!!!!!!!!! >> >> July 28 Depart ROME-FRANKFURT-SAN FRANCISCO-SANTA CRUZ >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 17:18:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GLH0C00992; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:17:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:13:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1159002678==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1159002678==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The "anomalies" I discovered in PSP42 have been fixed in the current beta version. These consisted of four things: 1) When in Infinite Repeat mode the Out Mix control couldn't be adjusted to blend input signal with the looping signal. 2) When feedback was set to produce echo effects, these echose weren't being captured into a loop. 3) When a repeating loop was released, and the feedback was set to produce echoes, the looped material was not being echoed. 4) When Inpfinite Repeat was engaged, and then momentarily disengaged, rather than acting as a momentary punch-in the entire loop was being replaced with new material. All of these are now working the way they would in the original PCM42 hardware. The only things the are still different are probably improvements over the original. That is, 1) the PCM42 would always capture the entire contents of memory into a loop, not just the currently defined loop length and 2) the Clock function now works so that the delay time is set to the currently defined ratio of the host application's tempo setting. I'm quite impressed by how quickly PSP responded to reports of these problems. I intend to use PSP42 and PSP84 in future performances, and I encourage others to check them out. The "fixes" I describe will be part of version 1.3, coming soon. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1159002678==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: PSP42 versus PCM42
The "anomalies" I discovered in PSP42 have been fixed in the current beta version. These consisted of four things:

1) When in Infinite Repeat mode the Out Mix control couldn't be adjusted to blend input signal with the looping signal.
2) When feedback was set to produce echo effects, these echose weren't being captured into a loop.
3) When a repeating loop was released, and the feedback was set to produce echoes, the looped material was not being echoed.
4) When Inpfinite Repeat was engaged, and then momentarily disengaged, rather than acting as a momentary punch-in the entire loop was being replaced with new material.

All of these are now working the way they would in the original PCM42 hardware. The only things the are still different are probably improvements over the original. That is, 1) the PCM42 would always capture the entire contents of memory into a loop, not just the currently defined loop length and 2) the Clock function now works so that the delay time is set to the currently defined ratio of the host application's tempo setting.

I'm quite impressed by how quickly PSP responded to reports of these problems. I intend to use PSP42 and PSP84 in future performances, and I encourage others to check them out. The "fixes" I describe will be part of version 1.3, coming soon.
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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
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--============_-1159002678==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 19:16:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4GNDKx14306; Fri, 16 May 2003 19:13:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:13:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:11:41 -0700 Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3135946301_36826_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3135946301_36826_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit dr.- is there still a review from you of the psp42 upcoming? if there is please post it or the url. when its there if you can... thank you stan The "anomalies" I discovered in PSP42 have been fixed in the current beta version. These consisted of four things: 1) When in Infinite Repeat mode the Out Mix control couldn't be adjusted to blend input signal with the looping signal. 2) When feedback was set to produce echo effects, these echose weren't being captured into a loop. 3) When a repeating loop was released, and the feedback was set to produce echoes, the looped material was not being echoed. 4) When Inpfinite Repeat was engaged, and then momentarily disengaged, rather than acting as a momentary punch-in the entire loop was being replaced with new material. All of these are now working the way they would in the original PCM42 hardware. The only things the are still different are probably improvements over the original. That is, 1) the PCM42 would always capture the entire contents of memory into a loop, not just the currently defined loop length and 2) the Clock function now works so that the delay time is set to the currently defined ratio of the host application's tempo setting. I'm quite impressed by how quickly PSP responded to reports of these problems. I intend to use PSP42 and PSP84 in future performances, and I encourage others to check them out. The "fixes" I describe will be part of version 1.3, coming soon. --MS_Mac_OE_3135946301_36826_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 dr.-
is there still a review from you of the psp42 upcoming? if there is please = post it or the url. when its there if you can...
thank you
stan

The "anomalies" I discovered in PSP42 have been fixed= in the current beta version. These consisted of four things:

1) When in Infinite Repeat mode the Out Mix control couldn't be= adjusted to blend input signal with the looping signal.
2) When feedback was set to produce echo effects, these echose weren't bein= g captured into a loop.
3) When a repeating loop was released, and the feedback was set to produce = echoes, the looped material was not being echoed.
4) When Inpfinite Repeat was engaged, and then momentarily disengaged, rath= er than acting as a momentary punch-in the entire loop was being replaced wi= th new material.

All of these are now working the way they would in the original PCM42 hardw= are. The only things the are still different are probably improvements over = the original. That is, 1) the PCM42 would always capture the entire contents= of memory into a loop, not just the currently defined loop length and 2) th= e Clock function now works so that the delay time is set to the currently de= fined ratio of the host application's tempo setting.

I'm quite impressed by how quickly PSP responded to reports of these proble= ms. I intend to use PSP42 and PSP84 in future performances, and I encourage = others to check them out. The "fixes" I describe will be part of v= ersion 1.3, coming soon.

--MS_Mac_OE_3135946301_36826_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 20:18:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4H0HtH19558; Fri, 16 May 2003 20:17:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:17:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:13:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: PSP42 versus PCM42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:11 PM -0700 5/16/03, wrote: >is there still a review from you of the psp42 upcoming? if there is >please post it or the url. when its there if you can... I just turned it in today. I should be up on audioMIDI.com later next week. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 01:28:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4H5Qro18136; Sat, 17 May 2003 01:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 01:26:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EC5C708.926EF4B9@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:22:17 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 and www.mp3.com/cphere References: <7E4A9366.09FDD058.007D6382@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul, I really enjoyed the track - very cool, and I found myself trying to figure out what you were doing in a few spots, so I may have to get you to explain it one of these days... and the dedication is too kind, good sir. And of course, Cara's Naked Blues are always a hit in my book! *ahem* Nudge nudge wink wink, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > > groovy live material. How did the audience respond? > if you like, check out my glitch-core rendition on > www.mp3.com/cphere > > the tune in mind is ode to a zen loop grandmaster > > peace From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 09:20:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HDJ5R19662; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:19:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:19:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: anything for sale? Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:18:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2003 13:18:58.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0222A80:01C31C76] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dont know if your in the UK but I just got a Digitech X series digidelay to use for vocal loops and i would really recomend it as a budget alternative it has 4 seconds of delay a massive 8 seconds of reverse delay (with forward) it has vintage sounding echo an intergrated looper with overdub and amp modeling. I got mine for £79 with a mains adapter!!!!! >From: "gnarly gnarl" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: anything for sale? >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:52:44 -0400 > >hello i was wondering if anyone had any old dod or digitech pedals that >they want to part with for cheap. > >also does anyone know how to fix malfunctioning pedals? > >love mike > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 09:47:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HDkGV21496; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:46:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:46:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <189.1980476c.2bf79721@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:46:09 EDT Subject: gig spam, and new web site spam... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_189.1980476c.2bf79721_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: <3gE7GC.A.vPF.o0jx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_189.1980476c.2bf79721_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.9andZen.com Hello fellow loopers, I'm sure we wont find anyone who will be in Montana for our shows, but I thought I would like to post this any way that we have nearly 40 up and coming performances throughout the year... 9 and Zen began as a looping duo, now we have added two more people... Only two of us are looping so far ... myself two EDPs in stereo with a nine string bass (www.BEEbasses.com), and the co founder of the group loops with a single EDP in mono with a Zendrum www.zendrum.com. Anyway, please check out www.9andZen.com if you would! We'd love to rock that counter... thanks for your time! Regards, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.9andZen.com www.BEEbasses.com --part1_189.1980476c.2bf79721_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable www.9andZen.com

Hello fellow loopers, I'm sure we wont find anyone who will be in Montana fo= r our shows, but I thought I would like to post this any way that we have ne= arly 40 up and coming performances throughout the year...

9 and Zen began as a looping duo, now we have added two more people...

Only two of us are looping so far ... myself two EDPs in stereo with a nine=20= string bass (www.BEEbasses.com), and the co founder of the group loops with=20= a single EDP in mono with a Zendrum www.zendrum.com.

Anyway, please check out www.9andZen.com if you would! We'd love to rock tha= t counter...

thanks for your time!

Regards,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.9andZen.com
www.BEEbasses.com --part1_189.1980476c.2bf79721_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 10:46:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HEjJA28443; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 10:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EC64DC1.ACF92384@erols.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 10:57:05 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: EDP, FCB1010, MIDI clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <60sAzD.A.S8G._rkx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, In trying to make a decision on the FCB-1010 or the EFC-7, something dawned on me. If one was using the FCB-1010 to control the EDP, I'm assuming you'd have to set the EDP to MIDI IN, would the EDP still be able to send MIDI clock to other devices(an Adrenalinn and a MPX-200)? This would be a key issue for me because I'd really like to sync the sounds of the Adrenalinn to the EDP. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 12:31:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HGUlB08057; Sat, 17 May 2003 12:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 12:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c31c91$a7a2dd10$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3EC64DC1.ACF92384@erols.com> Subject: Re: EDP, FCB1010, MIDI clock Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:30:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <5OFooB.A.t9B.3Omx-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com naaaaa midi In only relates to the clock this will work fine Claude my 02. whatever get both efc 7 for the classic rdp functions fcb for the finesse fuctions > Hi, > In trying to make a decision on the FCB-1010 or the EFC-7, something > dawned on me. > > If one was using the FCB-1010 to control the EDP, I'm assuming you'd > have to set the EDP to MIDI IN, would the EDP still be able to send MIDI > clock to other devices(an Adrenalinn and a MPX-200)? This would be a > key issue for me because I'd really like to sync the sounds of the > Adrenalinn to the EDP. > > Thanks, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 15:46:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HJiPk31728; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:44:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:44:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:44:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I want to begin performing some of my music live. I'm looking for a Very Stable machine/unit/box that I can load/record my VST32/SX songs into and play live with a drummer and bass player. Here's the hard part, it seems. I want to establish one or more loop points in each song that I can trigger (preferably via midi) so that a particular piece of the song will seamlessly loop until I give the command to stop looping and continue playing thru the song. I've talked to Tascam, Yamaha and Roland. They say they don't have anything that will do something that is such a no-brainer for Cubase and other sofware programs. I just want to loop certain pre-determined parts of song - seamlessly - glitch free. Is that too much to ask? I hope not. I don't want to use Cubase because it's not stable for a live performance - imo. Too scary for me! Any ideas? Thanks! M... Btw, someone has mentioned the Roland CDX-1, but I can't find the manual on the web. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 16:04:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HK3IG01930; Sat, 17 May 2003 16:03:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:03:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c31cae$776b16e0$6401a8c0@ne1.client2.attbi.com> From: "Bill Edmondson" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:56:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com why not just use a cheap sampler and assign each prerecorded loop to a different note? have the sample loop as you hold the key and stop when you release the note. or you can also have the loop stop when you hit another key if you don't want to hold the note for the whole section. a used $200 alesis qsr sampler and a used $300 roland pk-5 (or a fc100 connected to a midisolutions box to convert program changes to note numbers) would be an inexpensive solution to do such a thing. the down side is that the band will need to sync to the pre-recorded stuff. in effect, you'd have a foot-controlled looper. you could even create a 'click' loop to get the tune started in the right tempo. cheap and stable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help > Hi, > > I want to begin performing some of my music live. > > I'm looking for a Very Stable machine/unit/box that I can load/record my > VST32/SX songs into and play live with a drummer and bass player. > > Here's the hard part, it seems. I want to establish one or more loop > points in each song that I can trigger (preferably via midi) so that a > particular piece of the song will seamlessly loop until I give the command > to stop looping and continue playing thru the song. > > I've talked to Tascam, Yamaha and Roland. They say they don't have > anything that will do something that is such a no-brainer for Cubase and > other sofware programs. I just want to loop certain pre-determined parts > of song - seamlessly - glitch free. Is that too much to ask? I hope not. > > I don't want to use Cubase because it's not stable for a live performance - > imo. Too scary for me! > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > M... > > Btw, someone has mentioned the Roland CDX-1, but I can't find the manual on > the web. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 16:30:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HKQ1X03842; Sat, 17 May 2003 16:26:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:26:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <200305172232410090.00216D55@mail.gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <200305162111.h4GLBBH32349@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200305162111.h4GLBBH32349@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.01.02 (2) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:32:41 +0200 From: "David Kuckhermann" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new member Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4HKQ1B03818 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! I´m a percussion-looper from germany, and was a member already for a short while some time ago. I use a dl4 and a repeater. my website is now online at http://www.framedrums.de , there are also some of my looping-sounds. best, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 17:24:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HLNAZ10304; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:23:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c31cba$503bd8a0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <200305162111.h4GLBBH32349@hemlock.violacea.com> <200305172232410090.00216D55@mail.gmx.net> Subject: Re: new member Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:21:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey i love your stuff david! did you make the loops 1, 2, 3? killer stuff my man. thanks for the heads up. peace and welcome! jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com denver, colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kuckhermann To: Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: new member > > Hi! > > I´m a percussion-looper from germany, and was a > member already for a short while some time ago. > I use a dl4 and a repeater. > my website is now online at http://www.framedrums.de , > there are also some of my looping-sounds. > > best, > David > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 17:53:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HLql013393; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:52:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:52:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:56:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Akai Mpc2000 hardware sequencer and sampler. Thats what i use live and do what u'r asking. simply create a series of sequences which u can then jump between via the 16 pads, the sequences repeat until u hit the next one. e.g. seq 1 consist of a 16bar 32track performance this will loop until i hit a pad to select seq 2 which is a 2bar 4 track performance which will loop until i hit ..... so simply hack u'r song up into chunks, load it into the MPC..... u get the picture. G on 17/5/03 10:44 pm, Michael Clark at mcl451@airmail.net wrote: > Hi, > > I want to begin performing some of my music live. > > I'm looking for a Very Stable machine/unit/box that I can load/record my > VST32/SX songs into and play live with a drummer and bass player. > > Here's the hard part, it seems. I want to establish one or more loop > points in each song that I can trigger (preferably via midi) so that a > particular piece of the song will seamlessly loop until I give the command > to stop looping and continue playing thru the song. > > I've talked to Tascam, Yamaha and Roland. They say they don't have > anything that will do something that is such a no-brainer for Cubase and > other sofware programs. I just want to loop certain pre-determined parts > of song - seamlessly - glitch free. Is that too much to ask? I hope not. > > I don't want to use Cubase because it's not stable for a live performance - > imo. Too scary for me! > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > M... > > Btw, someone has mentioned the Roland CDX-1, but I can't find the manual on > the web. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 19:55:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HNrrW27079; Sat, 17 May 2003 19:53:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:53:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030517175947.00a17100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:59:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 In-Reply-To: <7E4A9366.09FDD058.007D6382@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool beans!, glad ya liked it! They did too, complimenting me after my set. Re: your material, might you e-mail this piece to me, the mp3.com ridiculous registration fluff page is not real screen=reader-friendly, thus, REALLY F#$%ING ANNOYING! lol! Thanks a bunch! Smiles, Cara At 01:19 PM 5/16/03 -0400, you wrote: >groovy live material. How did the audience respond? >if you like, check out my glitch-core rendition on >www.mp3.com/cphere > >the tune in mind is ode to a zen loop grandmaster > >peace > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 20:04:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4I02xn29078; Sat, 17 May 2003 20:02:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:02:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030517180853.00a182c0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:08:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 and www.mp3.com/cphere In-Reply-To: <3EC5C708.926EF4B9@earthlink.net> References: <7E4A9366.09FDD058.007D6382@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 80 cycles Babe! lol! Aw, yer' sweet... -and speaking of compliments, I really like yer' sus action with the insert modes! lol! So, when ya gonna be a tease, and post another lil' tidbit o- glitch madness? -hmmm?... -Have a wonderful day, K? Be Loopful and Multiply... CQ At 10:22 PM 5/16/03 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Paul, > >I really enjoyed the track - very cool, and I found myself trying to >figure out what you were doing in a few spots, so I may have to get you >to explain it one of these days... and the dedication is too kind, good sir. > >And of course, Cara's Naked Blues are always a hit in my book! *ahem* > >Nudge nudge wink wink, > >--Andre LaFosse >The Echoplex Analysis Pages: >http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > > > >Paulzric@aol.com wrote: >> >> groovy live material. How did the audience respond? >> if you like, check out my glitch-core rendition on >> www.mp3.com/cphere >> >> the tune in mind is ode to a zen loop grandmaster >> >> peace > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 21:03:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4I128W02017; Sat, 17 May 2003 21:02:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:02:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:02:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2003 01:02:02.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[1787C2C0:01C31CD9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You mean like ableton's Live program? bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- site updated: last monday ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help > Hi, > > I want to begin performing some of my music live. > > I'm looking for a Very Stable machine/unit/box that I can load/record my > VST32/SX songs into and play live with a drummer and bass player. > > Here's the hard part, it seems. I want to establish one or more loop > points in each song that I can trigger (preferably via midi) so that a > particular piece of the song will seamlessly loop until I give the command > to stop looping and continue playing thru the song. > > I've talked to Tascam, Yamaha and Roland. They say they don't have > anything that will do something that is such a no-brainer for Cubase and > other sofware programs. I just want to loop certain pre-determined parts > of song - seamlessly - glitch free. Is that too much to ask? I hope not. > > I don't want to use Cubase because it's not stable for a live performance - > imo. Too scary for me! > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > M... > > Btw, someone has mentioned the Roland CDX-1, but I can't find the manual on > the web. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 08:05:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IC4hh32587; Sun, 18 May 2003 08:04:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 08:04:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02b401c31d35$b0f452a0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <200305162111.h4GLBBH32349@hemlock.violacea.com> <200305172232410090.00216D55@mail.gmx.net> Subject: Re: new member Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 09:56:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi David, You too, eh? :) Great to see another familiar face. Regards Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For May 2003** Rhythmweb http://rhythmweb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kuckhermann" To: Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: new member Hi! I´m a percussion-looper from germany, and was a member already for a short while some time ago. I use a dl4 and a repeater. my website is now online at http://www.framedrums.de , there are also some of my looping-sounds. best, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 11:55:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IFsnU20508; Sun, 18 May 2003 11:54:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 11:54:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20030518105435.006ec6f4@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:54:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help In-Reply-To: <002f01c31cae$776b16e0$6401a8c0@ne1.client2.attbi.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8kYZMD.A.IAF.-y6x-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill, Thanks. I am hoping to find a unit that works sort of like cubase in a hardware form: the song is completely composed and recorded with loop points positioned in parts of the song. To loop a part, i simply tell the unit to loop that part. When i tell the unit to stop looping, the song then continues - as it would in cubase or another software program. I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of software programs. Maybe the hardware world - for this type of application - hasn't really caught up, or functions very differently. A sampler may work, but some of the songs are 20 minutes long. May be a RAM issue with the sampler. I do know that Cirque du Soliel works this way, but the samples are mainly sort intros, rather than long songs. Michael At 03:56 PM 5/17/03 -0400, you wrote: >why not just use a cheap sampler and assign each prerecorded loop to a >different note? have the sample loop as you hold the key and stop when you >release the note. or you can also have the loop stop when you hit another >key if you don't want to hold the note for the whole section. a used $200 >alesis qsr sampler and a used $300 roland pk-5 (or a fc100 connected to a >midisolutions box to convert program changes to note numbers) would be an >inexpensive solution to do such a thing. the down side is that the band will >need to sync to the pre-recorded stuff. in effect, you'd have a >foot-controlled looper. you could even create a 'click' loop to get the tune >started in the right tempo. cheap and stable. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Clark" >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 5:44 PM >Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help > > >> Hi, >> >> I want to begin performing some of my music live. >> >> I'm looking for a Very Stable machine/unit/box that I can load/record my >> VST32/SX songs into and play live with a drummer and bass player. >> >> Here's the hard part, it seems. I want to establish one or more loop >> points in each song that I can trigger (preferably via midi) so that a >> particular piece of the song will seamlessly loop until I give the command >> to stop looping and continue playing thru the song. >> >> I've talked to Tascam, Yamaha and Roland. They say they don't have >> anything that will do something that is such a no-brainer for Cubase and >> other sofware programs. I just want to loop certain pre-determined parts >> of song - seamlessly - glitch free. Is that too much to ask? I hope not. >> >> I don't want to use Cubase because it's not stable for a live >performance - >> imo. Too scary for me! >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks! >> >> M... >> >> Btw, someone has mentioned the Roland CDX-1, but I can't find the manual >on >> the web. >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 11:59:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IFxFn22513; Sun, 18 May 2003 11:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 11:59:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20030518105904.006f1aa0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:59:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - NeedHelp In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Geof, Does the mpc2000 loop seamlessly - iow - if i am midway thru in a section of the song that i am looping, and give the command to go to the next part, will the machine play thru the rest of the looped part and seamlessly )no glitches/delays) go to the next part. Or, will it immediately jump to the next part? Thanks, Michael At 10:56 PM 5/17/03 +0100, you wrote: >Akai Mpc2000 >hardware sequencer and sampler. >Thats what i use live and do what u'r asking. >simply create a series of sequences which u can then jump between via the 16 >pads, the sequences repeat until u hit the next one. >e.g. seq 1 consist of a 16bar 32track performance this will loop until i hit >a pad to select seq 2 which is a 2bar 4 track performance which will loop >until i hit ..... >so simply hack u'r song up into chunks, load it into the MPC..... >u get the picture. >G > >on 17/5/03 10:44 pm, Michael Clark at mcl451@airmail.net wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I want to begin performing some of my music live. >> >> I'm looking for a Very Stable machine/unit/box that I can load/record my >> VST32/SX songs into and play live with a drummer and bass player. >> >> Here's the hard part, it seems. I want to establish one or more loop >> points in each song that I can trigger (preferably via midi) so that a >> particular piece of the song will seamlessly loop until I give the command >> to stop looping and continue playing thru the song. >> >> I've talked to Tascam, Yamaha and Roland. They say they don't have >> anything that will do something that is such a no-brainer for Cubase and >> other sofware programs. I just want to loop certain pre-determined parts >> of song - seamlessly - glitch free. Is that too much to ask? I hope not. >> >> I don't want to use Cubase because it's not stable for a live performance - >> imo. Too scary for me! >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks! >> >> M... >> >> Btw, someone has mentioned the Roland CDX-1, but I can't find the manual on >> the web. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 12:05:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IG4Kv23074; Sun, 18 May 2003 12:04:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:04:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20030518110418.006ec238@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 11:04:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi bIz, Well, I use Live while composing a song. Ususally VST32 with Live running as a slave. Great program! I would rather not take a computer on stage. Cubase and Live have crashed or locked up sooooo many times. And, I have a fairly powerful computer! Thanks! Michael At 06:02 PM 5/17/03 -0700, you wrote: >You mean like ableton's Live program? > >bIz >--------------------- >www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday >Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do >better with a cassette deck and a microphone." >--------------------- >site updated: last monday >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Clark" >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 2:44 PM >Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help > > >> Hi, >> >> I want to begin performing some of my music live. >> >> I'm looking for a Very Stable machine/unit/box that I can load/record my >> VST32/SX songs into and play live with a drummer and bass player. >> >> Here's the hard part, it seems. I want to establish one or more loop >> points in each song that I can trigger (preferably via midi) so that a >> particular piece of the song will seamlessly loop until I give the command >> to stop looping and continue playing thru the song. >> >> I've talked to Tascam, Yamaha and Roland. They say they don't have >> anything that will do something that is such a no-brainer for Cubase and >> other sofware programs. I just want to loop certain pre-determined parts >> of song - seamlessly - glitch free. Is that too much to ask? I hope not. >> >> I don't want to use Cubase because it's not stable for a live >performance - >> imo. Too scary for me! >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks! >> >> M... >> >> Btw, someone has mentioned the Roland CDX-1, but I can't find the manual >on >> the web. >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 12:15:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IGDp123959; Sun, 18 May 2003 12:13:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:13:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c31d58$778f1860$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20030518105435.006ec6f4@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:13:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <16xXxB.A.O2F._E7x-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael- Man, I wish Sonar worked like that. I'm using a sequencer called "MIDI Maestro" (www.midimaestro.com) to do what you're talking about live (having certain sections in the song that loop until I send the sequence a message to continue). I guess I would rather use dedicated hardware for this job though, if I could find something that would do it. It would be nice if the medium I compose in -- Sonar -- was capable of this, as I will be taking my PC out anyway to use as a standalone Kontakt sampler. It's kind of ridiculous that it's not. Oh well. Maybe in a future release. Anyway, I have a great deal of interest in this thread, because I'm looking for the same thing. Not the MPC style of breaking the song into sections and triggering them from pads. Just one long MIDI file that has pointers in it for looped parts. I have thought about using a sampler like Bill suggested on LD. An Akai S6000 can have 256MB of memory, which means about 25 minutes worth of stereo audio. BUT, if you want to have one instrument that you can dynamically mute and/or effect, then you would have to have it as a seperate sample, so your time would go down to 12.5 minutes. If you want several instruments (samples) to be able to control independently, then your sample time continues to be reduced. I don't think this is the answer for what it is we both seem to want. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help > Hi Bill, > > Thanks. I am hoping to find a unit that works sort of like cubase in a > hardware form: the song is completely composed and recorded with loop > points positioned in parts of the song. To loop a part, i simply tell the > unit to loop that part. When i tell the unit to stop looping, the song > then continues - as it would in cubase or another software program. > > I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of software programs. Maybe > the hardware world - for this type of application - hasn't really caught > up, or functions very differently. > > A sampler may work, but some of the songs are 20 minutes long. May be a > RAM issue with the sampler. > > I do know that Cirque du Soliel works this way, but the samples are mainly > sort intros, rather than long songs. > > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 13:27:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IHPAY01796; Sun, 18 May 2003 13:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:25:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20030518122506.006e3c68@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:25:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help In-Reply-To: <00a101c31d58$778f1860$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20030518105435.006ec6f4@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jesse, Agreed. I have an Akai S3000XL that has been dormant in my rack for years. I think I maxed it out at an astounding 32 Meg. I wish a sampler was the answer. Didn't realize that the hardware side of the coin was so different than the software realm. I tried one of the expensive Yamaha studio in a box recently. It did loop, but had about a 1 second downtime to reset and begin again. Duh. Can't the developers do any better than that? Anyway, my quest continues. Need help, please! Anyone have a source of the pdf manual for the Roland CDX-1 on the web? Thanks, Michael At 10:13 AM 5/18/03 -0600, you wrote: >Michael- > > Man, I wish Sonar worked like that. I'm using a sequencer called "MIDI >Maestro" (www.midimaestro.com) to do what you're talking about live (having >certain sections in the song that loop until I send the sequence a message >to continue). I guess I would rather use dedicated hardware for this job >though, if I could find something that would do it. It would be nice if the >medium I compose in -- Sonar -- was capable of this, as I will be taking my >PC out anyway to use as a standalone Kontakt sampler. It's kind of >ridiculous that it's not. Oh well. Maybe in a future release. Anyway, I >have a great deal of interest in this thread, because I'm looking for the >same thing. Not the MPC style of breaking the song into sections and >triggering them from pads. Just one long MIDI file that has pointers in it >for looped parts. > > I have thought about using a sampler like Bill suggested on LD. An Akai >S6000 can have 256MB of memory, which means about 25 minutes worth of stereo >audio. BUT, if you want to have one instrument that you can dynamically >mute and/or effect, then you would have to have it as a seperate sample, so >your time would go down to 12.5 minutes. If you want several instruments >(samples) to be able to control independently, then your sample time >continues to be reduced. I don't think this is the answer for what it is we >both seem to want. > >-Jesse > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Clark" >To: >Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:54 AM >Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need >Help > > >> Hi Bill, >> >> Thanks. I am hoping to find a unit that works sort of like cubase in a >> hardware form: the song is completely composed and recorded with loop >> points positioned in parts of the song. To loop a part, i simply tell the >> unit to loop that part. When i tell the unit to stop looping, the song >> then continues - as it would in cubase or another software program. >> >> I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of software programs. Maybe >> the hardware world - for this type of application - hasn't really caught >> up, or functions very differently. >> >> A sampler may work, but some of the songs are 20 minutes long. May be a >> RAM issue with the sampler. >> >> I do know that Cirque du Soliel works this way, but the samples are mainly >> sort intros, rather than long songs. >> >> Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 14:43:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IIgHO10272; Sun, 18 May 2003 14:42:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 14:42:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 11:42:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030518122506.006e3c68@mail.airmail.net> Message-Id: <70153FC1-8960-11D7-8F7C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Silly question, but have you tried the Repeater? It will do up to 8 min loop (max loop = 99) and it's fully midi controllable, syncable and a whole lot more. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, May 18, 2003, at 12:25 PM, Michael Clark wrote: >>> >>> I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of software programs. >>> Maybe >>> the hardware world - for this type of application - hasn't really >>> caught >>> up, or functions very differently. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 15:53:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IJq0P19044; Sun, 18 May 2003 15:52:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 15:52:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010e01c31d76$f09d6860$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20030518105435.006ec6f4@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20030518122506.006e3c68@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:51:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael- With my current setup I'm using computers to do this, but trying to distribute the activities to minimize the chance of crashes. That is, I'm using one computer for sample playback, and another for sequencing. So, all the sequencer (laptop) does is dump MIDI sequencer data and MIDI clock out its USB MIDI interface. All the sampler (desktop in a rackmount chassis) does is run NI Kontakt and listen for instructions. Seems to work... But I don't know about the stability of Cubase on your particular hardware setup. I've also done all the tweaks and optimizations at http://www.musicxp.net, which seem to have made things run smoother. Definitely get a power conditioner, and possibly a UPS if you're going to take your PC(s) out on gigs though. When the fuse blows because they run the whole stage off one outlet and 15amp breaker, you'll be glad you've got those 30 seconds to turn your shit off the right way. Heaven forbid you take a Linux box and it forces you to fsck the whole 80GB filesystem while the audience waits. Get your jokes ready... -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help > Hi Jesse, > > Agreed. > > I have an Akai S3000XL that has been dormant in my rack for years. I think > I maxed it out at an astounding 32 Meg. > > I wish a sampler was the answer. > > Didn't realize that the hardware side of the coin was so different than the > software realm. > > I tried one of the expensive Yamaha studio in a box recently. It did loop, > but had about a 1 second downtime to reset and begin again. Duh. Can't > the developers do any better than that? > > Anyway, my quest continues. > > Need help, please! > > Anyone have a source of the pdf manual for the Roland CDX-1 on the web? > > Thanks, > > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 16:01:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IK0co21083; Sun, 18 May 2003 16:00:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 16:00:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030518140631.00a17a40@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 14:06:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help In-Reply-To: <00a101c31d58$778f1860$bf08fc0c@amd> References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20030518105435.006ec6f4@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse, the groove boxes are capable of doing this. I suppose it depends on how long you'd like your looped parts to be though. I think all of the G-boxes except for the 909 have a 32 measure limit on pattern length. You can either call different loops via the keyboard pads or step through them. I know it isn't one midi file with markers, but if I'm hearing you correctly, you should be able to accomplish the same thing, or very similar. -Hope this helps... Smiles, Cara At 10:13 AM 5/18/03 -0600, you wrote: >Michael- > > Man, I wish Sonar worked like that. I'm using a sequencer called "MIDI >Maestro" (www.midimaestro.com) to do what you're talking about live (having >certain sections in the song that loop until I send the sequence a message >to continue). I guess I would rather use dedicated hardware for this job >though, if I could find something that would do it. It would be nice if the >medium I compose in -- Sonar -- was capable of this, as I will be taking my >PC out anyway to use as a standalone Kontakt sampler. It's kind of >ridiculous that it's not. Oh well. Maybe in a future release. Anyway, I >have a great deal of interest in this thread, because I'm looking for the >same thing. Not the MPC style of breaking the song into sections and >triggering them from pads. Just one long MIDI file that has pointers in it >for looped parts. > > I have thought about using a sampler like Bill suggested on LD. An Akai >S6000 can have 256MB of memory, which means about 25 minutes worth of stereo >audio. BUT, if you want to have one instrument that you can dynamically >mute and/or effect, then you would have to have it as a seperate sample, so >your time would go down to 12.5 minutes. If you want several instruments >(samples) to be able to control independently, then your sample time >continues to be reduced. I don't think this is the answer for what it is we >both seem to want. > >-Jesse > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Clark" >To: >Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:54 AM >Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need >Help > > >> Hi Bill, >> >> Thanks. I am hoping to find a unit that works sort of like cubase in a >> hardware form: the song is completely composed and recorded with loop >> points positioned in parts of the song. To loop a part, i simply tell the >> unit to loop that part. When i tell the unit to stop looping, the song >> then continues - as it would in cubase or another software program. >> >> I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of software programs. Maybe >> the hardware world - for this type of application - hasn't really caught >> up, or functions very differently. >> >> A sampler may work, but some of the songs are 20 minutes long. May be a >> RAM issue with the sampler. >> >> I do know that Cirque du Soliel works this way, but the samples are mainly >> sort intros, rather than long songs. >> >> Michael > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 16:27:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IKQxB23158; Sun, 18 May 2003 16:26:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 16:26:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20030518152657.006ecd8c@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 15:26:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help In-Reply-To: <70153FC1-8960-11D7-8F7C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20030518122506.006e3c68@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, I have a repeater. 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 17:35:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ILYdS30502; Sun, 18 May 2003 17:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030518232643.026afc78@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:35:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help In-Reply-To: <200305182108.h4IL8rs28306@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_45722054==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_45722054==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed High; I've been following this thread. The simple solution is the Akai MPC 2000XL. This is exactly how i'm using my MPC live. I'm sure i'll raise eyebrows when i say that the MPC is well capable of what you're doing with Cubase and more albeit in a somewhat different (read: more intuitive) way. Mail me off list if you would like to discuss this more. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_45722054==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" High;

I've been following this thread. The simple solution is the Akai MPC 2000XL. This is exactly how i'm using my MPC live. I'm sure i'll raise eyebrows when i say that the MPC is well capable of what you're doing with Cubase and more albeit in a somewhat different (read: more intuitive) way.

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 --=====================_45722054==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 18:39:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IMc0d04391; Sun, 18 May 2003 18:38:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:38:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030518223754.3977.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 15:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Sonars loop construction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00a101c31d58$778f1860$bf08fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Michael, I also use Sonar but havent really seen the advantages of the loop construction.Do you do a lot of loop work with it? L.a --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Michael- > > Man, I wish Sonar worked like that. I'm using a > sequencer called "MIDI > Maestro" (www.midimaestro.com) to do what you're > talking about live (having > certain sections in the song that loop until I send > the sequence a message > to continue). I guess I would rather use dedicated > hardware for this job > though, if I could find something that would do it. > It would be nice if the > medium I compose in -- Sonar -- was capable of this, > as I will be taking my > PC out anyway to use as a standalone Kontakt > sampler. It's kind of > ridiculous that it's not. Oh well. Maybe in a > future release. Anyway, I > have a great deal of interest in this thread, > because I'm looking for the > same thing. Not the MPC style of breaking the song > into sections and > triggering them from pads. Just one long MIDI file > that has pointers in it > for looped parts. > > I have thought about using a sampler like Bill > suggested on LD. An Akai > S6000 can have 256MB of memory, which means about 25 > minutes worth of stereo > audio. BUT, if you want to have one instrument that > you can dynamically > mute and/or effect, then you would have to have it > as a seperate sample, so > your time would go down to 12.5 minutes. If you > want several instruments > (samples) to be able to control independently, then > your sample time > continues to be reduced. I don't think this is the > answer for what it is we > both seem to want. > > -Jesse > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Clark" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping > Equipment Question - Need > Help > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > Thanks. I am hoping to find a unit that works > sort of like cubase in a > > hardware form: the song is completely composed > and recorded with loop > > points positioned in parts of the song. To loop a > part, i simply tell the > > unit to loop that part. When i tell the unit to > stop looping, the song > > then continues - as it would in cubase or another > software program. > > > > I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of > software programs. Maybe > > the hardware world - for this type of application > - hasn't really caught > > up, or functions very differently. > > > > A sampler may work, but some of the songs are 20 > minutes long. May be a > > RAM issue with the sampler. > > > > I do know that Cirque du Soliel works this way, > but the samples are mainly > > sort intros, rather than long songs. > > > > Michael > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 19:25:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4INNSc09371; Sun, 18 May 2003 19:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:23:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20030518182324.006f2048@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:23:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Sonars loop construction In-Reply-To: <20030518223754.3977.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00a101c31d58$778f1860$bf08fc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Jesse posted the reply regarding Sonar. I use Cubase and SX. Or, are you asking about various uses of looping via computer software? Thanks, Michael At 03:37 PM 5/18/03 -0700, you wrote: >Hi there Michael, >I also use Sonar but havent really seen the advantages >of the loop construction.Do you do a lot of loop work >with it? >L.a > > >--- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >> Michael- >> >> Man, I wish Sonar worked like that. I'm using a >> sequencer called "MIDI >> Maestro" (www.midimaestro.com) to do what you're >> talking about live (having >> certain sections in the song that loop until I send >> the sequence a message >> to continue). I guess I would rather use dedicated >> hardware for this job >> though, if I could find something that would do it. >> It would be nice if the >> medium I compose in -- Sonar -- was capable of this, >> as I will be taking my >> PC out anyway to use as a standalone Kontakt >> sampler. It's kind of >> ridiculous that it's not. Oh well. Maybe in a >> future release. Anyway, I >> have a great deal of interest in this thread, >> because I'm looking for the >> same thing. Not the MPC style of breaking the song >> into sections and >> triggering them from pads. Just one long MIDI file >> that has pointers in it >> for looped parts. >> >> I have thought about using a sampler like Bill >> suggested on LD. An Akai >> S6000 can have 256MB of memory, which means about 25 >> minutes worth of stereo >> audio. BUT, if you want to have one instrument that >> you can dynamically >> mute and/or effect, then you would have to have it >> as a seperate sample, so >> your time would go down to 12.5 minutes. If you >> want several instruments >> (samples) to be able to control independently, then >> your sample time >> continues to be reduced. I don't think this is the >> answer for what it is we >> both seem to want. >> >> -Jesse >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Clark" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping >> Equipment Question - Need >> Help >> >> >> > Hi Bill, >> > >> > Thanks. I am hoping to find a unit that works >> sort of like cubase in a >> > hardware form: the song is completely composed >> and recorded with loop >> > points positioned in parts of the song. To loop a >> part, i simply tell the >> > unit to loop that part. When i tell the unit to >> stop looping, the song >> > then continues - as it would in cubase or another >> software program. >> > >> > I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of >> software programs. Maybe >> > the hardware world - for this type of application >> - hasn't really caught >> > up, or functions very differently. >> > >> > A sampler may work, but some of the songs are 20 >> minutes long. May be a >> > RAM issue with the sampler. >> > >> > I do know that Cirque du Soliel works this way, >> but the samples are mainly >> > sort intros, rather than long songs. >> > >> > Michael >> > > >===== >www.labalou.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 01:53:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4J5qfc18801; Mon, 19 May 2003 01:52:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:52:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:52:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030518152657.006ecd8c@mail.airmail.net> Message-Id: <17CE9C98-89BE-11D7-8F7C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Off the original topic... I understand that a song can be 20 min, but that doesn't mean you'd need a 20 min loop. Where I'm going here is this: When does a loop get so long that it no longer appears to be a loop? If you actually use the Repeater's 8 min loop limit, would memory come into play? Not that it matters, as long as you get your musical point across, but I'm having a hard time imagining exactly what you're trying to do. If you're telling me that often the passages in your songs are 8 min and you want them to repeat at different times in the song, then I guess I get it. Is that what you're trying to do? Not really loop, but record a passage and then play it back at specific points in the song? Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, May 18, 2003, at 03:26 PM, Michael Clark wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I have a repeater. Many of my songs are 10 to 20 minutes with a > number of > different passages. > > Thanks, > > Michael > > At 11:42 AM 5/18/03 -0700, you wrote: >> Silly question, but have you tried the Repeater? It will do up to 8 >> min loop (max loop = 99) and it's fully midi controllable, syncable >> and >> a whole lot more. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Sunday, May 18, 2003, at 12:25 PM, Michael Clark wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>> I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of software programs. >>>>> Maybe >>>>> the hardware world - for this type of application - hasn't really >>>>> caught >>>>> up, or functions very differently. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 02:00:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4J5wo519760; Mon, 19 May 2003 01:58:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:58:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:58:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Sonars loop construction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030518182324.006f2048@mail.airmail.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's my favorite: http://www.motu.com/english/software/dp/dp26/ Stable as anything, and the only limit on loop length is based on how much ram you have. At a gig and a half, I've never found its limit. I can't wait to see the OSX version. Mark Sottilaro > Or, are you asking about various uses of looping via computer software? > > Thanks, > > Michael > > > At 03:37 PM 5/18/03 -0700, you wrote: >> Hi there Michael, >> I also use Sonar but havent really seen the advantages >> of the loop construction.Do you do a lot of loop work >> with it? >> L.a >> >> >> --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >>> Michael- >>> >>> Man, I wish Sonar worked like that. I'm using a >>> sequencer called "MIDI >>> Maestro" (www.midimaestro.com) to do what you're >>> talking about live (having >>> certain sections in the song that loop until I send >>> the sequence a message >>> to continue). I guess I would rather use dedicated >>> hardware for this job >>> though, if I could find something that would do it. >>> It would be nice if the >>> medium I compose in -- Sonar -- was capable of this, >>> as I will be taking my >>> PC out anyway to use as a standalone Kontakt >>> sampler. It's kind of >>> ridiculous that it's not. Oh well. Maybe in a >>> future release. Anyway, I >>> have a great deal of interest in this thread, >>> because I'm looking for the >>> same thing. Not the MPC style of breaking the song >>> into sections and >>> triggering them from pads. Just one long MIDI file >>> that has pointers in it >>> for looped parts. >>> >>> I have thought about using a sampler like Bill >>> suggested on LD. An Akai >>> S6000 can have 256MB of memory, which means about 25 >>> minutes worth of stereo >>> audio. BUT, if you want to have one instrument that >>> you can dynamically >>> mute and/or effect, then you would have to have it >>> as a seperate sample, so >>> your time would go down to 12.5 minutes. If you >>> want several instruments >>> (samples) to be able to control independently, then >>> your sample time >>> continues to be reduced. I don't think this is the >>> answer for what it is we >>> both seem to want. >>> >>> -Jesse >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Michael Clark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:54 AM >>> Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping >>> Equipment Question - Need >>> Help >>> >>> >>>> Hi Bill, >>>> >>>> Thanks. I am hoping to find a unit that works >>> sort of like cubase in a >>>> hardware form: the song is completely composed >>> and recorded with loop >>>> points positioned in parts of the song. To loop a >>> part, i simply tell the >>>> unit to loop that part. When i tell the unit to >>> stop looping, the song >>>> then continues - as it would in cubase or another >>> software program. >>>> >>>> I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of >>> software programs. Maybe >>>> the hardware world - for this type of application >>> - hasn't really caught >>>> up, or functions very differently. >>>> >>>> A sampler may work, but some of the songs are 20 >>> minutes long. May be a >>>> RAM issue with the sampler. >>>> >>>> I do know that Cirque du Soliel works this way, >>> but the samples are mainly >>>> sort intros, rather than long songs. >>>> >>>> Michael >>> >> >> >> ===== >> www.labalou.com >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >> http://search.yahoo.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 03:10:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4J77EL27116; Mon, 19 May 2003 03:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 03:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030519070708.40113.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Sonars loop construction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030518182324.006f2048@mail.airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry,michael yes i wanted to know more about the looping capabilities of Sonar but(apart from home projects with acid) i haven´t done any live looping with software. cu L.a --- Michael Clark wrote: > Hi, > > Jesse posted the reply regarding Sonar. I use > Cubase and SX. > > Or, are you asking about various uses of looping via > computer software? > > Thanks, > > Michael > > > At 03:37 PM 5/18/03 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi there Michael, > >I also use Sonar but havent really seen the > advantages > >of the loop construction.Do you do a lot of loop > work > >with it? > >L.a > > > > > >--- Jesse Ray Lucas > wrote: > >> Michael- > >> > >> Man, I wish Sonar worked like that. I'm > using a > >> sequencer called "MIDI > >> Maestro" (www.midimaestro.com) to do what you're > >> talking about live (having > >> certain sections in the song that loop until I > send > >> the sequence a message > >> to continue). I guess I would rather use > dedicated > >> hardware for this job > >> though, if I could find something that would do > it. > >> It would be nice if the > >> medium I compose in -- Sonar -- was capable of > this, > >> as I will be taking my > >> PC out anyway to use as a standalone Kontakt > >> sampler. It's kind of > >> ridiculous that it's not. Oh well. Maybe in a > >> future release. Anyway, I > >> have a great deal of interest in this thread, > >> because I'm looking for the > >> same thing. Not the MPC style of breaking the > song > >> into sections and > >> triggering them from pads. Just one long MIDI > file > >> that has pointers in it > >> for looped parts. > >> > >> I have thought about using a sampler like > Bill > >> suggested on LD. An Akai > >> S6000 can have 256MB of memory, which means about > 25 > >> minutes worth of stereo > >> audio. BUT, if you want to have one instrument > that > >> you can dynamically > >> mute and/or effect, then you would have to have > it > >> as a seperate sample, so > >> your time would go down to 12.5 minutes. If you > >> want several instruments > >> (samples) to be able to control independently, > then > >> your sample time > >> continues to be reduced. I don't think this is > the > >> answer for what it is we > >> both seem to want. > >> > >> -Jesse > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Michael Clark" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:54 AM > >> Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping > >> Equipment Question - Need > >> Help > >> > >> > >> > Hi Bill, > >> > > >> > Thanks. I am hoping to find a unit that works > >> sort of like cubase in a > >> > hardware form: the song is completely composed > >> and recorded with loop > >> > points positioned in parts of the song. To > loop a > >> part, i simply tell the > >> > unit to loop that part. When i tell the unit > to > >> stop looping, the song > >> > then continues - as it would in cubase or > another > >> software program. > >> > > >> > I'm very accustomed to working with a variety > of > >> software programs. Maybe > >> > the hardware world - for this type of > application > >> - hasn't really caught > >> > up, or functions very differently. > >> > > >> > A sampler may work, but some of the songs are > 20 > >> minutes long. May be a > >> > RAM issue with the sampler. > >> > > >> > I do know that Cirque du Soliel works this way, > >> but the samples are mainly > >> > sort intros, rather than long songs. > >> > > >> > Michael > >> > > > > > >===== > >www.labalou.com > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 03:25:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4J7OHt28488; Mon, 19 May 2003 03:24:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 03:24:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030519072411.33558.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Master and slave To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00bc01c315a0$cd773c40$2763f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doing SYNC testing with both the EDP and Repeater units, the EDP has definetly won the master and the repeater its slave but i am curious to hear how most of us users of both are syncing them,pros and cons? bests L.a ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 08:56:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JCt4i25043; Mon, 19 May 2003 08:55:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:55:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20030519075506.006f0a04@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:55:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help In-Reply-To: <17CE9C98-89BE-11D7-8F7C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20030518152657.006ecd8c@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, Thanks for the reply. Yes, the songs have several passages. I want to be able to loop a given passage for improvisational purposes - trying to get away from the play to the cd thing. Each of these passages can be looped to extend the improv aspect. The passages are maybe 5-8 minutes, each. I compose on computer, so I guess I'm thinking in a linear way. The song is cued and begins. I've set loop points to loop passage B. I'm now in the middle of passage B and decide to stretch it out. I trigger the loop. The playback unit is ready to roll seamlessly in to the next passages as soon I decide to end the loop (I decide to end the loop midway thru the loop and the loop plays to the end and then the song continues into the next passage - just like on a computer system). What I hope to avoid is chopping all of the passages up. I don't even care to rearrange the passages (at the moment at least). Most of the posts seem to suggest having the looped passage on a different machine and somehow bringing that part into play when i'm ready to loop. What I don't understand is what happens to the remainder of the passages. Sounds very cumbersome and very iffy. Thanks! Michael At 10:52 PM 5/18/03 -0700, you wrote: >Off the original topic... I understand that a song can be 20 min, but >that doesn't mean you'd need a 20 min loop. Where I'm going here is >this: When does a loop get so long that it no longer appears to be a >loop? If you actually use the Repeater's 8 min loop limit, would >memory come into play? Not that it matters, as long as you get your >musical point across, but I'm having a hard time imagining exactly what >you're trying to do. If you're telling me that often the passages in >your songs are 8 min and you want them to repeat at different times in >the song, then I guess I get it. Is that what you're trying to do? >Not really loop, but record a passage and then play it back at >specific points in the song? > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Sunday, May 18, 2003, at 03:26 PM, Michael Clark wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> I have a repeater. Many of my songs are 10 to 20 minutes with a >> number of >> different passages. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michael >> >> At 11:42 AM 5/18/03 -0700, you wrote: >>> Silly question, but have you tried the Repeater? It will do up to 8 >>> min loop (max loop = 99) and it's fully midi controllable, syncable >>> and >>> a whole lot more. >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> On Sunday, May 18, 2003, at 12:25 PM, Michael Clark wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of software programs. >>>>>> Maybe >>>>>> the hardware world - for this type of application - hasn't really >>>>>> caught >>>>>> up, or functions very differently. >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 08:57:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JCuSs25145; Mon, 19 May 2003 08:56:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:56:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20030519075630.00695bc8@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:56:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Sonars loop construction In-Reply-To: <20030519070708.40113.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20030518182324.006f2048@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4JCuSB25119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi cu, Jesse uses Sonar, I think. Michael At 12:07 AM 5/19/03 -0700, you wrote: >sorry,michael yes i wanted to know more about the >looping capabilities of Sonar but(apart from home >projects with acid) i haven´t done any live looping >with software. >cu >L.a > > > > > >--- Michael Clark wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Jesse posted the reply regarding Sonar. I use >> Cubase and SX. >> >> Or, are you asking about various uses of looping via >> computer software? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michael >> >> >> At 03:37 PM 5/18/03 -0700, you wrote: >> >Hi there Michael, >> >I also use Sonar but havent really seen the >> advantages >> >of the loop construction.Do you do a lot of loop >> work >> >with it? >> >L.a >> > >> > >> >--- Jesse Ray Lucas >> wrote: >> >> Michael- >> >> >> >> Man, I wish Sonar worked like that. I'm >> using a >> >> sequencer called "MIDI >> >> Maestro" (www.midimaestro.com) to do what you're >> >> talking about live (having >> >> certain sections in the song that loop until I >> send >> >> the sequence a message >> >> to continue). I guess I would rather use >> dedicated >> >> hardware for this job >> >> though, if I could find something that would do >> it. >> >> It would be nice if the >> >> medium I compose in -- Sonar -- was capable of >> this, >> >> as I will be taking my >> >> PC out anyway to use as a standalone Kontakt >> >> sampler. It's kind of >> >> ridiculous that it's not. Oh well. Maybe in a >> >> future release. Anyway, I >> >> have a great deal of interest in this thread, >> >> because I'm looking for the >> >> same thing. Not the MPC style of breaking the >> song >> >> into sections and >> >> triggering them from pads. Just one long MIDI >> file >> >> that has pointers in it >> >> for looped parts. >> >> >> >> I have thought about using a sampler like >> Bill >> >> suggested on LD. An Akai >> >> S6000 can have 256MB of memory, which means about >> 25 >> >> minutes worth of stereo >> >> audio. BUT, if you want to have one instrument >> that >> >> you can dynamically >> >> mute and/or effect, then you would have to have >> it >> >> as a seperate sample, so >> >> your time would go down to 12.5 minutes. If you >> >> want several instruments >> >> (samples) to be able to control independently, >> then >> >> your sample time >> >> continues to be reduced. I don't think this is >> the >> >> answer for what it is we >> >> both seem to want. >> >> >> >> -Jesse >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Michael Clark" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:54 AM >> >> Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping >> >> Equipment Question - Need >> >> Help >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Bill, >> >> > >> >> > Thanks. I am hoping to find a unit that works >> >> sort of like cubase in a >> >> > hardware form: the song is completely composed >> >> and recorded with loop >> >> > points positioned in parts of the song. To >> loop a >> >> part, i simply tell the >> >> > unit to loop that part. When i tell the unit >> to >> >> stop looping, the song >> >> > then continues - as it would in cubase or >> another >> >> software program. >> >> > >> >> > I'm very accustomed to working with a variety >> of >> >> software programs. Maybe >> >> > the hardware world - for this type of >> application >> >> - hasn't really caught >> >> > up, or functions very differently. >> >> > >> >> > A sampler may work, but some of the songs are >> 20 >> >> minutes long. May be a >> >> > RAM issue with the sampler. >> >> > >> >> > I do know that Cirque du Soliel works this way, >> >> but the samples are mainly >> >> > sort intros, rather than long songs. >> >> > >> >> > Michael >> >> >> > >> > >> >===== >> >www.labalou.com >> > >> >__________________________________ >> >Do you Yahoo!? >> >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >> >http://search.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > > >===== >www.labalou.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 11:43:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JFeBl13432; Mon, 19 May 2003 11:40:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:40:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20030519072411.33558.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Master and slave Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:40:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2003 15:40:05.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB8A1AC0:01C31E1C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've only had luck syncing the Repeater to the EDP. With loopIV, the EDP has some really great features to be a "master" clock source. I've also had more trouble with accuracy when defining loops on the repeater, as compared to the EDP. I'm using the same FCB1010 pedal with both, but I feel like the EDP responds to my timing presses much more accurately. It could be just me, but I doubt it - anyone else experience this? Jon > Doing SYNC testing with both the EDP and Repeater > units, the EDP has definetly won the master and the > repeater its slave but i am curious to hear how most > of us users of both are syncing them,pros and cons? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 11:53:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JFqd514998; Mon, 19 May 2003 11:52:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:52:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Master and slave Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:47:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c31e1d$ed65c320$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe the repeater 'rounds' to the nearest beat for many button presses when you sync to MIDI. Could this be it? Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Wagner [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:40 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Master and slave > > > I've only had luck syncing the Repeater to the EDP. With > loopIV, the EDP > has some really great features to be a "master" clock source. > > I've also had more trouble with accuracy when defining loops on the > repeater, as compared to the EDP. I'm using the same FCB1010 > pedal with > both, but I feel like the EDP responds to my timing presses much more > accurately. It could be just me, but I doubt it - anyone > else experience > this? > Jon > > > > Doing SYNC testing with both the EDP and Repeater > > units, the EDP has definetly won the master and the > > repeater its slave but i am curious to hear how most > > of us users of both are syncing them,pros and cons? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 12:03:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JG0Mv17393; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20030518110418.006ec238@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:00:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2003 16:00:15.0690 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCCD5AA0:01C31E1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I wouldn't take Cubase on stage. Live however, I wouldn't have a problem with. In fact, I've done it several times. Just stay away from VST plugins, unless you are >really< sure about them. bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- site updated: last monday ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help > Hi bIz, > > Well, I use Live while composing a song. Ususally VST32 with Live running > as a slave. Great program! > > I would rather not take a computer on stage. Cubase and Live have crashed > or locked up sooooo many times. And, I have a fairly powerful computer! > > Thanks! > > Michael > > > At 06:02 PM 5/17/03 -0700, you wrote: > >You mean like ableton's Live program? > > > >bIz > >--------------------- > >www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday > >Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do > >better with a cassette deck and a microphone." > >--------------------- > >site updated: last monday > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael Clark" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 2:44 PM > >Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help > > > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I want to begin performing some of my music live. > >> > >> I'm looking for a Very Stable machine/unit/box that I can load/record my > >> VST32/SX songs into and play live with a drummer and bass player. > >> > >> Here's the hard part, it seems. I want to establish one or more loop > >> points in each song that I can trigger (preferably via midi) so that a > >> particular piece of the song will seamlessly loop until I give the command > >> to stop looping and continue playing thru the song. > >> > >> I've talked to Tascam, Yamaha and Roland. They say they don't have > >> anything that will do something that is such a no-brainer for Cubase and > >> other sofware programs. I just want to loop certain pre-determined parts > >> of song - seamlessly - glitch free. Is that too much to ask? I hope not. > >> > >> I don't want to use Cubase because it's not stable for a live > >performance - > >> imo. Too scary for me! > >> > >> Any ideas? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> M... > >> > >> Btw, someone has mentioned the Roland CDX-1, but I can't find the manual > >on > >> the web. > >> > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 12:05:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JG2As17732; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:02:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20030518105435.006ec6f4@mail.airmail.net> <00a101c31d58$778f1860$bf08fc0c@amd> Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:01:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2003 16:02:04.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD870690:01C31E1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I guess I would rather use dedicated hardware for this job > though, if I could find something that would do it. The yamaha RM1x works exactly like that. It also imports standard midi files very easily. bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- site updated: last monday ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help > Michael- > > Man, I wish Sonar worked like that. I'm using a sequencer called "MIDI > Maestro" (www.midimaestro.com) to do what you're talking about live (having > certain sections in the song that loop until I send the sequence a message > to continue). I guess I would rather use dedicated hardware for this job > though, if I could find something that would do it. It would be nice if the > medium I compose in -- Sonar -- was capable of this, as I will be taking my > PC out anyway to use as a standalone Kontakt sampler. It's kind of > ridiculous that it's not. Oh well. Maybe in a future release. Anyway, I > have a great deal of interest in this thread, because I'm looking for the > same thing. Not the MPC style of breaking the song into sections and > triggering them from pads. Just one long MIDI file that has pointers in it > for looped parts. > > I have thought about using a sampler like Bill suggested on LD. An Akai > S6000 can have 256MB of memory, which means about 25 minutes worth of stereo > audio. BUT, if you want to have one instrument that you can dynamically > mute and/or effect, then you would have to have it as a seperate sample, so > your time would go down to 12.5 minutes. If you want several instruments > (samples) to be able to control independently, then your sample time > continues to be reduced. I don't think this is the answer for what it is we > both seem to want. > > -Jesse > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Clark" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need > Help > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > Thanks. I am hoping to find a unit that works sort of like cubase in a > > hardware form: the song is completely composed and recorded with loop > > points positioned in parts of the song. To loop a part, i simply tell the > > unit to loop that part. When i tell the unit to stop looping, the song > > then continues - as it would in cubase or another software program. > > > > I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of software programs. Maybe > > the hardware world - for this type of application - hasn't really caught > > up, or functions very differently. > > > > A sampler may work, but some of the songs are 20 minutes long. May be a > > RAM issue with the sampler. > > > > I do know that Cirque du Soliel works this way, but the samples are mainly > > sort intros, rather than long songs. > > > > Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 12:16:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JGD1M19783; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:13:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:13:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <001001c31e1d$ed65c320$500a230a@ws42554> Subject: Re: Master and slave Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:12:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2003 16:12:55.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[8169E260:01C31E21] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I believe the repeater 'rounds' to the nearest beat for many button presses > when you sync to MIDI. Could this be it? I'm talking about the timing when defining the initial loop length. Its a pretty subtle difference, but I think the repeater has some tiny amount of delay (15ms or so) after you press record for a second time and when it starts playing back. I've noticed this sometimes. Also it is my belief that the repeater has some small amount of variance in the time response to a button press. The EDP has a very steady latency, which makes any timing intensive stuff very predictable. Basically I'm trying to explain to myself why I can trigger a smooth rhythmic loop 9 times out of 10 on the EDP/FCB1010, and only 5 out of 10 on the Repeater/FCB1010 (approximation...) One other thing - I am commonly triggering the record button with my left hand while I play drums. The EDP's buttons are really good for timing intensive presses. The repeater buttons look nice and all, but the throw is really tricky to get a good timing out of. Anyone else notice this? Yes, I'm being pretty picky, but I still love my repeater... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 15:49:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JJlN814608; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:47:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:47:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "OJ" To: Subject: RE: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 20:58:28 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030519075506.006f0a04@mail.airmail.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael I've have been using sonar for a while, and as far as I know it has no live performance capabilities that would cater for what you are trying to do. however, a couple of packages come to mind that may be able to help you and these are: albeton live where you can create several groups of loops and cue them in a the right point, so you can do the verse/chorus thing and then extend each section to improvise over. The other is cakewalks project 5 that has just been released to rave reviews and has been designed as a live performance tool. The other is reaktor which I use for improvisations, where you can chain sequencies together with another sequencer which can be altered in realtime with the minimum amount of fuss. I have also started to use reaktor with my guitar to create live loops. The only downside with Reaktor is that is takes a while to get your head around it (but there are plenty of people on their website doing that for you) all you need for this is a fairly decent laptop (1ghz or above) and a soundcard that supports WDM or ASIO I hope that I understood what you are trying to achieve and that this was useful Cheers OJ www.thejupiter8.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] Sent: 19 May 2003 15:55 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Hi Mark, Thanks for the reply. Yes, the songs have several passages. I want to be able to loop a given passage for improvisational purposes - trying to get away from the play to the cd thing. Each of these passages can be looped to extend the improv aspect. The passages are maybe 5-8 minutes, each. I compose on computer, so I guess I'm thinking in a linear way. The song is cued and begins. I've set loop points to loop passage B. I'm now in the middle of passage B and decide to stretch it out. I trigger the loop. The playback unit is ready to roll seamlessly in to the next passages as soon I decide to end the loop (I decide to end the loop midway thru the loop and the loop plays to the end and then the song continues into the next passage - just like on a computer system). What I hope to avoid is chopping all of the passages up. I don't even care to rearrange the passages (at the moment at least). Most of the posts seem to suggest having the looped passage on a different machine and somehow bringing that part into play when i'm ready to loop. What I don't understand is what happens to the remainder of the passages. Sounds very cumbersome and very iffy. Thanks! Michael At 10:52 PM 5/18/03 -0700, you wrote: >Off the original topic... I understand that a song can be 20 min, but >that doesn't mean you'd need a 20 min loop. Where I'm going here is >this: When does a loop get so long that it no longer appears to be a >loop? If you actually use the Repeater's 8 min loop limit, would >memory come into play? Not that it matters, as long as you get your >musical point across, but I'm having a hard time imagining exactly what >you're trying to do. If you're telling me that often the passages in >your songs are 8 min and you want them to repeat at different times in >the song, then I guess I get it. Is that what you're trying to do? >Not really loop, but record a passage and then play it back at >specific points in the song? > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Sunday, May 18, 2003, at 03:26 PM, Michael Clark wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> I have a repeater. Many of my songs are 10 to 20 minutes with a >> number of >> different passages. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michael >> >> At 11:42 AM 5/18/03 -0700, you wrote: >>> Silly question, but have you tried the Repeater? It will do up to 8 >>> min loop (max loop = 99) and it's fully midi controllable, syncable >>> and >>> a whole lot more. >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> On Sunday, May 18, 2003, at 12:25 PM, Michael Clark wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm very accustomed to working with a variety of software programs. >>>>>> Maybe >>>>>> the hardware world - for this type of application - hasn't really >>>>>> caught >>>>>> up, or functions very differently. >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 15:58:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JJvfr16872; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:57:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:57:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "OJ" To: Subject: RE: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help -doh Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 21:08:53 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030517144418.006ed4b0@mail.airmail.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoops, sorry about my last note Michael, I did n't relase that you were a cubase user (I should have read the whole thread) but the same rules apply with cubase as to sonar, its not a really live looping tool and as far as I know there is no way to load a cubase file into a live looping tool other than break to wavs down into descreet loops. Cheers OJ www.thejupiter8.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] Sent: 17 May 2003 22:44 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help Hi, I want to begin performing some of my music live. I'm looking for a Very Stable machine/unit/box that I can load/record my VST32/SX songs into and play live with a drummer and bass player. Here's the hard part, it seems. I want to establish one or more loop points in each song that I can trigger (preferably via midi) so that a particular piece of the song will seamlessly loop until I give the command to stop looping and continue playing thru the song. I've talked to Tascam, Yamaha and Roland. They say they don't have anything that will do something that is such a no-brainer for Cubase and other sofware programs. I just want to loop certain pre-determined parts of song - seamlessly - glitch free. Is that too much to ask? I hope not. I don't want to use Cubase because it's not stable for a live performance - imo. Too scary for me! Any ideas? Thanks! M... Btw, someone has mentioned the Roland CDX-1, but I can't find the manual on the web. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 16:11:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JK8lC19370; Mon, 19 May 2003 16:08:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:08:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030519200823.2942.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Master and slave To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon you are absolutely right thats what i wanted to hear at least i know my repeater is not broken! bests Louie --- Jon Wagner wrote: > > I believe the repeater 'rounds' to the nearest > beat for many button > presses > > when you sync to MIDI. Could this be it? > > I'm talking about the timing when defining the > initial loop length. Its a > pretty subtle difference, but I think the repeater > has some tiny amount of > delay (15ms or so) after you press record for a > second time and when it > starts playing back. I've noticed this sometimes. > Also it is my belief > that the repeater has some small amount of variance > in the time response to > a button press. The EDP has a very steady latency, > which makes any timing > intensive stuff very predictable. > > Basically I'm trying to explain to myself why I can > trigger a smooth > rhythmic loop 9 times out of 10 on the EDP/FCB1010, > and only 5 out of 10 on > the Repeater/FCB1010 (approximation...) > > One other thing - I am commonly triggering the > record button with my left > hand while I play drums. The EDP's buttons are > really good for timing > intensive presses. The repeater buttons look nice > and all, but the throw is > really tricky to get a good timing out of. Anyone > else notice this? Yes, > I'm being pretty picky, but I still love my > repeater... > Jon > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 17:08:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JL6Vk28195; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:06:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:06:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:03:55 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Master and slave In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016b01c31e4a$28d2c260$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think this has to do with the loop point assist. they probably never fully finished that code... whenever i try to use the repeater for free form looping (edp excels at this) lpa screws it all up. ... > I'm talking about the timing when defining the initial loop > length. Its a pretty subtle difference, but I think the > repeater has some tiny amount of delay (15ms or so) after you > press record for a second time and when it starts playing > back. I've noticed this sometimes. Also it is my belief > that the repeater has some small amount of variance in the > time response to a button press. The EDP has a very steady > latency, which makes any timing intensive stuff very predictable. ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 17:08:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JL5MN28071; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:05:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <200305162111.h4GLBBH32349@hemlock.violacea.com> <200305172232410090.00216D55@mail.gmx.net> Subject: Re: new member Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:05:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2003 21:05:04.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[51C31B20:01C31E4A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David- Hi and welcome! there are a few other percussion loopers here. Your site is really great! I absolutely love that you're willing to put in time to teach other people how to play these traditional percussion instruments over the web completely free!!!! I've been looking for some of these rhythms written out before and you've got them up on your site this whole time WITH EXAMPLES. The loops sound good too. Keep us all posted on your looping techniques/equipment if you have time... Jon > > Hi! > > I´m a percussion-looper from germany, and was a > member already for a short while some time ago. > I use a dl4 and a repeater. > my website is now online at http://www.framedrums.de , > there are also some of my looping-sounds. > > best, > David > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 18:27:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JMP4r05512; Mon, 19 May 2003 18:25:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:25:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:24:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Master and slave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did. I find that if I use the FS300 switch instead of the FCB1010 I can get a good accurate end of the loop. The LPA function only operates when in MIDI sync mode, and is basically a quantize function. Unlike the EDP which puts the loop point in the proper place, the Repeater's LPA stretches the loop to make it accurately fit to the closest exact beat. If you're off a lot, it can be weird, but stick to the FS300 and you should be OK. Mark On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Jon Wagner wrote: > I've only had luck syncing the Repeater to the EDP. With loopIV, the > EDP > has some really great features to be a "master" clock source. > > I've also had more trouble with accuracy when defining loops on the > repeater, as compared to the EDP. I'm using the same FCB1010 pedal > with > both, but I feel like the EDP responds to my timing presses much more > accurately. It could be just me, but I doubt it - anyone else > experience > this? > Jon > > >> Doing SYNC testing with both the EDP and Repeater >> units, the EDP has definetly won the master and the >> repeater its slave but i am curious to hear how most >> of us users of both are syncing them,pros and cons? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:06:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JN3wU10932; Mon, 19 May 2003 19:03:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:03:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <200305200110310130.002080A1@mail.gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <200305180004.h4I046f29198@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200305180004.h4I046f29198@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.01.02 (2) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 01:10:31 +0200 From: "David Kuckhermann" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #327 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4JN3mB10893 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks a lot, Jimmy! Yep, I did them.. I love the possibility of changing speed/pitch in the DL4. I wish it was possible like this in the repeater... regards, David > >hey i love your stuff david! did you make the loops 1, 2, 3? killer stuff my >man. thanks for the heads up. > > >peace and welcome! > >jimmy george >http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com >denver, colorado David Elia Kuckhermann www.framedrums.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:24:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JNNx612836; Mon, 19 May 2003 19:23:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:23:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:27:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need Help From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030518232643.026afc78@pop.chello.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3136235265_121952_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <5cmOCB.A.GID.EeWy-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3136235265_121952_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit exactly what I said. The Mpc has gotta be the most widely used hardware sequencer live. The chemical brothers use 4. G on 18/5/03 10:35 pm, Jair-Rohm at gtc@chello.se wrote: High; I've been following this thread. The simple solution is the Akai MPC 2000XL. This is exactly how i'm using my MPC live. I'm sure i'll raise eyebrows when i say that the MPC is well capable of what you're doing with Cubase and more albeit in a somewhat different (read: more intuitive) way. Mail me off list if you would like to discuss this more. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --MS_Mac_OE_3136235265_121952_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - = Need Help exactly what I said.
The Mpc has gotta be the most widely used hardware sequencer live.
The chemical brothers use 4.
G
on 18/5/03 10:35 pm, Jair-Rohm at gtc@chello.se wrote:

High;

I've been following this thread. The simple solution is the Akai MPC 2000XL= . This is exactly how i'm using my MPC live. I'm sure i'll raise eyebrows wh= en i say that the MPC is well capable of what you're doing with Cubase and m= ore albeit in a somewhat different (read: more intuitive) way.

Mail me off list if you would like to discuss this more.

JPW





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--MS_Mac_OE_3136235265_121952_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:37:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JNYcB14199; Mon, 19 May 2003 19:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: Re: Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question- Need Help Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:34:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0191_01C31E24.7F906010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2003 23:34:20.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C3F05C0:01C31E5F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0191_01C31E24.7F906010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment Question - Need = Help>The Mpc has gotta be the most widely used hardware sequencer live. >The chemical brothers use 4. As an aside - the chemical brother's live shows are notoriously = 'freaked' (that's an orchestral term for when the parts are too hard for = some of a section to keep up, so they just wiggle their hands around, to = keep the audience from noticing.) One of the main keyboard stands tipped = over at a recent show, and the music didn't miss a beat. "Girl, you know = it's true..." Not that that says anything about the MPC, which is a popular choice, = with reason. However, I've found the used market on these beasts = hopelessly overpriced. Check musician's fiend before you buy, to make = sure that you aren't paying above the new price...=20 bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some = Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could = do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- site updated: last monday ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Geoff Smith=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping Equipment = Question- Need Help exactly what I said. The Mpc has gotta be the most widely used hardware sequencer live. The chemical brothers use 4. G=20 on 18/5/03 10:35 pm, Jair-Rohm at gtc@chello.se wrote: High; I've been following this thread. The simple solution is the Akai MPC = 2000XL. This is exactly how i'm using my MPC live. I'm sure i'll raise = eyebrows when i say that the MPC is well capable of what you're doing = with Cubase and more albeit in a somewhat different (read: more = intuitive) way.=20 Mail me off list if you would like to discuss this more.=20 JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0191_01C31E24.7F906010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Subject: Live Performance Hardware Looping = Equipment Question - Need Help
>The Mpc has gotta be the most widely used hardware sequencer=20 live.
>The chemical brothers use 4.
 
As an aside - the chemical brother's = live shows=20 are notoriously 'freaked' (that's an orchestral term for when = the=20 parts are too hard for some of a section to keep up, so they just = wiggle=20 their hands around, to keep the audience from noticing.) One of the main keyboard stands tipped = over at a=20 recent show, and the music didn't miss a beat. "Girl, you know it's = true..."
 
Not that that says anything about = the MPC, which=20 is a popular choice, with reason. However, I've found the used market on = these=20 beasts hopelessly overpriced. Check musician's fiend before you buy, to = make=20 sure that you aren't paying above the new price... 
 
 
bIz
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www.groovetronica.com - "No = offense, but=20 a dated d&b loop with some Holiday
Inn lounge singer hardly wows = me=20 technically or talent wise, and I could do
better with a cassette = deck and a=20 microphone."
---------------------
site updated: last monday
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Geoff Smith
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 4:27 = PM
Subject: Re: Subject: Live = Performance=20 Hardware Looping Equipment Question- Need Help

exactly what I said.
The Mpc has gotta be the most = widely=20 used hardware sequencer live.
The chemical brothers use 4.
G =
on=20 18/5/03 10:35 pm, Jair-Rohm at gtc@chello.se wrote:

High;

I've been following this thread. The simple=20 solution is the Akai MPC 2000XL. This is exactly how i'm using my = MPC live.=20 I'm sure i'll raise eyebrows when i say that the MPC is well capable = of what=20 you're doing with Cubase and more albeit in a somewhat different = (read: more=20 intuitive) way.

Mail me off list if you would like to = discuss this=20 more.=20 =

JPW





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------=_NextPart_000_0191_01C31E24.7F906010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:45:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JNj3d15349; Mon, 19 May 2003 19:45:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:45:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c31e60$6fe0c100$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <200305180004.h4I046f29198@hemlock.violacea.com> <200305200110310130.002080A1@mail.gmx.net> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #327 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:43:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com indeed my friend. please let me know when you have more mp3s available. my grrrlfriend also enjoyed your work quit a bit. peace, jimmy george ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kuckhermann To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #327 > > Thanks a lot, Jimmy! > Yep, I did them.. I love the possibility of changing speed/pitch > in the DL4. I wish it was possible like this in the repeater... > > regards, > David > > > > >hey i love your stuff david! did you make the loops 1, 2, 3? killer stuff my > >man. thanks for the heads up. > > > > > >peace and welcome! > > > >jimmy george > >http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > >denver, colorado > > > > > David Elia Kuckhermann > www.framedrums.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:48:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JNlE015678; Mon, 19 May 2003 19:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:47:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:46:59 -0700 Subject: Loop point assist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <016b01c31e4a$28d2c260$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <2EC35411-8A54-11D7-B304-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loop point assist only operates when the Repeater is synced to a MIDI clock, so if you're "freeforming" it, it's not even on. LPA was flawed in the first Repeater OS, but was fixed in the only update v 1.1 Mark Sottilaro On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 02:03 PM, Jim Palmer wrote: > i think this has to do with the loop point assist. > they probably never fully finished that code... > > whenever i try to use the repeater for free form > looping (edp excels at this) lpa screws it all up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 21:17:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K1Gng25875; Mon, 19 May 2003 21:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 21:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 21:12:49 -0400 Subject: FW: Oranje at Out of The Blue Film Screening, Wed 5/21 From: Dan Soltzberg To: Friends of experimental music Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3136223569_673362_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3136223569_673362_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Dan Soltzberg Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 21:12:11 -0400 To: friends of experimental music Subject: Oranje at Out of The Blue Film Screening, Wed 5/21 On Wednesday, Oranje will open up the Out of The Blue Film Screening Festival. Wednesday May 21 at An Tua Nua, 835 Beacon St., Boston [617-262-2121] Oranje 7:30 - 8:30 pm music with special guests Eric Paull, drums Jon Wobesky, trumpet Then, a screening of short films, local and beyond, from 8:30 - 10 pm Come, have fun. -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --MS_Mac_OE_3136223569_673362_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FW: Oranje at Out of The Blue Film Screening, Wed 5/21
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From: Dan Soltzberg <d.ans@rcn.com>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 21:12:11 -0400
To: friends of experimental music
Subject: Oranje at Out of The Blue Film Screening, Wed 5/21


On Wednesday,


Oranje will open up the Out of The Blue
Film Screening Festival.


Wednesday May 21 at An Tua Nua, <= /FONT>835 Beacon St., Boston  

[617-262-2121]


Oranje 7:30 - 8:30 pm

music


with special guests

Eric Paull, drums

Jon Wobesky, trumpet



Then, a screening of short films, local and beyond, from 8:30 - 10 pm


Come, have fun.

--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@rcn.com


--MS_Mac_OE_3136223569_673362_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 21:41:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K1fCl27830; Mon, 19 May 2003 21:41:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 21:41:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.141.254.50] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping Laptop 101 via PSP 42 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 21:40:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2003 01:40:53.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9DDAD60:01C31E70] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello friends, Well, I can’t always lug my 6 space looping rack around NYC & so I want to get my G3 powerbook out of the desk & set up for looping as an alternate setup. I have read some good reviews from grooves magazine about both the PSP42 & 84 so I was hoping to maybe build a setup but I need some help…. 1. I have a ‘old’ G3 powerbook 500meg 512 ram running 9.2. Should I install OSX? 2. I was checking out the aardvark USB3. The price & size seems right. I would just run my Chapman stick mono through a few petals into the interface. So, I want to keep it simple 3. In addition to getting either the 42 or 84, I wanted to get a post processor. Reverb & a maybe a good mangier… 4. What would be a good BUT cheap VST host for yhe 42? Or do I have to get a Logic ($$) setup etc? 5. Presently, if I can’t bring the rack out I just use my trusty old Digitech Echo +. Maybe I should just stick with that & forget about this laptop idea? Thanks for help. Lou _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 00:17:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K4Gf212875; Tue, 20 May 2003 00:16:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:16:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030520041627.1141.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 21:16:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: motu 828 in Windows XP stories?? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9XkXb.A.2ID.cway-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI all, I'm trying to get a borrowed MOTU 828 to work in Windows XP. Installed version 2 of the drivers. THe drivers look like they installed correctly. I see all the outputs in Sonar, Cubase, and Windows Sound Properties. The ASIO driver is available, and the Firewire Control Panel seems to run properly. In fact, in the control panel, when I change sample rates to 48k the light changes on the breakout box too, so I know they're communicating. However, I get no signal. No matter where I play audio (Winamp, Sonar, or Cubase) I get no signal to my speakers and no lights dancing on the 828's output LEDs. Any similar stories, or solution ideas? I'm considering the new 828 mkII that's due in June, but I don't want to drop $750 and have it not work with my system! thanks, dylan dylanhassinger@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 00:21:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K4KuT13514; Tue, 20 May 2003 00:20:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:20:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030520042046.16549.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 21:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: hardware MIDI looper?? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are there any hardware MIDI loopers out there? here's what I want to do: I want a unit, let's call it a "MIDIrang," where I can tap a tempo (and a loop length, for instance 8 beats or something) then feed it a line from a MIDI controller. and i want it to repeat that line (through the MIDIrang's MIDI output) so i can feed it to a bunch of synths and mix the outputs of those synths together. I know the MS2000 and other synths have step sequencers that would repeat a pattern like this, but the pattern can't be created or replaced on the fly (aka LIVE)... or can it? any ideas? MIDIrang where are you???? P.S. i guess a software option could be cool too. somebody I think mentioned an opensource or free MIDI looper a while back, any other options? Thanks! - dylan dylanhassinger@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 01:14:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K5ETw19623; Tue, 20 May 2003 01:14:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 01:14:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:13:31 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hardware MIDI looper?? Message-ID: <2147483647.1053389611@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20030520042046.16549.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030520042046.16549.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147500486==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've been looking at this (http://www.future-retro.com/) which I think can = do what you are describing. It isn't even very expensive. --On Monday, May 19, 2003 9:20 PM -0700 dylan = wrote: > are there any hardware MIDI loopers out there? here's what > I want to do: I want a unit, let's call it a "MIDIrang," > where I can tap a tempo (and a loop length, for instance 8 > beats or something) then feed it a line from a MIDI > controller. and i want it to repeat that line (through the > MIDIrang's MIDI output) so i can feed it to a bunch of > synths and mix the outputs of those synths together. >=20 > I know the MS2000 and other synths have step sequencers > that would repeat a pattern like this, but the pattern > can't be created or replaced on the fly (aka LIVE)... or > can it? any ideas? >=20 > MIDIrang where are you???? >=20 > P.S. i guess a software option could be cool too. somebody > I think mentioned an opensource or free MIDI looper a while > back, any other options? Thanks! >=20 > - dylan >=20 > dylanhassinger@yahoo.com >=20 >=20 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com >=20 > =20 --- www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've been looking at this (http://www.future-retro.com/) = which I think can do what you are describing. It isn't even very = expensive.





--On Monday, May 19, 2003 9:20 PM -0700 dylan = <dylanhassinger@yahoo.com> wrote:

> are there any hardware MIDI loopers out there? here's what
> I want to do: I want a unit, let's call it a "MIDIrang,"
> where I can tap a tempo (and a loop length, for instance 8
> beats or something) then feed it a line from a MIDI
> controller. and i want it to repeat that line (through the
> MIDIrang's MIDI output) so i can feed it to a bunch of
> synths and mix the outputs of those synths together.
>
> I know the MS2000 and other synths have step sequencers
> that would repeat a pattern like this, but the pattern
> can't be created or replaced on the fly (aka LIVE)... or
> can it? any ideas?
>
> MIDIrang where are you????
>
> P.S. i guess a software option could be cool too. somebody
> I think mentioned an opensource or free MIDI looper a while
> back, any other options? Thanks!
>
> - dylan
>
> dylanhassinger@yahoo.com
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>  



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www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 01:17:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K5Gmm20101; Tue, 20 May 2003 01:16:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 01:16:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:15:50 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hardware MIDI looper?? Message-ID: <2147483647.1053389750@localhost> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147489406==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <0MlRUC.A.w5E.2oby-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147489406========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The Moibus, I mean. Stupid frames. > I've been looking at this (http://www.future-retro.com/) which I think > can do what you are describing. It isn't even very expensive. --On Monday, May 19, 2003 9:20 PM -0700 dylan = wrote: > are there any hardware MIDI loopers out there? here's what > I want to do: I want a unit, let's call it a "MIDIrang," > where I can tap a tempo (and a loop length, for instance 8 > beats or something) then feed it a line from a MIDI > controller. and i want it to repeat that line (through the > MIDIrang's MIDI output) so i can feed it to a bunch of > synths and mix the outputs of those synths together. >=20 > I know the MS2000 and other synths have step sequencers > that would repeat a pattern like this, but the pattern > can't be created or replaced on the fly (aka LIVE)... or > can it? any ideas? >=20 > MIDIrang where are you???? >=20 > P.S. i guess a software option could be cool too. somebody > I think mentioned an opensource or free MIDI looper a while > back, any other options? Thanks! >=20 > - dylan >=20 > dylanhassinger@yahoo.com >=20 >=20 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > = 0000,0000,ffffhttp://searc= h.yahoo.com >=20 > =20 --- www.endtimequartet.com=20 --==========2147489406========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The Moibus, I mean. Stupid frames.


> I've been looking at this (http://www.future-retro.com/) = which I think
> can do what you are describing. It isn't even very expensive.






--On Monday, May 19, 2003 9:20 PM -0700 dylan = <dylanhassinger@yahoo.com> wrote:

> are there any hardware MIDI loopers out there? here's what
> I want to do: I want a unit, let's call it a "MIDIrang,"
> where I can tap a tempo (and a loop length, for instance 8
> beats or something) then feed it a line from a MIDI
> controller. and i want it to repeat that line (through the
> MIDIrang's MIDI output) so i can feed it to a bunch of
> synths and mix the outputs of those synths together.
>
> I know the MS2000 and other synths have step sequencers
> that would repeat a pattern like this, but the pattern
> can't be created or replaced on the fly (aka LIVE)... or
> can it? any ideas?
>
> MIDIrang where are you????
>
> P.S. i guess a software option could be cool too. somebody
> I think mentioned an opensource or free MIDI looper a while
> back, any other options? Thanks!
>
> - dylan
>
> dylanhassinger@yahoo.com
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>  



---
www.endtimequartet.com

--==========2147489406==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 01:29:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K5T4W21473; Tue, 20 May 2003 01:29:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 01:29:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:27:58 -0700 Subject: Repeater: input distortion. Where to fix? From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopers, The left channel of the 1/4" rear-inputs on my repeater is fuzzy and distorting. Does anyone have any leads on where I can get this fixed in the Bay Area? thanks much, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 03:33:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K7Wsd01454; Tue, 20 May 2003 03:32:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 03:32:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030520093214.02c03718@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:32:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_658086==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <510oy.A.aT.8ndy-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_658086==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael; I responded to your mail off list but it bounced so i'm re-posting here. How much midi do you do? With midi what you're after is dead simple. Even midi plus audio can be easily manipulated in this way on the MPC. I perform a fifty minute show with just the MPC doing exactly what you describe. I do all of my production exclusively on the MPC. I don't have a computer running in the studio. No time for one. I work against deadlines and can't be bothered with bloat ware and crashes. I don't know how you assemble your tracks so it's hard to say whether the transition from Cubase to MPC will require a significant amount of strain on your part. Still, you should be prepared for a paradigm shift. Sequencing on the MPC is similar to working in Creator (the old Atari sequencer). You create patterns that you can later assemble into songs. Likewise, you can just improvise and call sequences on the fly by using the pads to trigger sequences. Each sequence will loop until you instruct the MPC to go to another sequence. You can start a new sequence at any time you wish. In other words, you can cut a playing sequence off or have the new sequence start at the completion of the currently playing sequence. One way to accomplish what you're after with the MPC assuming that you don't compose by creating patterns that you later chain together into songs, assuming that you compose linearly, on the MPC: you can create a long sequence, your entire song as one long sequence. That sequence can be cut up into in "passages" and each "passage" can be triggered from a pad in real time. There are as many ways to work with the MPC as there are MPC users. I suggest that you take a closer look at the MPC (as well as the old Ensoniq ASR 10X). There's a reason why these boxes are growing in popularity. Hope this helps and good luck. Jair-Rohm Wells ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_658086==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Michael;

I responded to your mail off list but it bounced so i'm re-posting here.


How much midi do you do? With midi what you're after is dead simple. Even midi plus audio can be easily manipulated in this way on the MPC. I perform a fifty minute show with just the MPC doing exactly what you describe.

I do all of my production exclusively on the MPC. I don't have a computer running in the studio. No time for one. I work against deadlines and can't be bothered with bloat ware and crashes. I don't know how you assemble your tracks so it's hard to say whether the transition from Cubase to MPC will require a significant amount of strain on your part. Still, you should be prepared for a paradigm shift.

Sequencing on the MPC is similar to working in Creator (the old Atari sequencer). You create patterns that you can later assemble into songs. Likewise, you can just improvise and call sequences on the fly by using the pads to trigger sequences. Each sequence will loop until you instruct the MPC to go to another sequence. You can start a new sequence at any time you wish. In other words, you can cut a playing sequence off or have the new sequence start at the completion of the currently playing sequence.

One way to accomplish what you're after with the MPC assuming that you don't compose by creating patterns that you later chain together into songs, assuming that you compose linearly, on the MPC: you can create a long sequence, your entire song as one long sequence. That sequence can be cut up into in "passages" and each "passage" can be triggered from a pad in real time. There are as many ways to work with the MPC as there are MPC users. I suggest that you take a closer look at the MPC (as well as the old Ensoniq ASR 10X). There's a reason why these boxes are growing in popularity.

Hope this helps and good luck.

Jair-Rohm Wells


----------------------------------------------------------------
Glass Thought Communications
"Records for people to listen to at home."
+46 708 940893
http://mp3.com/jairrohm
 --=====================_658086==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 03:47:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K7lAR02732; Tue, 20 May 2003 03:47:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 03:47:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:46:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Tableland at the ReBar, Tuesday May 20th From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3B596A9B-8A97-11D7-954A-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What: The Youngs, Tableland and the Master Musicians of Bukkake Where: ReBar (1114 Howell St, Seattle, WA ) When: Tuesday, May 20th 9PM Cover: $5 Tableland, a five-piece ambient rock band will be performing this Tuesday in Seattle, Washington. The usual looping hardware will be deployed for your amusement. Some more info: http://www.tableland.org Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Tableland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 04:27:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K8QlO06730; Tue, 20 May 2003 04:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 04:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c31ea9$af569820$e05e23c0@dra.hmg.gb> From: "matthew jones" To: Subject: Jamma - new loop-sampler Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:27:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm newly subscribed to the mailing list. I'm trying to raise awareness of another software based loop-sampler that I've just finished writing. It's called Jamma, and it's free for anyone to download. It runs on pd on Windows, Linux and Mac, and has the following features: - Auto quantisation to nice fraction/multiple of first loop - Multi I/O means that multiple people can record simulataneously, and loops come out of different channels from the soundcard for real-time mixing - MIDI foot pedal compatible - Zero-latency compensator Probably best to have a look at the website at the bottom. All work is open source, open music... please help spread the word!! No need to pay all that dosh out for kit! matt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.loopit.org/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 04:37:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K8at407674; Tue, 20 May 2003 04:36:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 04:36:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3EC9E805.73C86008@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 01:32:05 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Album Preview Part 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And now for something completely different: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/interference.mp3 This is a composed, produced track which was built off of a live, improvised EDP solo, which you can hear panned dead center in the mix. After the solo was performed, it was (very lightly) edited, and new parts were written and recorded, using the original EDP solo as a foundation. There are a lot of sounds here - multiple melodies, riffs, atmospherics, and a bass line - but every single one of them was played on electric guitar. The sound of the track is your typical dancehall drum & bass glitch funk crossover affair... As you were, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 05:03:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K931A10842; Tue, 20 May 2003 05:03:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 05:03:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:02:17 +0200 Subject: [OT] Message relay to Rick Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030520093214.02c03718@pop.chello.se> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2eF6eC.A.hoC.f8ey-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm not sure if Rick has easy access to email on tour, so if any of you see him in real life, could you let him know that he now has guaranteed accommodation in Paris. I've postponed my move to the UK until July, so he and his wife have what limited floorspace we have spare :) I know that the accommodation problem in Paris was causing him stress, so the sooner he hears this bit of news, the better :) Thanks! - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 06:08:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KA65416353; Tue, 20 May 2003 06:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 06:06:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:05:37 +0200 Subject: Re: [OT] Message relay to Rick Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9A7D9BDA-8AAA-11D7-85B3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com News travels fast :) He got the message! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 07:32:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KBURC24729; Tue, 20 May 2003 07:30:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:30:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1053429435!33298 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB041@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: hardware MIDI looper?? Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:16:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C31EC1.494E5E60" Resent-Message-ID: <5tk7ZD.A.1BG.HHhy-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31EC1.494E5E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" as an experienced looper (2 jam-mans, 2 repeaters, 2 dl4's and an old powertran MCS1, aswelll as numerous 1/4" revoxes), /and/ owner of several midi hardware sequencers, including a mobius, let me chip in my 2 cents-worth here. the nearest I've managed to get, functionally, to achieving in the midi domain what is possible with audio looping devices, is with either the alesis MMT8 (which sometimes lets you drop into record while it's running) or an anatek pocket-sequencer, and I'm not sure about this latter because it stopped working altogether while I was trying this out. however- I have discovered a mode on the doepfer schaltwerk that seems to run at least one track at a time in some sort of overdub/record mode. you start by enabling steps (16 per track, 8 tracks) in the rhythm that you want the part to play, and then play notes into those steps on-the-fly. the technique relies on you playing the note just before the step is triggered, so that it doesn't end up being stored as the previous step, but it lets you "hide" some notes by switching steps on and off or changing the track's loop point. also, the sequencer stores velocity as-played; an attached sound module can be made to do all sorts of strange things in response to velocity- a new patch in my emu module use velocity switching to link a patch to two delayed versions of itself, one is 1/32 late and the other 1/16 late, so playing harder causes a tempo-locked triplet or trill effect. it would be great if the mobius did this too, but when I wrote to it's designer with some other "ideas" (I didn't think they were criticisms but maybe he took it wrong...) he didn't respond. oh well. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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as an experienced looper (2 jam-mans, 2 repeaters, 2 dl4's and an old powertran MCS1, aswelll as numerous 1/4" revoxes), /and/ owner of several midi hardware sequencers, including a mobius, let me chip in my 2 cents-worth here.
the nearest I've managed to get, functionally, to achieving in the midi domain what is possible with audio looping devices, is with either the alesis MMT8 (which sometimes lets you drop into record while it's running) or an anatek pocket-sequencer, and I'm not sure about this latter because it stopped working altogether while I was trying this out.
however- I have discovered a mode on the doepfer schaltwerk that seems to run at least one track at a time in some sort of overdub/record mode. you start by enabling steps (16 per track, 8 tracks) in the rhythm that you want the part to play, and then play notes into those steps on-the-fly. the technique relies on you playing the note just before the step is triggered, so that it doesn't end up being stored as the previous step, but it lets you "hide" some notes by switching steps on and off or changing the track's loop point. also, the sequencer stores velocity as-played; an attached sound module can be made to do all sorts of strange things in response to velocity- a new patch in my emu module use velocity switching to link a patch to two delayed versions of itself, one is 1/32 late and the other 1/16 late, so playing harder causes a tempo-locked triplet or trill effect. 
it would be great if the mobius did this too, but when I wrote to it's designer with some other "ideas" (I didn't think they were criticisms but maybe he took it wrong...) he didn't respond.
 
oh well.
duncan/r.m.i. 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31EC1.494E5E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 10:11:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KE5e709842; Tue, 20 May 2003 10:05:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:05:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ECA3620.7010907@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:05:20 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Master and slave References: <200305192325.h4JNPqq13349@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200305192325.h4JNPqq13349@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon writes: >Basically I'm trying to explain to myself why I can trigger a smooth >rhythmic loop 9 times out of 10 on the EDP/FCB1010, and only 5 out of 10 on >the Repeater/FCB1010 (approximation...) Now that I have a Echoplex to compare and contrast with my Repeater, I have found the same sorta thing, except I am using the FS300 and the EDP pedal. I find myself preferring the EDP more and more... -jas http://www.zebox.com/dimbulb/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 10:26:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KEMbU11606; Tue, 20 May 2003 10:22:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:22:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:22:06 EDT Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4KEMQB11560 Resent-Message-ID: <8BhAxC.A.80C.iojy-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, In a message dated 5/20/03 1:37:55 AM, altruist@earthlink.net writes: >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/interference.mp3 Yow! Great track! You've been generally absent from the list for a while. I guess this is an example of what you've been up to. Very cool. Keep us posted. When the CD's out I'll buy one. tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 11:08:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KF2Wm16803; Tue, 20 May 2003 11:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:02:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 2 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:02:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2003 15:02:04.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[C66AEE30:01C31EE0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre! Absolutely incredible....what a great track! I will pre-order the album now! Really, dude....I have listened to that 4 times already this morning, and am finding both catchy and inspiring! Great work...... Max _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 11:43:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KFerY20787; Tue, 20 May 2003 11:40:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:40:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030520154036.37799.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:40:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: best place to buy an apple... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com okay, the time has come... the hours have been worked and the money has been saved and now it is time to put together my project studio. i'm looking at getting a MAC G4 desktop. i don't want anything slower than 800 processor speed and obviously i plan to load it with probably above 700 meg of ram. where should i turn to get the best price. i've had some bad luck with used equipment, but i've heard some good and bad stories with refurbished equipment. what is the general consnsus on this list? should i go through apple or a dealer or does anyone know a really good place to get the most bang for my buck? the computer will obviously only be used for audio recording. at this point, it looks like i'll be going with a digi001 (i'd love to get the 002, but the price is just way too much for my budget). any and all help is appreciated! thanks, evan evanmeyers@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 12:02:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KG0up24470; Tue, 20 May 2003 12:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:00:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:00:43 -0400 Subject: Re: best place to buy an apple... From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030520154036.37799.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0fCWCC.A.B-F.sEly-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't believe you will see much of a cost difference since Apple controls manufacturing and distribution of its hardware. Besides from buying directly from Apple either online or one of their store locations, there is CompUSA. Something else to consider is that the new iMac's come with 800Mhz Processor, SuperDrive (CDRW/DVD Burner), monitor, and up to 1GB of memory. While the towers are more scalable, they are also more expensive. The iMac also has a much smaller profile. Jeff On 5/20/03 11:40, "Evan Meyers" wrote: > okay, the time has come... > > the hours have been worked and the money has been > saved and now it is time to put together my project > studio. i'm looking at getting a MAC G4 desktop. i > don't want anything slower than 800 processor speed > and obviously i plan to load it with probably above > 700 meg of ram. where should i turn to get the best > price. i've had some bad luck with used equipment, > but i've heard some good and bad stories with > refurbished equipment. what is the general consnsus > on this list? should i go through apple or a dealer > or does anyone know a really good place to get the > most bang for my buck? the computer will obviously > only be used for audio recording. > > at this point, it looks like i'll be going with a > digi001 (i'd love to get the 002, but the price is > just way too much for my budget). > > any and all help is appreciated! > > thanks, > evan > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 12:13:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KGChW25971; Tue, 20 May 2003 12:12:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:12:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:16:23 +0100 Subject: New Album Preview Part 2 don't give any more!!! From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Totally agree Max I will order a copy too. However I feel that u should not give any more of your music away Andre. I feel that if you need to make money from your music u should rethink how much music you give away for free. You website contains about 4 or 5 albums of free music. How many people own more than 4 or 5 albums of a persons music? Someone interested in your music can instantly get 4albums worth for free, that considerably lessons the chance of them buying your record. I would seriously rethink your overally generous approach, to making sure u get something back! There are almost no other music sites I know of that contain as much free music as yours... so don't saturate the market.. leave the listener wanting more and you'll be increasing your chance of selling records. Tantalize the listener with clips of songs not 50 of them! I am saying this because I want u to make a living your live-looping music, so you keep doing it and I can keep enjoying your music. its a fair exchange money for music! Now I'll shut up and mind my own business! Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 12:18:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KGHIT26641; Tue, 20 May 2003 12:17:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:17:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:17:00 +0200 Subject: Re: best place to buy an apple... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7C9DA547-8ADE-11D7-85B3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I were in your boots, I would buy second hand. I've purchased the last two Macs used (G4 and ibook), and I've had no problems with them. With the money you save from buying new, you can completely max out the ram/HD and have enough money left over to purchase a good audio card and a suite of software. Its a gamble, I know, but looking at the prices of new macs in the stores compared to last years models at 2nd hand prices, I'd take that risk. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 12:29:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KGQGo27959; Tue, 20 May 2003 12:26:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:26:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:27:01 -0700 Subject: Re: best place to buy an apple... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--21105708 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030520154036.37799.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: <-GeTI.A.F0G.acly-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--21105708 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed You might take a look at this site. http://dealmac.com They list new and factory-refurbished, rebates ect. joe On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Evan Meyers wrote: > okay, the time has come... > > the hours have been worked and the money has been > saved and now it is time to put together my project > studio. i'm looking at getting a MAC G4 desktop. i > don't want anything slower than 800 processor speed > and obviously i plan to load it with probably above > 700 meg of ram. where should i turn to get the best > price. i've had some bad luck with used equipment, > but i've heard some good and bad stories with > refurbished equipment. what is the general consnsus > on this list? should i go through apple or a dealer > or does anyone know a really good place to get the > most bang for my buck? the computer will obviously > only be used for audio recording. > > at this point, it looks like i'll be going with a > digi001 (i'd love to get the 002, but the price is > just way too much for my budget). > > any and all help is appreciated! > > thanks, > evan > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-2--21105708 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII You might take a look at this site. http://dealmac.com They list new and Lucida Grandefactory-refurbished, rebates ect. joe On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Evan Meyers wrote: okay, the time has come... the hours have been worked and the money has been saved and now it is time to put together my project studio. i'm looking at getting a MAC G4 desktop. i don't want anything slower than 800 processor speed and obviously i plan to load it with probably above 700 meg of ram. where should i turn to get the best price. i've had some bad luck with used equipment, but i've heard some good and bad stories with refurbished equipment. what is the general consnsus on this list? should i go through apple or a dealer or does anyone know a really good place to get the most bang for my buck? the computer will obviously only be used for audio recording. at this point, it looks like i'll be going with a digi001 (i'd love to get the 002, but the price is just way too much for my budget). any and all help is appreciated! thanks, evan evanmeyers@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-2--21105708-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 12:43:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KGeaY30028; Tue, 20 May 2003 12:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030520113131.02c4a458@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:38:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: best place to buy an apple... In-Reply-To: <7C9DA547-8ADE-11D7-85B3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:17 PM 5/20/2003 +0200, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >If I were in your boots, I would buy second hand. I've purchased the last >two Macs used (G4 and ibook), and I've had no problems with them. With the >money you save from buying new, you can completely max out the ram/HD and >have enough money left over to purchase a good audio card and a suite of >software. In addition, check out Small Dog Electronics (http://www.smalldog.com). Not only do they have excellent prices on new Macs, they also sell factory refurbished models at a nice discount. Like Stuart said, you can take the money you save and pump it into RAM and storage. I got my TiBook as a refurb from these guys and saved a bundle (never a problem with it thusfar, either). I've also got several friends with similar experiences on refurbished Macs. And, if you're more inclined toward new, we just got one of the new 1Ghz iMacs for my wife at a good price too. Nice guys, good prices, good service... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 12:46:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KGhTi30467; Tue, 20 May 2003 12:43:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:43:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030520164312.92499.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: hardware MIDI looper?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200305200733.h4K7XW301599@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dylan, If I read you correctly, you want to set up a MIDI sequencer to a specific tempo and length and then record into it live? This seems like a common enough trait of many of the sequencers out there, though I only have experience with the Emu XL-7/MP-7/Proteus 2500 variety of command station. It's not a MIDI looper by my own definition of looping which would include some sort of feedback level to allow the sounds to fade out as new lines are being added. Though it seems like it would do everything you are asking for. Tap tempo, live record, overdub, and erase, multitrack like the repeater though in this case you have 16 tracks to choose from, adjustable loop lengths and bar/time signature changes, and much more. I'd stay away from computers at this point, Emu is making a pretty solid and dependable product these days. Of course mixing the synths together can't be done by the sequencer, it needs a line level mixer (I know you probably know that, just making sure...) Stephen <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 12:46:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KGeMA29974; Tue, 20 May 2003 12:40:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:40:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:47:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Master and slave Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I generally prefer to be the master, I enjoy wearing tight fitting leather garments with studs and a large cat o' nine tails, while my partner prefers the slave role with one of those masks with a zipper for the mouth, and ,a, um, er oh, I'm sorry were we talking about the same subject? chilly b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 12:47:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KGk2431064; Tue, 20 May 2003 12:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:46:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: best place to buy an apple... Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:46:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c31eef$6338f500$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030520113131.02c4a458@spamarrest.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In addition, check out Small Dog Electronics > (http://www.smalldog.com). > . . . I second that! Good folks! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 12:54:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KGpbK32231; Tue, 20 May 2003 12:51:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:51:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030520165122.90934.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater: input distortion. Where to fix? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200305200733.h4K7XW301599@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <18NmQ.A.S3H.Q0ly-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Zoe, Though many electronic repair places might be able to easily fix that one, it might be a Repeater-specific issue. And the only factory authorized repair place (that I know of anyway) is here in Seattle, Condor Electronics. 206 633 5190. I can vouch for these guys, I'm a friend of the owner (who is an avid Repeater user himself) and I've taken various gear to them for luvvin-up. Stephen <<<<>>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 13:00:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KGvbh00754; Tue, 20 May 2003 12:57:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:57:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAE45@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: best place to buy an apple... Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:57:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah! support vermont businesses! (how often do i get to say that on this list!?) m > -----Original Message----- > From: dennis@mail.worldserver.com [mailto:dennis@mail.worldserver.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:47 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: best place to buy an apple... > > > > In addition, check out Small Dog Electronics > > (http://www.smalldog.com). > > . . . > > I second that! Good folks! > > Dennis Leas > ----------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 14:02:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KHttp08084; Tue, 20 May 2003 13:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:55:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:55:33 -0700 Subject: Re: best place to buy an apple... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030520154036.37799.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4085E418-8AEC-11D7-8670-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree that because Apple kind of restricts prices a bit, you won't find too much difference between major reputable retailers. However, getting a used machine can be fine. I've had good luck in the past, and recently sold a G4 450 with dual video cards 1.5 gig of ram for $800. The other key is wait for Apple to announce the "latest whiz bang" models and then snap up a discontinued, but totally usable new Mac. This is what I did. Saved $500 because I didn't get the latest greatest. Here's my other feeling: Get a dual processor if you can. Man, what a difference it makes. The flow that having a dual 1 gighz processor gives you is more than worth the extra money IMO. So smooth. Also, RAM is cheap, so load it up. You can't have too much. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Evan Meyers wrote: > okay, the time has come... > > the hours have been worked and the money has been > saved and now it is time to put together my project > studio. i'm looking at getting a MAC G4 desktop. i > don't want anything slower than 800 processor speed > and obviously i plan to load it with probably above > 700 meg of ram. where should i turn to get the best > price. i've had some bad luck with used equipment, > but i've heard some good and bad stories with > refurbished equipment. what is the general consnsus > on this list? should i go through apple or a dealer > or does anyone know a really good place to get the > most bang for my buck? the computer will obviously > only be used for audio recording. > > at this point, it looks like i'll be going with a > digi001 (i'd love to get the 002, but the price is > just way too much for my budget). > > any and all help is appreciated! > > thanks, > evan > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 14:11:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KI9iS11021; Tue, 20 May 2003 14:09:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:09:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:09:26 -0700 Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3185EAAA-8AEE-11D7-8670-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AMAZING STUFF (again!) I'd pre-order one of these baby's in a heartbeat. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 07:22 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >> http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/interference.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 14:44:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KIh2N14824; Tue, 20 May 2003 14:43:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:43:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:38:44 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: best place to buy an apple... In-reply-to: <4085E418-8AEC-11D7-8670-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: <2NrL8D.A.ymD.icny-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would suggest only buying a desktop(powermac) or a powerbook, because the cache is is better than on ibooks and imacs and plus you've got something more than firewire for expansion (pcmcia on powerbook) pci slots on powermac if you want to put in an audio card, a pci firewire 2 card, DSP cards, extra internal drives, . in both cases upgrading HD and other stuff is easier on these two models too. I would only recommend buying new, refurbished, discontinued (has to be less than so many days old from orig manufacture[90? 180?] for applecare to be valid) and then only only only with an applecare warranty and maybe even a fry's warranty too(cause sometimes you can trade up in the mix and they'll float you a loaner for no downtime vs. applecare you have to go without for a little bit). You might luck out and lots of people do okay with a used machine and no warranty, but what if you don't, and you end up with someone elses problem or something they never really used in the machine and didn't know was a prob and in any case it's a gamble. So my vote would be for expandability, performance and no hidden costs. I would shoot for a model that's being discontinued because of a newer model, an open box, an open box of a refurbished demo, etc. as long as it's technically "new" so it could be warranteed thereby offsetting the cost of the warranty and then some by the copious savings on the unit itself. on 5/20/03 10:55 AM, mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Evan Meyers wrote: > >> okay, the time has come... >> >> the hours have been worked and the money has been >> saved and now it is time to put together my project >> studio. i'm looking at getting a MAC G4 desktop. i >> don't want anything slower than 800 processor speed >> and obviously i plan to load it with probably above >> 700 meg of ram. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 15:44:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KJgXS22302; Tue, 20 May 2003 15:42:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:42:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace R. Meyer" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Road Games Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:41:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c31f07$ddc1bec0$4c38ddcf@DellaReese> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kids-- Got to meet the mysterious and giggly Goddess yesterday, as we are out exploring America-boy does Wyoming suck! We are dragging Hercules, the 14 year old Springer Spaniel along-going to see my father in Norman, Oklahoma--please please please please please somebody there who loops pmail me and I will visit. Best, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 16:33:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KKW3j28769; Tue, 20 May 2003 16:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:32:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030520153031.053ae700@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:30:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: RE: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! - Plugzilla? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With a list price at over $3k US it doesn't look like a very good alternative to a laptop running software or any of the dedicated hardware looping tools for live looping applications. Lorren Stafford Blackbox Music Electronics http://www.blackboxmusicfx.com At 10:44 AM 5/15/03 -0400, you wrote: >Plugzilla (hardware VST host - http://www.plugzilla.com/) was supposed to be >shipping last month. Anyone see/touch it yet? It's supposed to be able to >handle up to 32 channels of reverb (I don't know who's reverb they're >talking about) and up to 8 plug-ins. Might be more reliable than a laptop >for performing, but more expensive (and you can't surf the net on it >*shrug*). I'm curious to see where it goes, and if it's successful. > >Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:23 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Very Good News!!!!!! Looping software!!! Come On !!! > > > > > > At 11:46 PM 5/14/2003 +0100, Geoff Smith wrote: > > > > >Perhaps someone will create a max/msp patch that allows u to > > run 8 psp42's > > >and switch the same audio input between them without > > glitching. That would > > >be the final piece in the puzzle. > > > > Hrm, it seems as if you ought to be able to do something like > > that pretty > > easily from either VBox or Spark. Or perhaps one of the > > widgets in Cycling > > 74's Pluggo...? > > > > Unfortunately, I'm not a regular user of those programs so I > > can't say for > > certain. They're some possibilities to hopefully get you > > started, however. > > > > -c- > > > > _____ > > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > > -recoil > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 16:50:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KKlCx31037; Tue, 20 May 2003 16:47:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:47:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030520145215.008642b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:52:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Road Games In-Reply-To: <000001c31f07$ddc1bec0$4c38ddcf@DellaReese> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, ya beat me to it! lol! Mysterious, YES!, GIGGLY, -NEVER! lollollolllolollollollollol! -The pleasure was all mine. I got to luxuriate in the lovely lasting loquaciousness of the great and garrulous Gary! lol! Candace, Gary and Hercules took myself and a friend to a wonderful lunch yesterday, and we had a HOOTNANNY!!! lol! -with Gary suddenly pulling out a harmonica and serenading us in the restaurant. I want to thank them for a most wonderful time. Smiles, Cara At 12:41 PM 5/20/03 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Kids-- >Got to meet the mysterious and giggly Goddess yesterday, as we are out >exploring America-boy does Wyoming suck! >We are dragging Hercules, the 14 year old Springer Spaniel along-going >to see my father in Norman, Oklahoma--please please please please please >somebody there who loops pmail me and I will visit. >Best, >Gary > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 18:13:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KMAMY11205; Tue, 20 May 2003 18:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:10:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030520221002.68178.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Master and slave To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes yes, you are on the right topic but a... please don´t stop! L.a --- "William R. Walker," wrote: > I generally prefer to be the master, I enjoy wearing > tight fitting leather > garments with studs and a large cat o' nine tails, > while my partner prefers > the slave role with one of those masks with a zipper > for the mouth, and ,a, > um, er oh, I'm sorry were we talking about the same > subject? > chilly b > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 18:44:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KMi0G14474; Tue, 20 May 2003 18:44:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:44:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030520042046.16549.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: hardware MIDI looper?? Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:43:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2003 22:43:42.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[438000F0:01C31F21] Resent-Message-ID: <8Cty2.A.0hD.k-qy-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I've said before - the emu command station. The only thing that stops this from being a full blown looper is the lack of a feedback control. bIz --------------------- www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." --------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "dylan" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: hardware MIDI looper?? > are there any hardware MIDI loopers out there? here's what > I want to do: I want a unit, let's call it a "MIDIrang," > where I can tap a tempo (and a loop length, for instance 8 > beats or something) then feed it a line from a MIDI > controller. and i want it to repeat that line (through the > MIDIrang's MIDI output) so i can feed it to a bunch of > synths and mix the outputs of those synths together. > > I know the MS2000 and other synths have step sequencers > that would repeat a pattern like this, but the pattern > can't be created or replaced on the fly (aka LIVE)... or > can it? any ideas? > > MIDIrang where are you???? > > P.S. i guess a software option could be cool too. somebody > I think mentioned an opensource or free MIDI looper a while > back, any other options? Thanks! > > - dylan > > dylanhassinger@yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEA32B.04CB34E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 21:59:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L1xB605607; Tue, 20 May 2003 21:59:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:59:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520185027.014ee4d0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:58:50 -0700 To: "Looper's Delight" From: Hans Lindauer Subject: New e-mail address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I've just changed ISPs, and my new e-mail address is: armatronix@sbcglobal.net I've also quit my job at Ernie Ball (on good terms, in case you were wondering), so both hans@ernieball.com and armatronix@charter.net are no longer effective. If anybody's tried to get ahold of me in the past couple of weeks at Ernie Ball, I'm not ignoring you - I just didn't get your e-mail. -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 21:59:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L1xN905758; Tue, 20 May 2003 21:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:59:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520184441.014f4e80@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:59:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 2 In-Reply-To: <3EC9E805.73C86008@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4rNBIC.A.7XB.y1ty-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It sounds like my computer's broken. Nice one, Andre. -Hans At 01:32 20/05/2003, you wrote: >And now for something completely different: > >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/interference.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 22:01:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L1xmV06297; Tue, 20 May 2003 21:59:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:59:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520184037.014bc808@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:43:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Re: hardware MIDI looper?? In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1053389611@localhost> References: <20030520042046.16549.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> <20030520042046.16549.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mobius isn't really a very good sequencer, unless you like the way a TB-303 operates. It won't even record incoming midi into the steps. I wrote to the designer after I got my FR-777 (same sequencer), requesting features to make the box more playable live, but it sounded like the program memory was just about maxed out. -Hans At 22:13 19/05/2003, you wrote: >I've been looking at this >(http://www.future-retro.com/) which I think >can do what you are describing. It isn't even very expensive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 22:20:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L2KG908576; Tue, 20 May 2003 22:20:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:20:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ECA397D.693848B3@cstone.net> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:19:42 +0800 From: John Hunter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electrix Rewpeater + FCB1010 Controller + Upgraded Boomerang! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What!! Have I gone mad???! Nah, my wife and I are building a new house. (To paraphase John Prine; "there's a hole in dady's pocket, where all the money goes..") So: Electrix Repeater with original memory card, power supply and photo-copied manual, with a new, in box Behringer FCB 1010 Midi Floor Controller. (Will not separate).$800 Also an excellent condition Boomerang Phrase Sampler, with the upgrades 1845 chip (equals the newer "plus" version 'Rang) Manual and power supply. $225 No Trades. I have Beau coup references both here on over at Analog Heaven. Won't you help a poor boy get a (new) home? :-) TIA, John Hunter Black Lotus Sound From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 23:04:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L33gP14559; Tue, 20 May 2003 23:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:03:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <38.394d98d4.2bfc466e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:03:10 EDT Subject: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.394d98d4.2bfc466e_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_38.394d98d4.2bfc466e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is an article found on H.C.Click here: LINE 6 VARIAX this months GUITAR PLAYER featured the variax.....hmmmm.....and i was wantin a new guitar.....i think this was mentioned here before and the LD reviewers were not that impressed (?).....any insights.....SO SORRY FOR A GUITAR POST.....not really!.....:).....m --part1_38.394d98d4.2bfc466e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this is an article found=20= on H.C.Click here: LINE 6 VARIAX this months GUITAR PLAYER featured the varia= x.....hmmmm.....and i was wantin a new guitar.....i think this was mentioned= here before and the LD reviewers were not that impressed (?).....any insigh= ts.....SO SORRY FOR A GUITAR POST.....not really!.....:).....m --part1_38.394d98d4.2bfc466e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 01:37:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L5aNU31188; Wed, 21 May 2003 01:36:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:36:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:35:53 -0700 Subject: Re: hardware MIDI looper?? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030520164312.92499.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My wishes for a hardware MIDI looper: * Define the loop length on the fly rather than having to think in advance about it being x number of bars at y tempo. Or I want to split the difference and specify the tempo in beats per minute but not lock myself in with respect to the number of beats. (For example, I might set things to 100 bpm and start playing a groove only to discover that I seemed to be feeling like 7/4 today.) * I'd like to be able to multiply out a loop so that I can record the basic pulse, multiply it out, and then ornament it * If I can't have feedback, then I want easy ways to switch tracks, switch sounds assigned to tracks, and mute and unmute tracks -- which I guess points out that I want multi-track support * I want the ability to erase notes while the loop is playing -- again particularly important when feedback isn't available * It needs to loop controller information as well. Actually, in some ways, this would be easier with respect to implementing a feedback capability. * I want to save and restore loops without stopping playback -- a la using Next Loop on the EDP (though even there it could be better) * I want to be able to pull in loops over the top of other loops a la using an EDP as a sampler or more specifically thinking about a real time version of recording and playback for something like Roland's RPS functionality (which you have to go set up ahead of time). * There should be essentially no functions that require me stopping play back. How much of that can the Command Stations do? Mark P.S. I'm torn right now between: * A Command Station * A MachineDrum * Sticking with playing my HandSonic into my EDP * Supplementing the latter with something cheap like an Electribe I'd also like a step sequencer but that's distinctly different from a looper. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 03:26:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L7PYO08953; Wed, 21 May 2003 03:25:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 03:25:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521072509.69375.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <38.394d98d4.2bfc466e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well now the decision has to be made between a roland VG-88, a VA amp or this.With the roland you need a midi converter and here well you´re stuck with this lovely guitar. Can´t beat the practicality though So how much are this sweeties? Louie --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > this is an article found on H.C. HREF="http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_line_variax/index.htm">Click > here: LINE 6 VARIAX this months GUITAR > PLAYER featured the variax.....hmmmm.....and i was > wantin a new guitar.....i > think this was mentioned here before and the LD > reviewers were not that > impressed (?).....any insights.....SO SORRY FOR A > GUITAR POST.....not > really!.....:).....m > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 03:29:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L7T4u09445; Wed, 21 May 2003 03:29:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 03:29:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521072847.20397.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520184441.014f4e80@pop.charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very inspiring André! can you really do this live??? Louie > > At 01:32 20/05/2003, you wrote: > >And now for something completely different: > > > >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/interference.mp3 > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 04:04:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L83RB13818; Wed, 21 May 2003 04:03:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 04:03:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ECB31AA.D847A15@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:58:33 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 2 References: <20030521072847.20397.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Louie, Louie Angulo wrote: > can you really do this live??? The whole track, no - this is one of three "produced" tracks on the album, where I took a live EDP solo and then treated it like a rhythm section foundation track. So all of the other melodies and sounds on "Interference" were written and recorded after the fact. But the original EDP track (the gurgling sputtering metallic dancehall thing, which is panned dead center in the mix) is about 95% live on this tune - just a small bit of editing after the fact, to give it a bit of structure. Once the album's out, I'll probably post files of the original, unedited live EDP solos that were the basis for the produced tracks, so you can hear the difference. And not to worry, Geoff Smith, I'm only releasing the two tracks I've already posted, as teasers for the full album. The CD will be about 73 minutes long, so even after the two tracks I've made available for download, there's still an hour's worth of music that's only available (or soon to be available) on the CD. But thanks for your concern for my financial well-being! ;) --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 04:36:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L8XvV16189; Wed, 21 May 2003 04:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 04:33:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e101c31f73$acbd67e0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Trivial Question for UK Folks Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:33:36 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi kids, In anticipation of prices for some things being exhorbitant over here I brought spare supplies - in this case - of guitar strings, when I moved here in 2000. Is looking for new strings going to be as complicated a search as was my wall warts/transformer search was? Should I expect to pay a surcharge on electric strings from the US, or am I sentenced to purchasing lower-cost ones from some bizarre sector of the world not yet encountered? My last fourth broke last night, and I thought I'd ask those who really know here, before I end up finding that I have to go to a particular section of London to get good [spit] "value for money" as they're so fond of saying in adverts here...? Thanks. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 04:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L8jEM16983; Wed, 21 May 2003 04:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 04:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Jamma - new loop-sampler Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:44:55 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000b01c31f75$41336db0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002601c31ea9$af569820$e05e23c0@dra.hmg.gb> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew jones [mailto:M.Jones@signal.qinetiq.com] Hi Mat, By the specifications at the site this looks awesome :-D > - Multi I/O means that multiple people can record > simulataneously, Or from synced hardware looping devices as well, I guess...? Is Jamma reading/sending midi clock? Can you use it on a machine with less than eight hardware inputs/outputs? (Thinking about checking it out on a laptop while away from my main studio computer) Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival, May 16 to June 4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 04:55:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L8sda17821; Wed, 21 May 2003 04:54:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 04:54:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521085424.32395.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3ECB31AA.D847A15@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1g6EDD.A.IWE.H7zy-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I understand what Geoff is saying but on the other hand there is a musical innovative revolution happening through Andre´s webpage, i´ve learned so much reading his musical concepts,techniques,etc.on his website and listening to its respective samples.I am a guitarrist but honestly i get bored listening to guitar albums very quickly.What Andy is doing in my opinion is very exciting as far as millenium guitar is concerned,and it is truly motivating to all of us messing aroung with such a device.I must say that us humas get lazy,bored and unmotivated very quickly and he is only doing us a favor!I think through the information Andre freely gives out at the end it only increases his web traffic and i think André will sell a lot of records through the world anyway! Good luck Andy and put me on your buyers list bro! louie ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 05:05:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L94EL19950; Wed, 21 May 2003 05:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 05:04:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521090359.80968.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 02:03:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Live Loop composing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3ECB31AA.D847A15@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, This is very interesting and i have been meaning to ask this question not only to you but most loopers here; do you go with preconceived musical ideas before you do a gig or do you start improvising with preconcieved techniques?Are there glitch compositions which you can recreate live? I would imagine this a hard task since like you mention on your web page sometimes you don´t know which buttons you pressed:-) Louie --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > Hi Louie, > > Louie Angulo wrote: > > > can you really do this live??? > > The whole track, no - this is one of three > "produced" tracks on the > album, where I took a live EDP solo and then treated > it like a rhythm > section foundation track. So all of the other > melodies and sounds on > "Interference" were written and recorded after the > fact. But the > original EDP track (the gurgling sputtering metallic > dancehall thing, > which is panned dead center in the mix) is about 95% > live on this tune - > just a small bit of editing after the fact, to give > it a bit of > structure. > > Once the album's out, I'll probably post files of > the original, unedited > live EDP solos that were the basis for the produced > tracks, so you can > hear the difference. > > And not to worry, Geoff Smith, I'm only releasing > the two tracks I've > already posted, as teasers for the full album. The > CD will be about 73 > minutes long, so even after the two tracks I've made > available for > download, there's still an hour's worth of music > that's only available > (or soon to be available) on the CD. But thanks for > your concern for my > financial well-being! ;) > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 05:17:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L9GNT21722; Wed, 21 May 2003 05:16:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 05:16:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:20:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Trivial Question for UK Folks From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e101c31f73$acbd67e0$0201a8c0@eluk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4L9GDB21685 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thomann music Online german retailer strings from about £2 a set guitar leads about £1.50 volume pedals about £13 etc. prices are from my vague memory but are approx right. I put in a big order once a year to get around the postage cost. G on 21/5/03 9:33 am, Steve Goodman at spgoodman@earthlight.net wrote: > Hi kids, > > In anticipation of prices for some things being exhorbitant over here I > brought spare supplies - in this case - of guitar strings, when I moved here > in 2000. Is looking for new strings going to be as complicated a search as > was my wall warts/transformer search was? Should I expect to pay a > surcharge on electric strings from the US, or am I sentenced to purchasing > lower-cost ones from some bizarre sector of the world not yet encountered? > > My last fourth broke last night, and I thought I'd ask those who really know > here, before I end up finding that I have to go to a particular section of > London to get good [spit] "value for money" as they're so fond of saying in > adverts here...? Thanks. > > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 05:53:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L9qxQ25063; Wed, 21 May 2003 05:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 05:52:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c31f7e$8f265420$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20030521072847.20397.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 2 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:51:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-i4koC.A.ZHG.ux0y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great stuff! Marvellous - the stereo melodies are fantastic... all good stuff - will buy as soon as it's available... Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 05:59:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L9wmq25593; Wed, 21 May 2003 05:58:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 05:58:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.200.93.145] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: References: <00e101c31f73$acbd67e0$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: [ot] Re: Trivial Question for UK Folks Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:56:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2003 09:58:32.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[89C89F00:01C31F7F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Steve, Do you mean pay a surchage when the stuff arrives from the US to the UK ? I've never ordered strings and things, but occasionally I'll order CD's from the the US Amazon site, and I've not yet been charged any custom duties. If you can get the people shipping to tick the 'Gift' box on the little green customs sticker that helps too ! On the expense of stuff in the UK - you must have heard the phrase 'Rip-off Britain' in your time here ? It's a well known phenomenon. Everything from cars to cds' to the cost of a latte. You can buy 6 Dunlop picks for $3.99 from Musicians friend but they cost about 70p each in the centre of London ( $6.49 ). This kind fleecing goes back to the days when US made stuff was hard to find. When it wasn't, you know the 'shopkeeper' ain't going to reduce his price, esp. when people here continue to shell out for their overpriced gear. There's probably one of those price fixing cartels at work, esp. in London's self styled 'Tin Pan Alley' ( Denmark St. ). And the pound is strong against the dollar at the moment too. Anyway, strings, a set of D'addario 11's cost about £6, that's about $9.80. Only $4.49 on the web from Musicians Friend. ( Is it any wonder the UK youth prefer electronic based music to 'lectric guitar based stuff ? ) Recently, I was looking into finding an on-line US shop that will post strings, picks etc. to the UK. Musician's Friend don't, nor do Sam Ash. There must be a better way. If you find one let me know ! Good luck, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Goodman To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: Trivial Question for UK Folks > Hi kids, > > In anticipation of prices for some things being exhorbitant over here I > brought spare supplies - in this case - of guitar strings, when I moved here > in 2000. Is looking for new strings going to be as complicated a search as > was my wall warts/transformer search was? Should I expect to pay a > surcharge on electric strings from the US, or am I sentenced to purchasing > lower-cost ones from some bizarre sector of the world not yet encountered? > > My last fourth broke last night, and I thought I'd ask those who really know > here, before I end up finding that I have to go to a particular section of > London to get good [spit] "value for money" as they're so fond of saying in > adverts here...? Thanks. > > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 10:06:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LE41r21414; Wed, 21 May 2003 10:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:04:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38.394d98d4.2bfc466e@aol.com> References: <38.394d98d4.2bfc466e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:02:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: OT: LINE 6 VARIAX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1158596751==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1158596751==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ted, i'm assuming you looked at h-c: http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Line-6/Variax-01.html funny i had read these a while back when there wasn't many reviews, and a few of the early ones weren't favorable, seems some got to test an early version. but there's a lot now (46 reviews). i remember reading somewhere about the future guitar setup, variax w/ the podxt and their vetta amp, you have the "potential" for "unlimited sounds variations" from a simple setup. or at least you have unlimited variations as how line 6 have developed them. good luck!!! s--- >this is an article found on >H.C.Click >here: LINE 6 VARIAX this months GUITAR PLAYER featured the >variax.....hmmmm.....and i was wantin a new guitar.....i think this >was mentioned here before and the LD reviewers were not that >impressed (?).....any insights.....SO SORRY FOR A GUITAR >POST.....not really!.....:).....m -- --============_-1158596751==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" OT: LINE 6 VARIAX
ted, i'm assuming you looked at h-c:
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Line-6/Variax-01.html

funny i had read these a while back when there wasn't many reviews,
and a few of the early ones weren't favorable, seems some got to
test an early version. but there's a lot now (46 reviews). i remember reading somewhere about the future guitar setup, variax w/ the podxt and their vetta amp, you have the "potential" for "unlimited sounds variations" from a simple setup. or at least you have unlimited variations as how line 6 have developed them. good luck!!!
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this is an article found on H.C.Click here: LINE 6 VARIAX this months GUITAR PLAYER featured the variax.....hmmmm.....and i was wantin a new guitar.....i think this was mentioned here before and the LD reviewers were not that impressed (?).....any insights.....SO SORRY FOR A GUITAR POST.....not really!.....:).....m


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--============_-1158596751==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 10:16:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LEFkT22977; Wed, 21 May 2003 10:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:04:32 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013c01c31fa1$e7bb18a0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_kYdNJzZ3fmtf0+nsn8T8cw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <38.394d98d4.2bfc466e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_kYdNJzZ3fmtf0+nsn8T8cw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >this is an article found on H.C.Click here: LINE 6 >VARIAX this months GUITAR PLAYER featured >the variax.....hmmmm.....and i was wantin a new guitar >.....i think this was mentioned here before and the LD >reviewers were not that impressed (?).....any insights >.....SO SORRY FOR A GUITAR POST.....not really!.....:).....m Unimpressed. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db --Boundary_(ID_kYdNJzZ3fmtf0+nsn8T8cw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
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>this is an article found on H.C.Click here: LINE 6
>VARIAX this months GUITAR PLAYER featured
>the variax.....hmmmm.....and i was wantin a new guitar
>.....i think this was mentioned here before and the LD
>reviewers were not that impressed (?).....any insights
>.....SO SORRY FOR A GUITAR POST.....not really!.....:).....m
 
Unimpressed.
 
 
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
--Boundary_(ID_kYdNJzZ3fmtf0+nsn8T8cw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 10:39:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LEaUP25189; Wed, 21 May 2003 10:36:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:36:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521143613.13540.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: hardware MIDI looper?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200305210804.h4L841s13926@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: <<<<<<<>>>>>> No can do on a Command Station. <<<<<<<* I'd like to be able to multiply out a loop so that I can record the basic pulse, multiply it out, and then ornament it>>>>> Likewise, SOL. <<<<<* If I can't have feedback, then I want easy ways to switch tracks, switch sounds assigned to tracks, and mute and unmute tracks -- which I guess points out that I want multi-track support>>>>> Pretty straightforward on these aspects, you do have to have your hands on the beast though. I suppose much of this can be done with MIDI foopedals, though I haven't explored this at all. Switching tracks is easy with the up/down scroll function near the screen, switching sounds is a bit more difficult as you have so many to choose from. My command station is maxxed out with 4 sound ROM's which gives me 13 banks of 128 sounds plus 4 banks of User definable sounds. A total of 2176 different options. Of course if I was doing what you are asking, I'd take my most used sound and place them side by side in the User bank where I could find them quickly and easily. Muting/unmuting tracks, well you have 16 dedicated buttons for that... it don't get much more intuitive than that. Plus with one button press, the screen shows a mixdown chart and you have 16 rotary encoders that will adjust on the fly. My only small complaint about this feature is that the volume will "snap" to the current knob position (once you move it) rather than turning it beyond the actual current location to activate it. <<<<<* I want the ability to erase notes while the loop is playing -- again particularly important when feedback isn't available>>>>> Piece of cake with the command stations. You can erase the whole track, portions of it, or selected notes only. Imagine this, recording a cluster of notes on the keyboard, then going through the loop again and holding down specific notes while holding the erase button. These notes then drop out of the loop. You can go from sonic mayhem to a finely crafted sound in this manner. <<<<<<<<* It needs to loop controller information as well. Actually, in some ways, this would be easier with respect to implementing a feedback capability.>>>>>>> Not sure what you mean here, do you mean stuff like pitch bend and pan and volume and all the various modulation sources availble through MIDI? If so, then yes, this stuff is all a part of the recorded track. <<<<<* I want to save and restore loops without stopping playback -- a la using Next Loop on the EDP (though even there it could be better)>>>>> All the above is availble without stopping playback. <<<<<* I want to be able to pull in loops over the top of other loops a la using an EDP as a sampler or more specifically thinking about a real time version of recording and playback for something like Roland's RPS functionality (which you have to go set up ahead of time).>>>>> Sorry, I'm not familiar with Roland's RPS functionality. The command station can act like a MIDI clock source if you want to sync other things up with it. * There should be essentially no functions that require me stopping play back. How much of that can the Command Stations do? Well a command station can do what I've outlined, though that's about 5% of what they are capable of. They are not designed to be MIDI loopers, that's just one of the results of a very powerful machine. Many people are using them in many different ways. If you are into mixing beats and hip hop and trance electronic and what have you, these are great machines. I myself use it mostly as a sound module with extra trimmings. When I want to loop, I use a looper (as that's what they do best) and when I want to sculpt sounds, I use a combination of sound modules and controllers. They also feature very in depth and fairly well laid out access to creating your own patches and sounds. While their sound cards do not approach the quality of a Kurzweil for example, they are well above average (compared to Roland, Korg, Yamaha, etc.) <<<<<>>>> It really depends on what you want to do Mark, if you are having good results from the Handsonic/EDP combination, stay with it. It will do things that no MIDI looper will come close to at this point in time. The command stations are in a class of their own. And at $499, they have really closed the gap with any competition. When they first came out, they were $1200 street price! Just to clarify a bit... the command stations are the logical extension of the Proteus 2000 sound engine with the addition of a sequencer. The XL-7 is the XL-1 card (Xtreme Lead) in a sequencer. The MP-7 is the Mo'Phatt sound card, the Proteus 2500 is the Proteus 2000, (and yes it is the same beast as the XL-7 and the MP-7 without the rubber keypads and the ribbon strip), and they are coming out with a new one this summer, the PX-7 which is the same command station with a drum ROM card only. I guess they mean this one to be a drum machine. Each command station comes with 4 slots total for expansion cards ($275 a pop, though deals come up all the time) so you can tailor the sounds to your taste. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 11:56:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LFt9N03354; Wed, 21 May 2003 11:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16f.1ee752d5.2bfcfb42@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:54:42 EDT Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16f.1ee752d5.2bfcfb42_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16f.1ee752d5.2bfcfb42_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > So how much are this sweeties? > louie.....they (GP) said street price will be about $999.00.....i was surprised by the very positive reviews on both accounts and the talk of expandability in the near future, ability to download new models (sounds) into the variax and directly connect to a puter for those of that bent.....michael --part1_16f.1ee752d5.2bfcfb42_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/21/0= 3 3:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes:


So how much are this sweeties?<= BR>


louie.....they (GP) said street price will be about $999.00.....i was surpri= sed by the very positive reviews on both accounts and the talk of expandabil= ity in the near future, ability to download new models (sounds) into the var= iax and directly connect to a puter for those of that bent.....michael --part1_16f.1ee752d5.2bfcfb42_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 13:00:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LGs2a11617; Wed, 21 May 2003 12:54:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:54:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521165350.60932.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: New e-mail address To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520185027.014ee4d0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Hans Lindauer wrote: > I've also quit my job at Ernie Ball (on good terms, in case you were > wondering), so both hans@ernieball.com and armatronix@charter.net are no > longer effective. Hey Hans, just curious, but what's next for you? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 13:18:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LHHfb15754; Wed, 21 May 2003 13:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:17:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:17:17 +0200 Subject: Re: Live Loop composing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030521090359.80968.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <12836EE6-8BB0-11D7-8F02-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 11:03 am, Louie Angulo wrote: > do you go with preconceived musical ideas before > you do a gig or do you start improvising with > preconcieved techniques? For me, I have a series of 'hooks' that can get me into the mood when playing live. These are pre-conceived ideas/melodies that are the founding ingredients for an impro piece. However, none of these hooks are ever played the same twice. The problem with total improv is sometimes my head just does not work, and it is hard to gain inspiration. This is especially hard when you have a bad sound, noisy unappreciative audience or simply are having bad day.... Its similar to playing modern jazz, whereby you have a melody to base the improvisations off of. If I am comfortable, suitably stoned (alas, I play better when I am in this state) and am in good surroundings, then I can perform entire concerts completely improvised.... but I can normally only do this at home or at parties.... - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 13:49:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LHloc19549; Wed, 21 May 2003 13:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:47:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:46:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Live Loop composing From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030521090359.80968.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for myself, i do a combination of both: precomposed pieces and improv. i guess it's like structured improv really. generally i have a pre-concieved aesthetic in my mind and a few coordinated 'bits' i've figured out in advance. if i'm well-rehearsed and relaxed the 'bits' play a smaller part in the performance, the rest is serendipity. if i'm not well-rehearsed and relaxed, the performance is all about the 'bits' (and usually not as interesting or musical - like my pathetic y2k2 performance!). i think of it kind of like jazz musicians and scales. if a jazz player isn't 'feeling it' they can fall back on the scale. at the same time, those scales are the potential building blocks of a great improv. a note about 'well-rehearsed'. this refers to the equipment as much as playing my instrument. for example, i've been playing the cello for so long that it's is transparent, and just a translation device for the music in my head. i put my fingers down on the strings without thinking about where they're going or what they're doing. the more i practice with the looping gear-midi controller, i've noticed it starts to become transparent too, so i can be more musical. i just hope it doesn't take as long as cello (i.e. 22 years). 'glitch' compositions usually end up being my favorite pieces. i've spent a lot of time recently trying to recreate glitches i liked in the past. but i'm finding it really hard. the result has been a bit forced-souding and i'm thinking that 'practicing glitches' might be an oxymoron. > From: Louie Angulo > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 02:03:59 -0700 (PDT) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Live Loop composing > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 05:04:05 -0400 > > Hi Andy, > This is very interesting and i have been meaning to > ask this question not only to you but most loopers > here; do you go with preconceived musical ideas before > you do a gig or do you start improvising with > preconcieved techniques?Are there glitch compositions > which you can recreate live? I would imagine this a > hard task since like you mention on your web page > sometimes you don?t know which buttons you pressed:-) > Louie > > > > --- Andre LaFosse wrote: >> Hi Louie, >> >> Louie Angulo wrote: >> >>> can you really do this live??? >> >> The whole track, no - this is one of three >> "produced" tracks on the >> album, where I took a live EDP solo and then treated >> it like a rhythm >> section foundation track. So all of the other >> melodies and sounds on >> "Interference" were written and recorded after the >> fact. But the >> original EDP track (the gurgling sputtering metallic >> dancehall thing, >> which is panned dead center in the mix) is about 95% >> live on this tune - >> just a small bit of editing after the fact, to give >> it a bit of >> structure. >> >> Once the album's out, I'll probably post files of >> the original, unedited >> live EDP solos that were the basis for the produced >> tracks, so you can >> hear the difference. >> >> And not to worry, Geoff Smith, I'm only releasing >> the two tracks I've >> already posted, as teasers for the full album. The >> CD will be about 73 >> minutes long, so even after the two tracks I've made >> available for >> download, there's still an hour's worth of music >> that's only available >> (or soon to be available) on the CD. But thanks for >> your concern for my >> financial well-being! ;) >> >> --Andre LaFosse >> The Echoplex Analysis Pages: >> http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP >> > > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 13:55:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LHrJD20224; Wed, 21 May 2003 13:53:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:53:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521175301.50401.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <013c01c31fa1$e7bb18a0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2bCZmD.A.T7E.-z7y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what about feedback - can you get feedback out of these things? --- David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > > >this is an article found on H.C.Click here: LINE 6 > >VARIAX this months GUITAR PLAYER featured > >the variax.....hmmmm.....and i was wantin a new > guitar > >.....i think this was mentioned here before and the > LD > >reviewers were not that impressed (?).....any > insights > >.....SO SORRY FOR A GUITAR POST.....not > really!.....:).....m > > Unimpressed. > > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 14:04:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LI39Q22668; Wed, 21 May 2003 14:03:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:03:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030521120853.008638b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:08:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX In-Reply-To: <16f.1ee752d5.2bfcfb42@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What bothers me about this though, is that the guitar itself, from what I know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap strat, and if I'm going to spend that kind of money for an instrument, it better be a nice one! lol! -just my thoughts... Smiles, Cara At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > > > So how much are this sweeties? > > > > louie.....they (GP) said street price will be about $999.00.....i was >surprised by the very positive reviews on both accounts and the talk of >expandability in the near future, ability to download new models (sounds) >into the variax and directly connect to a puter for those of that >bent.....michael --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 14:10:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LI8nC23447; Wed, 21 May 2003 14:08:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:08:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ECBC359.341F7921@erols.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:20:10 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX References: <20030521175301.50401.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Squid Loop wrote: > what about feedback - can you get feedback out of > these things? > > --- David Beardsley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > > > > >this is an article found on H.C.Click here: LINE 6 > > >VARIAX this months GUITAR PLAYER featured > > >the variax.....hmmmm.....and i was wantin a new > > guitar > > >.....i think this was mentioned here before and the > > LD > > >reviewers were not that impressed (?).....any > > insights > > >.....SO SORRY FOR A GUITAR POST.....not > > really!.....:).....m > > > > Unimpressed. > > > > > > * David Beardsley > > * microtonal guitar > > * http://biink.com/db > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com The July issue of Guitar Player has a huge article on the Variax. It's acutually on the cover. They had all sorts of people(including pros like Steve Morse and John Scofield test it) Most of them had positive things to say about it. It does get feedback. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 14:52:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LIne928170; Wed, 21 May 2003 14:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:49:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521184916.92602.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Live Loop composing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <12836EE6-8BB0-11D7-8F02-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good point stuart! cheers Louie > If I am comfortable, suitably stoned (alas, I play > better when I am in > this state) and am in good surroundings, then I can > perform entire > concerts completely improvised.... but I can > normally only do this at > home or at parties.... > > - Stu > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 14:53:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LIq2828465; Wed, 21 May 2003 14:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:52:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:50:03 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Loop composing MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3B1926CD.2ACB906A.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/21/2003 12:17:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, loopersdelight@solostring.com writes: > I play better when I am in > this state I play best in California, but Michigan will have to do. Ahhhahahhahhaaaa, get it? State...? Californ...fergetit. Alas, why get stoned? Alas, getting stoned is lame. Alas, pot makes people high? Why? Why do people get high? What's the attraction? Day after day, alone on a hill, the man with a foolish grin is keeping perfectly still, but nobody wants to know him, they can see that he's just a fool...but the fool on the hill...sees the world spinning 'round... pot pot pot, why is pot so incredibly popular? Why is it illegal? Why do so many musicians get high? Why can't I find PLAYERS WHO DON'T GET HIGH, FOR FUCK'S SAKE??? So sorry, I just had to vent a little. Peace. Welcome home! We LOVE YOU!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 14:53:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LIpre28449; Wed, 21 May 2003 14:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521185118.50981.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16f.1ee752d5.2bfcfb42@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, thats what i payed for my american strat so it better be as good.I don´t think the reselling price will be half of that though... Louie --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > > > > So how much are this sweeties? > > > > louie.....they (GP) said street price will be about > $999.00.....i was > surprised by the very positive reviews on both > accounts and the talk of > expandability in the near future, ability to > download new models (sounds) > into the variax and directly connect to a puter for > those of that > bent.....michael > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:02:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJ0ae30682; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:00:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:00:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521190007.52786.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Live Loop composing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B1926CD.2ACB906A.007D6382@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <31qdT.A.9eH.9y8y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well no,i thought ...Dylan said it... didn´t he sing... "everybody must get stone"? (At least thats the excuse i used with mommy...) > Alas, why get stoned?> > Why do so many musicians get high? Why can't I find > PLAYERS > WHO DON'T GET HIGH, FOR FUCK'S SAKE??? > > So sorry, I just had to vent a little. > Peace. Welcome home! We LOVE YOU!!! > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:08:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJ63n31292; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:06:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:06:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:05:45 -0700 Subject: why pot before looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3B1926CD.2ACB906A.007D6382@aol.com> Message-Id: <397DEC28-8BBF-11D7-89E8-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 11:50 AM, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > > pot pot pot, why is pot so incredibly popular? Why is it illegal? > Why do so many musicians get high? Why can't I find PLAYERS > WHO DON'T GET HIGH, FOR FUCK'S SAKE??? > I once smoked a bit before I practiced at home in my studio to see what the "buzz" was about. I did get it. It did allow a quicker transition from the more concrete thought of everyday life, to the more fluid and abstract thought needed for good music making. I never did it again though, as if I can relax and ease into it, I can get there without it more cheaply and without the chest pain. I also don't like the "stupid" feeling it gives me, and I've noticed that the 2nd day after smoking marijuana I'm very irritable. I rarely do though, so it stands out to me. psychedelics on the other hand... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:13:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJCYV32134; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:12:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:12:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c31fcc$e7b082c0$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <3B1926CD.2ACB906A.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: Live Loop composting Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:12:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't get high, or drink alcohol. It's the only way I can be a professional musician and still afford to buy an Echoplex Digital Pro! Pot is popular because it doesn't take dedication or stamina like heroin. People are lazy. Move to the Free State (http://www.freestateproject.org), where they will legalize drugs, and they will lose their cool breakin' tha law attraction. ...or everybody will just be high all the time. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Live Loop composing > In a message dated 5/21/2003 12:17:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, loopersdelight@solostring.com writes: > > > I play better when I am in > > this state > > I play best in California, but Michigan will have to do. > > Ahhhahahhahhaaaa, get it? State...? Californ...fergetit. > Alas, why get stoned? Alas, getting stoned is lame. Alas, pot > makes people high? Why? Why do people get high? What's the > attraction? Day after day, alone on a hill, the man with a foolish > grin is keeping perfectly still, but nobody wants to know him, > > they can see that he's just a fool...but the fool on the hill...sees the world spinning 'round... > > pot pot pot, why is pot so incredibly popular? Why is it illegal? > Why do so many musicians get high? Why can't I find PLAYERS > WHO DON'T GET HIGH, FOR FUCK'S SAKE??? > > So sorry, I just had to vent a little. > Peace. Welcome home! We LOVE YOU!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:13:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJCxW32199; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:12:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:12:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: OT: state Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:07:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c31fcc$2f73bf10$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B1926CD.2ACB906A.007D6382@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, ultimately, I guess you'd have to blame it on the genetically mutated strain of wheat (the husks were too strong to allow the seeds to fall without threshing) which would have died out if it had not become the basis of agriculture in the middle east way back when and started this whole civilisation thing with its imaginary boundaries and laws and what not ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Paulzric@aol.com [mailto:Paulzric@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:50 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Live Loop composing > > > In a message dated 5/21/2003 12:17:17 PM Eastern Standard > Time, loopersdelight@solostring.com writes: > > > I play better when I am in > > this state > > I play best in California, but Michigan will have to do. > > Ahhhahahhahhaaaa, get it? State...? Californ...fergetit. > Alas, why get stoned? Alas, getting stoned is lame. Alas, pot > makes people high? Why? Why do people get high? What's the > attraction? Day after day, alone on a hill, the man with a foolish > grin is keeping perfectly still, but nobody wants to know him, > > they can see that he's just a fool...but the fool on the > hill...sees the world spinning 'round... > > pot pot pot, why is pot so incredibly popular? Why is it illegal? > Why do so many musicians get high? Why can't I find PLAYERS > WHO DON'T GET HIGH, FOR FUCK'S SAKE??? > > So sorry, I just had to vent a little. > Peace. Welcome home! We LOVE YOU!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:13:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJBHp31997; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:11:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:11:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:10:57 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: LINE 6 VARIAX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <0Mvd8C.A.izH.I98y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the Variax is a Grand and is basically a cheap strat with their pickup and modeling electronics built in, it would seem to me that it would make more sense to buy the Roland VG88 for $700 and put it on your favorite guitar... OK, add another $200 for the pickup (I already have one installed) but then at least you have the guitar of your choice and can use it's traditional pickups if you choose to. My 2 cents, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:20:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJJFq00592; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:19:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:19:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521191857.94430.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: why pot before looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <397DEC28-8BBF-11D7-89E8-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5fcH6.A.1I.iE9y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's like the classic saying - I play better when I'm stoned ( so you think ), I drive better after a few drinks ( so you think ) - It's a little sad if you need an external substance for creativity. And this coming from a regular pot smoker. When I use to drink I would always get a few in before every gig - now that I don't drink I notice what a change my playing has taken if I compare the tapes from before to now - but if it helps you write Sgt. Pepper then do it I guess :) --- mark wrote: > > On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 11:50 AM, > Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > > > > > pot pot pot, why is pot so incredibly popular? Why > is it illegal? > > Why do so many musicians get high? Why can't I > find PLAYERS > > WHO DON'T GET HIGH, FOR FUCK'S SAKE??? > > > > I once smoked a bit before I practiced at home in my > studio to see what > the "buzz" was about. I did get it. It did allow a > quicker transition > from the more concrete thought of everyday life, to > the more fluid and > abstract thought needed for good music making. I > never did it again > though, as if I can relax and ease into it, I can > get there without it > more cheaply and without the chest pain. I also > don't like the > "stupid" feeling it gives me, and I've noticed that > the 2nd day after > smoking marijuana I'm very irritable. I rarely do > though, so it stands > out to me. > > psychedelics on the other hand... > > Mark Sottilaro > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:35:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJYMd02883; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:34:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:34:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:30:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3ECAD1C300000C8F@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030521191857.94430.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: why pot before looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4LJY6B02804 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bottom line, to each his own... Some things work for some people, while other things work for other people... whether it's the frame of mind, or the tools we use... peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:18:57 -0700 (PDT) >From: Squid Loop >Subject: Re: why pot before looping? >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >That's like the classic saying - I play better when >I'm stoned ( so you think ), I drive better after a >few drinks ( so you think ) - > >It's a little sad if you need an external substance >for creativity. And this coming from a regular pot >smoker. > >When I use to drink I would always get a few in before >every gig - now that I don't drink I notice what a >change my playing has taken if I compare the tapes >from before to now - but if it helps you write Sgt. >Pepper then do it I guess :) > > > > >--- mark wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 11:50 AM, >> Paulzric@aol.com wrote: >> >> > >> > pot pot pot, why is pot so incredibly popular? Why >> is it illegal? >> > Why do so many musicians get high? Why can't I >> find PLAYERS >> > WHO DON'T GET HIGH, FOR FUCK'S SAKE??? >> > >> >> I once smoked a bit before I practiced at home in my >> studio to see what >> the "buzz" was about. I did get it. It did allow a >> quicker transition >> from the more concrete thought of everyday life, to >> the more fluid and >> abstract thought needed for good music making. I >> never did it again >> though, as if I can relax and ease into it, I can >> get there without it >> more cheaply and without the chest pain. I also >> don't like the >> "stupid" feeling it gives me, and I've noticed that >> the 2nd day after >> smoking marijuana I'm very irritable. I rarely do >> though, so it stands >> out to me. >> >> psychedelics on the other hand... >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:37:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJVkH02540; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:31:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:31:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:30:59 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Loop composing MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <137A79A9.677D8016.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought Dylan's line was a metaphor for the disdain all must endure from the senseless onslaught of people's judgment. Kind of like my stoning stoners. I think that all stoners should read Isle of the Lotos Eaters by Tennyson and then write a report about it, and then have it compared to the same report written by brains that work, and then I think all those teen stoners who are doing SO WELL in high school (huhhh, he said "high") right now should line up head to head with some Korean students and have face-off in mathematics. How shamed they would be. The Koreans would kick their (and my) ass. I don't believe that they have much of a pot problem over there, but give us time to work on them, and they'll mellow out. They'll be like, yeah, sure, dudes, come on down, it's nice down here, dudes. And then the north peninsula would have all the rice and metropolitan real estate they'd ever need. ...man...dude, chill! Right? Recreational dabbling in the spirit world is disgraceful and dangerous. Just because it's available on a wide-scale doesn't mean the obvious. I'm definitely afraid of it all anymore. Stoned machine operators scare me. Stoned heavy artillery operators scare me, too. Stoned loopers...well, I guess that's not so bad, but I wish we could do a survey of stoner composers against non- and see what happens. Dope opens too many strange doors. BEWARE!!!! Man, I'm being preachy. Sorry. Really, I am. I need to tie a couple of lizards to my head and wander around in the desert. Jeez! That the human brain can synthesize more chemicals than are found in any pharmacy is evidence enough for me that all the drugs one would ever need is waiting to be cooked up right now behind the same very two eyes that are reading these words right now ;) But, Jonny's in the basement... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:41:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJbIL03351; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:37:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:37:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:36:57 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: state MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <731F97E0.06A4C781.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/21/2003 2:07:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, m.lameyer@verizon.net writes: > civilisation thing with its imaginary boundaries and laws > and what not ... BIG BROTHER ROCKS. BIG BROTHER IS SLEEPING WITH BIG SISTER. MAN, DEY GONNA HAVE BIG TWISTED BABIES! A LITTLE MORE PORN, A LITTLE MORE DRUGS, MAN THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:47:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJeUR03656; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:40:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c31fd1$1c433ba0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <12836EE6-8BB0-11D7-8F02-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Live Loop composing Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:42:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [129.44.184.234] at Wed, 21 May 2003 14:40:01 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stu - I know what you mean about having motifs and some fallback ideas for those "what will I do now moments." Ironically, recordings of my performances have uncovered the music I make while I'm totally baffled, confused and feeling absolutely uninspired often is the better stuff. The feeling I have about a performance while I'm onstage is only one impression, and not always a reliable one. I still prepare for shows with a few ideas in mind, but less so. But they become more conceptual and along the lines of Eno's "Oblique Strategies." I've come to trust, and strangely look forward to, the music I create when I feel lost confused and baffled about what I'm doing -- because that's when I end up in new places I would not have normally brought myself to. And that's refreshing to me. The trick for me is to "get out of my own way" which generally has to do with "letting go" not being so "directed" in what I do. Hence the name for my improv / ambient musical project: UNDO. Incidentally, getting stoned usually fucks up my performances. I seem to do better getting confused and baffled with a "clear" head, instead of being confused and baffled while I'm woolly-headed. Maybe I need to feel the adrenalin of fear. :-) David Kirkdorffer UNDO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Live Loop composing > > On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 11:03 am, Louie Angulo wrote: > > > do you go with preconceived musical ideas before > > you do a gig or do you start improvising with > > preconcieved techniques? > > For me, I have a series of 'hooks' that can get me into the mood when > playing live. These are pre-conceived ideas/melodies that are the > founding ingredients for an impro piece. However, none of these hooks > are ever played the same twice. The problem with total improv is > sometimes my head just does not work, and it is hard to gain > inspiration. This is especially hard when you have a bad sound, noisy > unappreciative audience or simply are having bad day.... > > Its similar to playing modern jazz, whereby you have a melody to base > the improvisations off of. > > If I am comfortable, suitably stoned (alas, I play better when I am in > this state) and am in good surroundings, then I can perform entire > concerts completely improvised.... but I can normally only do this at > home or at parties.... > > - Stu > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:47:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJjJM04288; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009c01c31fd1$c435ec40$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030521120853.008638b0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:47:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << what I know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap strat >> But.... Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; i.e. that there's a 50% cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in the software/hardware/development end (per the article on the Variax in Guitar Player). However, there are some nice axes available now in the approx. $500 price range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 which is really well-made for the price point. I also bought a close out of a Jackson DK-2S with the Sustainer for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and decked out for 4 big ones. 'Course, if it's a $149 item, that's another story. Regarsd, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > What bothers me about this though, is that the guitar itself, from what I > know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap strat, > and if I'm going to spend that kind of money for an instrument, > it better be a nice one! lol! -just my thoughts... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > So how much are this sweeties? > > > > > > > > louie.....they (GP) said street price will be about $999.00.....i was > >surprised by the very positive reviews on both accounts and the talk of > >expandability in the near future, ability to download new models (sounds) > >into the variax and directly connect to a puter for those of that > >bent.....michael > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:47:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJiW404152; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:47:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Live Loop composing From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <137A79A9.677D8016.007D6382@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will always hate drugs because to many great musicians have been lost because of them. Because I lost friends when I was a teenager to them. Because I watch people losing the ability to hold a conversion because of them. Because a large majority of the heaviest drug users at my college are all on anti depresents. The link is obvious. I pride myself in my alertness and therefore generally avoid them. But hey lifes a balance just don't push it too far. Create an imbalance in your body and u may spend the rest of your life trying to get it back to normal. geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:54:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJmBp04848; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:48:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:48:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c31fd2$350f6360$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030521175301.50401.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:50:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [129.44.184.234] at Wed, 21 May 2003 14:47:52 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <4bQfoC.A.JLB.vf9y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Feedback would be a function of speakers moving air enough to oscillating the strings and so on in a, um... well.... in a loop. So, yes. You can get feedback with this. Just turn it up! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Squid Loop" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > what about feedback - can you get feedback out of > these things? > > > --- David Beardsley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > > > > >this is an article found on H.C.Click here: LINE 6 > > >VARIAX this months GUITAR PLAYER featured > > >the variax.....hmmmm.....and i was wantin a new > > guitar > > >.....i think this was mentioned here before and the > > LD > > >reviewers were not that impressed (?).....any > > insights > > >.....SO SORRY FOR A GUITAR POST.....not > > really!.....:).....m > > > > Unimpressed. > > > > > > * David Beardsley > > * microtonal guitar > > * http://biink.com/db > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 15:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LJuXc06421; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:56:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:56:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030521195525.89253.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Stoned animals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <137A79A9.677D8016.007D6382@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8VdQwB.A.7gB.4m9y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chill out brother! I saw an interesting footage in the discovery channel a few months ago about animals getting stone for recreation as well as humans,it was the funniest thing i´ve ever seen, i was literaly on the floor laughing(sober by the way). It showed how cats chew on a plant(can´t remember the name of it)at a certain time of the year and it makes them feel very playful,gigglish and happy so they start doing weird things with their feet(could we call it glitching?) rolling on their backs, scratching their noses, etc.Then they showed monkeys getting high on rotten fermented fruts which contain plenty of alcohol.The interesting thing was that there were monkeys who got drunk heavily, others like to get drunk moderately and some didn´t like it at all.Then they showed dears who like to chew on hallucinogens they find on the fields,But the funniest thing in the world was how bees get drunk from fermentation and start fights but they are so well organized that they have their own bouncers who separate them! cheers Louie --- Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > I thought Dylan's line was a metaphor for the > disdain all must > endure from the senseless onslaught of people's > judgment. > Kind of like my stoning stoners. I think that all > stoners > should read Isle of the Lotos Eaters by Tennyson and > then > write a report about it, and then have it compared > to the same > report written by brains that work, and then I think > all those > teen stoners who are doing SO WELL in high school > (huhhh, he > said "high") right now should line up head to head > with some > Korean students and have face-off in mathematics. > How shamed > they would be. The Koreans would kick their (and my) > ass. > I don't believe that they have much of a pot problem > over > there, but give us time to work on them, and they'll > mellow > out. They'll be like, yeah, sure, dudes, come on > down, it's > nice down here, dudes. And then the north peninsula > would > have all the rice and metropolitan real estate > they'd ever > need. > > ...man...dude, chill! Right? > Recreational dabbling in the spirit world is > disgraceful and > dangerous. Just because it's available on a > wide-scale doesn't > mean the obvious. > > I'm definitely afraid of it all anymore. Stoned > machine operators scare me. Stoned heavy artillery > operators scare me, too. Stoned loopers...well, I > guess that's not so bad, but > I wish we could do a survey of stoner composers > against non- > and see what happens. Dope opens too many strange > doors. > BEWARE!!!! > > Man, I'm being preachy. Sorry. Really, I am. I need > to tie > a couple of lizards to my head and wander around in > the desert. > Jeez! > > That the human brain can synthesize more chemicals > than are > found in any pharmacy is evidence enough for me that > all the > drugs one would ever need is waiting to be cooked up > right now behind the same very two eyes that are > reading these words > right now ;) > But, Jonny's in the basement... > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 16:02:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LK14H08304; Wed, 21 May 2003 16:01:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:01:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:59:33 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Loop composing MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5A89DC8E.3D005997.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-1WQu.A.lAC.qr9y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/21/2003 2:47:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, geoff.smith15@btopenworld.com writes: > Create an imbalance in your body and u may spend the rest > of your life > trying to get it back to normal. Awesome! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 16:09:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LK8EY09457; Wed, 21 May 2003 16:08:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:08:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:04:16 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Stoned animals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000901c31fd4$28a47460$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030521195525.89253.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" > Chill out brother! > I saw an interesting footage in the discovery channel > a few months ago about animals getting stone for > recreation as well as humans,it was the funniest thing > i´ve ever seen, i was literaly on the floor > laughing(sober by the way). > It showed how cats chew on a plant(can´t remember the > name of it)at a certain time of the year and it makes > them feel very playful,gigglish and happy so they > start doing weird things with their feet(could we call > it glitching?) rolling on their backs, scratching > their noses, etc. Catnip. http://www.catnipcafe.com/catnip.html * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 16:24:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LKMP311105; Wed, 21 May 2003 16:22:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:22:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <397DEC28-8BBF-11D7-89E8-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:21:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2003 20:21:56.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[A00C2A00:01C31FD6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I never did it again > though, as if I can relax and ease into it, I can get there without it > more cheaply and without the chest pain. I also don't like the > "stupid" feeling it gives me, and I've noticed that the 2nd day after > smoking marijuana I'm very irritable. I rarely do though, so it stands > out to me. Unlike weed, hashish won't make you stupid, or feel like crap the next day. If you use a vapourizer, you won't get any smoke in your lungs, either. bIz ------------ www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ "The war isn't the war between the blacks and the whites, the liberals and the conservatives, or the Federation and the Romulans. It's between the clueful and the clueless." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 16:41:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LKebx12952; Wed, 21 May 2003 16:40:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:40:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <137A79A9.677D8016.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: Live Loop composing Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:40:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2003 20:40:13.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E21B0B0:01C31FD9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > teen stoners who are doing SO WELL in high school (huhhh, he > said "high") right now should line up head to head with some > Korean students and have face-off in mathematics I did some tracks for a popular korean hip hoper a couple of years ago. By far the sketchiest, most drugged out guy I've ever worked with. The friends who introduced us started asking me if he was over before they would come by my place... > I wish we could do a survey of stoner composers against non- > and see what happens. Dope opens too many strange doors. > BEWARE!!!! The word stoned. I don't think-it-a-mean what you think-it-a-mean. bIz ------------ www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ "The war isn't the war between the blacks and the whites, the liberals and the conservatives, or the Federation and the Romulans. It's between the clueful and the clueless." ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Live Loop composing > I thought Dylan's line was a metaphor for the disdain all must > endure from the senseless onslaught of people's judgment. > Kind of like my stoning stoners. I think that all stoners > should read Isle of the Lotos Eaters by Tennyson and then > write a report about it, and then have it compared to the same > report written by brains that work, and then I think all those > teen stoners who are doing SO WELL in high school (huhhh, he > said "high") right now should line up head to head with some > Korean students and have face-off in mathematics. How shamed > they would be. The Koreans would kick their (and my) ass. > I don't believe that they have much of a pot problem over > there, but give us time to work on them, and they'll mellow > out. They'll be like, yeah, sure, dudes, come on down, it's > nice down here, dudes. And then the north peninsula would > have all the rice and metropolitan real estate they'd ever > need. > > ...man...dude, chill! Right? > Recreational dabbling in the spirit world is disgraceful and > dangerous. Just because it's available on a wide-scale doesn't > mean the obvious. > > I'm definitely afraid of it all anymore. Stoned machine operators scare me. Stoned heavy artillery operators scare me, too. Stoned loopers...well, I guess that's not so bad, but > I wish we could do a survey of stoner composers against non- > and see what happens. Dope opens too many strange doors. > BEWARE!!!! > > Man, I'm being preachy. Sorry. Really, I am. I need to tie > a couple of lizards to my head and wander around in the desert. > Jeez! > > That the human brain can synthesize more chemicals than are > found in any pharmacy is evidence enough for me that all the > drugs one would ever need is waiting to be cooked up right now behind the same very two eyes that are reading these words > right now ;) > But, Jonny's in the basement... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 16:47:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LKj1Z13722; Wed, 21 May 2003 16:45:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:45:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:43:43 -0700 Subject: OT: the state of hawaii From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5A89DC8E.3D005997.007D6382@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <11DwS.A.XUD.2U-y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com another I.M.O. (in my opinion) to add to this spool of loops... the cosmic significance of bach's goldberg variations can be plainly seen in some states like hawaii. hawaii is a nice place to visit, but i wouldn't want to live there. and responsible adults should only operate dangerous machinery, like semi-trucks, in the state of illinois. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 17:05:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LL3Pu17017; Wed, 21 May 2003 17:03:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:03:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: OT: state Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:57:38 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c31fdb$9d8761a0$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <731F97E0.06A4C781.007D6382@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you missed my point, Big Brother is irrelevant. PLANTS ARE TAKING OVER THE WORLD USING HUMANS AS THE MEANS! That's right, our expansion and development is actually nothing more than one part of the PLANT MASTER PLAN! They enslave us, dope us, and make us spread their seed all over the world. And soon, they won't need us anymore ... We'd better pave over them before it's too late ... >8^[] Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Paulzric@aol.com [mailto:Paulzric@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: state > > > In a message dated 5/21/2003 2:07:11 PM Eastern Standard > Time, m.lameyer@verizon.net writes: > > > civilisation thing with its imaginary boundaries and laws > > and what not ... > > BIG BROTHER ROCKS. BIG BROTHER IS SLEEPING WITH BIG SISTER. > MAN, DEY GONNA HAVE BIG TWISTED BABIES! A LITTLE MORE PORN, A > LITTLE MORE DRUGS, MAN THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT > WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 17:21:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LLJr218753; Wed, 21 May 2003 17:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:19:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c31fde$c399e770$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <002501c31fdb$9d8761a0$500a230a@ws42554> Subject: Re: OT: state Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:20:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3718.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3718.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like someone read "The Botany Of Desire". http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375760393/qid=1053551950/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8916395-0386502?v=glance&s=books ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: RE: OT: state > I think you missed my point, Big Brother is irrelevant. PLANTS ARE TAKING > OVER THE WORLD USING HUMANS AS THE MEANS! That's right, our expansion and > development is actually nothing more than one part of the PLANT MASTER PLAN! > They enslave us, dope us, and make us spread their seed all over the world. > And soon, they won't need us anymore ... > > We'd better pave over them before it's too late ... > > >8^[] > > Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 17:28:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LLLF218967; Wed, 21 May 2003 17:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <002501c31fdb$9d8761a0$500a230a@ws42554> Subject: Re: OT: state Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:20:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2003 21:20:56.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDEBBA40:01C31FDE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think you missed my point, Big Brother is irrelevant. PLANTS ARE TAKING > OVER THE WORLD USING HUMANS AS THE MEANS! That's right, our expansion and > development is actually nothing more than one part of the PLANT MASTER PLAN! > They enslave us, dope us, and make us spread their seed all over the world. > And soon, they won't need us anymore ... > > We'd better pave over them before it's too late ... I have a better idea - let's burn them all, one by one... bIz ------------ www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ "I've noticed that the press tends to be quite accurate, except when they're writing on a subject I know something about." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: RE: OT: state > I think you missed my point, Big Brother is irrelevant. PLANTS ARE TAKING > OVER THE WORLD USING HUMANS AS THE MEANS! That's right, our expansion and > development is actually nothing more than one part of the PLANT MASTER PLAN! > They enslave us, dope us, and make us spread their seed all over the world. > And soon, they won't need us anymore ... > > We'd better pave over them before it's too late ... > > >8^[] > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paulzric@aol.com [mailto:Paulzric@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:37 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: OT: state > > > > > > In a message dated 5/21/2003 2:07:11 PM Eastern Standard > > Time, m.lameyer@verizon.net writes: > > > > > civilisation thing with its imaginary boundaries and laws > > > and what not ... > > > > BIG BROTHER ROCKS. BIG BROTHER IS SLEEPING WITH BIG SISTER. > > MAN, DEY GONNA HAVE BIG TWISTED BABIES! A LITTLE MORE PORN, A > > LITTLE MORE DRUGS, MAN THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT > > WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 17:31:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LLTM520319; Wed, 21 May 2003 17:29:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:29:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: OT: state Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:23:37 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c31fdf$3ed06a40$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000801c31fde$c399e770$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_kA-HC.A.98E.o--y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually no! I read the whole genetically mutated strain of wheat thing in a Time/Life book sometime ago, and then I took drugs ... it all became clear suddenly ... ;-) Scary ... Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: doug @ jump/cut [mailto:looper@jumpcut.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:20 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: state > > > Sounds like someone read "The Botany Of Desire". > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375760393/qid=1 > 053551950/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8916395-0386502?v=glance&s=books > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael LaMeyer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:57 PM > Subject: RE: OT: state > > > > I think you missed my point, Big Brother is irrelevant. > PLANTS ARE TAKING > > OVER THE WORLD USING HUMANS AS THE MEANS! That's right, > our expansion and > > development is actually nothing more than one part of the > PLANT MASTER > PLAN! > > They enslave us, dope us, and make us spread their seed all over the > world. > > And soon, they won't need us anymore ... > > > > We'd better pave over them before it's too late ... > > > > >8^[] > > > > Mike > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 17:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LLWHe20909; Wed, 21 May 2003 17:32:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:32:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: OT: state Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:26:03 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c31fdf$958fe770$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1HIyGD.A.1DF.8A_y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's completely silly! There's FAR more market opportunities my way ... > -----Original Message----- > From: sserendipity [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: state > > > I think you missed my point, Big Brother is irrelevant. > PLANTS ARE TAKING > > OVER THE WORLD USING HUMANS AS THE MEANS! That's right, > our expansion and > > development is actually nothing more than one part of the > PLANT MASTER > PLAN! > > They enslave us, dope us, and make us spread their seed all over the > world. > > And soon, they won't need us anymore ... > > > > We'd better pave over them before it's too late ... I have a better idea - let's burn them all, one by one... bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 18:33:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LMWT128502; Wed, 21 May 2003 18:32:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:32:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:32:08 +0200 Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <397DEC28-8BBF-11D7-89E8-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <0ECE458C-8BDC-11D7-ADA9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <0Ef-nC.A.B9G.x5_y-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The reason why I smoke is because it works. I don't need much, but when I do smoke, the music comes flooding into my brain. I have an orchestra which plays 24hrs a day inside my head. A lot of the time, it is in the distance and all that I can hear is the slight echo of its melodies. However, just a small placebo of grass later, and I am hearing the orchestra playing at full blast. When in this state, the orchestra plays through my fingers and feet. Sometimes the inspiration becomes too much that it almost drives me insane! :) I don't smoke that much, or that frequently. I've never been a drug abuser, but consider myself a shamen of sorts. I'm a user... not an abuser. If I lived in ideal surroundings (which would include space, peace, light and lack of stress) then I am 100% sure that I could achieve this state naturally. However, living in my box of an apartment with a road just outside my window, and wondering how the hell I am going to eat this time next week... a little bit of donated grass makes me forget all of that crap and allows me to float away into the music. I think 100% of my recordings have been under the influence of grass.... It works for me. It does not work for others. For example, my girlfriend does not smoke - she feels nothing from it. I don't take psychoactives or drink that much... the effects are foreign to my natural state. Different people, different strokes. - Stu :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 19:49:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LNld605956; Wed, 21 May 2003 19:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:47:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e401c31ff3$53b9b7e0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030521190007.52786.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: "Stoners" and Otherwise Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:47:22 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, if it's not for you, it's not for you, eh? Otherwise... :) I tend to have one big rule about this: While I'm playing I'd like to be generally conscious of what I'm doing - and in the process of a fugue area of a piece, it's quite all right to get lost in it for a bit (even better when your listeners go there with you!). Perhaps it's like being a good guide, to bring people back to the End of the Ride, perhaps changed or not. That's THEIR choice. And if they choose to get stoned and enjoy my work, that's their choice too. If it's a party situation, or not, I don't want to disappoint, dig? So in general I try to be less high than my listeners. Later on, I'll relax. I remember a show Steve Lawson had in 2001 with another fellow, an American (sorry, can't remember his name despite being painfully straight as hell) who at one point smelled the sweet familiar scent - which in retrospect might have been a fox, whose pee smells an awful lot like skunk weed (enough that I've suspected that some folks put fox 'essence' on the stuff they sell to add a false 'value for money' element - yes, I *hate* the phrase) - but nonetheless, he asked something like "Is that grass?" and said if someone were they should go outside. The venue would've been a bit odd, as it's the main chambers of a church. In retrospect I think it was a fox letting loose outside, as I've smelled more fox pee in the air than dope in the interim. There's a great couple of interviews in this month's Uncut with Pink Floyd's constituents. As the magazine decided to commemorate "Dark Side of the Moon"'s 30th anniversary by calling it "the ultimate stoner classic" on the cover - sounds like the idea of someone who never touched grass, frankly - it perhaps seemed necessary for Mason, Waters, Gilmour, and Wright to comment on not only the aspects of being stoned and listening to the album, but a few aspects of "playing under the influence" as it were. Richard Wright: "I have no recollection of him [Waters] or me smoking joints as we recorded Dark Side. We were both smoking cigarettes. I did, of course, smoke dope, but it doesn't agree with me. I've had terrible times on it. I had a nightmare once where I did have something in Paris. I knew I had to go on stage in a couple of hours time and I got too stoned. I had a total freak-out. If I had nothing to do, literaly nothing, then I could have a joint and relax. If I had to do anything - play music, go anywhere, drive a car - I wuld just get paranoid. Dark Side certainly wasn't recorded or written under a haze of drugs. I couldn't have made that record if I was stoned out on dope." This is echoed in the statements of the other members of the band. The magazine's interviewers held on to the "stoner classic" stuff like a dog with a leather chew-toy, asking David Gilmour, "Roger, Rick and Nick have no recollection of any great degree of drug consumption around the making of Dark Side of the Moon. Is this your recollection, too?" He replied, "To be really honest with you, I can't remember. All of us, for pretty well most of our career, have been very, very professional in the studio and I don't think that any drugs have played a significant role in any of it. It's true that Roger and Nick were the drinkers, and Rick and I would have a puff on a reffer once in a while. It's nice to listen to the album that way [stoned]. It's an accidental byproduct, really. There's a lot going on, lots of stuff semi-hidden, all sorts of layers... it's not that simple to get it. The more you concentrate, the better you listen and the more you'll get out of it. The classic stoner thing of a reefer and a pair of headphones does, I'm sure, get you an awful lot out of it." It's evident that even these greats of the so-called Psychedelic era have fairly different impressions of the 'stoner classic' thing. I've played at some medium-scale things where just about everyone was tripping, and I usually got asked to play material as a kind of psychedelic lullaby of sorts, during everyone's "peaking" (the most vulnerable time of course), and while things were winding down and folks were crawling into their respective tents or sleeping bags etc. I felt honored (and still do) that the organizers of the gigs trusted me to musically cradle the crowd. But I digress. My last gig in the US was at a large Pasadena party, where just about everyone was on [Casteneda-style shudder] Mescaline. I wasn't, as [a] my stomach couldn't handle it, and [b] I was too busy setting up my equipment. Ever tried to plug stuff all together when it's changing color? No thanks to that one. In this regard I'd adopt a loose rule that, while playing, I'm straighter than the folks I'm playing for. I have a lot less trouble being the non-stoned one in a stoned crowd, if I'm performing for them, then I do being stoned in the midst of non-stoned people. It's not my idea of entertainment, and kind of reminds me of the bring-you-down bit at the end of "The Groove Tube" called "The Dealers". White socks. If you haven't seen it, see it. And get this month's Uncut if you want to read other stuff about the rest. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:08:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M07jt09127; Wed, 21 May 2003 20:07:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:07:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015001c31ff6$2297dea0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030521191857.94430.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:55:16 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Squid Loop" said.. > That's like the classic saying - I play better when > I'm stoned ( so you think ), I drive better after a > few drinks ( so you think ) - > > It's a little sad if you need an external substance > for creativity. And this coming from a regular pot > smoker. > > When I use to drink I would always get a few in before > every gig - now that I don't drink I notice what a > change my playing has taken if I compare the tapes > from before to now - but if it helps you write Sgt. > Pepper then do it I guess :) I'm reminded of the bit Bill Cosby (before he sold Pudding Pops and everything else) did about Cocaine (a brain-destroyer if there ever was one!), where someone tried to get him to have some, saying, "It enhances your personality!" "But what if you're an asshole?" was Bill's question. Bingo, some substances enhance some things, and muddy others. The effect is different from person to person, since everybody's personality is also different. I don't believe that any drug - that includes alcohol, O Anti-Pot Folks - makes you creative. If you ain't creative, you'll probably be even LESS so under the influence. If you are creative, you MIGHT tend to be more creative, but not necessarily so. Even the "fun element" changes from person to person. Your mileage therefore will indeed vary. :) Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:08:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M07ia09124; Wed, 21 May 2003 20:07:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:07:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015101c31ff6$23582160$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030521195525.89253.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Stoned animals Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 01:04:28 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Louie Angulo" > Chill out brother! > I saw an interesting footage in the discovery channel > a few months ago about animals getting stone for > recreation as well as humans,it was the funniest thing > i´ve ever seen, i was literaly on the floor > laughing(sober by the way). > It showed how cats chew on a plant(can´t remember the > name of it)at a certain time of the year and it makes > them feel very playful,gigglish and happy so they > start doing weird things with their feet(could we call > it glitching?) rolling on their backs, scratching > their noses, etc.Then they showed monkeys getting high > on rotten fermented fruts which contain plenty of > alcohol.The interesting thing was that there were > monkeys who got drunk heavily, others like to get > drunk moderately and some didn´t like it at all.Then > they showed dears who like to chew on hallucinogens > they find on the fields,But the funniest thing in the > world was how bees get drunk from fermentation and > start fights but they are so well organized that they > have their own bouncers who separate them! > cheers > Louie I recommend "Animals are Beautiful People", a Jamie Uys film (the guy who did "The Gods Must Be Crazy"). There's a great sequence with trees with rotting fruit on them in the Kalahari (I think), and the animals from elephants to monkeys go wild. The hangover scene might be staged, but it's great anyway. Where I grew up in NJ we had a large back yard, with a huge pyrochantha bush row along it. Beautiful orange berries, inedible by us of course, and for the most part untouched by the birds except during droughts. And then there was that time when there was a late frost in April, and somehow the berries fermented on the bushes. The birds went wild, scarfing up these berries like crazy. And they got drunker than one can imagine birds being. I was late to school because we were laughing our asses off looking out the window at the birds swaying in the wind, like Charlie Chaplin's performance in "The Cure" (no, he never played with Robert Smith!). The next day it was very quiet to say the least. :) Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:18:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M07nK09132; Wed, 21 May 2003 20:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:07:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015201c31ff6$24218be0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <002501c31fdb$9d8761a0$500a230a@ws42554> Subject: Re: OT: state Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 01:07:28 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Read "A Child of Destiny" by Norman Spinrad. There's this fantastic section of the book where the heroine is on a planet famed for its psychotropic forests the size of Earth, where the pollen on its own puts you in a state where the plants themselves develop a symbiotic relationship with the people who get trapped in the forests. Great stuff. > I think you missed my point, Big Brother is irrelevant. PLANTS ARE TAKING > OVER THE WORLD USING HUMANS AS THE MEANS! That's right, our expansion and > development is actually nothing more than one part of the PLANT MASTER PLAN! > They enslave us, dope us, and make us spread their seed all over the world. > And soon, they won't need us anymore ... > > We'd better pave over them before it's too late ... > > >8^[] > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paulzric@aol.com [mailto:Paulzric@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:37 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: OT: state > > > > > > In a message dated 5/21/2003 2:07:11 PM Eastern Standard > > Time, m.lameyer@verizon.net writes: > > > > > civilisation thing with its imaginary boundaries and laws > > > and what not ... > > > > BIG BROTHER ROCKS. BIG BROTHER IS SLEEPING WITH BIG SISTER. > > MAN, DEY GONNA HAVE BIG TWISTED BABIES! A LITTLE MORE PORN, A > > LITTLE MORE DRUGS, MAN THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT > > WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:19:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M0JAB10352; Wed, 21 May 2003 20:19:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:19:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <74.2e6c3dea.2bfd716c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:18:52 EDT Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_74.2e6c3dea.2bfd716c_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <-6V3k.A.ehC.1dBz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_74.2e6c3dea.2bfd716c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/21/03 1:53:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tentacle_joe@yahoo.com writes: > can you get feedback out of > these things? > > they say yes --part1_74.2e6c3dea.2bfd716c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/21/0= 3 1:53:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tentacle_joe@yahoo.com writes:


can you get feedback out of
these things?



they say yes --part1_74.2e6c3dea.2bfd716c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:40:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M0e6s12459; Wed, 21 May 2003 20:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:40:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulzric@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.96f3799.2bfd7651@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:39:45 EDT Subject: Re: Live Loop composing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e0.96f3799.2bfd7651_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e0.96f3799.2bfd7651_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/21/2003 3:41:12 PM Central Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: > By > far the sketchiest, most drugged out guy I've ever worked with. A reliable sample of 1. I'm convinced! --part1_1e0.96f3799.2bfd7651_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/21/2003 3:41:12 PM Central Daylig= ht Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:

By
far the sketchiest, most drugged out guy I've ever worked with.

A reliable sample of 1. I'm convinced! --part1_1e0.96f3799.2bfd7651_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 21:17:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M1H3G17322; Wed, 21 May 2003 21:17:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:17:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulzric@aol.com Message-ID: <16f.1eeea384.2bfd7efe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:16:46 EDT Subject: Re: why pot before looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16f.1eeea384.2bfd7efe_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16f.1eeea384.2bfd7efe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only drug users defend using drugs. All drugs are a cop-out. It may take one years to figure it out, but I have never watched a drug user who continues to use drugs do anything with his/her life. I have only watched countless, and I mean countless, musicians who spent (and still spend) all of their energy buying kine bud, getting high morning, noon, and night, forget gig dates, forget phonenumbers, forget key changes, forget their ass, hook the outputs out of the inputs, forget how to route a VST wrapper, play their basses drenched in reverb and delays thinking it sounds cool, stop after setting up a TON of equipment to go get stoned and come back and 'noid out in front of their gear, choke when speaking to the audience...the list goes on. All of my former band members use(d) pot in excess and will defend it more loquaciously than anything I have read here are still only successes in their own personal hall of fame. As a matter of fact, my former drummer has a horrendous smokers hack and he aint smokin' cigarettes. All pot users will voice their opinions in favor of pot exactly like the denizens of the Isle of the Lotos Eaters. It's the same predictable, self-serving, stoner bullshit that I have heard for years. I'm through writing about pot. It's a trap. Give it up if you use it and rejoin your human mind. The psychedelic thing is really something else. Psylocibin fungus on your neurons. Big deal. So you join the fungus phylum for a while and realize "wow, this is a planet." Yep. It's a planet. Okay, now what? Cocaine? Pure craziness and a capitalists wet dream. Heroin. More madness. LSD? Okay, so maybe--maybe--if you're lucky, you get some real LSD and pitch a no-hitter. So what. It isn't you. It is you on the drug. Once is cool, but like anything, you get hooked and can't perform without it and you are a great big fake. Musicians who can only perform high: Any repeated behavior results ina refined performance. So if you are a musician who repeats behaviors while stoned, then you will learn and only be able to reliably replicate these behaviors while stoned. It is a trap that the body has created for itself. The only way out is to quit and relearn. That's it. Disagree all you want, but it's all in order to vehemently defend a crutch. Recreational drug use is for cheaters. Now, I highly doubt anyone reading this is a shaman or some other bonafide mystic, otherwise you'd not be bothering with internets and mailing lists and musical equipment, but rather be preparing a medicine bag with animal bones or divining water with a stick or whatever a true shaman does. I believe that the sacred substances of this planet belong to them and to them alone. All these kids driving around in Mustangs, smoking pot, going to class and staring vacant eyed at me (yes, I'm a teacher and I see firsthand just how fucked up people are who use drugs, how self-deluded and seduced by their peer structure and support system and the whole hunter/gathering routine) are plugging up the psychic ether for the rest of earnest people who would rather meditate and get to know the wonders of the universe without a barrage of confusion and sloppy intention. They can't retain and can't learn. I have not had one kid who supported pot do better than ones who do not. Period. The pot users always give themselves away, at least in my classes. It is so easy to manipulate a discussion in order to discover who favors pot. It's hilarious. And the ones who obviously have never seen it or are still so innocent that they haven't tried simply do naturally better at everything: their memory works, they are present, on time, alert, etc. I'm through. I can't convince anyone to stop. All I can say is there is no valid rationalization an active drug user can offer in defense of his or her self- destructive, mind-altering blackhole of a habit. None. John Lilly, Terrence McKenna, Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Poe, Hunter S., that freak Crowley, or the countelss musicians who have used drugs could have done so much more without. The body degenerates all by itself. A few doors opened by drug use is fine. Sustained and persistent use is a trap. I am telling you, read Isle... Now those who have bothered to read this entire message will hopefully discern a distinction between active, defensive drug users and those who have dived deep into the thickest of it, seen far-out (man) and wildly neurotic/exotic places and have come back only to realize..."fuck...that was cool but it can't last." Because, my good brothers, one has to come to realize that any drug dependency is a trap. Dependency is a trap. The best kind, perhaps...but a trap nonetheless. Amen. --part1_16f.1eeea384.2bfd7efe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only drug users defend using drugs. All drugs are a co= p-out. It may take one years
to figure it out, but I have never watched a drug user who continues to use=20= drugs do
anything with his/her life. I have only watched countless, and I mean countl= ess,
musicians who spent (and still spend) all of their energy buying kine bud, g= etting
high morning, noon, and night, forget gig dates, forget phonenumbers, forget= key
changes, forget their ass, hook the outputs out of the inputs, forget how to= route a
VST wrapper, play their basses drenched in reverb and delays thinking it sou= nds
cool, stop after setting up a TON of equipment to go get stoned and come bac= k
and 'noid out in front of their gear, choke when speaking to the audience...= the list
goes on. All of my former band members use(d) pot in excess and will defend=20= it
more loquaciously than anything I have read here are still only successes in= their
own personal hall of fame. As a matter of fact, my former drummer has a horr= endous
smokers hack and he aint smokin' cigarettes. All pot users will voice their=20= opinions
in favor of pot exactly like the denizens of the Isle of the Lotos Eaters. I= t's the same
predictable, self-serving, stoner bullshit that I have heard for years. I'm=20= through
writing about pot. It's a trap. Give it up if you use it and rejoin your hum= an mind.
The psychedelic thing is really something else. Psylocibin fungus on your ne= urons.
Big deal. So you join the fungus phylum for a while and realize "wow, this i= s a planet." Yep. It's a planet. Okay, now what?
Cocaine? Pure craziness and a capitalists wet dream.
Heroin. More madness.
LSD? Okay, so maybe--maybe--if you're lucky, you get some real LSD and pitch=
a no-hitter. So what. It isn't you. It is you on the drug. Once is cool, but= like anything,
you get hooked and can't perform without it and you are a great big fake.
Musicians who can only perform high:
Any repeated behavior results ina  refined performance. So if you are a= musician
who repeats behaviors while stoned, then you will learn and only be able to=20= reliably
replicate these behaviors while stoned. It is a trap that the body has creat= ed for
itself. The only way out is to quit and relearn. That's it. Disagree all you= want, but it's all in order to vehemently defend a crutch.
Recreational drug use is for cheaters.
Now, I highly doubt anyone reading this is a shaman or some other bonafide m= ystic,
otherwise you'd not be bothering with internets and mailing lists and musica= l
equipment, but rather be preparing a medicine bag with animal bones or divin= ing water
with a stick or whatever a true shaman does. I believe that the sacred subst= ances
of this planet belong to them and to them alone. All these kids driving arou= nd in
Mustangs, smoking pot, going to class and staring vacant eyed at me (yes, I'= m a
teacher and I see firsthand just how fucked up people are who use drugs, how=
self-deluded and seduced by their peer structure and support system and the=20= whole
hunter/gathering routine) are plugging up the psychic ether for the rest of=20= earnest
people who would rather meditate and get to know the wonders of the universe=
without a barrage of confusion and sloppy intention. They can't retain and c= an't learn.
I have not had one kid who supported pot do better than ones who do not. Per= iod. The pot users always give themselves away, at least in my classes. It i= s so easy to manipulate a discussion in order to discover who favors pot. It= 's hilarious. And the ones who obviously have never seen it or are still so=20= innocent that they haven't tried simply do naturally better at everything: t= heir memory works, they are present, on time, alert, etc.
I'm through. I can't convince anyone to stop. All I can say is there is no valid rationalization an active drug user can offer in defense of his or her= self-
destructive, mind-altering blackhole of a habit. None. John Lilly, Terrence=20= McKenna, Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Poe, Hunter S., that freak Crowley, o= r the countelss
musicians who have used drugs could have done so much more without. The body=
degenerates all by itself. A few doors opened by drug use is fine. Sustained= and
persistent use is a trap. I am telling you, read Isle...

Now those who have bothered to read this entire message will hopefully disce= rn a
distinction between active, defensive drug users and those who have dived de= ep
into the thickest of it, seen far-out (man) and wildly neurotic/exotic place= s and have come back only to realize..."fuck...that was cool but it can't la= st." Because, my
good brothers, one has to come to realize that any drug dependency is a trap= .
Dependency is a trap. The best kind, perhaps...but a trap nonetheless.
Amen. --part1_16f.1eeea384.2bfd7efe_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 21:38:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M1YjL18788; Wed, 21 May 2003 21:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c32002$4770bce0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <16f.1eeea384.2bfd7efe@aol.com> Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:34:12 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Such black-and-white, knee-jerk idiocy, and in Rich Text too! I'm reminded of a woman who insisted that only pedophiles use the Internet. That makes just as much sense. I suppose you also think that "Just Say No" works, too. The tip-off is the grouping in of marjiuana with cocaine/crack and heroin, as DRUGS. Hint: An "extreme" is not a "norm". How about ALCOHOL, bub? It kills more people that I'll bet you've ever given yourself a chance to think about. More people abuse themselves with alcohol at home, on the job, and elsewhere, than most are willing to admit. Especially when they're on a soapbox the size of which you showed us below. ...'one years'? Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! Paulzric@aol.com knee-jerked: Only drug users defend using drugs. All drugs are a cop-out. It may take one years to figure it out, but I have never watched a drug user who continues to use drugs do anything with his/her life. I have only watched countless, and I mean countless, musicians who spent (and still spend) all of their energy buying kine bud, getting high morning, noon, and night, forget gig dates, forget phonenumbers, forget key changes, forget their ass, hook the outputs out of the inputs, forget how to route a VST wrapper, play their basses drenched in reverb and delays thinking it sounds cool, stop after setting up a TON of equipment to go get stoned and come back and 'noid out in front of their gear, choke when speaking to the audience...the list goes on. All of my former band members use(d) pot in excess and will defend it more loquaciously than anything I have read here are still only successes in their own personal hall of fame. As a matter of fact, my former drummer has a horrendous smokers hack and he aint smokin' cigarettes. All pot users will voice their opinions in favor of pot exactly like the denizens of the Isle of the Lotos Eaters. It's the same predictable, self-serving, stoner bullshit that I have heard for years. I'm through writing about pot. It's a trap. Give it up if you use it and rejoin your human mind. The psychedelic thing is really something else. Psylocibin fungus on your neurons. Big deal. So you join the fungus phylum for a while and realize "wow, this is a planet." Yep. It's a planet. Okay, now what? Cocaine? Pure craziness and a capitalists wet dream. Heroin. More madness. LSD? Okay, so maybe--maybe--if you're lucky, you get some real LSD and pitch a no-hitter. So what. It isn't you. It is you on the drug. Once is cool, but like anything, you get hooked and can't perform without it and you are a great big fake. Musicians who can only perform high: Any repeated behavior results ina refined performance. So if you are a musician who repeats behaviors while stoned, then you will learn and only be able to reliably replicate these behaviors while stoned. It is a trap that the body has created for itself. The only way out is to quit and relearn. That's it. Disagree all you want, but it's all in order to vehemently defend a crutch. Recreational drug use is for cheaters. Now, I highly doubt anyone reading this is a shaman or some other bonafide mystic, otherwise you'd not be bothering with internets and mailing lists and musical equipment, but rather be preparing a medicine bag with animal bones or divining water with a stick or whatever a true shaman does. I believe that the sacred substances of this planet belong to them and to them alone. All these kids driving around in Mustangs, smoking pot, going to class and staring vacant eyed at me (yes, I'm a teacher and I see firsthand just how fucked up people are who use drugs, how self-deluded and seduced by their peer structure and support system and the whole hunter/gathering routine) are plugging up the psychic ether for the rest of earnest people who would rather meditate and get to know the wonders of the universe without a barrage of confusion and sloppy intention. They can't retain and can't learn. I have not had one kid who supported pot do better than ones who do not. Period. The pot users always give themselves away, at least in my classes. It is so easy to manipulate a discussion in order to discover who favors pot. It's hilarious. And the ones who obviously have never seen it or are still so innocent that they haven't tried simply do naturally better at everything: their memory works, they are present, on time, alert, etc. I'm through. I can't convince anyone to stop. All I can say is there is no valid rationalization an active drug user can offer in defense of his or her self- destructive, mind-altering blackhole of a habit. None. John Lilly, Terrence McKenna, Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Poe, Hunter S., that freak Crowley, or the countelss musicians who have used drugs could have done so much more without. The body degenerates all by itself. A few doors opened by drug use is fine. Sustained and persistent use is a trap. I am telling you, read Isle... Now those who have bothered to read this entire message will hopefully discern a distinction between active, defensive drug users and those who have dived deep into the thickest of it, seen far-out (man) and wildly neurotic/exotic places and have come back only to realize..."fuck...that was cool but it can't last." Because, my good brothers, one has to come to realize that any drug dependency is a trap. Dependency is a trap. The best kind, perhaps...but a trap nonetheless. Amen. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 21:42:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M1feC19611; Wed, 21 May 2003 21:41:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:41:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:44:17 -0700 Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002001c32002$4770bce0$0201a8c0@eluk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're all going to be in SOOOO MUCH trouble when Kim sees this thread :) I recommend we end it now and go out for munchies... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 22:06:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M25pG23057; Wed, 21 May 2003 22:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:05:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:04:46 -0700 Subject: Re: why pot before looping? From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16f.1eeea384.2bfd7efe@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3136388686_901406_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <8H9pZD.A.1nF.1BDz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3136388686_901406_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit How marvelous it must feel to be so right. Can we get back to the important subject at hand now...how do ya'll compose/perform in a live setting? It's a subject that will be more interesting to everyone else on the list and less interesting to Mr. Ashcroft. From: Paulzric@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:16:46 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:16:51 -0400 Only drug users defend using drugs. All drugs are a cop-out. It may take one years to figure it out, but I have never watched a drug user who continues to use drugs do anything with his/her life. I have only watched countless, and I mean countless, musicians who spent (and still spend) all of their energy buying kine bud, getting high morning, noon, and night, forget gig dates, forget phonenumbers, forget key changes, forget their ass, hook the outputs out of the inputs, forget how to route a VST wrapper, play their basses drenched in reverb and delays thinking it sounds cool, stop after setting up a TON of equipment to go get stoned and come back and 'noid out in front of their gear, choke when speaking to the audience...the list goes on. All of my former band members use(d) pot in excess and will defend it more loquaciously than anything I have read here are still only successes in their own personal hall of fame. As a matter of fact, my former drummer has a horrendous smokers hack and he aint smokin' cigarettes. All pot users will voice their opinions in favor of pot exactly like the denizens of the Isle of the Lotos Eaters. It's the same predictable, self-serving, stoner bullshit that I have heard for years. I'm through writing about pot. It's a trap. Give it up if you use it and rejoin your human mind. The psychedelic thing is really something else. Psylocibin fungus on your neurons. Big deal. So you join the fungus phylum for a while and realize "wow, this is a planet." Yep. It's a planet. Okay, now what? Cocaine? Pure craziness and a capitalists wet dream. Heroin. More madness. LSD? Okay, so maybe--maybe--if you're lucky, you get some real LSD and pitch a no-hitter. So what. It isn't you. It is you on the drug. Once is cool, but like anything, you get hooked and can't perform without it and you are a great big fake. Musicians who can only perform high: Any repeated behavior results ina refined performance. So if you are a musician who repeats behaviors while stoned, then you will learn and only be able to reliably replicate these behaviors while stoned. It is a trap that the body has created for itself. The only way out is to quit and relearn. That's it. Disagree all you want, but it's all in order to vehemently defend a crutch. Recreational drug use is for cheaters. Now, I highly doubt anyone reading this is a shaman or some other bonafide mystic, otherwise you'd not be bothering with internets and mailing lists and musical equipment, but rather be preparing a medicine bag with animal bones or divining water with a stick or whatever a true shaman does. I believe that the sacred substances of this planet belong to them and to them alone. All these kids driving around in Mustangs, smoking pot, going to class and staring vacant eyed at me (yes, I'm a teacher and I see firsthand just how fucked up people are who use drugs, how self-deluded and seduced by their peer structure and support system and the whole hunter/gathering routine) are plugging up the psychic ether for the rest of earnest people who would rather meditate and get to know the wonders of the universe without a barrage of confusion and sloppy intention. They can't retain and can't learn. I have not had one kid who supported pot do better than ones who do not. Period. The pot users always give themselves away, at least in my classes. It is so easy to manipulate a discussion in order to discover who favors pot. It's hilarious. And the ones who obviously have never seen it or are still so innocent that they haven't tried simply do naturally better at everything: their memory works, they are present, on time, alert, etc. I'm through. I can't convince anyone to stop. All I can say is there is no valid rationalization an active drug user can offer in defense of his or her self- destructive, mind-altering blackhole of a habit. None. John Lilly, Terrence McKenna, Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Poe, Hunter S., that freak Crowley, or the countelss musicians who have used drugs could have done so much more without. The body degenerates all by itself. A few doors opened by drug use is fine. Sustained and persistent use is a trap. I am telling you, read Isle... Now those who have bothered to read this entire message will hopefully discern a distinction between active, defensive drug users and those who have dived deep into the thickest of it, seen far-out (man) and wildly neurotic/exotic places and have come back only to realize..."fuck...that was cool but it can't last." Because, my good brothers, one has to come to realize that any drug dependency is a trap. Dependency is a trap. The best kind, perhaps...but a trap nonetheless. Amen. --MS_Mac_OE_3136388686_901406_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: why pot before looping? How marvelous it must feel to be so right.

Can we get back to the important subject at hand now...how do ya'll compose= /perform in a live setting? It's a subject that will be more interesting to = everyone else on the list and less interesting to Mr. Ashcroft.

From: Paulzric@aol.com
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:16:46 EDT
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: why pot before looping?
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:16:51 -0400


Only drug users defend using = drugs. All drugs are a cop-out. It may take one years
to figure it out, but I have never watched a drug user who continues to use= drugs do
anything with his/her life. I have only watched countless, and I mean count= less,
musicians who spent (and still spend) all of their energy buying kine bud, = getting
high morning, noon, and night, forget gig dates, forget phonenumbers, forge= t key
changes, forget their ass, hook the outputs out of the inputs, forget how t= o route a
VST wrapper, play their basses drenched in reverb and delays thinking it so= unds
cool, stop after setting up a TON of equipment to go get stoned and come ba= ck
and 'noid out in front of their gear, choke when speaking to the audience..= .the list
goes on. All of my former band members use(d) pot in excess and will defend= it
more loquaciously than anything I have read here are still only successes i= n their
own personal hall of fame. As a matter of fact, my former drummer has a hor= rendous
smokers hack and he aint smokin' cigarettes. All pot users will voice their= opinions
in favor of pot exactly like the denizens of the Isle of the Lotos Eaters. = It's the same
predictable, self-serving, stoner bullshit that I have heard for years. I'm= through
writing about pot. It's a trap. Give it up if you use it and rejoin your hu= man mind.
The psychedelic thing is really something else. Psylocibin fungus on your n= eurons.
Big deal. So you join the fungus phylum for a while and realize "wow, = this is a planet." Yep. It's a planet. Okay, now what?
Cocaine? Pure craziness and a capitalists wet dream.
Heroin. More madness.
LSD? Okay, so maybe--maybe--if you're lucky, you get some real LSD and pitc= h
a no-hitter. So what. It isn't you. It is you on the drug. Once is cool, bu= t like anything,
you get hooked and can't perform without it and you are a great big fake. <= BR>
Musicians who can only perform high:
Any repeated behavior results ina  refined performance. So if you are = a musician
who repeats behaviors while stoned, then you will learn and only be able to= reliably
replicate these behaviors while stoned. It is a trap that the body has crea= ted for
itself. The only way out is to quit and relearn. That's it. Disagree all yo= u want, but it's all in order to vehemently defend a crutch.
Recreational drug use is for cheaters.
Now, I highly doubt anyone reading this is a shaman or some other bonafide = mystic,
otherwise you'd not be bothering with internets and mailing lists and music= al
equipment, but rather be preparing a medicine bag with animal bones or divi= ning water
with a stick or whatever a true shaman does. I believe that the sacred subs= tances
of this planet belong to them and to them alone. All these kids driving aro= und in
Mustangs, smoking pot, going to class and staring vacant eyed at me (yes, I= 'm a
teacher and I see firsthand just how fucked up people are who use drugs, ho= w
self-deluded and seduced by their peer structure and support system and the= whole
hunter/gathering routine) are plugging up the psychic ether for the rest of= earnest
people who would rather meditate and get to know the wonders of the univers= e
without a barrage of confusion and sloppy intention. They can't retain and = can't learn.
I have not had one kid who supported pot do better than ones who do not. Pe= riod. The pot users always give themselves away, at least in my classes. It = is so easy to manipulate a discussion in order to discover who favors pot. I= t's hilarious. And the ones who obviously have never seen it or are still so= innocent that they haven't tried simply do naturally better at everything: = their memory works, they are present, on time, alert, etc.
I'm through. I can't convince anyone to stop. All I can say is there is no<= BR> valid rationalization an active drug user can offer in defense of his or he= r self-
destructive, mind-altering blackhole of a habit. None. John Lilly, Terrence= McKenna, Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Poe, Hunter S., that freak Crowley, = or the countelss
musicians who have used drugs could have done so much more without. The bod= y
degenerates all by itself. A few doors opened by drug use is fine. Sustaine= d and
persistent use is a trap. I am telling you, read Isle...

Now those who have bothered to read this entire message will hopefully disc= ern a
distinction between active, defensive drug users and those who have dived d= eep
into the thickest of it, seen far-out (man) and wildly neurotic/exotic plac= es and have come back only to realize..."fuck...that was cool but it ca= n't last." Because, my
good brothers, one has to come to realize that any drug dependency is a tra= p.
Dependency is a trap. The best kind, perhaps...but a trap nonetheless.
Amen.

--MS_Mac_OE_3136388686_901406_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 23:23:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M3NGm32487; Wed, 21 May 2003 23:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c32011$37d143e0$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <16f.1eeea384.2bfd7efe@aol.com> Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:21:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C31FDE.EC4D5E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <-_68dD.A.N7H.ZKEz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C31FDE.EC4D5E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think i saw jesse ray nailing a doobie behind the sip and park! he had = a large hat on so im not total sure. no wait the kid also had a 4 string = zon! i did see jesse chewing tobaco once though.=20 jg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paulzric@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:16 PM Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Only drug users defend using drugs. All drugs are a cop-out. It may = take one years=20 to figure it out, but I have never watched a drug user who continues = to use drugs do anything with his/her life. I have only watched countless, and I mean = countless,=20 musicians who spent (and still spend) all of their energy buying kine = bud, getting high morning, noon, and night, forget gig dates, forget phonenumbers, = forget key changes, forget their ass, hook the outputs out of the inputs, forget = how to route a=20 VST wrapper, play their basses drenched in reverb and delays thinking = it sounds cool, stop after setting up a TON of equipment to go get stoned and = come back and 'noid out in front of their gear, choke when speaking to the = audience...the list goes on. All of my former band members use(d) pot in excess and will = defend it more loquaciously than anything I have read here are still only = successes in their own personal hall of fame. As a matter of fact, my former drummer has = a horrendous smokers hack and he aint smokin' cigarettes. All pot users will voice = their opinions in favor of pot exactly like the denizens of the Isle of the Lotos = Eaters. It's the same predictable, self-serving, stoner bullshit that I have heard for = years. I'm through writing about pot. It's a trap. Give it up if you use it and rejoin = your human mind. The psychedelic thing is really something else. Psylocibin fungus on = your neurons. Big deal. So you join the fungus phylum for a while and realize "wow, = this is a planet." Yep. It's a planet. Okay, now what?=20 Cocaine? Pure craziness and a capitalists wet dream. Heroin. More madness. LSD? Okay, so maybe--maybe--if you're lucky, you get some real LSD and = pitch a no-hitter. So what. It isn't you. It is you on the drug. Once is = cool, but like anything, you get hooked and can't perform without it and you are a great big = fake.=20 Musicians who can only perform high: Any repeated behavior results ina refined performance. So if you are = a musician=20 who repeats behaviors while stoned, then you will learn and only be = able to reliably replicate these behaviors while stoned. It is a trap that the body has = created for=20 itself. The only way out is to quit and relearn. That's it. Disagree = all you want, but it's all in order to vehemently defend a crutch. Recreational drug use is for cheaters.=20 Now, I highly doubt anyone reading this is a shaman or some other = bonafide mystic,=20 otherwise you'd not be bothering with internets and mailing lists and = musical equipment, but rather be preparing a medicine bag with animal bones or = divining water with a stick or whatever a true shaman does. I believe that the sacred = substances of this planet belong to them and to them alone. All these kids = driving around in=20 Mustangs, smoking pot, going to class and staring vacant eyed at me = (yes, I'm a=20 teacher and I see firsthand just how fucked up people are who use = drugs, how self-deluded and seduced by their peer structure and support system = and the whole hunter/gathering routine) are plugging up the psychic ether for the = rest of earnest people who would rather meditate and get to know the wonders of the = universe without a barrage of confusion and sloppy intention. They can't retain = and can't learn. I have not had one kid who supported pot do better than ones who do = not. Period. The pot users always give themselves away, at least in my = classes. It is so easy to manipulate a discussion in order to discover = who favors pot. It's hilarious. And the ones who obviously have never = seen it or are still so innocent that they haven't tried simply do = naturally better at everything: their memory works, they are present, on = time, alert, etc.=20 I'm through. I can't convince anyone to stop. All I can say is there = is no valid rationalization an active drug user can offer in defense of his = or her self- destructive, mind-altering blackhole of a habit. None. John Lilly, = Terrence McKenna, Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Poe, Hunter S., that = freak Crowley, or the countelss musicians who have used drugs could have done so much more without. = The body degenerates all by itself. A few doors opened by drug use is fine. = Sustained and persistent use is a trap. I am telling you, read Isle...=20 Now those who have bothered to read this entire message will hopefully = discern a=20 distinction between active, defensive drug users and those who have = dived deep=20 into the thickest of it, seen far-out (man) and wildly neurotic/exotic = places and have come back only to realize..."fuck...that was cool but it = can't last." Because, my=20 good brothers, one has to come to realize that any drug dependency is = a trap. Dependency is a trap. The best kind, perhaps...but a trap nonetheless. Amen. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C31FDE.EC4D5E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i think i saw jesse ray nailing a = doobie behind the=20 sip and park! he had a large hat on so im not total sure. no wait the = kid also=20 had a 4 string zon! i did see jesse chewing tobaco once though. =
 
jg
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paulzric@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 7:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: why pot before=20 looping?

Only drug users defend using drugs. All drugs are = a=20 cop-out. It may take one years
to figure it out, but I have never = watched=20 a drug user who continues to use drugs do
anything with his/her = life. I=20 have only watched countless, and I mean countless,
musicians who = spent=20 (and still spend) all of their energy buying kine bud, getting
high = morning, noon, and night, forget gig dates, forget phonenumbers, = forget=20 key
changes, forget their ass, hook the outputs out of the inputs, = forget=20 how to route a
VST wrapper, play their basses drenched in reverb = and=20 delays thinking it sounds
cool, stop after setting up a TON of = equipment to=20 go get stoned and come back
and 'noid out in front of their gear, = choke=20 when speaking to the audience...the list
goes on. All of my former = band=20 members use(d) pot in excess and will defend it
more loquaciously = than=20 anything I have read here are still only successes in their
own = personal=20 hall of fame. As a matter of fact, my former drummer has a=20 horrendous
smokers hack and he aint smokin' cigarettes. All pot = users will=20 voice their opinions
in favor of pot exactly like the denizens of = the Isle=20 of the Lotos Eaters. It's the same
predictable, self-serving, = stoner=20 bullshit that I have heard for years. I'm through
writing about = pot. It's a=20 trap. Give it up if you use it and rejoin your human mind.
The = psychedelic=20 thing is really something else. Psylocibin fungus on your = neurons.
Big=20 deal. So you join the fungus phylum for a while and realize "wow, this = is a=20 planet." Yep. It's a planet. Okay, now what?
Cocaine? Pure = craziness and a=20 capitalists wet dream.
Heroin. More madness.
LSD? Okay, so=20 maybe--maybe--if you're lucky, you get some real LSD and pitch
a = no-hitter.=20 So what. It isn't you. It is you on the drug. Once is cool, but like=20 anything,
you get hooked and can't perform without it and you are a = great=20 big fake.

Musicians who can only perform high:
Any repeated = behavior results ina  refined performance. So if you are a = musician=20
who repeats behaviors while stoned, then you will learn and only = be able=20 to reliably
replicate these behaviors while stoned. It is a trap = that the=20 body has created for
itself. The only way out is to quit and = relearn.=20 That's it. Disagree all you want, but it's all in order to vehemently = defend a=20 crutch.
Recreational drug use is for cheaters.
Now, I highly = doubt=20 anyone reading this is a shaman or some other bonafide mystic, =
otherwise=20 you'd not be bothering with internets and mailing lists and=20 musical
equipment, but rather be preparing a medicine bag with = animal bones=20 or divining water
with a stick or whatever a true shaman does. I = believe=20 that the sacred substances
of this planet belong to them and to = them alone.=20 All these kids driving around in
Mustangs, smoking pot, going to = class and=20 staring vacant eyed at me (yes, I'm a
teacher and I see firsthand = just how=20 fucked up people are who use drugs, how
self-deluded and seduced by = their=20 peer structure and support system and the whole
hunter/gathering = routine)=20 are plugging up the psychic ether for the rest of earnest
people = who would=20 rather meditate and get to know the wonders of the universe
without = a=20 barrage of confusion and sloppy intention. They can't retain and can't = learn.
I have not had one kid who supported pot do better than ones = who do=20 not. Period. The pot users always give themselves away, at least in my = classes. It is so easy to manipulate a discussion in order to discover = who=20 favors pot. It's hilarious. And the ones who obviously have never seen = it or=20 are still so innocent that they haven't tried simply do naturally = better at=20 everything: their memory works, they are present, on time, alert, etc. =
I'm=20 through. I can't convince anyone to stop. All I can say is there is=20 no
valid rationalization an active drug user can offer in defense = of his or=20 her self-
destructive, mind-altering blackhole of a habit. None. = John=20 Lilly, Terrence McKenna, Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Poe, Hunter S., = that=20 freak Crowley, or the countelss
musicians who have used drugs could = have=20 done so much more without. The body
degenerates all by itself. A = few doors=20 opened by drug use is fine. Sustained and
persistent use is a trap. = I am=20 telling you, read Isle...

Now those who have bothered to read = this=20 entire message will hopefully discern a
distinction between = active,=20 defensive drug users and those who have dived deep
into the = thickest of=20 it, seen far-out (man) and wildly neurotic/exotic places and have come = back=20 only to realize..."fuck...that was cool but it can't last." Because, = my=20
good brothers, one has to come to realize that any drug dependency = is a=20 trap.
Dependency is a trap. The best kind, perhaps...but a trap=20 nonetheless.
Amen. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C31FDE.EC4D5E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 00:41:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M4f2308197; Thu, 22 May 2003 00:41:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:41:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: Looping stuff (was RE: why pot before looping?) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:35:09 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c3201b$88619c10$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool! Looping! K ... So, everybody share a looping technique or recipe. Mmmm, recipe. Even the simplest, dingiest one .. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of those. C'mon, it's cool .. So, one thing I really like to do is set the feedback of my repeater to 0%, take an arppegio and play alternate intervals of any given arppegio every other bar, varying the progression slightly over time. Hanging on 1st, 5th(or flat5, if you're that kind ..), and M7th/8th and then 2nd, 4th and m7th (trilled) is nummy ... I like just arbitrarily picking two different collections of intevals, finding a feel, and then after a bit, changing one thing at a time every cycle .. *hand cupped to ear, like a puppy* Mike -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why pot before looping? How marvelous it must feel to be so right. Can we get back to the important subject at hand now...how do ya'll compose/perform in a live setting? It's a subject that will be more interesting to everyone else on the list and less interesting to Mr. Ashcroft. From: Paulzric@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:16:46 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:16:51 -0400 Only drug users defend using drugs. All drugs are a cop-out. It may take one years to figure it out, but I have never watched a drug user who continues to use drugs do anything with his/her life. I have only watched countless, and I mean countless, musicians who spent (and still spend) all of their energy buying kine bud, getting high morning, noon, and night, forget gig dates, forget phonenumbers, forget key changes, forget their ass, hook the outputs out of the inputs, forget how to route a VST wrapper, play their basses drenched in reverb and delays thinking it sounds cool, stop after setting up a TON of equipment to go get stoned and come back and 'noid out in front of their gear, choke when speaking to the audience...the list goes on. All of my former band members use(d) pot in excess and will defend it more loquaciously than anything I have read here are still only successes in their own personal hall of fame. As a matter of fact, my former drummer has a horrendous smokers hack and he aint smokin' cigarettes. All pot users will voice their opinions in favor of pot exactly like the denizens of the Isle of the Lotos Eaters. It's the same predictable, self-serving, stoner bullshit that I have heard for years. I'm through writing about pot. It's a trap. Give it up if you use it and rejoin your human mind. The psychedelic thing is really something else. Psylocibin fungus on your neurons. Big deal. So you join the fungus phylum for a while and realize "wow, this is a planet." Yep. It's a planet. Okay, now what? Cocaine? Pure craziness and a capitalists wet dream. Heroin. More madness. LSD? Okay, so maybe--maybe--if you're lucky, you get some real LSD and pitch a no-hitter. So what. It isn't you. It is you on the drug. Once is cool, but like anything, you get hooked and can't perform without it and you are a great big fake. Musicians who can only perform high: Any repeated behavior results ina refined performance. So if you are a musician who repeats behaviors while stoned, then you will learn and only be able to reliably replicate these behaviors while stoned. It is a trap that the body has created for itself. The only way out is to quit and relearn. That's it. Disagree all you want, but it's all in order to vehemently defend a crutch. Recreational drug use is for cheaters. Now, I highly doubt anyone reading this is a shaman or some other bonafide mystic, otherwise you'd not be bothering with internets and mailing lists and musical equipment, but rather be preparing a medicine bag with animal bones or divining water with a stick or whatever a true shaman does. I believe that the sacred substances of this planet belong to them and to them alone. All these kids driving around in Mustangs, smoking pot, going to class and staring vacant eyed at me (yes, I'm a teacher and I see firsthand just how fucked up people are who use drugs, how self-deluded and seduced by their peer structure and support system and the whole hunter/gathering routine) are plugging up the psychic ether for the rest of earnest people who would rather meditate and get to know the wonders of the universe without a barrage of confusion and sloppy intention. They can't retain and can't learn. I have not had one kid who supported pot do better than ones who do not. Period. The pot users always give themselves away, at least in my classes. It is so easy to manipulate a discussion in order to discover who favors pot. It's hilarious. And the ones who obviously have never seen it or are still so innocent that they haven't tried simply do naturally better at everything: their memory works, they are present, on time, alert, etc. I'm through. I can't convince anyone to stop. All I can say is there is no valid rationalization an active drug user can offer in defense of his or her self- destructive, mind-altering blackhole of a habit. None. John Lilly, Terrence McKenna, Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Poe, Hunter S., that freak Crowley, or the countelss musicians who have used drugs could have done so much more without. The body degenerates all by itself. A few doors opened by drug use is fine. Sustained and persistent use is a trap. I am telling you, read Isle... Now those who have bothered to read this entire message will hopefully discern a distinction between active, defensive drug users and those who have dived deep into the thickest of it, seen far-out (man) and wildly neurotic/exotic places and have come back only to realize..."fuck...that was cool but it can't last." Because, my good brothers, one has to come to realize that any drug dependency is a trap. Dependency is a trap. The best kind, perhaps...but a trap nonetheless. Amen. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 00:49:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M4nXq09000; Thu, 22 May 2003 00:49:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:49:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: OT: Daniel Lanois Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:43:45 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c3201c$bae133c0$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001b01c3201b$88619c10$6401a8c0@ws42554> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, so I dropped some bit on the paypal for LD, so I'll post one more OT post .. Saw Daniel Lanois tonight .. no looping ;-) .. but it was such a heartful show .. and Brian Blade is a ****ing awesome drummer ... whoa ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 01:40:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M5eOj14717; Thu, 22 May 2003 01:40:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 01:40:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030521234608.00b8c4a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:46:08 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX In-Reply-To: <009c01c31fd1$c435ec40$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20030521120853.008638b0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. -Considering that it has a bit of trouble staying in tune, and most of the hardware on it is relatively low quality, -to me at least, that impacts the general quality of the instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat copy, according to the line-6 rep. -or at least the model that he'd demoed with some of the employees at the store where I teach, was. This is why I'm concerned. -With issues like that, the modeling just doesn't justify spending that kind of money to me. -That's all... -just my opinion, and perhaps they will, or have already upgraded the guitar. -It's certainly possible. I'll still try one for myself... Smiles, Cara At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: ><< what I know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap >strat >> > >But.... > >Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; i.e. that there's a 50% >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in the software/hardware/development >end (per the article on the Variax in Guitar Player). > >However, there are some nice axes available now in the approx. $500 price >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 which is really well-made for the >price point. I also bought a close out of a Jackson DK-2S with the Sustainer >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and decked out for 4 big ones. 'Course, >if it's a $149 item, that's another story. > >Regarsd, Paul >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Goddess" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > >> What bothers me about this though, is that the guitar itself, from what >I >> know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap strat, >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of money for an instrument, >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just my thoughts... >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara >> >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: >> > >> > >> > So how much are this sweeties? >> > >> > >> > >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price will be about $999.00.....i was >> >surprised by the very positive reviews on both accounts and the talk of >> >expandability in the near future, ability to download new models (sounds) >> >into the variax and directly connect to a puter for those of that >> >bent.....michael >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 01:51:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M5ouo15976; Thu, 22 May 2003 01:50:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 01:50:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:50:38 +0200 Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-113510873 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16f.1eeea384.2bfd7efe@aol.com> Message-Id: <509BC1DE-8C19-11D7-9C0A-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-113510873 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 03:16 am, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > No offense, but you obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about, and it is obvious that you have never tried any narcotic substance in your life. You are labeling all pot smokers as being hopeless drug addicts in the same way that a tee-totaller would describe all drinkers as being child-beating alcoholics. I would argue my case with you further, but I believe that you are so withdrawn into your little world that it would be trying to explain to a blind man what it is like to see. - Stu --Apple-Mail-2-113510873 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 03:16 am, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: Arial< No offense, but you obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about, and it is obvious that you have never tried any narcotic substance in your life. You are labeling all pot smokers as being hopeless drug addicts in the same way that a tee-totaller would describe all drinkers as being child-beating alcoholics. I would argue my case with you further, but I believe that you are so withdrawn into your little world that it would be trying to explain to a blind man what it is like to see. - Stu --Apple-Mail-2-113510873-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 01:58:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M5wEH16859; Thu, 22 May 2003 01:58:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 01:58:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c32026$df238940$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <002201c3201c$bae133c0$6401a8c0@ws42554> Subject: Re: Daniel Lanois Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:56:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oooo tell me more ml. yes i saw blade with frisell in austin, he was amazing indeed! never have seen dl but he's one of my fav producers. i have his 1st 2 solo cds and love them. i wondering if they will come to denver co? thanks for the heads up, more details please : ) jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael LaMeyer To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: OT: Daniel Lanois > Ok, so I dropped some bit on the paypal for LD, so I'll post one more OT > post .. > > Saw Daniel Lanois tonight .. no looping ;-) .. but it was such a heartful > show .. and Brian Blade is a ****ing awesome drummer ... whoa ... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 02:06:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M66R718854; Thu, 22 May 2003 02:06:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:06:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522060617.68312.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:06:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Subject: Re: why pot before looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16f.1eeea384.2bfd7efe@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Children using drugs, and using them irresponsibly, isn't a good example to use when arguing against pot. Especially when many teachers are for pumping their students full of pharmaceuticals, which is utter hypocrisy. I don't smoke cigarettes, don't drink, and I enjoy weed and a few psychedelics. I started as an adult at the age of 18. I don't think it makes a person more creative, but allows them to focus on being creative. Stress, pressure, lack of sex, etc... can all lead to a very unhappy camper. All it does it allow a person to forget everything else and focus on the music, or a movie, or whatever they want to do. Just because something is used as a drug for recreation doesn't mean it's dangerous, but the opposite can also be true, I will not deny that. But to call everything you don't agree with a crutch is quite absurd, especially when many people that use it can handle a family and a job. For some people, lying is a drug, for others conformity is a drug (or crutch). Feeling safe and doing what you're told doesn't mean you're a better person than someone who uses an illicit substance, and thus you're going to be more successful and find happiness easier. Everyone does not have the same set of values. Not everyone has to be a perfect student, go to college, get married, have kids, consume and die. Everyone should live their life the way they want to, unless you happen to transgress on other's rights. You seem to be high on life, you don't see me trying to make "high on life" illegal. Now I know that's kinda silly, but you do understand the point. Some stoner visiting a hash bar for fun and living at home at the age of 25 is no worse than some Trekkie visiting conventions and living at home until they are 25. Not only that, stereotypes are played out. Let folks choose for themselves. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 02:06:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M66CX18806; Thu, 22 May 2003 02:06:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:06:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522060537.3159.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Looping stuff (was RE: why pot before looping?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c3201b$88619c10$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hear you but unfortunaltely nobody has been able to clean up the world (or america) and never will.Since the history of mankind stimulants are used in some form.I ve settled for a good cold beer. And it sure feels good:-) piece and love hippies L.a > > > > Only drug users defend using drugs. All drugs are a > cop-out. It may take one > years > to figure it out, but I have never watched a drug > user who continues to use > drugs do > anything with his/her life. I have only watched > countless, and I mean > countless, > musicians who spent (and still spend) all of their > energy buying kine bud, > getting > high morning, noon, and night, forget gig dates, > forget phonenumbers, forget > key > changes, forget their ass, hook the outputs out of > the inputs, forget how to > route a > VST wrapper, play their basses drenched in reverb > and delays thinking it > sounds > cool, stop after setting up a TON of equipment to go > get stoned and come > back > and 'noid out in front of their gear, choke when > speaking to the > audience...the list > goes on. All of my former band members use(d) pot in > excess and will defend > it > more loquaciously than anything I have read here are > still only successes in > their > own personal hall of fame. As a matter of fact, my > former drummer has a > horrendous > smokers hack and he aint smokin' cigarettes. All pot > users will voice their > opinions > in favor of pot exactly like the denizens of the > Isle of the Lotos Eaters. > It's the same > predictable, self-serving, stoner bullshit that I > have heard for years. I'm > through > writing about pot. It's a trap. Give it up if you > use it and rejoin your > human mind. > The psychedelic thing is really something else. > Psylocibin fungus on your > neurons. > Big deal. So you join the fungus phylum for a while > and realize "wow, this > is a planet." Yep. It's a planet. Okay, now what? > Cocaine? Pure craziness and a capitalists wet dream. > Heroin. More madness. > LSD? Okay, so maybe--maybe--if you're lucky, you get > some real LSD and pitch > a no-hitter. So what. It isn't you. It is you on the > drug. Once is cool, but > like anything, > you get hooked and can't perform without it and you > are a great big fake. > > Musicians who can only perform high: > Any repeated behavior results ina refined > performance. So if you are a > musician > who repeats behaviors while stoned, then you will > learn and only be able to > reliably > replicate these behaviors while stoned. It is a trap > that the body has > created for > itself. The only way out is to quit and relearn. > That's it. Disagree all you > want, but it's all in order to vehemently defend a > crutch. > Recreational drug use is for cheaters. > Now, I highly doubt anyone reading this is a shaman > or some other bonafide > mystic, > otherwise you'd not be bothering with internets and > mailing lists and > musical > equipment, but rather be preparing a medicine bag > with animal bones or > divining water > with a stick or whatever a true shaman does. I > believe that the sacred > substances > of this planet belong to them and to them alone. All > these kids driving > around in > Mustangs, smoking pot, going to class and staring > vacant eyed at me (yes, > I'm a > teacher and I see firsthand just how fucked up > people are who use drugs, how > self-deluded and seduced by their peer structure and > support system and the > whole > hunter/gathering routine) are plugging up the > psychic ether for the rest of > earnest > people who would rather meditate and get to know the > wonders of the universe > without a barrage of confusion and sloppy intention. > They can't retain and > can't learn. > I have not had one kid who supported pot do better > than ones who do not. > Period. The pot users always give themselves away, > at least in my classes. > It is so easy to manipulate a discussion in order to > discover who favors > pot. It's hilarious. And the ones who obviously have > never seen it or are > still so innocent that they haven't tried simply do > naturally better at > everything: their memory works, they are present, on > time, alert, etc. > I'm through. I can't convince anyone to stop. All I > can say is there is no > valid rationalization an active drug user can offer > in defense of his or her > self- > destructive, mind-altering blackhole of a habit. > None. John Lilly, Terrence > McKenna, Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Poe, Hunter > S., that freak Crowley, > or the countelss > musicians who have used drugs could have done so > much more without. The body > degenerates all by itself. A few doors opened by > drug use is fine. Sustained > and > persistent use is a trap. I am telling you, read > Isle... > > Now those who have bothered to read this entire > message will hopefully > discern a > distinction between active, defensive drug users and > those who have dived > deep > === message truncated === ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 02:09:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M68gM19201; Thu, 22 May 2003 02:08:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:08:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:08:20 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: why pot before looping? In-reply-to: <509BC1DE-8C19-11D7-9C0A-0003934B4712@solostring.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This whole anti drug thing is creeping me out. One of my good friends shoots up almost every time I see him. He's a diabetic. My wife comes from a long line of women who suffer from severe depression, and takes a drug that allows her to have a normal life. Are these people drug addicts? I have a cup of tea each morning and this time of year, a day doesn't go by where I don't take an allergy medication a few times a week. Anyway, my feeling is that if you're looking for escapism you'll find it. Maybe in cannabis maybe in LSD. Maybe video games. Maybe TV. My mom seems to me to be wasting her life shopping. Some people use some or all of these things as replacements for living, some use them to augment their life. It's a subtle distinction, but a very important one, in my own opinion. To me, drugs aren't the evil, they're the symptom of a bigger issue. Having a beer every now and then isn't different than smoking a joint from time to time. You can waste your life in so many ways, as many as you can live it. I've done a number of drugs. Had some amazing experiences, and some boring ones. Don't waste time condemning the drug. There are plenty of people wasting their lives in front of a Zenith which seems to be legal and encouraged by our government. All things in moderation. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 02:12:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M6C0O19620; Thu, 22 May 2003 02:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:12:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522061144.67961.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:11:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <74.2e6c3dea.2bfd716c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater users, Is there another way to get the pitch shift and tempo on the repeater back to normal quickly instead of rolling the tempo knob back to 120? I sometimes turn the repeater on and my loops start way out of pitch. Anybody having this problem as well? Louie ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 02:14:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M6Dm519795; Thu, 22 May 2003 02:13:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:13:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522061330.63182.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:13:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: why pot before looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5N6tQ.A._0E.QqGz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You´ve said it! Louie All things in > moderation. > > Mark Sottilaro > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 02:16:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M6G9a19992; Thu, 22 May 2003 02:16:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:16:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ECC6A0A.DD2AB0A5@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:11:22 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... References: <20030521085424.32395.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie Angulo wrote: > I think through the > information Andre freely gives out at the end it only > increases his web traffic and i think André will sell > a lot of records through the world anyway! Well you're absolutely right on the first part: somewhere over 15,000 seperate sound file downloads in the last 16 months or so, and about 70-100 unique visitors per day, with the EDP analysis pages being the main draw. Selling a lot of records, unfortunately, is still in the realm of the hypothetical - in the same period that 15,000 sound files were downloaded, about 30 CDs were sold through my website. Even someone with math as bad as mine can figure out that's not a very good deal for me. Web traffic in particular, and noteriety in general, in and of themselves, do NOT mean that I'm generating income. About a year and a half ago I decided to see what I could do with the Echoplex if I really rolled up my sleeves and tried to dive deeply into it. That meant making the EDP my primary musical focus, and I spent most all of my time and energy on Echoplex-related projects - practicing, recording, writing the analysis pages, and now mixing/mastering/coordinating the release of a new CD. The downside is that, while a few thousand folks are reading my web site and listening to my music, I've had to start working a day job again for the first time in almost four years. Tonight I spent five and a half hours in a market research call center, phoning strangers to ask them questions about how well their door frames insulate against outside weather, and what kind of light bulbs they use in their front porch. Now, that's a better fate than assembling Nike shoes for $2.00 an hour, or crawling out of rubble in Baghdad right now. But when I think about all the traffic going through my site, and how little of an impact it has on my actual day-to-day existence, it makes me wonder how much time I may have wasted by focusing so intensely on the EDP, as opposed to more bread-and-butter things that might actually lead to my generating some income from the music-related skills I've been cultivating for about 25 years. The fact of the matter is that there's a hell of a lot I can do musically that has nothing to do with live looping, all of which is at least as financially viable as giving away free mp3's to untold thousands of listeners. If looping doesn't bring in some bread, my guitar works just as well without an EDP in the signal flow, and it feels a hell of a lot better on my hand than the telephone reciever I've just spent five and a half hours holding up to my ear. So, I'm very grateful that people are interested in what I'm doing, I'm happy to have made a positive impact for some folks, and I'm particularly gratified that Matthias and Kim's genius is finally getting a little bit of the attention it's deserved for so long. When Normalized is released, perhaps the "free" exposure I've built up will finally pay off, literally. That's ultimately up to the listeners out there, and whether or not my latest work will be worth ten-odd dollars to them. And in the interest of visualization, maybe next time I'll register "Opportunist Music Dot Com" as a web address. Anyway... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 02:26:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M6Pb220683; Thu, 22 May 2003 02:25:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:25:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522062519.28168.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Stoned animals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000901c31fd4$28a47460$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes Catnip thats how is called David thank you! > > > http://www.catnipcafe.com/catnip.html > > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 02:50:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M6oLc22220; Thu, 22 May 2003 02:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Mistsojorn@aol.com Message-ID: <189.19bd33db.2bfdcd16@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:49:58 EDT Subject: PROMO: 5/25: The Infusion, Greyroom Brekthrough To: electronicaworld@yahoogroups.com, emerge@egroups.com, phillygrooves@onelist.com, phillyshows@yahoogroups.com, phiba-improv@topica.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello For one night in Philadelphia: Sunday, 5/25. 8pm. The Infusion, and Greyroom Breakthrough, et al. What happens when a musician from North Africa adds electronics to his acoustic guitar and develops an interest in free improv and the avantgarde of Europe? What if he teamed up with two "rock" musicians of similar interests from the US and Europe? The answer is THE INFUSION. Camel Zekri is a descendant of generations of Algerian musicians. Olivier Paquotte is a bassist who lives in Nancy, France. He uses his instruments for their sonic capabilities, with feedback, distortion and slide he gives it a wide range, sometimes like a guitar, sometimes like a drum. And Ron Anderson - NYC-based founder of The Molecules and PAK (toured the U.S. with Ruins, also played w/ Elliott Sharp, Marc Ribot, Otomo Yoshihide, Yamamoto of Boredoms) - also gets many unusual sounds from the instruments he plays - trumpet through echo, drum machine in real time, and electric guitar blending with the other two musicians. Opening will be local space sounds/ambient experimenters Greyroom Breakthrough. Plus, the Highwire Gallery in Old City will lend some of their resident improvisers for the evening. At THE ROTUNDA: 4014 WALNUT, Philadelphia http://www.foundationarts.org 215-573-3234. EVENTS ARE FREE FOR ALL AGES. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 03:02:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M71uv24731; Thu, 22 May 2003 03:01:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:01:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522070140.85016.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3ECC6A0A.DD2AB0A5@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, What i meant is you will end up selling a lot more records this way through the world than not exposing it at all on the internet,maybe not in the short run but in the long run i am sure it will pay off.As we recorded our first independent CD we gave away over 200 free CDs and somewhere along the line we thought this is not working.But somehow and somewhere the promotion payed off. Now it has sold more than 10,000 (an Italian clothing store luckily buying 8,000 at once)and the rest at concerts.The music i am talking about here is more mass oriented of course.But all of our money has gone to pay for taxes,second CD expenses,production etc.So we really haven´t seen much of it for us. I´ve produced our second CD and it hasn´t been anything but hard work and headaches and i often ask myself is it worth all the trouble? I think what you are doing here is something quite new and innovative so it is going to take perhaps more time to catch on. I also couldn´t tell you how big is your target group but from loopers delight i would imagine not that big.On the other hand perhaps you haven´t notice how you are already influencing other guitarrists.I also wouldn´t say you are just giving it all away,see it as an investment.But gathering info. about buyers like you are doing is a good way to start a marketing strategie for your present and future projects so hang in there man. Louie --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > Louie Angulo wrote: > > > I think through the > > information Andre freely gives out at the end it > only > > increases his web traffic and i think André will > sell > > a lot of records through the world anyway! > > Well you're absolutely right on the first part: > somewhere over 15,000 > seperate sound file downloads in the last 16 months > or so, and about > 70-100 unique visitors per day, with the EDP > analysis pages being the > main draw. > > Selling a lot of records, unfortunately, is still in > the realm of the > hypothetical - in the same period that 15,000 sound > files were > downloaded, about 30 CDs were sold through my > website. Even someone > with math as bad as mine can figure out that's not a > very good deal for me. > > Web traffic in particular, and noteriety in general, > in and of > themselves, do NOT mean that I'm generating income. > > About a year and a half ago I decided to see what I > could do with the > Echoplex if I really rolled up my sleeves and tried > to dive deeply into > it. That meant making the EDP my primary musical > focus, and I spent > most all of my time and energy on Echoplex-related > projects - > practicing, recording, writing the analysis pages, > and now > mixing/mastering/coordinating the release of a new > CD. > > The downside is that, while a few thousand folks are > reading my web site > and listening to my music, I've had to start working > a day job again for > the first time in almost four years. Tonight I > spent five and a half > hours in a market research call center, phoning > strangers to ask them > questions about how well their door frames insulate > against outside > weather, and what kind of light bulbs they use in > their front porch. > > Now, that's a better fate than assembling Nike shoes > for $2.00 an hour, > or crawling out of rubble in Baghdad right now. But > when I think about > all the traffic going through my site, and how > little of an impact it > has on my actual day-to-day existence, it makes me > wonder how much time > I may have wasted by focusing so intensely on the > EDP, as opposed to > more bread-and-butter things that might actually > lead to my generating > some income from the music-related skills I've been > cultivating for > about 25 years. > > The fact of the matter is that there's a hell of a > lot I can do > musically that has nothing to do with live looping, > all of which is at > least as financially viable as giving away free > mp3's to untold > thousands of listeners. If looping doesn't bring in > some bread, my > guitar works just as well without an EDP in the > signal flow, and it > feels a hell of a lot better on my hand than the > telephone reciever I've > just spent five and a half hours holding up to my > ear. > > So, I'm very grateful that people are interested in > what I'm doing, I'm > happy to have made a positive impact for some folks, > and I'm > particularly gratified that Matthias and Kim's > genius is finally getting > a little bit of the attention it's deserved for so > long. When > Normalized is released, perhaps the "free" exposure > I've built up will > finally pay off, literally. That's ultimately up to > the listeners out > there, and whether or not my latest work will be > worth ten-odd dollars > to them. > > And in the interest of visualization, maybe next > time I'll register > "Opportunist Music Dot Com" as a web address. > > Anyway... > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 03:26:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M7QCq26707; Thu, 22 May 2003 03:26:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:26:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:25:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <20030521085424.32395.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> <3ECC6A0A.DD2AB0A5@earthlink.net> From: ernesto schnack Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3ECC6A0A.DD2AB0A5@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: <82tEiC.A.5gG.IuHz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 21 May 2003 23:11:22 -0700, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Now, that's a better fate than assembling Nike shoes for $2.00 an hour, > or crawling out of rubble in Baghdad right now. But when I think about > all the traffic going through my site, and how little of an impact it > has on my actual day-to-day existence, it makes me wonder how much time > I may have wasted by focusing so intensely on the EDP, as opposed to > more bread-and-butter things that might actually lead to my generating > some income from the music-related skills I've been cultivating for > about 25 years. > I would look at it this way...you've developed a unique sound from spending so much time on the EDP. But most importantly (unlike your first album) you'll be able to do it live. And as wonderful as the web is as a promotional tool, playing live is still where it's at for selling cd's. I think there is a good chance that your time spent will pay off...especially since it's such a unique thing you're doing. I'd imagine it catches ppl's attention in a live situation. Then your webpage would supplement that. So start lining up those dates, dude. -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 03:28:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M7SEw26997; Thu, 22 May 2003 03:28:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:28:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:26:17 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Daniel Lanois From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c3201c$bae133c0$6401a8c0@ws42554> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh man!! i was never a real daniel lanois guy-ya know "producer to the stars"-"bob dylan's go to guy"-"friends w/ emmylou"-etc. but he did an 'instore' @ borders here in sf.ca. a coupla weeks ago and i was blown away!! he had a bass guy and guitar guy and he did some songs from his new album and it was just the sweetest, most heartfelt performance i've seen in a long time-so inspirational. he sat down a few times and played these haunting solo pedal steel instros and there were a hundred people in his grasp,spellbound... he did a meet&greet after and i got to talk to him fer a minute...i mentioned my love of and he agreed that it was a sweet unit that he has been known to use on recordings... i left totally uplifted and inspired-what a rare treat. he is comin back to town in june and i hope to be there. about as musical as it ever gets stan > Ok, so I dropped some bit on the paypal for LD, so I'll post one more OT > post .. > > Saw Daniel Lanois tonight .. no looping ;-) .. but it was such a heartful > show .. and Brian Blade is a ****ing awesome drummer ... whoa ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 03:30:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M7TOk27119; Thu, 22 May 2003 03:29:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:29:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:28:56 +0200 Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3ECC6A0A.DD2AB0A5@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <0C558D72-8C27-11D7-9C0A-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre and others, When I started solostring.com, I initially had every mp3 available as a free download. What I saw was like yourself Andre - lots of people downloading but very little income. I now have a selection of mp3's available for free downloading, but I also have a members only section that is password protected. I don't ask for money as such, but just hint that this is my livelihood and state that any donation or nicely written email will get you the password. Whilst I still give out many free passwords, I do get people who donate through 'guilt trip' :) Just an idea.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 05:02:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4M91SM08647; Thu, 22 May 2003 05:01:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 05:01:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c32040$0a3754e0$224865d5@elias> From: "Elias Faingersh" To: References: <20030522061144.67961.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:56:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4M91GB08600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Midi footcontroller. Defalt 64...(CC64) and you are back in bussines. Elias. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:11 AM Subject: Repeater > Repeater users, > Is there another way to get the pitch shift and tempo > on the repeater back to normal quickly instead of > rolling the tempo knob back to 120? I sometimes turn > the repeater on and my loops start way out of pitch. > Anybody having this problem as well? > Louie > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 06:37:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MAY7P15925; Thu, 22 May 2003 06:34:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:34:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c401c3204d$a1f71100$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <001b01c3201b$88619c10$6401a8c0@ws42554> Subject: Re: Looping stuff (was RE: why pot before looping?) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:13:42 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Michael LaMeyer" said, > Cool! Looping! K ... > > So, everybody share a looping technique or recipe. Mmmm, recipe. Even the > simplest, dingiest one .. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of those. C'mon, > it's cool .. I'm reminded of the end of Dee-Lite's "Groove is in the Heart" video, when Bootsy says, "Dee-Lite have definately been known to smoke - (blowing party favor, shaking finger) - on stage that is!" I went through a period when I executed the first "Club Meditation" pieces publicly before buying a second Zoom 2100 from David Myers (and thank you LD for that connection!), making the setup of two 2100s and my beloved but groundedly-cranky 7.6 Time Machine that I use today. The structure of the pieces was as follows: Settings: Zoom 2100: 6-second tape sim / 32-second sample-playback (Line in 9-10 on Mackie 1202vlz) Time Machine: 4-second loop (attached to Aux 1) Quadraverb+ on 1202vlz's control out, into PC They'd be played like this: Build loop for texture on the 2100 using the 6-second tape simulation; Open the Time Machine loop and capture it, then close to repeat throughout piece; Switch 2100 to 32-second sample/playback; Record solo loop on 2100, play immediately, then pause; Play solo in this 'pause'; Begin playing loop again on 2100; Play softer solo like before; Open Time Machine, let it decay to end. For some reason I decided to try to get fifteen pieces on the CD, which required that most of them be less than 4.30. This generated the only complaint about them, if it was that: That the pieces were too short to generate a truly "meditative" experience (thank you Steve L!). While I had initially executed this collection as this tightly-constrained set, and stuck to the structure as a positive exercise, I had to agree that they were shorter than I'd have liked. It was later on when I'd bought the second 2100 - and upgraded my PC to faster than 350MHz - that I pursued much longer pieces like "B. Sing Yu" and "Hitchhiker's Lament". But I had to wonder a bit about Steve's comment: One of my own complaints about Eno's classic "Music for Films" collection was that the pieces were too short. I wanted MORE, dammit! And in turn was eventually motivated to create longer pieces myself. On the flip side, isn't it a good thing to have listeners wanting MORE? Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - Loop of the Week and pieces like the above http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 06:37:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MAY8015927; Thu, 22 May 2003 06:34:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:34:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c501c3204d$a2c07b80$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030522060617.68312.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Even more OT: why pot before looping? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:19:52 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Tim" put forth: > Children using drugs, and using them irresponsibly, > isn't a good example to use when arguing against pot. > Especially when many teachers are for pumping their > students full of pharmaceuticals, which is utter > hypocrisy. I don't smoke cigarettes, don't drink, and > I enjoy weed and a few psychedelics. I started as an > adult at the age of 18. Sorry, please don't say you believe all that crap that $cientologists like Lisa Marie Presley and Isaac Hayes have been sent out to say about the "evil psychologists" drugging our children into submission. $cientology is a ufo mind-control nazi-style cult, pure and simple. Check out alt.religion.scientology for a few weeks, or http://www.xenu.net for the truth about their rabid campaign against Ritalin etc., as well as their "Black PR" persecution campaigns on anyone who disagrees with them publicly. I'll not discuss this further here. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 06:42:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MAewZ16452; Thu, 22 May 2003 06:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c3204e$6781bec0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <00e401c31ff3$53b9b7e0$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: "Stoners" and Otherwise Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:39:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-LrVCC.A.xAE.hkKz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Venue - St Luke's Church Artist in question - David Friesen actual cause of spliff-like smell - a light too close to a curtain... ;o) a very bizarre moment Steve www.stevelawson.net Stephen Goodman wrote: > I remember a show Steve Lawson had in 2001 with another fellow, an American > (sorry, can't remember his name despite being painfully straight as hell) > who at one point smelled the sweet familiar scent - which in retrospect > might have been a fox, whose pee smells an awful lot like skunk weed (enough > that I've suspected that some folks put fox 'essence' on the stuff they sell > to add a false 'value for money' element - yes, I *hate* the phrase) - but > nonetheless, he asked something like "Is that grass?" and said if someone > were they should go outside. The venue would've been a bit odd, as it's the > main chambers of a church. In retrospect I think it was a fox letting loose > outside, as I've smelled more fox pee in the air than dope in the interim. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 07:30:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MBRc021204; Thu, 22 May 2003 07:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:27:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015301c32055$1e42a920$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <00e401c31ff3$53b9b7e0$0201a8c0@eluk> <002601c3204e$6781bec0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: "Stoners" and Otherwise Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:27:23 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yikes, good thing you caught it before it became a heat source! I remember thinking how quaint it was for someone to call it "grass". :) "Steve Lawson" said: > Venue - St Luke's Church > Artist in question - David Friesen > actual cause of spliff-like smell - a light too close to a curtain... ;o) > > a very bizarre moment > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net > > Stephen Goodman wrote: > > I remember a show Steve Lawson had in 2001 with another fellow, an > American > > (sorry, can't remember his name despite being painfully straight as hell) > > who at one point smelled the sweet familiar scent - which in retrospect > > might have been a fox, whose pee smells an awful lot like skunk weed > (enough > > that I've suspected that some folks put fox 'essence' on the stuff they > sell > > to add a false 'value for money' element - yes, I *hate* the phrase) - but > > nonetheless, he asked something like "Is that grass?" and said if someone > > were they should go outside. The venue would've been a bit odd, as it's > the > > main chambers of a church. In retrospect I think it was a fox letting > loose > > outside, as I've smelled more fox pee in the air than dope in the interim. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 07:30:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MBTEU21312; Thu, 22 May 2003 07:29:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:29:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1ee.96fd0fe.2bfe0e65@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:28:37 EDT Subject: Louies CD sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > (an Italian clothing store luckily buying 8,000 at > once) hi Louie just have to ask what did they do with all those CDs andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 08:38:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MCbOw28080; Thu, 22 May 2003 08:37:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:37:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c3205f$23a4f120$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030521120853.008638b0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030521234608.00b8c4a0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:39:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << relatively low quality, -to me at least, that impacts the general quality of the instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat copy, >> Totally irrelevant. Heck, my first guitar was a cheap Harmony. Years later, my nephew inheirited the ax and he was using it while playing with his band. I've often wanted to buy one of the cheapest guitars at a mail order joint just to see what I could do with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:46 AM Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; > > Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. -Considering that it has a bit of > trouble staying in tune, and most of the hardware on it is relatively low > quality, -to me at least, that impacts the general quality of the > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat copy, according to the > line-6 rep. -or at least the model that he'd demoed with some of the > employees at the store where I teach, was. This is why I'm concerned. > -With issues like that, the modeling just doesn't justify spending that > kind of money to me. -That's all... -just my opinion, and perhaps they > will, or have already upgraded the guitar. -It's certainly possible. > I'll still try one for myself... > > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: > ><< what I know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap > >strat >> > > > >But.... > > > >Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; i.e. that there's a 50% > >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in the software/hardware/development > >end (per the article on the Variax in Guitar Player). > > > >However, there are some nice axes available now in the approx. $500 price > >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 which is really well-made for the > >price point. I also bought a close out of a Jackson DK-2S with the Sustainer > >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and decked out for 4 big ones. 'Course, > >if it's a $149 item, that's another story. > > > >Regarsd, Paul > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Goddess" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM > >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > >> What bothers me about this though, is that the guitar itself, from what > >I > >> know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap strat, > >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of money for an instrument, > >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just my thoughts... > >> > >> Smiles, > >> > >> Cara > >> > >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: > >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > >> > > >> > > >> > So how much are this sweeties? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price will be about $999.00.....i was > >> >surprised by the very positive reviews on both accounts and the talk of > >> >expandability in the near future, ability to download new models (sounds) > >> >into the variax and directly connect to a puter for those of that > >> >bent.....michael > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > >> > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >> > >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 09:06:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MD69232287; Thu, 22 May 2003 09:06:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:06:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:05:35 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why pot before looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <04FFDC87.3CC40C9C.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/22/2003 12:50:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, loopersdelight@solostring.com writes: > No offense, but you obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about, and it is obvious that you have never tried any > narcotic substance in your life That's funny! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 09:09:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MD8qx32639; Thu, 22 May 2003 09:08:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:08:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:08:24 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why pot before looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1A31EB82.46777C44.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/22/2003 1:08:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Had some amazing experiences, and some > boring ones. Don't waste time condemning the drug. There are plenty of > people wasting their lives in front of a Zenith which seems > to be legal > and encouraged by our government. Valid. (But I still think there are more than five or six ways to be trapped.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 09:24:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MDKk601262; Thu, 22 May 2003 09:20:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:20:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:20:23 +0200 Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <04FFDC87.3CC40C9C.007D6382@aol.com> Message-Id: <24D52C16-8C58-11D7-9952-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 03:05 pm, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: >> No offense, but you obviously haven't a clue what you are talking >> about, and it is obvious that you have never tried any >> narcotic substance in your life > > That's funny! :) Shall we get back to talking about looping? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 09:28:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MDRta02856; Thu, 22 May 2003 09:27:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:27:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:27:17 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <696DD3B6.6CFE859F.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/21/2003 9:04:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, cello@zoekeating.com writes: > How marvelous it must feel to be so right. It does feel pretty good, actually. It feels right to me. I thought I'd share my very passionate feelings on the subject of drugs and creativity. I offended plenty and have rallied very few. Some call my views extreme, others discount me as obviously not knowing what I'm talking about. (Now there's an example of "feeling" right.) Others accuse me of being a reflex. How insulting. I didn't attack anyone per se. Why do you feel justified in doing so? Are the drugs affecting you that much? Drugs are a prison. And just like in prison, no one is "guilty." If you use drugs, you have been seduced and have bartered your soul and are possessed by a very invidious demon who will scorn at any effort or entity that invites release. I know. I've been there. There's no way out unless you quit. When I mentioned being a teacher, some instantly assumed high school or whatever. Not the case. Talk about knee jerk and assumptions and whatnot. Universities teem with teens who think dope is where it's at. I thought drugs were groovy once upon a time, too. I'm in earnest here, people. I shouldn't be surprised how angry the demon makes some people, though. As for Kim and this thread and his anger... I don't see how this thread is inappropriate. Last night I sat down to loop, and I didn't do pot before it. I like exploring the deep and powerful places within this human life without clouding my mind with marajuana, and I would like to find other musicians who are capable of doing the same, and this is relevant to this group. Anyone who verbally attacks me can make arrangements to do so in person. Okay? My beef is with the drugs and the cartel and the possessors of the soul. It's a WEED, folks. Like poison ivy. Beware is all I suggest. Be very wary. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 09:46:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MDcjf04424; Thu, 22 May 2003 09:38:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:38:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:26:33 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: why pot before looping? To: Steve Goodman , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008801c32067$40e0cae0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002001c32002$4770bce0$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some rich deja vu for me on this thread. When I first joined Looper's Delight - and first got on the Internet - a few years back - I started a similar flame by stating something to the effect of "drugs and creativity are incompatible. " Hooo whee! Anybody remember that conflagration? This IS a poor thread, though, in this context and culture. Why don't we discuss the musicality of Cristina Agulera's belly button or the compositional superiority of wearing a PRS guitar near your crotch? :-) Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 09:54:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MDrP105861; Thu, 22 May 2003 09:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522135313.12851.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:53:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c501c3204d$a2c07b80$0201a8c0@eluk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scientologists aren't the only ones who raise this argument. Experts and professionals from all walks of life are questioning the validity of drug therapy. Psychologists and evil aside, the phenomenon is symptomatic of a greater social problem rather than a mere collection of individual problems. But this is another OT thread. Suffice to say, it's not crap. If you can call television, coffee, shopping, soda pop and other unassuming things soma-like, then it would be inconsistent, among other things, not to view most drug therapy in the same, if not greater, light. Anyway, I liked the one response to our proselytizer, and I paraphrase: trying to explain it all would be like trying to explain what sight is like to a blind man. I personally love the marijuana. In moderation, of course! > Sorry, please don't say you believe all that crap > that $cientologists like > Lisa Marie Presley and Isaac Hayes have been sent > out to say about the "evil > psychologists" drugging our children into > submission. $cientology is a ufo > mind-control nazi-style cult, pure and simple. > Check out > alt.religion.scientology for a few weeks, or > http://www.xenu.net for the > truth about their rabid campaign against Ritalin > etc., as well as their > "Black PR" persecution campaigns on anyone who > disagrees with them publicly. > > I'll not discuss this further here. > > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily > Cartoon > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via > Medialine! > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 10:07:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ME5E408419; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:05:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:05:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c3206b$212ea380$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <002001c32002$4770bce0$0201a8c0@eluk> <008801c32067$40e0cae0$1912be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:04:55 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Steve Goodman" ; Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 14:26:PM Subject: Re: why pot before looping? > Some rich deja vu for me on this thread. When I first joined Looper's > Delight - and first got on the Internet - a few years back - I started a > similar flame by stating something to the effect of "drugs and creativity > are incompatible. " Hooo whee! Alas, perhaps the archive remembers such snuff, er, stuff. > Anybody remember that conflagration? This IS a poor thread, though, in this > context and culture. Why don't we discuss the musicality of Cristina > Agulera's belly button or the compositional superiority of wearing a PRS > guitar near your crotch? Because neither have a relationship to music composition or performance. Unless of course you think of Christina Aquilera as a musician instead of just a voice-corrected-to-be-in-tune celebrity with an addiction to bleach. The aspects of marijuana use (as opposed to the easy but incorrect and reactionarily-broad term "drugs") can be seen as relevant to various kinds of musicianship way back before vinyl was being pressed. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 10:34:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4METRf12908; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:29:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:29:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c3206e$d2416ba0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030521120853.008638b0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030521234608.00b8c4a0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:31:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [151.203.32.131] at Thu, 22 May 2003 09:28:56 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Assuming the Variax and the Roland VG are equally capable in the "sounds" department, having it all in the guitar already is nice as it would mean one LESS thing to carry around. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:46 AM Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; > > Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. -Considering that it has a bit of > trouble staying in tune, and most of the hardware on it is relatively low > quality, -to me at least, that impacts the general quality of the > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat copy, according to the > line-6 rep. -or at least the model that he'd demoed with some of the > employees at the store where I teach, was. This is why I'm concerned. > -With issues like that, the modeling just doesn't justify spending that > kind of money to me. -That's all... -just my opinion, and perhaps they > will, or have already upgraded the guitar. -It's certainly possible. > I'll still try one for myself... > > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: > ><< what I know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap > >strat >> > > > >But.... > > > >Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; i.e. that there's a 50% > >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in the software/hardware/development > >end (per the article on the Variax in Guitar Player). > > > >However, there are some nice axes available now in the approx. $500 price > >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 which is really well-made for the > >price point. I also bought a close out of a Jackson DK-2S with the Sustainer > >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and decked out for 4 big ones. 'Course, > >if it's a $149 item, that's another story. > > > >Regarsd, Paul > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Goddess" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM > >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > >> What bothers me about this though, is that the guitar itself, from what > >I > >> know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap strat, > >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of money for an instrument, > >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just my thoughts... > >> > >> Smiles, > >> > >> Cara > >> > >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: > >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > >> > > >> > > >> > So how much are this sweeties? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price will be about $999.00.....i was > >> >surprised by the very positive reviews on both accounts and the talk of > >> >expandability in the near future, ability to download new models (sounds) > >> >into the variax and directly connect to a puter for those of that > >> >bent.....michael > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > >> > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >> > >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 10:35:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MEYIQ13400; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:34:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:34:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:33:47 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <29958725.156FA5E2.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9kQFqB.A.DRD.c_Nz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/22/2003 8:53:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, idropetod@yahoo.com writes: > I personally love the marijuana. And it loves you equally, my requited friend. Let my proselytizing shift. Actually, pot is an ideal way to compose. It opens up your mind and makes you look at the commercially conditioned world around us in abberant but beautiful new ways. It stimulates limbic and deep regions of an otherwise sleeping mind. Pot, when used regularly, creates a feeling of peace and calm. All those preaching types just don't understand it. They think they know what they're talking about, but they're actually missing the point. The point is that when you get high, you're actually communicating on a "higher" level. That's why it's called getting "high." You join a cosmic council of consciousness and begin to view the world in a 5, 6, even 10 dimensional view, as apposed to the 3, maybe 4 if you're lucky, flat world view that the power-that- be want you at. You begin to realize that there are so many potentials to every action, even bundles of probabilities swirling around in a cosmic dance of Siva, the creator and destroyer of the universe. You become quarky. And that is exactly the desired state everyone should be in. I think more and more people should get high. Then all the military minds wouldn't have anyone to operate their Paladins or FAASVs or any of the other violent weapons created by "straight" engineers. It is scary if you think about it. The clearer your mind, the more dangerous you become to society and humanity at large. No one who uses pot is violent or fires weapons. It's all good. Just relax dude and spark one up. Inhale that rich, blue cloud and blow it out and ahhhh...turn on a little Santana, and everything is alright! Peace. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 10:38:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MEc6S13822; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c32070$110e9460$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030522135313.12851.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: online sales of ambient music Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:40:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [151.203.32.131] at Thu, 22 May 2003 09:37:51 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi - I'd like to tap into the collected wealth of experience people here have selling CD's on the internet. Specifically, I would like to get my AMBIENT INSTRUMENTAL CD's out and for sale across as many different web-sites as possible. If readers could please forward to me links to sugested websites (worldwide), I'd be happy to compile them all into one list for everyone, and if possible even place on the Loopers'-Delight website. Cheers David Kirkdorffer UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 10:47:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MEiOp14927; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:44:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:44:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c32070$9a783120$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <29958725.156FA5E2.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:44:08 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 15:33:PM Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? > In a message dated 5/22/2003 8:53:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, idropetod@yahoo.com writes: > > > I personally love the marijuana. > Give it up, fella. Your experience is, alas, YOUR experience. Go play your guitar. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 10:47:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MEi9H14855; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:44:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:44:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:47:07 +0100 Subject: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <696DD3B6.6CFE859F.007D6382@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone I've almost finished my history of live-looping research paper and I would like to post it up onto this list to see what you think. However I have sent it twice and it has obviously been rejected. its 13000words long is there a size limit to posting something? I could post it in chunks .... does anyone know if there is a ruff word limit to a post so i can work out how much to post in each chunk??? Cheers geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 10:53:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MEpVY15719; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:51:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:51:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c32071$8ec1ba80$252b93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:50:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please ask kim then publish a link no attachment are allowed on this list they get rejected looking forward to read the story Claude > Hi everyone > I've almost finished my history of live-looping research paper and I would > like to post it up onto this list to see what you think. However I have sent > it twice and it has obviously been rejected. > its 13000words long is there a size limit to posting something? > I could post it in chunks .... > does anyone know if there is a ruff word limit to a post so i can work out > how much to post in each chunk??? > Cheers > geoff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 10:54:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MEqkg15899; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:52:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:52:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c32071$c69d59a0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:52:31 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 15:47:PM Subject: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper > Hi everyone > I've almost finished my history of live-looping research paper and I would > like to post it up onto this list to see what you think. However I have sent > it twice and it has obviously been rejected. > its 13000words long is there a size limit to posting something? > I could post it in chunks .... > does anyone know if there is a ruff word limit to a post so i can work out > how much to post in each chunk??? > I had a similar problem when I attempted to post the hilariously-named Music Online Competition Act in 2001. I suggest webbing it, and providing us with the link. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 11:01:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MExb918101; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:59:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:59:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:59:05 +0200 Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <29958725.156FA5E2.007D6382@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 04:33 pm, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > Ok. You don't like drugs. You are anti-drugs. Drugs don't work for you... Because they don't work for you, it means that they don't work for anyone else. Because you know people who have fucked up on drugs, or have fucked up yourself at some stage, you think that everyone who takes drugs is making a mistake. You blatantly ignore other people's opinions and viewpoints because you feel so strongly about this subject. We understand and accept that. You have your viewpoint. Maybe you should understand and accept that other people have differing opinions than you. Remember that most people on this list are old enough to make their own decisions, and do not need a parental figure to tell them what is right and what is wrong. (Christ... and to think that all this was sparked off because I admitted that I liked to smoke when I play) So please don't judge me, stereotype me or lecture me or anyone else on this list about this subject. You don't have the fucking right. Any chance of getting back to talking about looping? Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 11:05:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MF21I18476; Thu, 22 May 2003 11:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:02:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:05:41 +0100 Subject: Re: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c32071$c69d59a0$0201a8c0@eluk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfortunately i have no idea how to do that. Also i don't know how you replied to my post because I never received it. I.e. it hasn't showed up in my email. Something strange is going on. confused Geoff on 22/5/03 3:52 pm, Steve Goodman at spgoodman@earthlight.net wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Smith" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 15:47:PM > Subject: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper > > >> Hi everyone >> I've almost finished my history of live-looping research paper and I would >> like to post it up onto this list to see what you think. However I have > sent >> it twice and it has obviously been rejected. >> its 13000words long is there a size limit to posting something? >> I could post it in chunks .... >> does anyone know if there is a ruff word limit to a post so i can work out >> how much to post in each chunk??? >> > > I had a similar problem when I attempted to post the hilariously-named Music > Online Competition Act in 2001. I suggest webbing it, and providing us with > the link. > > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 11:07:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MF4Mp18802; Thu, 22 May 2003 11:04:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:04:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522150410.24836.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:04:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b601c32070$9a783120$0201a8c0@eluk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice. Good talking to you. --- Steve Goodman wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 15:33:PM > Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? > > > > In a message dated 5/22/2003 8:53:13 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > idropetod@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > I personally love the marijuana. > > > > > > Give it up, fella. Your experience is, alas, YOUR > experience. Go play your > guitar. > > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily > Cartoon > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via > Medialine! > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 11:10:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MF9Ho19878; Thu, 22 May 2003 11:09:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:09:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c32074$66c83d80$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:11:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [151.203.32.131] at Thu, 22 May 2003 10:08:53 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <0DSAuD.A.q1E.LgOz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any way you can set it up as something we download as desired? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:47 AM Subject: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper > Hi everyone > I've almost finished my history of live-looping research paper and I would > like to post it up onto this list to see what you think. However I have sent > it twice and it has obviously been rejected. > its 13000words long is there a size limit to posting something? > I could post it in chunks .... > does anyone know if there is a ruff word limit to a post so i can work out > how much to post in each chunk??? > Cheers > geoff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 11:21:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MFJUb21293; Thu, 22 May 2003 11:19:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:19:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:21:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Pot debate From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200305221505.h4MF5AV18942@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com isn't looping fun? I love reading and talking about looping. I love what looping does for my state of mind. And often the state of mind of those listening to me. isn't looping fun . . . let's talk about looping! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 11:24:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MFLVL21704; Thu, 22 May 2003 11:21:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:21:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c32077$7d6b7fe0$ebd1bc3f@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: Subject: Re: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:33:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Geoff, You might try uploading it to the files page. http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 11:31:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MFTFH22970; Thu, 22 May 2003 11:29:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:29:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.87] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:28:06 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pot debate X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030522.112816.13502.61062@webmail07.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looping is fun! I started looping last night with the new boss dd20. I love it as a dd and the sound on sound is great but it doesn't seem long enough for some of my lengthlier passages. I used it in conjuction with the Boss RC20 and between the too I got pretty high with some wacked out loops. The dd20 is a very nice unit for those who want a dedicated delay with tap tempo at their feet. I was lucky enough to get it for 179 at sweetwater. I also purchased the new boss dr3 drum machine which also loops patterns. It can be setup to loop any drum and bass preset or create your own and store them in one of the 100 user slots. This drum machine also does a few odd time signatures too. I am just getting started with these units but the feeling was wonderful! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 11:34:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MFWcG23376; Thu, 22 May 2003 11:32:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:32:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c32077$588f76e0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Pot debate Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:32:24 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > isn't looping fun? > I love reading and talking about looping. > I love what looping does for my state of mind. > And often the state of mind of those listening to me. > isn't looping fun . . . > let's talk about looping! I tried! :) I'm reminded of an old Woolf cartoon from the old New Yorker which looped on its own (you know, before it became Vanity Fair? [wink]) (Oh, oh, I'll NEVER get a cartoon in there now!) Woman talking to smouldering man at kitchen table: "You know, Silvester, I was talking to Madge and told her that we need a change of pace. I think we do need a change of pace. What do you think, don't you agree with me when I say we need a change of pace...?" Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 11:35:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MFVnn23278; Thu, 22 May 2003 11:31:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:31:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: OT: Daniel Lanois Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:25:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c32076$70bb51e0$500a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000a01c32026$df238940$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's coming to CO, here's his calendar though .. http://www.daniellanois.com/calendar.htm First of all, if you've never heard the Emmy Lou Harris album "Wreaking Ball", you owe it to your ears ... the cover of Hendrix's "May This Be Love" is worth the price alone, talk about fun with compression ... stand back ... Brian Blade's on that album too, Neil Young's on a couple tracks, altogether a fantastic album .. The show was definitely reminiscient of the Shine album, simple but elegant. They arrived late for the Boston show (love that Boston traffic! Especially when the Red Socks play Fenway ... like last night .. poor Daniel! ;-), but I didn't see or hear anyone complaining. Daniel and Brian literally just walked up on stage and started playing, Daniel sat down behind the pedal steel and just took off with a beautiful intro piece. He had three other guitars with him (strat, les paul, and what looked like an gibson r&d of some kind) and an amp that looked like an AC30 cabinet with all the logos removed, I have no idea what was inside. I thought Daniel's vocals sounded better live than on any recording I've heard. There was a woman singing backup on a few tracks, I didn't catch her name unfortunately, although apparently DL just found her along the way. I was in the back most of the time, but brother LD member Peter (yo!) Koniuto was pretty much sitting at Lanois' feet the whole time, so I'll defer to him on what was on stage (I can't remember what the pedal steel he was playing was, and what mic was he using for vocals? Looked about the same size and shape as an akg 414 back where I was *shrug*). One thing I did see though, were two people sitting right in front of Lanois' pedals who had their drinks in plastic cups sitting on the stage amoungst his cabling! Gah! Please don't do that kids!! ;-) This was the first time I'd ever seen Brian Blade play, I was simply blown away by his feel and articulation. He seemed to have pretty free rein as far as playing went, frankly, I'd trust his judgement too. Even with just guitar, drums and vocals they filled the air between them. I've always found Lanois' guitar playing to sound really rootsy and unrefined, but very unconventional and graceful at the same time; a weird mix of noisy amp, a smattering of fudged notes and inconsistent damping, swimming in and out of soaring, glittering bell tones and bayou blues licks that don't quite act like they should. But 'heartful' is probably the single most useful word to describe it. I've been waiting almost 10 years to see DL play live, it was worth it. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Jimmy George Band [mailto:jg@jimmygeorgeband.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:56 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Daniel Lanois > > > oooo tell me more ml. yes i saw blade with frisell in austin, > he was amazing > indeed! never have seen dl but he's one of my fav producers. > i have his 1st > 2 solo cds and love them. i wondering if they will come to denver co? > > thanks for the heads up, more details please : ) > > jg > > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael LaMeyer > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:43 PM > Subject: OT: Daniel Lanois > > > > Ok, so I dropped some bit on the paypal for LD, so I'll > post one more OT > > post .. > > > > Saw Daniel Lanois tonight .. no looping ;-) .. but it was > such a heartful > > show .. and Brian Blade is a ****ing awesome drummer ... whoa ... > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 11:46:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MFgMV24540; Thu, 22 May 2003 11:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:42:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.87] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:41:42 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030522.114148.13502.61162@webmail07.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-U25W.A.C_F.T_Oz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do we feel about caffine? I believe it a drug! I know people who loop it through their bodies over and over and then complain that they don't sleep well.... from the weg files..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:03:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MG0pL28171; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:00:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:00:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c3207b$498c3ee0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030522.114148.13502.61162@webmail07.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:00:10 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Weg" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 16:41:PM Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* > > How do we feel about caffine? I believe it a drug! I know people who loop it through their bodies over and over and then complain that they don't sleep well.... > > from the weg files..... Hah, Frank Zappa would disagree, home boy! In the "Does Humor Belong in Music?" video, he clearly states (prophetically!), holding up a cigarette and coffee cup, that "these are FOOD." My own mother, having drunk as many as 8 cups of black java a day while raising me and my less-troublesome siblings, has suffered from arhythmia/rapid heart-rate since her late 40s. Hopefully I haven't inherited it, but thankfully me first case o' kidney stones in '87 taught me to drink more water and keep myself to two cups in the morning - and only the occasional cappuccino in the afternoon/evening. And I quit caffeinated soft drinks - and cigarettes! - over ten years ago. If you want to know how I killed that last nasty habit, ask off-list. Drug? Yes. But then we're getting to be more scientific in classifications in this regard. Hopefully in the future we'll be arguing about whether or not something is a "mood/mind/physiology altering substance" I suppose. :) Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:06:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MG3xr28615; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:03:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:03:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522160334.3111.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Louies CD sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1ee.96fd0fe.2bfe0e65@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, The european company which manufactures womens underwear(lovely by the way) wanted to make a special gift to their distributor clients around europe,so they thought our CD would be a nice one.I must also say that we were also in the right place at the right time with all the buzz about the rebirth of cuban SON music going around here.They paid us about 1.00$dlls per CD which is not much, but they paid all performance rights costs,etc. provided we allow them to put their logo, corporate identity etc.on the front cover.This money basically financed our second CD which has cost us a lot of money since it was recorded in Switzerland and had to be remixed here in Germany.Now we are only hoping we can sell a few so we can recover financially! Cheers Louie --- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > (an Italian clothing store luckily buying 8,000 at > > once) > > hi Louie > > just have to ask > what did they do with all those CDs > > andy butler > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:15:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGCqk29668; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:12:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:12:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:12:25 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5DD0ED08.7787F989.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/22/2003 9:44:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions I'll be sure to contact THIS company!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:16:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGDdv29782; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:13:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:13:20 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5043ADBE.57D917D0.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/22/2003 9:59:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, loopersdelight@solostring.com writes: > You don't have the fucking right. No? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:19:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGGqO30282; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:16:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:16:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522161637.61714.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:16:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007b01c3207b$498c3ee0$0201a8c0@eluk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh lord how i love a good cup of italian coffee! go to the drug addicts Tony Levine´s webpage he gives some great tips about home brewing coffee and how to drug yourself real good. http://www.tonylevin.com/tlevcoffee.htm have a nice day! --- Steve Goodman wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Weg" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 16:41:PM > Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant > to looping* > > > > > > How do we feel about caffine? I believe it a > drug! I know people who > loop it through their bodies over and over and then > complain that they don't > sleep well.... > > > > from the weg files..... > > Hah, Frank Zappa would disagree, home boy! In the > "Does Humor Belong in > Music?" video, he clearly states (prophetically!), > holding up a cigarette > and coffee cup, that "these are FOOD." > > My own mother, having drunk as many as 8 cups of > black java a day while > raising me and my less-troublesome siblings, has > suffered from > arhythmia/rapid heart-rate since her late 40s. > Hopefully I haven't > inherited it, but thankfully me first case o' kidney > stones in '87 taught me > to drink more water and keep myself to two cups in > the morning - and only > the occasional cappuccino in the afternoon/evening. > And I quit caffeinated > soft drinks - and cigarettes! - over ten years ago. > If you want to know how > I killed that last nasty habit, ask off-list. > > Drug? Yes. But then we're getting to be more > scientific in classifications > in this regard. Hopefully in the future we'll be > arguing about whether or > not something is a "mood/mind/physiology altering > substance" I suppose. :) > > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily > Cartoon > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via > Medialine! > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:21:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGIpd30498; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:17:22 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: From Mr. Onion to Me MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2E3C9743.193E0371.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is from a member of this group, sent directly to me... Keep on using my clear thinking looping peer! "Paul, I do not read much of lists. I do not get high in an illegal drug sense. A major reason I feel people on the list are against you is not because of the defense of drugs but simply because nobody likes someone who is closed-minded, thinks they are so fucking right, looks down on people because they do things you do not like, and so on. I don't care if you are a teacher, who gives a fuck? I just think you are an asshole for for thinking you are so right about a subject. You been there? Great, fuck you and you're dead relatives! I know plenty of people on drugs, with different results. Of course you don't care, you probably laugh at messages like this because you are so stuck on yourself. You are the one with the problems. I'll tell it to you're face. You're drug is you're own self-absorbed pride. I do not have to make a list of great creative people (musicians, artists, directors, poets, authors, etc.) to prove my point of the actual value of drugs to SOME people, I am sure you know plenty yourself. You think you know all the answers? Than you're just further away from the truth motherfucker! I do not feel most of the people who responded to you are offended, I think they just feel sorry for you. It is people like you why I rarely read list groups." That was so loving and thoughtful and sweet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:25:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGNFt31171; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:23:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:23:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522162304.75806.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:23:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps Kim would consider featureing your paper on the Loopers-Delight website, in the "History of Looping" section. Then you can post a simple URL link to it and the listserv software will be happy. Greg --- Geoff Smith wrote: > Unfortunately i have no idea how to do that. > > Also i don't know how you replied to my post because I never received it. > I.e. it hasn't showed up in my email. > Something strange is going on. > confused > Geoff > > on 22/5/03 3:52 pm, Steve Goodman at spgoodman@earthlight.net wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Geoff Smith" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 15:47:PM > > Subject: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper > > > > > >> Hi everyone > >> I've almost finished my history of live-looping research paper and I would > >> like to post it up onto this list to see what you think. However I have > > sent > >> it twice and it has obviously been rejected. > >> its 13000words long is there a size limit to posting something? > >> I could post it in chunks .... > >> does anyone know if there is a ruff word limit to a post so i can work out > >> how much to post in each chunk??? > >> > > > > I had a similar problem when I attempted to post the hilariously-named Music > > Online Competition Act in 2001. I suggest webbing it, and providing us with > > the link. > > > > Steve Goodman > > EarthLight Productions > > * > > http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon > > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:29:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGR3U31620; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:27:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:27:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c3207e$f06ab900$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <5DD0ED08.7787F989.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:26:45 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 17:12:PM Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? > In a message dated 5/22/2003 9:44:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > > > Steve Goodman > > EarthLight Productions > > I'll be sure to contact THIS company!!! O Dog With Bone, it's MY company. Judge not, as the Man said. But most reactionaries so quickly forget this, in the sad belief that it is one's task in life to judge others as beneath yourself. Try this one: http://www.earthlight.net/Thoughts001.html. S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGQJK31480; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:26:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:26:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522162602.63744.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c32040$0a3754e0$224865d5@elias> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Elias, Yes, i already have it programmed this way but i don´t like having to rock the pedal back and forth specially when i am recording.I was looking for a way to do this with one button press or manually but i guess it isn´t possible. louie --- Elias Faingersh wrote: > Midi footcontroller. > Defalt 64...(CC64) and you are back in bussines. > > Elias. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louie Angulo" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:11 AM > Subject: Repeater > > > > Repeater users, > > Is there another way to get the pitch shift and > tempo > > on the repeater back to normal quickly instead of > > rolling the tempo knob back to 120? I sometimes > turn > > the repeater on and my loops start way out of > pitch. > > Anybody having this problem as well? > > Louie > > > > ===== > > www.labalou.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:38:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGYQC32553; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:34:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:34:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ECCFAFA.A72DC5E4@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:29:46 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: Roland Handsonic Percussion unit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling my Roland Handsonic percussion thingy. I bought this from a dealer barely used in incredible condition. It's sat in my studio and been played a total of *maybe* four hours since. Now that I set up my full electronic drum kit I really have no use for it so my loss is your gain. This is the HPD-15 in excellent condition with the original powersupply, box, manual, stand adapter, and foot pedal. FWIW the pedal and stand adapter don't come with a new unit, I bought those extra. Full info with online demos, PDFs, etc go here: Http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?CatID=5&SubCatID=26&ProdID=HPD-15 >From the Roland Site: "The HPD-15 HandSonic™ is an electronic hand percussion multi-pad with triggering capabilities derived from breakthrough V-Drums® technology. Divided into 15 parts, the HPD-15 allows hand percussionists to play up to 600 realistic acoustic and electronic percussion sounds--15 simultaneously--with all the sensitivity that the Roland V-Drums® are famous for." I'm a freaknoise slut and live drummer - not hand percussionist- but I have to say this thing is the wolf's balls for anyone interested in electronic and experimental type stuff and no, you don't need to be a percussionist or drummer to make it scream (fingers help however :)) I've found this is an incredible alternative midi controller (Dbeam, TWO ribbon controllers, 15 Vdrum pad zones, etc etc etc) in addition to it's incredible array or sounds and effects. You want loops? This thing will make your head spin. Alas, It's just not for me with all the other gear I have and I'm willing to take a loss to move on and get back to my live stuff : ( Asking $700.00 US plus shipping which is a very reasonable price but if you think that's out of line I'll entertain SERIOUS offers. These do sell used for more without the extras or condition but I want to sell this painlessly with no nonsense. Buyer must confirm via phone so send your # to speed things up. Will accept USPS MO. Paypal is fine but only if you pick up all the fees otherwise MO is the way to go. References out the wazoo of course. Post here first then the 'net at large. Please but this so I don't have to deal with the 'net at large! Any questions? let me know. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:41:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGbam00481; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:37:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:37:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522163725.44382.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030522162602.63744.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie, You can do it! From the front panel, press the pitch button to select tracks (it should select all tracks by default, you can deselect ones you don't want changed by pressing the track buttons), then press it again and hold it down for a second or two. All the pitch shifts will revert to original. I think it works the same way for the pan settings too. For tempo, just hold down the tap tempo button. I don't have a midi pedal programmed to do this, so I always use the front panel for this. Greg --- Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi Elias, > Yes, i already have it programmed this way but i don´t > like having to rock the pedal back and forth specially > when i am recording.I was looking for a way to do this > with one button press or manually but i guess it isn´t > possible. > louie > > > > > --- Elias Faingersh wrote: > > Midi footcontroller. > > Defalt 64...(CC64) and you are back in bussines. > > > > Elias. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Louie Angulo" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:11 AM > > Subject: Repeater > > > > > > > Repeater users, > > > Is there another way to get the pitch shift and > > tempo > > > on the repeater back to normal quickly instead of > > > rolling the tempo knob back to 120? I sometimes > > turn > > > the repeater on and my loops start way out of > > pitch. > > > Anybody having this problem as well? > > > Louie > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:42:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGg1w01045; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:42:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:42:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:42:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030522061144.67961.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <698D77D8-8C74-11D7-969A-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Louie If I understand your question... To return tempo back to 120 simply depress and hold down the tap tempo button for about 2-3 seconds, same thing for pitch except you depress the pitch button. On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 11:11 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Repeater users, > Is there another way to get the pitch shift and tempo > on the repeater back to normal quickly instead of > rolling the tempo knob back to 120? I sometimes turn > the repeater on and my loops start way out of pitch. > Anybody having this problem as well? > Louie > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:49:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MGkod01624; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:46:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:46:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1053621868!55280 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB05B@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: why pot before looping? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:43:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32081.51C2B250" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32081.51C2B250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" my take (or toke?) on this is that there's simply way too much hardware, and too many notes, to risk entering a playing/recording situation with one's senses in any way compromised. I think you should do whatever you have to do to get out there, then come back and try to describe the experience with all y'r wits about you. then play it back on the big speakers, have a bifter and see if what you've just recorded does the job or not. stoned or drunk, we become mesmerised by all the flashing lights and "let's just leave this lot looping around and around while we absorb the details" which takes three times as long and somewhat detracts from the experience of the non-stoned listener. not only does it mess with y'r attention span, but also what you're paying attention to- save the spliff for the listen-back session. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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my take (or toke?) on this is that there's simply way too= much hardware, and too many notes, to risk entering a playing/recording si= tuation with one's senses in any way compromised.

I think you should do whatever you have to do to get out = there, then come back and try to describe the experience with all y'r wits = about you. then play it back on the big speakers, have a bifter and see if = what you've just recorded does the job or not. stoned or drunk, we become m= esmerised by all the flashing lights and "let's just leave this lot lo= oping around and around while we absorb the details" which takes three= times as long and somewhat detracts from the experience of the non-stoned = listener.

not only does it mess with y'r attention span, but also w= hat you're paying attention to- save the spliff for the listen-back session= .

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C32081.51C2B250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 13:05:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MH3Ao04562; Thu, 22 May 2003 13:03:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:03:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:02:39 +0200 Subject: Re: why pot before looping? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-40-153831628 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB05B@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: <31A6C83B-8C77-11D7-9952-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-40-153831628 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 06:43 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > my take (or toke?) on this is that there's simply way too much > hardware, and too many notes, to risk entering a playing/recording > situation with one's senses in any way compromised. Maybe that's my trick then....(how I can get away with it)... I've only really ever used a single DL4 for my performances. :) --Apple-Mail-40-153831628 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 06:43 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: my take (or toke?) on this is that there's simply way too much hardware, and too many notes, to risk entering a playing/recording situation with one's senses in any way compromised. Maybe that's my trick then....(how I can get away with it)... I've only really ever used a single DL4 for my performances. :) --Apple-Mail-40-153831628-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 13:06:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MH3Vf04612; Thu, 22 May 2003 13:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:02:26 -0700 Subject: Re: why pot before looping? From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030522061330.63182.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1Sp-_B.A.tHB.YLQz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com except for looping > From: Louie Angulo > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:13:30 -0700 (PDT) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: why pot before looping? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:13:36 -0400 > > You?ve said it! > Louie > > > All things in >> moderation. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 13:13:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MHAhE05497; Thu, 22 May 2003 13:10:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:10:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c32085$09b37180$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <006101c32077$7d6b7fe0$ebd1bc3f@hppav> Subject: Re: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:10:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That will work! My opinion: please use the files section of the LD website. That is exactly what it is for!! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Williamson" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: I want to post my Live-Looping research paper > Hi Geoff, > > You might try uploading it to the files page. > http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 14:19:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MIGnp14180; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522181135.99179.qmail@web21512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007601c3205f$23a4f120$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Ribot likes to use cheap Sears guitars on his records because of the challenge of playing one of those things ... he used one on the first Prostetic Cubans cd. --- Paul wrote: > << relatively low quality, -to me at least, that > impacts the general quality > of the > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat copy, > >> > > Totally irrelevant. Heck, my first guitar was a > cheap Harmony. Years later, > my nephew inheirited the ax and he was using it > while playing with his band. > > I've often wanted to buy one of the cheapest guitars > at a mail order joint > just to see what I could do with it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goddess" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:46 AM > Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's > guess; > > > > Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. > -Considering that it has a bit > of > > trouble staying in tune, and most of the hardware > on it is relatively low > > quality, -to me at least, that impacts the general > quality of the > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat copy, > according to the > > line-6 rep. -or at least the model that he'd > demoed with some of the > > employees at the store where I teach, was. This > is why I'm concerned. > > -With issues like that, the modeling just doesn't > justify spending that > > kind of money to me. -That's all... -just my > opinion, and perhaps they > > will, or have already upgraded the guitar. -It's > certainly possible. > > I'll still try one for myself... > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > Cara > > > > At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: > > ><< what I know from co-workers who've tried it, > is basically a really > cheap > > >strat >> > > > > > >But.... > > > > > >Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's > guess; i.e. that there's a > 50% > > >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in the > software/hardware/development > > >end (per the article on the Variax in Guitar > Player). > > > > > >However, there are some nice axes available now > in the approx. $500 price > > >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 which is > really well-made for the > > >price point. I also bought a close out of a > Jackson DK-2S with the > Sustainer > > >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and decked > out for 4 big ones. > 'Course, > > >if it's a $149 item, that's another story. > > > > > >Regarsd, Paul > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Goddess" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM > > >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > > >> What bothers me about this though, is that > the guitar itself, from > what > > >I > > >> know from co-workers who've tried it, is > basically a really cheap > strat, > > >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of money > for an instrument, > > >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just my > thoughts... > > >> > > >> Smiles, > > >> > > >> Cara > > >> > > >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: > > >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > > >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > So how much are this sweeties? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price will be > about $999.00.....i was > > >> >surprised by the very positive reviews on both > accounts and the talk > of > > >> >expandability in the near future, ability to > download new models > (sounds) > > >> >into the variax and directly connect to a > puter for those of that > > >> >bent.....michael > > >> > > >> > > >> --- > > >> > > >> "The only things I really think are > important, are love, and > eachother. > > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > > >> > > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > >> > > >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > >> > > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > >> > > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > "The only things I really think are important, > are love, and eachother. > > -Then, anything is possible..." > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 14:20:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MI8YG12848; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:08:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:08:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522180814.29920.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Inglan izza beech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200305211947.h4LJlLH04579@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sweetwater will ship to Europe. <<>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 14:31:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MINlq15395; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:23:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:23:06 +0200 Subject: Re: From Mr. Onion to Me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <2E3C9743.193E0371.007D6382@aol.com> Message-Id: <6ED667B0-8C82-11D7-9952-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 06:17 pm, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > This is from a member of this group, sent directly to me... > Keep on using my clear thinking looping peer! Well, I'll post this directly on the list. I have nothing to hide. Even though you did not include the details of the sender Paul, by posting their *PRIVATE* email for all the world to see, you have proved yourself to be a completely self righteous, uncouth, hypocritical and pompous arsehole. I agree wholeheartedly with what the person wrote to you, and would love to by that person a beer (could you please email me offlist so that I can thank you in person... anything you say will be kept private). Paul - you need to open your mind, stop dictating your narrowminded viewpoint, and stop trolling this otherwise peaceful list. Why do you feel the need to lecture people about their beliefs just because you think that they are wrong? Keep your mind closed if that is what you wish, but for fucks sake give people the respect for wanting to open theirs. - Stuart P.S. Kim - sorry for the excess bandwidth. I'll try to paypal you some more $$'s once I build up my balance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 14:33:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MIPg615574; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:25:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:25:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.173] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:24:05 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inglan izza beech X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030522.142453.9375.64106@webmail11.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, If you call Sweetwater ask for Jim Swain Ext. 1228 and tell him Weg sent you and he may give you a discount. Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 14:46:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MIhUA17934; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:43:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:43:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.173] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:42:40 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030522.144251.9375.64226@webmail11.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I must openly admit I too love the caffine drug.... I gave it up many years ago to get off the nicotine drug and that worked for me but I occasionally sneak out and get a cup when nobody is looking... Don't tell! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 14:57:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MIuHP19188; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:56:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:56:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:55:54 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: All You Need Is Love MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <37657847.217F6A25.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. It's me again. I posted a supra-conservative, deliberately preachy, and what I thought was a more or less transparent devil's advocate treatise on pot. I demonized it and it was fun to write, but, my GOD, the responses... Anyone who knows me would have giggled at what I wrote. I have since received personal threats, been called a "bub," and "idiot," a "motherfucker," and been cursed up and down both in public and privately. I'm not about to share any more of my real feelings with this group because #1) apparently it's not safe to, #2) this group is really a place to discuss techy stuff, as it is not volatile subject matter. I will say this, though. I'm not recinding my considerations of THC, but they're certainly not in any way complete. I have lot's to say about power plants, but not here. Not ever again here. (Yeay!!!) I could as easily have written something that was purely in favor of it. There's the issue of taxation, medicinal use, over-population of prisons due to petty crimes, and the whole mind/body/spirit connection. I tried, actually, but it came too late and I was jaded during its writing due to the overwhelming negativity. Maybe that is the grumpiness Mark mentioned, I don't know. I am pleased that many took me as someone that had obviously "never tried it before" and was likened to a blind person. That means that my writing is pretty convincing. Someone told me to shut up and play my guitar. Good advice, but Zappa said it best! In summary, I'm really shocked, however, that a multi-faceted topic and a reflection of one of these angles could draw such vehemence and disdain. I can't expect close, critical readings of internet postings, though. My bad. I wish you all the best with your musical trials and tribulations, but I must admit that I am sad that there is not more love here and elsewhere; love for conservatives, liberals, teachers, poets, engineers, fellow musicians, and each other's opinions. I did not personally attack anyone but was attacked en masse by a whole swarm of stinging words. I said "only drug users will defend using drugs" but didn't anticipate that they'd attack as well. Oh, and that they are a cop-out. "Cop" out... No one saw that, though. I choose my words as carefully as my notes. I'll try harder, next time. Seems I'd better or else. But if anyone would like to continue to verbally attack me...please listen to some Beatles. Come to think of it, though, please steer clear of Helter Skelter, 'K? :) Good-bye. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 14:59:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MIui819213; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:56:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:56:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01bb01c32094$153be000$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <6ED667B0-8C82-11D7-9952-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: From Mr. Onion to Me Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:58:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [151.203.32.131] at Thu, 22 May 2003 13:55:48 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com seems mr. newton was right - for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. a listserv like Looper's Delight is a great forum for sharing ideas opinions and stuff with a community of people. i love it. however, after posts start to become back and forth between two people and directed clearly to eachother, might they best be sent directly to the interlocutors in question, rather than to the entire list-group? just a thought. david ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: From Mr. Onion to Me > > On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 06:17 pm, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > > > This is from a member of this group, sent directly to me... > > Keep on using my clear thinking looping peer! > > Well, I'll post this directly on the list. I have nothing to hide. > Even though you did not include the details of the sender Paul, by > posting their *PRIVATE* email for all the world to see, you have proved > yourself to be a completely self righteous, uncouth, hypocritical and > pompous arsehole. > > I agree wholeheartedly with what the person wrote to you, and would > love to by that person a beer (could you please email me offlist so > that I can thank you in person... anything you say will be kept > private). > > Paul - you need to open your mind, stop dictating your narrowminded > viewpoint, and stop trolling this otherwise peaceful list. > > Why do you feel the need to lecture people about their beliefs just > because you think that they are wrong? > > Keep your mind closed if that is what you wish, but for fucks sake give > people the respect for wanting to open theirs. > > - Stuart > > P.S. Kim - sorry for the excess bandwidth. I'll try to paypal you some > more $$'s once I build up my balance. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 15:00:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MItSw19044; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:55:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:55:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.173] X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:53:28 GMT To: spgoodman@earthlight.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030522.145414.9375.64309@webmail11.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4BxVF.A.aoE.J0Rz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I liked your response, I'm a big Zappa fan. The only time I saw him was back in 75 and I must admit my mind was altered.... Back in those days I too thought of coffee and cigs as food. I've changed many of my old habits and so far no stones but I do sneak out for coffee from time to time. Everyone knows though because of the way I act after, oh well.... Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 15:01:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MIxin21226; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:59:00 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Here's a scary example of what I've received MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <33752DE0.2863324A.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you are an asshole. you could have made your point and then kept your mouth shut. but here you are going on again, condemning people, souring the list and making yourself look stupid. "If you use drugs, you have been seduced and have bartered your soul and are possessed by a very invidious demon who will scorn at any effort or entity that invites release." what the hell is this????? do you not realize that drug users are normal society today? there are plenty of very successful people who actually use all sorts of drugs. i don't think hard drugs should be used recreationally, but you don't hear me making an ass of myself on loopers-delight. but seriously, there are TONS of successful pot smokers. laziness can hit anybody-- drug user or not. you mentioned "manipulating a conversation" to find out who supports drug use. gee, you are so amazing. how about "hey class, what do you think about drugs and legalization??" why not try that kind of manipulation. and by the way, you could get a class going probably about lots of other interests as well if you wanted to. so what if kids like to do drugs. and maybe those kids, overall, aren't so involved in school. so what. and then you close your email with a SMILEY FACE??? after basically condemning half the list???? gee, i hope i have your for a teacher some day. p.s. i'm not a drug user - dylan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 15:11:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MJAEr22866; Thu, 22 May 2003 15:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:10:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c32095$0f41eae0$224865d5@elias> From: "Elias Faingersh" To: References: <20030522162602.63744.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:05:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4MJ9rB22777 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is possible. You don't have to use a "gas" pedal to do that. But of course it depends on what controller do you use. I would strongly recomend Berenger FC100. You would be able to use repeater on a different level. Elias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Repeater > Hi Elias, > Yes, i already have it programmed this way but i don´t > like having to rock the pedal back and forth specially > when i am recording.I was looking for a way to do this > with one button press or manually but i guess it isn´t > possible. > louie > > > > > --- Elias Faingersh wrote: > > Midi footcontroller. > > Defalt 64...(CC64) and you are back in bussines. > > > > Elias. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Louie Angulo" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:11 AM > > Subject: Repeater > > > > > > > Repeater users, > > > Is there another way to get the pitch shift and > > tempo > > > on the repeater back to normal quickly instead of > > > rolling the tempo knob back to 120? I sometimes > > turn > > > the repeater on and my loops start way out of > > pitch. > > > Anybody having this problem as well? > > > Louie > > > > > > ===== > > > www.labalou.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 15:11:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MJ95F22676; Thu, 22 May 2003 15:09:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:09:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pot debate Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:08:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2003 19:08:33.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A3FD180:01C32095] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could you tell us (me) a little more about how your finding things with the DD-20 (functionality, the warp and god knows what settings that ive hread about,ect ). Im thinking of getting one to use, like you, alongside my existing rc-20. cheers Phill >From: Weg >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Pot debate >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:28:06 GMT > > >Looping is fun! I started looping last night with the new boss dd20. I >love it as a dd and the sound on sound is great but it doesn't seem long >enough for some of my lengthlier passages. I used it in conjuction with >the Boss RC20 and between the too I got pretty high with some wacked out >loops. The dd20 is a very nice unit for those who want a dedicated delay >with tap tempo at their feet. I was lucky enough to get it for 179 at >sweetwater. I also purchased the new boss dr3 drum machine which also >loops patterns. It can be setup to loop any drum and bass preset or create >your own and store them in one of the 100 user slots. This drum machine >also does a few odd time signatures too. I am just getting started with >these units but the feeling was wonderful! > >Weg > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 15:26:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MJMT224316; Thu, 22 May 2003 15:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:21:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3ECD1590000000F5@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <37657847.217F6A25.007D6382@aol.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: All You Need Is Love To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4MJM0B24228 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wtf? lol... so you flame-bait and then complain that people reacted to it? and then you post a 'scary' example of an email, for what? you get no sympathy from me, and I suspect not much from anyone else reading this discussion... and what's with this "I'm not about to share any more of my real feelings"? The whole thing seems to have blown out of proportion because you weren't expressing your real feelings.... Either speak your truth or don't, but don't start complaining about people reacting to what you say... imo, your harsh words critisizing peoples choices to use drugs were no more friendly than many of the responses... I think you owe some people an apology for how you have acted, and not blame others for reacting strongly to your strong and, as we see now, not sincere diatribe... peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:55:54 -0400 >From: Paulzric@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: All You Need Is Love >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Hi. It's me again. >I posted a supra-conservative, deliberately preachy, and what I thought was >a more or less transparent devil's advocate treatise on pot. I demonized >it and it was fun to write, but, my GOD, the responses... Anyone who knows >me would have giggled at what I wrote. > >I have since received personal threats, been called a "bub," and "idiot," >a "motherfucker," and been cursed up and down >both in public and privately. > >I'm not about to share any more of my real feelings with this group because >#1) apparently it's not safe to, #2) this group is really a place to discuss >techy stuff, as it is not volatile subject matter. I will say this, though. >I'm not recinding my considerations of THC, but they're certainly not in >any way complete. I have lot's to say about power plants, but not here. Not >ever again here. (Yeay!!!) > >I could as easily have written something that was purely in favor of it. >There's the issue of taxation, medicinal use, over-population of prisons >due to petty crimes, and the whole mind/body/spirit connection. I tried, >actually, but it came too late and I was jaded during its writing due to >the overwhelming negativity. > >Maybe that is the grumpiness Mark mentioned, I don't know. > >I am pleased that many took me as someone that had obviously >"never tried it before" and was likened to a blind person. That means that >my writing is pretty convincing. Someone told >me to shut up and play my guitar. Good advice, but Zappa said >it best! > >In summary, I'm really shocked, however, that a multi-faceted topic and a >reflection of one of these angles could draw such vehemence and disdain. >I can't expect close, critical readings >of internet postings, though. My bad. > >I wish you all the best with your musical trials and tribulations, but I >must admit that I am sad that there is not more love here and elsewhere; >love for conservatives, liberals, teachers, poets, engineers, fellow musicians, >and each other's opinions. I did not personally attack anyone but was attacked >en masse by a whole swarm of stinging words. >I said "only drug users will defend using drugs" but didn't >anticipate that they'd attack as well. > >Oh, and that they are a cop-out. "Cop" out... No one saw that, though. I >choose my words as carefully as my notes. I'll >try harder, next time. Seems I'd better or else. But if anyone >would like to continue to verbally attack me...please listen to some Beatles. >Come to think of it, though, please steer clear of Helter Skelter, 'K? >:) >Good-bye. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 15:52:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MJpVK28124; Thu, 22 May 2003 15:51:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:51:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c3209b$81f40ae0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <33752DE0.2863324A.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: Here's a scary example of what I've received Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:51:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really don't think that you should be acting quite as innocent and bewildered as you are considering the quantity of vitriol that you poured out in your original post. I think that another fuse was lit when you spoke of manipulating your classroom discussions. smack hard and you get smacked back, ipso facto. but one thing that really struck me about this thread is a quality of the "looping community" that I have noticed before. Those musicians looping generally fall either to the far left or right. I guess the do-it-yourself psychedelic trip offered by loop gear draws the hippies and heads and the personal control of all that sound draws nazi right wingers who are sick of having to deal with "stoned slacker" musician types. The loopers that I know locally certainly fall either pretty far left or right. Another observation that may or may not be true is that it seems more loopers are conservatively bent than any other single group of musicians outside of the competition, classical set. I am settling into my liberal ways, after having been somewhat conservative in my younger days. But after having to deal with one particular "nazi" for years, I have to say there is room for argument on both sides of this pot issue. Plenty of time is slacked away being stoned at practice, but a stickectomy is sorely needed by some asses, and their music perhaps reflects this. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: Here's a scary example of what I've received > you are an asshole. you could have made your point and then > kept your mouth shut. but here you are going on again, > condemning people, souring the list and making yourself > look stupid. "If you use drugs, you have been > seduced and have bartered your soul and are possessed by a > very invidious demon who will scorn at any effort or entity > that invites release." what the hell is this????? do you > not realize that drug users are normal society today? there > are plenty of very successful people who actually use all > sorts of drugs. i don't think hard drugs should be used > recreationally, but you don't hear me making an ass of > myself on loopers-delight. but seriously, there are TONS of > successful pot smokers. laziness can hit anybody-- drug > user or not. you mentioned "manipulating a conversation" to > find out who supports drug use. gee, you are so amazing. > how about "hey class, what do you think about drugs and > legalization??" why not try that kind of manipulation. and > by the way, you could get a class going probably about lots > of other interests as well if you wanted to. so what if > kids like to do drugs. and maybe those kids, overall, > aren't so involved in school. so what. and then you close > your email with a SMILEY FACE??? after basically condemning > half the list???? gee, i hope i have your for a teacher > some day. > > p.s. i'm not a drug user > > - dylan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:04:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MK19o30816; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:01:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:01:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:00:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Here's a scary example of what I've received Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002b01c3209b$81f40ae0$69894682@lance> Message-Id: <125C1FA0-8C90-11D7-8DDD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah ahah haha hahahhahh, you're killing me! On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 12:51 PM, Lance Chance wrote: > Plenty of time is slacked away being stoned at practice, but a > stickectomy is sorely needed by some asses, and their music perhaps > reflects this. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:19:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MKHJt01029; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:17:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:17:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <108740-220035422201647187@akroeger.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 1, 0 X-EM-Registration: #0000630610931300BB40 X-DeskPilotClientIP: 24.44.80.72 From: "alan@akroeger.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Back to Looping and other Toys, Please... Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:16:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright chill out before Kim feels he needs to step and I seen how that usually cuts the BS off real quick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:22:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MKKla01797; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:19:07 -0400 From: Paulzric@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Here's Where I Get My Information MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2CA2923D.2414EF1A.007D6382@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/index.asp > you are an asshole. you could have made your point and then > kept your mouth shut. but here you are going on again, > condemning people, souring the list and making yourself > look stupid. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:25:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MKDk900573; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:13:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:13:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:13:13 -0700 Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003401c3206e$d2416ba0$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Assuming you want to control the sounds in some way, you'll need the Line6's footpedal, which makes it about equal. On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 07:31 AM, David wrote: > Assuming the Variax and the Roland VG are equally capable in the > "sounds" > department, having it all in the guitar already is nice as it would > mean one > LESS thing to carry around. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:34:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MKVxR03225; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:31:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:31:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522203128.40056.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:31:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5043ADBE.57D917D0.007D6382@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i choose pot before looping because it puts me in an altered state of consciousness. oops...wrong pot! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:41:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MKeUg04136; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:40:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522204013.68076.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: To Paul To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200305221926.h4MJQKl24757@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul, "If you tell someone the truth, you'd better make them smile. Otherwise they're gonna kill you..." Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:50:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MKoBs05132; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:50:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:50:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:49:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I may be half the guitarist, but I gladly trade that for the ability to make music with no expectation of compensation at all. I couldn't do a wedding band thing. Music is too precious to me. Instead, I now do media design. Total sell out, but they don't touch my music. Good luck Andre. I want to believe you'll succeed. In a way, you have. On the fringe your either 1) a hack or 2) too advanced to be understood my most. Either way, it sucks, but I think we can all agree that you're not a hack. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 12:25 AM, ernesto schnack wrote: > On Wed, 21 May 2003 23:11:22 -0700, Andre LaFosse > wrote: >> Now, that's a better fate than assembling Nike shoes for $2.00 an >> hour, >> or crawling out of rubble in Baghdad right now. But when I think >> about >> all the traffic going through my site, and how little of an impact it >> has on my actual day-to-day existence, it makes me wonder how much >> time >> I may have wasted by focusing so intensely on the EDP, as opposed to >> more bread-and-butter things that might actually lead to my generating >> some income from the music-related skills I've been cultivating for >> about 25 years. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MKoV005152; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:50:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:50:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:49:17 -0700 Subject: kissing and making up From: Zoe Keating To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030522204013.68076.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've seen this happen on many a list. unless writers and readers are very mindful, serious debates via email turn into an icky mess of misunderstanding and hurt feelings. facial expression and gesture is such an important part of conversation and i think people naturally soften strong statements with their eyes and hands. i'm sure that if everyone here was in the same room it would be an interesting debate and not a nasty one. lets kiss and make up. zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 17:19:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MLHtY10000; Thu, 22 May 2003 17:17:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:17:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c320a7$8cdc4920$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:17:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree. I don't know if I'm saying this due to sour grape syndrome or if I really believe it (probably both), but my music and my attitude towards its creation improved markedly when I stopped worrying about being paid. Sell out but don't sell them the muse! lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... > I may be half the guitarist, but I gladly trade that for the ability to > make music with no expectation of compensation at all. I couldn't do a > wedding band thing. Music is too precious to me. Instead, I now do > media design. Total sell out, but they don't touch my music. > > Good luck Andre. I want to believe you'll succeed. In a way, you > have. On the fringe your either 1) a hack or 2) too advanced to be > understood my most. Either way, it sucks, but I think we can all agree > that you're not a hack. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 12:25 AM, ernesto schnack wrote: > > > On Wed, 21 May 2003 23:11:22 -0700, Andre LaFosse > > wrote: > >> Now, that's a better fate than assembling Nike shoes for $2.00 an > >> hour, > >> or crawling out of rubble in Baghdad right now. But when I think > >> about > >> all the traffic going through my site, and how little of an impact it > >> has on my actual day-to-day existence, it makes me wonder how much > >> time > >> I may have wasted by focusing so intensely on the EDP, as opposed to > >> more bread-and-butter things that might actually lead to my generating > >> some income from the music-related skills I've been cultivating for > >> about 25 years. > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 18:17:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MMFC117620; Thu, 22 May 2003 18:15:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:15:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030522221455.94957.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: this isn't right. is there something we can do? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, i'm on several email lists. i like them. but sometimes things get out of hand. in other lists i'm on, there's a couple of activities that have been labelled "crossing the line." 2 of these activities are (a) going on and on about a subject when numerous people have requested the thread get dropped, especially if the thread is full of attacks, preaching, and repetition. and (b) posting private email to the list. paulzric@aol.com has done both of these things. he has refused to drop a tired subject, even after repeating himself many times. he has posted numerous one line emails that clogged up everybody's inboxes and didn't contribute to the discussion. and he has posted 2 private emails, one of them even listing my name. powers that be-- is there something that can be done about this? i feel this is crossing the line. loopers-delight is a great community and this is a big smear in it. i will admit i wrote him a PRIVATE email that was a little nasty. although not as nasty, i feel, as what he's been posting to the list. i kept my comments private, between him and me. his reaction was to: respond to my email (and get in the last word), then ban my email address, then post my PRIVATE email to the loopers-delight list including my name. great way to encourage dialogue. i feel this is crossing the line, and something should be done about this. thanks, dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 18:36:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MMZIl19953; Thu, 22 May 2003 18:35:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:35:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "cameron street" To: Subject: RE: From Mr. Onion to Me Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:37:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <2E3C9743.193E0371.007D6382@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This was great poetry. very deep. so does he smoke? haha Kim's gonna jump soon man, i can feel it. so i just bought a DL4 it's great This is from a member of this group, sent directly to me... Keep on using my clear thinking looping peer! "Paul, I do not read much of lists. I do not get high in an illegal drug sense. A major reason I feel people on the list are against you is not because of the defense of drugs but simply because nobody likes someone who is closed-minded, thinks they are so fucking right, looks down on people because they do things you do not like, and so on. I don't care if you are a teacher, who gives a fuck? I just think you are an asshole for for thinking you are so right about a subject. You been there? Great, fuck you and you're dead relatives! I know plenty of people on drugs, with different results. Of course you don't care, you probably laugh at messages like this because you are so stuck on yourself. You are the one with the problems. I'll tell it to you're face. You're drug is you're own self-absorbed pride. I do not have to make a list of great creative people (musicians, artists, directors, poets, authors, etc.) to prove my point of the actual value of drugs to SOME people, I am sure you know plenty yourself. You think you know all the answers? Than you're just further away from the truth motherfucker! I do not feel most of the people who responded to you are offended, I think they just feel sorry for you. It is people like you why I rarely read list groups." That was so loving and thoughtful and sweet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 18:41:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MMdV620590; Thu, 22 May 2003 18:39:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:39:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: , References: <20030522221455.94957.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: WWWOT: Re: this isn't right. is there something we can do? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:38:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2003 22:39:14.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8BA6AE0:01C320B2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > powers that be-- is there something that can be done about > this? Yes, There are two steps you can take: Step one. Start a new thread on something more interesting. If you can avoid discussion gear, or prog-rock musicians, you get a bonus. Here are a few starters: 1. Groovetronica's music is so simply amazing, what can I possibly do to help them achieve a Barabara Streisand-like level of fame and fortune? 2. Yesterday, I replaced the chapman stick in my looping rig with a turntable, for a while. (oops. gear!) discuss. 3. How does one 'practice' looping? 4. I am an improviser, how do I practice 'improvise looping? 5. Has anyone else seen David Torn's painting with guitar? What did you think? I in the process of rebuilding my rig after watching it several times. (Is David Torn a prog-rock musician?) Step two. Ignore assholes. Or better yet, put them in your kill file, so your computer ignores them for you. bIz ------------ www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ "This is all very interesting, and I daresay you already see me frothing at the mouth in a fit; but no, I am not; I am just winking happy thoughts into a little tiddle cup." (Nabokov, Lolita) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 18:58:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MMtsU22432; Thu, 22 May 2003 18:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:55:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ECD5497.EDD282D4@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:52:07 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] Re: Digitech pds / looping practice References: <20030515231542.42331.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6I0f9C.A.jdF.aVVz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finally got around to messing with the internal pots on my beloved Digitech pds-1002, with great results (thanks Tim). There are four pots to mess with inside there, and it took a little while before realizing that just maxing everything out made the delay disappear entirely. I finally managed to goose an additional second of delay out of it - yeah! I also tweaked it so that when the regeneration knob (on the outside) is set above 8, it'll self-oscillate madly. The fidelity suffers, but I'm a big fan of that anyway. I ended up playing with the pedal for a couple of hours outside of my regular looping rig, and realized how great it was to really learn to maximize the capabilities on its own. It seems like people do this with the EDP a lot, and it's a great example to really push the boundaries of everything in your setup (instrument included). It feels like practice, finding out what the equipment can do so that in an improvising situation, one knows what to do to get a certain effect. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 19:23:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MNL6125871; Thu, 22 May 2003 19:21:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:21:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:21:19 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone know... Message-ID: <2147483647.1053627679@localhost> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...where I can find a used Doepfer MAQ 16 thingy. I figure if anyone knows, it might be one of you all. --- www.endtimequartet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 19:52:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4MNokW30012; Thu, 22 May 2003 19:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:50:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: WWWOT: Re: this isn't right. is there something we can do? Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:50:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c320bc$e1fcfde0$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeesh! I'm unsubscribed for a few days... and don't recognize the place when I return! If you don't want somebody to talk about something, then don't talk to them about it. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 20:04:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N03bO00959; Thu, 22 May 2003 20:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:03:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012801c320be$b282d6a0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <33752DE0.2863324A.007D6382@aol.com> <002b01c3209b$81f40ae0$69894682@lance> Subject: Re: Here's a scary example of what I've received Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:55:34 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <5PArfB.A.hN.DVWz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Lance Chance" put forth: > I really don't think that you should be acting quite as innocent and > bewildered as you are considering the quantity of vitriol that you poured > out in your original post. I think that another fuse was lit when you > spoke of manipulating your classroom discussions. smack hard and you get > smacked back, ipso facto. This is the nature of Das Infobahn, as well as remote communications in general. Carnegie-Mellon U did a study on this in the mid-80s, and found that people without a doubt were "brutally honest" most of the time, when they weren't facing the person they were addressing. This was assumed in their study not to be a result of an absence of the fear of verbal retribution most folks are introduced to early on in life, but rather a result of the absence of constraint of any kind. It will no doubt be debated in this regard for some time. I feel it's a little of both. Some of us are motivated by fear, some of us are not. Some are restrained in their responses to anyone while others are completely transparent and uncontrolled in their expressions of opinion. I think the increased communication short of libel, slander, and personal, viable threats is a good thing. > but one thing that really struck me about this thread is a quality of the > "looping community" that I have noticed before. Those musicians looping > generally fall either to the far left or right. I guess the do-it-yourself > psychedelic trip offered by loop gear draws the hippies and heads and the > personal control of all that sound draws nazi right wingers who are sick of > having to deal with "stoned slacker" musician types. The loopers that I > know locally certainly fall either pretty far left or right. I've been thought to be leftist and (lately) right-wing by some on this list alone. I'm more non-aligned libertarian-based in actuality. I don't think black-white classifications fit, especially in a creative group of people, most of which tend to realize the value of the nth degrees of grey areas of thinking on occasion, as opposed to just reacting to things. > Another > observation that may or may not be true is that it seems more loopers are > conservatively bent than any other single group of musicians outside of the > competition, classical set. Um, I think a lot of folks here would have violent difference with that. Or already have...! Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > I am settling into my liberal ways, after having been somewhat conservative > in my younger days. But after having to deal with one particular "nazi" > for years, I have to say there is room for argument on both sides of this > pot issue. Plenty of time is slacked away being stoned at practice, but a > stickectomy is sorely needed by some asses, and their music perhaps reflects > this. > lance > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:59 PM > Subject: Here's a scary example of what I've received > > > > you are an asshole. you could have made your point and then > > kept your mouth shut. but here you are going on again, > > condemning people, souring the list and making yourself > > look stupid. "If you use drugs, you have been > > seduced and have bartered your soul and are possessed by a > > very invidious demon who will scorn at any effort or entity > > that invites release." what the hell is this????? do you > > not realize that drug users are normal society today? there > > are plenty of very successful people who actually use all > > sorts of drugs. i don't think hard drugs should be used > > recreationally, but you don't hear me making an ass of > > myself on loopers-delight. but seriously, there are TONS of > > successful pot smokers. laziness can hit anybody-- drug > > user or not. you mentioned "manipulating a conversation" to > > find out who supports drug use. gee, you are so amazing. > > how about "hey class, what do you think about drugs and > > legalization??" why not try that kind of manipulation. and > > by the way, you could get a class going probably about lots > > of other interests as well if you wanted to. so what if > > kids like to do drugs. and maybe those kids, overall, > > aren't so involved in school. so what. and then you close > > your email with a SMILEY FACE??? after basically condemning > > half the list???? gee, i hope i have your for a teacher > > some day. > > > > p.s. i'm not a drug user > > > > - dylan > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 20:05:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N03Uw00951; Thu, 22 May 2003 20:03:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:03:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012a01c320be$b4480640$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030522203128.40056.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:02:29 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You need a 1K pot for that. > i choose pot before looping because it puts me in an > altered state of consciousness. oops...wrong pot! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 20:09:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N03cI00961; Thu, 22 May 2003 20:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:03:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012901c320be$b37e9bc0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <2CA2923D.2414EF1A.007D6382@aol.com> Subject: Re: Here's Where I Get My Information Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:02:01 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com opined having received: > > you are an asshole. you could have made your point and then > > kept your mouth shut. but here you are going on again, > > condemning people, souring the list and making yourself > > look stupid. The following from you isn't exactly an invitation to tea: From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 17:12:PM > > > Steve Goodman > > EarthLight Productions > > I'll be sure to contact THIS company!!! I've flamed quite a number of times over the past several years, either the result of living in the UK, being married, having left LA just when the ambient scene for all intents and purposes exploded, or all of the above. But I've not threatened anyone just because I disagree with their viewpoint. I don't believe in threatening people in general, but apparently you do, so I'll let it drop at that. It doesn't matter that EarthLight Productions is my company since you didn't know that until I said so. A look at my web pages - url'ed in my sig - might have told you this and spared yez this altogether. So forget it, and let's get on with the rest of our lives. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 20:12:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N09jx01697; Thu, 22 May 2003 20:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:09:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523000922.74909.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:09:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <696DD3B6.6CFE859F.007D6382@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's actually a flower. You can twist slang to benefit your views however you want, but the fact remains, none of us have ever resorted to theft, prostitution, murder, or other drugs as a last resort. Nor have any of us ran over kids, raped girls, or shot another kid in the face. Unless there are actually crackhead hookers who loop here? --- Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/21/2003 9:04:46 PM Eastern > Standard Time, cello@zoekeating.com writes: > > > How marvelous it must feel to be so right. > > It does feel pretty good, actually. It feels right > to me. > I thought I'd share my very passionate feelings on > the subject > of drugs and creativity. I offended plenty and have > rallied > very few. Some call my views extreme, others > discount me as > obviously not knowing what I'm talking about. (Now > there's an > example of "feeling" right.) Others accuse me of > being a reflex. How insulting. I didn't attack > anyone per se. Why do you feel justified in doing > so? Are the drugs affecting you > that much? > > Drugs are a prison. And just like in prison, no one > is "guilty." If you use drugs, you have been seduced > and have > bartered your soul and are possessed by a very > invidious demon > who will scorn at any effort or entity that invites > release. > I know. I've been there. There's no way out unless > you quit. > When I mentioned being a teacher, some instantly > assumed > high school or whatever. Not the case. Talk about > knee jerk > and assumptions and whatnot. Universities > teem with teens who think dope is where it's at. I > thought > drugs were groovy once upon a time, too. I'm in > earnest here, > people. I shouldn't be surprised how angry the demon > makes > some people, though. > > As for Kim and this thread and his anger... I don't > see how > this thread is inappropriate. Last night I sat down > to loop, > and I didn't do pot before it. I like exploring the > deep and powerful places within this human life > without > clouding my mind with marajuana, and I would like to > find other > musicians who are capable of doing the same, and > this is > relevant to this group. Anyone who verbally attacks > me can > make arrangements to do so in person. Okay? > My beef is with the drugs and the cartel and the > possessors of > the soul. It's a WEED, folks. Like poison ivy. > Beware is all > I suggest. Be very wary. > > :) > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 20:28:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N0RCU04053; Thu, 22 May 2003 20:27:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:27:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523002700.69097.qmail@web20810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Subject: Re: Even more OT: why pot before looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c501c3204d$a2c07b80$0201a8c0@eluk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not Scientologists alone that think MODERN psychology is outfitting a social and corporate agenda rather than a personal benefit for all who use it. Granted, some folks need help, but kids don't need to be drugged, nor do they need to be sat in front of a TV all day. I'm an atheist, and am also not in a cult either. I believe in parenting, not pacification while the parents sit on their ass. --- Steve Goodman wrote: > "Tim" put forth: > > Children using drugs, and using them > irresponsibly, > > isn't a good example to use when arguing against > pot. > > Especially when many teachers are for pumping > their > > students full of pharmaceuticals, which is utter > > hypocrisy. I don't smoke cigarettes, don't drink, > and > > I enjoy weed and a few psychedelics. I started as > an > > adult at the age of 18. > > > > Sorry, please don't say you believe all that crap > that $cientologists like > Lisa Marie Presley and Isaac Hayes have been sent > out to say about the "evil > psychologists" drugging our children into > submission. $cientology is a ufo > mind-control nazi-style cult, pure and simple. > Check out > alt.religion.scientology for a few weeks, or > http://www.xenu.net for the > truth about their rabid campaign against Ritalin > etc., as well as their > "Black PR" persecution campaigns on anyone who > disagrees with them publicly. > > I'll not discuss this further here. > > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily > Cartoon > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via > Medialine! > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 20:46:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N0iPw05975; Thu, 22 May 2003 20:44:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:44:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017b01c320c4$6d4f53a0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030523000922.74909.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:43:45 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 01:09:AM Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* > It's actually a flower. You can twist slang to benefit > your views however you want, but the fact remains, > none of us have ever resorted to theft, prostitution, > murder, or other drugs as a last resort. Nor have any > of us ran over kids, raped girls, or shot another kid > in the face. > > Unless there are actually crackhead hookers who loop > here? Nah, they've most likely sold all their gear. Crack is a Bad Thing. > --- Paulzric@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/21/2003 9:04:46 PM Eastern > > Standard Time, cello@zoekeating.com writes: > > > > > How marvelous it must feel to be so right. > > > > It does feel pretty good, actually. It feels right > > to me. > > I thought I'd share my very passionate feelings on > > the subject > > of drugs and creativity. I offended plenty and have > > rallied > > very few. Some call my views extreme, others > > discount me as > > obviously not knowing what I'm talking about. (Now > > there's an > > example of "feeling" right.) Others accuse me of > > being a reflex. How insulting. I didn't attack > > anyone per se. Why do you feel justified in doing > > so? Are the drugs affecting you > > that much? > > > > Drugs are a prison. And just like in prison, no one > > is "guilty." If you use drugs, you have been seduced > > and have > > bartered your soul and are possessed by a very > > invidious demon > > who will scorn at any effort or entity that invites > > release. > > I know. I've been there. There's no way out unless > > you quit. > > When I mentioned being a teacher, some instantly > > assumed > > high school or whatever. Not the case. Talk about > > knee jerk > > and assumptions and whatnot. Universities > > teem with teens who think dope is where it's at. I > > thought > > drugs were groovy once upon a time, too. I'm in > > earnest here, > > people. I shouldn't be surprised how angry the demon > > makes > > some people, though. > > > > As for Kim and this thread and his anger... I don't > > see how > > this thread is inappropriate. Last night I sat down > > to loop, > > and I didn't do pot before it. I like exploring the > > deep and powerful places within this human life > > without > > clouding my mind with marajuana, and I would like to > > find other > > musicians who are capable of doing the same, and > > this is > > relevant to this group. Anyone who verbally attacks > > me can > > make arrangements to do so in person. Okay? > > My beef is with the drugs and the cartel and the > > possessors of > > the soul. It's a WEED, folks. Like poison ivy. > > Beware is all > > I suggest. Be very wary. > > > > :) > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 20:51:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N0o4w06481; Thu, 22 May 2003 20:50:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:50:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: ernestodiazinfante@yahoo.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, junkmusic@yahoogroups.com, oddmusic@yahoogroups.com, experimental_music@yahoogroups.com, ba-newmus.events@ella.mills.edu Subject: 2003 Big Sur Experimental Music Festival (Sound/Shift) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:49:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 00:49:34.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DA54D80:01C320C5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Big Sur Experimental Music Festival 2003 presents Sound/Shift Big Sur Saturday, May 31st 12:00 - 8:00 pm Sunday, June 1st, 12:00 - 8:00 pm Henry Miller Memorial Library Highway One Big Sur, California USA 831-667-2574 $10 for 1 day / $15 for both days Since 1999, The Big Sur Experimental Music Festival has presented a wide variety of adventurous modern music: electronic, experimental improv, noise, free-jazz and ambient music from artists across the USA, Europe and Australia. This year, the festival will be presented in the revolutionary format of a "Sound/Shift". This type of event, the brainchild of Baltimore event organizer John Berndt, brings large numbers of musicians together to collaborate in unpredicted ways, often with stunning results. For the Big Sur event, approximately 100 musicians will be placed in overlapping shifts, often with people they've never played with before. The group sizes range from 3 to 30, with an average of 4-5 musicians performing at any given time. With at least one personnel switch every 10 minutes, the audience will be treated to the equivalent of 96 different ensembles over the course of two 8-hour "pieces". What does 7.5 tons of musician sound like? Come find out! This is a benefit for the Henry Miller Memorial Library. A complete listing of musicians is below. For a schedule, please visit: www.paxrecordings.com/soundshiftbigsur.html For a list of local accomodations, check out www.bigsurcalifornia.org If you're trying to find the place on a mapping website, it's very close to 48865 Highway One, Big Sur. For more info, contact Ernesto Diaz-Infante (itzat@earthlink.net) or Matt Davignon (mattdavignon@hotmail.com). 99 Hooker (Sax/Spoken Word), Glenn Bach (Laptop), Joe Balestreri (Trumpet/Laptop), John Berndt (Reeds), C J Reaven Borosque (Prepared Guitar), Brassiosaurus (Trumpet/Trombone/Tuba), Jon Brumit (Turntable/Sampler/FX), Jessica Catron (Cello), Michael Cooke (Woodwinds/Sax), Phil Curtis (Laptop), Andre Custodio (Synth), darph/nadeR (Guitar/Synth/Percussion/Voice), Matt Davignon (Turntable/Tape/Cd), Ernesto Diaz-Infante (Guitar), Thomas Dimuzio (Sampler), Jason Ditzian (Clarinet/Bamboo Sax), Tom Djll (Trumpet), Jeremy Drake (Amplified Acoustic Guitar), James Edmiston (Bass), Bryan Eubanks (Reeds), James Fearnley (Accordion), Marcos Fernandes (Electronics/Percussion), Jem Finer (Guitar/Toys/Radio), Curtis Glatter (Percussion), Lance Grabmiller (Laptop), Jonathon Grasse (Guitar), Wayne Grim (Guitar), Emily Hay (Flute), Damon Holzborn (Guitar/Electronics), Nathan Hubbard (Junk/Electronics), Matt Ingalls (Bagpipes), David Javelosa (Synthesizers/Electronics), Aurora Josephson (Voice), Mike Kaufmann (Claribone), David Kendall (Bass/Amplifier), Michael Khoury (Violin), Kid Sandor (Voice), Jai Young Kim (Keyboards), Alexander Kort (Cello), Eric Kuehnl (Laptop), Marina Lazzara (Voice/Guitar), Cheryl Leonard (Violin), Nathan Levine (Bass), Jacob Lindsay (Bass Clarinet), Scott Looney (Laptop/Electronics), Man Manly (Field Recordings/Noise), Marianne McDonald (Harp), Jason Mears (Woodwinds), Kristen Miltner (Laptop), Robert Montoya (Electronics), David Nadal (Guitar/Loops), The Noodles (Electronics/Synth/Bass), Peter Nyboer (Laptop), Onlythenightheardthewordstheysaid (Guitar/Bass/Synth), Simon O'Rorke (Percussion,)Noah Phillips (Guitar), Jesse Quattro (Voice/FX), Alwyn Quebideaux (Guitar), Raven (Viola), Jason Robinson (Sax/Electronics), Rent Romus (Reeds/Things), Sean Rooney (Laptop), Josie Roth(Viola/Electronics), LX Rudis (Synth), Stephen Ruiz (Electronics), Thomas Scandura (Electronic Percussion), Sara Schoenbeck (Bassoon), Jeff Schwartz (Double Bass), Rev. Screaming Fingers (Guitar), John Shiurba (Guitar), SKIZMZ (Multi-Instruments), Justin Sondstrum (Drums), Pablo St. Chaos (Guitar), Moe! Staiano (Percussion/Abuse), Zeke Talbot (Guitar/Etc), Adam Tobin (Spontaneous Textual Composition), Max Valentino (Bass/Loops), Peter Valsamis (Drums), Douglas Wadle (Trombone), Chris Ward (Upright Bass), Wobbly (Sampler), Aaron Ximm (Field Recordings), Ian Yeager (Guitar), Alex Yeung (Guitar), The Sound/Shift Improvising Orchestra _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 21:11:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N18cc09911; Thu, 22 May 2003 21:08:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:08:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c320c7$d19b6a30$bf08fc0c@amd> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Sell out... Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:08:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A question I have always wondered about is: "Are great musicians professionals because they are great -- or, are great musicians great because they are professionals?" Kind of the old chicken and egg question, where both answers are ultimately true for different cases. Being a working mid-level musician has its good points and its bad points, but it's certainly not for everybody at every stage of life. PROS - I can "work" (that consists of giving lessons, and playing gigs) about 20 hours a week, and get by. That includes buying the occasional piece of electronic music gear. Practicing isn't working to me. - Working that little gives me plenty of time to practice, read Loopers Delight, and learn about whatever the hell I want to. - When I'm at "work," I'm practicing my craft. - Sometimes I'll get gigs where I can really let loose. CONS - Can't even begin to think of having a family and buying a house like this. - When I play a shitty gig where no one listens and the other musicians are hacks, I feel like a whore. But, to me, right now, it's worth it. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... > I may be half the guitarist, but I gladly trade that for the ability to > make music with no expectation of compensation at all. I couldn't do a > wedding band thing. Music is too precious to me. Instead, I now do > media design. Total sell out, but they don't touch my music. > > Good luck Andre. I want to believe you'll succeed. In a way, you > have. On the fringe your either 1) a hack or 2) too advanced to be > understood my most. Either way, it sucks, but I think we can all agree > that you're not a hack. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 23:43:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N3gnY28381; Thu, 22 May 2003 23:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:42:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:46:34 -0500 Subject: enough is enough already! From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boy do I miss Rick Walker's sense of humor on this f-----g thread...Can we just let it rest!!!..tr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 00:26:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N4Pxq01231; Fri, 23 May 2003 00:25:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:25:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:25:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: enough is enough already! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:46 PM -0500 5/22/03, Tom Roady wrote: >Boy do I miss Rick Walker's sense of humor on this f-----g thread... What "fucking" thread? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 00:59:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N4xD205569; Fri, 23 May 2003 00:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:57:53 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: enough is enough already! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <019601c320e7$de405c80$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > At 10:46 PM -0500 5/22/03, Tom Roady wrote: > >Boy do I miss Rick Walker's sense of humor on this f-----g thread... > > What "fucking" thread? Off topic and beating a dead horse. Let it go folks. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 01:09:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N59I306478; Fri, 23 May 2003 01:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <3EC9E805.73C86008@earthlink.net> Subject: Loopstock 2003 mp3 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:08:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 05:08:56.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[69712F40:01C320E9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all- I've finally started to sort through some of the recordings I made at Loopstock 2003. I started with the improvised trio piece with Max Valentino, Bill Walker, and I, which closed the show. With a little editing for time, but otherwise a basic 2-track live recording; I've got an mp3 for y'all to download: www.jondrums.com click on: "listen", then "memaxbill.mp3" (sorry my web skills somewhat lack, and my server is wacked somewhat, so I can't give you a direct link) Jon details: ----------- Max Valentino: Bass, loops via Jamman (Bob Sellon upgraded unit) Bill Walker: Guitar, Midi Guitar, loops via Repeater Jon Wagner: Udu drum, Tongue drum, drum set, loops via EDP and Repeater We were all linked via midi clock Thanks to Hans for putting the whole show together! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 01:13:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N5DNE06966; Fri, 23 May 2003 01:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <019601c320e7$de405c80$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <019601c320e7$de405c80$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:12:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: enough is enough already! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:57 AM -0400 5/23/03, David Beardsley wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Zvonar" > >> At 10:46 PM -0500 5/22/03, Tom Roady wrote: >> >Boy do I miss Rick Walker's sense of humor on this f-----g thread... >> >> What "fucking" thread? > >Off topic and beating a dead horse. > >Let it go folks. I simply asked what thread he was referring to. I'm not beating any dead horse because I didn't know there was a horse, much less a dead one, to be beaten. You didn't answer my question either. What fucking thread are you both referring to? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 01:44:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N5i2109762; Fri, 23 May 2003 01:44:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:44:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523054336.15280.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 mp3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9JbGcD.A.EYC.KUbz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > (sorry my web skills somewhat lack, and my server is > wacked somewhat, so I > can't give you a direct link) > http://63.192.219.2/mp3s/memaxbill.mp3 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 02:40:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N6d9315831; Fri, 23 May 2003 02:39:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:39:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: enough is enough already! Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:37:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c320f5$ca6ea0f0$6401a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You didn't answer my question either. What fucking thread are you both referring to? -- Pot or not Someone got overwrought From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 02:49:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N6llD16524; Fri, 23 May 2003 02:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523064726.52310.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:47:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Virtual guitars amps etc. live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With all of the virtuality coming out i am getting with time more interested in this subject, not having to carry so much equipment is certainly appealing.I see people like Adrian Belew leaving their refigerators at home and simplifying to a johnson amp.I was never interested in modeling amps or things like the Roland VGs or VAs or Line 6 but i am hearing good things about them.Has anybody tried this virtual amps and guitar modelers live? Do they really cut through drums?are they worth the money? Louie --- mark wrote: > Assuming you want to control the sounds in some way, > you'll need the > Line6's footpedal, which makes it about equal. > > On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 07:31 AM, David > wrote: > > > Assuming the Variax and the Roland VG are equally > capable in the > > "sounds" > > department, having it all in the guitar already is > nice as it would > > mean one > > LESS thing to carry around. > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 03:10:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N7A2c19309; Fri, 23 May 2003 03:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 03:10:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522235248.00b28f60@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:09:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 mp3 In-Reply-To: References: <3EC9E805.73C86008@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon, Max, Bill, That one was really good! I still haven't gotten to watch the tapes I shot, but then again I haven't really told everyone "Thanks" either. Please post some more mp3s if you have time. Thanks to all the Loopstock 2003 people! Anybody want to do it again next year? -Hans At 22:08 22/05/2003, you wrote: >Hey all- > > I've finally started to sort through some of the recordings I made at >Loopstock 2003. I started with the improvised trio piece with Max >Valentino, Bill Walker, and I, which closed the show. With a little editing >for time, but otherwise a basic 2-track live recording; I've got an mp3 for >y'all to download: > >www.jondrums.com >click on: "listen", then "memaxbill.mp3" > >(sorry my web skills somewhat lack, and my server is wacked somewhat, so I >can't give you a direct link) > >Jon > >details: >----------- >Max Valentino: Bass, loops via Jamman (Bob Sellon upgraded unit) >Bill Walker: Guitar, Midi Guitar, loops via Repeater >Jon Wagner: Udu drum, Tongue drum, drum set, loops via EDP and Repeater >We were all linked via midi clock >Thanks to Hans for putting the whole show together! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 03:24:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N7NvB20289; Fri, 23 May 2003 03:23:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 03:23:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523072337.54594.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:23:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: RE: All You Need Is Love To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3ECD1590000000F5@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul, you know man in Holland as you know pot smoking is legal now in Swizerland is tolerated you can smoke it in Bars or buy it legally provided you have a swiss ID, in Germany there are lots of plantantions of "Hanf", you can drink beer here anywhere you want,in cinemas,trains,buses,etc.(without having it to hide in a paper bag like in the U.S)people smoke eveywhere,prostitution here is legal as well...i guess the moral of this is, is there less pot smoking in the U.S. because of prohibition or less alcoholism?are kids masturbated illed because they see tits from women here openly when they go swimming or in magazines,or because prostitution is legal?Is there less crime in the U.S. because prohibition?Is society better in muslim countries where alcohol or drugs are condemned?Are we ever going to be able to clean up society from cafeine,tabacco,drugs,alcohol,prostitution etc.?Has society become less decadent since the times of Christ? I would have to do serious research to argue this but this subject could go on forever because one problem gets solved and another one will come out and i guess its in our nature to try to solve things for others but not necessarily a solution. Peace louie --- Chris Roberts wrote: > wtf? lol... so you flame-bait and then complain that > people reacted to it? > and then you post a 'scary' example of an email, for > what? you get no sympathy > from me, and I suspect not much from anyone else > reading this discussion... > and what's with this "I'm not about to share any > more of my real feelings"? > The whole thing seems to have blown out of > proportion because you weren't > expressing your real feelings.... > > Either speak your truth or don't, but don't start > complaining about people > reacting to what you say... imo, your harsh words > critisizing peoples choices > to use drugs were no more friendly than many of the > responses... I think > you owe some people an apology for how you have > acted, and not blame others > for reacting strongly to your strong and, as we see > now, not sincere diatribe... > > peace > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:55:54 -0400 > >From: Paulzric@aol.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: All You Need Is Love > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >Hi. It's me again. > >I posted a supra-conservative, deliberately > preachy, and what I thought > was > >a more or less transparent devil's advocate > treatise on pot. I demonized > >it and it was fun to write, but, my GOD, the > responses... Anyone who knows > >me would have giggled at what I wrote. > > > >I have since received personal threats, been called > a "bub," and "idiot," > >a "motherfucker," and been cursed up and down > >both in public and privately. > > > >I'm not about to share any more of my real feelings > with this group because > >#1) apparently it's not safe to, #2) this group is > really a place to discuss > >techy stuff, as it is not volatile subject matter. > I will say this, though. > >I'm not recinding my considerations of THC, but > they're certainly not in > >any way complete. I have lot's to say about power > plants, but not here. > Not > >ever again here. (Yeay!!!) > > > >I could as easily have written something that was > purely in favor of it. > >There's the issue of taxation, medicinal use, > over-population of prisons > >due to petty crimes, and the whole mind/body/spirit > connection. I tried, > >actually, but it came too late and I was jaded > during its writing due to > >the overwhelming negativity. > > > >Maybe that is the grumpiness Mark mentioned, I > don't know. > > > >I am pleased that many took me as someone that had > obviously > >"never tried it before" and was likened to a blind > person. That means that > >my writing is pretty convincing. Someone told > >me to shut up and play my guitar. Good advice, but > Zappa said > >it best! > > > >In summary, I'm really shocked, however, that a > multi-faceted topic and > a > >reflection of one of these angles could draw such > vehemence and disdain. > >I can't expect close, critical readings > >of internet postings, though. My bad. > > > >I wish you all the best with your musical trials > and tribulations, but > I > >must admit that I am sad that there is not more > love here and elsewhere; > >love for conservatives, liberals, teachers, poets, > engineers, fellow musicians, > >and each other's opinions. I did not personally > attack anyone but was attacked > >en masse by a whole swarm of stinging words. > >I said "only drug users will defend using drugs" > but didn't > >anticipate that they'd attack as well. > > > >Oh, and that they are a cop-out. "Cop" out... No > one saw that, though. > I > >choose my words as carefully as my notes. I'll > >try harder, next time. Seems I'd better or else. > But if anyone > >would like to continue to verbally attack > me...please listen to some Beatles. > >Come to think of it, though, please steer clear of > Helter Skelter, 'K? > > >:) > >Good-bye. > > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 05:04:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N94JA29826; Fri, 23 May 2003 05:04:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:04:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523090401.46613.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:04:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: BOOS rc20 vs. Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would also be interested in this comparison and their pros and cons for live looping. louie --- lol c wrote: > Could you tell us (me) a little more about how your > finding things with the > DD-20 (functionality, the warp and god knows what > settings that ive hread > about,ect ). Im thinking of getting one to use, > like you, alongside my > existing rc-20. > > cheers Phill > > > >From: Weg > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Pot debate > >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:28:06 GMT > > > > > >Looping is fun! I started looping last night with > the new boss dd20. I > >love it as a dd and the sound on sound is great but > it doesn't seem long > >enough for some of my lengthlier passages. I used > it in conjuction with > >the Boss RC20 and between the too I got pretty high > with some wacked out > >loops. The dd20 is a very nice unit for those who > want a dedicated delay > >with tap tempo at their feet. I was lucky enough > to get it for 179 at > >sweetwater. I also purchased the new boss dr3 drum > machine which also > >loops patterns. It can be setup to loop any drum > and bass preset or create > >your own and store them in one of the 100 user > slots. This drum machine > >also does a few odd time signatures too. I am just > getting started with > >these units but the feeling was wonderful! > > > >Weg > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone > http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 05:08:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N97wK30094; Fri, 23 May 2003 05:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:07:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523090744.46988.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:07:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030522181135.99179.qmail@web21512.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow,really? he has such a fat tone on those Cds i swore it was something sofisticated like a Gretsch.I also saw him in switzerland playing with a lne6 DL4 but he didn´t do much looping. --- Squid Loop wrote: > Mark Ribot likes to use cheap Sears guitars on his > records because of the challenge of playing one of > those things ... he used one on the first Prostetic > Cubans cd. > > > --- Paul wrote: > > << relatively low quality, -to me at least, that > > impacts the general quality > > of the > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat copy, > > > >> > > > > Totally irrelevant. Heck, my first guitar was a > > cheap Harmony. Years later, > > my nephew inheirited the ax and he was using it > > while playing with his band. > > > > I've often wanted to buy one of the cheapest > guitars > > at a mail order joint > > just to see what I could do with it. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Goddess" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:46 AM > > Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's > > guess; > > > > > > Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. > > -Considering that it has a bit > > of > > > trouble staying in tune, and most of the > hardware > > on it is relatively low > > > quality, -to me at least, that impacts the > general > > quality of the > > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat > copy, > > according to the > > > line-6 rep. -or at least the model that he'd > > demoed with some of the > > > employees at the store where I teach, was. This > > is why I'm concerned. > > > -With issues like that, the modeling just > doesn't > > justify spending that > > > kind of money to me. -That's all... -just my > > opinion, and perhaps they > > > will, or have already upgraded the guitar. > -It's > > certainly possible. > > > I'll still try one for myself... > > > > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: > > > ><< what I know from co-workers who've tried > it, > > is basically a really > > cheap > > > >strat >> > > > > > > > >But.... > > > > > > > >Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's > > guess; i.e. that there's a > > 50% > > > >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in the > > software/hardware/development > > > >end (per the article on the Variax in Guitar > > Player). > > > > > > > >However, there are some nice axes available now > > in the approx. $500 price > > > >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 which is > > really well-made for the > > > >price point. I also bought a close out of a > > Jackson DK-2S with the > > Sustainer > > > >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and decked > > out for 4 big ones. > > 'Course, > > > >if it's a $149 item, that's another story. > > > > > > > >Regarsd, Paul > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Goddess" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM > > > >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > > > > > >> What bothers me about this though, is that > > the guitar itself, from > > what > > > >I > > > >> know from co-workers who've tried it, is > > basically a really cheap > > strat, > > > >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of money > > for an instrument, > > > >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just my > > thoughts... > > > >> > > > >> Smiles, > > > >> > > > >> Cara > > > >> > > > >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: > > > >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM > Eastern > > Daylight Time, > > > >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > So how much are this sweeties? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price will > be > > about $999.00.....i was > > > >> >surprised by the very positive reviews on > both > > accounts and the talk > > of > > > >> >expandability in the near future, ability to > > download new models > > (sounds) > > > >> >into the variax and directly connect to a > > puter for those of that > > > >> >bent.....michael > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --- > > > >> > > > >> "The only things I really think are > > important, are love, and > > eachother. > > > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > > > >> > > > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > >> > > > >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > > >> > > > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > > >> > > > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > "The only things I really think are important, > > are love, and eachother. > > > -Then, anything is possible..." > > > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > > > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 05:13:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N9CbW30452; Fri, 23 May 2003 05:12:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:12:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523091223.48890.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:12:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <698D77D8-8C74-11D7-969A-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8rosU.A.cbH.9Xez-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes thank you, this works but not before doing any looping and predefining the tempo.Its weird before it would do this ocasionally and now is doing it all the time and i don´t sync both the EDP and repeater anymore. louie --- sheila & joe wrote: > Hi Louie > > If I understand your question... > To return tempo back to 120 simply depress and hold > down the tap tempo > button for about 2-3 seconds, same thing for pitch > except you depress > the > pitch button. > > On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 11:11 PM, Louie > Angulo wrote: > > > Repeater users, > > Is there another way to get the pitch shift and > tempo > > on the repeater back to normal quickly instead of > > rolling the tempo knob back to 120? I sometimes > turn > > the repeater on and my loops start way out of > pitch. > > Anybody having this problem as well? > > Louie > > > > ===== > > www.labalou.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 05:14:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N9D2j30568; Fri, 23 May 2003 05:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:13:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c3210b$7b052f00$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030523072337.54594.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: All You Need Is Love Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:12:09 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Somehow it works: I'm working on a cover of an old Neil Young song you won't find on anything but old cassette or vinyl called "Walk On", whose refrain goes: Ooh baby that's hard to change I can't tell them how to feel Some get stoned, some get strange Sooner or later, it all gets real Walk on. Walk on. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 05:14:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N9DwP30629; Fri, 23 May 2003 05:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:13:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523091339.68956.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030522163725.44382.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5KxPnC.A.UeH.IZez-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Greg ill try this! --- Greg House wrote: > Louie, > > You can do it! From the front panel, press the pitch > button to select tracks (it > should select all tracks by default, you can > deselect ones you don't want changed > by pressing the track buttons), then press it again > and hold it down for a second > or two. All the pitch shifts will revert to > original. I think it works the same > way for the pan settings too. > > For tempo, just hold down the tap tempo button. > > I don't have a midi pedal programmed to do this, so > I always use the front panel > for this. > > Greg > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > Hi Elias, > > Yes, i already have it programmed this way but i > don´t > > like having to rock the pedal back and forth > specially > > when i am recording.I was looking for a way to do > this > > with one button press or manually but i guess it > isn´t > > possible. > > louie > > > > > > > > > > --- Elias Faingersh > wrote: > > > Midi footcontroller. > > > Defalt 64...(CC64) and you are back in bussines. > > > > > > Elias. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Louie Angulo" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:11 AM > > > Subject: Repeater > > > > > > > > > > Repeater users, > > > > Is there another way to get the pitch shift > and > > > tempo > > > > on the repeater back to normal quickly instead > of > > > > rolling the tempo knob back to 120? I > sometimes > > > turn > > > > the repeater on and my loops start way out of > > > pitch. > > > > Anybody having this problem as well? > > > > Louie > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 05:39:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N9d2032606; Fri, 23 May 2003 05:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:39:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523093849.53261.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Subject: RE: All You Need Is Love To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030523072337.54594.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Holland has 40% less pot smokers per capita than America. And the lowest amount of hard drug users in all of Europe. The "taboo" idea of drugs in the USA causes more use and abuse. You have a fine system there. --- Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi Paul, > you know man in Holland as you know pot smoking is > legal now in Swizerland is tolerated you can smoke > it > in Bars or buy it legally provided you have a swiss > ID, in Germany there are lots of plantantions of > "Hanf", you can drink beer here anywhere you want,in > cinemas,trains,buses,etc.(without having it to hide > in > a paper bag like in the U.S)people smoke > eveywhere,prostitution here is legal as well...i > guess > the moral of this is, is there less pot smoking in > the > U.S. because of prohibition or less alcoholism?are > kids masturbated illed because they see tits from > women here openly when they go swimming or in > magazines,or because prostitution is legal?Is there > less crime in the U.S. because prohibition?Is > society > better in muslim countries where alcohol or drugs > are > condemned?Are we ever going to be able to clean up > society from > cafeine,tabacco,drugs,alcohol,prostitution etc.?Has > society become less decadent since the times of > Christ? > I would have to do serious research to argue this > but > this subject could go on forever because one problem > gets solved and another one will come out and i > guess > its in our nature to try to solve things for others > but not necessarily a solution. > Peace > louie > > > > > > > > > > --- Chris Roberts wrote: > > wtf? lol... so you flame-bait and then complain > that > > people reacted to it? > > and then you post a 'scary' example of an email, > for > > what? you get no sympathy > > from me, and I suspect not much from anyone else > > reading this discussion... > > and what's with this "I'm not about to share any > > more of my real feelings"? > > The whole thing seems to have blown out of > > proportion because you weren't > > expressing your real feelings.... > > > > Either speak your truth or don't, but don't start > > complaining about people > > reacting to what you say... imo, your harsh words > > critisizing peoples choices > > to use drugs were no more friendly than many of > the > > responses... I think > > you owe some people an apology for how you have > > acted, and not blame others > > for reacting strongly to your strong and, as we > see > > now, not sincere diatribe... > > > > peace > > -cpr > > > > >-- Original Message -- > > >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:55:54 -0400 > > >From: Paulzric@aol.com > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: All You Need Is Love > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > >Hi. It's me again. > > >I posted a supra-conservative, deliberately > > preachy, and what I thought > > was > > >a more or less transparent devil's advocate > > treatise on pot. I demonized > > >it and it was fun to write, but, my GOD, the > > responses... Anyone who knows > > >me would have giggled at what I wrote. > > > > > >I have since received personal threats, been > called > > a "bub," and "idiot," > > >a "motherfucker," and been cursed up and down > > >both in public and privately. > > > > > >I'm not about to share any more of my real > feelings > > with this group because > > >#1) apparently it's not safe to, #2) this group > is > > really a place to discuss > > >techy stuff, as it is not volatile subject > matter. > > I will say this, though. > > >I'm not recinding my considerations of THC, but > > they're certainly not in > > >any way complete. I have lot's to say about power > > plants, but not here. > > Not > > >ever again here. (Yeay!!!) > > > > > >I could as easily have written something that was > > purely in favor of it. > > >There's the issue of taxation, medicinal use, > > over-population of prisons > > >due to petty crimes, and the whole > mind/body/spirit > > connection. I tried, > > >actually, but it came too late and I was jaded > > during its writing due to > > >the overwhelming negativity. > > > > > >Maybe that is the grumpiness Mark mentioned, I > > don't know. > > > > > >I am pleased that many took me as someone that > had > > obviously > > >"never tried it before" and was likened to a > blind > > person. That means that > > >my writing is pretty convincing. Someone told > > >me to shut up and play my guitar. Good advice, > but > > Zappa said > > >it best! > > > > > >In summary, I'm really shocked, however, that a > > multi-faceted topic and > > a > > >reflection of one of these angles could draw such > > vehemence and disdain. > > >I can't expect close, critical readings > > >of internet postings, though. My bad. > > > > > >I wish you all the best with your musical trials > > and tribulations, but > > I > > >must admit that I am sad that there is not more > > love here and elsewhere; > > >love for conservatives, liberals, teachers, > poets, > > engineers, fellow musicians, > > >and each other's opinions. I did not personally > > attack anyone but was attacked > > >en masse by a whole swarm of stinging words. > > >I said "only drug users will defend using drugs" > > but didn't > > >anticipate that they'd attack as well. > > > > > >Oh, and that they are a cop-out. "Cop" out... No > > one saw that, though. > > I > > >choose my words as carefully as my notes. I'll > > >try harder, next time. Seems I'd better or else. > > But if anyone > > >would like to continue to verbally attack > > me...please listen to some Beatles. > > >Come to think of it, though, please steer clear > of > > Helter Skelter, 'K? > > > > >:) > > >Good-bye. > > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 05:41:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N9f1t32759; Fri, 23 May 2003 05:41:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:41:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523094051.55576.qmail@web20809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Subject: Re: Sell out... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002a01c320c7$d19b6a30$bf08fc0c@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2aWTV.A.s_H.lyez-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey man, money isn't everything, and the whole family thing is played out too. The world is so overpopulated, I think you and I are doing something great for mankind. Making wonderful music and keeping the world clean. --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > A question I have always wondered about is: > "Are great musicians > professionals because they are great -- or, are > great musicians great > because they are professionals?" Kind of the old > chicken and egg question, > where both answers are ultimately true for different > cases. > > Being a working mid-level musician has its good > points and its bad > points, but it's certainly not for everybody at > every stage of life. > > PROS > - I can "work" (that consists of giving lessons, and > playing gigs) about 20 > hours a week, and get by. That includes buying the > occasional piece of > electronic music gear. Practicing isn't working to > me. > - Working that little gives me plenty of time to > practice, read Loopers > Delight, and learn about whatever the hell I want > to. > - When I'm at "work," I'm practicing my craft. > - Sometimes I'll get gigs where I can really let > loose. > > CONS > - Can't even begin to think of having a family and > buying a house like this. > - When I play a shitty gig where no one listens and > the other musicians are > hacks, I feel like a whore. > > But, to me, right now, it's worth it. > > -Jesse > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... > > > > I may be half the guitarist, but I gladly trade > that for the ability to > > make music with no expectation of compensation at > all. I couldn't do a > > wedding band thing. Music is too precious to me. > Instead, I now do > > media design. Total sell out, but they don't > touch my music. > > > > Good luck Andre. I want to believe you'll > succeed. In a way, you > > have. On the fringe your either 1) a hack or 2) > too advanced to be > > understood my most. Either way, it sucks, but I > think we can all agree > > that you're not a hack. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 05:54:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N9rU801220; Fri, 23 May 2003 05:53:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:53:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [217.158.170.192] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: References: <20030523072337.54594.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c3210b$7b052f00$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: All You Need Is Love Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:03:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 09:53:13.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[207DECB0:01C32111] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, NY track Walk On is also on the very nide double CD compilation 'Decade', usually availbe for about 9.99 in the UK. CD also has studio version of Like a Hurricane, which is def available only on deleted vinyl, so well worth it ! bye, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Goodman" To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: All You Need Is Love > Somehow it works: I'm working on a cover of an old Neil Young song you won't > find on anything > but old cassette or vinyl called "Walk On", whose refrain goes: > > Ooh baby that's hard to change > I can't tell them how to feel > Some get stoned, some get strange > Sooner or later, it all gets real > Walk on. Walk on. > > > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 05:55:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4N9qvq01151; Fri, 23 May 2003 05:52:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:52:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1053683420!20604 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB062@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Anyone know... Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:49:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32110.A1207C80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32110.A1207C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ...where I can find a used Doepfer MAQ 16 thingy. I figure if anyone knows, it might be one of you all.<< they turn up on e-bay from time to time, but I don't think it's ever been a hugely popular machine. I have two of them, and have spent a lot of time (10 years) learning the tricks; if you want to contact me off-list to have a chat about what they can and can't do, feel free. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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...where I can find a used Doepfer MAQ 16 thingy. I figur= e if anyone knows,
it might be one of you all.<<


they turn up on e-bay from time to time, but I don't thin= k it's ever been a hugely popular machine. I have two of them, and have spe= nt a lot of time (10 years) learning the tricks; if you want to contact me = off-list to have a chat about what they can and can't do, feel free.=

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C32110.A1207C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 06:18:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NAGkP04359; Fri, 23 May 2003 06:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 06:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:16:25 +0200 Subject: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030523093849.53261.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9BEE9470-8D07-11D7-B098-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that the flame fest has died down a little bit, I would be very interested to share my ideas about pot and music, and would be very interested to hear other people's experiences on the subject. I have been in contact with a few loopers offlist, and the discussions have been very interesting, and definitely on-topic with regards to looping. Whilst I understand that people have strong views on the subject, I really would like to discuss this area - keeping to subject of looping. I would like a thread whereby the 'anti-smokers drugs are bad M'kay' can let the people who have differing views from themselves talk about this without being flamed or labeled drug addicts. I'm into 'opening up' (it was my one innocent sentence that exploded this flame war).... anyone else onlist? :) - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 06:18:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NABes04000; Fri, 23 May 2003 06:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 06:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:11:20 +0200 Subject: Re: [OT] All You Need Is Love Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030523093849.53261.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 11:38 am, Tim wrote: > Holland has 40% less pot smokers per capita than > America. And the lowest amount of hard drug users in > all of Europe. The "taboo" idea of drugs in the USA > causes more use and abuse. You have a fine system > there. Prohibition simply does not work. You only have to look at the US alcohol prohibition in the 30's to realise that all prohibition does is drive everything underground and makes gangsters rich without any reward to the purses of the government. The same is true for narcotic prohibition. One of my favorite theories is to legalise EVERY drug, tax it, and make it available for purchase (with ID) from licensed pharmacutical shops. People will take whatever they want wether it is legal or not, and the risks of illegal drugs are great. If you purchase ecstacy, you only have some greasy dealers say-so that what you have purchased is actually MDMA and not some concoction of dangerous prescription tablets mixed with rat poison. Imagine going into a shop, picking up a box of 'Saturday night buzz', reading the ingredients, reading the dosage instructions, the effects, the risks... then showing your id card to prove that you are over 18, being able to purchase this drug knowing that you are not playing Russian roulette with your life. There would be far less abuse, and far less danger if everything was legalised. It would also remove a HUGE amount of money away from the untaxable and uncouth underground. The argument that 'the young will turn into addicts' is a load of crap. Its like saying that someone who tries their first beer will become a raging alcoholic drinking 2 bottles of vodka a day by the end of the month.... Sure some will... but some people have naturally destructive personalities. Education, Availability, Legalisation... I for one am happy that the UK is moving towards decriminalisation, and am sad that France is moving in the opposite direction. Maybe its another reason why I am moving back there :) (By the way - I don't take chemicals other than a snort of coke every two years - so don't flame me Paul). I do however smoke about 1/8th of an oz of grass a month. My 0.2c - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 06:34:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NAYT405513; Fri, 23 May 2003 06:34:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 06:34:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030523122718.0161f090@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: waveform@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:33:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: daviD Subject: Re: Anyone know... In-Reply-To: <200305230009.h4N09R501593@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:21:19 -0500 >From: Kelly Coyle >Subject: Anyone know... > >...where I can find a used Doepfer MAQ 16 thingy. I figure if anyone >knows, it might be one of you all. Try the Analogue Heaven mailing list... There are quite a number of MAQ16/3 owners there. "Battery Operated Simulating the true styles and making carefully ! Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 06:46:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NAhUA06132; Fri, 23 May 2003 06:43:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 06:43:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1053686334!25268 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB063@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:38:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32117.6A898E30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32117.6A898E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've had a thing with the repeater where, despite getting a good midi clock at 80-100 bpm, say, it will record a loop and then act like the original tempo was 160-200. this results in the loop being half as big as it should be, and time-stretched to fit the actual tempo. is there a quick way to disable the software "helpers" that determine the loop point? I'm guessing they are the culprit.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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I've had a thing with the repeater where, despite getting= a good midi clock at 80-100 bpm, say, it will record a loop and then act l= ike the original tempo was 160-200. this results in the loop being half as = big as it should be, and time-stretched to fit the actual tempo. is there a= quick way to disable the software "helpers" that determine the l= oop point? I'm guessing they are the culprit....


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C32117.6A898E30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 07:20:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NBJo510133; Fri, 23 May 2003 07:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:19:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:19:09 +0200 Subject: Re: Repeater Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-219622180 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB063@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: <5FE065E5-8D10-11D7-B098-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <9N2w4C.A.4dC.DPgz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-219622180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:38 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I've had a thing with the repeater where, despite getting a good midi > clock at 80-100 bpm, say, it will record a loop and then act like the > original tempo was 160-200. this results in the loop being half as big > as it should be, and time-stretched to fit the actual tempo. is there > a quick way to disable the software "helpers" that determine the loop > point? I'm guessing they are the culprit.... I had this problem also, which was one of the reasons why I ditched the Repeater... I was playing with a computer musician who used Live! as the midi source, and at random intervals, my loops doubled in speed. It was frustrating, and destroyed a lot of the music that we strived to create I tried to investigate further to find the cause of this, but I could not replicate this bug at will. I think it is just one of those strange Repeater bugs :( --Apple-Mail-4-219622180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:38 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: I've had a thing with the repeater where, despite getting a good midi clock at 80-100 bpm, say, it will record a loop and then act like the original tempo was 160-200. this results in the loop being half as big as it should be, and time-stretched to fit the actual tempo. is there a quick way to disable the software "helpers" that determine the loop point? I'm guessing they are the culprit.... I had this problem also, which was one of the reasons why I ditched the Repeater... I was playing with a computer musician who used Live! as the midi source, and at random intervals, my loops doubled in speed. It was frustrating, and destroyed a lot of the music that we strived to create I tried to investigate further to find the cause of this, but I could not replicate this bug at will. I think it is just one of those strange Repeater bugs :( --Apple-Mail-4-219622180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 09:37:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NDZh226561; Fri, 23 May 2003 09:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:39:58 -0500 Subject: RE: why pot before looping? From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This thread...thank you...tr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 10:13:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NEBrF31216; Fri, 23 May 2003 10:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 06:45:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: why pot before looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:39 AM -0500 5/23/03, Tom Roady wrote: >This thread...thank you...tr Oh. Now I know what you were referring to. I didn't read any of the "pot" messages, so I was unaware there was a flame war going on. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 10:14:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NEC5O31232; Fri, 23 May 2003 10:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:12:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9BEE9470-8D07-11D7-B098-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <9BEE9470-8D07-11D7-B098-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:09:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7BEuG.A.XlH.oviz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:16 PM +0200 5/23/03, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >I would be very interested to share my ideas about pot and music, >and would be very interested to hear other people's experiences on >the subject. Speaking only for my personal experience with marijuana and music, I found that getting moderately stoned would facilitate a certain state of awareness that was useful for composing. I found it easy to "relax into" a focus on the sound of the music and the act of playing, and I found that in some ways my creativity seemed to be enhanced. I wouldn't say that "pot makes you more creative," but that relaxation and focus certainly do. Before I ever got into playing while stoned I made a regular practice of listening while stoned. In these situations the effects were even more pronounced and included an increase in visualization of the music. Without the necessity of performing I could relax more deeply and place more of my awareness on following the details of the sound and in "mapping" the sounds to an internal visual "score." I did not find that getting stoned and playing with other people was such a great success. Unfortunately, I am one of those for whom marijuana (particularly certain "heavier" varieties such as Columbian) leads to self-consciousness even unto paranoia. I also believe that getting stoned can foster an inflated sense of significance, so that one's creations seem at the time to be more brilliant than they do in retrospect. This could spell trouble in a performance situation, and in my bands we always made it a rule not to smoke until after the gig. The same thing went for drinking alcohol, though we were more relaxed about that. I've also noticed some interesting effects while playing while stoned on LSD, though I did that only once. I felt that my awareness extended into other parts of my nervous system, beyond the cerebral cortex. In particular, while playing, I felt conscious of activity in my brain stem. I practiced Harrison's "Here Comes the Sun" while in this state and was impressed by how well this psychedelic rehearsal "took" and showed lasting results. Interestingly, my guitar teacher would also stress the importance of focusing awareness on the brain stem while practicing - he told me this about a year after my LSD experience, and without my telling him about it. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 10:33:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NEW1e00863; Fri, 23 May 2003 10:32:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:32:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:31:06 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music Message-ID: <2147483647.1053682266@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: <9BEE9470-8D07-11D7-B098-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147514699==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147514699========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline We should all, perhaps, limit ourselves to our own experience when speaking = of this! At least after that thread. The guys in my band prefer to play altered. I don't. For me, echoing = Richard here, marijuana gets me more "in" to myself, inflates my sense of = importance, causes me to overvalue my contribution. The POINT of my music = to me is to get me OUT of my own head, identity, ego, and into the sound = thing. I find that the drugs make it impossible to do that, while (at the = same time) make me think that I'm doing great. But, you know, it seems to = work for the other guys. --On Friday, May 23, 2003 7:09 AM -0700 Richard Zvonar = wrote: > At 12:16 PM +0200 5/23/03, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >> I would be very interested to share my ideas about pot and music,=20 >> and would be very interested to hear other people's experiences on=20 >> the subject. >=20 > Speaking only for my personal experience with marijuana and music, I > found that getting moderately stoned would facilitate a certain state of > awareness that was useful for composing. I found it easy to "relax into" > a focus on the sound of the music and the act of playing, and I found > that in some ways my creativity seemed to be enhanced. I wouldn't say > that "pot makes you more creative," but that relaxation and focus > certainly do. >=20 > Before I ever got into playing while stoned I made a regular practice of > listening while stoned. In these situations the effects were even more > pronounced and included an increase in visualization of the music. > Without the necessity of performing I could relax more deeply and place > more of my awareness on following the details of the sound and in > "mapping" the sounds to an internal visual "score." >=20 > I did not find that getting stoned and playing with other people was such > a great success. Unfortunately, I am one of those for whom marijuana > (particularly certain "heavier" varieties such as Columbian) leads to > self-consciousness even unto paranoia. I also believe that getting stoned > can foster an inflated sense of significance, so that one's creations > seem at the time to be more brilliant than they do in retrospect. This > could spell trouble in a performance situation, and in my bands we always > made it a rule not to smoke until after the gig. The same thing went for > drinking alcohol, though we were more relaxed about that. >=20 > I've also noticed some interesting effects while playing while stoned on > LSD, though I did that only once. I felt that my awareness extended into > other parts of my nervous system, beyond the cerebral cortex. In > particular, while playing, I felt conscious of activity in my brain stem. > I practiced Harrison's "Here Comes the Sun" while in this state and was > impressed by how well this psychedelic rehearsal "took" and showed > lasting results. >=20 > Interestingly, my guitar teacher would also stress the importance of > focusing awareness on the brain stem while practicing - he told me this > about a year after my LSD experience, and without my telling him about = it. > --=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com >=20 > =20 --- www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147514699========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline We should all, perhaps, limit ourselves to our own = experience when speaking of this! At least after that thread.

The guys in my band prefer to play altered. I don't. For me, echoing = Richard here, marijuana gets me more "in" to myself, inflates my = sense of importance, causes me to overvalue my contribution. The POINT of = my music to me is to get me OUT of my own head, identity, ego, and into the = sound thing. I find that the drugs make it impossible to do that, while (at = the same time) make me think that I'm doing great. But, you know, it seems = to work for the other guys.










--On Friday, May 23, 2003 7:09 AM -0700 Richard Zvonar = <zvonar@zvonar.com> wrote:

> At 12:16 PM +0200 5/23/03, Stuart Wyatt wrote:
>> I would be very interested to share my ideas about pot and music, =
>> and would be very interested to hear other people's experiences on =
>> the subject.
>
> Speaking only for my personal experience with marijuana and music, = I
> found that getting moderately stoned would facilitate a certain state = of
> awareness that was useful for composing. I found it easy to = "relax into"
> a focus on the sound of the music and the act of playing, and I = found
> that in some ways my creativity seemed to be enhanced. I wouldn't = say
> that "pot makes you more creative," but that relaxation and = focus
> certainly do.
>
> Before I ever got into playing while stoned I made a regular practice = of
> listening while stoned. In these situations the effects were even = more
> pronounced and included an increase in visualization of the music.
> Without the necessity of performing I could relax more deeply and = place
> more of my awareness on following the details of the sound and in
> "mapping" the sounds to an internal visual = "score."
>
> I did not find that getting stoned and playing with other people was = such
> a great success. Unfortunately, I am one of those for whom = marijuana
> (particularly certain "heavier" varieties such as Columbian) = leads to
> self-consciousness even unto paranoia. I also believe that getting = stoned
> can foster an inflated sense of significance, so that one's = creations
> seem at the time to be more brilliant than they do in retrospect. = This
> could spell trouble in a performance situation, and in my bands we = always
> made it a rule not to smoke until after the gig. The same thing went = for
> drinking alcohol, though we were more relaxed about that.
>
> I've also noticed some interesting effects while playing while stoned = on
> LSD, though I did that only once. I felt that my awareness extended = into
> other parts of my nervous system, beyond the cerebral cortex. In
> particular, while playing, I felt conscious of activity in my brain = stem.
> I practiced Harrison's "Here Comes the Sun" while in this = state and was
> impressed by how well this psychedelic rehearsal "took" and = showed
> lasting results.
>
> Interestingly, my guitar teacher would also stress the importance = of
> focusing awareness on the brain stem while practicing - he told me = this
> about a year after my LSD experience, and without my telling him about = it.
> --
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Richard Zvonar, PhD
> (818) 788-2202
> http://www.zvonar.com
> http://RZCybernetics.com
>
>  



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www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147514699==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 10:37:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NEaAr01451; Fri, 23 May 2003 10:36:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:36:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:32:14 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: enough is enough already! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02da01c32138$1ac96fc0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <019601c320e7$de405c80$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > At 12:57 AM -0400 5/23/03, David Beardsley wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Richard Zvonar" > > > >> At 10:46 PM -0500 5/22/03, Tom Roady wrote: > >> >Boy do I miss Rick Walker's sense of humor on this f-----g thread... > >> > >> What "fucking" thread? > > > >Off topic and beating a dead horse. > > > >Let it go folks. > > I simply asked what thread he was referring to. I'm not beating any > dead horse because I didn't know there was a horse, much less a dead > one, to be beaten. > > You didn't answer my question either. What fucking thread are you > both referring to? The fucking pro vs. cons of pot thread. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 10:41:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NEdBS01742; Fri, 23 May 2003 10:39:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:39:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030523064726.52310.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030523064726.52310.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:38:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: ot: Virtual guitars amps etc. live Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i thought i read a while back about weezer being on a small tour and ditched their amps and used the small pods b/c they were hauling things themselves. when they moved to bigger venues they switched to the pod pros. rivers c. said that for recording they (he) still uses amps, but touring he said the sound was close. just 2 cents that i've read. and for my own personal experience in recording studio stuff, my digitech rp100 is decent. i'm never going to own the 11 amps it "models", and the sound is close enough. i think there are a lot of variables in the modeling stuff. it sounds different w/ different guitar/pu's (in my limited experience). and certainly the sound is based on context for how accurate you want things (or how close it can get). s--- >With all of the virtuality coming out i am getting >with time more interested in this subject, not having >to carry so much equipment is certainly appealing.I >see people like Adrian Belew leaving their >refigerators at home and simplifying to a johnson >amp.I was never interested in modeling amps or things >like the Roland VGs or VAs or Line 6 but i am hearing >good things about them.Has anybody tried this virtual >amps and guitar modelers live? Do they really cut >through drums?are they worth the money? >Louie > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 10:50:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NEnq303172; Fri, 23 May 2003 10:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:49:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:53:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just out of curiousity where is the brain stem? I have never heard this term before. Geoff on 23/5/03 3:09 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 12:16 PM +0200 5/23/03, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >> I would be very interested to share my ideas about pot and music, >> and would be very interested to hear other people's experiences on >> the subject. > > Speaking only for my personal experience with marijuana and music, I > found that getting moderately stoned would facilitate a certain state > of awareness that was useful for composing. I found it easy to "relax > into" a focus on the sound of the music and the act of playing, and I > found that in some ways my creativity seemed to be enhanced. I > wouldn't say that "pot makes you more creative," but that relaxation > and focus certainly do. > > Before I ever got into playing while stoned I made a regular practice > of listening while stoned. In these situations the effects were even > more pronounced and included an increase in visualization of the > music. Without the necessity of performing I could relax more deeply > and place more of my awareness on following the details of the sound > and in "mapping" the sounds to an internal visual "score." > > I did not find that getting stoned and playing with other people was > such a great success. Unfortunately, I am one of those for whom > marijuana (particularly certain "heavier" varieties such as > Columbian) leads to self-consciousness even unto paranoia. I also > believe that getting stoned can foster an inflated sense of > significance, so that one's creations seem at the time to be more > brilliant than they do in retrospect. This could spell trouble in a > performance situation, and in my bands we always made it a rule not > to smoke until after the gig. The same thing went for drinking > alcohol, though we were more relaxed about that. > > I've also noticed some interesting effects while playing while stoned > on LSD, though I did that only once. I felt that my awareness > extended into other parts of my nervous system, beyond the cerebral > cortex. In particular, while playing, I felt conscious of activity in > my brain stem. I practiced Harrison's "Here Comes the Sun" while in > this state and was impressed by how well this psychedelic rehearsal > "took" and showed lasting results. > > Interestingly, my guitar teacher would also stress the importance of > focusing awareness on the brain stem while practicing - he told me > this about a year after my LSD experience, and without my telling him > about it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 10:58:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NEvWB03960; Fri, 23 May 2003 10:57:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:57:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:57:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8OYypC.A.q9.Sbjz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It varies. Hydro usually has a small brain stem, but outdoor has a thick hearty brain stem close to the center. Oh! You meant BRAIN stem. My apologies. Who knows? :) Jeff On 5/23/03 10:53, "Geoff Smith" wrote: > Just out of curiousity where is the brain stem? > I have never heard this term before. > Geoff > on 23/5/03 3:09 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > >> At 12:16 PM +0200 5/23/03, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >>> I would be very interested to share my ideas about pot and music, >>> and would be very interested to hear other people's experiences on >>> the subject. >> >> Speaking only for my personal experience with marijuana and music, I >> found that getting moderately stoned would facilitate a certain state >> of awareness that was useful for composing. I found it easy to "relax >> into" a focus on the sound of the music and the act of playing, and I >> found that in some ways my creativity seemed to be enhanced. I >> wouldn't say that "pot makes you more creative," but that relaxation >> and focus certainly do. >> >> Before I ever got into playing while stoned I made a regular practice >> of listening while stoned. In these situations the effects were even >> more pronounced and included an increase in visualization of the >> music. Without the necessity of performing I could relax more deeply >> and place more of my awareness on following the details of the sound >> and in "mapping" the sounds to an internal visual "score." >> >> I did not find that getting stoned and playing with other people was >> such a great success. Unfortunately, I am one of those for whom >> marijuana (particularly certain "heavier" varieties such as >> Columbian) leads to self-consciousness even unto paranoia. I also >> believe that getting stoned can foster an inflated sense of >> significance, so that one's creations seem at the time to be more >> brilliant than they do in retrospect. This could spell trouble in a >> performance situation, and in my bands we always made it a rule not >> to smoke until after the gig. The same thing went for drinking >> alcohol, though we were more relaxed about that. >> >> I've also noticed some interesting effects while playing while stoned >> on LSD, though I did that only once. I felt that my awareness >> extended into other parts of my nervous system, beyond the cerebral >> cortex. In particular, while playing, I felt conscious of activity in >> my brain stem. I practiced Harrison's "Here Comes the Sun" while in >> this state and was impressed by how well this psychedelic rehearsal >> "took" and showed lasting results. >> >> Interestingly, my guitar teacher would also stress the importance of >> focusing awareness on the brain stem while practicing - he told me >> this about a year after my LSD experience, and without my telling him >> about it. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 11:27:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NFLEn07511; Fri, 23 May 2003 11:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <190.1ab76e54.2bff9648@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:20:40 EDT Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 mp3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4NFL2B07462 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon, In a message dated 5/22/03 10:09:33 PM, jondrums@hotmail.com writes: >www.jondrums.com >click on: "listen", then "memaxbill.mp3" Very cool Jon. Wish I coulda been there. It seems like all I've been writing to LD the list these days are these short, little, congratulatory little e-mail messages. Everybody else (it seems) has been busy makin' great music and I am just sittin' here on my duff. Time to get busy. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 11:28:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NFQk408201; Fri, 23 May 2003 11:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:23:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1158418896==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1158418896==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:53 PM +0100 5/23/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >Just out of curiousity where is the brain stem? >I have never heard this term before. AKA medulla oblongata. It's the part of the brain just before the spinal column. The motor and sensory nerves pass through it, and it hosts the autonomic functions of the nervous system. The brain stem is a part of the nervous system where a lot of physical performance messaging takes place. Not being a neurologist I can only offer my opinion that in musical performance a lot of the lower level control mechanisms can be "offloaded" from the cognitive areas of the brain to the brain stem. One of the "cosmic insights" I had during psychedelic experiences is that consciousness is not the exclusive province of the forebrain. I think a lot of physical activity is controlled and coordinated further out in the body (this might give new levels of meaning to the expression "far out"). Physical coordination, as in sports and music, may be due in part to one's ability (whether inborn or learned) to distribute one's consciousness throughout the body. Again, this is my opinion based on personal experience. If anyone has scientific evidence pro or con I'd like to hear it. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1158418896==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music
At 3:53 PM +0100 5/23/03, Geoff Smith wrote:
Just out of curiousity where is the brain stem?
I have never heard this term before.

AKA medulla oblongata.

It's the part of the brain just before the spinal column. The motor and sensory nerves pass through it, and it hosts the autonomic functions of the nervous system. The brain stem is a part of the nervous system where a lot of physical performance messaging takes place. Not being a neurologist I can only offer my opinion that in musical performance a lot of the lower level control mechanisms can be "offloaded" from the cognitive areas of the brain to the brain stem.

One of the "cosmic insights" I had during psychedelic experiences is that consciousness is not the exclusive province of the forebrain. I think a lot of physical activity is controlled and coordinated further out in the body (this might give new levels of meaning to the expression "far out"). Physical coordination, as in sports and music, may be due in part to one's ability (whether inborn or learned) to distribute one's consciousness throughout the body.

Again, this is my opinion based on personal experience. If anyone has scientific evidence pro or con I'd like to hear it.
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--============_-1158418896==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 11:57:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NFvAe11241; Fri, 23 May 2003 11:57:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:57:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1053705401!51940 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB076@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:56:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32143.CF3E5500" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32143.CF3E5500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I would be very interested to share my ideas about pot and music, >and would be very interested to hear other people's experiences on >the subject. great for listening, but whether or not you can play y'r socks off while "relaxed".... I find that my sense of time goes awry, and while this is perfectly fine in an indulgent sort of way, and perfectly understandable amongst the fellow pot-heads in our audience, it seems a little unfair on the "straights" whose attention span and focus aren't altered and perhaps never have been. once you've been stoned a few times, it sort of doesn't matter whether you are or not when the music gets going, but if you're in the driving seat, so to speak, it's more of an issue. I find I can get by with "remembering" what it's like to be stoned (because it's usually within the last 24 hours!) and concentrate on working the dials and switches. once, I had a blast on someone's pipe before taking the stage, and almost immediately got my memorymoog into a state from which I could not retrieve it without powering-down. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32143.CF3E5500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music

>I would be very interested to share my ideas about po= t and music,
>and would be very interested to hear other people's = experiences on
>the subject.

great for listening, but whether or not you can play y'r = socks off while "relaxed"....
I find that my sense of time goes awry, and while this i= s perfectly fine in an indulgent sort of way, and perfectly understandable = amongst the fellow pot-heads in our audience, it seems a little unfair on t= he "straights" whose attention span and focus aren't altered and = perhaps never have been.

once you've been stoned a few times, it sort of doesn't m= atter whether you are or not when the music gets going, but if you're in th= e driving seat, so to speak, it's more of an issue.

I find I can get by with "remembering" what it'= s like to be stoned (because it's usually within the last 24 hours!) and co= ncentrate on working the dials and switches. once, I had a blast on someone= 's pipe before taking the stage, and almost immediately got my memorymoog i= nto a state from which I could not retrieve it without powering-down.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C32143.CF3E5500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 12:17:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NGG5R14805; Fri, 23 May 2003 12:16:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:16:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523161535.59053.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030523090744.46988.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2vtQjD.A.7lD.okkz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah in the last issue of Tape Op his producer talks about his choice of guitars and having to make 'em sound good :) --- Louie Angulo wrote: > Wow,really? he has such a fat tone on those Cds i > swore it was something sofisticated like a Gretsch.I > also saw him in switzerland playing with a lne6 DL4 > but he didn´t do much looping. > > > > > --- Squid Loop wrote: > > Mark Ribot likes to use cheap Sears guitars on his > > records because of the challenge of playing one of > > those things ... he used one on the first > Prostetic > > Cubans cd. > > > > > > --- Paul wrote: > > > << relatively low quality, -to me at least, that > > > impacts the general quality > > > of the > > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat > copy, > > > > > >> > > > > > > Totally irrelevant. Heck, my first guitar was a > > > cheap Harmony. Years later, > > > my nephew inheirited the ax and he was using it > > > while playing with his band. > > > > > > I've often wanted to buy one of the cheapest > > guitars > > > at a mail order joint > > > just to see what I could do with it. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Goddess" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:46 AM > > > Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > > > > Whether the statement is accurate is > anyone's > > > guess; > > > > > > > > Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. > > > -Considering that it has a bit > > > of > > > > trouble staying in tune, and most of the > > hardware > > > on it is relatively low > > > > quality, -to me at least, that impacts the > > general > > > quality of the > > > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat > > copy, > > > according to the > > > > line-6 rep. -or at least the model that he'd > > > demoed with some of the > > > > employees at the store where I teach, was. > This > > > is why I'm concerned. > > > > -With issues like that, the modeling just > > doesn't > > > justify spending that > > > > kind of money to me. -That's all... -just > my > > > opinion, and perhaps they > > > > will, or have already upgraded the guitar. > > -It's > > > certainly possible. > > > > I'll still try one for myself... > > > > > > > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: > > > > ><< what I know from co-workers who've tried > > it, > > > is basically a really > > > cheap > > > > >strat >> > > > > > > > > > >But.... > > > > > > > > > >Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's > > > guess; i.e. that there's a > > > 50% > > > > >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in the > > > software/hardware/development > > > > >end (per the article on the Variax in Guitar > > > Player). > > > > > > > > > >However, there are some nice axes available > now > > > in the approx. $500 price > > > > >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 which > is > > > really well-made for the > > > > >price point. I also bought a close out of a > > > Jackson DK-2S with the > > > Sustainer > > > > >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and > decked > > > out for 4 big ones. > > > 'Course, > > > > >if it's a $149 item, that's another story. > > > > > > > > > >Regarsd, Paul > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Goddess" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What bothers me about this though, is > that > > > the guitar itself, from > > > what > > > > >I > > > > >> know from co-workers who've tried it, is > > > basically a really cheap > > > strat, > > > > >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of > money > > > for an instrument, > > > > >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just my > > > thoughts... > > > > >> > > > > >> Smiles, > > > > >> > > > > >> Cara > > > > >> > > > > >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: > > > > >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM > > Eastern > > > Daylight Time, > > > > >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > So how much are this sweeties? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price > will > > be > > > about $999.00.....i was > > > > >> >surprised by the very positive reviews on > > both > > > accounts and the talk > > > of > > > > >> >expandability in the near future, ability > to > > > download new models > > > (sounds) > > > > >> >into the variax and directly connect to a > > > puter for those of that > > > > >> >bent.....michael > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- > > > > >> > > > > >> "The only things I really think are > > > important, are love, and > > > eachother. > > > > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > > > > >> > > > > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > > >> > > > > >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar > Cafe. > > > > >> > > > > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > > > >> > > > > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > "The only things I really think are > important, > > > are love, and eachother. > > > > -Then, anything is possible..." > > > > > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > > > > > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 12:53:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NGqc921873; Fri, 23 May 2003 12:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523165222.91651.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT cheap git-tars (was: LINE 6 VARIAX) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030523161535.59053.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3-RKUC.A.bVF.MHlz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find that the biggest problem with entry-level guitars isn't so much that they don't sound good (at least initially), but that they're not very durable. Out of the box, once given a proper setup, they generally sound and play OK, but soon the shoddy tuners are a-pingin' and a-slippin', the screw holes around the bridge mounts start enlarging, the solder connections start failing, the cheap switches start breaking, the pots start crackling, etc. Since a lot of the beginners' instruments are using pretty decent pickups, they sound not-too-bad; they just don't seem to improve with age the way a higher quality instrument can. Oh, I'm sorry. We've digressed on a guitar-related tangent; we're supposed to be arguing about marijuana... 8^P -t- --- Squid Loop wrote: > ...his producer talks about his choice of guitars >and having to make 'em sound good :) > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > Wow,really? he has such a fat tone on those Cds i > > swore it was something sofisticated like a > Gretsch. > > --- Squid Loop wrote: > > > Mark Ribot likes to use cheap Sears guitars on > his records because of the challenge of playing one > of those things ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 13:04:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NH4Gq24303; Fri, 23 May 2003 13:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:04:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <049a01c3217f$216fbcc0$bda44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <6a.30c55c2e.2bec9fd1@aol.com> <3EBBDEED.75D38EF4@helpwantedproductions.com> Subject: more about line mixers Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:00:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody have any experience with the rane srm router/mixer? i need a mixer that will allow me to effectively feed and bypass the edp at the same time (thus allowing for the mix to be 100% and therefore louder), so it doesn't look like your standard mixer will work. of course, the switchblade does this very well, but i don't that much power for this application. i'll eventually be running these three items (malletkat/kurzweil, nord lead2, and elektron machinedrum) into one or two inputs on my swr amp...just in case your were curious. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 13:37:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NHaYR27914; Fri, 23 May 2003 13:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:36:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <6a.30c55c2e.2bec9fd1@aol.com> <3EBBDEED.75D38EF4@helpwantedproductions.com> <049a01c3217f$216fbcc0$bda44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: more about line mixers Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:36:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 17:36:04.0331 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8E95BB0:01C32151] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > anybody have any experience with the rane srm router/mixer? i need a mixer > that will allow me to effectively feed and bypass the edp at the same time > (thus allowing for the mix to be 100% and therefore louder), so it doesn't > look like your standard mixer will work. of course, the switchblade does > this very well, but i don't that much power for this application. > Any mixer with a send will do this. Alternately, using a y-cable to mult the signal at some point will work. (As mentioned before here, never use a y cable to >combine< signals.) Shameless plug - I'm still trying to find a home for my 1/2 rack, 18 channel line mixer. (and 2 sends, that I've had my echoplex and repeater sitting on with mix at 100%) - $110 Pictures: http://www.hearfeel.com/forsale bIz ------------ www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ Are you still here? The message is over. Shoo! Go away! ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: more about line mixers > anybody have any experience with the rane srm router/mixer? i need a mixer > that will allow me to effectively feed and bypass the edp at the same time > (thus allowing for the mix to be 100% and therefore louder), so it doesn't > look like your standard mixer will work. of course, the switchblade does > this very well, but i don't that much power for this application. > > i'll eventually be running these three items (malletkat/kurzweil, nord > lead2, and elektron machinedrum) into one or two inputs on my swr amp...just > in case your were curious. > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 15:10:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NJ8xX08058; Fri, 23 May 2003 15:08:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:08:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:10:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3A7451F1-8D52-11D7-9430-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 10:23 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > controlled and coordinated further out in the body (this might give > new levels of meaning to the expression "far out"). Physical > coordination, as in sports and music, may be due in part to one's > ability (whether inborn or learned) to distribute one's consciousness > throughout the body. > > Again, this is my opinion based on personal experience. If anyone has > scientific evidence pro or con I'd like to hear it. no scientific evidence, merely the observation that there must be some reason massage does more for relaxing the mind than the muscle. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 15:26:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NJQMl10088; Fri, 23 May 2003 15:26:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:26:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c32160$a6493b20$02615cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #322 for May 22, 2003 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:22:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C3213F.11776740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C3213F.11776740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #322 May 22, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Sombient Drone = Series, a trilogy of releases that codify the definition of dark ambient. The = Featured CD at Midnight was disk two of "Swarm of Drones," the second release = from the Drone Series on the Sombient label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Kanikaze 1989" by Edgar Froese on = Virgin Records. Sombient Drone Series - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#may PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Edgar Froese Videophonic Kamikaze 1989 (Virgin) Subsonic Experience The Regained Paradise Pr=E4position (DiN) Exuviae The Wall of Sleep Settling Density = (AtmoWorks) Gert Emmens The Voyage of Voyager I Wanderer of Time = (Groove) John Lakveet Intentionis Epikus (Groove) Andy Pickford and Laternentrager Part 1 Pamayana (Neu Harmony) Paul Nagle Andy Pickford and Laternentrager Part 2 Pamayana (Neu Harmony) Paul Nagle 12:00 am VA [Ned Bouhalassa] Move I Swarm of Drones d2 = (Sombient) VA [Jeff Greinke] Below Swarm of Drones d2 = (Sombient) VA [X-Ray] Annul Swarm of Drones d2 = (Sombient) VA [Lull] Slow Fall Inward Swarm of Drones d2 = (Sombient) VA [K K Null and Drowning in Aurora Swarm of Drones d2 = (Sombient) James Plotkin] VA [Iso Ambient Melisma Swarm of Drones d2 = (Sombient) Orchestra] VA [Naut Humon] Deliquesce Swarm of Drones d2 = (Sombient) VA [Gregory Lenczycki] Variable State Optical Swarm of Drones d2 = (Sombient) Amplifier VA [Xopher Davidson] Lapsed Transfer Swarm of Drones d2 = (Sombient) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on the Sombient = Drone Trilogy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Immersion," the third = disk from "A Storm of Drones" on the Sombient label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Oxygene" by Jean Michel Jarre on = Dreyfus Records. I will also play the music of one of the artists who will be performing = at the Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June = 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C3213F.11776740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #322       =20             May 22, = 2003
 
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the = Sombient=20 Drone Series, a
trilogy of releases that codify the definition of = dark=20 ambient.  The Featured
CD at Midnight was disk two of "Swarm of = Drones,"=20 the second release from the
Drone Series on the Sombient label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Kanikaze 1989" by Edgar Froese = on=20 Virgin
Records.
 
Sombient Drone Series=20 - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#may
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Edgar=20 Froese            = Videophonic          &n= bsp;  =20 Kamikaze 1989 (Virgin)
Subsonic Experience     = The=20 Regained Paradise    Pr=E4position=20 (DiN)
Exuviae         &nb= sp;      =20 The Wall of Sleep        Settling = Density=20 (AtmoWorks)
Gert=20 Emmens           &= nbsp;=20 The Voyage of Voyager I  Wanderer of Time (Groove)
John=20 Lakveet           = =20 Intentionis          &n= bsp;  =20 Epikus (Groove)
Andy Pickford and       = Laternentrager Part 1    Pamayana (Neu Harmony)
  = Paul=20 Nagle
Andy Pickford and       = Laternentrager=20 Part 2    Pamayana (Neu Harmony)
  Paul = Nagle
 
12:00 am
VA [Ned Bouhalassa]     Move=20 I            =       =20 Swarm of Drones d2 (Sombient)
VA [Jeff=20 Greinke]      =20 Below           &n= bsp;       =20 Swarm of Drones d2 (Sombient)
VA=20 [X-Ray]           =   =20 Annul           &n= bsp;       =20 Swarm of Drones d2 (Sombient)
VA=20 [Lull]           &= nbsp;  =20 Slow Fall Inward         Swarm = of Drones=20 d2 (Sombient)
VA [K K Null = and       =20 Drowning in Aurora       Swarm of Drones = d2=20 (Sombient)
  James Plotkin]
VA [Iso=20 Ambient        =20 Melisma           =       =20 Swarm of Drones d2 (Sombient)
  Orchestra]
VA [Naut=20 Humon]        =20 Deliquesce          &nb= sp;   =20 Swarm of Drones d2 (Sombient)
VA [Gregory Lenczycki]  Variable = State=20 Optical   Swarm of Drones d2=20 (Sombient)
          = ;            =    =20 Amplifier
VA [Xopher Davidson]    Lapsed=20 Transfer          Swarm of = Drones=20 d2 (Sombient)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long = focus on=20 the Sombient Drone
Trilogy.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be = "Immersion," the third disk
from "A Storm of Drones" on the Sombient=20 label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Oxygene" by Jean Michel = Jarre on=20 Dreyfus
Records.
 
I will also play the music of one of the artists who will be = performing at=20 the
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C3213F.11776740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 15:32:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NJVms10678; Fri, 23 May 2003 15:31:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:31:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523193119.68970.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: brain stem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > Interestingly, my guitar teacher would also stress the importance of > focusing awareness on the brain stem while practicing - he told me > this about a year after my LSD experience, and without my telling him > about it. How does one focus awareness on the brain stem (without the use of mind altering substances)? I mean, I can think about my neck, but my brain stem? Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 15:52:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NJoAe12748; Fri, 23 May 2003 15:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030523193119.68970.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030523193119.68970.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:45:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: brain stem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:31 PM -0700 5/23/03, Greg House wrote: >How does one focus awareness on the brain stem (without the use of >mind altering substances)? > >I mean, I can think about my neck, but my brain stem? Think deeper. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 15:56:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NJuQ613259; Fri, 23 May 2003 15:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:56:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523195549.78999.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: [OT] All You Need Is Love To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Stu, Yes,it seems that this issues have somehow matured way faster here.i lived in California for over 20 years and i could never understand this double moral,21 yrs. old to have a beer but 18 to go to war,the sex taboo but the best pornos made in the U.S.,the tabacco issue,justifying the dollar under gods name,blaming the supply and demand of drugs on the suppliers from other countries, etc.(there was an interesting article about some of this from Brian Eno posted here in loopers delight not long ago)As far as drugs in europe is concerned the hardest addiction ive witnessed here is tabacco. I personally don´t use any drugs before concerts i enjoy a cold beer to relax before a show if i am feeling tense, and yes ill have a little funny one if its offered to me and if i am in the mood for it afterwards.To me this is more of a social thing and i somehow don´t like doing it alone,not even drinking a beer. Cheers Louie --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 11:38 am, Tim wrote: > > > Holland has 40% less pot smokers per capita than > > America. And the lowest amount of hard drug users > in > > all of Europe. The "taboo" idea of drugs in the > USA > > causes more use and abuse. You have a fine system > > there. > > Prohibition simply does not work. You only have to > look at the US > alcohol prohibition in the 30's to realise that all > prohibition does is > drive everything underground and makes gangsters > rich without any > reward to the purses of the government. > > The same is true for narcotic prohibition. One of my > favorite theories > is to legalise EVERY drug, tax it, and make it > available for purchase > (with ID) from licensed pharmacutical shops. People > will take whatever > they want wether it is legal or not, and the risks > of illegal drugs are > great. If you purchase ecstacy, you only have some > greasy dealers > say-so that what you have purchased is actually MDMA > and not some > concoction of dangerous prescription tablets mixed > with rat poison. > > Imagine going into a shop, picking up a box of > 'Saturday night buzz', > reading the ingredients, reading the dosage > instructions, the effects, > the risks... then showing your id card to prove that > you are over 18, > being able to purchase this drug knowing that you > are not playing > Russian roulette with your life. There would be far > less abuse, and far > less danger if everything was legalised. It would > also remove a HUGE > amount of money away from the untaxable and uncouth > underground. > > The argument that 'the young will turn into addicts' > is a load of crap. > Its like saying that someone who tries their first > beer will become a > raging alcoholic drinking 2 bottles of vodka a day > by the end of the > month.... Sure some will... but some people have > naturally destructive > personalities. > > Education, Availability, Legalisation... > > I for one am happy that the UK is moving towards > decriminalisation, and > am sad that France is moving in the opposite > direction. Maybe its > another reason why I am moving back there :) > > (By the way - I don't take chemicals other than a > snort of coke every > two years - so don't flame me Paul). I do however > smoke about 1/8th of > an oz of grass a month. > > My 0.2c > > - Stu > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 16:05:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NK3HM15112; Fri, 23 May 2003 16:03:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:03:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523200220.62808.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030523161535.59053.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0GlnMB.A.7qD.R5nz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This would definetly interest me, do you have a link? Louie --- Squid Loop wrote: > Yeah in the last issue of Tape Op his producer talks > about his choice of guitars and having to make 'em > sound good :) > > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > Wow,really? he has such a fat tone on those Cds i > > swore it was something sofisticated like a > Gretsch.I > > also saw him in switzerland playing with a lne6 > DL4 > > but he didn´t do much looping. > > > > > > > > > > --- Squid Loop wrote: > > > Mark Ribot likes to use cheap Sears guitars on > his > > > records because of the challenge of playing one > of > > > those things ... he used one on the first > > Prostetic > > > Cubans cd. > > > > > > > > > --- Paul wrote: > > > > << relatively low quality, -to me at least, > that > > > > impacts the general quality > > > > of the > > > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat > > copy, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Totally irrelevant. Heck, my first guitar was > a > > > > cheap Harmony. Years later, > > > > my nephew inheirited the ax and he was using > it > > > > while playing with his band. > > > > > > > > I've often wanted to buy one of the cheapest > > > guitars > > > > at a mail order joint > > > > just to see what I could do with it. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Goddess" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:46 AM > > > > Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether the statement is accurate is > > anyone's > > > > guess; > > > > > > > > > > Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. > > > > -Considering that it has a bit > > > > of > > > > > trouble staying in tune, and most of the > > > hardware > > > > on it is relatively low > > > > > quality, -to me at least, that impacts the > > > general > > > > quality of the > > > > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat > > > copy, > > > > according to the > > > > > line-6 rep. -or at least the model that > he'd > > > > demoed with some of the > > > > > employees at the store where I teach, was. > > This > > > > is why I'm concerned. > > > > > -With issues like that, the modeling just > > > doesn't > > > > justify spending that > > > > > kind of money to me. -That's all... > -just > > my > > > > opinion, and perhaps they > > > > > will, or have already upgraded the guitar. > > > -It's > > > > certainly possible. > > > > > I'll still try one for myself... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > ><< what I know from co-workers who've > tried > > > it, > > > > is basically a really > > > > cheap > > > > > >strat >> > > > > > > > > > > > >But.... > > > > > > > > > > > >Whether the statement is accurate is > anyone's > > > > guess; i.e. that there's a > > > > 50% > > > > > >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in > the > > > > software/hardware/development > > > > > >end (per the article on the Variax in > Guitar > > > > Player). > > > > > > > > > > > >However, there are some nice axes available > > now > > > > in the approx. $500 price > > > > > >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 > which > > is > > > > really well-made for the > > > > > >price point. I also bought a close out of a > > > > Jackson DK-2S with the > > > > Sustainer > > > > > >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and > > decked > > > > out for 4 big ones. > > > > 'Course, > > > > > >if it's a $149 item, that's another story. > > > > > > > > > > > >Regarsd, Paul > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Goddess" > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What bothers me about this though, is > > that > > > > the guitar itself, from > > > > what > > > > > >I > > > > > >> know from co-workers who've tried it, is > > > > basically a really cheap > > > > strat, > > > > > >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of > > money > > > > for an instrument, > > > > > >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just > my > > > > thoughts... > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Smiles, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Cara > > > > > >> > > > > > >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: > > > > > >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM > > > Eastern > > > > Daylight Time, > > > > > >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > So how much are this sweeties? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price > > will > > > be > > > > about $999.00.....i was > > > > > >> >surprised by the very positive reviews > on > > > both > > > > accounts and the talk > > > > of > > > > > >> >expandability in the near future, > ability > > to > > > > download new models > > > > (sounds) > > > > > >> >into the variax and directly connect to > a > > > > puter for those of that > > > > > >> >bent.....michael > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> --- > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "The only things I really think are > > > > important, are love, and > > > > eachother. > > > > > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > > > > > >> > > > > > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar > > Cafe. > > > > > >> > === message truncated === ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 16:16:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NKFNV16160; Fri, 23 May 2003 16:15:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:15:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523201410.743.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:14:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030523200220.62808.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4hQPaC.A.-6D.TEoz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.tapeop.com/ You can order back issues. The one you want is #34 but while you are there why don't you get a free subscription .. it's a great publication. You won't get #34 but you can order that one for a small fee. The interview is with JD Foster. --- Louie Angulo wrote: > This would definetly interest me, do you have a > link? > Louie > --- Squid Loop wrote: > > Yeah in the last issue of Tape Op his producer > talks > > about his choice of guitars and having to make 'em > > sound good :) > > > > > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > > Wow,really? he has such a fat tone on those Cds > i > > > swore it was something sofisticated like a > > Gretsch.I > > > also saw him in switzerland playing with a lne6 > > DL4 > > > but he didn´t do much looping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Squid Loop wrote: > > > > Mark Ribot likes to use cheap Sears guitars on > > his > > > > records because of the challenge of playing > one > > of > > > > those things ... he used one on the first > > > Prostetic > > > > Cubans cd. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Paul wrote: > > > > > << relatively low quality, -to me at least, > > that > > > > > impacts the general quality > > > > > of the > > > > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat > > > copy, > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Totally irrelevant. Heck, my first guitar > was > > a > > > > > cheap Harmony. Years later, > > > > > my nephew inheirited the ax and he was using > > it > > > > > while playing with his band. > > > > > > > > > > I've often wanted to buy one of the cheapest > > > > guitars > > > > > at a mail order joint > > > > > just to see what I could do with it. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Goddess" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:46 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether the statement is accurate is > > > anyone's > > > > > guess; > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. > > > > > -Considering that it has a bit > > > > > of > > > > > > trouble staying in tune, and most of the > > > > hardware > > > > > on it is relatively low > > > > > > quality, -to me at least, that impacts the > > > > general > > > > > quality of the > > > > > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a > strat > > > > copy, > > > > > according to the > > > > > > line-6 rep. -or at least the model that > > he'd > > > > > demoed with some of the > > > > > > employees at the store where I teach, was. > > > > This > > > > > is why I'm concerned. > > > > > > -With issues like that, the modeling just > > > > doesn't > > > > > justify spending that > > > > > > kind of money to me. -That's all... > > -just > > > my > > > > > opinion, and perhaps they > > > > > > will, or have already upgraded the guitar. > > > > > -It's > > > > > certainly possible. > > > > > > I'll still try one for myself... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > > > > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > ><< what I know from co-workers who've > > tried > > > > it, > > > > > is basically a really > > > > > cheap > > > > > > >strat >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >But.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Whether the statement is accurate is > > anyone's > > > > > guess; i.e. that there's a > > > > > 50% > > > > > > >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in > > the > > > > > software/hardware/development > > > > > > >end (per the article on the Variax in > > Guitar > > > > > Player). > > > > > > > > > > > > > >However, there are some nice axes > available > > > now > > > > > in the approx. $500 price > > > > > > >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 > > which > > > is > > > > > really well-made for the > > > > > > >price point. I also bought a close out of > a > > > > > Jackson DK-2S with the > > > > > Sustainer > > > > > > >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and > > > decked > > > > > out for 4 big ones. > > > > > 'Course, > > > > > > >if it's a $149 item, that's another > story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regarsd, Paul > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Goddess" > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What bothers me about this though, is > > > that > > > > > the guitar itself, from > > > > > what > > > > > > >I > > > > > > >> know from co-workers who've tried it, > is > > > > > basically a really cheap > > > > > strat, > > > > > > >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of > > > money > > > > > for an instrument, > > > > > > >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just > > my > > > > > thoughts... > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Smiles, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Cara > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: > > > > > > >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM > > > > Eastern > > > > > Daylight Time, > > > > > > >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > So how much are this sweeties? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price > > > will > > > > be > > > > > about $999.00.....i was > > > > > > >> >surprised by the very positive reviews > > on > > > > both > > > > > accounts and the talk > > > > > of > > > > > > >> >expandability in the near future, > > ability > > > to > > > > > download new models > > > > > (sounds) > > > > > > >> >into the variax and directly connect > to > > a > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 16:30:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NKTZK17724; Fri, 23 May 2003 16:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:27:40 -0700 Subject: Re: All You Need Is Love From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c3210b$7b052f00$0201a8c0@eluk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-_Mk7.A.fUE.jSoz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Somehow it works: I'm working on a cover of an old Neil Young song you won't > find on anything > but old cassette or vinyl called "Walk On", whose refrain goes: > > Ooh baby that's hard to change > I can't tell them how to feel > Some get stoned, some get strange > Sooner or later, it all gets real > Walk on. Walk on. > > > Steve Goodman > EarthLight Productions there is a fine version of this song on 'red rocks live neil young & friends' the dvd/vid that came out in '00. if ya listen to alotta neil he loops in real time but uses a 2nd guitarist to do it. ston From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 16:30:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NKT0917647; Fri, 23 May 2003 16:29:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:29:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.155.67.240] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Laptop Looping questions Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:28:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 20:28:44.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7CDE920:01C32169] Resent-Message-ID: <9aQ_6D.A.cTE.CSoz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to repost but I need to figure this out....... Hello friends, Well, I can’t always lug my 6 space looping rack around NYC & so I want to get my G3 powerbook out of the desk & set up for looping as an alternate setup. I have read some good reviews from grooves magazine about both the PSP42 & 84 so I was hoping to maybe build a setup but I need some help…. 1. I have a ‘old’ G3 powerbook 500meg 512 ram running 9.2. Should I install OSX? 2. I was checking out the aardvark USB3. The price & size seems right. I would just run my Chapman stick mono through a few petals into the interface. So, I want to keep it simple 3. In addition to getting either the 42 or 84, I wanted to get a post processor. Reverb & a maybe a good mangier… 4. What would be a good BUT cheap VST host for the 42? Or do I have to get a Cuebase/Logic ($$) setup etc? 5. Presently, if I can’t bring the rack out I just use my trusty old Digitech Echo +. Maybe I should just stick with that & forget about this laptop idea :) Thanks for help. Lou _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 16:55:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NKn8320334; Fri, 23 May 2003 16:49:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:49:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523204806.17299.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: My experience with mary jane To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200305231910.h4NJARl08265@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4uUXH.A.D8E.Mkoz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's kind of interesting that the request is for people to share their own experience of pot smoking when they get into looping. My sense of Paul's response is that's exactly what he was doing. Paul wrote: > Drugs are a prison. And just like in prison, no one > is "guilty." If you use drugs, you have been seduced > and have bartered your soul and are possessed by a very > invidious demon who will scorn at any effort or entity that invites > release. I know. I've been there. There's no way out unless > you quit. Would I be labled an "asshole" if I said that this too is my own personal experience? Paul speaks directly to my experience with his words. If I didn't have these experiences, I would probably be calling Paul an asshole with the rest of you. I have always been very accepting of the choices that other people make about their own lives, how they live them, and how they destroy them. Pot is just one of the many ways we can enhance or destroy our potential. Partially, we are in control of our own destiny. It is my experience that smoking pot opens up channels or doorways where we give up some of that control. Additionally, it opens up other doors that can help our creativity and potential. Though I gave up smoking pot about 29 years ago, I can still feel what it feels like to be stoned. And when I listen to music these days, I know that I listen in a way that comes from the "opening up" experience that I obtained from pot. I gained some things when I smoked pot. I also lost some things. Looking back, I would not do it again. For me, the losses are incredibly high. And I don't know if I would have ever seen that if I still smoked occassionally. Paul again: > My beef is with the drugs and the cartel and the possessors of > the soul. It's a WEED, folks. Like poison ivy. > Beware is all I suggest. Be very wary. This is really very good advice. He is not telling you that you are bad, rather he is saying be very wary. This is also my advice. This is my experience of pot within my own life and my experience of friends and seeing their relationship to music and life and love and how much of a toll that pot takes on these things. Paul one more time: > I shouldn't be surprised how angry the demon > makes some people, though. Actually, I was shocked with how much name calling went on here on this list. It's hard for me to fathom how much anger Paul's words stirred up among the looper's community. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this one. Paul spoke his truth very openly and very passionately and I applaud him for that. I don't agree with everything that he said, though there were moments of brilliance. I hope that there is still an openness in people's hearts to hear these words without feeling attacked. I hate to see people in jail for smoking or selling pot. I wish it were legalized. And I hope that people who see clearly continue to speak their truth without fear of backlash. I myself am enamoured with the sober state. I wish to associate with like minded people when playing music (don't we all?). And I fully accept all my pot smoking friends with open arms and an open heart. And I for one shall continue to speak my truth. In honesty, Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 16:57:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NKnjW20421; Fri, 23 May 2003 16:49:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:49:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030523201410.743.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:49:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 20:49:13.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4CA4240:01C3216C] Resent-Message-ID: <6_Ts_C.A.T-E.Ploz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't recomend this magazine enough. It's my favourite publication. bIz ------------ groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like some vintage jazz singer from my dad's record collection. Definitely not for me." ------------ Are you still here? The message is over. Shoo! Go away! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Squid Loop" To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > http://www.tapeop.com/ > > You can order back issues. The one you want is #34 but > while you are there why don't you get a free > subscription .. it's a great publication. You won't > get #34 but you can order that one for a small fee. > > The interview is with JD Foster. > > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > This would definetly interest me, do you have a > > link? > > Louie > > --- Squid Loop wrote: > > > Yeah in the last issue of Tape Op his producer > > talks > > > about his choice of guitars and having to make 'em > > > sound good :) > > > > > > > > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > > > Wow,really? he has such a fat tone on those Cds > > i > > > > swore it was something sofisticated like a > > > Gretsch.I > > > > also saw him in switzerland playing with a lne6 > > > DL4 > > > > but he didn´t do much looping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Squid Loop wrote: > > > > > Mark Ribot likes to use cheap Sears guitars on > > > his > > > > > records because of the challenge of playing > > one > > > of > > > > > those things ... he used one on the first > > > > Prostetic > > > > > Cubans cd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Paul wrote: > > > > > > << relatively low quality, -to me at least, > > > that > > > > > > impacts the general quality > > > > > > of the > > > > > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat > > > > copy, > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Totally irrelevant. Heck, my first guitar > > was > > > a > > > > > > cheap Harmony. Years later, > > > > > > my nephew inheirited the ax and he was using > > > it > > > > > > while playing with his band. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've often wanted to buy one of the cheapest > > > > > guitars > > > > > > at a mail order joint > > > > > > just to see what I could do with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Goddess" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:46 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether the statement is accurate is > > > > anyone's > > > > > > guess; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. > > > > > > -Considering that it has a bit > > > > > > of > > > > > > > trouble staying in tune, and most of the > > > > > hardware > > > > > > on it is relatively low > > > > > > > quality, -to me at least, that impacts the > > > > > general > > > > > > quality of the > > > > > > > instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a > > strat > > > > > copy, > > > > > > according to the > > > > > > > line-6 rep. -or at least the model that > > > he'd > > > > > > demoed with some of the > > > > > > > employees at the store where I teach, was. > > > > > > This > > > > > > is why I'm concerned. > > > > > > > -With issues like that, the modeling just > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > justify spending that > > > > > > > kind of money to me. -That's all... > > > -just > > > > my > > > > > > opinion, and perhaps they > > > > > > > will, or have already upgraded the guitar. > > > > > > > -It's > > > > > > certainly possible. > > > > > > > I'll still try one for myself... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > ><< what I know from co-workers who've > > > tried > > > > > it, > > > > > > is basically a really > > > > > > cheap > > > > > > > >strat >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >But.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Whether the statement is accurate is > > > anyone's > > > > > > guess; i.e. that there's a > > > > > > 50% > > > > > > > >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in > > > the > > > > > > software/hardware/development > > > > > > > >end (per the article on the Variax in > > > Guitar > > > > > > Player). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >However, there are some nice axes > > available > > > > now > > > > > > in the approx. $500 price > > > > > > > >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 > > > which > > > > is > > > > > > really well-made for the > > > > > > > >price point. I also bought a close out of > > a > > > > > > Jackson DK-2S with the > > > > > > Sustainer > > > > > > > >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and > > > > decked > > > > > > out for 4 big ones. > > > > > > 'Course, > > > > > > > >if it's a $149 item, that's another > > story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regarsd, Paul > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "Goddess" > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What bothers me about this though, is > > > > that > > > > > > the guitar itself, from > > > > > > what > > > > > > > >I > > > > > > > >> know from co-workers who've tried it, > > is > > > > > > basically a really cheap > > > > > > strat, > > > > > > > >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of > > > > money > > > > > > for an instrument, > > > > > > > >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just > > > my > > > > > > thoughts... > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Smiles, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Cara > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: > > > > > > > >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM > > > > > Eastern > > > > > > Daylight Time, > > > > > > > >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > So how much are this sweeties? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > about $999.00.....i was > > > > > > > >> >surprised by the very positive reviews > > > on > > > > > both > > > > > > accounts and the talk > > > > > > of > > > > > > > >> >expandability in the near future, > > > ability > > > > to > > > > > > download new models > > > > > > (sounds) > > > > > > > >> >into the variax and directly connect > > to > > > a > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 17:56:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NLt9a27700; Fri, 23 May 2003 17:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 23:53:50 +0200 Subject: Re: My experience with mary jane Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-257702881 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030523204806.17299.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <09BE3B73-8D69-11D7-BB70-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-257702881 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 10:48 pm, S V G wrote: >> Drugs are a prison. And just like in prison, no one >> is "guilty." If you use drugs, you have been seduced >> and have bartered your soul and are possessed by a very >> invidious demon who will scorn at any effort or entity that invites >> release. I know. I've been there. There's no way out unless >> you quit. > > Would I be labled an "asshole" if I said that this too is my own > personal experience? Paul > speaks directly to my experience with his words. If I didn't have > these experiences, I would > probably be calling Paul an asshole with the rest of you. Nobody would label you an arsehole. :) There was something in Pauls response that got a lot of people's backs up. If you read the entire thread, you can see that he was baiting people (trolling), and got what he deserved. I don't like flame wars onlist, and detest name calling, but I'm sorry - he had it coming. He trolled in a very undiplomatic way. Some people have negative views regarding narcotics. This can be due to a number of reasons: - It simply does not work for them... no buzz... no inspiration... my girlfriend is a prime example. - Paranoia. A lot of people don't get high in the same way that others do, and instead, become very paranoid. - Abuse. Not being able to control the consumation and simply taking too much. - Psychological problems. Grass can be dangerous if you do not have a strong mind. - Peer pressure. 'All drugs are bad M'kay?' (believe it or not, that was me until the age of 19!). - Other drugs/chemicals/alcohol in the system. You can have adverse psychological reactions if you mix. - Knowing people who have fucked up on drugs. The list goes on and on. I think I said quite early on in the thread that I appreciated people's viewpoints and respected them. What paul did was stand on the pulpit and lecture grown men and women, and pigeonholed the whole lot of us who did not agree with his narrowminded view. He could have quite simply put across his point of view (as you have done) in a tame, mature and diplomatic manner. There would have been no flame war if he had done so. But now, He had to troll to the extent of posting private emails onlist to stoke the fire, was sarcastic in a very rude way to a number of people, then had the audacity at the same time to write me an apology letter offlist..... sorry... but that was classic trolling. Anyway, I diverse: > Pot is just one of the many ways we can enhance or destroy our > potential. Partially, we > are in control of our own destiny. It is my experience that smoking > pot opens up channels or > doorways where we give up some of that control. Additionally, it > opens up other doors that canhelp our creativity and potential. A superb point. It opens doors - at least it does so in me. As for giving up control, it is a balance - as you open up one door, another closes. As you venture out in one direction, another closes. It does enhance and destroy potential. The key word is control, understanding the drug and making sure that you do not abuse it. > I gained some things when I smoked pot. I also lost some things. > Looking back, I would not > do it again. For me, the losses are incredibly high. And I don't > know if I would have ever seen > that if I still smoked occassionally. Did you smoke heavily? Or were you just an occasional smoker? I don't know what you lost, and I wont pry into your personal life, but you could say that about any aspect of anyone's life. There are actions and reactions throughout that you can look back on and say 'if I had only done that differently'.... pot smoking is one of them.... breaking up/forming relationships is another... moving too... I'm trying to make a point here, but its hard to put into words :) > Paul spoke his truth very openly and very passionately > and I applaud him for that. I don't agree with everything that he > said, though there were moments > of brilliance. I hope that there is still an openness in people's > hearts to hear these words > without feeling attacked. Yes, I did actually read every word he said. But his 10% of brilliance was polluted with 90% of shit. If he had cut out the patronising flames, then he would have had a different response from the list. (In the same way that you are having). > I hate to see people in jail for smoking or selling pot. I wish > it were legalized. And I > hope that people who see clearly continue to speak their truth without > fear of backlash. I myself > am enamoured with the sober state. I wish to associate with like > minded people when playing music > (don't we all?). And I fully accept all my pot smoking friends with > open arms and an open heart. > And I for one shall continue to speak my truth. Thank you :) --Apple-Mail-4-257702881 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 10:48 pm, S V G wrote: Drugs are a prison. And just like in prison, no one is "guilty." If you use drugs, you have been seduced and have bartered your soul and are possessed by a very invidious demon who will scorn at any effort or entity that invites release. I know. I've been there. There's no way out unless you quit. Would I be labled an "asshole" if I said that this too is my own personal experience? Paul speaks directly to my experience with his words. If I didn't have these experiences, I would probably be calling Paul an asshole with the rest of you. Nobody would label you an arsehole. :) There was something in Pauls response that got a lot of people's backs up. If you read the entire thread, you can see that he was baiting people (trolling), and got what he deserved. I don't like flame wars onlist, and detest name calling, but I'm sorry - he had it coming. He trolled in a very undiplomatic way. Some people have negative views regarding narcotics. This can be due to a number of reasons: - It simply does not work for them... no buzz... no inspiration... my girlfriend is a prime example. - Paranoia. A lot of people don't get high in the same way that others do, and instead, become very paranoid. - Abuse. Not being able to control the consumation and simply taking too much. - Psychological problems. Grass can be dangerous if you do not have a strong mind. - Peer pressure. 'All drugs are bad M'kay?' (believe it or not, that was me until the age of 19!). - Other drugs/chemicals/alcohol in the system. You can have adverse psychological reactions if you mix. - Knowing people who have fucked up on drugs. The list goes on and on. I think I said quite early on in the thread that I appreciated people's viewpoints and respected them. What paul did was stand on the pulpit and lecture grown men and women, and pigeonholed the whole lot of us who did not agree with his narrowminded view. He could have quite simply put across his point of view (as you have done) in a tame, mature and diplomatic manner. There would have been no flame war if he had done so. But now, He had to troll to the extent of posting private emails onlist to stoke the fire, was sarcastic in a very rude way to a number of people, then had the audacity at the same time to write me an apology letter offlist..... sorry... but that was classic trolling. Anyway, I diverse: Pot is just one of the many ways we can enhance or destroy our potential. Partially, we are in control of our own destiny. It is my experience that smoking pot opens up channels or doorways where we give up some of that control. Additionally, it opens up other doors that canhelp our creativity and potential. A superb point. It opens doors - at least it does so in me. As for giving up control, it is a balance - as you open up one door, another closes. As you venture out in one direction, another closes. It does enhance and destroy potential. The key word is control, understanding the drug and making sure that you do not abuse it. I gained some things when I smoked pot. I also lost some things. Looking back, I would not do it again. For me, the losses are incredibly high. And I don't know if I would have ever seen that if I still smoked occassionally.0000,6363,1212 Did you smoke heavily? Or were you just an occasional smoker? I don't know what you lost, and I wont pry into your personal life, but you could say that about any aspect of anyone's life. There are actions and reactions throughout that you can look back on and say 'if I had only done that differently'.... pot smoking is one of them.... breaking up/forming relationships is another... moving too... I'm trying to make a point here, but its hard to put into words :) Paul spoke his truth very openly and very passionately and I applaud him for that. I don't agree with everything that he said, though there were moments of brilliance. I hope that there is still an openness in people's hearts to hear these words without feeling attacked. Yes, I did actually read every word he said. But his 10% of brilliance was polluted with 90% of shit. If he had cut out the patronising flames, then he would have had a different response from the list. (In the same way that you are having). I hate to see people in jail for smoking or selling pot. I wish it were legalized. And I hope that people who see clearly continue to speak their truth without fear of backlash. I myself am enamoured with the sober state. I wish to associate with like minded people when playing music (don't we all?). And I fully accept all my pot smoking friends with open arms and an open heart. And I for one shall continue to speak my truth.0000,6363,1212 Thank you :) --Apple-Mail-4-257702881-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 18:05:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NM5Ft29961; Fri, 23 May 2003 18:05:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:05:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c32177$a17db1e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030523193119.68970.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: happy with what you have to be happy with -- was -- brain stem Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:06:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [151.199.39.6] at Fri, 23 May 2003 17:04:31 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <3XyivC.A.LTH.1rpz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Picking up on Richard's theme, according to this article, Buddhists know well how to be happy with what they have to be happy with. :-) http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=857&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/20030521/od_uk_nm/oukoe_health_buddhists David UNDO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: brain stem > --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > > > Interestingly, my guitar teacher would also stress the importance of > > focusing awareness on the brain stem while practicing - he told me > > this about a year after my LSD experience, and without my telling him > > about it. > > How does one focus awareness on the brain stem (without the use of mind altering > substances)? > > I mean, I can think about my neck, but my brain stem? > > Greg > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 18:20:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NMJMb30972; Fri, 23 May 2003 18:19:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:19:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030523221846.48303.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: please no more emails about pot and or the likes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030523204806.17299.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com drugs or no drugs...religion or no religion...repeater or EDP...does it really matter? if you do, great...if you don't great...if you feel the need to share your personal experiences with drugs (psychadelics usually have the best stories), then let's start emailing each other off-list about this stuff. i don't mind my inbox exploding because there was an EDP upgrade, but to read about people bitching about drugs and what they do in the own privacy is not my business. let's get back to looping and musical equipment discussions, this is silly (and i've only read one or two of the druggie emails). i also realize that this email may spark more discussion, so in the sense of saving some bandwidth, email me privately to curse me out for telling you to keep your drug opinions offlist - i'll happily trade stories with ya or share my thoughts. sorry for taking up some more bandwidth on this, but it is in an effort to prevent this downward spiral and losing valued list members who offer incredible advice on gear and looping techniques. gettin loopy from a machine...e va n __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 18:55:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NMsT701614; Fri, 23 May 2003 18:54:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:54:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c3217e$91dd4820$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030523221846.48303.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: please no more emails about pot and or the likes Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:56:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.160.33.246] at Fri, 23 May 2003 17:54:11 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second this proposal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: please no more emails about pot and or the likes > drugs or no drugs...religion or no religion...repeater > or EDP...does it really matter? if you do, great...if > you don't great...if you feel the need to share your > personal experiences with drugs (psychadelics usually > have the best stories), then let's start emailing each > other off-list about this stuff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 18:58:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NMtmb01845; Fri, 23 May 2003 18:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:55:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:55:28 EDT Subject: Re: Laptop Looping questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4NMtcB01752 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/23/03 1:29:35 PM, tarbit@hotmail.com writes: << but I need some help…. 1. I have a ‘old’ G3 powerbook 500meg 512 ram running 9.2. Should I install OSX?>> >> I would say no on that. If you have it running 9.2 and stable don't mess with it. I have heard that you need a different processing configuration for OS X than the old G3 has. Just anecdotal, but in any case, much mac music software seems to be still in pre-X mode. <<<4. What would be a good BUT cheap VST host for the 42? Or do I have to get a Cuebase/Logic ($$) setup etc? >>> There is Cubasis which is around $79 now I think, although it seems they are either discontinuing it or not making an upgrade to OS X. There is also a version of Logic in the $99 range. Still, you will need to contact the psp42 makers (webpage?) and see what's compatible. These are basically Lite versions of the software that cannot handle some vst thingies. hope that helps regards BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 19:01:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NMrXE01511; Fri, 23 May 2003 18:53:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:53:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:53:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200305231853.AA24838178@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Laptop Looping questions X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4NMrKB01464 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >1. I have a ‘old’ G3 powerbook 500meg 512 ram running 9.2. Should I install >OSX? > Not unless you need or want to. I think OSX may be a bit to much for your machine and would eat valuable system resources that would best be used for looping. >3. In addition to getting either the 42 or 84, I wanted to get a post >processor. Reverb & a maybe a good mangier… > >4. What would be a good BUT cheap VST host for the 42? Or do I have to get a >Cuebase/Logic ($$) setup etc? > You might want to look at Live, besides being set up for much more sophisticated looping scenarios, it also works as a decent VST host and comes with a decent reverb as well. You might want to verify that the PSP works with it though, as I've noticed that not all of my plug-ins do. It might be better suited for what you want to do, although Cubase will do it too I'm sure. >5. Presently, if I can’t bring the rack out I just use my trusty old >Digitech Echo +. Maybe I should just stick with that & forget about this >laptop idea :) > I'm getting tired of keeping my old gear working. I'm going software baby! Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 19:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4NN28f03789; Fri, 23 May 2003 19:02:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:02:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <5FE065E5-8D10-11D7-B098-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:01:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0422_01C32144.95E40FB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2003 23:01:42.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[468CC660:01C3217F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0422_01C32144.95E40FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>I've had a thing with the repeater where, despite getting a good midi = clock at 80-100 bpm, say, it will record a loop and ? >>then act like the original tempo was 160-200. this results in the loop = being half as big as it should be, and time-stretched >>to fit the = actual tempo. is there a quick way to disable the software "helpers" = that determine the loop point? I'm guessing >>they are the culprit.... >I had this problem also, which was one of the reasons why I ditched the = Repeater... I was playing with a computer >musician who used Live! as = the midi source, and at random intervals, my loops doubled in speed. It = was frustrating, and >destroyed a lot of the music that we strived to = create I've been using a repeater hooked synched to a XL-7 sequencer, and never = experienced this problem. bIz ------------ groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday = Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could = do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ "The war isn't the war between the blacks and the whites, the liberals = and the conservatives, or the Federation and the Romulans. It's between = the clueful and the clueless." ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stuart Wyatt=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:19 AM Subject: Re: Repeater On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:38 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: I tried to investigate further to find the cause of this, but I could = not replicate this bug at will. I think it is just one of those strange Repeater bugs :( ------=_NextPart_000_0422_01C32144.95E40FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>I've had a thing with the repeater where, despite = getting a=20 good midi clock at 80-100 bpm, say, it will record a loop and ?
>>then act like the original tempo was 160-200. this results = in the=20 loop being half as big as it should be, and time-stretched >>to = fit the=20 actual tempo. is there a quick way to disable the software "helpers" = that=20 determine the loop point? I'm guessing >>they are the = culprit....

>I had this problem also, which was one = of the=20 reasons why I ditched the Repeater... I was playing with a computer = >musician=20 who used Live! as the midi source, and at random intervals, my loops = doubled in=20 speed. It was frustrating, and >destroyed a lot of the music that we = strived=20 to create
 
 
I've been using a repeater hooked = synched to a XL-7=20 sequencer, and never experienced this problem.
 
 
bIz
 
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groovetronica.com - "No = offense,=20 but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows = me=20 technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck = and a=20 microphone."
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"The war isn't the war between the = blacks and=20 the whites, the liberals and the conservatives, or the Federation and = the=20 Romulans. It's between the clueful and the clueless."
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stuart Wyatt
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:19 = AM
Subject: Re: Repeater


On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:38 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 wrote:



I tried to investigate further to find the cause = of=20 this, but I could not replicate this bug at will.

I think it is = just=20 one of those strange Repeater bugs :( ------=_NextPart_000_0422_01C32144.95E40FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 22:18:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O2IAA22723; Fri, 23 May 2003 22:18:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:18:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000401c3217e$91dd4820$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20030523221846.48303.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> <000401c3217e$91dd4820$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:17:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: please no more emails about pot and or the likes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:56 PM -0400 5/23/03, David wrote: >I second this proposal. Me too!! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 23:09:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O38pv28010; Fri, 23 May 2003 23:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 23:08:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <049a01c3217f$216fbcc0$bda44a43@g0wn7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:15:53 -0700 To: "jimfowler" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: more about line mixers Resent-Message-ID: <0nUlX.A.O1G.wIuz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a rane splitter mixer, and though I've never used it in the way you are describing, I believe it is possible as the sm62 has 6 individual ins and 6 outs in addittion to a master stereo out pair, and stereo input pair. I believe you could, for instance ,run your input signal into channel one, take the individual output from that channel and send it to the edp. Then return the edp set to 100% wet to another channel input. Unfortunately, there are no effects sends on this unit, but it is pretty transparent and makes a great sub-mixer. Bill Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 23:47:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O3l2B30723; Fri, 23 May 2003 23:47:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 23:47:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:46:47 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Laptop Looping questions In-reply-to: <200305231853.AA24838178@mail.unitcircle.com> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5873B6AA-8D9A-11D7-8B66-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 03:53 PM, Kevin Goldsmith wrote: > I'm getting tired of keeping my old gear working. I'm going software > baby! > Here's something to take into consideration. I purchased a really cool set of plug ins known as the Nautilus Bundle. Really interesting stuff, with a great real time granular synthesizer. When MOTU announced that they were coming out with a Digital Performer for OSX, I wrote to Audio Ease and asked if they were going to release a version for OSX. They said they "had a version running" in their office, but were not ready to release it yet. Almost a year later I wrote to see if they were close and got a cryptic "We have no plans to release the plug ins any time soon." I have a feeling I'll never see that upgrade. So, if I would have spent the $300 on hardware, I'd have a working version of it right now, instead of a $300 coaster. I had no choice but to upgrade my computer and operating system, as I have to keep up with my clients and the software they use. They also expect me to work at a speed that modern computers work. So, I could reboot in OS9 to use my old software, but that's a pain in the ass, and I probably won't bother. I'm lucky to have purchased a computer that still boots in OS9, as the new ones do not. So that's the problem with software. Be careful, is my opinion. I've gotten used to using software packages that just die. Metro. Great software. Now gone. Same thing happens with hardware, but at least if the company goes out of business (Hi Electrix!) at least you have the gear. Of course hardware becomes impossible to get repaired, but it seems to last a hell of a lot longer than software seems to these days! As I say all this, I'm about to down load the demo of the '42 and do some software based looping! Weeee! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 00:25:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O4Oei01957; Sat, 24 May 2003 00:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:24:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5873B6AA-8D9A-11D7-8B66-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> References: <5873B6AA-8D9A-11D7-8B66-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:22:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Laptop Looping questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:46 PM -0700 5/23/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I wrote to Audio Ease and asked if they were going to release a >version for OSX... Almost a year later I wrote to see if they were >close and got a cryptic "We have no plans to release the plug ins >any time soon." I have a feeling I'll never see that upgrade. If it's any consolation, a lot of software runs better on OS 9 than X. >I've gotten used to using software packages that just die. Metro. >Great software. Now gone. Same thing happens with hardware, but at >least if the company goes out of business (Hi Electrix!) at least >you have the gear. If the software used to work OK it will probably still work OK as long as you use the old OS and (probably) the old computer. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 00:30:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O4TfI02320; Sat, 24 May 2003 00:29:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:29:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:29:30 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4FFAA7FC-8DA0-11D7-8B66-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4O4TVB02287 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds like maybe a problem with the MIDI source, not the Repeater. I've got a Repeater that works fine, but sometimes my sequencer will glitch out if I've got way too much going on in a fast sequence and it will momentarily spit out bad clock (Roland MC-307) It's happened a bunch of times, but only in really fast (160 bpm) and dense sequences. The Repeater will try to chase it and then get all confused. The only thing you can do is restart the sequence at that point, and then they'll be back in sync. I've just learned you can't put too much in the sequence if the BPM is high. Mark On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 04:01 PM, sserendipity wrote: > >>>I've had a thing with the repeater where, despite getting a good > midi clock at 80-100 bpm, say, it will record a loop and ? > >>then act like the original tempo was 160-200. this results in the > loop being half as big as it should be, and time-stretched >>to fit the > actual tempo. is there a quick way to disable the software "helpers" > that determine the loop point? I'm guessing >>they are the culprit.... > > >I had this problem also, which was one of the reasons why I ditched > the Repeater... I was playing with a computer >musician who used Live! > as the midi source, and at random intervals, my loops doubled in speed. > It was frustrating, and >destroyed a lot of the music that we strived > to create >   >   > I've been using a repeater hooked synched to a XL-7 sequencer, and > never experienced this problem. >   >   > bIz >   > ------------ > groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday > Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I > could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." > ------------ > "The war isn't the war between the blacks and the whites, the liberals > and the conservatives, or the Federation and the Romulans. It's between > the clueful and the clueless." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stuart Wyatt > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:19 AM > Subject: Re: Repeater > > > On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:38 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > > I tried to investigate further to find the cause of this, but I could > not replicate this bug at will. > > I think it is just one of those strange Repeater bugs :( > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 00:35:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O4YrK03029; Sat, 24 May 2003 00:34:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:34:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5873B6AA-8D9A-11D7-8B66-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> References: <5873B6AA-8D9A-11D7-8B66-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:34:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Laptop Looping questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:46 PM -0700 5/23/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I've gotten used to using software packages that just die. Metro. Great software. Now gone. Actually, Metro lives. See http://www.sagantech.biz/ >Same thing happens with hardware, but at least if the company goes out of business (Hi Electrix!) at least you have the gear. Of course hardware becomes impossible to get repaired, but it seems to last a hell of a lot longer than software seems to these days! And then there's the case of hardware that relies on software. My Nord Modular went way down in utility for me when Clavia cancelled the version of the software that was going to work on OS X and work better on Win XP. There are betas of the OS X editor floating around but nothing that I could use full time. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 01:28:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O5SDb08408; Sat, 24 May 2003 01:28:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:28:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace R. Meyer" To: Subject: Pot Smoking Loopers Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:27:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c321b5$399243f0$00c9bc3f@DellaReese> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <09BE3B73-8D69-11D7-BB70-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- This is Gary Lehmann . . . Sorry to have to continue this thread, but what I have to say has merit. I did 8 months on a one year sentence for sale of marijuana (that's a felony, boys and girls) while serving in the Air Force in Florida in 1971. It was this traumatic experience that cemented my resolve to try to make a living from playing music--I figured I had fucked up my life enough, it was time to go for broke and do what I REALLY loved. I managed to make a living in San Diego playing music for twenty years--much of the time stoned (!) Haven't managed to indulge for a while--day and night with Candy, and she IS a nurse! But as Cara will testify, it hasn't affected my demeanor much (misdemeanor???) That is all-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 01:51:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O5ocq09661; Sat, 24 May 2003 01:50:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:50:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulzric@aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.98ee436.2c00621c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:50:20 EDT Subject: Re: Pot Smoking Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have jammed solo and with others on everything except heroin and ecstasy, as I've never taken these. The drugs increased a perception of cohesion amongs the players, probably induced by the agreement to partake in the ingestion; the rituals of sharing, passing; and finally the slow, unstoppable chemical shift. I have recordings of "boring" sessions sans substances, and sessions with. The material without was, even reluctantly admitted when I was a stoner, better in the sense of being cleaner, clearer, more focused, less wandering. The material while on would take very strange turns. Some of it was musical, but it tended to drift aimlessly, become creepy sometimes. There were moments when a theme was explored and was successful, but it would rarely involve a key change. Or at least not a smooth one. Some remarkable pieces while on LSD needed lots of tweaking later in Digital Performer in order to sound better. And as I listen now, it's still not as remarkable as it sounded with the residue still making love to my dendrites, axons, and swirling in the bloodstream. I found that if I learned and practiced while sober, and then smoked (or whatever), my playing would become very different, while still utilizing the skills I honed clear of the chemical shift. I also noticed that my memory would not serve as reliably, that I'd rediscover the wheel while playing, so to speak, and became fascinated with my own sounds rather than the band's. We would become ball-hogs who shared the ball rather than a team with a goal in mind. I would also buy and sell equipment impulsively. I regret the loss of a nice PRS, a The Strat, and a vibro champ. Some can get by with the memories. Others should never try them as they will be hurt. Shamans in the amazon will give westerners the ayahuasca root, but warn that they may die. Don Juan warns against the allies a user may conjure. But that was fiction...right? I am not for recreational use. We were a band capable of playing and recording while high. We were aired on various public radio programs. I listen to the music now and I'm not as hyped about it as I was then. This still happens, though, even without chemicals. But there is a difference, both in composition and mood. The stuff I create today I would not trade for a moment of success while on drugs. Plus, it's more fun. I enjoy having my body to myself as I was born with, not dabbling with postnatal chemical recreations. The memories instilled by the experiences serve just fine to ease me into a place of heightened performances. If drugs did anything, it was transitory and certainly nothing that I would want to rely on in order to perform. I have therefore had to train myself to relearn the instrument and all that it entails: that desire to continue playing, the pleasure, the accuracy, creativity, exploration... I would not repeat my earlier experiences. They were neither good nor bad and that is my personal danger. Normal consciousness is boring, mundane, routine. Altered consciousness is life- affirming. It's like breathing cool air on a clear midnight and seeing the "stars" and knowing that they are more than words in the mind, but real, mystically suspended, beautiful, unfathomably distant and unknowable objects... The challenge for me is a recognition (re-cognition) of this wonder without any further outside assistance than the stars themselves. DMT may be able to awaken the kundalini, but so can.... This is what I meant to say. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 01:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O5wGp10095; Sat, 24 May 2003 01:58:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:58:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Romonascram@aol.com Message-ID: <21.2fb41a0f.2c0063e4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:57:56 EDT Subject: Re: please no more emails about pot and or the likes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_21.2fb41a0f.2c0063e4_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_21.2fb41a0f.2c0063e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My mail has been bombarded with the subject of ill licensed paraphenelia. Aghast I write because you've entered my e-mail and I just want to clarify disinterest, infact be aware music is the madness behind my loop explorations. Sadly, webers are using any site necessary to write. Scram no view. --part1_21.2fb41a0f.2c0063e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My mail has been bombarded with the subject of ill lic= ensed paraphenelia.  Aghast I write because you've entered my e-mail an= d I just want to clarify disinterest, infact be aware music is the madness b= ehind my loop explorations.  Sadly, webers are using any site necessary= to write.  Scram no view. --part1_21.2fb41a0f.2c0063e4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 02:47:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O6kDg14035; Sat, 24 May 2003 02:46:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 02:46:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:48:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Laptop Looping questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: James Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <8rHOFC.A.CbD.pUxz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 05:55 PM, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > it. I have heard that you need a different processing configuration > for OS X > than the old G3 has. Just anecdotal, but in any case, much mac music > software if it's a Pismo (firewre/usb), at 500 mhz, and you have 512 mb of ram, it should run OS 10 with no problems whatsoever. i've been running Jaguar on this machine since it was available as a developer release (i'm the alpha tester for a MIDI sequencer), and it runs even better in 10 than it did in 9. no kidding. of course, i wouldn't load it up with plugins. it's possible/likely that you may not be able to get the expected results with your preferred software with OS10 on a Pismo, but for all the basic OS apps and some others (adobe photoshop, illustrator, iMovie, so on) it works great. i'll bet Reason probably runs well on it, but i don't have a copy to try it with. i don't look back, i'm pretty happy. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 03:01:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O70sQ16171; Sat, 24 May 2003 03:00:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 03:00:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030524070026.63671.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Pot Smoking Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1e3.98ee436.2c00621c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5GxkQB.A.W8D.Qixz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interesting that you mention Don Juan i wrote the song "Las ensenansas the don Juan"(The teachings of don juan) you can listen to it here http://www.labalou.com/projects1.htm Ive never done hallucinogens but i like a lot of psychodelic music and reading.I am fascinated by castanedas books...they sort of take me to a wonderful psychodelic and imaginary state... Louie > Some can get by with the memories. Others should > never try them as they will > be hurt. Shamans in the amazon will give westerners > the ayahuasca root, but > warn that they may die. Don Juan warns against the > allies a user may conjure. > But that was fiction...right? I am not for > recreational use. > > We were a band capable of playing and recording > while high. We were aired on > various > public radio programs. I listen to the music now and > I'm not as hyped about > it as I was > then. This still happens, though, even without > chemicals. But there is a > difference, > both in composition and mood. The stuff I create > today I would not trade for > a moment of success while on drugs. Plus, it's more > fun. I enjoy having my > body to myself as I > was born with, not dabbling with postnatal chemical > recreations. > > The memories instilled by the experiences serve just > fine to ease me into a > place of heightened performances. If drugs did > anything, it was transitory and > certainly nothing that I would want to rely on in > order to perform. I have > therefore had to train myself to relearn the > instrument and all that it entails: > that desire to continue > playing, the pleasure, the accuracy, creativity, > exploration... I would not > repeat my > earlier experiences. They were neither good nor bad > and that is my personal > danger. > > Normal consciousness is boring, mundane, routine. > Altered consciousness is > life- > affirming. It's like breathing cool air on a clear > midnight and seeing the > "stars" and knowing that they are more than words in > the mind, but real, > mystically suspended, beautiful, unfathomably > distant and unknowable objects... The > challenge for me is a recognition (re-cognition) of > this wonder without any > further outside assistance than the stars > themselves. > > DMT may be able to awaken the kundalini, but so > can.... > > This is what I meant to say. > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 03:08:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O78Q016727; Sat, 24 May 2003 03:08:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 03:08:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:08:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7C2D82A6-8DB6-11D7-B2C7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 07:53 AM, Geoff Smith wrote: >> At 12:16 PM +0200 5/23/03, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >>> I would be very interested to share my ideas about pot and music, >>> and would be very interested to hear other people's experiences on >>> the subject. I agree that a serious discussion about drugs and looping could be useful. Maybe more about how to reach that "zen" state where you are the loop. Or maybe there is no loop... I know there's a spoon, I just ate some ice cream with it. >> this state and was impressed by how well this psychedelic rehearsal >> "took" and showed lasting results. I've always felt like LSD and similar drugs serve as a "reset" switch. I think it's easy to get bogged down by our interpretations of the electrical signals from our senses. We start to act in a conditioned way. Cause and response. Too easy to fall into a rut. Drugs are often a cheat to break that cycle. A cheat or a creative use of resources? Depends on the type of use and intent, I imagine. Never had much use for pot, as it seemed to encourage a certain deadness I didn't enjoy. The amazing thing about doing a small amount of acid is that I've *never* felt like doing it again the next day, or even the next week or month. No matter how fun or good the experience was. It was like I had a peak at the answer, so I could easily find the path without the cheat. Again, life would creep in and distract me from that perfect moment, and after 6 mo. to a year, I'd try it again. Finally I got to a point where I rarely think about it or crave it. I think crave is a bad word... not sure what the right one is. The down low is that after LSD I knew the goal much better, so getting there without the cheat became easier. I naturally just lost interest. Grew out of it, if you will. Could I have gotten here another way? Not likely. A boy from suburban New Jersey's got a rather limited view on life and spirituality. Good resources were few and far between. My father threw away my copy of the Bhagavad Gita when he found it. (I started reading that before I had tried any psychedelics) and the catholic church only just forgave Galileo a few years ago... I think the experience that really got me was when I was in a big quandary about whether or not to play guitar, or to move to bass due to the greater need for bass players. I liked bass a lot, but it felt wrong in ways, but a good way into a band, as a good bass player is much harder to find than a good guitar player. Anyway, a jam with my brother (who's an amazing musician) while under the influence made it all so clear. I was asking the wrong question. I was putting a choice in front of my self that didn't have to be there, but in the world I was emmersed in, I couldn't see it. It let me get a bird's eye view of my situation. Anyway, I think the same clarity came through in the notes chosen. I was asking "what note should I play next?" and a drug got me to the answer "just play" faster than I could have gotten there on my own. Maybe with the right mentor/teacher I could have, but that person is a rare find, I think. Mark Sottilaro >> Interestingly, my guitar teacher would also stress the importance of >> focusing awareness on the brain stem while practicing - he told me >> this about a year after my LSD experience, and without my telling him >> about it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 03:13:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O7Csn17466; Sat, 24 May 2003 03:12:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 03:12:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030524071239.41784.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:12:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Pot Smoking Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c321b5$399243f0$00c9bc3f@DellaReese> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gary, A similar story: friend of mine went to dinner an had two glasses of wine and got thrown in Jail with criminals in San Diego,because his alcohol level didn´t pass the test.He is a respectable professional software engineer and harldy ever drinks he had to pay 1000dlls.,spend 16 hours there and attend acoholic anonimus.I had to pick him up the next day and he said "you know Louie thats it for me here in california". Now he owns an beer brewery in Mazatlán Mexico!:-)) --- "Candace R. Meyer" wrote: > Hi- > This is Gary Lehmann . . . > Sorry to have to continue this thread, but what I > have to say has merit. > I did 8 months on a one year sentence for sale of > marijuana (that's a > felony, boys and girls) while serving in the Air > Force in Florida in > 1971. > It was this traumatic experience that cemented my > resolve to try to make > a living from playing music--I figured I had fucked > up my life enough, > it was time to go for broke and do what I REALLY > loved. > I managed to make a living in San Diego playing > music for twenty > years--much of the time stoned (!) > Haven't managed to indulge for a while--day and > night with Candy, and > she IS a nurse! > But as Cara will testify, it hasn't affected my > demeanor much > (misdemeanor???) > That is all-- > Gary > > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 03:54:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O7rm419941; Sat, 24 May 2003 03:53:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 03:53:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:53:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Virtual guitars amps etc. live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030523064726.52310.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <__GVJB.A.T3E.BUyz-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 11:47 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Isee people like Adrian Belew leaving their > refigerators at home and simplifying to a johnson > amp. I've got the smaller brother to the amp that Adrian uses (Johnson JT50) and I have to say I love it. It's direct outs aren't the best, but when it goes through it's own speakers I think the tone is amazing. I leave my all tube Ampeg home and take that out for gigs. With a stereo line level effects loop, it's a must for live guitar looping with a Repeater. The last show I did I took the JT50 out with the Line6 Delay Pro and a KAOSS pad II. Set up was less than 5 minutes and I had a great time. I'm never dragging my studio gear out again. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 03:56:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O7tK020131; Sat, 24 May 2003 03:55:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 03:55:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:55:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 mp3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0A852381-8DBD-11D7-B2C7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, really nice Jon! Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 10:08 PM, Jon Wagner wrote: > Hey all- > > I've finally started to sort through some of the recordings I made at > Loopstock 2003. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 04:43:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O8gV524125; Sat, 24 May 2003 04:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 04:42:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:48:05 +0200 Subject: Re: please no more emails about pot and or the likes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Gaultier Machart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6FB8323D-8DC4-11D7-977B-000393CE04D4@noos.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yes , or i'll feel authorised to urge you American Pot Heads to > transport your high selves down in the streets, flying high on > political issues tieg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 04:58:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O8vlj25037; Sat, 24 May 2003 04:57:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 04:57:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030524085731.39038.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Virtual guitars amps etc. live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, i am going to check it out what is its street price? --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 11:47 PM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > > Isee people like Adrian Belew leaving their > > refigerators at home and simplifying to a johnson > > amp. > > I've got the smaller brother to the amp that Adrian > uses (Johnson JT50) > and I have to say I love it. It's direct outs > aren't the best, but > when it goes through it's own speakers I think the > tone is amazing. I > leave my all tube Ampeg home and take that out for > gigs. With a stereo > line level effects loop, it's a must for live guitar > looping with a > Repeater. > > The last show I did I took the JT50 out with the > Line6 Delay Pro and a > KAOSS pad II. Set up was less than 5 minutes and I > had a great time. > I'm never dragging my studio gear out again. > > Mark Sottilaro > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 06:42:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OAfxp32371; Sat, 24 May 2003 06:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:41:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010501c321e0$d3030fd0$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: stop smoking pot NOW or....... Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:39:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or you'll end like them http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/The_Nightfall_Diamonds/index-1.html Ill recommend "Silver moonlight" and "epic of the dead sea" Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 07:18:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OBHZO03098; Sat, 24 May 2003 07:17:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 07:17:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030524052157.0086e400@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 05:21:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX In-Reply-To: <007601c3205f$23a4f120$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20030521120853.008638b0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030521234608.00b8c4a0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, hang on a sec, -just to set the record straight, that post was only to address the point of the reply to my opinion re: the instrument used for the modeler. I have absolutely no problem with people playing inexpensive instruments if they like them, and I completely agree with you in that regard. I teach on the cheapest strat copy we have in the store, and like it better than instruments seven times its price. So, it's just that personally, I don't really want to spend a whole lot of cash on something like this unless the instrument itself is much better in my opinion, since, then, after you've bought it, you're then stuck with it if it decides to flake out after a bit, or need a lot of work because of limited quality to begin with. -That's all... -Hope that makes sense. Have a great weekend!, K? TTFN Cara At 08:39 AM 5/22/03 -0400, you wrote: ><< relatively low quality, -to me at least, that impacts the general quality >of the >instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat copy, >> > >Totally irrelevant. Heck, my first guitar was a cheap Harmony. Years later, >my nephew inheirited the ax and he was using it while playing with his band. > >I've often wanted to buy one of the cheapest guitars at a mail order joint >just to see what I could do with it. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Goddess" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:46 AM >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > >> Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; >> >> Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. -Considering that it has a bit >of >> trouble staying in tune, and most of the hardware on it is relatively low >> quality, -to me at least, that impacts the general quality of the >> instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat copy, according to the >> line-6 rep. -or at least the model that he'd demoed with some of the >> employees at the store where I teach, was. This is why I'm concerned. >> -With issues like that, the modeling just doesn't justify spending that >> kind of money to me. -That's all... -just my opinion, and perhaps they >> will, or have already upgraded the guitar. -It's certainly possible. >> I'll still try one for myself... >> >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara >> >> At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: >> ><< what I know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really >cheap >> >strat >> >> > >> >But.... >> > >> >Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; i.e. that there's a >50% >> >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in the >software/hardware/development >> >end (per the article on the Variax in Guitar Player). >> > >> >However, there are some nice axes available now in the approx. $500 price >> >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 which is really well-made for the >> >price point. I also bought a close out of a Jackson DK-2S with the >Sustainer >> >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and decked out for 4 big ones. >'Course, >> >if it's a $149 item, that's another story. >> > >> >Regarsd, Paul >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Goddess" >> >To: >> >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM >> >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX >> > >> > >> >> What bothers me about this though, is that the guitar itself, from >what >> >I >> >> know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap >strat, >> >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of money for an instrument, >> >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just my thoughts... >> >> >> >> Smiles, >> >> >> >> Cara >> >> >> >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: >> >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > So how much are this sweeties? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price will be about $999.00.....i was >> >> >surprised by the very positive reviews on both accounts and the talk >of >> >> >expandability in the near future, ability to download new models >(sounds) >> >> >into the variax and directly connect to a puter for those of that >> >> >bent.....michael >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >eachother. >> >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 07:25:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OBPPD03731; Sat, 24 May 2003 07:25:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 07:25:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030524053104.00872130@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 05:31:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: why pot before looping? In-Reply-To: <008801c32067$40e0cae0$1912be18@oemcomputer> References: <002001c32002$4770bce0$0201a8c0@eluk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -What about a see-thru black cat suit and body glitter with a Steinberger?! lol! -I have pics someplace... lol! Smiles, Cara At 09:26 AM 5/22/03 -0400, you wrote: >Some rich deja vu for me on this thread. When I first joined Looper's >Delight - and first got on the Internet - a few years back - I started a >similar flame by stating something to the effect of "drugs and creativity >are incompatible. " Hooo whee! >Anybody remember that conflagration? This IS a poor thread, though, in this >context and culture. Why don't we discuss the musicality of Cristina >Agulera's belly button or the compositional superiority of wearing a PRS >guitar near your crotch? >:-) >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 07:36:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OBZsX04196; Sat, 24 May 2003 07:35:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 07:35:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030524054145.00870450@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 05:41:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX In-Reply-To: <003401c3206e$d2416ba0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <3.0.5.32.20030521120853.008638b0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030521234608.00b8c4a0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -No argument here... Smiles, G-Girl At 10:31 AM 5/22/03 -0400, you wrote: >Assuming the Variax and the Roland VG are equally capable in the "sounds" >department, having it all in the guitar already is nice as it would mean one >LESS thing to carry around. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Goddess" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:46 AM >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX > > >> Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; >> >> Actually no, it's not anyone's guess. -Considering that it has a bit >of >> trouble staying in tune, and most of the hardware on it is relatively low >> quality, -to me at least, that impacts the general quality of the >> instrument, which, incidentally, IS, a strat copy, according to the >> line-6 rep. -or at least the model that he'd demoed with some of the >> employees at the store where I teach, was. This is why I'm concerned. >> -With issues like that, the modeling just doesn't justify spending that >> kind of money to me. -That's all... -just my opinion, and perhaps they >> will, or have already upgraded the guitar. -It's certainly possible. >> I'll still try one for myself... >> >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara >> >> At 03:47 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: >> ><< what I know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really >cheap >> >strat >> >> > >> >But.... >> > >> >Whether the statement is accurate is anyone's guess; i.e. that there's a >50% >> >cost in the guitar end and a 50% cost in the >software/hardware/development >> >end (per the article on the Variax in Guitar Player). >> > >> >However, there are some nice axes available now in the approx. $500 price >> >range. I bought a PRS Santana for $499 which is really well-made for the >> >price point. I also bought a close out of a Jackson DK-2S with the >Sustainer >> >for $399. Again, pretty nicely made and decked out for 4 big ones. >'Course, >> >if it's a $149 item, that's another story. >> > >> >Regarsd, Paul >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Goddess" >> >To: >> >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:08 PM >> >Subject: Re: LINE 6 VARIAX >> > >> > >> >> What bothers me about this though, is that the guitar itself, from >what >> >I >> >> know from co-workers who've tried it, is basically a really cheap >strat, >> >> and if I'm going to spend that kind of money for an instrument, >> >> it better be a nice one! lol! -just my thoughts... >> >> >> >> Smiles, >> >> >> >> Cara >> >> >> >> At 11:54 AM 5/21/03 EDT, you wrote: >> >> >In a message dated 5/21/03 3:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> >> >laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > So how much are this sweeties? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > louie.....they (GP) said street price will be about $999.00.....i was >> >> >surprised by the very positive reviews on both accounts and the talk >of >> >> >expandability in the near future, ability to download new models >(sounds) >> >> >into the variax and directly connect to a puter for those of that >> >> >bent.....michael >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >eachother. >> >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 08:03:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OC36F06978; Sat, 24 May 2003 08:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 08:03:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c321ec$6705aed0$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: Mega compact looping rig Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:02:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C321F4.C8A1A740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2003 12:02:55.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[68D8C120:01C321EC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C321F4.C8A1A740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im looking at my 2 8 unit racks and thinking there most be something moe = compact i can use. I have the urge to move around a lot latley, so i was = wondering what compact guitar rigs people are using ? Thanks David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C321F4.C8A1A740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Im looking at my 2 8 unit racks and = thinking=20 there most be something moe compact i can use. I have the urge to move=20 around a lot latley, so i was wondering what compact guitar rigs = people are=20 using ?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C321F4.C8A1A740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 08:04:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OC4Wm07208; Sat, 24 May 2003 08:04:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 08:04:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030524061014.00874100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:10:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: why pot before looping? *not irrelevant to looping* In-Reply-To: <20030522.114148.13502.61162@webmail07.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do we feel about perhaps, uh, maybe not talking about this anymore here? lol! No offense, and this isn't targetted to you specifically or anything. -It['s just been a question on my mind a whole lot around this list for a while, -how do people actually have time to play music sending and replying to so much e-mail every day? -and writing such lengthy well-thought-out provokative posts? Re: music, -when I listen to someone, I focus on the music. I like to see into the person as well, but in a curious open sense, as if meeting them, saying hello and sharing some conversation. -getting a little idea about them. "their music" is different but related at the same time. I'm sure that sounds sensible! lol! Anyway, This actually leads me to another question/issue. RE: the concept of looping and music, lol! -like we've never touched on that here before either! lol! -and never ever had a flame war around it. Anyway, sarcasm aside, in a general sense, what is it about the concept of looping, that speaks to you? -allows you to express something in yourself that the idea of music by itself, doesn't? -and what is it that it helps you express?... -can you even put it into words?... -Does this make sense? I mean, the focus here, tends to be on looping, as it should be, but is it just its context within music persay, or the concept of looping or repetition itself that draws some of us to what it is we do?... lol! -Hope that makes sense... Anyway, gonna' skat for now... Smiles, Cara At 03:41 PM 5/22/03 GMT, you wrote: > >How do we feel about caffine? I believe it a drug! I know people who loop it through their bodies over and over and then complain that they don't sleep well.... > >from the weg files..... > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 08:07:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OC7MY07483; Sat, 24 May 2003 08:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 08:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:07:07 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Mega_compact_looping_rig?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?= To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?= X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.3 (B31) pl3 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.27.184.168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4OC7DB07449 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try this: a Pod XT an Eventide Orville a looper unit that does looping differently from Orville a half rack mixer you'll be off with no more than 4 spaces...you'll save money by selling all those boxes...and enjoy A LOT! my 12 cents Italo >>Im looking at my 2 8 unit racks and thinking there most be something moe compact i can use. I have the urge to move around a lot latley, so i was wondering what compact guitar rigs people are using ? >> >>Thanks >> >>David Swain >> >>d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk >>www.onelessthannone.co.uk ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 08:46:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OCk6I09659; Sat, 24 May 2003 08:46:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 08:46:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030524065157.00aa0230@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:51:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, as a teacher, this is an interesting argument, -I don't think it's necessary to separate the idea of music with compensation. -In other words, to say that because one may think about money, they must not be thinking about music or vice versa. -Hopefully I'm reading you right. Anyway, I play and I teach, and I very much expect some compensation for my time and efforts, and am completely OK in doing so. -By this, I mean, I may not always get it, but I'd hope people around me would feel that what I'm doing is worth while enough for it. -and not because I feel that that's how I should be repaid so to speak, but because it's just a simple fact that people demand money from me in the world we live in, and I provide something. So I feel that I should be repaid for it. -otherwise, I'll starve! lol! -and then I won't be doing anybody much good, now will I?! lol! Anyway, I've learned and practiced and such, for a while, and am OK hopefully at what I do. So, with this in mind, I don't feel there's anything wrong with asking for something in return. Now, re: the music itself, when I play, or try to teach someone something, I'm not thinking of the money at all. I'm totally and completely focused on the idea at hand, and doing well by the music, -my student, -myself. -the idea itself... I try to deal with the payment issue before or after. -just my thoughts, -thought I might chime in... -Have an awesome weekend!, K? Smiles, Cara At 01:49 PM 5/22/03 -0700, you wrote: >I may be half the guitarist, but I gladly trade that for the ability to >make music with no expectation of compensation at all. I couldn't do a >wedding band thing. Music is too precious to me. Instead, I now do >media design. Total sell out, but they don't touch my music. > >Good luck Andre. I want to believe you'll succeed. In a way, you >have. On the fringe your either 1) a hack or 2) too advanced to be >understood my most. Either way, it sucks, but I think we can all agree >that you're not a hack. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 12:25 AM, ernesto schnack wrote: > >> On Wed, 21 May 2003 23:11:22 -0700, Andre LaFosse >> wrote: >>> Now, that's a better fate than assembling Nike shoes for $2.00 an >>> hour, >>> or crawling out of rubble in Baghdad right now. But when I think >>> about >>> all the traffic going through my site, and how little of an impact it >>> has on my actual day-to-day existence, it makes me wonder how much >>> time >>> I may have wasted by focusing so intensely on the EDP, as opposed to >>> more bread-and-butter things that might actually lead to my generating >>> some income from the music-related skills I've been cultivating for >>> about 25 years. >>> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 09:25:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ODPSx13621; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:25:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:25:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c321f7$c1fc9320$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loopers-Delight" References: Subject: Re: Re:Mega compact looping rig Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:24:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>Im looking at my 2 8 unit racks and thinking there most be something moe compact i can use. I have the urge to move around a lot latley, so i was wondering what compact guitar rigs people are using ?<<< well, technically it's a bass rig, but who's counting - at the moment, my 'big rig' is three EDPs, a Lexicon MPX-G2, Korg Kaoss Pad II and a Behringer 802 desk... My flight-rig is usually just two EDPs and the Lexicon. I'm going to try a setup with just one EDP, the Kaoss II and the BEhringer desk, so I can use Substitute to record stuff back into the EDP through the Kaoss... I'll report back when I've tried it... ;o) just try the Andre Rig - one EDP, one boogie amp... ;o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 09:32:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ODVnh14396; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:31:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:31:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030524073738.0157dcb0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 07:37:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: enough is enough already! In-Reply-To: <019601c320e7$de405c80$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9JppVC.A.wgD.6Q3z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NO!, I can't let it go! lol! -they said "horses!": I like horses! lol! did anyone see the Preakness Stakes?! FUNNY CIDE!! woohoo! -they went around and around and around in a great big loop! wheee! lol! -love it! lollollol! Smiles, Cara At 12:57 AM 5/23/03 -0400, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Zvonar" > >> At 10:46 PM -0500 5/22/03, Tom Roady wrote: >> >Boy do I miss Rick Walker's sense of humor on this f-----g thread... >> >> What "fucking" thread? > >Off topic and beating a dead horse. > >Let it go folks. > > >* David Beardsley >* microtonal guitar >* http://biink.com/db > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 09:39:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ODdJF14965; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:39:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:39:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:39:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1345065F-8DED-11D7-BB70-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could go for my uber-compact looping rig - just a single DL4 pedal :) You'd be amazed at how much you can do with a single pedal - not forgetting that there is an additional delay that you can use with the looping feature... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 09:39:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ODdVt15007; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:39:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:39:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:39:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Subject: Re:Mega compact looping rig From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1D0854FA-8DED-11D7-AE5C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3au40D.A.LqD.IY3z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Im looking at my 2 8 unit racks and thinking there most be something >> moe compact i can use. I have the urge to move around a lot latley, >> so i was wondering what compact guitar rigs people are using ? The key to small rigs is to give up a one or more things such as stereo, post-loop processing, or number of simultaneous loops. For my "small" setup I use a Boss GT-3 on the floor, and a four-space rack with a power distributor, an SM-26 splitter/mixer, an EDP, and a RDS-8000. This gives me two independently mixable loops with no post processing. I still have an open send and return option on the SM-26 with this setup, so I could patch in a pedal-looper, such as a PDS-8000 or the Zoom 504 or Headrush. Everything goes out to either the house PA or a single amp, a Roland KC-300. If you want to keep the option of post-loop processing, you could replace one of the rack loopers with a processor and maybe swap out the inexpensive SM-26 for an SM-82 or any other 1U mixer with actual effects send and returns. So, you'd be looking at two boxes (GT-3 and rack) and your instrument to carry in from the car in one load if you're using the house PA. If you want to go way micro, you could use a floor-based effects setup and two pedal loopers off your stereo outs, and just avoid hard stereo imaging. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 09:41:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ODfYG15339; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:41:15 +0200 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004701c321f7$c1fc9320$e0154ed5@bigboy> Message-Id: <642D4446-8DED-11D7-BB70-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <9y8o_.A.YvD.Ea3z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 03:24 pm, Steve Lawson wrote: > just try the Andre Rig - one EDP, one boogie amp... ;o) I never realised that he did all of his music using just one EDP!!! I think looping is the only style of modern music where simplicity in the equipment allows for greater sophistication and freedom in the music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 09:59:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ODwpt16627; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:58:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030524080430.01589c90@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 08:04:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: brain stem In-Reply-To: References: <20030523193119.68970.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> <20030523193119.68970.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Exactly, -How do you know you have a middle toe on your left foot without seeing or touching it, -or believing that it's there? Smiles, Cara At 12:45 PM 5/23/03 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:31 PM -0700 5/23/03, Greg House wrote: > >>How does one focus awareness on the brain stem (without the use of >>mind altering substances)? >> >>I mean, I can think about my neck, but my brain stem? > >Think deeper. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 10:50:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OEnkW21568; Sat, 24 May 2003 10:49:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:49:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022701c32203$1b0710c0$90615cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 24, 2003 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:44:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_021E_01C321E1.84A267E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021E_01C321E1.84A267E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I = also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #23 May 24, 2003. I played the music of an artist who will be appearing at the Summer = Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania on Sunday, June 22. Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Roach Palace of Nectar Mystic Chords & Sacred = Spaces (Projekt) Subsonic Experience Strengthening the Pr=E4position (DiN) Volatile Part 1 Xeroid Entity Tethys Moons of Saturn = (Electro- Music Recordings) Gert Emmens Wanderer of Time Wanderer of Time = (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Karda Estra Vela Constellations = (Cyclops) Lisa Lynne Living in Love Hopes and Dreams (New = Earth) Keiko Matsui Dawn The Piano (Kazu Music) Keiko Matsui Distance The Piano (Kazu Music) Keiko Matsui Be With Me The Piano (Kazu Music) Tommy Emmanuel Since We Met Only (Favored Nations Acoustic) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D VA [Aside Beside] Nightmare Un Voyage En Progressif = Volume 8 (Musea) VA [Steve Morse] Mood for a Day Tales from Yesterday = (Magna Carta) Echolyn Mei (1st 30 minutes) Mei (Velveteen) * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on June 7. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever = strikes my fancy. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at = http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ------=_NextPart_000_021E_01C321E1.84A267E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who=20 plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an = eclectic mix=20 of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH=20 Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you = love or=20 hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from = 8:00 am=20 to 9:30 am.
 
            =    =20     Show #23       =20             May 24, = 2003.
I played the music of an artist who will be appearing at the Summer = Solstice
Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania on Sunday, = June=20 22.
 
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

Phase I/Space:
 
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Palace of Nectar         Mystic = Chords=20 & Sacred=20 Spaces
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 (Projekt)
Subsonic Experience     Strengthening=20 the        Pr=E4position=20 (DiN)
          &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 Volatile Part 1
Xeroid=20 Entity          =20 Tethys           &= nbsp;      =20 Moons of Saturn=20 (Electro-
          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 Music Recordings)
Gert=20 Emmens           &= nbsp;=20 Wanderer of Time         = Wanderer of=20 Time (Groove)
 
Phase II/Eclectic:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Karda=20 Estra           &n= bsp;=20 Vela           &nb= sp;        =20 Constellations (Cyclops)
Lisa=20 Lynne           &n= bsp; =20 Living in = Love           Hopes=20 and Dreams (New Earth)
Keiko=20 Matsui            = Dawn           &nb= sp;        =20 The Piano (Kazu Music)
Keiko=20 Matsui            = Distance           = ;     =20 The Piano (Kazu Music)
Keiko=20 Matsui            = Be With=20 Me            = ;  =20 The Piano (Kazu Music)
Tommy=20 Emmanuel          Since We=20 Met           &nbs= p; Only=20 (Favored=20 Nations
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 Acoustic)
 
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
VA [Aside=20 Beside]      =20 Nightmare          &nbs= p;    =20 Un Voyage En Progressif=20 Volume
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 8 (Musea)
VA [Steve Morse]        = Mood for=20 a Day           Tales = from=20 Yesterday=20 (Magna
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 Carta)
Echolyn         &n= bsp;      =20 Mei (1st 30 minutes)     Mei (Velveteen)
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on June 7.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00).
Phase = 1:=20 Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the=20 Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or = whatever strikes my fancy.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past = masters to=20 comtemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and=20 click the REAL AUDIO link.
 ------=_NextPart_000_021E_01C321E1.84A267E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 11:14:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OFDxq24874; Sat, 24 May 2003 11:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.a451ccf.2c00e623@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:13:39 EDT Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1dd.a451ccf.2c00e623_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1dd.a451ccf.2c00e623_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/24/03 8:03:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > i was wondering what compact guitar rigs people are using ? guitar>zoom 2100>digi space station>boomerang>alesis air-fx>fender champ.....an easy one trip load.....michael --part1_1dd.a451ccf.2c00e623_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/24/03 8:03:21 AM Eastern Daylight= Time, d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk writes:


i was wondering what compact guitar rigs people are using= ?


guitar>zoom 2100>digi space station>boomerang>alesis air-fx>f= ender champ.....an easy one trip load.....michael --part1_1dd.a451ccf.2c00e623_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 11:44:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OFho827050; Sat, 24 May 2003 11:43:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:43:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:43:40 -0400 Subject: Looping concert in new york From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me, an orville and an echoplex. Theo, a jamman. Lotz o' looping in the classical style... Best, Todd ================================= Dear friends, I invite you come along for a beautiful, touching and compelling performance of Phil Kline's newest. Theo, David and Me... Looping and luscious music and lyrics to contemplate for daze... For a complete description, please visit http://www.salttheater.com/zippo.html ======ZIPPO SONGS=========== Airs of War and Lunacy a new song cycle by Phil Kline directed by Emma Griffin featuring Theo Bleckmann, Todd Reynolds and David Cossin HERE 145 Ave of the Americas Wednesday May 28th - Saturday May 31th @ 7:30pm Zippo Songs is based on a range of sources including: the poems of GI's inscribed on their Zippo lighters during the Viet Nam War; Donald Rumsfeld speeches; and the poetry of David Shaprio. ZIPPO SONGS has been commissioned by Salt Theater with a grant from the Mary Flagler Cary Charitable Trust Commission Program. This proudction has also received major support from the Greenwall Foundation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 11:55:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OFtBC27999; Sat, 24 May 2003 11:55:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:55:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <199.1ab8a1e4.2c00efca@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:54:50 EDT Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: <0CJITD.A.N1G.VX5z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/24/03 12:03:21 PM, d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk writes: << Im looking at my 2 8 unit racks and thinking there most be something moe compact i can use. I have the urge to move around a lot latley, so i was wondering what compact guitar rigs people are using ? >> Line 6 Flextone 2 amp with/ 2 DL4s in the amps effects loop. Most times I just run the DL4s in series: 1st one mostly for effects, 2nd for loopage. Other times I'll add a boss LS2 line switching pedal and either run the DL4s parallel or throw a PDS8000 in the mix. Also have one patch on the Flextone set up as a 3 sec looper mainly for creating droney beds which can then be captured by one of the loopers in the effects send/return. Everything fits in the back of the amp for carrying ease. System can be run in stereo with the addition of the Flextone extension cabinet. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 12:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OGQJZ31941; Sat, 24 May 2003 12:26:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:26:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1e3.98ee436.2c00621c@aol.com> References: <1e3.98ee436.2c00621c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:23:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Pot Smoking Loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:50 AM -0400 5/24/03, Paulzric@aol.com wrote: >I am not for recreational use. Ah... but what does the word "recreation" really mean?: Re-creation. I'm for that! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 12:43:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OGgXY01639; Sat, 24 May 2003 12:42:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:42:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:32:18 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: brain stem To: Greg House , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008b01c3220a$5ae23f60$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030523193119.68970.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How does one focus awareness on the brain stem (without the use of mind altering > substances)? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a function such as breathing is usually controlled by the brain stem. If I focus on my breathing, my conscious mind begins to shake hands and say "How do you do?" with my brain stem. Also, certain physical challenges requiring coordination of the left and right side of the body can open up a moment where I "see" my conscious mind commanding my muscular functions. Not quite brain stem territory, but it gets close. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 12:45:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OGibe01923; Sat, 24 May 2003 12:44:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:44:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c32214$0fceb080$6c01a044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <022701c32203$1b0710c0$90615cd1@billfox> Subject: orchestral music and looping Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:46:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C321F2.8850BA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [68.160.1.108] at Sat, 24 May 2003 11:44:22 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C321F2.8850BA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to start a thread on orchestral music and looping. A few years ago I put together a show that featured David Barnes' Echo = Chamber Ensemble. = http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200002/msg00432.html The show = was great success, and a fascinating mix of elements. David had specifically composed music for the evening for a small = ensemble of brass and strings that, at certain points, he loops and = layered back into the mix. http://web.superb.net/barnz/music/ Without going down the Cage/Stockhausen trail (please!), are their other = CURRENT examples of ensembles or orchestral music that anyone is aware = of that uses live looping in the performance setting? =20 David=20 UNDO ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C321F2.8850BA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I = would like to=20 start a thread on orchestral music and = looping.
 
A few years ago I put together a show = that featured=20 David Barnes' Echo Chamber Ensemble. ht= tp://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200002/msg00432.html =20 The show was great success, and a fascinating mix of = elements.
 
David had specifically composed music = for the=20 evening for a small ensemble of brass and strings that, at certain = points, he=20 loops and layered back into the mix.  http://web.superb.net/barnz/m= usic/
 
Without going down the = Cage/Stockhausen=20 trail (please!), are their other CURRENT = examples of=20 ensembles or orchestral music that anyone is aware of that uses live = looping in=20 the performance setting? 
 
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 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C321F2.8850BA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 13:12:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OHCPH06127; Sat, 24 May 2003 13:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:06:53 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: brain stem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c32216$e7f93640$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xYuRynNKYV0BIBWGh3o+Bg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_xYuRynNKYV0BIBWGh3o+Bg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT For those who care to know, here's link to brain structure info: http://www.neuroskills.com/index.html?main=tbi/brain.html I was glad to find that I was right about breathing! Here's a snip from the site: Brain Stem Functions: a.. Breathing b.. Heart Rate c.. Swallowing d.. Reflexes to seeing and hearing (Startle Response). e.. Controls sweating, blood pressure, digestion, temperature (Autonomic Nervous System). f.. Affects level of alertness. g.. Ability to sleep. h.. Sense of balance (Vestibular Function). My sense of it is that any discipline that develops control of these functions brings consciousness to your brain stem. Focus on your breathing. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net --Boundary_(ID_xYuRynNKYV0BIBWGh3o+Bg) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
For those who care to know, here's link to brain structure info:
I was glad to find that I was right about breathing! Here's a snip from the site:
Brain Stem Functions:
  • Breathing
  • Heart Rate
  • Swallowing
  • Reflexes to seeing and hearing (Startle Response).
  • Controls sweating, blood pressure, digestion, temperature (Autonomic Nervous System).
  • Affects level of alertness.
  • Ability to sleep.
  • Sense of balance (Vestibular Function).
My sense of it is that any discipline that develops control of these functions brings consciousness to your brain stem. Focus on your breathing.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
--Boundary_(ID_xYuRynNKYV0BIBWGh3o+Bg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 13:31:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OHUlN07972; Sat, 24 May 2003 13:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030524173021.97231.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Subject: Re:Mega compact looping rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1D0854FA-8DED-11D7-AE5C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis wrote: > > >> Im looking at my 2 8 unit racks and thinking > there most be something > >> moe compact i can use. I have the urge to move > around a lot latley, > >> so i was wondering what compact guitar rigs > people are using ? > I was hit by a car crossing the street a few years ago and now my back has been acting up to the point where sometimes I can't breathe fully. This makes carrying my 4x10 amp, guitars, pedal board and 6 space rack up and down my stairs for rehearsals or gigs not a very pleasant thing to do. So I put together a smaller looping board that only takes me about 30 seconds to setup. All I have to do is pull it out of the gig bag and connect 3 cables, one from the guitar, one to the amp and the AC power adapter. In it I am using a Headrush, compressor, a couple of boss delays and a reverb plus 2 Tube Screamers. It's a real simple setup. http://www.crapehanger.com/images/board.jpg It's great and now I can keep my rack setup at home unless I really feel like bringing it out to a gig. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 13:35:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OHYkK08444; Sat, 24 May 2003 13:34:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:34:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:37:01 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music To: Richard Zvonar , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009201c32212$becd7f00$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sxsGzoJ+9ik9TEy7uF58Nw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_sxsGzoJ+9ik9TEy7uF58Nw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/musicPhysical coordination, as in sports and music, may be due in part to one's ability (whether inborn or learned) to distribute one's consciousness throughout the body. 1) ...giving creedence to the term "thinking on one's feet." 2) ...and leading to fractal-like explorations of limits of consciousness. See also my post somewhere about breathing. --Boundary_(ID_sxsGzoJ+9ik9TEy7uF58Nw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music
Physical coordination, as in sports and music, may be due in part to one's ability (whether inborn or learned) to distribute one's consciousness throughout the body.
 
1) ...giving creedence to the term "thinking on one's feet."
2) ...and leading to fractal-like explorations of limits of consciousness. See also my post somewhere about breathing.
--Boundary_(ID_sxsGzoJ+9ik9TEy7uF58Nw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 13:59:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OHxIm12666; Sat, 24 May 2003 13:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:59:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.28.47] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re:Mega compact looping rig Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 17:58:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2003 17:58:57.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[26060D80:01C3221E] Resent-Message-ID: <-uoR7B.A.O8C.oL7z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I have tried to even keep my "big" rig down to a minimum, as I agree that looping is certainly a form which allows for a great deal of creativity with a minumum of gear. Of late it has grown a bit (fretted and fretless basses, Fodera Preamp, Raven Labs PreAmp; Raven Labs Mixer; Bagg ParaAcoustic DI, Raven Labs DI, Fishman Platinum Bass EQ/DI; Avalon U5; Upgraded and Modified JamMan; DL4; TC Electronics M-One; Roger Linn Adrenalinn; BBE 362; Behringer Mx802; Furman PL Plus Power conditioner; Stewart World 2.1 or Mackie M800 amps all into two Epifani 1x12 cabs.....whew!) So...to keep things simple, for solo loop shows I often do in small, intimate settings, I am using: Fretless Godin A5 bass; Baggs ParAcoustic DI; Adrenalinn; DL4 into a Mackie 12"Powered speaker (which I am borrowing...but since it really sounds good and does the trick am considering buying!). Everything sits on a SKB pedal board (of which I do not use any of the fx loops or power...just the board and case. a regulated isobar pwer strip is velco'd to the board), and I can set the whole shebang up in about 15 seconds! Takes up very little floor space in a Gallery, coffee shop or restaurant...sounds great. Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 15:48:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OJla324757; Sat, 24 May 2003 15:47:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:47:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:51:31 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: looping and music (was why pot before looping?) To: Goddess , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009b01c32214$c26512c0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.5.32.20030524061014.00874100@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >in a general sense, what is it about the concept > of looping, that speaks to you? -allows you to express something in > yourself that the idea of music by itself, doesn't? There's a tough one: "the idea of music by itself..." I believe that music is what we bring to listening, so for me, anything that alerts me to higher listening possibilities holds the potential for a musical experience. Recently I've been very enamored of two distinct rhythmic forms: the heartbeat rhythm of most popular music, and the wave rhythm of some classical music, and of natural events like...waves! and wind, and slow breathing. Looping creates these rhythms very easily. So when you ask: >is it just its context within music persay, or the concept > of looping or repetition itself that draws some of us to what it is we > do?... my sense of it is that you are kinda asking, "did you have an idea before you picked up the tool, or did the tool inspire the idea?" To which I would cheerfully reply, "Both!" Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net PS - Cara, were you playing loop-based music when you were wearing the cat boidysuit and glitter? And what was your intention in using a more conscious costume in your performance? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 16:02:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OK1DT27692; Sat, 24 May 2003 16:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:01:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030524200102.67258.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: looping and music (was why pot before looping?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009b01c32214$c26512c0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >in a general sense, what is it about the concept > > of looping, that speaks to you? -allows you to > express something in > > yourself that the idea of music by itself, > doesn't? > Why do so many people separate looping from music? It's just a technique like finger-picking or slide guitar and not that big of a deal. Everybody and their mother is doing it these days :) I am curios as to how many people here consider themselves loopers as apposed to a guitarist or bassist or percussionist or DJ etc. that incorporates loops into their music? I've always found that interesting. Like how some people credit themselves as playing Guitar Synth in the band when in simple terms you are just the Guitarist in the band incorporating a Guitar Synth into your rep :) I have been guilty myself of using the term looper or loopist to describe my playing but in the end I am just a guitarist and sometimes feel silly using the terms. Hey at least it's not a pot post :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 16:30:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OKU7o30316; Sat, 24 May 2003 16:30:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:30:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:29:49 +0200 Subject: Re: orchestral music and looping Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16-339061573 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c32214$0fceb080$6c01a044@hppav> Message-Id: <774D6265-8E26-11D7-BB70-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <01CQu.A.PZH.FZ9z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-16-339061573 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 06:46 pm, David wrote: > Without going down the Cage/Stockhausen trail (please!), are their=20 > other CURRENT examples of ensembles or orchestral music that anyone is=20= > aware of that uses live looping in the performance setting?=A0 There's me... (maybe). My music is very structured and orchestral-based, but it sometimes goes=20= a little mad. I utilise rhythm, melodies and structure quite strongly -=20= and due to years of classical brainwashing I could be classed as=20 orchestral. Plus the 6/7 string electric violins give the illusion of a=20= full string orchestra when looped. Its all live looped recordings (no backing tracks). I have a few mp3's=20= on my site, and I can give you the password to access the other=20 recordings if interested if you mail me offlist. - Stu http://solostring.com= --Apple-Mail-16-339061573 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 06:46 pm, David wrote: ArialWithout going down the Cage/Stockhausen trail = (please!)Arial, are their other CURRENT examples of ensembles or orchestral music that anyone is aware of that uses live looping in the performance setting?=A0 There's me... (maybe). My music is very structured and orchestral-based, but it sometimes goes a little mad. I utilise rhythm, melodies and structure quite strongly - and due to years of classical brainwashing I could be classed as orchestral. Plus the 6/7 string electric violins give the illusion of a full string orchestra when looped. Its all live looped recordings (no backing tracks). I have a few mp3's on my site, and I can give you the password to access the other recordings if interested if you mail me offlist. - Stu http://solostring.com= --Apple-Mail-16-339061573-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 16:39:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OKcvg30951; Sat, 24 May 2003 16:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:38:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:38:37 +0200 Subject: Re: looping and music (was why pot before looping?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030524200102.67258.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2b49oC.A.RjH.Xh9z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 10:01 pm, Squid Loop wrote: > I am curios as to how many people here consider > themselves loopers as apposed to a guitarist or > bassist or percussionist or DJ etc. that incorporates > loops into their music? I am a looper first, and a violinist second. Technically, I am not actually that gifted a player....my style sucks when you compare me with a real pro. I cannot play in studio's, laying down tracks - its too sterile for me... looping is really my only form of musical expression. It just happens that the violin is my main instrument. When I play solo (even without looping rigs), I hear harmonies inside my head that play along with what I am playing... I hear repetitions.... rhythm... the works. I really do think that looping is separate from being a musician. I think I've proved this in some of my workshops, whereby I have had some incredibly gifted violinists (Conservetoire de Paris, students of Didier Lockwood, ex students of Stephan Grapelli etc etc) who I have tried to teach live looping to... and some just cannot get into it. These people can play anything with anyone, but on their own, even when they completely understand the concept of looping, it does not work for them. Aaaggghhh.... its so hard to explain.... Does anyone else understand what I'm trying to say? Can anyone word it better than I can? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 16:49:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OKmp931904; Sat, 24 May 2003 16:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030524204841.70966.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: looping and music (was why pot before looping?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Aaaggghhh.... its so hard to explain.... Does anyone > else understand > what I'm trying to say? Can anyone word it better > than I can? > I understand what you are saying, well it's sort of like the saying "it's not for everyone". Some guitarist are "shredder types" that can play a million notes per second but can't hang playing a simple sustained blues riff or visa versa -- some people pick but can't get how to use a slide. I don't think that seperates Looping from Music, or loopists from musicians in my opinion though -- it just separates the capable from the incapable - look at how many schooled musicians can't improvise because they don't have the little paper with the black dots infront of them - but they are still musicians right? And some are incredible demons at their instruments. A looper is a EDP - you my friend are a musician :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 16:49:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OKmea31858; Sat, 24 May 2003 16:48:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:48:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030524204824.57769.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: looping and music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030524200102.67258.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Squid Loop wrote: > I am curios as to how many people here consider > themselves loopers as apposed to a guitarist or > bassist or percussionist or DJ etc. that > incorporates loops into their music? The distinction might be the type of gig. In a non-looping/full-band type context, I usually play one instrument all night, but when doing a loop-based performance (solo or ensemble) I'll often use several entirely different instruments (guitar, bass, keys, theremin, kalimba, percussion, flutes, didge, samples, whatever) within the same piece of music. Some looping musicians might make the distinction not only because they're multi-instrumentalists, but because their performance may also consist largely of post-processing and manipulation of the loops they've just created; the notion of a 'guitarist' (or insert instrument of choice here) usually involves continuous contact with the instrument throughout the piece. That definition can be stretched when the player spends as much or more time tweaking a mixer or processors while the looping device continues to provide the source material; the concept of the instrument is extended by virtue of the use of looping gear, but the point at which one can say "that's a different instrument" is a gray area. Andres Segovia's and David Torn's music are both oriented around the guitar, but their approach is certainly not the same. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 17:06:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OL5Xk02243; Sat, 24 May 2003 17:05:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 17:05:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030524210516.43740.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: looping and music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_eW3LB.A.rh.R69z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I am a looper first, and a violinist second. > Technically, I am not > actually that gifted a player....my style sucks when > you compare me with a real pro.... > Aaaggghhh.... its so hard to explain.... Does anyone > else understand what I'm trying to say? I think so; in my last post, I listed several instruments that I loop as a reason why it's easier to describe myself as a looper than to try to list what I might be looping that particular night. Among the instruments on the list, my technical proficiency varies greatly. While I can play some of the instruments well enough in a conventional, non-loop setting, my use of, say, the Boehm flute is greatly dependent on playing very simple parts layered as a loop bed, mostly long, sustained notes. Anyone who *really* knows how to play the flute would definitely not be impressed by my 'naked' playing, but I've had quite a few compliments from genuine flautists on my *looped* flute playing, and when they've asked me to show them how to do it, I can attest to your experience that looping can (at least at first) be counterintuitive to someone who's spent time developing conventional technique. Ther've been a couple of times where I've felt a kind of guilty satisfaction when a classically-trained musician has tried out my rig and discovered that it's not as easy as they think! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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------=_NextPart_000_02C4_01C3224C.FB682070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 18:02:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4OM2D310314; Sat, 24 May 2003 18:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:02:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:01:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004701c321f7$c1fc9320$e0154ed5@bigboy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9HuchC.A.WgC.Tv-z-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/24/03 6:24 AM, Steve Lawson at steve@steve-lawson.co.uk wrote: > well, technically it's a bass rig, but who's counting - at the moment, my > 'big rig' is three EDPs, a Lexicon MPX-G2, Korg Kaoss Pad II and a Behringer > 802 desk... My flight-rig is usually just two EDPs and the Lexicon. I'm > going to try a setup with just one EDP, the Kaoss II and the BEhringer desk, > so I can use Substitute to record stuff back into the EDP through the > Kaoss... I'll report back when I've tried it... ;o) How do you have the EDPs configured and what are you using to control them? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 19:01:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ON16q17750; Sat, 24 May 2003 19:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:01:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200305242300.h4ON0hB17682@hemlock.violacea.com> From: To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sender: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:00:48 -0400 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Priority: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Click here to open your message in a new window or if it fails to load automaticly! (Instant Removal Instructions Within) tpdbibjljmxebmgmgp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 19:17:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ONGts19576; Sat, 24 May 2003 19:16:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:16:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c3224a$61be6da0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Looper's Delight" References: Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 00:15:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, in the compact rig, just run it all in series - from MPX to EDP to second EDP to amp. well, there's a trick I do to keep the signal clean - if you go to my site, click on 'solo bass' and then equipment, there's a link to a diagram of this set up... I'm in the middle of sorting out a diagram of the new set up... ;o) big rig I have my bass into G2, out in stereo into two channels on the desk. Two of the EDPs are in the two auxes of the desk, which come back on two channels. The third EDP gets a signal from the headphone out on the MPX, and the output from it goes to the Kaoss II, which then goes into the desk on one of the stereo channels, which means that I can then route that to either of the other EDPs... none of the EDPs are sync'd at the moment... but may well be soon... EDP #4 will be wired in at some point, possibly in stereo with EDP #3, before the Kaoss pad. Before that, I need a bigger rack! EDP control is from EDP footswitches. G2 control comes from one Lexicon two button footswitch, and an EV-5... cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig > on 5/24/03 6:24 AM, Steve Lawson at steve@steve-lawson.co.uk wrote: > > > well, technically it's a bass rig, but who's counting - at the moment, my > > 'big rig' is three EDPs, a Lexicon MPX-G2, Korg Kaoss Pad II and a Behringer > > 802 desk... My flight-rig is usually just two EDPs and the Lexicon. I'm > > going to try a setup with just one EDP, the Kaoss II and the BEhringer desk, > > so I can use Substitute to record stuff back into the EDP through the > > Kaoss... I'll report back when I've tried it... ;o) > > How do you have the EDPs configured and what are you using to control them? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 19:48:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ONmSu21977; Sat, 24 May 2003 19:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:48:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c3224f$56fd2fa0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Alpha Wave Movement and Paul Royes Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:51:05 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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"Orbiting the Holont" presents a slower more subtle piece, with floating pads playing underneath a bed of slowly evolving synth stabs and infrequent percussion. The feeling of lazy movement through space, the slow tug of gravity, it's beauty is undeniable. Track three "Shaman of Tahir" makes wonderful use of tribal drumming, giving movement to the piece, propelling it along to new places. I especially like the use of shaker in this one, it has some really tasty processing on it that makes it quite effective. The Fourth track, "Cloudland", closes out the disc with a breathy ascension of sweeping tones rising through the sky in a circular motion. Truly breathtaking and inspiring, the only drawback to this piece being that it's the end of the disc. "Starfarer's Tales Volume 1" by Numina and IXOHOXI is available now at *ping things*, where Numina is the featured artist this month. Visit the *featured* section at http://www.pingthings.com to read an exclusive interview, to buy Numina discs at a special sale price, and to hear full length tracks in Real Media format. Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to be updated on all the latest releases on sale at PiNG THiNGS. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com - http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. To unsubscribe - reply with 'unsubcribe' in the e-mail body. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 20:28:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P0SPf27141; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 20:28:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 17:28:11 -0700 Subject: line mixer! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, So, I'd like to check out your line mixer. Is anytime tomorrow good for you? I'm not even sure where you live. Are you still in the city? When you say "noisy" I wonder if I'd notice with my guitar stuff going on and the Repeater.... anyway, I'm more or less sold on the functionality especially if I can get it into a rack drawer of some type. Give me a call, or send an email. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 21:03:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P133S31196; Sat, 24 May 2003 21:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:03:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:02:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009101c3224a$61be6da0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/24/03 4:15 PM, Steve Lawson at steve@steve-lawson.co.uk wrote: > EDP control is from EDP footswitches. So three sets of footswitches on the floor? I guess that's not a problem if you don't have too much else on the floor. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 23:17:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P3HDe09928; Sat, 24 May 2003 23:17:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 23:17:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:17:36 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers Delight Subject: Jamman FS Message-ID: <2147483647.1053814656@localhost> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147489406==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <-sp4AC.A.kaC.uWD0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147489406========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just spotted this browsing, thought someone might be interested: http://www.broadway-music.com/catg/FXDE.html --- www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147489406========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just spotted this browsing, thought someone might be = interested:

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www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147489406==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 23:21:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P3L7810294; Sat, 24 May 2003 23:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 23:21:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 20:20:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopstock 2003 mp3 From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522235248.00b28f60@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Jon. (And Thank You, Hans.) I think of two of the real strengths of Loopstock 2003 were the clinics and the multi-performer work. Having a big stage where a lot of people could have their rigs set up paid off really well. I only regret that I had to tear down my rig to make room and hence didn't get a chance to try sitting in with anyone. Though, given the density I think I was playing with this year, I'd have had to turn the feedback knob down further on my EDP... A great recording, Jon, from a great show. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 00:02:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P42H815066; Sun, 25 May 2003 00:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 00:02:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ED0403D.6020308@quik.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:02:05 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music References: <9BEE9470-8D07-11D7-B098-0003934B4712@solostring.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: I also believe that > getting stoned can foster an inflated sense of significance, so that > one's creations seem at the time to be more brilliant than they do in > retrospect. I don't do weed, but this has definitely been my experience with psychedelics. As a horror story, I once found myself -- while under the influence -- beleiving that David Tibet (Current 93) could actually sing! Scared the piss outta me ;-) Heh. Actually, I've recorded a few loop things under the influence and found the ratio of good-to-bad to be no more than usual. I certainly enjoy *playing* on psychedelics, and I find the esoteric benefits (shamanic states etc.) to be immense, but the musical benefits for an external listener to be only so-so. I've played with people who like to be mildly stoned before performing and it works well for them. I've found that my playing when I have a light fever is enhanced. I think it has to do with a level of relaxation, or more precisely, with a lessening of tension. D.G. Doctor of Guitarology From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 00:11:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P4B0115750; Sun, 25 May 2003 00:11:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 00:11:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ED0424B.5040504@quik.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:10:51 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Serious discussion about pot & looping/music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > One of the "cosmic insights" I had during psychedelic experiences is > that consciousness is not the exclusive province of the forebrain. I > think a lot of physical activity is controlled and coordinated further > out in the body (this might give new levels of meaning to the expression > "far out"). Physical coordination, as in sports and music, may be due in > part to one's ability (whether inborn or learned) to distribute one's > consciousness throughout the body. The mind is not the brain. Consciousness does not even require "life" as we usually think of it. It just so happens that the brain tends to "secrete" a large amount of consciousness, so large that we tend to ignore the other consciousnesses that we have access to. There is the rational mind. There is the emotional mind. There is the body mind. etc. Looping is an excellent way of reaching these other minds. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 03:15:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P7Ewc30626; Sun, 25 May 2003 03:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 03:14:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: I don't want to bee a member of Loopers-Delight Mailinglist!!!!!!! Take me away!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:17:56 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02c301c3223c$37df5070$bdf4e051@kjelle> X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <52_X4D.A.TeH.m1G0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I don´t want to bee a member of Loopers-Delight Mailinglist!!!!!!! Take me away!!!!!!! reminds me of that piece (late sixties?) where someone shouts 'theyre coming to take me away, hihi, haha' ... which piece was that? -mpe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 03:36:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P7aPH31465; Sun, 25 May 2003 03:36:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 03:36:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c32290$0bc17a50$e4981cd5@HYEENA> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: I don't want to bee a member of Loopers-Delight Mailinglist!!!!!!! Take me away!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:34:16 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: I don't want to bee a member of Loopers-Delight Mailinglist!!!!!!! Take me away!!!!!!! > > I don´t want to bee a member of Loopers-Delight Mailinglist!!!!!!! Take me > away!!!!!!! > > reminds me of that piece (late sixties?) where someone shouts 'theyre > coming to take me away, hihi, haha' ... which piece was that? > > -mpe > Believe you mean Napoleon XIV - but I am a child of Edelweis version of that :) .jukka From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 03:41:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P7eWb31776; Sun, 25 May 2003 03:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 03:40:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030525003702.014f6668@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 00:40:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: I don't want to bee a member of Loopers-Delight Mailinglist!!!!!!! Take me away!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <02c301c3223c$37df5070$bdf4e051@kjelle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wasn't it napoleon something or another? ... google ... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22They%27re+coming+to+take+me+away%22+napoleon&btnG=Google+Search http://www.lyricsxp.com/lyrics/t/they_re_coming_to_take_me_away_ha_haaa_napoleon_xi.html At 12:17 AM 2003/05/25, Michael Peters wrote: > reminds me of that piece (late sixties?) where someone shouts 'theyre >coming to take me away, hihi, haha' ... which piece was that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 04:44:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P8iTS08112; Sun, 25 May 2003 04:44:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 04:44:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0f3d01c32299$dcad9550$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: Subject: Very Sad News Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:44:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F38_01C322A2.371B53D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F38_01C322A2.371B53D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My dear Looping friends. I haven't seen anyone posting this sad news on LD so I thought I'd = advise the group. Rick & Bill Walker's mother has passed away. I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to Rick, Bill, Allee = and the rest of the Walker family circle. As far as I know, Rick has returned to the US from Europe. The Walker family are in my thoughts. Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net=20 http://www.drumdojo.com=20 http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation=20 www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For May 2003**=20 Rhythmweb=20 http://rhythmweb.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0F38_01C322A2.371B53D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My dear Looping friends.
 
I haven't seen anyone posting this sad = news on LD=20 so I thought I'd advise the group.
 
Rick & Bill Walker's mother has = passed=20 away.
 
I would like to extend my most sincere = condolences=20 to Rick, Bill, Allee and the rest of the Walker family = circle.
 
As far as I know, Rick has returned to = the US from=20 Europe.
 
The Walker family are in my = thoughts.
 
Paul
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------=_NextPart_000_0F38_01C322A2.371B53D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 06:09:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PA8lv15828; Sun, 25 May 2003 06:08:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 06:08:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030525100832.85339.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 03:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: the meaning of loop music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030524200102.67258.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find it still hard to understand the term loop music really, does it make me a looper when i lay 4 tracks bass, drums, organ and rhythm guitar bulid a piece and solo on top of it, or does it have to be something that continually evolves within a loop frame like André does? a lot of lounge bands like Sven Van Hees, Kruder and dorfmeister or thievery corporation are also using plenty of loops in their music but their not being considered as such.Their recognized as formations who use samplers but there is a lot of repetition in their music as well.Does this means that when it starts to be arranged in the typical western way it isn´t loop music anymore? --- Squid Loop wrote: > --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > >in a general sense, what is it about the concept > > > of looping, that speaks to you? -allows you to > > express something in > > > yourself that the idea of music by itself, > > doesn't? > > > > Why do so many people separate looping from music? > It's just a technique like finger-picking or slide > guitar and not that big of a deal. Everybody and > their > mother is doing it these days :) > > I am curios as to how many people here consider > themselves loopers as apposed to a guitarist or > bassist or percussionist or DJ etc. that > incorporates > loops into their music? > > I've always found that interesting. Like how some > people credit themselves as playing Guitar Synth in > the band when in simple terms you are just the > Guitarist in the band incorporating a Guitar Synth > into your rep :) > > I have been guilty myself of using the term looper > or > loopist to describe my playing but in the end I am > just a guitarist and sometimes feel silly using the > terms. > > Hey at least it's not a pot post :) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 10:31:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PEUui03355; Sun, 25 May 2003 10:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:30:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030525143032.80680.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 07:30:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030525100832.85339.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's the nature of semantics. As music evolves due to changing tastes and new technology, we look for labels to distinguish it from what came before. I don't believe that, for example, the label "jazz" describes one type of music, and we've seen how many, many types of music are lumped together as "classical". So a term like "loop music" is going to be even more ambiguous since it really doesn't attempt to describe the music per se, but refers to the equipment used to produce it, and within this artificial category, musicians vary widely as to how integral the looping gear really is, as was noted in the Frisell thread last week. As an analogy, players of many different styles (country, rock, techno, pop, etc.) have been known to use distortion pedals, but it doesn't cause them to be grouped together as "fuzz box music". -t- --- Louie Angulo wrote: > I find it still hard to understand the term loop > music > really, does it make me a looper when i lay 4 tracks > bass, drums, organ and rhythm guitar bulid a piece > and > solo on top of it, or does it have to be something > that continually evolves within a loop frame like > André does... >.....Does this means that > when it starts to be arranged in the typical western > way it isn´t loop music anymore? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 10:41:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PEerx04271; Sun, 25 May 2003 10:40:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:40:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:41:01 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music Message-ID: <2147483647.1053855661@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20030525143032.80680.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030525143032.80680.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147500486==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, some people more play their loopers, and some people more play their = instruments (and some both, obviously). But I don't think "loop music" and = "jazz music" are the same type of terms. "Loop music" and "guitar music" = are, though: both describe the tools used to make it as opposed to what it = sounds like. --On Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:30 AM -0700 Tim Nelson = wrote: > That's the nature of semantics. As music evolves due > to changing tastes and new technology, we look for > labels to distinguish it from what came before. I > don't believe that, for example, the label "jazz" > describes one type of music, and we've seen how many, > many types of music are lumped together as > "classical". So a term like "loop music" is going to > be even more ambiguous since it really doesn't attempt > to describe the music per se, but refers to the > equipment used to produce it, and within this > artificial category, musicians vary widely as to how > integral the looping gear really is, as was noted in > the Frisell thread last week. >=20 > As an analogy, players of many different styles > (country, rock, techno, pop, etc.) have been known to > use distortion pedals, but it doesn't cause them to be > grouped together as "fuzz box music". >=20 > -t- >=20 > --- Louie Angulo wrote: >> I find it still hard to understand the term loop >> music >> really, does it make me a looper when i lay 4 tracks >> bass, drums, organ and rhythm guitar bulid a piece >> and >> solo on top of it, or does it have to be something >> that continually evolves within a loop frame like >> Andr=C8 does... >> .....Does this means that >> when it starts to be arranged in the typical western >> way it isn=A5t loop music anymore? >=20 >=20 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com >=20 > =20 --- www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, some people more play their loopers, and some people = more play their instruments (and some both, obviously). But I don't think = "loop music" and "jazz music" are the same type of = terms. "Loop music" and "guitar music" are, though: = both describe the tools used to make it as opposed to what it sounds = like.






--On Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:30 AM -0700 Tim Nelson = <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:

> That's the nature of semantics. As music evolves due
> to changing tastes and new technology, we look for
> labels to distinguish it from what came before. I
> don't believe that, for example, the label "jazz"
> describes one type of music, and we've seen how many,
> many types of music are lumped together as
> "classical". So a term like "loop music" is going = to
> be even more ambiguous since it really doesn't attempt
> to describe the music per se, but refers to the
> equipment used to produce it, and within this
> artificial category, musicians vary widely as to how
> integral the looping gear really is, as was noted in
> the Frisell thread last week.
>
> As an analogy, players of many different styles
> (country, rock, techno, pop, etc.) have been known to
> use distortion pedals, but it doesn't cause them to be
> grouped together as "fuzz box music".
>
> -t-
>
> --- Louie Angulo <laab2000us@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I find it still hard to understand the term loop
>> music
>> really, does it make me a looper when i lay 4 tracks
>> bass, drums, organ and rhythm guitar bulid a piece
>> and
>> solo on top of it, or does it have to be something
>> that continually evolves within a loop frame like
>> AndrÈ does...
>> .....Does this means that
>> when it starts to be arranged in the typical western
>> way it isn¥t loop music anymore?
>
>
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www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 12:05:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PG4aC13921; Sun, 25 May 2003 12:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030525160420.16276.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1053855661@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kelly Coyle wrote: >But I don't think "loop music" and "jazz music" are >the same type of terms. "Loop music" and "guitar >music" are, though: both describe the tools used to >make it as opposed to what it sounds like. Right, and that's what I mean; it's when people refer equivocally to "loop music" *as* a fixed and definable style that it becomes a meaningless catch-all. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 12:05:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PG5KC14088; Sun, 25 May 2003 12:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:05:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c322d7$34e8f060$df61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305221926.h4MJQKl24757@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: My Mom Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:03:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Everyone at Loopers Delight, I realize that you all have in a very palpable way have become part of my family, so I wanted to share this with you: My Mom. My mother was always a firebrand. From as young as I can remember she always had an idealistic cause that she fought for. She had a razor sharp intellect and was highly educated. She didn't suffer fools gladly, but she always had a strong sense of morality and the fact that it is a relative thing in this world. She taught my brother and sister and I to care about people and to guard and nurture a strong sense of optimism about the world, even as crazy and hopeless as it sometimes seems. She taught us to try to love and at least understand and have compassion (when that wasn't possible) for all people, no matter what their circumstances. She championed education and was, at various times, a teacher, a chemist and a homemaker. She urged us not to let institutions of learning hold us back from the true passion of learning and was a voracious reader and a great lover of art and music (having played drums and violin as a kid)...............especially her beloved Opera (a form of music that I ironically never shared a passion for). She frequently read a book a day as I was growing up. If you have ever appreciated the work that Bill and I have done or the dedication we have had to our community (both in Santa Cruz and here at Loopers Delight) you have to thank my mother.................really!. Bill had a constant looping gig (yeah, they DO exist, believe it or not) at a local classy restaurant. My mom went to every gig he played there and could always be seen nibbling on a desert and taking pictures of the performance. She constantly chronicled and championed our music careers and always encouraged us to follow our hearts and to stay supportive of one another. We owe so much to her. My beloved mother, Mary Lee Jensen/Walker passed away this last week. She was sharp as a tack up until a surgery and she felt no pain afterwards. She was at peace with herself; dearly loved and supported by her children and family and had no fear of death, which is an unbelievable blessing. I only hope that we will all be so lucky when our time comes. Bill, Allee, and I and all our loving partners (Nancy, Ken and Chris) will miss her more than we can possibly say. She was one of the good ones. sadly yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 12:26:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PGPfq15515; Sun, 25 May 2003 12:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:25:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 00:14:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do it without a mixer... Pendulum preamp, to Orville, send and return from EDP. Straight out to the house, or in the case of my super rig, to a laptop max/msp setup with psp 42, 84, and silver spike reverb run by a custom software looper... All this through an mhlabs firewire audio interface. Perfect for recording as well... T. On 5/24/03 8:07 AM, "Italo De Angelis" wrote: > Try this: > > a Pod XT > an Eventide Orville > a looper unit that does looping differently from Orville > a half rack mixer > > you'll be off with no more than 4 spaces...you'll save money by selling all > those boxes...and enjoy A LOT! > > > my 12 cents > > Italo > > > > > >>> Im looking at my 2 8 unit racks and thinking there most be something moe >>> compact i can use. I have the urge to move around a lot latley, so i was >>> wondering what compact guitar rigs people are using ? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> David Swain >>> >>> d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk >>> www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > ___________________________________________ > Italo De Angelis > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > italo@eventide.com > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 12:34:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PGYMr16017; Sun, 25 May 2003 12:34:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:34:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Mistsojorn@aol.com Message-ID: <10.30a44196.2c024a74@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:33:56 EDT Subject: PROMO: 2nite 5/25, in Philadelphia... To: the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, darkwave@yahoogroups.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <7gEwaD.A.D6D.ECP0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if u get the chance, come by: Sun. 5/25: The Infusion, and Greyroom Breakthrough, et al: What happens when a musician from North Africa adds electronics to his acoustic guitar and develops an interest in free improv and the avantgarde of Europe? What if he teamed up with two "rock" musicians of similar interests from the US and Europe? The answer is THE INFUSION. Camel Zekri is a descendant of generations of Algerian musicians. Olivier Paquotte is a bassist who lives in Nancy, France. He uses his instruments for its sonic capabilities, with feedback, distortion and slide he gives it a wide range, sometimes like a guitar, sometimes like a drum. And Ron Anderson - NYC-based founder of The Molecules and PAK (toured the U.S. with Ruins, also played w/ Elliott Sharp, Marc Ribot, Otomo Yoshihide, Yamamoto of Boredoms) - also gets many unusual sounds from the instruments he plays - trumpet through echo, drum machine in real time, and electric guitar blending with the other two musicians. Opening will be local space sounds/ambient experimenters Greyroom Breakthrough. Plus, the Highwire Gallery in Old City will lend some of their resident improvisers for the evening. 8pm. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ At The Rotunda: 4014 Walnut Street, Philadelphia Free admission for all ages. Info: http://www.foundationarts.org 215-573-3234 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 12:38:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PGarA16219; Sun, 25 May 2003 12:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:36:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c322db$9f7da660$df61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305251605.h4PG5D914042@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LIVE LOOPING: was " the meaning of loop music" Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:35:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kelly Coyle wrote: "But I don't think "loop music" and "jazz music" are the same type of terms. "Loop music" and "guitar music" are, though: both describe the tools used to make it as opposed to what it sounds like." Matthias Grob and I have settled on the term LIVE LOOPING to describe what it is that we do. Though to an extent defined by our looping equipment we use, we are also dedicated to a whole set of prinicples involving repitition and it's various permutations. The distinction is that we are dedicated to doing this form of music (with all of it's various stylistic combinations) in front of an audience in real time. In this way making the comparison of 'loop music' and 'guitar music' is not quite accurate. You know, it is funny, this debate surfaces periodically on this list and gets endlessly debated and yet when Hans produces the LOOPSTOCK FESTIVAL, we all know what is in store (unless we are suprised by someone's performance which is even better) and the results are really wonderful. Maybe we don't have to define it. Maybe it is a small blessing in all of our lives. This community sure has been to me despite the fact that Andre LaFosse and Tom Heasley couldn't be further apart stylistically at this present time. They still are live loopers when I have had the pleasure of seeing their performances (and many other things as well, 'dre..............lol). It was just amazing to me that Matthias Grob, Per Boysen and I are such distinctly different artists, stylistically and yet, because of the wonderful technology that we use, we could make some beautiful and coherent music together (in brother sync, even..........lol) in Sweden..........all in front of audiences that had never seen it before. Talk about feeling like the first Coca Cola executives who first encountered the prospect of opening up the market in China. That's LIVE LOOPING for ya. yours, rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 12:46:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PGkJ617108; Sun, 25 May 2003 12:46:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:46:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:37:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:14 AM -0400 5/25/03, todd reynolds wrote: >silver spike reverb ?? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 13:09:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PH8fW19646; Sun, 25 May 2003 13:08:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:08:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:08:25 -0700 Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: was " the meaning of loop music" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00f201c322db$9f7da660$df61f93f@global> Message-Id: <7F34EFEC-8ED3-11D7-9EA6-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree. You can't define a music by it's tools. Styles are hard to define, and we've all been down that road before. We know where it goes. My personal opinion is that names are good, though imperfect. A category helps people find your music, even if you don't exactly fit in a genera. I had a funny time trying to describe my "genera" last week to a Goth/Industrial DJ I'm friends with. He came back at me with about a 1000 different sub genres in the Industrial world because he thought I said "EBM" (electronic body music) when I said, "IDM" (Intelligent Dance Music) Anyway, his girlfriend and I were reeling after his extensive listing of what bands fall under what categories and why. Most people don't really care about specifics that much, but it's useful to have a genera when describing yourself, unless you can have a boom-box with you at all times to play a little bit of your music for people when they ask you what your music sounds like. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 09:35 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > > Kelly Coyle wrote: > > "But I don't think "loop music" and "jazz music" are the same type of > terms. > "Loop music" and "guitar music" are, though: both describe the tools > used to > make it as opposed to what it sounds like." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 13:12:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PHBYp19927; Sun, 25 May 2003 13:11:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:11:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030525171118.63689.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: OT: My Mom To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005401c322d7$34e8f060$df61f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you have my sincerest consolations. my father passed away a few years ago and it just sucks when you have to say goodbye before you're ready to do so. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 13:15:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PHFFu20309; Sun, 25 May 2003 13:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:15:02 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: My Mom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005401c322d7$34e8f060$df61f93f@global> Message-Id: <6BAD8F1C-8ED4-11D7-9EA6-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry Rick! Bill! Oh man. You are lucky men, for sure. My mom, while educated has no interest in music outside of "lite adult contemporary" and the like. She's never supported my brother and my musical endeavors, and often hindered early attempts at our love for music by forbidding us to be in bands or have a small portable stereo in our room. She did always keep a lot of books for us to read (she's a librarian and dad's a school teacher) so we had that, but it was always a tough road. I won't say I feel your pain, but I can imagine how it must hurt. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 09:03 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > Dear Everyone at Loopers Delight, > > I realize that you all have in a very palpable way have become part of > my > family, so I wanted to share this with you: > > > My Mom. > > My mother was always a firebrand. From as young as I can remember she > always > had an idealistic cause that she fought for. She had a razor sharp > intellect and was highly educated. She didn't suffer fools gladly, > but she > always had a strong sense of morality > and the fact that it is a relative thing in this world. > > She taught my brother and sister and I to care about people and to > guard and > nurture a strong sense of optimism about the world, even as crazy and > hopeless as it sometimes seems. She taught us to try to love and at > least > understand and have compassion (when that wasn't possible) for all > people, > no matter what their circumstances. > > She championed education and was, at various times, a teacher, a > chemist and > a homemaker. She urged us not to let institutions of learning hold us > back > from the true passion of learning and was a voracious reader and a > great > lover of art and music (having played drums and violin as a > kid)...............especially her beloved Opera (a form of music that I > ironically never shared a passion for). She frequently read a book > a day > as I was growing up. > > If you have ever appreciated the work that Bill and I have done or > the > dedication we have had to our community (both in Santa Cruz and here at > Loopers Delight) you have to thank my mother.................really!. > > Bill had a constant looping gig (yeah, they DO exist, believe it or > not) at > a local classy restaurant. My mom went to every gig he played there > and > could always be seen > nibbling on a desert and taking pictures of the performance. > > She constantly chronicled and championed our music careers and always > encouraged us to follow our hearts and to stay supportive of one > another. > We owe so much to her. > > My beloved mother, Mary Lee Jensen/Walker passed away this last week. > > She was sharp as a tack up until a surgery and she felt no pain > afterwards. > She was at peace with herself; dearly loved and supported by her > children > and family and had no fear of death, which is an unbelievable > blessing. I > only hope that we will all be so lucky when our time comes. > > Bill, Allee, and I and all our loving partners (Nancy, Ken and Chris) > will > miss her more than we can possibly say. > > She was one of the good ones. > > > sadly yours, > Rick Walker > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 13:19:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PHImb20716; Sun, 25 May 2003 13:18:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:18:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:18:37 -0700 Subject: Re: line mixer! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woops. Sorry. My bad. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 05:28 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > So, I'd like to check out your line mixer. Is anytime tomorrow good > for you? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 13:28:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PHS0921557; Sun, 25 May 2003 13:28:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:28:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030525101126.00b298a0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:27:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Re: OT: My Mom In-Reply-To: <005401c322d7$34e8f060$df61f93f@global> References: <200305221926.h4MJQKl24757@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick and Bill, My heart goes out to you and yours. I had been wondering where you guys get it from. I think we all owe your mother a lot. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 13:31:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PHUlv21891; Sun, 25 May 2003 13:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c322e3$c7596130$91a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <200305251605.h4PG5D914042@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f201c322db$9f7da660$df61f93f@global> Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: was " the meaning of loop music" Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:33:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could we say that sound itself is a loop, kinda? The repetition of sound waves, falling away (going somewhere?) at whatever feedback its sustainability would suggest. So, if the basic ingredient of sound is loopage, music of all kinds and looping are a natural! ||: David A :|| > Matthias Grob and I have settled on the term > LIVE LOOPING to describe what it is that we do. > (...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 13:40:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PHdkN22631; Sun, 25 May 2003 13:39:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:39:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c322e4$64e198a0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <0f3d01c32299$dcad9550$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Subject: Re: Very Sad News Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:38:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What terrible news - I met Rick and Bill's mum at a gig I did with both of them in January - she was the proudest mum I've ever seen at a gig - seeing her two boys play to a packed house of people who loved their music, and music that they themselves loved. She was working the door that night, and I chatted to her a fair bit - Rick introduced me to her, and was obviously very proud to have her at the gig. Rick, Bill, I'll be thinking of you at this very sad time, Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Marshall" To: Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: Very Sad News My dear Looping friends. I haven't seen anyone posting this sad news on LD so I thought I'd advise the group. Rick & Bill Walker's mother has passed away. I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to Rick, Bill, Allee and the rest of the Walker family circle. As far as I know, Rick has returned to the US from Europe. The Walker family are in my thoughts. Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For May 2003** Rhythmweb http://rhythmweb.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 14:53:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PIqHu29683; Sun, 25 May 2003 14:52:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 14:52:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030525111706.03537ec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 11:53:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1053855661@localhost> References: <20030525143032.80680.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> <20030525143032.80680.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:41 AM 5/25/2003, Kelly Coyle wrote: >But I don't think "loop music" and "jazz music" are the same type of >terms. "Loop music" and "guitar music" are, though: both describe the >tools used to make it as opposed to what it sounds like. yes, that is exactly the way I see it. I don't think the tools or instruments used define the style or genre of music. The idea of trying to establish "looping" as a genre seems strange to me, even misguided. Similarly, I find "Looping Festival" to be like a "Trumpeting Festival", and not at all like "Jazz Festival" or "Bluegrass Festival". At a Trumpeting Festival you expect to find all of the performers playing trumpet. The main people interested in attending are other people who play trumpet, and so most of the audience also consists of trumpeters. It's a nice little clubby affair where trumpeters can talk with other trumpeters about trumpet playing, and listen to others playing their trumpets, and hopefully expand their trumpet playing. It's really more like a trumpet convention, and great fun for trumpeters. The style of music represented will vary all over the place, according to wherever trumpets get used. People who don't play trumpet will not really find this interesting, as they mostly enjoy music according to their own stylistic preferences instead of the instruments used. If there were a "Jazz Festival" and all of the groups happened to include a trumpet player, most jazz fans attending would not even notice the coincidence. They would be there because the enjoy the style of music called Jazz, and many people with no special interest in trumpets would show up. If the organizers instead decided to call it a "Trumpet Festival" due to the coincidence of trumpeters, the public interest would probably drop considerably and only trumpet playing members of the public would show up (possibly dragging their spouses along). kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 16:07:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PK6Pl06338; Sun, 25 May 2003 16:06:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:06:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030525200544.93247.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:05:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1053855661@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2wqFh.A.TiB.ZIS0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guitar Music? Wouldn't that be anything with a guitar in it :) Didn't George Michael play a guitar in "Faith" :) --- Kelly Coyle wrote: --------------------------------- Well, some people more play their loopers, and some people more play their instruments (and some both, obviously). But I don't think "loop music" and "jazz music" are the same type of terms. "Loop music" and "guitar music" are, though: both describe the tools used to make it as opposed to what it sounds like. --On Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:30 AM -0700 Tim Nelson wrote: > That's the nature of semantics. As music evolves due > to changing tastes and new technology, we look for > labels to distinguish it from what came before. I > don't believe that, for example, the label "jazz" > describes one type of music, and we've seen how many, > many types of music are lumped together as > "classical". So a term like "loop music" is going to > be even more ambiguous since it really doesn't attempt > to describe the music per se, but refers to the > equipment used to produce it, and within this > artificial category, musicians vary widely as to how > integral the looping gear really is, as was noted in > the Frisell thread last week. > > As an analogy, players of many different styles > (country, rock, techno, pop, etc.) have been known to > use distortion pedals, but it doesn't cause them to be > grouped together as "fuzz box music". > > -t- > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: >> I find it still hard to understand the term loop >> music >> really, does it make me a looper when i lay 4 tracks >> bass, drums, organ and rhythm guitar bulid a piece >> and >> solo on top of it, or does it have to be something >> that continually evolves within a loop frame like >> AndrÈ does... >> .....Does this means that >> when it starts to be arranged in the typical western >> way it isn¥t loop music anymore? > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > --- www.endtimequartet.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 16:28:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PKRae07969; Sun, 25 May 2003 16:27:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:27:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c322fb$e528d520$bb2d2a97@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <200305221926.h4MJQKl24757@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030525101126.00b298a0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: My Mom Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 22:26:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My condolences to you and your brother, Rick. I lost my grandmother last week because of an heart attack, and I am still trying to understand what has happened... Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:27 PM Subject: Re: OT: My Mom > Rick and Bill, > > My heart goes out to you and yours. I had been wondering where you guys > get it from. I think we all owe your mother a lot. > > -Hans > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 16:36:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PKaAG08627; Sun, 25 May 2003 16:36:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:36:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:35:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1dd.a451ccf.2c00e623@aol.com> Message-Id: <7BD35B89-8EF0-11D7-9EA6-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guitar> Johnson amp>KAOSS Pad>EchoPro>back to the Johnson amp. Setup time: 5-10 minutes. Mark Sottilaro > In a message dated 5/24/03 8:03:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > > > i was wondering what compact guitar rigs people are using ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 17:01:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PL0kR11305; Sun, 25 May 2003 17:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:00:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 14:00:33 -0700 Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030525111706.03537ec0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 11:53 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > If the organizers instead decided to call it a "Trumpet Festival" due > to the coincidence of trumpeters, the public interest would probably > drop considerably and only trumpet playing members of the public would > show up (possibly dragging their spouses along). Ha! Nail hit squarely on the head. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 17:58:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PLvh316353; Sun, 25 May 2003 17:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 14:57:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse Freebies and sales... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030524065157.00aa0230@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I don't think it has to or should be separated, in fact, I think just the opposite. I think we all should be able to support ourselves doing what we love... I just haven't been able to make that world work for me, and when I tried I just got very cranky. I found me trying to please an audience at the expense of enjoying what I was doing because I knew if I didn't get enough heads in the club, it was coming out of my wallet. I couldn't find a way to combine the worlds. Others here have. I'm totally happy I figured it out for myself, and it won't work the same for everyone. My brother tried teaching and he hated it, but did it to pay the bills. I can't do the same. Music is too precious to me. I'm not saying you *have* to sell out to make good money in the music world... but it sure helps. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 05:51 AM, Goddess wrote: > Mark, as a teacher, this is an interesting argument, -I don't think > it's necessary to separate the idea of music with compensation. -In > other > words, to say that because one may think about money, they must not be > thinking about music or vice versa. > -Hopefully I'm reading you right. Anyway, I play and I teach, and I > very > much expect some compensation for my time and efforts, and am > completely OK > in doing so. -By this, I mean, I may not always get it, but I'd hope > people around me would feel that what I'm doing is worth while enough > for > it. -and not because I feel that that's how I should be repaid so to > speak, but because it's just a simple fact that people demand money > from me > in the world we live in, and I provide something. So I feel that I > should > be repaid for it. -otherwise, I'll starve! lol! > -and then I won't be doing anybody much good, now will I?! lol! > Anyway, I've learned and practiced and such, for a while, and am OK > hopefully at what I do. So, with this in mind, I don't feel there's > anything wrong with asking for something in return. > Now, re: the music itself, when I play, or try to teach someone > something, I'm not thinking of the money at all. I'm totally and > completely focused on the idea at hand, and doing well by the music, > -my > student, -myself. -the idea itself... I try to deal with the payment > issue before or after. -just my thoughts, -thought I might chime > in... > -Have an awesome weekend!, K? > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 01:49 PM 5/22/03 -0700, you wrote: >> I may be half the guitarist, but I gladly trade that for the ability >> to >> make music with no expectation of compensation at all. I couldn't do >> a >> wedding band thing. Music is too precious to me. Instead, I now do >> media design. Total sell out, but they don't touch my music. >> >> Good luck Andre. I want to believe you'll succeed. In a way, you >> have. On the fringe your either 1) a hack or 2) too advanced to be >> understood my most. Either way, it sucks, but I think we can all >> agree >> that you're not a hack. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 12:25 AM, ernesto schnack wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 21 May 2003 23:11:22 -0700, Andre LaFosse >>> wrote: >>>> Now, that's a better fate than assembling Nike shoes for $2.00 an >>>> hour, >>>> or crawling out of rubble in Baghdad right now. But when I think >>>> about >>>> all the traffic going through my site, and how little of an impact >>>> it >>>> has on my actual day-to-day existence, it makes me wonder how much >>>> time >>>> I may have wasted by focusing so intensely on the EDP, as opposed to >>>> more bread-and-butter things that might actually lead to my >>>> generating >>>> some income from the music-related skills I've been cultivating for >>>> about 25 years. >>>> >> >> > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 18:01:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PM0ab18103; Sun, 25 May 2003 18:00:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:00:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 15:00:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Virtual guitars amps etc. live Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030524085731.39038.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4A16F9D4-8EFC-11D7-9EA6-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <5srD0D.A.daE.7zT0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure as they're no long made. You might find some good deals if people still have them. Good luck. Mark On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 01:57 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi Mark, > i am going to check it out what is its street price? > > > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 11:47 PM, Louie Angulo >> wrote: >>> Isee people like Adrian Belew leaving their >>> refigerators at home and simplifying to a johnson >>> amp. >> >> I've got the smaller brother to the amp that Adrian >> uses (Johnson JT50) >> and I have to say I love it. It's direct outs >> aren't the best, but >> when it goes through it's own speakers I think the >> tone is amazing. I >> leave my all tube Ampeg home and take that out for >> gigs. With a stereo >> line level effects loop, it's a must for live guitar >> looping with a >> Repeater. >> >> The last show I did I took the JT50 out with the >> Line6 Delay Pro and a >> KAOSS pad II. Set up was less than 5 minutes and I >> had a great time. >> I'm never dragging my studio gear out again. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > > > ===== > www.labalou.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 18:32:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PMVrL20886; Sun, 25 May 2003 18:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:31:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 00:31:31 +0200 Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030525111706.03537ec0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1e_jgB.A.vFF.MRU0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 08:53 pm, Kim Flint wrote: > I don't think the tools or instruments used define the style or genre > of music. The idea of trying to establish "looping" as a genre seems > strange to me, even misguided. I don't think that I have ever thought of looping as a musical genre - more of a philosophy and a mindset that is part of music, but separate at the same time. I think the only way of explaining my viewpoint is if you imagine multiple 3-D Venn diagrams that overlap each other... but the diagram becomes far too complicated to comprehend. Bah... I've never been one at describing this in words... just music. Maybe looping is a tool for the music, and music is a tool for the looping... I'm actually not one for pigeon-holing music in any way. Once you start defining yourself in a genre, then start you build barriers around yourself which can limit your full potential. People often ask me what my style is, and I say "I don't know".. its a kind of fusion of celtic, ethnic, electronic, classical, jazz, blues, experimental whatever style"... even then, with that broad explanation it does not truly describe how I class my music. But I'll stick with my viewpoint that I am a looper first and a violinist second. I tried to make a point with this post, but my brain has looped... and I've forgotten what the point is. I'll shut up now :) - Stu (and no I have not been smoking) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 18:38:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PMbfa21464; Sun, 25 May 2003 18:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:37:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 00:37:22 +0200 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7BD35B89-8EF0-11D7-9EA6-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <73A85D24-8F01-11D7-9C6B-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 10:35 pm, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Guitar> Johnson amp>KAOSS Pad>EchoPro>back to the Johnson amp. Setup > time: 5-10 minutes. I did not realise that you had an Echo Pro :) I've just finished installing my new rack box tonight. Its not so compact, but its certainly fun: IMG 31band EQ -> Filter Pro -> Echo Pro -> DL4 -> Echo Pro -> Fostex VM04 mixer I should have the loan of a filter factory for a couple of weeks next Friday (thanks Andy) to fill the 2u space at the top of the rack. I'm having so much fun playing with the filtered sounds on the Filter Pro (PIPE sounds amazing on the lower strings, pitch -12 with Frequency and Tweak almost at zero - real sub bass). I think this is the direction that I should have headed in a long time ago instead of trying to plug in keyboards and computer to my rig.... Its the first time that I have had a really good play for weeks. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 18:51:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PMllr22829; Sun, 25 May 2003 18:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:47:26 EDT Subject: Re: OT: My Mom To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4PMlZB22793 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 5/25/03 10:28:06 AM, armatronix@sbcglobal.net writes: >I think we all owe your mother a lot. Ditto! tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 19:05:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PN4d425659; Sun, 25 May 2003 19:04:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:04:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:04:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Virtual guitars amps etc. live From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A16F9D4-8EFC-11D7-9EA6-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was going to say that I've heard good things about the Yamaha DG-80, but American Musical Supply no longer lists it. They still have the DG60FX112 which probably sounds pretty good (it's an amp built around the DG-Stomp), but it doesn't have an effects loop and it's probably only going to be able to handle a small venue. The specs say it has a stereo out so you could presumably use it to feed a PA. It looks like Line6 has essentially won. Mark on 5/25/03 3:00 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Not sure as they're no long made. You might find some good deals if > people still have them. > > Good luck. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 19:07:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PN7Mv25896; Sun, 25 May 2003 19:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c32312$5e3dd580$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <200305221926.h4MJQKl24757@hemlock.violacea.com> <005401c322d7$34e8f060$df61f93f@global> Subject: Re: My Mom Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 00:07:07 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <3sP09C.A.bUG.iyU0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Rick, Bill and the rest of your family: Our humble condolences to you all. From the looks of your post it's evident that she'll be missed in more than a few places. How fortunate to have such a wonderful relationship with her as well. We can only hope for this, for everyone. Stephen & Sarah Goodman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 19:59:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4PNwJn29298; Sun, 25 May 2003 19:58:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:58:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030525155615.028c8d40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:00:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030525111706.03537ec0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:31 PM 5/25/2003, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >I'm actually not one for pigeon-holing music in any way. Once you start >defining yourself in a genre, then start you build barriers around >yourself which can limit your full potential. People often ask me what my >style is, and I say "I don't know".. its a kind of fusion of celtic, >ethnic, electronic, classical, jazz, blues, experimental whatever >style"... even then, with that broad explanation it does not truly >describe how I class my music. That is just fine, and in fact very much the way I feel about the term "Looping". I don't think it should get pigeon-holed into one style of music. It is a set of techniques, instruments, and approaches to creating music that can be applied to any different sort of style. Looping can just as well happen in jazz or pop or acoustic folk or rock or dance or ambient or experimental glitchcore or psychedelic-celtic-fusion or whatever. The looping techniques themselves do not determine that, the musicians and their own unique musical preferences do. The danger I see is when the term "Looping" does get applied to a specific style. That style (usually ambient as it happens, but could be anything) is definitely not going to be representative of everybody who uses Looping in their music, or everybody who could use Looping in their music. If Looping then becomes associated with that specific style among the larger world of musicians or music listeners, anybody who is not interested in that style will avoid Looping. Many musicians will think "I don't play this Looping style of music, so there is no reason for me to consider owning a Looper or learning anything about Looping." An artificial barrier is built, and the potential growth of looping is restricted. This is why I used the word "misguided" in my last post, in reference to labeling a specific genre of music as "Looping". I see some people, in an effort to promote Looping, attempting to define a specific musical style as "Looping Music". (Invariably this is their own style of music, and in some cases there is a not-too-subtle undercurrent of exclusivity about it.) Perhaps this helps promote Looping to other practitioners and fans of that specific style, but ultimately I think this ghettoizes Looping to exist only within that style. The rest of the music world will become less likely to take it up, and the goal of promoting Looping is in fact harmed more than helped. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 23:49:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4Q3l2J19008; Sun, 25 May 2003 23:47:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 23:47:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ED18E2F.1040402@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 20:46:55 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: OT? Digital Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This may be OT but since it does involve a Repeater and there are so many knowledgeable people here I thought I'd give it a shot. It seems that recently my recordings from the SPDIF out of my Repeater have included a fair amount of digital noise coming along for the ride basically ruining the recordings. I may be able to get this fixed under warranty but I'm reluctant to be without the Repeater for the time of the fix since I'm not positive that the SPDIF on the Repeater is actually the culprit. The reason I think it may be the Repeater is this; when I use analog ins to a breakout box, no noise (at least in a few trial recordings so far). The reasons I think (hope) it may not be the Repeater is that I don't know how to test the sound card (the SPDIF in) and my computer is filled with a whole host of other (familialy) necessary software that may be dragging things down. I have tried turning off the extraneous programs when I record but I still get the noise intermittently. I have a Sony Vaio PII, 300 mhz with a M-Audio Delta sound card. I sort of fell into digital recording with the gift of this card and so I'm not entirely up on all the ins and outs of troubleshooting in this case. Thanks for any suggestions or condolences you may have to offer. Kevin -- How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 03:22:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4Q7L6a07411; Mon, 26 May 2003 03:21:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:21:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c32357$2a0b0cc0$7061f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305252158.h4PLwFC16455@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: why Kim why? Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 00:19:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: "Similarly, I find "Looping Festival" to be like a "Trumpeting Festival........ If the organizers instead decided to call it a "Trumpet Festival" due to the coincidence of trumpeters, the public interest would probably drop considerably and only trumpet playing members of the public would show up (possibly dragging their spouses along)." Why then, Kim (creator of LoopersDelight, the largest website for live looping on earth), have you then attended the last several looping festivals that I have worked so long and hard (without compensation I might add) to produce as well as the LOOPSTOCK festival in San Luis Obispo just recently. Perish the thought that we should try and create a mutually supportive artistic community that self conciously tries to promote people who use looping technology as a way to further their artistry irregardless of stylistic differences. What is, is, Kim. No matter what you think, we are establishing a viable community and some of us are excited to be a part of it. Even when we preach to the converted (and the spouses that you so contemptuosly say we drag along) these shows have filled people (and myself) with new knowledge, new musical contacts, inspiration for new ways of using looping tools in creativity and,god forbid, a sense of community and mutual support in a culture that practically spits on art. I just spent the last couple of weeks touring with Per Boysen and Matthias Grob in Sweden where, thought the audiences were small, we had a wonderful time playing, talking philosophy and plotting where to go next to try and promote this concept of live looping. A middle aged physiotherapist was totally inspired by Matthias' story of how he developed the origins of the EDP in an effort to heal his back problems. He said that he had never played and instrument and thought that getting into looping was going to be his way of entering into the creative musical world. It filled me with such hope to hear his excitement. Per spent a lot of time after our gig at the OCEAN in Gothenburg with a young man who was enthralled with what he had just seen performed. I talked to a traditional bagpipe musician today who is going out to by a line 6 looper because he was inspired by all the liberating things that I described to him that a looper can do for a solo musician. I said to my Dad afterwards, "...........spreading the looping gospel one person at a time" and felt proud when he smiled broadly hearing it. I'm honestly deeply grateful for everything that you have given to the looping community with the creation of Loopers Delight and the creation of Loop IV but I'm going to keep working hard no matter how dismissive you are of what we are trying to create. With the passing of my mother who was so supportive of my brother's and my looping efforts, I am deeply saddened and hurt that you seem so judgemental of a community that you have done so much in your own way to foster. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 04:57:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4Q8uE214231; Mon, 26 May 2003 04:56:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 04:56:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030526030215.007ab700@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:02:15 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: An important request... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I'd like to take just a second to perhaps ask that we consider pausing forjust a moment. This is a very emotional time for loved ones and myself as well, and since I was the one who posted the questions that seemed to have started this, I'd just like to not see it erupt into something stressful or worse yet, hurtful. This was just meant as a friendly topic which I'm curious about, and it obviously seems to have been taken in an unexpected direction from what I was originally asking, so perhaps this just might not be the best time. It seems to have sort of gotten off what I meant. -And as I said, this is just not worth a battle over, so maybe we can sort of save this for now for future if you wouldn't mind, K? Thanks a bunch, and I'm sorry for inadvertantly contributing to this. Thanks for taking the time to read this... -Please have as nice a weekend as you can... Thanks so much, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 05:01:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4Q8xeY15756; Mon, 26 May 2003 04:59:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 04:59:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030526030543.009756a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:05:43 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: An Important Request again... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, that last note is obviously refering to the looping discussion which is going on. -Thanks again, very sincerely for taking time to read this... Thanks, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 06:52:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QApLs23159; Mon, 26 May 2003 06:51:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 06:51:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030526020945.028bf2e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:51:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: why Kim why? In-Reply-To: <010d01c32357$2a0b0cc0$7061f93f@global> References: <200305252158.h4PLwFC16455@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey Rick, you seem to have completely missed my point, and taken as some kind of insult something which wasn't one at all. At 12:19 AM 5/26/2003, you wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: >"Similarly, I find "Looping Festival" to be like a "Trumpeting >Festival........ >If the organizers instead decided to call it a "Trumpet Festival" due to the >coincidence of trumpeters, the public interest would probably drop >considerably and only trumpet playing >members of the public would show up (possibly dragging their spouses >along)." > > >Why then, Kim (creator of LoopersDelight, the largest website for live >looping on earth), >have you then attended the last several looping festivals Is there something wrong with trumpeting festivals? That wasn't meant as insulting, just illustrative. you left out some important bits of the context. for example I also said: >It's a nice little clubby affair where trumpeters can talk with other >trumpeters about trumpet playing, and listen to others playing their >trumpets, and hopefully expand their trumpet playing. It's really more >like a trumpet convention, and great fun for trumpeters. That's why I go. It is fun to hang out with other loopers and talk shop. Maybe it's semantics, but "Looping Festival" to me is about a specific type of instrument, not a style of music. That's why I think it is like a "trumpet festival" and not like a "blues festival". I don't think there is anything wrong with that distinction, and I didn't think I said that before. I'm sorry if you read some kind of ill will into my words. It's a great thing to go spend some time with people you share an interest with, and that is why I find it enjoyable to spend time at these Looping Festivals. However, I do think it is useful to realize that there is a distinction, and that the wider music listening public does not listen to their favorite styles of music because of the instruments used. They listen because they like that particular style. Only musicians who play a particular instrument listen to hear that instrument. That is why a lot of people listen to "Rock Music", but only guitar players listen to "guitar music." Similarly, I think "looping festivals" are mainly interesting to musicians already interested in Looping. There is nothing wrong with that at all, as it is a great way for those musicians to gather and talk about Looping. But I don't see how it does much to directly promote looping outside of that realm. >Perish the thought that we should try and create a mutually supportive >artistic community >that self conciously tries to promote people who use looping technology as a >way to >further their artistry irregardless of stylistic differences. Rick, sorry if I wasn't clear and caused you some hurt, but I think you have read a whole lot of stuff into my words that isn't there without really responding to any of the points I raised. All of what you say above is exactly what I do support, and exactly why I created Looper's Delight and put so much effort into it. I do it to promote Looping to a wider group of musicians, and provide a place for musicians to learn more about how to incorporate it into their music. It is my hope the Looper's Delight expands Looping to a much wider group of people, and I think it has so far succeeded in that far beyond what I ever expected. The absolute most important thing to me, and something I've been pushing for many many years now, is that Looping is transparent to the style of music. Anybody can use looping in their music, no matter what style of music they play. I believe that for Looping to be more widely adopted among musicians, it is essential that this stylistic openness be maintained. This is why I get very concerned when some people try to identify their own specific style as "looping" or "loop music". Such efforts ostracize others, and I have seen that happen many times on Looper's Delight. Efforts to claim the term "Looping" to one style of music work against my goal to promote it to all musicians. I believe that harms the cause of spreading Looping to a wider group of musicians, and that is why I resist it. Lately I've noticed this trend happening again, so I'm making my same old point once more. >I'm honestly deeply grateful for everything that you have given to the >looping community with the creation of Loopers Delight and the creation of >Loop IV but >I'm going to keep working hard no matter how dismissive you are of what we >are trying to create. And I also appreciate the efforts you put into this Rick. I'm sorry you somehow got the impression that I am being dismissive, because I'm not. However, I am very concerned that some aspects of the approach being taken may ultimately cause more harm than good. this is why I raise the issue for discussion. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 10:50:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QElnS11451; Mon, 26 May 2003 10:47:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:47:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c32395$e66e6680$4bc45e0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <20030525143032.80680.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> <20030525143032.80680.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030525111706.03537ec0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:48:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim said: > At a Trumpeting Festival you expect to find all > of the performers playing trumpet. The main > people interested in attending are other people > who play trumpet, and so most of the audience > also consists of trumpeters. Oh, I bet a few curious cornettists and flugelhornists just might show up as well . . . ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 11:21:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QFKcS15718; Mon, 26 May 2003 11:20:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:20:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <039e01c32398$f6f10e60$8c05c151@nuno> From: "Nuno Climaco Pinto" To: References: <5FE065E5-8D10-11D7-B098-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:10:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_039B_01C323A1.575E23C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 23-05-2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_039B_01C323A1.575E23C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I presently work with a musician that uses Live and and we continue to = be amazed with the stenght of the Repeater / Live pairing. It work=B4s wonderfully for for us.=20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stuart Wyatt=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Repeater On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:38 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: I've had a thing with the repeater where, despite getting a good = midi clock at 80-100 bpm, say, it will record a loop and then act like = the original tempo was 160-200. this results in the loop being half as = big as it should be, and time-stretched to fit the actual tempo. is = there a quick way to disable the software "helpers" that determine the = loop point? I'm guessing they are the culprit.... I had this problem also, which was one of the reasons why I ditched = the Repeater... I was playing with a computer musician who used Live! as = the midi source, and at random intervals, my loops doubled in speed. It = was frustrating, and destroyed a lot of the music that we strived to = create I tried to investigate further to find the cause of this, but I could = not replicate this bug at will. I think it is just one of those strange Repeater bugs :( ------=_NextPart_000_039B_01C323A1.575E23C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I presently work with a musician = that uses=20 Live and and  we continue to be amazed with the stenght of the = Repeater / Live pairing.
 
It work=B4s wonderfully for for us. =
 
 
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On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:38 pm, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 wrote:

I've had a thing with the repeater where, = despite=20 getting a good midi clock at 80-100 bpm, say, it will record a loop = and then=20 act like the original tempo was 160-200. this results in the loop = being half=20 as big as it should be, and time-stretched to fit the actual tempo. = is there=20 a quick way to disable the software "helpers" that determine the = loop point?=20 I'm guessing they are the = culprit....

I had=20 this problem also, which was one of the reasons why I ditched the = Repeater...=20 I was playing with a computer musician who used Live! as the midi = source, and=20 at random intervals, my loops doubled in speed. It was frustrating, = and=20 destroyed a lot of the music that we strived to create

I tried = to=20 investigate further to find the cause of this, but I could not = replicate this=20 bug at will.

I think it is just one of those strange Repeater = bugs=20 :( ------=_NextPart_000_039B_01C323A1.575E23C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 12:49:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QGljb25119; Mon, 26 May 2003 12:47:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:47:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c323a6$53bdd940$d662f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305261521.h4QFLnu16060@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: An Open Apology to Kim Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:46:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please forgive me Kim, I am very, very raw right now and in a lot of grief. My wife and I had to return to California immediately from the Swedish leg of my tour to be with my siblings and family after the passing of my mom. I'm now having some difficulty attempting to go back and rejoin the tour that I've taken so many months (with a lot of people's help) to create. I'm feeling down and a little bit panicky and resenting the hell out of this memorial day weekend (can't reach anybody official on the phone, you know). I did take personally what you said and can now see that I misinterpreted what you said because I'm feeling so vulnerable right now so please forgive my oversensitivity. It's also important to say that I guess I just get a little tired of people (and not necessarily you, Kim) constantly putting down the people who actually like to be called loopers. There is ,of course, always a constant danger of preaching to the converted of course, but the fact of the matter is thatrallying together as a community of people with common cause who are interested in promoting and learning about the thing that they love is not a bad thing. you wrote: ". But I don't see how it does much to directly promote looping outside of that realm." I actually challenge your assertion that looping festivals don't promote to people outside of the realm. I have played to literally thousands of non-loopers in the 25 some odd Looping festivals,several looping tours and dozens of solo, duo and trio gigs that I have done as a self professed Live Looping Artist. I calculated that I performed on local FM radio last year a total of over 12 hours. That went to out to thousands of 'normals' (lol) in my region and over in the South Bay (with several million people within earshot). I was interviewed in countless magazine articles and, indeed, we had a long cover article on the Metro newspaper which went out to most people in our county (100,000 population) on specifically the Live Looping Movement. I've had strong interest from both national and international electronic music magazines and currently have a 30 minute television special rotating constantly on local cable access as we speak. In my region at least I would never have been able to get 500 people to the Rio Theatre to see the 1st Bass Looping Festival if I HADN'T used that angle. All kudos to the solo bass movement but using that angle with reporters just fell flat on it's face whereas talking about the metaphor and technology that surrounded that auspicious event really excited the journalists and I think for three salient reasons: 1) It was new and they didn't know about the technology so it peaked their interest 2) They were fascinated that we were working so damned hard (and at our own expense) to play for FREE as both a gift to our community and as a way of promoting ourselves. 3) They were really intrigued that such a disparate group of stylistic musicians (even despite the fact that we all played bass.......even my sophmoric efforts) had such a strong sense of community. this last fact can't be overemphasized: We have had a really awful time with the notion of community in our culture (Northern California at least) sense the end of the 1960s and people are so hungry for it that they are fascinated (almost universally when I talk to most 'normals') by the fact that a lot of people have that feeling of inclusion. I'm not saying that everyone who uses a looper needs to feel a part of that specific community (merely defined as the people who think of themselves as live loopers). Far be it from the truth. I smile on everyone who comes to Loopers Delight (whether they smoke pot or not........LOL) and recognize everyone's need to be defined the way they want to be defined. Some people have been afraid to be pigeonholed as LOOPERS who I have worked with and I totally accept that. To those people I have said, "Don't worry, I'm justing using that handle as a marketing device.........which is true to an extent". Does it really matter that a wonderful and completely unknown in the United States musician like UK bassist Steve Lawson is known as a solo bassist or as a bass looper or as merely a looper when he is trying to become well known (as he surely deserves) in this big country? I think not. So on our last tour together, he did self professed LOOP TRIO gigs and he did Bass clinics and he played Bass Jamborees (or whatever they called that show at NAMM). The point is to promote artistry in a place where that is difficult. I say Live Looping Artist..................you say potato. It's all good. I'm saying that what is, IS!!! We have been working hard and there is some evidence that it is starting to pay off a little. I see all of your semantic points and can't really argue with many of them, Kim. The big bad world is a tough place to conquer and we're out there attempting to do that in all of our different ways as promoters, from Peter in Boston to Per in Stockholm to Hans in California to Sunao in Osaka. How can this be a bad thing? Why do people constantly get upset that we are just trying to promote a community. If you don't want to be in that community so be it. If we called ourselves the STRANGE HAT COMMUNITY and did exactly what we are trying to do I say that the world is a tiny bit better for our efforts and that we should actually be applauded. Pardon my sentiment, but my mom would have felt the same way. yours, respectfully, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 12:50:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QGn6Q25274; Mon, 26 May 2003 12:49:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:49:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:40:10 -0700 Subject: Re: why Kim why? From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030526020945.028bf2e8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim has a point that talking about looping music is in many ways more like talking about trumpet music than it is like talking about jazz or rock music. This is particularly true if you account for the full spectrum of people who use looping devices and the various ways in which they use them. For many of those people, however, the looping device is frequently just a way to create backing tracks or is an effect to supplement their primary instrument. (The latter is how I would characterize Frisell's use.) What you see amongst some performers and particularly at looping festivals is a shift in emphasis. The evolution of the loop and the interaction with the loop become much more significant. With some performers the loops can come to overshadow the playing of the original sound source. It's frequently a meeting of process music and improvisational music. (Counter-example: Amy X Neuburg) The music may draw from jazz or rock or classical or whatever as its original genre, but as the loops come to the foreground the music distinctly morphs into something else. Who is the audience for such events? Certainly mostly other people using looping devices. Certainly some times pretty small. But I've also seen events where the music was dominated by looping and the audience was pretty large and obviously made up of more than just other people in the community. Over generalizing for each genre: If I go to a jazz festival, I expect to hear improvisation. I probably expect the beat to swing a bit. If I go to a rock concert, I expect a certain simple tribal driving rhythm and I expect mostly to hear songs that last under 5 minutes and focus on the vocalist. If I go to a looping festival, I expect to hear creative use of repetition. That's a relatively abstract concept but so essentially is improvisation. Are Benny Goodman and Miles Davis in his Agharta/Pangaea era both playing jazz? Are Kenny G and Pat Metheny on _Zero Tolerance for Silence_ both playing jazz? (Okay. I've got reservations about Kenny G, but a lot of the world thinks what he plays is jazz.) Those data points aren't even as far apart as I could go. There's a lot of diversity in jazz. There's a lot of diversity in rock. So, in the long run, I don't think there's a big danger of coming up with an overly narrow definition of looping music. In the short run, certainly it might be better if a festival that focuses on ambient music were to be called an ambient festival rather than a looping festival. One could also have live-glitching festivals. As long as the public keeps being exposed to a range of music identified as looping, the genre such as it is isn't at great risk of becoming exclusionary any more than jazz is exclusionary. I think Kim's mission is even broader from the standpoint that he doesn't just want to avoid pigeonholing looping as a particular narrowly defined sound but wants to emphasize its use for a broad range of musicians. This is a good thing from the standpoint that it promotes sales of looping devices which results in more and better options for the people who place their focus on loops. I think that talking about looping as a genre, however, only runs counter to this if one says that only people in the genre use looping devices. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:01:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QH0XA27609; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:00:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:00:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:00:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7BD35B89-8EF0-11D7-9EA6-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/25/03 1:35 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Guitar> Johnson amp>KAOSS Pad>EchoPro>back to the Johnson amp. Setup > time: 5-10 minutes. What do you do to make the KAOSS Pad reasonably accessible while playing guitar? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:06:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QH5Wv28131; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:05:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:05:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:05:30 -0700 Subject: Re: why Kim why? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030526020945.028bf2e8@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <41537151-8F9C-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 03:51 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > And I also appreciate the efforts you put into this Rick. I'm sorry > you somehow got the impression that I am being dismissive, because I'm > not. Hi Kim! How do we get ourselves in this trouble? The last time I brought up similar subjects a group of townspeople chased me out of town with torches. Damn those things sting! But I think it's a *great* point, and if we can move beyond the emotional bonds we have with the word "looping" I think we can better progress and promote our music. I think we all agree that the term "looping" means drasticly different things to different people here. Try to define it and we end up in a flame war. So if we can't agree on what it means (which I think is *GOOD*) why would we think the term would mean anything to an outsider? If I saw a poster that read "Flubu Fest this weekend at the Roxy" I might investigate a bit, because I'm interested in new forms of music. However, most people aren't. They'll pass right by. However if I passed a poster that said, "Progressive Electronica" or "Ambient" Fest I think more people would be inclined to check it out. (The term "ambient" has been so degraded that it seems to now mean any form of instrumental music for which there isn't a well defined genera. In a way I kind of like this term because of that.) SO.... what am I suggesting? Not sure. I know that the last few gigs I've played were not billed with the words "Loop" or "Looper" or "Looping" and no one (including me) cared. Here's an idea: The next "Loopfest" we do can have two names. We can call it Loopfest among ourselves, as we're pretty comfortable with that term, but when we promote it to the outside world we call it something like "New Music Fest - from Ambient to World and everything in between!" That way people interested in new and eclectic music would be inclined to check it out, rather than just people who know what we mean by "Loopfest" or people who are curious about that term. This way, everybody's happy! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:13:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHCns28988; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:12:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:12:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:12:47 -0700 Subject: Re: why Kim why? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41537151-8F9C-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/26/03 10:05 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > (The term "ambient" has been so degraded > that it seems to now mean any form of instrumental music for which > there isn't a well defined genera. In a way I kind of like this term > because of that.) According to CDDB, Ambient isn't a genre. ;-) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:14:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHDnI29120; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:13:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:17:04 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper bibliography From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHDmB29096 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bibliography Books Brindle, Reginald Smith The New Music (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1987) Duckworth, William Talking Music (New York: Da Capo Press, 1999) Dwyer, Terence Composing With Tape Recorders (London: Oxford University Press, 1971) Griffiths, Paul Modern Music (London: Thames And Hudson inc. 1978) Holmes, Thom Electronic and Experimental Music (London: Routledge 2002) Jodd, F.C Electronic Music and Musique Concrete (London: Neville Spearman, 1961) Keane, David Tape Music Composition (London: Oxford University Press, 1980) Mackay, Andy Electronic Music (Oxford: Phaidon Press Ltd, 1981) Nyman, Michael Experimental Music (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press 1974) Potter, Keith Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press 2000) Prendergast, Mark The Ambient Century (London: Bloomsburg publishing Plc, 2000) Oliveros, Pauline The Roots Of The Moment (New York: Drogue Press, 1998) Rich, Alan American Pioneers (London: Phaidon Press Ltd. 1995) Schrader, Barry Introduction To Electro-Acoustic Music (London: Prentice-Hall, 1982) Schwarz, K.Robert Minimalists (London: Phaidon Press Ltd. 1996) Shapiro, Peter Modulations(New York: Caipirinha Production Inc. 2000) Strange, Allen Electronic Music (Iowa: Wm. C. Brown Company Publishers, 1983) Toop, David Ocean Of Sound (London: Serpent¹s Tail, 1995) Tamm, Eric Brian Eno (New York: Da Capo Press, 1995) Articles Milkowski, Bill ŒNeo-Psychedelic Renegade¹ Guitar Player May 1991 p64-71 Santoro, Gene ŒDavid Torn¹s Sonic Boom¹ Guitar World July 1987 p34-122 Woodard, Joe ŒThe experimental artistry of David Torn¹ Guitar Player November 1987 p32-44 Record Notes Brian Eno ­ Discrete Music Jim Fulkerson ­ Works Internet Resources (broken into groups) General http://www.loopers-delight.com The site is a vast resource of loop related material by various different authors. http://www.looproom.com/index_engl.php Looping tour info http://www.loopers-delight.com/history/loophist.html Peters, Michael The Birth of Loop, 1996 http://www.pofinc.org/EIShome.html Background on Pauline Oliveros¹s expanded instrument system Articles http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/Matthias/matthias-loophistory.html Grob, Matthius. Some Loop History and Origins. http://www.audiomidi.com/classroom/software/loops_part1.cfm?cpid=92 Zonvar, Dr Richard. A childs garden of looping , 2003 http://www.audiomidi.com/classroom/software/loops_part2.cfm?cpid=92 Zonvar, Dr Richard. A childs garden of looping part2 , 2003 http://www.mills.edu/LIFE/CCM/CCM_Archives.html The History of The San Francisco Tape Music Centre. http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/David_Torn/Torn_Loop_Article.html Torn, David. In the Loop http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/David_Torn/Torn1.html Rorick, Baker. In the loop ­David Torn Article, From Guitar Shop Magazine, March 1999 http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_cellular_electronica/index.htm Gallagher, Matt. Cellular Electronica, originally published in Electronic Musician, Oct1 2001 http://www.innerviews.org/inner/torn3.html by Prasad, Anil. Recasting identities (David Torn), 2001 http://www.innerviews.org/inner/torn2.html by Prasad, Anil. Fate is not completely decided (David Torn), 1995 http://www.innerviews.org/inner/torn1.html by Prasad, Anil Every mind has to be defused (David Torn),1990 http://www.djspooky.com/articles.html articles by DJ Spooky http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/HISTORY.html by Sellon, Bob. Lexicon Jamman ­Roots of the Concept Harware http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Echoplex information http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html Details of the Echoplex¹s latest software. http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_electrix_repeater/ review of Electrix repeater http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_electrix_repeater_2/ review of Electrix repeater Software http://www.Cycling74.com Max/Msp and Radial software manufacturers. http://www.cycling74.com/share/jhno/des/software.html delicate ear looping software. http://loopool.live.fm/ underground looping software. http://girl.yowstar.com/ looping plug-in. http://www.angelfire.com/dc/swirlee/loop.html software looper for Max/Msp. http://www.devine-machine.com/ software sample looper. http://www.loopit.org/ Jamma looping software for pure data. http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html Pure Data download site. http://dexterssandbox.com/sooperlooper/ Live-Looping software for Linux. http://www.meduse.org/avatar/avatar/arcand/macchina_ricordi_a.html Max/Msp based Live-Looping patch. http://www.csound musical programming language. http://www.ircam.fr/index-e.html Home of experimental music research foundation IRCAM. People Armatronix http://www.armatronix.com/ Aumont, Michael. http://m.aumont.free.fr/ Beardsley, David. http://www.biink.com/db/ Boysen, Per. http://www.boysen.se/index.shtml Brondel, Laurent. http://www.laurentbrondel.com/home.html Butler, Andy. http://www.andybutler.com/ Dresher, Paul http://dresherensemble.org/ Fripp, Robert. Interviews http://www.elephant-talk.com/intervws.htm George, Jimmy. http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com/ Grob, Matthius. Inventor of the Echoplex http://Matthias.Grob.org/ JHNO http://members.aol.com/resonance8/Jhno.html Keating, Zoe. http://www.zoekeating.com/ Knight, Mark. http://www.fiddleforum.com/madfiddler/ Kuckhermann, David. http://www.framedrums.de/ Lafosse, Andre. http://www.altruistmusic.com/ Lanier, Jaron http://people.advanced.org/~jaron/music.html Lawson, Steve. http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk/ Lentz, Daniel. http://www.daniellentz.com/ Leonardson, Eric. http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ Neuburg, Amy X. http://www.isproductions.com/amy/biog.html Oliveros, Pauline. http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline/ Riley, Terry. http://www.terryriley.com/ Scofield, John. http://johnscofield.com/equip.html Stone, Carl. http://www.sukothai.com/v.2/CSMusic.html Subotnick, Morton.http://www.mortonsubotnick.com/ Walker, Rick. http://WWW.LOOPPOOL.INFO/ Z, Pamela. http://www.pamelaz.com/ Zanana http://www.zanana.org/ Zonvar, Dr, Richard. http://www.zvonar.com/ James Fulkerson short biography http://composers21.com/compdocs/fulkersj.htm The Barton Workshop http://web.inter.nl.net/users/BartonWorkshop/ Listening room http://members.bellatlantic.net/~kmistove/ Other resources Max/Msp mailing list Loopers-Delight mailing list Electrix repeater mailing list David Torn yahoo group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/davidtorn/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:18:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHHoH29729; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:49 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHHnB29702 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim suggested I post the paper in 10-15k chunks so here goes chapter by chapter. Please note the general layout paragraphs, footnotes etc. doesn't translate from word into email. Cheers Geoff. Chapter 1 Live Looping In this research paper I wish to study the musical practice of Live-Looping. Live-Looping is in a sense a mythical genre of music that does not appear to have a formalised history written about it. Through my research I aim to put forward the idea that it does exist as a genre of music with a clear and traceable history. Whilst following this history from its initial development to its contemporary uses I hope to uncover stylistic parallels between disparate artists who have made extensive use of Live-Looping technology. This will also go some way to ascertaining if there is any existence of a group aesthetic. Further to this I hope to unearth links between the compositional language of the music and the advancement of Live-Looping technology. I intend to reference this research to artist¹s work with particular regard to their role and influence within this field of musical expression. Due to the shortage of pre-existing material illustrating the development of Live-Looping, I will gather much of my research directly from those artists involved in the movement. Through this first hand study I hope to glean a more accurate portrayal of what I consider to be an incredibly vibrant musical movement. For the purpose of this paper I have chosen to use the term Live-Looping to define a particular use of technology in performance. Live-Looping can be defined as being where ³the sounds of a performer are extended and multiplied by the use of delay processing and real time sampling.² It does not refer to music where ³pre-recorded sounds are played back in a repetitive way as part of a performance or recorded composition² Therefore my working definition of Live-Looping excludes DJ turntablism, sequencing and simply playing repetitive music. Briefly, the technology of Live-Looping was originally conceived of as using tape-delay systems. However, it developed through the use of digital hardware and more recently, software where it has proved to be especially popular amongst programmers of the Macintosh language Max/Msp. Thanks to mass-market exposure and digital technology¹s flexible nature it is now common to find basic Live-Looping algorithms in many popular digital guitar effects processors and other equipment of this kind. Here it is used as a practice aid as well as a performance device. In fact it can be argued that it has achieved the status of being a standard effect on most guitar oriented multi-effects processors. It is also common to find a Live-Looping algorithm as one part of a much more complex system in the software domain of programming languages like Max/Msp. In this case the looping component is there to organise and give form to the more complex processing and algorithmic-based composition work. It can therefore be seen that looping, like most recording hardware, has been absorbed into the software of digital music technology and because of this its use has become commonplace. In this paper I intend to look at all of the above incarnations of Live-Looping technology referring to them as Live-Looping devices. Typically, Live Looping performances are characterised by a performers desire to create an ensemble effect that is not possible using conventional technique. What is of interest is how performers have challenged this notion, by examining the relationship between themselves and Live-Looping technology to find new forms of expression. The most common use of Live-Looping is where a player records a phrase that is then fed back to them, this process is then repeated to create a layering effect. The feedback loop gives the player the opportunity to learn and capitalise upon the subtle nuances of their expression. This effect differs from that of an ensemble¹s in that one person¹s personality is being layered as opposed to many personalities being combined. The relationship between the looping device and the musician also allows for a large amount of improvisation. The player is unrestricted from having to communicate their intentions to other ensemble members, thus allowing them to accompany themselves in whatever way they see fit. In terms of aesthetics Live-Looping provides the user with the opportunity to take chaos and achieve order from it. When a series of random events are selected and then repeated they cease to be random events because they then can be learnt and order can be perceived. Therefore, it can be said that looping random sounds results in the organisation of events where meaning is created from repetition. In this way Looping can also be said to display detail or magnify a situation. This was used to great effect in Alvin Lucier¹s installation Sitting In A Room, where his use of looping has the effect of displaying the resonant frequencies of the room. This is a genre characterised by paradoxes, a performer plays their instrument live but their relationship to the dissemination of their instrument is different to that of the conventional player. By recording themselves, they are in a sense involving both themselves and the audience in the processes of both the studio and the live environment. An instrumentalist is effectively recording their performance and disseminating this recorded performance, as it happens. A live performance is typically characterised by the fact that musical events are created and then lost. This is paradoxically the opposite of the situation in Live-Looping, where the moment is captured and replayed as part of the performance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:18:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHHwS29824; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 9 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHHwB29800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chapter 9 Contemporary Live-Looping In this chapter I will describe the changing trends and new forms of composition that are emerging from within Live-Looping today. It is obviously difficult for me to assess the impact that an artist may have on Live-Looping without the value of hindsight. So I aim to look at the aspects of the genre that stand out the most and relate them back to the historical context I have set out in the previous chapters. Contemporary Looping The 1980s was the digital age, whose children were the first group to grow up emerged by a mass media culture overloading their senses with digital information. It is perhaps fitting that Live-Looping should mirror this paradox, that now people are hearing the live performances of instrumental and vocal artists like Amy X or Andre Lafosse relayed to them in a sampled and digitised form. Through modern technology live performance has become digitised, edited, processed, and sampled. New technology and attitudes to technology have encouraged new narratives to be formed between Live-Loopers and their equipment. Hardware has spawned new control and editing options while software has allowed Live-Loopers the freedom to design new and more complex Live-Looping devices that are configurable to different compositions. Andre Lafosse and the Turntablist aesthetic. The culture of DJing or Turntablism has made the manipulation of recorded music in performance a widely accepted form of musical dissemination. Dance music and Hip-Hop have made the aesthetic of cutting and splicing fragments of music in composition normality. It is perhaps interesting that Live-Looping should see a visionary artist emerge with a similar aesthetic. Describing himself as the ŒTurntablist Guitarist¹, Andre Lafosse mirrors the aesthetic of the cut-up, cutting and splicing his guitar performance replaying this digitised music back at the audience. He jumps between his recorded loops like a DJ switches records, seamlessly blending one loop into another and jumping back in time to replay previously recorded phrases. Turntablism, to me, is about taking an apparatus that is ostensibly designed for playing back a recording, and using (and imposing) the architecture of the playback apparatus to actually sculpt the sound itself. Lafosse has applied this approach to his guitar and Looper set-up from the following standpoint, if a DJ can make new sounds by scratching a record and playing the mixing board controls, then the same kind of concepts and principles could be applied to looping. The guitar (in my case) would take the place of the record, and the EDP and foot-controller could act as the turntable/mixer end of the equation. By focusing some of the skilled aspects of his performance on manipulating the output of his guitar, Andre has in a sense chosen to use his Live-Looping device in a soloistic way. The sounds he produces are therefore governed by the techniques of manipulation he has devised for the EDP in conjunction with his guitar. This is in much the same way as the vocabulary of sounds a turntablist produces are defined by the techniques they have developed for their mixer in combination with their record decks. Fragmented music The form of fragmented composition can be traced back to Musique Concrete where composers would create complex fragmented phrases by inserting many pieces of tape together. The processes pioneered by Schaffer in 1948 of insertion, repetition, and the reversing of material are still highly visible in contemporary Live-Looping, the difference being that now this vocabulary of techniques are being carried out in real time. However although these techniques can be traced back to Musique Concrete their appearance within contemporary Live-Looping is more likely to be derived from the influence of modern dance music. Lafosse¹s compositions have an aesthetic basis in common with dance music and the jagged highly edited sequenced sounds that have characterised the form. However, through his vision he achieves this aesthetic live combining it with improvisation, which adds a feeling of experimental electric jazz to the music. Lafosse has in a sense redefined the medium of the Live-Looping device freeing it from merely providing a surface for the layering of sound. Andre uses the Live-Looping device to create angular loops of sequenced sound that evolve as he replaces elements within it. This goes beyond the aesthetic of cutting and splicing, it¹s the aesthetic of ordered replacement in live-performance calling many to class Lafosse¹s music as Glitch music. Lafosse has pioneered Glitch music within Live-Looping. Glitch music is a new genre of musical composition that has been so named after its fragmented sound. This can be heard in Lafosse¹s early Glitch compositions such as Spastic Meditation (2001) or Instant (2001) where he creates unplayable collections of fragmented phrases. Lafosse¹s style of musical composition/improvisation is still very young and I believe we are hearing an artist just beginning to realise the potential of his talent. The development of Lafosse¹s style can be heard on his more recent compositions like the mesmerising track Asana (2002) where he manages to create beautifully layered textures which are then transformed via his insert work (insert is a function on the EDP). This piece contains a specific type of interplay where the listener¹s sense of a lead line or melody is continually shifting between the guitar and the Live-Looper. Lafosse¹s most recent track entitled Siesmic (2003) is perhaps his most rhythmically aggressive use of the insert process and is in some ways reminiscent of experimental electric jazz music. What Lafosse has pioneered in a sense is the technique for the live sequencing of non-midi instruments. Sequencing has traditionally been the territory of synthesisers and samplers, but Lafosse¹s technique of Glitch music allows this to be applied to any audio signal in real time. Andre¹s influence has also lead to a greater focus on the innovative functional capabilities of the Echoplex, his looping device of choice, causing other people to integrate new Live-Looping techniques into their performances. Other Live-Loopers Other Live-Loopers are taking the aesthetic sound worlds of modern dance music and finding ways to generate this live. Artists like Armatronic¹s seek to invoke the soundworld of modern electronic music but via an improvisatory methodology. With his racks of drum machines, synthesisers and live-looping devices Armatronic¹s starts with all the banks empty, no loops programmed and seeks to improvise electronic music live. His music revolves around the idea of an improvisatory performance where every creation is different and has an inbuilt unpredictability. This opening up of electronic music to chance in live-composition demonstrates a break from the traditional idea that electronic music has to be non real-time form of music creation. With the popularity of DJ culture having peaked we may see a resurgence in the importance of live generated material as opposed to pre recorded live manipulated material. We are seeing an increasing convergence between electronic music and that which is made by conventional instruments. Live-Looping is very much a part of this allowing an instrumental performer to access the vocabulary of electronic music through technology. This could be especially significant in the field of modern dance music as it has struggled to be created or performed other than in a largely pre-recorded format. The live sequencing of live instruments could open this genre up to more radical performance opportunities. Aesthetic Trends Contemporary looping has seen a trend towards an ambandonment of the traditional live-looping aesthetic of a surface of continuous sound so popularised by Terry Riley and Robert Fripp. This has been replaced by more jagged and conventional song-based structures by artists like Amy X. In a sense looping is shedding its traditional sound of slowly evolving musical textures for the contemporary aesthetics of the music of mass or popular culture. This shift in stylistic aesthetic can also be put down to the change in attitude of the current generation of Live-Loopers. Thanks to the mass media revolution people expect to have their attention grabbed instantly and held. This change in attitude is illustrated by Andre Lafosse First and foremost, I knew I didn't want to play ambient music. I wanted something that could grab and hold the listener's attentionŠ If I'm going to make music, and especially if I'm going to go in front of an audience to do it, I don't want to be ignored - I want to capture people's attention, and hold it. Live-Looping has also become characterised by the sheer versatility and the range of aesthetics that people are producing with it. This can be directly attributed to the growing complexity of the equipment used to make it. Digital looping devices as opposed to analogue tape have allowed Live-Loopers to access the sound worlds of dance music and popular song structure with an ease that simply wasn¹t possible with tape. It is perhaps most significant when these new capabilities are used to take the essence of a music genre (e.g. Lafosse¹s innovative take on turntablism) rather than the simple emulation of the sound world of other genres via different means. Emerging Trends Live-Looping is also creating a new emerging form of interaction between musicians. Live-Loopers are beginning to synchronise their devices together so that they can improvise together into a looped form that maintains a consistent timing relationship. This creates a new kind of interaction between musicians as they are reacting to a delayed form of recorded improvisation leading to all sorts of interesting frictions between performers and a new set of rules of engagement. Control The physical relationship between a Live-Looper and the control of their technology has undergone significant changes. Performers are now able to interact with the recorded material using all sorts of digital control methods not possible with analogue technology. Through the use of programming languages like Max/Msp and configurable physical controllers it has become the artist/programmers role to decide the limitations of the interaction between the performer and their looped material. This is perhaps best demonstrated by the female singer Pamela Z through her use of the programming language Max/Msp in conjunction with the midi controller the bodysynth. Through the physical gestures of her body she controls (via the bodysynth) pre-recorded phrases and the Live-Looping and manipulation of her voice. In this sense she has tailored the physical gestures of her body to the manipulation of sound creating a particularly theatrical relationship between her gestures and the audiences perception of her use of technology. Amy X chooses a similar approach to Pamela Z of valuing the theatrical approach to audience communication, choosing to use drum pads to trigger looping functions, it fits in well with my animated and very theatrical performance; I can make a big motion that results in a musical event, and the audience sees that happen quite clearly. It's important to me that it's clear to them what I am doing and that all the sounds are being triggered in real time. This way they really get to observe the process, and that, along with the personal nature of the songs, creates a connection and intimacy with the audience that I find missing from most looping performances. Live-Loopers are enlisting the help of Max/Msp programmers to transcend the limitations of their hardware devices creating more personalised systems for particular performances. An example of this would be the French Live-Looping clarinettist Michel Aumont who is working with Max/Msp programmer Phillippe Olivier to produce a patch that transcends the limitations of hardware loopers allowing him to deconstruct and remix the different components of a previously layered loop. This is a field of software-related musical composition that is rapidly expanding and there are now very capable Live-Looping patches freely available for all the major musical programming languages Pure Data, Max/Msp, and Csound. Traditionalists Although contemporary looping has been characterised by new forms of composition there are still those who are continuing a detailed investigation into the possibilities of Live-Looping in its traditional tape-delay format. One such artist would be the American composer Jim Fulkerson who could be described as an elder statesman of the looping community. ³Fulkerson started working with tape-delay in 1968 at the university of Illinois and states that his interest in tape-delay based composition has remained the same throughout his life. Fulkerson describes himself as a Minimalist who has continued to be fascinated with the idea of the surface structure created by tape delay and how the instrumentalist can guide the listener through this structure" . However, although Fulkerson¹s technical use of tape-delay has remained the same he has contributed many interesting ideas to the compositional use of this form. Fulkerson has developed a range of new techniques for the trombone and through the use of tape-delay has found a way to use these techniques in musically interesting way. The layering process of tape delay allows Fulkerson to paint textures and instrument effects creating a seamlessly flowing soundworld normally unfamiliar to the trombone. This can be heard on the piece Co-Ordinate Systems No. 10 where Fulkerson plays his trombone with woodwind mouthpieces creating a landscape of sound that has a distinct electronic quality. I would argue that Fulkerson¹s use of tape-delay has allowed him to show the extended voice of the trombone that he has developed. The form of layering allows Fulkerson to make sense of these seemingly unusual and bizarre instrument sounds creating an orchestral effect. Fulkerson has also been responsible for taking Live-Looping into many contemporary art disciplines ³especially experimental film and new dance². From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:18:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHI8q30012; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 4 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHI8B29988 Resent-Message-ID: <3He-3C.A.zUH.Qxk0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chapter 4 The Compositional Language Of Early Live-Looping Music, and How It Departed >From Music Of That Time. Compositional Langauge ­Riley and the Time-Lag Accumulator. The Time-Lag Accumulator was crucial to Terry Riley¹s musical language. It gave him the freedom to perform and compose music in a way which was previously impossible. Riley has never seen himself as a traditional composer who sits down at a desk and writes music, Riley is much more a performer who composes music. His performance based approached to writing music was clearly one of the driving forces behind his extensive use of the Time-Lag Accumulator system. It was the Time-Lag-Accumulator alongside the work of La Monte Young that lead Riley¹s music to become obsessed with repetition. Tape delay clearly influenced the way Riley thought about repetition and its aesthetic results. From the cut up and layered phrases of Music For The Gift Riley discovered how carefully constructed modal phrases layered upon each other could produce truly beautiful results. This gave him the inspiration for writing the seminal work In C which has all the characteristics of Music For The Gift but with live musicians taking the place of Time-Lag Accumulation. After In C Riley¹s work became more and more about pushing the boundaries of repetition and its use in live performance. The Time-lag Accumulator allowed Riley the freedom to create counterpoint with a solo instrument layering phrases in an ensemble effect. This is perhaps best heard on his 1968 recording Poppy No Good and The Phantom Band where Riley¹s soprano saxophone is layered time and time again to create huge washes of sound. Riley also made full use of the two separate tracks of the Time-lag Accumulator to control the interaction between two layers of accompaniment. Riley used this feature to seamlessly fade phrases out of the music whilst bringing new material in giving compositions like Dorian Reed¹ a wonderful seamlessly evolving structure. When I asked Terry Riley about the role he felt the Time-Lag Accumulator occupied in his performances he replied ³A most central one as it supplied the polyphonic richness against which could surround the audience in a cyclic and swirling universe of sound.² The use of Live-Looping to create layers of sound also has a crucial psychological effect on the performer that makes it quite different to playing with an ensemble. It makes the player instantly listen back to themselves examining all the details of their expression, this kind of aural refection causes the player to react to the subtle imperfections in timing and pitching of the material. This gives an entirely different effect to the soloist/ accompanist scenario where each player will vary their performance even when looping repetitive phrases. Also in Live-Looping the performer is layering only one performer¹s personality, this differs in effect to that of an ensemble which combines different performer¹s individual voices. Another significant characteristic of Riley¹s work that differed from that of other experimental composers of the time was the reintroduction of a pulse into music. This was what gave Riley¹ s music such great crossover potential. Riley stated the importance of the pulse as providing a constant from which one could get ³as far out as you want² . This pulse as in a lot of Jazz and eastern music gave Riley the constant he needed to take his music into extremes of improvisation without ever losing the overall character of the music. Riley, Cage and The European Tradition In chapter two I talked about the high modernist influence of John Cage that so engulfed the avant-garde music world. I also looked at some of the musical language of Musique Concrete. I now would like to relate these two things to early live-looping music. Cage Cage studied with Schoenberg and the influence of Serialism and its modernist ideals characterised his music. Some of his chance music bears an aesthetic surface strikingly similar to that of the serially composed music to which it is so adamantly opposed. The work of Riley and indeed that of other Minimalist composers differs from that of Cage (and other experimental composers who relied on complex systems of chance to remove their own deliberate actions from their compositions) in the audibility of the process behind the music. In Cage¹s work the chance processes he used are there to deliberately obscure any sense of a perceivable structure or organisation, where as in Riley¹s work the process is the most visible part of the composition. Cage tried to move on from Serialism and the European style of composition, however it could be argued that it was Minimalism through the work of Riley alongside other composers such as La Monte Young that truly broke away from this genre of modernist composition. Minimalism replaced the high modernist ideal of ever increasingly complex compositions and complex thought processes with a much more simplistic approach. The music of the Minimalists is characterised by a return to conventional harmony and reinstatement of the pulse back into experimental music. When one looks at the language and motivation of the music that came before Terry Riley¹s Time-lag Accumulator compositions it becomes clear just how revolutionary they were. This was true American experimental music that had finally broken away from the European tradition. This was a symbolic change in the direction of experimental music that would go on to be described as part of the movement of post-modernism. There are however similarities between the music of the Minimalists and the music of Cage. Cage created the idea of music as a surface for the audience to look into, the most extreme example of this was his piece 4¹33². This idea of a surface is one of the strongest characteristics of Minimalist music. The idea that once the music has started the listener is presented with a wash of sound as opposed to being lead through a piece via peaks and troughs. It seems unlikely that Minimalism could have found this aesthetic were it not for the work of Cage. It also seems poignant that the music took on a free improvisatory element, this fitted well with the social climate in the East Coast of America at that time. The Hippy movement with its emphasis on freedom, self-expression, and getting high was intrinsically linked to the character of Riley¹s music. He adopted a modal approach to his music unlike that of Cage and the Serialist¹s saying it didn¹t interfere with the state of consciousness he achieved when using marijuana. Cage¹s music was often characterised by elaborate systems of presenting chance to remove the composer¹s intent, whereas Riley¹s music through improvisation gradually displayed an increasing desire to get closer to the essence of himself. Eventually culminating in a break from performance to study full time with Prada Nath. The Concrete influence In chapter three I put forward the argument for the evolution of tape delay from the continuous experimentation with the medium of tape that began with Musique Concrete. Although some of Riley¹s early Time-Lag pieces e.g. She Moves Me owed a lot to the compositional language of Musique Concrete, eventually a new language began to emerge. By the time Riley had begun Keyboard studies in 1964 his integration of technology into performance was completely different to the use of tape technology in Musique Concrete. A Concrete composer would typically spend huge amounts of time editing their tape loops into their chosen form, by 1964 Riley felt this ³is more like composing, which I never enjoyed ­ sitting at a desk and writing music. That¹s why I put my music down on a tiny sheet of paper and spend all my time playing¹ . Riley had abandoned the complex tape editing and assembling of sounds that characterised his earlier work in favour of processing his live instrument improvisations with the Time-Lag Accumulator. By doing this Riley succeeded in creating a whole new method for music composition that was no longer simply reliant on the precedent of Musique Concrete. It was here that Terry Riley can be said to have created Live-Looping with the idea that a performer can accompany themselves in live performance through the use of delay. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:19:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHI3D29895; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 6 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHI3B29868 Resent-Message-ID: <-MwbeC.A.-SH.Lxk0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chapter 6 The Music of Brain Eno and Robert Fripp The Brian Eno and Robert Fripp partnership Brief History Brain Eno became interested in repetition from exposure to the music of the Minimalists. The first piece he ever performed in public was La Monte Young¹s 1960 piece X For Henry Flynt. The piece gives the following instructions to the performer ³a heavy sound (such as a cluster) is to be repeated as uniformly, as regularly, and as loudly as possible a relatively large number of times² . From this performance Eno noticed how the subtle variations of timing and timbre between each recurrence became more obvious with time, leading him to conclude, ³Repetition is a form of change² . In a 1985 interview Eno singled out another Minimalists work Steve Reich¹s Its Gonna Rain as ³probably the most important piece that I ever heard, in that it gave me an idea I¹ve never ceased to be fascinated with ­ how variety can be generated by very simple systems² The influence of Minimalists like Riley, Reich and La Monte Young would cause Eno alongside Robert Fripp to bring Live-Looping to the masses. Music In the autumn of1972 Brain Eno and Robert Fripp got together to produce the album No Pussyfooting Around (1973). The record was made by the combination of Brain Eno¹s manipulation of two Revox tape recorders in an identical formation to Terry Riley¹s ŒTime-Lag Accumulator¹ using Robert Fripp¹s guitar as the input. The record contains two long pieces of music, The Heavenly Music Corporation and Swastika Girls both reliant on the tape delay system Terry Riley had invented. Although the record was clearly based around Terry Riley¹s ŒTime-Lag Accumulator¹ system Robert Fripp decided to rename this equipment system Frippertronics. In Fripp¹s words ³Frippertronics is defined as that musical experience which results at the (intersection) of Robert Fripp and a small and appropriate level of technology which is my Les Paul, the Fripp pedal board of fuzz, wah-wah and volume pedals and two Revox's.² Fripp goes on to describe the aesthetic effect of Frippertronics saying, ³there are two categories of Frippertronics, pure and applied. Applied is where it¹s used as an alternative to traditional orchestration, instrumentation, arrangement and so on and pure Frippertronics is where Frippertronics stands up as music in its own right.² Influence of Riley The structure of the piece The Heavenly Music Corporation strongly alludes to the work of Terry Riley. The use of a drone, its modal form, the rhapsodic solos, and subtle modulation cadence could easily read as a description for Terry Riley¹s piece Poppy No-good And The Phantom Band recorded some 5 years before in 1968. The most significant result of Eno and Fripp¹s recording No Pussyfooting Around was through their high profile status within the rock music world that they were able to increase the mainstream music buying public¹s exposure to Live-Looping. They went on to repeat the collaboration with the 1975 recording Evening Star. This was their last album together however both Eno and Fripp continued to use tape delay in their own music. Robert Fripp forming the rest of his musical output around it. Robert Fripp Fripp has continued to remain at the forefront of Live-Looping ever since his initial experiments with Brian Eno. In 1978 Fripp went on to use the ŒFrippertronics¹ system on his solo album Exposure. Although this effect can be heard throughout the album it is perhaps most prominent on ŒWater music¹ and ŒWater music 2¹ where Fripp creates thick almost synthesizer layers of distorted guitar to beautiful effect. ³Fripp continued using the tape delay/feedback system in his work with Peter Gabriel (1976) and Daryl Hall (1977).² The Frippertronics system is still used by Fripp even today although now he has replaced the Revox tape recorders with digital delay units (TC2290s) and renamed it Soundscaping. With Soundscaping Fripp has increased the complexity of his looping by using four TC2290s i.e. four channels of looping each of which could be set to cycle over a different time period. Fripps contribution to the Live-Looping movement was significant because his fame and his concert appearances increased the public¹s awareness of the use of tape delay as a performance and compositional device. I don¹t believe that Frippertronics and the compositional use of it can be said to be significantly different from that of Terry Riley and his ŒTime-Lag Accumulator¹. However, Fripp¹s music was of great importance because of his popularity and just as crucially because he was an electric guitarist. The electric guitar could probably be seen as highest profile western instrument of the time and therefore the appeal of someone doing something genuinely new with it was massive. It can be argued that it was Fripp¹s use of Live-Looping that has now made the guitar the most commonly associated instrument with Live-Looping. Brian Eno The Heavenly Music Corporation as a system, anticipates Eno¹s own ambient style. First of all, the piece is a system, or process: it represents a way of making music, a concept of music-making, as much as it represents a composition in the traditional sense. Eno and Fripp¹s piece The Heavenly Music Corporation was in many ways a forerunner to the direction that Eno would use in his later in works. The piece is based around a process of musical creation (tape delay) that Eno would go on to systemise further in what became known as his first Ambient recording Discrete Music (1975). This record was produced by two stored synthesiser lines played into the same tape delay system as used on No Pussyfooting Around. Famously the album was produced almost without intent. Eno desired to produce some background music for himself and Robert Fripp and once set in motion the music was produced with almost no intervention whilst Fripp and Eno had tea. Discrete Music saw Eno using the ideas of the Minimalists in new ways. Using a combination of Riley¹s ŒTime-Lag-Accumulator¹ and Reich¹s idea of phasing Eno created a continuously evolving soundscape. Although the piece is not Live-Looping in the traditional sense, the fact that it is created live (once started), means it should be included here. After Discrete Music Eno¹s solo work continued to follow the Steve Reich inspired ideas of systems of music generation using closed tape loops on his Ambient work series. Significance Eno¹s significance as a composer and producer of music has been huge. He has been responsible for relocating the lessons and ideas of Minimalist composers into a rock and mainstream audience. Through his album Discreet Music Eno can be said to have created a whole new genre of music composition called Ambient music. Although Discreet Music uses the same tape delay system as Frippertronics and the ŒTime-lag Accumulator¹ the results are once again very different. In this case Eno used Live-Looping to make soothing music that redefined the idea of foreground and background. This was Eno¹s version of the idea of automatic music, a successful realisation of the ideas of musical process that Steve Reich had produced with his early phasing pieces. Eno would continue to explore the idea of musical systems in his Ambient series of records. Eno famously said that Ambient music ³must be as ignorable as it is interesting² This mindset has a very Cagean ring to it in that once again Eno was fascinated with the idea of surface in music an idea that Cage had explored before him. Eno, inspired by Cage, also used chance in the creation of his music creating his own Oblique Strategies oracle cards mirroring Cage¹s use of the Chinese book called the I Ching. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:19:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHHsU29788; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 8 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHHsB29762 Resent-Message-ID: <1XJPp.A.URH.Cxk0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chapter 8 Digital Loopers Digital looping has seen the emergence of many individual voices who have each contributed something unique to the movement. Digital technology has also allowed Live-Looping to make its way into many differing musical genres from popular music and film music to contemporary classical music. Within this chapter I intend to discuss the work of Pauline Oliveros and David Torn. This is because more than anyone else these two artists have pioneered the use of digital Live-Looping in new and important ways. Pauline Oliveros In 1983 Pauline Oliveros acquired a pair of Lexicon PCM42s and began to use them in her work. Oliveros became interested in the new possibilities for control that the Lexicon offered her. It was possible to change the delay time, mix, feedback and capture parameters all via a foot pedal something previously not possible with tape-delay systems. Oliveros would go on to push the limits of human control even further with her EIS (Expanded Instrument System). EIS was the name Oliveros gave to the collection of technology (multiple delay processors, microphones, mixer, and controllers) she used to process her accordion (and additional performers¹ instruments) with. Using the EIS Oliveros sought to increase the performative possibilities for interaction within Live-Looping. In early configurations Oliveros would be accompanied by an assistant who would control the signal routing and parameters of the looping devices that could not be accessed by foot pedals. This would progress later with Oliveros in collaboration with others looking at the possibilities of multi-speaker diffusion. This work resulted in two compact discs: The Roots of the Movement (1987) and Crone Music (1988). The EIS system later went on to explore the possibilities of computer control using the Max programming language. Oliveros¹s work with the EIS, looking at intelligent computer systems and new ideas for performance interaction, has shown definite foresight. With the EIS she has pre-empted many of the ideas that are now commonplace in the work of programmers using Max/Msp for Live-Looping. It is therefore entirely logical that Oliveros herself now performs with specially programmed Max/Msp based Live-Looping patches on a Macintosh powerbook. David Torn David Torn began experimenting with looping in the summer of 1975 with synthesist Andrew Schlessinger. These early experiments were described by Torn as ³Very ambient, very spacious² and were influenced by Torn¹s fondness of Terry Riley¹s work and Fripp and Eno¹s No Pussyfooting Around . Once Torn had taken these early steps in looping he saw the creative potential and felt there was no turning back. Throughout the eighties Torn established himself as a prominent artist with an original voice in the looping world (through the jazz-fusion arena). In 1981 Torn acquired a Lexicon PCM42 that would become the foundation of his looping set-up. Torn combined masterful integration of looping and signal processing technology in performance with incredible guitar technique to form his trademark sound. I believe it would be wrong to think of Torn primarily as a guitarist who carries out Live-Looping, Live-Looping is an integral part of Torn¹s musical aesthetic and allows him to transcend the boundaries of his instrument. Probably his most significant record was the 1987 recording Clouds About Mercury. This record represents one of the most fully realised visions of looping in a band context. Torn has evoked different textures and sound-worlds via his skilled guitar technique and highly processed guitar sound. The beautiful introduction of the piece Suyafhu Skin shows how Torn has successfully created a style of guitar playing that takes advantage of the possibilities of looping, using it to heighten the listener¹s awareness of the new textural sounds he is able to coax from his instrument. The album contains almost no overdubs, instead it uses looping and harmonization to create multi-layered instrument effects. Torn not only uses looping to create huge washes of sound but is able to use it with rhythmic material within a more conventional structural relationship on the track Network Of Sparks. On the record Clouds About Mercury Torn clearly redefines the capabilities of Live-looping within an ensemble environment. Perhaps Torn¹s greatest contribution to Live-Looping has been his ability (through his highly developed use of the guitar as a sound source) to take the use of Live-Looping into so many musical contexts. Torn¹s guitar/technology style of sonic mayhem has seen him become in demand from many differing musical areas. His trademark textures have been used on numerous feature film soundtracks including Traffic, A Knight¹s Tale, Three Kings and Heist. He has also appeared on the albums of many popular music artists such as K.D.Lang and Me¹Shell Ndegeocello and on adverts and sample CDs. Whether people realise it or not most western people will have heard Torn¹s looping work. Through this work Torn has brought the music of Live-Looping to the ears of millions. In fact so popular has Torn¹s sound become that he has become one of the most sampled musicians of our time. Torn¹s incredible sonic versatility raises questions about where Live-Looping may be headed. Torn¹s Live-Looping approach has become so advanced in terms of digital processing that in some sense it is now almost impossible to distinguish its use from that of other studio activities. This is a crucial point, that once the medium of Live-Looping ceases to have an identity i.e. ceases to be recognisable as a process then in a sense the uniqueness of it as a compositional aid ceases and it becomes a device that can be used to emulate other forms of composition. This I believe has been one of the developing trends of Live-Looping, the amalgamation and advancement of the technology to allow the performer to access the sound worlds of other forms of studio composition. With the advancement of digital technology, making looping achievable in most musical contexts, so the character and individuality of looping has been absorbed into a bigger picture. Digital Loopers can now do structures like verse, chorus, verse, chorus and repeat in a way that would be problematic with analogue tape-delay equipment. The removal of limitations from Live-Looping devices has seen a loss of the individuality of the sound of Live-Looping replacing it with the flexibility to allow much greater integration into other musical forms. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:20:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHHqO29758; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHHpB29734 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chapter 2 The Pre-History Of Live-Looping and The Figures That Would Inspire Its Creation. Musique Concrete ­ The Beginnings of Tape based music. Live-looping was created from the birth of the tape recorder, however it was by no means the first tape music. The tape recorder was developed by 1935 and became readily available by 1950. The tape recorders potential to allow new forms of musical composition was first recognised by the composers of contemporary classical music. The first of these was Pierre Schaeffer whose early studies written for manipulated gramophone records of sound effects were the beginnings of what he called Musique Concrete. Musique Concrete was ³a term Schaffer coined to denote the use of sound objects from nature, ³concrete² sounds of the real world. These were opposed to the Œmusical objects¹ of tonal music, whose source was the abstract value system of the mind.² Schaeffer can be said to be the founder of the institution of the electronic music studio way back in 1948. Using the medium of vinyl he designed a whole series of techniques for musical composition. He would create endless loops from specially cut records, reverse sounds, layer sounds, and process sounds with reverb and audio filters. It is amazing to think that so many of the compositional techniques that we take for granted today were pioneered by Schaffer back in 1948. The 1950s saw Schaeffer transfer his skills from working with vinyl to the more flexible format of tape and alongside his associate Pierre Henry he produced the first extended Musique Concrete composition, Symphonie Pour Un Homme Seul which was premiered in 1950. Musique Concrete represented a new compositional language, where the outcome was essentially fixed in concrete form that gave no scope for interpretation by a performer. It is within Musique Concrete that we saw the beginnings of the fascination with recorded sound as a unit for musical creation and manipulation that has continued right through to the present day with digital sampling. Composers became fascinated in the variety of sounds that could be produced by familiar objects and instruments when warped by the studio environment. Composers could change the timbre of an instrument via the variable playback speed of a tape recorder, recorded sounds could be fragmented via razor blade editing, allowing small chunks of different material to be reassembled into collages of unplayable passages. For example a clip of laughter could be reversed then spliced into the decay of a piano chord and blended with a re-pitched flute melody. These types of manipulation would form the blueprint for functions implemented later on in Live-Looping. The Breaking of the European Model Musique Concrete can be said to represent the beginnings of a break away from the European Classical model that had dominated music throughout the 19th and early 20th century. Music in the early 20th century had been characterised by the modernists Schoenberg and Stravinsky who represented the cutting edge of the continual evolution of the system of musical harmony. This in turn had been cemented in history by the creation of the European schools of music such as the Academy of Music, and the Trinity College of Music. Music Concrete clearly differed from the music of the Serialist¹s. The music was no longer about increasing the complexity of the harmonic and rhythmic components. The focus had changed all together, where the quality of found sounds and the newness of manipulated sound became the focal point for music composition. A new aesthetic had been found. Music Concrete displayed a language of musical examination that would later on be repeated in the early live-looping pieces. Compositions like Henry¹s ŒVocalise¹ using only the sound ŒAh¹ demonstrate how entire pieces could be made from very small musical fragments. Indeed Schaffer would often classify his pieces by the type of sounds used to make them. There are clear parallels between these early tape pieces and the early tape pieces of the Minimalists like Steve Reich and Terry Riley. Pieces like Riley¹s She Moves Me or Reich¹s Its Gonna Rain both rely on this idea of the examination of a single musical fragment. Cage Other composers also began to try to distance themselves from the European classical tradition. The American composers Henry Cowell , Charles Ives, and John Cage tried to create a music that wasn¹t based upon the European tradition. Of these Cage was probably the most successful and would prove to be one of the great pioneers of American music, whose ideas would be of huge influence to the first Live-Looping composers. Although Cage had grown up studying the European classical model of music under teachers like Schoenberg his musical ideas began to display a departure from European forms and traditions. Cage¹s harmonic and rhythmic language was still derived from the European tradition, yet his obsession with experimentation redefined the boundaries of what music could be perceived as and represented a significant departure. I believe Cage is best look upon as an inventor of musical ideas, who although failed to produce many outstanding compositions, certainly produced an outstanding output of ideas and methods for the creation of music. Cage in a sense represented an extreme of modernism where he even managed to call silence music. It was Cage¹s philosophy on music, his incorporation of the influence of eastern cultures, and what he represented that inspired the Minimalists rather more than the actual music he made. Cage removed the need for music to have a developmental structure, he replaced this with the idea that music can exist as a sensation that can be heard. Cage¹s music presented the listener with a surface to read into as opposed to directing the listener through a piece of music through the use of harmony and structure which can be heard even in the atonal music of Schoenberg and Webern. This idea of music as an open surface can be seen to have been taken up by the first Live-Loopers, the Minimalists. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:20:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHIDL30100; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Contents From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHICB30072 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim suggested I post the paper in 10-15k chunks so here goes chapter by chapter. Please note the general layout paragraphs, footnotes etc. doesn't translate from word into email. Cheers Geoff. Contents 1. Introduction: Live Looping P1-3 2. The Pre-History Of Live-Looping and The Figures That Would Inspire Its Creation. P 5-8 3. The Invention of Live Looping P9-16 4. The Compositional Language Of Early Live-Looping Music, and How It Departed From Music Of That Time. P17-22 5. Steve Reich ­ A Revolution in Repetition and Structure P23-25 6. The Music of Brain Eno and Robert Fripp P26-30 7. Digital Playground P31-34 8. Digital Loopers P35-38 9. Contemporary Live-Looping P39-47 10. Concluding Thoughts P48-51 Bibliography P52-54 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:20:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHI6j29977; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHI5B29950 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chapter 3 The Invention of Live Looping As with many things that are Œinvented¹ it is hard to judge exactly who invented Live-Looping and whether it was simply in the air at that time or if it was the creation of a specific person or group of persons. It is therefore also problematic to say who created the first Live-looping composition. However, what can be clearly shown were the strong personalities of the time who would go on to leave their mark in history emerging as the leaders of this new form of music composition. History During the early 1960s a group of young composers came together in San Francisco at the Tape Music Centre. Among them were Terry Riley, Pauline Oliveros, Steve Reich, Morton Subotnick, Richard Maxfield, and Ramon Sender. However, many of these composers had previous contact with each other, for example, Terry Riley and Pauline Oliveros studied together at Berkley. This group of composers with the addition of La Monte Young would go on to create a new genre of music called Minimalism of which Live-Looping was a part. I believe it is important to recognise that this melting pot of composers exchanging ideas and experiences was extremely significant in the forming of each composer¹s individual style. One of the reasons that it is difficult to state an absolute inventor of Live-looping is because of the nature of the sharing and creation of so much innovative music by this group of people at that time. However out of all of this it was Terry Riley whose early contribution to Live-Looping clearly stood out as being the most prominent. Terry Riley Terry Riley studied at The University of California at Berkley in the autumn of 1958 and it was here he met La Monte Young whose influence upon Riley was considerable. Young introduced Riley to the ideas of Cage after he returned from a period of study with Stockhausen (in Darmstadt, Germany in 1959). Young with the help of Riley tried out his Cage-influenced ideas as composers in residence for the Anne Halprin Dance Company. Young also introduced Riley to the idea of repetition as a form of change with his piece X for Henry Flynt where a performer would essentially repeat a loud sound over and over. In the autumn of 1960 Young left Berkley for New York leaving Riley alone. It was around this time that Riley began his experiments with tape loops. Riley¹s early tape based compositions were guided by an expert in the field of tape editing Richard Maxfield. His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley¹s first attempts at live looping, ²with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an Echoplex, a primitive electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated in an ever accumulating counterpoint against itself² . It is clear that these early experiments with tape looping had a profound effect on Riley, this was the beginning of his fascination with repetition. In 1963 Riley went to Europe where he was influenced by ragtime, marijuana, Moroccan music, and the Jazz music of John Coltrane with its fusion of non-western music. While in Europe the combination of drugs, modal music and a fascination with repetition lead Riley to discover his identity as a composer. It was here that he oversaw the creation of what would become the foundations for the Live-Looping movement. In 1963 Riley gained access to the ORTF radio studios in Paris where he described the layering looping technique he had used with an Echoplex in his piece Mescalin Mix to a French technician. The technician set up a similar system with a pair of Ampex tape machines. The system consisted of a matched pair of decks with the tape threaded around both, one deck was set to record (input) the other playback (delay) the output of the playback deck was then fed back into the record deck allowing a musical phrase to be repeated. Riley termed this arrangement of tape recorders the ¹Time-Lag Accumulator¹ on account of its ability to accumulate the audio input over a period of time. This system became the blueprint for live looping and would be copied by other artists such as Pauline Oliveros, Brian Eno, and Robert Fripp. Having discovered this processing system Riley went on to use it to write She Moves Me and Music For The Gift. In the piece She Moves Me Riley took the input of an actors voice and layers it using the Time lag accumulator, creating vast washes of text. The piece The Gift used different source material and was made up of reassembled lines from a cover of Miles Davis¹s composition So What. Riley had recorded Chet Baker¹s band playing the song, recording each instrument separately, this allowed him to cut up the piece and creatively reassemble it using just the phrases he wanted. So What is an intensely modal piece and the links between Riley cutting up and assembling the modal phrases of it for repetition and accumulation in The Gift and his later work In C which also uses a similar process are clear. Riley now returned to San Francisco and continued his work with tape loops and processing via the Time-Lag-Accumulator. Riley created 3 works with text furthering his explorations from the piece She Moves Me. The first of these was simply entitled I (July 1964) ³This is based entirely on the single word I, spoken using a variety of inflections and subject to feedback processes which accumulate powerfully to produce a continuous drone.² . Followed by It¹s Me and That¹s Not You which were created in late 1965 using only a single voice and the time-lag accumulator processing. This work that Riley did with text and the use of tape recorders would have a profound effect on the young composer Steve Reich who had befriended Riley at this time. (Reich first tape piece Its Gonna Rain was premiered at the Tape Music Centre in Jan 1965) Riley¹s other tape pieces from this time also showed him making extensive use of tape editing and time-lag processing these were ³Shoeshine (June 1964), The Bird Of Paradise (summer 1964), and the piece entitled In A flat October (1964).² In 1967 Riley acquired his first synthesizer which he used on the piece You¹re Nogood. This composition was to be the first of many he would write for synthesizer and tape delay. Around 1964 Riley began using the Time-Lag Accumulator to process his keyboard and saxophone improvisations in live performance. This was another important watershed. These improvisations saw the creation of what Riley would call ŒSolo Time-Lag Music¹. Riley combined keyboard drones with layers of improvised soprano saxophone all processed through the ŒTime-Lag-Accumulator¹ to mesmerising effect. The first of these pieces was called Dorian Reeds (performed early in 1967) following that came Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band, which was essentially an extension of the same idea. Through this creative use of technology Riley redefined the role of the solo performer. Through his use of tape delay Riley was able to compose, improvise and accompany himself in real-time creating multi part arrangements. This opened up new possibilities for real-time performance freeing up the solo performer to achieve soundscapes that were previously impossible. Riley would continue to refine his improvisational art throughout the late 1960s and early 1970s this can be heard on the 1969 recording A Rainbow in Curved Air. Riley¹s recorded work still represents some of the most complex and well-executed use of Live-Looping even today. Other Loopers of the time Terry Riley was not the only person to explore the possibilities of looping during the 1960s. In fact it is entirely arguable that Riley did not invent this technique. My research has revealed a much cloudier picture of the early use of tape delay in music composition than has been previously suggested. It is does however seem that the explosion of tape delay composition centred around one particular place in America, The San Francisco Tape Music Centre (S.F.T.M.C.). The San Francisco Tape Music Centre was founded in 1961 by Morton Subotnick, a former member of the Mills College Music Department, and Ramon Sender, who received his M.A. in composition from Mills in 1965. Although the original impetus behind its formation was to meet the needs of a small group of composers- including Sender, Subotnick, Pauline Oliveros, Terry Riley, and Anthony Martin ­ who needed access to equipment and a venue to present concerts of experimental music, the Tape Music Centre quickly developed a unique philosophy and aesthetic mission. By questioning the various members of the S.F.T.M.C. I have attempted to demonstrate that there is an alternative argument to Riley being the tape delays sole inventor. Morton Subotnick informed me on the subject of tape delay that, This technique and others like it were being used by the late 50's..some in San Francisco by the Tape Centre (Ramon, Pauline and myself).Vladimir Ussachevsky was using all sorts of time lag. Mauricio Kagel had a work for percussion where the material the musicians played was recorded and brought back later in the composition. It would be a gross simplification to give the credit to any one person, it was in the air and remains in the air. The introduction of the tape recorder made us all aware of the possibility of bringing things back, altered and/or layered. Pauline Oliveros took a similar view to that of Subotnick about the early use of tape delay (a la the Riley set-up) in music composition. She informed me that she felt that the system was invented by a group of people working together calling it a ³community of interest² going on to say, The system was already invented. Various composers around the same time discovered that echo could happen with tape delay. The first loop that I was involved with was during a 1960 concert with Ramon Sender and Morton Subotnik. A tape was strung across two machines for a long delay that picked up our sounds as we improvised. The concert was reviewed by Alfred Frankenstein in the San Francisco Chronicle. Pauline also confirmed to me that all the composers within the S.F.T.M.C were experimenting with this technology in the early 1960s. Oliveros confirmed her role in tape delay based composition saying that most of her time from 1960 onwards was devoted to it. There is no doubt that Oliveros went on to become one of the premier composers and innovators of the live-looping movement affirming her commitment and expertise with pieces like I of VI (1966) and C(s) for Once (1966). Another person of significance that I spoke to was Ramon Sender also a founder member of the S.F.T.M.S. Interestingly he took the opposite point of view to Oliveros and Subotnick saying ³To my knowledge, Terry was the first to put one tape through two Wollensaks (tape recorders) set ten or so feet apart, the first one on Œrecord¹ the second one on ŒPlayback¹. I copied his technique various times in performances.² Ramon also revealed that he tried to find different applications for the Riley set-up demonstrating the fact that a community of people were experimenting with this technology at the time. Sender also informed me that the earliest and only piece he wrote to use the Time-Lag Accumulator system was called Piano Canon and was presented at the San Francisco conservatory in 1962 (approximately) and consisted of a microphone placed inside a piano with two tape recorders spaced apart a la the Riley set-up. When I asked Terry Riley about what other members of the San Francisco Tape Music centre had said his response was It is entirely possible that this idea occurred to many people around this time and as I could not possibly be everywhere and hear everything I could not verify this. I had never before heard the kind of echo effect that was achieved in my 1963 recording of Music For The Gift before it was done in Paris. So for me it was the first time. Whether Riley was the first Live-Looper may remain unclear, however what can clearly be stated is Riley¹s defining role in being the most acclaimed and accomplished Live-Looper of the time. His role is perhaps best described by himself Throughout the 1960's and early 70's I worked exhaustively and almost exclusively with delay techniques in live performance with works like Poppy Nogood And The Phantom Band and Rainbow In Curved Air. These are documented in my CBS recordings and others. If I was not the first, which is possible, I think I was the first to develop these forms so intricately and extensively. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:21:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHI1829865; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 10 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHI0B29840 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chapter 10 Concluding Thoughts Writing a history of Live-Looping has posed a number of quite significant problems. The first problem being that Live-Looping hasn¹t been recognised as a genre of music, only as a tool for the composition or performance of music. This has meant that there are almost no written historical lineages about it. To write its history has therefore been a huge undertaking of finding and linking relevant information. Also because Live-Looping has no status as a genre this has affected the quality of my resources. Interview material of its¹ artists seems to have been conducted by journalists who are unaware of Live-Looping as a genre of music, or its history. This has meant that most artist¹s interviews and articles have been a very shallow source of information. The second problem I have faced has been having no reference point to base or guide my research upon. I have had to make subjective judgements about those artists who have been the most important to the movement based almost solely upon my research. This lack of other formal sources of information has made my work a unique insight into an alternative history of a possible musical genre. My research has yielded a large amount of material that I would have liked to have put into this research paper but space has prevented me. This includes material generated from interviews with Jim Fulkerson, Steve Lawson and in-depth email correspondences with many artists. There has also been insufficient time for me to look at all of the sections of Live-Looping. For instance, there were a significant amount of other artists I would have liked to look at e.g. Matthius Grob, Richard Zvonar, Daniel Lentz, Paul Dresher, Carl Stone etc. I also wish to look further into the use of Max/Msp for Live-Looping as my research uncovered a large amount of activity in this area, but due to its underground and obscure nature its something that would take me a long time to fully research. Live-Looping as a Genre After completing this research paper I believe that there is a strong case for Live-Looping to exist as a musical genre and for history to relate its unfolding story. On listening to a large range of music produced by the process of Live-Looping I have found that pieces from contrasting musical genres have remarkably similar qualities. For example on listening to Terry Riley¹s Poppy No Good And The Phantom Band, Fripp and Eno No Pussyfooting Around, Jim Fulkerson¹s Co-Ordinate Systems No.10, David Torn¹s Suyafhu Skin back to back, reveals huge similarities in the overall listening experience. I think it is fair to say that in some respects these works seem to be more related to each other than the music of the genre each artist has been positioned in. Even listening to very contemporary music of Andre Lafosse or Amy X the music seems very attached to the idea of a Live-Looping genre of music. If genre is taken as indicating a style of art or music then I believe that Live-Looping stylistically has a greater effect on an artist¹s sound than the genre their style of instrumental playing puts them in. For example I would say that Robert Fripp and Brian Eno¹s No pussyfooting Around has more in common with the idea of a Live-Looping genre than with the art-rock genre they are placed within. This idea can be applied to the music of most Live-Looper¹s to similar effect. The Future The falling cost of Digital equipment has opened looping up to the masses. Live-Looping is now a common occurrence across a range of musical genres. Software Live-Looping has recently been available to the masses thanks to the increase in the processing power of computers. Live-Looping has become so integrated into musical technology that its use is now commonplace. The increasing power of digital processing has seen a rise in the complexity of looping devices and with software like Max/Msp also the user configurable nature of it. This has in turn led to an increasingly diverse output from Live-Looping with Live-Loopers now able to access a range of aesthetics from other musical genres. What we are currently seeing is a new generation of contemporary Live-Loopers applying the musical aesthetics and attitudes of their era to Live-Looping with very immediate and striking results. New technology is also influencing the direction of Live-Looping via to the communication revolution. Live-Looping as a musical movement is still too obscure to exist as a scene with a sense of location and social contact. However the communication revolution of the Internet has allowed for a vibrant virtual Live-Looping community to emerge. The centre or focus for this movement is Loopers-Delight.com, which is a resource run by Kim Flint the software programmer for the Echoplex. The interest group is characterised by the sheer diversity of its members, with not only the premier developers of looping hardware contributing to discussions but also many of the premier artists. This creation of a community environment is clearly having a large effect on the communication of the technique and hence the music of Live-Looping. With this framework for promotion in place it has become easy for an interested person to look into this previously obscure genre of experimental music. This environment of communication is having a strengthening effect on the genre as professional Live-Looping artists are now able to co-ordinate their efforts collectively to gain exposure for this little known form of experimental music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:21:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHKHF30832; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:20:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:20:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:20:35 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Dig if u will my research paper bibliography In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. As if I didn't have enough to read already :). Seriously, thanks for sending this out to the list, it'll be of use to me. regards, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHICZ30069; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 7 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHIBB30045 Resent-Message-ID: <7U3q0.A.sVH.Uxk0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chapter 7 Digital Playground The 1980s saw digital technology make huge inroads into the making and producing of music. The invention of the CD saw the first mass-market digital form for the dissemination of music unveiled at the Salzburg festival in 1980. The eighties also saw digital technology integrated into Live-Looping, Digital Delay Although digital delays circuits were available in the 1970s, consumer digital delays didn¹t become commercially viable until the 1980s, when the cost of the components used to make these units reached a commercially viable level. Looping became directly influenced by digital equipment when a series of digital delay units (often called sampling delay) could do the sort of looping associated with the Riley tape-delay set-up. Of these digital delays the Lexicon PCM42 was perhaps the most popular for serious looping. Originally designed by Gary Hall in 1981-82 Hall went on to customize these units into looping devices of great potential. The Lexicon in expanded form was capable of delay times that exceed 60secs, reverse playback, pitch bend and had a pulse output that could be synchronised to drum machines etc. The 1980s also saw the explosion of Digital sampling with the Emu Emulator released in 1981 and then the first affordable sampler from Ensoniq called The Mirage in 1985. It is interesting to note that the popularity of the sampler lead it to be called the instrument of the 1980s where as the Live-Looper (essentially a live sampler) never really took off. Lexicon made one further Live-Looping product the affordable Jamman released in 1993 which was soon dropped due to lack of sales. Lexicon has since refused to re-enter the Live-Looping market due to a perceived lack of demand. The significant advantage of digital units like the Lexicon PCM42 over analogue tape delay was the ability to vary the delay time over a large range of values. This was of great significance to Live-Loopers as previously the delay time had been essentially locked to the physical distance between the tape-delays record and playback head. Even with the variable speed functions of the recorders it was still hard to get a wide range of loop times from one physical set-up. Digital loop device¹s portability and the instant accessibility of the features via foot controllers allowed players to interact with their loops in a way that was previously impossible. Hall also created a clock output to allow the PCM42s looper to be synchronised to external drum machines and synthesizer arpeggiaters. This represented an incredible vision on Hall¹s part. Using a PCM42 a drum machine and a synthesizer Hall states, ³I had an amazing playing rig that could build big multi-track layers of precisely locked rhythm¹s and chordal parts which I would solo over.² This was before the invention of midi and was therefore breaking new conceptual ground within the field of music technology. Users of the PCM42 read like a who¹s who of looping and included David Torn, Andy summers, Matthias Grob and Pauline Oliveros. Oliveros said this of the PCM42, ³The PCM42 is a real performance instrument. It was possible to change delay time with foot pedals, which allowed the bending of delayed sounds. (Not easily accomplished with tape delay.) Other functions included mix control, feedback and capture could be accessed by pedals as well.² Oliveros would go on to transform the PCM42s into the Expanded Instrument System where multiple PCM42s were controlled via a digital interface (a Macintosh computer running MAX software). It was Oliveros¹s intention to go beyond the physical limitation of what could be achieved with a foot controller. The result of this can be heard in her piece called ŒThe Lightning Box¹ for four performers. The Paradis Loop Delay The next significant development in digital looping happened in 1991, with the release of Matthius Grob¹s Paradis Loop-Delay. Grob had this to say about his creation ³When building my machines my aim is to make them more musical than logical, giving you intuitive access so that your creativity may flow.² The Loop Delay¹s advanced synchronisation facilities allowed the user to sync up multiple units to each other, allowing multi-track looping in the digital domain. It also had several new functions such as insert, multiply and undo which greatly increased the options for live-composition. The Loop-Delay was eventually licensed by Gibson and became the Echoplex Digital Pro (E.D.P.) and is still some 12 years after its invention, the most sophisticated hardware Live-Looping device available (The user list of the Echoplex reads like a who¹s who of Live-Looping). The designers of the E.D.P. have also been responsible for many of the new aesthetic developments in Live-Looping. The innovative contemporary looping artist Andre Lafosse talks about Kim Flint (one of the Echoplex designers) as being the biggest influence on his music saying, Kim was talking about granular looping and modern dance/DJ culture as key influences on his E.D.P. concepts years before I finally got around to using those principles to find my own voice on the Echoplex. As far as I'm concerned, Kim's my biggest looping influence - because he challenged people to go beyond ambient Frippertronics, and because he laid the necessary technical foundation in the EDP for me to find my own personal path out of that paradigm. In a lot of ways, I still feel like I'm playing catch-up to the ideas Kim's had for ages. Therefore it can be seen that to a certain extent the direction and continued creative evolution of Live-Looping can be put down to the creative design work that has gone into the Echoplex Digital Pro. Summation So the advantages that digital technology brought were portability, easily independently variable delay times, multiply and undo functions and more recently real time time-stretching and pitch shifting. Digital technology has also brought mass-market affordability to the Live-Looping public with basic looping devices now retailing at little more than a hundreds pounds. Looping patches are also beginning to become a standard feature on guitar effects units demonstrating the rising popularity of this form of signal processing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:22:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHIAS30042; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:18:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 5 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHI9B30017 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chapter 5 Steve Reich ­ A Revolution in Repetition and Structure Although Steve Reich does not fit my definition of Live-Looper, his work has been so crucially influential upon the Live-Looping movement that I feel it would be wrong not to include discussion about his music and its relevance. Reich befriended Riley during 1964 through playing and organising concerts of In C at the San Francisco Tape Music Centre. Reich was clearly massively influenced by Riley¹s In C and also his tape based compositions, around this time ³Riley remembers showing his new friend two tape recorder pieces of mine, loops of mine that I was working with² . Although Reich has always stated the influence that In C had upon him, the similarities between Reich¹s breakthrough piece Its Gonna Rain and Riley¹s tape work should also be shown. Reich was present at the showings of Riley tape based text piece She Moves Me (1963) which was played alongside In C in Riley¹s early concerts. Riley also made several other text pieces for tape including I (1964), Its Me (1965), That¹s Not You (1965). These pieces were made of short text phrases that had been manipulated in various ways to create structure through the layering and movement the individual fragments of text. This is essentially what Reich accomplished with Its Gonna Rain (1965) with one subtle difference, Reich had discovered Phasing as a system to generate musical structure. To clarify this issue I asked Terry Riley the following question; during 1963-65 you created a number of pieces using text that were processed via tape manipulation, the ŒTime-lag-Accumulator¹. I am talking about She Moves Me, I, Its Me and That¹s Not You. Your work with small fragments of text and tape clearly had a massive influence on Steve Reich's early work such as Its Gonna Rain and Come Out. Did any of your text pieces you created use the technique of phasing or anything similar to generate any of the material? Riley replied, Steve himself, has acknowledged a debt to my early tape pieces and I think that being said, he subsequently went on to a very unique and personal development quite independent of my work. I think phasing of course occurred in my works that were composed before his. What I did that was important to him I think was to run two or more identical loops simultaneously. He systematized this to a degree that made it his own. So although the content of Reich¹s early pieces were essentially the same as Riley¹s, the way in which they were created was different. Reich under the influence of Riley¹s In C and tape experiments strove to find a new way of working with repetition as a musical technique. Through watching Riley¹s creative process Reich discovered the phasing system of creating very long structures of music evolving out of very small fixed phrases. Reich would go on to develop this technique for live performance in what I believe to be his finest work Piano Phase. Steve Reich pieces such as Come Out, Its Gonna Rain, and Piano Phase were revolutionary in their structure. They contained two static looped elements and through the process of phasing the perception of those elements disappeared. The phasing process causes the listener to hear only the changes in the interference patterns losing the sense of the original musical phrase. This process or Œsystem music¹ as Brain Eno would go on to call it was unique because once it was set in motion it would go on to create beautiful music that requires no further intervention. It was a fascinating concept that such a simple system could produce a wide variety results. This would go on to inspire and influence many other musicians interested in looping including Brian Eno. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:23:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHLtq31456; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:21:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:21:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:21:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8B245470-8F9E-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <03RmhB.A.WrH.y0k0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good question! I forget not all of us have a guitar equipped with a Sustainiac system. I'll use a volume pedal (I should have put that in my diagram after guitar) to swell the vibrating string or chord while I screw with the KAOSS pad with my right hand. It might make more sense if others put it after the looper so they can stop playing and just fool around with the loop. I like to do that too, and sometimes I'll put my AirFX after the EchoPro so I can do that as well. I also love some of the KAOSS Pad II's synth patches, and often I'll just play them and not even play guitar for bits. For quick set up, I velcro both the KAOSS pad and AirFX to the top of the EchoPro and connect them before the gig. This way, I just run lines to and from the amp, plug the guitar into the volume pedal and that into the amp, and I'm done. I put it all on a keyboard stand next to my amp, which is usually on a chair or something. Works great. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 10:00 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 5/25/03 1:35 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> Guitar> Johnson amp>KAOSS Pad>EchoPro>back to the Johnson amp. Setup >> time: 5-10 minutes. > > What do you do to make the KAOSS Pad reasonably accessible while > playing > guitar? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:26:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHObN32192; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:24:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:24:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:24:35 -0700 Subject: Re: why Kim why? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's funny. It is all things to no people! On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 10:12 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 5/26/03 10:05 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> (The term "ambient" has been so degraded >> that it seems to now mean any form of instrumental music for which >> there isn't a well defined genera. In a way I kind of like this term >> because of that.) > > According to CDDB, Ambient isn't a genre. ;-) > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:26:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHPkZ32273; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:25:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:25:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:25:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper bibliography Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <15A3F73E-8F9F-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woah. This should get posted to the LD site at once! Thanks for the work! Mark Sottilaro On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Geoff Smith wrote: > Bibliography > Books > Brindle, Reginald Smith The New Music (Oxford: Oxford University > Press, > 1987) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 13:55:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QHs1E02562; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:54:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:54:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <84.11aaab0d.2c03aea4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:53:40 EDT Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QHs0B02538 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 5/26/03 7:48:20 AM, CinoPolnesi@att.net quotes Kim Flint's earlier message: >>At a Trumpeting Festival you expect to find all >>of the performers playing trumpet. Granted . . . or at least the main, featured players. This is pretty logical. If not it would be rather damn poor marketing -- wouldn't it? >>The main people interested in attending are other >>people who play trumpet, and so most of the >>audience also consists of trumpeters. Not necessarily. I would imagine that not many of the members of an opera audience actually sing opera. I would also imagine that not all of the folks who are passionate "guitar music fanatics" even own one themselves -- perhaps they might be failed "wannabes" or something, but not necessarily. However, I know many, many people who avidly follow a style, or pursue a keen interest in a music created on one particular instrument or another, simply because that music "speaks" to them on some level beyond that of other musics. And, most of them are not even musicians themselves. Kim may be ultimately be right in his assertions about our narrower labeling of "loop music" limiting the technique's eventual appeal to the broadest possible audience and/or user base. But the folks with whom it has caught on so far have tended to be the incorrigible experimenters, tinkerers and creatively outside-the-box thinkers (whether they play buzuki, bass, bluegrass, blues . . . or whatever). I would think that THAT aspect of who the average LD list member is would be pretty apparent by now. And this somewhat off-center, non-mainstream attitude cannot help but color all of our discourse, actions and music to a some degree. We are pretty much all outside the "norm" (to some extent) even as yet, no matter what we label ourselves or our music. I have to imagine that Kim and Matthias, as a musicians turned visionary businessmen, would like to see their "vision" filter further and further out there into that vast region which we call "the mainstream" -- thereby transforming it from the great humongous wasteland (as it seems to me) into something else more positive and even beautiful. And, as it happens, also turning it into something much more profitable for makers of looping hardware/software such as themselves. There's nothing wrong with that. If we know what's good for us, we ought to encourage, applaud, hoot and holler about it. But, at the same time, we are who we are. Our community is not the "norm" in microcosm. It is still fairly alien to it in many subtle ways. Eventually we will "infect" the whole beast. But it hasn't happened yet. And I don't expect that many of us are willing (if even capable) to pose as mainstream "pop idols" just to make the epidemic spread a little faster. Our interests lie elsewhere for now (I think, for many of us . . . for myself). Heheh. Having just turned 50 recently, I (for one) am too old, plain, flabby, and self-admittedly untalented to even consider it. But I can still understand Kim's goal . . . even if I can't help him much with reaching it. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 14:08:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QI7GT04830; Mon, 26 May 2003 14:07:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:07:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:49:31 +0200 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper bibliography Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <675A0E69-8FA2-11D7-9C6B-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm blown away :) I'm going to have to print this out and digest. Thank you! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 14:27:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QIPX206527; Mon, 26 May 2003 14:25:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:25:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:25:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent job. I think you covered the Tape Center situation well, though there are some details such as Terry's earliest tape loop and sound-on-sound work in Mescalin Mix (1960) that should be mentioned. Also, Pauline was exposed to Hugh LeCaine's looping instrument in Toronto in the mid-60s. LeCaine had invented a series of such instruments, the first dating from 1955. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 14:27:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QIQ3T06587; Mon, 26 May 2003 14:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030525200544.93247.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030525200544.93247.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:26:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-VQrJB.A.ymB.7wl0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did not have time to read through all the recent posts, but since I may have thought more about this than anyone, I just type my actual state of opinion about it anyway: The last big discussion in October 02, LD convinced me to give up to really define those things. There are many words that are understood by their spirit rather by a definition, and thats just fine. Genders are like styles, but not quite. A Loop tool is somehow like an instrument, but not quite. We have to face the fact that looping music started to exist when people started to use the expression, many years ago on this list and probably many more years before elsewhere. Rick established the Live Looping expression and it has been in the press and its on my new CD, so it does exist, there is no point in fighting against it. I see Rick as a natural leader in this movement, and since he never told me what I should do, but only offers help to everyone, I can easily follow him :-) But you are free to decide whether you want to participate and to call your music the way you want. Maybe the listener will end up calling it differently anyway, but with time, there will be some consent. We are also free to care for the names we choose and fill them with meaning, with music, with associated text and maybe by trying to find some definition. There is no way we can exclude someone, but maybe some will not feel part of it - no problem, they can be part of something else or all on their own, whatever. Forget about the paranoya to be put into some drawer! A style is not limiting in any way, its just a way to explain a tendance in some music. No one is going to accuse you of crossing boarders, much less in this globalizing times, where most music is a mixture of many influences. I see most of the points against calling Live Looping a style or a category, but what else would you call it, once it came to exist? I agree that most styles are defined by a rhythm, where as Live Looping music (LL) has no specific rhythm. But is it a suficient definition? Look at the many kinds of Reggae, for example, and thats one of the most simple to define styles. Is New Age a style or a category? There is no rhythm to it. Its easier to define it by the covers have a picture of nature in a white frame :-) Or better define it by the belief behind it. Anyway, it became abused and washed out, maybe because there was no suficiant definition? Is Chamber music a style or a category? It gives a fairly good idea of what sound you get, but it can still range from Barock to Avantgarde. >Guitar Music? Wouldn't that be anything with a guitar in it :) no, its understood as music which is based on guitar, probably composed on the guitar, so it has the characteristics of the instrument and you mainly hear guitar. Similarly, not everyone that uses a looping tool plays Live Looping music. It can aid any category of music. Or maybe some new category can arise from the use of looping tools for which we may still find names... (I believe Andre is on such a track) But most musicians that build the music live on looping tools share some boundaries. The so far existing looping technologies imply some musical form and help some ways to express more than others. For example: no Live Looping piece starts full blast, since we have to build it up. It hardly changes tonality wildly or contains complex breaks... Some smart users will transcend those boundaries with tricks and studio editing, but a general tendency which the public can recognize helps them to find a name for what they like and look for. I see your point, Kim, you want to welcome everyone and not split the LD comuntiy into categories. A nice wish, but probably unrealistic on a long run. But I dont see a problem: Nobody ever claimed that looping music is a name for anyone using a loop tool, nor should we be afraid that musicians turn away from the tool, thinking that it only serves for certain styles. The richness of what has been shown to the public so far grants for that. (What we do here in Sweden is not ambient at all :-). Creative minds will always hear their way of using a tool and not care whether its within some boundaries or not. The wave that may arise from a common effort to make the spirit of Live Looping Music known to public will bring the knowledge and basic possibilities with those tools also to musicians that dont want to play Live Looping music. We also observe that sometimes a musician buys a looping tool in order to create some music he has in mind, or simply to economize another player in the band, but once he goes into playing, he feels the magic and breaks his boundaries of what he thought to be necessary for good music. Thats what I call: "the spirit has reached him..." :-) I really hope not to cause another wave of disagreement with this... Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 14:37:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QIaQZ07495; Mon, 26 May 2003 14:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:36:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:36:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:25 AM -0700 5/26/03, Richard Zvonar wrote: >Terry's earliest tape loop and sound-on-sound work in Mescalin Mix >(1960) that should be mentioned. Sorry - I see that you did cover that! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:00:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QIxEM10230; Mon, 26 May 2003 14:59:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:59:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <293580-2200351261907440@M2W045.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 63.186.17.132 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "altruist@earthlink.net" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bittersweet thanks Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:00:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2003 19:02:20.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[555E6F40:01C323B9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4QIxDB10201 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear people, It's oddly ironic and touching for me that Geoff Smith would publish his paper to the list today. And since the last email I sent to this list expressed no small amount of frustration on my part, I think it's appropriate that I give some positive perspective as well. Rick Walker and I are sometimes notorious for being on different pages philosophically, but right now I'm afraid he and I (and Bill) can relate to one another all too well. This past Saturday, May 24, my father Leopold LaFosse, aged 75, passed away from Cancer. I came into Iowa City (where he's lived for 31-odd years, and where I was born almost 29 years ago myself) on Friday, after having gotten a call from his hospital. About an hour before he passed, I spoke to him privately. He wasn't responsive, but he could still hear what was being said to him, so I wanted to talk to him honestly and openly while I still could. My father had taught violin at the University of Iowa for over 30 years, and had always encouraged me to look into the academic world as a way of generating possibilities for musical connections and livelihood. So one of the things I told him during our last talk was that, even as we were speaking, there was a discussion happening on a mailing list where people were commenting on my music and the number of listeners it had generated. And I told him that a fellow in the UK had asked me a series of questions for his academic thesis, and that he was making comparison references to people like Steve Reich and Terry Riley. My father didn't always relate to or understand my music (indeed, he was not very amused initially when I told him I was quitting cello after five years so I could focus exclusively on electric guitar, though he later came around and was incredibly supportive and encouraging towards me). So it was extremely gratifying to me to be able to tell him that I was generating some attention in the academic world, to reference some names he was somewhat familiar with, and that I was apparently having some sort of impact on people, even if it wasn't necessarily reflected in my livelihood to the extent that he and I would have liked. I guess it was my way of telling him that my work really was connecting with people. So thanks to the people who have listened to what I do, and thanks to Geoff for his interest and consideration. As you can probably tell, it means more than I can really express right now. And I'm sure Leopold appreciated it as well. If I have to spend some time working telephones as a result, I'm all too happy to have been able to do so. Very best wishes, --Andre LaFosse ----------------------- ----------------------- ----------------------- ----------------------- ----------------------- ----------------------- ----------------------- ----------------------- ----------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:02:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QJ1Lu10445; Mon, 26 May 2003 15:01:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:01:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030526190119.45998.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:01:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-9pz6.A.EjC.ASm0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Geoff Smith wrote: > Kim suggested I post the paper in 10-15k chunks so > here goes chapter by > chapter. Please note the general layout paragraphs, > footnotes etc. doesn't > translate from word into email. > Cheers Geoff. > Too late now but I think you could have cut and paste the text from word into notepad and then cut and paste into your e-mail client for better formatting. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:10:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QJ9uN12130; Mon, 26 May 2003 15:09:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:09:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:09:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030526190119.45998.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it possible to export this from MS Word into a pdf? This way we could post it somewhere in a format that is easily downloaded and read by all. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Squid Loop wrote: > > --- Geoff Smith wrote: >> Kim suggested I post the paper in 10-15k chunks so >> here goes chapter by >> chapter. Please note the general layout paragraphs, >> footnotes etc. doesn't >> translate from word into email. >> Cheers Geoff. >> > > Too late now but I think you could have cut and paste > the text from word into notepad and then cut and paste > into your e-mail client for better formatting. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:14:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QJD2w12549; Mon, 26 May 2003 15:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:13:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030526191301.52902.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can do this if Geoff sends me the original word documents. --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Is it possible to export this from MS Word into a > pdf? This way we > could post it somewhere in a format that is easily > downloaded and read > by all. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Squid Loop > wrote: > > > > > --- Geoff Smith > wrote: > >> Kim suggested I post the paper in 10-15k chunks > so > >> here goes chapter by > >> chapter. Please note the general layout > paragraphs, > >> footnotes etc. doesn't > >> translate from word into email. > >> Cheers Geoff. > >> > > > > Too late now but I think you could have cut and > paste > > the text from word into notepad and then cut and > paste > > into your e-mail client for better formatting. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:18:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QJHev12946; Mon, 26 May 2003 15:17:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:17:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:21:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030526191301.52902.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will send u the original word documents now! cheers Geoff on 26/5/03 8:13 pm, Squid Loop at tentacle_joe@yahoo.com wrote: > I can do this if Geoff sends me the original word > documents. > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Is it possible to export this from MS Word into a >> pdf? This way we >> could post it somewhere in a format that is easily >> downloaded and read >> by all. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Squid Loop >> wrote: >> >>> >>> --- Geoff Smith >> wrote: >>>> Kim suggested I post the paper in 10-15k chunks >> so >>>> here goes chapter by >>>> chapter. Please note the general layout >> paragraphs, >>>> footnotes etc. doesn't >>>> translate from word into email. >>>> Cheers Geoff. >>>> >>> >>> Too late now but I think you could have cut and >> paste >>> the text from word into notepad and then cut and >> paste >>> into your e-mail client for better formatting. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >>> http://search.yahoo.com >>> >> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:23:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QJMON13478; Mon, 26 May 2003 15:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c323bc$1ef4f660$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:22:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1a7S4D.A.bSD.wlm0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please send the MS Word docs to me as well, and I will upload them into the Looper's Deloght File Library for you myself. Impressive work! I can't wait to read through it all. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Smith" To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 > I will send u the original word documents now! > cheers > Geoff > > on 26/5/03 8:13 pm, Squid Loop at tentacle_joe@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I can do this if Geoff sends me the original word > > documents. > > > > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Is it possible to export this from MS Word into a > >> pdf? This way we > >> could post it somewhere in a format that is easily > >> downloaded and read > >> by all. > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro > >> > >> On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Squid Loop > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> --- Geoff Smith > >> wrote: > >>>> Kim suggested I post the paper in 10-15k chunks > >> so > >>>> here goes chapter by > >>>> chapter. Please note the general layout > >> paragraphs, > >>>> footnotes etc. doesn't > >>>> translate from word into email. > >>>> Cheers Geoff. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Too late now but I think you could have cut and > >> paste > >>> the text from word into notepad and then cut and > >> paste > >>> into your e-mail client for better formatting. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >>> http://search.yahoo.com > >>> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:24:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QJJhg13170; Mon, 26 May 2003 15:19:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:19:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 26 May 2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Is it possible to export this from MS Word into a pdf? This way we > could post it somewhere in a format that is easily downloaded and read > by all. I could do an HTML conversion if it'd be wanted for the site. Just send me the files. Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:25:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QJNr013758; Mon, 26 May 2003 15:23:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:23:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c323bc$548482a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:23:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Squid, Please also upload the PDFs to the file library, or email them to me privately, and I'll upload them. PDF will fill the gap to non-MS users quite well, and should be included in the library. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Smith" To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 > I will send u the original word documents now! > cheers > Geoff > > on 26/5/03 8:13 pm, Squid Loop at tentacle_joe@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I can do this if Geoff sends me the original word > > documents. > > > > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Is it possible to export this from MS Word into a > >> pdf? This way we > >> could post it somewhere in a format that is easily > >> downloaded and read > >> by all. > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro > >> > >> On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Squid Loop > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> --- Geoff Smith > >> wrote: > >>>> Kim suggested I post the paper in 10-15k chunks > >> so > >>>> here goes chapter by > >>>> chapter. Please note the general layout > >> paragraphs, > >>>> footnotes etc. doesn't > >>>> translate from word into email. > >>>> Cheers Geoff. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Too late now but I think you could have cut and > >> paste > >>> the text from word into notepad and then cut and > >> paste > >>> into your e-mail client for better formatting. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >>> http://search.yahoo.com > >>> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:53:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QJpY716957; Mon, 26 May 2003 15:51:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:51:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ED20087.2BB4@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:54:48 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: My Mom References: <200305221926.h4MJQKl24757@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030525101126.00b298a0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> <002301c322fb$e528d520$bb2d2a97@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick and Bill,My heart goes out to you both,may this sadness one day give rise to depth and gratitude. Love, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:57:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QJtDw17306; Mon, 26 May 2003 15:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ED20163.260D@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:58:28 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig References: <7BD35B89-8EF0-11D7-9EA6-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6k1rs.A.ROE.gEn0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Raven Labs APD-1 with Echoplex in the effects loop>Eventide Eclipse 2-1/2 spaces-setn up time less then 5 minutes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 16:19:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QKHgV20662; Mon, 26 May 2003 16:17:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:17:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030526201740.53626.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: my research paper PDF To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002701c323bc$548482a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug, I e-mailed you regarding the files. I seem to be having problems with the LD File upload so if anybody wants Geoff's research paper in PDF you can e-mail me off list. --- Doug Cox wrote: > Squid, > > Please also upload the PDFs to the file library, or > email them to me > privately, and I'll upload them. PDF will fill the > gap to non-MS users > quite well, and should be included in the library. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Smith" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper > Chapter1 > > > > I will send u the original word documents now! > > cheers > > Geoff > > > > on 26/5/03 8:13 pm, Squid Loop at > tentacle_joe@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > I can do this if Geoff sends me the original > word > > > documents. > > > > > > > > > --- Mark Sottilaro > wrote: > > >> Is it possible to export this from MS Word into > a > > >> pdf? This way we > > >> could post it somewhere in a format that is > easily > > >> downloaded and read > > >> by all. > > >> > > >> Mark Sottilaro > > >> > > >> On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Squid > Loop > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> --- Geoff Smith > > > >> wrote: > > >>>> Kim suggested I post the paper in 10-15k > chunks > > >> so > > >>>> here goes chapter by > > >>>> chapter. Please note the general layout > > >> paragraphs, > > >>>> footnotes etc. doesn't > > >>>> translate from word into email. > > >>>> Cheers Geoff. > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> Too late now but I think you could have cut > and > > >> paste > > >>> the text from word into notepad and then cut > and > > >> paste > > >>> into your e-mail client for better formatting. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> __________________________________ > > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > > >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > >>> http://search.yahoo.com > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 17:48:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QLkb728480; Mon, 26 May 2003 17:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:46:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c323d0$43ff9960$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20030526201740.53626.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: my research paper PDF Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:46:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Geoff Smith's research paper is now available on the Looper's Delight website, in the File Library. It is located under the "Tools and Utilities" folder there. (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/) A note on using the File Library for LD list members: I notice that there's a little glitch when logging in to the library, which you must do if you want to upload files. After you log in, you are presented with a blank page. Just press the Back button on your browser, and you'll see that you're logged on, but not being sent back to this page correctly. I'll try to fix it when I have a bit more time. In the meantime, the trick mentioned above works just fine. And... just a friendly reminder that it exists. The upload speed is a bit slow (but the download speed is fine), and there is a 2MB file limit, but other than that - it's a great place to put things like this. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Squid Loop" To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: Re: my research paper PDF > Doug, > > I e-mailed you regarding the files. I seem to be > having problems with the LD File upload so if anybody > wants Geoff's research paper in PDF you can e-mail me > off list. > > > --- Doug Cox wrote: > > Squid, > > > > Please also upload the PDFs to the file library, or > > email them to me > > privately, and I'll upload them. PDF will fill the > > gap to non-MS users > > quite well, and should be included in the library. > > > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Geoff Smith" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:21 PM > > Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper > > Chapter1 > > > > > > > I will send u the original word documents now! > > > cheers > > > Geoff > > > > > > on 26/5/03 8:13 pm, Squid Loop at > > tentacle_joe@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > I can do this if Geoff sends me the original > > word > > > > documents. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Mark Sottilaro > > wrote: > > > >> Is it possible to export this from MS Word into > > a > > > >> pdf? This way we > > > >> could post it somewhere in a format that is > > easily > > > >> downloaded and read > > > >> by all. > > > >> > > > >> Mark Sottilaro > > > >> > > > >> On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Squid > > Loop > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> --- Geoff Smith > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>>> Kim suggested I post the paper in 10-15k > > chunks > > > >> so > > > >>>> here goes chapter by > > > >>>> chapter. Please note the general layout > > > >> paragraphs, > > > >>>> footnotes etc. doesn't > > > >>>> translate from word into email. > > > >>>> Cheers Geoff. > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Too late now but I think you could have cut > > and > > > >> paste > > > >>> the text from word into notepad and then cut > > and > > > >> paste > > > >>> into your e-mail client for better formatting. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> __________________________________ > > > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > > > >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > >>> http://search.yahoo.com > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 19:04:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4QN1Ws04539; Mon, 26 May 2003 19:01:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:01:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace R. Meyer" To: Subject: RE: I don't want to bee a member of Loopers-Delight Mailinglist!!!!!!! Take me away!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:01:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c323da$b4003120$5fc956d1@DellaReese> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030525003702.014f6668@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The flip side of They're Coming to Take Me Away was the same track in reverse!!! Gary PS Condolences to all who have recently suffered loss of family. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 23:18:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4R3I8f30860; Mon, 26 May 2003 23:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:18:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 05:18:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, here we have a beautiful colection of definition points! >- The most common use of Live-Looping is where a player records a >phrase that is then fed back to them, this process is then repeated >to create a layering effect. >- The feedback loop gives the player the opportunity to learn and >capitalise upon the subtle nuances of their expression. >- One person's personality is being layered as opposed to many >personalities being combined. >- The relationship between the looping device and the musician also >allows for a large amount of improvisation. The player is >unrestricted from having to communicate their intentions to other >ensemble members. >- Live-Looping provides the user with the opportunity to take chaos >and achieve order from it. When a series of random events are >selected and then repeated they cease to be random events because >they then can be learnt and order can be perceived. t >- Meaning is created from repetition. In this way Looping can also >be said to display detail or magnify a situation. some more strong statements: >Once the medium of Live-Looping ceases to have an identity i.e. >ceases to be recognisable as a process then in a sense the >uniqueness of it as a compositional aid ceases and it becomes a >device that can be used to emulate other forms of composition. > >With the popularity of DJ culture having peaked we may see a resurgence in >the importance of live generated material as opposed to pre recorded live >manipulated material. We are seeing an increasing convergence between >electronic music and that which is made by conventional instruments. > >Live-Loopers to access the sound worlds of dance music and popular song >structure with an ease that simply wasn't possible with tape. It is perhaps >most significant when these new capabilities are used to take the essence of >a music genre (e.g. Lafosse's innovative take on turntablism) rather than >the simple emulation of the sound world of other genres via different means. > >Live-Looping is also creating a new emerging form of interaction between >musicians. Live-Loopers are beginning to synchronise their devices together >so that they can improvise together into a looped form that maintains a >consistent timing relationship. This creates a new kind of interaction. > The most amazing one, just in this moment: >I believe that there is a strong case for Live-Looping to exist as a >musical genre and for history to relate its unfolding story. On >listening to a large range of music produced by the process of >Live-Looping I have found that pieces from contrasting musical >genres have remarkably similar qualities. >I think it is fair to say that in some respects these works seem to be more >related to each other than the music of the genre each artist has been >positioned in. Thank you, Geoff! I like your subjective judgement from "overall listening experience". After we tried so hard to find logical solutions, it seems so obvious, since its music... Then again, some may say that you came to this conclusion for being involved or even to enter history as academic "discoverer" of the genre... Anyway, your text certainly eases our unsecurity and increases the value of our all work! by the way: is there a definition for the diference between genre - style - category? did you find where the name Live-Looping comes up first? >This is a genre characterised by paradoxes, a performer plays their >instrument live but their relationship to the dissemination of their >instrument is different to that of the conventional player. By recording >themselves, they are in a sense involving both themselves and the audience >in the processes of both the studio and the live environment. An >instrumentalist is effectively recording their performance and disseminating >this recorded performance, as it happens. A live performance is typically >characterised by the fact that musical events are created and then lost. >This is paradoxically the opposite of the situation in Live-Looping, where >the moment is captured and replayed as part of the performance. Sorry, I dont see paradox and opposite here. Isnt the "studio" part simply an addition? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 23:26:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4R3PmT31671; Mon, 26 May 2003 23:25:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:25:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014e01c323ff$6a2ef200$d662f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305262019.h4QKJpN20891@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: update: LOOP.POOL SUMMER TOUR 2003 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:23:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wanted let everyone know about the status of my European/British Isles tour. For anyone interested, I was forced to prematurely end my tour of Sweden with Per and Matthias due to returning home to the California after learning my mother had passed away suddenly. Chris and I have been grieving and processing these events with my brother and sister and their spouses. We have a lot of work to do to take care of my mother's estate (a very modest one at that) and to take care of all of the arrangements surrounding her death (clearing out her house, arranging for all of the legal things that occur when someone dies in this culture). Hopefully we will have some kind of informal memorial service for her next week. She hated the ritual of death in the U.S. and wanted us to not stress or make too much of a fuss about this. My mother was explicitly clear with me on the phone the day before she died: She told me that she really wanted me to follow my dreams and continue my tour no matter what happened. She told me she loved me and all of her children. In her spirit, Chris and I will attempt to return to Europe and will try to pick up the tour in Belfast, Northern Ireland with my performances with Paul Marshall, the great percussionist and found sound artist. I have unfortunately, been forced to cancel my remaing dates in Sweden (which broke my heart because I was having such a wonderful time with both Per and Matthias) and the dates in Dingle, Ireland. I have good friends who are both expat American musicians who live in Dingle and have been assured that there will be another time when I can return to play with them. I also wrote a couple of lengthy entries to my tour diary but the craziness and huge amount of travel that we have been forced to make in the past two weeks have not left my wife anytime to post them yet. We'll try to get that up in a few days. Matthias also has two MP3s of improvs we did in Sweden: one with he, Per and I and one with just he and Per (after we had left for the states). I think there is a good chance he may post them very soon. I was so loving playing with Per and Matthias. They are both really interesting and idiosyncratic musicians and we were all coming from really disparate stylistic places and yet we were really moving towards an interesting group aesthetic. We all felt that we had just scratched the surface of what is possible with this trio and were all looking forward to the next series of gigs when cruel fate interrupted us. I feel strongly convinced that I want to return to Sweden as soon as I can to pick up where we left off but it will, unfortunately, not be this summer. This makes me so sad but we have to take what life gives us and move on with grace and strength. I want to send out my heartfelt thanks to Per who, in his first self booked tour did an incredibly professional job of getting us gigs and exposure. I'm so damned impressed with him (not only his beautiful artistry, but just how together he is as a promoter, booker and human being). He is also funny, intelligent, wise and a great person to tour with. Thanks brother!!! I also want to send out my heartfelt thanks to Matthias who's strong spiritual approach to his music has been a real inspiration to me. He sat up with me all night the night when my mom died and was incredibly nurturing to me emotionally during my darkest hour. Thanks to you to my brother!!! Lastly I want to thank all of the generous loopers who sent Bill and I e-mails of condolences. Many people (including a lot of off list e-mails) had really wonderful stories of their encounters with my mom..................mostly at LIVE LOOPING gigs (if I"m still allowed to use that term with impunity here on loopers delight......). They have enabled me to see my mother in a light that makes me appreciate her gift even more. LOOP ON MOM...................I'll be with you someday! Yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 00:27:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4R4RIC05517; Tue, 27 May 2003 00:27:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 00:27:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 00:30:30 -0400 From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com Subject: (new) Mellotron Question To: "analogue@hyperreal.org" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-id: <3ED2E9E6.A985288A@helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I friend of mine is thinking about buying one of the new Mellotron Mark VI units. More info on these from the order page at: http://www.mellotron.com/mkvi.htm However, he has heard rumors of some significant issues with the GERMAN made units and is looking for first hand confirmation from people who have either purchased or used one. Does anyone have first hand info about these German made units? Are they as good and the "original" US made mark VI units from a few years ago? Did they in fact have some problems with the German made mellotrons? Have problems been rectified? I figured if anyone would know it would be someone from these lists :) Any/all help would be appreciated. Thanks! 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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C323DA.C8FBE560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 03:03:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4R73HO20042; Tue, 27 May 2003 03:03:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:03:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030526233224.0319cad0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 00:04:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:21 AM 5/26/2003, Geoff Smith wrote: >Chapter 2 >The Pre-History Of Live-Looping and The Figures That Would Inspire Its >Creation. >Musique Concrete ­ The Beginnings of Tape based music. etc etc >Cage you mention musique concrete and then go on to discuss Cage, but what about Karlheinz Stockhausen? He is certainly a big influence on electronic music in general, and it seems to me more relevant to looping than Cage. Stockhausen was also a big influence on very loop oriented groups like Can, Tangerine Dream, and Kraftwerk, as well as Eno a bit later. I think Can actually used looping with tapes, while Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk used analog arpeggiators and sequencers to get similar effects. I think all of those went on to have a far bigger influence on loop based music today than any of the more academic composers of the sf tape center. That krautrock scene, and I think especially Kraftwerk, was a key foundation for loop based music like techno, hip hop, new wave rock, etc. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 03:18:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4R7Gpp20797; Tue, 27 May 2003 03:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <64.3064bff1.2c046acd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:16:29 EDT Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is it possible to export this from MS Word into a pdf? This way we > could post it somewhere in a format that is easily downloaded and read > by all. Geoff, if you mail me the .doc I'll turn it into a .pdf (acrobat reader file) and put it on the livelooping.com site. (as long as no-one else @ livelooping.com objects) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 04:43:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4R8PUg26856; Tue, 27 May 2003 04:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 04:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527002245.034fd008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 01:26:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:18 PM 5/26/2003, Matthias Grob wrote: >Wow, here we have a beautiful colection of definition points! > >>- The most common use of Live-Looping is where a player records a phrase >>that is then fed back to them, this process is then repeated to create a >>layering effect. >>- The feedback loop gives the player the opportunity to learn and >>capitalise upon the subtle nuances of their expression. >>- One person's personality is being layered as opposed to many >>personalities being combined. >>- The relationship between the looping device and the musician also >>allows for a large amount of improvisation. The player is unrestricted >>from having to communicate their intentions to other ensemble members. >>- Live-Looping provides the user with the opportunity to take chaos and >>achieve order from it. When a series of random events are >>selected and then repeated they cease to be random events because they >>then can be learnt and order can be perceived. t >>- Meaning is created from repetition. In this way Looping can also be >>said to display detail or magnify a situation. these are all statements defining the process and techniques employed by the musician on the creation side. None of them explain for a listener what the result sounds like. That's what you need to do if you are describing a genre of music, you need to explain the characteristics of the result from the listener's perspective. Reading this from a listener standpoint, I have no understanding at all of what I might expect to hear when listening to this "genre" of live looping. On the other hand, I have plenty of understanding from this of what I might experience as the musician employing these techniques and devices. If Looping is a genre, then what specific characteristics will the listener expect to hear in the result? >The most amazing one, just in this moment: >> >>I believe that there is a strong case for Live-Looping to exist as a >>musical genre and for history to relate its unfolding story. On listening >>to a large range of music produced by the process of Live-Looping I have >>found that pieces from contrasting musical genres have remarkably similar >>qualities. >>I think it is fair to say that in some respects these works seem to be more >>related to each other than the music of the genre each artist has been >>positioned in. I have difficulty understanding that also. I have been in this looping stuff for 10 years now. In the process of developing the Echoplex and running Looper's Delight, I have received countless cd's and tapes from loopers all over the world. I've downloaded hundreds (or maybe thousands) of mp3 files that loopers have posted or told me to check out. I've been to numerous performances and looping festivals. I've bought albums by famous loopers. Yet, when somebody hands me their cd and tells me they are a looper and they want me to hear their looping music, I still have absolutely no idea what it will sound like! The stylistic results people come up with when using looping are all over the map. So when you try to claim Live Looping as a genre, I'm still lost as to what you are talking about. I really don't see how regular music listeners can understand it either. Certainly you can explain to them about the looping techniques and devices the musicians are using, and maybe they will find that a bit interesting in an educational way. But that isn't describing the music, and ultimately people go to listen to music not the musician's technique. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 05:11:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4R8r1L28303; Tue, 27 May 2003 04:53:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 04:53:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:55:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030526233224.0319cad0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <5QF1v.A.p5G.jdy0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com first off, i'd like to say that's a pretty cool paper. On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 02:04 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > Stockhausen was also a big influence on very loop oriented groups like > Can, Tangerine Dream, and Kraftwerk, as well as Eno a bit later. I > think Can actually used looping with tapes, while Tangerine Dream and > Kraftwerk used analog arpeggiators and sequencers to get similar > effects. I think all of those went on to have a far bigger influence > on loop based music today than any of the more academic composers of > the sf tape center. That krautrock scene, and I think especially > Kraftwerk, was a key foundation for loop based music like techno, hip > hop, new wave rock, etc. I feel compelled to point out that i'm not sure about the others you mentioned, but Klaus Schulze was definitely doing the "time lag accumulator" looping thing with tape machines. there's actually a picture here: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/8402.htm it's behind him, in a road case constructed for the task. and even though Tangerine Dream namechecks old Karlheinz, Klaus went ballistic on this journalist when he asked him if Cage, Riley, and Stockhausen were influences: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/interv/in9704.htm fun stuff ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 05:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4R9YM932004; Tue, 27 May 2003 05:34:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 05:34:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d001c32433$1ac66ed0$02edfea9@becomenieswqf3> From: "bcomens" To: References: Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:34:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2K5WNB.A.2zH.UEz0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > U wrote > "by the way: is there a definition for the diference between > > genre - style - category?" > > I looked up genre in the dictionary and in means simply" a style or category > of art or literature" > so they are to my mind the same! Dictionaries are quick and rough guides to usage, not repositories of truth. I'll bet those three terms aren't at all the same in your own usage, though they sometimes overlap. Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 05:35:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4R9Hs631190; Tue, 27 May 2003 05:17:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 05:17:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:21:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_xhtG.A.BnH.m0y0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com U wrote "by the way: is there a definition for the diference between > genre - style - category?" I looked up genre in the dictionary and in means simply" a style or category of art or literature" so they are to my mind the same! "Then again, some may say that you came to this conclusion for being > involved or even to enter history as academic "discoverer" of the > genre..." Ha Ha Ha!!! Its almost killed me to write this! The idea that I have done this from an academic slant for self promotion is amusing to me. Truth is I managed to think of something that I would find incredibly interesting to write about, and then got so into it that this is what came out. This is 5-6months hard work, done purely because I found this genre and this discussion forum so interesting. So people can say what they like! Plus people like Dr Richard Zvonar have already done so much, I have so much respect for him. > >" did you find where the name Live-Looping comes up first?" Only that it was yourself and Rick Walker that used it in the first two emails I received when I started researching this 5-6months ago. It made so much sense to me that I have used it ever since. Further to that i think its a brilliant title for the genre. Ohhh and the other reason i have done this is because I have learnt so much about Live-Looping as a form of music that it has given me hundreds of ideas i wish to explore in my own music. So I am off to the studio to record my music and in two months I will have my own internet site and yes it will contain alot about live-looping but in the most tarted up arty form I can think of. It will be nice to represent my musical side to the group next. Ohh yeah and I have a pair of EDP's which have been calling me for too long!!!!!! Cheers Geoff > on 27/5/03 4:18 am, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > Wow, here we have a beautiful colection of definition points! > >> - The most common use of Live-Looping is where a player records a >> phrase that is then fed back to them, this process is then repeated >> to create a layering effect. >> - The feedback loop gives the player the opportunity to learn and >> capitalise upon the subtle nuances of their expression. >> - One person's personality is being layered as opposed to many >> personalities being combined. >> - The relationship between the looping device and the musician also >> allows for a large amount of improvisation. The player is >> unrestricted from having to communicate their intentions to other >> ensemble members. >> - Live-Looping provides the user with the opportunity to take chaos >> and achieve order from it. When a series of random events are >> selected and then repeated they cease to be random events because >> they then can be learnt and order can be perceived. t >> - Meaning is created from repetition. In this way Looping can also >> be said to display detail or magnify a situation. > > some more strong statements: > >> Once the medium of Live-Looping ceases to have an identity i.e. >> ceases to be recognisable as a process then in a sense the >> uniqueness of it as a compositional aid ceases and it becomes a >> device that can be used to emulate other forms of composition. >> >> With the popularity of DJ culture having peaked we may see a resurgence in >> the importance of live generated material as opposed to pre recorded live >> manipulated material. We are seeing an increasing convergence between >> electronic music and that which is made by conventional instruments. >> >> Live-Loopers to access the sound worlds of dance music and popular song >> structure with an ease that simply wasn't possible with tape. It is perhaps >> most significant when these new capabilities are used to take the essence of >> a music genre (e.g. Lafosse's innovative take on turntablism) rather than >> the simple emulation of the sound world of other genres via different means. >> >> Live-Looping is also creating a new emerging form of interaction between >> musicians. Live-Loopers are beginning to synchronise their devices together >> so that they can improvise together into a looped form that maintains a >> consistent timing relationship. This creates a new kind of interaction. >> > > The most amazing one, just in this moment: > >> I believe that there is a strong case for Live-Looping to exist as a >> musical genre and for history to relate its unfolding story. On >> listening to a large range of music produced by the process of >> Live-Looping I have found that pieces from contrasting musical >> genres have remarkably similar qualities. >> I think it is fair to say that in some respects these works seem to be more >> related to each other than the music of the genre each artist has been >> positioned in. > > > Thank you, Geoff! > > > I like your subjective judgement from "overall listening experience". > After we tried so hard to find logical solutions, it seems so > obvious, since its music... > Then again, some may say that you came to this conclusion for being > involved or even to enter history as academic "discoverer" of the > genre... > > Anyway, your text certainly eases our unsecurity and increases the > value of our all work! > > by the way: is there a definition for the diference between > genre - style - category? > > did you find where the name Live-Looping comes up first? > > > > >> This is a genre characterised by paradoxes, a performer plays their >> instrument live but their relationship to the dissemination of their >> instrument is different to that of the conventional player. By recording >> themselves, they are in a sense involving both themselves and the audience >> in the processes of both the studio and the live environment. An >> instrumentalist is effectively recording their performance and disseminating >> this recorded performance, as it happens. A live performance is typically >> characterised by the fact that musical events are created and then lost. >> This is paradoxically the opposite of the situation in Live-Looping, where >> the moment is captured and replayed as part of the performance. > > Sorry, I dont see paradox and opposite here. Isnt the "studio" part > simply an addition? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 07:19:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RBJHH08276; Tue, 27 May 2003 07:19:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:19:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054033997!29291 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB07E@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com, analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: (new) Mellotron Question Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:12:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32440.DE255000" Resent-Message-ID: <9LLPJ.A.hAC.nm00-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32440.DE255000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I suspect that by "german", the questioner is referring to the involvement in the mkVI project of marcus resch; as far as I know, marcus co-designed the new machine with dave kean (who legally owns the name and supports the machines for US-based users). I didn't think he was german, though.... and does this mean that he's making the things on his own now? have a look at the various mellotron sites besides dave kean's. there is..... some friction, I think is the best way to put it, between the adherents to dave kean's "mellotron archives", and the streetly guys in the UK. these latter have no legal claim to the mellotron name, but john bradley is the son of the late les bradley who first manufactured the mellotron in the early 60s. the machine is a development of an older american design, the chamberlin. anyway. several mkVI machines are in active service (noel gallagher has one), and while there have been teething problems (as with any new machine, especially one so mechanical in it's nature), it's still quite an achievment to have gotten a new mellotron into production at all. it uses a slightly larger tape frame than the m400, which is it's closest ancestor, and this has led to one or two mechanical problems.... as I understand.... streetly tend to concentrate on rounding up survivors of the original runs of mk2, m300 and m400 models, and do a fantastic job of refurbishing them and making new tapes for them- custom sounds too. they will also advise on shipping and local repairs and have an agent on the US east coast. my own m400 was transformed by a recent service the best place to find out about the user-opinion of the various models is on the mellotronists list (a yahoo group), though be prepared for weird senses of humour/irony. us tronnists are a peculiar lot....... dave kean fell off the mailing list some time ago- it's a long story, and like most mailing lists it's had it's share of controversy over the years, some of it revolving around the mkVI..... duncan/r.m.i./m400nr1098 -----Original Message----- From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com [mailto:Legion@helpwantedproductions.com] Sent: 27 May 2003 05:30 To: analogue@hyperreal.org; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: (new) Mellotron Question I friend of mine is thinking about buying one of the new Mellotron Mark VI units. More info on these from the order page at: http://www.mellotron.com/mkvi.htm However, he has heard rumors of some significant issues with the GERMAN made units and is looking for first hand confirmation from people who have either purchased or used one. Does anyone have first hand info about these German made units? Are they as good and the "original" US made mark VI units from a few years ago? Did they in fact have some problems with the German made mellotrons? Have problems been rectified? I figured if anyone would know it would be someone from these lists :) Any/all help would be appreciated. Thanks! *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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I suspect that by "german", the questioner is r= eferring to the involvement in the mkVI project of marcus resch; as far as = I know, marcus co-designed the new machine with dave kean (who legally owns= the name and supports the machines for US-based users). I didn't think he = was german, though.... and does this mean that he's making the things on hi= s own now? have a look at the various mellotron sites besides dave kean's.<= /FONT>

there is..... some friction, I think is the best way to p= ut it, between the adherents to dave kean's "mellotron archives",= and the streetly guys in the UK. these latter have no legal claim to the m= ellotron name, but john bradley is the son of the late les bradley who firs= t manufactured the mellotron in the early 60s. the machine is a development= of an older american design, the chamberlin.

anyway. several mkVI machines are in active service (noel= gallagher has one), and while there have been teething problems (as with a= ny new machine, especially one so mechanical in it's nature), it's still qu= ite an achievment to have gotten a new mellotron into production at all. it= uses a slightly larger tape frame than the m400, which is it's closest anc= estor, and this has led to one or two mechanical problems.... as I understa= nd....

streetly tend to concentrate on rounding up survivors of = the original runs of mk2, m300 and m400 models, and do a fantastic job of r= efurbishing them and making new tapes for them- custom sounds too. they wil= l also advise on shipping and local repairs and have an agent on the US eas= t coast. my own m400 was transformed by a recent service

the best place to find out about the user-opinion of the = various models is on the mellotronists list (a yahoo group), though be prep= ared for weird senses of humour/irony. us tronnists are a peculiar lot.....= .. dave kean fell off the mailing list some time ago- it's a long story, an= d like most mailing lists it's had it's share of controversy over the years= , some of it revolving around the mkVI.....

duncan/r.m.i./m400nr1098

-----Original Message-----
From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com
[mai= lto:Legion@helpwantedproductions.com]
Sent: 27 May 2003 05:30
To: analogue@hyperreal.org; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.c= om
Subject: (new) Mellotron Question


I friend of mine is thinking about buying one of the new = Mellotron Mark
VI units.
More info on these from the order page at:
http://www.mellotron.com/mkvi.htm

However, he has heard rumors of some significant issues w= ith the GERMAN
made units and is looking for first hand confirmation fr= om people who
have either purchased or used one.

Does anyone have first hand info about these German made = units? Are they
as  good and the "original" US made mark = VI units from a few years ago?
Did they in fact have some problems with the German made= mellotrons?
Have problems been rectified?

I figured if anyone would know it would be someone from t= hese lists :)
Any/all help would be appreciated.

Thanks!



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C32440.DE255000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 07:38:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RBbnm09511; Tue, 27 May 2003 07:37:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:37:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:37:29 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) From: Stuart Wyatt To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <98D84234-9037-11D7-8087-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I've been experimenting today trying to rig up two echo pro's as a stereo looper, and the first results are quite impressive. For the experiment, I rigged up two Echo Pro's, all running off the same midi channel, and connected the FCB1010 to the first, and ran a midi cable from that to the second with Midi Thru selected. I recorded a few stereo loops (using ping-pong delay on the DL4), and then let them run for a few minutes to listen for synchronisation problems. The results? After 8 minutes of listening to a percussive loop of 4x4/4 there is a very slight inconsistency in the synchronisation which gives the sound a quite interesting phased/reverb feel. This also gives the loop a very live and natural ambience. Very short one beat loops lose their synchronisation very quickly though. A lot of the synchronisation problems are caused by running the 2nd Echo Pro from the Midi Thru of the first, instead of routing the FCB1010 through a midi through box before the Echo Pros (I do not have a midi through box at the moment). Also, then length of the cables I am using are huge... I ideally need short patch midi cables. For my style of playing, this setup seems perfect, and I am completely over the moon! :) So, if anyone else is looking for a cheap stereo live looping rig - check out dual Echo Pro's...at $199 a piece, you cant go wrong. - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 08:26:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RCPRK13860; Tue, 27 May 2003 08:25:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:25:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:25:05 EDT Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper(liveloopinggenre) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim writes:- > these are all statements defining the process and techniques employed by > the musician on the creation side. None of them explain for a listener what > the result sounds like. That's what you need to do if you are describing a > genre of music, you need to explain the characteristics of the result from > the listener's perspective. Well try asking a few people to describe some music genres. It's quite rare that someone will give you an easy to grasp simple description of say, "what makes House different to Techno". ...most of the time you'll get a vague phrase that sort of describes how it might affect them emotionally, or just a phrase that they heard given as a definition. > > So when you try to claim Live Looping as a genre, I'm still lost as to what > you are talking about. I really don't see how regular music listeners can > understand it either. do "regular music listener's" understand any of the other genre terms though. new age >>> very simple harmonic sequence and no dynamics, CD lasts 60mins blues >>> the same chord sequence all night punk >>> guitarist does all down strokes or do they just associate the term with an enjoyable(or "cool") experience > Certainly you can explain to them about the looping > techniques and devices the musicians are using, and maybe they will find > that a bit interesting in an educational way. But that isn't describing the > music, and ultimately people go to listen to music not the musician's > technique. usually people go to listen to music because lots of other people do the same thing, the most common gig review is "it was a great night, there were lots of people there". Well I don't even know if anybodies "claiming Live Looping as a genre", some of us use it as a descriptive term for our music. At a "Live Looping" gig you will hear sounds that the musician isn't currently involved in producing, but neverless they appear to be in control of the sound, shaping it in some way, and adding to it by the use of their instrument. which is probably as good a definition for a type of music as "jazz" "classical" "rock", and at least gives you some idea of what the experience will be like, if not the audio part of the experience If you could describe a piece of music accurately, would there be any point in listening to it? (isn't that what makes it worth listening, the undescribable?) Well, if I don't give my music a name, I won't be able to promote it, so it's andybutler--livelooper From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 09:18:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RDHQP19415; Tue, 27 May 2003 09:17:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:17:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:18:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper bibliography In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2003 13:17:08.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[4646A920:01C32452] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4RDHAB19366 Resent-Message-ID: <-gNo3B.A.-uE.XV20-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Geoff, this is very useful. Ian. At 18:17 26/05/03 , you wrote: >Bibliography >Books >Brindle, Reginald Smith    The New Music (Oxford: Oxford University Press, >1987) >Duckworth, William    Talking Music (New York: Da Capo Press, 1999) >Dwyer, Terence        Composing With Tape Recorders (London: Oxford >University Press, 1971) >Griffiths, Paul        Modern Music (London: Thames And Hudson inc. 1978) >Holmes, Thom        Electronic and Experimental Music (London: Routledge >2002) >Jodd, F.C        Electronic Music and Musique Concrete (London: Neville >Spearman, 1961) >Keane, David        Tape Music Composition (London: Oxford University Press, >1980) >Mackay, Andy        Electronic Music (Oxford: Phaidon Press Ltd, 1981) >Nyman, Michael        Experimental Music (Cambridge: Cambridge University >Press 1974) >Potter, Keith        Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge >University Press 2000) >Prendergast, Mark    The Ambient Century (London: Bloomsburg publishing Plc, >2000) >Oliveros, Pauline        The Roots Of The Moment (New York: Drogue Press, >1998) >Rich, Alan        American Pioneers (London: Phaidon Press Ltd. 1995) >Schrader, Barry        Introduction To Electro-Acoustic Music (London: >Prentice-Hall, 1982) >Schwarz, K.Robert    Minimalists (London: Phaidon Press Ltd. 1996) >Shapiro, Peter        Modulations(New York: Caipirinha Production Inc. 2000) >Strange, Allen        Electronic Music (Iowa: Wm. C. Brown Company >Publishers, 1983) >Toop, David        Ocean Of Sound (London: Serpent¹s Tail, 1995) >Tamm, Eric        Brian Eno (New York: Da Capo Press, 1995) > > >Articles >Milkowski, Bill ŒNeo-Psychedelic Renegade¹ Guitar Player May 1991 p64-71 >Santoro, Gene ŒDavid Torn¹s Sonic Boom¹ Guitar World July 1987 p34-122 >Woodard, Joe ŒThe experimental artistry of David Torn¹ Guitar Player >November 1987 p32-44 > >Record Notes >Brian Eno ­ Discrete Music >Jim Fulkerson ­ Works > >Internet Resources (broken into groups) >General >http://www.loopers-delight.com The site is a vast resource of loop related >material by various different authors. >http://www.looproom.com/index_engl. php Looping tour info >http://www.loopers-d elight.com/history/loophist.html Peters, Michael The >Birth of Loop, 1996 >http://www.pofinc.org/EIShome.html Background on Pauline Oliveros¹s expanded >instrument system > >Articles >http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/Matthias/matthias-loophistory.html >Grob, Matthius. Some Loop History and Origins. >http: //www.audiomidi.com/classroom/software/loops_part1.cfm?cpid=92 Zonvar, >Dr Richard. A childs garden of looping , 2003 >http: //www.audiomidi.com/classroom/software/loops_part2.cfm?cpid=92 Zonvar, >Dr Richard. A childs garden of looping part2 , 2003 >http://www.mills.edu/LIFE /CCM/CCM_Archives.html The History of The San >Francisco Tape Music Centre. > http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/David_Torn/Torn_Loop_Article.html >Torn, David. In the Loop >http://www.l oopers-delight.com/musings/David_Torn/Torn1.html Rorick, Baker. >In the loop ­David Torn Article, From Guitar Shop Magazine, March 1999 >http://emus ician.com/ar/emusic_cellular_electronica/index.htm Gallagher, >Matt. Cellular Electronica,  originally published in Electronic Musician, >Oct1 2001 >http://www.innerviews.org/inne r/torn3.html by Prasad, Anil. Recasting >identities (David Torn), 2001 >http://www.innerviews.org/inne r/torn2.html by Prasad, Anil. Fate is not >completely decided (David Torn), 1995 >http://www.innerviews.org/inne r/torn1.html by Prasad, Anil Every mind has to >be defused (David Torn),1990 >http://www.djspooky.com/articles.html articles by DJ Spooky >http://www.stecrecord s.com/gear/jamman/HISTORY.html by Sellon, Bob. Lexicon >Jamman ­Roots of the Concept > >Harware >http://www.lo opers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Echoplex >information >http://www.aurisis.com /products/loopIV/loopIV.html Details of the Echoplex¹s >latest software. >http://emusician.com/ar /emusic_electrix_repeater/ review of Electrix >repeater >http://mixonline.com/a r/audio_electrix_repeater_2/ review of Electrix >repeater >Software >http://www.Cycling74.com Max/Msp and Radial software manufacturers. >http://www.cycling7 4.com/share/jhno/des/software.html delicate ear looping >software. >http://loopool.live.fm/ underground looping software. >http://girl.yowstar.com/ looping plug-in. >http://www.angelfire.com/dc /swirlee/loop.html software looper for Max/Msp. >http://www.devine-machine.com/ software sample looper. >http://www.loopit.org/ Jamma looping software for pure data. >http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp /software.html Pure Data download site. >http://dexterssandbox.com/sooperl ooper/ Live-Looping software for Linux. >http:/ /www.meduse.org/avatar/avatar/arcand/macchina_ricordi_a.html Max/Msp >based Live-Looping patch. >http://www.csound musical programming language. >http://www.ircam.fr/index-e.html Home of experimental music research >foundation IRCAM. > >People >Armatronix http://www.armatronix.com/ >Aumont, Michael. http://m.aumont.free.fr/ >Beardsley, David. http://www.biink.com/db/ >Boysen, Per. http://www.boysen.se/index.shtml >Brondel, Laurent. http://www.laurentbrondel.com/home. html >Butler, Andy. http://www.andybutler.com/ >Dresher, Paul http://dresherensemble.org/ >Fripp, Robert. Interviews http://www.elephant-talk.com/inte rvws.htm >George, Jimmy. http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com/ >Grob, Matthius. Inventor of the Echoplex http://Matthias.Grob.org/ >JHNO http://members.aol.com/resonanc e8/Jhno.html >Keating, Zoe. http://www.zoekeating.com/ >Knight, Mark. http://www.fiddleforum.com/madfiddler/ >Kuckhermann, David. http://www.framedrums.de/ >Lafosse, Andre. http://www.altruistmusic.com/ >Lanier, Jaron http://people.advanced.org/~ja ron/music.html >Lawson, Steve. http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk/ >Lentz, Daniel. http://www.daniellentz.com/ >Leonardson, Eric. http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ >Neuburg, Amy X. http://www.isproductions.com/amy /biog.html >Oliveros, Pauline. http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline/ >Riley, Terry. http://www.terryriley.com/ >Scofield, John. http://johnscofield.com/equip.html >Stone, Carl. http://www.sukothai.com/v.2/CSMusi c.html >Subotnick, Morton.http://www.mortonsubotnick.com/ >Walker, Rick. http://WWW.LOOPPOOL.INFO/ >Z, Pamela. http://www.pamelaz.com/ >Zanana http://www.zanana.org/ >Zonvar, Dr, Richard. http://www.zvonar.com/ > >James Fulkerson short biography http://composers21.com/compdoc s/fulkersj.htm >The Barton Workshop http://web.inter.nl.net/users /BartonWorkshop/ >Listening room http://members.bellatlantic.net/ ~kmistove/ > >Other resources >Max/Msp mailing list >Loopers-Delight mailing list >Electrix repeater mailing list >David Torn yahoo group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/davi dtorn/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 09:41:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RDZp021361; Tue, 27 May 2003 09:35:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:35:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-20.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054042489!39365 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB08E@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Stereo Echo Pro experimentations Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32454.9FD512E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32454.9FD512E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>A lot of the synchronisation problems are caused by running the 2nd Echo Pro from the Midi Thru of the first, instead of routing the FCB1010 through a midi through box before the Echo Pros (I do not have a midi through box at the moment). Also, then length of the cables I am using are huge... I ideally need short patch midi cables.<< hmmm...... I suspect you'll have the same synchronisation issues with the through-box in place. and the length of the midi cables won't make that much difference either, so long as they're not long enough to be picking up noise and jitter. I don't know how the midi-sync is implemented in the line-6, but I suspect that they'd still run out of sync eventually or at least sound a bit phasey even if they had the same master clock running their cpu's. do they have a word-clock input? I bet that would improve matters.... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>A lot of the synchronisation problems are caused = by running the 2nd
Echo Pro from the Midi Thru of the first, instead of rou= ting the
FCB1010 through a midi through box before the Echo Pros = (I do not have
a midi through box  at the moment). Also, then leng= th of the cables I
am using are huge... I ideally need short patch midi cab= les.<<

hmmm...... I suspect you'll have the same synchronisation= issues with the through-box in place. and the length of the midi cables wo= n't make that much difference either, so long as they're not long enough to= be picking up noise and jitter. I don't know how the midi-sync is implemen= ted in the line-6, but I suspect that they'd still run out of sync eventual= ly or at least sound a bit phasey even if they had the same master clock ru= nning their cpu's.

do they have a word-clock input? I bet that would improve= matters....


d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C32454.9FD512E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:01:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RDwtD23202; Tue, 27 May 2003 09:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014e01c323ff$6a2ef200$d662f93f@global> References: <200305262019.h4QKJpN20891@hemlock.violacea.com> <014e01c323ff$6a2ef200$d662f93f@global> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:58:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: update: LOOP.POOL SUMMER TOUR 2003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Matthias also has two MP3s of improvs we did in Sweden: one with he, >Per and I and one with just he and Per (after we had left for the >states). I think there is a good chance he may post them very soon. yep, we have hours of reasonable recordings and are editing some more pieces here the next days and then select the best... :-) > >I was so loving playing with Per and Matthias. They are both really >interesting and idiosyncratic musicians and we were all coming from >really disparate stylistic places and yet we were really moving >towards an interesting group aesthetic. >We all felt that we had just scratched the surface of what is possible with >this trio and were all looking forward to the next series of gigs >when cruel fate interrupted us. I believe there will be another oportunity and a meantime to digest the recent experience to then do it more maturely. >I want to send out my heartfelt thanks to Per who, in his first self booked >tour did an incredibly professional job of getting us gigs and >exposure. I'm so damned impressed with him (not only his beautiful >artistry, but just how >together he is as a promoter, booker and human being). He is also funny, >intelligent, wise and a great person to tour with. yep, Per is great! He sits right next to me :-) >I also want to send out my heartfelt thanks to Matthias who's strong >spiritual approach to his music has been a real inspiration to me. >He sat up with me all night the night when my mom died and was >incredibly nurturing to me emotionally during my darkest hour. >Thanks to you to my brother!!! we should be thanking the REIKI power... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:24:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4REO3427143; Tue, 27 May 2003 10:24:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:24:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:21:25 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a901c3245b$41d667a0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" > I feel compelled to point out that i'm not sure about the others you > mentioned, but Klaus Schulze was definitely doing the "time lag > accumulator" looping thing with tape machines. there's actually a > picture here: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/8402.htm it's behind > him, in a road case constructed for the task. That's just an open reel tape deck, not exactly proof of looping. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:31:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4REV8o28157; Tue, 27 May 2003 10:31:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:31:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:31:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3kpruB.A.r3G.ja30-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >"Then again, some may say that you came to this conclusion for being >> involved or even to enter history as academic "discoverer" of the >> genre..." >Ha Ha Ha!!! >Its almost killed me to write this! >The idea that I have done this from an academic slant for self promotion is >amusing to me. Truth is I managed to think of something that I would find >incredibly interesting to write about, and then got so into it that this is >what came out. This is 5-6months hard work, done purely because I >found this genre and this discussion forum so interesting. >So people can say what they like! hm... where are you going to publish that? Does it really not matter what people say about it? Credibility is of importance, no? > >" did you find where the name Live-Looping comes up first?" >Only that it was yourself and Rick Walker that used it in the first two >emails I received when I started researching this 5-6months ago. It made so >much sense to me that I have used it ever since. Further to that i think its >a brilliant title for the genre. ah, ok, so Rick baptized it in the church and you in the city hall :-) >Ohh yeah and I have a pair of EDP's which have been calling me for too >long!!!!!! a loop with your name going all the time? :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:32:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4REUTv28082; Tue, 27 May 2003 10:30:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:30:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:23:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:21 AM +0100 5/27/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >Plus people like Dr Richard Zvonar have already done so much My research was also based on the work of others, including writings on the Loopers Delight Web site. We take what we find and build on it as we are able. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:35:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4REUbQ28092; Tue, 27 May 2003 10:30:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:30:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030526233224.0319cad0@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030526233224.0319cad0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:18:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:04 AM -0700 5/27/03, Kim Flint wrote: >you mention musique concrete and then go on to discuss Cage, but >what about Karlheinz Stockhausen? He is certainly a big influence on >electronic music in general, and it seems to me more relevant to >looping than Cage. Stockhausen even did a delay-based looping piece (Solo) and used tape loops in creating Kontakte. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:37:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4REaVx28899; Tue, 27 May 2003 10:36:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:36:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <98D84234-9037-11D7-8087-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <98D84234-9037-11D7-8087-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:35:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >So, if anyone else is looking for a cheap stereo live looping rig - >check out dual Echo Pro's...at $199 a piece, you cant go wrong. did I miss where to get these for $199?? /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:37:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4REacE28907; Tue, 27 May 2003 10:36:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:36:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <98D84234-9037-11D7-8087-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <98D84234-9037-11D7-8087-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:36:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi all, > >I've been experimenting today trying to rig up two echo pro's as a >stereo looper, and the first results are quite impressive. > >For the experiment, I rigged up two Echo Pro's, all running off the >same midi channel, and connected the FCB1010 to the first, and ran a >midi cable from that to the second with Midi Thru selected. I >recorded a few stereo loops (using ping-pong delay on the DL4), and >then let them run for a few minutes to listen for synchronisation >problems. > >The results? After 8 minutes of listening to a percussive loop of >4x4/4 there is a very slight inconsistency in the synchronisation >which gives the sound a quite interesting phased/reverb feel. This >also gives the loop a very live and natural ambience. Very short one >beat loops lose their synchronisation very quickly though. interesting. they are not synced, but the crystals are acurate enough to hold them together for a while. Depends on the each unit and temperature, though! Use units (or crystals!) from the same batch and mount them together, so they have the same temperature. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:43:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4REgjn29575; Tue, 27 May 2003 10:42:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:42:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAE54@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: your mom Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:42:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi rick. i'm so sorry to hear about your loss. sounds like you were really lucky to have a mother like that. hug your familly and take care of each other. (and good luck with the rest of the tour!) m.c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:52:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4REpJD30215; Tue, 27 May 2003 10:51:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:51:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:51:36 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Message-ID: <2147483647.1054029096@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: <98D84234-9037-11D7-8087-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147493761==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147493761========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Zzounds. --On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:35 AM -0400 Tom Ritchford = wrote: >> So, if anyone else is looking for a cheap stereo live looping rig -=20 >> check out dual Echo Pro's...at $199 a piece, you cant go wrong. >=20 > did I miss where to get these for $199?? >=20 > /t > --=20 >=20 > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every > Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar > .................................. the calendar. > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the > calendar. >=20 > =20 --- www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147493761========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Zzounds.

--On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:35 AM -0400 Tom Ritchford = <tom@swirly.com> wrote:

>> So, if anyone else is looking for a cheap stereo live looping rig = -
>> check out dual Echo Pro's...at $199 a piece, you cant go = wrong.
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www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147493761==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:55:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4REran30475; Tue, 27 May 2003 10:53:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:53:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:52:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: genre - style - category Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > is there a definition for the diference between > > genre - style - category?" > >I looked up genre in the dictionary and in means simply" a style or category >of art or literature" >so they are to my mind the same! hm... dictionary... I am not sure about genre, but to me, style and category are not the same. Style is rather tradition oriented, its the "cookbook" for a way to play music. Categories rather arise from the atempt to organize things. You can isolate a "pure style", but there is no "pure category". as a picture: the style is the centre of a box, and the category its walls. New Age is a category but not a style. Reggae is a style, but you can make categories of revolutionary, religious, relaxing... and maybe place some recordings in the category "ambient" instead of "reggae" A lot of the category "christian" is actually built on the style "rock" (yes, with diabolic guitar solos :-) Live Looping is rather a category than a style to me, but neither really, totally... Now, I dont know where to put "genre" in all this... Maybe chambre music is a genre and they play styles like flamenco, walz... ? Sorry to bore you again with definitions :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 10:58:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4REvVR30885; Tue, 27 May 2003 10:57:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:57:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c32460$a3085b00$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul" To: References: <98D84234-9037-11D7-8087-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <2147483647.1054029096@localhost> Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:59:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C3243F.1BB39780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C3243F.1BB39780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ZZOUNDS is listing them for $299.95. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelly Coyle=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro = experimentations) Zzounds. --On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:35 AM -0400 Tom Ritchford wrote: >> So, if anyone else is looking for a cheap stereo live looping rig - = >> check out dual Echo Pro's...at $199 a piece, you cant go wrong. >=20 > did I miss where to get these for $199?? >=20 > /t > --=20 >=20 > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every > Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar > .................................. the calendar. > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the > calendar. >=20 >=20 --- www.endtimequartet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C3243F.1BB39780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ZZOUNDS is listing them for = $299.95.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 = 10:51=20 AM
Subject: Re: Stereo looping = device for=20 $400? (Echo Pro experimentations)

Zzounds.

--On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:35 AM = -0400 Tom=20 Ritchford wrote:

>> So, if anyone else = is=20 looking for a cheap stereo live looping rig -
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> did I = miss where=20 to get these for $199??
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> Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar<= BR>>=20 .................................. the calendar.
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www.endtimequartet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C3243F.1BB39780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 11:04:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RF2Rp32667; Tue, 27 May 2003 11:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:02:41 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Message-ID: <2147483647.1054029761@localhost> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops, sorry: Zzounds, $299. I misremembered. I bought one about a month ago, kept it for a day or two, and sent it back. I didn't care for how it SOUNDED as against my EDP. I'm not sure why, but the EDP (and even my Guyatone Micro-delay) seem to me to have better headroom and, err, well, "snap." I don't even mind having the EDP or the Guyatone in the circuit when they're not looping or delaying; the Line 6 bugged me for very vague reasons. So does the Pod though, even though I used it in the studio and it sounds excellent on the final product. But when I'm in the room with it, I don't like it. Maybe I'm just sentimental for real amps and Space Echos... I do wonder if the Variax would strike me in the same way. Maybe no one else here, in this technophilic community, has these feelings. I'd love to know. --- www.endtimequartet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 11:16:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RFFPb01248; Tue, 27 May 2003 11:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:15:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:15:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0s_tw.A.oS.AE40-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/27/03 7:35 AM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: > did I miss where to get these for $199?? Guitar Center was blowing them out for $199. That was a few weeks ago, so they are probably all gone. I'm having lots of fun with the one I grabbed though mostly not as a looper. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 11:18:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RFIC701514; Tue, 27 May 2003 11:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012f01c32463$5aa79440$642bae40@kinesys1> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: Subject: Re: why Kim why? Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:19:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > According to CDDB, Ambient isn't a genre. ;-) It is listed as a "style" allmusic.com, but is part of the "New Age" genre: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70305251233&sql=C226 The description is relatively accurate though ... but they also have Ambient Dub, Ambient Techno, Ambient House, & Ambient Breakbeat styles listed under Electronica. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 12:13:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RG8UU07539; Tue, 27 May 2003 12:08:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:08:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:09:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1158070786==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1158070786==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:21 PM +0100 5/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley's first attempts at live looping, >"with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an Echoplex, a >primitive electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated in >an ever accumulating counterpoint against itself" 1 > >1 p98 Potter, Keith. Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge >University Press 2000) Did you confirm this with Terry? When I spoke to him about Mescalin Mix he said that he used two Wollensack tape decks. Also, in several conversations with Ramon Sender there was never mention of an Echoplex. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1158070786==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3
At 6:21 PM +0100 5/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote:
His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley's first attempts at live looping, "with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an Echoplex, a primitive electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated in an ever accumulating counterpoint against itself" 1

1 p98 Potter, Keith. Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press 2000)

Did you confirm this with Terry? When I spoke to him about Mescalin Mix he said that he used two Wollensack tape decks. Also, in several conversations with Ramon Sender there was never mention of an Echoplex.

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--============_-1158070786==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 12:16:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RGCdX07962; Tue, 27 May 2003 12:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace R. Meyer" To: Subject: RE: genre - style - category--Christian(?) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:12:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c3246a$bc94af60$33c656d1@DellaReese> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First off, let me say that we should call this Live Onstage Looping so we can proudly refer to our music as LOL--I think we deserve that . . . Next subject--as Candy and I travel recently (currently in Phoenix, AZ--car problems--more later if I have to), we have listened to several Christian radio stations--all styles abound on the same stations! Sort of like the 60's . . . Cheri Keaggy sounded good--no relation evidently to the loop guy-- But it all had great production values, and nice to hear country next to urban-- IMHO categorization is for the listener, not the performer-- To quote Paul Kantner, "Fuck you, we do what we want." Gary Lehmann > > is there a definition for the diference between > > genre - style - category?" > >I looked up genre in the dictionary and in means simply" a style or category >of art or literature" >so they are to my mind the same! hm... dictionary... I am not sure about genre, but to me, style and category are not the same. Style is rather tradition oriented, its the "cookbook" for a way to play music. Categories rather arise from the atempt to organize things. You can isolate a "pure style", but there is no "pure category". as a picture: the style is the centre of a box, and the category its walls. New Age is a category but not a style. Reggae is a style, but you can make categories of revolutionary, religious, relaxing... and maybe place some recordings in the category "ambient" instead of "reggae" A lot of the category "christian" is actually built on the style "rock" (yes, with diabolic guitar solos :-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 12:26:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RGLqS09823; Tue, 27 May 2003 12:21:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:21:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: LiveLooping Research Paper at LiveLooping.com Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:24:57 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-To: <200305271458.h4REwJa30977@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've also posted Geoff Smith's LiveLooping Research Paper at the preliminary LiveLooping site: http://www.livelooping.com = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 12:45:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RGfnD12387; Tue, 27 May 2003 12:41:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:41:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jamman question... In-Reply-To: <001801c32415$760a3740$6dff56d1@efayy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was looking at the Jamman online manual and am a bit confuse between "sample' mode and "loop" mode. If I understand correctly you can only reverse in Sample mode but you cannot overdub. IN other words you record something once, reverse it,a nd if you want to add somethign to it you cant it merely makes a new sample. The Loop mode allows you to overdub but doesn't reverse. If this correct? If so it seems that stupid little DL4 pedal of mine wins again and again. I am looking for a second looper to compliment it but I really think it has to do more than the DL4 in terms of features. I don't need 60 second loops, but reverse and overdub seem pretty basic to me. any help appreciated From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 13:22:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RHDdp17137; Tue, 27 May 2003 13:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:13:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:13:18 -0700 Subject: Lexicon JamMan 32 sec for Line6 Echo Pro trade? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <82BC7C88-9066-11D7-BD9C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone interested? Practically brand new Echo Pro for you're 32 sec working JamMan. Email me off list. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 13:23:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RHJTm17987; Tue, 27 May 2003 13:19:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:19:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:19:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5BA5C61A-9067-11D7-BD9C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 07:36 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >> The results? After 8 minutes of listening to a percussive loop of >> 4x4/4 there is a very slight inconsistency in the synchronisation >> which gives the sound a quite interesting phased/reverb feel. This >> also gives the loop a very live and natural ambience. Very short one >> beat loops lose their synchronisation very quickly though. > > interesting. they are not synced, but the crystals are acurate enough > to hold them together for a while. You couldn't call that synced could you? Note he's not using the looper function, just the Ping pong delay with 100% feedback. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 13:23:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RHG7J17510; Tue, 27 May 2003 13:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:16:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:15:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1054029096@localhost> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4RHG6B17486 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Echo Pro's a mono looper, and putting two together would *NOT* make it a stereo looper like you can with the EDP. Two loops at the same time do not a stereo looper make. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 07:51 AM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Zzounds. > > --On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:35 AM -0400 Tom Ritchford > wrote: > > >> So, if anyone else is looking for a cheap stereo live looping rig - > >> check out dual Echo Pro's...at $199 a piece, you cant go wrong. > > > > did I miss where to get these for $199?? > > > >     /t > > -- > > > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every > > Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar > > .................................. the calendar. > > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the > > calendar. > > > >   > > > > --- > www.endtimequartet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 13:24:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RHJG817944; Tue, 27 May 2003 13:19:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:19:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527002245.034fd008@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527002245.034fd008@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:19:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim said, after a lot more good stuff: >Yet, when somebody hands me their cd and tells me they are a looper >and they want me to hear their looping music, I still have >absolutely no idea what it will sound like! The stylistic results >people come up with when using looping are all over the map. I certainly can understand your questioning Kim! but its somehow like saying that "american" is a useless term because there blond and black and fat and rich ones, whereas, when you present me someone as american, I know that I should not say "bom dia" and can see his race :-) You can also combine categories and present someone as a smart - black - lower class - rastaman - and it still will not say much about the person. Similarely we can speak about jazzy - guitar - live looping music... While "american" is of the type "nationality", we dont quite know of what type live looping is, since it may not be a style. Geoff claims its a genre, others called it an artform... but of what type is "rastaman"? Religion? Nationality? Yet everyone pictures him... So what I learned here, mainly from Rick, is that we better start to use a term, even though we dont know its type. What matters is that the world gets an ida about what LiveLooping is about. And for this, its usefull that we use the same term when we use the technical process as defined pretty exactly by now, so with time everyone get a feeling for what can come out of it. >So when you try to claim Live Looping as a genre, I'm still lost as >to what you are talking about. and if you hear "jazz", you know? >I really don't see how regular music listeners can understand it either. right, we need to try to show them. >Certainly you can explain to them about the looping techniques and >devices the musicians are using, and maybe they will find that a bit >interesting in an educational way. very true, we have that all on LD. >But that isn't describing the music, and ultimately people go to >listen to music not the musician's technique. Thats what we want to start LiveLooping.com for. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 13:37:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RHY9820565; Tue, 27 May 2003 13:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c32475$cb300000$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <98D84234-9037-11D7-8087-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:31:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i also have a schematic to run two boomerangs together for the same stereo type effect. like the echo pros that go off track after a little while. mike nelson if your listening please make this thing stereo and midi??? thanks for the heads up on the dual ep's. peace jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Wyatt To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:37 AM Subject: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) > Hi all, > > I've been experimenting today trying to rig up two echo pro's as a > stereo looper, and the first results are quite impressive. > > For the experiment, I rigged up two Echo Pro's, all running off the > same midi channel, and connected the FCB1010 to the first, and ran a > midi cable from that to the second with Midi Thru selected. I recorded > a few stereo loops (using ping-pong delay on the DL4), and then let > them run for a few minutes to listen for synchronisation problems. > > The results? After 8 minutes of listening to a percussive loop of 4x4/4 > there is a very slight inconsistency in the synchronisation which gives > the sound a quite interesting phased/reverb feel. This also gives the > loop a very live and natural ambience. Very short one beat loops lose > their synchronisation very quickly though. > > A lot of the synchronisation problems are caused by running the 2nd > Echo Pro from the Midi Thru of the first, instead of routing the > FCB1010 through a midi through box before the Echo Pros (I do not have > a midi through box at the moment). Also, then length of the cables I > am using are huge... I ideally need short patch midi cables. > > For my style of playing, this setup seems perfect, and I am completely > over the moon! :) > > So, if anyone else is looking for a cheap stereo live looping rig - > check out dual Echo Pro's...at $199 a piece, you cant go wrong. > > - Stu > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 13:43:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RHff822201; Tue, 27 May 2003 13:41:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:41:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:41:18 +0200 Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5BA5C61A-9067-11D7-BD9C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <6BEC615D-906A-11D7-8087-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 07:19 pm, mark wrote: >> interesting. they are not synced, but the crystals are acurate enough >> to hold them together for a while. > > You couldn't call that synced could you? Note he's not using the > looper function, just the Ping pong delay with 100% feedback. Actually no, I used both echo pro's in loop mode. I used the ping-pong delay of the DL4 to test the stereo effect of the doubled Echo Pro's along with a bow-tap click track in mono to test for the synchronisation. So yes, they are synced to a certain extent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 14:04:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RI0wI26516; Tue, 27 May 2003 14:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:00:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:04:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You said > hm... where are you going to publish that? > Does it really not matter what people say about it? > Credibility is of importance, no? Of course credibility is nice, however I have learnt so much from doing this. It has been a very fulfilling experience and many nice things have happened to me already as a result, and so if anyone wishes to slate me for doing it so be it, they cannot take away all of the wonderful experiences, conversations I have had, or music I have heard. I will do everything I can to put my work out there as I believe I have nothing to lose from trying. I like the way artists like DJ Spooky both write about and create music illustrating what they enjoy etc. I have always tried to lived my from the point of view that u get back good things from trying to do good things, this has happened all throughout writing this. One of the reasons this has been so enjoyable is because so many of the people involved in looping seem to be genuinely wonderful people. So thankyou to everyone who has helped me. Geoff on 27/5/03 3:31 pm, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >> "Then again, some may say that you came to this conclusion for being >>> involved or even to enter history as academic "discoverer" of the >>> genre..." >> Ha Ha Ha!!! >> Its almost killed me to write this! >> The idea that I have done this from an academic slant for self promotion is >> amusing to me. Truth is I managed to think of something that I would find >> incredibly interesting to write about, and then got so into it that this is >> what came out. This is 5-6months hard work, done purely because I >> found this genre and this discussion forum so interesting. >> So people can say what they like! > > hm... where are you going to publish that? > Does it really not matter what people say about it? > Credibility is of importance, no? > >>> " did you find where the name Live-Looping comes up first?" >> Only that it was yourself and Rick Walker that used it in the first two >> emails I received when I started researching this 5-6months ago. It made so >> much sense to me that I have used it ever since. Further to that i think its >> a brilliant title for the genre. > > ah, ok, so Rick baptized it in the church and you in the city hall :-) > >> Ohh yeah and I have a pair of EDP's which have been calling me for too >> long!!!!!! > > a loop with your name going all the time? :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 14:18:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RIGHf28385; Tue, 27 May 2003 14:16:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:16:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <14e.1f6ffb6f.2c050563@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:16:03 EDT Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Stockhausen even did a delay-based looping piece (Solo) you mean he performed solo, or the piece was called solo? ;-) >and used tape > loops in creating Kontakte. He had a big disc with sound waves drawn on it in the same way that movies use an optical soundtrack. This allowed him to speed up a loop so much it eventually became a tone ( not easy to do well even with digital editing). A much greater range of pitch than possible with tape loops. At the beginning of Kontakte part 2 you can clearly hear a sound slowing from a pitch into a rhythm. Did he use tape loops as well? (It just sounds like the big disk and a bit of multitracking to me.) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 14:41:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RIdE031211; Tue, 27 May 2003 14:39:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:39:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:43:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527002245.034fd008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have difficulty understanding that also. I have been in this looping > stuff for 10 years now. In the process of developing the Echoplex and > running Looper's Delight, I have received countless cd's and tapes from > loopers all over the world. I've downloaded hundreds (or maybe thousands) > of mp3 files that loopers have posted or told me to check out. I've been to > numerous performances and looping festivals. I've bought albums by famous > loopers. Yet, when somebody hands me their cd and tells me they are a > looper and they want me to hear their looping music, I still have > absolutely no idea what it will sound like! The stylistic results people > come up with when using looping are all over the map. > > So when you try to claim Live Looping as a genre, I'm still lost as to what > you are talking about. I really don't see how regular music listeners can > understand it either. Certainly you can explain to them about the looping > techniques and devices the musicians are using, and maybe they will find > that a bit interesting in an educational way. But that isn't describing the > music, and ultimately people go to listen to music not the musician's > technique. Okay I'm a bit tired as I handed my paper in this morning! This is a huge question.... So this is going to be messy! I understand your point of view, However its not mine, here is how I see things When i listen to the music of Live-Looping (there I am calling it that right from the start) I genuinely here huge similarities between the artists I have talked about. For this to work I only consider artists who use a Live-Looping device as a major part of what they do. To illustrate why... drum and bass doesn't sound the way it does simply because someone adds a speed up drum beat, its a full engagement with a form of music. This is true of Live-Looping for someone to be considered part of the genre they must make heavy use of the Live-Looper, i.e. it can not be just an arbitory addition or effect. Okay so considering people who do this... If I went to http://www.looproom.com/index_engl.php and downloaded music by Rick, Matthius, and Per Boysen (which I have done incidently) I would argue that the music has a lot in common as a listening experience. The very function of looping a live instrumentalist has such a powerful aesthetic effect that I would argue that this in most cases creates a feeling of similarity between individual pieces or artists. Looping creates form that is clear, ... and I believe it creates such a specific form that it ties music together. In the same way hip-hop covers so many different musicians etc. So Live-Looping can do the same, because there is a basic form that is popular. Compare Terry Riley's 'Poppy No good etc' to Per Boysen's Saxophone pieces and the similarities are obvious. It is perhaps harder to perceive when u compare music made on different types of instruments, but i believe the form is still very clear. Take Eno and Fripp's 'No Pussyfooting' and listen to that and imagine it was played on a saxophone.... you must see it!!!!! Live-Looping like all music genres has progressed this can be heard on Amy X Neuburg' s 'tattoo' however the roots of the music can still be perceived i.e. I can still hear the same fascination with looped live recorded audio. The form is just more fragmented now (thanks to new functions on the EDP. People more often than not choose a loop-length that fits a specific feeling of repetition just the same as a hip-hop drum beat has a specific character. This is true even in Andre Lafosse's work the difference is he has found a way to transform this particular loop by a process other than overdub. So although the process is different certain feelings are the same. Live-Looping music is characterized by the looping of live instruments in recorded form, obvious yes but hugely significant as no other form of music does this. If you play samples of music that aren't created live they have a totally different feel....etc. Sequenced music is looping but is characterised by looping synth sounds or sampled sounds and therefor has a very different aesthetic effect. One of the few people who is maybe unrecognisable as a Live-Looper is David Torn on his recent work. This I believe is because of the huge range of processing he uses, I talk about this in my paper. So I set you the challenge name 5-10 prominent Live-Looping pieces that you feel cannot be characterised together. And I will respond. Anyway I must go or my partner will kill me!! Sorry about the rough way this is written I aim to clarify this later. Geoff on 27/5/03 9:26 am, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > At 08:18 PM 5/26/2003, Matthias Grob wrote: >> Wow, here we have a beautiful colection of definition points! >> >>> - The most common use of Live-Looping is where a player records a phrase >>> that is then fed back to them, this process is then repeated to create a >>> layering effect. >>> - The feedback loop gives the player the opportunity to learn and >>> capitalise upon the subtle nuances of their expression. >>> - One person's personality is being layered as opposed to many >>> personalities being combined. >>> - The relationship between the looping device and the musician also >>> allows for a large amount of improvisation. The player is unrestricted >>> from having to communicate their intentions to other ensemble members. >>> - Live-Looping provides the user with the opportunity to take chaos and >>> achieve order from it. When a series of random events are >>> selected and then repeated they cease to be random events because they >>> then can be learnt and order can be perceived. t >>> - Meaning is created from repetition. In this way Looping can also be >>> said to display detail or magnify a situation. > > these are all statements defining the process and techniques employed by > the musician on the creation side. None of them explain for a listener what > the result sounds like. That's what you need to do if you are describing a > genre of music, you need to explain the characteristics of the result from > the listener's perspective. Reading this from a listener standpoint, I have > no understanding at all of what I might expect to hear when listening to > this "genre" of live looping. On the other hand, I have plenty of > understanding from this of what I might experience as the musician > employing these techniques and devices. > > If Looping is a genre, then what specific characteristics will the listener > expect to hear in the result? > >> The most amazing one, just in this moment: >>> >>> I believe that there is a strong case for Live-Looping to exist as a >>> musical genre and for history to relate its unfolding story. On listening >>> to a large range of music produced by the process of Live-Looping I have >>> found that pieces from contrasting musical genres have remarkably similar >>> qualities. >>> I think it is fair to say that in some respects these works seem to be more >>> related to each other than the music of the genre each artist has been >>> positioned in. > > I have difficulty understanding that also. I have been in this looping > stuff for 10 years now. In the process of developing the Echoplex and > running Looper's Delight, I have received countless cd's and tapes from > loopers all over the world. I've downloaded hundreds (or maybe thousands) > of mp3 files that loopers have posted or told me to check out. I've been to > numerous performances and looping festivals. I've bought albums by famous > loopers. Yet, when somebody hands me their cd and tells me they are a > looper and they want me to hear their looping music, I still have > absolutely no idea what it will sound like! The stylistic results people > come up with when using looping are all over the map. > > So when you try to claim Live Looping as a genre, I'm still lost as to what > you are talking about. I really don't see how regular music listeners can > understand it either. Certainly you can explain to them about the looping > techniques and devices the musicians are using, and maybe they will find > that a bit interesting in an educational way. But that isn't describing the > music, and ultimately people go to listen to music not the musician's > technique. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 15:08:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RJ41I03258; Tue, 27 May 2003 15:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:04:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [217.158.145.63] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: Subject: Bjork loop sample shenanigans Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:03:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3248B.123C9480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2003 19:03:54.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8122090:01C32482] Resent-Message-ID: <0WgnpD.A.xy.ha70-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3248B.123C9480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While non loopers may not generally understand the loop concept/sound, = it seems to me some in the media, especially those who describe music in = a way we may act upon ( ie go see, or go buy ) can distinguish it. The = might not yet know it's a loop, but they're happy with the idea of the = 'sample', and occasionally use it to describe sounds they can't = actually see being played. =20 >From the UK paper the Guardian today, review of Bjork at the Hammersmith = Apollo ( nee Odeon ) "Bjork is joined by maverick long time collaborator Leila for Nameless, = an unearthly swoon of refracted wails, sampled live and played back to = create a choir of keeing Bjorks" ( a 'plex sampler is it I wonder ? ) I'm worried now there might be a 'live sample' crowd somewhere to = contend with. Them with their max'ed out Akais, could be nasty. Andrew ps - I've already copyrighted 'An unearthly swoon' to descibe my = loopjohn-ra, before you ask. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3248B.123C9480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
While non loopers may not generally = understand=20 the loop concept/sound, it seems to me some in the media, = especially those=20 who describe music in a way we may act upon ( ie go see, or go buy=20 ) can distinguish it. The might not yet know it's a loop, but = they're happy=20 with the idea of the 'sample',  and occasionally use = it to=20 describe sounds they can't actually see being played.
 
From the UK paper the Guardian today, = review of=20 Bjork at the Hammersmith Apollo ( nee Odeon )
 
"Bjork is joined by maverick long time = collaborator=20 Leila for Nameless, an unearthly swoon of refracted wails, sampled = live and=20 played back to create a choir of keeing Bjorks"
 
( a 'plex sampler is it I wonder ? = )
 
I'm worried now there might be a 'live = sample'=20 crowd somewhere to contend with. Them with their max'ed out Akais, could = be=20 nasty.
 
Andrew
 
ps - I've already copyrighted 'An = unearthly swoon'=20 to descibe my loopjohn-ra, before you ask.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3248B.123C9480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 15:12:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RJAPX04157; Tue, 27 May 2003 15:10:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:10:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:14:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3136911251_382392_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3136911251_382392_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 27/5/03 4:09 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: At 6:21 PM +0100 5/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote: His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley's first attempts at live looping, "with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an Echoplex, a primitive electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated in an ever accumulating counterpoint against itself" 1 1 p98 Potter, Keith. Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press 2000) Did you confirm this with Terry? When I spoke to him about Mescalin Mix he said that he used two Wollensack tape decks. Also, in several conversations with Ramon Sender there was never mention of an Echoplex. No I didn't confirm to this, as the book is so recent and thorough I though it would be true. However from what u are saying it sounds wrong. I would however recommend this book as it is the most in depth resource on the music of Terry Riley that I found. In fact is was one of the few books I read where I thought that the author had been bothered to carry out original research into the music of the Minimalists. If you read it or have read it then I would be interested to know what you think. Cheers Geoff --MS_Mac_OE_3136911251_382392_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 on 27/5/03 4:09 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:

At 6:21 PM +0100 5/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote:
His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley's first attempts at live l= ooping, "with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an Echoplex, a p= rimitive electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated in an ever a= ccumulating counterpoint against itself" 1

1 p98 Potter, Keith. Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge = University Press 2000)

Did you confirm this with Terry? When I spoke to him about Mescalin Mix he = said that he used two Wollensack tape decks. Also, in several conversations = with Ramon Sender there was never mention of an Echoplex.

No I didn't confirm to this, as the book is so recent and thorough I though= it would be true. However from what u are saying it sounds wrong.
I would however recommend this book as it is the most in depth resource on = the music of Terry Riley that I found. In fact is was one of the few books I= read where I thought that the author had been bothered to carry out origina= l research into the music of the Minimalists.
If you read it or have read it then I would be interested to know what you = think.

Cheers
Geoff --MS_Mac_OE_3136911251_382392_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 15:30:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RJQl506138; Tue, 27 May 2003 15:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:23:28 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b301c32485$73f39760$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3---- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Smith >No I didn't confirm to this, as the book is so recent >and thorough I though it would be true. However from >what u are saying it sounds wrong. >I would however recommend this book as it is the most >in depth resource on the music of Terry Riley that I found. >In fact is was one of the few books I read where I thought >that the author had been bothered to carry out original >research into the music of the Minimalists. >If you read it or have read it then I would be interested to know what you think. The book isn't without it's errors. I don't know if that's one of them. I'll look into this and get back to you. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 15:39:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RJVDM06664; Tue, 27 May 2003 15:31:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:31:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:35:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> I really don't see how regular music listeners can understand it either. > > right, we need to try to show them. > Tell people its Live-Looping music and people get it! they don't question it they look for ways to understand, I have played a lot of people Live-Looping music and they have all remarked on how different it is to other music. Simply by doing this they have created the space in their head for it to be something else! Call it something and people follow. Cheers Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 15:42:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RJZdN07043; Tue, 27 May 2003 15:35:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:35:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [159.178.62.223] X-Originating-Email: [teachustooutgrowourmadness@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Brown" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: secret, collapsible, realtime = ) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:35:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2003 19:35:33.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[23986280:01C32487] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com needless to say, this would be heavily loop-based, so i figured y'all might would have some equally valuable input. http://messageboard.tapeop.com/viewtopic.php?t=508 hey all... just thought i'd throw a few questions for a project i'd like to do in the relatively near future. let ye chew on it a bit. i'd like to start a group composed of maybe three instrumentalists and three people on laptops and other recording gear. the idea would be to create songs out of sounds found specifically on site. sample the smokerator, squash the hell out of it, drop the pitch, make something of a bassline, etc. this has been done in the studio by a good chunk of people, matmos, amon tobin, etc, but i'm not familiar with anyone who does this live. the other kicker is that i'd like to be able to do this entirely without the audience's knowledge. i want to sample them, manipulate it almost past the point of recognition, and give it right back to em. reassemble an essentially bugged conversation into a melody of some nature. so i want to start a band that would need to be able to recreate each venue as a secret, collapsible, realtime studio. what kind of equipment would be necessary for this? software? any ideas on a cheap way to create bugs of good enough quality? does anyone know of any bands who have wholly or largely used found samples as source material? anyone know of any better questions? and its on. thanks! nd _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 15:43:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RJfVi07801; Tue, 27 May 2003 15:41:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:41:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: Re: Bjork loop sample shenanigans Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:41:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3244D.48B04860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2003 19:41:25.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[F54FF9F0:01C32487] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3244D.48B04860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I'm worried now there might be a 'live sample' crowd somewhere to = contend with. Them with their max'ed out Akais, could be >nasty. Have no fear, brethen. The cannot loop like us. They have no insert and = multiply. They cannot time-stretch like a repeater. There is no = footpedal for the akai. Let them pave the way for us to take over the world. bIz ------------ groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound = like some vintage jazz singer from my dad's record collection. = Definitely not for me." ------------ If you're happy and you know it, clunk your chains. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andrew Taylor=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Bjork loop sample shenanigans While non loopers may not generally understand the loop concept/sound, = it seems to me some in the media, especially those who describe music in = a way we may act upon ( ie go see, or go buy ) can distinguish it. The = might not yet know it's a loop, but they're happy with the idea of the = 'sample', and occasionally use it to describe sounds they can't = actually see being played. From the UK paper the Guardian today, review of Bjork at the = Hammersmith Apollo ( nee Odeon ) "Bjork is joined by maverick long time collaborator Leila for = Nameless, an unearthly swoon of refracted wails, sampled live and played = back to create a choir of keeing Bjorks" ( a 'plex sampler is it I wonder ? ) I'm worried now there might be a 'live sample' crowd somewhere to = contend with. Them with their max'ed out Akais, could be nasty. Andrew ps - I've already copyrighted 'An unearthly swoon' to descibe my = loopjohn-ra, before you ask. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3244D.48B04860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
>I'm worried now there might be a = 'live sample'=20 crowd somewhere to contend with. Them with their max'ed out Akais, could = be=20 >nasty.
 
Have no fear, brethen. The cannot loop = like=20 us. They have no insert and multiply. They cannot time-stretch like = a=20 repeater. There is no footpedal for the akai.
 
Let them pave the way for us to take over the=20 world.
 
 
bIz
 
------------
groovetronica.com - = "The beats are=20 ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like some vintage jazz singer from = my dad's=20 record collection. Definitely not for me."
------------
If you're = happy=20 and you know it, clunk your chains.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andrew=20 Taylor
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 = 12:03=20 PM
Subject: Bjork loop sample=20 shenanigans

 
While non loopers may not generally = understand=20 the loop concept/sound, it seems to me some in the media, = especially=20 those who describe music in a way we may act upon ( ie go see, or = go buy=20 ) can distinguish it. The might not yet know it's a loop, but = they're=20 happy with the idea of the 'sample',  and occasionally use=20 it to describe sounds they can't actually see being = played.
 
From the UK paper the Guardian today, = review of=20 Bjork at the Hammersmith Apollo ( nee Odeon )
 
"Bjork is joined by maverick long = time=20 collaborator Leila for Nameless, an unearthly swoon of refracted = wails,=20 sampled live and played back to create a choir of keeing = Bjorks"
 
( a 'plex sampler is it I wonder ? = )
 
I'm worried now there might be a = 'live sample'=20 crowd somewhere to contend with. Them with their max'ed out Akais, = could be=20 nasty.
 
Andrew
 
ps - I've already copyrighted 'An = unearthly=20 swoon' to descibe my loopjohn-ra, before you ask.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3244D.48B04860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 15:51:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RJmS208707; Tue, 27 May 2003 15:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:48:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c32488$e94d1100$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:48:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3245E.F9FAE100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_7dsR.A.6HC.LE80-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3245E.F9FAE100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3This is an interesting = point, to me, only a novice when it comes to the history of looping. Chapter 3 seems to indicate that Terry Riley used a device that = (someone) was already calling an "Echoplex" in the very early 60s, and = that in 1963 he described the device to a French technician, who = subsequently reproduced it with tape decks. Riley then called this = device a "time-lag accumulator", and used it on various recordings from = that point. Is that accurate? Not questioning your research, just trying to confirm = whether your research shows that an "Echoplex" device existed first. Is = this the thing that Les Paul is sometimes credited with? What Echoplex = existed in the early 60's, that Terry Riley described... and who named = it "Echoplex"? Signed, Curious! Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Geoff Smith=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 on 27/5/03 4:09 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: At 6:21 PM +0100 5/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote: His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley's first attempts at live looping, = "with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an Echoplex, a primitive = electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated in an ever = accumulating counterpoint against itself" 1 1 p98 Potter, Keith. Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: = Cambridge University Press 2000) Did you confirm this with Terry? When I spoke to him about Mescalin = Mix he said that he used two Wollensack tape decks. Also, in several = conversations with Ramon Sender there was never mention of an Echoplex. No I didn't confirm to this, as the book is so recent and thorough I = though it would be true. However from what u are saying it sounds wrong. = I would however recommend this book as it is the most in depth = resource on the music of Terry Riley that I found. In fact is was one of = the few books I read where I thought that the author had been bothered = to carry out original research into the music of the Minimalists. If you read it or have read it then I would be interested to know what = you think. Cheers=20 Geoff=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3245E.F9FAE100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3
This is an interesting point, to me, = only a novice=20 when it comes to the history of looping.
 
Chapter 3 seems to indicate that Terry = Riley used a=20 device that (someone) was already calling an "Echoplex" in the very = early 60s,=20 and that in 1963 he described the device to a French technician, who=20 subsequently reproduced it with tape decks.  Riley then called this = device=20 a "time-lag accumulator", and used it on various recordings from that=20 point.
 
Is that accurate?  Not questioning = your=20 research, just trying to confirm whether your research shows that an = "Echoplex"=20 device existed first.  Is this the thing that Les Paul is sometimes = credited with?  What Echoplex existed in the early 60's, that Terry = Riley=20 described... and who named it "Echoplex"?
 
Signed,
Curious!
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Geoff Smith
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 = 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Dig if u will my = research=20 paper Chapter 3

on 27/5/03 4:09 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:

At 6:21 PM +0100 5/26/03, Geoff Smith wrote:
His piece Mescalin Mix was Riley's first attempts at = live=20 looping, "with the help of Ramon Sender, he made use of an = Echoplex, a=20 primitive electronic contraption allowing a sound to be repeated = in an=20 ever accumulating counterpoint against itself" 1

1 p98 = Potter,=20 Keith. Four Musical Minimalists (Cambridge: Cambridge = University=20 Press 2000)

Did you confirm this with = Terry? When I=20 spoke to him about Mescalin Mix he said that he used two Wollensack = tape=20 decks. Also, in several conversations with Ramon Sender there was = never=20 mention of an Echoplex.

No I didn't confirm to = this, as=20 the book is so recent and thorough I though it would be true. However = from=20 what u are saying it sounds wrong.
I would however recommend this = book as=20 it is the most in depth resource on the music of Terry Riley that I = found. In=20 fact is was one of the few books I read where I thought that the = author had=20 been bothered to carry out original research into the music of the=20 Minimalists.
If you read it or have read it then I would be = interested to=20 know what you think.

Cheers
Geoff = ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3245E.F9FAE100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 16:32:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RKUDQ14602; Tue, 27 May 2003 16:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:30:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: was " the meaning of loop music" Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:30:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2003 20:30:06.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2DCC4B0:01C3248E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm, with digital recorders being so cheap you could make a little one containing a bit of your music built into your jacket, or attached to a belt. When someone asks what kind of music you do just blast a few moments of it, might save a lot of time :) Will Wright >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: was " the meaning of loop music" >Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:08:25 -0700 > >I agree. You can't define a music by it's tools. Styles are hard to >define, and we've all been down that road before. We know where it goes. >My personal opinion is that names are good, though imperfect. A category >helps people find your music, even if you don't exactly fit in a genera. > >I had a funny time trying to describe my "genera" last week to a >Goth/Industrial DJ I'm friends with. He came back at me with about a 1000 >different sub genres in the Industrial world because he thought I said >"EBM" (electronic body music) when I said, "IDM" (Intelligent Dance Music) >Anyway, his girlfriend and I were reeling after his extensive listing of >what bands fall under what categories and why. Most people don't really >care about specifics that much, but it's useful to have a genera when >describing yourself, unless you can have a boom-box with you at all times >to play a little bit of your music for people when they ask you what your >music sounds like. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 09:35 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > >> >>Kelly Coyle wrote: >> >>"But I don't think "loop music" and "jazz music" are the same type of >>terms. >>"Loop music" and "guitar music" are, though: both describe the tools used >>to >>make it as opposed to what it sounds like." > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 16:40:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RKb3i15290; Tue, 27 May 2003 16:37:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:37:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:36:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2003 20:36:56.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[B72B3010:01C3248F] Resent-Message-ID: <_5h3SB.A.xuD.ux80-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I still want to see someone playing a kaoss pad with their toes. >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig >Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:21:53 -0700 > >Good question! > >I forget not all of us have a guitar equipped with a Sustainiac system. >I'll use a volume pedal (I should have put that in my diagram after guitar) >to swell the vibrating string or chord while I screw with the KAOSS pad >with my right hand. It might make more sense if others put it after the >looper so they can stop playing and just fool around with the loop. I like >to do that too, and sometimes I'll put my AirFX after the EchoPro so I can >do that as well. I also love some of the KAOSS Pad II's synth patches, and >often I'll just play them and not even play guitar for bits. > >For quick set up, I velcro both the KAOSS pad and AirFX to the top of the >EchoPro and connect them before the gig. This way, I just run lines to and >from the amp, plug the guitar into the volume pedal and that into the amp, >and I'm done. I put it all on a keyboard stand next to my amp, which is >usually on a chair or something. Works great. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 10:00 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >>on 5/25/03 1:35 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >> >>>Guitar> Johnson amp>KAOSS Pad>EchoPro>back to the Johnson amp. Setup >>>time: 5-10 minutes. >> >>What do you do to make the KAOSS Pad reasonably accessible while playing >>guitar? >> >>Mark >> > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 16:55:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RKov516716; Tue, 27 May 2003 16:50:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:50:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:50:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's interesting that in the visual arts it's quite common to tell someone that you're going to a "sculpture" show or "photography" show, without telling anything about the style of the work that's being shown. Of course, if you're talking to artists, you'll probably have to give more information than if you weren't. Since we're musicians, it's probably the same thing... other than the fact that saying "looper" won't make too much sense to most people. When asked what kind of music I do I say, "instrumental hip-hop influenced electronica where I'm kind of like a DJ, except I'm performing the sound instead of using a CD or vinyl record." People seem to nod knowingly, but who knows? Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 10:19 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > While "american" is of the type "nationality", we dont quite know of > what type live looping is, since it may not be a style. Geoff claims > its a genre, others called it an artform... but of what type is > "rastaman"? Religion? Nationality? Yet everyone pictures him... > So what I learned here, mainly from Rick, is that we better start to > use a term, even though we dont know its type. > > What matters is that the world gets an ida about what LiveLooping is > about. And for this, its usefull that we use the same term when we use > the technical process as defined pretty exactly by now, so with time > everyone get a feeling for what can come out of it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 16:56:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RKqqg16890; Tue, 27 May 2003 16:52:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:52:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527112016.04ba43a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:54:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper(liveloopinggenre) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:25 AM 5/27/2003, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >Kim writes:- > > > these are all statements defining the process and techniques employed by > > the musician on the creation side. None of them explain for a listener >what > > the result sounds like. That's what you need to do if you are > describing a > > genre of music, you need to explain the characteristics of the result > from > > the listener's perspective. > >Well try asking a few people to describe some music genres. >It's quite rare that someone will give you an easy to grasp simple >description of say, "what makes House different to Techno". >...most of the time you'll get a vague phrase that sort of >describes how it might affect them emotionally, or just >a phrase that they heard given as a definition. Sorry, but that is a cop out. "ordinary people often have trouble defining a genre, so we don't have to do it at all." Following your example, knowledgeable listeners and creators of techno and house can indeed give you quite precise definitions of the characteristics of the two and how they are different (or more likely of sub-genres of the two). That is because there are distinctive characteristics between the two that do make them different, and if you put a little effort to it you can articulate what they are. The same holds for all sorts of other genres and sub-genres of music. If you take a music appreciation class about jazz, you would get a whole lot of characteristics about the various sub-genres and eras of jazz, and you would be able to listen to them and hear the differences. You can clearly articulate specifics that make it one thing or another. People always want to resist the idea of categorizing and defining their own music into genres, but humans naturally do this. Our brains find patterns and put things into categories without our even realizing. So your average dance music listener who can't give you a clear definition of the difference between techno and house almost certainly really does know the difference even if they can't spell it out. Their brains have identified the differing patterns and put one in the techno bucket and one in the house bucket. So if "Live-Looping" is a genre as you guys claim, it must have some characteristics that a listener could identify. I'm challenging you to explain the characteristics that make it so. Personally, I don't see how it is a genre, and that is why I don't think you will ever come up with an answer to that challenge. I assume that is also why you are all avoiding giving any answer in every single post. Looping is a set of techniques and instruments used by musicians in creating many kinds of music. There isn't necessarily any in common characteristics between the resulting music. Looping (or Live-Looping or whatever) does not appear to me to be any more a genre then "Sequencing" or "Sampling" or "Fingerpicking" or "Trumpeting". > > So when you try to claim Live Looping as a genre, I'm still lost as to > what > > you are talking about. I really don't see how regular music listeners can > > understand it either. > >do "regular music listener's" understand any of the other genre terms >though. >new age >>> very simple harmonic sequence and no dynamics, CD lasts 60mins >blues >>> the same chord sequence all night >punk >>> guitarist does all down strokes > >or do they just associate the term with an enjoyable(or "cool") experience Yes, I think regular listeners definitely understand these differences, as I explained above. If you play a punk track and a blues track, they will know exactly which one is which, because their pattern-recognizing brains can find the differences. If you go into the music store, the punk fans will be browsing in the punk section and the blues fans will be browsing in the blues section. They are not wandering randomly through the store, or only going to the section where the most people seem to be. That is because there are clear characteristics separating those two genres, and people can tell what they are. They prefer one genre or the other because of those characteristics, and so they go to that section. Are there such audible characteristics that ordinary listeners can identify about "Live Looping"? Personally I don't see it. The only way you can reach that conclusion is to draw a line around one small group of similar musicians who use Looping techniques and call their music "Looping", and exclude all the others that don't fit. And that is exactly what I think you guys are trying to do. >Well I don't even know if anybodies "claiming Live Looping as a genre", yes, that's pretty explicitly what some people are trying to do! >some of us use it as a descriptive term for our music. Do you use it as a description of the music or of your role in creating it? >At a "Live Looping" gig you will hear sounds that the musician isn't >currently involved in producing, but neverless they appear to be in >control of the sound, shaping it in some way, and adding >to it by the use of their instrument. with that definition I could be in a dance club watching a dj, or at an experimental noise music concert created by people with laptops, or watching the conductor of a symphony. Or watching you with an EDP. It doesn't define the music I'm hearing. >which is probably as good a definition for a type of >music as "jazz" "classical" "rock", and >at least gives you some idea of what the experience will >be like, if not the audio part of the experience no, it's not as good a definition. Defining characteristics of the audio that the listener can identify is exactly what definitions of those other genres of music do. Those musics are not identified by the techniques the musicians use to play their instruments, or at least not exclusively so. They have specific audible characteristics. >If you could describe a piece of music accurately, would >there be any point in listening to it? We're not trying to describe a "piece of music". It's the characteristics of the supposed genre that we are after. >Well, if I don't give my music a name, I won't >be able to promote it, That I agree with. If you guys think you have a common style you want to name and identify yourself with, that's great. I think you have to do that to promote yourself, because humans need that categorization to understand you. But the word "looping" is already widely used by a huge range of musicians to describe their instruments and techniques used in creating their music, not the music itself. The stylistic variations of their music are too wide to fit together in one genre. Trying to call your music "looping" will just cause frustration with listeners who identify the word "looping" with your particular style of music, then go to another concert of "loopers" and get a shock when it sounds like industrial metal or hip hop or some experimental noise instead of your quiet guitar. On the other side, many musicians who use looping techniques in their music will be really frustrated to see that "looping" is suddenly identified with a specific style that has nothing to do with them, or at least that there is one group trying to claim that. Then you will get all sorts of heated debates on internet mailing lists. >so it's > >andybutler--livelooper And as I asked above, is that a description of your music or your role in it? To me it sounds equivalent to saying "andybutler--guitarist" or "andybutler--synthesist" or "andybutler--vocalist". kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 17:09:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RL5WB19263; Tue, 27 May 2003 17:05:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:05:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:05:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:14 PM +0100 5/27/03, Geoff Smith wrote: >No I didn't confirm to this, as the book is so recent and thorough I >though it would be true. However from what u are saying it sounds >wrong. You can never be sure about what people tell you about what happened more than 40 years in the past, and you especially have to be careful about what you believe about someone else's research. I've experience lapses in both areas, and have been guilty of passing along misinformation myself on occasion. I't probably worth double checking this with Terry and Ramon before you publish. >I would however recommend [Keith Potter's] book as it is the most in >depth resource on the music of Terry Riley that I found. I just ordered a copy. Thank for making me aware of it! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 17:20:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RLE9V19936; Tue, 27 May 2003 17:14:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:14:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527141049.02fde508@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:15:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 In-Reply-To: <002201c32488$e94d1100$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:48 PM 5/27/2003, Doug Cox wrote: >This is an interesting point, to me, only a novice when it comes to the >history of looping. > >Chapter 3 seems to indicate that Terry Riley used a device that (someone) >was already calling an "Echoplex" in the very early 60s, and that in 1963 >he described the device to a French technician, who subsequently >reproduced it with tape decks. Riley then called this device a "time-lag >accumulator", and used it on various recordings from that point. > >Is that accurate? Not questioning your research, just trying to confirm >whether your research shows that an "Echoplex" device existed first. Is >this the thing that Les Paul is sometimes credited with? What Echoplex >existed in the early 60's, that Terry Riley described... and who named it >"Echoplex"? Mike Battle made his first Echoplex tape delay prototypes in 1963, according to this post: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=52nksm%24aqu%40casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu I would guess production would have started sometime later, so the dates don't appear to match up quite right. Les Paul's thing was the Les Paulverizer. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 17:27:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RLPRB20949; Tue, 27 May 2003 17:25:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:25:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:25:52 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Mega compact looping rig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 27 May 2003, Will Wright wrote: > I still want to see someone playing a kaoss pad with their toes. As a painter friend of mine commented recently, "there are some things I won't do without a performance art grant." :) obLoop: interesting review of the Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky in the new issue of Tape Op (#35) I got today. I should use mine more often. Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 17:31:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RLT1d21338; Tue, 27 May 2003 17:29:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:29:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527135558.04ba7280@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:30:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030526233224.0319cad0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:55 AM 5/27/2003, Eric Williamson wrote: >first off, i'd like to say that's a pretty cool paper. > >On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 02:04 AM, Kim Flint wrote: >>Stockhausen was also a big influence on very loop oriented groups like >>Can, Tangerine Dream, and Kraftwerk, as well as Eno a bit later. I think >>Can actually used looping with tapes, while Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk >>used analog arpeggiators and sequencers to get similar effects. I think >>all of those went on to have a far bigger influence on loop based music >>today than any of the more academic composers of the sf tape center. That >>krautrock scene, and I think especially Kraftwerk, was a key foundation >>for loop based music like techno, hip hop, new wave rock, etc. > >I feel compelled to point out that i'm not sure about the others you >mentioned, but Klaus Schulze was definitely doing the "time lag >accumulator" looping thing with tape machines. there's actually a picture >here: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/8402.htm it's behind him, in a >road case constructed for the task. ah, well there you go! another influential looper. (if you look carefully, there are actually two decks in the picture side by side, not one as somebody else mentioned.) However, the picture is from 1984 when this sort of thing was more common. Did he use tape loops in his earlier days? >and even though Tangerine Dream namechecks old Karlheinz, Klaus went >ballistic on this journalist when he asked him if Cage, Riley, and >Stockhausen were influences: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/interv/in9704.htm that's funny... It could easily be the case that Stockhausen's ideas and work ethic inspired a community of people around him in germany that went on to create more listenable music and attract others who never knew about Stockhausen at all. so the krautrock types came out of his legacy without necessarily being directly connected to him. that sort of thing happens a lot in music. Look at all the people who's music today is obviously descended from Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream (and Klaus Schulze) and have never heard of them at all. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 17:44:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RLbVj22374; Tue, 27 May 2003 17:37:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:37:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030527213729.74685.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:37:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Tell people its Live-Looping music and people get > it! > they don't question it they look for ways to > understand, > > I have played a lot of people Live-Looping music and > they have all remarked > on how different it is to other music. It's not so different than say Ambient Music which is what most loop based performances and recordings are to me. My girlfriend loves to hear me play and constantly requests that I play some music for her (yes folks I have a rare bird of a girlfriend that enjoys all this loopy stuff). Music is the Keyword here and she is refering to my looping material when she asks me to play. She has no concept of what I am doing, nor does she care because she says it will take the magic out of it if she knew the physics behind it, but she listens with her non-musican ears and enjoys the Music that comes out of my gadgets as she calls 'em :) - She never trys to genreIZE it and just enjoys it for what it is -- in the end it's all just MUSIC :) :) :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 17:52:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RLnhs23631; Tue, 27 May 2003 17:49:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:49:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:49:43 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Dig if u will my research paper In-reply-to: <20030527213729.74685.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <028001c32499$e2102150$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >-- in the end it's all just MUSIC :) :) :) yeah... really, there's only two kinds of music. good music and bad music. of course, i get to decide which is which. just ask me if you are unsure... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 17:57:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RLtW724233; Tue, 27 May 2003 17:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:55:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030527215525.71356.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: genre - style - category To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Matthias Grob wrote: > hm... dictionary... > > I am not sure about genre, but to me, style and > category are not the same. > > Style is rather tradition oriented, its the > "cookbook" for a way to play music. etc I think there's bound to be an inevitable degree of equivocation since we all have different backgrounds and these terms are used in areas other than music. To me, genre and category mean approximately the same thing. Like Matthias, I also think that 'style' differs slightly in meaning, but my interpretation tends towards the other direction; to me, 'style' connotates a combination of personality, affectation, cliche (affinity for or resistance to), habit, talent, imagination, work ethic, individuality, specific personal experiences, genetics and chance. I use the term the way it's often used in the visual arts, but I recognize the way Matthias uses it too... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 18:00:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RLwGE24548; Tue, 27 May 2003 17:58:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:58:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:57:29 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Dig if u will my research paper Message-ID: <2147483647.1054054649@localhost> In-Reply-To: <028001c32499$e2102150$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <028001c32499$e2102150$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147500486==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Music with words, music without words. /Ornette --On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:49 PM -0500 Jim Palmer wrote: >> -- in the end it's all just MUSIC :) :) :) >=20 > yeah... >=20 > really, there's only two kinds of music. > good music and bad music. > of course, i get to decide which is which. > just ask me if you are unsure... >=20 >=20 > =20 --- www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Music with words, music without words.
/Ornette

--On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:49 PM -0500 Jim Palmer <jimp@pobox.com> = wrote:

>> -- in the end it's all just MUSIC :) :) :)
>
> yeah...
>
> really, there's only two kinds of music.
> good music and bad music.
> of course, i get to decide which is which.
> just ask me if you are unsure...
>
>
>  



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www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 18:04:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RM0nj26061; Tue, 27 May 2003 18:00:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:00:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <14e.1f6ffb6f.2c050563@aol.com> References: <14e.1f6ffb6f.2c050563@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:54:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1158049647==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1158049647==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:16 PM -0400 5/27/03, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >you mean he performed solo, or the piece was called solo? ;-) The piece titled "Solo" was for solo melody instrument and tape delay system. >He had a big disc with sound waves drawn on it in the same >way that movies use an optical soundtrack. >This allowed him to speed up a loop so much it eventually became >a tone ( not easy to do well even with digital editing). >A much greater range of pitch than possible with tape loops. Where did you get that information? According to Stockhausen, in Texte IV, p. 365: "...there were loops running everywhere, and you could see it through the glass windows between the studios. Finally I used the fast-forward on the tape recorder to accelerate the tapes so they were already four or five octaves up, then the result went up another four octaves - so then I was up eight octaves - until finally I got into an area where the rhythms were heard as pitches and timbres." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1158049647==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2
At 2:16 PM -0400 5/27/03, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:

you mean he performed solo, or the piece was called solo? ;-)

The piece titled "Solo" was for solo melody instrument and tape delay system.


He had a big disc with sound waves drawn on it in the same
way that movies use an optical soundtrack.
This allowed him to speed up a loop so much it eventually became
a tone ( not easy to do well even with digital editing).
A much greater range of pitch than possible with tape loops.

Where did you get that information?

According to Stockhausen, in Texte IV, p. 365:

"...there were loops running everywhere, and you could see it through the glass windows between the studios. Finally I used the fast-forward on the tape recorder to accelerate the tapes so they were already four or five octaves up, then the result went up another four octaves - so then I was up eight octaves - until finally I got into an area where the rhythms were heard as pitches and timbres."
--

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--============_-1158049647==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 18:13:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RMAw826913; Tue, 27 May 2003 18:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:10:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030527221045.75349.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527135558.04ba7280@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2LiwDC.A.ZkG.xJ-0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > >and even though Tangerine Dream namechecks old > Karlheinz, Klaus went > >ballistic on this journalist when he asked him if > Cage, Riley, and > >Stockhausen were influences: > http://www.klaus-schulze.com/interv/in9704.htm > > that's funny... It could easily be the case that > Stockhausen's ideas and > work ethic inspired a community of people around him > in germany that went > on to create more listenable music and attract > others who never knew about > Stockhausen at all. so the krautrock types came out > of his legacy without > necessarily being directly connected to him. I like how Schulze mentions several times and quited prickly how rather than being influenced by Stockhausen, he was listening to (among others) Pink Floyd. If you read interviews with Floyd's Rick Wright (circa Ummagumma) he seems to go out of his way to name drop Stockhausen as his own biggest influence... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 18:16:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RMDvV27204; Tue, 27 May 2003 18:13:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:13:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030527221351.67263.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:13:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Dig if u will my research paper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1054054649@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "We've got BOTH kinds of music: Country AND Western!" /waitress in honky-tonk bar in 'The Blues Brothers' -t- --- Kelly Coyle wrote: Music with words, music without words. /Ornette --On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:49 PM -0500 Jim Palmer wrote: > really, there's only two kinds of music. > good music and bad music. > of course, i get to decide which is which. > just ask me if you are unsure... > > > --- www.endtimequartet.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 18:17:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RMF2M27312; Tue, 27 May 2003 18:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:15:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:17:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527135558.04ba7280@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 04:30 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > the picture is from 1984 when this sort of thing was more common. Did > he use tape loops in his earlier days? yes. here's another one from '79: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/7903.htm i believe, though, that most of the earlier stuff involves textures derived from 2600-processed Farfisas with their keys held down with weights: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/7602.htm that picture doesn't show the 2600, but it was definitely in use (along with the combo organ) on Timewind and Picture Music. he was pretty low budget early on, it took him awhile to get the Big Moog with it's dual sequencers. > that's funny... It could easily be the case that Stockhausen's ideas > and work ethic inspired a community of people around him in germany > that went on to create more listenable music and attract others who > never knew about Stockhausen at all. so the krautrock types came out > of his legacy without necessarily being directly connected to him. > that sort of thing happens a lot in music. Look at all the people > who's music today is obviously descended from Kraftwerk and Tangerine > Dream (and Klaus Schulze) and have never heard of them at all. yes, i think that's a pretty logical observation. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 18:19:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RMGcr27502; Tue, 27 May 2003 18:16:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:16:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030527221632.11790.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:16:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <02PUcD.A.ltG.FP-0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Geoff Smith wrote: > Call it something and people follow. I'm still in Kim's camp on this debate, but that statement is certainly food for thought! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 18:31:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RMTWe28645; Tue, 27 May 2003 18:29:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:29:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527141049.02fde508@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527141049.02fde508@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:29:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1158047925==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1158047925==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:15 PM -0700 5/27/03, Kim Flint wrote: >Mike Battle made his first Echoplex tape delay prototypes in 1963, >according to this post: > >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=52nksm%24aqu%40casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu > >I would guess production would have started sometime later, so the >dates don't appear to match up quite right. I just called Mike Battle, and while I can't say there's a definitive answer to this question, here's what he told me: Mike and a friend started building tape delay units in the late 1950s, and the units would dribble out to various musicians. It wasn't until 1964 that he received a patent for the Echoplex, but it seems likely that a number of them were in circulation under that name even before that date. I've found references with dates of 1960 and 1962 for the Echoplex. Analog Echoplex fanciers will be happy to know that Mike Battle's new design, the "TubePlex" will be available in numbers at the summer NAMM show in Nashville Here's what Ramon Sender told me about his early exposure to and use of tape systems: If Pauline is referring to feeding one tape through two Wollensaks, the first on record and the second on playback, this set-up was first demonstrated to me by Terry Riley who I think said that he and Lamont Young used it during a dance performance of Anna Halperin's troupe during the period they were the composers involved with her. I then used it for a 'piano canon' performance during a Sonics Concert, if I recall correctly. We're talking the fall-spring of 1961-62? I also had an Echoplex-type machine at the Conservatory that I abused happily during some early tape pieces, until I discovered I could get a more natural echo by recording in the men's bathroom. >Les Paul's thing was the Les Paulverizer. ...which had nothing to do with tape loops. It was just a button mounted on his guitar that enabled him to start and stop a cassette deck with a prerecorded backing tape on it. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1158047925==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3
At 2:15 PM -0700 5/27/03, Kim Flint wrote:

Mike Battle made his first Echoplex tape delay prototypes in 1963, according to this post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=52nksm%24aqu%40casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu
I would guess production would have started sometime later, so the dates don't appear to match up quite right.

I just called Mike Battle, and while I can't say there's a definitive answer to this question, here's what he told me:

Mike and a friend started building tape delay units in the late 1950s, and the units would dribble out to various musicians. It wasn't until 1964 that he received a patent for the Echoplex, but it seems likely that a number of them were in circulation under that name even before that date.

I've found references with dates of 1960 and 1962 for the Echoplex.

Analog Echoplex fanciers will be happy to know that Mike Battle's new design, the "TubePlex" will be available in numbers at the summer NAMM show in Nashville



Here's what Ramon Sender told me about his early exposure to and use of tape systems:

If Pauline is referring to feeding one tape through two Wollensaks,
the first on record and the second on playback, this set-up was first
demonstrated to me by Terry Riley who I think said that he and
Lamont Young used it during a dance performance of Anna Halperin's
troupe during the period they were the composers involved with her.
I then used it for a 'piano canon' performance during a Sonics Concert,
if I recall correctly. We're talking the fall-spring of 1961-62?

I also had an Echoplex-type machine at the Conservatory that I
abused happily during some early tape pieces, until I discovered
I could get a more natural echo by recording in the men's bathroom.


Les Paul's thing was the Les Paulverizer.

...which had nothing to do with tape loops. It was just a button mounted on his guitar that enabled him to start and stop a cassette deck with a prerecorded backing tape on it.
--

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--============_-1158047925==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 19:02:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RMs6Z31020; Tue, 27 May 2003 18:54:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:54:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527143533.02b654a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:55:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music In-Reply-To: <84.11aaab0d.2c03aea4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3VifPB.A.kkH.Oy-0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:53 AM 5/26/2003, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > >>The main people interested in attending are other > >>people who play trumpet, and so most of the > >>audience also consists of trumpeters. > >Not necessarily. funny, you disagree, then give an example the supports me and not you: >I would imagine that not many of the >members of an opera audience actually sing opera. neither would I. Opera is a clear genre of music, not an instrument or technique. When you say you are playing opera people know what you mean because they are familiar with the well established characteristics that make it opera. Fans of opera will come to listen, and the rest of us will leave quickly. >I would also imagine that not all of the folks who are >passionate "guitar music fanatics" even own one >themselves -- perhaps they might be failed "wannabes" >or something, but not necessarily. Really? If I went into the house of one of these hypothetical non-guitar playing guitar music fanatics and examined their cd collections, what will I see? Will I see Andres Segovia and Buckethead and Marty Friedman and Dick Dale and Tuck Andress and Frank Gambale and Leo Kottke and Pat Martino and Roy Buchanan and Steve Vai all piled together? And the kicker, will they own any albums by Yngwie J. Malmsteen? Somehow I doubt it. The only people who will be able to tolerate that wide a variation of styles and self-indulgent guitar playing will be other guitarists. If you mean instead they like one particular music style that relies heavily on guitars, that isn't the point I was making. by "guitar music" I mean any style using a guitar. (or by "loop music" any style using looping) >However, I know many, >many people who avidly follow a style, or pursue a keen >interest in a music created on one particular instrument >or another, simply because that music "speaks" to them >on some level beyond that of other musics. And, most >of them are not even musicians themselves. again, you seem to be confusing the genre with the instruments used. A versatile instrument can appear in a wide variety of music, and very few people's tastes will cross all those boundaries. For example, "Blues" is a very guitar centric style. If one of your non-musician friends tells me they like "guitar music" when in their mind that really means they like Blues, and I say "hey, then you'll really love this album, it's a classic with lots of guitar" and I loan them Slayer's Reign in Blood, I'm certain I'll be getting my cd back very quickly. On the other hand, an avid guitarist, even if they don't like thrash metal, might spend some time analyzing the guitar techniques, harmonies, rhythms, solo phrasing, etc. before giving it back. So far, that's also the way I've seen things work with Looping. >Kim may be ultimately be right in his assertions about >our narrower labeling of "loop music" limiting the technique's >eventual appeal to the broadest possible audience and/or >user base. But the folks with whom it has caught on so >far have tended to be the incorrigible experimenters, >tinkerers and creatively outside-the-box thinkers (whether >they play buzuki, bass, bluegrass, blues . . . or whatever). >I would think that THAT aspect of who the average LD list >member is would be pretty apparent by now. Be very careful with that assumption. The Looper's Delight mailing list has its own peculiar ways of attracting certain types of people and excluding and pushing out everybody else. From behind the scenes I see it a lot. This list makes for an interesting community unto itself, but it is not correct to assume it is representative of loopers as a whole. I consider it a small miracle that I was able to open things up enough so that people who were not just Robert Fripp clones/fanatics joined the list and actually stayed. In the early days you couldn't find a percussionist or dj on this list to save your life. That wasn't because they didn't exist, it was because the Fripp/ambient guitar fans took over first. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 19:04:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RN0Lh00426; Tue, 27 May 2003 19:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c324a3$96c57ce0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527112016.04ba43a8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper(liveloopinggenre) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 23:59:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And as I asked above, is that a description of your music or your role in > it? To me it sounds equivalent to saying "andybutler--guitarist" or > "andybutler--synthesist" or "andybutler--vocalist". > > kim ...put another way - is there such a thing as 'drums music' - is music that features drums a genre? It's instantly recogniseable as music with drums in, it's got a following (I know a lot of drummers who buy CDs based on who the drummer is on it), and there are festivals built around it (Rhythm Sticks in London every year - featuring everything from solo tabla to The Stewart Copeland big band, via gamalan... is it a genre? no. does it work as a marketing tool/catch-all term for promo purposes? yes. you lot are so 'modern' - arguing about this stuff - it's all good - if it works, use it, if it don't work for you, leave it. Gimme the po-mo version - if there's a looping festival, I'm up for playing, if someone asks what I do, I'll say I'm a bassist, who plays solo sometimes - that usually leads onto questions about what on earth I'm doing playing solo bass, so I explain the looping thang... I don't need to describe myself as a looper, unless it's offered to me as a category, and don't really mind either way. having said that, there doesn't really seem to be any pattern to how people connect with what I do - many obviously don't connect with it at all. some like the solo bass angle, some like the looping, others (shock! horror!) actually like the freakin' music and don't care how it's done... it's all good, I tell yer... Semantically, I can't see 'live looping' fitting any common useage of the word Genre. however, if it works for you, go with it. If it gets the press interested in your music, WTF - use it! It doesn't really say anything about the style of the music - what do Andre and Howie Day have in common, other than two legs? I'd say the guitar is probably a stronger link than looping, but either way, the crossover in their audience is going to be based on the broadness of the taste of the listener, not in their love for or loathing of looping.... Geoff made some allusion to qualifying as a live looping artist being based on the amount of looping going on, rather than using it as an effect (my interpretation, perhaps), which seems a little pedantic - does frisell do enough to be classed as a looper? He's looping most of the time, you just can't tell, it's so seemless and so constantly evolving.. looping or no looping? who cares. He doesn't need it to market what he does, or explain what he does, he just does... by all means, discuss where you're coming from, but either way, if it works give it try... If you can find an angle that gets you heard in your town, that's great! And if you can somehow piggy on someone else's work, or do what Rick's done and pitch loads of fairly unconnected artists in a looping festival stylee in a way that seems to work, great. If you hit a ceiling with that, try something else - go with bass festivals, or experimental music festivals, or pop festivals, or 25th anniversary of whatever festivals. It's weird, it seems like you're arguing diametrically opposed views for the same reasoning... Kim's right in one sense, that trying to define what the style of 'live-looping' is will probably result in a view of it as being vaguely new age, vaguely ambient... the sort of stuff that lazy journos describe as 'frippertronics'. However, Rick's all inclusive approach to putting on his festivals is trying to do the same thing - present looping as a very inclusive approach to music, in much the same way that a forward thinking guitar fest will put on some widdly stuff along side an acoustic strummer to show the breadth of what guitar can do... So in one sense you're all pushing in the same direction. big love, Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 19:06:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RN5F000929; Tue, 27 May 2003 19:05:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:05:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:05:57 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music Message-ID: <2147483647.1054058757@localhost> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527143533.02b654a0@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527143533.02b654a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147500486==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I can report that the main part of the Minnesota Guitar Society don't play = guitars (or at least, not very seriously), but seem to have a devotion to = "things that can be done with guitar." Not all the way from Slayer to = Segovia, but they support a pretty eclectic selection of classical, jazz, = and folk music. However, I doubt that they represent even 300 people. A = BAZILLION people come out to the resonator festival they have here, and = only a tiny fraction of them play. I've been to an accordion festival and = don't play. I'd think Kim is right in the main, but not altogether. --On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:55 PM -0700 Kim Flint = wrote: > At 10:53 AM 5/26/2003, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >> >> The main people interested in attending are other >> >> people who play trumpet, and so most of the >> >> audience also consists of trumpeters. >>=20 >> Not necessarily. >=20 > funny, you disagree, then give an example the supports me and not you: >=20 >> I would imagine that not many of the >> members of an opera audience actually sing opera. --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I can report that the main part of the Minnesota Guitar = Society don't play guitars (or at least, not very seriously), but seem to = have a devotion to "things that can be done with guitar." Not all = the way from Slayer to Segovia, but they support a pretty eclectic = selection of classical, jazz, and folk music. However, I doubt that they = represent even 300 people. A BAZILLION people come out to the resonator = festival they have here, and only a tiny fraction of them play. I've been = to an accordion festival and don't play.

I'd think Kim is right in the main, but not altogether.






--On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:55 PM -0700 Kim Flint = <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:

> At 10:53 AM 5/26/2003, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
>> >> The main people interested in attending are other
>> >> people who play trumpet, and so most of the
>> >> audience also consists of trumpeters.
>>
>> Not necessarily.
>
> funny, you disagree, then give an example the supports me and not = you:
>
>> I would imagine that not many of the
>> members of an opera audience actually sing opera.

 --==========2147500486==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 19:10:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RN92P01375; Tue, 27 May 2003 19:09:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:09:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c324a4$d3165b00$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <002201c32488$e94d1100$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: FS - JamMan Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:08:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0yyD-C.A.WV.OA_0-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com got a 32 second jamman for sale, if anyone in the UK is interested - make me an offer I can't refuse... (also FS - SWR interstellar overdrive preamp, EBS Chorus Pedal...) big love Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 19:18:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4RNFjS02279; Tue, 27 May 2003 19:15:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:15:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:15:38 -0700 Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: was " the meaning of loop music" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20B5812B-9099-11D7-BD9C-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and for my wired pals, I just say, "http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/" On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 01:30 PM, Will Wright wrote: > > Hmm, with digital recorders being so cheap you could make a little one > containing a bit of your music built into your jacket, or attached to > a belt. When someone asks what kind of music you do just blast a few > moments of it, might save a lot of time :) > > Will Wright > >> From: Mark Sottilaro >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: was " the meaning of loop music" >> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:08:25 -0700 >> >> I agree. You can't define a music by it's tools. Styles are hard to >> define, and we've all been down that road before. We know where it >> goes. My personal opinion is that names are good, though imperfect. >> A category helps people find your music, even if you don't exactly >> fit in a genera. >> >> I had a funny time trying to describe my "genera" last week to a >> Goth/Industrial DJ I'm friends with. He came back at me with about a >> 1000 different sub genres in the Industrial world because he thought >> I said "EBM" (electronic body music) when I said, "IDM" (Intelligent >> Dance Music) Anyway, his girlfriend and I were reeling after his >> extensive listing of what bands fall under what categories and why. >> Most people don't really care about specifics that much, but it's >> useful to have a genera when describing yourself, unless you can have >> a boom-box with you at all times to play a little bit of your music >> for people when they ask you what your music sounds like. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 09:35 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >> >>> >>> Kelly Coyle wrote: >>> >>> "But I don't think "loop music" and "jazz music" are the same type >>> of terms. >>> "Loop music" and "guitar music" are, though: both describe the tools >>> used to >>> make it as opposed to what it sounds like." >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 20:32:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S0UR509805; Tue, 27 May 2003 20:30:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:30:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c324b0$4e269020$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527141049.02fde508@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:30:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C32486.5DC1B7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C32486.5DC1B7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3Kim - thanks for that = confirmation. I had seen on the web, Mike Battle's name, and dates = ranging from 1960-1963 for the "creation of the Echoplex". Richard - you are an amazingly rich and generous resource! :) Thank you = for calling the man himself. So, then... if Mike Battle starting making prototype 'Plexes in the late = 50's, was he aware of, or involved in, the activities of Riley, = Oliveros, Reich, et. al. at that time? Was it really, as it seems, that = an Echoplex made it into Riley's hands... he explained it to someone... = who implemented the idea in a different way (large tape decks)... which = Riley tagged the "time lag accumulator"... which Riley continued to use = and others used later as live looping devices... sorta like that? Again, curious. Thanks! Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Zvonar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 At 2:15 PM -0700 5/27/03, Kim Flint wrote: Mike Battle made his first Echoplex tape delay prototypes in 1963, = according to this post: = http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=3DUTF-8&safe=3D= off&selm=3D52nksm%24aqu%40casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu I would guess production would have started sometime later, so the = dates don't appear to match up quite right. I just called Mike Battle, and while I can't say there's a definitive = answer to this question, here's what he told me: Mike and a friend started building tape delay units in the late 1950s, = and the units would dribble out to various musicians. It wasn't until = 1964 that he received a patent for the Echoplex, but it seems likely = that a number of them were in circulation under that name even before = that date. I've found references with dates of 1960 and 1962 for the Echoplex. Analog Echoplex fanciers will be happy to know that Mike Battle's new = design, the "TubePlex" will be available in numbers at the summer NAMM = show in Nashville Here's what Ramon Sender told me about his early exposure to and use = of tape systems: If Pauline is referring to feeding one tape through two Wollensaks, the first on record and the second on playback, this set-up was = first demonstrated to me by Terry Riley who I think said that he and Lamont Young used it during a dance performance of Anna Halperin's troupe during the period they were the composers involved with her. I then used it for a 'piano canon' performance during a Sonics = Concert, if I recall correctly. We're talking the fall-spring of 1961-62? I also had an Echoplex-type machine at the Conservatory that I abused happily during some early tape pieces, until I discovered I could get a more natural echo by recording in the men's bathroom. Les Paul's thing was the Les Paulverizer. ...which had nothing to do with tape loops. It was just a button = mounted on his guitar that enabled him to start and stop a cassette deck = with a prerecorded backing tape on it. --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C32486.5DC1B7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3
Kim - thanks for that = confirmation.  I had=20 seen on the web, Mike Battle's name, and dates ranging from 1960-1963 = for the=20 "creation of the Echoplex".
 
Richard - you are an amazingly rich and = generous=20 resource! :)  Thank you for calling the man himself.
 
So, then... if Mike Battle starting = making=20 prototype 'Plexes in the late 50's, was he aware of, or involved in, the = activities of Riley, Oliveros, Reich, et. al. at that time?  Was it = really,=20 as it seems, that an Echoplex made it into Riley's hands... he explained = it to=20 someone... who implemented the idea in a different way (large tape = decks)...=20 which Riley tagged the "time lag accumulator"... which Riley continued = to use=20 and others used later as live looping devices... sorta like = that?
 
Again, curious.
 
Thanks!
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard = Zvonar=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 = 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Dig if u will my = research=20 paper Chapter 3

At 2:15 PM -0700 5/27/03, Kim Flint wrote:

Mike Battle made his first = Echoplex tape=20 delay prototypes in 1963, according to this post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&am= p;oe=3DUTF-8&safe=3Doff&selm=3D52nksm%24aqu%40casaba= .srv.cs.cmu.edu
I would guess production would = have started=20 sometime later, so the dates don't appear to match up quite=20 right.

I just called Mike Battle, and while I can't say there's a = definitive=20 answer to this question, here's what he told me:

Mike and a friend started building tape delay units in the late = 1950s,=20 and the units would dribble out to various musicians. It wasn't until = 1964=20 that he received a patent for the Echoplex, but it seems likely that a = number=20 of them were in circulation under that name even before that = date.

I've found references with dates of 1960 and 1962 for the = Echoplex.

Analog Echoplex fanciers will be happy to know that Mike Battle's = new=20 design, the "TubePlex" will be available in numbers at the summer NAMM = show in=20 Nashville



Here's what Ramon Sender told me about his early exposure to and = use of=20 tape systems:

If Pauline is referring to feeding one tape through two=20 Wollensaks,
the first on record and the second on playback, this = set-up was=20 first
demonstrated to me by Terry Riley who I think said that he = and
Lamont Young used it during a dance performance of Anna=20 Halperin's
troupe during the period they were the composers involved = with=20 her.
I then used it for a 'piano canon' performance during a = Sonics=20 Concert,
if I recall correctly. We're talking the fall-spring of=20 1961-62?

I also had an Echoplex-type machine at the Conservatory = that=20 I
abused happily during some early tape pieces, until I=20 discovered
I could get a more natural echo by recording in the men's=20 bathroom.


Les Paul's thing was the Les=20 Paulverizer.

...which had nothing to do with tape loops. It was just a button = mounted=20 on his guitar that enabled him to start and stop a cassette deck with = a=20 prerecorded backing tape on it.
--=20
=

______________________________________________________________Richard=20 Zvonar, PhD       =
(818)=20 788-2202 =20        =20        =20        =20        =20 =
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------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C32486.5DC1B7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 20:59:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S0vbG12212; Tue, 27 May 2003 20:57:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:57:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c324b4$1cdd8a60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527143533.02b654a0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:57:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But does it really matter if a phrase (in this case "Live Looping") that a group of people take up to describe their approach to live music is really a genre, a style, an approach, a whatever? That only matters if the goal is some sort of hyper-correct linguistics classification. If the goal is to bring attention to a group of musicians and their music, however closely or distantly related their music is defined (by genre), then "Live Looping" can meet that goal as well as any other phrase. It's descriptive of the approach that many of us use: it clearly implies the "live" aspect, which many of us consider important. And then there's "looping". Nice and tidy. :) Another thought I had on the subject of LOOPING as a genre or somesuch: Perhaps we don't have, or aren't looking at, a good historical example of something as powerful and fundamental as live looping tools coming to fruition. For instance, if live looping is viewed as a "media", or the technical approach used in creating your art, is it hard to imagine a parallel to other interesting media, or technical approaches? Is it hard to imagine artists who use, for instance, *electricty* in their work, getting together, using their common theme to promote shows and their work, and actually attracting a group of patrons who are interested in the concept of "electricity in art"? And ultimately, isn't that the goal of these marketing concepts we've been discussing? And just imagine the diversity in their work. Everything from tiny watch mechanisms to giant machines. From light to sound. From heat to movement. I'm in. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 21:03:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S12YU13858; Tue, 27 May 2003 21:02:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:02:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004301c324b0$4e269020$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527141049.02fde508@loopers-delight.com> <004301c324b0$4e269020$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:52:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1158038744==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <2vPTrC.A.ZYD.pqA1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1158038744==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:30 PM -0500 5/27/03, Doug Cox wrote: >So, then... if Mike Battle starting making prototype 'Plexes in the >late 50's, was he aware of, or involved in, the activities of Riley, >Oliveros, Reich, et. al. at that time? I asked him if he'd heard of Terry Riley, but he said not. > Was it really, as it seems, that an Echoplex made it into Riley's >hands... he explained it to someone... who implemented the idea in a >different way (large tape decks)... which Riley tagged the "time lag >accumulator"... which Riley continued to use and others used later >as live looping devices... sorta like that? I talked to Terry on the phone at some length and he never mentioned the Echoplex. He was working with two monophonic Wollensack tape decks circa 1959-60. He made "Mescalin Mix" in 1960 by using one of the decks as a source, with a very long loop os source material (across the room, out the window into the yard, around a wine bottle and back in the window) and used the sound-on sound function of the second deck to layer sounds. He played the resulting piece for the French radio engineer, who then came up with the idea for the two-deck system that became the Time Lag Accumulator. When Terry returned from France he implemented the system on two Revox decks. There is a little confusion about dates in all this, since Ramon and Pauline claim there were some long-delay dual-machine performances circa 1960-61. My suspicion is that this may be true, but that adding the feedback component to the circuit may have come later. Time to talk to them all again? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1158038744==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3
At 7:30 PM -0500 5/27/03, Doug Cox wrote:

So, then... if Mike Battle starting making prototype 'Plexes in the late 50's, was he aware of, or involved in, the activities of Riley, Oliveros, Reich, et. al. at that time?

I asked him if he'd heard of Terry Riley, but he said not.

 Was it really, as it seems, that an Echoplex made it into Riley's hands... he explained it to someone... who implemented the idea in a different way (large tape decks)... which Riley tagged the "time lag accumulator"... which Riley continued to use and others used later as live looping devices... sorta like that?

I talked to Terry on the phone at some length and he never mentioned the Echoplex. He was working with two monophonic Wollensack tape decks circa 1959-60. He made "Mescalin Mix" in 1960 by using one of the decks as a source, with a very long loop os source material (across the room, out the window into the yard, around a wine bottle and back in the window) and used the sound-on sound function of the second deck to layer sounds. He played the resulting piece for the French radio engineer, who then came up with the idea for the two-deck system that became the Time Lag Accumulator. When Terry returned from France he implemented the system on two Revox decks.

There is a little confusion about dates in all this, since Ramon and Pauline claim there were some long-delay dual-machine performances circa 1960-61. My suspicion is that this may be true, but that adding the feedback component to the circuit may have come later. Time to talk to them all again?
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--============_-1158038744==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 21:12:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S1Age14506; Tue, 27 May 2003 21:10:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:10:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527180724.04bd8080@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:12:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper(liveloopinggenre) In-Reply-To: <009801c324a3$96c57ce0$e0154ed5@bigboy> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527112016.04ba43a8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:59 PM 5/27/2003, Steve Lawson wrote: > some like the >solo bass angle, some like the looping, others (shock! horror!) actually >like the freakin' music and don't care how it's done... it's all good, I >tell yer... what about the fashion? that's why I go. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 21:40:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S1YPe16010; Tue, 27 May 2003 21:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ED41220.4040504@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:34:24 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Reply-To: mmccabe@finleysound.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jamman question... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Jq5UB.A.B6D.hIB1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Legion wrote: > > I was looking at the Jamman online manual and am a bit confuse between > "sample' mode and "loop" mode. > > If I understand correctly you can only reverse in Sample mode but you > cannot overdub. IN other words you record something once, reverse it,a nd > if you want to add somethign to it you cant it merely makes a new sample. > > The Loop mode allows you to overdub but doesn't reverse. You are absolutely correct re: your observations on the JamMan's "loop" and "sample" modes. "Sample" mode is a one shot affair. Record your sample, press a button to play it forward or backward. When the sample is finished playing, you have to hit another button to fire the sample again. Matt -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 21:47:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S1eN216450; Tue, 27 May 2003 21:40:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:40:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527183937.045d1140@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:42:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 In-Reply-To: <004301c324b0$4e269020$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527141049.02fde508@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:30 PM 5/27/2003, Doug Cox wrote: > >So, then... if Mike Battle starting making prototype 'Plexes in the late >50's, was he aware of, or involved in, the activities of Riley, Oliveros, >Reich, et. al. at that time? Was it really, as it seems, that an Echoplex >made it into Riley's hands... he explained it to someone... who >implemented the idea in a different way (large tape decks)... which Riley >tagged the "time lag accumulator"... which Riley continued to use and >others used later as live looping devices... sorta like that? I don't know the answer to that, but tape delays were in use long before the Echoplex tape delay. They were used in radio stations well before that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 22:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S27kF20142; Tue, 27 May 2003 22:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:07:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 04:07:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Mega compact looping rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I still want to see someone playing a kaoss pad with their toes. just give me one! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 22:30:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S2Mb821348; Tue, 27 May 2003 22:22:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:22:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527164210.04ba0740@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:24:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music In-Reply-To: References: <20030525200544.93247.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> <20030525200544.93247.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 AM 5/26/2003, Matthias Grob wrote: >Rick established the Live Looping expression and it has been in the press >and its on my new CD, so it does exist, there is no point in fighting >against it. that's an interesting logic. It sounds rather like "we took it for ourselves already, so its too late for the rest of you to have it back." >I see most of the points against calling Live Looping a style or a >category, but what else would you call it, once it came to exist? what else would I call what? I still don't know what this style of music is you are talking about, since you never want to get pinned down and actually describe it! Do you mean what would I call the style of music you specifically play? I think Andre once called it something like "electronic folk" and that sounded pretty accurate to me. I could also see it fitting in the jam band category, like you would fit well on a bill with Kellar Williams or Phish. But Live Looping seems to include everything, so I don't know which style it is supposed to be. >Similarly, not everyone that uses a looping tool plays Live Looping music. >It can aid any category of music. Or maybe some new category can arise >from the use of looping tools for which we may still find names... (I >believe Andre is on such a track) ah I was expecting that one... the lines start getting drawn. Well Andre, sorry Bub. We don't allow your kind in here no more. This here is a loopers only club. Why don't you take yerself back on over across the tracks to Glitchers Delight or wherever it is you people go. Don't make no trouble, now. Kidding aside, not only do you and Andre both play guitar (and both without a pick as I discovered), you both use a single Echoplex for looping, mostly without much other processing, and even use a fairly similar set of Echoplex functions that play an extensive role in your music. There is a lot similar in the tools and instruments used. By looking at that and using Geoff's criteria, you are both in the "Live Looping" genre. Yet the results sound way different. You clearly draw on completely different musical influences, backgrounds, educations, perspectives, experiences, etc. In fact I really don't see how anybody can listen to both and say it is the same genre of music. You obviously feel the same since you are trying to draw a line between what you do and what Andre does. That makes sense really, since both of you together is really quite a contrast, and probably more than what the typical listener is going to follow except as a novelty. You should be putting yourself in a different category if you are trying to market yourself successfully. It's quite a contradiction. The commonalities between you two are guitar and heavy use of a looper. (and two legs.) One claim from Geoff is that using those tools puts you both in the "Live Looping" genre. Yet, listening makes that hard to believe, and indicates you should really be in different musical genres as you suggest. If you are in different genres, and we still claim that "Live Looping" is a genre, only one of you gets to be in it. Which one? Andre or Matthias? Do we take a vote on it, or maybe have an arm wrestling match? Or we say that "Live Looping" is not really a genre, but a set of tools and techniques that can be applied to many styles. Then you and Andre both get to be Live Loopers still, since it only describes how you make music and nothing about the musical results. Then you can go about plugging your music in whatever genre the public understands. >But most musicians that build the music live on looping tools share some >boundaries. The so far existing looping technologies imply some musical >form and help some ways to express more than others. well, I keep asking what those characteristics are... still waiting. >For example: no Live Looping piece starts full blast, since we have to >build it up. It hardly changes tonality wildly or contains complex breaks... OK, that's interesting, but seems really easy to contradict, and hardly sufficient for defining a genre. Plenty of people mix live looping with bands, or pre-recorded loops on their repeaters or samplers or laptops, or combine live looping with sequencers and such. They can start "full blast" and yet still do substantial amounts of looping. They can have complex breaks or tonal shifts just by using multiple loops and NextLoop or midi trigger functions. Andre's widely admired Disruption Theory album starts full blast on many tracks and has plenty of sudden breaks. So does Amy Neuburg. Are they not "Live Loopers"? There also seems to be an implied requirement of being a soloist. Does "Live Looping" exclude groups and bands that include loopers, and assume soloists only? That bias is evident at the loop festivals I've attended, aside from the first one Hans put on. I see bands playing around town a lot with loopers, but not at "looping festivals" for some reason. Are they not allowed? At best there is group playing when two or more of the soloists decide to spontaneously jam, which is nice, but they are still obviously soloists first. >But I dont see a problem: Nobody ever claimed that looping music is a name >for anyone using a loop tool, nor should we be afraid that musicians turn >away from the tool, thinking that it only serves for certain styles. I've seen that happen, so I do fear it. >The richness of what has been shown to the public so far grants for that. >(What we do here in Sweden is not ambient at all :-). >Creative minds will always hear their way of using a tool and not care >whether its within some boundaries or not. Now you switched to addressing the user/musician side, in other words, dealing with live looping as a musical instrument and technique again and whether musicians can see how to use it. Probably they can. However, this whole discussion is about the supposed "live looping" genre, and therefore the listener perspective of the music, not the musician's. One of the concerns I have raised is not whether creative musicians can figure it out, but whether they will stay away from it because the public perception of "looping" is tied to one specific style of music that they don't want to be associated with. The other concern, or doubt really, is whether the public can understand "Live Looping" as a genre at all when all the music made under that banner is so different. I still don't understand how it makes sense to promote your music as "Live Looping" when even you guys can't seem to define what that means. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 22:37:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S2Zf022434; Tue, 27 May 2003 22:35:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:35:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527173046.030d67a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:35:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527002245.034fd008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030527002245.034fd008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:19 AM 5/27/2003, Matthias Grob wrote: >Kim said, after a lot more good stuff: >>Yet, when somebody hands me their cd and tells me they are a looper and >>they want me to hear their looping music, I still have absolutely no idea >>what it will sound like! The stylistic results people come up with when >>using looping are all over the map. > >I certainly can understand your questioning Kim! so maybe I can get some answers to them? >but its somehow like saying that "american" is a useless term I didn't follow that example, sorry, it didn't seem to relate neatly. Wouldn't it be simpler to directly respond instead of bringing up tangential examples? >What matters is that the world gets an ida about what LiveLooping is about. so when they want to know what it sounds like, what are you going to tell them? >And for this, its usefull that we use the same term when we use the >technical process as defined pretty exactly by now, so with time everyone >get a feeling for what can come out of it. is it useful? That's exactly what I've been saying is so confusing. Why do listeners care what the technical process is? >>So when you try to claim Live Looping as a genre, I'm still lost as to >>what you are talking about. > >and if you hear "jazz", you know? yes. I'm not yet so great at identifying all the sub-genres, and I'm not so anal as Wynton, but overall, yes. >>I really don't see how regular music listeners can understand it either. > >right, we need to try to show them. Well, it is music so they should hear it rather than see it. So what exactly is it that they will hear? How will they understand it? >>Certainly you can explain to them about the looping techniques and >>devices the musicians are using, and maybe they will find that a bit >>interesting in an educational way. > >very true, we have that all on LD. which would be completely boring to most non-musician listeners, that was the point there. >>But that isn't describing the music, and ultimately people go to listen >>to music not the musician's technique. > >Thats what we want to start LiveLooping.com for. The point was, that describing something by the technique used will not help promote, only confuse. Is that not so? how is your website going to solve any of this if you can't articulate it here? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 22:50:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S2kGq23384; Tue, 27 May 2003 22:46:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:46:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030527205217.00882630@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:52:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper(liveloopinggenre) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527180724.04bd8080@loopers-delight.com> References: <009801c324a3$96c57ce0$e0154ed5@bigboy> <5.1.1.6.2.20030527112016.04ba43a8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-BJZk.A.QtF.4LC1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com woohoo! Tell me about it!, yeah!, the jacket really does it for me!!! *sigh* *swoon* Smiles, Cara At 06:12 PM 5/27/03 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:59 PM 5/27/2003, Steve Lawson wrote: >> some like the >>solo bass angle, some like the looping, others (shock! horror!) actually >>like the freakin' music and don't care how it's done... it's all good, I >>tell yer... > >what about the fashion? that's why I go. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 00:15:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S4Dts00930; Wed, 28 May 2003 00:13:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:13:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c324cf$e3f1a300$c3ac958d@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <009801c324a3$96c57ce0$e0154ed5@bigboy> <5.1.1.6.2.20030527112016.04ba43a8@loopers-delight.com> <3.0.5.32.20030527205217.00882630@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: 3 points - live vs's recorded, looping origin, and looping as genre Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:16:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.149.172.195] at Tue, 27 May 2003 23:13:48 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have 2 points I'd like to raise: 1) It may be helpful to distinguish between live looping and recorded looping as they are (only) as different as live vs. recorded music. 2) Looping is a musical technique as old as music itself. 3) Available technology creates musical genres -- specifically and directly. 1) Live looping and recorded looping are (only) as different as live vs. recorded music. Potentially definitions of looping need to deal, and possibly distinguish between looping in live and recorded situations. Today, recording technology allows for musical elements to become repeated literally with cut and paste simplicity. It's valid, it's cool. I love it. Isn't it looping too? And if so, maybe it's good enough to just distinguish between "realtime" looping and "recorded" loops. My points 2 & 3 partially explains why. 2) Looping is a musical technique as old as music itself With so many posts on the "origin of loop music" flying by, this point may already have been made -- and if so, please excuse the repetition -- but the idea of musical motifs repeating in some fashion has been standard practice in all music, pretty much always. Either an individual repeated something him/herself (perhaps a chorus or melody), or others would repeat a motif (flute plays theme, violin plays theme etc., in an orchestra). The "technique" of repetition in a song can be executed by an individual, as he or she sequentially repeats elements/motifs/choruses. A song structure provides the architecture of the loop itself. The "technique" of repetition in music created by multiple players can be both sequential AND parallel, as elements can be executed at different times by different individual in the ensemble. Composers loop motifs all the time, and they use the "technology" of an orchestra to execute repeated themes. OK -- so, if you accept this idea, looping as a musical technique is as old as music itself. Whoop-di-doo. What we here on L-D commonly talk about as looping is the ability for one individual, in real-time and in live performance, to create and repeat musical motifs in series AND in parallel. He or she can operate solo or in an ensemble, but what they create they can realtime working in series and parallel. Yer Cage's and Stockhausen's used orchestra's to do this. Then they used tape to accomplish this. And the technology that enables looping has certainly evolved. And today we have our Reason's, EDP's and the like. These allow folks to create and repeat musical motifs in series AND in parallel. 3) Available technology influences the musical genres specifically and directly. - In a nutshell, if they hadn't figured out how to cast iron to a certain level of strength, they could not have "invented" the Piano. - Without the trumpet, there would be created no music specifically for trumpet. - No electricity, no Marshall amp and Jimi Hendrix would have created different music altogether. I agree with Kim's basic point: that if he is given a CD of music said to contain "looping" he has no idea what style of music is on the CD. However, without the invention of the "amplifier" we'd not have any "Rock Music," itself another term describing another rather amorphous genre of music. Indeed, an amplifier isn't an "instrument" in the traditional sense (an interface tool designed to control the creation of sounds across the variables of pitch and time). But take away all amplification, and you would not have the "Rock" genre. So too today's tools and technology like tape-delays, EDP's and Reason enable a kind/genre/style of music we can call "loop-based" -- and that the musical diversity under the banner doesn't negate the validity of the banner. Phew! That's enough from me. I'll let you guys point out all the holes in my logic. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper(liveloopinggenre) > woohoo! Tell me about it!, yeah!, the jacket really does it for me!!! > *sigh* *swoon* > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 06:12 PM 5/27/03 -0700, you wrote: > >At 03:59 PM 5/27/2003, Steve Lawson wrote: > >> some like the > >>solo bass angle, some like the looping, others (shock! horror!) actually > >>like the freakin' music and don't care how it's done... it's all good, I > >>tell yer... > > > >what about the fashion? that's why I go. > > > >kim > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 03:54:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S7psX17552; Wed, 28 May 2003 03:51:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 03:51:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Time Lag Accumulator Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:55:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard wrote, > He played the resulting piece for the French radio engineer, who then came up with the idea for the two-deck system that became the Time Lag Accumulator. yes, this is also what Pauline Oliveros told me when we talked about that topic a while ago. She said that the original idea for the loop with two machines (Timelag Accumulator, later known as Frippertronics) came from some engineer whose name she didn't remember. What is a loop anyway? Maybe this has been said before: We should make a clear distinction here ... the word 'loop' is used to describe 1) static, closed tape loops which typically don't evolve (today we would say: samples, or loops in the DJ sense), but also 2) open, evolving loops with continuous input, like Terry Riley's system, based on tape echo units or two tape recorders, later growing into analog and digital echo/loop machinery. Of course, static tape loops are loops too in the most basic sense, but I'd say that all of our talk about Loop music and Livelooping refers to the use of the second, more complex kind of loops. = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music "Many would never speak with a full mouth, but do it with an empty head." (Orson Welles) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 04:49:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S8lHi22476; Wed, 28 May 2003 04:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 04:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030528084711.2410.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 01:47:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Defining loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am sure my definition is not the best ,but when i say a world percussionist who create live loops is coming to town in july has been until now clearly understood and worked to get attention.At first i said a "percussionist looper" and it wasn´t clearly understood. Now if i had describe Rick as a green hair percussionist coming who plays with himeself wouldn´t be fair either,would it? Just kidding brother:-) Louie > It's interesting that in the visual arts it's quite > common to tell > someone that you're going to a "sculpture" show or > "photography" show, > without telling anything about the style of the work > that's being > shown. Of course, if you're talking to artists, > you'll probably have > to give more information than if you weren't. Since > we're musicians, > it's probably the same thing... other than the fact > that saying > "looper" won't make too much sense to most people. > > When asked what kind of music I do I say, > "instrumental hip-hop > influenced electronica where I'm kind of like a DJ, > except I'm > performing the sound instead of using a CD or vinyl > record." People > seem to nod knowingly, but who knows? > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 10:19 AM, Matthias > Grob wrote: > > > > > While "american" is of the type "nationality", we > dont quite know of > > what type live looping is, since it may not be a > style. Geoff claims > > its a genre, others called it an artform... but of > what type is > > "rastaman"? Religion? Nationality? Yet everyone > pictures him... > > So what I learned here, mainly from Rick, is that > we better start to > > use a term, even though we dont know its type. > > > > What matters is that the world gets an ida about > what LiveLooping is > > about. And for this, its usefull that we use the > same term when we use > > the technical process as defined pretty exactly by > now, so with time > > everyone get a feeling for what can come out of > it. > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 06:02:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S9xiN28696; Wed, 28 May 2003 05:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 05:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c324ff$e9acc420$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <009801c324a3$96c57ce0$e0154ed5@bigboy> <5.1.1.6.2.20030527112016.04ba43a8@loopers-delight.com> <3.0.5.32.20030527205217.00882630@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper - Elephant semantics Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:59:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been following this semantic discussion for the past couple of days. I believe we are a group divided by elephants :) [read on :] To me I kind of think as looping as the *act* of construction, kind of like some form of [sonic] developer. Some people design / build schools, some sky scrapers, some garden furniture. If I said baldly to someone 'I am an architect and constructor', they'd have no idea of what I design and build but they would have an idea of the basic job that I undertake. If I say that I am a 'live' constructing architect they might expect me to design and construct a small bird table, a lean-to extension or a 48 storey office block while they look on. I therefore agree with the premise that looping defines the action but stops short of full information. In my case I would say I am a (nascent) looping percussionist, I would define 'percussive looping' as a genre because it contains two pieces of meaningful information (how / what). Adding in live, while setting out the environment in which the act takes place, still doesn't help tie it down totally but it adds useful information. I doubt that any of the musics played by the musicians here can be fixed in a couple of words so that it would require no further explanation to the unfamiliar audience. Individual tracks maybe can be defined to the artist's satisfaction but stylistically I doubt anyone of us is totally happy with a single word definition of what we do. Evelyn Glennie is a percussionist, I am a percussionist, she plays marimba I don't (not can't), I play Lambeg, she doesn't (not can't :) but when I say to someone I am a percussionist they conjure up their personal semantic image of what a percussionist is, percussion is a relatively well-defined thing and will have associated semantics for everyone.. If I say 'visualise an elephant' do you get an image? I'll bet you didn't have to run thru a checklist... large grey animal with huge ears, a trunk, tusks and a tiny wee tail, I bet you just saw an elephant intact. That's the beauty of semantics, we all have our own images and viewpoints based on our own experiences/ knowledge/ understanding and that's what I see happening in this thread. We all participate on LD within our own semantic understanding of what looping is (I do anyway). Whenever someone, anyone tries to give an absolute definition then that will challenge existing perception, supported by some but running counter to some / many / all others' definitions, ergo this long thread. 'Live looping' to me is the act of looping in a performance or one-shot environment where the loops are generated in-the-moment rather than in-the-studio. It clearly cannot hope to give any indication of the instrumentation or the style of music so I would argue that it needs qualified to give it meaning to the semantic understanding of the potential audience. In the case of Rick's work, I have found in my explanations regarding the forthcoming gig, it exceeds musical definition. Rick to me is a live 'stuff' looper. I would liken the definition of the noun 'looper' to 'student' or 'mechanic', the verb 'to loop' may be likened to any action, trade or industry eg carpentry, shop keeping, manufacturing, all have different types / levels within their definition but we 'know' semantically what happens broadly in each instance . Looping could be a genre if we can accept turntablism as a genre or live sampling & playback however I think it is perhaps contrived to shoehorn it in such a manner and it still says nothing of style. It is a tool or an activity that is only bound by the limits of technology and creativity. I applaud Geoff for the work that he put into his paper, I haven't read the full text yet but from the bits I have read, I have found it extremely interesting and enlightening. Almost every paper will have its opponents and proponents, I don't know enough about looping history to make that decision, so I support it in spite of my own ignorance because it gives me oodles of new information. I am enriched. I'm enjoying following the discussion. I doubt if this wee contribution will add terribly. Looking forward to ...erm....Live looping with Rick on 13 June in Belfast. Bing bang bong...gnob gnab gnib...g n o b g n a b g n i b...b i n g b a n g b o n g (Ok so I only have a DL-4 :) LOL Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For May 2003** Rhythmweb http://rhythmweb.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 06:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SA6Yl29243; Wed, 28 May 2003 06:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 06:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: the meaning of loop music Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:06:32 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <002f01c32500$d0598020$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <005b01c324b4$1cdd8a60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > But does it really matter if a phrase (in this case "Live > Looping") that a group of people take up to describe their > approach to live music is really a genre, a style, an > approach, a whatever? Good point IMHO. Personally I have had this vision, since 25 years, of a music I would like to make. I've never come as close to my dream as I do now by using loopers when improvising live. Guess that's "Live Looping" for me. > Perhaps we don't have, or aren't looking at, a good > historical example of something as powerful and fundamental > as live looping tools coming to fruition. Another interesting thought! Some days ago Matthias and I improvised with a Swedish "noise musician" at a club. Afterwards a guy in the audience asked me what we were doing, by technical specification. He said he could hear pretty well how Matthias was fading loops in and out (although he did understand how he got his guitar sound by polyphonic distortion) as our group improvisation went on for an hour or so. But he said he had not been able to understand the techniques I was using, although he liked the music. So I told him about looping, reversing, multiplying, truncating, destructive SUSinsert (dropping in 16ths, 128ths or whatever), unquantised and unrounded inserting (not in replace mode - hope I get the terminology right?), running two loopers synced while manipulating tempo sync to achieve polyrhythmic, EDP half speed, Repeater real time pitch change and time stretch etc etc.... Then the guy simply said: "Aha, I see. It's just what Bach did with pen and paper, but you guys are doing it in real time and you don't need an orchestra to hear it." Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival, May 16 to June 4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 07:12:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SBADX02013; Wed, 28 May 2003 07:10:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:10:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 06:10:45 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Message-ID: <2147483647.1054102244@localhost> In-Reply-To: <00ab01c324ff$e9acc420$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> References: <009801c324a3$96c57ce0$e0154ed5@bigboy> <5.1.1.6.2.20030527112016.04ba43a8@loopers-delight.com> <3.0.5.32.20030527205217.00882630@pop.earthlink.net> <00ab01c324ff$e9acc420$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==========2147500486==========" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In literature, at least, they've been trying to make the concept of "genre" = work forever, and, in the main, failed utterly. Anytime someone tries to = list a set of formal qualities that define a particular genre of story the = whole project kind of vaporizes into dribbly nothingness. Everyone can = agree that THESE stories are obviously westerns, and THESE are obviously = mysteries, but as soon as one is forced to say how one knows that, things = get pretty blurry, in part because the good ones (not the good examples, = but the ones that are wonderful books) tend to mess with the genre = conventions. The concept has been useful in a couple of ways, though. First (and more = trivially), there's the marketing aspect of these terms. If you like Louis = L'amore, you might like Zane Grey. So if I want to sell Zane Grey, I may = want to associate him with Louis L'amore. But if you like L'amore, you = probably won't automatically like Max Brand, so there's limitations to = this. Best to think of it (as someone more or less said earlier) as a kind = of rhetorical strategy (my field is rhetoric). This use is just a question = of where you shelve a text so that people who might want to buy it will see = it. Another useful application of genre has been the idea of a context for = reading, coming out of the reader-response school of criticism. One reads = the movie "Memory" in the context of detective fiction, and many of the = riffs in the movie are enriched by that association. Is "Memory" a = detective movie? Doesn't matter -- it isn't about the qualities of the = movie, it's about the community from which the movie is viewed. (I hope = that made sense.) A "literate" reader of science fiction will see a whole = different "Matrix Reloaded" than an expert on action-adventure films. Both = valid experiences (they all are), but very different ones. Neither of these approaches depends much on any particular qualities of the = text that is read. You CAN read the Matrix as a romance or a western, it's = just liable to not be a very good one. And you can market it as a romance = or a western, but people might be disappointed when they get there if the = reading strategy they bring to it isn't satisfying. Having said all that (and reaching way back into my former academic = incarnation), for the subject at hand both approaches here work: you label = your music to sell it to someone, and listeners can hear your music from a = variety of contexts. In that sense, then, "looping" could well be a genre. = I expect when Kim hears music involving loop gear, he "hears" the use of = the loop gear, and hears the music in terms of that vast experience with = music involving loops. Then the music is innovative and surprising, or same = old same old, AS AN EXAMPLE OF LOOPING. The fact that the music could ALSO = be heard as ambient (whatever) is just another place to hear it from, in = the context of other ambient music. Most people aren't pure like this of = course: simply, you hear music in the context of your experience, and = "genre" used in this way describes a set of experiences shared by a = community of listeners. So that the formal qualities of the generic music, = what Kim seems to be fishing for, aren't really the important thing. It's = what the listeners bring to the table. Too early. I hope that made some sense. --- www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486========== Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In literature, at least, they've been trying to make the = concept of "genre" work forever, and, in the main, failed = utterly. Anytime someone tries to list a set of formal qualities that = define a particular genre of story the whole project kind of vaporizes into = dribbly nothingness. Everyone can agree that THESE stories are obviously = westerns, and THESE are obviously mysteries, but as soon as one is forced = to say how one knows that, things get pretty blurry, in part because the = good ones (not the good examples, but the ones that are wonderful books) = tend to mess with the genre conventions.

The concept has been useful in a couple of ways, though. First (and more = trivially), there's the marketing aspect of these terms. If you like Louis = L'amore, you might like Zane Grey. So if I want to sell Zane Grey, I may = want to associate him with Louis L'amore. But if you like L'amore, you = probably won't automatically like Max Brand, so there's limitations to = this. Best to think of it (as someone more or less said earlier) as a kind = of rhetorical strategy (my field is rhetoric). This use is just a question = of where you shelve a text so that people who might want to buy it will see = it.

Another useful application of genre has been the idea of a context for = reading, coming out of the reader-response school of criticism. One reads = the movie "Memory" in the context of detective fiction, and many = of the riffs in the movie are enriched by that association. Is = "Memory" a detective movie? Doesn't matter -- it isn't about the = qualities of the movie, it's about the community from which the movie is = viewed. (I hope that made sense.) A "literate" reader of science = fiction will see a whole different "Matrix Reloaded" than an = expert on action-adventure films. Both valid experiences (they all are), = but very different ones.

Neither of these approaches depends much on any particular qualities of the = text that is read. You CAN read the Matrix as a romance or a western, it's = just liable to not be a very good one. And you can market it as a romance = or a western, but people might be disappointed when they get there if the = reading strategy they bring to it isn't satisfying.

Having said all that (and reaching way back into my former academic = incarnation), for the subject at hand both approaches here work: you label = your music to sell it to someone, and listeners can hear your music from a = variety of contexts. In that sense, then, "looping" could well be = a genre. I expect when Kim hears music involving loop gear, he = "hears" the use of the loop gear, and hears the music in terms of = that vast experience with music involving loops. Then the music is = innovative and surprising, or same old same old, AS AN EXAMPLE OF LOOPING. = The fact that the music could ALSO be heard as ambient (whatever) is just = another place to hear it from, in the context of other ambient music. Most = people aren't pure like this of course: simply, you hear music in the = context of your experience, and "genre" used in this way = describes a set of experiences shared by a community of listeners. So that = the formal qualities of the generic music, what Kim seems to be fishing = for, aren't really the important thing. It's what the listeners bring to = the table.

Too early. I hope that made some sense.

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www.endtimequartet.com --==========2147500486==========-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 07:13:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SBBus02100; Wed, 28 May 2003 07:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:11:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054120219!27952 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB0A4@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Mega compact looping rig Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:09:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32509.9C3099B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32509.9C3099B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I still want to see someone playing a kaoss pad with their toes.<< I'm sure there's another list for people like you.... :-) *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32509.9C3099B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Mega compact looping rig

>>I still want to see someone playing a kaoss pad with their toes.<<

I'm sure there's another list for people like you.... :-)



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32509.9C3099B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 07:26:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SBOw902973; Wed, 28 May 2003 07:24:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:24:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054120552!29483 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB0A5@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Jamman question... Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:15:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3250A.626E6AD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3250A.626E6AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>"Sample" mode is a one shot affair. Record your sample, press a button to play it forward or backward. When the sample is finished playing, you have to hit another button to fire the sample again.<< the sample can also be triggered by incoming audio to occasional good effect. I'm pretty sure that the idea was that you'd record a phrase and then trigger it by playing another phrase over it; we never made this work because the hysteresis was all wrong in the trigger circuit and the sample would stutter if there was any sustain on the incoming signal. favoured mode on our jam-men is the syncopated delay mode w/ plenty feedback. I'm going to bolt the two jam-men together and see if I can't rig the pair to have some sort of undo function without installing bob sellon's upgrade. I fear that too many new functions would make our guitarist's head hurt. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3250A.626E6AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Jamman question...

>>"Sample" mode is a one shot affair.&nbs= p; Record your
sample, press a button to play it forward or backward.&n= bsp; When the sample
is finished playing, you have to hit another button to f= ire the sample
again.<<

the sample can also be triggered by incoming audio to occ= asional good effect. I'm pretty sure that the idea was that you'd record a = phrase and then trigger it by playing another phrase over it; we never made= this work because the hysteresis was all wrong in the trigger circuit and = the sample would stutter if there was any sustain on the incoming signal.

favoured mode on our jam-men is the syncopated delay mode= w/ plenty feedback. I'm going to bolt the two jam-men together and see if = I can't rig the pair to have some sort of undo function without installing = bob sellon's upgrade. I fear that too many new functions would make our gui= tarist's head hurt.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3250A.626E6AD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 07:34:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SBVUZ03508; Wed, 28 May 2003 07:31:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:31:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1ef.9c8f991.2c05f808@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:31:20 EDT Subject: Re: Dig if u will Stockhausen device To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >He had a big disc with sound waves drawn on it in the same > >way that movies use an optical soundtrack. > >This allowed him to speed up a loop so much it eventually became > >a tone ( not easy to do well even with digital editing). > >A much greater range of pitch than possible with tape loops. > > Where did you get that information? > > According to Stockhausen, in Texte IV, p. 365: > > "...there were loops running everywhere, and you could see it through > the glass windows between the studios. Finally I used the > fast-forward on the tape recorder to accelerate the tapes so they > were already four or five octaves up, then the result went up another > four octaves - so then I was up eight octaves - until finally I got > into an area where the rhythms were heard as pitches and timbres." > -- sorry Richard, don't have a ref. for that, and as Norwich Library burnt down a few years back don't think I'll ever find it :-( I reckon that the section in Kontakte sweeps down about 7or 8 Octave (near start of second track on CD) and when it reaches a pulse of about 2 Hz . It does so continuously and smoothly. That would be consistant with the use of the wheel device. ...or a specially modified tape deck(i suppose) Maybe I heard/read the description of the device and made the wrong connection, but I'm sure I heard of it in connection with KH, and it's certainly the "sort of thing he would have had" As a looping device I think it's pretty cool. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 07:39:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SBba303918; Wed, 28 May 2003 07:37:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:37:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054121823!31202 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB0A6@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Time Lag Accumulator Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:36:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3250D.56140120" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3250D.56140120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>the word 'loop' is used to describe 1) static, closed tape loops which typically don't evolve (today we would say: samples, or loops in the DJ sense), but also 2) open, evolving loops with continuous input, like Terry Riley's system, based on tape echo units or two tape recorders, later growing into analog and digital echo/loop machinery.<< my own experience with loops and delays made with 1/4" machines suggests that such a distinction is useful only to the uninitiated. I used to make loops of wildly different lengths for my ferrograph tape deck, occasionally using a cassette-device that bolted onto the deck and held a much larger loop of around four minutes of special back-coated 1/4" tape (very much like a NAB cart without the box). I also used to run tape off the end of the ferrograph and through either a second ferrograph or an EMI L4 (anyone remember them?) for a long delay effect. we quickly discovered that this was the fripp approach and that it could result in "almost infinite" repeat (my english teacher would have a fit if she saw that...). this all was in 1978-9 and without any foreknowledge of how riley or fripp achieved same. so I guess any engineer or sufficiently tech-savvy musician would stumble on the technique, and to attribute inventorship status to any one of them is as truly redundant as claiming to have discovered microtonality or something. (p.s. mellotrons don't inherently have loops of tape in them. it is possible to fit loops though.) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>the word 'loop' is used to describe 1) static,
closed tape loops which typically don't evolve (today we= would say: samples,
or loops in the DJ sense), but also 2) open, evolving lo= ops with continuous
input, like Terry Riley's system, based on tape echo uni= ts or two tape
recorders, later growing into analog and digital echo/lo= op machinery.<<

my own experience with loops and delays made with 1/4&quo= t; machines suggests that such a distinction is useful only to the uninitia= ted. I used to make loops of wildly different lengths for my ferrograph tap= e deck, occasionally using a cassette-device that bolted onto the deck and = held a much larger loop of around four minutes of special back-coated 1/4&q= uot; tape (very much like a NAB cart without the box). I also used to run t= ape off the end of the ferrograph and through either a second ferrograph or= an EMI L4 (anyone remember them?) for a long delay effect. we quickly disc= overed that this was the fripp approach and that it could result in "a= lmost infinite" repeat (my english teacher would have a fit if she saw= that...).

this all was in 1978-9 and without any foreknowledge of h= ow riley or fripp achieved same. so I guess any engineer or sufficiently te= ch-savvy musician would stumble on the technique, and to attribute inventor= ship status to any one of them is as truly redundant as claiming to have di= scovered microtonality or something.

(p.s. mellotrons don't inherently have loops of tape in t= hem. it is possible to fit loops though.)

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3250D.56140120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 07:46:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SBjVc04342; Wed, 28 May 2003 07:45:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:45:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12.312d3225.2c05fb50@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:45:20 EDT Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > long-delay dual-machine performances > circa 1960-61. Stockhausen had a system that only needed one deck. Used a tape loop, and changed the order of the heads to playback>>erase>>record Which is probably described in the same book as the one with the photoelectric disc. Which I probably read about 20 years ago. andybutler--nonacademic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 07:59:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SBtb805146; Wed, 28 May 2003 07:55:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:55:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <112.23b9bbd1.2c05fdb3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:55:31 EDT Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper(liveloopinggenre) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim > At 05:25 AM 5/27/2003, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > >Kim writes:- > > > > > these are all statements defining the process and techniques employed by > > > the musician on the creation side. None of them explain for a listener > >what > > > the result sounds like. That's what you need to do if you are > > describing a > > > genre of music, you need to explain the characteristics of the result > > from > > > the listener's perspective. > > > >Well try asking a few people to describe some music genres. > >It's quite rare that someone will give you an easy to grasp simple > >description of say, "what makes House different to Techno". > >...most of the time you'll get a vague phrase that sort of > >describes how it might affect them emotionally, or just > >a phrase that they heard given as a definition. > > Sorry, but that is a cop out. "ordinary people often have trouble defining > a genre, so we don't have to do it at all." It would be a cop out if I said that, ............................which I didn't ;-) > > Following your example, knowledgeable listeners and creators of techno and > house can indeed give you quite precise definitions of the characteristics > of the two and how they are different (or more likely of sub-genres of the > two). Yes, I've heard this done and was amazed how closely defined those dance genres are, and how one genre can change into another just by shifting up a notch on the BPM. (although the same person reckoned that "Goa Trance" was more about lifestyle (living part of the year in India) than musical specifics.) > The same holds for all sorts of other genres and > sub-genres of music. If you take a music appreciation class about jazz, you > would get a whole lot of characteristics about the various sub-genres and > eras of jazz, and you would be able to listen to them and hear the > differences. You can clearly articulate specifics that make it one thing or > another. but with jazz, you'd end up with sub-genres that only had one guy in them! > > People always want to resist the idea of categorizing and defining their > own music into genres, but humans naturally do this. > Our brains find > patterns and put things into categories without our even realizing. So your > average dance music listener who can't give you a clear definition of the > difference between techno and house almost certainly really does know the > difference even if they can't spell it out. Their brains have identified > the differing patterns and put one in the techno bucket and one in the > house bucket. Well, those dance music genres(+subs) are v.well defined, and the people who make the music often work intentionally within those genres and are happy to have the label. For me, that's a "definition" of "dance music" that tells me a lot about it. > > So if "Live-Looping" is a genre as you guys claim, it must have some > characteristics that a listener could identify. I'm challenging you to > explain the characteristics that make it so. I don't claim (not that it isn't tempting to take up the challenge:-) > > Personally, I don't see how it is a genre, and that is why I don't think > you will ever come up with an answer to that challenge. I assume that is > also why you are all avoiding giving any answer in every single post. > Looping is a set of techniques and instruments used by musicians in > creating many kinds of music. There isn't necessarily any in common > characteristics between the resulting music. Looping (or Live-Looping or > whatever) does not appear to me to be any more a genre then "Sequencing" or > "Sampling" or "Fingerpicking" or "Trumpeting". hang on there, no-ones claiming "Looping" as a genre > > Yes, I think regular listeners definitely understand these differences, as > I explained above. If you play a punk track > and a blues track, they will > know exactly which one is which, because their pattern-recognizing brains > can find the differences. punk = Ian Dury and the Blockheads, Elvis Costello XTC ......and even, though you might not believe "The Police" they all appeared under the banner of punk it was more down to non-musical considerations like "which record label they were on" ...but no-ones saying there's no such thing as a genre called punk. > Are there such audible characteristics that ordinary listeners can identify > about "Live Looping"? well to me the "live" use of looping technology has a certain feel to the rhythm, so I'd expect that any listener might or might not be aware of that > Personally I don't see it. The only way you can reach that conclusion is to > draw a line around one small group of similar musicians who use Looping > techniques and call their music "Looping", and exclude all the others that > don't fit. And that is exactly what I think you guys are trying to do. Is someone trying to do this with "Looping"? if so then I agree that it's a bad choice of label. Was not the term "Live-Looping" coined deliberately as a descriptive label. In which case surely the person/persons who thought up the term is/are entitled to use it as they wish. When the term "Be-Bop" was coined it included Thelonius Monk, an artist who in no way conformed to the tempos or harmonic structures that are usually taken to define that sub-genre. ...but the term was used to promote Monk's music, ............and no-one complained. Anyone feel excluded? As far as I see it, Rick Walker's way of excluding people is to organise brilliant tours for them!!! > >Well I don't even know if anybodies "claiming Live Looping as a genre", > > yes, that's pretty explicitly what some people are trying to do! OK > > >some of us use it as a descriptive term for our music. > > Do you use it as a description of the music or of your role in creating it? a label, otherwise I'll get called "ambient" or "experimental" > > > >At a "Live Looping" gig you will hear sounds that the musician isn't > >currently involved in producing, but neverless they appear to be in > >control of the sound, shaping it in some way, and adding > >to it by the use of their instrument. > > with that definition I could be in a dance club watching a dj, or at an > experimental noise music concert created by people with laptops, or > watching the conductor of a symphony. Or watching you with an EDP. It > doesn't define the music I'm hearing. That's right, it's not an accurate definition, and relies on an antiquated notion of what an "instrument" might be in order to have any chance of making what little sense it does. > > no, it's not as good a definition. quite so! > Defining characteristics of the audio > that the listener can identify is exactly what definitions of those other > genres of music do. It's what the dance music genres do, but doesn't hold for other types of music. jazz - punk - even classical If you think you can can define any of those by audible characteristics then you've got a point. > >Well, if I don't give my music a name, I won't > >be able to promote it, > > That I agree with. If you guys think you have a common style you want to > name and identify yourself with, that's great. I think you have to do that > to promote yourself, because humans need that categorization to understand > you. > > But the word "looping" is already widely used by a huge range of musicians > to describe their instruments and techniques used in creating their music, > not the music itself. hence "Live Looping", it's kind of a different term to "Looping" ;-) ...it's that extra word ...........Live > Trying to call your music "looping" will just > cause frustration with listeners who identify the word "looping" with your > particular style of music, then go to another concert of "loopers" and get > a shock when it sounds like industrial metal or hip hop or some > experimental noise instead of your quiet guitar. my quiet guitar? ouch, that hurts > On the other side, many musicians who use looping techniques in their music > will be really frustrated to see that "looping" is suddenly identified with > a specific style that has nothing to do with them, or at least that there > is one group trying to claim that. Then you will get all sorts of heated > debates on internet mailing lists. or reasoned discussions?? doesn't the "Live-Looping" term avoid that problem, by being significantly different to "Looping"? > >so it's > > > >andybutler--livelooper > > And as I asked above, is that a description of your music or your role in > it? To me it sounds equivalent to saying "andybutler--guitarist" or > "andybutler--synthesist" or "andybutler--vocalist". > > kim just a label, there isn't an existing genre I can aspire towards. When someone asks "what kind of music do you do", and seems to expect a short answer, then I need something to say. andybutler--bloodyloudguitaristbassistdrummerwhenhehasamindtobeicantellyou From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 08:01:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SBwlh05372; Wed, 28 May 2003 07:58:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:58:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:58:39 +0200 Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <8BRz8C.A.zTB.3RK1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 07:15 pm, mark wrote: > The Echo Pro's a mono looper, and putting two together would *NOT* > make it a stereo looper like you can with the EDP. Two loops at the > same time do not a stereo looper make. It is not an EDP, but it *is* a stereo looping system. I know, as I'm playing with one at the moment :) I have a stereo effect unit going into two EP's. One EP acts as left (mono), and one EP acts as right (monp) - all listening to the same midi signals. I then route the output from each (in mono) into a stereo looper - one channel panned left, and one channel panned right. I am creating looped music with it at the moment, and it is very complex orchestral music - and it is in stereo! To say that it would "*NOT* make it a stereo looper like you can with the EDP" is true, but please don't belittle the potential of this setup. Two loops at the same time, one panned right and one panned left, on two separate loopers gives you different control than what you can get with an EDP. I can control either channel of the loop - half speed, reverse, slip - DJ'ing the live loop in realtime, and in a very organic maner. It gives more of an analogue and hands on way of thinking about the looping. Its not a stereo looper, but it is a stereo looping system and has great potential. Imagine 8 of these units - being able to multi-track?... Think of the remixing opportunities available there. Alas, it looks as though the $199 deal is finished - but they are still great and cheap looping devices. - Stuart solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 08:27:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SCPUw08195; Wed, 28 May 2003 08:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:29:32 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3136973373_130243_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3136973373_130243_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Its an interesting puzzle that seems to get more complicated... especially when I spoke to Morton Subotnick who said this about the use of tape delay it were being used by the late 50's..some in San Frnacisco by the tape center..[Ramon, Pauline and myself}...Vladimir Ussachevsky was using all sorts of time lag....Mauricio Kagel had a work for percussion where the material the musicians played was recorded and brought back later in the composition..etc.. Unfortunately Morton was too busy to say anything further to me, maybe you might be able to extract something out of him Richard? Certainly from speaking to people it seems like Terry Riley is so care free about his work that he hasn't documented what happened and when accurately because I don't think it matters to him. The overall impression I got though was that Riley was the pioneer he is just to care free to make a big fuss about it. Where as Pauline Oliveros likes the ideas of self promotion more...... These aren't supposed to be judgements on these people just reflections of what people have said to me. Riley didn't even have copyright on In C till the 1980s!!!!!!!! I think that speaks volumes! Geoff on 28/5/03 1:52 am, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: At 7:30 PM -0500 5/27/03, Doug Cox wrote: So, then... if Mike Battle starting making prototype 'Plexes in the late 50's, was he aware of, or involved in, the activities of Riley, Oliveros, Reich, et. al. at that time? I asked him if he'd heard of Terry Riley, but he said not. Was it really, as it seems, that an Echoplex made it into Riley's hands... he explained it to someone... who implemented the idea in a different way (large tape decks)... which Riley tagged the "time lag accumulator"... which Riley continued to use and others used later as live looping devices... sorta like that? I talked to Terry on the phone at some length and he never mentioned the Echoplex. He was working with two monophonic Wollensack tape decks circa 1959-60. He made "Mescalin Mix" in 1960 by using one of the decks as a source, with a very long loop os source material (across the room, out the window into the yard, around a wine bottle and back in the window) and used the sound-on sound function of the second deck to layer sounds. He played the resulting piece for the French radio engineer, who then came up with the idea for the two-deck system that became the Time Lag Accumulator. When Terry returned from France he implemented the system on two Revox decks. There is a little confusion about dates in all this, since Ramon and Pauline claim there were some long-delay dual-machine performances circa 1960-61. My suspicion is that this may be true, but that adding the feedback component to the circuit may have come later. Time to talk to them all again? --MS_Mac_OE_3136973373_130243_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Its an interesting puzzle that seems to get more complicated...
especially when I spoke to Morton Subotnick who said this about the use of = tape delay it were being used by the late 50's..some in San
Frnacisco by the tape center..[Ramon, Pauline and myself}...Vladimir
Ussachevsky was using all sorts of time lag....Mauricio Kagel had a work fo= r
percussion where the material the musicians played was recorded and brought=
back later in the composition..etc..


Unfortunately Morton was too busy to say anything further to me, maybe you = might be able to extract something out of him Richard?
Certainly from speaking to people it seems like Terry Riley is so care free= about his work that he hasn't documented what happened and when accurately = because I don't think it matters to him. The overall impression I got though= was that Riley was the pioneer he is just to care free to make a big fuss a= bout it. Where as Pauline Oliveros likes the ideas of self promotion more...= ...
These aren't supposed to be judgements on these people just reflections of = what people have said to me.
Riley didn't even have copyright on In C till the 1980s!!!!!!!!
I think that speaks volumes!
Geoff


on 28/5/03 1:52 am, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:

At 7:30 PM -0500 5/27/03, Doug Cox wrote:

So, then... if Mike Battle st= arting making prototype 'Plexes in the late 50's, was he aware of, or involv= ed in, the activities of Riley, Oliveros, Reich, et. al. at that time?

I asked him if he'd heard of Terry Riley, but he said not.

Was it really, as it seems, = that an Echoplex made it into Riley's hands... he explained it to someone...= who implemented the idea in a different way (large tape decks)... which Ril= ey tagged the "time lag accumulator"... which Riley continued to u= se and others used later as live looping devices... sorta like that?

I talked to Terry on the phone at some length and he never mentioned the Ec= hoplex. He was working with two monophonic Wollensack tape decks circa 1959-= 60. He made "Mescalin Mix" in 1960 by using one of the decks as a = source, with a very long loop os source material (across the room, out the w= indow into the yard, around a wine bottle and back in the window) and used t= he sound-on sound function of the second deck to layer sounds. He played the= resulting piece for the French radio engineer, who then came up with the id= ea for the two-deck system that became the Time Lag Accumulator. When Terry = returned from France he implemented the system on two Revox decks.

There is a little confusion about dates in all this, since Ramon and Paulin= e claim there were some long-delay dual-machine performances circa 1960-61. = My suspicion is that this may be true, but that adding the feedback componen= t to the circuit may have come later. Time to talk to them all again?

--MS_Mac_OE_3136973373_130243_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 08:50:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SCnRg10078; Wed, 28 May 2003 08:49:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:49:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:53:30 +0100 Subject: Live Looping stick with it then it will happen! + (Come on Kim, name the music!) From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c32500$d0598020$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would again ask Kim to name 5-10 prominent Live-Looping tracks that he feels sound totally different (excluding installation tracks) COME ON MAN TAKE UP THE CHALLENGE LETS HAVE SOME FUN!!! Per Boysen wrote > Then the guy simply said: "Aha, I see. It's just what Bach did with pen > and paper, but you guys are doing it in real time and you don't need an > orchestra to hear it." This is such a key point the fact that this all happens in real time, no where else does the live-looping of an instrument (other than syth/sampler) happen in real time. It is the just as big a difference as there is between composition and improvisation. If people would except the title Live-Looping it would become popular and then in the same way as in dance music sub genres would emerge that would describe the different bits. The fundemental problem with Live-Looping is not the name it is the lack of exposure! The name of any genre is there only to add to its exposure so that people can talk about it write about it etc. Like i said before tell poeple its live-looping and people will follow!!!! Drum and bass went through the same thing with the artists saying... don't label me... its just music... but having a name benefited the genre because it creates a buzz and a section in the record shops!!!!!! That genre went through all sorts of names to begin with before eventually the artists settled on drum and bass as the name of their music and now talk about it with pride! I would again ask Kim to name me 5-10 prominent Live-Looping tracks that he feels sound totally different (excluding installation tracks) COME ON MAN TAKE UP THE CHALLENGE LETS HAVE SOME FUN!!! Cheers Geoff on 28/5/03 11:06 am, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > >> But does it really matter if a phrase (in this case "Live >> Looping") that a group of people take up to describe their >> approach to live music is really a genre, a style, an >> approach, a whatever? > > Good point IMHO. Personally I have had this vision, since 25 years, of a > music I would like to make. I've never come as close to my dream as I do > now by using loopers when improvising live. Guess that's "Live Looping" > for me. > >> Perhaps we don't have, or aren't looking at, a good >> historical example of something as powerful and fundamental >> as live looping tools coming to fruition. > > Another interesting thought! Some days ago Matthias and I improvised > with a Swedish "noise musician" at a club. Afterwards a guy in the > audience asked me what we were doing, by technical specification. He > said he could hear pretty well how Matthias was fading loops in and out > (although he did understand how he got his guitar sound by polyphonic > distortion) as our group improvisation went on for an hour or so. But he > said he had not been able to understand the techniques I was using, > although he liked the music. So I told him about looping, reversing, > multiplying, truncating, destructive SUSinsert (dropping in 16ths, > 128ths or whatever), unquantised and unrounded inserting (not in replace > mode - hope I get the terminology right?), running two loopers synced > while manipulating tempo sync to achieve polyrhythmic, EDP half speed, > Repeater real time pitch change and time stretch etc etc.... > > Then the guy simply said: "Aha, I see. It's just what Bach did with pen > and paper, but you guys are doing it in real time and you don't need an > orchestra to hear it." > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ------------- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com <-- 1st Swedish Looping Festival, May 16 to June 4 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 10:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SEwsW23517; Wed, 28 May 2003 10:58:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:58:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Mega compact looping rig Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:57:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2003 14:57:16.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DCACD00:01C32529] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funy you sould mention that,,, A few monday nights ago at the Adelphi club in Hull I decided to play my own one man effort of mercury revs Opus 40, in order to get that sweeping up to the chorus sound I took my shoes and socks off and got busy with the EQ range sweep thing. It works but u gotta sit really to get the constant preasure on the pad or else it gets glitchy. Might try it as a wah wah next, will report back. Phill >From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Mega compact looping rig >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:09:30 +0100 > > >>I still want to see someone playing a kaoss pad with their toes.<< > >I'm sure there's another list for people like you.... :-) > > >*************************************************************************** >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > >The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >be privileged. 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Otto Luening was using tape delay for echo effects is such pieces as "Fantasy in Space." According to Paul Lehrman the Columbia Princeton studio had tape guides mounted in many locations, to support tape loops. >Mauricio Kagel had a work for percussion where the material the >musicians played was recorded and brought back later in the >composition..etc.. Mort was probably referring to "Transitions II." >Unfortunately Morton was too busy to say anything further to me, >maybe you might be able to extract something out of him Richard? I see Mort from time to time (he teaches at CalArts, not far from here). However, Ramon is probably a more reliable source for Tape Center trivia. >Terry Riley is so care free about his work that he hasn't documented >what happened and when accurately because I don't think it matters >to him. This seems an accurate portrayal. A few years ago I helped out with the 25th anniversary performance of "In C" in San Francisco. Many of the original performers participated (Terry and three others sang). Drummer George Marsh performed on trap set, without the requirement of following the score. Some of us thought this was inappropriate and that it messed up the music, but Terry was delighted. He had a singular lack of reverence for his own "masterpiece." >Where as Pauline Oliveros likes the ideas of self promotion more...... Yes. She has done a remarkable job of carving out a career in the male-dominated music scene (remembering that she is now past 70!). This necessitates a lot of image building. However, PO is one of the first to assert the importance of collective activity. On the first day of music technology class at UCSD she wrote on the board: "Technology is a tribal matter." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1157986716==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3
At 1:29 PM +0100 5/28/03, Geoff Smith wrote:
Morton Subotnick who said ...Vladimir Ussachevsky was using all sorts of time lag....

Otto Luening was using tape delay for echo effects is such pieces as "Fantasy in Space." According to Paul Lehrman the Columbia Princeton studio had tape guides mounted in many locations, to support tape loops.

Mauricio Kagel had a work for percussion where the material the musicians played was recorded and brought back later in the composition..etc..

Mort was probably referring to "Transitions II."


Unfortunately Morton was too busy to say anything further to me, maybe you might be able to extract something out of him Richard?

I see Mort from time to time (he teaches at CalArts, not far from here). However, Ramon is probably a more reliable source for Tape Center trivia.

Terry Riley is so care free about his work that he hasn't documented what happened and when accurately because I don't think it matters to him.

This seems an accurate portrayal.

A few years ago I helped out with the 25th anniversary performance of "In C" in San Francisco. Many of the original performers participated (Terry and three others sang). Drummer George Marsh performed on trap set, without the requirement of following the score. Some of us thought this was inappropriate and that it messed up the music, but Terry was delighted. He had a singular lack of reverence for his own "masterpiece."

Where as Pauline Oliveros likes the ideas of self promotion more......

Yes. She has done a remarkable job of carving out a career in the male-dominated music scene (remembering that she is now past 70!). This necessitates a lot of image building. However, PO is one of the first to assert the importance of collective activity. On the first day of music technology class at UCSD she wrote on the board: "Technology is a tribal matter."
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--============_-1157986716==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 11:34:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SFVmT28828; Wed, 28 May 2003 11:31:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:31:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12.312d3225.2c05fb50@aol.com> References: <12.312d3225.2c05fb50@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:24:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4SFTgB28538 Resent-Message-ID: <_4bJLD.A.N-G.nXN1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:45 AM -0400 5/28/03, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >Stockhausen had a system that only needed one deck. Used a tape >loop, and changed the order of the heads to playback>>erase>>record Probably based on the Morphophone and/or Phonogène invented by Francis Poullin at the RTF in Paris >Which is probably described in the same book as the one with the >photoelectric disc. Which I probably read about 20 years ago. I have about a half-dozen books on Stockhausen, but probably not the one you're referring to. I'll look through and see what else I can find. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 12:18:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SGGrL02373; Wed, 28 May 2003 12:16:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:16:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:16:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/28/03 12:55 AM, Michael Peters at mpeters@csi.com wrote: > (Timelag Accumulator, later known as Frippertronics) It's only Frippertronics if you plug Fripp into the front end of the Time Lag Accumulator. > What is a loop anyway? Maybe this has been said before: We should make a > clear distinction here ... the word 'loop' is used to describe 1) static, > closed tape loops which typically don't evolve (today we would say: samples, > or loops in the DJ sense), but also 2) open, evolving loops with continuous > input, like Terry Riley's system, based on tape echo units or two tape > recorders, later growing into analog and digital echo/loop machinery. > > Of course, static tape loops are loops too in the most basic sense, but I'd > say that all of our talk about Loop music and Livelooping refers to the use > of the second, more complex kind of loops. It won't solve Kim's concerns, but perhaps a better term would be Time Lag Music calling attention to the fact that a key part of the sound is based on the fact that what you've just heard is likely to come back again. I would also say that Amy X Neuburg does not play time lag music. Her pieces are not given form by the EDP the way Matthias or Andre's work is. I think you could quite reasonably have a Time Lag festival, that it could draw an audience that didn't consist only of time lag musicians, and that it could include both Matthias and Andre without throwing the audience for a loop. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 12:41:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SGeOL04536; Wed, 28 May 2003 12:40:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:40:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030528164008.57611.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: the meaning of loop music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527164210.04ba0740@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > Kidding aside, not only do [Matthias] and Andre both >play guitar (and both without a pick as I >discovered)... Aha! Another difference! When I'm playing guitar in a non-looping full-band situation, I always use a pick. But when I'm doing the "Live Looping" thing (which is still not a *musical* genre, but does nicely describe what's going on) I find that my right hand is busy turning knobs and much more often than not I'm playing sans plectrum. Only partly tongue in cheek, -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 12:49:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SGmcs05499; Wed, 28 May 2003 12:48:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:48:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:48:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo looping device for $400? (Echo Pro experimentations) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <28DAADF3-912C-11D7-A984-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 04:58 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > To say that it would "*NOT* make it a stereo looper like you can with > the EDP" is true, but please don't belittle the potential of this > setup. I wasn't trying to belittle it, I was just trying to clarify the language. I know that Matthias and Kim have worked very hard to make EDPs talk to eachother, and making a stereo real time looper pretty much killed Electrix. What you have is a dual channel looping system. Which, I'm sure, is very cool. Starting and stopping those loops together is cool, but I wonder what you could do if you decouple the two units. Very cool stuff, I bet. When Will Wright was last over we kept his stuff (going through my Echo Pro) not synced to my Repeater and got very interesting results. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 12:53:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SGqoe05990; Wed, 28 May 2003 12:52:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:52:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:52:38 -0700 Subject: Re: live vs recorded From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c324cf$e3f1a300$c3ac958d@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/27/03 9:16 PM, David at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: > 1) Live looping and recorded looping are (only) as different as live vs. > recorded music. > Potentially definitions of looping need to deal, and possibly distinguish > between looping in live and recorded situations. Today, recording > technology allows for musical elements to become repeated literally with cut > and paste simplicity. It's valid, it's cool. I love it. Isn't it looping > too? And if so, maybe it's good enough to just distinguish between > "realtime" looping and "recorded" loops. My points 2 & 3 partially > explains why. One of the things I've realized as I've thought about recording v. performance is that part of the value in performance is in watching the music get constructed. That's part of why hitting play on a drum machine is somewhat of a downer in a performance and why multi-instrumentalists make such interesting performers at looping festivals. (Pete Coates was particularly impressive at Y2K2.) The audience for such events presumably draws on people who are interested in that process. Drum machines are also damaging to the performance aesthetic in the same way that hitting play on a CD player is damaging: It opens the question as to how much is essentially canned. (This being said: Hans demonstrates that you can make a performance out of playing drum machines, but it really needs to be the focus of attention for the performer.) In a recording, in contrast, much of that performance aspect is lost. If you are a musician and in particular a musician who uses loops, you can analyze how the material was put together. Skilled listeners can do this as well. But for most people, the final aural product is all that's really available to judge. If a drum machine makes it sound better, go ahead. If it's cut and pasted together, go ahead. I'm not sure where this leaves "live in the studio work" that characterizes so much jazz. Some of that is just budget constraints that limit how much editing and overdubbing is viable, but there is also some vestige of the spontaneity of live performance that gets left in this way. When done well, the music breathes in an organic way that studio constructed music can lose. >From a personal standpoint, it's been interesting for me to find that after doing a bunch of stuff with a 4-track cassette deck, I upgraded first to a reel-to-reel 8-track and then a digital 8-track only to find that I'm more comfortable recording essentially live to 2-track. As a result, my recorded work is essentially a lot like my live work except that it's generally had more rounds of prep work experimenting with motifs and has the post option of being deleted if I'm really unhappy with it. Whether it breathes or not, I'll leave for others to judge. (I've got a Roland VS880 that I'd be willing to sell moderately cheaply. It's really only getting used when I'm working with someone else and want 4 inputs so that we don't have to worry about the mix.) I'm also without a drum machine right now. I've contemplated the ER-1, EM-1, XL-7, and Machinedrum, but I haven't resolved whether it would improve either my live or my recorded work. Mark http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 12:54:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SGreb06205; Wed, 28 May 2003 12:53:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:53:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030528165314.60077.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:53:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Time Lag Accumulator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB0A6@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > (p.s. mellotrons don't inherently have loops of tape > in them. it is possible to fit loops though.) At the expense of the note's attack portion, though! Although it would be nice to get around the time duration limit imposed by the strips of tape... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 13:34:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SHWbw11397; Wed, 28 May 2003 13:32:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:32:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1c0.a3ace2b.2c064c8f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:31:59 EDT Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c0.a3ace2b.2c064c8f_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c0.a3ace2b.2c064c8f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/27/03 2:29:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > >I feel compelled to point out that i'm not sure about the others you > >mentioned, but Klaus Schulze was definitely doing the "time lag > >accumulator" looping thing with tape machines. there's actually a picture > >here: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/8402.htm it's behind him, in a > >road case constructed for the task. > > ah, well there you go! another influential looper. (if you look carefully, > there are actually two decks in the picture side by side, not one as > somebody else mentioned.) However, the picture is from 1984 when this sort > of thing was more common. Did he use tape loops in his earlier days? > I seem to remember that Schulze used vari-speeded Revoxes for tape echo during the 70's. I think there's a good photo on the "Moondawn" lp cover. Tim --part1_1c0.a3ace2b.2c064c8f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/27/03 2:29:31 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:

>I feel compelled to point o= ut that i'm not sure about the others you
>mentioned, but Klaus Schulze was definitely doing the "time lag
>accumulator" looping thing with tape machines. there's actually a pictur= e
>here: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/8402.htm  it's behind him= , in a
>road case constructed for the task.

ah, well there you go! another influential looper. (if you look carefully, <= BR> there are actually two decks in the picture side by side, not one as
somebody else mentioned.) However, the picture is from 1984 when this sort <= BR> of thing was more common. Did he use tape loops in his earlier days?


I seem to remember that Schulze used vari-speeded Revoxes for tape echo duri= ng the 70's. I think there's a good photo on the "Moondawn" lp cover.

Tim
 --part1_1c0.a3ace2b.2c064c8f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 13:50:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SHnlc13007; Wed, 28 May 2003 13:49:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:49:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.14.93.11] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (Echo Pro experimentations) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:49:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2003 17:49:25.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A3B6280:01C32541] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark said... >When Will Wright was last over we kept his stuff (going through my Echo >Pro) not synced to my Repeater and got very interesting results. > It was a blast, I barely touched the thing and it totally changed the way I was making music. That combined with playing with Mark made for one of the most fun hours I have recently had. It must happen again soon. As soon as my dentist stops taking all my money I am strongly considering hunting down an Echo Pro. Until then I will continue to play with what my kaoss pad offers me and to try to convince one of my old laptops that 300mhz and 16 megs of ram is plenty. I am actually getting them to do some pretty cool things, but I have to set up the loops ahead of time and deal with the inevitable glitches that trying to play too many at once causes. If I can find software that will run under an extremely low overhead OS like MenuetOS I'm set, If I were a smarter monkey I would write one, but in the end maybe all the effort could just go to getting a better laptop? Nah, too easy :) Will Wright _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 14:08:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SI7Mo16090; Wed, 28 May 2003 14:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c32543$bc053400$3161f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305281531.h4SFVXJ28758@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LIVE LOOPING: a definition Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:05:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I looked up LIVE LOOPING in the Oxford English Dictionary and found this: LIVE LOOPING: A musical movement begun in the late 20th and early 21st century that was comprised of many different musicians from disparate styles who used repetitive digital and analogue technology to augment their musicians musical vision. Controversial at first, because many of the musicians who used the technology could not agree on what to call it, it came to existence due to a series of Salon like Festivals that were produced all over the world in the early part of the first decade of the 21st century. While never achieving mass popularity it , nevertheless, made a strong impact on modern popular music and the music of films and modern dance. I'm being facetious of course, but my point is this. Matt Groening's character, Homer Simpson kept saying the word 'DOH' and people kept using it (even though it was entirely fictitious) until sometime a year or so ago, it was added to the Oxford English Dictionary. I keep saying this: WHAT IS, IS. Live Looping exists as a movement because we've put energy into it: Pure and simple. It is not easily defined because it is so all inclusive (within the caveat that it's adherents use modern analogue and digital looping techniques as the prime and ONLY unifying metaphor). You know, I've never been a part of a community that celebrated more diversity, musically than that of say, the Y2K2 LIVE LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz last year. People played Tubas, Cellos, Guitars, Percussion, Saxaphones, prerecorded Compact Discs, Acapella Vocals. They performed music that included avante garde, ambient, folk music, serial repetitive music, jazz, world music. They played solo, in duets, trios and even an octet. They used repetitive techniques that relied on dedicated digital live loopers (Echoplexes, Jammans, Line 6 DL-4s, Boomerangs, Headrushes,old school, short loop Digital Delays,Eventide Harmonizers, Boss Loopstations and forgive me if I've forgotten anyone else's specific gear). One group of guitarists from the Robert Fripp school played interlocking repetitive rhythms acoustically in real time (perish the thought)..............lol. The overall feeling of those two days was one of strong community. Not everyone who attended felt it (obviously from Kim's posts) but then again not everyone who attended a Be-In in the late 60's in San Francisco felt a part of the hippy movement either, but there was a palpable sense that something was happening and it was fun and inspiring for the bulk of people who both attended and who paid to get in ($1,700 of income was generated at that event which was generously given by the performers to the struggling Cayuga Vault which was not too shabby for a fledgling movement). Perhaps the best analogy (and perish the thought that there is no precendent for this self professed movement) I can think of would be the Impressionist movement in the late 19th century. There were many painters associated with that movement who hated that they were included in it. There was also a tremendous stylistic diversity if you look at all of the painters associated with the movement. It may not be a precise term for describing what got created, but the term was invented; the galleries used the term as a way of publicizing and selling the artwork. No matter what anyone thought about the movement or whether they felt included or excluded, defined by it or confined by it................it existed and exists to this day. Despite what Kim says about the potential exclusivity of LIVE LOOPING, I say, that anytime that I produce a festival, inclusivity will be one of the strongest definers. Andre LaFosse and Matthias Grob will both be welcome and encouraged to perform despite how differently they use almost the exact same type of gear. Some of you may be pissed off that we're doing what we're doing and that's okay. I won't exclude you from performing at any event that I try to produce. I promise. Come. Please. God forbid, you might have fun and feel accepted by your peers. I don't take umbrage if you don't want to participate at all. It's all really o.k. WHAT IS, IS. I want to have fun. I want to have a community. I want to loop. I want to promote the fuck out of it all so that I and other loopers can actually make a living doing it, someday. I need a handle to market the whole shebang. I chose LIVE LOOPING. WHAT IS, IS. I feel like I have the right to do what I am doing because I think that it is an inclusive and positive mission. I don't feel judgemental of loopers who don't want to participate or be confined by the term. I don't feel superior to anything. What we are trying to accomplish is entirely benign. It's all okay. I hope you can come perform or attend the Y2K3 LIVE LOOP FESTIVAL in Santa Cruz in late September or early October. I'll let you know the dates when I complete my European tour in the beginning of August. yours sincerely, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 14:17:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SIG2i16927; Wed, 28 May 2003 14:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:16:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:15:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Fwd: Luciano Berio has died Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1157976751==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1157976751==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" From David Wessel : >Colleagues, > >I learned from Pierre Boulez this morning of the passing of Luciano >Berio two days ago. > >We are in the process of arranging a memorial event at the Ojai >Music Festival this coming Saturday night >CNMAT is involved in the production of Dialogue de l'ombre double >at Ojai. Boulez wrote Dialogue as a gift to Berio on the occasion >of his 60th birthday. > >We are trying to locate a score and parts for O-King (chamber >version) to be included in Saturday's concert. >Should any of you just happen to have it, could you get in touch >with me today. We leave for Ojai early tomorrow morning. > >Below is a link to an obituary that appeared in today's New York Times. >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/28/obituaries/28BERI.html?ex=1054699200&en=6e6b93639925a879&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE --============_-1157976751==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Fwd: Luciano Berio has died
From David Wessel <wessel@cnmat.berkeley.edu>:

Colleagues,

I learned from Pierre Boulez this morning of the passing of Luciano Berio two days ago.

We are in the process of arranging a memorial event at the Ojai Music Festival this coming Saturday night
CNMAT is involved in the production of Dialogue de l'ombre double  at Ojai.   Boulez wrote Dialogue  as a gift to Berio on the occasion of his 60th birthday.

We are trying to locate a score and parts for O-King  (chamber version) to be included in Saturday's concert.
Should any of you just happen to have it,  could you get in touch with me today.  We leave for Ojai early tomorrow morning.
 
Below is a link to an obituary that appeared in today's New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/28/obituaries/28BERI.html?ex=1054699200&amp;en=6e6b93639925a879&amp;ei=5062&amp;partner=GOOGLE

--============_-1157976751==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 14:32:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SIV6Q18715; Wed, 28 May 2003 14:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:31:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030527215525.71356.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030527215525.71356.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:27:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: genre - style - category Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >--- Matthias Grob wrote: >> hm... dictionary... >> >> I am not sure about genre, but to me, style and >> category are not the same. >> >> Style is rather tradition oriented, its the >> "cookbook" for a way to play music. etc > >I think there's bound to be an inevitable degree of >equivocation since we all have different backgrounds >and these terms are used in areas other than music. To >me, genre and category mean approximately the same >thing. Like Matthias, I also think that 'style' >differs slightly in meaning, but my interpretation >tends towards the other direction; to me, 'style' >connotates a combination of personality, affectation, >cliche (affinity for or resistance to), habit, talent, >imagination, work ethic, individuality, specific >personal experiences, genetics and chance. I use the >term the way it's often used in the visual arts, but I >recognize the way Matthias uses it too... hm... feel you... its when you say that somebody "has style" it means that a whole set of characteristics fit together, creates a unity which has an impact, as if there was only one spirit in all parts... so maybe, reapplied to music, it comes up when all instruments and sounds fit together in a way that creates a perceivable, "round" character... and only in a second motion, once such a style is elaborated, it turns into a tradition and cliches are copied from there into other contexts, which then may turn into a new style, if well done... is that it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 14:32:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SIV6D18713; Wed, 28 May 2003 14:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:31:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:27:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: open and closed loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1butbC.A.RjE.aBQ1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I wrote about pretty much this under "non musical looping" in february and probably before... its somehow related to the two ways to build loopers as sample players (Repeater, Jamman...) or tape loop imitators (EDP), but is not quite the same since machines of one kind can imitate the other. similarely, musician with one setup can imitate the music which is "naturally" made with the other... good you brought it up from you point of view: > >What is a loop anyway? Maybe this has been said before: We should make a >clear distinction here ... the word 'loop' is used to describe 1) static, >closed tape loops which typically don't evolve (today we would say: samples, >or loops in the DJ sense), but also 2) open, evolving loops with continuous >input, like Terry Riley's system, based on tape echo units or two tape >recorders, later growing into analog and digital echo/loop machinery. > >Of course, static tape loops are loops too in the most basic sense, but I'd >say that all of our talk about Loop music and Livelooping refers to the use >of the second, more complex kind of loops. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 14:32:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SIVaF18770; Wed, 28 May 2003 14:31:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:31:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030528084711.2410.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030528084711.2410.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:26:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Defining loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am sure my definition is not the best ,but when i >say a world percussionist who create live loops is >coming to town in july has been until now clearly >understood and worked to get attention.At first i said > a "percussionist looper" and it wasn¥t clearly >understood. >Now if i had describe Rick as a green hair its not the hair which are rather blond now, its the shoes and socks and froggie gloves and air damped bags... and as a bass drum he uses a green frisbee and it sounds good! :-) >percussionist coming who plays with himeself wouldn¥t >be fair either,would it? >Just kidding brother:-) >Louie > maybe a "looping percussionist" would be less ofending? :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 14:39:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SIcbV19710; Wed, 28 May 2003 14:38:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:38:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001f01c324cf$e3f1a300$c3ac958d@hppav> References: <009801c324a3$96c57ce0$e0154ed5@bigboy> <5.1.1.6.2.20030527112016.04ba43a8@loopers-delight.com> <3.0.5.32.20030527205217.00882630@pop.earthlink.net> <001f01c324cf$e3f1a300$c3ac958d@hppav> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:34:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: 3 points - live vs's recorded, looping origin, and looping as genre Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >1) Live looping and recorded looping are (only) as different as live vs. >recorded music. >Potentially definitions of looping need to deal, and possibly distinguish >between looping in live and recorded situations. Today, recording >technology allows for musical elements to become repeated literally with cut >and paste simplicity. It's valid, it's cool. I love it. Isn't it looping >too? And if so, maybe it's good enough to just distinguish between >"realtime" looping and "recorded" loops. My points 2 & 3 partially >explains why. When I read this I get the impression that the difference is similar to studio vs live act/recording of a band, where the live version usually is a little less elaborated but in change has more of a spontaneous punch. But what we should bring over to the public is the different feel of live looping which has been often discribed here with "freedom" and "flowing" and such. Its a different way to search for inspiration and I find important that the public has a chance to observe it happening, even on recordings (unless they are heavily edited/overdubbed or totally composed) Also, "recorded looping" is not used as a label and it may not make sense to create it here... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 15:03:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SJ08723290; Wed, 28 May 2003 15:00:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:00:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030528185945.21590.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: a definition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006c01c32543$bc053400$3161f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > It's all really o.k. WHAT IS, IS. > I want to have fun. I want to have a community. > I want to loop. Let's vote. Based on the discussion of the past few days, and having appointed ourselves the final authority on all things musical, semantic and/or loopy (;-)), let us choose from amongst the following: A) Trumpet players may only play at events billed as trumpeting events, and all live looping must take place at events described as such. Truth in advertising and all that, even if it means only trumpeters, loopers and their respective spouses will attend... B) Promoters are hereby banned from promoting exclusive events such as 'trumpeting' or 'looping' festivals, and all musicians who wish to play an instrument in public must do so in the company of others who play an extremely similar style of music so that the audience will not be forced to experience something new or unfamiliar. All such musical events must be clearly labeled by category so people know what they're in for. C) Musicians are free to perform in various contexts, situations and combinations, juxtaposed as they wish. Promoters may choose to group artists by instrument, musical genre, astrological sign, eye color or shoe size, or may choose not to group them at all. Audiences may choose to attend (or not) based on whatever criterion happens to appeal to them. I'm voting for the third one. -t- np: Four unsynched loops consisting of notes that I played on a stratocaster about twenty minutes ago which are repeating and de-evolving on a three channel system with various types and degrees of post-processing on each channel. The music continues to evolve and change even though I've put the guitar down and am writing an e-mail. Am I live looping? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 15:16:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SJEs024828; Wed, 28 May 2003 15:14:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:14:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <180.1ae54988.2c06646d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:13:49 EDT Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper Chapter 3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <50vueB.A.6CG.DqQ1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have about a half-dozen books on Stockhausen, but probably not the=20 > one you're referring to. I'll look through and see what else I can=20 > find. Thanks Richard, that's really appreciated. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 15:56:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SJtiK28577; Wed, 28 May 2003 15:55:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:55:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:29:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: "electronic folk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim said: >Do you mean what would I call the style of music you specifically play? no, its not what I meant, but its a nice subject, thank you! >I think Andre once called it something like "electronic folk" and >that sounded pretty accurate to me. I could also see it fitting in >the jam band category, like you would fit well on a bill with Kellar >Williams or Phish. oh, a new genre, just for me? yeah, I started with blues and did quite some rock and new age and listeners often remark similarities with Pink Floyd or classical or indian music. Avant garde stuff I only do live because I dont think its fun to listen to it recorded. Recently I played some shows with Reggae bands, too. I also study Anti-Looping music (the one that never repeats anything), but I rarely play it in public yet. :-) It seems not even my name serves as a category for what I am doing :-) Then again, whatever style I play, anybody quickly recognizes my... what? Its probably because I am not able to play any style right :-( but yes, if you manage to define "electronic folk" in a way that it includes all I do and does not exclude anyone else who may want to use it, I will use it from now on! :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 15:56:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SJsrw28390; Wed, 28 May 2003 15:54:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:54:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527173046.030d67a0@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527002245.034fd008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030527002245.034fd008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030527173046.030d67a0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:30:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: LiveLooping.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>So when you try to claim Live Looping as a genre, I'm still lost >>>as to what you are talking about. >> >>and if you hear "jazz", you know? > >yes. I'm not yet so great at identifying all the sub-genres, and I'm >not so anal as Wynton, but overall, yes. but if you had to explain or define it to someone who never heard it, you would have a hard time, no? You got the feel by listening enough to it and the sub-genres are arround for some time, so they are expressions filled with content. But none of them is precise either, there are always artists that fall in between or out, no? >>>I really don't see how regular music listeners can understand it either. >> >>right, we need to try to show them. > >Well, it is music so they should hear it rather than see it. So what >exactly is it that they will hear? How will they understand it? yes, the primary way to show it is through the music itself. we will have to gather examples and probably soon start to group them - a delicate task, really. >>>Certainly you can explain to them about the looping techniques and >>>devices the musicians are using, and maybe they will find that a >>>bit interesting in an educational way. >> >>very true, we have that all on LD. > >which would be completely boring to most non-musician listeners, >that was the point there. exacly. we need a site that is interesting for non-musicians. >>>But that isn't describing the music, and ultimately people go to >>>listen to music not the musician's technique. >> >>Thats what we want to start LiveLooping.com for. > >The point was, that describing something by the technique used will >not help promote, only confuse. Is that not so? Yes, we dont intend to describe it by the technique there, apart from some rough introduction which may be helpful to follow the music. For the ones interested in technique there is a link to LD. >how is your website going to solve any of this if you can't >articulate it here? Well, there is more space and its not just me... I did articulate a lot here in the past years. The work to bring it all together in a nice form has not been done yet, and its a collective effort. At this point I dont think we will ever manage to explain it all in a paragraph, not even a site, but I am not worried with that, I find it a good sign even. Its a huge task to bring a feeling, a spirit to someone. It depends a lot on the way a listener percieves. Apart from the music itself, we can use pictures and talk about livestyle and convictions of related people. Another way is to display the history which lead to where we are. Its nothing precise, and never finishes, because the spirit itself keeps gowing and changing as it did in the past. It has a lot to do with afinity. If we manage to tune in together, inspiration will flow and the result will "have style" and become understandable. We dont want to exclude anyone as long as they more or less accept the definition of live looping as it has grown so far and their intention is to tune in and support the process! So far, funding is not solved... :-( -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 15:58:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SJwR629042; Wed, 28 May 2003 15:58:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:58:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:01:58 +0100 Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: a definition From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030528185945.21590.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ha Ha The third too. Geoff on 28/5/03 7:59 pm, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: >> It's all really o.k. WHAT IS, IS. >> I want to have fun. I want to have a community. >> I want to loop. > > Let's vote. > > Based on the discussion of the past few days, and > having appointed ourselves the final authority on all > things musical, semantic and/or loopy (;-)), let us > choose from amongst the following: > > A) Trumpet players may only play at events billed as > trumpeting events, and all live looping must take > place at events described as such. Truth in > advertising and all that, even if it means only > trumpeters, loopers and their respective spouses will > attend... > > B) Promoters are hereby banned from promoting > exclusive events such as 'trumpeting' or 'looping' > festivals, and all musicians who wish to play an > instrument in public must do so in the company of > others who play an extremely similar style of music so > that the audience will not be forced to experience > something new or unfamiliar. All such musical events > must be clearly labeled by category so people know > what they're in for. > > C) Musicians are free to perform in various contexts, > situations and combinations, juxtaposed as they wish. > Promoters may choose to group artists by instrument, > musical genre, astrological sign, eye color or shoe > size, or may choose not to group them at all. > Audiences may choose to attend (or not) based on > whatever criterion happens to appeal to them. > > I'm voting for the third one. > > -t- > > np: Four unsynched loops consisting of notes that I > played on a stratocaster about twenty minutes ago > which are repeating and de-evolving on a three channel > system with various types and degrees of > post-processing on each channel. The music continues > to evolve and change even though I've put the guitar > down and am writing an e-mail. Am I live looping? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 16:00:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SK0MZ30495; Wed, 28 May 2003 16:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:04:16 +0100 Subject: Re: 3 points - live vs's recorded, looping origin, and looping as genre From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed. Live-Looping compared to simply looping audio is as different as composition and improvisation. And in a way defines why it sounds the way it does. Geoff on 28/5/03 7:34 pm, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >> >> 1) Live looping and recorded looping are (only) as different as live vs. >> recorded music. >> Potentially definitions of looping need to deal, and possibly distinguish >> between looping in live and recorded situations. Today, recording >> technology allows for musical elements to become repeated literally with cut >> and paste simplicity. It's valid, it's cool. I love it. Isn't it looping >> too? And if so, maybe it's good enough to just distinguish between >> "realtime" looping and "recorded" loops. My points 2 & 3 partially >> explains why. > > When I read this I get the impression that the difference is similar > to studio vs live act/recording of a band, where the live version > usually is a little less elaborated but in change has more of a > spontaneous punch. > > But what we should bring over to the public is the different feel of > live looping which has been often discribed here with "freedom" and > "flowing" and such. Its a different way to search for inspiration and > I find important that the public has a chance to observe it > happening, even on recordings (unless they are heavily > edited/overdubbed or totally composed) > > Also, "recorded looping" is not used as a label and it may not make > sense to create it here... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 16:56:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SKtkn02800; Wed, 28 May 2003 16:55:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:55:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:55:41 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: 3 points - live vs's recorded, looping origin, and looping asgenre In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <035801c3255b$80322f10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ahh... in college, in search of a definition of improvisation, we came up with the term "spontaneous composition." so, for us, they were not so different... > ... > Agreed. > Live-Looping compared to simply looping audio is as different > as composition and improvisation. ... >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 17:34:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SLXkR07249; Wed, 28 May 2003 17:33:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:33:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:33:29 -0700 Subject: speaking of names... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <05BE086E-9154-11D7-A984-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Live looping. Hmmmmm. Rock. Rock? What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music in any way? Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? Maybe we need a whole *new* word like Jazz.... I'm suggesting Silis. Easy to pronounce, has nice symmetry. Easy to make into a logo... This is all so very silly. It's like naming a cat. You can think of all the names you want, but you're going to end up calling it something else. This is how Mewberta became Mixmaster Tubbie. http://www.valerium.net/valerie/cats/gatos/pages/mixmastertubby.htm Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 17:56:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SLtgb08935; Wed, 28 May 2003 17:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527193852.04bcc008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:57:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527002245.034fd008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:43 AM 5/27/2003, Geoff Smith wrote: > > So when you try to claim Live Looping as a genre, I'm still lost as to what > > you are talking about. I really don't see how regular music listeners can > > understand it either. Certainly you can explain to them about the looping > > techniques and devices the musicians are using, and maybe they will find > > that a bit interesting in an educational way. But that isn't describing the > > music, and ultimately people go to listen to music not the musician's > > technique. >When i listen to the music of Live-Looping (there I am calling it that right >from the start) I genuinely here huge similarities between the artists I >have talked about. Is that because you are listening to only a narrow subset of Loopers, or do you actually detect some common characteristics across all of the wildly different musicians using looping? If your source listenings are what you list in your paper and mention here, I'm afraid it sounds like the former to me. >For this to work I only consider artists who use a Live-Looping device as a >major part of what they do. To illustrate why... drum and bass doesn't sound >the way it does simply because someone adds a speed up drum beat, its a full >engagement with a form of music. Drum and Bass also doesn't sound the way it does because people use cubase and fruity loops to create it. So why do you think this "Live Looping" genre is defined by the tools, when drum and bass is not? Why not by specific musical characteristics as you just semi-explained d&b is defined? >This is true of Live-Looping for someone to >be considered part of the genre they must make heavy use of the Live-Looper, >i.e. it can not be just an arbitory addition or effect. that goes back to the Trumpet players are in the Trumpeter genre example.... I still don't see how the tools used to create can define a genre. If somebody tells me to come to their Trumpet concert I don't know if they are going to be playing mariachi or bebop or marching band. I would be really annoyed if I stayed home because I was fearing marching band and it turned out to be mariachi. If they said "mariachi" right from the start, I'd be there. second point: the problem is not that we need to restrict things to say this is a music that only makes "heavy use of the Live-Looper" (presumably meaning the device in this case rather than the musician). The problem is that even once you have made that restriction, the music that results still covers such a wide range as to be impossible to categorize together. It is too broad a term to be of useful meaning to the listener. And as Rick claims, what is is. "Looping" and even "Live Looping" have used for a long time to refer to a set of tools, instruments, and techniques employed by many musicians creating many types of music. It's already done. To suddenly try to call one style of music "Live Looping" today causes confusion and conflict. >Okay so considering people who do this... >If I went to http://www.looproom.com/index_engl.php >and downloaded music by Rick, Matthius, and Per Boysen (which I have done >incidently) I would argue that the music has a lot in common as a listening >experience. (By the way, I'm really looking forward to hearing the collaborations between them myself.) The tracks on that particular site do seem a little similar, which again leads me to wonder if you have relied on too few sources to support your thesis. It seems like a rather small subset of all the things I've heard done with looping. (it is a sample of only 3....) However, in many other ways these three seem quite different. So, I'm curious. What specifically, are the similarities you hear that lead you to your conclusion? >The very function of looping a live instrumentalist has such a powerful >aesthetic effect that I would argue that this in most cases creates a >feeling of similarity between individual pieces or artists. ok, so go ahead and state the arguments you would make then. What are those similarities that create this "powerful aesthetic effect"? Maybe I'm an imbecile, but when I think of all the Live Loopers I've seen perform or listened to recordings of, I can't figure out how the resulting music all goes together in the same bin. They can be grouped together by the tools and techniques used to create, in the way Percussionists or Trumpeters can be grouped, but that's a musician thing. I don't see how the resulting music all goes together for the listener. >Looping creates form that is clear, >... and I believe it creates such a specific form that it ties music >together. If it is so specific, it should be easy to explain. Can you describe what that form is for me? >In the same way hip-hop covers so many different musicians etc. but it is pretty easy to describe the musical characteristics of hip hop music and its various sub genres, such that someone unfamiliar with it can recognize it and understand a bit of what is going on. That is because "hip hop music" refers to the audible characteristics in the result. >So Live-Looping can do the same, because there is a basic form that is >popular. is there? >Compare Terry Riley's 'Poppy No good etc' to Per Boysen's Saxophone pieces >and the similarities are obvious. Yes, remarkably so. Maybe a little too much so. :-) Terry Riley usually falls into the "Minimalist" genre, and even refers to himself as a Minimalist composer. Is there some reason that wasn't working? Why not just continue to say he is a minimalist, since it already seems to be a clear term that is reasonably understood. Perhaps we might say Per is a Minimalist also? Or perhaps Ambient? Listening to his music, those are the terms that come to mind. >It is perhaps harder to perceive when u >compare music made on different types of instruments, but i believe the form >is still very clear. Take Eno and Fripp's 'No Pussyfooting' and listen to >that and imagine it was played on a saxophone.... you must see it!!!!! Again, you are talking about only one type of music that is often made with looping. You also refer to music made with very rudimentary looping techniques, from a time when the looping instruments themselves were too limited to be useful for a wide range of applications. Following your paper, this obviously causes you quite some difficulty in supporting your thesis when you get to later musicians using newer looping tools, and presumably would cause you even more difficulty if you considered a wider range of loopers covering different styles. Fripp and Eno's thing usually gets called "Ambient", which seems to work fine for most people. Is there something wrong with continuing to use that reasonably well understood term? It describes the musical result rather than the tools used, which is usually what listeners are after in a descriptive term about music. Both "Ambient" and "Minimalism" are types of music where the musicians have found looping techniques to be useful. However, looping is used in many other places as well. It seems you are lumping Ambient and Minimalism together because of the frequent use of loopers shared between them and then ignoring all other types of music made with the same looping tools. >Live-Looping like all music genres has progressed this can be heard on Amy X >Neuburg' s 'tattoo' however the roots of the music can still be perceived they can? Amy's music doesn't sound even remotely like Terry Riley. Nobody would say they play the same type of music. She uses tremendous amounts of live looping though. Which one gets to be the Live Looper? >i.e. I can still hear the same fascination with looped live recorded audio. Yes, you can also hear that same fascination in hip hop. Live hip hop often includes dj's live-looping beats by switching back and forth between two records. That's the classic hip hop sound. It is called Looping there too, and as far as I'm concerned it is looping. There are many dj's now doing this with actual loopers and turntables. I assume you don't consider hip hop as part of this "Live Looping" genre, even though it can include the same elements in its creation? >The form is just more fragmented now (thanks to new functions on the EDP. The tools follow what the musicians request. The EDP didn't cause anything to be fragmented (other than loops themselves). Neither did the Repeater or the JamMan or whatever. Musicians want to use looping in many ways, and ask for different features. The tools evolve to meet those musical needs. >Live-Looping music is characterized by the looping of live instruments in >recorded form, obvious yes but hugely significant as no other form of music >does this. well, hip hop does it also as I just pointed out, so it seems to contradict your definition here. Unless we are now declaring hip hop as a sub-genre of our Live Looping genre. >If you play samples of music that aren't created live they have a >totally different feel....etc. Sequenced music is looping but is >characterised by looping synth sounds or sampled sounds and therefor has a >very different aesthetic effect. So is "Sequencer Music" another genre then? that seems unlikely. What if a piece music made live with a sequencer sounded exactly like another piece music made live with a Looper? Are they different genres due to the different tools used? Or same genre because they sound alike? >One of the few people who is maybe unrecognisable as a Live-Looper is David >Torn on his recent work. This I believe is because of the huge range of >processing he uses, >I talk about this in my paper. Is that just because his music doesn't fit your thesis? Most people seem to see what David does as Looping, and his use of looping techniques is widely known. He employs the techniques all over the place quite obviously, and certainly does a lot of it live. So by your definition he must be a Live Looper. Yet his music sounds nothing like many other Live Loopers. Why not characterize all these as musicians using the same tools/instruments, but *not* playing the same type of music? I think your paper was doing just great when it was following that direction, but you got into difficulty when you tried to propose it all as a single musical genre. > So I set you the challenge name 5-10 prominent Live-Looping pieces that you >feel cannot be characterised together. And I will respond. Chet Atkins - "Jam Man" (Grammy winning tune) DJ Radar - "Antimatter" (one turntable and a looper, djradar.com) Andre LaFosse - "Continuous Mix #2" (nu-skool andre) David Torn - "Busy Cutting Crap" from Splattercell:::Oah Howie Day - live set at www.kcrw.org Andre LaFosse - "Disruption Theory" from album of same name (old-skool andre) Terry Riley - Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band that's seven, seems good enough. good luck! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 18:46:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SMfnS13990; Wed, 28 May 2003 18:41:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:41:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c3256a$15697620$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Very fine new music... Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:40:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dunno if there's any looping going on on it - haven't been listening for it, but someone mentioned an album on David Torn's list that featured Stig Liebig on bass - dunno is Stig is still on this list - you there??? The album is 'Bone Structure' by Gregg Bendian - anyone got it? anyway, go to http://ssl.adhost.com/jazzloft/baskets/pos.cfm?CD=3780 to have a listen to some of it - very very good stuff, GE Stinson plays some mean guitar.... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 18:58:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SMw1m15367; Wed, 28 May 2003 18:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:58:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030528153946.049ce1e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:59:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:55 AM 5/28/2003, Michael Peters wrote: >What is a loop anyway? Maybe this has been said before: We should make a >clear distinction here ... the word 'loop' is used to describe 1) static, >closed tape loops which typically don't evolve (today we would say: samples, >or loops in the DJ sense), but also 2) open, evolving loops with continuous >input, like Terry Riley's system, based on tape echo units or two tape >recorders, later growing into analog and digital echo/loop machinery. You could also say that these are all part of an evolving set of tools, used for repetition, and that there isn't really a distinction. People started with loops that they couldn't change. (happened to be on tape) They added the ability to change the speed. They added the ability to record continuously while playing back, to add stuff. They added the ability to control the feedback, to remove stuff. They added the ability to set the loop time on the fly, making rhythm easy. They added the ability to multiply and insert, allowing some song form. They added the ability to undo, for more ability to remove stuff. They added the ability to switch between different loops, for more song form. They added the ability to reverse on the fly, cause it was fun. They added the ability to synchronize to other devices, allowing groups. They added the ability to time-stretch loops, allowing easy tempo matching. They added the ability to pitch-change loops, allowing more harmony/melody. They added the ability to control multi-channel loops. etc etc. No need to pick an arbitrary point in the list to distinguish one half from the other. Each step adds something important to make the tool more musically useful. Various devices use more or less of them. Various musicians use more or less of them. Either way they can always move another step. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 19:11:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SNBS619180; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <05BE086E-9154-11D7-A984-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> References: <05BE086E-9154-11D7-A984-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:11:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: speaking of names... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:33 PM -0700 5/28/03, mark wrote: >What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music in any way? "Rock and Roll" refers to the act of fucking. >Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? "Jazz" means sperm. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 19:14:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SNE7X20007; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:14:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:13:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3ED1C4DD00001F02@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: speaking of names... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4SNDvB19981 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looping = multiple orgasms? peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:11:18 -0700 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Richard Zvonar >Subject: Re: speaking of names... >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >At 2:33 PM -0700 5/28/03, mark wrote: > >>What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music in any way? > >"Rock and Roll" refers to the act of fucking. > >>Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? > >"Jazz" means sperm. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 19:16:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SNGGI21354; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:14:20 -0700 Subject: Re: speaking of names... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Rock and Roll" refers to the act of fucking. > >> Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? > > "Jazz" means sperm. wow doc...you got a lot of books! s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 19:16:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SNGIG21356; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace R. Meyer" To: Subject: RE: speaking of names... Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:15:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c3256f$0ed3e070$0cd156d1@DellaReese> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh oh--so what the hell does "glitch" mean? (I shudder to think) Gary At 2:33 PM -0700 5/28/03, mark wrote: >What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music in any way? "Rock and Roll" refers to the act of fucking. >Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? "Jazz" means sperm. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 19:18:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SNGXE21363; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:16:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:16:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a601c3256a$15697620$e0154ed5@bigboy> References: <00a601c3256a$15697620$e0154ed5@bigboy> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:15:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Very fine new music... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -1 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >dunno if there's any looping going on on it - haven't been listening for it, >but someone mentioned an album on David Torn's list that featured Stig >Liebig on bass - dunno is Stig is still on this list - you there??? > >The album is 'Bone Structure' by Gregg Bendian - anyone got it? Haven't heard it yet, but if it's anywhere near as good as the last Bendian disc that Stig played on (1998's Myriad) it'll rock heartily. will definitely check it out! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 19:40:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SNdax23896; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:39:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:39:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:41:45 -0500 Subject: Re: speaking of names... Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2fiYd.A.D1F.uiU1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 06:11 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 2:33 PM -0700 5/28/03, mark wrote: >> What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music in any >> way? > "Rock and Roll" refers to the act of fucking. >> Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? > "Jazz" means sperm. In the Star Wars extended universe, Sy Snootles & the Rebo Band were purveyors of a style of intergalactic pop music style known as "jizzwailing". i suppose Lucas is intimately familiar with the history of american black music. i'm not making this stuff up: http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:cya8jVDuiooJ:www.thejawa.com/news/ arc8-2001.html+++jizzwailing&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 i've always been amused by the roots of the terms "Rock & Roll" and "Jazz", because my own tastes don't immediately associate the conventions of those genres with sexuality. but hell, if pornographic cinematographer's slang can enter onto "American Idol" without so much as a second glance, any association is possible i suppose: http://www.msnbc.com/news/743584.asp scroll down to May 20, 2003 / 12:41 p.m. ET maybe the looping community _does_ need a raunchy sexual term to fly as it's banner, then the genre term will last forever and be dissasociated in the mind of the listener with it's root. and then the genre umbrella (like jazz and rock) will be so generalised that anything can fit in it (like jazz and rock). i don't want to be on that committee, though. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 20:09:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T08Dg27717; Wed, 28 May 2003 20:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:07:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: speaking of names... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com According to Roget's Interactive thesaurus, "loop" is synonym for a contraceptive device, apparently in particular an IUD. Ironically appropriate, heh. -Alex S. > >>At 2:33 PM -0700 5/28/03, mark wrote: >>>What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music in any way? >>"Rock and Roll" refers to the act of fucking. >>>Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? >>"Jazz" means sperm. > >maybe the looping community _does_ need a raunchy sexual term to fly >as it's banner, then the genre term will last forever and be >dissasociated in the mind of the listener with it's root. and then >the genre umbrella (like jazz and rock) will be so generalised that >anything can fit in it (like jazz and rock). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 20:28:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T0Qrq29893; Wed, 28 May 2003 20:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:26:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030529002633.68659.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: 3 points - live vs's recorded, looping origin, and looping asgenre To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <035801c3255b$80322f10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heheheheh... In college (early '80's), the name of my band was "The Spontaneous Abstraction"; the closest we came to looping was to mix prepared tape loops (endless-loop cassettes loaded up with sound effects) into improvisations, but there was *a lot* of improvisation... (I did the two open-reels thing, but not at gigs...) -t- --- Jim Palmer wrote: > ahh... > in college, in search of a definition of > improvisation, > we came up with the term "spontaneous composition." > so, for us, they were not so different... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 20:29:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T0SOR30135; Wed, 28 May 2003 20:28:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:28:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c32578$f1de8060$1564f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305282156.h4SLuNr09081@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: 3 points continued Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:26:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Palmer wrote: "...in college, in search of a definition of improvisation, we came up with the term "spontaneous composition...." The classical composer Arnold Schoenberg is credited as saying: "Compostion is just really slow Improvisation." when I'm teaching young students approaches to improvisation I turn it around and say: "Improvisation is just really fast Composition" Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 20:31:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T0Tl530379; Wed, 28 May 2003 20:29:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:29:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030529002918.42070.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: speaking of names... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <05BE086E-9154-11D7-A984-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > Rock. Rock? What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does > it describe the > music in any way? Jazz? What the hell does Jazz > mean? It came from 'rock and roll' which was at first NOT a description of a musical style, but was a sexual innuendo. And likewise, 'jazz' came from... hmmm, I'm not sure we can say that here... Suffice it to say, it's slang for a certain body fluid... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 20:36:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T0ZBi31055; Wed, 28 May 2003 20:35:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:35:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030529003453.81838.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: speaking of names... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030529002918.42070.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sheesh, Dr. Z beat me to it! And he used no uncertain terms! -t- --- Tim Nelson wrote: > It came from 'rock and roll' which was at first NOT > a > description of a musical style, but was a sexual > innuendo. > > And likewise, 'jazz' came from... hmmm, I'm not sure > we can say that here... Suffice it to say, it's > slang > for a certain body fluid... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 20:51:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T0oGU32618; Wed, 28 May 2003 20:50:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:50:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ED55C02.4182C04E@erols.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:01:54 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: new EDP owner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just recieved my brandy new EDP +. Yee haw. Anyway, here is a completely paranoid question. I put the EDP in my rack directly underneath my Furman power conditioner, is this O.K.? Will there be any problem with heat from the power conditioner? Thanks in advance. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 20:56:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T0tOB00895; Wed, 28 May 2003 20:55:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:55:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030528172508.04c86e10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:56:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: speaking of names... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Porn movies were called Loops once upon a time. A Looper is also a species of caterpillar/moth. I'm not sure where that leaves us. I know I get spam sometimes from pesticide companies advertising ways to efficiently kill Loopers. So obviously some people out there have a preference for Dead Loopers instead of Live Loopers. (I haven't answered any of it yet.) I recommend staying out of agricultural areas. kim At 05:07 PM 5/28/2003, Alex Stahl wrote: >According to Roget's Interactive thesaurus, "loop" is synonym for a >contraceptive device, apparently in particular an IUD. Ironically >appropriate, heh. > >-Alex S. > >> >>>At 2:33 PM -0700 5/28/03, mark wrote: >>>>What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music in any way? >>>"Rock and Roll" refers to the act of fucking. >>>>Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? >>>"Jazz" means sperm. >> >>maybe the looping community _does_ need a raunchy sexual term to fly >>as it's banner, then the genre term will last forever and be >>dissasociated in the mind of the listener with it's root. and then the >>genre umbrella (like jazz and rock) will be so generalised that anything >>can fit in it (like jazz and rock). > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 21:11:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T1AEE03900; Wed, 28 May 2003 21:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:10:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030529010944.49287.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:09:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: a definition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030528185945.21590.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was hoping someone would answer my question by saying "No, that's process music." Which, in turn, would raise the question: in such a case, at what point does 'live looping' leave off and 'process music' begin? It definitely *started* as live looping. Even though I wasn't actively adding to the loops while I was writing the e-mail, I could've jumped back in at any moment. Is it the length of the pauses? Is it the fact that at a certain point I ceased to provide live input and let the machines continue to phase-slip the loops, even though it wasn't clear whether or not I'd be back to play some more notes or not. We're talking about one piece of music... Note also that my description of this music doesn't even begin to convey what it actually sounds like. In this case, it could probably be called 'dark ambient' or something, but it really could have been a lot of things. -t- --- Tim Nelson wrote: > np: Four unsynched loops consisting of notes that I > played on a stratocaster about twenty minutes ago > which are repeating and de-evolving on a three > channel system with various types and degrees of > post-processing on each channel. The music continues > to evolve and change even though I've put the guitar > down and am writing an e-mail. Am I live looping? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 21:22:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T1KsN04965; Wed, 28 May 2003 21:20:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:20:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 03:20:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: some old recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com since we were talking about it and I had colected my old recordings in the beginning of this year, I offer some on: http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/HistRecE.htm Some of the recordings are not very good, technically, but rather unique. There are some funny stories too. "Sacral" is a serious and well recorded Live Looping piece. have fun Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 21:23:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T1LZB05160; Wed, 28 May 2003 21:21:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:21:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030528152042.04bb91f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:23:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: a definition In-Reply-To: <006c01c32543$bc053400$3161f93f@global> References: <200305281531.h4SFVXJ28758@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3nseDD.A.WQB.QCW1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:05 AM 5/28/2003, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >The overall feeling of those two days was one of strong community. Not >everyone who attended felt it (obviously from Kim's posts) Where did you get that from my posts? I think we have a great virtual community of musicians into looping here at LD. Those Loop Festival events are a great real world extension of that online community. I also had a lot of fun at them and felt a great sense of community there. Musicians gather, talk shop, put real faces on the email address, hear people play, etc. Great! But it was all about the musicians. That's who the community was. What I'm not understanding is how those events are a useful promotional tool to potential audiences that are not also players. The marketing strategy does not make sense to me. So I'm asking questions about it, but not getting many satisfying answers. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 21:32:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T1VcV06677; Wed, 28 May 2003 21:31:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:31:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:31:05 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: a definition Message-ID: <2147483647.1054153865@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20030529010944.49287.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030529010944.49287.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if ideas like "live looping" or "free jazz" (my usual pidgeonhole) and the like don't overvalue our (we musicians) contribution to the outcome. I've understood John Cage and his cronies as trying to get intentionality OUT of music, and simply creating processes that result in sound. They seem to me to be saying ALL of it is just processes that result in sound. Does it matter that it's live, looped, improvised, or free? I know I struggled with my own (first) recording over whether to advertise that it was recorded "live in the studio," no overdubs, minimal after-processing. I finally decided that that was just some kind of musical machismo, and that the way it sounded was the way it was. I think Cage (let's see if I can make this cohere) directed us to the idea that "music" is really an act of listening, a stance one takes toward sound. Where that sound comes from, or how it's made, is perhaps only interesting to the makers. Now I'm not sure if that was germane or not. --On Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:09 PM -0700 Tim Nelson wrote: > I was hoping someone would answer my question by > saying "No, that's process music." > > Which, in turn, would raise the question: in such a > case, at what point does 'live looping' leave off and > 'process music' begin? It definitely *started* as live > looping. Even though I wasn't actively adding to the > loops while I was writing the e-mail, I could've > jumped back in at any moment. Is it the length of the > pauses? Is it the fact that at a certain point I > ceased to provide live input and let the machines > continue to phase-slip the loops, even though it > wasn't clear whether or not I'd be back to play some > more notes or not. We're talking about one piece of > music... > > Note also that my description of this music doesn't > even begin to convey what it actually sounds like. In > this case, it could probably be called 'dark ambient' > or something, but it really could have been a lot of > things. > > -t- > > --- Tim Nelson wrote: >> np: Four unsynched loops consisting of notes that I >> played on a stratocaster about twenty minutes ago >> which are repeating and de-evolving on a three >> channel system with various types and degrees of >> post-processing on each channel. The music continues >> to evolve and change even though I've put the guitar >> down and am writing an e-mail. Am I live looping? > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > --- www.endtimequartet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 21:44:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T1i1W08136; Wed, 28 May 2003 21:44:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:44:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: EFC-7 Switches (again) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:43:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c32583$bba4a960$2f2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <20030529010944.49287.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While researching some different feeling switches on my EFC-7, I came across the footcontroller for a Johnson J-Station preamp, which has some pretty good-feeling switches. Not mechanically loud, but you can tell when you press em. Opening it up, I got the part #.. R13-85. Looking online, I found em: http://www.sci.com.tw/htm/switch/(R13)%20PUSH%20SWITCH/R13-85.htm Anyone with more electronic knowledge than I care to look at the specs and see if it would work? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 22:40:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T2dWj14504; Wed, 28 May 2003 22:39:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:39:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c3258b$d9f99440$b43ec797@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030528153946.049ce1e0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:41:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [151.199.62.180] at Wed, 28 May 2003 21:39:16 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It occurs to me that what Kim describes is a progression of capabilities to add flexibility and "fluidity" not unlike the progression of computing in general. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator > At 12:55 AM 5/28/2003, Michael Peters wrote: > >What is a loop anyway? Maybe this has been said before: We should make a > >clear distinction here ... the word 'loop' is used to describe 1) static, > >closed tape loops which typically don't evolve (today we would say: samples, > >or loops in the DJ sense), but also 2) open, evolving loops with continuous > >input, like Terry Riley's system, based on tape echo units or two tape > >recorders, later growing into analog and digital echo/loop machinery. > > You could also say that these are all part of an evolving set of tools, > used for repetition, and that there isn't really a distinction. > > People started with loops that they couldn't change. (happened to be on tape) > They added the ability to change the speed. > They added the ability to record continuously while playing back, to add stuff. > They added the ability to control the feedback, to remove stuff. > They added the ability to set the loop time on the fly, making rhythm easy. > They added the ability to multiply and insert, allowing some song form. > They added the ability to undo, for more ability to remove stuff. > They added the ability to switch between different loops, for more song form. > They added the ability to reverse on the fly, cause it was fun. > They added the ability to synchronize to other devices, allowing groups. > They added the ability to time-stretch loops, allowing easy tempo matching. > They added the ability to pitch-change loops, allowing more harmony/melody. > They added the ability to control multi-channel loops. > etc etc. > > No need to pick an arbitrary point in the list to distinguish one half from > the other. Each step adds something important to make the tool more > musically useful. Various devices use more or less of them. Various > musicians use more or less of them. Either way they can always move another > step. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 22:42:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T2fqR14946; Wed, 28 May 2003 22:41:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:41:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c3258c$2dea8820$b43ec797@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3ED55C02.4182C04E@erols.com> Subject: Re: new EDP owner Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:44:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [151.199.62.180] at Wed, 28 May 2003 21:41:37 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com god bless you - a good ole' GEAR question! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mazzarella" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: new EDP owner > I just recieved my brandy new EDP +. Yee haw. > > Anyway, here is a completely paranoid question. > I put the EDP in my rack directly underneath my Furman power > conditioner, is this O.K.? Will there be any problem with heat from the > power conditioner? Thanks in advance. > > John > www.johnmazzarella.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 22:44:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T2iSs15231; Wed, 28 May 2003 22:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:44:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c3258c$88686ce0$b43ec797@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3ED1C4DD00001F02@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: speaking of names... Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:46:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [151.199.62.180] at Wed, 28 May 2003 21:44:09 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and UNDO would be what??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Roberts" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: Re: speaking of names... > Looping = multiple orgasms? > > peace > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:11:18 -0700 > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >From: Richard Zvonar > >Subject: Re: speaking of names... > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >At 2:33 PM -0700 5/28/03, mark wrote: > > > >>What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music in any way? > > > >"Rock and Roll" refers to the act of fucking. > > > >>Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? > > > >"Jazz" means sperm. > >-- > > > >______________________________________________________________ > >Richard Zvonar, PhD > >(818) 788-2202 > >http://www.zvonar.com > >http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 00:18:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T4I5U24577; Thu, 29 May 2003 00:18:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:18:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:17:40 -0700 Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: a definition From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030528152042.04bb91f8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/28/03 6:23 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > But it was all about the musicians. That's who the community was. What I'm > not understanding is how those events are a useful promotional tool to > potential audiences that are not also players. The marketing strategy does > not make sense to me. So I'm asking questions about it, but not getting > many satisfying answers. Well I did have two non-performers who didn't show any signs of being players -- e.g., they didn't ask any gear questions -- come up to me after Y2K2 wanting to know where my CD was. (I didn't have one at the time.) So, that's slightly broader than just the loopers themselves. On the other hand, it was Santa Cruz. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 00:20:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T4H3I24376; Thu, 29 May 2003 00:17:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:17:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <08b601c325cb$3b1f6d50$bda44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <3ED55C02.4182C04E@erols.com> <001f01c3258c$2dea8820$b43ec797@hppav> Subject: Re: new EDP owner Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:15:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com shouldn't be a problem. one suggestion: get an oscillating fan that clamps on and hook it to your rack to move the air around. it's a cheap solution and works fine for me. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 00:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T4Y3J26144; Thu, 29 May 2003 00:34:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:34:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ED58DA2.3010501@quik.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:33:38 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: a definition References: <200305281531.h4SFVXJ28758@hemlock.violacea.com> <006c01c32543$bc053400$3161f93f@global> In-Reply-To: <006c01c32543$bc053400$3161f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > It's all really o.k. WHAT IS, IS. I agree with Rick. Semantics will always lead to a dead end, in the end ;-) D.G. darsantrio.thedivided.com littlewhales.thedivided.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 00:38:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T4c3S26715; Thu, 29 May 2003 00:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:38:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ED58E9E.80800@quik.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:37:50 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper References: <028001c32499$e2102150$080210ac@jpalmer> <2147483647.1054054649@localhost> In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1054054649@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Townes Van Zandt said there's only two kinds of music: Blues and Zipidee Doo Da. Guess which kind I play... D.G. darsantrio.thedivided.com littlewhales.thedivided.com Kelly Coyle wrote: > Music with words, music without words. > /Ornette > > --On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:49 PM -0500 Jim Palmer wrote: > > >> -- in the end it's all just MUSIC :) :) :) > > > > yeah... > > > > really, there's only two kinds of music. > > good music and bad music. > > of course, i get to decide which is which. > > just ask me if you are unsure... > > > > > > > > > > --- > www.endtimequartet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 00:40:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T4eDE27047; Thu, 29 May 2003 00:40:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:40:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030528224606.00931260@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:46:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: speaking of names... In-Reply-To: <3ED1C4DD00001F02@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-0_vvB.A.DmG.g8Y1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is more like it!... lol! Happily Looping, Cara At 04:13 PM 5/28/03 -0700, you wrote: >Looping = multiple orgasms? > >peace >-cpr > >>-- Original Message -- >>Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:11:18 -0700 >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>From: Richard Zvonar >>Subject: Re: speaking of names... >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >>At 2:33 PM -0700 5/28/03, mark wrote: >> >>>What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music in any way? >> >>"Rock and Roll" refers to the act of fucking. >> >>>Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? >> >>"Jazz" means sperm. >>-- >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Richard Zvonar, PhD >>(818) 788-2202 >>http://www.zvonar.com >>http://RZCybernetics.com >> > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 00:44:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T4hcS27423; Thu, 29 May 2003 00:43:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:43:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030528224926.007a1d30@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:49:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: speaking of names... In-Reply-To: <000201c3256f$0ed3e070$0cd156d1@DellaReese> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -that could be some pretty seriously crazy sex! woohoo! Hey, btw, Gary, where the heck are you guys at the moment?, anyway?... Smiles, Cara At 04:15 PM 5/28/03 -0700, you wrote: >Uh oh--so what the hell does "glitch" mean? >(I shudder to think) >Gary > >At 2:33 PM -0700 5/28/03, mark wrote: > >>What the hell does "Rock" mean? Does it describe the music in any way? > >"Rock and Roll" refers to the act of fucking. > >>Jazz? What the hell does Jazz mean? > >"Jazz" means sperm. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 01:43:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T5gwf32471; Thu, 29 May 2003 01:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 01:42:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c325a4$e3cc7f00$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: <028001c32499$e2102150$080210ac@jpalmer> <2147483647.1054054649@localhost> <3ED58E9E.80800@quik.com> Subject: Townes Van Zandt Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:41:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <1oXfu.A.l6H.X3Z1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i miss townes. he was real deal one of the great gretas. great quote below. jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: dgoat To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper > Townes Van Zandt said there's only two kinds of music: Blues and Zipidee > Doo Da. > > Guess which kind I play... > > D.G. > darsantrio.thedivided.com > littlewhales.thedivided.com > > Kelly Coyle wrote: > > Music with words, music without words. > > /Ornette > > > > --On Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:49 PM -0500 Jim Palmer wrote: > > > > >> -- in the end it's all just MUSIC :) :) :) > > > > > > yeah... > > > > > > really, there's only two kinds of music. > > > good music and bad music. > > > of course, i get to decide which is which. > > > just ask me if you are unsure... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > www.endtimequartet.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 02:07:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T67QS02754; Thu, 29 May 2003 02:07:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:07:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Romonascram@aol.com Message-ID: <1d3.aae2bba.2c06fd85@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:07:01 EDT Subject: Re: Townes Van Zandt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d3.aae2bba.2c06fd85_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d3.aae2bba.2c06fd85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The unsubscribe address is needed especially since my address is being bombarded with numerous e-mail. Unneccessary JUNK. HELP!!!!!!!!!! --part1_1d3.aae2bba.2c06fd85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The unsubscribe address is needed especially since my=20= address is being bombarded with numerous e-mail.  Unneccessary JUNK.&nb= sp; HELP!!!!!!!!!! --part1_1d3.aae2bba.2c06fd85_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 02:56:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T6tHA05108; Thu, 29 May 2003 02:55:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:55:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030529065405.91308.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: LIVE LOOPING: a definition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030528185945.21590.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You missed one: How many non-evolving repetitions are allowed?´Can i loop something let it run and go to the tolet or grab a bite to eat and come back afterwards?Would this fall into the category of unatended loops? > Let's vote. > > Based on the discussion of the past few days, and > having appointed ourselves the final authority on > all > things musical, semantic and/or loopy (;-)), let us > choose from amongst the following: > > A) Trumpet players may only play at events billed as > trumpeting events, and all live looping must take > place at events described as such. Truth in > advertising and all that, even if it means only > trumpeters, loopers and their respective spouses > will > attend... > > B) Promoters are hereby banned from promoting > exclusive events such as 'trumpeting' or 'looping' > festivals, and all musicians who wish to play an > instrument in public must do so in the company of > others who play an extremely similar style of music > so > that the audience will not be forced to experience > something new or unfamiliar. All such musical events > must be clearly labeled by category so people know > what they're in for. > > C) Musicians are free to perform in various > contexts, > situations and combinations, juxtaposed as they > wish. > Promoters may choose to group artists by instrument, > musical genre, astrological sign, eye color or shoe > size, or may choose not to group them at all. > Audiences may choose to attend (or not) based on > whatever criterion happens to appeal to them. > > I'm voting for the third one. > > -t- > > np: Four unsynched loops consisting of notes that I > played on a stratocaster about twenty minutes ago > which are repeating and de-evolving on a three > channel > system with various types and degrees of > post-processing on each channel. The music continues > to evolve and change even though I've put the guitar > down and am writing an e-mail. Am I live looping? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 03:36:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T7aYn08910; Thu, 29 May 2003 03:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 03:36:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030529073554.21029.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Defining loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah,Das muß ich unbedingt sehen! --- Matthias Grob wrote: > >I am sure my definition is not the best ,but when i > >say a world percussionist who create live loops is > >coming to town in july has been until now clearly > >understood and worked to get attention.At first i > said > > a "percussionist looper" and it wasn¥t clearly > >understood. > >Now if i had describe Rick as a green hair > > its not the hair which are rather blond now, its the > shoes and socks > and froggie gloves and air damped bags... and as a > bass drum he uses > a green frisbee and it sounds good! > > :-) > > >percussionist coming who plays with himeself > wouldn¥t > >be fair either,would it? > >Just kidding brother:-) > >Louie > > > > maybe a "looping percussionist" would be less > ofending? :-) > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > ===== www.labalou.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 05:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4T9eiK22625; Thu, 29 May 2003 05:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 05:40:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 05:40:25 EDT Subject: Genres + Movements + Live + Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok perhaps I should put my thoughts down without trying to reply to individual points. As I'm the guy who registered "livelooping.com". It's my responsibility to see that the site is not used for promotion of specific hardware/artists (and not used for child-porn etc etc), though it's not my place to determine the content of the site. There's this thing called "Live Looping" that some of us do, Geoff called it a genre, Rick called it a movement. I'd define it as a type of music which is created from sounds which are produced at the time (=live), and then taken and repeated/edited electronically (=looping). I personally wouldn't think of someone using a lot of pre-recorded loops as being a "live-looping artist". I wouldn't think of "hip-hop" as being "live-looping", because of the strong pre-recorded element and emphasis on lyrical content, but more to the point, I don't think hip-hoppers would ever want to be called live-looping, which makes the question somewhat academic. Also not a dj, although if they were using scratching as a source for loop manipulation then in my definition they'd qualify. .....but if anyone at all wants to say that their music is "Live Looping" then thats fine with me. I don't think I have to define "LiveLooping" in terms of "exactly what you will hear at a livelooping event" and I'll bring in the following example to indicate why. A guy does a gig where he plays a CD of a jazz band. It sounds exactly like jazz. Is he a jazz musician ? No, he isn't, he's more likely a dj. LiveLooping isn't like a dance genre, where the content seems to be pretty narrowly defined. I don't see that just because certain popular musical styles are defined in this way that livelooping should be. There are lot's of music-labels about that don't give you a spectragraphic analysis. My own looping music tends to combine a wide range of "musical styles", it's not ambient usually, and not minimal, and a fair proportion of the sounds I generate don't sound like a guitar. So I'm glad to be associated with Rick, Matthias &co. and LiveLooping. If this leaves anyone feeling excluded (who doesn't want to be) then please say. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 06:39:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TAcmi28068; Thu, 29 May 2003 06:38:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 06:38:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527193852.04bcc008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesus! on 28/5/03 10:57 pm, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > At 11:43 AM 5/27/2003, Geoff Smith wrote: >>> So when you try to claim Live Looping as a genre, I'm still lost as to what >>> you are talking about. I really don't see how regular music listeners can >>> understand it either. Certainly you can explain to them about the looping >>> techniques and devices the musicians are using, and maybe they will find >>> that a bit interesting in an educational way. But that isn't describing the >>> music, and ultimately people go to listen to music not the musician's >>> technique. > >> When i listen to the music of Live-Looping (there I am calling it that right >> from the start) I genuinely here huge similarities between the artists I >> have talked about. > > Is that because you are listening to only a narrow subset of Loopers, or do > you actually detect some common characteristics across all of the wildly > different musicians using looping? If your source listenings are what you > list in your paper and mention here, I'm afraid it sounds like the former > to me. More ammo for u..... No my argument is that essentially it doesn't matter how varied the musicians are who use it, the process of Live-looping is so powerful that it transforms what they do. This is true of hip-hop where artists have added everything from classical music to electronic music and everything in between there tracks. It still sounds like Hip-Hop! I would argue it is the musicians personality that makes them distinct within the genre of Live-Looping not the other way around. For example Rick Walker has a personality and so does Mattius however they both sound like Live-Loopers to me. And for the record I have listened to a huge amount of Live-Looping material, my paper simply tries to pick out people I thought were the most significant. If I were to write long lists it would become boring. > >> For this to work I only consider artists who use a Live-Looping device as a >> major part of what they do. To illustrate why... drum and bass doesn't sound >> the way it does simply because someone adds a speed up drum beat, its a full >> engagement with a form of music. > > Drum and Bass also doesn't sound the way it does because people use cubase > and fruity loops to create it. > No but during its early years all people were talking about was the use of their samplers and how much they loved them. Also a sequencer like cubase or fruity loops or a sampler in common use is not played its a tool for off-line composition. Live-Looping just like Turntablism has a different set of parameters. > So why do you think this "Live Looping" genre is defined by the tools, when > drum and bass is not? Why not by specific musical characteristics as you > just semi-explained d&b is defined? Live-Looping has specific characteristics I believe you yourself had a rant at people who just wanted to use Live-Looping in the Frippertronics sense. Was it the emulation simply of Fripps guitar style you were talking about? Or the emulation of his Live-Looping style? > >> This is true of Live-Looping for someone to >> be considered part of the genre they must make heavy use of the Live-Looper, >> i.e. it can not be just an arbitory addition or effect. > > that goes back to the Trumpet players are in the Trumpeter genre > example.... I still don't see how the tools used to create can define a > genre. If somebody tells me to come to their Trumpet concert I don't know > if they are going to be playing mariachi or bebop or marching band. I would > be really annoyed if I stayed home because I was fearing marching band and > it turned out to be mariachi. If they said "mariachi" right from the start, > I'd be there. > > second point: the problem is not that we need to restrict things to say > this is a music that only makes "heavy use of the Live-Looper" (presumably > meaning the device in this case rather than the musician). The problem is > that even once you have made that restriction, the music that results still > covers such a wide range as to be impossible to categorize together. It is > too broad a term to be of useful meaning to the listener. > > And as Rick claims, what is is. "Looping" and even "Live Looping" have used > for a long time to refer to a set of tools, instruments, and techniques > employed by many musicians creating many types of music. It's already done. > To suddenly try to call one style of music "Live Looping" today causes > confusion and conflict. > Think Turntabilsm as opposed to DJing. Both use the same equipment however the bias or focus of turntabism is different to that of DJing. Taking the trumpet example, if I sang a song and for the last 8 bars I played the trumpet, I would be a singer first and foremost who did a bit of trumpet playing. Same as a musician who sings a song and uses looping for the last 8bars is not a Live-Looper they are someone who uses Live-Looping i.e. its not their main focus so I wouldn't label them with that. you said "It is > too broad a term to be of useful meaning to the listener." I really don't believe this is true as I have played about 15 people a selection of Live-Looping music and they have all seen it as the same kind of thing. Indeed my friends who went to see Bjork non musicians and musicians alike said to me Geoff u would have loved it, Layla Arab came on and did some Live-Looping of Bjork voice just like you did with Blah blah blah. So if theatre students art students and music students can say that.... > >> Okay so considering people who do this... >> If I went to http://www.looproom.com/index_engl.php >> and downloaded music by Rick, Matthius, and Per Boysen (which I have done >> incidently) I would argue that the music has a lot in common as a listening >> experience. > > (By the way, I'm really looking forward to hearing the collaborations > between them myself.) > > The tracks on that particular site do seem a little similar, which again > leads me to wonder if you have relied on too few sources to support your > thesis. It seems like a rather small subset of all the things I've heard > done with looping. (it is a sample of only 3....) However, in many other > ways these three seem quite different. So, I'm curious. What specifically, > are the similarities you hear that lead you to your conclusion? What are the differences you hear apart from the instrument they play. I hear similarities in the building blocks of each persons music that relates to a similar structural feel. Its like if 4 pianos, 4 cellos, a string quartet, 2 thumb pianos and two nose blown flutes each play a different piece by the same composer, the music will have a personality, but will in one sense sound different. > > >> The very function of looping a live instrumentalist has such a powerful >> aesthetic effect that I would argue that this in most cases creates a >> feeling of similarity between individual pieces or artists. > > ok, so go ahead and state the arguments you would make then. What are those > similarities that create this "powerful aesthetic effect"? > The very ones Andre talks about trying to break away from, the very ones that make him such a stand out artist. Would Andre Lafosse sound so new and interesting if there weren't for the fact that there was such an established sound to Live-looping. I think not. I think it is because there has been a particular sound that has characterized Live-Looping that Andre stands as such a breath of fresh air. I also predict that we will now see a lot of Andre sound a likes. As I think he has genuinely discovered a new form or sound of Live-Looping. Would you say that Andre has simply found a new style of guitar playing and if so how come if I took the essence of Andre's ideas and applied it to my Hammond organ playing (which is quite bad) or my saxophone playing (which is doggy) then it would sound very similar and people would be able to say I was ripping off his ideas and sound. > Maybe I'm an imbecile, but when I think of all the Live Loopers I've seen > perform or listened to recordings of, I can't figure out how the resulting > music all goes together in the same bin. They can be grouped together by > the tools and techniques used to create, in the way Percussionists or > Trumpeters can be grouped, but that's a musician thing. I don't see how the > resulting music all goes together for the listener. I agree that all the music doesn't go together that is the beauty of diversity, however a significant amount does that makes (in my mind) it worth stating the case for a genre. > >> Looping creates form that is clear, >> ... and I believe it creates such a specific form that it ties music >> together. > > If it is so specific, it should be easy to explain. Can you describe what > that form is for me? It definitely isn't easy to explain, definitions are the hardest things to write in the world, in my opinion! Its like Eric Tamm stated in his Brian Eno book the process of tape delay system is hard to describe but once you have heard it it all makes sense very quickly. >> In the same way hip-hop covers so many different musicians etc. > > but it is pretty easy to describe the musical characteristics of hip hop > music and its various sub genres, such that someone unfamiliar with it can > recognize it and understand a bit of what is going on. That is because "hip > hop music" refers to the audible characteristics in the result. Okay so if someone had not heard instrumental hip-hop do u think this would be easy to describe to someone? I think it would really diffucult. for instance take DJ shadow entroducing album I think that would be hugely difficult to describe, without mentioning the tools it was created with. >> So Live-Looping can do the same, because there is a basic form that is >> popular. > > is there? > >> Compare Terry Riley's 'Poppy No good etc' to Per Boysen's Saxophone pieces >> and the similarities are obvious. > > Yes, remarkably so. Maybe a little too much so. :-) Terry Riley usually > falls into the "Minimalist" genre, and even refers to himself as a > Minimalist composer. Is there some reason that wasn't working? Why not just > continue to say he is a minimalist, since it already seems to be a clear > term that is reasonably understood. Perhaps we might say Per is a > Minimalist also? Or perhaps Ambient? Listening to his music, those are the > terms that come to mind. Ahh but I would argue that Riley's Poppy No-Good, Dorian Reeds etc. has very little in common with the work of Lamonte Young also a Minimalist in the same way you argue against Live-Looping. > > >> It is perhaps harder to perceive when u >> compare music made on different types of instruments, but i believe the form >> is still very clear. Take Eno and Fripp's 'No Pussyfooting' and listen to >> that and imagine it was played on a saxophone.... you must see it!!!!! > > Again, you are talking about only one type of music that is often made with > looping. You also refer to music made with very rudimentary looping > techniques, from a time when the looping instruments themselves were too > limited to be useful for a wide range of applications. Following your > paper, this obviously causes you quite some difficulty in supporting your > thesis when you get to later musicians using newer looping tools, and > presumably would cause you even more difficulty if you considered a wider > range of loopers covering different styles. who should I look at, I considered max/msp loopers (i sat on the discussion forum for 4months! checking out peoples work) it doesn't get much more far out than those mother freakers. > > Fripp and Eno's thing usually gets called "Ambient", which seems to work > fine for most people. Is there something wrong with continuing to use that > reasonably well understood term? It describes the musical result rather > than the tools used, which is usually what listeners are after in a > descriptive term about music. Eno invented the term Ambient and didn't apply it to his collorations with Fripp. > > Both "Ambient" and "Minimalism" are types of music where the musicians have > found looping techniques to be useful. However, looping is used in many > other places as well. It seems you are lumping Ambient and Minimalism > together because of the frequent use of loopers shared between them and > then ignoring all other types of music made with the same looping tools. Like what? I recognise you know more then me than please tell me. > >> Live-Looping like all music genres has progressed this can be heard on Amy X >> Neuburg' s 'tattoo' however the roots of the music can still be perceived > > they can? Amy's music doesn't sound even remotely like Terry Riley. Nobody > would say they play the same type of music. She uses tremendous amounts of > live looping though. Which one gets to be the Live Looper? Both, and it does sound linked to Riley's to me. The difference being she can break the evolving texture thing, because of the more loops multiply functions of the EDP. > >> i.e. I can still hear the same fascination with looped live recorded audio. > > Yes, you can also hear that same fascination in hip hop. Live hip hop often > includes dj's live-looping beats by switching back and forth between two > records. That's the classic hip hop sound. It is called Looping there too, > and as far as I'm concerned it is looping. There are many dj's now doing > this with actual loopers and turntables. I assume you don't consider hip > hop as part of this "Live Looping" genre, even though it can include the > same elements in its creation? I have wanted to see this live name me some names to check out. > >> The form is just more fragmented now (thanks to new functions on the EDP. > > The tools follow what the musicians request. The EDP didn't cause anything > to be fragmented (other than loops themselves). Neither did the Repeater or > the JamMan or whatever. Musicians want to use looping in many ways, and ask > for different features. The tools evolve to meet those musical needs. I don't agree. Musicians want to use looping but they want to progress and hence their imagination gets involved and they then ask for new features to break common stylistic trends. i think the Live-Looper is gaining a vocabulary of musical devices in the way turntablism has. How you put these together will define personality. And those who show musical use will be remembered as pioneers of this e.g. Lafosse. > >> Live-Looping music is characterized by the looping of live instruments in >> recorded form, obvious yes but hugely significant as no other form of music >> does this. > > well, hip hop does it also as I just pointed out, so it seems to contradict > your definition here. Unless we are now declaring hip hop as a sub-genre of > our Live Looping genre. Live pre-recorded i.e. the record is not recorded there and then. It is therefore significantly different. > >> If you play samples of music that aren't created live they have a >> totally different feel....etc. Sequenced music is looping but is >> characterised by looping synth sounds or sampled sounds and therefor has a >> very different aesthetic effect. > > So is "Sequencer Music" another genre then? that seems unlikely. What if a > piece music made live with a sequencer sounded exactly like another piece > music made live with a Looper? Are they different genres due to the > different tools used? Or same genre because they sound alike? > >> One of the few people who is maybe unrecognisable as a Live-Looper is David >> Torn on his recent work. This I believe is because of the huge range of >> processing he uses, >> I talk about this in my paper. > > Is that just because his music doesn't fit your thesis? Most people seem to > see what David does as Looping, and his use of looping techniques is widely > known. He employs the techniques all over the place quite obviously, and > certainly does a lot of it live. So by your definition he must be a Live > Looper. Yet his music sounds nothing like many other Live Loopers. Not at all his music does fit, his early music fits very well indeed conforming to all of the things I would expect. Its just that his Live-Looper has BECOME part of such a complex rig, as to make the Looper harder to distingish, the effects of which are obvious and I believe I talked about this. I.e. if the Looper ceases to be the major part then it becomes less recognisable because there is so much more going on. > > Why not characterize all these as musicians using the same > tools/instruments, but *not* playing the same type of music? I think your > paper was doing just great when it was following that direction, but you > got into difficulty when you tried to propose it all as a single musical > genre. > > >> So I set you the challenge name 5-10 prominent Live-Looping pieces that you >> feel cannot be characterised together. And I will respond. > > Chet Atkins - "Jam Man" (Grammy winning tune) > DJ Radar - "Antimatter" (one turntable and a looper, djradar.com) > Andre LaFosse - "Continuous Mix #2" (nu-skool andre) > David Torn - "Busy Cutting Crap" from Splattercell:::Oah > Howie Day - live set at www.kcrw.org > Andre LaFosse - "Disruption Theory" from album of same name (old-skool andre) > Terry Riley - Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band > > that's seven, seems good enough. good luck! > > kim Okay give me a while, and I will respond, but for now I need a break! I am just finishing my third year. I have a composition portfolio to do that's recording an album and writing the material, documentation to do, and a four performances to help with play in, a festival to tech for, a partner to spend more time with whose sick of me doing written work. And a pile of stuff to sort out thats been waiting for me to finish my paper. I do very much see your points of view. However to discuss this fully would require person to person and a pile of CDs. Cheers Geoff > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 07:54:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TBqus02882; Thu, 29 May 2003 07:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:52:33 +0200 Subject: Re: 3 points continued Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006601c32578$f1de8060$1564f93f@global> Message-Id: <08D46E62-91CC-11D7-8087-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1oH_kB.A.ys.NSf1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 02:26 am, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > "Improvisation is just really fast Composition" I have said exactly the same thing to my students! If you hear a lot of Vivaldi's/Mozarts music, there are a lot of rounds - and I am sure that he had a single repeat delay inside his head. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 08:12:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TCALr05799; Thu, 29 May 2003 08:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:09:55 +0200 Subject: RE: usage of looping as genre etc. From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Message-ID: <19LMEN-0oJOnwC@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4TCAAB05755 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Kim, dear all, I agree to some extent with Kim's criticism of an overly use of the term 'live looping music', but only in a longer perspective. In fact I feel that at this point in time it might just be a perfect promo tool to lift our individual and common efforts off the ground. Case in point: in preparing the Berlin Live Looping Meeting on July 4th in Berlin as part of Rick's summer tour I had the first real serious conversation with the man in charge for the German/continental distributor of the EDP whom I tried to hook in vain a couple of times before (just recently for the Frankfurt fare 2003 in combined effort with Matthias). Dunno, but it might just have been a good step towards finally getting them to do something for the promotion of the EDP. Just as a realtime audio looping device can be a useful tool for live musicians, composers, music students/teachers, DJ's and more one musician can do a lot with and without these things. Without musicality and creativity any new technology become stale. But for example a jazz player could get wider recognition for his/her use of a looper in his/her community when it becomes known that there is a dedicated scene and maybe even an audience for looping as such. But of course I see the danger of a novelty thing rubbing off soon. So I'd say do one thing without leaving the other, and most importantly focus on good music. When I work on my solo programm which includes a lot of loops I make a conscious effort of avoiding the dangerous cliche of monotonuousness (sorry, that's MONOTONIE in German) that I often find irritating even in the advanced and very interesting work of, say DT or Andrè. That means I try to work with extensions of my own live audio without the typical scent of the Holy Church of Ostinato. Also I try to keep a good chunk of my live material strictly solo guitar with minimal sound effects. Peace, Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 10:29:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TESD520881; Thu, 29 May 2003 10:28:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:28:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054218436!23324 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB0BC@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Time Lag Accumulator Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:26:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C325EE.48B966A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C325EE.48B966A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" People started with loops that they couldn't change. (happened to be on tape) They added the ability to change the speed. They added the ability to record continuously while playing back, to add stuff. They added the ability to control the feedback, to remove stuff. They added the ability to set the loop time on the fly, making rhythm easy. They added the ability to multiply and insert, allowing some song form. They added the ability to undo, for more ability to remove stuff. They added the ability to switch between different loops, for more song form. They added the ability to reverse on the fly, cause it was fun. They added the ability to synchronize to other devices, allowing groups. They added the ability to time-stretch loops, allowing easy tempo matching. They added the ability to pitch-change loops, allowing more harmony/melody. They added the ability to control multi-channel loops. etc etc.<< kim, did you write this e-mail on an EDP? :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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People started with loops that they couldn't change. (happened to be on tape)
They added the ability to change the speed.
They added the ability to record continuously while playing back, to add stuff.
They added the ability to control the feedback, to remove stuff.
They added the ability to set the loop time on the fly, making rhythm easy.
They added the ability to multiply and insert, allowing some song form.
They added the ability to undo, for more ability to remove stuff.
They added the ability to switch between different loops, for more song form.
They added the ability to reverse on the fly, cause it was fun.
They added the ability to synchronize to other devices, allowing groups.
They added the ability to time-stretch loops, allowing easy tempo matching.
They added the ability to pitch-change loops, allowing more harmony/melody.
They added the ability to control multi-channel loops.
etc etc.<<

kim, did you write this e-mail on an EDP? :-)

duncan.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C325EE.48B966A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 11:00:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TExoU25903; Thu, 29 May 2003 10:59:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:59:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1054220337!35053 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB0C0@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Time Lag Accumulator Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:58:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C325F2.B7B54750" Resent-Message-ID: <-REmEC.A.iTG.YBi1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C325F2.B7B54750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > (p.s. mellotrons don't inherently have loops of tape > in them. it is possible to fit loops though.) At the expense of the note's attack portion, though! Although it would be nice to get around the time duration limit imposed by the strips of tape...<< true, tim, but you'd be surprised (most players encountering the mellotron for the first time are) just how long 8 seconds is in the context of most music. by careful application of reverb, and a little "paddling" of the keys held for a particular chord, the tapes can be allowed to rewind a short distance and recommence from somewhere after the attack section. or, of course, you could just buy a sampler.... :-) rick wakeman got a bloke called dave biro to help him with a keyboard design that used NAB carts instead of the mellotron's 3/8" tapes. they made about 13 of these things before it become obvious that rossum et al were going to have a working emulator on the market quite soon and quite cheaply. but there are still a healthy number of 'trons out ther still leading active lives, ours included. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C325F2.B7B54750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Time Lag Accumulator

> (p.s. mellotrons don't inherently have loops of tape=
> in them. it is possible to fit loops though.)

At the expense of the note's attack portion, though!
Although it would be nice to get around the time
duration limit imposed by the strips of tape...<<<= /FONT>

true, tim, but you'd be surprised (most players encounter= ing the mellotron for the first time are) just how long 8 seconds is in the= context of most music. by careful application of reverb, and a little &quo= t;paddling" of the keys held for a particular chord, the tapes can be = allowed to rewind a short distance and recommence from somewhere after the = attack section.

or, of course, you could just buy a sampler.... :-) =
rick wakeman got a bloke called dave biro to help him wi= th a keyboard design that used NAB carts instead of the mellotron's 3/8&quo= t; tapes. they made about 13 of these things before it become obvious that = rossum et al were going to have a working emulator on the market quite soon= and quite cheaply. but there are still a healthy number of 'trons out ther= still leading active lives, ours included.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C325F2.B7B54750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 11:52:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TFpDL32554; Thu, 29 May 2003 11:51:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:51:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: EFC-7 Switches (again) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:45:23 -0500 x-sender: billmonk@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bill Monk To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <1tzNWD.A.r4H.3vi1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >While researching some different feeling switches on my EFC-7, I came >across the footcontroller for a Johnson J-Station preamp, which has some >pretty good-feeling switches. Not mechanically loud, but you can tell >when you press em. Opening it up, I got the part #.. R13-85. Looking >online, I found em: >http://www.sci.com.tw/htm/switch/(R13)%20PUSH%20SWITCH/R13-85.htm Those switches are in a number of Digitech products like the J3, J8 and J12, and the external controller for the GNX3's JamMan function (hmm, guess they licensed it from Lexicon since they're calling it JamMan(tm). Anyway they seem to be good switches. I have a couple of heavily used J12 footcontrollers (that's 24 switches worth) and have never had any problems. I couldn't find a way to order from the sci.com site, so didn't see a price, but they're offered at $3.88 each at http://outlet.johnson-amp.com. Seems like they'd work just fine in the EFC-7. They're momentary contact, and the spring loading isn't too stiff but there's still a decent amount of resistance. However one thing I like to do with the EFC is push a button with my big toe, then kind of pop the toe off it to one side and let the button snap back up. On the J12, the switches will make kind of a loud clunk in the steel chassis if you do that, I'm sure it'd be the smae in the EFC. But not a big deal. But they're just not as comfortable as the red switches to play barefoot.... Hmm, you gave me an idea, installing the red switches into the J12 might be a good little project.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 12:52:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TGqJe08958; Thu, 29 May 2003 12:52:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:52:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030529165156.97998.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Time Lag Accumulator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB0C0@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > true, tim, but you'd be surprised (most players > encountering the mellotron for the first time are) > just how long 8 seconds is in the context of most > music. I think my experience with the mellotron is coloured by the fact that the only one I've ever used wasn't in the best condition and the tapes were a lot shorter than they are supposed to be! I used to record at Fort Apache in Cambridge, MA, and they have two 'trons that they purchased when the Broadway show Beatlemania closed. They use one of the 'trons as a parts supply for the other one. (Owners of the Chain Tape Collective's CD 'Seventy-Five Seconds' have a photo of me playing the working one, replete with a bottle of Rolling Rock perched above the keyboard...) Actually, the state of disrepair that thing was in really did add to the weirdness of its sound in a very good way! > or, of course, you could just buy a sampler.... :-) Yeah, these days when I want a Mellotron sound, I use Soundfonts... > rick wakeman got a bloke called dave biro to help > him with a keyboard design that used NAB carts > instead of the mellotron's 3/8" tapes. This is an excerpt from an interview with Steve Howe in which he describes a practical joke he played on Wakeman and his Birotron: "It was a difficult album to make personality-wise. It was the album where we took Rick's Birotron and he went to the loo while he was doing some overdubs, and while he was in the loo we took out all his eight-track cassettes [from the Birotron] and we put mine in: quadraphonic Seals and Crofts and all these old eight track tapes. So he came back and he said, OK let's carry on; when he pressed the keys he went, what the hell is this? It was like, [sings] 'We may never pass this--We may never pass this--We may never pass this--'. If only he had laughed though, but he got quite cross!" Wakeman claims to have, out of frustration with the Birotron, taken every one of them that he owned out into a field, doused them with petrol and torched the lot. I'm not sure how many units escaped the bonfire, but I'd imagine that'd make 'em pretty rare! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 12:57:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TGtaK09745; Thu, 29 May 2003 12:55:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:55:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.a460cea.2c0784a6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:43:34 EDT Subject: Re: speaking of names... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c4.a460cea.2c0784a6_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c4.a460cea.2c0784a6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/03 8:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > So obviously some people out there have a > preference for Dead Loopers instead of Live Loopers im dyin out here!.....lol.....michael --part1_1c4.a460cea.2c0784a6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/28/0= 3 8:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


So obviously some people out th= ere have a
preference for Dead Loopers instead of Live Loopers


im dyin out here!.....lol.....michael --part1_1c4.a460cea.2c0784a6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 13:28:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4THRB715007; Thu, 29 May 2003 13:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:27:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c32607$288d95e0$7a64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305291039.h4TAdPg28152@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: reply to Kim Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:24:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim wrote: "Where did you get that from my posts? I think we have a great virtual community of musicians into looping here at LD. Those Loop Festival events are a great real world extension of that online community. I also had a lot of fun at them and felt a great sense of community there. Musicians gather, talk shop, put real faces on the email address, hear people play, etc. Great!" Sorry, Kim, I shouldn't have spoken for you in this regard. Ouch, that's the second time I've had to apologize to you this week. Apologies, again. ************************************************* I also hear your assertion that using LOOPING FESTIVALS is not effective in spreading the word outside of the looping community. In the case of my own home town, Santa Cruz, you are just blatantly incorrect. 1)I'm extremely well known here for my efforts to popularize live looping. I get stopped on a daily basis by members of my community, asking about how the Looping world is coming along. 2) Several live loopers have weekly gigs at restaurants or clubs that cater to general audiences. 3)The last time AmyX Neuburg was listed in the papers she was called "one of the best loopers" without any explanation of what the term meant. I literally jumped up and down when I read it because I realized that here, finally, we have become the norm. 4)The mayor of Santa Cruz declared January 25th, 2003 to be International Live Looping Day. 5)A 30 minute television show featuring live looping is circulating regularly on local cable access, to a potential viewership of over 100,000. 6)Live Loopers have spent a over 20 hours of live performance radio time in the past three years on local and area FM radio.............an unprecedented amount of live time in these days of Clear Channel domination. All of this has much to do with our efforts to promote LIVE LOOPING with festivals. We've had a whole article in the back page of Electronic Musician magazine about our community, prompted by Hans Lindauer's first LOOPSTOCK festival and there has been recent interest from several national and international magazines in our efforts. I can't talk about any of it specifically but rest assured, things are happening. Admittedly, none of this is earthshattering, nor are we on the cover of Rolling Stone or the screen of MTV, but it is a start. Give us a break, keemsabay! We only began this promotional strategy a little under three years ago. It takes time and a lot of hard work. I assure you , though, as someone who has been a successful promoter of music for over 25 years that I could not possibly have accomplished the modest accomplishments that I have made without 1) a hook (LIVE LOOPING FESTIVALS) and 2) a willing community of excited and talented loopers to help out (nothing would be possible without them). Journalists have been fascinated with what we are doing and we have gotten photographs published in newspapers and magazines much faster because I self conciously sold this angle. DJs have had the same response. They have told me that they are attracted to the fact that we are doing something new (the technology end) and something that involves community. None of this hard work may be satisfying you and I'll admit that the gains have been modest, but I don't think I could have booked a 2 1/2 month tour of Europe and the British Isles if I hadn't done all the work that I have done. I don't mean to make this post entirely narcissistic because the story I just wrote is largely about the Loopers who have been so gracious and accomodating and generous with their time. It is just the only story that I can use to combat your assertions that we are completely ineffective in getting the word out to the masses. I have a challenge for you: Instead of constantly nay-saying what we are attempting to accomplish by producing Live Looping Festivals, why don't you brainstorm and alternate strategy to push Live Looping to world of non loopers. We are trying hard to make a change; to make a difference; to make the world a safer place for Looping. Why fight our strategy when you could just as easily figure out a different way to augment us. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 14:35:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TIXwC25140; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:33:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030529183230.70696.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: reply to Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009a01c32607$288d95e0$7a64f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > I have a challenge for [Kim]: Instead of constantly > nay-saying what we are attempting to accomplish by >producing Live Looping Festivals, why don't you > brainstorm and alternate strategy to push Live > Looping to world of non loopers. The argumentum ad absurdum (or some might say sarcasm) in my 'let's vote' post yesterday probably obscured the point I was trying to make. Namely, it is very possible that: 1) Kim is correct. AND 2) So is Rick. It doesn't have to be an either/or thing. The way I see it, if one promoter books a looping musician for, say, a Jazz Festival, another promoter books that same musician for an art gallery opening without specifying the category, style and/or genre of the music in the promo, and Rick Walker books that same musician for a Looping Festival, that's good exposure. If Kim is correct in his assertion that the way an event is described will influence the demographics of the draw (and I believe he IS generally accurate in what he's said), then this musician will potentially be playing to three different audiences, i.e. to more people than he/she would be otherwise. That's a good thing, IMO. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 16:13:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TKCWT06479; Thu, 29 May 2003 16:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:12:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:11:18 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: speaking of names... In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20030528224606.00931260@pop.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <043401c3261e$7707a550$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe a good song title for an instrumental jazz/blues-blues/jazz guitar wanker song would be "looping the money shot" >Looping = multiple orgasms? ... and ... >but hell, if pornographic cinematographer's slang can enter onto >"American Idol" without so much as a second glance, any association is >possible i suppose: http://www.msnbc.com/news/743584.asp scroll down to >May 20, 2003 / 12:41 p.m. ET From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 16:15:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TK9c005995; Thu, 29 May 2003 16:09:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:09:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:08:08 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: speaking of names... In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030528172508.04c86e10@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <043301c3261e$05f088f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_BoMlC.A.QdB.tjm1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think it's been said here, and as usual i am too lazy to do a search, but "looping" is also a commonly used term in the film industry for rerecording dialog after the film is shot... > > A Looper is also a species of caterpillar/moth. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 17:16:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TLFdB15490; Thu, 29 May 2003 17:15:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:15:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: new EDP owner Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:15:09 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c32627$6bb43ca0$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <3ED55C02.4182C04E@erols.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When we do the 24hour loop-test before shipping, the EDPPs are stacked up 10 high, wrapped in bubblwrap with just the front and rear accessible. As yet, we've had no problem with overheating. Many years of hardware upgrades have reduced heat generation to an absolute minimum. I hope this eases your paranoia! Andy. -----Original Message----- From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] Sent: 29 May 2003 02:02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new EDP owner I just recieved my brandy new EDP +. Yee haw. Anyway, here is a completely paranoid question. I put the EDP in my rack directly underneath my Furman power conditioner, is this O.K.? Will there be any problem with heat from the power conditioner? Thanks in advance. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 19:29:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TNT4432250; Thu, 29 May 2003 19:29:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:29:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006601c32578$f1de8060$1564f93f@global> References: <200305282156.h4SLuNr09081@hemlock.violacea.com> <006601c32578$f1de8060$1564f93f@global> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 01:28:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Improvisation = fast Composition ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Jim Palmer wrote: >"...in college, in search of a definition of improvisation, >we came up with the term "spontaneous composition...." > > >The classical composer Arnold Schoenberg is credited as saying: > >"Compostion is just really slow Improvisation." > >when I'm teaching young students approaches to improvisation I turn it >around and >say: > >"Improvisation is just really fast Composition" nice, but IS it? Schoenberg certainly knows better than me, but sometimes things are just said because they sound nice... The Composer takes time to think and plan and correct and elaborate (mental). Improvisation is so massively faster that the player rather concentrates on what happens than on what he is going to do (intuition) so I would say its mainly done with different systems in the brain. the speed difference is rather a consequence of that. Probably there are terms in between, like improvisers that think quickly and composers that write their notes intuitively... but then again I could question what speed we are talking about: During an improvisation I can take my time to plan the end of it. During a composition I can put down a note quickly without thinking... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 19:56:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TNtAF02322; Thu, 29 May 2003 19:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:55:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:54:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200305291954.AA102301804@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: semantics X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can we make some sort of loopers-semantics or loop-music-theory list or something to take this discussion to? I really don't give a crap what other people call it. I just call it music. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 19:59:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TNwjp02789; Thu, 29 May 2003 19:58:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:58:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <200305291954.AA102301804@mail.unitcircle.com> Subject: Re: semantics Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:58:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2003 23:58:20.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E4C0E30:01C3263E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it's either that, or talk about gear. Or drugs... bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: semantics > can we make some sort of loopers-semantics or loop-music-theory list or something to take this discussion to? I really don't give a crap what other people call it. I just call it music. > > Kevin > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com > ------------------------------------------------------------- > New From Unit Circle: > Intonarumori - "Material" > http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ > > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 20:00:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TNxig04184; Thu, 29 May 2003 19:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:59:29 -0400 Subject: Tape echo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: jgwong To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jgwong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <95F5BBD0-9231-11D7-A8A3-0003939AFB5A@erols.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While back coating my Quantegy with Heinz Preiss's secret brew on my RE 201, 101 and my Berlin box. I ran out. Heinz is on vacation in Germany so he suggested several ideas. The one I ran with was to break open an 8 track . medium fidelity but it doesn't stick. and it cost a nickel. g wong Talento get in touch. HVK Studio is a discreet place where disabled kids and adults compose and learn tech skills. We accept donations of gear and small amounts of money to refurb and repair gear (only when needed) We don't do charity, we do parity. At the moment we need Jens,Kawai, Micro preset type units. We also give recording gear to other orgs. wongg@library.phila.gov From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 20:39:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4U0c5k08869; Thu, 29 May 2003 20:38:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:38:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200305282156.h4SLuNr09081@hemlock.violacea.com> <006601c32578$f1de8060$1564f93f@global> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:37:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Improvisation = fast Composition ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> >>"Improvisation is just really fast Composition" > >nice, but IS it? > >Schoenberg certainly knows better than me, but sometimes things are >just said because they sound nice... > >The Composer takes time to think and plan and correct and elaborate (mental). >Improvisation is so massively faster that the player rather >concentrates on what happens than on what he is going to do >(intuition) I am inclined to think that composition allows iterative editing, in a way that improv does not. For example one can change the beginning of a composition after hearing the ending, before any one else hears the beginning. I don't know if that's "better" or "worse", but it does seem, to me, like a difference between the practices. And, one of the reasons I like the whole looping/live sampling/live editing/spontaneous studio production world is that it precisely opens up some space in between. -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 21:07:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4U16Y013195; Thu, 29 May 2003 21:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:06:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Improvisation = fast Composition ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 05:37 PM, Alex Stahl wrote: > I am inclined to think that composition allows iterative editing, in a > way that improv does not. For example one can change the beginning of > a composition after hearing the ending, before any one else hears the > beginning. I don't know if that's "better" or "worse", but it does > seem, to me, like a difference between the practices. > This is, to me, one of the most interesting things about devices like the EDP. While they don't allow you to edit like you could if you were composing, the ability for multiple undos in an improvisational situation is a strange addition. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 04:21:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4U8GKr01328; Fri, 30 May 2003 04:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 04:16:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.200.93.145] X-Originating-Email: [andrew_art1@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: References: <043401c3261e$7707a550$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: speaking of names... Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:15:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2003 08:16:01.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4E602D0:01C32683] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where I grew up in Dublin someone who was a 'bit of a looper' was someone who wasn't quite right in the head. Interchangeable with 'looper' was the word 'beamer', as in 'he's a bit of a bleedin' beamer that lad'. ( None of them though as good as the country phrase 'There's a bit of a want in him' ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Palmer To: Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: RE: speaking of names... > maybe a good song title for an instrumental jazz/blues-blues/jazz > guitar wanker song would be "looping the money shot" > > >Looping = multiple orgasms? > ... > > and > > ... > >but hell, if pornographic cinematographer's slang can enter onto > >"American Idol" without so much as a second glance, any association is > >possible i suppose: http://www.msnbc.com/news/743584.asp scroll down to > >May 20, 2003 / 12:41 p.m. ET > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 05:19:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4U9Iju07028; Fri, 30 May 2003 05:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 05:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530020903.02b65ee0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 02:19:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030527193852.04bcc008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <511CjD.A.krB.-Gy1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:41 AM 5/29/2003, Geoff Smith wrote: > >> So I set you the challenge name 5-10 prominent Live-Looping pieces > that you > >> feel cannot be characterised together. And I will respond. > > Chet Atkins - "Jam Man" (Grammy winning tune) > > DJ Radar - "Antimatter" (one turntable and a looper, djradar.com) > > Andre LaFosse - "Continuous Mix #2" (nu-skool andre) > > David Torn - "Busy Cutting Crap" from Splattercell:::Oah > > Howie Day - live set at www.kcrw.org > > Andre LaFosse - "Disruption Theory" from album of same name (old-skool > andre) > > Terry Riley - Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band > > > >Okay give me a while, and I will respond, but for now I need a break! I am >just finishing my third year. >I have a composition portfolio to do that's recording an album and writing >the material, documentation to do, and a four performances to help with play >in, a festival to tech for, a partner to spend more time with whose sick of >me doing written work. And a pile of stuff to sort out thats been waiting >for me to finish my paper. Oh no ya don't! You issued the challenge, Geoff! You jumped up and down about it a few times because it took me day to answer. Don't be pulling all these excuses now! I spent a bunch of my time poking around the music collection to get a good list together for your homework assignment, now you sink some of your time into analyzing these tracks for us. You're in music school, right? Surely your professors have you analyzing pieces of music every day. Your analytical tools are sharper than the rest of us, so surely you are up to the job. Let's hear it! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 06:48:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UAkA215009; Fri, 30 May 2003 06:46:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 06:46:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:50:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530020903.02b65ee0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to do this but i do not have chet aktins "jam man" yet... I will need to listen to Howie Days set again and probably copy it onto a minidisc etc. These things are gonna take time. so just as it took u a while to get the list together from your own collection, it will take me a while longer to get this together. The reason I can't answer straight away is I have the madest week of rehearsals and event organising, so i don't have time to drive to the nearest record store which is an hour away. I will do it though. but it will have to be in a week. I will not back out of this, but this is not a 5minute task. G on 30/5/03 10:19 am, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > At 03:41 AM 5/29/2003, Geoff Smith wrote: >>>> So I set you the challenge name 5-10 prominent Live-Looping pieces >> that you >>>> feel cannot be characterised together. And I will respond. >>> Chet Atkins - "Jam Man" (Grammy winning tune) >>> DJ Radar - "Antimatter" (one turntable and a looper, djradar.com) >>> Andre LaFosse - "Continuous Mix #2" (nu-skool andre) >>> David Torn - "Busy Cutting Crap" from Splattercell:::Oah >>> Howie Day - live set at www.kcrw.org >>> Andre LaFosse - "Disruption Theory" from album of same name (old-skool >> andre) >>> Terry Riley - Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band >>> >> >> Okay give me a while, and I will respond, but for now I need a break! I am >> just finishing my third year. >> I have a composition portfolio to do that's recording an album and writing >> the material, documentation to do, and a four performances to help with play >> in, a festival to tech for, a partner to spend more time with whose sick of >> me doing written work. And a pile of stuff to sort out thats been waiting >> for me to finish my paper. > > Oh no ya don't! You issued the challenge, Geoff! You jumped up and down > about it a few times because it took me day to answer. Don't be pulling all > these excuses now! I spent a bunch of my time poking around the music > collection to get a good list together for your homework assignment, now > you sink some of your time into analyzing these tracks for us. You're in > music school, right? Surely your professors have you analyzing pieces of > music every day. Your analytical tools are sharper than the rest of us, so > surely you are up to the job. Let's hear it! > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 11:10:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UFA9E12057; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:10:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:10:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Improvisation = fast Composition ? From: Jeffrey Lomas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <200305282156.h4SLuNr09081@hemlock.violacea.com> <006601c32578$f1de8060$1564f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-11) Date: 30 May 2003 11:39:24 -0400 Message-Id: <1054309165.28895.55.camel@bilbo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am in agreement with Matthias on this one. To say that improvisation is fast composition is an oversimplification of the term composition. It would be similar to say that speaking is really fast writing, which is not the case at all. Writers in the act of their craft, whether in intuitive or cognitive moments, take much more of an ontological approach. If they compose a segment that works within the greater aesthetic, they keep it. If not, they drop it. Improv is much like speaking in that once the statement is made it is out there. You can try to correct or elaborate upon the statement; but, regardless, the statement has been made and cannot be withdrawn. I hope everyone has a great weekend. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 12:09:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UG7EX20074; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:06:54 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Improvisation = fast Composition ? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04e201c326c5$7d559780$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... > Probably there are terms in between, like improvisers that think > quickly and composers that write their notes intuitively... ... mozart used to write two parts at the same time. he wrote quite automatically and despite his short life was the most prolific composer (though he did write a lot of fluff) he was also an agile improviser. like bach, he could improvise 4 part fugues. i can't imagine doing that. they are pretty difficult to compose on paper. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 12:10:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UG7PI20111; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:07:03 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Improvisation = fast Composition ? In-reply-to: <1054309165.28895.55.camel@bilbo> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04e301c326c5$832308f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... > Writers in the act of their craft, whether in intuitive or > cognitive moments, take much more of an ontological approach. > If they compose a segment that works within the greater > aesthetic, they keep it. If not, they drop it. > ... but if you are writing a comedy sketch or improvising one, you are engaging very similar faculties. in one case you have more time and the use of paper memory. looping devices allow for some editing during improv. so i guess they can take the place of paper memory? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 12:17:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UGGVU21311; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:16:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:16:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:15:29 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: semantics In-reply-to: <200305291954.AA102301804@mail.unitcircle.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04e401c326c6$b07e8e90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how about a separate loopers-bitching list? i don't care to hear any of that. lol. it's the philosophical discussions that i am most interested in. even if they only mark the space between the all-important gear talk. and, of course, the delete key is just up and to the right... > > can we make some sort of loopers-semantics or > loop-music-theory list or something to take this discussion > to? I really don't give a crap what other people call it. I > just call it music. > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 12:47:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UGl4K24571; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:47:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:47:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030530164607.40471.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530020903.02b65ee0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 03:41 AM 5/29/2003, Geoff Smith wrote: > > >> So I set you the challenge name 5-10 prominent > Live-Looping pieces > > that you > > >> feel cannot be characterised together. And I > will respond. > > > Chet Atkins - "Jam Man" (Grammy winning tune) > > > DJ Radar - "Antimatter" (one turntable and a > looper, djradar.com) > > > Andre LaFosse - "Continuous Mix #2" (nu-skool > andre) > > > David Torn - "Busy Cutting Crap" from > Splattercell:::Oah > > > Howie Day - live set at www.kcrw.org > > > Andre LaFosse - "Disruption Theory" from album > of same name (old-skool > > andre) > > > Terry Riley - Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band > > > > > > >Okay give me a while, and I will respond, but for > now I need a break! I am Why is a response even necessary - Kim answered your question. He could have also added: Robert Fripp (duh) Nels Cline (very short loops with memory man) Lamb Chop (the guitarist loops with a DL4 I believe and lets it play backwards) Adrian Belew (looped some pieces on one of his acoustic tours a few years back) All different sounding guys - But really I must give out a really super big YAWN -- this thread is getting boring and I am wondering, has anybody looped anything this week? :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 12:48:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UGkwx24569; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:46:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:46:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030530164601.40443.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530020903.02b65ee0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 03:41 AM 5/29/2003, Geoff Smith wrote: > > >> So I set you the challenge name 5-10 prominent > Live-Looping pieces > > that you > > >> feel cannot be characterised together. And I > will respond. > > > Chet Atkins - "Jam Man" (Grammy winning tune) > > > DJ Radar - "Antimatter" (one turntable and a > looper, djradar.com) > > > Andre LaFosse - "Continuous Mix #2" (nu-skool > andre) > > > David Torn - "Busy Cutting Crap" from > Splattercell:::Oah > > > Howie Day - live set at www.kcrw.org > > > Andre LaFosse - "Disruption Theory" from album > of same name (old-skool > > andre) > > > Terry Riley - Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band > > > > > > >Okay give me a while, and I will respond, but for > now I need a break! I am Why is a response even necessary - Kim answered your question. He could have also added: Robert Fripp (duh) Nels Cline (very short loops with memory man) Lamb Chop (the guitarist loops with a DL4 I believe and lets it play backwards) Adrian Belew (looped some pieces on one of his acoustic tours a few years back) All different sounding guys - But really I must give out a really super big YAWN -- this thread is getting boring and I am wondering, has anybody looped anything this week? :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 12:48:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UGkft24539; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:45:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Improvisation = fast Composition ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <04e201c326c5$7d559780$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <0DAB602A-92BE-11D7-977F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 06:06 pm, Jim Palmer wrote: > like bach, he could improvise 4 part fugues. > i can't imagine doing that. they are pretty difficult to compose on > paper. Its very easy with multi-tap delays... I've been having great fun doing this over the past few weeks. It took a lot of trial and error (finding the best delay slots), and during practicing, I managed to discover quite a few rhythm and harmony techniques that aided this illusion. I have not had so much fun for years! :) I'll try and get some mp3's online over the next few weeks. I'm in the school of thought that composition is a slower form of improvisation for *some* composers, and that there are so many techniques and avenues for composition (as there are with looping), that not all composers can be gerenalised with the same philosophy. Certainly the approach that I have used to create symphonic compositions in the past has been very much like the approach I give to live looping today. Working on segments, looping them... moving on to the next segment. However, I know other composers who work at their manuscripts in a completely different way. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 12:49:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UGn4k25189; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:49:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:49:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030530164755.82231.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:47:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Sorry about Multi Posts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030530164607.40471.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about the multiple posts -- my yahoo mail freaked out. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 12:56:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UGsLO26009; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:54:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:54:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:53:13 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Boomerang borrower From: Stuart Wyatt To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <34045E10-92BF-11D7-977F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy has just lent me his Boomerang for a couple of weeks, and might actually part with it in exchange for equipment :) I've been really impressed during my first tryout... It is again a looper that works in a way different to what I have tried so far (more simpler and more rapid to change loops than the DL4). I am really getting into the way of thinking that the simpler the equipment, the greater the freedom of musical expression you are allowed. Its my personal philosophy which works for me, and I'm not trying to say that it is the same for everyone. I spent the entire last year trying to expand my project with Live and the Repeater and had nothing but stress.... My equipment gave me a very digital interface for an analogue style of looping - it just did not work. Over the past few weeks, my current setup has evolved into one DL4, two Echo Pro's and now the Boomerang (as well as a loaned filter factory and my filter pro)... It allows for so much flexibility and control over the loops - certainly much more than what was allowed with the Repeater combined with my playing style. I imagine that I am going to be going in this direction in the future - multiple simple loopers - synced via the feet. A digital version of multiple tape echo units with the same control.... :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 13:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UH7mD28778; Fri, 30 May 2003 13:07:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:07:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:07:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Improvisation = fast Composition ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <04e301c326c5$832308f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <31D5F368-92C1-11D7-8C3E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <6eRoG.A.SBH.X_41-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 09:07 AM, Jim Palmer wrote: > > looping devices allow for some editing during improv. > so i guess they can take the place of paper memory? Right! I tried to talk about this last time we had a thread, and a bunch of people got irate when I suggested that what we call "Looping" has advanced in many ways beyond the word's initial meaning and maybe the term has outgrown its use. I shit in half the time now, as I was torn a new asshole. To use a looper is to use external memory, no matter how you slice it. Like all machines Loopers extend our capabilities. When you have a tape loop, you have a pretty simple affair. Out more or less equals what you put in, plus time. However, the EDP (especially) has become so much more. It an behave like a tape loop, but in the hands of some people it becomes more akin to live audio editing. When I first saw a real DJ play up close (DJ Spooky), the first thing that came to my mind was how similar what we were doing really was. The only difference was that his raw material was vinyl and mine was the output of my instrument. What I'd really love is for someone to manufacture a device like the Pioneer CDJ-1000 that would let you use live input instead of a CD as the audio source. Seems totally possible, no? The CDJ-1000 takes data from an optical drive and puts it in a RAM buffer. Why not fill that ram buffer from the output of an A/D converter? Anyway, it doesn't exist...yet. I can kind of get similar stuff from my KAOSS pad and AirFX, but it's not quite the same. So... where does it go from looping to live audio production? In my brain, I see what most of us doing as live audio production that happens to use loopers. Similar in a way that we can say heavy metal is a type of music that happens to mostly use guitars and drums. Does all music that uses guitar and drums equal heavy metal? Of course not. That's why I disagree with the people who feel that "looping" (or whatever term floats your boat) is a genera of music. To me it's like saying people who use Digital Performer play a genera of music. Silly. Having said all this, I'm fine with calling what I (and we) do as "looping." Why? Because, in marketing terms, it's got a lot of good qualities. Short, fun to say, looks good in a logo. Has some popular definition that suggests repetition. Also, if I say I do, "Live audio production" that sounds DRY as hell. When I get an odd look after having said, "Looping" I usually follow it up with, "...it's kind of like what a DJ does with vinyl records, except the music doesn't come from vinyl, I'm playing it live." This seems to satisfy most people, even though it's not a great explanation. Vinyl is a type of machine memory, and so is the Smartmedia card in my Repeater. Good enough for me. Most people at this point are somewhat familiar with the term DJ, so even though I'm not really a DJ, it's a good term to latch on to. Where I go from there is up to me. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 13:49:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UHmN100312; Fri, 30 May 2003 13:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 19:47:53 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Boomerang memory upgrade From: Stuart Wyatt To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I've tried searching the archives, but could only find references to the memory upgrade as opposed to the equipment needed. Just a quick question - what memory chips does the Boomerang use? Are they the sort that I could pick up very cheaply from computer brokers/junkyards? Cheers, - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 14:00:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UHxmZ02645; Fri, 30 May 2003 13:59:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:59:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c326d4$fa197340$0201a8c0@latitudecpxh> From: "Jimmy George Band" To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang memory upgrade Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:57:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com probably not stu but check with mike nelson the maker to be sure, he charges 75 for the upgrade chip. btw its a must have for rang users. http://www.boomerangmusic.com Boomerang Musical Products P.O. Box 541595 . Dallas, Texas . 75354-1595 (800) 530-4699 . Outside of USA (817) 251-8737 . Fax (817) 251-8509 If you have questions or comments, please email us at: mnelson@boomerangmusic.com good luck, let me know if you can get the chip cheaper. thanks, jg http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Wyatt To: Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:47 AM Subject: Boomerang memory upgrade > Hi all, > > I've tried searching the archives, but could only find references to > the memory upgrade as opposed to the equipment needed. Just a quick > question - what memory chips does the Boomerang use? Are they the sort > that I could pick up very cheaply from computer brokers/junkyards? > > Cheers, > > - Stu > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 14:09:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UI6YY03362; Fri, 30 May 2003 14:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 19:10:20 +0100 Subject: Quick EDP SYNC question. From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <34045E10-92BF-11D7-977F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Can anyone tell me what i have to do, to do the following. I have 2EDPs and an Akai MPC2000 the MPC provides the sync to both units (one is loopIV one is LoopIII) I wish to have both units synced to the mpc and for them to remain perfectly in sync forever, I wish for the multiply function to only multiply perfect whole multiplies (if u see what I am saying) and the next loop function is for using the loop-copy. I want to use all the creative functions that don't alter the loop length. I also want to be able to stop the MPC and restart everything in sync again. Getting the EDPs to sync to the MPC is easy but getting them to stay in sync is hard. I want a full proof system where the loops will always be in sync but the insert replace and overdub functions remain unquantised i.e. totally free. However functions like reverse and half/speed and multiply must be locked to the loop to not change the sync. I am also having problems with stopping the MPC and restarting the EDPs in sync. If anyone knows the easy solution to this please let me know as it will save me a lot of wasted time. Thankyou geoff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 14:15:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UI8ee03596; Fri, 30 May 2003 14:08:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:08:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 19:12:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper From: Geoff Smith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030530164601.40443.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I completely understand, these things are better down down the pub! I will keep this between me and Kim now. geoff on 30/5/03 5:46 pm, Squid Loop at tentacle_joe@yahoo.com wrote: > > --- Kim Flint wrote: >> At 03:41 AM 5/29/2003, Geoff Smith wrote: >>>>> So I set you the challenge name 5-10 prominent >> Live-Looping pieces >>> that you >>>>> feel cannot be characterised together. And I >> will respond. >>>> Chet Atkins - "Jam Man" (Grammy winning tune) >>>> DJ Radar - "Antimatter" (one turntable and a >> looper, djradar.com) >>>> Andre LaFosse - "Continuous Mix #2" (nu-skool >> andre) >>>> David Torn - "Busy Cutting Crap" from >> Splattercell:::Oah >>>> Howie Day - live set at www.kcrw.org >>>> Andre LaFosse - "Disruption Theory" from album >> of same name (old-skool >>> andre) >>>> Terry Riley - Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band >>>> >>> >>> Okay give me a while, and I will respond, but for >> now I need a break! I am > > Why is a response even necessary - Kim answered your > question. > > He could have also added: > > Robert Fripp (duh) > Nels Cline (very short loops with memory man) > Lamb Chop (the guitarist loops with a DL4 I believe > and lets it play backwards) > Adrian Belew (looped some pieces on one of his > acoustic tours a few years back) > > All different sounding guys - > > But really I must give out a really super big YAWN -- > this thread is getting boring and I am wondering, has > anybody looped anything this week? :) > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 14:37:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UIYCU06509; Fri, 30 May 2003 14:34:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:34:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c326d9$d0a8fbc0$e062f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305280230.h4S2UfI21990@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: RE: Cooperation..........a beautiful looping CD Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:32:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The last week has been a quite sad and difficult one for me but one of the silver linings to this time has been the fact that I've had a really beautiful CD that was sent to me a while back in my car CD player. It is a collaboration between Texan looper, JAMES SIDLO (he of the really great avante/electronica/band Honey Barbara) and British looper, DAVID COOPER ORTON called RE: Cooperation. I have had it in constant rotation in my car stereo and it's serene, intelligent beauty has really helped me to reflect and grieve my mom's passing. I don't even want to describe it because words would just not do it justice but take my word for it.........this one's a keeper. I just looked it up and it is available here: http://www.unclebuzz.com/ Support these fine artists and go buy it, today. It is, in my estimation, one of the best looping CDs out there in any genre, style, movement or anomoly yours, Rick Walker ps Now, I'm on to listening to the latest cool CDs that Peter Koniuoto has sent me. I'm not sure if this is commercially available or not, but it should be (nudge, nudge, Peter). Pester him, gang. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 14:41:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UIdfa07082; Fri, 30 May 2003 14:39:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:39:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c1.a54553d.2c08ff62@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:39:30 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang borrower To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c1.a54553d.2c08ff62_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c1.a54553d.2c08ff62_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/30/03 12:54:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, loopersdelight@solostring.com writes: > Andy has just lent me his Boomerang stuart.....is this the RANG + with the upgrade.....i think you will really grow to like this looper.....i have had mine for a long time and am still amazed at what it can do for so SIMPLE a machine.....any rang questions please feel free to ask.....enjoy.....michael --part1_1c1.a54553d.2c08ff62_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/30/0= 3 12:54:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, loopersdelight@solostring.com writes:

Andy has just lent me his Boome= rang


stuart.....is this the RANG + with the upgrade.....i think you will really g= row to like this looper.....i have had mine for a long time and am still ama= zed at what it can do for so SIMPLE a machine.....any rang questions please=20= feel free to ask.....enjoy.....michael --part1_1c1.a54553d.2c08ff62_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 14:43:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UIewd07178; Fri, 30 May 2003 14:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:40:55 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Dig if u will my research paper In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04f701c326db$01ee3eb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please don't. i want to hear how you relate all those pieces. i'm sure i'm not alone in that... > > I completely understand, these things are better down down > the pub! I will keep this between me and Kim now. geoff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 14:57:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UItH508730; Fri, 30 May 2003 14:55:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:55:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: Cooperation..........a beautiful looping CD In-Reply-To: <005701c326d9$d0a8fbc0$e062f93f@global> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 30 May 2003, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > The last week has been a quite sad and difficult one for me > but one of the silver linings to this time has been the fact that > I've had a really beautiful CD that was sent to me a while back in > my car CD player. > > It is a collaboration between Texan looper, JAMES SIDLO (he of the really > great avante/electronica/band Honey Barbara) and British looper, DAVID > COOPER > ORTON called RE: Cooperation. I have a copy as well, and have meant to attempt writing a review of it, and all I'll say now is I found it very good, and I wanted to second Rick's endorsement of RE: Cooperation as worthwhile. As Rick said, go find it at http://www.unclebuzz.com/ . best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > I have had it in constant rotation in my car stereo and it's serene, > intelligent > beauty has really helped me to reflect and grieve my mom's passing. > > I don't even want to describe it because words would just not do it justice > but > take my word for it.........this one's a keeper. > > I just looked it up and it is available here: > http://www.unclebuzz.com/ > > Support these fine artists and > go buy it, today. It is, in my estimation, one of the best looping CDs out > there > in any genre, style, movement or anomoly > > yours, Rick Walker > > ps Now, I'm on to listening to the latest cool CDs that Peter Koniuoto has > sent me. > I'm not sure if this is commercially available or not, but it should be > (nudge, nudge, Peter). Pester him, gang. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 15:24:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UJLPo13001; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:21:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530112632.0415a8a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:23:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Quick EDP SYNC question. In-Reply-To: References: <34045E10-92BF-11D7-977F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:10 AM 5/30/2003, Geoff Smith wrote: >Can anyone tell me what i have to do, to do the following. >I have 2EDPs and an Akai MPC2000 >the MPC provides the sync to both units (one is loopIV one is LoopIII) It would be a little better if they were both LoopIV, but for now if you have them chained in series on the midi line put the LoopIII unit after the LoopIV unit. That way you can connect the second unit to the MIDI out connector of the LoopIV unit and use the MIDIpipe feature of LoopIV. MIDIpipe intelligently routes midi clocks and other commands through so you can get much more flexibility in how you can control it than when using a MIDI thru connection. you didn't say, are trying to use these as a stereo pair? I'm going to assume you are not. that would also likely be a problem with them being different software versions. >I wish to have both units synced to the mpc and for them to remain perfectly >in sync forever, I wish for the multiply function to only multiply perfect >whole multiplies (if u see what I am saying) that is how multiply normally works, so that is fine. It always rounds off to a cycle unless you specifically command it to do otherwise. Oftentimes when using sync people also want things quantized, such that commands start on the next downbeat. So you probably want the Quantize parameter set to cycle. In LoopIV you have other options for quantize (loop and 8th), but LoopIII only has cycle so you might as well have them both the same. This way, when you press multiply it will wait until the next cycle point before it starts and things will stay metrically aligned with your sequencer. >and the next loop function is >for using the loop-copy. You probably want the SwitchQuant parameter set to Cycle also. This way you will always switch to another loop at the next cycle point, so things stay in rhythm with the sequencer. This also gives you more options for copy. The easy way to do copies is to set the LoopCopy parameter to "sound". then it always copies the current loop when you switch to a reset loop. When SwitchQuant is on you have more flexibility. During the quantizing period while it is waiting to switch loops you can command it to do something when it gets to the new loop. Pressing Multiply during this time does a sound copy, Insert does time copy, Record will start it recording in the new loop, NextLoop lets you select which loop you are going to, etc. >I want to use all the creative functions that don't >alter the loop length. >I also want to be able to stop the MPC and restart everything in sync again. For that, LoopIII is going to cause you problems. LoopIV has the ReAlign function to do exactly this. >Getting the EDPs to sync to the MPC is easy but getting them to stay in sync >is hard. do you mean it drifted or you executed functions that knocked it out of sync? Using quantize is usually the best way to work with sync to avoid getting things knocked out of alignment so try that. In LoopIV you can freely dealign loops from the sync source, and then put them back again with ReAlign. But you can't do that with the LoopIII unit. >I want a full proof system where the loops will always be in sync >but the insert replace and overdub functions remain unquantised i.e. totally >free. >However functions like reverse and half/speed and multiply must be locked to >the loop to not change the sync. that means quantize on. Overdub does not quantize, so that works fine for you. Replace however, does quantize. If you want unquantized replaces, you would need to turn quantize off first. Replace also quantizes a little differently in LoopIV than in LoopIII, with LoopIV being a bit smarter and more intuitive in how it works. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 15:24:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UJMxE13195; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:22:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:22:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:22:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3ED64B6700000CA1@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Any DK10 owners out there? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4UJMxB13168 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Percussive loopers, I am wrapping up the first phase of creating a Windows hosted editor for the KAT (aka AlternateMode) DK10. I have a version done that opens/saves/edits sysex dumps from the DK10. Capturing and sending the dumps is currently done via an external application, such as MidiOx, but I am implementing internal MIDI support in the next week or so. If anyone has a DK10 and would like to try it out, and give me feedback, please do. It can currently be found at: www.musetrap.com/dk10editor, and I will keep that location updated with the latest revs... On a recent visit to the alternatemode website I realized that I do not have the latest firmware (which is 1.8, while I think I have 1.4), and the newer versions seems to have a few more features, and probably more data in the patch dump. I'm in contact with alternatemode about this, and hopefully will have all the info I need to support the other firmware versions soon (although my initial work has been done via reverse engineering the patch dump)... I also own a drumKAT EZ, which I am going to develop an editor for, but alternatemode has managed to loose all of the pertinent tech info on this discontinued device, and so I have a long trek ahead of me in decoding the patch dump... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 15:33:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UJVPA14437; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:31:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019601c32714$1afb4590$cfa44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Quick EDP SYNC question. Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 02:29:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my only experience (so far) with syncing has been the following: jomox xbase 09 synced to edp #3 via midi while edp #3 is synced to edps #1 and #2 via beatsync. 1 and 2 are synced via midi and brothersync. so effectively, 1 and 2 operate as one unit, which controls the tempo of the third, which controls the tempo of the drum machine. my advice: midi out of the mpc into the master edp. master edp out (midi and brother) to the slave edp. if that doesn't work, i'd try every permutation of said scenario. eventually, everything will work in tandem and it will be a glorious thing. as far as starting and stopping, i think that would just be a matter (and a very particular matter) of reading and really understanding the mpc's midi and clock functions. hope this helps. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 15:41:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UJc2n15219; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:38:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:38:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.9c967dc.2c090d0d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:37:49 EDT Subject: Re: Improvisation = fast Composition ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Its very easy with multi-tap delays.. Bach's fugues would have followed all the rules of counterpoint, (no parallel fifths that sort of thing). ..and then conformed to the structural rules of a fugue. not so easy the multitap delay thing is a "canon" (have you tried shifting a couple of the taps down an octave?, bet that would sound great with the fiddle) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 15:42:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UJfE215647; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:41:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:41:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:41:04 +0200 Subject: Re: Boomerang borrower Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1c1.a54553d.2c08ff62@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 08:39 pm, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > stuart.....is this the RANG + with the upgrade.....i think you will > really grow to like this looper.....i have had mine for a long time > and am still amazed at what it can do for so SIMPLE a machine.....any > rang questions please feel free to ask.....enjoy.....michael Its the normal Rang, and probably quite an early model (serial 1000 and something)... I've read about the upgrade too, and it looks very interesting - two independent loops and latching overdub... If I do end up owning this Boomerang, then I'll definitely max it out with RAM and the upgrade (if possible). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 16:12:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UKApv19837; Fri, 30 May 2003 16:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:10:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:08:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Improvisation = fast Composition ? In-Reply-To: <0DAB602A-92BE-11D7-977F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <04e201c326c5$7d559780$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2003 20:10:49.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[901EE2F0:01C326E7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, >I'm in the school of thought that composition is a slower form of >improvisation for *some* composers, and that there are so many >techniques and avenues for composition (as there are with looping), >that not all composers can be gerenalised with the same philosophy. >Certainly the approach that I have used to create symphonic >compositions in the past has been very much like the approach I give to >live looping today. Working on segments, looping them... moving on to >the next segment. > >However, I know other composers who work at their manuscripts in a >completely different way. I'm aware that, whilst I don't define my improvisation as "composition", I do see it as a potentially useful tool in the process of writing. Improvisation does often influence and provide the raw material for my compositions. I try to (as often as I can get it together) record my improvisations - both in my own practice time and when playing/jamming with other musicians - what I come out with is spontaneous and relatively unpolished, it does though speed up my process of composition when I return to the recordings. Improvisation either alone or with others, can generate such a wealth of raw material (that I often can't believe I have in me) that can be honed down, edited or discarded. My understanding of music theory is patchy and I don't 'write' music, I use improvisation and jamming to generate ideas, test them out and develop them - then memorise what I come out with. I've found that looping can make doing this alone a far less solitary process that enables widere expression musically that I'd be unlikely to give voice to by merely playing a single part at a time. Writers sometimes use a similar technique of kind of free association writing, where you write whatever's in your head for (say) 30 minutes. Then, when you've done, you've either got some usable ideas or you've at least got yourself writing, either way, its useful + there's the bonus of finding out a little of what's lurking in your unconscious! Also thinking now about some of the boundaries and blurrings between creative jamming and improvisation... Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 16:44:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UKesh23616; Fri, 30 May 2003 16:40:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:40:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:40:45 +0200 Subject: Re: Improvisation = fast Composition ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1e8.9c967dc.2c090d0d@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 09:37 pm, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > the multitap delay thing is a "canon" Whoops. My bad. I've forgotten so much about musical theory. What I am doing is very much in the 'round' style - but I am shifting within the delayed loop (Its a stereo ping-pong delay with one bar delay on one side and 6 beats on the other... I think)... its really opened up a way of thinking for me. > > (have you tried shifting a couple of the taps down an octave?, > bet that would sound great with the fiddle) I have a six and a 7 string violin (more than cello viola and violin combined) - so I can naturally get those octaves. But what I have been doing is cutting in the filter to kick in a subbass beat... :) I think my head is exploding.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 17:02:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UKxId26839; Fri, 30 May 2003 16:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:59:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c326ef$bc7c2e40$8e91be3f@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: Subject: Scratch Looper Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:09:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C326C5.D25E15E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C326C5.D25E15E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable /What I'd really love is for someone to=20 /manufacture a device like the Pioneer CDJ-1000 that would let you use=20 /live input instead of a CD as the audio source. Seems totally=20 /possible, no? The CDJ-1000 takes data from an optical drive and puts=20 /it in a RAM buffer. Why not fill that ram buffer from the output of an = /A/D converter? Anyway, it doesn't exist...yet. =20 With Ms. Pinky's Maxi-Patch and Max/MSP/Jitter, you can use a turntable = to scratch anything. Read about Ms. Pinky. Download Ms. Pinky.=20 Careful what you ask for ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C326C5.D25E15E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
/What I'd really love is for someone to
/manufacture a device = like the=20 Pioneer CDJ-1000 that would let you use
/live input instead of a CD = as the=20 audio source.  Seems totally
/possible, no?  The CDJ-1000 = takes=20 data from an optical drive and puts
/it in a RAM buffer.  Why = not fill=20 that ram buffer from the output of an
/A/D converter?  Anyway, = it=20 doesn't exist...yet. 
 
With Ms. Pinky's=20 Maxi-Patch and=20 Max/MSP/Jitter, you can use a turntable to scratch anything. Read about Ms. = Pinky.=20 Download = Ms.=20 Pinky.
 
Careful what you ask = for
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C326C5.D25E15E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 17:50:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ULkq232401; Fri, 30 May 2003 17:46:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:46:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:46:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Scratch Looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002201c326ef$bc7c2e40$8e91be3f@hppav> Message-Id: <3562BB02-92E8-11D7-8C3E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4ULkpB32380 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This isn't it. What I'm talking about is something that's scratching from a live buffer. This seems like it will do it to a file on your hard drive. For the money they're asking for the software, plus getting a turntable, I'd be better off with the CDJ-1000. Also, I'm pretty sure there's some sort of DSP or modeling involved with what the CDJ-1000 does to get it to sound realistic at low speeds, as opposed to just a jog shuttle device. If you haven't played with one, I recommend doing it. It's so very cool. Mark On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 02:09 PM, Rick Williamson wrote: > /What I'd really love is for someone to > /manufacture a device like the Pioneer CDJ-1000 that would let you use > /live input instead of a CD as the audio source.  Seems totally > /possible, no?  The CDJ-1000 takes data from an optical drive and puts > /it in a RAM buffer.  Why not fill that ram buffer from the output of > an > /A/D converter?  Anyway, it doesn't exist...yet.  >   > With Ms. Pinky's Maxi-Patch and Max/MSP/Jitter, you can use a > turntable to scratch anything. Read about Ms. Pinky. Download Ms. > Pinky. >   > Careful what you ask for From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 17:59:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ULutn01534; Fri, 30 May 2003 17:56:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:56:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:56:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Boomerang borrower Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <34045E10-92BF-11D7-977F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: <9D194DA8-92E9-11D7-8C3E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 09:53 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I am really getting into the way of thinking that the simpler the > equipment, the greater the freedom of musical expression you are > allowed. Its my personal philosophy which works for me, and I'm not > trying to say that it is the same for everyone. I spent the entire > last year trying to expand my project with Live and the Repeater and > had nothing but stress.... My equipment gave me a very digital > interface for an analogue style of looping - it just did not work. I feel almost exactly the same... except I've basically started using the Repeater in the same way that one might use a Boomerang, or other simpler Looper. I've even abandoned using the effects loop of the Repeater in favor of just putting effects post Repeater while they both sit in the effects loop of my mixer. I've got an FCB1010 setup to let me select tracks 1&2 or 3&4 and step loops up or down by increments. Both pedals control the volumes of the stereo pairs. I'd say that 80% of the time that's all the control I need. Every once and a while I fool with the speed or pitch. One of the things I felt about the EDP was that it was TOO much. (though nicely scalable) I don't think I'd ever use it the way Andre does. I try not to focus on the looper too much. I loved the transparency of the JamMan. So simple to use. What I really wanted... and still want, is basically a stereo JamMan with higher quality audio and no annoying click. So far, the closest thing that fits the bill in a price range that makes sense to me is the Repeater. To each his own looper, I guess. Hopefully this weekend will be slow enough so that I can spend some time with the PSP42 and see what software looping is like. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 19:39:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UNaqa16191; Fri, 30 May 2003 19:36:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 19:36:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c32703$be0fd680$e2f15cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #323 for May 29, 2003 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 19:32:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C326E2.29E5DB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C326E2.29E5DB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #323 May 29, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the Sombient Drone = Series, a trilogy of releases that codified the definition of dark ambient. The = Featured CD at Midnight was "Immersion," disk three of "Swarm of Drones," the = third release of the Drone Series on the Sombient label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Oxygene" by Jean Michel Jarre on the = Disques Motors label. I also played the music of one of the artists who will be performing at = the Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June = 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. Sombient Drone Series - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#may Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Jean Michel Jarre Oxygene Part IV Oxygene (Disques = Motors) Jean Michel Jarre Oxygene Part V Oxygene (Disques = Motors) Jean Michel Jarre Oxygene Part VI Oxygene (Disques = Motors) Amongst Myselves Morning of the Earth Sacred Black (RMC = Records) The Tenth Planet Slipping Slowly Music from the Stars = (none) Erez Yaary Journey Through Time Nibiru (none) Andreas Akwara Solar Eclipse Part V Solar Eclipse (AA = Music) VA [Maryanne Amacher] KARYON Sound Chamber ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) 12:00 am VA [David Kwan] +/-1V ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) VA [Elliot Sharp] Klystron ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) VA [ISO Orchestra] Idle Sunder ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) VA [Antimatter] Flyback Transformer ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) VA [Gregory Lenczycki] Temporal Filter ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) Coefficient VA [Mortal Engines] Passage IV ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) VA [Robert Rich] Ephemera ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) VA [Jeff Greinke] Out From Under ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) VA [Voice of Eye] Sirens at Propolis ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) VA [vidnaObmana and VOT 3/2 (a remix) * ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient) Asmus Tietchens] 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Steve Roach and his = new box set release. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Mystic Chords & = Sacred Spaces," the first disk from the "Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces" boxed = set on the Projekt label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "LeParc" by Tangerine Dream on the Relativity label. I will also play the music of one of the artists who will be performing = at the Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on June = 22 featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff Pearce. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C326E2.29E5DB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #323       =20             May 29, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the = Sombient=20 Drone Series, a
trilogy of releases that codified the definition of = dark=20 ambient.  The Featured
CD at Midnight was "Immersion," disk = three of=20 "Swarm of Drones," the third
release of the Drone Series on the = Sombient=20 label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Oxygene" by Jean Michel Jarre on = the=20 Disques
Motors label.
 
I also played the music of one of the artists who will be = performing at=20 the
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.
 
Sombient Drone Series - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#may
=
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Jean Michel=20 Jarre       Oxygene Part=20 IV          Oxygene = (Disques=20 Motors)
Jean Michel Jarre       Oxygene = Part=20 V           Oxygene = (Disques=20 Motors)
Jean Michel Jarre       Oxygene = Part=20 VI          Oxygene = (Disques=20 Motors)
Amongst Myselves        = Morning of=20 the Earth     Sacred Black (RMC Records)
The = Tenth=20 Planet        Slipping=20 Slowly          Music from = the=20 Stars (none)
Erez=20 Yaary           &n= bsp; =20 Journey Through Time     Nibiru (none)
Andreas=20 Akwara          Solar = Eclipse Part=20 V     Solar Eclipse (AA Music)
VA [Maryanne=20 Amacher]   KARYON Sound Chamber     ASOD - = Immersion (Sombient)
 
12:00 am
VA [David = Kwan]        =20 +/-1V           &n= bsp;       =20 ASOD - Immersion (Sombient)
VA [Elliot=20 Sharp]      =20 Klystron           = ;     =20 ASOD - Immersion (Sombient)
VA [ISO = Orchestra]     =20 Idle=20 Sunder           &= nbsp; =20 ASOD - Immersion (Sombient)
VA=20 [Antimatter]         Flyback=20 Transformer      ASOD - Immersion = (Sombient)
VA=20 [Gregory Lenczycki]  Temporal=20 Filter          ASOD - = Immersion=20 (Sombient)
          = ;            =    =20 Coefficient
VA [Mortal Engines]     Passage=20 IV            = ;  =20 ASOD - Immersion (Sombient)
VA [Robert=20 Rich]       =20 Ephemera           = ;     =20 ASOD - Immersion (Sombient)
VA [Jeff=20 Greinke]       Out From=20 Under           ASOD - = Immersion (Sombient)
VA [Voice of = Eye]      =20 Sirens at Propolis       ASOD - Immersion=20 (Sombient)
VA [vidnaObmana and     VOT 3/2 (a = remix)=20 *      ASOD - Immersion (Sombient)
  = Asmus=20 Tietchens]
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus = on=20 Steve Roach and his new
box set release.  The Featured CD at = Midnight=20 will be "Mystic Chords & Sacred
Spaces," the first disk from the = "Mystic=20 Chords & Sacred Spaces" boxed set on
the Projekt label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "LeParc" by Tangerine Dream = on=20 the
Relativity label.
 
I will also play the music of one of the artists who will be = performing at=20 the
Summer Solstice Space Spectacular in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on = June=20 22
featuring Robert Rich, Steve Roach, Jonn Serrie, and Jeff = Pearce.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C326E2.29E5DB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 20:34:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V0WWj22145; Fri, 30 May 2003 20:32:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:32:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.a583134.2c095214@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:32:20 EDT Subject: recording question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what am i doing wrong?.....when i send a signal from my mackie 1202 mixer to my phillips cd recorder i am not getting much volume into the phillips, the signal is pretty weak and when i play the recorded cds, i really have to turn up the volume.....it wasn't always like this and i can't figure out what i did to mess things up.....thanks.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 20:43:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V0f5g23083; Fri, 30 May 2003 20:41:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:41:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <27.41411529.2c09541c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:41:00 EDT Subject: zoom 2100 foot control pedal question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <3zDIL.A.ioF.ho_1-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use a zoom FP02 foot pedal to control my 2100.....it is messing up in the middle of it's throw.....i opened it up and besides there being "nothing" in there all i saw was that the wheel that turns the "thing" was running very smoothly.....the "thing" (circut board) or whatever may be the prob.....i dont really want to spend another 60 or so bucks for a new one.....is there a way to fix this or is there another cheaper control pedal that will work.....thanks.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 21:12:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V1Atn27170; Fri, 30 May 2003 21:10:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:10:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530015613.02ba9ff8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:12:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim In-Reply-To: <003801c323a6$53bdd940$d662f93f@global> References: <200305261521.h4QFLnu16060@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry folks. I thought I had explained my point plenty well already, but apparently not. Rick insists I have to answer directly each of his posts. I'll limit it to two. Since I already made all of these points answering other people's posts, this will be pretty repetitive. It sure feels that way to me. At 09:46 AM 5/26/2003, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >It's also important to say that I guess I just get a little tired of people >(and not necessarily you, Kim) constantly putting down the people who >actually like to be called loopers. are there people doing that? I haven't heard it I guess. Most people calling themselves "loopers" are describing their role in the creation of the music. Like somebody who plays trumpet calling themselves a "trumpeter". It describes tools, techniques, and instruments. Conflict erupts when people try to use "Looping" to refer to particular genres of music, whether they mean to or not. (or styles, categories, types etc. I seem to use these words interchangeably, sorry.) When you go out into the world promoting "Looping" or "Live Looping" it sure looks like that's what you are doing. When that happens it threatens to confuse what a "Looper" is, since it suddenly starts referring to a particular type of music. Then lots of people get pissed off because their self-descriptive use of "Looper" suddenly means they play that type of music when they don't. So they either fight back or they avoid anything at all to do with the word "Looper". >There is ,of course, always a constant danger of preaching to the converted >of course, but the fact of the matter is thatrallying together as a >community of people with common cause >who are interested in promoting and learning about the thing that they love >is not a bad thing. yes, that is what we do here at Looper's Delight. The point though is that "Looping" is generally an idea being promoted to other musicians as a type of instrument or tool or technique. The goal is to get more musicians interested in Looping. It is not promoted as a musical style or genre or whatever, because it isn't one for one thing. But also because that works directly against the idea of promoting Looping to a wider range of musicians. >you wrote: >". But I don't see how it does much to directly promote looping outside of >that realm." > >I actually challenge your assertion that looping festivals don't promote to >people outside of the realm. I have played to literally thousands of >non-loopers in the 25 some odd Looping festivals,several looping tours and >dozens of solo, duo and trio gigs that I have done as a self professed >Live Looping Artist. I calculated that I performed on local FM radio last >year a total of over 12 hours. That went to out to thousands of 'normals' >(lol) >in my region and over in the South Bay (with several million people within >earshot). I was interviewed in countless magazine articles and, indeed, we >had a long cover article on the Metro newspaper which went out to most >people in our county (100,000 population) on specifically the Live Looping >Movement. I've had strong interest from both national and international >electronic music magazines and currently have a 30 minute television >special rotating constantly on local cable access as we speak. Rick, your efforts are amazing. But doesn't this mean all these people now think "Live Looping" is a type of music that sounds like Rick Walker? When we are promoting Looping to other musicians, as we do with Looper's Delight, there is a clear description of Looping being more of an instrument or a set of tools that musicians can use for whatever type of music they like. Musicians can readily understand that this is about the tools. However, when you promote this idea of "Live Looping" to the public they will naturally understand it as a type of music, not a type of instrument. Non-musicians don't care very much what instruments are used or how they are played, they care about the musical result they hear and whether they like that or not. That is the problem that frustrates people here. When you go out into the public and say "Hey everybody, come check out this new Live-Looping scene", the public will understand that to mean a style of music. When they do come check it out, whatever they hear first will equal the "Live Looping" genre for them, and they will judge if they like it or not. That's a problem for everybody else. Using the term in such a way harms everyone else's ability to promote themselves since it now refers to some other style of music. On the other hand, if you go out promoting "Live Looping" to the world as including all sorts of different types of music, ordinary listeners will just be confused. You are really promoting the tools/instruments/techniques side. That is all the term "Live Looping" can mean if it's not about the musical result people listen to. It's just like promoting "Trumpeting" to the masses. That's great, but you have to realize the only people interested will be musicians who currently play that instrument or are considering it. That's a really small market. Most other people don't care about the tools, they care about the resulting music. What use is "Live Looping" to them if it is any kind of music? They will only find this term confusing and not useful in helping them find music they like. Marketing "Live Looping" to the non-musician world is pointless if there is no obvious style of music for them to respond to. So that's why I don't understand this as a mass marketing strategy. Either it's pointless if there is no genre associated with it or it's harmful if there is. > All kudos to the solo bass movement but using that angle with >reporters just fell flat on it's face whereas talking about the metaphor and >technology that surrounded that auspicious event really excited the >journalists and I think for three salient reasons: >1) It was new and they didn't know about the technology so it peaked their >interest with all due respect, you are in Santa Cruz, CA. Santa Cruz is an eclectic, affluent suburb to Silicon Valley, the tech center of the world. Anything weird, arty, and related to technology will immediately get any journalist's interest when serving that area. But it hardly represents most of the rest of the world. Also, novelties sell papers. When the novelty is used up, then what? >this last fact can't be overemphasized: We have had a really awful time >with the notion of community in our culture (Northern California at least) >sense the end of the 1960s and people are so hungry for it that they are >fascinated (almost universally when I talk to most 'normals') by the fact >that a lot of people have that feeling of inclusion. This bit seems strange, and sort of unrelated. Is this one of those "when I was young everything was better" nostalgia trips? Look around. There are little scenes and communities everywhere. People gravitate into all sorts of little groups. I love finding them. I spent the past few weeks traveling around Northern California and found them everywhere. Artisan communities on the Mendocino coast. Snowboarders at the top of Squaw Valley. RV people in campgrounds. Boating people on mountain lakes. Latino communities in the central coast. Metal sculpture artists in Oakland. The Indian community of the guys I work with. Innkeepers. The black community I live in. Community groups in small towns. etc etc. It's really fascinating, but it's also really real. If you keep pining after the past, you'll miss the present. >I'm not saying that everyone who uses a looper needs to feel a part of that >specific community (merely defined as the people who think of themselves as >live loopers). Far be it from the truth. It appears to me that people using Loopers were not having any problem feeling a part of the Looping community when we were just talking about it as the tools and instruments we use to create music. We all share the common bond of using the same type of instrument and techniques, and that's why the community of Looper's Delight exists. Musicians with a common instrument sharing ideas and what not. It was only when a few people started trying to make "Looping" or "Live Looping" into something beyond just the musicians using the tools that people suddenly want to disassociate themselves. How is that building community? >I'm saying that what is, IS!!! right. What IS, is "Looping" has already been in use for a long time to describe instruments, tools, and techniques used by many people. Suddenly trying to give it a new meaning now causes conflict. Adding "Live" doesn't really change it that much. >How can this be a bad thing? Why do people constantly get upset that we >are just trying to promote a community. Maybe you should take that reaction as a clue that something is wrong with your approach? >If we called ourselves the STRANGE HAT COMMUNITY and did exactly what we are >trying to do I say that the world is a tiny bit better for our efforts and >that we should actually be applauded. Precisely. If you came up with a different phrase that didn't already have a clear usage and meaning, and wasn't already used by tons of people, there wouldn't be any conflict. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 21:36:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V1YVi29357; Fri, 30 May 2003 21:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:34:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530162300.02a45c70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:36:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: reply to Kim In-Reply-To: <009a01c32607$288d95e0$7a64f93f@global> References: <200305291039.h4TAdPg28152@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5o-xtB.A.kKH.naA2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:24 AM 5/29/2003, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >It is just the only story that I can use to combat your assertions that we >are completely ineffective in getting the word out to the masses. I don't think I said you were ineffective, I'm saying the strategy doesn't make sense. Effectively doing something that doesn't make sense seems like a lot of energy that might be better applied in a different way. >I have a challenge for you: Instead of constantly nay-saying what we are >attempting to accomplish by producing Live Looping Festivals, that sure sounds bad. What I'm doing is challenging you to think clearly through what you are doing, so that it hopefully has a stronger foundation to grow on. >why don't you brainstorm and alternate strategy to push Live Looping to >world of non loopers. Do you mean push Looping to non-looper musicians in the hopes they might become Loopers themselves? I already did come up with a strategy for that. It's called Looper's Delight. Over 125,000 people visit it each month and learn something or another about looping. I don't really have the energy to come up with more than that. Or do you mean push Looping to non-musicians in the hopes they will come listen to it? That's exactly what I've been saying doesn't make sense if looping can be anything, so I don't quite see the point. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 21:48:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V1kgF30748; Fri, 30 May 2003 21:46:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:46:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030530181806.014c7d30@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:46:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Re: Scratch Looper In-Reply-To: <3562BB02-92E8-11D7-8C3E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> References: <002201c326ef$bc7c2e40$8e91be3f@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I know better than to try to change your mind, but Ms. Pinky is DOPE. Scott Wardle, the inventor, brought it down one weekend, and I got to play with it for a while. We actually recorded two or three hours' worth of jams of Ms. Pinky vs. armatronix, which may surface at some point. The problem with the CDJ is the interface, which doesn't do a very good job of emulating the feel of real vinyl. If you don't know or care about the difference, I guess the CDJ is more convenient to haul around and a little bit cheaper, but Ms. Pinky is very cool for somebody who wants the feel of real vinyl. I guess it's kind of like the difference between weighted and unweighted keys on a keyboard - it's a tactile thing. Since Ms. Pinky is essentially a controller for Max/MSP/Jitter, it seems like you could build yourself a module to accept live input into a buffer, and then control the buffer output with Ms. Pinky. Scott already has a looper built into it, and a bunch of effects. I'm no expert turntablist, but Scott's vinyl emulator sounds pretty good to me. He could probably add pseudo-random pops and surface noise, if you wanted (if he hasn't already - that guy's a friggin' genius). I'd say that you'd get WAY more value out of Ms. Pinky bundled with Max, MSP, and Jitter, than you would out of a CDJ-1000. The CDJ plays CDs and allows you scratching and limited looping and effects. Ms. Pinky will give you all that and anything else you can dream up - no more excuses. I didn't even realize that you could control video with it, too (via Jitter) - that opens up a whole realm of possibilities. BTW, the Ms. Pinky record is a pretty good scratch record as-is, without all of that computer mumbo-jumbo ;) -Hans At 14:46 30/05/2003, you wrote: >This isn't it. What I'm talking about is something that's scratching from >a live buffer. This seems like it will do it to a file on your hard >drive. For the money they're asking for the software, plus getting a >turntable, I'd be better off with the CDJ-1000. > >Also, I'm pretty sure there's some sort of DSP or modeling involved with >what the CDJ-1000 does to get it to sound realistic at low speeds, as >opposed to just a jog shuttle device. If you haven't played with one, I >recommend doing it. It's so very cool. > >Mark > >On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 02:09 PM, Rick Williamson wrote: > >>/What I'd really love is for someone to >>/manufacture a device like the Pioneer CDJ-1000 that would let you use >>/live input instead of a CD as the audio source. Seems totally >>/possible, no? The CDJ-1000 takes data from an optical drive and puts >>/it in a RAM buffer. Why not fill that ram buffer from the output of an >>/A/D converter? Anyway, it doesn't exist...yet. >> >>With Ms. Pinky's Maxi-Patch and Max/MSP/Jitter, you can use a turntable >>to scratch anything. Read about Ms. Pinky. Download Ms. Pinky. >> >>Careful what you ask for From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 21:50:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V1nJN31238; Fri, 30 May 2003 21:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030530184740.014f29f0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:49:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Re: recording question In-Reply-To: <1c4.a583134.2c095214@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're using the XLR outs, make sure you have the "MAIN OUTPUT LEVEL" button on the back of the Mackie set to +4. -Hans At 17:32 30/05/2003, you wrote: >what am i doing wrong?.....when i send a signal from my mackie 1202 mixer to >my phillips cd recorder i am not getting much volume into the phillips, the >signal is pretty weak and when i play the recorded cds, i really have to >turn up >the volume.....it wasn't always like this and i can't figure out what i did >to mess things up.....thanks.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 23:45:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V3gp215267; Fri, 30 May 2003 23:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 23:42:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c32726$75d771c0$8e62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305302339.h4UNd6616409@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Scratch Looper Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:41:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: "This isn't it. What I'm talking about is something that's scratching from a live buffer. This seems like it will do it to a file on your hard drive. For the money they're asking for the software, plus getting a turntable, I'd be better off with the CDJ-1000." Hi Mark, I've beta tested Ms. Pinky cursorily for my good friend, the inventor, Scott Wardle. It accomplishes so vastly much more that you could accomplish with the CDJ-1000 from my experience, not to mention the fact that you can use it with Max/MSP patches or with Pluggo. Just the use of your mouse as a controller for modulation and muting alone allows for incredible munching possibilities. Also, it means that the entire sound world is your oyster as you can manipulate and scratch any audio files. It also allows you to turn off backwards or forwards scratches which means that you can use a 'drumstick' approach as opposed to a 'shaker' approach, rhythmically. What I mean, as a percussionist is that everytime you hit an object with a drumstick (under normal circumstances) you produce one sound. With a shaker, every forward movement results in two sounds (forward and backwards) allowing you to 'double time' any forward movement. This is great, but for rapid ostinato rhythmic manipulation of a recording (ala scratching), Ms. Pinky allows you to think like a trapset player in your manipulation of the sound file.................very, very hip because it means you do not, necessarily, have to learn turntablist technique to use Ms. Pinky effectively. As a drummer, this rocks for me. You can then use square wave modulation at different speeds as stuttering devices, something I love to do with my Electrix MoFX live. If you get the chance, try it out, it might change your mind about your next purchase. yours, Rick www.looppool.info p.s. paranthetically, Latin Percussion has just invented a shaker called a ONE SHOT that allows a 'drumstick' approach to shaker sounds. It is a very hip alternative to a hi hat for trapset playing or percussion overdubbing. I'm using mine through an Electrix FILTER FACTORY live to create some hip organic/electronic hybrid sounds to replace the wonderful but highly overused hi hat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 01:18:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V5HMJ28215; Sat, 31 May 2003 01:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 01:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c32733$a7a30540$d364f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305310345.h4V3jEh15839@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: last reply to Kim on the whole LIVE LOOPING thangee Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:15:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Kim and everyone at Loopers Delight, I just read your very thorough post and answer to my points, Kim. Thanks for taking the time to write them. Your logic, as always, is impeccable. You make strong logical points for everything you say. ........and, if I read you correctly (and I seem to be in the habit of reading you incorrectly, lately), you think that our (and by that I mean most but not all of the people who have been producing so called Looping events in the past couple of years) use of the term 'Live Looping' is counterproductive and in danger of hurting the work that you have accomlished with Loopers Delight so far. I'm really sad that you feel that way, but I just don't agree with you. It just isn't completely about the intellect and logic for me. I can't convince you, logically that what I do is right..........I just have a strong gut feeling that it is. I'm just very tired debating you any longer. It only depresses me and life has been depressing enough lately. You win. ********************* I am, consequently, sorry we don't agree, but we just don't. I'm following my heart with my work. I'm trying to be creative. I'm trying to help out the cause of Looping. I guess history will be the true judge no matter what you and I think, intellectually. So we are just going to have to agree to disagree, I'm afraid. ************************ My honest apologies to all of you whose buttons I have pushed with my efforts and my posts. I've never intended to push anyone's buttons. I've really intended to be as inclusive as I could. I've just tried to promote Looping to the public the best way that I know how to. I've worked hard at it even if Kim feels that my work is detrimental to the cause of looping and loopers. I will not be offended if you put my name on automatic delete. Honestly. I certainly don't mean to be intrusive. ********************* To those of you who aren't offended by what I do, I hope to play with you in the future: to share ideas and techniques and friendship. I love looping. I consider myself a live looper (whether that is a movement, a genre, a style or just some wierd assed figment of my imagination). I know that there are a few of us here by the many e-mails that I've recieved lately off list encouraging me to push on. Thanks for those. ********************* Now, why don't we get back to the gear and the music. That would be cool. I've got a hell of a lot of work to do to be able to use the EDP effectively in a live situati yours, sincerely, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 01:54:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V5rPJ30930; Sat, 31 May 2003 01:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 01:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:53:20 -0700 Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530015613.02ba9ff8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/30/03 6:12 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Non-musicians don't care very much what instruments are used or > how they are played, they care about the musical result they hear and > whether they like that or not. Why did Windham Hill put out Piano Sampler albums and Guitar Sampler albums (including one with David Torn), etc? Why does my father like jazz but dislike trumpet and saxophone? The choice of instruments and tools affects the sound which affects the reactions of even non-musicians. It's a continuum. Andre LaFosse and Bill Walker don't sound particularly alike, but they sound more like one another than they sound like many non-looping guitarists. Now, yes the looping community also includes people like Richard Zvonar and John Whooley who sound very unlike Andre or Bill (though their work has its own set of similarities), but jazz also covers a broad spectrum of individual styles. Using a looper tends to lead toward certain playing styles and certain approaches to composition. These get biased by other individual factors and sometimes you get some real surprises, but the surprises don't completely invalidate the ability to have some expectations about what one might hear when someone is looping. Now, if everyone comes to expect that Live Looping means doing strange things with green vibrators, then there is a bit of a marketing problem. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 02:10:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V68lS00865; Sat, 31 May 2003 02:08:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 02:08:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 01:08:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.03/Win32 M2 build 2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 30 May 2003 22:53:20 -0700, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Why did Windham Hill put out Piano Sampler albums and Guitar Sampler > albums > (including one with David Torn), etc? Actually, that also provides a good example of what Kim fears. While there is a lot of talent in Windham Hills and similar labels, there is also a lot of fluff that gets lumped in the same category. A lot of solo acoustic guitar music gets put in the New Age bin, even though a lot of it doesn't necessarily fit that style, preventing them from reaching the largest market possible, in fact pigeon-holing them. This was a great frustration for Michael Hedges and others. -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 02:59:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V6wMx04119; Sat, 31 May 2003 02:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 02:58:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 23:58:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Scratch Looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030530181806.014c7d30@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <43A41778-9335-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, that does sound very cool, and my mind can be changed. To me it's like this though, I'm not a turntablest and probably will never be one. I've never scratched with a vinyl album. I think this is akin to being a piano player vs a keyboardist. I have lot's of piano playing pals who won't play anything other than a good weighted controller or a real piano. Since I don't play, inputting notes into some midi device is fine with a cheap controller. (though I miss the feel of my Ensonic TS-10 which had a nice heavy feel and cool spongy after-touch) Anyway, I'd be looking for cheap, portable and easy to use. You forget as a turntable owner that I'm $400+ dollars away from even having a turntable that's scratch-worthy... not to mention needing a laptop that will run Mr. Pinky, Mr. Pinky itself and an audio interface for the laptop. I can get a stripped down CDJ-700 for $600 at this point, so that's a lot less. I also think about how I'd use it and how much I'd use it, and even $600 seems like a lot. I'd love to barrow one for a while to see if I'd take to it though. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 06:46 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: > Mark, > > I know better than to try to change your mind, but Ms. Pinky is DOPE. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 05:50:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4V9nB118142; Sat, 31 May 2003 05:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 05:49:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <35.38bbfbdc.2c09d491@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 05:49:05 EDT Subject: Re: zoom 2100 foot control pedal question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i use a zoom FP02 foot pedal to control my 2100.....it is messing up in the > middle of it's throw.....i opened it up and besides there being "nothing" in > > there all i saw was that the wheel that turns the "thing" was running very > smoothly.....the "thing" (circut board) or whatever may be the prob.....i > dont > really want to spend another 60 or so bucks for a new one.....is there a way > to > fix this or is there another cheaper control pedal that will > work.....thanks.....michael There's a Yamaha footpedal which is equivalent. FP02 works the yamaha stuff perfectly. Otherwise the FP02 is non-standard. I think it's a 100k linear pot, the wiring to the stereo jack is non-standard, so you might need to re-solder. Worth looking in the bargain bins for FP02's they sell for giveaway prices. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 06:09:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VA8Qp20498; Sat, 31 May 2003 06:08:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 06:08:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:08:18 +0200 Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-906570531 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530015613.02ba9ff8@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-906570531 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 03:12 am, Kim Flint wrote: > Rick, your efforts are amazing. But doesn't this mean all these people > now think "Live Looping" is a type of music that sounds like Rick > Walker? No. Sorry Kim, but that is an absolute ridiculous thing to say :) > That is the problem that frustrates people here. When you go out into > the public and say "Hey everybody, come check out this new > Live-Looping scene", the public will understand that to mean a style > of music. When they do come check it out, whatever they hear first > will equal the "Live Looping" genre for them, and they will judge if > they like it or not. That's a problem for everybody else. Using the > term in such a way harms everyone else's ability to promote themselves > since it now refers to some other style of music. Live looping is a personal journey for each musician, and with live looping comes different styles. I consider myself a live looper - Do I sound like Rick? Does Rick sound like me? Absolutely not. I can give you many many examples just from my students alone. Live looping is *NOT* a style of music, it is way to create music... It is an incredible way to open up the psyche, the subconciousness, etc. etc. Live Looping is something that has grown over recent years with the advent of cheap (but adequate) looping devices and has a huge following. I'm reading your responses Kim, and it seems to me as though there is a lot of tension that could actually force what you fear - a split and loss of identity in the looping community. I am a live looper. I am also a looper. Whats the problem? Cant we live in harmony? I'm getting up to the stage where if things don't relax a little onlist, I'll be unsubbing and will purely reside on livelooping.com. Is that what you want? I'm confused. - Stu --Apple-Mail-2-906570531 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 03:12 am, Kim Flint wrote: Rick, your efforts are amazing. But doesn't this mean all these people now think "Live Looping" is a type of music that sounds like Rick Walker?0000,6363,1212 No. Sorry Kim, but that is an absolute ridiculous thing to say :) That is the problem that frustrates people here. When you go out into the public and say "Hey everybody, come check out this new Live-Looping scene", the public will understand that to mean a style of music. When they do come check it out, whatever they hear first will equal the "Live Looping" genre for them, and they will judge if they like it or not. That's a problem for everybody else. Using the term in such a way harms everyone else's ability to promote themselves since it now refers to some other style of music. Live looping is a personal journey for each musician, and with live looping comes different styles. I consider myself a live looper - Do I sound like Rick? Does Rick sound like me? Absolutely not. I can give you many many examples just from my students alone. Live looping is *NOT* a style of music, it is way to create music... It is an incredible way to open up the psyche, the subconciousness, etc. etc. Live Looping is something that has grown over recent years with the advent of cheap (but adequate) looping devices and has a huge following. I'm reading your responses Kim, and it seems to me as though there is a lot of tension that could actually force what you fear - a split and loss of identity in the looping community. I am a live looper. I am also a looper. Whats the problem? Cant we live in harmony? I'm getting up to the stage where if things don't relax a little onlist, I'll be unsubbing and will purely reside on livelooping.com. Is that what you want? I'm confused. - Stu --Apple-Mail-2-906570531-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 06:34:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VAXYH21813; Sat, 31 May 2003 06:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 06:33:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030531103328.79946.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 03:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > Live looping is *NOT* a style of music, it is way to > create music... Kim knows this. We know this. BUT..... http://www.livelooping.com/ this seems to say something different. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 06:42:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VAfco22419; Sat, 31 May 2003 06:41:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 06:41:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:41:30 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? From: Stuart Wyatt To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <70CE8F9D-9354-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Live looping to me is where everything is recorded and looped in realtime, without the aid of backing tracks. However, that is my interpretation of live looping, and I know that other people have their own interpretations of this style of playing. Just out of interest: Who on this list considers themselves a "Live Looper"? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 07:00:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VAsZU23292; Sat, 31 May 2003 06:54:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 06:54:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:54:28 +0200 Subject: livelooping.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030531103328.79946.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <405042CC-9356-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4VAsZB23268 Resent-Message-ID: <9D9fBB.A.zrF.rnI2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 12:33 pm, John Tidwell wrote: > --- Stuart Wyatt > wrote: >> >> Live looping is *NOT* a style of music, it is way to >> create music... > > Kim knows this. We know this. BUT..... > > http://www.livelooping.com/ > > this seems to say something different. To quote the site: > Welcome to Live Looping Music! >  Here we will show to public, press and artists: > > - what this new music is like It is a relatively new style of music... so this is fine. They are going to give examples of the diversity of live looping. > - where the fascination of looping comes from This seems ok... > - why its so different to create loops in real time Creating loops in realtime is what live looping is all about... what is the problem here? > - how you can learn it We/they want to share their tricks and ideas.... again, what is the problem? > - where such events took and will take place Great. A gig list... again - is this bad? > - which musicians are making success with this music Rick is one person. Per is another... Mathias and myself.... as well as many others. All are live loopers who are making a career of sorts through live looping. > A group of about 10 skilled musicians, poets and visual artists are > about to create this new site 10 people have shown an interest in creating the site. That does not mean that the site will be limited to just those 10 musicians. > If you think you may be interested, please come back here in a month > or two > or go to Loopers-Delight.com , the meeting point of such musicians. A reference to loopers delight. Live looping wants to live in harmony with LD. Is there anything bad in this? > If you are interested in contributing, please mail to: > info@LiveLooping.com > > Geoff Smith's LiveLooping Research Paper > Sunao Inami's LiveLooping Web Radio I really cannot see what is wrong with this? Maybe someone can enlighten me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 07:18:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VBHRJ25920; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:17:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 07:17:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030531111721.41673.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 04:17:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: livelooping.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <405042CC-9356-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I really cannot see what is wrong with this? Maybe > someone can enlighten me. The gist is this: >--- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > >> Live looping is *NOT* a style of music, it is way > to create music... and then wrote: > It is a relatively new style of music... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 07:25:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VBOvA26453; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 07:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <121.227a04f1.2c09eb05@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 07:24:53 EDT Subject: OT: (sorta) Solo Album by John Cecil Price To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_121.227a04f1.2c09eb05_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6013 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_121.227a04f1.2c09eb05_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Cecil Price, Co-founding member of the legendary Dark Ambient/Erotic=20 Band AKASH, releases his 1st ever SoloCD, entitled: UBWENGE. UBWENGE is presented online, in its entirety with many detailed-vivid descriptions into the intentions and specific stories behind each song *Listen to UBWENGE for free right here: http://zed.cbc.ca/displayUser.do?user_id=3D18853&user=3DJprice01 UBWENGE is a Bantu term meaning "active intelligence". The album, UBWENGE, is about a dying Black Man's final dream and the legacy=20 of hope he leaves behind to all other Black Men who remain living and those=20= who=20 are also about to be born upon The Planet Earth. UBWENGE, draw supon classic 4th way literary texts by making direct=20 references to Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Jean Toomer and Great Black Writers/Thin= kers such=20 as W.E.B. DuBois, while also alluding to a traditional set of African Folklo= res=20 and African Animist traditions.=20 The music on UBWENGE, is free-jazz laden, experimental, political and=20 ambitious in its scope where it represents a brief, but powerful -11 Song -=20 Short-Story, coming from one of Philadelphia's most promising muscial talent= s. Track listing is as follows: *NOTE:( The track Listing quoted here is according to the order in which the= =20 songsappear on the actual CD and may not reflect the precise order in which=20 the songs will appear online ): *1. ) TOGU NA *2. ) LOVE PARK 10 3. ) 3 OCTAVES OF CELEBRATION *4. ) CAIN 5. ) A NEW MODEL OF THE UNIVERSE=20 *6. ) IN SEARCH OF THE MIRACULOUS=20 *7. ) NAZAM *8. ) OYA *9. ) 2ND. VISION 10. ) DUSK OF DAWN=20 *11. ) THE TIMELESS HOUR (7) All songs written, produced and arranged by John Cecil Price; All sounds,=20 instruments,samples played/manipulated/collected by John Cecil Price, except= =20 where noted ( * ). *Elliott Levin - Tenor Sax &/or Flute on Tracks 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11; *Charles DuQuesne - Drums, Purcussion on Tracks 1, 2, 11;=20 *DJ Turtle - Hand Percussion on Tracks 1, 8;=20 *Cory Neale - Upright Acoustic Bass on Tracks 1, 2, 8, 11. UBWENGE was recorded mostly Live In Olde City Philadelphia @ TURTLE STUDIOS;= =20 Also, various recordings for UBWENGE were taken/adapted from Live performanc= es=20 throughout The USA; UBWENGE was engineered by DJ Turtle; Mastered and mixedb= y=20 John Cecil Price, DJ Turtle and Charles DuQuesne. UBWENGE is dedicated to Love, God, Father, Mother, Justice, Africa, MNC, ESQ= ,=20 Sonny Sharrock, Ed, Gina, Street Musicians Worldwide and everyone whom John=20 Cecil Price ever met ( + ) Mooocho thanks to The entire PH.P Records Team,=20 Philadelphia City Paper; *All prayers go out to every Black Man imprisoned i= n The=20 United States of America. *John Cecil Price makes extensive use of Carlo Robelli Guitars and Basses in= =20 addition to a Roland GR-30, Boss GT-3, Line 6 DL/4 and Lexicon Jamman. "REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS" Copyright =A9 1998-2003, PH.P RECORDS, INC. --part1_121.227a04f1.2c09eb05_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Cecil Price, Co-founding member of the legendary=20= Dark Ambient/Erotic Band AKASH, releases his 1st ever SoloCD, entitled: UBWE= NGE.

UBWENGE is presented online, in its entirety with many detailed-vivid
descriptions into the intentions and specific stories behind each song
*Listen to UBWENGE for free right here:
http://zed.cbc.ca/displayUser.do?user_id=3D18853&user=3DJprice01
UBWENGE is a Bantu term meaning "active intelligence".

The album, UBWENGE, is about a dying Black Man's final dream and the legacy=20= of hope he leaves behind to all other Black Men who remain living and those=20= who are also about to be born upon The Planet Earth.

UBWENGE, draw supon classic 4th way literary texts by making direct referenc= es to Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Jean Toomer and Great Black Writers/Thinkers suc= h as W.E.B. DuBois, while also alluding to a traditional set of African Folk= lores and African Animist traditions.

The music on UBWENGE, is free-jazz laden, experimental, political and ambiti= ous in its scope where it represents a brief, but powerful -11 Song - Short-= Story, coming from one of Philadelphia's most promising muscial talents.

Track listing is as follows:

*NOTE:( The track Listing quoted here is according to the order in which the= songsappear on the actual CD and may not reflect the precise order in which= the songs will appear online ):

*1. )     TOGU NA
*2. )     LOVE PARK 10
3. )      3 OCTAVES OF CELEBRATION
*4. )     CAIN
5. )      A NEW MODEL OF THE UNIVERSE
*6. )     IN SEARCH OF THE MIRACULOUS
*7. )     NAZAM
*8. )     OYA
*9. )     2ND. VISION
10. )    DUSK OF DAWN
*11. )   THE TIMELESS HOUR (7)

All songs written, produced and arranged by John Cecil Price; All sounds, in= struments,samples played/manipulated/collected by John Cecil Price, except w= here noted ( * ).

*Elliott Levin - Tenor Sax &/or Flute on Tracks 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11;=

*Charles DuQuesne - Drums, Purcussion on Tracks 1, 2, 11;

*DJ Turtle - Hand Percussion on Tracks 1, 8;

*Cory Neale - Upright Acoustic Bass on Tracks 1, 2, 8, 11.

UBWENGE was recorded mostly Live In Olde City Philadelphia @ TURTLE STUDIOS;= Also, various recordings for UBWENGE were taken/adapted from Live performan= ces throughout The USA; UBWENGE was engineered by DJ Turtle; Mastered and mi= xedby John Cecil Price, DJ Turtle and Charles DuQuesne.

UBWENGE is dedicated to Love, God, Father, Mother, Justice, Africa, MNC, ESQ= , Sonny Sharrock, Ed, Gina, Street Musicians Worldwide and everyone whom Joh= n Cecil Price ever met ( + ) Mooocho thanks to The entire PH.P Records Team,= Philadelphia City Paper; *All prayers go out to every Black Man imprisoned=20= in The United States of America.

*John Cecil Price makes extensive use of Carlo Robelli Guitars and Basses in= addition to a Roland GR-30, Boss GT-3, Line 6 DL/4 and Lexicon Jamman.

"REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS"

Copyright =A9 1998-2003, PH.P RECORDS, INC.


 --part1_121.227a04f1.2c09eb05_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 07:34:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VBXEI27043; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 07:33:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:33:07 +0200 Subject: Re: livelooping.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030531111721.41673.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 01:17 pm, Tim Nelson wrote: >>>> Live looping is *NOT* a style of music, it is way >> to create music... > > and then wrote: > >> It is a relatively new style of music... > > I walked into that one. :) Its early, and I have not had my caffeine intake for the day. Maybe that needs to be changed. The site is by no means complete or finalised. :) "It is a relatively new style of playing" (?) Is this really the sentence that has caused all of this friction? If so, then I am amazed.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 07:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VBY9D27158; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 07:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030531113403.27203.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 04:34:03 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <70CE8F9D-9354-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Live looping to me is where everything is recorded > and looped in > realtime, without the aid of backing tracks. > However, that is my > interpretation of live looping, and I know that > other people have their > own interpretations of this style of playing. > > Just out of interest: Who on this list considers > themselves a "Live > Looper"? If looping "live" in my living room counts, then I'm a Live-Looper. I'm also a guitar player. And yet, you still don't know what style of music I play (or if I have any style at all). :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 07:49:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VBlN128192; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:47:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 07:47:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030531114718.23185.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 04:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: livelooping.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3Q1k3C.A.Y4G.LZJ2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > "It is a relatively new style of playing" (?) > > Is this really the sentence that has caused all of > this friction? If > so, then I am amazed.... No. There are at least two references to Live-Looping as "this new music". I'll have you know that I've never looped anything new in my life. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 09:29:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VDRuU04464; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:27:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 09:27:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c32777$d80b0c20$db3c5cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for May 2003 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 09:23:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32756.434A0120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32756.434A0120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for May, 2003. Shows #319 to #323; 1-May-2003 to 29-May-2003 Reported in non-ranked, alphabetical order. Compiled by Bill Fox. CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST ALBUM TITLE = LABEL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Airsculpture Quark Soup = Neu Harmony Amongst Myselves Sacred Black = RMC Records Andreas Akwara Solar Eclipse = AA Music Andy Pickford and Paul Nagle Pamayana = Neu Harmony Arcane Future Wreck = Neu Harmony Der Sypra Future of the Past = Manikin Erez Yaary Nibiru = none Exuviae Settling Density = AtmoWorks Gert Emmens Wanderer of Time = Groove John Lakveet Epikus = Groove Robert Rich Temple of the Invisible = Soundscape Productions Steve Roach Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces = Projekt Subsonic Experience Pr=E4position = DiN Various Artists A Storm of Drones - disc 1 - "Audio" = Sombient Various Artists A Storm of Drones - disc 2 - = "Environmental" Sombient Various Artists A Storm of Drones - disc 3 - "Immersion" = Sombient Various Artists Swarm of Drones - disc 1 = Sombient Various Artists Swarm of Drones - disc 2 = Sombient Various Artists The Throne of Drones = Sombient Xeroid Entity Moons of Saturn = Electro-Music Recordings =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at = 11:00 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32756.434A0120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for May, 2003.
Shows #319 to #323;=20 1-May-2003 to 29-May-2003
Reported in non-ranked,=20 alphabetical order.
Compiled by Bill Fox.
 
CONTACT:   billfox@fast.net
  &nbs= p;       =20 http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emu= sic
 

ARTIST         &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 ALBUM=20 TITLE           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 LABEL
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Airsculpture       =            =20 Quark=20 Soup           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;=20 Neu Harmony
Amongst=20 Myselves           = ;   =20 Sacred=20 Black           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;          =20 RMC Records
Andreas=20 Akwara           &= nbsp;    =20 Solar=20 Eclipse           =             &= nbsp;         =20 AA Music
Andy Pickford and Paul Nagle  =20 Pamayana           = ;            =             &= nbsp;  =20 Neu=20 Harmony
Arcane         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 Future=20 Wreck           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;          =20 Neu Harmony
Der=20 Sypra           &n= bsp;         =20 Future of the=20 Past           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;    =20 Manikin
Erez=20 Yaary           &n= bsp;        =20 Nibiru           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    =20 none
Exuviae         &nbs= p;            = ; =20 Settling=20 Density           =             &= nbsp;      =20 AtmoWorks
Gert=20 Emmens           &= nbsp;       =20 Wanderer of=20 Time           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;      =20 Groove
John=20 Lakveet           =        =20 Epikus           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    =20 Groove
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;       =20 Temple of the=20 Invisible          &nbs= p;            = ;=20 Soundscape Productions
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;       =20 Mystic Chords & Sacred=20 Spaces           &= nbsp;     =20 Projekt
Subsonic=20 Experience          &nb= sp;=20 Pr=E4position          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;=20 DiN
Various=20 Artists           =     =20 A Storm of Drones - disc 1 -=20 "Audio"          =20 Sombient
Various=20 Artists           =     =20 A Storm of Drones - disc 2 - "Environmental"   = Sombient
Various=20 Artists           =     =20 A Storm of Drones - disc 3 - = "Immersion"      =20 Sombient
Various=20 Artists           =     =20 Swarm of Drones - disc=20 1            =           =20 Sombient
Various=20 Artists           =     =20 Swarm of Drones - disc=20 2            =           =20 Sombient
Various=20 Artists           =     =20 The Throne of=20 Drones           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Sombient
Xeroid=20 Entity           &= nbsp;     =20 Moons of=20 Saturn           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;       =20 Electro-Music Recordings
 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
EMUSIC=20 is an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  Thursdays = at 11:00=20 pm
(GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM = in Easton=20 and
Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32756.434A0120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 09:38:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VDb1J05211; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 09:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 09:37:25 -0400 Subject: Looping as a category From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200305311149.h4VBnnQ28355@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4VDb1B05181 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As someone who has been using loops for over 20 years, my feeling is that it is a means to an end. The music is the important part, and the looping provides some composers with a way to perform what they hear I their head. For me, 90% of what I do is composed. If you heard me tonight and again tomorrow night, you would hear the same compositions (assuming I performed them both nights) and they would be recognizable as such. To say ³I¹m a looper² means nothing to the average listener, and should mean very little to the rest of us. It simply means you use a type of equipment or tool. As Kim and others have mentioned, the average listener could care less. They want to hear good (for lack of a better term) music. Robert Fripp (for example) does not call what he does loop music. He creates music, and it must stand on its own to survive. And to answer Stuart Wyatt, I consider myself a live looper to the extent that I don't use backing tracks for the looping material I perform. But I don't call it looping. My compositions have names, and I use those. Kenn Lowy (aka wrinklemuzik) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 10:04:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VE34p08564; Sat, 31 May 2003 10:03:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:03:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030531140258.14079.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 07:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030531113403.27203.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-512483305-1054389778=:13857" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-512483305-1054389778=:13857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii aside from looping's inherent "practice aide" qualities, i am exclusively a live looper. i have no pre-recorded tracks and everything i do (within the band context) is done on the fly and loops are build and torn down on stage. live looping effectively lets me clone myself so that we go from trio to octet in a matter of minutes. as far as i'm concerned, this is the true beauty of looping devices. by the way, what's the other type of looping? dead looping? -jim --0-512483305-1054389778=:13857 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

aside from looping's inherent "practice aide" qualities, i am exclusively a live looper.  i have no pre-recorded tracks and everything i do (within the band context) is done on the fly and loops are build and torn down on stage.  live looping effectively lets me clone myself so that we go from trio to octet in a matter of minutes.  as far as i'm concerned, this is the true beauty of looping devices. 

by the way, what's the other type of looping?  dead looping?

-jim

--0-512483305-1054389778=:13857-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 10:33:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VEUsv13705; Sat, 31 May 2003 10:30:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:30:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:30:47 +0200 Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030531140258.14079.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <782EF7E0-9374-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4VEUrB13681 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 04:02 pm, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: > by the way, what's the other type of looping?  dead looping? :) There are many people who are loopers who loop using pre-recorded loops (i.e. by using Live), or play live loops but with a lot of pre-recorded pre-sequenced music. They all fall under the general term of 'loopers', but maybe not necessarily live loopers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 11:39:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VFbdx21978; Sat, 31 May 2003 11:37:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 11:37:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:37:37 -0700 Subject: Gig spam [Tacoma, WA]: Tiktok at the Abbey Ballroom, Sunday 6/1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: tiktok@sprintmail.com To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What: Tiktok performance (Travis Hartnett, solo guitar loops) Where: Abbey Ballroom (19TH @ Fawcett, Tacoma, Washington) When: Sunday, June 1st, 6PM As part of the Quiet Music Cultivation, curated by James Cobb, I'll be playing in Tacoma tomorrow night (Sunday), at the Abbey Ballroom. Their website has a few details on the location (http://www.abbeyballroom.com/index.htm), but the calendar hasn't been updated since the beginning of the year, so no direct mention of the show. So maybe it'll all be a big surprise for everyone involved! Tiktok mp3's available at mp3.com/tiktok For further info, contact James Cobb at fughetta@yahoo.com Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 12:01:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VFw6025549; Sat, 31 May 2003 11:58:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 11:58:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030531155800.4596.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: categories and a note of thanks to the list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <70CE8F9D-9354-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com first things first... 'everything expressed in this email is merely opinion and you have your opinions...that's the great thing about them, they aren't facts and hence vary from person to person, so don't be offended - although i couldn't imagine this message offending too many folks - its always wise to give a disclaimer' okay - my thanks! yesterday as i arrived home from a long day at work i was pleased to see that my newest issue of tape op arrived in the mail! it got me to thinking. in the year and a half or so that i've been on this list, it has really changed tons of things for me! aside from introducing me to tape op and opening my ears to tons and tons of new music, i've met many great people and learned how to use my own ears and needs to judge the value of a piece of equipment (enough to the point where my friends and fellow band mates often have me scope out a piece of gear before they drop the cash!). i am an infinitely better musician because of the way i look at music now and how i treat the equipment i use to create the sounds in my head. and as i plunge into my first real project studio (the ol' 4-track machine couldn't keep up years ago), i thank this list for all of the great advice on approaches throughout my time of being a lurker to one who replies to virtually every post and back again to lurking with the occassional pop in. the natural evolution of my music and approach would have come, but this list has pushed me in new directions...THANKS! and now for my $0.02 on this topic... > Just out of interest: Who on this list considers > themselves a "Live > Looper"? i've seen tons and tons of flame wars and ridiculousness on this list (and throughout the world) for people's constant needs to classify everything into a category. whether it be race, religion, genre of music...what-have-you...and i need to post a question for my own interest - why is there such a need to fit into a category or not fit into a category? when it all comes down to it, does it really matter what label you have? looper or non-looper, it should be as insignificant as the color of your eyes? i think so. i've heard incredible music that was based around loops and terrible music based around loops, and the same for music without any loops. and what about those bands that don't use the equipment, but just play the same things over and over again? i don't know...maybe we're all just boring and need something to talk about, but i just don't get it...but it's probably just me. peace and bass... ~e va n __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 12:41:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VGead31541; Sat, 31 May 2003 12:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d201c32793$cb178d60$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents | head | phone | over | tone | & Hypnotech 3 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:43:41 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <9qNNkD.A.tsH.EsN2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 13:03:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VH1D802460; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:01:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030531170111.94512.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > Live looping is *NOT* a style of music, it is way to > create music... It Isn't this what Kim has been saying ever since he started replying to these threads? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 13:04:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VH3r802741; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:03:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:03:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030531170351.67255.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: livelooping.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <405042CC-9356-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > > It is a relatively new style of music... so this is > fine. They are > going to give examples of the diversity of live > looping. Stu - A few posts ago you said the following: >Live looping is *NOT* a style of music, it is way to >create music... But in this post you say it is a style of new music? Which one is it then? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 13:29:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VHSKl04775; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:28:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:28:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:28:05 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Dig if u will my research paper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003201c32799$ff2fad20$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <04f701c326db$01ee3eb0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I completely understand, these things are better down down > > the pub! I will keep this between me and Kim now. geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palmer" > please don't. i want to hear how you relate all those pieces. > i'm sure i'm not alone in that... ditto. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 13:32:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VHVkh05282; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:31:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:31:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <70CE8F9D-9354-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <70CE8F9D-9354-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 31 May 2003 12:31:25 -0400 Message-Id: <1054398688.2749.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 2003-05-31 at 06:41, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Live looping to me is where everything is recorded and looped in > realtime, without the aid of backing tracks. However, that is my > interpretation of live looping, and I know that other people have their > own interpretations of this style of playing. > > Just out of interest: Who on this list considers themselves a "Live > Looper"? > I'm a live looper by just about any definition. Guitar to looper(s) to amp. I don't use any sort of backing tracks, or even switching between loops. -- -dave "Who provides the profits - these nice little profits of 20, 100, 300, 1,500 and 1,800 per cent? We all pay them - in taxation... But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill." --Major General Smedley Butler, "War Is a Racket" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 13:34:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VHY7D05753; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:34:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:34:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:34:05 -0700 Subject: Re: livelooping.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030531170351.67255.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <137E3C91-938E-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not to cross threads, but aren't we asking a lot from a pot head? ;) Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Squid Loop wrote: > > --- Stuart Wyatt > wrote: >> > >> >> It is a relatively new style of music... so this is >> fine. They are >> going to give examples of the diversity of live >> looping. > > Stu - A few posts ago you said the following: > >> Live looping is *NOT* a style of music, it is way to >> create music... > > But in this post you say it is a style of new music? > Which one is it then? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 13:36:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VHZRP06139; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:35:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:35:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.127.243.240] X-Originating-Email: [armyofpie@hotmail.com] From: "Will Wright" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: categories (and wandering off topic as I tend to do) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:35:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2003 17:35:20.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[02595950:01C3279B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i've seen tons and tons of flame wars and >ridiculousness on this list (and throughout the world) >for people's constant needs to classify everything >into a category. whether it be race, religion, genre >of music...what-have-you...and i need to post a >question for my own interest - why is there such a >need to fit into a category or not fit into a >category? Having spent a lot of time on several local gothic and industrial lists (All unsubbed now, this is my only list, yay!) I have to say that LD, on the whole, is barely scratching the surface of the deep deep levels of illogic, spite, and all-caps bile spewing that the attempt to classify music can inspire. As vitriolic as this list may seem right now I'm impressed at the level of maturity and logic being applied to your arguments where many would have already fallen back to shouting and character assasination. Argument is good when carried out in a rational way, keeps everyone thinking, or at the very least forces us to explain (and thus strengthen, refine, or discard) our positions. I'm learning boatloads from you all, carry on. Will Wright who is trying to give up caffiene again and so hopes the above was in any way coherent. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 13:52:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VHpnX08081; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:51:42 +0200 Subject: Re: livelooping.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <137E3C91-938E-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <89E73312-9390-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-N1_a.A.G-B.1uO2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 07:34 pm, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Not to cross threads, but aren't we asking a lot from a pot head? ;) Pot head? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 13:56:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VHtwH08861; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:55:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:55:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Pot head Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:55:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <89E73312-9390-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a pot head and starting to get real pissed off 'cause I haven't smoked in a while-- Looping is, however, an acceptable substitute. My dime bag, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 14:03:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VI2Zu11046; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:02:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:02:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:01:36 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Pot head To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005001c3279e$adb2d440$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: Pot head > I'm a pot head and starting to get real pissed off 'cause I haven't smoked > in a while-- > Looping is, however, an acceptable substitute. > My dime bag, > Gary The thread that wouldn't die.... * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 14:48:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VIlBM15602; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:47:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:47:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 11:47:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Pot head Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <496D0A4C-9398-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was kidding guys! Just trying to insert some levity in this heavy conversation. On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 10:55 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > I'm a pot head and starting to get real pissed off 'cause I haven't > smoked > in a while-- > Looping is, however, an acceptable substitute. > My dime bag, > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 15:05:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VIxdo19186; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:59:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:59:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014a01c327a6$84f048a0$6464f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200305311734.h4VHYrt06027@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: dead looping? Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 11:57:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Fowler wrote: "by the way, what's the other type of looping? dead looping?" Actually, I came up with that term specifically to help journalists delineate between the kind of sample looping that has been prevalent in modern pop music since the advent of 'break beats' and hip hop. It has been useful merely as a description and a marketing tool to try and get people to our shows. ******************************** Just to go on record, I have always referred to what we do as movement of diverse artists who basically have hardware and software looping capabilities in their live performances and a since of community. I personally advocate that people NOT refer to Live Looping as a style or a genre because that is just not accurate. I will encourage the folks at LIVELOOPING.com to change those semantics in the spirit of accuracy. We are a bunch of loopers who feel that Live Looping describes what we do satisfactorily. We have been having a really good time. We have not been advocation genocide or lampshade making for other loopers who don't feel like being defined by what we are doing. Let's lighten up and get back to looping, shall we? rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 15:31:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VJUQ222589; Sat, 31 May 2003 15:30:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:30:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.214.39.161] X-Originating-Email: [grassbelly@hotmail.com] From: "Reid Maxwell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: judemaxwell@hotmail.com Subject: Repeater Upgrade Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:30:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2003 19:30:19.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[125EA7F0:01C327AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all this is my first post. I am trying to upgrade my repeater to OS 1.1 ... i have the upgrade on the card but when i boot up the repeater with the card in it. Nothing happens. it just act like it always does in OS 1.1 and does not prompt me to do anything regarding the next steps. Could someone please help me out who upgraded their repeater in the past or who has knowledge of how to do this upgrade. thanks, Reid _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 16:03:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VK2GV26348; Sat, 31 May 2003 16:02:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:02:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.a07be46.2c0a643d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:02:05 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater Upgrade Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f0.a07be46.2c0a643d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <2Yw-fC.A.hbG.IpQ2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1f0.a07be46.2c0a643d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/31/03 3:30:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, grassbelly@hotmail.com writes: > Hello hello grassbelly!.....welcome and dont mention dee herb.....:).....everyone is mad, crazy and pissed off here.....be carefull.....yikes!.....:).....michael --part1_1f0.a07be46.2c0a643d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/31/0= 3 3:30:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, grassbelly@hotmail.com writes:


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hello grassbelly!.....welcome and dont mention dee herb.....:).....everyone=20= is mad, crazy and pissed off here.....be carefull.....yikes!.....:).....mich= ael --part1_1f0.a07be46.2c0a643d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 16:39:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VKcn229557; Sat, 31 May 2003 16:38:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:38:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:38:44 -0700 Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/30/03 11:08 PM, ernesto schnack at schnack@mailbolt.com wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2003 22:53:20 -0700, Mark Hamburg > wrote: >> Why did Windham Hill put out Piano Sampler albums and Guitar Sampler >> albums >> (including one with David Torn), etc? > > Actually, that also provides a good example of what Kim fears. While there > is a lot of talent in Windham Hills and similar labels, there is also a lot > of fluff that gets lumped in the same category. A lot of solo acoustic > guitar music gets put in the New Age bin, even though a lot of it doesn't > necessarily fit that style, preventing them from reaching the largest > market possible, in fact pigeon-holing them. This was a great frustration > for Michael Hedges and others. -- ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > > I contemplated acknowledging that issue as I was writing the message. I was, however, trying to make the point that companies marketing to more than just musicians have found it useful to classify music by instrumentation. Keith Jarrett hates being lumped in with George Winston but to a lot of listeners, it's solo piano. (Insert ECM v Windham Hill digression here.) I would have expected that for many musicians, the New Age label might have been annoying because of the level of fluff in the genre (which I'm not sure is really any higher than in many other genres), but that by giving record stores a place to position them, it actually got them into record stores and in front of customers. Where it does become dangerous is if the business side starts saying "You can't do that because it isn't ." A genre can help you get a market, but it can also confine you. Rick Walker, Andre LaFosse, Bill Walker, Jon Wagner, Max Valentino, and Cara Quinn (just to name some people that have performed together in various combinations) are all playing in more or less a similar genre or at least are capable of doing so. Their individual sounds are relatively different. Having a name for that genre is useful in promoting it. There are people who use loopers, who don't sound like them, but from an audience standpoint "live looping" is moderately descriptive of what they do. So, if one wants Rick to stop talking about "live looping" because it excludes other people who use loopers in very different ways, then perhaps it would help if there were some suggestions of other names for this emerging genre. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 18:03:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VM2AC07446; Sat, 31 May 2003 18:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:02:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:02:08 -0700 Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3vrJAC.A.J0B.iZS2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And incidentally, I'm not particularly enamored of the term "live looping". I just haven't heard or come up with a better proposal. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 18:25:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VMOaU10253; Sat, 31 May 2003 18:24:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:24:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <40.2fd7d7ff.2c0a859c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:24:28 EDT Subject: Help! Semi-OT Roland VS-1680 Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h4VMOaB10229 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all! I am hoping someone here can help me with a sticky problem. Last weekend I had a very nice gig in Ashland, Oregon and even had a professional sound crew in to manage the complex PA needs of a 10-piece ensemble that featured a looping guitarist (me), 2 looping and processed trumpet players, a looped and processed vocalist/percussionist, one non-looping acoustic drummer, 2 non-looping bassists (one acoustic and one electric), plus 2 more acoustic hand percussionists and a "beat" poet. My trouble is that the friend I enlisted to record the event (and capture as many discrete tracks as possible) brought and used a Roland VS-1680 to do so. A few days ago they gave me some CD-Rs they burnt of the data the unit captured from the PA mixer. The problem is my Mac can't read the discs. My kid's lowly, old PC can . . . but it has no programs (nor enough ram to run 'em anyway) to see if I can work with any of the files somehow myself. Does anyone know whether the file format of the Roland VS-1680 is a proprietary "Roland only" one or not? My friend, the unit's owner doesn't seem to know. Are the files transferable and compatible with any known computer software? If I manage to find somebody with a PC and a Mac on the same network and then transfer and reburn the data onto some Mac compatible CD-Rs will it even matter? I've, got a number of programs on my Mac that can open audio files in many formats. But if this Roland thingy uses it's own proprietary format I'm screwed. Any other suggestions? I hate to hunt around for somebody who has both Mac and PC and burn some Mac CDs of data files my computer won't even be able to read anyway. Help! Tell me what to do! Of course I could have the VS-1680 owner mix-down and burn some audio CDs from the 1680 itself (that or teach me to do it). But I want to do the real mixing myself on equipment and software that I understand and know how to use already. I trust my own ears on my own equipment . . . and I am not that comfortable trying to do it on a strange piece of hardware that I don't know all that well (and apparently, alas, the owner doesn't know it all that well either). Help! Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 18:42:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VMfSr12012; Sat, 31 May 2003 18:41:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:41:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c327c6$284193a0$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul" To: References: Subject: Was : An Open Apology to Kim Now: New Age Dreck Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:44:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << A lot of solo acoustic guitar music gets put in the New Age bin, even though a lot of it doesn't necessarily fit that style, preventing them from reaching the largest market possible, in fact pigeon-holing them. >> How about a new category? New Age Dreck! I can file my 'Kitaro' cassette tapes there! Or maybe New Age Banal? Where's my Deuter tapes? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 18:52:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VMpgl12991; Sat, 31 May 2003 18:51:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:51:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:51:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Was : An Open Apology to Kim Now: New Age Dreck Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006001c327c6$284193a0$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> Message-Id: <69BD3536-93BA-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com to put all of this in perspective, at Amoeba Records in Berkeley, Laurie Anderson and Britany Spears are in the same catagory: Pop/Rock On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 03:44 PM, Paul wrote: > << A lot of solo acoustic guitar music gets put in the New Age bin, > even > though a lot of it doesn't > necessarily fit that style, preventing them from reaching the largest > market > possible, in fact pigeon-holing them. >> > > How about a new category? New Age Dreck! I can file my 'Kitaro' > cassette > tapes there! Or maybe New Age Banal? Where's my Deuter tapes? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 19:57:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4VNubM19791; Sat, 31 May 2003 19:56:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:56:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531154504.040dd008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:57:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: livelooping.com In-Reply-To: <405042CC-9356-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <20030531103328.79946.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:54 AM 5/31/2003, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >>Kim knows this. We know this. BUT..... >> >>http://www.livelooping.com/ >> >>this seems to say something different. > >To quote the site: > >>Welcome to Live Looping Music! >> Here we will show to public, press and artists: It's been explained to me many times, and stated right up on top there, that this site is mainly for promoting to the public. Is that right? Every time I've heard it explained, it was somehow about promoting to non-loopers/non-musicians to get them listening to looping and not about the musician part of it. >>- what this new music is like > >It is a relatively new style of music... so this is fine. They are going >to give examples of the diversity of live looping. it is a style, it isn't a style. I think that contradiction there was pointed out already.... >>- why its so different to create loops in real time > >Creating loops in realtime is what live looping is all about... what is >the problem here? Isn't the site for the listening public? Why do they care what it is like to create the loops? They might care about what it is like listen to them be created. But this statement appears to be about the musician's experience, not the listeners. So it is again confusing what the purpose of livelooping.com is. Are you directing it to musicians or listeners? >>- how you can learn it > >We/they want to share their tricks and ideas.... again, what is the problem? same problem as above. Is it for listeners or musicians? This seems to contradict the idea that it is for the listening public. >>- where such events took and will take place > >Great. A gig list... again - is this bad? no, it's great if people use it. There's a gig calendar on Looper's Delight, which thousands of people visit each month to look for upcoming events only to discover almost no gigs listed there. (There is only gig listed on there now.) It will take you guys years to get that much traffic on your site. You have a widely viewed place to put gigs on LD and you don't even use it! It's sort of comical really, how often people post gigs to this list where only a few hundred people see it instead of putting it on the LD website where thousands see it. You guys scratch your heads over how to promote yourselves, and you don't even use the resources right in front of you! >>If you think you may be interested, please come back here in a month or two >>or go to Loopers-Delight.com , the meeting point of such musicians. > >A reference to loopers delight. Live looping wants to live in harmony with >LD. Is there anything bad in this? no, except the statements directed at musicians like "how you can learn it" seem to contradict that. I don't really care actually; some people seem to think I'm worried about competition for LD but I'm not. Mainly because I don't run LD to gain directly from it, it's there to benefit looping as a whole and is really more of a burden for me. But also, even if you guys really did want to make a site that directly competed with Looper's Delight I just don't think it would matter. LD is so widely known and so huge and so popular that it is really impossible for a new web site to make any dent in that momentum. Hundreds of thousands of people would be showing up at Looper's Delight each month anyway. In fact, it seems kind of insane to me to make a new site and spend years of work developing traffic patterns for it rather than just putting the same stuff on LD where the traffic is already there. I dunno, I guess you guys have a lot of time on your hands or something. >>Geoff Smith's LiveLooping Research Paper > >I really cannot see what is wrong with this? Maybe someone can enlighten me. Well, the main thesis of Geoff's paper is that "Live Looping" is a genre. It is a genre, it isn't a genre, more confusion.... Part of the point here is to get you guys to think about what you are doing and get a clear foundation under it. It seems really fuzzy right now. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 20:16:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h510FCe22589; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:15:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:15:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531171434.02a66540@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:16:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: livelooping.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531154504.040dd008@loopers-delight.com> References: <405042CC-9356-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <20030531103328.79946.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:57 PM 5/31/2003, Kim Flint wrote: > (There is only gig listed on there now.) that should have said "There is only 1 gig listed on there now". http://www.loopers-delight.com/gigs/performances.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 20:26:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h510QEv23909; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:26:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:26:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:26:06 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Help! Semi-OT Roland VS-1680 Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3ED6A51E.2030305@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 References: <40.2fd7d7ff.2c0a859c@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The file format for the vs1680 is roland-proprietary and is not readable by any software or any other device (except the vs series). You can save the files on a pc but you can't edit them or do anything else with them. The only options are to mix down to an audio cd on the vs1680, or to transfer the tracks one-by-one to a computer, then do the mixing in software. If your friend wants some help in learning to use the vs1680, he should go here: http://www.vsplanet.com/ ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >Hello all! > >I am hoping someone here can help me with a sticky problem. > >Last weekend I had a very nice gig in Ashland, Oregon and even >had a professional sound crew in to manage the complex PA needs >of a 10-piece ensemble that featured a looping guitarist (me), 2 >looping and processed trumpet players, a looped and processed >vocalist/percussionist, one non-looping acoustic drummer, 2 >non-looping bassists (one acoustic and one electric), plus 2 >more acoustic hand percussionists and a "beat" poet. > >My trouble is that the friend I enlisted to record the event (and >capture as many discrete tracks as possible) brought and used >a Roland VS-1680 to do so. A few days ago they gave me some >CD-Rs they burnt of the data the unit captured from the PA mixer. >The problem is my Mac can't read the discs. My kid's lowly, old PC >can . . . but it has no programs (nor enough ram to run 'em anyway) >to see if I can work with any of the files somehow myself. > >Does anyone know whether the file format of the Roland VS-1680 >is a proprietary "Roland only" one or not? My friend, the unit's owner >doesn't seem to know. Are the files transferable and compatible >with any known computer software? If I manage to find somebody >with a PC and a Mac on the same network and then transfer and >reburn the data onto some Mac compatible CD-Rs will it even matter? > >I've, got a number of programs on my Mac that can open audio >files in many formats. But if this Roland thingy uses it's own >proprietary format I'm screwed. Any other suggestions? I hate >to hunt around for somebody who has both Mac and PC and burn >some Mac CDs of data files my computer won't even be able to >read anyway. Help! Tell me what to do! > >Of course I could have the VS-1680 owner mix-down and burn >some audio CDs from the 1680 itself (that or teach me to do it). >But I want to do the real mixing myself on equipment and >software that I understand and know how to use already. >I trust my own ears on my own equipment . . . and I am not that >comfortable trying to do it on a strange piece of hardware >that I don't know all that well (and apparently, alas, the owner >doesn't know it all that well either). Help! > >Best, > >tEd ® kiLLiAn > >http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 20:28:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h510Rtj24094; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:27:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:27:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:27:40 -0700 Subject: Please join my N.E.W music genera! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531154504.040dd008@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <7iAP9D.A.O4F.BiU2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everybody! I figured it out! We can call our new genera: N.E.W. music (Neo Eclectic Wanking). I think it's a perfect name! Why? It's an acronym! How fun is that? Neo: It's a classic! Those Greeks! We're still using their scales, linguistics and all night approach to being able to find somewhere to eat. Don't forget the fact that it's trendy to use. With the blockbuster movie Matrix out why not use some of Warner Bros' momentum? Add all that to the fact that it means new and what we're all trying to do is relatively new in historic terms. Eclectic: As I think we've all just pointed out, our musical tastes, influences and styles are all over the map. Rick, my friend, how can you put what you do in the same category as what Brian Kenny Fresno does? ... yet it's all live looping! It's all good to, IMO. Actually, I hate what some of you do, but I'd fight for your right to do it. Looping isn't a genera. Fin. Wanking: We're a bunch of wankers! If not guitar, some other instrument or device. If not that, we can intellectually wank, which is what we're doing now! Wanking is a good term because it A) has sexual conatations B) describes the often solitary nature of what we do [ew, Rick dose it with his brother!] C) eludes to the fact that WE DO IT UNTIL WE'RE FINISHED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT ANYONE ELSE WANTS US TO! Weeeeeeeee! So what do you all think? Kim? Can we change the LD site to the N.E.W site? I'm sure there won't be any less talk about looping (or more either). That way we won't feel too bad when we spend days talking about drugs or the latest tube emulators. If not I'm going to put up my own site and take away all your business. Don't cross me! I'M ON THE EDGE! do what now? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 20:37:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h510bNn25134; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:37:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:37:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030601003714.15060.qmail@web21511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Please join my N.E.W music genera! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what band recently released and album called L.O.O.P (Life On Other Planets) - I thought that was clever. --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey everybody! I figured it out! We can call our > new genera: N.E.W. > music (Neo Eclectic Wanking). I think it's a > perfect name! > > Why? > > It's an acronym! How fun is that? > > Neo: > > It's a classic! Those Greeks! We're still using > their scales, > linguistics and all night approach to being able to > find somewhere to > eat. Don't forget the fact that it's trendy to use. > With the > blockbuster movie Matrix out why not use some of > Warner Bros' momentum? > Add all that to the fact that it means new and > what we're all trying > to do is relatively new in historic terms. > > Eclectic: > > As I think we've all just pointed out, our musical > tastes, influences > and styles are all over the map. Rick, my friend, > how can you put what > you do in the same category as what Brian Kenny > Fresno does? ... yet > it's all live looping! It's all good to, IMO. > Actually, I hate what > some of you do, but I'd fight for your right to do > it. Looping isn't a > genera. Fin. > > Wanking: > > We're a bunch of wankers! If not guitar, some other > instrument or > device. If not that, we can intellectually wank, > which is what we're > doing now! Wanking is a good term because it A) has > sexual conatations > B) describes the often solitary nature of what we do > [ew, Rick dose it > with his brother!] C) eludes to the fact that WE DO > IT UNTIL WE'RE > FINISHED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT ANYONE ELSE > WANTS US TO! > Weeeeeeeee! > > So what do you all think? Kim? Can we change the > LD site to the N.E.W > site? I'm sure there won't be any less talk about > looping (or more > either). That way we won't feel too bad when we > spend days talking > about drugs or the latest tube emulators. If not > I'm going to put up > my own site and take away all your business. Don't > cross me! I'M ON > THE EDGE! > > do what now? > > Mark Sottilaro > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 20:39:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h510cYX25511; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:38:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:38:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:38:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Was : An Open Apology to Kim Now: New Age Dreck From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <69BD3536-93BA-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought they were the same person in a Jekyl & Hyde sort of thing. ;-) Mark on 5/31/03 3:51 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > to put all of this in perspective, at Amoeba Records in Berkeley, > Laurie Anderson and Britany Spears are in the same catagory: Pop/Rock From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 20:40:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h510YXb24736; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:34:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:34:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <145790-2200360103624510@M2W047.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 63.186.8.218 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "altruist@earthlink.net" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Dig if U will our live looping flame war Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:36:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2003 00:36:46.0954 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1FDF4A0:01C327D5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h510YNB24691 Resent-Message-ID: <2tGIX.A.GCG.PoU2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good grief, what a week. For all the talk about labels, genres, styles, and philosophies over the last several days, I'd like to suggest a slightly different way of looking at this. In my mind, it boils down to two questions: 1) What, exactly, are you trying to define or promote? 2) How are you trying to promote it, and to whom is the promotion directed? It seems to me that the main reason for all the disagreement right now is because so many people have different objectives, all of which are trying to fall under the banner of "live looping." Everyone I'm commenting on here is someone I'm fortunate enough to consider a good personal and professional acquaintance, so I'm not trying to pick sides here. Rick Walker obviously has a love for looping in and of itself, in an all-inclusive sense, in every conceivable permutation - why else would he stage 20-odd "looping festivals?" He wants to promote that technology, and the community he feels a part of as a result of this technology, to the world. I assume this is what he refers to when he talks about "the cause of looping." Matthias Grob, on the other hand, seems to have a very specific collection of aesthetic and philosophical guidelines for what he defines as "live looping." In his words (as I understand them, anyway) there are certain ways this music begins and develops, and certain mental/philosophical states that are induced in both the player and the listener. So much so, in fact, that he feels my own music represents a different path from the "live looping genre," because it deviates so strongly from his own definitions for that style. Kim Flint sees looping in and of itself as a technology that exists independently of a built-in aesthetic. He thinks it's confusing to promote "looping" in and of itself to the listening public, because at best they won't understand what's being presented to them (due to the vast array of styles involved), and at worst they'll develop biased assumptions about what it can or cannot be (due to only hearing one example, and assuming that IT is what "looping" is.) So, for one person it's an all-encompassing source of fascination and community; for another it's a very specific set of aesthetics and philosophical manifestations; and for yet another it's a set of craftsman's tools, important to the creator but not the listening public. No wonder people can't agree on this. What do I think? I like Rick a lot, and have enjoyed playing with him on several occasions. As I've told him before, if it wasn't for his encouraging looping festivals, I wouldn't have gone back to the EDP two years ago, and none of what I've been doing since then would have happened. He's worked his ass off to book gigs he's been kind enough to invite me to play at, which have made me some money, some new listeners, and some good connections. On those counts, the looping festival concept has been pretty good for me. At the same time, I don't share his all-encompassing love for looping itself, and I don't perceive the same communal connection between all loopers that he does. Some of the stylistic differences at gigs with him have been a bit disconcerting to me: I had a mild panic attack when Steve Lawson's poppy, major-key "Inner Game" followed Rick's set (which included an improv using nothing but clitoral vibrators in drinking glasses) during our Hollywood gig back in January. This doesn't mean that he's wrong at all; it means I have a different point of view than he does. Rick's a self-described hippy and communalist, who lives in a small and intimate community in the Bay Area, who loves looping in all its forms. I'm a loner by nature, who lives in Los Angeles, and most of what I do with the Echoplex is defined by an intense dissatisfaction with the way most people use loopers. He loves highlighting duo and trio improvs and putting together bills with lots and lots of different performers, whereas I want and need to have a reasonable amount of time to do a full set as a solo performer, since this is where nearly all of my time and interest has been, and will be, focused for many years. For these reasons, it wouldn't surprise me if our respective paths are somewhat incompatible, particularly as time goes on. But since we have such different objectives in the first place, I don't see this as any reflection on either one of us, nor on the mutual respect he and I have. I see it simply as the two of us doing what we each need to do in order to acheive our own substantially different goals. I very much enjoyed the brief time I spent with Matthias, and he and I connect very well on a basic guitaristic level. Aesthetically, we're at pretty opposite ends of the spectrum loop-wise, and when he and I played together, the most successful music we made didn't involve any looping at all. I do have a hard time understanding a lot of his philosophical points of view, but I also have a deep respect for where they're coming from and the obvious knowledge and experience with which they've been made. Not to mention the countless hours he's spent building the software and hardware to allow me to play my music in the first place! I can't help but wonder how Matthias' specific aesthetic guidelines for "the live looping style" will mesh with Rick's all-inclusive communalism, but I'm certainly glad to see two such fantastic musicians and thinkers pooling their efforts. If they can reconcile these two different attitudes amongst themselves, perhaps that will help clarify the whole "live looping music" issue for the rest of us. Kim and I seem to be on the same page in terms of how he and I look at looping: it's a means to an end, but not the end itself. It's the starting point, not the destination. Mark Hamburg made the observation that several of "us" do, or can, play the same genre of music, and that a term for this common style would be helpful. My response is that, while several list members have found some common ground in ensemble configurations, this is not necessarily the same territory they would venture into on their own. For instance, the trio tour with Rick and Steve was a lot of fun, largely because it pushed all of us into territory we didn't normally go into. The flip side, though, is that we only had small amounts of time to do "our own things." What I do is a melange of hip-hop, glitch-core, IDM, turntablism, and drum & bass. That's very different from what Bill Walker or Steve Lawson or Jon Wagner do, and each of those guys do substantially different things from one another as well. So if Mark feels that we're all generally operating in the same stylistic territory at these shows, that says to me that our commonalities are being highlighted at the expense of giving our individual voices the room to really shine. That's not so surprising, because if you're putting lots of far-flung musicians together on one bill, it makes sense to "connect the dots," so to speak. I'm grateful for the chance to play at shows like these, but I also recognize that, in my mind, such shows are a means to an end, and not the end itself, because my goal is not to be a professional free-improv looping festival participant. The end, for me, is getting my own voice as a solo player heard. I don't realistically expect that to happen when I'm sharing performance time with half a dozen other players on one bill, and certainly not if I'm stylistically removed from many of them. So, to answer my own question: what am I trying to promote? My own music as a solo player. How am I trying to promote it? By presenting it to audiences who might have an interest in it. That includes people who are into looping, but it also includes fans of dance music, hip-hop, IDM, "guitar" fans, and the complete strangers who have responded very favorably to what I've done, who happened to be at solo gigs at rock clubs and coffee shops which weren't billed as "looping shows" at all. I certainly hope people can find ways to co-exist here, without feeling the need to splinter themselves off into divisive factions. I do have to wonder, though: if a mailing list of a few hundred dedicated looping enthusiasts can't find a way to agree on what "loop music" is, then is it really a good idea to try and promote that concept (whatever it is) to the world at large? Anyway... --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 20:46:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h510kLX26608; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:46:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531170139.02a3c6d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:48:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530015613.02ba9ff8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:08 AM 5/31/2003, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >Live looping is a personal journey for each musician, and with live >looping comes different styles. I consider myself a live looper - Do I >sound like Rick? Does Rick sound like me? Absolutely not. I can give you >many many examples just from my students alone. > >Live looping is *NOT* a style of music, it is way to create music... Great! I'm glad I finally convinced you. >I'm reading your responses Kim, and it seems to me as though there is a >lot of tension that could actually force what you fear - a split and loss >of identity in the looping community. Tension? I've been on vacation for 4 weeks and I'm pretty relaxed at this point. For me these discussions are really enjoyable and stimulating, not tense. I find it sad that ideas can't be discussed and debated without some people taking it personally and getting emotional about it. I guess we could just make safe posts about line mixers. >I am a live looper. I am also a looper. Whats the problem? Cant we live in >harmony? So far as I can remember and have experienced, "Looper" has always meant the same thing as what you guys are now calling "Live Looper". It's certainly always meant that here at Looper's Delight. It's used that way in musician magazines. I can see how it might be useful when discussing with an ordinary journalist to add the "Live" part, but the term "Looping" always meant the same thing in the musician world. That's another reason this effort to create some sort of separation between them seems really strange and forced to me. I'm the one who's arguing against all these arbitrary separations, remember? >I'm getting up to the stage where if things don't relax a little onlist, >I'll be unsubbing and will purely reside on livelooping.com. Is that what >you want? I'm confused. That would be sad. But this statement again leaves me really confused about what this livelooping.com site is all about. Isn't it supposed to be for promoting to the public? In harmony and complimentary to Looper's Delight? One for musicians and one for press/public? Doesn't that mean the musician oriented posts you usually make here would not be appropriate there? So what would you be talking about when you are there? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 20:56:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h510uDD27523; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:56:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:56:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:56:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Dig if U will our live looping flame war From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <145790-2200360103624510@M2W047.mail2web.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/31/03 5:36 PM, altruist@earthlink.net at altruist@earthlink.net wrote: > So if Mark feels that we're all > generally operating in the same stylistic territory at these shows, that > says to me that our commonalities are being highlighted at the > expense of giving our individual voices the room to really shine. Or perhaps it's the stark contrast with Richard Zvonar's work. ;-) But really, you've all shown that with minor tamings of your more extreme impulses, you can successfully perform as an ensemble. You may feel that you've been severely repressing yourself to make it work. Your solo sets haven't really suggested that. If anyone seems repressed in the ensemble situations, it's probably Rick who seems forced to step back from the "gee, doesn't this sound neat" element of some of his solo performances. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 20:59:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h510xA729228; Sat, 31 May 2003 20:59:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:59:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:57:40 -0700 Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531170139.02a3c6d0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 5/31/03 5:48 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Tension? I've been on vacation for 4 weeks and I'm pretty relaxed at this > point. For me these discussions are really enjoyable and stimulating, not > tense. I find it sad that ideas can't be discussed and debated without some > people taking it personally and getting emotional about it. > > I guess we could just make safe posts about line mixers. Those line mixer discussions always bring a tear to my eye. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 21:04:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5113iK29761; Sat, 31 May 2003 21:03:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:03:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531172937.04702c80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:40:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530015613.02ba9ff8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:53 PM 5/30/2003, Mark Hamburg wrote: >on 5/30/03 6:12 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Non-musicians don't care very much what instruments are used or > > how they are played, they care about the musical result they hear and > > whether they like that or not. > >Why did Windham Hill put out Piano Sampler albums and Guitar Sampler albums Did they sell many? I usually see cds like that in the bargain bin at the store. People don't buy them then either. Why did they put them out? You got me. I have no idea. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 21:16:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h511GJq31266; Sat, 31 May 2003 21:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:16:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:16:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Dig if U will our live looping flame war Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <145790-2200360103624510@M2W047.mail2web.com> Message-Id: <9EB363C6-93CE-11D7-9C46-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wooo! Yeah! Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 05:36 PM, altruist@earthlink.net wrote: > Good grief, what a week. > > For all the talk about labels, genres, styles, and philosophies over > the > last several days, I'd like to suggest a slightly different way of > looking > at > this. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 22:23:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h512Hju04576; Sat, 31 May 2003 22:17:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:17:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030601021739.66330.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:17:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Was : An Open Apology to Kim Now: New Age Dreck To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8SXEqB.A.XHB.JJW2-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, she did have that tune a couple of years ago, 'Loops, I Did It Again'. That was the title, right? 8^P -t- --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > I thought they were the same person in a Jekyl & > Hyde sort of thing. ;-) > > on 5/31/03 3:51 PM, Mark Sottilaro at > sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > ...Laurie Anderson and Britany Spears are in the >same catagory: Pop/Rock > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 22:26:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h512Q4M05471; Sat, 31 May 2003 22:26:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:26:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030601022558.35305.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: An Open Apology to Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531172937.04702c80@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 10:53 PM 5/30/2003, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >Why did Windham Hill put out Piano Sampler albums > and Guitar Sampler albums Often such discs are sold for a lower price as "loss leaders" so buyers can get a taste of the artists on the label and then go buy THEIR albums (at full price). The samplers usually aren't all that listenable due to the discontinuity of, erm, "style", and often end up in used bins, but they do seem to work in generating sales for the labels... (BTW, NorthSide's $5 sampler discs are great!) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:12:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5139is10016; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:09:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:09:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.214.39.161] X-Originating-Email: [grassbelly@hotmail.com] From: "Reid Maxwell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater os 1.1 update HELP????????????????? Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:09:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2003 03:09:38.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C90B460:01C327EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello,   I am trying to upgrade my repeater to OS 1.1 ...  i have the upgrade on CFC card but when i boot up the repeater with the card in it.  Nothing happens.  it just act like it always does in OS 1.0 and does not prompt me to do anything regarding the next steps.  Could someone please help me out who has succesfully upgraded their repeater in the past or who has knowledge of how to do this upgrade. thanks, Reid _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:50:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h513lhc12729; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:47:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:47:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:47:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Sweden tour Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I came to Sweden to promote our technique of playing. The first heavy cut into the plan (in terms of music, energy and turbulence) was the return of Rick, which was no ones fault, so be it... Its strange and unconvenient for me to spend most of the time at the computer reading and writing answers to defend what I am doing. Not only I could concentrate on doing my job better here and sleeping more, but I entered the Stockholm Electronica Festival in a really down mood, thinking of Kims heavy words instead of smiling to people and playing upwards. Fortunately we managed to turn the mood arround and it ended well. (it may end up an important stage in this promotion, not only for Sweden, we will report about that later) Now I am back doing this homework and I hope you appreciate and dont get bored with the following sequence of mails I feel urged to type, trying to be as understanding and clear as possible. Actually this our effort and exercise to work on a common aim and method may be just as important as the aim and method itself, its just very sad that it has to happen by email. I would love to sit in a circle and look at each other, all at the same time concentrated in the discussion until the agreement is found. But the alternative to do the same exercise by growing carrots in some comunity of hippies on the countryside did not attract me more so far :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:51:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h513mpX12822; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:48:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looping as a category Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >To say "I'm a looper" means nothing to the average listener, not yet :-) >and should mean very little to the rest of us. well, it means that he belongs to us, no? :-) >the average listener could care less. They want to hear good (for >lack of a better term) music. is that your experience from concerts? They never want to know how you do it? >Robert Fripp (for example) does not call what he does loop music. no, but Frippertronics! >And to answer Stuart Wyatt, I consider myself a live looper to the extent >that I don't use backing tracks for the looping material I perform. But I >don't call it looping. My compositions have names, and I use those. thats great! It may be hard to avoid though that some will call music that comes from a live looper "Live Loopers music" or so. How do you handle that with the press? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:52:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h513nTr12881; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:49:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:49:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <782EF7E0-9374-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <782EF7E0-9374-11D7-A729-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:49:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 04:02 pm, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: > >>by the way, what's the other type of looping? dead looping? > >:) > >There are many people who are loopers who loop using pre-recorded >loops (i.e. by using Live), or play live loops but with a lot of >pre-recorded pre-sequenced music. They all fall under the general >term of 'loopers', but maybe not necessarily live loopers. yes, since I am of the one kind, I dont find it apropriate to care how the others want to call themselves. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:52:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h513nag12912; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:49:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:49:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030531113403.27203.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030531113403.27203.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:49:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Who here considers themselves a "Live Looper"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Just out of interest: Who on this list considers >> themselves a "Live >> Looper"? > >If looping "live" in my living room counts, then I'm >a Live-Looper. yes, sure! This seems like a weakness of the name: it may suggest that this music has to happen on stage. >I'm also a guitar player. And yet, >you still don't know what style of music I play >(or if I have any style at all). :) style-less may be a style :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:52:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h513nmd12949; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:49:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:49:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:49:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Why I said Andrees music may deserve its own name Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim was kicking me about this question: >>Similarly, not everyone that uses a looping tool plays Live Looping music. >>It can aid any category of music. Or maybe some new category can >>arise from the use of looping tools for which we may still find >>names... (I believe Andre is on such a track) > >ah I was expecting that one... the lines start getting drawn. > >Well Andre, sorry Bub. We don't allow your kind in here no more. >This here is a loopers only club. Why don't you take yerself back on >over across the tracks to Glitchers Delight or wherever it is you >people go. Don't make no trouble, now. ...and now Andre said: >Matthias Grob, on the other hand, seems to have a very specific >collection of aesthetic and philosophical guidelines for what he defines >as "live looping." In his words (as I understand them, anyway) there >are certain ways this music begins and develops, and certain >mental/philosophical states that are induced in both the player and the >listener. So much so, in fact, that he feels my own music represents a >different path from the "live looping genre," because it deviates so >strongly from his own definitions for that style. I was not answering this question yet because I expected Andre to be taken by other sorrows and wanted him to be present for this. Now I am happy that you are back and hope that things are going as smooth as possible for you, we have been with you... First of all: If you want to call yourself a Live Looper or your music Live Looping music, Andre, I fully welcome you, it would mean that the label would gain a magnificat musican. But in the past you repeatly explained that you would not feel well with that and I managed to understand it, giving value to your new development which goes clearly beyond what most of us do and understand as looping. Traditional looping means that a played phrase is repeated more or less as it has been played. Sliced looping (give me a better name, as you please) means that portions of phrases or notes are repeated in a sequence different from what they have been played. If I remember right, Kim started this technique when he had fun with sequences of short Inserts and quick Next functions and posted this idea to the list. Since he does not record or perform, it was Andre (probably inspired by those hints) who worked out the first works of this kind and as a consequence inspired me to improve those functions so that the EDP gained a level of functionality that was not intended to it and may turn it into the first tool of a technique other than what came from the Time Lag Generator, rather comparable with the tape slicing of the conrete music, if there is any precedent technique in the past (please correct me here!) Sine others have started experimenting with such techniques and developped them further, I suspect that it may end up in a movement... So considering this, you may understand in its totally positve and not at all exclusive way what I said: "Or maybe some new category can arise from the use of looping tools for which we may still find names... (I believe Andre is on such a track)" In other words: For Gods sake stop this stupid exclusion paranoya, I am not at all like that and I dont see why I would have the slightest interest in that! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:54:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h513pSu13387; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:51:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:51:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <145790-2200360103624510@M2W047.mail2web.com> References: <145790-2200360103624510@M2W047.mail2web.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:51:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Dig if U will our live looping flame war Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias Grob, on the other hand, seems to have a very specific >collection of aesthetic and philosophical guidelines for what he defines >as "live looping." In his words (as I understand them, anyway) there >are certain ways this music begins and develops, and certain >mental/philosophical states that are induced in both the player and the >listener. I was going to answer exactly this: >I can't help but wonder how Matthias' specific aesthetic guidelines for >"the live looping style" will mesh with Rick's all-inclusive >communalism, but I'm certainly glad to see two such fantastic >musicians and thinkers pooling their efforts. If they can reconcile these >two different attitudes amongst themselves, perhaps that will help >clarify the whole "live looping music" issue for the rest of us. So you made me think that the fact that a group of 10 rather different members has to agree on the presentation (I dont think there will be a definition) makes sure that not a singles ideals will dominate. A bigger group may make it even more acurate, but the process grows in complexity, so it may become unrealistic. It turns hopeless as soon as members are included that dont believe in or are against the process. Nevertheless it would be extremely helpfull for me, if you could list up my guidelines here, because I am not sure how people see me and my efforts to characterize our way to create music and helping to it... I hope I have been rather suggesting than imposing... >vast array of styles involved), and at worst they'll develop biased >assumptions about what it can or cannot be (due to only hearing one >example, and assuming that IT is what "looping" is.) I know you are not speaking of your opinion here, but let me profit to say: no "kind" of anything can be understood by one example. as soon as you have two examples, what is in common *might* be the kind. If our public does not know this, we cannot do anything about it, but I dont think people are that dumb... >Kim and I seem to be on the same page in terms of how he and I look >at looping: it's a means to an end, but not the end itself. It's the >starting point, not the destination. I dont know what you mean by looping being the destination. We all make music, and for me not even the music is the destination but what it does to people... or not even that... hard to say... >says to me that our commonalities are being highlighted at the >expense of giving our individual voices the room to really shine. This is the case for any common effort. Your point of view is the one of a soloist or whatever you just called yourself. There is nothing wrong with it, a monk may be as efficient as a polititian :-)... but for me, doing it together and learing to give in somewhere and insist somewhere else is fundamental... and actually the way I learned music, since I only had a teacher for a year when I was seven... >The end, for me, is getting my own voice as a solo player heard. I bet you soon will discover that this is not the end for you, at latest when you reach there. I dont think there is an end... just purposes on different levels, appearing depending on mood and situation... >So, to answer my own question: what am I trying to promote? My own >music as a solo player. How am I trying to promote it? By presenting it >to audiences who might have an interest in it. That includes people >who are into looping, but it also includes fans of dance music, hip-hop, >IDM, "guitar" fans, and the complete strangers who have responded >very favorably to what I've done, who happened to be at solo gigs at >rock clubs and coffee shops which weren't billed as "looping shows" at >all. So its not that anyone excludes you, but you want to go your own way. Thats fine, I wish you luck and I really belive you can make it! >if a mailing list of a few hundred dedicated looping >enthusiasts can't find a way to agree on what "loop music" is, then is it >really a good idea to try and promote that concept (whatever it is) to the >world at large? good point! I hope the rest of the world will not be that sensible and emotionally involved in the question and thus be happy to simply get an idea about it and from there on follow what we do and select the CDs and shows the will want to assist... :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:54:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h513paj13484; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:51:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:51:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531172937.04702c80@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030530015613.02ba9ff8@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030531172937.04702c80@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:51:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: why samplers are cheap Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 10:53 PM 5/30/2003, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>on 5/30/03 6:12 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> >>> Non-musicians don't care very much what instruments are used or >>> how they are played, they care about the musical result they hear and >>> whether they like that or not. >> >>Why did Windham Hill put out Piano Sampler albums and Guitar Sampler albums > >Did they sell many? I usually see cds like that in the bargain bin >at the store. People don't buy them then either. Why did they put >them out? You got me. I have no idea. I think the marketing idea is to keep them cheap so the public ends up buing the CDs of the tracks they like... its like a payed demo :-) Usually the artists dont charge for the inclusion because its only one song and they are interested in appearing somewhere in a context... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:58:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h513uDG14267; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:56:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:56:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030531154504.040dd008@loopers-delight.com> References: <20030531103328.79946.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030531154504.040dd008@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:56:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: livelooping.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 03:54 AM 5/31/2003, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >>>Kim knows this. We know this. BUT..... >>> >>>http://www.livelooping.com/ >>> >>>this seems to say something different. >> >>To quote the site: ok, I wrote this page, so: >> >>>Welcome to Live Looping Music! >>> Here we will show to public, press and artists: > >It's been explained to me many times, and stated right up on top >there, that this site is mainly for promoting to the public. Is that >right? Every time I've heard it explained, it was somehow about >promoting to non-loopers/non-musicians to get them listening to >looping and not about the musician part of it. artists are not necessarily musicians, but I can easily eliminate the word if that resolves a problem. > >>>- what this new music is like >> >>It is a relatively new style of music... so this is fine. They are >>going to give examples of the diversity of live looping. > >it is a style, it isn't a style. I think that contradiction there >was pointed out already.... Its not a style (typo of the pot head :-), but its new music (or not even? se other mail) >>>- why its so different to create loops in real time >> >>Creating loops in realtime is what live looping is all about... >>what is the problem here? > >Isn't the site for the listening public? Why do they care what it is >like to create the loops? they definitally do, you dont have the experience in relating to them. In fact they always wonder how music is made, it seems a miracle to many, you can also observe that in music mags interviews and such. >They might care about what it is like listen to them be created. But >this statement appears to be about the musician's experience, not >the listeners. So it is again confusing what the purpose of >livelooping.com is. Are you directing it to musicians or listeners? Listeners. But there may appear some musicians. Do you think they will end up not coming to LD if we give them some info here? Rather the opposite, no? >>>- how you can learn it >> >>We/they want to share their tricks and ideas.... again, what is the problem? > >same problem as above. Is it for listeners or musicians? This seems >to contradict the idea that it is for the listening public. here I mainly saw some encouraging paragraph in the sense that its easier to create "listenable" music when using loops, ie someone that has little instrument skills can dive a profound experience with music - and then the link to LD for details about equipment and technique and such. >>>- where such events took and will take place >> >>Great. A gig list... again - is this bad? > >no, it's great if people use it. There's a gig calendar on Looper's >Delight, which thousands of people visit each month to look for >upcoming events only to discover almost no gigs listed there. (There >is only gig listed on there now.) It will take you guys years to get >that much traffic on your site. You have a widely viewed place to >put gigs on LD and you don't even use it! well, maybe it is not used because its not quite ideal in some sense. Something to be investigated, but I see no harm in trying it here. >It's sort of comical really, how often people post gigs to this list >where only a few hundred people see it instead of putting it on the >LD website where thousands see it. You guys scratch your heads over >how to promote yourselves, and you don't even use the resources >right in front of you! agreed. post your gigs comrades! Now, actually the main intention here was not a dry gig list but a extended documentation about the festivals of the past and the future (a page for each or so, with pictures and sound), mainly to impress the press and others about the power of the movement. >>>If you think you may be interested, please come back here in a month or two >>>or go to Loopers-Delight.com , the meeting point of such musicians. >> >>A reference to loopers delight. Live looping wants to live in >>harmony with LD. Is there anything bad in this? > >no, except the statements directed at musicians like "how you can >learn it" seem to contradict that. > >I don't really care actually; some people seem to think I'm worried >about competition for LD but I'm not. Mainly because I don't run LD >to gain directly from it, it's there to benefit looping as a whole >and is really more of a burden for me. But also, even if you guys >really did want to make a site that directly competed with Looper's >Delight I just don't think it would matter. LD is so widely known >and so huge and so popular that it is really impossible for a new >web site to make any dent in that momentum. Hundreds of thousands of >people would be showing up at Looper's Delight each month anyway. and LiveLooping will bring more... >In fact, it seems kind of insane to me to make a new site and spend >years of work developing traffic patterns for it rather than just >putting the same stuff on LD where the traffic is already there. Actually, we imagined you would put a link from LD to LL, once you see what it is and understand its benefit. And Kevin had promissed to make a good visible link on Gibson.com. >I dunno, I guess you guys have a lot of time on your hands or something. no, thats why its going slow :-) But the time to create it for LD or on a separate site is about the same. So I wonder why you say that? >>>Geoff Smith's LiveLooping Research Paper >> >>I really cannot see what is wrong with this? Maybe someone can enlighten me. > >Well, the main thesis of Geoff's paper is that "Live Looping" is a genre. > >It is a genre, it isn't a genre, more confusion.... > >Part of the point here is to get you guys to think about what you >are doing and get a clear foundation under it. It seems really fuzzy >right now. > Thats because its not done. You say you dont mind, but anyone can feel that you are not supporting but holding back the idea. Sometimes you say that you say all that just to alert us to do it better, but... I dont feel that... I just can repeat what Stuart mentioned: if you are going to pick on every word we are going to put on that site, we either cannot do it or will have to stop comunicating about it on LD. Both solutions dont seem to be in the interest of anyone. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:59:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h513uan14362; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:56:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:56:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006001c327c6$284193a0$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> References: <006001c327c6$284193a0$4ce4e20c@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:56:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: New Age Dreck Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ><< A lot of solo acoustic guitar music gets put in the New Age bin, even >though a lot of it doesn't >necessarily fit that style, preventing them from reaching the largest market >possible, in fact pigeon-holing them. >> > >How about a new category? New Age Dreck! I can file my 'Kitaro' cassette >tapes there! Or maybe New Age Banal? Where's my Deuter tapes? I assumed that category in '85 and burnt myself soon afterwards... you know, people like Deuter at least have some perspective of what New Age was about when it was created and bring some real content (although I would not buy his records). The worst stuff you probably dont even know: its from musicians that only understood that New Age is a bin where they can sell their synth stuff although they cannot really play. :-( -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 23:59:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h513uUL14316; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:56:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:56:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030531103328.79946.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030531103328.79946.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:56:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: a new music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We should definitally forget about Live Looping beeing a style" because we all agree that many styles can be interpreted with looping. Whether it will turn into a genre only time will tell. World Music is a genre that is packed with all kinds of styles, so theoretically it is possible. To call Live Looping a "kind of music" or a "label" does not mean much, but is handy. Just try to talk to someone about what we do and you see what I mean. I have been talking and playing a lot these days in Sweden, including two bigger TV interviews and unless you do a Fripp wash for a Fripp fan, no one doubts that this is new music, independent of the style its based on. And new music deserves a new label. Of course you are free to invent your own personal one, but I dont see how this could be of benefit for the comunity (unless you do something ugly :-) Ok, Reily did it long ago and such, but since most people dont seem to know about it or not associate the name looping to it: are there any objections if I speak of Live Looping as a new kind of music? Well, ok, its a new *way* to create music, but ordinary people dont make so much of a difference, or do you expect that if an interviewer asks me "what is new about your music" to answer "my music is old, only the way to play it is new"? do you leave me some space for marketing? :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org