From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 00:06:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30653; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:00:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:00:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E1275E8.4650FE2F@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 00:00:24 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Happy New Year! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wishing all a Happy and Peaceful New Year! Scott -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 07:07:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10894; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 07:06:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 07:06:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c2b18e$0f675da0$6633fe91@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <11c.1c9c57fd.2b430460@aol.com> Subject: re: glissentar Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 13:01:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2B195.E3DF4960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2B195.E3DF4960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable some more fretless *guitar*ists to listen to: - Turkish artist Erkan Og=FCr ( plays fretless nylon acoustic and steel = string electric, sometimes w/ e-bow ) - the one guy from French band *Philharmonie* ( forgot his name, the = band plays kind of instrumental/orchestral rock/metal ) some great "cross culture" oud players: =20 - Anouar Brahem - Rabih Abou Khalil of Lebannon=20 - Roman Bunka of Germany and even though this is heading into another area of sound/music I also = highly recommend to listen to=20 *Sarod*master Ali Akbar Khan enjoy ! I also played a Fernandes Sustainer guitar with a fretless neck ... did = anyone try a fretless baritone guitar, yet ? Leander re: fretless gtr-players, i'd at least suggest: dave 'fuse' fiuczynski (usa) marc ducret (fr) and, for looping oudists, i highly recommend (especially live): dhafer youssef (tun/fr) ..... add'ly, i've been looping the oud for about 4-5 (?) yrs, = myself..... regards, dt / splattercell currently working on: films: the sin eater (as composer) recordings: new splattercell recently completed: films: adaptation, simone, heist, the rookie, traffic, etc recordings: david bowie, tori amos, tim berne (as producer), mick karn = (as=20 re-mixer), the living jarboe, mantra girl, etc upcoming: recordings: jeff beck, tim berne (as producer) http://www.splattercell.com http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn member: Guitar Player Magazine Artist Advisory Board ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2B195.E3DF4960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
some more fretless = *guitar*ists=20 to listen to:
 
- Turkish artist Erkan = Og=FCr ( plays=20 fretless nylon acoustic and steel string electric, sometimes w/ e-bow=20 )
- the one guy from = French band=20 *Philharmonie* ( forgot his name, the band plays kind of = instrumental/orchestral=20 rock/metal )
 
some great "cross = culture" oud=20 players:
 
- Anouar = Brahem
- Rabih Abou Khalil of = Lebannon=20
- Roman Bunka of = Germany
 
and even though this is = heading into=20 another area of sound/music I also highly recommend to listen to =
*Sarod*master Ali Akbar = Khan
 
enjoy !
 
I also played a = Fernandes Sustainer=20 guitar with a fretless neck ... did anyone try a fretless baritone = guitar, yet=20 ?
 
 
Leander
 
 
re:=20 fretless gtr-players, i'd at least suggest:
dave 'fuse' fiuczynski=20 (usa)
marc ducret (fr)

and, for looping oudists, i highly = recommend=20 (especially live):
dhafer youssef (tun/fr)

..... add'ly, = i've been=20 looping the oud for about 4-5 (?) yrs, = myself.....

regards,
dt /=20 splattercell







currently working = on:
films:=20 the sin eater (as composer)
recordings: new = splattercell

recently=20 completed:
films: adaptation, simone, heist, the rookie, traffic,=20 etc
recordings: david bowie, tori amos, tim berne (as producer), = mick karn=20 (as
re-mixer), the living jarboe, mantra girl,=20 etc

upcoming:
recordings: jeff beck, tim berne (as=20 producer)

http://www.splattercell.com
<= A=20 = href=3D"http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn">http://www.egroups.com/gr= oup/davidtorn

member:=20 Guitar Player Magazine Artist Advisory = Board
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2B195.E3DF4960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 07:44:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11954; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 07:41:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 07:41:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E12E209.26335048@cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 07:41:45 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: glissentar References: <200212311954.OAA29891@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.17.0.2; VDF: 6.17.0.11; host: russian-caravan.cloud9.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > and, for looping oudists, i highly recommend (especially live): > So, what I really want to know is how many looping oudists are also drooping nudists Elby (who really can't he'p himself) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 08:53:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14023; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 08:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 08:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <61.2b79a816.2b444c73@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 08:51:47 EST Subject: Line6 Pedal Owners Beware To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_61.2b79a816.2b444c73_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_61.2b79a816.2b444c73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy and Happy New Year, Yesterday I was using my Line6 loop pedal when the 1st switch on the left actually came loose and fell into the unit. Major headache. I had to take the unit apart and wasn't able to get it back together completely until my wife came home. (She has petite fingers, I have sausage fingers. She's a little bit country...) Anyway, this could all have been avoided if I had just tightened the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while. If you have a Line6 stompbox and you use it a lot I would torque the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while to make sure they don't come loose. If I can save just one person a lot of irritation or some money then I have done my 1 good deed for the New Year. =-) PJ --part1_61.2b79a816.2b444c73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     Howdy and Happy New Year,
                                                 Yesterday I was using my Line6 loop pedal when the 1st switch on the left actually came loose and fell into the unit. Major headache. I had to take the unit apart and wasn't able to get it back together completely until my wife came home. (She has petite fingers, I have sausage fingers. She's a little bit country...)
     Anyway, this could all have been avoided if I had just tightened the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while. If you have a Line6 stompbox and you use it a lot I would torque the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while to make sure they don't come loose. If I can save just one person a lot of irritation or some money then I have done my 1 good deed for the New Year.                                 =-) PJ --part1_61.2b79a816.2b444c73_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 15:02:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28372; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:01:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:01:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 14:59:58 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 1.4.03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA28345 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge on Saturday, as part if an event that includes some of my favorite musicians. rob chalfen presents subconsciouscafe new chamber music series @ ZEITGEIST GALLERY Saturday, 4 January EXLODING ELECTRO-ACOUSTIC FRONTIER! with -THE RECEPTORS -SUBSTATION THE RECEPTORS Steve MacLean - guitar, kora, electronics Jorrit Dijkstra - alto sax, electronics Joe Monteiro – zen flea-market percussion The long-anticipated meeting of Steve & Jorrit improvising together for the first time (a Nord-Modular extravaganza, “the best synth in the world”) with Joe Monteiro’s zen concatenations. SUBSTATION Andrew Neumann - laptop, switches, sensors Katt Hernandez - F# violin Eric Rosenthal - drums Katt sez @ the trio: I have been working with Andrew Neumann for about a year now. Eric Rosenthal and I have talked about working together a lot, but this will be our first date playing out. This will be a very high energy group, dense and quick, and full of fast and tiny detail- a mad calliope of hyper-mepp!* What seems an unlikely combination- a micro-tonal violinist, an electro-acoustic laptop player, and a free jazz and klezmer-influenced drummer- yields something quite unheard of, brought forth from an intent and intense communicatory fire-storm of electro-acoustic sound. *Mepp: the jazz of the future today! Check piece on this show in current Cambridge Chronicle: http://www.townonline.com/cambridge/arts_lifestyle/arts_lifestyle/cam_artccfrontier12312002.htm @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate Doors @ 8pm (exc. where noted) All shows $10 (exc. where noted) all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 16:35:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32684; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.171.0.230] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 15:31:07 -0600 Subject: Re: New year, new member From: Stendek To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2003 21:33:28.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C390480:01C2B1DD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 12/31/02 10:54 PM, "Stan Card" wrote: > welcome and lets all say g'bye to the last palendromic(LOOP) year fer awhile > s > >> Howdy, >> >> I've been making use of the LD archives over the past >> weeks, & I'm finally joining up to make your >> aquaintance(s) and hopefully make use of your >> expertise. >> >> I've been interested in delays & looping since I >> bought a Boss SE-50 off a friend 10 years ago. I've >> been swinging more towards looping technology, which I >> use in my band, Bete Noire. >> >> Based out of Seattle, I'm a working musician (in both >> senses) and I've recently fallen in love with a new >> used Vortex. Working on combing it with a RDS 7.6, >> that SE-50 I still use and others; & I'll be trying to >> work MIDI controllers into the FX loop/preamp mess >> soon. >> >> Generally I'm not a list user, but this seems to be >> right up my alley. >> >> See you next year! >> >> Joel.B >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >> http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> > Now that I have been made aware of it's palendromic qualities, I really miss 2002!!!! LOL Welcome aboard Joel. I hope to hear some of your stuff on the Files page soon! Stendek From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 16:40:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00684; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:40:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:40:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01dd01c2b1dd$a67a0ae0$0100007f@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: Subject: Re: Votes of Cure Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:33:58 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C2B0E2.0987FE00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <5cLwND.A.mK.9A2E-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C2B0E2.0987FE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bom ... ainda bem que nada grave aconteceu ... espero se recupero pronto = ... muita saude e tranquilidade pare este 2003 que nao vai ser facil = ... abra=E7ao ! julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthias Grob=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Votes of Cure Hi my friends! I did not follow your conversation for a while. Me and my companheira escaped from death by very little while playing=20 in the sand at a steep beach. I had just left the place when a whole=20 mountain of sand stone came down and by some miracle did not burry=20 her but launched her about 20m away and only left her with a broken=20 leg and some smaller insures and a trauma. So I was dealing with Brasilian health system and wheel chairs and=20 learned what it means to care for someone full time. Its all going to be fine again. I also made live looping music in a clinic for some older depressive=20 patients and felt it was serious, useful work I want to develop more. We also had a magic tea ritual that makes me wish for all of us: Our music has a huge curing potential for a world that urgently needs = it! Its a long way without screaming success but little steps of=20 evolution that brings us true gratitude and happiness. First we cure ourselves by looping back what we put out. Then when we find the equilibrium and technique to play relaxed and=20 "in tune", we can use the good vibes to cure others and finally the=20 wave will spread in space, since distance is not a limitation for=20 such energy. Sure I wish you can learn and profit from all the tools and functions=20 that we created with big effort and help of many of you... ...but I wish much more that you become aware of the magic power of=20 music and find ways to turn it useful for yourself and other and help=20 to cure the world! love and light Matthias --=20 ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org ------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C2B0E2.0987FE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
bom ... ainda bem que nada grave = aconteceu ...=20 espero se recupero pronto ... muita saude  e tranquilidade  = pare=20 este  2003 que nao vai ser facil ... abra=E7ao !
julio
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matthias Grob=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, = 2002 3:08=20 PM
Subject: Votes of Cure

Hi my friends!

I did not follow your = conversation for a=20 while.
Me and my companheira escaped from death by very little = while=20 playing
in the sand at a steep beach. I had just left the place = when a=20 whole
mountain of sand stone came down and by some miracle did not = burry=20
her but launched her about 20m away and only left her with a = broken=20
leg and some smaller insures and a trauma.
So I was dealing = with=20 Brasilian health system and wheel chairs and
learned what it means = to care=20 for someone full time.
Its all going to be fine again.

I = also made=20 live looping music in a clinic for some older depressive
patients = and felt=20 it was serious, useful work I want to develop more.

We also had = a magic=20 tea ritual that makes me wish for all of us:

Our music has a = huge=20 curing potential for a world that urgently needs it!
Its a long way = without=20 screaming success but little steps of
evolution that brings us = true=20 gratitude and happiness.

First we cure ourselves by looping = back what=20 we put out.
Then when we find the equilibrium and technique to play = relaxed=20 and
"in tune", we can use the good vibes to cure others and = finally the=20
wave will spread in space, since distance is not a limitation for =
such=20 energy.

Sure I wish you can learn and profit from all the tools = and=20 functions
that we created with big effort and help of many of=20 you...
...but I wish much more that you become aware of the magic = power of=20
music and find ways to turn it useful for yourself and other and = help=20
to cure the world!

love and light
Matthias
--=20


          = ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C2B0E2.0987FE00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 16:58:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01251; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:53:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:53:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 13:57:04 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New year, new member In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <4M9eu.A.dT.rN2E-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:54 PM -0800 12/31/02, Stan Card wrote: >welcome and lets all say g'bye to the last palendromic(LOOP) year fer awhile At 3:31 PM -0600 1/1/03, Stendek wrote: >Now that I have been made aware of it's palendromic qualities, I really miss >2002!!!! LOL There were quite a few palindrome years during the first millennium, but it dropped off as the number of digits increased. The first century is the all-time winner, with eighteen (1 2 3...11 22 etc.). The rest of the first millennium had just nine each (101 111 121 ... 191), and now it's down to one per century (1001 1111 1221...1991 2002 etc.). Once in a while there's a year that reads the same rotated (1691 1961) and the are are a rare few that are the same upside down (1001 1881). Our next palindrome will be in 2112. I can barely wait! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 16:59:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01572; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:57:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c2b1e0$98cf2c60$cb464ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: New year, new member Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:56:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <-9yuQD.A.eY.fR2E-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Our next palindrome will be in 2112. I can barely wait! ...nor can Rush - the deluxe edition release is already pressed up and waiting... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.stevelawson.net www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk www.pmrecords.gemm.com www.solobassnetwork.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 17:57:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04877; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:51:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:51:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E13714C.D3574518@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 17:53:00 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New year, new member References: <006701c2b1e0$98cf2c60$cb464ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually I'm sad I won't be around just to see what they'd make of it. Scott Steve Lawson wrote: > > > Our next palindrome will be in 2112. I can barely wait! > > ...nor can Rush - the deluxe edition release is already pressed up and > waiting... :o) > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > www.stevelawson.net > www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk > www.pmrecords.gemm.com > www.solobassnetwork.org.uk -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 18:02:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05295; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:00:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:00:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030101185705.02db3d10@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ambienttuba@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:57:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: Re: Line6 Pedal Owners Beware In-Reply-To: <61.2b79a816.2b444c73@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_63236734==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_63236734==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for the tip! At 08:51 AM 1/1/03 -0500, you wrote: > Anyway, this could all have been avoided if I had just tightened the > hex nuts on the switches every once in a while. If you have a Line6 > stompbox and you use it a lot I would torque the hex nuts on the switches > every once in a while to make sure they don't come loose. If I can save > just one person a lot of irritation or some money then I have done my 1 > good deed for the New Year. =-) PJ Tom Heasley.com --=====================_63236734==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the tip!

At 08:51 AM 1/1/03 -0500, you wrote:
    Anyway, this could all have been avoided if I had just tightened the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while. If you have a Line6 stompbox and you use it a lot I would torque the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while to make sure they don't come loose. If I can save just one person a lot of irritation or some money then I have done my 1 good deed for the New Year.                                 =-) PJ

Tom Heasley.com
 --=====================_63236734==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 02:47:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28610; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:46:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:46:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 23:46:26 -0800 Subject: OT: Rewinding a DAT tape From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a DAT tape that won't rewind through the first 30 seconds or so. Any advice? I'm hoping I have another copy of the original material, but it may be on a cassette that's suffered further aging so I'd like to get it off the DAT if possible. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 04:13:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01592; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:12:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:12:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.29dd8800.2b455c59@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:11:53 EST Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It seemed > reasonable to me at the time, because I'd expect piezos to pick up > more of the spectral complexity of the attack (harder to analyze) > whereas a magnetic pickup would reproduce the sustain portion more > cleanly. Any pickup gurus have an opinion. 1) aren't the piezos under the bridge, which is the ideal position? 2) as to the "spectral density of the attack" , perhaps less of a problem with nylon, as the high frequencies are damped. andy butler (not a guru, just chipping in) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 04:46:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02636; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:45:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:45:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.1c1cc137.2b456453@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:45:55 EST Subject: Loop Math Demo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <4LIPxD.A.Gp.VpAF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Following the recent threads on loops/math/music here's a new years present. (sorry it only works with Internet Explorer) Life just sit back and watch life evolve some patterns die out some are stable some form loops andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 06:34:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09621; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:33:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:33:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Rewinding a DAT tape Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:33:21 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000501c2b252$c2dc8710$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA09595 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Marc, I've been struggling with this problem quite a lot in studios over the years. It's caused by a broken time code on the tape and some DAT players (mostly the high quality studio machines, in my experience) can not pass by a tape region with no time code. Personally I have owned two cheap DAT recorders from CASIO and both these machines can pass such a tape area, but only if driven in fast forward/backward. It looks to me as the cheap machine doesn't have such "sophisticated breaks" as all the pro gear. It kind of goes. "Oh-oh... Here's an are with no time code (freaking out), I gotta stop, I gotta stop..... Oh, oh, too late. Oh, well..." Once in a studio with a very expensive DAT we got this problem and I happened to keep my cheapo in my gig bag and was able to "repair" the tape by first doing a blanc recording over the non-time-stamped area and then re-indexing it in the Casio DAT. To prevent being stuck with this problem always be careful to start a new recording where the previous one is ending. Then the system of the tape machine will keep an unbroken line of program numbers for all recordings on the tape, and everyone should be happy :-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > Skickat: den 2 januari 2003 08:46 > Till: Looper's Delight > Ämne: OT: Rewinding a DAT tape > > > I've got a DAT tape that won't rewind through the first 30 > seconds or so. Any advice? I'm hoping I have another copy of > the original material, but it may be on a cassette that's > suffered further aging so I'd like to get it off the DAT if possible. > > Thanks. > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 10:35:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27367; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:34:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:34:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c2b274$30fc8080$97554ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: another indie sales site that might be worth investigating... Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:32:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and of you had any dealings with www.galaxydiscs.com ? looks like a good deal for the artists - don't know how much exposure the provide... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.) www.stevelawson.net (the side-door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 10:55:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28125; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:44:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 07:42:29 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar In-reply-to: <3c.29dd8800.2b455c59@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3c.29dd8800.2b455c59@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:11 AM -0500 1/2/03, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >1) aren't the piezos under the bridge, which is the ideal position? The RMC system has a separate sensor element in each string saddle. I imagine this would cause them to pick up a lot of the higher frequencies of the attack transient, just as I'd expect a single piezo under the bridge to be balanced somewhat more in favor of body resonance. But then, I'm just guessing. >2) as to the "spectral density of the attack" , perhaps less of > a problem with nylon, as the high frequencies are damped. Yes. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30585; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:00:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:00:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.94.223.49] From: "water cat" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater, updated or not Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:59:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 15:59:39.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[F49DCD70:01C2B277] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi~

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to tell if a repeater is one of the older ones that needs updating from electrix, if one isn't actually able to hear or use it first.

Thanks,

Peter.




 

MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:04:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30841; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [looper's] production fretless guitar Thread-Index: AcKydukRijNYe27hTIuJ/MGhpRimowAD0n9g From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 16:03:24.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AADDEF0:01C2B278] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30816 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers out there with money. -------------------- Question from: dragun@witty.com Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! Seller: aliengtr Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST Price: Starts at $14,000.00 To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this than from even being on this list!!! haha Denis denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:48:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32485; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:33:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:33:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:33:17 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Fretless MIDI guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200301012135.QAA00345@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard, My understanding of the Godin/RMC system is that it outputs the acoustic signal (pitch information) for each string on separate channels. RMC has modified the piezo output to maximize it for eventual processing via pitch to MIDI converters, i.e. made it less prone to glitches. From there it is up to the pitch to MIDI converter to unravel all this information. I use both the Roland GR-33 and the Axon AX100-SB. Both of these units convert the pitch information to the nearest 12 tone equal temperament note. Plus of course the appropriate amount of pitch bend. Each unit has the option of not outputting the pitch bend information, which is nice when using a piano or organ patch. A fretless guitar run through a pitch to MIDI converter with the pitch bend information turned off would sound remarkably like a fretted guitar. In other words, and to specifically answer Richard's question, if you play a note within 50 cents (half a semitone) either side of middle C with a fretless guitar, the pitch to MIDI device will output the note "C" plus the appropriate pitch bend information (or not). Another note played within 50 cents either side of C# will trigger a new note as "C#". The only time this doesn't hold true is when you pluck a note and then slide your finger up or down the string. The note has already been activated and chosen and then the pitch bend information is sent to modify that note up or down an octave or more. As most guitars cannot play more than two octaves on each string, I don't know what the limit of that pitch bend information is. This causes more or less perceptible artifacts depending on the patch. C3 has a different timbre on most MIDI sound modules than a C2 that has been pitch bent up an octave. This is a long winded way of saying that the Godin fretless synth access guitar will probably work well with either the Roland GR series or the Axon/Yamaha guitar synths. Once a note has been chosen, the nearest MIDI note is then applied. Other posts have come up around the quality of sound coming from the RMC pickups. I can personally vouch for the Godin/RMC combination, the sound of my nylon Multiac is extremely satisfying to my ears as a classical guitarist. The piezos on the Godin electric guitars are made by L.R.Baggs and I do not have any experience with them. Richard McClish (aka RMC) frequents both the MIDI guitar and VG-8 lists. I know him to be a respectful person and both helpful for newbies and old pro's as well as interested in learning and ironing out problems. SVG Richard Zvonar wrote: A fretless MIDI guitar has interesting implications. Presumably this Godin instrument is outfitted with the RMC pickups and outputs six acoustic signals to your MIDI convertor of choice. The convertor then outputs a MIDI note and pitch bend message, but what happens when you're playing "in the cracks"? My Peavey Cyberbass has an interesting MIDI mode whereby each string outputs one MIDI note plus a pitch bend value within a two octave range. That is, as you play up and down the string the note doesn't change, just the pitch bend value. This could work well on a fretless MIDI guitar, but I'm don't know if this mode exisits on any guitar-to-MIDI interfaces. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:48:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00604; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:45:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:45:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102105252.03178f48@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:55:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, From: Catilyne Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) In-Reply-To: <001801c2b27d$80d08300$0201a8c0@eluk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da man. ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses >8-) > > > > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that >price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers >out there with money. > > -------------------- > > > > > > Question from: dragun@witty.com > > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! > > Seller: aliengtr > > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST > > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST > > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 > > To view the item, go to: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 > > > > > > > > > > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this >than from even being on this list!!! haha > > Denis > > > > denis Taaffe > > denis@dtguitar.com > > http://www.dtguitar.com > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:49:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32580; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:35:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c2b27d$80d08300$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:39:16 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers out there with money. > -------------------- > > > Question from: dragun@witty.com > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! > Seller: aliengtr > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 > To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 > > > > > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this than from even being on this list!!! haha > Denis > > denis Taaffe > denis@dtguitar.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > ) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:55:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00742; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:47:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:47:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Thread-Index: AcKyfgpm10G57mX4SgeoXXGoV+Ts1wAEJe0Q From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 16:47:01.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[92D485A0:01C2B27E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA00717 Resent-Message-ID: <47NtjB.A.gL.H0GF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com laugh now, but remember you could of had a deal before it went for $250,000 at sotheby's, buddy!! 8-) Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers out there with money. > -------------------- > > > Question from: dragun@witty.com > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! > Seller: aliengtr > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 > To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 > > > > > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this than from even being on this list!!! haha > Denis > > denis Taaffe > denis@dtguitar.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > ) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:55:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00782; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:47:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:43:54 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: repeater, updated or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E146C4A.9B99C548@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: <9hwcX.A.IM.b0GF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was really only one version of the Repeater, however, some of the first batch had a bad component that made it so you could not upgrade to v. 1.1 of the software. Electrix was fixing this issue for free, and since the warrantees are being honored by TC Electronics I bet they're still doing this for free. If you turn on a Repeater and it boots up saying, " Repeater OS 1.1" then you've got the latest greatest. Version 1.1 added a few nice features like a dry mute mode, but was mostly a bug fix. If you're purchasing a Repeater, welcome. Though often misunderstood and maligned, it's one of the coolest pieces of looping gear ever made, IMO. That said, vs. 1.1 *isn't* bug free. Rick Walker has trouble when he tries to use control midi functions with a Yamaha wind controller. I don't seem to have any issues of this type, but it may help to post how you intend to use the Repeater before you buy one. There are some limitations. Another one that pisses people off is that there's a slight volume "bump" at the end of a loop. I can only hear it if I do a drone that's pretty much one steady note, like from a synth pad. I normally never hear it, even though I do a lot of ambient music. Mark Sottilaro water cat wrote: > > Hi~ > > I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to tell if a repeater is one > of the older ones that needs updating from electrix, if one isn't > actually able to hear or use it first. > > Thanks, > > Peter. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 12:07:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01960; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:57:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Thread-Index: AcKyfyHdJpkw8I9GT06otdaQbMAeGgAECGow From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 16:57:42.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[10A91670:01C2B280] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA01935 Resent-Message-ID: <6_BDrC.A.ie.I-GF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com defininitely, come on!!! Those foreign investors will buy anything as long as it's USA!! YEAH!!!! LOL got sa few bidders already,but they keep asking questions,like "does it come with gold frame? does it include studio it was recorded in? etc..." haha Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtgutiar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da man. ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses >8-) > > > > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that >price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers >out there with money. > > -------------------- > > > > > > Question from: dragun@witty.com > > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! > > Seller: aliengtr > > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST > > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST > > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 > > To view the item, go to: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 > > > > > > > > > > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this >than from even being on this list!!! haha > > Denis > > > > denis Taaffe > > denis@dtguitar.com > > http://www.dtguitar.com > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 12:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03345; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:00:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:00:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:00:59 -0500 Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102105252.03178f48@icicle.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com full marks for self promotion... but you're really not "nominated" for a grammy in the traditional sense until the initial voting... we could all be nominated for grammies in that sense... semantics. i have a friend and an aquaintance (sp?) or two who have won grammies. it's a long complicated political popularity contest that is mostly about hiring the right folks to work the RIAA members. i'm not sure it's really something toward which to aspire. but, to each his or her own..... On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Catilyne wrote: > And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da > man. ;) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 > > > At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >> Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >> Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny >> responses >> 8-) >> >> >> > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them >> for that >> price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of >> suckers >> out there with money. >> > -------------------- >> > >> > >> > Question from: dragun@witty.com >> > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! >> > Seller: aliengtr >> > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST >> > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST >> > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 >> > To view the item, go to: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail >> from this >> than from even being on this list!!! haha >> > Denis >> > >> > denis Taaffe >> > denis@dtguitar.com >> > http://www.dtguitar.com >> > >> > ) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 12:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04529; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:12:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:12:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.113.246.82] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:10:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 17:10:47.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[E45E3620:01C2B281] Resent-Message-ID: <_55iPC.A.rGB.KMHF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How can I be sure this is genuine "Dennis Taaffe"? There are a lot of forgeries out there Besides, I only collect Taaffe on vinyl as my 1x10^38 hz ears can't stand cd From: "Taaffe, Denis G" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc3-f13.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.148]) by mc3-s21.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:09:49 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc3-f13.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:08:52 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30840;Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [looper's] production fretless guitar Thread-Index: AcKydukRijNYe27hTIuJ/MGhpRimowAD0n9g X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 16:03:24.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AADDEF0:01C2B278] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30816 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers out there with money. -------------------- Question from: dragun@witty.com Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! Seller: aliengtr Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST Price: Starts at $14,000.00 To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this than from even being on this list!!! haha Denis denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com ) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 12:40:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05800; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:29:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:29:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:28:37 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Thread-Index: AcKygnSOqNtiT/IHS/+GVFxtStNOUAAD38PA From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 17:28:37.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[6232D180:01C2B284] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA05775 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mr.monk, now now, semantics and humour do not mix. I am fully aware that I being considered for a nomination fo a grammy award in 9 categories and that the top 5 in each category will be actual grammy nominees. nominations to be announced jan.07!! Wow, wish I had the $$ to hire soem people to work over the RIAA members, do you mean NARAS people who run the grammies. Dammn, where is tania harding when you need her, hell I dont even have a label to push me along, must resort to the lowest forms of self promotions.My next slef promotions entales defication at a public mall but nto before I call the evening news and tell them to get down to the mall,some guy is crappin all over the place.LOL Cool, Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.cm -----Original Message----- From: mr.monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) full marks for self promotion... but you're really not "nominated" for a grammy in the traditional sense until the initial voting... we could all be nominated for grammies in that sense... semantics. i have a friend and an aquaintance (sp?) or two who have won grammies. it's a long complicated political popularity contest that is mostly about hiring the right folks to work the RIAA members. i'm not sure it's really something toward which to aspire. but, to each his or her own..... On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Catilyne wrote: > And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da > man. ;) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 > > > At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >> Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >> Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny >> responses >> 8-) >> >> >> > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them >> for that >> price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of >> suckers >> out there with money. >> > -------------------- >> > >> > >> > Question from: dragun@witty.com >> > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! >> > Seller: aliengtr >> > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST >> > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST >> > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 >> > To view the item, go to: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail >> from this >> than from even being on this list!!! haha >> > Denis >> > >> > denis Taaffe >> > denis@dtguitar.com >> > http://www.dtguitar.com >> > >> > ) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 12:46:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05284; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:23:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:23:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:23:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Thread-Index: AcKygmIito1VaGJ9QHGfmOaqi5kVvQAD+t1Q From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 17:23:09.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E9CEEE0:01C2B283] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA05263 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well the fact that it is a scratch and sniff bonus CD ,you csn just tell from the smell of the packing materials.smells a littel liek greasy salami, that's a dead giveaway that it's a taaffe orginal,also the riffs on the CD are pretty good guitar wise,another dead giveaway, but yeah taafe on vynil is awesome!!! I got the taaffe meets les paul and fruitof theloom boys band on vynil, its sweet, almsot as sweet as halen with sammy,ozzy climbing on randy and the like Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: James Winger [mailto:jdwinger@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) How can I be sure this is genuine "Dennis Taaffe"? There are a lot of forgeries out there Besides, I only collect Taaffe on vinyl as my 1x10^38 hz ears can't stand cd From: "Taaffe, Denis G" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc3-f13.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.148]) by mc3-s21.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:09:49 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc3-f13.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:08:52 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30840;Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [looper's] production fretless guitar Thread-Index: AcKydukRijNYe27hTIuJ/MGhpRimowAD0n9g X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 16:03:24.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AADDEF0:01C2B278] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30816 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers out there with money. -------------------- Question from: dragun@witty.com Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! Seller: aliengtr Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST Price: Starts at $14,000.00 To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this than from even being on this list!!! haha Denis denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com ) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 13:03:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06939; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:46:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:46:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:47:14 -0500 Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3AA50518-1E7A-11D7-874B-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my bad, of course i meant NARAS... On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: > mr.monk, > now now, semantics and humour do not mix. I am fully aware that I > being considered for a nomination fo a grammy award in 9 categories > and that the top 5 in each category will be actual grammy nominees. > nominations to be announced jan.07!! Wow, wish I had the $$ to hire > soem people to work over the RIAA members, do you mean NARAS people > who run the grammies. Dammn, where is tania harding when you need her, > hell I dont even have a label to push me along, must resort to the > lowest forms of self promotions.My next slef promotions entales > defication at a public mall but nto before I call the evening news and > tell them to get down to the mall,some guy is crappin all over the > place.LOL > Cool, > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis@dtguitar.com > http://www.dtguitar.cm > > -----Original Message----- > From: mr.monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny > responses 8-) > > > full marks for self promotion... but you're really not "nominated" for > a grammy in the traditional sense until the initial voting... we could > all be nominated for grammies in that sense... semantics. i have a > friend and an aquaintance (sp?) or two who have won grammies. it's a > long complicated political popularity contest that is mostly about > hiring the right folks to work the RIAA members. i'm not sure it's > really something toward which to aspire. but, to each his or her > own..... > > > > On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Catilyne wrote: > >> And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da >> man. ;) >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 >> >> >> At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >>> Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >>> Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny >>> responses >>> 8-) >>> >>> >>>> Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them >>> for that >>> price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of >>> suckers >>> out there with money. >>>> -------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> Question from: dragun@witty.com >>>> Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! >>>> Seller: aliengtr >>>> Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST >>>> Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST >>>> Price: Starts at $14,000.00 >>>> To view the item, go to: >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail >>> from this >>> than from even being on this list!!! haha >>>> Denis >>>> >>>> denis Taaffe >>>> denis@dtguitar.com >>>> http://www.dtguitar.com >>>> >>>> ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> _____ >> "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" >> -recoil >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 13:45:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11668; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:42:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c2b28f$4ca75f60$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:45:28 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr.monk" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 17:00:PM Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) > full marks for self promotion... but you're really not "nominated" for > a grammy in the traditional sense until the initial voting... we could > all be nominated for grammies in that sense... semantics. i have a > friend and an aquaintance (sp?) or two who have won grammies. it's a > long complicated political popularity contest that is mostly about > hiring the right folks to work the RIAA members. i'm not sure it's > really something toward which to aspire. but, to each his or her > own..... Hah! This means that as long as the RIAA is involved, I'll never even get mentioned at the Grammys. What a loss. [snicker] http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions > > > On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Catilyne wrote: > > > And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da > > man. ;) > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 > > > > > > At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: > >> Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM > >> Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny > >> responses > >> 8-) > >> > >> > >> > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them > >> for that > >> price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of > >> suckers > >> out there with money. > >> > -------------------- > >> > > >> > > >> > Question from: dragun@witty.com > >> > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! > >> > Seller: aliengtr > >> > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST > >> > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST > >> > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 > >> > To view the item, go to: > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail > >> from this > >> than from even being on this list!!! haha > >> > Denis > >> > > >> > denis Taaffe > >> > denis@dtguitar.com > >> > http://www.dtguitar.com > >> > > >> > ) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > _____ > > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > > -recoil > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 13:45:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11626; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:42:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:42:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:46:27 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar In-reply-to: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3F7kI.A.k1C.-fIF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:33 AM -0800 1/2/03, S V G wrote: >My understanding of the Godin/RMC system is that it outputs the >acoustic signal (pitch information) for each string on separate >channels. RMC also makes the Freakout Box, which provides individual audio outputs per string. This presents interesting possibilities for surround sound and for string-specific effects processing. >From there it is up to the pitch to MIDI converter to unravel all >this information...if you play a note within 50 cents (half a >semitone) >either side of middle C with a fretless guitar, the pitch to MIDI >device will output the note "C" plus the appropriate pitch bend >information (or not). Another note played within 50 cents either >side of C# will trigger a new note as "C#". The only time this >doesn't hold true is when you pluck a note and then slide your >finger up or down the string. The note has already been >activated and chosen and then the pitch bend information is sent to >modify that note up or down an octave or more. This system has both advantages and disadvantages. It assumes that pitch bends will always start within a semitone of the nominal pitch, but it's quite common for some players to bend down from a whole tone or a minor third above. The system I mention as being available on the Peavey Cyberbass (each string outputs a single MIDI note plus pitch bend within a two octave range) has some interesting possibilities for fretless and even fretted MIDI guitars. For instance, it allows playing with flexible intonation. Microtonal players (whose pitch discrimination can be uncanny) would be able to play guitar synth in Just or other intonations without the synth having microtonal features. Even though many synths have tuning capabilities, it requires switching presets in order to change from one to another. With a MIDI pitch bend based system the intonation would be left entirely to the player. There are certain technical issues related to pitch bend resolution. Unfortunately most MIDI equipment seems to be designed with 7-bit pitch bend and this permits only 128 discrete values. This means that bends are limited to 63 or 64 steps up OR down. With a semitone bend the individual steps are about 1.5 cents; a while tone is about 3.1 cents. Both are OK, but if you stretch 128 values over a two octave range you get pitch increments of nearly 19 cents! The technical solution to this is to use the full two-byte, 14-bit resolution allowed by MIDI, resulting in 16,384 steps and pitch resolution of about 0.15 cents. I don't think there are many sound modules that can match that. The Cyberbass Voice Module and the Oberheim Matrix synths can handle it. >C3 BTW - Middle C is "C4" no matter what Yamaha says. >This is a long winded way of saying that the Godin fretless synth >access guitar will probably work well with either the Roland GR >series or the Axon/Yamaha guitar synths. Not long-winded. Necessarily clear and detailed! >I can personally vouch for the Godin/RMC combination, the sound of >my nylon Multiac is extremely satisfying to my ears as a classical >guitarist. Any comments on the difference between Multiac and ACS-SA? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 13:46:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11713; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:43:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:43:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:43:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Thread-Index: AcKyiNPfAWJlelEGQTG3iSESlysg9wACtMjg From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 18:43:25.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[D57FAE10:01C2B28E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA11688 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well hey,maybe givign the riaa a nudge aint a bad thought either hehe- 8-) Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: mr.monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) my bad, of course i meant NARAS... On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: > mr.monk, > now now, semantics and humour do not mix. I am fully aware that I > being considered for a nomination fo a grammy award in 9 categories > and that the top 5 in each category will be actual grammy nominees. > nominations to be announced jan.07!! Wow, wish I had the $$ to hire > soem people to work over the RIAA members, do you mean NARAS people > who run the grammies. Dammn, where is tania harding when you need her, > hell I dont even have a label to push me along, must resort to the > lowest forms of self promotions.My next slef promotions entales > defication at a public mall but nto before I call the evening news and > tell them to get down to the mall,some guy is crappin all over the > place.LOL > Cool, > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis@dtguitar.com > http://www.dtguitar.cm > > -----Original Message----- > From: mr.monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny > responses 8-) > > > full marks for self promotion... but you're really not "nominated" for > a grammy in the traditional sense until the initial voting... we could > all be nominated for grammies in that sense... semantics. i have a > friend and an aquaintance (sp?) or two who have won grammies. it's a > long complicated political popularity contest that is mostly about > hiring the right folks to work the RIAA members. i'm not sure it's > really something toward which to aspire. but, to each his or her > own..... > > > > On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Catilyne wrote: > >> And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da >> man. ;) >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 >> >> >> At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >>> Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >>> Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny >>> responses >>> 8-) >>> >>> >>>> Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them >>> for that >>> price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of >>> suckers >>> out there with money. >>>> -------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> Question from: dragun@witty.com >>>> Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! >>>> Seller: aliengtr >>>> Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST >>>> Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST >>>> Price: Starts at $14,000.00 >>>> To view the item, go to: >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail >>> from this >>> than from even being on this list!!! haha >>>> Denis >>>> >>>> denis Taaffe >>>> denis@dtguitar.com >>>> http://www.dtguitar.com >>>> >>>> ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> _____ >> "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" >> -recoil >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 14:01:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12600; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:52:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:52:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102125904.0317dbd8@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:02:12 -0600 To: From: Catilyne Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:43 PM 1/2/2003 -0500, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: >well hey,maybe givign the riaa a nudge aint a bad thought either hehe- 8-) A nudge, eh? As in "off the side of a cliff", perhaps? <*evil grin*> -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 14:35:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16850; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:35:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:35:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E149803.53B3B27C@jps.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:50:28 -0800 From: Dan Shapiro Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Organization: PT MEDIA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------659EDC1E075B132626B2CC1F" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------659EDC1E075B132626B2CC1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --------------659EDC1E075B132626B2CC1F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --------------659EDC1E075B132626B2CC1F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 14:49:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17621; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:48:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:48:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102131103.032b0c18@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:58:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar In-Reply-To: References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:46 AM 1/2/2003 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote: >The system I mention as being available on the Peavey Cyberbass (each >string outputs a single MIDI note plus pitch bend within a two octave >range) has some interesting possibilities for fretless and even fretted >MIDI guitars. For instance, it allows playing with flexible intonation. >Microtonal players (whose pitch discrimination can be uncanny) would be >able to play guitar synth in Just or other intonations without the synth >having microtonal features. Even though many synths have tuning >capabilities, it requires switching presets in order to change from one to >another. With a MIDI pitch bend based system the intonation would be left >entirely to the player. > >There are certain technical issues related to pitch bend resolution. >[*snip*] ...The Cyberbass Voice Module and the Oberheim Matrix synths can >handle it. I really like the concept, but as you mention there are some issues which have to be taken into account, primarily by the receiving sound module. Another consideration is the ability of the synth to properly handle MIDI Mode 4 (guitar mode), since you don't want the pitch-bend messages from each string interfering with each other (as they would in Modes 1&2). You could get away with this in Multi-Mode (Mode 3), but it might be a real pain on some synths, as you'd have to go in and manually program a separate preset for each channel/string. In addition to the modules you mentioned above (I've got a Matrix 1000 which works great for this, BTW), I'd also recommend some of the later Sequential stuff as well. I can personally vouch for the Prophet 2002, Prophet VS, and Studio 440. I'm also curious if there are any current MIDI processing programs out there which could accomplish a similar function on existing hardware (i.e. take an incoming MIDI note number then map it to a MIDI note + pitchbend value). I think I mentioned previously that I used to use an Atari program called UltraMidi with my Yamaha G-10 to accomplish something similar (although there were other problems which I won't go into here). It's obviously not the same as doing microtonal work on a fretless (for one, the fingering differences would be monumental), but it would be nice to be able use one's existing axe and existing sound-modules yet still call up different microtonal scales at the push of a switch. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 15:04:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19720; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:01:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:01:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030102155054.02d29100@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ambienttuba@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:00:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: LA Gig Jan. 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_139028620==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_139028620==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Happy Loop Year to all. Gig's in Valencia, actually: http://shoko.calarts.edu/ceait03/ or http://music.calarts.edu/. Best, Tom Tom Heasley.com --=====================_139028620==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Happy Loop Year to all.

Gig's in Valencia, actually: http://shoko.calarts.edu/ceait03/  or http://music.calarts.edu/. 

Best,

Tom

Tom Heasley.com
 --=====================_139028620==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 16:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25186; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:18:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:18:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:20:25 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102131103.032b0c18@icicle.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030102131103.032b0c18@icicle.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:58 PM -0600 1/2/03, Catilyne wrote: >In addition to the modules you mentioned above (I've got a Matrix >1000 which works great for this, BTW), I'd also recommend some of >the later Sequential stuff as well. I can personally vouch for the >Prophet 2002, Prophet VS, and Studio 440. These are all older models designed by some of the inventors of MIDI. It's unfortunate that certain features have not been implemented in newer instruments. For instance, something I've always enjoyed is MIDI Note Off velocity. My Oberheim Xk keyboard sends this, and my Eventide H3000 can respond to it, so that a parameter could have one value (such as delay feedback) on note on and a different one on note off. Very expressive. Polyphonic Aftertouch is another MIDI message that go lost in the shuffle. Even in "the day" it was almost unseen on cheaper instruments. >I'm also curious if there are any current MIDI processing programs >out there which could accomplish a similar function on existing >hardware (i.e. take an incoming MIDI note number then map it to a >MIDI note + pitchbend value). I could whip one up in a few minutes with Max: Use the incoming note number as an index to a table of pitch bend values and send these out along with a note message at a fixed note number. There are no doubt some other MIDI programming languages that could do this, and there are even some hardware pieces that might. >I used to use an Atari program called UltraMidi with my Yamaha G-10 >to accomplish something similar Circa 1987. They've since gone uptown. http://www.mindovermidi.com/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 17:49:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30839; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:46:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:46:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:45:01 -0800 From: Patrick Bolan Subject: Percussion on acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: pbolan@csiconstruction.com Message-id: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> Organization: CSI Construction MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_d9T040SQNgIhKSczb53nLg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_d9T040SQNgIhKSczb53nLg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, I need some advice about looping and percussion. I recently saw Phil Keaggy in concert, and he used his acoustic guitar to create clean sharp percussion that simulated the sounds of kick drum or hi-hat as part of the loop (he used a Jamman and Line 6). When I tried it, my percussion sounded extremely muddled. Here's my question: How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic guitar? I have a Taylor 914ce, with a Fishman under-the-saddle pickup. I am a good guitarist, but just starting to explore looping with a Boss RC-20. Any suggestions about percussion on the body of an acoustic guitar would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance, Patrick in Portland, Oregon. --Boundary_(ID_d9T040SQNgIhKSczb53nLg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi, I need some advice about looping and percussion…

 

I recently saw Phil Keaggy in concert, and he used his acoustic guitar to create clean sharp percussion that simulated the sounds of kick drum or hi-hat as part of the loop (he used a Jamman and Line 6).    When I tried it, my percussion sounded extremely muddled.  Here’s my question:

 

How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic guitar?

 

I have a Taylor 914ce, with a Fishman under-the-saddle pickup.  I am a good guitarist, but just starting to explore looping with a Boss RC-20.  Any suggestions about percussion on the body of an acoustic guitar would be very appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Patrick in Portland, Oregon.

--Boundary_(ID_d9T040SQNgIhKSczb53nLg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 18:36:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02072; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:36:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:36:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Darinflame@aol.com Message-ID: <128.1f33795c.2b4626cb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:35:39 EST Subject: Re: User Error To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_128.1f33795c.2b4626cb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_128.1f33795c.2b4626cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/26/2002 12:44:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > Loopstock 2003 tell me about this! :) darin flame drake ~~~~~~~~ for projects and sites of Producer DFlame VISIT on the WEB : WWW..T R I P N O T R O N I C R E C O R D S.COM and .WWW.JUNGLEJIVESTUDIOS...COM and WWW .BigVideoProductions.COM --part1_128.1f33795c.2b4626cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/26/2002 12:44:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:


Loopstock 2003


tell me about this!

:)
darin flame drake
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for projects and sites of Producer DFlame
         VISIT on the WEB :
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  --part1_128.1f33795c.2b4626cb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 18:49:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02651; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:46:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:46:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:31:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/2/03 10:46 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > RMC also makes the Freakout Box, which provides individual audio > outputs per string. This presents interesting possibilities for > surround sound and for string-specific effects processing. I don't want most of the modeling on the VG-8/88 so I haven't been able to justify getting a hex pickup and getting a VG-88, but I really could be more tempted by a hex pickup if I could just get a good hex fuzz for it. The RMC breakout box plus six fuzz pedals, however, does not seem cost effective. Maybe the Boss PolyOctave does that but it certainly isn't clear from the online information as to whether the distortion is per string or not. Mark P.S. As a poor man's hex-a-fuzz substitute, has anyone tried the PAiA Quadrafuzz? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:05:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05171; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:04:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:04:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c2b2bb$64119ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:02:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" > Richard McClish (aka RMC) frequents both the MIDI > guitar and VG-8 lists. Where's subscription info for a MIDI gtr list? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:28:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06612; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:25:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:25:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E14CA80.25AA31C8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:25:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hexfuzz (was Re: Fretless MIDI guitar) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that is the point of the PolyOctave, but I could be wrong. Speaking of Hexfuzz, some of the most beautiful fuzzy tone comes from Matthais' little self made box. I don't know much about it, but the tone he gets is pretty amazing. I wonder why he hasn't tried to commercially produce it. Mark Sottilaro Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 1/2/03 10:46 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > > > RMC also makes the Freakout Box, which provides individual audio > > outputs per string. This presents interesting possibilities for > > surround sound and for string-specific effects processing. > > I don't want most of the modeling on the VG-8/88 so I haven't been able to > justify getting a hex pickup and getting a VG-88, but I really could be more > tempted by a hex pickup if I could just get a good hex fuzz for it. The RMC > breakout box plus six fuzz pedals, however, does not seem cost effective. > Maybe the Boss PolyOctave does that but it certainly isn't clear from the > online information as to whether the distortion is per string or not. > > Mark > > P.S. As a poor man's hex-a-fuzz substitute, has anyone tried the PAiA > Quadrafuzz? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:35:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06957; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:32:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:32:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c2b2bf$28e52a00$2961f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200301021655.LAA01545@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: $14,000 for Dennis Taffes' excellent CD Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:29:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <1iltw.A.nsB.DoNF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jeez louise, Dennis, I sell my CDs numbered and autographed for $15 on Loopers Delight. Maybe I ought to up my prices. What do you think guys? In the loopers delight bargain bin: CLOSEOUT LOOPING MUSIC SALE Rick Walker's Loop.pooL TRANSLUCENT DAYGLO LIME GREEN PLASTIC on sale for a limited time only: $1,500/CD get 'em while the gettin's good. LOL, Happy New Year everyone. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:37:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07181; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:30:07 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar In-reply-to: <009601c2b2bb$64119ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <009601c2b2bb$64119ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0JIrXD.A.HwB.AqNF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:02 PM -0500 1/2/03, David Beardsley wrote: >Where's subscription info for a MIDI gtr list? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:44:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08068; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:41:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:41:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:40:23 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: [looper's] cheap n' dirty To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E14DBF6.FC1A7AC7@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just had a wonderful afternoon with a Tascam Portastudio I got for $20 and an endless answering machine tape. The classic lo-fi four-track 30-second looper. I left the patch cord from my normal rig in track 1 and used a footswitch to punch in and out, switching the record buss to a new track when I got 30 really great seconds going. I generally used the "tape cue" section to mix the tracks out to the phones jack; using the mix section sends all the actively playing tracks to the currently recording track, which can be a fun way to pile up tracks too. I'm sure this has been done many, many times by folks on the list, but I highly recommend revisiting it for those of you who don't have Repeaters (or even those who do) - it's a wonderful feeling of control to have four tracks, each with a VU level meter, EQ (when in mix) and a fader, and to be able to re-record a few seconds on the fly anywhere in the loop. for cheap! and with that lovable cassette sound (overdrive at will). whee, Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:49:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08412; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:47:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:47:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c2b2c1$b6e6b380$1e07a044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> <3E14DBF6.FC1A7AC7@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: [looper's] cheap n' dirty Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:47:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [68.160.7.30] at Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:47:00 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com awesome! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: [looper's] cheap n' dirty > > I've just had a wonderful afternoon with a Tascam Portastudio I got for > $20 and an endless answering machine tape. The classic lo-fi four-track > 30-second looper. I left the patch cord from my normal rig in track 1 > and used a footswitch to punch in and out, switching the record buss to > a new track when I got 30 really great seconds going. I generally used > the "tape cue" section to mix the tracks out to the phones jack; using > the mix section sends all the actively playing tracks to the currently > recording track, which can be a fun way to pile up tracks too. > > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:54:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08673; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:52:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:52:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102165510.0362b308@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:01:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102131103.032b0c18@icicle.net> <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030102131103.032b0c18@icicle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:20 PM 1/2/2003 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 1:58 PM -0600 1/2/03, Catilyne wrote: > >>I can personally vouch for the Prophet 2002, Prophet VS, and Studio 440. > >These are all older models designed by some of the inventors of MIDI. It's >unfortunate that certain features have not been implemented in newer >instruments. Agreed. I likewise regret some of those more esoteric specifications were never more widely implemented. Kurzweil, I think, have also been pretty good at implementing full spec, but they're definitely one of the exceptions. I never fully appreciated Note Off Velocity, but I still hate not having Polyphonic Aftertouch on many modules. It makes emulating guitar and string parts so much easier. Now that some of the original synth & MIDI pioneers (Dave Smith, Roger Linn, Bob Moog) seem to be having success as specialty manufacturers, I'm wondering if perhaps full implementations and real applications of some of those lesser-known controllers might catch on. Ah heck, I can still hope anyway... >>I'm also curious if there are any current MIDI processing programs out >>there which could accomplish a similar function on existing hardware >>(i.e. take an incoming MIDI note number then map it to a MIDI note + >>pitchbend value). > >I could whip one up in a few minutes with Max: Using Max for this had occurred to me, but I'd dismissed it as overkill. However, now that I actually think about it, can't you compile freestanding applications with Max as well? I thought I'd heard that some of the different Pluggo's had been put together like that. I've never been that much of a Max-head, but perhaps I'll dig out a copy anyway. Like you said, shouldn't take much time to crank out such a simple app. >>I used to use an Atari program called UltraMidi with my Yamaha G-10 to >>accomplish something similar > >Circa 1987. They've since gone uptown. > >http://www.mindovermidi.com/ Wow! Damn, Zvonar, you are good! I tried tracking down that program a couple of months back and got absolutely nowhere. Looks like they've got a second generation version of UltraMidi (Slave to MIDI). Might be worth dragging my Atari out of the closet, especially if they've worked out some of the latency issues. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 20:19:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11774; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:18:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:18:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:56:58 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] cheap n' dirty In-reply-to: <3E14DBF6.FC1A7AC7@mhorse.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> <3E14DBF6.FC1A7AC7@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:40 PM -0800 1/2/03, Daryl wrote: >I've just had a wonderful afternoon with a Tascam Portastudio I got for >$20 and an endless answering machine tape. I have a Porta One that I've used in performance as a playback deck. One advantage of this model is that it runs at the same speed as a regular cassette deck (rather than double speed like its big brothers do). This allows you to play back any cassettes you might have lying around (in my case everything from Luigi Nono to Mantovani Christmas music) with the added benefit that two of the four tracks will be playing backwards. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 21:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15969; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:18:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:18:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E14E53A.1C3601DD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 18:19:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [looper's] cheap n' dirty References: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> <3E14DBF6.FC1A7AC7@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, I was just about to sell my Yamaha 4 track tape deck. It's the MTX3 model (http://www.yamaha.com/ycaservice/mp4model/mt3x.htm) and it's a really nice one. I keep it around because it's a good quality tape deck, but I just *never* use it. If I get a decent offer (the last one went for $125 on ebay, I'd let it go for a hundred plus shipping), I'd be happy to give it up to a good looping home. Mark Sottilaro > I've just had a wonderful afternoon with a Tascam Portastudio I got for > $20 and an endless answering machine tape. The classic lo-fi four-track > 30-second looper. I left the patch cord from my normal rig in track 1 > and used a footswitch to punch in and out, switching the record buss to > a new track when I got 30 really great seconds going. I generally used > the "tape cue" section to mix the tracks out to the phones jack; using > the mix section sends all the actively playing tracks to the currently > recording track, which can be a fun way to pile up tracks too. > > I'm sure this has been done many, many times by folks on the list, but I > highly recommend revisiting it for those of you who don't have Repeaters > (or even those who do) - it's a wonderful feeling of control to have > four tracks, each with a VU level meter, EQ (when in mix) and a fader, > and to be able to re-record a few seconds on the fly anywhere in the > loop. for cheap! and with that lovable cassette sound (overdrive at > will). > > whee, > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 21:55:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17294; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:51:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:51:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 21:51:49 -0500 X-Epoch: 1041562309 X-Sasl-enc: Kf+CRMnca+l0YvsEpe4vTw Subject: Re: Percussion on acoustic guitar Message-Id: <20030103025149.A920719AEA@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:45:01 -0800, "Patrick Bolan" said: > How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic > guitar? Yeah, I'm on the same boat as you. I have a Rare Earth blend pickup and LR Baggs I-Beam, and the best result has come from using the mic on the rare earth. But even that sounds muffled. The only way to go as far as I can see, is either use a mic onstage or effects (eq, compression, etc...) The best sound I've gotten is using a combination of both pickups and a condenser mic, and then adding a liitle distortion and eq. You can hear the result here: http://zebox.com/a4/schnack_-_coda.mp3 That is recording at home though, I haven't managed to get a good live sound. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 22:00:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17590; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:57:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:57:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:56:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gemm.com - experiences? Thread-Index: AcKxCppwuAnbZhdRR2Wq5ce1qAuJeQADhYfAAGqDJ3A= From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "Taaffe, Denis G" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2003 02:56:43.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEE75370:01C2B2D3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA17569 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last call before I put the lexicon jamman on ebay, will take $425.00+$10s/h via paypal. so paypal dtaaffe@indiana.edu if interested and include shipping address.Item is decribed below. thanks Denis -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:08 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Hi, I have a lexicon jamman for sale with footswitch for $500+$10 shipping.excellent condition. If interested,paypal me at dtaaffe@indiana.edu and send me your email address.Will put on ebay i no interest. Thanks Denis Denis taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu htp://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 22:46:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22297; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:44:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:44:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c2b2da$1ac18520$5f63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200301030035.TAA07273@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: PERCUSSIVE TECHNIQUES for LOOPING GUITAR: a new thread? hint hint........... ;-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:42:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Patrick, Rick Walker here. I'm a percussionist and thought I might be of some assistance with your dilemma. Not all acoustic guitars sound the same percussively for obvious reasons. If you have a guitar that doesn't have a naturally resonant set of bass drum sounds (the hardest to get) here are a couple of suggestions from a percussionists standpoint: 1) if you are looping and have a programmable equalizer (parametric or 31 band) practise getting the best acoustic bass drum sound that you can from your axe. This is best accomplished by playing in the middle of the back of the guitar with the side of your thumb..........you want to do a very quick rotation of your wrist so that thumb (with palm facing you)of your right hand is to the right and then quickly wips (without moving your elbow or forearm) laterally so that your palm turns completely face down and then returns to the open position as fast as you can. Strike the back of your guitar with the fleshiest portion of the side of your thumb (most akin to a hard felt bass drum beater) or actually use a soft felt mallet ($20-$30). Now equalize that sound until you find the resonant frequency of the guitar being struck and raise it's volume. You can cut all of the really high frequencies out of this sound but leave a little 6k in there for the 'attack' of the sound. Store your sound. 2) Now go to the part of the guitar where sides join the bottom or the top (the place of least resonance) and use your 1st or 2nd finger or middle three fingers together and quickly slap that place (making sure that no fingers touch further into the guitar)..........now eq the bass and low mid frequencies completely out of the sound and boost everything from 1k to 6k. Store your sound. Voila! instant bass drum and snare drum analogues. Because you will be layering your 'drum' sounds into your mix, you can recall the 'kick' drum sound, layer it's rhythm, then call up your snare eq and layer that rhythm. 3) Go to half speed record on your looper and play half speed 8th notes by very quickly scratch the grooves of your strings so that they make little short and discreet sounds and then return to full speed: Voila! instant 'hi hat' sounds 4) other cool sounds can be going to the edge where the front meets the sides and 'snapping' your finger to produce sharp wooden sounds (clave/) lightly palm mute your strings and then play harmonics by striking the guitar with anything from a plastic martini skewer to a hammer dulcimer mallet to a bic pen to a chopstick...........again, if done at half speed while in half speed record you can produce much faster sounds at normal speed that are very interesting an percussive. 5) By creatively using a parametric equalizer you can go to several parts of the body and while striking it with your thumb you can take on band of the parametric, make the band width extremely narrow and sweep the frequencies with the volume of that band very high and all the other bands very low. You will come across several different distinct and loud tones that can also serve as your 'tom' 'tom's. At my gig on New Year's Eve (at the Monterey Museum of Art) I used a frisbie with my new digitech vocal processor (more cool bang for the buck than any effects processor I've owned so far!!!!) and used the fact that I can statically change the pitch of the input from two octaves below to two octaves above to create a myriad of different drum sounds. It was awesome!!! Any really cheap pitch shifter (boss has a really nice one for $165 called the IntelliShifter that is a simple stomp box pedal with even a little bit of intelligent pitch shifting options and a very cool stutter and 'whammy bar' effect built in---even pretty nice fidelity and relatively low noise.). I'm not a guitarist per se (although I own a few acoustic and electrics) but I've had great fun by striking, bowing, malleting, sliding and preparing guitars. Old stand bys are 1) lacing forks and knives and spoons under and over your strings to create 'faux' gamelan sounds......... 2) rolling large ball bearing balls down the strings 3) dropping hard rice kernels on prepared guitars (stole that one, like every one else and there mother's uncle, from Fred Frith......the maestro). 4) tuning the strings to an open chord and playing the back of the guitar like a hand drum but micing it right under the bridge with a high quality condenser mic so that you get the chordal sympathetic vibrations. You can then take that sound and equalize all of the lower 'drum' sounds out of it and you get a very cool and unusual rhythmic chordal sound that has overring like a bowed psaltery. and, hey, what else guys and gals? what other cool percussive things can we do to the guitar (or cello or bass or violin). This might be a good thread!!!! have fun and let me know if you recieve any other good suggestions for your dilemma. your, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 00:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28168; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:04:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:04:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <120.1bc82e21.2b4673b0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:03:44 EST Subject: Re: PERCUSSIVE TECHNIQUES for LOOPING GUITAR: a new thread? hint hint........... ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA28147 Resent-Message-ID: <1Kw96.A.C4G.cnRF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, In a message dated 1/2/03 7:45:42 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >Rick Walker here. I'm a percussionist and thought I might be of some >assistance with your dilemma. Etc., etc., etc. Thanks Rick! It just so happens that this is helpful info for me too. I'm doing a very rare (for me) all-acoustic guitar looping gig in February -- just my Lakewood M32 (which hardly ever leaves home) a little combo amp and some (as yet un-procured) loop pedal of some sort. I've been scratching my head for ideas and this thread reminded me of all the other cool non-stringy sounds a guitar can make. Thanks for the input on Patrick's question -- I benefited as well. BTW: As a Line6 DL-4 maven, have you any advice on where to pick up a used one of those for a decent price? I don't wanna schlepp my 16-space rack of doom (with EDPs and cabs and all) to this quiet, low-key gig. I'm trying to pare down to a nice, very portable, and minimal loop setup for this thing. I figure the DL-4 will suit my needs for achieving this goal just fine. I'd appreciate your thoughts if you don't mind sharing them. Ciao! tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 00:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30563; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:46:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:46:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103054653.27471.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:46:53 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: Hexfuzz To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Boss PolyOctave does not produce individual-string distortion; I too was seduced by the ambiguous description, and disappointed when I tried it out. I guess it isn't demanded sufficiently to include the extra programming. ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com You can't make me think like you, mundane -Incubus __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 01:00:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32585; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:59:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:59:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103055842.84125.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:58:42 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200301030035.TAA07274@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, You can find it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ Fair warning however, the list is pretty emotionally reactive. I unsubscribed about 6 months ago because the amount of bickering was unsettling. I went there earlier today to see if it had simmered down and it was full tilt boogie as always... Still, if you're willing to wade through the muck, there are informative posts from time to time. SVG > Where's subscription info for a MIDI gtr list? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 01:30:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01529; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:26:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:26:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c2b2f1$01ae0740$343eddcb@PODAMUS> From: "Ashley Farlow" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:26:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B344.D24572F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <54V9YD.A.zX.F0SF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B344.D24572F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B344.D24572F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B344.D24572F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 01:56:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02722; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:52:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:52:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103065210.97912.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Fretless MIDI guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200301030035.TAA07274@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:33 AM -0800 1/2/03, S V G wrote: >From there it is up to the pitch to MIDI converter to unravel all >this information...if you play a note within 50 cents (half a >semitone) >either side of middle C with a fretless guitar, the pitch to MIDI >device will output the note "C" plus the appropriate pitch bend >information (or not). Another note played within 50 cents either >side of C# will trigger a new note as "C#". The only time this >doesn't hold true is when you pluck a note and then slide your >finger up or down the string. The note has already been >activated and chosen and then the pitch bend information is sent to >modify that note up or down an octave or more. RZ: This system has both advantages and disadvantages. It assumes that pitch bends will always start within a semitone of the nominal pitch, but it's quite common for some players to bend down from a whole tone or a minor third above. SVG: This shouldn't be too big of a difference to matter. RZ: The system I mention as being available on the Peavey Cyberbass (each string outputs a single MIDI note plus pitch bend within a two octave range)... SVG: This doesn't jive with my understanding of how MIDI works, one note that gets bent up or down an octave? Wouldn't that sound weird at the extremes? RZ: ...has some interesting possibilities for fretless and even fretted MIDI guitars. For instance, it allows playing with flexible intonation. Microtonal players (whose pitch discrimination can be uncanny) would be able to play guitar synth in Just or other intonations without the synth having microtonal features. Even though many synths have tuning capabilities, it requires switching presets in order to change from one to another. With a MIDI pitch bend based system the intonation would be left entirely to the player. SVG: Again, I'm not sure that I understand what you are referring to here. I've been building microtonal instruments for the past 25 years, though my knowledge of how MIDI works is on the scant side. If a patch had a pitch bend resolution of +/- 1 semitones, wouldn't this be enough to obtain most any microtonal interval as long as you don't bend the note outside of that semitone range? And the pitch bend accuracy would be to the nearest 1.5625 cents (100 cents divided by 64) which is close enough for rock 'n' roll (though some would moan in a most pitiful way). RZ: There are certain technical issues related to pitch bend resolution. Unfortunately most MIDI equipment seems to be designed with 7-bit pitch bend and this permits only 128 discrete values. This means that bends are limited to 63 or 64 steps up OR down. With a semitone bend the individual steps are about 1.5 cents; a while tone is about 3.1 cents. Both are OK, but if you stretch 128 values over a two octave range you get pitch increments of nearly 19 cents! SVG: Okay, I tried this on my keyboard synth and I found out what you're talking about. If I set my pitchbend range to +/- 12 semitones, my pitchwheel gives me a "stepped" output as opposed to a smooth slide. I must have been getting around a 10 cent jump with each increment. RZ: The technical solution to this is to use the full two-byte, 14-bit resolution allowed by MIDI, resulting in 16,384 steps and pitch resolution of about 0.15 cents. I don't think there are many sound modules that can match that. The Cyberbass Voice Module and the Oberheim Matrix synths can handle it. SVG: My Emu synths all have a resolution of +/- 64 per semitone which is 1.5625 cents. Not great but better than nothing. Kurzweil has a resolution of +/- 100 per semitone which is in 1 cent increments which is a whole lot easier for a musician to work with (one of the rare moments when Kurzweil had the musician rather than the nerd in mind...) and other systems tend to follow one of these two models. However, these numbers are referring to the gradations available when constructing microtonal scales as well as the pitchbend range. With the Kurzweil, you set up one octave and all the octaves are locked into that same tuning. With Emu, you have to set the tuning for every single note which is more labor intensive yet it offers much more flexibility (i.e. octaves don't have to be in tune with each other, which is essential for most ethnomusicological scales). Regardless of whether you are using a fretless or a fretted guitar, you can set a user definable scale on your synth, turn off the pitchbend, and anything you play on your guitar will ipso facto sound within that scale that you defined. It would be imperative to not blend the acoustic sound of the guitar with the synth sound if that were the case. Still it holds some potential. RZ: BTW - Middle C is "C4" no matter what Yamaha says. SVG: I know that MIDI was developed with several musicians on the consulting panel. What were they thinking? That they could just ignore the modern acoustic usage? Especially since there seems to be no overwhelming reason that they couldn't just keep C4 as C4. >I can personally vouch for the Godin/RMC combination, the sound of >my nylon Multiac is extremely satisfying to my ears as a classical >guitarist. RZ: Any comments on the difference between Multiac and ACS-SA? SVG: I actually owned the ACS-SA for a few weeks by accident before obtaining my Multiac-SA. The ACS is a less expensive guitar, being mostly a solid body nylon stringed instrument made out of western maple. Ergonomically, it was too heavy for me and it didn't hang on my body well. Though I don't play electric guitar and it was probably not too unlike its close cousins. My sense is that it tracked slightly better than the Multiac as far as my GR-33 was concerned, probably due to fewer acoustic resonances getting in the way. It also had a little better sustain. As for the Multiac, it is much lighter, still hangs a bit awkwardly on my body (I think I'd do better with the Godin Concert Classical as the body joins the neck at the 12th fret rather than the 15th fret) and it has a far superior sound straight off the piezos. Acoustically it is much louder than the ACS which is a drawback if you are using a VG processor with alternate tunings, yet a plus in most other areas. It it made with a spruce soundboard and a nice sized chamber in the center portion. If I was going mostly for the synth access qualities, I'd get the ACS. With it I found that I could get more expressiveness both in tracking, sustain, and amplitude characteristics using the onboard synth of the GR-33. If I was interested in the acoustic qualities of a nylon string guitar blended with synth access, I'd go for the Multiac. Since I find myself blending the two sounds a lot, I'm a happy camper with my Multiac. SVG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 02:52:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05721; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 02:50:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 02:50:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: "Patrick Bolan" , Subject: RE: Percussion on acoustic guitar Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:54:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2B2CB.1E583E40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2B2CB.1E583E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The problem lies with the RC-20. If you are plugging into the Vocal or Guitar Input your sound will suck because the preamps suck and they alter the sound. Also your signal is always passing through the RC-20 even when your not looping still giving you the altered (not desirable) sound. Here's what I did... Buy some kind of a small mixer and submix your guitar and whatever else into it and then out into an A/B box or the white Boss Tuner that mutes when you press on it and then take that into the CD-IN (Mini-plug jack) of the RC-20. That's a line level input so you need the mixer for additional output. That will give a perfect non altered signal...whatever you put in you'll get out. The A/B box or tuner will allow you to mute the signal when you're not recording so you don't get two signals going into the PA. This will solve the problems and make it sound like any of the better loopers. Or buy a the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro and you won't need all that other crap to make it work like it should have in the first place. Good luck... -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Bolan [mailto:pbolan@csiconstruction.com] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 4:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Percussion on acoustic guitar Hi, I need some advice about looping and percussion… I recently saw Phil Keaggy in concert, and he used his acoustic guitar to create clean sharp percussion that simulated the sounds of kick drum or hi-hat as part of the loop (he used a Jamman and Line 6). When I tried it, my percussion sounded extremely muddled. Here’s my question: How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic guitar? I have a Taylor 914ce, with a Fishman under-the-saddle pickup. I am a good guitarist, but just starting to explore looping with a Boss RC-20. Any suggestions about percussion on the body of an acoustic guitar would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance, Patrick in Portland, Oregon. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2B2CB.1E583E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The=20 problem lies with the RC-20. If you are plugging into the Vocal or = Guitar Input=20 your sound will suck because the preamps suck and they alter the=20 sound.
Also=20 your signal is always passing through the RC-20 even when your not = looping still=20 giving you the altered (not desirable) sound.
Here's=20 what I did...
Buy=20 some kind of a small mixer and submix your guitar and whatever else into = it and=20 then out into an A/B box or the white Boss Tuner that mutes when = you press=20 on it and then take that into the CD-IN (Mini-plug jack) of the RC-20. = That's a=20 line level input so you need the mixer for additional output. That will = give a=20 perfect non altered signal...whatever you put in you'll get out. The A/B = box or=20 tuner will allow you to mute the signal when you're not recording so you = don't=20 get two signals going into the PA.
 
This=20 will solve the problems and make it sound like any of the better=20 loopers.
Or buy=20 a the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro and you won't need all that other crap = to make=20 it work like it should have in the first place.
 
Good=20 luck...
 
-Arthur Lee
www.arthurleemusic.com<= /SPAN>
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Bolan=20 [mailto:pbolan@csiconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, January = 02, 2003=20 4:45 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Percussion on acoustic guitar

Hi, I need some advice = about=20 looping and percussion=85

 

I recently saw Phil = Keaggy in=20 concert, and he used his acoustic guitar to create clean sharp = percussion that=20 simulated the sounds of kick drum or hi-hat as part of the loop (he = used a=20 Jamman and Line 6).    When I tried it, my percussion = sounded=20 extremely muddled.  Here=92s my question:

 

How do you get a clean = percussion=20 effects from the body of an acoustic guitar?

 

I have a = Taylor 914ce,=20 with a Fishman under-the-saddle pickup.  I am a good guitarist, = but just=20 starting to explore looping with a Boss RC-20.  Any suggestions = about=20 percussion on the body of an acoustic guitar would be very=20 appreciated.

 

Thanks in=20 advance,

 

Patrick in = Portland,=20 Oregon.

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2B2CB.1E583E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 03:20:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07729; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 03:07:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 03:07:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:07:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [looper's] cheap n' dirty From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E14E53A.1C3601DD@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm. I wonder whether it would work with my 4-track tapes from a circa 1984 Yamaha 4-track. Actually, all I really want is one long enough to digitize less than 10 cassettes. Mark on 1/2/03 5:19 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Actually, I was just about to sell my Yamaha 4 track tape deck. It's the > MTX3 model (http://www.yamaha.com/ycaservice/mp4model/mt3x.htm) and it's a > really nice one. I keep it around because it's a good quality tape deck, > but I just *never* use it. If I get a decent offer (the last one went for > $125 on ebay, I'd let it go for a hundred plus shipping), I'd be happy to > give it up to a good looping home. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 07:56:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24428; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:51:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:51:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Walter_Br=FChn?= , "Ted Hudek" , "Loopers Delight" , "CT-Collective" Subject: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:55:34 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list) December 30, 2002 American Empire as Gated Community by BRIAN ENO The American edition of Time will not be running the piece, as apparently they think that even the mildest criticism from our warmest friends will be too much for a U.S. audience to handle. B. Eno "Europeans have always looked at America with a mixture of fascination and puzzlement, and now, increasingly, disbelief. How is it that a country that prides itself on its economic success could have so many very poor people? How is it that a country so insistent on the rule of law should seek to exempt itself from international agreements? And how is it that the world's beacon of democracy can have elections dominated by wealthy special interest groups? For me, the question has become: "How can a country that has produced so much cultural and economic wealth act so dumb?" I could fill this page with the names of Americans who have influenced, entertained and educated me. They represent what I admire about America: a vigorous originality of thought, and a confidence that things can be changed for the better. That was the America I lived in and enjoyed from 1978 until 1983. That America was an act of faith--the faith that "otherness" was not threatening but nourishing, the faith that there could be a country big enough in spirit to welcome and nurture all the diversity the world could throw at it. But that vision is being eclipsed by a suspicious, introverted America, a country-sized version of that peculiarly American form of ghetto: the gated community. A gated community is defensive. Designed to keep the "others" out, it dissolves the rich web of society into a random clustering of disconnected individuals. It turns paranoia and isolation into a lifestyle. Surely this isn't the America that anyone dreamed of; it's a last resort, nobody's choice. It's especially ironic since so much of the best new thinking about society, economics, politics and philosophy in the last century came from America. Unhampered by the snobbery and exclusivity of much European thought, American thinkers vaulted forward--courageous,innovative and determined to talk in a public language. But, unfortunately, over the same period, the mass media vaulted backwards, thriving on increasingly simple stories and trivializing news into something indistinguishable from entertainment. As a result, a wealth of original and subtle thought--America's real wealth--is squandered. This narrowing of the American mind is exacerbated by the withdrawal of the left from active politics. Virtually ignored by the media, the left has further marginalized itself by a retreat into introspective cultural criticism. It seems content to do yoga and gender studies, leaving the fundamentalist Christian right and the multinationals to do the politics. The separation of church and state seems to be breaking down too. Political discourse is now dominated by moralizing, like George W. Bush's promotion of American "family values" abroad, and dissent is unpatriotic. "You're either with us or against us" is the kind of cant you'd expect from a zealous mullah, not an American president. When Europeans make such criticisms, Americans assume we're envious. "They want what we've got," the thinking goes, "and if they can't get it, they're going to stop us from having it." But does everyone want what America has? Well, we like some of it but could do without the rest: the highest rates of violent crime, economic inequality, functional illiteracy, incarceration and drug use in the developed world. President Bush recently declared that the U.S. was "the single surviving model of human progress". Maybe some Americans think this self-evident, but the rest of us see it as a clumsy arrogance born of ignorance. Europeans tend to regard free national health services, unemployment benefits, social housing, and so on as pretty good models of humanprogress. We think it's important--civilized, in fact--to help people who fall through society's cracks. This isn't just altruism, but an understanding that having too many losers in society hurts everyone. It's better for everybody to have a stake in society than to have a resentful underclass bent on wrecking things. To many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, the nanny state. But so what? The result is: Europe has less crime and less poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. Too often, the U.S. presents the "American way" as the only way, insisting on its kind of free market Darwinism as the only acceptable" model of human progress." But isn't civilization what happens when people stop behaving as if they're trapped in a ruthless Darwinian struggle and start thinking about communities and shared futures? America as a gated community won't work, because not even the world's sole superpower can build walls high enough to shield itself from the intertwined realities of the 21st century. There's a better form of security: reconnect with the rest of the world, don't shut it out; stop making enemies and start making friends. Perhaps it's asking a lot to expect America to act differently from all the other empires in history, but wasn't that the original idea?" Brian Eno is a musician who believes that regime change begins at home. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 08:10:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26321; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:06:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103130549.23928.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 05:05:49 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. John --- Michael Peters wrote: > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list) > > > December 30, 2002 > > American Empire as Gated Community > by BRIAN ENO ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 08:25:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27217; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:23:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:23:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:23:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c2b32b$4c459770$0200a8c0@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20030103130549.23928.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was there that day and I don't and I won't forget! -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. John --- Michael Peters wrote: > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list) > > > December 30, 2002 > > American Empire as Gated Community > by BRIAN ENO ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Isn't the reality and at least partial truth of what Eno said the cause of 9/11?

~Peter.




 
>From: "Alan Kroeger"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community
>Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:23:25 -0500
>
>I was there that day and I don't and I won't forget!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:06 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community
>
>
>I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest
>of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this.
>
>John
>
>
>--- Michael Peters wrote:
> > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list)
> >
> >
> > December 30, 2002
> >
> > American Empire as Gated Community
> > by BRIAN ENO
>
>
>
>=====
>John Tidwell
>
>
>
>
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Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 09:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30696; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:22:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:22:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.154.86.12] From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:21:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_6cd_58af_1162" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2003 14:21:30.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[68EF1C40:01C2B333] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_6cd_58af_1162 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed yes, funny how the american media is completely silent about the fact that the U.S. armed and trained both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. I'm particularly struck by the irony of how Donald Rumsfeld is going on about Saddam's evil "weapons of mass destruction" when he himself was not only instrumental in giving those weapons to him during the Iran/Iraq conflict, but recently released documents prove that he and the rest of his cabal knew that Iraq was using chemical warfare on Iranian civilians at the time. but by saying that, I'm probably now 1) "unamerican", and 2) on an FBI list of possible terrorists. >From: "water cat" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community >Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:15:21 -0600 > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------=_NextPart_000_6cd_58af_1162 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from mc8-f29.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.165]) by mc8-s19.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:16:06 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc8-f29.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:16:06 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30369; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:15:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:15:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.94.223.49] From: "water cat" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:15:21 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2003 14:15:22.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D5C5350:01C2B332] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Isn't the reality and at least partial truth of what Eno said the cause of 9/11?

~Peter.




 
>From: "Alan Kroeger"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community
>Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:23:25 -0500
>
>I was there that day and I don't and I won't forget!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:06 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community
>
>
>I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest
>of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this.
>
>John
>
>
>--- Michael Peters wrote:
> > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list)
> >
> >
> > December 30, 2002
> >
> > American Empire as Gated Community
> > by BRIAN ENO
>
>
>
>=====
>John Tidwell
>
>
>
>
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Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------=_NextPart_000_6cd_58af_1162-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 09:47:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31709; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:42:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:42:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulrichard10@attbi.com Message-Id: <200301031442.JAA31688@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:42:20 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: UGF1bHJpY2hhcmQxMEBhdHRiaS5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << To many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, the nanny state. But so what? The result is: Europe has less crime and less poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. >> That's how the 'proles' are kept in line. "Surely, comrades. Surely, you don't want Jones back" said one of the pigs in Orwell's ANIMAL FARM. I.e., if one can make an assertion that a social program engenders socialism or even Communism... The oldest trick in the book. Not as old as the world's oldest professin, though. > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list) > > > December 30, 2002 > > American Empire as Gated Community > by BRIAN ENO > > The American edition of Time will not be running the piece, as > apparently they think that even the mildest criticism from our warmest > friends will be too much for a U.S. audience to handle. B. Eno > > > > "Europeans have always looked at America with a mixture of fascination > and puzzlement, and now, increasingly, disbelief. How is it that a > country that prides itself on its economic success could have so many > very poor people? > > How is it that a country so insistent on the rule of law should seek to > exempt itself from international agreements? And how is it that the > world's beacon of democracy can have elections dominated by wealthy > special interest groups? For me, the question has become: "How can a > country that has produced so much cultural and economic wealth act so > dumb?" > > I could fill this page with the names of Americans who have influenced, > entertained and educated me. They represent what I admire about > America: a vigorous originality of thought, and a confidence that > things can be changed for the better. > > That was the America I lived in and enjoyed from 1978 until 1983. That > America was an act of faith--the faith that "otherness" was not > threatening but nourishing, the faith that there could be a country big > enough in spirit to welcome and nurture all the diversity the world > could throw at it. But that vision is being eclipsed by a suspicious, > introverted America, a country-sized version of that peculiarly > American form of ghetto: the gated community. > > A gated community is defensive. Designed to keep the "others" out, it > dissolves the rich web of society into a random clustering of > disconnected individuals. It turns paranoia and isolation into a > lifestyle. > > Surely this isn't the America that anyone dreamed of; it's a last > resort, nobody's choice. It's especially ironic since so much of the > best new thinking about society, economics, politics and philosophy in > the last century came from America. Unhampered by the snobbery and > exclusivity of much European thought, American thinkers vaulted > forward--courageous,innovative and determined to talk in a public > language. > > But, unfortunately, over the same period, the mass media vaulted > backwards, thriving on increasingly simple stories and trivializing > news into something indistinguishable from entertainment. As a result, > a wealth of original and subtle thought--America's real wealth--is > squandered. > > This narrowing of the American mind is exacerbated by the withdrawal of > the left from active politics. Virtually ignored by the media, the left > has further marginalized itself by a retreat into introspective > cultural criticism. It seems content to do yoga and gender studies, > leaving the fundamentalist Christian right and the multinationals to do > the politics. > > The separation of church and state seems to be breaking down too. > Political discourse is now dominated by moralizing, like George W. > Bush's promotion of American "family values" abroad, and dissent is > unpatriotic. "You're either with us or against us" is the kind of cant > you'd expect from a zealous mullah, not an American president. > > When Europeans make such criticisms, Americans assume we're envious. > "They want what we've got," the thinking goes, "and if they can't get > it, they're going to stop us from having it." But does everyone want > what America has? Well, we like some of it but could do without the > rest: the highest rates of violent crime, economic inequality, > functional illiteracy, incarceration and drug use in the developed > world. President Bush recently declared that the U.S. was "the single > surviving model of human progress". > > Maybe some Americans think this self-evident, but the rest of us see it > as a clumsy arrogance born of ignorance. > > Europeans tend to regard free national health services, unemployment > benefits, social housing, and so on as pretty good models of > humanprogress. We think it's important--civilized, in fact--to help > people who fall through society's cracks. This isn't just altruism, but > an understanding that having too many losers in society hurts everyone. > It's better for everybody to have a stake in society than to have a > resentful underclass bent on wrecking things. > > To many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, the > nanny state. But so what? The result is: Europe has less crime and less > poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes > a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. > > Too often, the U.S. presents the "American way" as the only way, > insisting on its kind of free market Darwinism as the only acceptable" > model of human progress." But isn't civilization what happens when > people stop behaving as if they're trapped in a ruthless Darwinian > struggle and start thinking about communities and shared futures? > America as a gated community won't work, because not even the world's > sole superpower can build walls high enough to shield itself from the > intertwined realities of the 21st century. > > There's a better form of security: reconnect with the rest of the > world, don't shut it out; stop making enemies and start making friends. > Perhaps it's asking a lot to expect America to act differently from all > the other empires in history, but wasn't that the original idea?" > > > > Brian Eno is a musician who believes that regime change begins at home. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 09:48:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31796; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:44:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:44:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulrichard10@attbi.com Message-Id: <200301031444.JAA31775@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:44:14 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: UGF1bHJpY2hhcmQxMEBhdHRiaS5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest > of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. > > John The 'flame-fest' has nothing to do with this, Mr. Reactionary > I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest > of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. > > John > > > --- Michael Peters wrote: > > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list) > > > > > > December 30, 2002 > > > > American Empire as Gated Community > > by BRIAN ENO > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 09:50:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31989; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulrichard10@attbi.com Message-Id: <200301031446.JAA31968@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:46:02 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: UGF1bHJpY2hhcmQxMEBhdHRiaS5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > but by saying that, I'm probably now 1) "unamerican", and 2) on an FBI list > of possible terrorists. > Plus, you've been flagged in Admiral 'the covicted felon' Poindexter's database. > yes, funny how the american media is completely silent about the fact that > the U.S. armed and trained both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. I'm > particularly struck by the irony of how Donald Rumsfeld is going on about > Saddam's evil "weapons of mass destruction" when he himself was not only > instrumental in giving those weapons to him during the Iran/Iraq conflict, > but recently released documents prove that he and the rest of his cabal knew > that Iraq was using chemical warfare on Iranian civilians at the time. > > but by saying that, I'm probably now 1) "unamerican", and 2) on an FBI list > of possible terrorists. > > > > > > > >From: "water cat" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community > >Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:15:21 -0600 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 10:07:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01912; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:05:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:05:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c2b339$2f999fa0$92e45cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #302 for January 2, 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:01:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3FyX2B.A.yd.HbaF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #302 January 2, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star in the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was "Soundfall to the Infinite" by Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane on the Space for Music label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Irrlicht" by Klaus Schulze on the Ohr label. Brannan Lane http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Sate Ebene Irrlicht (Ohr) Erez Yaary Downfall of a Man Retrospective (none) Eppie E. Hulshof * Floating Waves (Quantum) Douglas Burkett A Comforting Void Alien Radio (Electric Insomniac) Under the Dome C-57D Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Under the Dome Altair IV Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Navigator Leaves on the Line Northern Consequence (Invisible Shadows) Ozone Player Ollism E (Visual Power) 12:00 am Zero Ohms and Beyond Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and The Dream Garden Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and Endless Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and Land of Blue Mist Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and Soundfall Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and To the Infinite Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Deep Unknown" by Brannan Lane and vidnaObmana on the brannanlane.com label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Mirage" by Klaus Schulze on Island Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 10:19:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02544; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:17:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:17:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103151720.61243.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:17:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200301031444.JAA31775@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > > I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest > > of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. > > > > John > > The 'flame-fest' has nothing to do with this, Mr. > Reactionary The flame-fest I was referring to was the one that took place on this very list. And you're right. On the subject of 9-11, I am very much a reactionary. Just as Wilson, FDR, & JFK would have been. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 10:36:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03703; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:35:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:35:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:35:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c2b33d$b01ef130$0200a8c0@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20030103151720.61243.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6-OM2.A.x5.q2aF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lets get back to looping, looping unifies and horrific world events divide us all. I shouldn't have replied earlier to the original message, obviously there are real solutions required to solve the worlds problems and terrorism and war are not a solution maybe a good looping discussion is. Alan Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community --- Paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > > I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest > > of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. > > > > John > > The 'flame-fest' has nothing to do with this, Mr. > Reactionary The flame-fest I was referring to was the one that took place on this very list. And you're right. On the subject of 9-11, I am very much a reactionary. Just as Wilson, FDR, & JFK would have been. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 11:07:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06851; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:05:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:10:25 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com btw, for those who are interested, Eno's article is on a webpage at: http://www.counterpunch.org/eno1230.html -Michael (thanking Eno for speaking out). btw are political articles written by our ambient/loop gods off topic here? maybe, but then it looks like a loop repetition to me that a Bush goes to war against Hussein again - just like 12 years ago. Back then, I recently read, about 500,000 civilians were killed. I'm sure that there are one or two readers of this list here who think it was justified anyway, and would do it again now - after all, hey, a few thousand Americans were brutally killed on 9/11, so anything is justified now, why not kill another 500,000 moslems again, just to show them who is in charge on this planet! Oh my god, I'm starting flame wars again. I'm sorry, really. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 11:51:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09242; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:47:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:47:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:51:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Percussion on acoustic guitar From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030103025149.A920719AEA@www.fastmail.fm> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3124439507_1211767_MIME_Part" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [141.149.184.92] at Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:47:22 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3124439507_1211767_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit don't know if the issue you're asking about is technique or sound reproduction gear, but back when I used to play guitar and do this stuff, I used a combination of hitting the guitar with a ring on my finger for snare hits, the soft bottom of my closed fist for bass drum hits, and knocking with my knuckles and slapping with my palm for other sounds. hitting different parts of the guitar (back of neck, sides, top) yields different sounds. if you can find a video of michael hedges, he does a nice job with these techniques. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net on 1/2/03 9:51 PM, ernesto schnack at schnack@mailbolt.com wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:45:01 -0800, "Patrick Bolan" said: > How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic > guitar? Yeah, I'm on the same boat as you. I have a Rare Earth blend pickup and LR Baggs I-Beam, and the best result has come from using the mic on the rare earth. But even that sounds muffled. The only way to go as far as I can see, is either use a mic onstage or effects (eq, compression, etc...) The best sound I've gotten is using a combination of both pickups and a condenser mic, and then adding a liitle distortion and eq. You can hear the result here: http://zebox.com/a4/schnack_-_coda.mp3 That is recording at home though, I haven't managed to get a good live sound. Ernesto --MS_Mac_OE_3124439507_1211767_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Percussion on acoustic guitar don't know if the issue you're asking about is technique or sound reproduct= ion gear, but back when I used to play guitar and do this stuff, I used a co= mbination of hitting the guitar with a ring on my finger for snare hits, the= soft bottom of my closed fist for bass drum hits, and knocking with my knuc= kles and slapping with my palm for other sounds. hitting different parts of = the guitar (back of neck, sides, top) yields different sounds.

if you can find a video of michael hedges, he does a nice job with these te= chniques.

dan

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on 1/2/03 9:51 PM, ernesto schnack at schnack@mailbolt.com wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:45:01 -0800, "Patrick Bolan" <pbolan@csiconstruction.com> said:
> How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic=
> guitar?

Yeah, I'm on the same boat as you.  I have a Rare Earth blend pickup a= nd
LR Baggs I-Beam, and the best result has come from using the mic on the
rare earth. But even that sounds muffled.  The only way to go as far a= s I
can see, is either use a mic onstage or effects (eq, compression, etc...) The best sound I've gotten is using a combination of both pickups and a condenser mic, and then adding a liitle distortion and eq. You can hear
the result here: http://zebox.com/a4/schnack_-_coda.mp3    T= hat is
recording at home though, I haven't managed to get a good live sound.

Ernesto
  

--MS_Mac_OE_3124439507_1211767_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 12:00:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09870; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:54:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:54:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02ef01c2b348$6b450da0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <009601c2b2bb$64119ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:51:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar > At 7:02 PM -0500 1/2/03, David Beardsley wrote: > > >Where's subscription info for a MIDI gtr list? > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ Thanks! Last week I pulled out my GR1 and found out it still doesn't track well. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 12:01:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10015; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:51:09 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: [looper's] cheap n' dirty To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E15BF7D.262C6F32@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: <445c_C.A.ZcC.CEcF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bet it would. It's got dBX noise reduction. It plays at standard tape speed and double. There was one person who inquired about it before you, so I'd have to let that person have it first if they follow through. Mark Mark Hamburg wrote: > > Hmm. I wonder whether it would work with my 4-track tapes from a circa 1984 > Yamaha 4-track. Actually, all I really want is one long enough to digitize > less than 10 cassettes. > > Mark > > on 1/2/03 5:19 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > Actually, I was just about to sell my Yamaha 4 track tape deck. It's the > > MTX3 model (http://www.yamaha.com/ycaservice/mp4model/mt3x.htm) and it's a > > really nice one. I keep it around because it's a good quality tape deck, > > but I just *never* use it. If I get a decent offer (the last one went for > > $125 on ebay, I'd let it go for a hundred plus shipping), I'd be happy to > > give it up to a good looping home. > > > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 12:21:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12139; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:15:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:15:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:14:50 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Walter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=FChn?= , Ted Hudek , CT-Collective Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:55 PM +0100 1/3/03, Michael Peters wrote: I pretty much agree with Eno. The Middle East situation is in many ways a result of Western imperialism. A little historical review will reveal that the Persia Gulf region was dominated throughout the 20th century by European and America oil companies, with military aid going to those regimes "our" side thought would act as our agents. Last week I was reading an article that was first published in a 1952 issue of Time Magazine, outlining the current situation in the Gulf. One interesting point was that after Iran nationalized their oil production (kicking out the Westerners) a deal was struck with the rulers of Kuwait to up their cut from a nominal 10 cents per barrel to a 50/50 split. Anyone interested in an alternative view of the U.S.'s place in the world may find Noam Chomsky's writings useful. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 13:07:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15454; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:59:34 -0800 Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3124432774_6342663" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3124432774_6342663 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 1/3/03 6:21 AM, jj 179 at jj179subs@hotmail.com wrote: > but by saying that, I'm probably now 1) "unamerican", and 2) on an FBI li= st > of possible terrorists. That=B9s okay. I bought my son some building blocks for Christmas. Since they were in middle eastern shapes, I=B9m sure that information has been recorded somewhere... ;-P Mark --B_3124432774_6342663 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: American Empire as Gated Community on 1/3/03 6:21 AM, jj 179 at jj179subs@hotmail.com wro= te:

but by saying that, I'm probably= now 1) "unamerican", and 2) on an FBI list
of possible terrorists.

That’s okay. I bought my son some bu= ilding blocks for Christmas. Since they were in middle eastern shapes, IR= 17;m sure that information has been recorded somewhere... ;-P

Mark
 --B_3124432774_6342663-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 13:17:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16257; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:15:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:15:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:25:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:55 PM 1/3/2003 +0100, Michael Peters wrote: >American Empire as Gated Community >by BRIAN ENO > > [*snip*] > >....The result is: Europe has less crime and less >poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes >a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. Well, judging from many of the other mailing lists I'm on, there are a whole lotsa people out there who are actively making/have made plans to get some of what they've got -- or, in other words, expatriate their families out of the US. Although, to be fair, Europe and Canada seem to be running about neck & neck in the race for favorite expat destination. For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper will actually make a decent home in real life. We're shooting for the EU in early 2004... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 13:31:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16763; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:26:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:26:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:26:18 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E15D5CA.949CFC5B@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My gf/partner and I are planning on Oaxaca, Mexico by mid-94. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first > "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper > will actually make a decent home in real life. We're shooting for the EU > in early 2004... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 13:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16894; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:28:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030103113150.00b65650@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:31:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: $14,000 for Dennis Taffes' excellent CD In-Reply-To: <005501c2b2bf$28e52a00$2961f93f@global> References: <200301021655.LAA01545@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* Yeah Rick!, I was thinkin' about pullin' all my pics from my website and posting -em up on ebay too! lol! Smiles, Cara At 04:29 PM 1/2/03 -0800, you wrote: >jeez louise, Dennis, > >I sell my CDs numbered and autographed for $15 on Loopers Delight. > >Maybe I ought to up my prices. > >What do you think guys? > >In the loopers delight bargain bin: > >CLOSEOUT LOOPING MUSIC SALE > >Rick Walker's Loop.pooL >TRANSLUCENT DAYGLO LIME GREEN PLASTIC > >on sale for a limited time only: $1,500/CD > >get 'em while the gettin's good. > > > > > > >LOL, > >Happy New Year everyone. > >yours, Rick > > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 14:04:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20086; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:00:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:00:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulrichard10@attbi.com Message-Id: <200301031900.OAA20065@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:59:37 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: UGF1bHJpY2hhcmQxMEBhdHRiaS5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, can I borrow that time machine? Heheheh.... > > My gf/partner and I are planning on Oaxaca, Mexico by mid-94. > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first > > "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper > > will actually make a decent home in real life. We're shooting for the EU > > in early 2004... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 14:18:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20751; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:12:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:12:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:07:42 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good general points from Mr Eno(whos "Apollo, Atmospheres and soundtracks" is one of my all time favorites and makes a great soundtrack for isolation tank flotation, BTW), minus a road map except the allusion to regime change(although that's a loop without system change), he's done some great things but still needs to check his bias. Middle eastern people don't need to be (further) painted as caricatures of small minded, poorly thought out, instant gratification seeking, revenge and payback oriented dehumanized "others" any more than the largerly zionist media in this country does every day. > "You're either with us or against us" is the kind of cant > you'd expect from a zealous mullah, not an American president. It's the same kind of crap that was done to the italians, irish,blacks, hispanics, american indians, asians, and everyone else. Not a rite of passage, but an unneccesary testament to something very wrong. Fat phases of media pimped bias followed by abuse, discrimination and violence, followed by eventual integration and on to the next victim/group. This is one loop it would be great to see us fade and move beyond. glenn javaheri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 14:37:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22371; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:33:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:33:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:31:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7JmI4D.A.ddF.-VeF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This is one loop it would be great to see us fade and move beyond. Very much so. And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism. Please be careful. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 14:57:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24028; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:55:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:55:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:54:12 -0800 Message-ID: <00b201c2b361$e36d35a0$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism. Please be careful. =============================================== My biggest fear is this sentiment will lead to more and more lemming-like behaviour for fear of being 'caught'. Philip K. Dick got it right... A final little overdub before fade out... Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:10:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27659; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:07:27 -0800 Message-ID: <00b301c2b363$bd39c810$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00b201c2b361$e36d35a0$6601a8c0@neil> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Philip K. Dick got it right... ======================================================== That refers to the new Information Awareness Office (file this under truth is stranger than fiction) Great essay on this: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/?021209ta_talk_hertzberg NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:17:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28196; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:15:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:15:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:18:37 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:31 PM -0500 1/3/03, Tom Ritchford wrote: >And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government >remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and >the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism. >Please be careful. Oh yeah? Well FUCK George W. Bush...and his little dog too! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:25:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28643; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:21:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:21:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:22:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really want to move out of the U.S. Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to ever be fixed and that democracy is long dead. However, unless you've got a company that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very difficult to move these days. Any tips? Anyone want to sponsor to very skilled, hard working computer graphics/animation/music people? Can we seek political asylum? I hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding weapons." and then I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into American US forces radio. Makes me physically ill. I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat. Mark Sottilaro Catilyne wrote: > At 01:55 PM 1/3/2003 +0100, Michael Peters wrote: > > >American Empire as Gated Community > >by BRIAN ENO > > > > [*snip*] > > > >....The result is: Europe has less crime and less > >poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes > >a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. > > Well, judging from many of the other mailing lists I'm on, there are a > whole lotsa people out there who are actively making/have made plans to get > some of what they've got -- or, in other words, expatriate their families > out of the US. Although, to be fair, Europe and Canada seem to be running > about neck & neck in the race for favorite expat destination. > > For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first > "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper > will actually make a decent home in real life. We're shooting for the EU > in early 2004... > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:27:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28811; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:23:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:23:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:22:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 2:31 PM -0500 1/3/03, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >>And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government >>remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and >>the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism. >>Please be careful. > >Oh yeah? Well FUCK George W. Bush...and his little dog too! you are all right about this... I'm a little paranoid these days because I'm not a citizen and thus could just... disappear... without anyone having to know! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:28:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29002; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:25:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:25:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E15E3DC.84388C63@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:26:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community References: <00b201c2b361$e36d35a0$6601a8c0@neil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is *exactly* what I mean. If you can't say that you're against the actions of a president in a democracy, then you do not live in a democracy. I thought the U.S. was based on the idea that you didn't have to be careful about your political views. I guess I was wrong. Mark Neil Goldstein wrote: > And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government > remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and > the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism. > Please be careful. > =============================================== > > My biggest fear is this sentiment will lead to more and more > lemming-like behaviour for fear of being 'caught'. Philip K. Dick got > it right... > > A final little overdub before fade out... > > Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:33:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29380; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:28:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:28:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 02:22 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really > want to > move out of the U.S. Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to > ever be > fixed and that democracy is long dead. wow my wife and i have had the same conversation and i seriously looked at moving to the netherlands. i thought about england, but i think they are getting more like the us everyday... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:35:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29545; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:31:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:31:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:30:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat. my sweetie and I have been talking about finding a place away from everything with perhaps a beach and high speed bandwidth and working from there... I'll keep ya posted! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:42:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30063; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c2b367$e3306c00$bf564ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:37:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > wow my wife and i have had the same conversation and i seriously looked > at moving to the netherlands. i thought about england, but i think > they are getting more like the us everyday... Our bizarrely presidential prime-minister would like to think we are, but it's still Gary Coleman putting on gloves and shorts to be like Muhammed Ali... :o) We're a way behind at the moment, thank God... Holland's a great place to go... As would be Berlin. Or try Glasgow - now the Scots have got their own parliment, things up there are a darn sight better than where we're heading... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:49:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30531; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:42:40 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <5iau5B.A.6cH.jZfF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:22 PM -0500 1/3/03, Tom Ritchford wrote: >I'm a little paranoid these days because I'm not a citizen and thus >could just... disappear... without anyone having to know! That's not paranoia - that's legitimate concern. I'm having dinner tonight with some Iranian expatriates. They're wonderful folks who are very happy to be here, and I really worry for them. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:50:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30629; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:46:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:46:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:46:56 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E15F6C0.330CE59@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200301031900.OAA20065@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It took me 20 minutes to realize what you meant! I can't get used to this New Year business...or new Millenium perhaps... Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > Hey, can I borrow that time machine? Heheheh.... > > > > My gf/partner and I are planning on Oaxaca, Mexico by mid-94. > > > > Daryl Shawn > > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > > > > For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first > > > "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper > > > will actually make a decent home in real life. We're shooting for the EU > > > in early 2004... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:57:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31142; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:54:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:54:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E15EA94.BBB2CC7D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:55:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice! Tom Ritchford wrote: > >I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat. > > my sweetie and I have been talking about finding a place > away from everything with perhaps a beach and high speed bandwidth > and working from there... I'll keep ya posted! > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 16:25:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01251; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:23:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:23:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:38:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:21 PM +0000 1/3/03, jj 179 wrote: >yes, funny how the american media is completely silent about the >fact that the U.S. armed and trained both Saddam Hussein and Osama >bin Laden. I'm particularly struck by the irony of how Donald >Rumsfeld is going on about Saddam's evil "weapons of mass >destruction" when he himself was not only instrumental in giving >those weapons to him during the Iran/Iraq conflict, but recently >released documents prove that he and the rest of his cabal knew that >Iraq was using chemical warfare on Iranian civilians at the time. > Anyone who read the New York Times was aware of it when it happened. But this is getting too OT -- Happy 2003, only prime year of the decade! Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 16:40:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02042; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:37:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:37:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E1601F0.60F75B8F@ubuibi.org> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:34:40 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------64A3592AC79EE16FE871D878" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------64A3592AC79EE16FE871D878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well at least it's an interesting time to be here. join the fight...(mark knows what i mean others may want to check the glowing bush head on our site...ubuibi.org) locally (alameda) tuesdays & thursdays there is an ongoing peace vigil from the h.s.students in front of city hall, we've been joining them. most of the battle is education of the mass of sheep out there and speaking of gated communities....one third of america is now over 60 in ten years it will be half...boy are we going to have gate within gate then. [Image] sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really want to > move out of the U.S. Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to ever be > fixed and that democracy is long dead. However, unless you've got a company > that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very difficult to move > these days. Any tips? Anyone want to sponsor to very skilled, hard working > computer graphics/animation/music people? Can we seek political asylum? I > hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding weapons." and then > I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into American US > forces radio. Makes me physically ill. > > I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat. > > Mark Sottilaro > > --------------64A3592AC79EE16FE871D878 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------7499BE2FDC05EF2200959497" --------------7499BE2FDC05EF2200959497 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well at least it's an interesting time to be here.
join the fight...(mark knows what i mean others may want to check the glowing bush head on our site...ubuibi.org)
locally (alameda) tuesdays & thursdays there is an ongoing peace vigil from the h.s.students in front of city hall, we've  been joining them.
most of the battle is education of the mass of sheep out there

and speaking of gated communities....one third of america is now over 60 in ten years it will be half...boy are we going to have gate within gate then.

sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:

My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really want to
move out of the U.S.  Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to ever be
fixed and that democracy is long dead.  However, unless you've got a company
that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very difficult to move
these days.  Any tips?  Anyone want to sponsor to very skilled, hard working
computer graphics/animation/music people?  Can we seek political asylum?  I
hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding weapons." and then
I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into American US
forces radio.  Makes me physically ill.

I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat.

Mark Sottilaro
 
 

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--------------64A3592AC79EE16FE871D878-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 16:50:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02733; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:48:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:48:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E1604AF.9777085B@ubuibi.org> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:46:23 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at and speaking of wtc....we were in europe when it happened and no one there we met thought that 'america' had been attacked, just the two symbols for the corporate shit engulfing us and the u.s. war machine bully From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 16:51:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02804; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:49:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:49:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:51:31 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) In-reply-to: <3E1601F0.60F75B8F@ubuibi.org> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> <3E1601F0.60F75B8F@ubuibi.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:34 PM -0800 1/3/03, das wrote: >and speaking of gated communities....one third of america is now >over 60 in ten years it will be half...boy are we going to have gate >within gate then. Half of the human population in our household is over 60. We have two gates on our driveway. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 16:51:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02828; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:49:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:49:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:53:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Michael, for posting this well thought out essay, which I'll be irritating most of my friends with. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 17:03:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04739; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:00:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:00:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:00:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c2b373$7d208790$0200a8c0@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_wwoeB.A.9JB.tfgF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What ever happened to looping here -----Original Message----- From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Thanks, Michael, for posting this well thought out essay, which I'll be irritating most of my friends with. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 17:08:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05279; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:07:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:07:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103220642.43580.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:06:42 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200301032140.QAA02269@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As the question was asked about where would one go if they left the US, here are a few thoughts of mine. Current politics in New Zealand tend towards being interested in what the people are thinking. A land mass the size of California and a population one fifth the size of Los Angeles. The American dollar goes pretty far there. There are some pretty hip communities around Auckland on the north island and Golden Bay on the south island. Australia would be a good choice as well. If big city turns you on, I've heard great things about Brussels. Though economics are tough in Argentina right now, the people are among the greatest I've ever met. I'd seriously consider moving there if I had some sort of plan to make a humble living. Again, the American dollar goes very far there. Canada worked in the 60's and it's still a great place with great people and sensible politics (relatively). You can easily rent a "summer home" there or a "winter retreat" and not raise any eyebrows. Just keep a current drivers license in the States and everyone will think that you live in the US part time as well. For myself, I'll probably stay here in the States. Somebody has to stay behind to counteract all these God-fearing-bible-thumpers... SVG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 17:12:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05569; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:11:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <146.6cafa8d.2b476450@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:10:24 EST Subject: loopers zeitgeist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 
well.....wherever we hold this year's "WORLD LOOPFEST" that's where we should 
all move to.....i decided for the new year to quit watching the news, it is 
making me nuts yet here we are talking about moving out of america on LD (my 
little "escape" universe).....ladies and gentlemen, these are some truely 
weird times, seems ive already "been here, done that" though for a really 
long time AND NOTHING CHANGES.....perhaps it's no longer taking my meds thats 
makin me a little edgy.....i just had a thought (surprise!), what if they 
could just pull the plug on the internet, what if there was no more LD, 
e-mail, news lists, JUST TV would exist and all that would be on would be 
FUCKIN BUSH AND THE FUCKIN BUSH PUPPETS.....is it possible to move far enuf 
away from their dreams of empire.....yikes!......actually, im very happy 
because i do not have to work tonite so im off to throw a few switches and 
begin to make the big NOISE.....a true AMOR-I-CAN.....:).....michael

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I am a bit puzzled.
These public statement about the thinking to expat leaves me puzzled.
Listen: I am french, and I got no real sympathy for some of the event 
some of you seem to live with quite badly.
I made a myself sure to have enough info to be able to start to 
understand a little something.
I did not imagine such a reaction though.
After all, Zappa had this kind of language quite a while ago already 
(and he paid it dearly), but that seemed like middle age...

I see my own country (France) turning not exactly the way I'd like too, 
since the last elections too...
I have been studying recently accounting, economy and financial things 
to try to start 1) keep an eye not to be overwhelmed at what happens,
2) to be able to undersatnd, and make models, and
3) to eventualy be able to draw some not too stupid conclusions, which 
is by far the most difficult.

I have though always been quite admirative of the way americans were by 
far better than anyone when it came to self criticize, and of course 
nowadays let foreigners like me to think american stopped to do this, or 
at least, are impeded is some way to be able to express themself as, if 
I remember well, your first amendment garanties.

To me, these post are quite a breath of fresh air for which I want to 
express gratitude.
It may be silly (I'm sure there are such things everywhere  wouldI  
search on the web) but it is our little community here.
And more than ever, it looks sane, intelligent and thinking.

Thanks to all.

Olivier Malhomme



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>      For myself, I'll probably stay here in the States.  Somebody has to
stay behind to counteract
> all these God-fearing-bible-thumpers...

To be fair, I don't think being God-fearing is the problem - true, a large
portion of the insane right-wing in the US claim a Christian affiliation,
even going so far as to cite it as the inspiration for their bizarre
ideology, but it doesn't take that much of a critique to see that it has
bugger-all to do with the foundational principles of any of the world's
great religions. The religious far-right in the US are about as close to
'true' christianity as the taliban are to true Islam - since when did Jesus
talk about the darwinian onward march of the free-market or the clamp-down
on freedom of speech... I seem to remember blessed are the poor in there
somewhere too...

namaste

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk


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  Not much looping happening down there tough...

  That's why I relocated to Paris France where there is even less...

  




At 10:26 a.m. 03/01/03 -0800, you wrote:
>
>My gf/partner and I are planning on Oaxaca, Mexico by mid-94.
>
>Daryl Shawn
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>
>> For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first
>> "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper
>> will actually make a decent home in real life.  We're shooting for the EU
>> in early 2004...
>
>

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I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?


At 05:00 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, Alan Kroeger wrote:
>What ever happened to looping here
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com] 
>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:53 PM
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>
>Thanks, Michael, for posting this well thought out essay, which I'll 
>be irritating most of my friends with. 

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String gauge is irrelevant to making loop based music.  Use what ever gauge you like.  Larger gauges
generally have better tone, but are harder to play.  Find out what works and just do it.

Mark Sottilaro

Sean Echevarria wrote:

> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?
>
> At 05:00 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, Alan Kroeger wrote:
> >What ever happened to looping here
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com]
> >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:53 PM
> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community
> >
> >
> >Thanks, Michael, for posting this well thought out essay, which I'll
> >be irritating most of my friends with.

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brainstorm~ the ultimate looper.


I would like to loop a cherry sundae, please.


~Peter.










 










>From: Sean Echevarria 

>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community 

>Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:19:03 -0800 

> 

>I want to play loop music on a guitar. What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music? 

> 

> 

>At 05:00 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, Alan Kroeger wrote: 

> >What ever happened to looping here 

> > 

> >-----Original Message----- 

> >From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com] 

> >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:53 PM 

> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

> >Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community 

> > 

> > 

> >Thanks, Michael, for posting this well thought out essay, which I'll 

> >be irritating most of my friends with. 


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We all love, we all get hungry, we all have dreams and desires.  There is no
other country like the USA.  The hope the USA offers is to present to us all
a vision of what could be if/when all the people of the world are mixed and
combined into one society.    However, this hope is often derailed by
insular thinking.

I think we need an amendment to the constitution to require all candidates
for President of the USA to have lived at least 24 contiguous months OUTSIDE
the USA.  After all, if you want to be in charge of a nation whose actions
impacts every other culture on the planet, you better understand a bit about
the rest of the planet!

God bless the much misunderstood and often maligned French for consistently
offering an alternative to Anglo-Saxon predicaments that get the USA and UK
backed against a self-created wall of self-righteousness.  When the you're
looking for a western country where education, healthcare and the quality of
life rivals anything found in the world, vive la France!


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Echevarria" 

> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand 
>and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?

Yes. Orange soap shortwave, but on every third 
full moon of a leap year - always scan the string
with a red piano.


* David Beardsley
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At 10:12 PM +0000 1/3/03, Steve Lawson wrote:

>To be fair, I don't think being God-fearing is the problem...since 
>when did Jesus talk about the darwinian onward march of the 
>free-market or the clamp-down on freedom of speech... I seem to 
>remember blessed are the poor in there somewhere too...

Religion has never of itself been the problem, but the co-option of 
religion by the politically ambitious has commonly led to great 
"evil" (to use their terminology. There are many fine and sincere 
Christians who oppose war and embrace the core teachings of Christ, 
but they are not the ones in charge. I propose adoption of the term 
"Christianist" (cf. "Islamist") to denote those who would pervert 
Christianity for political and economic gain.
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Perhaps totally OT, let's remember, though, that the internet is still
uncensored and the best communication tool available now, but the level of
propaganda going on, and it is far from being new but only getting worse, in
the media in general could be compared to the level of mercantilism in the
music industry. Mostly fabricated myths.
And /t reaction is illuminating in that sense: the politics of fear do work
in shutting down any possible honest debate because it makes us, people,
want to lock ourselves in and voluntarily shut up. /t, do not worry, there
are far, far more dissident people speaking up and they're not yet shut
down, nor easily prosecuted: they are just denied access to mass mediaŠ
And certainly every artist bears some form of social responsibility, as Mr.
Eno seems to show. So a LD list is not necessarily a bad place to digress a
couple of times, especially when one realizes what is at stakes these daysŠ
How people do not run screaming in the streets, I do not comprehend.
In my view Mr. Eno's article definitely has some virtues, but is far limited
compared to what specialists and scholars like Noam Chomsky, Derrick Jensen,
John Zerzan, Ward Churchill and many others have been, and still are more
than ever, saying for years.
And yes propaganda is a chatty loop that repeats over and over andŠ never
fades.






EtcŠ

Respectfully,

-- 
Laurent

laurentbrondel@earthlink.net
http://www.laurentbrondel.com

"To know and not to do is not to know."
Wang Yang Ming


> Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community
> 
>> This is one loop it would be great to see us fade and move beyond.
> 
> Very much so.
> 
> And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government
> remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and
> the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism.
> Please be careful.
> 
>    /t
> -- 
> 
> http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday!
> http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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Same here, and probably for a lot of expatriates for whom it is an option to
move out of the US. But can't we be more useful in the still relatively
comfortable belly of the beast?
Although these days, in paying taxes in the US, I do not see schools,
low-income housing or even some music research in Universities. No, what I
see are US bombs falling on civilians, huge subsidies for corporations, new
US jails and so onŠ
But I wouldn't want to pay taxes in the UK or France eitherŠ

Laurent



> From: "mr.monk" 
> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:28:56 -0500
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> 
> On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 02:22 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> 
>> 
>> My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really
>> want to
>> move out of the U.S.  Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to
>> ever be
>> fixed and that democracy is long dead.
> 
> 
> wow my wife and i have had the same conversation and i seriously looked
> at moving to the netherlands.  i thought about england, but i think
> they are getting more like the us everyday...

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At 05:42 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, David Beardsley wrote:


----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Sean Echevarria" <sean_@mindspring.com>


> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand 

>and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?


Yes. Orange soap shortwave, but on every third 

full moon of a leap year - always scan the string

with a red piano.





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Mark dude!  I was expecting something a little different from you...


At 02:35 PM 2003/01/03 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>String gauge is irrelevant to making loop based music.  Use what ever gauge you like.  Larger gauges
>generally have better tone, but are harder to play.  Find out what works and just do it.
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>Sean Echevarria wrote:
>
>> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?
>>
>> At 05:00 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, Alan Kroeger wrote:
>> >What ever happened to looping here
>> >

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At 12:22 PM 1/3/2003 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really want to
>move out of the U.S.  Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to ever be
>fixed and that democracy is long dead.  However, unless you've got a company
>that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very difficult to move
>these days.  Any tips?  Anyone want to sponsor to very skilled, hard working
>computer graphics/animation/music people?  Can we seek political asylum?  I
>hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding weapons." and then
>I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into American US
>forces radio.  Makes me physically ill.
>
>I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat.

Mark,

That's exactly the way my wife and I have felt for quite a while.  I spent 
12 years during the 80's/90's doing my part for democracy and 'fighting the 
system'.  By the last few years though, I was waking up every morning 
thinking "I've *got* to get out this frickin' country before it drives me 
nuts".  Unfortunately, I never did.  And while things had seemed to get 
better over the past few years, it all came rushing back again after the 
last election.

As for jobs, a lot of countries are making exceptions for computer and 
technical professions in particular.  Give some thought to which country 
you'd like to look at, and I can probably find some job links.  You can 
probably get a rough idea by doing searches over in the global gateway at 
Monster (http://international.monster.com).  You can also get some tips to 
start a general expat search at Escape from America 
(http://www.escapeartist.com) as well.

And regarding political asylum, I've thought about the same possibility 
previously.  Really, I think you might be able to make a case, but I don't 
know that anyone from here in the States has tried before.  It would 
certainly be an embarrassment to the administration (bonus!).  Generally, 
however, most of the countries that regularly act as asylums for the 
downtrodden and oppressed (the Netherlands, for instance) require that 
those requesting asylum be in imminent danger to life or liberty.  I can 
definitely see where an American Muslim (or other alternative religion) may 
be able to make a case.  Likewise if Ashcroft and company continue on their 
current course (i.e. detention camps for all...) one may be able to make a 
similar argument as a political dissident.

It's going to vary from country to country, but let me know offline if you 
want to explore the possibility, and I'll see if I can scare up some more 
resources.

         -c-

_____
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On this theme, there are some fantastic resources/book recommendations and
weblinks over at http://www.spearheadvibrations.com - not to mention the
remarkable social and political content of Spearhead's music anyway.

Cheers

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk
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having your life together does"
M Franti, 1992"


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>If you can't say that you're against the
>actions of a president in a democracy, then you do not live in a
>democracy.

This is surely one of the most powerful, direct, cogent and succinct ways 
I've heard this put. I've been trying to say exactly that ever since 9/11.

Pardon me for gushing but I have to admit a rush of warm feeling and 
gratitude at everyone's insightful, sensitive replies to this issue. This 
could definitely be fodder for flame wars, and as such I probably should not 
have replied as I did in the first place; but the thoughtful, intelligent 
comments everyone has made have reaffirmed my belief in this tiny community. 
And that's not just because most of the sentiment expressed happens to agree 
with my take on things.

I feel for a moment as if I'm back in grad school, experiencing one of those 
positive "universality" bonding moments from a mock therapy group.

=)

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Hey Mark,

is there any way to swap citizenship? I'd gladly exchange my German
citizenship for your US American one without further thought (thought about
this enough already, that is). Perhaps I can tell you a few points which are
so terribly wrong in Germany, it makes me puke every day:

	* We did learn in school that for a democracy, we need three powers
(legislative, executive and judicative
	  powers) which are independent of each other. In Germany, the legislative
elects the executive, which in
	  turn decides about the judicative...

	* Germany is called "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" (short "BRD"), which
translates to Federal Republic of 	  Germany. Yet the BRD/FRG is not a bit
more federal than the DDR/GDR (German Democratic Republic) was
democratic.

	* The income, pensions and other services available to politicians give you
a reason to become one alone,
	  especially if you're underqualified, stupid and detest hard work. This
may be the case in other countries,
	  too, but it is the worst in Germany (compare i.e. the salaries of
politicians internationally). Whats more,
	  with about one third of the US Government, we have roughly twice the
amount of congressmen...

	* The last twenty years (resulting from the last two governments, with the
second still in power) were the
	  worst in the history of Germany since Adolf Hitler. Politicans of any
camp have excelled each other in
	  acting strictly against the recommendations of leading economists and
other scientists.

	* I don't know how this works in the U.S. (I had noticed the massive media
coverage of the trials against
	  policemen beating up African Americans et al.), but it works like this in
Germany. If a police officer
	  shoots an innocent citizen for no apparent reason, the D.A. won't even
investigate the case.

Enough already? More details about one of the great countries in Europe
off-list, if desired. So please, all of you always keep in mind: the place
you live in only looks so bad to you because you live close enough to notice
all of the hidden dark sides. If you're a citizen of the U.S. with a job, I
can't see any reason to move at least to most parts of Europe (including
Germany, France, Italy, England and Spain).

Personally, I do have a language problem with a lot of countries (meaning I
don't speak their language), so countries like Sweden, Finnland etc. are
more or less out of the question. What remains (counting out the countries
mentioned above for being crap too) is perhaps Swizerland?

	Rainer

Rainer Straschill
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
> Sent: Freitag, 3. Januar 2003 20:22
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated
> Community)
>
>
> My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we
> really want to
> move out of the U.S.  Frankly, we feel the system is too
> broken to ever be
> fixed and that democracy is long dead.  However, unless
> you've got a company
> that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very
> difficult to move
> these days.  Any tips?  Anyone want to sponsor to very
> skilled, hard working
> computer graphics/animation/music people?  Can we seek
> political asylum?  I
> hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding
> weapons." and then
> I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into
> American US
> forces radio.  Makes me physically ill.
>
> I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> Catilyne wrote:
>
> > At 01:55 PM 1/3/2003 +0100, Michael Peters wrote:
> >
> > >American Empire as Gated Community
> > >by BRIAN ENO
> > >
> > >         [*snip*]
> > >
> > >....The result is: Europe has less crime and less
> > >poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S.,
> which makes
> > >a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got.
> >
> > Well, judging from many of the other mailing lists I'm on,
> there are a
> > whole lotsa people out there who are actively making/have
> made plans to get
> > some of what they've got -- or, in other words, expatriate
> their families
> > out of the US.  Although, to be fair, Europe and Canada
> seem to be running
> > about neck & neck in the race for favorite expat destination.
> >
> > For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family
> on its first
> > "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that
> look good on paper
> > will actually make a decent home in real life.  We're
> shooting for the EU
> > in early 2004...
> >
> >          -c-
> >
> > _____
> > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
> >                                                  -recoil
>
>


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Please unsubscribe me.  Your list is populated by the most scurrilous of
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----- Original Message ----- 
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> Please unsubscribe me.  Your list is populated by the most scurrilous of
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You forgot to change the subject to unsubscribe,
it's the only way to leave the list.  ;)

dB

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Thanks for sharing this Karen, nonetheless.  One wonders if BE hasn't been
spending too much time [a] in LA, or [b] around Bono.  It brings to mind
also the image of  a pioneer in ambient landscapes being also affected by
the landscapes he inhabits.  I won't go on at length about it, as it's quite
futile if not bad manners to argue politics on a newsletter not on the topic
of same.  As a US citizen and UK resident, I find the kind of extreme
business BE is spouting here quite ordinary if not altogether boring, as
such opinions are quite popular in the UK with the Labour intelligencia and
wannabe glitterati as well.  The anti-American sentiment on the part of the
British press is fairly commonplace and pretty much taken for granted.  On
9-11 the BBC didn't begin to fully report on the WTC atrocities, until the
second tower fell, and it was known British citizens were involved.  As if
it made a difference!

> Brian Eno is a musician who believes that regime change begins at home.

He should start at home, which the last time I checked is no utopian
paradise, but rather a bad socialistic wet dream that survives solely on the
resiliance and creativity of its people.  To paraphrase Byron, the American
people have a fatal affectation for all things British - and in many
respects the inverse is true as well.  Play a Blues song in the midst of a
set here, no matter what kind of music you're playing, and the crowd goes
wild.

Most British folks including my wife don't know much about America despite
the ongoing good relations between the two countries' citizens (not just
their governments).  Blair's pretty much a lapdog for anyone in the White
House, and most Americans somehow don't get this, instead having been
presented a picture of loyalty and cross-Atlantic brotherhood via No.10
through the US media.  The UK is xenophobic beyond the understanding of even
the KKK, though most Americans know or hear nothing of it, and the press
hardly reports it unless it happens in a spectacular way.  A trip to a
football match - anywhere in the UK - will treat one to a stream of racist
invective the likes of which would have people in jail in the US.  It's not
just a "hooligan issue", folks.  And it doesn't just happen in the UK.
Mercy sakes!  It's not an egalitarian utopia?  The horror!

Perspective is a marvelous thing.  One is certainly entitled to their
opinion, and I will defend always one's right to express it.  I couldn't
however stay silent and allow the single opinion of a single person be
presented as if it is a norm, especially as it comes from an extremely
limited scope of experience and information.  I would put it to all that
British people have no more idea as to what it's like to be American, than
Americans have an idea as to what it's like to be British.  Though many
Americans would no doubt find the old argument about an American "Empire"
not only boring, but also inaccurate and, in this case, just bad mirroring.
So, start at home, Brian, in what used to be an Empire.  There's still a
load of work for you to do in the UK, if you really want to do something on
that level.

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SVG makes some excellent points below, so rather than reply to another six 
messages, I'll just compile my thoughts with his.  This is based on some of 
the information I've snarfed from a couple years research, but is not 
necessarily firsthand (or in other words, I ain't actually visited these 
places myself).  Therefore, YMMV, all standard disclaimers apply, 
yaddayaddayadda...

Oaxaca, Mexico: Daryll, I can't believe you brought up Oaxaca in 
particular.  For years, I had a friend who was born and raised in Oaxaca 
(unfortunately, I knew him through my ex- so I've lost contact long 
since).  By all accounts, the words "tropical paradise" were coined for 
just such places.

New Zealand: Good investment if you can save up some cash and use $US 
Dollars to purchase property before expatriating.  Don't know how 
employment pays if you're working for Kiwi company however.

Australia: I've heard inflation is out of control for the time being, and 
everything costs way too much unless you're working for a company paying 
you in $USD.

Brussels: Nice city, but you've got to work around language quirks (the job 
you get may require Flemish, or Francais, or both), and the taxes are some 
of the worst I've come across.  Also, most of the expat boards seem much 
more concerned than most with employment, so it sounds as if getting a job 
may be pretty difficult.

Argentina: Lots of the expat advisors are screaming "buy, buy, buy" in 
regard to Argentinian property, citing the exact same arguments SVG just 
did.  A great deal right now, and everybody feels the economy is going to 
bounce back just fine.  It's just going to take a little time.

Canada: I've already got friends who have made the move to both Toronto and 
Vancouver.  I've been up to Toronto several times myself, and it's a kewl 
city filled with nice people.  Canada's a good option for those who don't 
want to deal with major language or culture issues.  Not to mention after 3 
years residence, you can apply for citizenship, then move to a nice 
Carribean paradise without having to pay any taxes back to your new home 
country.  FYI, the US is one of the few countries in the world where you 
have to pay taxes back to the US no matter where in the world you actually 
earn the income (the only other countries who do this are typically 
well-known bastions of human rights... like Libya).

The Netherlands: This is where we first started investigating, since 
Holland has a great record with tolerance, equality, and human rights.  To 
paraphrase something I've heard Rick Steves actually say on one of his 
programs, "the Americans I know who have relocated to the Netherlands are 
some of the happiest Americans I have ever known."  This only moved down 
our personal list of countries because my wife and I intend to have a large 
family.  Since the Netherlands is the most densely populated country in all 
Europe, finding a nice roomy house that will comfortably support a family 
with at least five kids is not easy -- or cheap.

France: I'm sure there are lots of people who can speak firsthand on living 
in France.  While we've got a real draw to the country itself (property 
costs in Southern France are at an all time low, as well as Paris probably 
being one of the easier places for me to find a job), the politics seem to 
be following the United States' lead in rolling back privacy and 
rights.  Although it would still be an improvement over where we are now.

Cyprus & Greece: Nice vacation destinations, perhaps great for a summer 
home.  However, not much hope of making a decent wage on Cyprus, and Greece 
would draft me.  'Nuff said...

Central Europe: This is where we're actually visiting at the end of this 
month.  First choice for us (on paper at least) is Budapest.  Hungary seems 
to be doing best of the former Eastern Block, property is reasonably 
priced, and if you can pick up a job with an International company, the 
exchange rate means you can live very comfortably.  It looks to be a really 
beautiful city as well, but I guess we'll find out in a couple of 
weeks.  Prague, Czech Republic is second choice.  There seem to be more 
jobs available in Prague, but they don't look as if they pay as well as 
Budapest.  Also, I've heard that you can't spit in Prague without hitting 
an expat (someone actually told me that there are more expatriates there 
than Paris).

Ummm, boy, I really went on there for a bit didn't I?  Okay, I'll try to 
shut up now for a little while...  ;)

         -c-



At 02:06 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, S V G wrote:

>      As the question was asked about where would one go if they left the 
> US, here are a few thoughts of mine.
>
>      Current politics in New Zealand tend towards being interested in 
> what the people are thinking.  A land mass the size of California and a 
> population one fifth the size of Los Angeles.  The American dollar goes 
> pretty far there.  There are some pretty hip communities around Auckland 
> on the north island and Golden Bay on the south island.
>
>      Australia would be a good choice as well.
>
>      If big city turns you on, I've heard great things about Brussels.
>
>      Though economics are tough in Argentina right now, the people are 
> among the greatest I've ever met.  I'd seriously consider moving there if 
> I had some sort of plan to make a humble living. Again, the American 
> dollar goes very far there.
>
>      Canada worked in the 60's and it's still a great place with great 
> people and sensible politics (relatively).  You can easily rent a "summer 
> home" there or a "winter retreat" and not raise any eyebrows.  Just keep 
> a current drivers license in the States and everyone will think that you 
> live in the US part time as well.
>
>      For myself, I'll probably stay here in the States.  Somebody has to 
> stay behind to counteract all these God-fearing-bible-thumpers...
>
>          SVG
>
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> We all love, we all get hungry, we all have dreams and desires.  There is
no
> other country like the USA.  The hope the USA offers is to present to us
all
> a vision of what could be if/when all the people of the world are mixed
and
> combined into one society.    However, this hope is often derailed by
> insular thinking.
>
> I think we need an amendment to the constitution to require all candidates
> for President of the USA to have lived at least 24 contiguous months
OUTSIDE
> the USA.

I'd append to that by saying "and outside a university system."  It'd mean
they'd see the way the real world lives.

S.P. Goodman
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Even though a few are unsubscribing, etc., the posts on this website suggest
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!?  Why?  Have I shown an alliance to a gauge of string or any other
piece of gear in the past?  Work with what you know/have/like and make
nice music.  Sure, I have opinions, but to suggest there is a brand and
gauge of strings that works better is silly.

Mark Sottilaro

Sean Echevarria wrote:
> 
> Mark dude!  I was expecting something a little different from you...
> 
> At 02:35 PM 2003/01/03 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> >String gauge is irrelevant to making loop based music.  Use what ever gauge you like.  Larger gauges
> >generally have better tone, but are harder to play.  Find out what works and just do it.
> >
> >Mark Sottilaro
> >
> >Sean Echevarria wrote:
> >
> >> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?
> >>
> >> At 05:00 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, Alan Kroeger wrote:
> >> >What ever happened to looping here
> >> >

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No, no, no - you took me seriously.  I would have expected you to take me to task for posting such an inane question.  

Note that I asked about loop music as if it was a genre like nu-metal.  
Note that I brought up guitar strings, a topic that is generally maligned on this list, the prototypical bad topic - almost moreso than political diatribes.

:)


At 07:37 PM 2003/01/03 -0800, Mark wrote:
>!?  Why?  Have I shown an alliance to a gauge of string or any other
>piece of gear in the past?  Work with what you know/have/like and make
>nice music.  Sure, I have opinions, but to suggest there is a brand and
>gauge of strings that works better is silly.
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>Sean Echevarria wrote:
>> 
>> Mark dude!  I was expecting something a little different from you...
>> 
>> At 02:35 PM 2003/01/03 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>> >String gauge is irrelevant to making loop based music.  Use what ever gauge you like.  Larger gauges
>> >generally have better tone, but are harder to play.  Find out what works and just do it.
>> >
>> >Mark Sottilaro
>> >
>> >Sean Echevarria wrote:
>> >
>> >> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?

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...and while you're at it, send the unsubscribe to the correct address
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David Beardsley wrote:
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> 
> > Please unsubscribe me.  Your list is populated by the most scurrilous of
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> > inanities.  Some time must be reserved for intelligent activities, and
> > when the signal-to-noise ratio becomes too poor, it's time to leave.
> 
> You forgot to change the subject to unsubscribe,
> it's the only way to leave the list.  ;)
> 
> dB

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Haha!  OK, you caught me off guard.  My sense of humor has been pretty
stretched these days... with what's going on in the world, and the fact
that I had an unusually difficult vasectomy recently causing me spend a
*lot* of time sitting on ice. (I'm mostly OK now, no need to worry.  I
gave myself a nice present to make loops with while I recovered!)

That being said, I use Steinberger .10s made for the TransTrem system. 
Nice.

Now that we know most of us generally are unhappy with the polititions,
let's get back to more talk of looping!  My wife got me the new KAOSS
Pad II for christmas and it has really nice looping possibilities!  Two
sample memories and the ability to trigger them while in other effect
patches so the effects can be applied to the loops.  Put that in the fx
loop of your Repeater and it's a helluva time!  It's going for $299 US,
but she got it for $260 at the Guitar Center.

Mark Sottilaro


Sean Echevarria wrote:
> 
> No, no, no - you took me seriously.  I would have expected you to take me to task for posting such an inane question.
> 
> Note that I asked about loop music as if it was a genre like nu-metal.
> Note that I brought up guitar strings, a topic that is generally maligned on this list, the prototypical bad topic - almost moreso than political diatribes.
> 
> :)
> 
> At 07:37 PM 2003/01/03 -0800, Mark wrote:
> >!?  Why?  Have I shown an alliance to a gauge of string or any other
> >piece of gear in the past?  Work with what you know/have/like and make
> >nice music.  Sure, I have opinions, but to suggest there is a brand and
> >gauge of strings that works better is silly.
> >
> >Mark Sottilaro
> >
> >Sean Echevarria wrote:
> >>
> >> Mark dude!  I was expecting something a little different from you...
> >>
> >> At 02:35 PM 2003/01/03 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> >> >String gauge is irrelevant to making loop based music.  Use what ever gauge you like.  Larger gauges
> >> >generally have better tone, but are harder to play.  Find out what works and just do it.
> >> >
> >> >Mark Sottilaro
> >> >
> >> >Sean Echevarria wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?

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 Hi,
>
> I was going to post the following on ebay but thought I would give people
on the list first chance. I can only accept paypal for these items as I am
in need of funds quickly. Prices include shippping unless noted and are for
US only. Ok,email me if you have questions about specific item or paypal me
(even better):
>
> 1)Lexicon Jamman with footswitch- 1 rackspace looping processor.Excellent
condition- $425.00 +$10s/h
>
> 2)Marshall JCM30 1x12" all tube 2 ch. combo amp with footswitch, reverb,
EQ,F/X loop, vintage celestion/marshall12"in,unreal sound, clean and and
lead ch. lead ch sounds like jcm800 only smoother but still has that bitting
sound. Lots of gain,newly retubed-$400+$30s/h
>
> 3)IBM 390E Thinkpad laptop with case,PII-300mhz,160mb ram,6gig HD,CD,floppy,56kmodem,active 
matrix screen,wun98se,MSoffice,solid!!-$500.00+$20s/h
>
> 4)Fender dg-5 6 string acoustic guitar  with gig bag- nice sound,excellent
condition, could use action setup -$125.00+$20s/h
>
> 5)Derick Rush electric guitar with hardshell case- formerly a Fender
squire strat, redone by luthier derek rush, includes, 2 humbuckers,1 seymour
duncan jb and 1 59' PAF, 1 tone 1 volume, 3 way switch, maple neck, kahler
locking tremolo and locking tuners, color black with white pickguard. Was my
backup guitar, great strat type tones and great neck pickup tone as well,
only gripe was high e string would slip off the bridge when bent or played
real hard, but then again I am hard on guitars, looks good
cosmetically.Headstock has RUSH Guitars logo as he dressed the neck as
well.-$300.00+$20.00s/h
>
> 6)collapsible 5 guitar stand -padded stand,great for gigs $45+$7.00s/h
>
> 7)Nady wireless ear monitors and reciever- used,but never used by me
anyway-$80.00 +$5.00 s/h
>
> 8)Sure sm57beta microphones-2 mic's excellent conditions,betas version-$180.00+$10s/h 
>
> 9)Pr.of alesis monitor ones and Alesis ra-100 power amp- $325.00+$25.00
s/h
>
> 10)4 peavey speaker/amp stands- heavy duty angled speaker amp
stands,collapsible, wont seperate,heavy duty,can handle heavy
amps-$120.00+$10.00s/h
>
> 11)IBM Thinkpad 380ED Laptop-:pentium166mhz processor,win98, 3gig hd,49mb
ram,CD,floppy,56kmodem, color active matrix screen, includes case-NICE!! not
the fastest around but it is in excellent shape and is solid!!may need new
battery but comes with ac adapter -$400.00+$20s/h
>
> 12)Compaq Presarrio 1230 laptop-:AMD 233mhz processor,win98,96mb ram,3gig
hd,touchpad,cd,jbl speakers built in,floppy,56k modem,color active matrix
screen,includes nice targus case, -may need new battery,but comes with ac
adapter,$475.00+$20s/h
>
> 13)AMEK Tac Scorpion analog 38x8x2 38 ch. mixing console with Acopyian
power supply,6ft long, 4 mic pre's,nice console, shipping is outrageous
though,cost me $500 to get it shipped to me,nice warm tone,awesome
eq's,-$1600.00+buyer arranges and pays for shipping
>
> 14)Danalectro 'chilidog' octave pedal-$20.00+$5.00s/h

15)2 Scholtz 1/2 rackmount stereo chorus units-nice!!will sell individually -$100.00each+$20.00s/h

16)Zoom rythmtrack 123 drum machine-compact,lots of presets,bass and 2 drum tracks-$125.00+$20.00s/h

17)MAckie 1402provlz 14 ch Mixer wih provlz mic pre's-$380+$20s/h

18)3 digitech s200 multif/x studio processors,1 rack sp.,lots of presets,midi,lcd display- $150.00 ea+$20s/h

19)Soundtech m200 1rk space stereo power amp-200 watts solid state,xlr and 1/4" outs,nice!!-$200.00+$20s/h

20)2 Peavy 50/50 rack mount stereo tube power amp-$250.00ea +$30.00s/h

21)skb 10 sp.rack case-$80.00+$20.00 s/h

22)Fisher DVD player-$75.00 +$10.00 s/h

23)2 soundtech 15" &horn pa cabinets-$140.00ea +$30.00 s/h

24)4 Marshall 1922 2x12" celestion70 loaded cabinets,150wts,stereo/mono-$300.00each +$30.00s/h

25)2 Fender 15" &horn high capacity PA cabinets,300wt,600wt-$275.00each+$40s/h

26)ADA 2x10" bass cabinet-bass or full range,carpeted cab-$150+$30.00s/h

27)2 Roland vs-880ex 8trk digital recorders with f/x card-$450.00+$20.00s/h

28)Carver rackmount auto reverse tape deck w/remote-$100.00+$20.00s/h

29)BBE Sonic maimizer stereo 422-,1rack space processor-$75.00+$20.00s/h

30)Rca 4 head hifi VCR-$50+$10.00 s/h

31)umax astra 1200s dewsktop scanner with isa scsi card-$50.00+$20.00s/h

32)Panasonic 4100n laser printer-b/w-$75.00+$20s/h

33)ROcktron hush IICX noise recudtion unit,1 rqack space-$100.00+$20.00s/h

34)Lineartech l100 stereo power amp-500wtper ch.,solid state,class A,hifi, 3 rack space,speaker a/b-$200.00+$20s/h

35)JBL L120 4 way stereo speakers-Vintage JBL flagship model,Mahogany angled,5'height,passive EQ-$2000/pair+freight

36)Lake Butler RFC-1 Midi Mitigator pedalboard- full midi pedalboard with lcd display,includes exp.pedal-$350/$20s/h

37)Peavy tubefex tube/fx processor-24 bit processing,tube guitar preamp,multi fx,tubes run at 280volt-$400/$20s/h

38)zoom 56k PcMCia modem card-$45.00+3.75 s/h


well, I have some other items,but for now that's all. Prices are what I
would like for items, most are fixed,though shoot me an offer if you like.PAypal only as I need the money quickly.Moving must sell.
> Thanks
> Denis
>
> Denis Taaffe
> paypal:dtaaffe@indiana.edu
> http://www.dtguitar.com

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S.P. Goodman wrote,

> The anti-American sentiment on the
> part of the British press is fairly commonplace
> and pretty much taken for granted.


Ah, smelling anti-American sentiments again, eh? Just because someone dares
to criticize - and of course, Eno didn't criticize America as a whole, but
only those who claim to own 'the American spirit', bashing everyone else to
be anti-American. Wake up, man! To be truly American would mean no longer to
blindly follow those religious-conservative hardliners and power-hungry oil
billionaires into a brutal unnecessary war which will be led not for
humanist reasons, but solely for cheap oil and political control over it.

I recommend for you to read Crimson biographer Sid Smith's diary (Jan 3rd
entry) at http://diaries.krimson-news.com/SidSmith.shtml.
Sid writes about Eno's article:

> Dismissing this article as US bashing is to profoundly miss the point. Eno
’s words are equally applicable to the UK.

and:

> To be anti-Bush isn’t to be anti-American

but read for yourself.


= michael peters
= computer graphics + electronic music
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> God bless the much misunderstood and
> often maligned French for consistently
> offering an alternative to Anglo-Saxon
> predicaments that get the USA and UK
> backed against a self-created wall of
> self-righteousness.  When the you're
> looking for a western country where
> education, healthcare and the quality of
> life rivals anything found in the world,
> vive la France!


with all due respect to France, but the French government voted against a
war against Irak not out of humanist reasons, but because the French oil
industry has long-term contracts with Saddam Hussein, giving them cheap
access to the huge amounts of oil that waits to be exploited in the Iraqian
ground - whereas, you guessed it, the US and UK don't have such contracts,
and so they'll have to get access by force. Make no mistake (to use a nice
Bushism), the war will be led because of these reasons only. Cheap oil!
Driving huge oil gulping cars for very little money - that's many Americans'
idea of freedom, and the US economy is in fact based on this idea.


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I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
and wondered if anyone wants to join.

Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS

It'll be neat.

I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy
people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter,
Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure
I could convince into purchasing at least 
a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation.

...........if only Martin Luther King and
Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be
perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that
communitstic rhetoric they  would spout about 
non violence and human dignity...........

.............yeah, some crazy shit.......... 


round and round and round and round and round


loop.pool


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I WILL!

But i live in Norway (as you know) is that a prob???

(ps: to Rick.. got package, sounds good, will get onto venues soon.. few
comments but will mail you shortly...)
...............................
m  a  r  k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
...............................

----- Original Message -----
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> I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
> and wondered if anyone wants to join.
>
> Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
> THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS
>
> It'll be neat.
>
> I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy
> people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter,
> Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure
> I could convince into purchasing at least
> a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation.
>
> ...........if only Martin Luther King and
> Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be
> perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that
> communitstic rhetoric they  would spout about
> non violence and human dignity...........
>
> .............yeah, some crazy shit..........
>
>
> round and round and round and round and round
>
>
> loop.pool
>

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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you love or hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.


                    Show #14                    January 4, 2003.


PLAYLIST:

Phase I/Space:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Craig Padilla           Folding Space            Folding Space and Melting
                                                   Galaxies (Space for Music)
Nebula Drone            Moving Back to Liquid    A Long Fade Into Virtual
                          Dreams                   Light (Space for Music)
Thought Guild           Semiatic Sequence        [context] (HRR)
Under the Dome          Solar Gravity            Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Bjorn Lynne             Crystal Vista            Colony (none)

Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Terry Oldfield          Guardian Angel           Turning Point (New Earth)
Judith Lynne Dunlore    Road to Linsvardoon      Afternoon Shade (SSS)
Antony De Gennaro       Into Forever             Legends in Stone (none)

Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Wayne Lytle             Stick Figures            Animusic (Animusic)
Simon Apple             On the Shoreline         From the Toybox (none)
IZZ                     I Get Lost               Sliver of a Sun (Doone Records)
Spock's Beard           Made Alive/Overture      Snow (Inside Out)
Spock's Beard           Stranger in a Strange    Snow (Inside Out)
                          Land
Spock's Beard           Long Time Suffering      Snow (Inside Out)
Spock's Beard           Welcome to NYC           Snow (Inside Out)
Spock's Beard           Love Beyond Words *      Snow (Inside Out)

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show in one month on January 18.

Bill
===============================================================================
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quote of the week-"But i live in Norway (as you know) is that a prob???" haha dt 8-)

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 8:57 AM
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I WILL!

But i live in Norway (as you know) is that a prob???

(ps: to Rick.. got package, sounds good, will get onto venues soon.. few
comments but will mail you shortly...)
...............................
m  a  r  k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
...............................

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 
To: 
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> I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
> and wondered if anyone wants to join.
>
> Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
> THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS
>
> It'll be neat.
>
> I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy
> people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter,
> Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure
> I could convince into purchasing at least
> a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation.
>
> ...........if only Martin Luther King and
> Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be
> perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that
> communitstic rhetoric they  would spout about
> non violence and human dignity...........
>
> .............yeah, some crazy shit..........
>
>
> round and round and round and round and round
>
>
> loop.pool
>

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damn, you almost made me spit out my chai! lol!

but of course we must have Noam Chomsky on vocals, yes?

=)






>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: 
>Subject: Anyone wanna join my new loop band?
>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 05:43:08 -0800
>
>I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
>and wondered if anyone wants to join.
>
>Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
>THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS
>
>It'll be neat.
>
>I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy
>people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter,
>Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure
>I could convince into purchasing at least
>a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation.
>
>...........if only Martin Luther King and
>Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be
>perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that
>communitstic rhetoric they  would spout about
>non violence and human dignity...........
>
>.............yeah, some crazy shit..........
>
>
>round and round and round and round and round
>
>
>loop.pool


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S V G" 

>      David,
> 
>      You can find it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/
> 
>      Fair warning however, the list is pretty emotionally reactive. 

I'll be ok, I'm just looking fer info.


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How bout Michael Moore on drums?










 










>From: "jj 179" 

>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>Subject: Re: Anyone wanna join my new loop band? 

>Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:40:55 +0000 

> 

>damn, you almost made me spit out my chai! lol! 

> 

>but of course we must have Noam Chomsky on vocals, yes? 

> 

>=) 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 

>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>>To: 

>>Subject: Anyone wanna join my new loop band? 

>>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 05:43:08 -0800 

>> 

>>I'm thinking of starting a new looping band 

>>and wondered if anyone wants to join. 

>> 

>>Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it 

>>THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS 

>> 

>>It'll be neat. 

>> 

>>I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy 

>>people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter, 

>>Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure 

>>I could convince into purchasing at least 

>>a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation. 

>> 

>>...........if only Martin Luther King and 

>>Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be 

>>perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that 

>>communitstic rhetoric they would spout about 

>>non violence and human dignity........... 

>> 

>>.............yeah, some crazy shit.......... 

>> 

>> 

>>round and round and round and round and round 

>> 

>> 

>>loop.pool 

> 

> 

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I wanna join your band! I'll make up some armbands that say SLW.


~Peter.










 










>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 

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>To: 

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>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 05:43:08 -0800 

> 

>I'm thinking of starting a new looping band 

>and wondered if anyone wants to join. 

> 

>Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it 

>THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS 

> 

>It'll be neat. 

> 

>I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy 

>people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter, 

>Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure 

>I could convince into purchasing at least 

>a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation. 

> 

>...........if only Martin Luther King and 

>Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be 

>perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that 

>communitstic rhetoric they would spout about 

>non violence and human dignity........... 

> 

>.............yeah, some crazy shit.......... 

> 

> 

>round and round and round and round and round 

> 

> 

>loop.pool 


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Hello, first post here. Have benn lurking for a wille.hello to everyone.

In relation to this post: What !??!?! You must be jokking ....really!

Nuno.

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> >
> >
> > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at
> 
> and speaking of wtc....we were in europe when it happened and no one
> there we met thought that 'america' had been attacked,
> just the two symbols
> for the corporate shit engulfing us and the u.s. war machine bully
> 
> 

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At 7:01 PM -0600 1/2/03, Catilyne wrote:

>I never fully appreciated Note Off Velocity

You and a few million others! The obvious thing about note off 
velocity is that it enables you to control what happens during the 
release portion of an envelope  (in the tone module you're playing) 
and it lets you affect what happens in an effects processor when a 
not ends. A musical example might be to have an invers relationship 
between the release velocity and the release time, so that if you 
release a note gently it rings out but if you release it abruptly it 
cuts off. You could also control filter cutoff so that an abrupt 
release results in a brighter sound on release, giving a more 
"definitive" end to the note.

>Using Max for this had occurred to me, but I'd dismissed it as 
>overkill.  However, now that I actually think about it, can't you 
>compile freestanding applications with Max as well?  I thought I'd 
>heard that some of the different Pluggo's had been put together like 
>that.

Max is handy for all sorts of things, though even installed patches 
such as Pluggo require greater resources than an equivalent compiled 
application. I sometimes use Max for such trivial but useful 
applications as a decimal-to-hex convertor. It's also a great 
prototyping environment for "real" programmers who may later create 
optimized versions of their Max patches.
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At 5:43 AM -0800 1/4/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>I'm thinking of starting a new looping band and wondered if anyone 
>wants to join.
>
>Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS

I'm in.
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At 3:40 PM +0000 1/4/03, jj 179 wrote:

>but of course we must have Noam Chomsky on vocals, yes?

If Noam can't make it I have it covered on cassette and DVD. In fact, 
I used some Chomsky in my Y2K2 Loopfest performance.
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On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 02:13 AM, Catilyne wrote:

> France: I'm sure there are lots of people who can speak firsthand on 
> living in France.  While we've got a real draw to the country itself 
> (property costs in Southern France are at an all time low, as well as 
> Paris probably being one of the easier places for me to find a job), 
> the politics seem to be following the United States' lead in rolling 
> back privacy and rights.  Although it would still be an improvement 
> over where we are now.

Hey... I go away for a week or two, and all hell breaks on the list :) 
Happy new year to all.

Re: France, let me just say that for music, it is very hard to make a 
living. The venues pay badly, and all the good gigs are 'white work', 
which means that you have to go through all the cost and beaurocracy 
trying to get the right papers... This is France.... its all possible 
though if you don't mind an eternity of waiting, arguing, form-filling 
and frustration.

The tax/benefit system works against anyone not in mainstream work... 
to get the benefits of being an artist, you have to have 'x' amount of 
hours of proper contracted work from the previous year. Then you can 
join this elite club where they help you find work. To get contracted 
jobs, you often have to belong to this elite club.... All the job 
adverts are coded, and you can only get the contact details of the 
employer if you are a member of the club. My previous touring was black 
work.... I was screwed.

Beware of taxes. I'm paying a huge tax bill, even though I have no 
access to any benefits of any kind, and have paid income tax the entire 
time I've been working over here.

Re: the scene....

The police are now breaking up 'illegal concerts'. In other words, the 
venue owner has to contact the prefecture and obtain permission for 
every concert (live music). This involves form filling, time, money, so 
the venue owners are resorting to installing CD players. Too many 
musicians with not enough venues = people offer to play for free, which 
completely kills the market. "I've got a band of 19 year olds who are 
offering to play New Years Day for free, why should I pay you?" was the 
response from one gig I was chasing that went from 500 to 300 to 200 to 
100 and then to no Euros.... for a 5 piece band.

Accommodation in the cities (Paris, Marseilles etc) are small, 
expensive and not easy to make noise in without legal problems. They 
are also very hard to get .

For a studio apartment, you often have a queue of 20 other people 
viewing at the same hour, all clutching thick files including 
photocopies of payslips, tax returns, bills, bank statements, birth 
certificate, id cards, parents' bank statements, parents' driving 
license, parents' DNA samples.... etc. etc. If you don't have all the 
papers, then you have little hope. Re: the parents stuff, this is for 
people up to the age of 30 or so.... no kidding :)

I'm rambling. In other words, France is not good if you want the 
artists life.

But if you have money.... then it could work :)
-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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Hello all --
I've hardly been reading the digest recently because I've been taking a
break from gear/techno oriented things -- but I just wanted to say this last
thread about politics has been a breath of fresh air.  It's one of the
clearest discussions I've heard about the sad situation of our country --
and count me in the leftist looping band! 

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Hello all --

I've hardly been reading the digest recently because I've been taking a bre=
ak from gear/techno oriented things -- but I just wanted to say this last th=
read about politics has been a breath of fresh air.  It's one of the cl=
earest discussions I've heard about the sad situation of our country -- and =
count me in the leftist looping band!




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Rick,

Hey, are you accepting any CHRISTIAN LEFTIST WACKOS?
If so, count me in too my friend. Heheheheh. I'm really not 
so SCURRILOUS, and I'm really more WACKO than LEFTIST 
(for that matter too). But hey. Nobody's perfect. Sounds
like it's the place to be. I'm there!

In a message dated 1/4/03 5:46:51 AM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:

>I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
>and wondered if anyone wants to join.
>
>Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
>THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS
>
>It'll be neat.

Cheers

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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I tried being in a band with Noam, and he insisted that everything we
use be solar powered and we just couldn't get it loud enough here in the
often cloudy SF Bay area.

Mark Sottilaro

Richard Zvonar wrote:
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> At 3:40 PM +0000 1/4/03, jj 179 wrote:
> 
> >but of course we must have Noam Chomsky on vocals, yes?
> 
> If Noam can't make it I have it covered on cassette and DVD. In fact,
> I used some Chomsky in my Y2K2 Loopfest performance.
> --
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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How about - 

THE SCURRILOUS AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST AND RELIGIOUS LEFTIST WACKOS 



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This week - three artists armed with Line 6 DL/4s...

THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
  @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto
         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Tuesday Jan. 7th - Robert Hoare with cheryl o & Steven Sauve

Visiting from Berlin Germany, Canadian born composer and
saxophonist Rob Hoare returns to the Ping for fresh electroacoustic
explorations as he teams up with cellist/loopist cheryl o and
synthesist Steven Sauve (karmafarm) for an night of improvisations. 

Rob Hoare - http://www.robhoare.de
cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com
Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca

Between Sets CD - "Illusions Of Light" by SYLKEN (zero music)
All three of tonight's artists have performed live with Eric Hopper's
SYLKEN ensemble, and what better way to launch the New Year
at the Ping than spinning one of 2002's finest ambient releases?
(Read a full review of the CD by rik maclean later in this e-mail.)
http://www.sylken.ca
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats
are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique.
Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWs

"Illusions Of Light" by SYLKEN

Those of you that have been lucky enough to have seen SYLKEN
perform live are well aware of the sheer aural beauty created at
their shows.  SYLKEN creates stunningly vital, emotionally charged
music that responds to the surrounding environment and pulses
with a life of it's own. Their shows are truly moving musical events,
magical experiences that often leave me breathless.

The debut album, "Illusions Of Light" released by Zero Music,
brings together seven pieces highlighting some of the different
permutations of the project, and brilliantly represents the magic of
SYLKEN. Featuring work by some of  Toronto's most talented
ambient performers, "Illusions of Light" presents a perfect mixture 
of organic living sounds and carefully crafted synthesized tones.
Subtly processed guitar glides through Sleepless and First Star,
trumpet sweeps through Spirals like the passing of angels,
and exquisitely delicate synth arrangements lie underneath it all,
caressing the listener.  Bliss.

"Illusions Of Light" by SYLKEN is available now at PiNG THiNGS
for $15. To hear samples from this album or buy it via the web, visit
http://www.zeromusic.net/atmoworks/ethereal.htm#illusions

rik maclean -  torment@corpusnet.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday Jan. 14th - Hypnotech 3 & |head|phone|over|tone|
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I'll join, but I'm really sort of a moderate
fence-sitter politically, so I'll have to set up my
gear in the center.

-t-

Rilk Wacker wrote:
> >I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
> >and wondered if anyone wants to join.
> >
> >Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
> >THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS

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----- Original Message -----
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> S.P. Goodman wrote,
>
> > The anti-American sentiment on the
> > part of the British press is fairly commonplace
> > and pretty much taken for granted.
>
>
> Ah, smelling anti-American sentiments again, eh?

Nope, even the British press slags each other off about it.  I'm just
passing it on from BBC 24, amongst other sources.

> Just because someone dares
> to criticize - and of course, Eno didn't criticize America as a whole, but
> only those who claim to own 'the American spirit', bashing everyone else
to
> be anti-American. Wake up, man! To be truly American would mean no longer
to
> blindly follow those religious-conservative hardliners and power-hungry
oil
> billionaires into a brutal unnecessary war which will be led not for
> humanist reasons, but solely for cheap oil and political control over it.

A popular notion, but not necessarily correct.  You assume a stereotypic
jingoism on my part that a lot of folks fall back on lacking other means of
criticism.  Not so.  Go back and read what I wrote again, perhaps, and
choose to react afterwards.

> I recommend for you to read Crimson biographer Sid Smith's diary (Jan 3rd
> entry) at http://diaries.krimson-news.com/SidSmith.shtml.
> Sid writes about Eno's article:
>
> > Dismissing this article as US bashing is to profoundly miss the point.
Eno
> ’s words are equally applicable to the UK.
>
> and:
>
> > To be anti-Bush isn’t to be anti-American
>
> but read for yourself.

Always useful to see others' opinions, though not necessarily validating of
one point vs another.  I didn't post my own opinion as an invitation to
discourse, though.  Just the opinion I have as much a right to as others do
theirs, right?  Right?

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"Tim Nelson"  put forth:

> I'll join, but I'm really sort of a moderate
> fence-sitter politically, so I'll have to set up my
> gear in the center.
>
> -t-
>
> Rilk Wacker wrote:
> > >I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
> > >and wondered if anyone wants to join.
> > >
> > >Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
> > >THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS

Back when I was co-running a SIG on CompuServe in the 80s, a guy from some
far-field one-person software co. got tweaked that we wouldn't let him post
proto-spam (this WAS 1985) for his editing program.  He called the three of
us sysops "sanctimonious bastards".  We debated the idea of having t-shirts
done up actually.  What a hoot!

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>> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for 
loop music?


     There really is only one choice for the conscientious Looper.  Victory Strings.  They only
come in one gauge, but that is the best gauge for Looping.


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At 10:52 PM -0800 1/2/03, S V G wrote:

>   RZ:  This system has both advantages and disadvantages. It assumes that
>pitch bends will always start within a semitone of the nominal pitch,
>but it's quite common for some players to bend down from a whole tone
>or a minor third above.
>
>    SVG:  This shouldn't be too big of a difference to matter.

It might not make an audible difference in performance, but it might 
confuse things in a MIDI recording

>SVG:   This doesn't jive with my understanding of how MIDI works, 
>one note that gets bent up or down an octave?  Wouldn't that sound 
>weird at the extremes?

Seems to work OK in the Cyberbass. I'm not sure if they have a 
proprietary system in their Cyberbass tone module, in order to switch 
between multisamples on the basis of pitch bend values. I'll look 
into it and get back to you.

>
>   RZ:  ...has some interesting possibilities for fretless and even 
>fretted MIDI guitars. For instance, it allows playing with flexible 
>intonation. Microtonal players (whose pitch discrimination can be 
>uncanny) would be able to play guitar synth in Just  or other 
>intonations without the synth having microtonal features. Even 
>though many synths have tuning capabilities, it requires switching 
>presets in order to change from one to another. With a MIDI pitch 
>bend based system the intonation would be left entirely to the 
>player.
>
>   SVG:  Again, I'm not sure that I understand what you are referring to here.

Perhaps I didn't explain it clearly. I'm talking about a dynamically 
"floating" intonation system where the player has complete control 
over the intonation rather than having to work within a predetermined 
tuning system. In other words, rather than having a scale that is set 
up with each step at a fixed frequency, the player could play each 
note at whatever frequency was contextually appropriate at the 
moment. This would allow migration through a variety of intonation 
systems in the course of a performance without having to set up 
several different tuning presets and switch from one to another.


>And the pitch bend accuracy would be to the nearest 1.5625 cents 
>(100 cents divided by 64) which is close enough for rock 'n' roll 
>(though some would moan in a most pitiful way).

That may be sufficient resolution for melodic playing, but if you 
want to play pure harmonic intervals and chords without beats its' 
not good enough.

>With the Kurzweil, you set up one octave and all the octaves are 
>locked into that same tuning.  With Emu, you have to set the tuning 
>for every single note which is more labor intensive yet it offers 
>much more flexibility

A better way to do it might be to allow the option of copying the 
tuning a range of notes into different octaves. That way you could 
easily do "intonation splits" where some octaves were in one 
intonation and other octaves where in another.


>Regardless of whether you are using a fretless or a fretted guitar, 
>you can set a user definable scale on your synth, turn off the 
>pitchbend, and anything you play on your guitar will ipso facto 
>sound within that scale that you defined.

That's great for fixed-pitch playing, but if you wanted to have a 
basic tuning PLUS microtonal ornaments you'd be out of luck.

>
>   RZ:  BTW - Middle C is "C4" no matter what Yamaha says.
>
>SVG:  I know that MIDI was developed with several musicians on the 
>consulting panel.  What were they thinking?  That they could just 
>ignore the modern acoustic usage?  Especially since there seems to 
>be no overwhelming reason that they couldn't just keep C4 as C4.

I became aware of this after I'd been using Performer together with a 
Yamaha TX816 in 1986. Then I was doing some beta testing for E-mu and 
they were using C4. I actually flagged that as an error until I did a 
little research into musical acoustic standards. I actually got David 
Zicarelli to add a C4 option to the number objects in Max.

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Dear all,

	Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show up, a
didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you play
this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do now?


		Lee




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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Lee Barnes wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> 	Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show up, a
> didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you play
> this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
> inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do now?

Here's some places to get you started:

http://www.mills.edu/LIFE/CCM/DIDJERIDU/

The Dreamtime website is the best I've found for didj stuff. 

http://www.mills.edu/LIFE/CCM/DIDJERIDU/instruction/instruction.html

Here's a couple of other links to "how to play" sites. 

http://www.didgeridoings.com/Tutorial/TutBodyNF.html

http://www.didges.com.au/play-the-didge.htm

best,
Steve 
Subscape Annex
http://www.subscapeannex.com/

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On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:39 PM, Lee Barnes wrote:

> Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show 
> up, a
> didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you 
> play
> this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
> inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do 
> now?

I'm no expert, but I've had didge's kicking around for years... and are 
great to play whilst on the toilet.

Learn circular breathing if you don't know about it already. Its fairly 
simple once you get the logic of it: Blowing a reservoir of air from 
your cheeks whilst inhaling through the nose to refill the lungs. The 
easiest way is to try this from scratch is with a straw and a glass of 
water - and try to keep the stream of bubbles continuous.

With a didge, there are a hell of a lot of different ways to blow into 
it. Once you get your basic vibratory sound (this can take a lot of 
practice in itself), make vowel sounds 'AEIOU'.... then move your 
tongue from the roof of the mouth to the base... to your teeth, then to 
the back of your throat. Just from the shape of the mouth, you realise 
the diversity of harmonics in this instrument.

Other tricks? Singing whilst blowing.... try gregorian chants based on 
the root note of the didge. Screams, growls and basically any sound can 
go well.

There are a number of notes similar to brass instruments, that are 
obtained through faster vibration of the lips and heavy attack. 'High 
toots'... you should be able to find at least two easily.... any higher 
than that are difficult.

Mould the mouthpiece to fit your position... Do this by heating 
beezewax (in an old saucepan), and dipping in the didge to build up 
layers of wax. Dont just rely on the standard mouthpiece.

Finally, practice with a good acoustic monitoring system. In other 
words, a plastic bucket opened towards you, so that you will have the 
harmonics and high frequencies bounced back towards you. Fireplaces are 
good, as are small ceramic bathrooms. Alternatively, my SM57 mic 
plugged into multi-fx then routed into a PA sounds even better....

I'm rambling, but there should be enough tips there :)

-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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You might not be as OT as you think; you learn
circular breathing!

Or if you, like me, never quite get the hang of
circular breathing, snag a few seconds with your
looper of choice, layer it up a bit, and you've got
yerself a nice drone! To get it started, put your lips
inside the waxy end and blow a "raspberry" until you
find the drone resonance, and away you go.

Tom the Looping Tuba Player actually sings into his
didge!

-t-

--- Lee Barnes  wrote:
> Just had an early ...
> Christmas present show up, a didgeridoo... 
> what do you do now?


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  Hey Stu,


  How are you? Andy Here from Mexico City, I came down to spend the holydays
with my family and all...


  I heard it has snowed in Paris, hey I'm glad I missed that! I'm going to
Acapulco Next week, where is hot everyday.

  Can you give me your postal address? I'd love to send you a post card from
there!! :-)

  Andy.

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  Sorry about this message to the list it was meant to Stuart Only!!

  A+

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S.P. Goodman wrote:

>I didn't post my own opinion as an invitation to
>discourse, though. 
>
Then why post at all if you don't want discourse.  Do you just like to 
see your name next to messages on the list?

Not trying to be offensive but that comment of yours strikes me as very odd.

Kevin (who still needs a Korg AM8000R--I'll loop with it, I swear)

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Hey thanks for asking. I'm in the same boat - my wife got me one for
X-mas.

And thanks to everyone for their insightful responses.

Scott

Lee Barnes wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
>         Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show up, a
> didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you play
> this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
> inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do now?
> 
>                 Lee

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----- Original Message -----
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> S.P. Goodman wrote:
>
> >I didn't post my own opinion as an invitation to
> >discourse, though.
> >
> Then why post at all if you don't want discourse.  Do you just like to
> see your name next to messages on the list?

Read it again.  I have a right to express my opinion whether you like it or
not, and whether I care what anyone else may think on the topic.  This one's
a debate that could potentially be a very repetitive waste of bandwidth.
But it didn't mean I should just keep my opinion to myself, though, does it?
Think about it.


> Not trying to be offensive but that comment of yours strikes me as very
odd.
>
> Kevin (who still needs a Korg AM8000R--I'll loop with it, I swear)
>
> --
> Wonderful!  Wonderful!
> The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable
> If you try to hear it with your ears
> You'll hardly understand
> Only when you hear it in your eyes
> Will you be able to know.
>
> Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I have to agree with Stuart, France is not a good destination for a bohemian
kind of life, and finding a place to live or a job in Paris is toughŠ But
what destination would be ideal? Practically none.
One thing that I really appreciate here, in the USA, is the relative absence
of barriers between classes, I mean a CEO is not addressed to with more
deference than a plumber, generally. It is totally different in Europe,
where social classes are much more defined and noticeable. These are the
remains of very old feudal systems.
One could argue, though, that it is exactly what is brewing in the USAŠ
But at large, life and politics are not really different in Europe, same old
deceits and liesŠ
I feel that, in spite of the odds, there is much more hope here, this sudden
political debate on a music list is a perfect example. Things start to
change when people see that they're not alone and powerless, so moving to
another destination is just accepting more of the same, and giving in.
People are generally more blasé and apathetic in Europe, a single glance at
the last French presidential elections is illuminatingŠ
Although I'm thinking now of the Florida sham and how the Supreme Court
handed the presidency to GW.Bush and I'm not so sureŠ Anyhow, I think there
are roughly 1.5 millions US soldiers stationed around the world, and the
Pentagon budget is about $500 billions/year and constantly increasingŠ

-- 
Laurent
"The most powerful weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the
oppressed."
Steven Biko



> From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) 
> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:31:49 +0100
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> 
> Re: France, let me just say that for music, it is very hard to make a
> living. The venues pay badly, and all the good gigs are 'white work',
> which means that you have to go through all the cost and beaurocracy
> trying to get the right papers... This is France....


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Ha haha, it reminds me of a story...

Once (while tripping on mushrooms) at the Finger Lakes Grassroots music
festivel, as it was ending my girlfriend turned to me (while in the
vendor area) and said, "Sure, it's all laughs now, but I bet there's
going to be a lot of really sad people tomorrow when realize they blew
$60 on a diggeriedoo that they'll never figure out how to play."

Good luck!

Mark Sottilaro

Lee Barnes wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
>         Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show up, a
> didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you play
> this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
> inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do now?
> 
>                 Lee

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Hey kids,

A diggeriedoo sounds like a great instrument and present.  It got me to
thinking, since the real meaning of this season is commercialism, what
cool stuff did people get that you can loop with or put in a loop?

My wife got me the new KAOSS PAD II.  It's a *helluva* bunch of hoots, I
tell ya.  It's got 2 memory locations for samples which automatically
loop.  I think it's 6 sec of memory each.  The coolest part?  They're
independent of the effect section, so you can dial up one of the many
cool effect patches (a bunch synch to bpm or a midi clock) and and play
with the sample through any of them!  WARNING: *SERIOUS LOOP MANGLEAGE
MAY OCCUR!*  I spend hours running the output of my Korg MS2000 synth
into it.  I could probably record an entire album with just these two
devices.  FUN!  I haven't even attempted to use the KAOSS pad as a MIDI
controller, but it seems like the result can only be incredible.

Anyone else?

Mark Sottilaro

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Uh... I disagree.  The nature of this type of list is discussion.  Sure,
some people just put forth facts, but often there is an opinion as
well.  It's healthy to hear an opposing opinion from someone else. The
idea is that the reader can form their own opinion based on what others
have said, or maybe come up with something totally different based on
their own experiences.  All that said, I'll restate that it's about the
discussion.  The exchange.  This isn't really a place to just post your
opinions and not expect to have them questioned or countered.  It's what
makes this list great.  If you want to just state your opinions in a
forum, set up your own web page and go at it.  Just don't leave your
email address.

Now, we really have spend way too much time on this off topic, but I did
learn from Stewart that the music scene in Paris is *rough* which I
might have never really known.

Mark Sottilaro

"S.P. Goodman" wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 00:09:AM
> Subject: Re: A Much Shorter Retort
> 
> > S.P. Goodman wrote:
> >
> > >I didn't post my own opinion as an invitation to
> > >discourse, though.
> > >
> > Then why post at all if you don't want discourse.  Do you just like to
> > see your name next to messages on the list?
> 
> Read it again.  I have a right to express my opinion whether you like it or
> not, and whether I care what anyone else may think on the topic.  This one's
> a debate that could potentially be a very repetitive waste of bandwidth.
> But it didn't mean I should just keep my opinion to myself, though, does it?
> Think about it.
> 
> > Not trying to be offensive but that comment of yours strikes me as very
> odd.
> >
> > Kevin (who still needs a Korg AM8000R--I'll loop with it, I swear)
> >
> > --
> > Wonderful!  Wonderful!
> > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable
> > If you try to hear it with your ears
> > You'll hardly understand
> > Only when you hear it in your eyes
> > Will you be able to know.
> >
> > Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Well that's loopers delight for ya!    LOL

Here I had this great concept for a band that I would be the
benevolent dictator of (you know: own the rights to the name,
take an unhealthy and usurous percentage of the bands profits,
fire really creative people if they threaten me.......
the usual fare
.........lol)

but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, everybody wants there opinion considered:

Ted Killian writes:

"Hey, are you accepting any CHRISTIAN LEFTIST WACKOS?
If so, count me in too my friend. Heheheheh. "


I'm an agnostic/buddhist/shamanic looper who wants to live in a world with a
compassionate god so that would make the name changed to:

THE SCURRILOUS CHRISTIAN/PAGAN LEFTIST WACKOS

but then Mark Sottilaro wrote:


"I tried being in a band with Noam, and he insisted that everything we
use be solar powered and we just couldn't get it loud enough here in the
often cloudy SF Bay area."

Alright,  I concede............now we will be called

THE SCURRILOUS CHRISTIAN/PAGAN NON CUNNING LINGUIST LEFTIST WACKOS

but then David wrote in and suggest this name change:

"THE SCURRILOUS AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST AND RELIGIOUS LEFTIST WACKOS "

so, being the kind hearted and open minded fell that I am
I amended the name one more time.  It is now called:

THE SCURRILOUS CHRISTIAN/PAGAN/ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC NON-CUNNING LINGUIST LEFTIST
WACKOS

but Tim Nelson had to add his two cents, writing:

"I'll join, but I'm really sort of a moderate
fence-sitter politically, so I'll have to set up my
gear in the center."

so we are now:

THE SCURRILOUS CHRISTIAN/PAGAN/ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC NON-CUNNING LINGUIST
MODERATE FENCE SITTER AND LEFTIST WACKOS

but then , at the 11th hour, Stephen Goodman piped in:

"He called the three of us sysops "sanctimonious bastards".
which would make it"

THE SANCTIMONIOUS,SCURRILOUS CHRISTIAN/PAGAN/ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC NON-CUNNING
LINGUIST MODERATE FENCE SITTER AND LEFTIST WACKOS



FINALLY,  s.k. chimed in:

"i like the name"



So I got sick and tired of accomodating everyone and changed it to:

RICK WALKER and the SCURRILOUS WACKO BASTARDS featuring RICK WALKER

Fuck you guys!!!!!!!!    I'm registering the trademark tomorrow.......see
you all at the Grammy's!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!





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Yeah, but what's the domain-name on our web site gonna
be?

-t-

> RICK WALKER and the SCURRILOUS WACKO BASTARDS
> featuring RICK WALKER
> 
> Fuck you guys!!!!!!!!    I'm registering the
> trademark tomorrow.......see
> you all at the Grammy's!!!
> 
> 
>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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That last hoot of laughter was really unnecessary, since I was falling out of my
chair with giggles by that point.

I think we should have a weekly summary of list activity like this; it's very,
um, insightful.

tittering,

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Rick,

You're the best! I laughed out loud. Hehehehe.

In a message dated 1/4/03 7:15:16 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:

>RICK WALKER and the SCURRILOUS WACKO BASTARDS featuring RICK WALKER

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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Hi List-

Other things in my life leave me without much time to participate here 
lately, but I do still read the list most days. Over the last few months 
I've noticed with increasing dismay that almost no discussion about looping 
takes place here anymore. An off topic post once in a while doesn't hurt 
anybody, but Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic!

The last couple of days have been an extreme example, but in fact this has 
been going on for some time. Look back over the last month and see for 
yourself. Some examples of what we've discussed:

midi controllers, music reviewers, guitar sustainers for parker fly's, cd-r 
brands, bbe, audio archiving, recording equipment, a/d convertors, mac vs 
pc, robert fripp's guitar tone, guitar rack wiring, math music, elliot 
sharp's guitar, numerous gear sales, mixers, peter gabriel's concert sound, 
self-promotions with nothing to do with looping, mp3.com and alternatives, 
blown speakers, how to sneak into NAMM, how to run cables, music in 
siberia, more mixers, fretless guitars, fretless guitarists, fretless midi 
guitars, glissantars, ouds, cd distributors, using acoustic guitars as a 
drum, hex fuzz, ebay self-promotion techniques, microtonal midi control, 
brian eno's foreign policy, foreign countries to move to, and last but not 
least, didgeridoo.

So what is the problem? Have you lost interest in looping? You've run out 
of looping topics? Nobody has any new (or even old) looping techniques to 
share? You haven't listened to any music with interesting new uses of 
looping to discuss? No looping gear tips? This is the only place in the 
world devoted to  to discussing looping, and you barely use it!

So as the above subject line suggests, should we just forget that this is 
about looping at all and give up on the whole idea?

I can already hear the predictable responses that always come when somebody 
brings up off-topic-ness. "But people here were interested, so it's ok." 
"This group of people seemed like the best place to discuss it." "But it's 
related to looping."

Sure, we can play six degrees of Looper's Delight and manage to justify 
anything. But before you post again try to consider, if it isn't really 
about looping, is this the best place for it? If you are starting a message 
off with "OT", maybe that's a sign that you shouldn't be posting it here at 
all? Do you really want to continue to dilute this forum with more 
unrelated messages, and lessen it's value for everybody?

Like I said, going off topic once in a while isn't a big deal, but we're 
off topic constantly. How many of you can look back over your last ten 
posts here and say that nine of them were directly about looping? If you're 
finding that most of your recent posts have been off-topic, how about 
making certain the next one is ON topic? Take the responsibility to turn 
the ratio around, starting with yourself!

thanks,
kim



______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com

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hi,
well, I do think the "how to sneak into the NAMM show" discussion quite entertaining and worthy of discussion..............................NOT!! hehe 8-)
Denis

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Hi List-

Other things in my life leave me without much time to participate here 
lately, but I do still read the list most days. Over the last few months 
I've noticed with increasing dismay that almost no discussion about looping 
takes place here anymore. 

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hmmmmm finally figured out the remotes for the news departments open reel decks at kpfa =

last week 5 tape loops of yoko singing fly  (with a gyuto monk backing choir)

see, looping discussed

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At 07:32 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Kim Flint wrote:

>Other things in my life leave me without much time to participate here 
>lately, but I do still read the list most days. Over the last few months 
>I've noticed with increasing dismay that almost no discussion about 
>looping takes place here anymore. An off topic post once in a while 
>doesn't hurt anybody, but Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic!

Well, I'll be the first to cop to blatantly straying off-topic at a 
moment's notice (and why not: some of the most interesting conversations 
I've had in my almost-15-years of electronic networking can be directly 
blamed on topic-drift).  Likewise, I'll certainly agree that several of the 
conversations I've helped along are contrary to the stated mission of the 
list -- self-moderated or not.

However, I would also argue that many of those same message threads -- 
while not expressly on-charter with the groups purpose -- have helped in 
part to further solidify the members of this group as a community, rather 
than just a disparate group of people reading email.  If this were a BBS, 
I'd suggest actually creating an area which would act as a "Looper's 
Support Group" -- a Looper's Cafe', if you will -- where otherwise 
senseless banter and off-topic threads by the Looper Community would be 
perfectly acceptable.  Perhaps a second list is worth considering... or 
perhaps not.

Finally, as an act of contrition (and to make certain this message doesn't 
completely devolve into navel-gazing) I'd like to offer this up:

I was poking around the FXPansion site a couple of days ago and came across 
their 'skunkworks' (betatest/experimental) area.  One of the free plugins 
available for download from the site is a widget called Stutter.  Stutter 
will allow you to do realtime sampling, mapping, and looping of up to four 
simultaneous samples in real-time.

You can download Stutter at: http://www.fxpansion.com/skunkworks/skunk.php

I know it's probably closer to a phrase-sampler than an actual looper (hey, 
cut me a little slack).  But if FXPansion were to add a couple more key 
features (feedback, an effects loop), they might be starting to approach a 
software emulation of the Repeater.

Hope you can get some use out of it....

         -c-

-- President, Chicagoland Local Fan Club Chapter
    The Sanctimonious, Scurrilous Christian/Pagan/Atheist/Agnostic 
Non-Cunning Linguist Moderate Fence Sitter And Leftist Wackos Fan Club


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  Kim, Thank you SOOOO much!      Personally I was getting ready to
unsub again for a lil' while.  -Not that I  think that ALL of the recent
topics weren't interesting, but the sheer volume has been extraordinarily
irritating.      -just my opinion of course...   
  Anyway, Thanks , I completely agree.  
  So, regardin' looping; I'm curious, given that the EDP and Repeater both
have a number of ways with which to switch from loop to loop, and even the
Jam Man to a certain extent, how are people finding themselves doing this?,
-to those who do actually comprize a piece of more than one loop?
*laughing*   -and yes!, this means you too Kim!   lol!   *hug*   
  -and by switching loops, I mean sonically, as well, so if you simply
evolve a loop gradually, so it effectively becomes a different loop, that
would be one way of switching between loops.   
  Personally, I tended to take the more gradual approach, but since I'd
also incorporate loops into rhythms and vocals and such, it wasn't always
obvious.   Now, I'm getting more into replace modes, both with the Repeater
and EDP, and not only building loops that way, but  changing existing loops
by both layering and replacing bits at the same time.  On the Repeater, I'm
also changing a loop sonically via it's pitch function, and by layering,
reversing, and layering some more, along with the replace function.
Woohoo!   It's lots of fun!...   
  Anyway, What are the rest of us doing?...  

Smiles,

Cara

At 07:32 PM 1/4/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi List-
>
>Other things in my life leave me without much time to participate here 
>lately, but I do still read the list most days. Over the last few months 
>I've noticed with increasing dismay that almost no discussion about looping 
>takes place here anymore. An off topic post once in a while doesn't hurt 
>anybody, but Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic!
>
>The last couple of days have been an extreme example, but in fact this has 
>been going on for some time. Look back over the last month and see for 
>yourself. Some examples of what we've discussed:
>
>midi controllers, music reviewers, guitar sustainers for parker fly's, cd-r 
>brands, bbe, audio archiving, recording equipment, a/d convertors, mac vs 
>pc, robert fripp's guitar tone, guitar rack wiring, math music, elliot 
>sharp's guitar, numerous gear sales, mixers, peter gabriel's concert sound, 
>self-promotions with nothing to do with looping, mp3.com and alternatives, 
>blown speakers, how to sneak into NAMM, how to run cables, music in 
>siberia, more mixers, fretless guitars, fretless guitarists, fretless midi 
>guitars, glissantars, ouds, cd distributors, using acoustic guitars as a 
>drum, hex fuzz, ebay self-promotion techniques, microtonal midi control, 
>brian eno's foreign policy, foreign countries to move to, and last but not 
>least, didgeridoo.
>
>So what is the problem? Have you lost interest in looping? You've run out 
>of looping topics? Nobody has any new (or even old) looping techniques to 
>share? You haven't listened to any music with interesting new uses of 
>looping to discuss? No looping gear tips? This is the only place in the 
>world devoted to  to discussing looping, and you barely use it!
>
>So as the above subject line suggests, should we just forget that this is 
>about looping at all and give up on the whole idea?
>
>I can already hear the predictable responses that always come when somebody 
>brings up off-topic-ness. "But people here were interested, so it's ok." 
>"This group of people seemed like the best place to discuss it." "But it's 
>related to looping."
>
>Sure, we can play six degrees of Looper's Delight and manage to justify 
>anything. But before you post again try to consider, if it isn't really 
>about looping, is this the best place for it? If you are starting a message 
>off with "OT", maybe that's a sign that you shouldn't be posting it here at 
>all? Do you really want to continue to dilute this forum with more 
>unrelated messages, and lessen it's value for everybody?
>
>Like I said, going off topic once in a while isn't a big deal, but we're 
>off topic constantly. How many of you can look back over your last ten 
>posts here and say that nine of them were directly about looping? If you're 
>finding that most of your recent posts have been off-topic, how about 
>making certain the next one is ON topic? Take the responsibility to turn 
>the ratio around, starting with yourself!
>
>thanks,
>kim
>
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
>kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>
>


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happy, healthy new cycle to all. i'm in the process of
moving my stuff to williamsburg, brooklyn and hope to
follow it (!) by the end of january. goodbye, bay
bridge, hello williamsburg bridge! i've acquired an
akai sampler, a loop station and a (used) dat deck to
help me in my lOooPPy efforts, and have been using
pieces of bush-speak (from the tv/radio) layered
"subliminally" into my kybd/gtr/vox raw material. he
is one sinister motherfucker, particularly when you
play his voice repeatedly as a sample- a very tense
puppet, for sure, a lot like raegun used to sound- all
that controlled tightness holding up the walls of his
puppet-masters. anyway! a friend and i have been
talking about organizing a grass-roots movement, a
people's movement, refusing to pay taxes UNTIL there
is a national, comprehensive health plan, blanket
coverage (at least on the most basic level) for every
citizen, meaning for the vast millions of AMERICANS
from all walks who can't afford coverage- hardworking,
2-job-holding CITIZENS who are watching untold
BILLIONS go down the toilet, into the mouths of bush's
arms/oil/defense buddies. dudes and dudettes, they are
laughing all the way to the bank. and you and i are
the losers in this rigged game. if the whole country
said fuck you, all at once, it would have a
sensational, historic impact. 
i'll leave you now, into the paws of my new
christmas-kitty, who will be my little spirit-guide on
my new york journey. love charlotte loopchikkk

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Advanced MIDI foot controllers are always of interest on this list, and 
I see in the new issue of Guitar Player that DMC  has come out with a 
new model Ground Control.  This one looks more like the Rocktron 
All-Access (3 rows of 4 metal switches, LED character read-out) and has 
MIDI In for restoring your data (I think the old one didn't).  More 
info at www.voodoolab.com.

TH

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To be honest... what is there left to talk about?  We've been through
every function of every major hardware looper about 100 times.  We've
done the philosophy into the ground as well.  I even think we're
positive that "Looping" is not a genera of music... so I honestly can't
think of a single loop related thread to start.  I think in a sense that
means the list is maturing, maybe getting stale.  I'm sure there are
hundreds of list members, but let's face it, there are probably about 20
of us that do most of the posts.  An infusion of new loopers would be
nice, but where are they?  Not too many it seems.  I still enjoy the
list though.  I actually kind of enjoy the off topicness of it all
because after a while talking about looping just gets damn repetitive.

Mark Sottilaro

Kim Flint wrote:
> 
Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic!
> 
>

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At 12:07 AM -0700 1/5/03, Goddess wrote:
>  So, regardin' looping; I'm curious, given that the EDP and Repeater both
>have a number of ways with which to switch from loop to loop, and even the
>Jam Man to a certain extent, how are people finding themselves doing this?,
>-to those who do actually comprize a piece of more than one loop?

One thing I find myself doing a fair amount in my looping is building some sort of simple background, then copying it into all available loops. From there I can develop each copy in a different way, yet because they all share a common base, there is a sense of continuity. Switching between them can still be very interesting because even though they all started from the same root, the development of each loop can be radically different.

-C

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At 12:01 AM 1/5/2003, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>Advanced MIDI foot controllers are always of interest on this list, and I 
>see in the new issue of Guitar Player that DMC  has come out with a new 
>model Ground Control.  This one looks more like the Rocktron All-Access (3 
>rows of 4 metal switches, LED character read-out) and has MIDI In for 
>restoring your data (I think the old one didn't).  More info at 
>www.voodoolab.com.

I think they showed that at last winter NAMM, and it started shipping some 
time after that. It might look like the Rocktron, but it sure isn't as 
powerful as the Rocktron. The midi implementation is very weak. It mainly 
only sends Program Change messages, with some limited ability to send 
continuous controllers. The rest of the midi spec is not available. I'm not 
sure why they call it the Ground Control Pro. To me, a "pro" midi 
controller should be able to send any midi command. If you were looking for 
a pedal to fully control the Repeater or the Echoplex, this would be a bad 
choice since it cannot send all the midi commands that either of those can 
receive. (midi note messages, for example.)

kim


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I disagree.  I DO have a right to my own opinion, just like you do, Mark.

----- Original Message -----
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> Uh... I disagree.  The nature of this type of list is discussion.  Sure,
> some people just put forth facts, but often there is an opinion as
> well.  It's healthy to hear an opposing opinion from someone else. The
> idea is that the reader can form their own opinion based on what others
> have said, or maybe come up with something totally different based on
> their own experiences.  All that said, I'll restate that it's about the
> discussion.  The exchange.  This isn't really a place to just post your
> opinions and not expect to have them questioned or countered.  It's what
> makes this list great.  If you want to just state your opinions in a
> forum, set up your own web page and go at it.  Just don't leave your
> email address.
>
> Now, we really have spend way too much time on this off topic, but I did
> learn from Stewart that the music scene in Paris is *rough* which I
> might have never really known.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> "S.P. Goodman" wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 00:09:AM
> > Subject: Re: A Much Shorter Retort
> >
> > > S.P. Goodman wrote:
> > >
> > > >I didn't post my own opinion as an invitation to
> > > >discourse, though.
> > > >
> > > Then why post at all if you don't want discourse.  Do you just like to
> > > see your name next to messages on the list?
> >
> > Read it again.  I have a right to express my opinion whether you like it
or
> > not, and whether I care what anyone else may think on the topic.  This
one's
> > a debate that could potentially be a very repetitive waste of bandwidth.
> > But it didn't mean I should just keep my opinion to myself, though, does
it?
> > Think about it.
> >
> > > Not trying to be offensive but that comment of yours strikes me as
very
> > odd.
> > >
> > > Kevin (who still needs a Korg AM8000R--I'll loop with it, I swear)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Wonderful!  Wonderful!
> > > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable
> > > If you try to hear it with your ears
> > > You'll hardly understand
> > > Only when you hear it in your eyes
> > > Will you be able to know.
> > >
> > > Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>

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Hi loopers.

I'm in the process of setting up a recording studio
in my basement and I'm buying a new computer.
I want to know what is the best software I should
buy for recording loops. I know there are several
on the market but I wanted to know what the users
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kf,
>Hi List-
etc.

i've been unsubscribed the past 3-4 months, till last week.

back on topic:
re: the 'fretless gtr' thread:

some people here might be interested in seeing/hearing dhafer youssef looping 
his amplified oud & voice.
dhafer is from tunisia ::: currently lives in paris ::: makes beautiful music 
::: has some cd's released, which i've not heard.

one could hear a sample of him, 'live', here:

http://www.radioceros.com/ondemandvideo/dhaferyoussef/dhafer.htm

best,
dt / splattercell

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Hi,


Well here's a new looper fresh to the list. My name is Peter Hutter, and I'm about to purchase a repeater (repeter?) 


    I've played with a friends echoplex, and the most fun we had with that recently was the creation of what sounded like an arctic soundtrack, with thousands of penguins screaming and crying in the background, with a very lonely, sorrowful and disturbing saxophone singing their pain. How beautifully tragic it was.




    I wish to make virtual dixieland with the repeater, all with saxes for now. Bari, tenor and alto. I also love the idea of being able to pull the different tracks in and out, and am specifically thinking of this with the spoken word community. I also play djembe, and the idea of starting a beat, adding a sax part, then another sax harmony, then pulling the drum out, then adding the drum again live and then starting a spoken word piece, where the sax parts continue, and I can adjust the dynamics and intensity with the live drum, well hot damn, for a solo player that's a hell of a long way for the one person band to go.




    I also was thinking of the repeater as a way to create a sax section in a band. You have a musical motif being repeated by the group, you add a sax section kind of part, loop it, ad a harmony, etc. I imagine that all of these ideas aren't new in concept, but I'd love any feedback on this anyone is willing to offer, especially as it relates to time magazine, brian eno, and scurrilous something or others.




    Off topic the list may have been, and that was a lot of emails to get there for a while, but I dug most of it and it was refreshing to hear some other leftist wackos wack off for a bit.




Thanks,




Peter T Hutter.


















 




















>From: Mark 



>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 



>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 



>Subject: Re: Off-Topicers Delight! 



>Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 00:45:35 -0800 



> 



>To be honest... what is there left to talk about? We've been through 



>every function of every major hardware looper about 100 times. We've 



>done the philosophy into the ground as well. I even think we're 



>positive that "Looping" is not a genera of music... so I honestly can't 



>think of a single loop related thread to start. I think in a sense that 



>means the list is maturing, maybe getting stale. I'm sure there are 



>hundreds of list members, but let's face it, there are probably about 20 



>of us that do most of the posts. An infusion of new loopers would be 



>nice, but where are they? Not too many it seems. I still enjoy the 



>list though. I actually kind of enjoy the off topicness of it all 



>because after a while talking about looping just gets damn repetitive. 



> 



>Mark Sottilaro 



> 



>Kim Flint wrote: 



> > 



>Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic! 



> > 



> > 






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for those interested:
i'll be performing at the 92nd st 'Y' -(apparently, this is a nice venue)- in 
manhattan on the 25th january 2003, at the NY Guitar Festival (sponsored by 
wnyc & d'addario strings).
the performance will be with d-cell:
fima ephron (bassythangs), and ben perowsky (drummythangs).

there'll be a live (on-air, on-stage) interview w/john schaeffer after the 
performance.

there will be live looping; i'll certainly employ 1 edp, 1 pcm42, 1 repeater, 
and the electronic feedback loop between my gtrs and amp.

best,
dt / splattercell

currently working on:
films: the sin eater (as composer)
recordings: new splattercell

recently completed:
films: adaptation, simone, heist, the rookie, traffic, etc
recordings: david bowie, tori amos, tim berne (as producer), mick karn (as 
re-mixer), the living jarboe, mantra girl, etc

upcoming:
recordings: jeff beck, tim berne (as producer)

http://www.splattercell.com
http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn

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Hi,

I too have been off the list for a couple of months and, on rejoining have
felt
interested in the threads and pleased that list members have more to
communicate with each other about than restricting our communications to
looping techniques. I know that, if I need some technical information, I can
post to the list and will most likely get it. But, when the last month's list
of threads was sent out, I thought, what a wonderful diverse range of subjects
that are possible for us to talk about here. 

As musicians, I'm not sure how useful or even possible it is for us to try to
separate ourselves from the context in which we make music: the economic, the
political and the cultural context. Whatever our particular political (or
Political) stance, it has to be talkable about else we stagnate. There are
plenty of people who strangely claim some pride in avoiding learning about
what's going on in the world (not reading newspapers, neither
watching/listening to the news), some musicians also find it hard to have
conversations that veers away from music technology. 

I don't share the fear that, if we have a range of "off topic" threads, we
will
find it hard to get back "on topic" again or that it might put people off. I
think that, whether I actively contribute to the list or not, whilst I am
subscribed to it, I share an equal responsibility for what is discussed. I
can't separate myself off from the list whilst remaining subscribed.

I do appreciate a forum for sharing of information and techniques about
looping
(equipment etc.) and I also welcome the demonstration that we are also
intelligent, thoughtful and interested in all kinds of things - this must
bring
a richness to our music and to this group.

Thanks.

Ian.


At 08:45 05/01/03 , you wrote:
>To be honest... what is there left to talk about?  We've been through
>every function of every major hardware looper about 100 times.  We've
>done the philosophy into the ground as well.  I even think we're
>positive that "Looping" is not a genera of music... so I honestly can't
>think of a single loop related thread to start.  I think in a sense that
>means the list is maturing, maybe getting stale.  I'm sure there are
>hundreds of list members, but let's face it, there are probably about 20
>of us that do most of the posts.  An infusion of new loopers would be
>nice, but where are they?  Not too many it seems.  I still enjoy the
>list though.  I actually kind of enjoy the off topicness of it all
>because after a while talking about looping just gets damn repetitive.
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>Kim Flint wrote:
>> 
>Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic!
>> 
>>
> 


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I lived in France for 10 years.  All that red-tape and stuff is true.  It's
a place that is intellectually curious but in many ways just like any other
western country.

As for bohemian living - get to the Mediterranean and you'll discover a very
large community of artists and artist wanna-be's.  Yes, you may need to have
some other form of income to subsidize your art, and yes, there are less
venues to perform loop-based music.

But life is good.  And the sun shines.  And the fod is great.

:-)

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Where can we get some merch for this really cool band?  
I heard they have a heavy rotation (!) spot on MTV.
I'd like a T-shirt and some stickers.

> 
> RICK WALKER and the SCURRILOUS WACKO BASTARDS featuring RICK WALKER
> 
> 

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>In fact, I used some Chomsky in my Y2K2 Loopfest performance.

--wow--

this i would like to have heard.


jj

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Heh, heh. There actually is a looper here in Minnesota who plays and 
records with solar power. His name is Michael Monroe. I think he uses a 
Jamman in his rig.

http://hometown.aol.com/mmonroedmm/index.html


There was a thread a while back about whether or not you should explain 
how you're creating your loop based music during a performance. Michael 
does, and the way he goes about it is pretty effective. Between his 
normal pieces he'll explain that he's using a device that allows him to 
record short loops of music and play over them in real time. He'll sing 
something like, "I can record myself singing something and then add to 
it" and capture it in the Jamman. Then he'll sing the same 'lyric' ("I 
can record myself singing something and then add to it") in harmony 
with the first, capture that, and let it loop. It only takes about a 
minute and since he's describing looping while looping (would that be 
metalooping?) it's quite effective in communicating to the audience how 
the looping works.



Dion


On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 05:41  PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> I tried being in a band with Noam, and he insisted that everything we
> use be solar powered and we just couldn't get it loud enough here in 
> the
> often cloudy SF Bay area.

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At 1:04 AM -0800 1/5/03, Chris Muir wrote:

>One thing I find myself doing a fair amount in my looping is 
>building some sort of simple background, then copying it into all 
>available loops. From there I can develop each copy in a different 
>way, yet because they all share a common base, there is a sense of 
>continuity. Switching between them can still be very interesting 
>because even though they all started from the same root, the 
>development of each loop can be radically different.

I use a similar generative procedure in my music and intermedia work. 
In the latter it tends to be rather less obvious to the audience, at 
least at first, but can help to unify the total experience of a 
piece. An early piece where this procedure was both deliberate and 
clear was my 1982 "Nocturne II." I made the piece specifically for a 
performance art venue that was very reverberant, so I took the idea 
of echoes and reverberation as a basis. I worked with it aurally 
through repetitive musical patterns and tape echo, visually through 
repetitive visual patterns and shadows, and metaphorically through 
literary and philosophical texts.

For instance, I used a reading of the myth of Echo from Ovid's 
Metamorphoses, with two copies of the voice that started in unison 
and drifted slowly apart in time while they also split apart 
spatially and roamed around the gallery through an 8-channel speaker 
system. Simultaneously there was a physics demonstration of standing 
waves, using a giant Slinky. At another point I used the Allegory of 
the Cave form Plato's Republic, with four time-delayed voice tracks 
coming from four individual speakers. This was layered with the sound 
of waves breaking on a beach, while the shadows of objects that had 
been prominent were cast on the ceiling from a hidden light source. 
Perhaps the most overly loop-oriented moment came when I had two 
roller-skating flute players orbiting around the two audience groups 
while playing repetitive patterns.
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At 12:01 AM -0800 1/5/03, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>DMC  has come out with a new model Ground Control.  This one looks 
>more like the Rocktron All-Access (3 rows of 4 metal switches, LED 
>character read-out) and has MIDI In for restoring your data (I think 
>the old one didn't).

I saw the Ground Control Pro at NAMM a year ago. It's not as flexible 
as I had hoped. All Access is still probably the best choice if you 
want to do more than send out program and control change messages.
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At 6:07 PM +0000 1/5/03, jj 179 wrote:

>this i would like to have heard.

It wasn't all that exciting, since his delivery is rather dry. I 
doubt anyone recognized his voice, so it was more of a private joke 
for me.


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Well, that's too bad.  So, am I correct in assuming that the only IN 
PRODUCTION controllers that have a complete enough MIDI implementation 
for the EDP and Repeater are the Behringer and the All Access?

TH

 >The midi implementation is very weak. It mainly only sends Program 
Change messages, with some >limited ability to send continuous 
controllers. The rest of the midi spec is not available. I'm not sure 
why >they call it the Ground Control Pro. To me, a "pro" midi 
controller should be able to send any midi >command. If you were 
looking for a pedal to fully control the Repeater or the Echoplex, this 
would be a >bad choice since it cannot send all the midi commands that 
either of those can receive. (midi note >messages, for example.)

 >kim

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Although they don't loop as such, the Swedish Sax
Septet has done some very interesting music using an
all-saxophone group to interpret trad Swedish tunes. 
I'm using the album as a way to explore song
construction using (essentially) one instrument, since
I can't afford to buy a bunch of MIDI synths and
rhythm boxes to flesh out my loopy sound.  Sonny
Sharrock's album _Guitar_ is also instructive in this
vein (and was recently rereleased by Enemy).

Later,
Scott



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>At 12:01 AM -0800 1/5/03, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>>DMC  has come out with a new model Ground Control.  This one looks 
>>more like the Rocktron All-Access (3 rows of 4 metal switches, LED 
>>character read-out) and has MIDI In for restoring your data (I 
>>think the old one didn't).
>
>I saw the Ground Control Pro at NAMM a year ago. It's not as 
>flexible as I had hoped. All Access is still probably the best 
>choice if you want to do more than send out program and control 
>change messages.

I swear by the Lake Butler MIDI Mitigator and I know
someone who wants to sell one (a looper, even!)

You can do anything you like with the Mitigator.

     /t
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YAY! FRESH MEAT.  Welcome to the list and all that.

water cat wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Well here's a new looper fresh to the list. My name is Peter Hutter,
> and I'm about to purchase a repeater (repeter?)

Are you awear that the Repeater is no longer in production?  Still able
to obtain service for them via TC Electronics, but as far as seeing a
new Repeater out of a factory, the closest you're going to get is seeing
some of it's componants stuffed in a Karaoke machine. (sadly true)  Some
time ago there was a lone one at Banana's At Large in San Rafael CA, but
I don't know if it's still there.  If you can't find a retail store with
one, your best bet is probably eBay at this point.  Used they are
selling for about what they went for new.


> 
>     I wish to make virtual dixieland with the repeater, all with saxes
> for now. Bari, tenor and alto. I also love the idea of being able to
> pull the different tracks in and out, and am specifically thinking of
> this with the spoken word community.

That sounds like a job for the Repeater all right.  Another possiblility
would be to use a Mac and Mark of the Unicorn's Digital Performer 3. 
It's got a really nice function called POLAR (performance orientated
loop assisted recording) that mimics a lot of what the Repeater can do. 
Get yourself a *lot* of RAM though.

> 
>     I also was thinking of the repeater as a way to create a sax
> section in a band. You have a musical motif being repeated by the
> group, you add a sax section kind of part, loop it, ad a harmony, etc.
> I imagine that all of these ideas aren't new in concept, but I'd love
> any feedback on this anyone is willing to offer, especially as it
> relates to time magazine, brian eno, and scurrilous something or
> others.

I've had mixed results with playing with other musicians and loops. 
I've done a bunch of stuff with drummer John Wagner and Chapman Stick
player Jon El-Bizri and they're amazing.  They know loops and it
*works*.  Then there are the not so loop orientated.  Usually I find
these are people that have less than perfect timing/tempo control.  It
can be difficult.  Even if you get musicians that are good at timing, it
is often hard to hear the loop and people can drift.  Experimentation
and practice should yield results though.  Don't be discouraged if it
doesn't happen right away.

> 
>     Off topic the list may have been, and that was a lot of emails to
> get there for a while, but I dug most of it and it was refreshing to
> hear some other leftist wackos wack off for a bit.
> 
> 
Damn, I hate it when people can hear me wack off!  I'M GOING BLIND!

Mark Sottilaro

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Good point!  I totally agree.  Where does the looping begin and I end? 
Hard to put a finger on that.

Mark Sottilaro

Ian Popperwell wrote:
> 
>
> 
> As musicians, I'm not sure how useful or even possible it is for us to try to
> separate ourselves from the context in which we make music: the economic, the
> political and the cultural context. Whatever our particular political (or
> Political) stance, it has to be talkable about else we stagnate. There are
> plenty of people who strangely claim some pride in avoiding learning about
> what's going on in the world (not reading newspapers, neither
> watching/listening to the news), some musicians also find it hard to have
> conversations that veers away from music technology.
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I'm from Minnesota as well.


~Peter T Hutter.










 










>From: Dion Stewart 

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>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #12 

>Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:27:23 -0600 

> 

>Heh, heh. There actually is a looper here in Minnesota who plays and 

>records with solar power. His name is Michael Monroe. I think he 

>uses a Jamman in his rig. 

> 

>http://hometown.aol.com/mmonroedmm/index.html 

> 

> 

>There was a thread a while back about whether or not you should 

>explain how you're creating your loop based music during a 

>performance. Michael does, and the way he goes about it is pretty 

>effective. Between his normal pieces he'll explain that he's using a 

>device that allows him to record short loops of music and play over 

>them in real time. He'll sing something like, "I can record myself 

>singing something and then add to it" and capture it in the Jamman. 

>Then he'll sing the same 'lyric' ("I can record myself singing 

>something and then add to it") in harmony with the first, capture 

>that, and let it loop. It only takes about a minute and since he's 

>describing looping while looping (would that be metalooping?) it's 

>quite effective in communicating to the audience how the looping 

>works. 

> 

> 

> 

>Dion 

> 

> 

>On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 05:41 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: 

> 

>>I tried being in a band with Noam, and he insisted that everything 

>>we 

>>use be solar powered and we just couldn't get it loud enough here 

>>in the 

>>often cloudy SF Bay area. 


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I tend to agree with Mark, I've posted a few technical questions in the
past, loop related or at least loop equipment related, that have been
cheerfully answered by people on the list, BTW thank you again!
And I will post on the list if somebody asks something I have answers for,
or if I feel I can add positively to the ambient noise.
The list fulfills its intended purpose anyway, all the people posting on LD
are 'loopers' in a way or another, and the discussion comes back to looping,
looping techniques, looping gear no matter what.
I even read people saying they're looping W.Bush's insane talking! Which
cheerfully proves once more that propaganda is the best developped of all
the looping techniques.

All the best,
Laurent


> From: Mark 
> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 00:45:35 -0800
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Off-Topicers Delight!
> 
> To be honest... what is there left to talk about?  We've been through
> every function of every major hardware looper about 100 times.  We've
> done the philosophy into the ground as well.  I even think we're
> positive that "Looping" is not a genera of music... so I honestly can't
> think of a single loop related thread to start.  I think in a sense that
> means the list is maturing, maybe getting stale.  I'm sure there are
> hundreds of list members, but let's face it, there are probably about 20
> of us that do most of the posts.  An infusion of new loopers would be
> nice, but where are they?  Not too many it seems.  I still enjoy the
> list though.  I actually kind of enjoy the off topicness of it all
> because after a while talking about looping just gets damn repetitive.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> Kim Flint wrote:
>> 
> Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic!


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Wow Richard~


This piece sounds truly amazing.


~Peter T Hutter.










 










>From: Richard Zvonar 

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>Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 10:36:37 -0800 

> 

>At 1:04 AM -0800 1/5/03, Chris Muir wrote: 

> 

>>One thing I find myself doing a fair amount in my looping is 

>>building some sort of simple background, then copying it into all 

>>available loops. From there I can develop each copy in a different 

>>way, yet because they all share a common base, there is a sense of 

>>continuity. Switching between them can still be very interesting 

>>because even though they all started from the same root, the 

>>development of each loop can be radically different. 

> 

>I use a similar generative procedure in my music and intermedia 

>work. In the latter it tends to be rather less obvious to the 

>audience, at least at first, but can help to unify the total 

>experience of a piece. An early piece where this procedure was both 

>deliberate and clear was my 1982 "Nocturne II." I made the piece 

>specifically for a performance art venue that was very reverberant, 

>so I took the idea of echoes and reverberation as a basis. I worked 

>with it aurally through repetitive musical patterns and tape echo, 

>visually through repetitive visual patterns and shadows, and 

>metaphorically through literary and philosophical texts. 

> 

>For instance, I used a reading of the myth of Echo from Ovid's 

>Metamorphoses, with two copies of the voice that started in unison 

>and drifted slowly apart in time while they also split apart 

>spatially and roamed around the gallery through an 8-channel speaker 

>system. Simultaneously there was a physics demonstration of standing 

>waves, using a giant Slinky. At another point I used the Allegory of 

>the Cave form Plato's Republic, with four time-delayed voice tracks 

>coming from four individual speakers. This was layered with the 

>sound of waves breaking on a beach, while the shadows of objects 

>that had been prominent were cast on the ceiling from a hidden light 

>source. Perhaps the most overly loop-oriented moment came when I had 

>two roller-skating flute players orbiting around the two audience 

>groups while playing repetitive patterns. 

>-- 

> 

>______________________________________________________________ 

>Richard Zvonar, PhD 

>(818) 788-2202 

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I skimmed the specs for the Ground Control Pro at one point. I think it will
do as well if not better than the Behringer. That still leaves a long way to
go, however, for controlling high-end loop boxes.

Not that the EDP is competing with the Repeater any more (except in the used
market), but does it count as a feature for the EDP that you can get a
reasonably cheap foot controller that exploits it fairly well? Or does the
amount of extra stuff in Loop IV undercut that "feature" since Loop IV does
a lot to make a good MIDI controller more attractive when using the EDP?
Now, if only such beasts existed and were reasonably obtainable.

Mark

on 1/5/03 10:43 AM, Travis Hartnett at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote:

> Well, that's too bad.  So, am I correct in assuming that the only IN
> PRODUCTION controllers that have a complete enough MIDI implementation
> for the EDP and Repeater are the Behringer and the All Access?
> 
> TH
> 
>> The midi implementation is very weak. It mainly only sends Program
> Change messages, with some >limited ability to send continuous
> controllers. The rest of the midi spec is not available. I'm not sure
> why >they call it the Ground Control Pro. To me, a "pro" midi
> controller should be able to send any midi >command. If you were
> looking for a pedal to fully control the Repeater or the Echoplex, this
> would be a >bad choice since it cannot send all the midi commands that
> either of those can receive. (midi note >messages, for example.)
> 
>> kim
> 
> 

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Tanks Mark,


We'll all have hairy hands by the end of the week.


I tried finding banana'a at large, but their webpage is gone or down. I have been watching on ebay for a repeater. SHould have bought one for 400$ when that was the going rate for a used one, or when gc closed them out.


I'll get one. I'm a bad little sniper.


~Peter.










 










>From: Mark 

>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

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>Subject: Re: rePeter~ 

>Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 10:47:29 -0800 

> 

>YAY! FRESH MEAT. Welcome to the list and all that. 

> 

>water cat wrote: 

> > 

> > Hi, 

> > 

> > Well here's a new looper fresh to the list. My name is Peter Hutter, 

> > and I'm about to purchase a repeater (repeter?) 

> 

>Are you awear that the Repeater is no longer in production? Still able 

>to obtain service for them via TC Electronics, but as far as seeing a 

>new Repeater out of a factory, the closest you're going to get is seeing 

>some of it's componants stuffed in a Karaoke machine. (sadly true) Some 

>time ago there was a lone one at Banana's At Large in San Rafael CA, but 

>I don't know if it's still there. If you can't find a retail store with 

>one, your best bet is probably eBay at this point. Used they are 

>selling for about what they went for new. 

> 

> 

> > 

> > I wish to make virtual dixieland with the repeater, all with saxes 

> > for now. Bari, tenor and alto. I also love the idea of being able to 

> > pull the different tracks in and out, and am specifically thinking of 

> > this with the spoken word community. 

> 

>That sounds like a job for the Repeater all right. Another possiblility 

>would be to use a Mac and Mark of the Unicorn's Digital Performer 3. 

>It's got a really nice function called POLAR (performance orientated 

>loop assisted recording) that mimics a lot of what the Repeater can do. 

>Get yourself a *lot* of RAM though. 

> 

> > 

> > I also was thinking of the repeater as a way to create a sax 

> > section in a band. You have a musical motif being repeated by the 

> > group, you add a sax section kind of part, loop it, ad a harmony, etc. 

> > I imagine that all of these ideas aren't new in concept, but I'd love 

> > any feedback on this anyone is willing to offer, especially as it 

> > relates to time magazine, brian eno, and scurrilous something or 

> > others. 

> 

>I've had mixed results with playing with other musicians and loops. 

>I've done a bunch of stuff with drummer John Wagner and Chapman Stick 

>player Jon El-Bizri and they're amazing. They know loops and it 

>*works*. Then there are the not so loop orientated. Usually I find 

>these are people that have less than perfect timing/tempo control. It 

>can be difficult. Even if you get musicians that are good at timing, it 

>is often hard to hear the loop and people can drift. Experimentation 

>and practice should yield results though. Don't be discouraged if it 

>doesn't happen right away. 

> 

> > 

> > Off topic the list may have been, and that was a lot of emails to 

> > get there for a while, but I dug most of it and it was refreshing to 

> > hear some other leftist wackos wack off for a bit. 

> > 

> > 

>Damn, I hate it when people can hear me wack off! I'M GOING BLIND! 

> 

>Mark Sottilaro 


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Well suffice it to say, if anyone knows of or comes across a repeater for sale PLEASE LET ME KNOW! I'll be watching ebay like a hawk.


Thanks,


Peter. 


ps to Mark~ called bananas and it's gone, oh well, thanks for the tip!










 










>From: Mark 

>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

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>Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 00:45:35 -0800 

> 

>To be honest... what is there left to talk about? We've been through 

>every function of every major hardware looper about 100 times. We've 

>done the philosophy into the ground as well. I even think we're 

>positive that "Looping" is not a genera of music... so I honestly can't 

>think of a single loop related thread to start. I think in a sense that 

>means the list is maturing, maybe getting stale. I'm sure there are 

>hundreds of list members, but let's face it, there are probably about 20 

>of us that do most of the posts. An infusion of new loopers would be 

>nice, but where are they? Not too many it seems. I still enjoy the 

>list though. I actually kind of enjoy the off topicness of it all 

>because after a while talking about looping just gets damn repetitive. 

> 

>Mark Sottilaro 

> 

>Kim Flint wrote: 

> > 

>Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic! 

> > 

> > 


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Hey,

A while ago one of the list members sent out some CDs to the first 5
people who responded to his email.  The catch was we had to review the
CD.  So here is my review.


Cooperation Transatlantic Collaboration
by
David Cooper (Orton UK)
James Sidlo (US)

My very first impression upon putting this CD in my player was that the
sound was nice and lush.  Reminiscent of Brian Eno's Apollo Soundscapes
album.  The first 7 songs are down tempo, ambient, languid and
beautiful.  I have one complaint though.  They seem way too short.  To
me, it seems like a really good musical idea starts to develop and then
it's over.  I'd like to see that 7 songs turn into 3 longer pieces that
somehow develop more.  Set that feedback to 50% and keep it going! 
These guys obviously have a lot of musical ideas, and are great players,
I just don't think they should be afraid to stretch out a bit,
especially with the genera of ambient.

Maybe it's because this album was done by mailing tapes across the
Atlantic and the musicians were not together during the recording of
this disc.  I didn't realize this until mid way through the album, but
upon reading this I thought, "Oh of course."  I think it kind of shows. 
There's a certain chemistry and magic that happens when two or more
people start playing in the same room together.  That development of an
idea, by two people improvising at the same time, is what is missing
from this disc.

Starting with the eighth song, "There And Back And There Again" They
start doing pieces that include electronic percussion and sequencers.  I
thought the percussion sounded a bit stiff and out of place for this
song and the next tune "East Of Ealing."  They sound a bit sterile and
harsh compared to the other instrumentation.  Maybe a trip through a
nice tube pre amp and a little good reverb would help the tonality so
the drum machine blends in with the lush and warm guitar sounds.  These
two pieces seem to be mostly sequencer. It's just my personal taste, but
I like a lot more of a blend of computer based and acoustic based
instruments in music.  They totally reach success in track 10 "Between
Breaks"  Nice drum and bass loops going under really nice inspired
guitar/bass loops.  One of my favorite tracks on the album.

Tracks 11 and 12 "Re: Cooperation Parts One and Two" are taking loops
from previous pieces and adding new instruments and
purcussion/drummachine on them.  If I were producing this album, I would
have had these tracks blend with their earlier incarnations for more
sonic verity in one piece.  Again, that's they way *I* like it.

Track 13 "Texas Trees" begins another really sweet track.  A nice chimey
down tempo composition that blends acoustic and electric guitars.... but
WHERE DID IT GO?  At a minute and a half, just when I'm getting into it,
it quickly fades out and the next song begins.  Musicus inturruptus.

Same holds true for track 14 "Never Enough Part One".  There wasn't
enough of this song.  Seemed like an intro to the next song.  Again, a
*really* good intro, but I wouldn't call it a fully realized musical
idea of it's own.

Some nice upbeat drums begin track 15 "Never Enough Part Two", but they
sound a bit dry and out of place next to the lush reverb drenched
guitars that flow on top of it.  Again, this song ends as soon as it
gets going.  Why?  GIVE ME MORE! IT'S NEVER ENOUGH!

So, while it seems like I may be trashing this disc, I don't mean to
be.  However, the idea "leave them wanting more" is just frustrating to
me.  This disc is full of great loops, lush instrumentation (although a
bit dry and stiff sounding percussion in places) cool musical ideas and
great performances.  The best analogy I can think of for this album is
it's like having the phone ring right before you're about to orgasm. 
It's your mother and she's yelling at you because you don't do enough. 
Mood breaker.  You get going again, then she calls again telling you
that she forgot to tell you a relative died.  Anyway, you get the
picture.  While some may say these pieces are short and sweet, I say
they are never enough.

Mark Sottilaro

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> Well, that's too bad.  So, am I correct in assuming that the only IN 
> PRODUCTION controllers that have a complete enough MIDI implementation 
> for the EDP and Repeater are the Behringer and the All Access?
> 
> TH
> 

the All access was on hold ??? last time I tried to find one (a year ago) 
have 2 pmc10 now so I'm covered for the rest of my life  ...................

Claude

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  Kim Flint wrote:
>Sure, we can play six degrees of Looper's Delight and manage to justify anything. 


     This is an interesting point that Kim brings up.  Most of the posts in the last month are
within one or two degrees of separation from actual looping.  In my opinion, this is where LD is
most valuable.

     In one sense, this is a list about Looping, the music that arises from this process, the
tools that we use to create this music, and our own personal approaches that brought us to the
point where we can appreciate what Looping offers us.

     In another sense, it is (or has become) about how this relates to other parts of our lives.

     The question becomes, how many degrees of separation do we want to sustain on this list?  If
no degrees of separation are allowed, I'd be much less interested in what goes on here.  On the
other hand, if several degrees of separation become the norm, I'd probably not even stay connected
here.

     Would I personally like to see LD get back on track and talk more about Looping than it
already does?  With all respect to Kim, no.  Currently (and this past month included) I am more
than happy with the state of the list.  The diversity of interests and the (relative) intellegence
and thoughtfulness that people bring to their posts are a breath of fresh air, especially when
compared to many other lists that exist on the Internet.

         SVG     (just one voice in the crowd encouraging people to keep their posts within one or
two degrees of separation... heck, you can even talk about Looping itself!)

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I pretty much agree with Kim that the signal-to-noise
has been skewed away from looping as of late, but I'm
not sure I'm convinced that all of the examples of
OT-ness he gave are really that far afield. I mean,
when a listmember asks about midi controllers, mixers
or  rack wiring, it's usually in the context of how to
set up or best use a looping device, whether or not
that is specified. Our loopers don't exist in
isolation. We've got to send signal into them, and
their output has to go somewhere. If we were a fuzzbox
list, I'm sure people would be discussing the relative
merits of different types of guitar pickup; a guitar
pickup is not a fuzzbox, but it is certainly a factor
in the performance of the fuzzbox. I look at a
question about a mixer's aux sends in the same way;
someone probably wants to know more about how to best
route a signal through a setup that is centered around
one or more looping devices. Also, a lot of the
non-looping gear discussion was concerned with pre- or
post-processing a looped signal. That's not, IMO,
*six* degrees of LD, but maybe two or, at most,
three...

I believe the Peter Gabriel thread was sparked by
someone's observation that he includes a JamMan (AS an
instrument) in the list of instruments he used on the
latest album. The "acoustic guitar as drum" topic was,
at least as I understood it, offered in the light of
looking to explain/solve the tone difference between
the original and looped signals when using the
instrument WITH A LOOPER to creat a variety of timbre
and to fill several simultaneous musical roles in live
performance. We've had numerous threads in the past
dealing with pre-electronic cultural equivalents of
looping such as the use of ostinato in Bach, Reich and
the like, the prominence of repetition and cycles in
gnawa and gamelan musics (to name a few); a thread
about the didgeridoo has the potential to be VERY
on-topic, even if we don't specifically mention
looping didgeridoo-ers like Dr. Didg or Tom Heasley,
but talk about techniques for getting a seamless drone
going, which essentially serves a similar musical role
as at least one aspect of looping, but can be done
acoustically.

I do agree with Kim completely about political posts,
though. As interesting as the sentiments expressed may
be (on both sides, in many cases), such posts elicit
reactivity to the extent that topicality is lost
completely. And the bandwidth goes waaay up.

No, I don't think we've run out of legitimate looping
topics at all, but I do think we have to provide a
context. The instruments we play THROUGH loopers, the
different ways we might hook the loopers up, the pros
and cons of techniques we use to record and distribute
the recordings we make of our loop-oriented music, the
reaction of audiences and critics to loop-based music;
that's all relevant, an integral *part* of looping,
not merely "related" to it.

Kim's certainly not off the mark in asking us to try
harder to stay on topic, and we certainly *do* tend to
wander even through legitimate on-topic threads, but
it IS often hard to define the edges of that gray area
where looping stops and OT begins.

-t-

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> So what is the problem? 

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     TH was talking about IN PRODUCTION controllers.  Here's a website that talks about Lake
Butler's current status.    http://www.anim8r.com/studio/lakebutler.html


   "Lake Butler Sound Company seems to have gone out of business. I have recieved several emails
from people who say the have tried to contact them but had no luck. As a result I am posting the
following information about the company for people who need to contact them for service or parts,
although I am not sure if they still offer any level of support at all. And before someone gives
me a bag of crap for posting this, I want to say that this information is public record and was
obtained from Florida Department of State, Division of Corporations."


> Well, that's too bad.  So, am I correct in assuming that the only IN 
> PRODUCTION controllers that have a complete enough MIDI implementation 
> for the EDP and Repeater are the Behringer and the All Access?
> 
> TH


 
> I swear by the Lake Butler MIDI Mitigator and I know
> someone who wants to sell one (a looper, even!)
> 
> You can do anything you like with the Mitigator.
> 
>      /t


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At 7:32 PM -0800 1/4/03, Kim Flint wrote:
>Like I said, going off topic once in a while isn't a big deal, but we're off topic constantly.

Your problem is that this message was sent from a Windows machine, and everyone knows that a [Mac, Linux, Amiga, Atari,..] is the best machine to get mailing lists back on topic.

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> for those interested:...

> there will be live looping; i'll certainly employ 1 edp, 1 pcm42, 1 repeater,
> and the electronic feedback loop between my gtrs and amp.
> 
> best,
> dt / splattercell


"electronic feedback loop" is the most
forceful,creative,unlimited,chaotic,musical,
 amusical and meaningful
looping i have heard and love to play.
dt being a master.

goinloopy
stan

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I am considering purchasing a pair of the ev sax100a's, their powered speakers for a live pa setup. Playing baritone acoustic, national resophonics, vox, djembe, and sax through with repeater looping. Any feedback on these speakers?


Also, any thoughts on compact non powered mixers with on board effects?


How bout a good compressor for some phat guitar sound?


I'm using ART's pro vla and mpa right now, and haven't tried it yet, but am considering using a pair of earthworks SR77 mics for micing the guitars, setting one for nylonstring and general fingerpicking levels, and the other for reso thumpville. I have sunrise pickups in all my flattops, which I am moderately satisfied with, and am debating going with mics only.


Thanks,


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At 10:43 AM 1/5/2003, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>Well, that's too bad.  So, am I correct in assuming that the only IN 
>PRODUCTION controllers that have a complete enough MIDI implementation for 
>the EDP and Repeater are the Behringer and the All Access?

There is the Yamamha MFC-10, although some have complained it has too much 
latency from when you press a button to when the command is sent. It does 
offer a much more complete midi implementation:
http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gMCD00005MFC10

And there is the Roland FC-200, which I believe also offers a complete midi 
implementation:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?catid=1&subcatid=4&prodid=FC%2D200


kim



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I do use the note on/off of the Behringer FCB1010 to control Loop IV.
While far from being complete, it seems like with just some software
updates the FCB could be *the* choice for controlling the EDP. 

And  I can't tell you how helpful the visual displays of feedback
settings is on the EDP...pure genius. (ha)

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Hi,

I'm using a Line 6 DM4 for both delays and looping with my wind synth in a new
band 
and need my loops to sync more accurately. 

My accuracy has improved enormously using my Line 6 over a couple of years,
and
its fine for me playing solo or with other 'live' musicians. However, when one
of my loops forms the basis for a piece and it needs to run solidly with drum
loops (that the drummer creates with drum machine or sequencer) and an
arpegiator, then my loops always drift. I know that this is inevitable but
Iwonder if there's a looper that is MIDI clockable or has a MIDI trigger so
that it will always start at the right moment, - say a start message every 4,
5,8 whatever bars. Any advice would be appreciated. I'd still keep my line 6
for its delays and more ambient loops.

Ian.



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----- Original Message -----
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> At 7:32 PM -0800 1/4/03, Kim Flint wrote:
> >Like I said, going off topic once in a while isn't a big deal, but we're
off topic constantly.
>
> Your problem is that this message was sent from a Windows machine, and
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get mailing lists back on topic.

I'm reminded of a phrase paraphrased by Mac adherents early on, and to this
day, that has as much validity as the original one, which was "Get a horse!"

Think about it, won't you? :)

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Keep going off topic, because OT sometimes lead back to the topic
The following link  http://www.fxpansion.com/skunkworks/skunk.php
Got me this site http://www.ucapps.de which doesn't directly have
anything
To do with loops. Except if you have upgraded your EDP to Loop IV. Have
a look inside
Of the EDP and you find a little Microcontroller from Motorola
MC16HC000.
I have purchased the FC1010 for controlling my EDP, but next time or if
I decide
To add another additional controller I will definitely build it
Thanks all go OT as much as you want I find it interesting and
educational


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The FC-200 works reasonably well for EDP control. It's quite good for
sending control messages. Much better than many competing pedals. It
doesn't, however, provide a particularly easy way to split the pedals
between control changes and program changes unless you work with a lot of
external control pedals (which it also supports).

Mark

on 1/5/03 2:40 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote:

> And there is the Roland FC-200, which I believe also offers a complete midi
> implementation:
> 
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?catid=1&subcatid=4&prodid=FC%2D20>
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The samples are real nice

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Howdy,

        Here's a the cd baby site with mp3s: 


                http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/recooperation

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stan,
i said,
>> there will be live looping; i'll certainly employ 1 edp, 1 pcm42, 1 
repeater,
>> and the electronic feedback loop between my gtrs and amp.
>> 
>> best,
>> dt / splattercell

you replied,
>"electronic feedback loop" is the most
>forceful,creative,unlimited,chaotic,musical,
> amusical and meaningful
>looping i have heard and love to play.
to be clear, i wasn't trying to be clever, nor was i referring to the (for 
me) 'normal' playable loop of guitar/amp/speaker/pickup feedback;
i was mentioning the electronic feedback loop that i've got built into my 
instruments, wherein a line-output from my amp is sent back to the input on 
the guitar, whilst the guitar output is still connected to the amp in the 
normal way.
i have a very fast momentary switch on the face of the instrument that allows 
for toggling between output (normal) and input (electronic feedback loop).
when the loop is engaged, the broad potential range of the feedback signal's 
pitch/timbre/rhythm is manipulated not by the instrument's strings, but via 
*any* control in the path, eg volume, tone, any ctrls on pedal-devices 
etc.....
additionally, i've discovered that the last actual *played* notes (while the 
guitar is set to 'output', that is) ---depending on their distortion 
lvl/waveshape--- will certainly deeply affect the beginning of the 
feedback-loop's harmonic/timbral arc and shape.....

if you have a mixer at hand, you can experiment w/this by feeding any 
channel's output directly to its input --- ie, no 'instrument' in the path 
--- and then massage all eq's, faders, etc that are in the channel path;
obviously, if you then add/insert delay-based/looping devices into the 
channel path, well..... have fun!
but:
when yer first mutzing around w/all this, be sure to *KEEP YER HAND ON THE 
MASTER FADER*, so as not to blow up your monitors.....

anyways, this is another kind of looping that i employ.

best,
dt / splattercell

http://www.splattercell.com
http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn

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Ian writes:

>I'm using a Line 6 DM4 for both delays and looping with my wind synth in a new
>band
>and need my loops to sync more accurately.
>
>My accuracy has improved enormously using my Line 6 over a couple of years,
>and
>its fine for me playing solo or with other 'live' musicians. However, when one
>of my loops forms the basis for a piece and it needs to run solidly with drum
>loops (that the drummer creates with drum machine or sequencer) and an
>arpegiator, then my loops always drift. I know that this is inevitable but
>Iwonder if there's a looper that is MIDI clockable or has a MIDI trigger so
>that it will always start at the right moment, - say a start message every 4,
>5,8 whatever bars. Any advice would be appreciated. I'd still keep my line 6
>for its delays and more ambient loops.

The rack mounted Line6 Pro has MIDI sync and they are blowing
them out fairly cheaply right now.

You could get what you wanted and basically still have the
unit that you are used to.

     /t
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ian,
re: the below:
check the loopersdelight archives for info on:
the echoplex digital pro {EDP ---still in production!}, the repeater, the 
jamman, etc, as
these are a few of the valuable hardware looping-devices which will allow for 
your need to stay-in-sync.....
best,
dt / splattercell

>However, when one of my loops forms the basis for a piece and it needs to 
run solidly with
>drum loops (that the drummer creates with drum machine or sequencer) and an
>arpegiator, then my loops always drift.

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The midi sync on the Echo Pro is notoriously poor- the archives have plenty
of info-  I strongly suggest you try before you buy or make sure there is an
adequate return policy-

The EDP is by far the best looper as far as triggering/sync goes- but you
have none of the delay emulations you are used to- a simple fix: Use the DL4
in front of an EDP!

Cliff

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> Ian writes:
>
> >I'm using a Line 6 DM4 for both delays and looping with my wind synth in
a new
> >band
> >and need my loops to sync more accurately.
> >


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Dear Kim,

I read your post with great interest
and have concurred with you on much of what you have said.

I have a couple of thoughts in response:

What we have here is a community of loopers that is unmoderated (a policy
you
have been almost militant about).   As such most of these posts reflect
where the
people in this list are at and what they are interested in discussing.
I always assume it is loopers speaking and it becomes quite obvious when
some one
is actually SPAMMING us, gratuitously, so I take it all with a grain of
salt.

Consequently,  I read most of these posts in that context and they don't
bother me
(particularly when they have the ubiquitous OT brand on them).

I'm so busy that I just can't read every post to this list so I do a lot of
selective
erasing to try and get to the things that interest me........I imagine that
I am like most people here in that respect.  I also know that I frequently
miss some really good shit and would enjoin anyone on this list to post me
off-list if they see a particular thread that they wish I would pipe in
on.........I do miss a bunch, regretfully.

My particular mild beef about Loopers Delight is that I wish there were more
discussions about how people are getting creative in a musical sense with
their
techniques of looping.

The creative threads for me have been the ones I"ve loved the most.
I was selfishly hoping that people would go to town on the 'using the
acoustic
guitar as a percussion instrument' thread because it was so 'loop' specific
in it's context.............but you can't win 'em all.

I now go to the Repeater site and will begin going to the EDP site for
specific gear related stuff because it is so much more pithy although the
archives here are fantastic (and I repeatedly thank you for everything that
you have done to make this
available to us all).

So,  I agree with you mostly and I also think that 'it is what it it' and
that is
one of the prices we pay for having an un-moderated free community.

I was telling someone today at the Flea Market about our community and I was
saying
that it seemed to me that we actually had a very high percentage of very
creative
and ambitious artists in our ranks...........higher than any musical genre
or style
that I"ve ever been associated with.............I guess with the creativity
comes
the idiosyncracies that make this place occasionally annoying.

I direct you to my last post about changing the name of my new looping band
as
a loving poke at the uncontrollable nature of this website.

It's a tad anarchic and I still think of it as an incredible blessing in my
life.

thanks for allowing it to happen (even when it's irritating).

appreciatively yours,   Rick Walker (loop.pool)



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>      TH was talking about IN PRODUCTION controllers.

I did point out that I knew someone who wants to sell him!
(Not me -- I have two of them, one of which I've only
turned on twice, I got it as a cheap backup.)

motto:  if you can get one, it's in production!


    /t

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O O mybad-if i had thought about what DT said(knowing wot i know of yer
setup) i woulda realized what you were talkin of specifically. i really do
pay attention.......sometimes
s
(cant wait to *hear* whatcher spreken)

> to be clear, i wasn't trying to be clever, nor was i referring to the (for
> me) 'normal' playable loop of guitar/amp/speaker/pickup feedback;
> i was mentioning the electronic feedback loop that i've got built into my
> instruments, wherein a line-output from my amp is sent back to the input on
> the guitar, whilst the guitar output is still connected to the amp in the
> normal way.
> i have a very fast momentary switch on the face of the instrument that allows
> for toggling between output (normal) and input (electronic feedback loop).
> when the loop is engaged, the broad potential range of the feedback signal's
> pitch/timbre/rhythm is manipulated not by the instrument's strings, but via
> *any* control in the path, eg volume, tone, any ctrls on pedal-devices
> etc.....
> additionally, i've discovered that the last actual *played* notes (while the
> guitar is set to 'output', that is) ---depending on their distortion
> lvl/waveshape--- will certainly deeply affect the beginning of the
> feedback-loop's harmonic/timbral arc and shape.....
> 
> if you have a mixer at hand, you can experiment w/this by feeding any
> channel's output directly to its input --- ie, no 'instrument' in the path
> --- and then massage all eq's, faders, etc that are in the channel path;
> obviously, if you then add/insert delay-based/looping devices into the
> channel path, well..... have fun!
> but:
> when yer first mutzing around w/all this, be sure to *KEEP YER HAND ON THE
> MASTER FADER*, so as not to blow up your monitors.....
> 
> anyways, this is another kind of looping that i employ.
> 
> best,
> dt / splattercell
> 
> http://www.splattercell.com
> http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn
> 

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Looks like you are in the market for an Echoplex Digital Pro.

Mark Sottilaro

Ian Popperwell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm using a Line 6 DM4 for both delays and looping with my wind synth in a new
> band
> and need my loops to sync more accurately.
>
> My accuracy has improved enormously using my Line 6 over a couple of years,
> and
> its fine for me playing solo or with other 'live' musicians. However, when one
> of my loops forms the basis for a piece and it needs to run solidly with drum
> loops (that the drummer creates with drum machine or sequencer) and an
> arpegiator, then my loops always drift. I know that this is inevitable but
> Iwonder if there's a looper that is MIDI clockable or has a MIDI trigger so
> that it will always start at the right moment, - say a start message every 4,
> 5,8 whatever bars. Any advice would be appreciated. I'd still keep my line 6
> for its delays and more ambient loops.
>
> Ian.

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*WARNING* That's what Line6 would like you to believe, but it's been discovered by
many on this list that the Line6 Delay Pro's loops *DO NOT* synch to MIDI.  I've
also heard that the regular synched delay SUCKS as well.  If you're looking for a
delay to synch to MIDI (cheaply) check out the Lexicon MPX100, 500 and 1.  (none
of these could be concidered loopers though)

Mark Sottilaro

Tom Ritchford wrote:

> Ian writes:
>
> >I'm using a Line 6 DM4 for both delays and looping with my wind synth in a new
> >band
> >and need my loops to sync more accurately.
> >
> >My accuracy has improved enormously using my Line 6 over a couple of years,
> >and
> >its fine for me playing solo or with other 'live' musicians. However, when one
> >of my loops forms the basis for a piece and it needs to run solidly with drum
> >loops (that the drummer creates with drum machine or sequencer) and an
> >arpegiator, then my loops always drift. I know that this is inevitable but
> >Iwonder if there's a looper that is MIDI clockable or has a MIDI trigger so
> >that it will always start at the right moment, - say a start message every 4,
> >5,8 whatever bars. Any advice would be appreciated. I'd still keep my line 6
> >for its delays and more ambient loops.
>
> The rack mounted Line6 Pro has MIDI sync and they are blowing
> them out fairly cheaply right now.
>
> You could get what you wanted and basically still have the
> unit that you are used to.
>
>      /t
> --
>
> http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday!
> http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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I'll second (or third) that.  The Aurisis team has taken great care to make 
sure that the EDP syncs flawlessly to MIDI clock.  I always use mine synced 
to drum machines, and they never let me down.  They're the shit, especially 
with LoopIV software.

-Hans


At 18:08 05/01/2003, you wrote:
>Looks like you are in the market for an Echoplex Digital Pro.
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>Ian Popperwell wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm using a Line 6 DM4 for both delays and looping with my wind synth 
> in a new
> > band
> > and need my loops to sync more accurately.


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Actually, the T.C. Electronics D-Two is good as a MIDI-synced looper, as 
well (for short loops).

-Hans


At 18:15 05/01/2003, you wrote:
>If you're looking for a
>delay to synch to MIDI (cheaply) check out the Lexicon MPX100, 500 and 
>1.  (none
>of these could be concidered loopers though)
>
>Mark Sottilaro


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Hey kids,

Really cool event taking place next weekend at 21Grand in Oakland.  I'll be
playing with Big City Orchestra (with fellow list member dAS, his wife and
others) on Saturday at 6:00, but I noticed that on Friday there will be a
showing by Matt Davignon and on Saturday he's on the bill AGAIN as well as Max
Valentino and Jon Wagner.  Should be a *sweet* show.  Each band has members
replaced by the next act so there will be an ever shifting lineup.  FUN!

http://www.21grand.org/calendar.html

Mark Sottilaro

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hi all,

it may have been brought up before, but I thought some might not know about
the multiple jamman emulation that runs under the pd (puredata) software
environment.  (pd is made by the same guy who made max/msp, only its
completely free!).  this interesting looper is called live builder.  i don't
have a url but do a google for pd and go to the community website if your
interested.

this brings me to a question for Rick Walker: did you have anything to do
with the loopool application that runs under pd (on which the live builder
application above is supposedly based).  i would like to check it out but it
only runs under linux...

regards
michael
from apparently inflated australia

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> >I'm using a Line 6 DM4 for both delays and looping with my wind synth in a new
> >band
> >and need my loops to sync more accurately.
> >
> >My accuracy has improved enormously using my Line 6 over a couple of years,
> >and
> >its fine for me playing solo or with other 'live' musicians. However, when one
> >of my loops forms the basis for a piece and it needs to run solidly with drum
> >loops (that the drummer creates with drum machine or sequencer) and an
> >arpegiator, then my loops always drift. I know that this is inevitable but
> >Iwonder if there's a looper that is MIDI clockable or has a MIDI trigger so
> >that it will always start at the right moment, - say a start message every 4,
> >5,8 whatever bars. Any advice would be appreciated. I'd still keep my line 6
> >for its delays and more ambient loops.
> 
> The rack mounted Line6 Pro has MIDI sync and they are blowing
> them out fairly cheaply right now.
> 
> You could get what you wanted and basically still have the
> unit that you are used to.

Unfortunately, the Line 6 Pro looper model doesn't sync to MIDI clock
- only the echo models. The EDP syncs *very* well.

Cheers,
Scott M2

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One recently went for 1025.00 on e-bay...

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on 1/5/03 11:29 AM, scott kungha drengsen at kungha@earthlink.net wrote:

> One recently went for 1025.00 on e-bay...

Gee. I'd sell my barely used Repeater for that.

Mark

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This sounds sort of like what the Sustainer/Sustainiac does except that you
actually get to process the signal before it drives the strings. Correct?

Mark

on 1/5/03 4:04 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote:

> to be clear, i wasn't trying to be clever, nor was i referring to the (for
> me) 'normal' playable loop of guitar/amp/speaker/pickup feedback;
> i was mentioning the electronic feedback loop that i've got built into my
> instruments, wherein a line-output from my amp is sent back to the input on
> the guitar, whilst the guitar output is still connected to the amp in the
> normal way.
> i have a very fast momentary switch on the face of the instrument that allows
> for toggling between output (normal) and input (electronic feedback loop).
> when the loop is engaged, the broad potential range of the feedback signal's
> pitch/timbre/rhythm is manipulated not by the instrument's strings, but via
> *any* control in the path, eg volume, tone, any ctrls on pedal-devices
> etc.....

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Previous reports on the list have said no MIDI sync for looping on the Echo
Pro. Just for delays. Maybe Line6 wouldn't be needing to blow them out if
they hadn't screwed this up.

Mark

on 1/5/03 4:17 PM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote:

> The rack mounted Line6 Pro has MIDI sync and they are blowing
> them out fairly cheaply right now.
> 
> You could get what you wanted and basically still have the
> unit that you are used to.

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I will add, however, that though I'm not a DL4 user, I've heard reports that
people do manage to get excellent sync by retriggering the loop manually (or
rather pedally). Since I don't have one, I can't tell you how. Is there a
switch that means "Play"? Of course, that means you've got to keep your feet
busy doing yet one more thing.

I wonder whether one could make something similar work over MIDI with the
Echo Pro by sending the appropriate MIDI messages to it...

Mark

P.S. I'd have been much more interested in the Pro modelers if I could have
bought a 4 button footswitch for say $60 that would have given me the same
behavior as the floor pedals.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hamburg" 


> P.S. I'd have been much more interested in the Pro modelers if I could have
> bought a 4 button footswitch for say $60 that would have given me the same
> behavior as the floor pedals.

I have a friend who bought the DL4 Pro and is now looking for
a good MIDI footswitch for it which will give tap-tempo and such.
Small would also be an asset. Does anyone have any good suggestions?

Cheers,
Scott M2

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At 10:24 AM +0800 1/6/03, omjn wrote:

>pd is made by the same guy who made max/msp

Actually pd is from Miller S. Puckette whose initials are MSP and who 
was the original creator of Max but not of the software called MSP.

Max was named after Max V. Mathews who was the originator of Music 5 
and the Groove system, which was possibly the first interactive 
computer music system.
-- 

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Hi Rick,


Liked your post. I know I for one will want to discuss acoustic guitar as percussion instrument quite a bit as time goes by here, I own and play about eight different acoustics, everything from resonators to baritones to flattops to classicals.


~Peter Hutter in Minnesota










 










>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 

>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>To: 

>Subject: Off-Topicers Delight! 

>Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:58:11 -0800 

> 

>Dear Kim, 

> 

>I read your post with great interest 

>and have concurred with you on much of what you have said. 

> 

>I have a couple of thoughts in response: 

> 

>What we have here is a community of loopers that is unmoderated (a policy 

>you 

>have been almost militant about). As such most of these posts reflect 

>where the 

>people in this list are at and what they are interested in discussing. 

>I always assume it is loopers speaking and it becomes quite obvious when 

>some one 

>is actually SPAMMING us, gratuitously, so I take it all with a grain of 

>salt. 

> 

>Consequently, I read most of these posts in that context and they don't 

>bother me 

>(particularly when they have the ubiquitous OT brand on them). 

> 

>I'm so busy that I just can't read every post to this list so I do a lot of 

>selective 

>erasing to try and get to the things that interest me........I imagine that 

>I am like most people here in that respect. I also know that I frequently 

>miss some really good shit and would enjoin anyone on this list to post me 

>off-list if they see a particular thread that they wish I would pipe in 

>on.........I do miss a bunch, regretfully. 

> 

>My particular mild beef about Loopers Delight is that I wish there were more 

>discussions about how people are getting creative in a musical sense with 

>their 

>techniques of looping. 

> 

>The creative threads for me have been the ones I"ve loved the most. 

>I was selfishly hoping that people would go to town on the 'using the 

>acoustic 

>guitar as a percussion instrument' thread because it was so 'loop' specific 

>in it's context.............but you can't win 'em all. 

> 

>I now go to the Repeater site and will begin going to the EDP site for 

>specific gear related stuff because it is so much more pithy although the 

>archives here are fantastic (and I repeatedly thank you for everything that 

>you have done to make this 

>available to us all). 

> 

>So, I agree with you mostly and I also think that 'it is what it it' and 

>that is 

>one of the prices we pay for having an un-moderated free community. 

> 

>I was telling someone today at the Flea Market about our community and I was 

>saying 

>that it seemed to me that we actually had a very high percentage of very 

>creative 

>and ambitious artists in our ranks...........higher than any musical genre 

>or style 

>that I"ve ever been associated with.............I guess with the creativity 

>comes 

>the idiosyncracies that make this place occasionally annoying. 

> 

>I direct you to my last post about changing the name of my new looping band 

>as 

>a loving poke at the uncontrollable nature of this website. 

> 

>It's a tad anarchic and I still think of it as an incredible blessing in my 

>life. 

> 

>thanks for allowing it to happen (even when it's irritating). 

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I love the ev's-- I've even done solo bass looping gigs (quieter stuff like
art openings) using a behringer table-top mixer and the ev's-- no amps at
all! 

usually I use them for drum machine and vocals in my duo, and they sound
great-- no problem keeping up with the 400+ watts of bass loops going
through my bass amps.


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on 1/5/03 5:16 PM, water cat at wyldkitty@hotmail.com wrote:

I am considering purchasing a pair of the ev sax100a's, their powered
speakers for a live pa setup. Playing baritone acoustic, national
resophonics, vox, djembe, and sax through with repeater looping. Any
feedback on these speakers?

Also, any thoughts on compact non powered mixers with on board effects?

How bout a good compressor for some phat guitar sound?

I'm using ART's pro vla and mpa right now, and haven't tried it yet, but am
considering using a pair of earthworks SR77 mics for micing the guitars,
setting one for nylonstring and general fingerpicking levels, and the other
for reso thumpville. I have sunrise pickups in all my flattops, which I am
moderately satisfied with, and am debating going with mics only.

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I love the ev's-- I've even done solo bass looping gigs (quieter stuff like=
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usually I use them for drum machine and vocals in my duo, and they sound gr=
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my bass amps.





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I am considering purchasing a pair of the ev sax100a's, their p=
owered speakers for a live pa setup. Playing baritone acoustic, national res=
ophonics, vox, djembe, and sax through with repeater looping. Any feedback o=
n these speakers? 



Also, any thoughts on compact non powered mixers with on board effects? 


How bout a good compressor for some phat guitar sound? 



I'm using ART's pro vla and mpa right now, and haven't tried it yet, but am=
 considering using a pair of earthworks SR77 mics for micing the guitars, se=
tting one for nylonstring and general fingerpicking levels, and the other fo=
r reso thumpville. I have sunrise pickups in all my flattops, which I am mod=
erately satisfied with, and am debating going with mics only. 



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Hey Dan,


Thanks! That's great news!


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> 

>I love the ev's-- I've even done solo bass looping gigs (quieter stuff like 

>art openings) using a behringer table-top mixer and the ev's-- no amps at 

>all! 

> 

>usually I use them for drum machine and vocals in my duo, and they sound 

>great-- no problem keeping up with the 400+ watts of bass loops going 

>through my bass amps. 

> 

> 

>dan 

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>on 1/5/03 5:16 PM, water cat at wyldkitty@hotmail.com wrote: 

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>I am considering purchasing a pair of the ev sax100a's, their powered 

>speakers for a live pa setup. Playing baritone acoustic, national 

>resophonics, vox, djembe, and sax through with repeater looping. Any 

>feedback on these speakers? 

> 

>Also, any thoughts on compact non powered mixers with on board effects? 

> 

>How bout a good compressor for some phat guitar sound? 

> 

>I'm using ART's pro vla and mpa right now, and haven't tried it yet, but am 

>considering using a pair of earthworks SR77 mics for micing the guitars, 

>setting one for nylonstring and general fingerpicking levels, and the other 

>for reso thumpville. I have sunrise pickups in all my flattops, which I am 

>moderately satisfied with, and am debating going with mics only. 

> 

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A good trick for slowing down the drift is to set the DL4 to half-time, so
that you get a longer possible loop time. then, instead of doing a 4-bar
loop, do an 8 or 16-bar loop. e.g., just play the 4-bar phrase a couple of
times and record that as your loop. a longer loop takes longer to drift out
of "sync."

just before the loop gets too out of sync for you, re-trigger it, and relax
for another 40 seconds.

For me, I finally decided that the DL4 is a particular kind of instrument
not to really be used for loops that have to be tightly synced, and I got an
EDP that I midi-clock to my drum machine (Korg ES-1-- a very cool sampling
drum machine). I use the EDP for basslines and attacks that I want to stay
in sync with the drum machine, and use the DL4 for textures, etc.

I have grown to love the way the drift of the DL4 produces overlays that
have their own almost mystical rhythmic logic.


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on 1/5/03 10:57 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote:

I will add, however, that though I'm not a DL4 user, I've heard reports that
people do manage to get excellent sync by retriggering the loop manually (or
rather pedally). Since I don't have one, I can't tell you how. Is there a
switch that means "Play"? Of course, that means you've got to keep your feet
busy doing yet one more thing.

I wonder whether one could make something similar work over MIDI with the
Echo Pro by sending the appropriate MIDI messages to it...

Mark

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Re: Drifting loops


A good trick for slowing down the drift is to set the DL4 to half-time, so =
that you get a longer possible loop time. then, instead of doing a 4-bar loo=
p, do an 8 or 16-bar loop. e.g., just play the 4-bar phrase a couple of time=
s and record that as your loop. a longer loop takes longer to drift out of &=
quot;sync."



just before the loop gets too out of sync for you, re-trigger it, and relax=
 for another 40 seconds.



For me, I finally decided that the DL4 is a particular kind of instrument n=
ot to really be used for loops that have to be tightly synced, and I got an =
EDP that I midi-clock to my drum machine (Korg ES-1-- a very cool sampling d=
rum machine). I use the EDP for basslines and attacks that I want to stay in=
 sync with the drum machine, and use the DL4 for textures, etc.



I have grown to love the way the drift of the DL4 produces overlays that ha=
ve their own almost mystical rhythmic logic.





d





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on 1/5/03 10:57 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote:




I will add, however, that though I'm not a DL4 user, I've heard=
 reports that

people do manage to get excellent sync by retriggering the loop manually (o=
r

rather pedally). Since I don't have one, I can't tell you how. Is there a
switch that means "Play"? Of course, that means you've got to kee=
p your feet

busy doing yet one more thing.



I wonder whether one could make something similar work over MIDI with the
Echo Pro by sending the appropriate MIDI messages to it...



Mark



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Hi Peter,
 
I did a couple of live looping gigs and rented the following system:
 
2 Mackie active top cabinets SRN450 on stands and 1 Sub woofer, SRS1500.
 
This system sounded awesome! I connected it directly to the mixer stereo
out of my looping gator rack. As sounds I was using tenor sax and
stratocaster guitar (lined preamp) and a woman sat in on djembe for one
concert. The bass was HUGE and I had to adjust the repeater track I use
to turn down my tenor sax to a "bass horn" so it wouldn't blow the
clothes off everybody ;-)  
 
It's not a portable PA system though. You have to transport it by car.

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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I am considering purchasing a pair of the ev sax100a's, their powered
speakers for a live pa setup. Playing baritone acoustic, national
resophonics, vox, djembe, and sax through with repeater looping. Any
feedback on these speakers?

Also, any thoughts on compact non powered mixers with on board effects?

How bout a good compressor for some phat guitar sound?

I'm using ART's pro vla and mpa right now, and haven't tried it yet, but
am considering using a pair of earthworks SR77 mics for micing the
guitars, setting one for nylonstring and general fingerpicking levels,
and the other for reso thumpville. I have sunrise pickups in all my
flattops, which I am moderately satisfied with, and am debating going
with mics only.

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Peter T Hutter.



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;-)  


 


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yet, but am=20
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mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:

>This sounds sort of like what the Sustainer/Sustainiac does except that
>you actually get to process the signal before it drives the strings. Correct?
no, not at all:
the sustainer's raison d'etre is to drive the strings, whereas the 
feedback-loop's purpose is to drive ***itself***..... no traditional 
*instrument* need be involved.

read through the little explanation, repeated below --- it's really easy to 
set thisall up, and you'll see how no traditional musical instrument is 
necessary:
the loop is, itself, the instrument.....

> if you have a mixer at hand, you can experiment w/this by feeding any
> channel's output directly to its input --- ie, no 'instrument' in the path
> --- and then massage all eq's, faders, etc that are in the channel path;
> obviously, if you then add/insert delay-based/looping devices into the
> channel path, well..... have fun!
> but:
> when yer first mutzing around w/all this, be sure to *KEEP YER HAND ON THE
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Thank you Per!


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>To: 

>Subject: SV: Phat Acoustic Portable PA 

>Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:09:09 +0100 

> 

>Hi Peter, 

> 

>I did a couple of live looping gigs and rented the following system: 

> 

>2 Mackie active top cabinets SRN450 on stands and 1 Sub woofer, SRS1500. 

> 

>This system sounded awesome! I connected it directly to the mixer stereo 

>out of my looping gator rack. As sounds I was using tenor sax and 

>stratocaster guitar (lined preamp) and a woman sat in on djembe for one 

>concert. The bass was HUGE and I had to adjust the repeater track I use 

>to turn down my tenor sax to a "bass horn" so it wouldn't blow the 

>clothes off everybody ;-) 

> 

>It's not a portable PA system though. You have to transport it by car. 

> 

>Best wishes 

> 

>Per Boysen 

>________________ 

>www.boysen.se 

>www.looproom.com 

> 

> 

> 

>I am considering purchasing a pair of the ev sax100a's, their powered 

>speakers for a live pa setup. Playing baritone acoustic, national 

>resophonics, vox, djembe, and sax through with repeater looping. Any 

>feedback on these speakers? 

> 

>Also, any thoughts on compact non powered mixers with on board effects? 

> 

>How bout a good compressor for some phat guitar sound? 

> 

>I'm using ART's pro vla and mpa right now, and haven't tried it yet, but 

>am considering using a pair of earthworks SR77 mics for micing the 

>guitars, setting one for nylonstring and general fingerpicking levels, 

>and the other for reso thumpville. I have sunrise pickups in all my 

>flattops, which I am moderately satisfied with, and am debating going 

>with mics only. 

> 

>Thanks, 

> 

>Peter T Hutter. 

> 

> 


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Rick and all, 

Thanks for your elaborated response.  I actually printed it out to
really digest it.  

The Martini skewer in-the-strings was lots of fun....

I have a follow up question - Does the Digitech vocal processor have
intelligent harmonies?

Thanks,

Patrick

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Hey Patrick,

Rick Walker here. I'm a percussionist and thought I might be of some
assistance with your dilemma.

Not all acoustic guitars sound the same percussively for obvious
reasons.

If you have a guitar that doesn't have a naturally resonant set of
bass drum sounds (the hardest to get) here are a couple of suggestions
from a percussionists standpoint:

1) if you are looping and have a programmable equalizer (parametric or
31
band)
practise getting the best acoustic bass drum sound that you can from
your
axe.   This is best accomplished by playing in the middle of the back of
the
guitar with the side of your thumb..........you want to do a very quick
rotation
of your wrist so that thumb (with palm facing you)of your right hand is
to
the
right and then quickly wips (without moving your elbow or forearm)
laterally
so that your palm turns completely face down and then returns to the
open
position
as fast as you can.   Strike the back of your guitar with the fleshiest
portion of the side of your thumb (most akin to a hard felt bass drum
beater) or actually use
a soft felt mallet ($20-$30).

Now equalize that sound until you find the resonant frequency of the
guitar
being struck and raise it's volume.   You can cut all of the really high
frequencies out of this sound but leave a little 6k in there for the
'attack' of the sound.

Store your sound.

2) Now go to the part of the guitar where sides join the bottom or the
top
(the place of least resonance) and use your 1st or 2nd finger or middle
three fingers together  and quickly slap that place (making sure that no
fingers touch further into the guitar)..........now eq the bass and low
mid
frequencies completely out of the sound and boost everything from 1k to
6k.

Store your sound.

Voila!   instant bass drum and snare drum analogues.

Because you will be layering your 'drum' sounds into your mix, you can
recall the 'kick' drum sound,   layer it's rhythm, then call up your
snare
eq and layer that rhythm.

3) Go to half speed record on your looper and play half speed 8th notes
by
very quickly scratch the grooves of your strings so that they make
little
short and discreet sounds and then return to full speed:

Voila!    instant 'hi hat' sounds

4) other cool sounds can be going to the edge where the front meets the
sides
and 'snapping' your finger to produce sharp wooden sounds (clave/)

lightly palm mute your strings and then play harmonics by striking the
guitar with
anything from a plastic martini skewer to a hammer dulcimer mallet to a
bic
pen
to a chopstick...........again, if done at half speed while in half
speed
record
you can produce much faster sounds at normal speed that are very
interesting
an percussive.

5)  By creatively using a parametric equalizer you can go to several
parts
of the body and while striking it with your thumb you can take on band
of
the parametric, make the band width extremely narrow and sweep the
frequencies with the volume of that band very high and all the other
bands
very low.  You will come across several different distinct and loud
tones
that can also serve as your 'tom' 'tom's.

At my gig on New Year's Eve (at the Monterey Museum of Art) I used a
frisbie
with my new digitech vocal processor (more cool bang for the buck than
any
effects processor I've owned so far!!!!) and used the fact that I can
statically change the pitch of the input from two octaves below to two
octaves above to create a myriad
of different drum sounds.  It was awesome!!!  Any really cheap pitch
shifter
(boss has a really nice one for $165 called the IntelliShifter that is a
simple stomp box pedal with even a little bit of intelligent pitch
shifting
options and a very cool
stutter and 'whammy bar' effect built in---even pretty nice fidelity and
relatively low noise.).

I'm not a guitarist per se (although I own a few acoustic and electrics)
but I've had great fun by striking, bowing, malleting, sliding and
preparing
guitars.

Old stand bys are

1) lacing forks and knives and spoons under and over your strings to
create 'faux' gamelan sounds.........

2) rolling large ball bearing balls down the strings

3) dropping hard rice kernels on prepared guitars (stole that one, like
every one else and there mother's uncle, from Fred Frith......the
maestro).

4) tuning the strings to an open chord and playing the back of the
guitar
like a hand drum but micing it right under the bridge with a high
quality
condenser mic so that you get the chordal sympathetic vibrations.  You
can
then take that sound and
equalize all of the lower 'drum' sounds out of it and you get a very
cool
and unusual rhythmic chordal sound that has overring like a bowed
psaltery.

and, hey, what else guys and gals?    what other cool percussive things
can
we do to the guitar (or cello or bass or violin).  This might be a good
thread!!!!

have fun and let me know if you recieve any other good suggestions for
your
dilemma.

your, Rick


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Yeah, it does.  Check one out at
http://www.digitech.com/products/vpr.htm

I played with one of the originals a long time ago and I thought it was
pretty fun.

Mark

Patrick Bolan wrote:
> 
> Rick and all,
> 
> Thanks for your elaborated response.  I actually printed it out to
> really digest it.
> 
> The Martini skewer in-the-strings was lots of fun....
> 
> I have a follow up question - Does the Digitech vocal processor have
> intelligent harmonies?
> 
> Thanks,
>

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salut salut
will probably get me one of these soon and was asking myself if I'll find some
or all of the Vortex magic in it

Claude

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My advise would be Ableton's Live and/or Mark Of The Unicorn's Digital
Performer 3.  Ableton's Live is cross platform, but DP3 is Mac only. 
It's POLAR function is *very* cool.
http://www.motu.com/english/software/dp/dp26/

You can go back and forth forever, but in my day to day dealings with
Macs and Wintel boxes, I find Macs to be much better/easier to deal
with.  OSX is very very stable and MOTU announced that DP4 will be OSX
compatible and out in a few months.  (they're showing it at NAMM)

Mark Sottilaro

> Luden wrote:
> 
> Hi loopers.
> 
> I'm in the process of setting up a recording studio
> in my basement and I'm buying a new computer.
> I want to know what is the best software I should
> buy for recording loops. I know there are several
> on the market but I wanted to know what the users
> think are the pros and cons of each.
> 
> Luden

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 These are deep boxes, certainly, but I sold a PCM80 I'd lusted after for
years after about 2 months, because I was so underwhelmed by it as a
mangler/complexifier. I did NOT discover it to be an FX playground....but
then, I have kind of a modular predisposition when it comes to fx design,
and the 80/81s are decidedly not multifx. Maybe I bailed too soon, and
you'll have better luck/more persistence....
David Coffin




                                                                                                                
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salut salut
will probably get me one of these soon and was asking myself if I'll find
some
or all of the Vortex magic in it

Claude





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--- "mr.monk"  wrote:
> i just wanted to send a quick note to say that i had the repeater 
> (noise reduction) mod done last month and i have had a chance to A/B it 
> with and un-modified repeater and i think the reduction is significant. 
> i'd say in the 50-65% quiter range in terms of the clock noise and 
> 25-50% range for overall hum and hiss.
> 
> some folks had inquired so i thought i'd post an update.

Thanks for the update, sounds like it could be a worthwhile investment.

Greg


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At 12:17 PM -0500 1/6/03, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote:
>  These are deep boxes, certainly, but I sold a PCM80 I'd lusted after for
>years after about 2 months, because I was so underwhelmed by it as a
>mangler/complexifier. I did NOT discover it to be an FX playground....but
>then, I have kind of a modular predisposition when it comes to fx design,
>and the 80/81s are decidedly not multifx. Maybe I bailed too soon, and
>you'll have better luck/more persistence....

I was similarly unimpressed when I first fired up my PCM80, but one 
night I was showing it to a friend and after he left I kept playing 
with it for hours. Lexicon processors have a certain quality of sound 
and consistency of user interface that is elegant and "musical." 
Still, when it comes to performance mangling I prefer Eventides and 
normally use three of them. The Lexicons sit in studio rack and never 
hit the road.
-- 

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I've been sifting thgrough the archives looking for
a footpedal controller option for an Electrix repeater I bought this week.
Looks like the Behringer FC 1010, Roland FC-200 are top contenders. The
Electrix manual suggests a 3-switch pedal that looks limited in my
opinion.
I want to be able to at least launch tracks, record, start, stop, reverse,
control gain on individual tracks, control speed. I'm think the 3-switch
doesn't get it for all those functions. Am I wrong or right?  the
Behringer price ($129) is right, as opposed to the Roland @ $300+! Then
thre's the $99 Midi Buddy from Rolls(?).

Alll help appreciated,

John Hunter
Black Lotus Sound


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The Dual FX sound card for the 80/81 has the "Aerosol" vortex patch. I think 
the MXP 1 & g2 models have a few more. I just used the pcm80 live for the 
first time last week. I did my first solo stick/loop gig & I so took out the 
EDP, Digitech Echo+  & the 80  & had a fun time...
cheers
LOU



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>
>At 12:17 PM -0500 1/6/03, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote:
>>  These are deep boxes, certainly, but I sold a PCM80 I'd lusted after for
>>years after about 2 months, because I was so underwhelmed by it as a
>>mangler/complexifier. I did NOT discover it to be an FX playground....but
>>then, I have kind of a modular predisposition when it comes to fx design,
>>and the 80/81s are decidedly not multifx. Maybe I bailed too soon, and
>>you'll have better luck/more persistence....
>
>I was similarly unimpressed when I first fired up my PCM80, but one night I 
>was showing it to a friend and after he left I kept playing with it for 
>hours. Lexicon processors have a certain quality of sound and consistency 
>of user interface that is elegant and "musical." Still, when it comes to 
>performance mangling I prefer Eventides and normally use three of them. The 
>Lexicons sit in studio rack and never hit the road.
>--
>
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Hey Mr. Monk,


Who did your mod? Was it Vince, at Pro Audio in Watertown, Massachusetts? I was talking with him about this mod and also about some mods on an ART pro mpa that sounded pretty interesting.


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>>Korg ES-1-- a very cool sampling drum machine<<
 
absolutely- these electribe boxes are great vfm. you have a midi-locked delay effect in there that (with some work) can be used on external audio too, and a very flexible sampler/drum-machine. I also have the synth and drumbox versions, but the sampler one is the most fun. we use it as the master clock in our rig nowadays, and the tap-tempo function is very useful. also, you can alter the tempo by tenths of a bpm by holding the shift key.....
 
I think the question about the dl4 drifting may have been about it's echo speed rather than the sample feature (which I seldom use now); it's not possible to retrigger something you've got frozen in it's delay mode, although you can change the tempo by tapping. I wish it had sockets for two or three expression pedals-  the two extreme positions of the one pedal you can attach are "snapshots" of all four knobs on the pedal itself. thus, you can go from no repeats to full-on overload while changing the tempo by a few bpm. 
 
I found this new trick on the dl4 (new to me anyway) which might help one or two sample-heads out there*. what I did was set up the /stereo delay/ on the dl4 with maximum delay and maximum repeats, but so that it doesn't start howling in and of itself. for some reason, the stereo delay algorithm seems to behave best for this. 
 
then, via a volume pedal (so that none of the attack gets into the delay), introduce a sustained guitar note just long enough to overlap itself, and fade...... if the volume pedal and dl4 are in y'r effects loop, you've got infinite sustain. annoyingly, while the loop stays there when you disengage the effect (you have to do something odd to the dl4 to get it into this non-standard bypass mode), it is erased when you re-engage the effect.
 
tonight (or soon, anyway) I shall be putting the bob sellon upgrade into the first of our two jammen. fingers crossed. then the dl4 can go back to being tape delay emulation, which it does rather well.
 
has there ever been any communication with line6 about the dl4 from a list-member? we seem to have all the other major players represented or contactable somehow...
 
(*on those occasions when a loop point is playing hard-to-get)
 
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Re: Drifting loops




>>Korg ES-1-- a very cool sampling drum 
machine<<


 


absolutely- these electribe boxes are great vfm. you 
have a midi-locked delay effect in there that (with some work) can be used on 
external audio too, and a very flexible sampler/drum-machine. I also have the 
synth and drumbox versions, but the sampler one is the most fun. we use it as 
the master clock in our rig nowadays, and the tap-tempo function is very useful. 
also, you can alter the tempo by tenths of a bpm by holding the shift 
key.....


 


I 
think the question about the dl4 drifting may have been about it's echo speed 
rather than the sample feature (which I seldom use now); it's not possible to 
retrigger something you've got frozen in it's delay mode, although you can 
change the tempo by tapping. I wish it had sockets for two or three expression 
pedals-  the two extreme positions of the one pedal you can attach are 
"snapshots" of all four knobs on the pedal itself. thus, you can go 
from no repeats to full-on overload while changing the tempo by a few 
bpm. 


 


I 
found this new trick on the dl4 (new to me anyway) which might help one or 
two sample-heads out there*. what I did was set up the /stereo delay/ on the dl4 
with maximum delay and maximum repeats, but so that it doesn't start howling in 
and of itself. for some reason, the stereo delay algorithm seems to behave best 
for this. 


 


then, 
via a volume pedal (so that none of the attack gets into the delay), introduce a 
sustained guitar note just long enough to overlap itself, and fade...... if the 
volume pedal and dl4 are in y'r effects loop, you've got infinite sustain. 
annoyingly, while the loop stays there when you disengage the effect (you have 
to do something odd to the dl4 to get it into this non-standard bypass mode), it 
is erased when you re-engage the effect.


 


tonight (or soon, anyway) I shall be putting the bob 
sellon upgrade into the first of our two jammen. fingers crossed. then the dl4 
can go back to being tape delay emulation, which it does rather 
well.


 


has 
there ever been any communication with line6 about the dl4 from a list-member? 
we seem to have all the other major players represented or contactable 
somehow...


 


(*on 
those occasions when a loop point is playing hard-to-get)


 


duncan/r.m.i.




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>>the loop is, itself, the instrument.....<<

it'll work best, this non-acoustic feedback, if there are a few places in the closed circuit where group delay (the timing of certain frequencies w/ respect to others), amplitude, frequency response, delay &c can be interfered with. that said, I'd like to get one of those behringer feedback destroyers looking up it's own fundament for a laugh.

david, what did you do to y'r guitar to achieve this? or is it all external to the guitar?

I did something similar once- we had the desk-out going to a dat and, for want of somewhere to hear the dat machine back (it was only visiting the studio- I hate the things myself) I put it on another pair of channels on the same desk. naturally, trying to break something (I suppose- a bit of beavis and butthead in us all), I pushed the faders up while the thing was in record. due to some cabling snafu, the channels were reversed and so nothing was really apparent until I swept them both through the mid position on the pans. there was a funny whoop and something peculiar happened to the stereo image. I did it quite a few times before I got bored. pushing the faders up a bit more provoked the whoop without having to mono the returns, but the noise was preceded by more of the phasey weirdness. top notch, and while I hope never to see that particular splat machine again, I will be continuing to "break stuff" in the name of broadening the sonic palette.
hendrix was once greeted by a bbc engineer at maida vale who wanted to know where all the hiss/hum/squealing was coming from and how the band proposed to stop it "ruining" the recording. isn't acoustic feedback really just a form of looping- using the delay twixt amp and pickup to sustain a note?

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[looper's] RE: electronic feedback loop 




>>the loop is, itself, the instrument.....<<<=
/FONT>




it'll work best, this non-acoustic feedback, if there are=
 a few places in the closed circuit where group delay (the timing of certai=
n frequencies w/ respect to others), amplitude, frequency response, delay &=
amp;c can be interfered with. that said, I'd like to get one of those behri=
nger feedback destroyers looking up it's own fundament for a laugh.<=
/P>


david, what did you do to y'r guitar to achieve this? or =
is it all external to the guitar?




I did something similar once- we had the desk-out going t=
o a dat and, for want of somewhere to hear the dat machine back (it was onl=
y visiting the studio- I hate the things myself) I put it on another pair o=
f channels on the same desk. naturally, trying to break something (I suppos=
e- a bit of beavis and butthead in us all), I pushed the faders up while th=
e thing was in record. due to some cabling snafu, the channels were reverse=
d and so nothing was really apparent until I swept them both through the mi=
d position on the pans. there was a funny whoop and something peculiar happ=
ened to the stereo image. I did it quite a few times before I got bored. pu=
shing the faders up a bit more provoked the whoop without having to mono th=
e returns, but the noise was preceded by more of the phasey weirdness. top =
notch, and while I hope never to see that particular splat machine again, I=
 will be continuing to "break stuff" in the name of broadening th=
e sonic palette.



hendrix was once greeted by a bbc engineer at maida vale =
who wanted to know where all the hiss/hum/squealing was coming from and how=
 the band proposed to stop it "ruining" the recording. isn't acou=
stic feedback really just a form of looping- using the delay twixt amp and =
pickup to sustain a note?



duncan/r.m.i.







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I still own the old PCM80 for two particular features I like:
-the sound of its resonators
-the expanded delay time for looping; adding 2 SIMMS modules, I got 6 dly lines w/43 seconds each (not possible on Pcm81).

what I hate in the PCM80:
-those cheap PLASTIC 1/4" jack connectors
-the fact that Lexicon cheated by putting out 4 versions of the same unit:
original Pcm80 w/1/42 jacks plugs and S/Pdif
2nd version w/XLR plugs
3rd version called PCM81 w/AES
4th version called Pcm81 w/24 bit converters

3rd and 4th versions also incorporate some of the algorithms and presets that previously were available by purchasing cards only.

I think Lexicon should have marketed the Pcm80 (and 90) better than they did, offering those algorithms and expansions already in the units, for a smaller fraction of money of what they charged for the cards.


Greetings
Italo


The Dual FX sound card for the 80/81 has the "Aerosol" vortex patch. I think 
the MXP 1 & g2 models have a few more. I just used the pcm80 live for the 
first time last week. I did my first solo stick/loop gig & I so took out the 
EDP, Digitech Echo+  & the 80  & had a fun time...
cheers
LOU



>From: Richard Zvonar 
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>Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:31:03 -0800
>
>At 12:17 PM -0500 1/6/03, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote:
>>  These are deep boxes, certainly, but I sold a PCM80 I'd lusted after for
>>years after about 2 months, because I was so underwhelmed by it as a
>>mangler/complexifier. I did NOT discover it to be an FX playground....but
>>then, I have kind of a modular predisposition when it comes to fx design,
>>and the 80/81s are decidedly not multifx. Maybe I bailed too soon, and
>>you'll have better luck/more persistence....
>
>I was similarly unimpressed when I first fired up my PCM80, but one night I 
>was showing it to a friend and after he left I kept playing with it for 
>hou
ain quality of sound and consistency 
>of user interface that is elegant and "musical." Still, when it comes to 
>performance mangling I prefer Eventides and normally use three of them. The 
>Lexicons sit in studio rack and never hit the road.
>--
>
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Ciao Italo.

Agreed. Those plastic jack connectors do make me nervous too. Although, I 
really love the resonator & drone patches on the 80. They work nice for loop 
post processing. If you get a chance Track 1&4 of my online Stick demo have 
some PCM80 patches

http://www.yourwebeddy.com/lou/

Regards
Lou Rossi

ps. Did not know about the delay being expanded...43 sec? wow


>From: "Italo De Angelis" 
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>To: "Loopers-Delight" 
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>Date: Mon,  6 Jan 2003 19:41:35 +0100
>
>I still own the old PCM80 for two particular features I like:
>-the sound of its resonators
>-the expanded delay time for looping; adding 2 SIMMS modules, I got 6 dly 
>lines w/43 seconds each (not possible on Pcm81).
>
>what I hate in the PCM80:
>-those cheap PLASTIC 1/4" jack connectors
>-the fact that Lexicon cheated by putting out 4 versions of the same unit:
>original Pcm80 w/1/42 jacks plugs and S/Pdif
>2nd version w/XLR plugs
>3rd version called PCM81 w/AES
>4th version called Pcm81 w/24 bit converters
>
>3rd and 4th versions also incorporate some of the algorithms and presets 
>that previously were available by purchasing cards only.
>
>I think Lexicon should have marketed the Pcm80 (and 90) better than they 
>did, offering those algorithms and expansions already in the units, for a 
>smaller fraction of money of what they charged for the cards.
>
>
>Greetings
>Italo
>
>
>The Dual FX sound card for the 80/81 has the "Aerosol" vortex patch. I 
>think
>the MXP 1 & g2 models have a few more. I just used the pcm80 live for the
>first time last week. I did my first solo stick/loop gig & I so took out 
>the
>EDP, Digitech Echo+  & the 80  & had a fun time...
>cheers
>LOU


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Try the MPX1, it's a lot cheaper, and great for mangling.

dcoffin@taunton.com wrote:

>  These are deep boxes, certainly, but I sold a PCM80 I'd lusted after for
> years after about 2 months, because I was so underwhelmed by it as a
> mangler/complexifier. I did NOT discover it to be an FX playground....but
> then, I have kind of a modular predisposition when it comes to fx design,
> and the 80/81s are decidedly not multifx. Maybe I bailed too soon, and
> you'll have better luck/more persistence....
> David Coffin
>
>
>                     "Claude Voit"
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>
>
> salut salut
> will probably get me one of these soon and was asking myself if I'll find
> some
> or all of the Vortex magic in it
>
> Claude

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haha, have you seen the Kids in the Hall skit regarding this?

How about

TED "ANGRY HANDS" KILLIAN and LEFTIST CHRISTIAN CONTEMPORARY FENCE SITTER 
WACKO DOOM MACHINE featuring JOHN "FEROCIOUS WILD COYOTE" WAGNER and TIM 
"NAILS-IN" NELSON and also Rick Walker?

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Thanks for all the helpful replies. Yes, there's lots that I like about the
DL4
and I don't imagine getting rid of it. I guess all the advice is to go for the
EDP . Thanks.

Ian.



At 05:18 06/01/03 , you wrote: 
>
> A good trick for slowing down the drift is to set the DL4 to half-time, so
> that you get a longer possible loop time. then, instead of doing a 4-bar
> loop, do an 8 or 16-bar loop. e.g., just play the 4-bar phrase a couple of
> times and record that as your loop. a longer loop takes longer to drift out
> of "sync."
>
> just before the loop gets too out of sync for you, re-trigger it, and relax
> for another 40 seconds.
>
> For me, I finally decided that the DL4 is a particular kind of instrument
not
> to really be used for loops that have to be tightly synced, and I got an EDP
> that I midi-clock to my drum machine (Korg ES-1-- a very cool sampling drum
> machine). I use the EDP for basslines and attacks that I want to stay in
sync
> with the drum machine, and use the DL4 for textures, etc.
>
> I have grown to love the way the drift of the DL4 produces overlays that
have
> their own almost mystical rhythmic logic.
>
>
> d
>
>
> -- 
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> on 1/5/03 10:57 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote:
>>
>> I will add, however, that though I'm not a DL4 user, I've heard reports
that
>> people do manage to get excellent sync by retriggering the loop manually
(or
>> rather pedally). Since I don't have one, I can't tell you how. Is there a 
>> switch that means "Play"? Of course, that means you've got to keep your
feet
>> busy doing yet one more thing.
>>
>> I wonder whether one could make something similar work over MIDI with the 
>> Echo Pro by sending the appropriate MIDI messages to it...
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> P.S. I'd have been much more interested in the Pro modelers if I could
have 
>> bought a 4 button footswitch for say $60 that would have given me the same 
>> behavior as the floor pedals.
>
>
>



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Lovely sounds, Louis!
Thanks for the link.

greetings
Italo
;-)



Ciao Italo.

Agreed. Those plastic jack connectors do make me nervous too. Although, I 
really love the resonator & drone patches on the 80. They work nice for loop 
post processing. If you get a chance Track 1&4 of my online Stick demo have 
some PCM80 patches

http://www.yourwebeddy.com/lou/

Regards
Lou Rossi

ps. Did not know about the delay being expanded...43 sec? wow



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For the
On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 07:00 PM, lotusart@cstone.net wrote:

> I've been sifting thgrough the archives looking for
> a footpedal controller option for an Electrix repeater I bought this 
> week.
> Looks like the Behringer FC 1010, Roland FC-200 are top contenders.

DON'T and I repeat DON'T get the FC-200 as a main controller for the 
Repeater. No CC messages, and only PC messages up to (I think) 99.... 
In other words, 50% of the Repeaters functions will be unobtainable. I 
struggled with one for 4 months.

Get the Behringer... The control that it gives you is incredible. :)
> -- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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This was just sent to me so I am passing it on to all you loopers in hopes
anybody might be able to help.
-Arthur Lee




---------- Forwarded Message ----------

FROM: 	 MarlaBIs@aol.com
TO: 	 undisclosed-recipients: ;
DATE: 	 Mon, 6 Jan 2003 01:49:21 EST

RE: 	 re: Stolen Instruments in California

Hello everyone -

    I received this (very upsetting) note from performing
songwriter Robin Greenstein and I'm forwarding it to all
and sundry in hopes that some happy resolution will come
of this terrible event.

    Thanks for doing the same ....if some of us receive this
message 2 or 3 times over, it's certainly *nothing* in
inconvenience or annoyance in comparison to what Dave
Nachmanoff must be dealing with right now.

................................................
Marla Bodi, North Bay Director
Northern California Songwriters Association
North Bay e-mail:  MarlaNCSA@aol.com
WEBSITE:      NCSA

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
////////////////////////////////////////////


<< Please forward to anyone you know in California and elsewhere who buys
instruments, deals them, attends guitar shows, vintage instrument shows, or
is affiliated with music stores.  thanks.  Robin Greenstein

---------------Dave Nachmanoff is a wonderful singer/songwriter based in
Davis, CA.
He also plays lead guitar with Al Stewart.  If you hear of any of these
items
for sale please contact Dave at Dave@davenach.com. Please forward to anyone
who comes into contact with musical instruments. Maybe we can find them when
they try to sell them. We'll be checking e-bay too.


STOLEN!!


PROBABLY ON DECEMBER 29TH, 2002


If you have any info please call (530) 757-1021!



GUITAR, PW CRUMP – davenach model, 00 size, 6 string, steel string, koa
back
and

sides, spruce top, dragon inlay on headstock, letters “davenach†in
abalone

at 12th fret, internal mic and pickup



Also a CALTON Flight case – White, with red metal label with Dave
Nachmanoff

engraved on it, green interior.


-------------


MARTIN 00-21 – 6 string, steel string, rosewood back and sides, spruce
top,

slotted peg head, with internal mic and pickup, serial number 305473.


With old-style, blue Martin case.


-------------


GODIN ACOUSTICASTER – Electro-acoustic, shaped like a Telecaster, natural

spruce top, serial number 3603


In Black Tough Traveler “gig-bagâ€


------------


HUMBERTO CORREA – custom classical, rosewood back and sides, spruce top

(pale finish), label on inside says “Made especially for Dave Nachmanoff
by

Humberto Correaâ€


With Black SBK case.


-----------------


YAMAHA FG-612S – 12-String acoustic, rosewood back and sides, spruce top,

diamond inlay on fingerboard, pickup installed. Serial number 10710491


In Black wood-based Yamaha case.

-----------------


VIOLIN – Full size, with bridge pickup installed, in case with no handle


-----------------


VIOLA– in case.


------------------

MANDOLIN – sunburst finish, flatback, “A†shape, in cardboard case. >>

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On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 06:27:56PM -0000, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
> >>the loop is, itself, the instrument.....<<
> 
> it'll work best, this non-acoustic feedback, if there are a few places in the
> closed circuit where group delay (the timing of certain frequencies w/
> respect to others), amplitude, frequency response, delay &c can be interfered
> with. that said, I'd like to get one of those behringer feedback destroyers
> looking up it's own fundament for a laugh.
> 
	
	I like this idea a lot. I often experiment with this kind of
stuff via the mixing board approach and find it to be great fun. I first
started trying it after scrounging up info about how the "harsh noise"
folks (merzbow and such...) made such obnoxious over the top noise.
(obnoxious in the best possible ways ;->)

	Turns out this kind of feedback approach is fairly central
to the sound, at least for a lot of that genres practitioners. And
it's a hell of a lot of fun. 

	http://www.harshnoise.com has tons of gear reviews, alot
of which are oriented towards "what sounds cool in a feedback loop". 
Fun reading. 

	Simple approach is to feedback aux or effect sends into
input channels on a mixer. Lots of flexibility in how things route
that way. An even simpler approach is just a couple well placed
"two 1/4 inch mono to one 1/4 inch mono" adaptors from Radio
Shack. Put one at the end of a loop to split, and one at
the front to "mix". One output at the end goes back to one of
the inputs, and the other to amp/mixer/etc. Not much control
over levels that way, so not much subtlety, but it's quick
and easy. 

	And of course, this is a great way to create very
interesting textures to feed/catch into a looper. 

Adrian

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Matt,

Heheheheh! Thus keeps getting better and better . . . LOL.

In a message dated 1/6/03 11:33:56 AM, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:

>TED "ANGRY HANDS" KILLIAN and LEFTIST CHRISTIAN CONTEMPORARY FENCE SITTER
>WACKO DOOM MACHINE featuring JOHN "FEROCIOUS WILD COYOTE" WAGNER and TIM
>"NAILS-IN" NELSON and also Rick Walker?


tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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hey tedster-
nice note to the editor in the present 'guitarplyer' mag...good to see props
bein given to a coupla loopers(tibbetts&frisell) ina major mag.

stan

> Matt,
> 
> Heheheheh! Thus keeps getting better and better . . . LOL.
> 
> In a message dated 1/6/03 11:33:56 AM, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:
> 
>> TED "ANGRY HANDS" KILLIAN and LEFTIST CHRISTIAN CONTEMPORARY FENCE SITTER
>> WACKO DOOM MACHINE featuring JOHN "FEROCIOUS WILD COYOTE" WAGNER and TIM
>> "NAILS-IN" NELSON and also Rick Walker?
> 
> 
> tEd ® kiLLiAn
> 
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake
> 

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Sound/Shift Oakland
Friday, January 10, 6:00 pm - 12:00 pm
Saturday, January 11th, 12:00 noon - 11:00 pm

21 Grand
449B 23rd Street
Oakland, CA 94612
510-444-7263
$10 for 1 day / $15 for both days

Sound/Shift Oakland gathers over 65 improvising musicians from the Bay Area 
and beyond to collaborate in a two day event. The participants are placed in 
groups ranging from 2 to 8 musicians, and each group overlaps with the 
previous and the next. The musicians come from a wide range of backgrounds 
(free-jazz, 20th century composition, electronic, ambient, experimental 
noise, etc) and play a variety of instruments ranging from standard jazz 
fare to laptop computers to roofing nails and dry ice. The lineup of 
musicians onstage will change every 20 minutes (on average), allowing for a 
large number of musical combinations.

Based on the Baltimore event created by John Berndt for July 2002, this 
event is organized by Matt Davignon. This is a benefit for the 21 Grand arts 
space.

For a complete schedule and list of participants, please visit:

www.paxrecordings.com/soundshiftoakland.html







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Steve,

	Man, thanks a bunch, the first site helped out quite a bit as far as
getting somewhat consistent sounds out of this beastie.  The slightly looped
topic for this post is that I've been fiddling with mics and thus into the
Boomerang it goes.  Finding out that it's about an E4 (if C4 is middle C),
probably me, my lips are numb and my neighbors are going nvts.  Now, if only
I had a fretless (have a fretted one and am really didging it) 7 string
Fernandez...  May have to try the Gregorian Chant idea, an old trick was to
use a Shure 58 suspended in a solid metal sided trash can (various sizes
produce some very neat feedbacks/harmonics/drones) which in turn can be hit
up with delays in order to loop the "effected voice/speaker."

	LOL!  Funny part is that Land Of Chocolate is a local band that has a didge
player within it, though I'm more used to seeing/hearing them from Yothu
Yindi.

	Kim, sorry that the initial post wasn't a bit more on-topic with this list,
had to have a starting basis before a more on-topic question could be posed.

	Thanks again to Stuart, Tim, Scott, and Mark for their posts, suggestions
and stories.

	Back to banging away on a Box Guitar with a Boomerang for my lack-o two
handed independence,


		Lee


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 6:08 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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to play it


On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Lee Barnes wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> 	Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show up,
a
> didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you play
> this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
> inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do
now?

Here's some places to get you started:

http://www.mills.edu/LIFE/CCM/DIDJERIDU/

The Dreamtime website is the best I've found for didj stuff.

http://www.mills.edu/LIFE/CCM/DIDJERIDU/instruction/instruction.html

Here's a couple of other links to "how to play" sites.

http://www.didgeridoings.com/Tutorial/TutBodyNF.html

http://www.didges.com.au/play-the-didge.htm

best,
Steve
Subscape Annex
http://www.subscapeannex.com/

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Yeah, right!

There are two Repeaters on eBay with $1000 'Buy it Now' prices. And I =
let mine go for $650.

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Yeah, right!


 


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i must be crazy... i have both the pcm80 and pcm91 and i think i like the
pcm80 better for everything, except really clean verbs... but i don't
usually use those kinds of verbs.

something about the older converters just sounds great to me.  great bread
and butter unit for me.




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Italo De Angelis [mailto:italoop@libero.it]
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 10:42 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight
> Subject: Re: LEXICON pcm 81 gear lust
>
>
> I still own the old PCM80 for two particular features I like:
> -the sound of its resonators
> -the expanded delay time for looping; adding 2 SIMMS modules, I
> got 6 dly lines w/43 seconds each (not possible on Pcm81).
>
> what I hate in the PCM80:
> -those cheap PLASTIC 1/4" jack connectors
> -the fact that Lexicon cheated by putting out 4 versions of the same unit:
> original Pcm80 w/1/42 jacks plugs and S/Pdif
> 2nd version w/XLR plugs
> 3rd version called PCM81 w/AES
> 4th version called Pcm81 w/24 bit converters
>
> 3rd and 4th versions also incorporate some of the algorithms and
> presets that previously were available by purchasing cards only.
>
> I think Lexicon should have marketed the Pcm80 (and 90) better
> than they did, offering those algorithms and expansions already
> in the units, for a smaller fraction of money of what they
> charged for the cards.
>
>
> Greetings
> Italo
>
>
> The Dual FX sound card for the 80/81 has the "Aerosol" vortex
> patch. I think
> the MXP 1 & g2 models have a few more. I just used the pcm80 live for the
> first time last week. I did my first solo stick/loop gig & I so
> took out the
> EDP, Digitech Echo+  & the 80  & had a fun time...
> cheers
> LOU
>
>
>
> >From: Richard Zvonar 
> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >Subject: Re: LEXICON pcm 81 gear lust
> >Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:31:03 -0800
> >
> >At 12:17 PM -0500 1/6/03, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote:
> >>  These are deep boxes, certainly, but I sold a PCM80 I'd
> lusted after for
> >>years after about 2 months, because I was so underwhelmed by it as a
> >>mangler/complexifier. I did NOT discover it to be an FX
> playground....but
> >>then, I have kind of a modular predisposition when it comes to
> fx design,
> >>and the 80/81s are decidedly not multifx. Maybe I bailed too soon, and
> >>you'll have better luck/more persistence....
> >
> >I was similarly unimpressed when I first fired up my PCM80, but
> one night I
> >was showing it to a friend and after he left I kept playing with it for
> >hou
> ain quality of sound and consistency
> >of user interface that is elegant and "musical." Still, when it comes to
> >performance mangling I prefer Eventides and normally use three
> of them. The
> >Lexicons sit in studio rack and never hit the road.
> >--
> >
> >______________________________________________________________
> >Richard Zvonar, PhD
> >(818) 788-2202
> >http://www.zvonar.com
> >http://RZCybernetics.com
>
>
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> ___________________________________________
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>

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At 10:08 AM 1/6/2003, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
>has there ever been any communication with line6 about the dl4 from a 
>list-member? we seem to have all the other major players represented or 
>contactable somehow...

People from Line6 were on the list for about a year after the DL-4 came 
out. You can probably find the discussions in the archives.

kim


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I too appreciated both the original issue and Ted's note. Hey! I know that
guy.

Mark

on 1/6/03 4:28 PM, Stan Card at stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:

> hey tedster-
> nice note to the editor in the present 'guitarplyer' mag...good to see props
> bein given to a coupla loopers(tibbetts&frisell) ina major mag.
> 
> stan

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Ah. I see. I've done simpler but similar things relying on the ability of
the Boss RDD-10 to overdrive itself. Having a more complex feedback loop
presumably generates more interesting sounds.

Mark

on 1/6/03 5:54 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote:

> read through the little explanation, repeated below --- it's really easy to
> set thisall up, and you'll see how no traditional musical instrument is
> necessary:
> the loop is, itself, the instrument.....

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<>

Which in turn has caused God to turn His back on
us and lifted His protection, thus allowing
things like September 11 to happen. ;-) 

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> <   but the co-option of religion by the
> politically ambitious has commonly led to great
> "evil" >>
> 
> Which in turn has caused God to turn His back on
> us and lifted His protection, thus allowing
> things like September 11 to happen. ;-) 

Well, whaddya know, Jerry Falwell just signed up under a psuedonym... 

LOL 

Steve 
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sorry, folks.....
(really)

said performance will be 1/25/2004;
i misunderstood the promoter, from the start --- i was fully one year off.

oops,
dt / s-c



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sorry, folks.....
(really)

said performance will be 1/25/2004;
i misunderstood the promoter, from the start --- i was fully one year off.

oops,
dt / s-c

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>--- "mr.monk"  wrote:
>> i just wanted to send a quick note to say that i had the repeater
>> (noise reduction) mod done last month and i have had a chance to A/B it
>> with and un-modified repeater and i think the reduction is significant.
>> i'd say in the 50-65% quiter range in terms of the clock noise and
>> 25-50% range for overall hum and hiss.


Could  mr.monk or, anyone who knows, please forward me the information on
where to get this modification done?
I can't seem to find it in the archive.

Thanks

Mike B.

Mike Berman
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ROTFL - fantastic, it's not just me then!!!!

I once turned up to a gig a year late - turns out the listings magazine I'd
found on the train was a year old... :o)

cheers

steve
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> sorry, folks.....
> (really)
>
> said performance will be 1/25/2004;
> i misunderstood the promoter, from the start --- i was fully one year off.
>
> oops,
> dt / s-c
>
>
>


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That's ok by me...gives me more time to plan my trip!  -Todd

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That's ok by me...gives me more time to plan my trip!  -Todd

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i know the lexicon gear lust thing. i don't own the more expensive 
pcm 80/81,but remember reading about the mpx100, debated a yr on 
buying one, read all the reviews, all the archive stuff on LD. 
finally read an article that bill frisell used one, and figured if he 
had one, it's good enough for me.
i bought mine (new), then a month later they came out w/ the mpx110. classic.
but i understand the underwhelmed thing. there are times when i have a
love/hate relationship w/ it, but i tend to think that it works 
better as  my "over effected friend". i like it for the options it 
gives me: clean effects and reverbs, decent pitch shifter etc. and i 
like to use it in conjunction of w/ my digitech dsp25xl to compare 
reverb types etc.
gear lust, it never ends, i often debate: maybe i should sell 
everything and start anew just for fun!!!!!
s---
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LEXICON's delay units are best heard on those classic Skinny Puppy albums likes bites, remissions even MIND and Cleanse. It's used on vocals, synths, radios and drums.

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Howdy all,

Yeah, it was good to see a coupla major loopers in the press for a change.
I hadn't ever written to GP before. But I couldn't let their coverage of two
of my most favorite players go under-appreciated and unthanked. If we 
don't try to encourage press coverage for the likes of the Frisells, Torns, 
Tibbettses and Fripps out there (who have, at least, successfully acheived 
SOME visibility already) our own music will remain all the more obscure.

Funny thing is, they edited out the last paragraph I wrote, which read:

     >Keep it up. How 'bout a regular "from the fringes" 
     >column serving up tidbits on the likes of: Terje 
     >Rypdal, David Fiuczynski, David Torn, Nels Cline, 
     >Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Eliott Sharp, Nicky 
     >Skopelitis, Paul Dresher, Scott Johnson, Vernon 
     >Reid, John Abercrombie, Michael Brook, Daniel 
     >Lanois, Gary Lucas, Jim Thomas, Andre LaFosse, 
     >Eugene Chadbourne, Mike Keneally . . . sigh . . . 
     >the list could go on and on, but you get the idea. 
     >Even a regular sidebar for us serious "oddballs 
     >of the guitar" aficionados would be an interesting 
     >addition to GP.

I guess they like to get "thanks" but are less enthusiastic about outside 
"suggestions" of editorial direction. And, yes, I really did mention Andre 
in that list. Oh well.

Cheers!

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
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Ouch.


In the dollar bin, at the pawn shop where I bought a concertina for 60$ that turns out to be worth about 3000$, I found a copy of a CD I'm sure everyone will want to sample into their loops~


PAT BOONE In a Metal Mood, NO MORE MR NICE GUY.


Oh yes metal fans,


Here's the disc you've been waiting for~


Featuring hits like:


Judas Priest's "you've got another thing comin"


And the immortal AC/DC's "It's a long way to the top if you wanna rock N roll"


Yes, there's ENTER SANDMAN, CRAZY TRAIN,


and a whole lot more,


and of course it wouldn't be complete without,


yes,


you guessed it,


STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN.


the wind cries patty


may the white bucks rock on.


 


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You know, I've never really heard the "noise" everyone talked of (except
for the headphone nose which I don't use anyway) but upon putting the
Repeater in the effects loop of a Johnson JT-60 guitar amp and turned it
up and "woop, there it is."  On the bright side, I don't really ever
play that loud.  If I was doing a lot of gigs using it, I'd probably go
for the mod.

Mark Sottilaro

"Mike B (digiboy)" wrote:
> 
> >--- "mr.monk"  wrote:
> >> i just wanted to send a quick note to say that i had the repeater
> >> (noise reduction) mod done last month and i have had a chance to A/B it
> >> with and un-modified repeater and i think the reduction is significant.
> >> i'd say in the 50-65% quiter range in terms of the clock noise and
> >> 25-50% range for overall hum and hiss.
> 
> Could  mr.monk or, anyone who knows, please forward me the information on
> where to get this modification done?
> I can't seem to find it in the archive.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike B.
> 
> Mike Berman
> digiboy@nyc.rr.com

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> You know, I've never really heard the "noise" everyone talked of (except
> for the headphone nose which I don't use anyway) 

I don't either because it makes it hard to breathe and
I can't see a dammed thing!


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--- Mark  wrote:
> You know, I've never really heard the "noise" everyone talked of (except
> for the headphone nose which I don't use anyway) but upon putting the
> Repeater in the effects loop of a Johnson JT-60 guitar amp and turned it
> up and "woop, there it is."  On the bright side, I don't really ever
> play that loud.  If I was doing a lot of gigs using it, I'd probably go
> for the mod.

I hadn't really noticed it much, using it in my studio at home, but when I used
it in a notably RF unfriendly environment recently, I noticed a lot of noise from
my, normally quiet, rig. Part of that may have been a ground loop with the PA,
but all my stuff was plugged into the same outlet, and when I bypassed the rack
to use just the DG Stomp, it was more quiet, so I'm wondering how much of the
noise was from the ground loop. Unfortunately, I didn't have an isolation
interface to test it with. Perhaps I can do that another time.

So, with the shielding issues, it may be more effective on induced noise from the
environment that the unit's being used in then the inherent (internal) noise of
the thing itself.

Greg

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Ted,

your point about needing to let mags know what you want to read is a VITAL
one, and it does make a difference... It's also worth emailing the companies
that those players have deals with, as they can request interviews with the
magazines that they advertise with, and have a bit of clout too... :o)

So anyone wanting to email Bill Leigh at Bass Player magazine on my behalf,
go right ahead! :o)

editor@bassplayer.com I think...

cheers

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk

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> Howdy all,
>
> Yeah, it was good to see a coupla major loopers in the press for a change.
> I hadn't ever written to GP before. But I couldn't let their coverage of
two
> of my most favorite players go under-appreciated and unthanked. If we
> don't try to encourage press coverage for the likes of the Frisells,
Torns,
> Tibbettses and Fripps out there (who have, at least, successfully acheived
> SOME visibility already) our own music will remain all the more obscure.
>
> Funny thing is, they edited out the last paragraph I wrote, which read:
>
>      >Keep it up. How 'bout a regular "from the fringes"
>      >column serving up tidbits on the likes of: Terje
>      >Rypdal, David Fiuczynski, David Torn, Nels Cline,
>      >Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Eliott Sharp, Nicky
>      >Skopelitis, Paul Dresher, Scott Johnson, Vernon
>      >Reid, John Abercrombie, Michael Brook, Daniel
>      >Lanois, Gary Lucas, Jim Thomas, Andre LaFosse,
>      >Eugene Chadbourne, Mike Keneally . . . sigh . . .
>      >the list could go on and on, but you get the idea.
>      >Even a regular sidebar for us serious "oddballs
>      >of the guitar" aficionados would be an interesting
>      >addition to GP.
>
> I guess they like to get "thanks" but are less enthusiastic about outside
> "suggestions" of editorial direction. And, yes, I really did mention Andre
> in that list. Oh well.
>
> Cheers!
>
> tEd ® kiLLiAn
>
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake
>
>
>


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What is it that would make a usually quiet (large) rack of gear, at times, 
produce a loud hum.  I'm curious because often my gear is quiet, but at times 
can be rather noisy.

-also, would the inclusion of a 'balanced power' power strip (like the ones 
made by Furman) reduce most if not all electrically produced noise?  -thanks, 
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What is it that would make a usually quiet (large) rack of gear, at times, produce a loud hum.  I'm curious because often my gear is quiet, but at times can be rather noisy.



-also, would the inclusion of a 'balanced power' power strip (like the ones made by Furman) reduce most if not all electrically produced noise?  -thanks, Todd

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That might be RF interference, "clean" or "dirty"
power, etc.... If your rack is normally quiet, that'd
probably rule out an internal ground loop; I'd look at
the power source.

One club I used to play in was notorious among area
musicians for having two outlets on different circuits
on the stage; the one at stage left was OK, but the
other one was on the same line as some of the bar
equipment, and (normally quiet) amps plugged in on
that side would buzz like a smoke alarm.

-t-

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> rack of gear, at times, 
> produce a loud hum.  I'm curious because often my
> gear is quiet, but at times 
> can be rather noisy.

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No joke, Pat Boone owns Channel 56 in Anaheim! :)  Is Wally George still =
alive and kicking people off his show?
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Ouch.

  In the dollar bin, at the pawn shop where I bought a concertina for =
60$ that turns out to be worth about 3000$, I found a copy of a CD I'm =
sure everyone will want to sample into their loops~

  PAT BOONE In a Metal Mood, NO MORE MR NICE GUY.

  Oh yes metal fans,

  Here's the disc you've been waiting for~

  Featuring hits like:

  Judas Priest's "you've got another thing comin"

  And the immortal AC/DC's "It's a long way to the top if you wanna rock =
N roll"

  Yes, there's ENTER SANDMAN, CRAZY TRAIN,

  and a whole lot more,

  and of course it wouldn't be complete without,

  yes,

  you guessed it,

  STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN.

  the wind cries patty

  may the white bucks rock on.



  this little slice of OT brought to you by

  the most scurrilous of leftist wackos,

  grinning from ear to ear.




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No joke, Pat Boone owns Channel 56 in Anaheim! =
:) =20
Is Wally George still alive and kicking people off his =
show?


  
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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 =

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Ouch.

  
In the dollar bin, at the pawn shop where I bought a =
concertina for=20
  60$ that turns out to be worth about 3000$, I found a copy of a =
CD I'm=20
  sure everyone will want to sample into their loops~

  
PAT BOONE In a Metal Mood, NO MORE MR NICE GUY.

  
Oh yes metal fans,

  
Here's the disc you've been waiting for~

  
Featuring hits like:

  
Judas Priest's "you've got another thing comin"

  
And the immortal AC/DC's "It's a long way to the top if you wanna =
rock N=20
  roll"

  
Yes, there's ENTER SANDMAN, CRAZY TRAIN,

  
and a whole lot more,

  
and of course it wouldn't be complete without,

  
yes,

  
you guessed it,

  
STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN.

  
the wind cries patty

  
may the white bucks rock on.

  
 

  
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A search of amazon.com reveals that people who ordered:

In a Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy ~ Pat Boone

also ordered:

Lounge Against the Machine ~ Richard Cheese
The Annoying Music Show's The Annoying Music Show CD ~ Jim Nayder
A Hillbilly Tribute to AC/DC ~ Hayseed Dixie
Golden Throats: The Great Celebrity Sing Off ~ Various Artists
Wild, Cool & Swingin' ~ Mrs. Miller

You can also hear samples of selected tunes from "No More Mr. Nice Guy" on
amazon.

Hmmmm...

Dennis Leas
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Hi all,

talking about Repeater noise, did anyone figure that the Repeater produces
audible clicks when getting sounds from CFC cards? Mine does so and it´s
quite obvious that it literally "chops" the sound data into pieces, the
"click" frequency being dependent on the BPM setting. It doesn´t happen when
I load something from a card into the onboard memory. It can´t be the card
as it´s one the recommended ones, and even the one the Repeater originally
came with produces these glitches. Apart from that I find it quite decent,
not as noisy as my Jam Man but still not totally noise-free. It has a
unusual digital hiss to it which I find a bit disturbing.

Anyone know a cure for that nasty CFC "glitching" noise? And where can I get
this mod from? What does it cost? Is it available through anyone here in
Germany?

Stephen


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> --- Mark  wrote:
> > You know, I've never really heard the "noise" everyone talked of (except
> > for the headphone nose which I don't use anyway) but upon putting the
> > Repeater in the effects loop of a Johnson JT-60 guitar amp and turned it
> > up and "woop, there it is."  On the bright side, I don't really ever
> > play that loud.  If I was doing a lot of gigs using it, I'd probably go
> > for the mod.
>
> I hadn't really noticed it much, using it in my studio at home, but when I
used
> it in a notably RF unfriendly environment recently, I noticed a lot of
noise from
> my, normally quiet, rig. Part of that may have been a ground loop with the
PA,
> but all my stuff was plugged into the same outlet, and when I bypassed the
rack
> to use just the DG Stomp, it was more quiet, so I'm wondering how much of
the
> noise was from the ground loop. Unfortunately, I didn't have an isolation
> interface to test it with. Perhaps I can do that another time.
>
> So, with the shielding issues, it may be more effective on induced noise
from the
> environment that the unit's being used in then the inherent (internal)
noise of
> the thing itself.
>
> Greg
>
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--- Dennis Leas  wrote:
> ...people who ordered:... Pat Boone... also ordered:
> etc...

They'd probably like this stuff too:


(I wonder if Pat's white buck shoes would be better or
worse than, say, Doc Martens or sneakers if Mr. Boone
were to OPERATE THE FOOTSWITCHES OF A LOOPING DEVICE!)

-t-

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Sometimes my staff hums when it placed to near lighting cables.=20
Try to keep the rack as well as audio cables not closer than a couple of =
feet from lighting gear.

Hope that it helps.

E. Faingersh
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  What is it that would make a usually quiet (large) rack of gear, at =
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>Which in turn has caused God to turn His back on 




>us and lifted His protection, thus allowing 




>things like September 11 to happen. ;-) 


Whose God(dess) are we talking about here anyway?





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In a message dated 1/7/2003 9:35:14 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:

>ROTFL - fantastic, it's not just me then!!!!
obviously, not!
dude,
dt / s-c

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There's only two.
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Stick with Gear. Most H junkies are pathetic thieving assholes - unless
they have a big RIAA sub entity advance. Then they're "eccentric," or
"quirky."

Yeah, stick with gear....

Scott

> Butch wrote:
> 
> I wonder if I would have more financial liquidity if I switched to
> 'horse'.
> 
> Regards, Butch

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I have acquired a G2 on  eBay which has not yet arrived.  I am hoping the
Looper in it will work well with the Echoplex with Loop IV.  I notice that
the G2 has an effects loop, and I read in the archives that Todd Reynolds
had some problems with that configuration.  Anybody here care to share their
experiences using these two units together?  Steve Lawson?  Also, do I
absolutely need the R1, or will the PMC work almost as well?
I specifically wonder if the software thru is toggleable--I'm gonna want to
use the internal clock as well as driving everything from the EDP.  Guess
I'll have lots of manual reading to do.  Unfortunately the manual is not
available online.
In other news, tomorrow morning I am the lucky recipient of rotator cuff
surgery on my right shoulder.  The good news is that I have some real good
health insurance.  I will, of course, be unable to play guitar for a while,
but ultimately I think this surgery will make me a better player.
Best to all and wish me luck,
Gary Lehmann


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ted-thanks for the heads up on your letter (and the edited out version).
i've been going through my old GP mags, and back in the early 90's they
had a short section on "underground" guitarists ("notes from the 
underground" i think it was called). always interesting stuff to 
read. i stopped my subscription to GP in the fall, b/c i found that i 
barely read any of the articles, was generally uninterested in most 
of the stuff in there. to me,
the articles/magazine in general was more interesting 10+ yrs ago.
guess the classic scenario happened, the second i stop subscribing, 
the articles
got better? happens to me all the time.
s---
ps-guess i'll have to head down to the library to check out the 
previous few issues.


>Howdy all,
>
>Yeah, it was good to see a coupla major loopers in the press for a change.
>I hadn't ever written to GP before. But I couldn't let their coverage of two
>of my most favorite players go under-appreciated and unthanked. If we
>don't try to encourage press coverage for the likes of the Frisells, Torns,
>Tibbettses and Fripps out there (who have, at least, successfully acheived
>SOME visibility already) our own music will remain all the more obscure.
>
>Funny thing is, they edited out the last paragraph I wrote, which read:
>
>      >Keep it up. How 'bout a regular "from the fringes"
>      >column serving up tidbits on the likes of: Terje
>      >Rypdal, David Fiuczynski, David Torn, Nels Cline,
>      >Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Eliott Sharp, Nicky
>      >Skopelitis, Paul Dresher, Scott Johnson, Vernon
>      >Reid, John Abercrombie, Michael Brook, Daniel
>      >Lanois, Gary Lucas, Jim Thomas, Andre LaFosse,
>      >Eugene Chadbourne, Mike Keneally . . . sigh . . .
>      >the list could go on and on, but you get the idea.
>      >Even a regular sidebar for us serious "oddballs
>      >of the guitar" aficionados would be an interesting
>      >addition to GP.
>
>I guess they like to get "thanks" but are less enthusiastic about outside
>"suggestions" of editorial direction. And, yes, I really did mention Andre
>in that list. Oh well.
>
>Cheers!
>
>tEd ® kiLLiAn
>
>http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
>http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake


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--- Clayton Gary Lehmann  wrote:

> In other news, tomorrow morning I am the lucky recipient of rotator cuff
> surgery on my right shoulder.  The good news is that I have some real good
> health insurance.  I will, of course, be unable to play guitar for a while,
> but ultimately I think this surgery will make me a better player.

I sure hope the surgery goes well for you, Gary. I know the downtime will be
frustrating (at least, it would be for me), but perhaps you can use it
productively in another way.

Best Wishes,
Greg

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Yeah! good luck Gary,

I boke my arm rather badly last year, and after 2 weeks of agony, I got
bored, got up, went to the computer, and recorded my latest album! SO you
can turn the spare time into something usefull!

Mark Red


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> --- Clayton Gary Lehmann  wrote:
>
> > In other news, tomorrow morning I am the lucky recipient of rotator cuff
> > surgery on my right shoulder.  The good news is that I have some real
good
> > health insurance.  I will, of course, be unable to play guitar for a
while,
> > but ultimately I think this surgery will make me a better player.
>
> I sure hope the surgery goes well for you, Gary. I know the downtime will
be
> frustrating (at least, it would be for me), but perhaps you can use it
> productively in another way.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Greg
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A recent reference here to the Fripp interview got me to pull out that 1986
issue (the only particularly old issue I've got). Wow, there was a lot of
text in those days. I had to start wondering whether this is the fault of
desktop publishing and Photoshop. When you've got color on every (or almost
every) page, photographs become a lot more attractive to include than text.
When a magazine is mostly going to be simple black & white printing, text
makes a lot of sense. Or maybe guitarist's attention spans have just fallen
dramatically.

(Sorry for wandering off-topic, Kim. I'm preparing some very on topic posts
about looping techniques to make amends.)

Mark

on 1/8/03 6:46 AM, Scott Hansen at scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu wrote:

> ted-thanks for the heads up on your letter (and the edited out version).
> i've been going through my old GP mags, and back in the early 90's they
> had a short section on "underground" guitarists ("notes from the
> underground" i think it was called). always interesting stuff to
> read. i stopped my subscription to GP in the fall, b/c i found that i
> barely read any of the articles, was generally uninterested in most
> of the stuff in there. to me,
> the articles/magazine in general was more interesting 10+ yrs ago.
> guess the classic scenario happened, the second i stop subscribing,
> the articles
> got better? happens to me all the time.
> s---
> ps-guess i'll have to head down to the library to check out the
> previous few issues.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hamburg" 

> A recent reference here to the Fripp interview got me to pull out that
1986
> issue (the only particularly old issue I've got). Wow, there was a lot of
> text in those days. I had to start wondering whether this is the fault of
> desktop publishing and Photoshop. When you've got color on every (or
almost
> every) page, photographs become a lot more attractive to include than
text.
> When a magazine is mostly going to be simple black & white printing, text
> makes a lot of sense. Or maybe guitarist's attention spans have just
fallen
> dramatically.

Less advertising means less pages & smaller articles.


* David Beardsley
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I stumbled across the Ruby Gamba the other day 
(http://www.ruby-gamba.com), and I thought it would be of interest to 
the loopers out there. Its an electric upright 7-stringed instrument  
(tuned like a 7-string guitar or a viola de gamba) with frets that can 
be played with bow or pizzicato. It is freestanding, which allows 
people to twiddle on electrical equipment without worrying about 
holding the instrument up.

It looks great... and I want one. :)
-- 
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This Saturday, January 11, 9:00
at the exotic Jasmine Tree, 401 SW Harrison, Portland, OR

featuring:

The Darsan Trio
Admiral Twinkle Devil and The Turntable Enabler

with

The Ascention Conspiracy
Scott the Trade-Up Man
Neil Goldstein
Lecture
and an end of gig loop jam!

This will be the first loopers gig in Portland that I know of, and 
should feature these looping machines:

Boomerang
EDP
JamMan
Line 6 DL4
Very, very long Tape Loops

There will be guitars (acoustic and electric), basses (4-6 strings), 
drums, voice (looped and other), keyboards, drum machines (looped), 
turntables, and gongs (oh my!!)


Hope to see you all there!

D.G.
The Darsan Trio


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Hello, I am very curious about the touch style instruments, although I'm sure 
its unlikely, I was curious if anyone may be interested in trading for a 
STICK or a WARR?

I really like the look of the maple and or graphite instruments, but I would 
just like to get started... 

Greg Howard allowed me to play one of his at NAMM last summer, and I have 
been dying to spend some time on this type of instrument in the privacy of my 
own garage!

The more strings the better!

I have a Billy Sheehan Yamaha Attitude LTD II BASS that I would like to trade 
my way into the stick world with ... it is in great condition and plays 
beautifully! It includes a hard case...

If at all interested you can see what this bass I am offering is all about 
at: www.musiciansfriend.com you can search for Yamaha Attitude and it is the 
more expensive of the pair...

Please let me know if you may at all be interested!

Thanks,
Greg Campbell

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I joined the loopers delight forum in late 2001... 

While I worked for the Gibson Montana Acoustic guitar plant, I acquired a 
pair of Gibson Echoplexes using my employee discount...

A few minutes ago I totaled up my LOOP performances, since I started looping 
I have done 28 looping performances and currently have 10 more scheduled on 
my calendar!

You always see guitarists around here doing the solo acoustic act singing 
grateful dead covers (hey covers of covers)... I thought how could I play 
solo as a bassist? I wanted to ALWAYS have the means of getting a gig, band 
or not!

I was introduced to the echoplexes by Dave Pomeroy a bassist from Nashville. 
I had briefly owned a boomerang before but really hated it since you could 
not link it to anyone or anything else...

They say within a NICHE market you have to "create your own scene"... I came 
on here and asked a few questions ... the answers seemed negative, but VERY 
helpful... I got the vibe that most felt lucky to get a free coffee and the 
opportunity to perform their "ART" ... at least according to the answers I 
was given!

Well, I then set out on a mission! I now make more money inventing music spur 
of the moment than I ever have playing the latest greatest most popular 
covers, $2400.00 to date SO FAR w/ just looping gigs alone ... and the kicker 
is that I have never left MONTANA of all places!

I have introduced several musicians here to the idea and am paving the way 
for a scene...

I am proud of what I have done and thankful for the advice and suggestions 
given in this community...

So here's to my 1 year looping anniversary, and here's to all of you!

MAN, I LOVE LOOPER'S DELIGHT!!!!!!

Thanks,
9:
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Gregory Bruce Campbell

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I joined the loopers delight forum in late 2001... 



While I worked for the Gibson Montana Acoustic guitar plant, I acquired a pair of Gibson Echoplexes using my employee discount...



A few minutes ago I totaled up my LOOP performances, since I started looping I have done 28 looping performances and currently have 10 more scheduled on my calendar!



You always see guitarists around here doing the solo acoustic act singing grateful dead covers (hey covers of covers)... I thought how could I play solo as a bassist? I wanted to ALWAYS have the means of getting a gig, band or not!



I was introduced to the echoplexes by Dave Pomeroy a bassist from Nashville. I had briefly owned a boomerang before but really hated it since you could not link it to anyone or anything else...



They say within a NICHE market you have to "create your own scene"... I came on here and asked a few questions ... the answers seemed negative, but VERY helpful... I got the vibe that most felt lucky to get a free coffee and the opportunity to perform their "ART" ... at least according to the answers I was given!



Well, I then set out on a mission! I now make more money inventing music spur of the moment than I ever have playing the latest greatest most popular covers, $2400.00 to date SO FAR w/ just looping gigs alone ... and the kicker is that I have never left MONTANA of all places!



I have introduced several musicians here to the idea and am paving the way for a scene...



I am proud of what I have done and thankful for the advice and suggestions given in this community...



So here's to my 1 year looping anniversary, and here's to all of you!



MAN, I LOVE LOOPER'S DELIGHT!!!!!!



Thanks,

9:

the artist formerly know as:

Gregory Bruce Campbell



Listen up loopers who are MP3.COM artists: 

Please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to: looping9string@aol.com for: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html

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right ON TOPIC I think

thanks for the information -- now, if I could only justify it's purchase







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I stumbled across the Ruby Gamba the other day (http://www.ruby-gamba.com), 
and I thought it would be of interest to the loopers out there. Its an 
electric upright 7-stringed instrument  (tuned like a 7-string guitar or a 
viola de gamba) with frets that can be played with bow or pizzicato. It is 
freestanding, which allows people to twiddle on electrical equipment without 
worrying about holding the instrument up.

It looks great... and I want one. :)
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The guy I know who does the mod is Vince, at Pro Audio in Watertown,
Massachusetts. Your best bet would be to call him at 617-926-8020 or you can
email him at audiopro@shore.net


dan

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Could  mr.monk or, anyone who knows, please forward me the information on
where to get this modification done?
I can't seem to find it in the archive.

Thanks

Mike B.

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Re: Where can I get the Repeater mod?


The guy I know who does the mod is Vince, at Pro Audio in Watertown, Massac=
husetts. Your best bet would be to call him at 617-926-8020 or you can email=
 him at audiopro@shore.net





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Could  mr.monk or, anyone who knows, please forward me the information=
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where to get this modification done?

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>     The guy I know who does the mod is Vince, at Pro Audio in Watertown,
>Massachusetts. Your best bet would be to call him at 617-926-8020 or you
>can email him at audiopro@shore.net
>
>
> dan
>


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Hi gang,

I'm extremely excited to announce a whole series of
California Dates with the LOOP TRIO.

For months now, Andre LaFosse (L.A. guitar turntablist),
Steve Lawson (London fretless bass phenom) and I (multi instrumental
percussive madness) have been tossing the idea of doing a tour
together.  We are such incredibly different musicians and we have
been dying to know how this chemistry would end up sounding

We decided to design the shows so that we could be free to
improvise using looping gear in solo,duo and trio formats
and we are finally going to do it!!!!

I'm so friggin' excited, I can't tell you all.

Our itenary is thus:

THURS - SUN JAN 16-19  at the NAMM show in ANAHEIM
    We'll all three be at this, the craziest of music trade shows, playing
and schmoozing
at several different booths, but most notably the GIBSON booth where there
is a chance
we may do some impromptu EDP jams

SUNDAY JAN 19 Rocco's  in  HOLLYWOOD
    with the fabulous MICHAEL MANRING making us a quartet
(note late start time of 10 p.m. for all you staggering
NAMM veterans.......;-)

WEDNESDAY JAN 22   Z-pies in SAN LUIS OBISPO
    with loop madman Hans Lindauer opening with his loop project, ARMATRONIX

THURSDAY JAN 23   Art21 Gallery  in STANFORD
    with innovative percussion looperJon Wagner and 1st lady of loops, Cara
Quinn (aka Goddess)........Steve's doing a clinic on during this show and
will not be appearing

FRIDAY JAN 24   at the San Jose Museum of Art  in SAN JOSE
    just the three of us on this one lots of room to stretch out.....;-)
This is one of my favorite venues on the tour where Michael, Steve and I
had an incredible show during the 1st BASS LOOPING TOUR. It'll be glad to
get back
there again.

SATURDAY JAN 25  Cayuga Vault  SANTA CRUZ
    with Bill Walker, one of the most sophisticated
users of the Electrix REPEATER opening (btw, watch
for Bill's demos of Turner Guitars at the Seymour
Duncan Booth at NAMM)

SUNDAY JAN 26  Bananas at Large BERKELEY  (note EARLY 3 p.m. start)
    doing a three person GIBSON EDP Echoplex/LOOP 4 software
demonstration/clinic

MONDAY JAN 27  Westlake Elementary School 8:30 a.m. SANTA CRUZ
    Well, actually this is just me playing solo, but they are paying me to
loop so what the hey...........LOL.

WEDNESDAY JAN 29  Henflings BEN LOMOND
    Again, with the incomparable MICHAEL MANRING

All the shows start at 8 p.m. (unless otherwise noted) and
are $10 at the door with no one turned away for lack of funds.

We really hope that you can make one or more of these shows.  I think it's
going to be really cool.

yours, in the loop, Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL)

please e-mail me or andre offlist if you want more specific information
about the gigs.


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Hey Kris - How do you know?  inside information?  publicly available information? 


At 09:37 AM 2003/01/07 -0600, Kris Day wrote:

>LEXICON's delay units are best heard on those classic Skinny Puppy albums likes bites, remissions even MIND and Cleanse. It's used on vocals, synths, radios and drums.

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Rick,
 Bananas at Large is in San Rafael,(not Berkely)
Have a great tour you three..!!!.
        I probebly will not make any of the dates as my son 
JAYA NEYON-DRENGSEN was born Jan 6,2003..
PEACE
Scott Kungha Drengsen

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In case anyone is interested, the new Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus 
appears to be listed for sale at Musician's Friend, with an arrival date of 
Jan 20. This new version has LoopIV built in, offering tons of new 
functionality over the old LoopIII version. But by far the most important 
new feature: it is black!

kim


______________________________________________________________________
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Congratulations!

Best wishes for son, mother, and father!

Dennis Leas
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> Rick,
>  Bananas at Large is in San Rafael,(not Berkely)
> Have a great tour you three..!!!.
>         I probebly will not make any of the dates as my son 
> JAYA NEYON-DRENGSEN was born Jan 6,2003..
> PEACE
> Scott Kungha Drengsen
> 
> 

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Ladies and Gents: 
 
It's a pleasure to announce the first Boston Loopfest 
of 2003! 
 
Eight looping acts over two nights! We've got a  
variety of performers for these two evenings, so 
come one and all and check out what's happening 
on the Boston loop scene! 
 
W H E N : 
 
Thursday-Friday, 30-31 January 2003 
Shows will begin both nights at 7:30p. 
 
 
W H O : 
 
Thursday night we'll hear the first four performances: 
 
-Michael LaMeyer 
-Jon Wobesky with Jonathan Byerly 
-Ghost 7 
-Dave Dunbar 
 
Friday we'll continue the looping mayhem with  
round two: 
 
-UNDO 
-Jonathan LaMaster 
-Notnoise vs. Repeatpeak 
-RandomSalt 
 
Video artist Ann Marie Lanesey will be providing the  
visuals, and will also be MCing the event. 
 
 
W H E R E : 
 
Zeitgeist Gallery 
1363 Cambridge Street 
Cambridge, MA 
(right near the center of Inman Square) 
 
There will be a suggested donation of $10 at the 
door. [Not a soul will be turned away for lack of 
funds.] 
 
Come both nights if you can! Bring friends, family,  
your entire Glee Club! There's a lot of great  
talent on this bill to check out. If you're anywhere 
near the Boston area on the last two days of this 
month, swing over to the Zeitgeist Gallery and hear 
loads of looping....this is not an event to miss!!!! 
 
 
-peter koniuto




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Actually after seeing a picture...I like my 'beige-face' EDP better. And
we all know the old ones sound better anyway, if you are looking for
that 'mojo tone' and all. :) Although I might by one just for the round
buttons....and, oh yeah, the ability to loop in stereo would be cool
too.

Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
http://www.hazardfactor.com
 

 
> 
> In case anyone is interested, the new Gibson Echoplex Digital 
> Pro Plus 
> appears to be listed for sale at Musician's Friend, with an 
> arrival date of 
> Jan 20. This new version has LoopIV built in, offering tons of new 
> functionality over the old LoopIII version. But by far the 
> most important 
> new feature: it is black!
> 
> kim
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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> So, regardin' looping; I'm curious, given that the EDP and Repeater both
>  have a number of ways with which to switch from loop to loop, and even the
>  Jam Man to a certain extent, how are people finding themselves doing this?,

dramatic changes of time tempo and key
when I can pull it off that is ;-(

Also nice to first establish a loop theme,
copy it (or a section of it ), 
break it down and/or take it elsewhere,
and then return to it.


andy butler 

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> There is the Yamamha MFC-10, although some have complained it has too much 
>  latency from when you press a button to when the command is sent. It does 
>  offer a much more complete midi implementation:

this latency is confirmed by Yamaha UK tech support
(almost 100mS)
maybe if you're always MIDI syncing your loops you 
can get away with it


>  
>  And there is the Roland FC-200, which I believe also offers a complete 
midi 
>  implementation:

it does send Note-On, but only in a fixed arrangement.
(simulating a piano keyboard)
In other words, you can't program which note-on is sent by which switch.

It seems to only use one MIDI channel

(I've seen the manual)


best bet is still the Behringer FCB1010
...far from perfect
...so tedious to program that you'll think about not bothering
...less than half the price of the others

andy butler 
 

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Thanks for the info... perhaps I'll see you there.

Pbolan in Portland, Oregon.

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Subject: Gig Spam: LoopFest A-Go-Go in Portland Or

This Saturday, January 11, 9:00
at the exotic Jasmine Tree, 401 SW Harrison, Portland, OR

featuring:

The Darsan Trio
Admiral Twinkle Devil and The Turntable Enabler

with

The Ascention Conspiracy
Scott the Trade-Up Man
Neil Goldstein
Lecture
and an end of gig loop jam!

This will be the first loopers gig in Portland that I know of, and 
should feature these looping machines:

Boomerang
EDP
JamMan
Line 6 DL4
Very, very long Tape Loops

There will be guitars (acoustic and electric), basses (4-6 strings), 
drums, voice (looped and other), keyboards, drum machines (looped), 
turntables, and gongs (oh my!!)


Hope to see you all there!

D.G.
The Darsan Trio

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Hi there,
 
I'm new to the list, and just beginning to experiment with real time
looping (just bought the JamMan (fully expanded) and Vortex for $US 160
all together, what a nice start into 2003...). I have two questions:
 
1. I was looking into the Oberheim/ Gibson Echoplex for a while. Despite
it's numerous features, is the signal processing in/ out in mono?
2. What MIDI-Controllers are most suitable for the JamMan? I followed a
threat where the Roland and Behringer devices were highly praised. The
delay in transmitting the MIDI-Data seems to be a concern... What are
you experiences with foot controllers for the JamMan?
 
Thanks,
 
Fabian

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The EDP is mono, but you can run two synched for stereo using it's
Brother Synch function.  Spendy, but a kick ass stereo looper.

The JamMan has pretty basic needs for MIDI, but I recommend the
Behringer for price and features.

welcome to the list,

Mark Sottilaro

Fabian Petersen wrote:

>  Hi there,I'm new to the list, and just beginning to experiment with
> real time looping (just bought the JamMan (fully expanded) and Vortex
> for $US 160 all together, what a nice start into 2003...). I have two
> questions:1. I was looking into the Oberheim/ Gibson Echoplex for a
> while. Despite it's numerous features, is the signal processing in/
> out in mono?2. What MIDI-Controllers are most suitable for the JamMan?
> I followed a threat where the Roland and Behringer devices were highly
> praised. The delay in transmitting the MIDI-Data seems to be a
> concern... What are you experiences with foot controllers for the
> JamMan?Thanks,Fabian
>  "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
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Thanks. Yes, I heard about the synch feature of the Echoplex. But that's
really a bigger investment setting those up in stereo. Worth it, I'm
sure, but not cheap... So I will cling to my little boxes here and
explore them as far as it gets. Maybe then it's time to seriously think
about spending more money to it.


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The EDP is mono, but you can run two synched for stereo using it's
Brother Synch function.  Spendy, but a kick ass stereo looper.

The JamMan has pretty basic needs for MIDI, but I recommend the
Behringer for price and features.

welcome to the list,

Mark Sottilaro

Fabian Petersen wrote:

>  Hi there,I'm new to the list, and just beginning to experiment with 
> real time looping (just bought the JamMan (fully expanded) and Vortex 
> for $US 160 all together, what a nice start into 2003...). I have two 
> questions:1. I was looking into the Oberheim/ Gibson Echoplex for a 
> while. Despite it's numerous features, is the signal processing in/ 
> out in mono?2. What MIDI-Controllers are most suitable for the JamMan?

> I followed a threat where the Roland and Behringer devices were highly

> praised. The delay in transmitting the MIDI-Data seems to be a 
> concern... What are you experiences with foot controllers for the 
> JamMan?Thanks,Fabian  "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>

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Thanks. Yes, I heard about the synch feature of the Echoplex. But that's
really a bigger investment setting those up in stereo. Worth it, I'm
sure, but not cheap... So I will cling to my little boxes here and
explore them as far as it gets. Maybe then it's time to seriously think
about spending more money on it.


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The EDP is mono, but you can run two synched for stereo using it's
Brother Synch function.  Spendy, but a kick ass stereo looper.

The JamMan has pretty basic needs for MIDI, but I recommend the
Behringer for price and features.

welcome to the list,

Mark Sottilaro

Fabian Petersen wrote:

>  Hi there,I'm new to the list, and just beginning to experiment with
> real time looping (just bought the JamMan (fully expanded) and Vortex 
> for $US 160 all together, what a nice start into 2003...). I have two 
> questions:1. I was looking into the Oberheim/ Gibson Echoplex for a 
> while. Despite it's numerous features, is the signal processing in/ 
> out in mono?2. What MIDI-Controllers are most suitable for the JamMan?

> I followed a threat where the Roland and Behringer devices were highly

> praised. The delay in transmitting the MIDI-Data seems to be a 
> concern... What are you experiences with foot controllers for the 
> JamMan?Thanks,Fabian  "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>

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Hi there--I have discovered what I believe to be the manual for the Lexicon
G2 (MPXG2_User_Guide_Rev0.pdf) at http://lexicon.com/mpxg2/downloads.asp
My surgery seems thus far to have been successful, and reading a manual is
the most delightful way to convalesce--it's answering a lot of my questions.
It's got some great EQ programs--might be just the ticket for using the
acoustic guitar for drums!
Still interested in hearing from anyone who has experimented with this unit
and the EDP.
Gary


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My bad,

the Sunday, January 26th EDP clinic at BANANAS at LARGE 
is in SAN RAFAEL at 3 p.m.   NOT Berkeley.

See you all there, hopefully.

yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)


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Cheers and all props to ya!
    I'll bet you're really playing well and keeping a strong focus on musical values that most listeners appreciate. I'd love to hear your comments/insights into your looping strategies, how you pace your sets, etc.
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Cheers and all props to ya!


    I'll bet you're really playing well and 
keeping a strong focus on musical values that most listeners appreciate. I'd 
love to hear your comments/insights into your looping strategies, how you pace 
your sets, etc.


Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net


 


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> 2. What MIDI-Controllers are most suitable for the JamMan? I followed a
>  threat where the Roland and Behringer devices were highly praised. The
>  delay in transmitting the MIDI-Data seems to be a concern... What are
>  you experiences with foot controllers for the JamMan?

The JamMan responds slowly to MIDI, everbody ends
up using a non-MIDI switch for time sensitive functions.
(unless the timing isn't important)

...but as the JamMan only uses Prog Change any
MIDI controller will give you access to the extra MIDI-only 
functions.

However the "extended functions" don't work that well.
The Loop Fadeouts will click at the loop start point.
(not always noticeable)
....and of course the Restart suffers from the delay. 

The ability to easily access the different loops works OK 

The JamMan/Vortex combo will give you plenty to play
with (that's how I started looping), so maybe you don't need
to worry about MIDI control.
The JamMan/Vortex footswitches work well although
they tend to retrigger (nasty) when new or after 
a period of non-use. Sometimes you need to clean the
contacts, or even check that the switch was put together 
properly at the factory (Lexicon didn't build them, they 
bought them in) 

Hope the new toys work for you, here's a link
that might help

Lexicon Vortex Database
 

and search the Looper's delight archives for Vortex patches 

andy butler

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anybody see that 'american justice' on a&e today?
some guy named 'byron looper' killed somebody one day in kentucky or
somewhere and the whole show is about 'loopers girlfriend'-loopers mom-'the
looper crime' and 'the looper family'
i thought it was funny in my sick way anyway(his name that is...)
goinloopee
stan


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Hmmm,

"The Boston Looper"

"In Cold Loop"

"Loopy" Fromme

2nd Looper on the grassy knoll

Superman vs Lex Looper

D.W. Looper


We're keeping bad company!

:)

--- Stan Card  wrote:
> anybody see that 'american justice' on a&e today?
> some guy named 'byron looper' killed somebody one
> day in kentucky or
> somewhere and the whole show is about 'loopers
> girlfriend'-loopers mom-'the
> looper crime' and 'the looper family'
> i thought it was funny in my sick way anyway(his
> name that is...)
> goinloopee
> stan
> 
> 


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I'm going to contact him and find out what he's done, then have a crack meself (I'm an engineer and besides, I'm in london... so I don't really want to ship two repeaters all the way to the states unless I'm going with them)
 
btw, has anyone else noticed that the noise is only there when the repeater is playing the files? I mean, if you take the card out and load the files off it into a pc, the audio is absolutely clean.... which suggests that most of the noise is getting in to the playback-side electronics. I'd be surpised if there's more to the mod than a few small capacitors on the power supply rails adjacent to the d>a converters; the main power supply itself ought to be pretty quiet as it's a switch-mode job and lives outside the box.
 
duncan/r.m.i.
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The guy I know who does the mod is Vince, at Pro Audio in Watertown, Massachusetts. Your best bet would be to call him at 617-926-8020 or you can email him at audiopro@shore.net



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Re: Where can I get the Repeater mod?




I'm 
going to contact him and find out what he's done, then have a crack meself (I'm 
an engineer and besides, I'm in london... so I don't really want to ship two 
repeaters all the way to the states unless I'm going with 
them)


 


btw, 
has anyone else noticed that the noise is only there when the repeater is 
playing the files? I mean, if you take the card out and load the files off it 
into a pc, the audio is absolutely clean.... which suggests that most of the 
noise is getting in to the playback-side electronics. I'd be surpised if there's 
more to the mod than a few small capacitors on the power supply rails 
adjacent to the d>a converters; the main power supply itself ought to be 
pretty quiet as it's a switch-mode job and lives outside the 
box.


 


duncan/r.m.i.


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The guy I know who does the mod is Vince, at 
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Hi all,

I'll be unsubbing from the list during my time in the US, so here's my full
gig list (keep an eye on the website for any changes, or call the venues -
details on my site)

Hope to see lots of you at the gigs, especially the loopalicious shows with
Andre and Rick - those are going to be a LOT of fun!

take care, see you soon

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.)
www.stevelawson.net (the side-door)
www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs)
www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs, priced in USD!)
www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises)


16-19/1/2003 -  NAMM, Anaheim Convention Centre, CA

17/1/2003 Winter NAMM Bass Bash, Anaheim, CA
(Performances Steve Lawson, Michael Manring, Victor Bailey,
Dave Pomeroy, Todd Johnson, Keith Horn, Mike Watt and
Michael Dimin. Admission free)

19/1/2003 - Rocco's, Hollywood, CA (TBC)
with Michael Manring, Rick Walker and Andre LaFosse

22/1/2003 Z-Pie, San Luis Obispo, CA
with Andre LaFosse and Rick Walker

23/1/2003 Gryphon Stringed Instruments, Palo Alto, CA
Ashdown Amplification concert and clinic.

24/1/2003 San Jose Museum Of Art, San Jose, CA
with Andre LaFosse and Rick Walker

25/1/2003 (daytime) Christian Guitarists Conference, Castro Valley, CA

25/1/2003 (evening) Cayuga Vault, Santa Cruz, CA
with Rick Walker, Andre LaFosse and Bill Walker

26/1/2003 Bananas At Large, San Rafael, CA
Andre LaFosse and Rick Walker playing and demonstrating the Gibson Echoplex
looping device

29/1/2003 Henflings Firehouse Tavern, Ben Lomond, CA
with Andre LaFosse Rick Walker and Michael Manring

30/1/2003 Constable Jacks, Newcastle, CA
with Michael Manring, and Orbis (Mark Harmon and Mike Roe).

2/2/2003 Little Fox Theatre,Redwood City, CA
with Michael Manring and David Friesen

3/2/2003 Cafe Du Nord, San Francisco, CA
with David Friesen

4/2/2003 Instrumental Music, Santa Barbara, CA
Ashdown Amplification concert and clinic.

5/2/2003 Instrumental Music, Ventura, CA
Ashdown Amplification concert and clinic.

6/2/2003 College Of The Canyons, Castaic, CA
Not open to the public Bass Masterclass.

6/2/2003 Jim's Music Center, Irvine, CA
Ashdown Clinic 5:00pm

7/2/2003 Java N Jazz, Valencia, CA
solo bass night, with Todd Johnson

8/2/2003 Christ's Church of the Valley, San Dimas, CA
Churchbass seminar/masterclass


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welcome, bargain-hunter!
 
we are still using the ordinary and rather crappy footswitches with our expanded jam-men, but I may have to change this when I eventually get the bob sellon upgrade installed. this, if you don't know, is a non-lexicon software version (bob invented the thing, so it's ok...) that quite dramatically changes the behaviour and functionality of the jam-man. it still records in mono, but you can layer loops up and change their disposition across the stereo output. depending on y'r musical bent, you may also be interested in the ability to switch back and forth between loop and echo modes....
 
anyway, presumably now you've found the list, you'll be aware of a bunch of other stuff- links, files and the like.... there's plenty to read about on the jam-man, the edp, the repeater and the rest.
 
what kind of idiot let an expanded jam-man go for that price? you lucky dog.....
 
duncan/r.m.i.
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Hi there,
 
I'm new to the list, and just beginning to experiment with real time looping (just bought the JamMan (fully expanded) and Vortex for $US 160 all together, what a nice start into 2003...). I have two questions:
 
1. I was looking into the Oberheim/ Gibson Echoplex for a while. Despite it's numerous features, is the signal processing in/ out in mono?
2. What MIDI-Controllers are most suitable for the JamMan? I followed a threat where the Roland and Behringer devices were highly praised. The delay in transmitting the MIDI-Data seems to be a concern... What are you experiences with foot controllers for the JamMan?
 
Thanks,
 
Fabian


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welcome, bargain-hunter!


 


we are 
still using the ordinary and rather crappy footswitches with our expanded 
jam-men, but I may have to change this when I eventually get the bob sellon 
upgrade installed. this, if you don't know, is a non-lexicon software version 
(bob invented the thing, so it's ok...) that quite dramatically changes the 
behaviour and functionality of the jam-man. it still records in mono, but you 
can layer loops up and change their disposition across the stereo output. 
depending on y'r musical bent, you may also be interested in the ability to 
switch back and forth between loop and echo modes....


 


anyway, presumably now you've found the list, you'll be 
aware of a bunch of other stuff- links, files and the like.... there's plenty to 
read about on the jam-man, the edp, the repeater and the 
rest.


 


what 
kind of idiot let an expanded jam-man go for that price? you lucky 
dog.....


 


duncan/r.m.i.


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Hi 
there,


 


I'm new to the list, 
and just beginning to experiment with real time looping (just bought the JamMan 
(fully expanded) and Vortex for $US 160 all together, what a nice start 
into 2003...). I have two questions:


 


1. I was 
looking into the Oberheim/ Gibson Echoplex for a while. Despite it's 
numerous features, is the signal processing in/ out in mono?


2. What 
MIDI-Controllers are most suitable for the JamMan? I followed a threat where the 
Roland and Behringer devices were highly praised. The delay in transmitting the 
MIDI-Data seems to be a concern... What are you experiences with foot 
controllers for the JamMan?


 


Thanks,


 


Fabian








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I had previously notified the list of their impending sale but now they are
listed on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1287&item=936823119

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=936823128


Steve

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I really wish that I lived in America sometimes, apart from that stupid 
government of yours. Steve Lawson,  Andre LaFosse and Rick Walker playing 
the same gig! Loopfest!! Repeater and Jamman mods!!! What more could you 
ask for. Are there any loopers on the list from Australia?

At 12:11 AM 11/01/03, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'll be unsubbing from the list during my time in the US, so here's my full
>gig list (keep an eye on the website for any changes, or call the venues -
>details on my site)
>
>Hope to see lots of you at the gigs, especially the loopalicious shows with
>Andre and Rick - those are going to be a LOT of fun!
>
>take care, see you soon
>
>Steve
>www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.)
>www.stevelawson.net (the side-door)
>www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs)
>www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs, priced in USD!)
>www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises)
>
>
>16-19/1/2003 -  NAMM, Anaheim Convention Centre, CA
>
>17/1/2003 Winter NAMM Bass Bash, Anaheim, CA
>(Performances Steve Lawson, Michael Manring, Victor Bailey,
>Dave Pomeroy, Todd Johnson, Keith Horn, Mike Watt and
>Michael Dimin. Admission free)
>
>19/1/2003 - Rocco's, Hollywood, CA (TBC)
>with Michael Manring, Rick Walker and Andre LaFosse
>
>22/1/2003 Z-Pie, San Luis Obispo, CA
>with Andre LaFosse and Rick Walker
>
>23/1/2003 Gryphon Stringed Instruments, Palo Alto, CA
>Ashdown Amplification concert and clinic.
>
>24/1/2003 San Jose Museum Of Art, San Jose, CA
>with Andre LaFosse and Rick Walker
>
>25/1/2003 (daytime) Christian Guitarists Conference, Castro Valley, CA
>
>25/1/2003 (evening) Cayuga Vault, Santa Cruz, CA
>with Rick Walker, Andre LaFosse and Bill Walker
>
>26/1/2003 Bananas At Large, San Rafael, CA
>Andre LaFosse and Rick Walker playing and demonstrating the Gibson Echoplex
>looping device
>
>29/1/2003 Henflings Firehouse Tavern, Ben Lomond, CA
>with Andre LaFosse Rick Walker and Michael Manring
>
>30/1/2003 Constable Jacks, Newcastle, CA
>with Michael Manring, and Orbis (Mark Harmon and Mike Roe).
>
>2/2/2003 Little Fox Theatre,Redwood City, CA
>with Michael Manring and David Friesen
>
>3/2/2003 Cafe Du Nord, San Francisco, CA
>with David Friesen
>
>4/2/2003 Instrumental Music, Santa Barbara, CA
>Ashdown Amplification concert and clinic.
>
>5/2/2003 Instrumental Music, Ventura, CA
>Ashdown Amplification concert and clinic.
>
>6/2/2003 College Of The Canyons, Castaic, CA
>Not open to the public Bass Masterclass.
>
>6/2/2003 Jim's Music Center, Irvine, CA
>Ashdown Clinic 5:00pm
>
>7/2/2003 Java N Jazz, Valencia, CA
>solo bass night, with Todd Johnson
>
>8/2/2003 Christ's Church of the Valley, San Dimas, CA
>Churchbass seminar/masterclass


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> I really wish that I lived in America sometimes, apart from that stupid
> government of yours. Steve Lawson,  Andre LaFosse and Rick Walker playing
> the same gig! Loopfest!! Repeater and Jamman mods!!! What more could you
> ask for.

For people to show up when I play in NYC?


* David Beardsley
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>For people to show up when I play in NYC?

You need a drum machine and some underdressed girls!

Or lyrics!

"Microtonality is fun.
  Beat frequencies for everyone.
  Listen to the spaces between the pitches
  (And come to my shows, you sons of bitches!)"

     /t
-- 

http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday!
http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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Heheheheh,

Some years ago I used to know a family of the name "Looper"
in Ventura, California. They owned a small chain of restaurants
called "Loop's." I don't think it exists any more. They packed up
and moved away to Tennessee somewhere. They had a son named
Archie, about my age, who was somewhat of a friend/acquaintance.
I bought my first Macintosh computer from him in the mid '80s
at a parking lot liquidation sale when they were selling off the 
family business equipment just before the big move. I've not 
had contact with them ever since. I think they're in Murfeesborough
now. As I remember, the fellow DOES play guitar. I wonder if he ever
discovered looping? I'd bet he'd get a kick outta a web list being
called "Looper's Delight." It's funny that I never thought of them 
-- in all of this time -- in connection to this list.

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
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I want to send a big congratulations too. I think that's wonderful that you're
playing that much, and generating the kind of interest your are, especially in an
area not well known for musical innovation. I've heard some of your music from
your old mp3.com page, so I know what you're playing is very good. 

--- Douglas Baldwin  wrote:
>     I'll bet you're really playing well and keeping a strong focus on musical
> values that most listeners appreciate. I'd love to hear your comments/insights
> into your looping strategies, how you pace your sets, etc.

Ditto. Also comments about the types of places you book into would be interesting
too. 

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ritchford" 

> >For people to show up when I play in NYC?
> 
> You need a drum machine 

That's been done to death.


>and some underdressed girls!

Hmmm...neeked women dancing to my music. I'd like that.


> Or lyrics!
> 
> "Microtonality is fun.
>   Beat frequencies for everyone.
>   Listen to the spaces between the pitches
>   (And come to my shows, you sons of bitches!)"

Or write a Broadway musical......


* David Beardsley
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Woz,

In a message dated 1/10/03 7:06:55 AM, woz@phaesler.org writes:

>Are there any loopers on the list from Australia?

I'm not from there (not nearly) but my music has gotten 
airplay there from time to time on the following stations:

3D Radio 93.7FM Adelaide, Australia
RTR 92.1 FM Perth, Western Australia

Gosh, if they play mine then it must be assumed that they  
play others and some of those could also be Aussie locals.

If you don't get much response from this list you might
investigate these stations and see who among your
countrymen are doing loop (or other adventurous)
music. There's bound to be some.

Adios,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

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The price is decent-$599 with free shipping. Wonder if Alto Music will match 
the price/free shipping?

Regards, Paul

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--- paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote:
> The price is decent-$599 with free shipping. Wonder if Alto Music will match 
> the price/free shipping?

That's for the earlier EDP (presumably to blow out their old stock to make way
for the new ones), the new EDP-Pro is like $800. Ouch.

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At 04:26 PM 1/10/2003 +0000, paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote:
>The price is decent-$599 with free shipping. Wonder if Alto Music will match
>the price/free shipping?

I think that's on the older model with Loop III loaded.  The new blackface 
Pro+ is like $849 or thereabouts.

Which brings up a question I've been somewhat curious about.  Is there any 
obvious advantage to going with the Pro+ (other than Loop IV).  If the new 
software is the only difference, it looks as if it would be probably be 
cheaper to grab the older model at $599 and do the upgrade to Loop IV 
yourself.  Or are there other new features I'm missing?

         -c-

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Wow, guess that gives me no hope of selling a used EDP with Loop III for
$500 ...

I had purchased my second EDP from Alto in January 2001 for $650 (Loop III
and no footpedal)

What a rollercoaster ride for EDP prices in the last couple of years ...

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> The price is decent-$599 with free shipping. Wonder if Alto Music will
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>
> Regards, Paul

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this software update sounds quite interesting. i was thinking, if it was
possible to "place" loops in a stereo pan. where can i get that update
or have a closer look at the specs?
i am a guest at loopers delight for quite a long time, and decided to
look out for gear just recently. i don't know a lot of the actual loop
artist scene. but i want to change that, that's what i am here for. for
years i am listening to torn, i like the older frisell, love sylvians
"gone to earth", i like friths "guitar 4tets", parts of bowie etcetc...
and it seems there are quite a few more out there. so i realized that i
am listening  artists (most of them guitar oriented), that use the
instrument in a different way than the usual approach to structur their
compositions or just create different sounds and textures. all that is
very exciting to me.
 
about the bargain...i bought both devices on ebay. i guess the former
owner wasn't aware that they can go for much higher prices, because it
was the buy it now price, and i guess, i was the first one to read that
auction. so i immediately bought them. i know that was pure luck.
anyway. in general i'm not a huge fan of ebay, but that's another story.
 
fabian
 

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welcome, bargain-hunter!
 
we are still using the ordinary and rather crappy footswitches with our
expanded jam-men, but I may have to change this when I eventually get
the bob sellon upgrade installed. this, if you don't know, is a
non-lexicon software version (bob invented the thing, so it's ok...)
that quite dramatically changes the behaviour and functionality of the
jam-man. it still records in mono, but you can layer loops up and change
their disposition across the stereo output. depending on y'r musical
bent, you may also be interested in the ability to switch back and forth
between loop and echo modes....
 
anyway, presumably now you've found the list, you'll be aware of a bunch
of other stuff- links, files and the like.... there's plenty to read
about on the jam-man, the edp, the repeater and the rest.
 
what kind of idiot let an expanded jam-man go for that price? you lucky
dog.....
 
duncan/r.m.i.
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Sent: 09 January 2003 21:10
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Hi there,
 
I'm new to the list, and just beginning to experiment with real time
looping (just bought the JamMan (fully expanded) and Vortex for $US 160
all together, what a nice start into 2003...). I have two questions:
 
1. I was looking into the Oberheim/ Gibson Echoplex for a while. Despite
it's numerous features, is the signal processing in/ out in mono?
2. What MIDI-Controllers are most suitable for the JamMan? I followed a
threat where the Roland and Behringer devices were highly praised. The
delay in transmitting the MIDI-Data seems to be a concern... What are
you experiences with foot controllers for the JamMan?
 
Thanks,
 
Fabian



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2. =
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> > Or lyrics!
> >
> > "Microtonality is fun.
> >   Beat frequencies for everyone.
> >   Listen to the spaces between the pitches
> >   (And come to my shows, you sons of bitches!)"
>
> Or write a Broadway musical......

Maybe a rap/hiphop version of the above with naked dancers and you'll be on
MTV before you even know...
Obviously you should have a naked lolita/playmate kind of singer on top of
it all...

Peace
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1) mackie1402 pro vlz mixer-excellent mic pre's and condition-$350.00
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-$250.00each
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each
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=20
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=20
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each
=20
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each
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12)SKB 8 sp rack-$70.00
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13)skb 10sp rack-$75.00
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=20
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16)2 roland vs-880ex digital hard disk recorders with f/x card-$400.00 =
each
=20
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=20
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hd,cd,floppy,56k modem-$500.00
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=20
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=20
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=20
22)nady EO3 in ear monitor system-base and receiver,headphones-$100.00
=20
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=20
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=20
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37)DAL+ audio card for PC with a/d d/a card-ISA cards,$175.00
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38)Boomerang looping pedalboard-$300.00
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dtaaffe@indiana.edu ,buyers pays flat shipping fee of $10,20 or $30 =
depending on items.
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Denis
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1)=20
mackie1402 pro vlz mixer-excellent mic pre's and=20
condition-$350.00


 


2)4=20
marshall 1922 2x12 celestion loaded cabinets-mono,stereo=20
-$250.00each


 


3)3=20
digitech s200 multif/x processors-1 racmount sp, multi f/x,lcd =
display-$200=20
each


 


4)Peavey tubefex guitar preamp and processor-2 12ax7 tubes =
running at 250=20
volt,midi,stereo 1 rk space,f/x's$400.00


 


5)2=20
lexicon jamman with footswitch-1 rackspace looping processor-$300.0=20
each


 


6)rfc-1 midi mitigator pedalboard with exp pedal-$275.00=20



 


7)2=20
fender 15" PA cabinets with horn,high =
capacity-$250.00each


 


8)2=20
soundtech cabinets-15" w/horn-$200.00 each


 


9)Soundtech pl-200 power amp-1 rack space,200 wt=20
stereo,bridgeable-$200.00


 


10)2=20
peavey 50/50 stereo tube power amp's-all tueb 2 rack space-$250.00=20
each


 


11)2=20
furman pl-8/plplus power conditioners with light-1 rack space-$75=20
each


 


12)SKB=20
8 sp rack-$70.00


 


13)skb=20
10sp rack-$75.00


 


14)bbe=20
sonic maximizer 422 stereo-$65.00


 


15)Marshall jtm 30 1x12" 2ch. combo amp with =
footswitch-all=20
tube,reverb,f/x loop $385.00 


 


16)2=20
roland vs-880ex digital hard disk recorders with f/x card-$400.00=20
each


 


17)rocktron hush 2cx stereo noise reduction unit-$100=20
.00


 


18)IBM=20
thinkpad 390E laptop,Pentium II-300mhz,160mb ram,win98se,6gig =
hd,cd,floppy,56k=20
modem-$500.00


 


19)Gateway solo 2500 laptop,pentium II-266mhz,3.25gig hd,64mb=20
ram,win98se,cd,floppy,33.6kmodem-$375.00


 


20)crate 2ch. gx-40 solid state 1x12" combo practice=20
amp,reverb,bright,2input-$100.00


 


21)alesis studio one monitor pair and ra-100 2sp rackmount amp=20
-$325.00


 


22)nady EO3 in ear monitor system-base and=20
receiver,headphones-$100.00


 


23)alesis sr-16 drum machine-$100.00


 


24)zoom 123 drum machine-$100.00


 


25)2=20
sm57 beta mic's- not to be confuswed with standad sm57=20
mics$100.00each


 


26)fender lg-5 acoustic guitar-$125.00


 


27)rush guitar 6 string electric custom guitarseymour =
duncan=20
pickups,locking tuners-$250.00


 


28)Panasonic 4410 laser=20
printer-needs toner-$60.00


 


29)linear tech 3 rackmount space power amp-solid state,st 1/4" =
and rca=20
outputs-$175.00


 


30)2=20
Scholtz rockman stereo chorus 1/2 rack space untis-$75.00=20
each


 


31)fisher DVD player with remote-$75.00


 


32)RCA=20
hifi 4 head stero vcr-$50.00


 


33)4=20
peavey amp stands-work well with marshall cabinets listed above,heavy=20
duty-$50.00each


 


34)21"=20
svga PC monitor-$100.00


 


35)ADA=20
2x10" bass cabinet-full range or bass-$100.00


 


36)Toshiba 4030cdt laptop,pentiumII-300mhz,128mb ram,3ig hd,56k =

modem,cdrom,floppy-$450.00


 


37)DAL+ audio card for PC with a/d d/a card-ISA=20
cards,$175.00


 


38)Boomerang looping pedalboard-$300.00


 


Ok,=20
that it for now, must sell,moving asap,except only paypal to dtaaffe@indiana.edu ,buyers =
pays flat=20
shipping fee of $10,20 or $30 depending on items.


Thanks


Denis


 


denis=20
Taaffe


denis@dtguitar.com

http://www.dtguitar.com


 


 


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At 10:41 AM 1/10/2003 -0500, David Beardsley wrote:
>From: "Tom Ritchford" 
> > You need a drum machine
>
>That's been done to death.

Eh, if you really want to get into it, rock guitar has been done to death 
as well.  Yet you still find people who are able to pull out new and 
interesting angles working within that medium.

Generally, it ain't the tool; it's the carpenter.

I think the bigger question is do you want to give people something 
familiar which they can hold onto while you're doing your sonic 
explorations, or do you want to simply drag them out to the 
netherworlds?  Either approach is perfectly valid, but the greater the 
amount of critical listening/viewing you demand from your audience, the 
fewer number of individuals you find who are willing to put forth the 
effort to properly appreciate your show.

The above, of course, is entirely a statement on the audience rather than 
the music.  But, if you're breaking new ground and you want to increase 
your audience, you've either got to offer something in which a greater 
number of people are interested (dancing girls may be a nice start), or 
expand the tastes of the audience until what you're doing is more widely 
accepted (a much more arduous process).  So, in summary, either you move 
closer to the 'mainstream', or you move the 'mainstream' closer to you...

         -c-

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I was making a scarcastic remark to a question by woz:

>  What more could you ask for.

that he probably didn't expect anyone to respond to.

Comments below.

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> At 10:41 AM 1/10/2003 -0500, David Beardsley wrote:
> >From: "Tom Ritchford" 
> > > You need a drum machine
> >
> >That's been done to death.
>
> Eh, if you really want to get into it, rock guitar has been done to death
> as well.

Well there you go! That's one of the reasons I don't play
rock guitar in public.


>Yet you still find people who are able to pull out new and
> interesting angles working within that medium.

> Generally, it ain't the tool; it's the carpenter.

No kidding.

> I think the bigger question is do you want to give people something
> familiar which they can hold onto while you're doing your sonic
> explorations, or do you want to simply drag them out to the
> netherworlds?

Netherworlds. I don't even have to drag them!

>Either approach is perfectly valid, but the greater the
> amount of critical listening/viewing you demand from your audience, the
> fewer number of individuals you find who are willing to put forth the
> effort to properly appreciate your show.

> The above, of course, is entirely a statement on the audience rather than
> the music.  But, if you're breaking new ground and you want to increase
> your audience, you've either got to offer something in which a greater
> number of people are interested (dancing girls may be a nice start), or
> expand the tastes of the audience until what you're doing is more widely
> accepted (a much more arduous process).  So, in summary, either you move
> closer to the 'mainstream', or you move the 'mainstream' closer to you...

That ain't gonna happen. I think Tom Ritchford knows this and that's
why he's joking with me.

I was being scarcastic, and I end up getting a lecture. Realistically,
I do have an audience and I even got a amazing review from
the New Music critic at the Village Voice last Fall (see my web site).
When I finish my guitar CD, I'll be able to play  "mainstream" venues that
can
afford to advertise.

Anybody know a good studio in the NYC/NJ area with 20 bit ADAT,
a real nice microphone and preamps? The one I was using had very nice
equipment, but not enough experience or time.

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
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i am at a crossroad in my looping.  i am not sure what to do with my signal 
path and thought that someone could help.  my signal path is:

tcm guitar (synth)-gr300-volume (mono)-wah-fulldrive 2-rotoshpere-tube 
screamer-boss octave-whammy IV-line 6 delay (loop)-boomerang (loop)-dr z 
route 66-vht 4x10 cab.

this is very noisy and the synth sucks tone.  i am not opposed to using and 
echoplex and repeater along with rack mount tc electronics processors to get 
stuff off the floor.  the problem is how do i route and mix so that i can 
conceptually get the same effect that i am getting now but only cleaner.  i 
also would like to clock to a sequencer for our drummer.

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by the mackie mixer 1402pro vlz 14ch mixer for $350 and run your stuf into that willbe cleaner mixing things,
Denis

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i am at a crossroad in my looping.  i am not sure what to do with my signal 
path and thought that someone could help.  my signal path is:

tcm guitar (synth)-gr300-volume (mono)-wah-fulldrive 2-rotoshpere-tube 
screamer-boss octave-whammy IV-line 6 delay (loop)-boomerang (loop)-dr z 
route 66-vht 4x10 cab.

this is very noisy and the synth sucks tone.  i am not opposed to using and 
echoplex and repeater along with rack mount tc electronics processors to get 
stuff off the floor.  the problem is how do i route and mix so that i can 
conceptually get the same effect that i am getting now but only cleaner.  i 
also would like to clock to a sequencer for our drummer.

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matt wiley




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to clock to a sequencer buy the lexicon jaman I am selling for $300 as it syncs to midiclock when looping
Denis

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i am at a crossroad in my looping.  i am not sure what to do with my signal 
path and thought that someone could help.  my signal path is:

tcm guitar (synth)-gr300-volume (mono)-wah-fulldrive 2-rotoshpere-tube 
screamer-boss octave-whammy IV-line 6 delay (loop)-boomerang (loop)-dr z 
route 66-vht 4x10 cab.

this is very noisy and the synth sucks tone.  i am not opposed to using and 
echoplex and repeater along with rack mount tc electronics processors to get 
stuff off the floor.  the problem is how do i route and mix so that i can 
conceptually get the same effect that i am getting now but only cleaner.  i 
also would like to clock to a sequencer for our drummer.

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I am selling a mackie 1402provlz mixer by the way for 350.00 8-)
Denis
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by the mackie mixer 1402pro vlz 14ch mixer for $350 and run your stuf into that willbe cleaner mixing things,
Denis

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i am at a crossroad in my looping.  i am not sure what to do with my signal 
path and thought that someone could help.  my signal path is:

tcm guitar (synth)-gr300-volume (mono)-wah-fulldrive 2-rotoshpere-tube 
screamer-boss octave-whammy IV-line 6 delay (loop)-boomerang (loop)-dr z 
route 66-vht 4x10 cab.

this is very noisy and the synth sucks tone.  i am not opposed to using and 
echoplex and repeater along with rack mount tc electronics processors to get 
stuff off the floor.  the problem is how do i route and mix so that i can 
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also would like to clock to a sequencer for our drummer.

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>That ain't gonna happen. I think Tom Ritchford knows this and that's
>why he's joking with me.

Me, joke?  Me, sarcastic??

I *was* joking in fact.  Luckily, our society is sufficiently
wealthy that we can support worthy musicians like David who
would not otherwise make a living doing what they wanted to do
if they had to play for their supper each night!

    /t
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>this is very noisy and the synth sucks tone.  i am not opposed to using and 
>echoplex and repeater along with rack mount tc electronics processors to 
>get stuff off the floor.  the problem is how do i route and mix so that i 
>can conceptually get the same effect that i am getting now but only 
>cleaner.  i also would like to clock to a sequencer for our drummer.

I had a similar set up w/o synth and found it to be much too noisy as well. 
I searched and searched for a multi aux line mixer but need a minimal of 4, 
and there doesn't seem to be any available (although the discontinued 
Rocktron would be perfect). Many have suggested the ultralink pro from 
beringer, but I didn't think that this would work for me. I finally bought 
the Beringer 2642 mixer w/6 aux. It is perfect but just really heavy. I am 
trying to find a suitable rack (prob the gator console racks if I can get 
someone to tell how much they weigh). This has been my move to a rack 
system.

My signal is gtr-volume pedal-3 fx pedals- ch1 in the mixer. I use the aux 
sends from ch 1 for a Boomerang, EDP, Echo Pro, and soon for a multi unit. 
Each signal gets its own channel, and I can route and reroute the signal 
pre/post loops. Additionally I can use the channel inserts for volume pedals 
and forgo faders (I think). Its great since  I use two amps but don't have 
to dedicate any one channel to either left, right or both. It's taking me 
awhile to get used to. The problem is get good levels when changing the 
signal path.

Even though this works, I still would like a smaller mixer (8 channel, 4 
aux, line mixer). Alesis and Samson offer reasonably priced 2 aux units, but 
for $250, the beringer is tough to beat. My overall sound is much, much 
better. Night and Day.

Nick Schillace
In Door Park/O Death

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I agree.  One of your issues is probably trying to mix synth with guitar.  I don't know about the GR300, but I
don't let my GR30 mix my guitar signal with it's synth signal.  I send my synth (unprosessed) into a mixer, and
the guitar through a multieffects/tubepreamp and then into a mixer.  I still get some noise, but it's mostly due
to the fact that I'm not all that careful with chord placement and our apt is VERY noisy rf wise.  I think it
may be the fridge.  Computer monitors seem to contribute as well.  I'm moving and hoping the new place is a bit
better, as I'll be able to keep my stuff farther away from my computer.

Part of the problem is that it seems like your preamp is after a bunch of effects.  Probably OK when you're
going clean, but when you start using distorted channels you end up compressing your signal and all that gain
will give you lot's of noise.  When I'm not using the Digitech 2120 (tubepreamp/effects) I use a little Johnson
JT-50 which has a stereo effects send that's post preamp, so my distorted signal is hitting the effects which
helps.  Warning: Reverb after distortion usually sounds like crap.  Good luck.

Mark Sottilaro

"Taaffe, Denis G" wrote:

> by the mackie mixer 1402pro vlz 14ch mixer for $350 and run your stuf into that willbe cleaner mixing things,
> Denis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Wiley [mailto:matthewf5@hotmail.com]
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>
> i am at a crossroad in my looping.  i am not sure what to do with my signal
> path and thought that someone could help.  my signal path is:
>
> tcm guitar (synth)-gr300-volume (mono)-wah-fulldrive 2-rotoshpere-tube
> screamer-boss octave-whammy IV-line 6 delay (loop)-boomerang (loop)-dr z
> route 66-vht 4x10 cab.
>
> this is very noisy and the synth sucks tone.  i am not opposed to using and
> echoplex and repeater along with rack mount tc electronics processors to get
> stuff off the floor.  the problem is how do i route and mix so that i can
> conceptually get the same effect that i am getting now but only cleaner.  i
> also would like to clock to a sequencer for our drummer.
>
> help,
> matt wiley
>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ritchford" 

> >That ain't gonna happen. I think Tom Ritchford knows this and that's
> >why he's joking with me.
> 
> Me, joke?  Me, sarcastic??
> 
> I *was* joking in fact.  Luckily, our society is sufficiently
> wealthy that we can support worthy musicians like David who
> would not otherwise make a living doing what they wanted to do
> if they had to play for their supper each night!

LOL!


* David Beardsley
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I've just uploaded 3 recordings of a jam that I did with a saxophonist 
friend (Bastian Fiebig) on New Years Eve. It was recorded using an 
ambient mic and minidisc, thus the quality is not amazing. My amplifier 
was something that I pieced together from 30 year old hifi 
equipment....It was a private concert for 8 relatives of my girlfriend 
in an old, run-down country house in Burgandy. The cold and damp did 
not help my violin stay in tune.

Anyway - 6 string electric violin through DL4 & Tenor Sax. Lots of wine 
and champagne... completely improvised (the first time we ever played 
with each other). Its one of the only recordings that I have where I 
looped with another performer....

http://www.solostring.com/bastian.html

Enjoy :)
-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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  Warning: Reverb after distortion usually sounds like crap.  Good luck.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro


careful man-thats where i live :-)
stan

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strike that...
reverse it...

>... 
>...Reverb after distortion usually sounds like crap.  Good luck.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 

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pitch-shift that...
flange it...


> strike that...
> reverse it...
>
> >...
> >...Reverb after distortion usually sounds like crap.  Good luck.
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro
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 Atomic Mobius Machine will be playing live this Saturday night, Januaury
11th, from 8pm until 12am (pacific standard time) on Awesome Radio, an internet
radio station. Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as electronic Ambient
Trance music, and features myself and Dan Moore on various musical instruments
and electronic samplers. Dan uses an EDP and I fadiddle with Acid... For
more info and music samples, please click here...

http://musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine/

 So tune into AwesomeRadio.net at http://www.awesomeradio.net/ this Saturday
night at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a
shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp
(www.winamp.com) under Windows, Audion (http://www.panic.com/audion/index.html)
on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... The address is
66.250.50.18:8000 (or radio.awesomeradio.net:8000).

 Anyways, I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :)

peace
-cpr


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Hi gang,

I'm an excited, beginners mind, newbie to the wonderful 
EDP with Loop 4 software (you f*cking geniuses, Kim and Matthias!!)
and would love to know if there is an EDP users group like the excellent
Repeaters group that I am on at www.yahoogroups.com.

Anyone know?    I couldn't find anything through Yahoo (which doesn't mean
it doesnt' exist).

Whoa!!!!!!! what a cool instrument.   I'm really getting into
using retriggering, half-speed/double speed combinations
 with my hands on the footpedals instead of feet.
and using some very simple drumistic things to get some very cool effects.

The stuttering/granular stuff is incredible as is the ability to scroll
through 16 separate loops (that can all have separate lengths).


yours,  feeling like a kid again,  Rick Walker


 

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I've recently deleted my loopers mailbox, so I dont have the original 
thread here... but I remember someone talking about portable amps.

Check out http://www.audio-one.de/index.html - Its in German, but you 
should be able to navigate easy enough - and specs are specs in 
whatever language you read. The site has just gone online.

The company (Audio One) makes very high quality portable PA systems, 
that run off of their own internal rechargable lead batteries. My 
system comprises an 80Watt audio baby with a 40Watt Bass sub woofer. I 
get around 8 hours at full blast between recharges.

He makes to order, and can adapt anything to suit your needs. At the 
last MusikMesse, I saw a full setup, including two head units, two bass 
cabs and a mixing desk - all connected wirelessly, and all battery 
operated.

The sound is incredible. Better than what I managed with an AER 
top+bass, and the CD's that I play (on the built in player) sound 
better than my home hifi.

Check it out :)

BTW - The owner/maker/innovator speaks and understands English.

-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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> After Mark Sottilaro said:
>   Warning: Reverb after distortion usually sounds
> like crap.  Good luck.

--- Stan Card  wrote:
> careful man-thats where i live :-)

I'm kinda fond of putting a big reverb last in the
chain and playing the mix level; the 'verb can grab
the last sound that hits it (whether that's from a
loop or instrument) and smear it out, allowing me to
quickly change settings. Then when I bring the blend
back to non-'verbed, there's a different timbre (or
I've started a new loop while the reverb has carried
over for a bit.)

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At 02:04 PM 1/10/2003 -0500, David Beardsley wrote:

>I was being scarcastic, and I end up getting a lecture.

Well, keep in mind that we're on a public discussion forum.  I took that 
into consideration before I actually sent that last email.  I looked at the 
original two-line version I *was* going to send as that last post and 
immediately had two thoughts.  My first was, "boy, I sound like a frickin' 
troll"; and my second, "there's nothing here that anybody on the list could 
possibly use as a constructive talking point."

So I went back and rewrote it with the first part considerably toned 
down.  Then, I added some content that anybody else on the list could pick 
up on for comment, attempting to generate some sort of real 
discussion.  Thus, I made those comments in order that it might open the 
subject up into something which possibly could be of interest some of the 
other participants on the list.  If you interpreted that as a 'lecture', my 
apologies.

>Realistically, I do have an audience and I even got a amazing review from
>the New Music critic at the Village Voice last Fall (see my web site).

...And if you're the same David Beardsley I've run across previously, there 
are a couple of kickass psycho-rockabilly albums in there as well, 
correct?  (although, it's been fully two decades since I've seen those, so 
I could be a bit sketchy there)

>When I finish my guitar CD, I'll be able to play  "mainstream" venues that
>can afford to advertise.

So it sounds as if you've actually had some success in "dragging the 
mainstream toward you".  Any thoughts on what's worked well for you in that 
process, and what hasn't?

         -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
                                                 -recoil

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I've read all the suggestions for Steve to add
naked women to his set so it will go over better
and I think this is really sexist.

Instead, I propose naked middle-aged balding looper go-go boys
surrounding Steve..............perhaps with Goddess standing
behind them with a flogging whip, egging them on to
increasingly erotic gyrations as Steve hits particularly
exciting portions of his improvisations.

Whose with me?

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Rick Walker
ps please don't tell my wife or any of my friends about this suggestion,
thank you



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hi. i'm new to this list and it looks like a fun one. my act, Mad 
Happy use an MC 505, vocals and guitar.

Due to the rarity and expense of Smart Cards for backing up the 
MC-505, i'm opting to Bulk Dump to a MIDI file and am looking for 
hardware to hook up this old Mac PowerBook 1400 CS to MIDI.

Does anyone have an idea where would be good to look for old hardware 
that would be compatible? any recommendations on source for simple 
but good MIDI sequencing software (freeware?) for Mac?

thanks.


>  > So, regardin' looping; I'm curious, given that the EDP and Repeater both
>>   have a number of ways with which to switch from loop to loop, and even the
>>   Jam Man to a certain extent, how are people finding themselves doing this?,
>
>dramatic changes of time tempo and key
>when I can pull it off that is ;-(
>
>Also nice to first establish a loop theme,
>copy it (or a section of it ),
>break it down and/or take it elsewhere,
>and then return to it.
>
>
>andy butler

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Catilyne" 

> >Realistically, I do have an audience and I even got a amazing review from
> >the New Music critic at the Village Voice last Fall (see my web site).
>
> ...And if you're the same David Beardsley I've run across previously,
there
> are a couple of kickass psycho-rockabilly albums in there as well,
> correct?  (although, it's been fully two decades since I've seen those, so
> I could be a bit sketchy there)

Wasn't me! There sure seem to be a lot of musicans with my name,
I'd hate to have to be like Yngwe and start using a middle initial.

>
> >When I finish my guitar CD, I'll be able to play  "mainstream" venues
that
> >can afford to advertise.
>
> So it sounds as if you've actually had some success in "dragging the
> mainstream toward you".
> Any thoughts on what's worked well for you in that
> process, and what hasn't?

Network. Get to know your local important music critic. Send
him gig anouncements by email. Know the underground.


* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley


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I'm glad he does that - helps me keep all the Malmsteens straight...


At 07:11 PM 2003/01/10 -0500, David Beardsley wrote:

>Wasn't me! There sure seem to be a lot of musicans with my name,
>I'd hate to have to be like Yngwe and start using a middle initial.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Echevarria" 

> I'm glad he does that - helps me keep all the Malmsteens straight...
> 
> 
> At 07:11 PM 2003/01/10 -0500, David Beardsley wrote:
> 
> >Wasn't me! There sure seem to be a lot of musicans with my name,
> >I'd hate to have to be like Yngwe and start using a middle initial.

I was having problems too.

Back in the mid '80's when he first surfaced, there was a review in Cream
pointing out the exact same thing.


* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

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Hey,

I probably have an old ADB Midi interface that you can have _for FREE_ if you want
it... and that's not all.  If you act now, I'll through in a Cakewalk's Metro 4 (an
actual licensed version with manual)

you?  You pay for shipping.  Probably about 20 bucks after paypal and the postal
service has their way.  If you're in the SF bay area, you can come and get it.

Mark Sotitlaro

PS My act Sleeping uses a MC 307, vocals and guitar

Mike iLL wrote:

> hi. i'm new to this list and it looks like a fun one. my act, Mad
> Happy use an MC 505, vocals and guitar.
>
> Due to the rarity and expense of Smart Cards for backing up the
> MC-505, i'm opting to Bulk Dump to a MIDI file and am looking for
> hardware to hook up this old Mac PowerBook 1400 CS to MIDI.
>
> Does anyone have an idea where would be good to look for old hardware
> that would be compatible? any recommendations on source for simple
> but good MIDI sequencing software (freeware?) for Mac?
>
> thanks.
>
> >  > So, regardin' looping; I'm curious, given that the EDP and Repeater both
> >>   have a number of ways with which to switch from loop to loop, and even the
> >>   Jam Man to a certain extent, how are people finding themselves doing this?,
> >
> >dramatic changes of time tempo and key
> >when I can pull it off that is ;-(
> >
> >Also nice to first establish a loop theme,
> >copy it (or a section of it ),
> >break it down and/or take it elsewhere,
> >and then return to it.
> >
> >
> >andy butler

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Oh, right.  My bad.

Jim Palmer wrote:

> strike that...
> reverse it...
>
> >...
> >...Reverb after distortion usually sounds like crap.  Good luck.
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro
> >

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I though this was it.

Mark

"Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> I'm an excited, beginners mind, newbie to the wonderful
> EDP with Loop 4 software (you f*cking geniuses, Kim and Matthias!!)
> and would love to know if there is an EDP users group like the excellent
> Repeaters group that I am on at www.yahoogroups.com.
>
> Anyone know?    I couldn't find anything through Yahoo (which doesn't mean
> it doesnt' exist).
>
> Whoa!!!!!!! what a cool instrument.   I'm really getting into
> using retriggering, half-speed/double speed combinations
>  with my hands on the footpedals instead of feet.
> and using some very simple drumistic things to get some very cool effects.
>
> The stuttering/granular stuff is incredible as is the ability to scroll
> through 16 separate loops (that can all have separate lengths).
>
> yours,  feeling like a kid again,  Rick Walker
>
>

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BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL!  YEAH BABY!


----- Original Message -----
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>
> In case anyone is interested, the new Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus
> appears to be listed for sale at Musician's Friend, with an arrival date
of
> Jan 20. This new version has LoopIV built in, offering tons of new
> functionality over the old LoopIII version. But by far the most important
> new feature: it is black!
>
> kim
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>
>

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hey mark,

so fly. you're the man. we're out of new jersey, but are gonna be in 
S.F. area late Feb. Possible at Z-Pie on Feb 22nd or 24th. maybe you 
gys would be into being on the bill w/ us.

do y'all perform out around there?

here's my address:

Mike iLL
PO Box 622
Hoboken, NJ 07030

to what address can i send you a check and a CD?

mike
Mike iLL 

PS - i don't know if proper list-serve etiquitte is to send this to 
the whole list or not.


>Hey,
>
>I probably have an old ADB Midi interface that you can have _for 
>FREE_ if you want
>it... and that's not all.  If you act now, I'll through in a 
>Cakewalk's Metro 4 (an
>actual licensed version with manual)
>
>you?  You pay for shipping.  Probably about 20 bucks after paypal 
>and the postal
>service has their way.  If you're in the SF bay area, you can come and get it.
>
>Mark Sotitlaro
>
>PS My act Sleeping uses a MC 307, vocals and guitar
>
>Mike iLL wrote:
>
>>  hi. i'm new to this list and it looks like a fun one. my act, Mad
>>  Happy use an MC 505, vocals and guitar.
>>
>>  Due to the rarity and expense of Smart Cards for backing up the
>>  MC-505, i'm opting to Bulk Dump to a MIDI file and am looking for
>>  hardware to hook up this old Mac PowerBook 1400 CS to MIDI.
>>
>>  Does anyone have an idea where would be good to look for old hardware
>>  that would be compatible? any recommendations on source for simple
>>  but good MIDI sequencing software (freeware?) for Mac?
>>
>>  thanks.
>>
>>  >  > So, regardin' looping; I'm curious, given that the EDP and 
>>Repeater both
>>  >>   have a number of ways with which to switch from loop to loop, 
>>and even the
>>  >>   Jam Man to a certain extent, how are people finding 
>>themselves doing this?,
>>  >
>>  >dramatic changes of time tempo and key
>>  >when I can pull it off that is ;-(
>>  >
>>  >Also nice to first establish a loop theme,
>>  >copy it (or a section of it ),
>>  >break it down and/or take it elsewhere,
>>  >and then return to it.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >andy butler

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So I get this email from a friend of mine (from whom I had
previously borrowed his brother's Vortex), saying, "my brother
asked me to sell all his stuff, including the Vortex, so I
immediately thought of you" (this is the same guy from whom
I have previously purchased a Marshall half-stack).  

:-)

It took me a little longer than usual to type the reponse 
because I was so excited I kept missing the keys (or typing 
too many characters).

Anyway, after a reasonable price and a dinner, I am now the
proud owner of a Lexicon Vortex.  Sweet!  Came with power
supply and the two-stepper switcher pedal, but not the 
continuous one.  I can probably do a voltage conversion on an
existing one.  What's the deal with it?  Does it go from -5 to
+5 or something?  Never mind, I'll look it up...I just wanted
to announce that I am now a full-fledged looper.  A "real" one.
One of you guys, rather than just a wanna-be.

Alright, not really.  But I own a Vortex.
-- 
I remain,
:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk

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<>

Hey! I know a couple guys in Murfeesborough, TN!
They're on one of the other mailing lists I'm
subscribed to (or WAS subscribed to, I think the
server must have barfed again, because I haven't
been getting the digests lately). 

=====
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I was sent the CD "Transcollaboration" shortly after responding to
the Looplist notice (below) by James Sidio.  I've waited awhile before
posting  a review so I could give it a few honest listens.
I'll have to use some of the typical genre terms, but here goes:
Definitely atmospheric, moody, ambient...mostly dark....
I've been producing planetarium soundtracks for the Memphis Museum
for about 20 years, and I would have to say that many of the tracks
would make excellent backdrops to voyages to black holes and
colliding galaxies.  This is a complement.....
The collaboration seemed to work seemlessly....  I don't notice any
lack of cohesion between the musicians due to the oceanic division
between them.  (If you didn't know, this CD is a collaboration via
snail mail between Texas and England)  There are also some nice
melodic segments and  mildly industrial drumming which is cool.
A smooth listen....  you  can rest your head without worrying about
the next tune jarring you out of a nice meditative indulgence.
Hopefully this was the beginning of a beautiful friendship...
and more transcollaboration.....
gary
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Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote:
Howdy,

Re:Cooperation, a collaborative effort between David Cooper Orton and
myself is now available. I will mail out five free copies to the first
five
people who e-mail me from the Looper's Delight list.
All I want in return is a review/comment from these individuals (good
or bad). I will announce the individuals who will receive the cds on the

Looper's Delight . Re:Cooperation will also be available from:
www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com. Please feel free to contact me
with
any questions or comments.

Thanks, James Sidlo


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  There's an MC-505 user's group at  yahoo, which is called mc505.   -Note,
-no dash...     -best of luck...   

Smiles,

Cara, the Loopinatrix!  lol!   

At 07:38 PM 1/10/03 -0400, you wrote:
>hi. i'm new to this list and it looks like a fun one. my act, Mad 
>Happy use an MC 505, vocals and guitar.
>
>Due to the rarity and expense of Smart Cards for backing up the 
>MC-505, i'm opting to Bulk Dump to a MIDI file and am looking for 
>hardware to hook up this old Mac PowerBook 1400 CS to MIDI.
>
>Does anyone have an idea where would be good to look for old hardware 
>that would be compatible? any recommendations on source for simple 
>but good MIDI sequencing software (freeware?) for Mac?
>
>thanks.
>
>
>>  > So, regardin' looping; I'm curious, given that the EDP and Repeater both
>>>   have a number of ways with which to switch from loop to loop, and
even the
>>>   Jam Man to a certain extent, how are people finding themselves doing
this?,
>>
>>dramatic changes of time tempo and key
>>when I can pull it off that is ;-(
>>
>>Also nice to first establish a loop theme,
>>copy it (or a section of it ),
>>break it down and/or take it elsewhere,
>>and then return to it.
>>
>>
>>andy butler
>
>


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-Then, anything is possible..."  

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> Från: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] 

The stuttering/granular stuff is incredible as is the ability to scroll
through 16 separate loops (that can all have separate lengths).

Yeah, and separate tempi as well!!!!! :-D

Best wishes

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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #303                    January 9, 2003.

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star
in the spacemusic genre.  The Featured CD at midnight was "Deep Unknown" by
Brannan Lane and vidnaObmana on the brannanlane.com label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Mirage" by Klaus Schulze on the Island
label.

Brannan Lane   http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Klaus Schulze           1984                     Mirage (Island)
Palancar                Cydonia Mensae           Elysiun Planitia (Ampcast.com)
Re:Cooperation          Thing4                   Transatlantic Collaboration
                                                   (Uncle Buzz)
Mike Griffin and        Biometric                Imprint (Hypnos)
  Dave Fulton
Mark Jenkins            The Surge Cloud /        Sequencer Loops (AMP)
                          Pyroclasic Flow
VA [Henric]             Homicide 36              Sequences No, 27 (Sequences)
Brannan Lane            Unfamiliar Territory     Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)

12:00 am
Brannan Lane            Dark Decent              Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Points of Light 1        Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Points of Light 2        Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Deep Unknown 1           Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Deep Unknown 2           Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Deep Unknown 3           Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Brannan Lane.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "To Earth and Back" by Brannan Lane on the
Space for Music.com label.

The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Dig It" by Klaus Schulze on the
Brain label.

Bill
===============================================================================
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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
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> In case anyone is interested, the new Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus
> appears to be listed for sale at Musician's Friend, with an arrival date of
> Jan 20. This new version has LoopIV built in, offering tons of new
> functionality over the old LoopIII version. But by far the most important
> new feature: it is black!
>
> kim

It's been scientifically proven that
black equipment sounds better!

Cheers,
Scott M2

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott McGregor Moore" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:41 AM
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> > In case anyone is interested, the new Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus
> > appears to be listed for sale at Musician's Friend, with an arrival date
of
> > Jan 20. This new version has LoopIV built in, offering tons of new
> > functionality over the old LoopIII version. But by far the most
important
> > new feature: it is black!
> >
> > kim
>
> It's been scientifically proven that
> black equipment sounds better!

Gibson now enters it's own blackface era!


* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley




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this is a great thing.....i like the "frist one here gets the jello" aspect, 
also the built in review factor.....its about the music and not the 
equipment.....we have had only 2 reviews so far: marks and garys, 
correct?.....i love it!.....michael

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nice. thanks.



>   There's an MC-505 user's group at  yahoo, which is called mc505.   -Note,
>-no dash...     -best of luck...  
>
>Smiles,
>
>Cara, the Loopinatrix!  lol!  
>
>At 07:38 PM 1/10/03 -0400, you wrote:
>>hi. i'm new to this list and it looks like a fun one. my act, Mad
>>Happy use an MC 505, vocals and guitar.
>>
>>Due to the rarity and expense of Smart Cards for backing up the
>>MC-505, i'm opting to Bulk Dump to a MIDI file and am looking for
>>hardware to hook up this old Mac PowerBook 1400 CS to MIDI.
>>
>>Does anyone have an idea where would be good to look for old hardware
>>that would be compatible? any recommendations on source for simple
>>but good MIDI sequencing software (freeware?) for Mac?
>>
>>thanks.
>>
>>
>>>   > So, regardin' looping; I'm curious, given that the EDP and Repeater both
>>>>    have a number of ways with which to switch from loop to loop, and
>even the
>>>>    Jam Man to a certain extent, how are people finding themselves doing
>this?,
>>>
>>>dramatic changes of time tempo and key
>>>when I can pull it off that is ;-(
>>>
>>>Also nice to first establish a loop theme,
>>>copy it (or a section of it ),
>>>break it down and/or take it elsewhere,
>>>and then return to it.
>>>
>>>
>>>andy butler
>>
>>
>
>
>---
>
>   "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>-Then, anything is possible..." 
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
>Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. 
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe

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>> In case anyone is interested, the new Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus
>> appears to be listed for sale at Musician's Friend, with an arrival date of
>> Jan 20. This new version has LoopIV built in, offering tons of new
>> functionality over the old LoopIII version. But by far the most important
>> new feature: it is black!
>> 
>> kim
> 
> It's been scientifically proven that
> black equipment sounds better!
> 
> Cheers,
> Scott M2


as an owner of the black  created by matthiasgrob, i
totally agree...
stan

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Er, sorry, I managed to lost the link for that Dhafer Youssef page with the 
vid clips of him playing live. any1 mind pointing it out to me again?

thx,
jj

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what we need are interchangable faceplates...i'd love
an orange one...or maybe blue...

does this mean that the whiteface edps are collectible
now?

-jim

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I saved that.  It is good stuff:

http://www.radioceros.com/ondemandvideo/dhaferyoussef/dhafer.htm


Doug
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> Er, sorry, I managed to lost the link for that Dhafer Youssef page with
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> vid clips of him playing live. any1 mind pointing it out to me again?
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I can't *absolutely* predict that this week's artists will be using loopers
till I see the event - so, sorry if this is OT...

THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
  @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto
         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Tuesday Jan. 14th - Hypnotech 3 & |head|phone|over|tone|

Hamilton knobgazer/bedsit duo Hypnotech 3 return to the Ambient Ping
for another evening of "ambient pulsebeat". Expanding on their exploration
of dance-without-drums, they promise their set will "eerily resemble a
mid-70's Tangerine Dream soundtrack to a CIA-funded LSD mind control
experiment on astronaut Dave Bowman" - featuring take-offs of songs
from both their 2002 "In Tune with the True Distortion" CD and this year's
upcoming release, "Prescription Electronics Depth Charge".
http://www.mp3.com/hypnotech3

Joining them from Hamilton will be wall-of-sound artists
|head|phone|over|tone|, whose twin-guitar aural bliss-out evokes
comparisons with 90's post-shoegaze artists such as Windy & Carl,
Aarktica or Amp.    http://www.mp3.com/hpot

Between Sets CD - "The Throne Of Drones" by V/A (Sombient/Asphodel)
This is the 1st "ambient noir" collection from Sombient, in a series of
three, which the Ping will be featuring throughout 2003. Described as
"a nocturnal, less blissful approach to the "chill out" underworld", this
compilation features dark ambient luminaries such as Robert Rich,
Steve Roach, Jeff Greinke, Biosphere, vidna Obmana and others.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats
are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique.
Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday January 21st - MCF http://www.michaelkeith.com
(with loopers Michael Keith & David Sait)
Between Sets CD - "Collected Ambient & Textural Works 1977-1987"
by Michael Stearns (Fathom - 1996)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested
in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances




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It sure is! 

Anyone know what he's looping with? (I thought I saw a
DL4 on the floor in front of him, but I'm streaming on
a modem, so the green thing I saw may not have even
been a pedal!)

-t-

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Hi list--
Went to catch list member Tom's first set--spotted a Repeater in the top
space o' the rack and discerned jes' a leedle looping of the old Chapman
stick but he doesn't need much help sonically--really got the two handed
thing going.
Tragically I do not--I couldn't even fucking clap.  O well--just thot I'd
check in--Good night.
Gary


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 Greetings, I have been out of the loop for a while (ouch!) so I have'nt
kept up  with plans, if any, to gather at NAMM this year. I will be doing
some demoing at the  Seymour Duncan booth. Duncan is unvealing a new
product line of acoustic pickups and preamps designed in collaboration with
my former boss and dear freind,Rick Turner. I have a proto type in my Jeff
Traugott steel string and it sounds amazing. You can realy attact the thing
with out crapping out in the high end ,like most piezos systems do. I'll be
bringing a repeater and maybe a dl4, and hopefully ruffle a few purist's
feathers. Demo times are as follows:
Thursday at 12,1,and 3pm,
Friday at 12,
Sunday at,12,1,2,3,and 4 (I think the last demo will be for the janitors
and teamsters)
I'm off all day Saturday to make way for the name guys, like Lawrence
Juber, who I saw at the acoustic night at the Nashville NAMM show a couple
of summers ago. As Rick Turner likes to say, the guy is stupidly good. He
can string a Beatles medley together like nobody else. Also my freind
Willian Coulter will be playing as well, he is a fine neo celtic/classical
player, and will be playing some duets with Benjamin Verdery at the Muriel
Anderson Acoustic show as well. Please come buy and say hello and check out
the dog and pony show. If there are any of you rendezvousing any where, let
me know.
See you at the show
Bill Walker


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9/ Gregory:

Congratulations on your success so far, and I love your enthusiasm in
sharing it. I'm curious what kind of looping/ improv gigs you're getting
paid for? Is Montana a hotbed of interest in experimental music?


It's also cool to hear how you evolved into what you are doing, and I'd love
to hear more stories from others.

Here's my tale--

I'd been interested in being able to accompany myself and create a full
sonic palette with my bass since I first got an analog delay in the early
80's and started using the echoes as a form of accompaniment. I used to play
solo bass out in Harvard Square using the delay and a little Moose
battery-powered bass amp.

Being in a number of bands over the years but never quite managing to find
the right group of musicians to create what I heard and felt inside made me
want to be able to do it all myself, and do it live.

It was only about a year ago that I finally put together an assortment of
gear (EDP, DL4, Behringer mixer, volume pedals, a splitter, and a few
processing gadgets) that allowed me to create music that feels complete,
using only my bass and a drum machine. The first night I hooked everything
together and sent a signal through it, I literally had tears in my eyes-- it
was really the fulfillment of something I had envisioned for such a long
time, but not known how I would create.

It's great that you have been able to make some money doing improvisational
music. Here's how I've done in the past year (my first as a looping
performer), I've traded music for massage from a dancer/ massage therapist
with whom I'm collaborating on a piece, made a ton of contacts, had some
great times, met some incredible free improv musicians with whom I've had
the good fortune of playing, gotten a couple of free meals and nights of
free drinks, made a few bucks here and there, made 2 Yen doing music for an
indy film [plus the back end, of course (: ], gotten played on the radio,
gotten a little bit of press.  I'm finding a bit of a niche doing art
openings, and also want to do more sound design/ live audio- visual type
things. 


Anyway, I find it interesting to hear about your pathway, and again, it
would be cool to hear the same from other people on the list, so this is an
open invitation to tell about yourselves . . . . .



dan

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617-470-2087 








on 1/9/03 12:44 AM, Looping9string@aol.com at Looping9string@aol.com wrote:

I joined the loopers delight forum in late 2001...

While I worked for the Gibson Montana Acoustic guitar plant, I acquired a
pair of Gibson Echoplexes using my employee discount...

A few minutes ago I totaled up my LOOP performances, since I started looping
I have done 28 looping performances and currently have 10 more scheduled on
my calendar!

You always see guitarists around here doing the solo acoustic act singing
grateful dead covers (hey covers of covers)... I thought how could I play
solo as a bassist? I wanted to ALWAYS have the means of getting a gig, band
or not!

I was introduced to the echoplexes by Dave Pomeroy a bassist from Nashville.
I had briefly owned a boomerang before but really hated it since you could
not link it to anyone or anything else...

They say within a NICHE market you have to "create your own scene"... I came
on here and asked a few questions ... the answers seemed negative, but VERY
helpful... I got the vibe that most felt lucky to get a free coffee and the
opportunity to perform their "ART" ... at least according to the answers I
was given!

Well, I then set out on a mission! I now make more money inventing music
spur of the moment than I ever have playing the latest greatest most popular
covers, $2400.00 to date SO FAR w/ just looping gigs alone ... and the
kicker is that I have never left MONTANA of all places!

I have introduced several musicians here to the idea and am paving the way
for a scene...

I am proud of what I have done and thankful for the advice and suggestions
given in this community...

So here's to my 1 year looping anniversary, and here's to all of you!

MAN, I LOVE LOOPER'S DELIGHT!!!!!!

Thanks,
9:
the artist formerly know as:
Gregory Bruce Campbell

Listen up loopers who are MP3.COM artists:
Please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to:
looping9string@aol.com for:
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personal histories  [was: Re: CHEERS to 1 year!!!]


9/ Gregory:



Congratulations on your success so far, and I love your enthusiasm in shari=
ng it. I'm curious what kind of looping/ improv gigs you're getting paid for=
? Is Montana a hotbed of interest in experimental music? 





It's also cool to hear how you evolved into what you are doing, and I'd lov=
e to hear more stories from others. 



Here's my tale--



I'd been interested in being able to accompany myself and create a full son=
ic palette with my bass since I first got an analog delay in the early 80's =
and started using the echoes as a form of accompaniment. I used to play solo=
 bass out in Harvard Square using the delay and a little Moose battery-power=
ed bass amp.



Being in a number of bands over the years but never quite managing to find =
the right group of musicians to create what I heard and felt inside made me =
want to be able to do it all myself, and do it live. 



It was only about a year ago that I finally put together an assortment of g=
ear (EDP, DL4, Behringer mixer, volume pedals, a splitter, and a few process=
ing gadgets) that allowed me to create music that feels complete, using only=
 my bass and a drum machine. The first night I hooked everything together an=
d sent a signal through it, I literally had tears in my eyes-- it was really=
 the fulfillment of something I had envisioned for such a long time, but not=
 known how I would create.



It's great that you have been able to make some money doing improvisational=
 music. Here's how I've done in the past year (my first as a looping perform=
er), I've traded music for massage from a dancer/ massage therapist with who=
m I'm collaborating on a piece, made a ton of contacts, had some great times=
, met some incredible free improv musicians with whom I've had the good fort=
une of playing, gotten a couple of free meals and nights of free drinks, mad=
e a few bucks here and there, made 2 Yen doing music for an indy film [plus =
the back end, of course (: ], gotten played on the radio, gotten a little bi=
t of press.  I'm finding a bit of a niche doing art openings, and also =
want to do more sound design/ live audio- visual type things. 





Anyway, I find it interesting to hear about your pathway, and again, it wou=
ld be cool to hear the same from other people on the list, so this is an ope=
n invitation to tell about yourselves . . . . . 







dan



-- 

ghost 7/ Oranje

http://envelopeproductions.com

d.ans@verizon.net

617-470-2087 

















on 1/9/03 12:44 AM, Looping9string@aol.com at Looping9string@aol.com wrote:=





I joined the loopers delight forum in late 2001.=
.. 



While I worked for the Gibson Montana Acoustic guitar plant, I acquired a p=
air of Gibson Echoplexes using my employee discount...



A few minutes ago I totaled up my LOOP performances, since I started loopin=
g I have done 28 looping performances and currently have 10 more scheduled o=
n my calendar!



You always see guitarists around here doing the solo acoustic act singing g=
rateful dead covers (hey covers of covers)... I thought how could I play sol=
o as a bassist? I wanted to ALWAYS have the means of getting a gig, band or =
not!



I was introduced to the echoplexes by Dave Pomeroy a bassist from Nashville=
. I had briefly owned a boomerang before but really hated it since you could=
 not link it to anyone or anything else...



They say within a NICHE market you have to "create your own scene"=
;... I came on here and asked a few questions ... the answers seemed negativ=
e, but VERY helpful... I got the vibe that most felt lucky to get a free cof=
fee and the opportunity to perform their "ART" ... at least accord=
ing to the answers I was given!



Well, I then set out on a mission! I now make more money inventing music sp=
ur of the moment than I ever have playing the latest greatest most popular c=
overs, $2400.00 to date SO FAR w/ just looping gigs alone ... and the=
 kicker is that I have never left MONTANA of all places!



I have introduced several musicians here to the idea and am paving the way =
for a scene...



I am proud of what I have done and thankful for the advice and suggestions =
given in this community...



So here's to my 1 year looping anniversary, and here's to all of you!



MAN, I LOVE LOOPER'S DELIGHT!!!!!!



Thanks,

9:

the artist formerly know as:

Gregory Bruce Campbell



Listen up loopers who are MP3.COM artists: 

Please submit your artist name and first choice of your avail=
able works to: looping9string@aol.com for: http://stations.mp3s.com/s=
tations/283/loopersdelight.html 








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Hey guys, a bit of late minute preparation
but, unless anyone has quick and strenuous
objections to the time,

I'd like to propose that all loopers from 
LOOPERS DELIGHT meet at the ECHOPLEX EDP portion of 
the GIBSON booth on Saturday afternoon
at 2 p.m. and then let's go grab a quick bite of 
lunch somewhere (even if we just commandeer a  
table at the awful NAMM show cafeteria).

It would be cool to see how we've grown in our
presence at NAMM since last year (I suspect from the
amount of off list e-mails that this will be quite a 
bit).

I think it would be cool to have this be our first
annual LOOPERS DELIGHT NAMM Saturday lunch.

Everyone will have tons to do so we don't have to take
too long but it would be fun.

Anybody with me?  If so RSVP at GLOBAL@cruzio.com
off list.

yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)

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also wanted to chime in on the namm subject...

if anyone wants to, i'll be at the Native Instruments booth for most of the
show.  come on by and say hey!  i'll be doing performances different places,
but they're not really all that loop oriented.  anyway, i'd love to meet
some folks from the list.

i'll try to make it out to the loop lunch, but i may have a heavy
schedule...

paul



> -----Original Message-----
> From: William R. Walker, [mailto:chillyb@cruzio.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:57 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: OT: NAMM
>
>
>  Greetings, I have been out of the loop for a while (ouch!) so I have'nt
> kept up  with plans, if any, to gather at NAMM this year. I will be doing
> some demoing at the  Seymour Duncan booth. Duncan is unvealing a new
> product line of acoustic pickups and preamps designed in
> collaboration with
> my former boss and dear freind,Rick Turner. I have a proto type in my Jeff
> Traugott steel string and it sounds amazing. You can realy attact
> the thing
> with out crapping out in the high end ,like most piezos systems
> do. I'll be
> bringing a repeater and maybe a dl4, and hopefully ruffle a few purist's
> feathers. Demo times are as follows:
> Thursday at 12,1,and 3pm,
> Friday at 12,
> Sunday at,12,1,2,3,and 4 (I think the last demo will be for the janitors
> and teamsters)
> I'm off all day Saturday to make way for the name guys, like Lawrence
> Juber, who I saw at the acoustic night at the Nashville NAMM show a couple
> of summers ago. As Rick Turner likes to say, the guy is stupidly good. He
> can string a Beatles medley together like nobody else. Also my freind
> Willian Coulter will be playing as well, he is a fine neo celtic/classical
> player, and will be playing some duets with Benjamin Verdery at the Muriel
> Anderson Acoustic show as well. Please come buy and say hello and
> check out
> the dog and pony show. If there are any of you rendezvousing any
> where, let
> me know.
> See you at the show
> Bill Walker
>
>
>

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Rick,

I really HATE Saturdays at NAMM but I'll attempt to make it.
I'll just try to think of it as aversion therapy for my advanced
case of G.A.S. disorder. So count me in this time I guess. 
Heheheh. You have my cell # if there are any last minute 
changes.

Best,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

1/12/03 8:46:30 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:

>I'd like to propose that all loopers from LOOPERS 
>DELIGHT meet at the ECHOPLEX EDP portion  
>of the GIBSON booth on Saturday afternoon
>at 2 p.m. and then let's go grab a quick bite of 
>lunch somewhere (even if we just commandeer 
>a table at the awful NAMM show cafeteria).

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Excellent idea! everybody wear your Looper's Delight shirt!

But I suggest we pick a different location than the Gibson booth, since for 
years now their booth has been closed to regular show attendees and only 
their dealers are allowed in. Probably this year is the same. I recommend 
the Electro-Harmonix booth, since it usually only has a single display case 
and is otherwise totally empty.

kim

At 08:41 PM 1/12/2003, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>Hey guys, a bit of late minute preparation
>but, unless anyone has quick and strenuous
>objections to the time,
>
>I'd like to propose that all loopers from
>LOOPERS DELIGHT meet at the ECHOPLEX EDP portion of
>the GIBSON booth on Saturday afternoon
>at 2 p.m.

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com

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Greetings all!

Well, the very first Portland loopers gig has come and gone, and it was 
a mad success, far beyond what I had dreamed it would be. We had a great 
crowd (over 125!) and actually made some money to distribute to all of 
the people involved! We had ambience, noise, rock, jazz, funk, spoken 
word, experimental, folk, minimalism, etc. Basically, just about 
something of everything! Improvization seemed to be the common thread 
throughout. List members Neil Goldstein, Dave Trenkel and myself all 
performed along with several other local Portland loopers.

First up was Lecture, solo guitar and mic through a vintage tape 
echoplex (super-cool box!) into a vintage 4-10 tube amp. He generated 
beautiful/ugly lo-fi textures that were a perfect opening.

Next was Non-Polar, another solo artist, who used 2 JamMan's, a 
microphone and a mixer to create wonderful dark textures from a ride 
cymbal. Lots of bass frequencies. A unique way to play a cymbal. He also 
did some guitar fine looping.

Then Neil Goldstein took the stage with a Martin acoustic guitar, an EDP 
with Loop IV and a Vortex. He proceeded to demostrate his "stutter" loop 
technique, and other techniques that ranged from faux-California Guitar 
Trio sounds, to folk chord progressions, to squalls of noise.

My band, the Darsan Trio, played a fully (-1) improvised set, with 3 
DL4's used by the Guitar, Bass, and Drums/voice. We played giant dollops 
of rock/jazz/funk/noise and I improvised weird spoken word pieces 
throughout. We ended our set with a looped version of the Gymnopedie #1 
by Erik Satie. One person I talked to compared us to Massacre :-) Great fun!

My bassist colleque from the Divided (a pop band I'm in) then mesmerized 
us all as the Ascension Conspiracy with his ambient solo fretless bass 
skills, using a JamMan, ebow, and an old Art effects unit.

Last for the evening (and best) was Admiral Twinkle Devil (Dave Trenkel) 
and the Turntable Enabler. Dave had an absolutely HUGE assortment of 
devices that he ran an electric piano and Nomad keyboard through, 
including a Repeater and a JamMan. His turntable co-hort used a Repeater 
and other devices on the turntables, and definately played them as a 
musical instrument. VERY impressive. Now, not only did they have the 
mounds of gear (a full music store's worth it seemed) but they also 
brought an excellent sax player with them, who squalled and melodied his 
way through the textures with tenor and soprano saxes. A fine, fine 
closing act.

I'd like to again thank all the performers who played:

Lecture
Non-Polar
Neil Goldstein
my cohorts in the Darsan Trio
The Ascension Conspiracy
Admiral Twinkle Devil and the Turntable Enabler with special guest

I'd also like to thank:

The kind folks at the Jasmine Tree
Noah and Kate who helped me set up the show
Keith and Jaybird who handeled the PA board.

A special separate thanks to Kate as the Admin Goddess who helped me set 
up, and ran the door.

Jeremy of Lecture has kindly offered to set up the next show, and 
hopefully we will all be on our way to a monthly looping show!

Thanks!

D.G.
The Darsan Trio
The Divided

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At 10:31 PM -0800 1/12/03, Kim Flint wrote:
>Excellent idea! everybody wear your Looper's Delight shirt!
>
>But I suggest we pick a different location than the Gibson booth, since for years now their booth has been closed to regular show attendees and only their dealers are allowed in. Probably this year is the same. I recommend the Electro-Harmonix booth, since it usually only has a single display case and is otherwise totally empty.

Seconded. It is usually at the end of a hall and is the closest to something that can pass as quiet, at least in NAMM terms, as we are likely to find.

-C

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Plus, you can gang up on 'em regarding the re-release of the 16-second DDL!

fixated (and this week having passed up on the chance to buy one for $2k),

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

> I recommend the Electro-Harmonix booth, since it usually only has a single display case and is otherwise totally empty.

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O List,

Long time no pseudo-intellectual tirade!  Lucky you...

A couple of NAMM weekend gigs I'd like to remind you all of...

1) Rick Walker/Steve Lawson/Andre LaFosse Trio
Sunday, January 19 | 10:30 PM | $10.00 
Rocco's in Hollywood - http://www.roccoinla.com for address and directions

This will be the first show on our upcoming California tour, and we'll
be sharing the bill with Michael Manring.  It's a bit of a late start,
but this is the only show the trio will be doing within three hours of
Los Angeles, so locals should catch us while you can.  And as it's the
night of the final day of NAMM, it might make a cool way for some of the
list members who'll be at the convention to cap off the weekend.  

Steve, Rick, and I have never played together as a trio, so this'll be a
surprise to us all... particularly since Rick will be bringing both an
EDP and a full-on drum set, Steve has been experimenting with glitchy
FSU and a dual-Echoplex rig, and I'll probably be too freaked out at
being on a bill with Manring to play a single note.  

2) Steve Lawson solo set
Friday, January 17th | 8pm | Free admission
JT Schmid's Restaurant and Brewery
2610 E Katella Ave, Anaheim, CA, just two miles from the Anaheim
Convention Center  

A multi-bass-player's orgy, wherein Steve will be doing his solo
EDP-powered thing, much closer to the center of NAMM action.  Michael
Manring will also be playing, so check this show out if you can,
especially to see what these two fine players sound like without my
stepping on their toes two nights later.

I'll post a reminder for the Northern Cali trio dates before they
happen.  And a new 75-minute album of the most advanced Echoplex playing
I've ever done is currently crawling into rough mix territory; a preview
of that will be coming very soon.

The beatings will continue until the morale improves,

--Andre LaFosse
The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP

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Lads (and ladies),

A quick addendum,

> 1) Rick Walker/Steve Lawson/Andre LaFosse Trio
> Sunday, January 19
> Rocco's in Hollywood - http://www.roccoinla.com for address and directions

This gig will start at 10:00 PM, not 10:30 as I (erroneously) mentioned previously...

IMI-IBI gig time addendums run rampant in 2003,

--Andre LaFosse
http://www.altruistmusic.com

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from a review of "Stretched Landscape #1" in German Keyboards magazine:

"Did it happen by chance that Michael Peters - after his comparatively
accessible 'Escape Veloopity' album - moved from metropolis Cologne to the
nearby village of Kuerten, close to where visionary Karlheinz Stockhausen
resides? Just as the works of the grand master of academic electronic music
become more and more erratic, so do Michael Peters' compositions. Primarily
a guitarist, Peters uses piano sounds, treated with granular synthesis, to
create a one hour track of images from an imaginary deserted landscape,
rolled over by dark waves of sound, and inhabited only by chirping cicadas.
Not even Brian Eno has dared to venture this deep into dark ambient realms.
This is late night cinema for headphone owners."

http://www.burningshed.com


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sounds fantastic.....would loved to have been there.....michael

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Mr. Goat

I would have loved to have been there too! But I'm in the midst of 
my usual pre-NAMM crunch. One more ad to get to a magazine 
before I have to skeedaddle south. Sounds like a great bunch. 
I've been enjoying Dave Trenkle's CDs for years now. I keep meaning
to catch him live (rats, another chance missed). Sorry to have 
missed another great gig. Sounds right up my alley too.

Best,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
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In a message dated 1/12/03 10:36:10 PM, dgoat@quik.com writes:

>Well, the very first Portland loopers gig has come and gone, and it was
>a mad success, far beyond what I had dreamed it would be. We had a great
>crowd (over 125!) and actually made some money to distribute to all of
>the people involved! We had ambience, noise, rock, jazz, funk, spoken 
>word, experimental, folk, minimalism, etc. Basically, just about 
>something of everything!


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As a classically-trained musician, I'd like to say a few words in the
name of music.

Many of the acts at the Portland Loopfest were more "performance art".
Hearing wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses of sound, including
unintentional (?) feedback, screaming, and cursing, was overpowering.  

Call me a purist, but the technology should be used to augment a
performer's skill in their instrument of choice.  Most of the time, what
I heard was "look-what-I-can-do-with-this-cool-piece-of-gear".  They
probably had chops, but the opaque veil of technology had descended on
their performances, covering up their true musical talents.  

(To be fair, I did not hear Admiral Twinkle Devil.)

Let's use this amazing technology to create things that are articulate
and wonderful.  
 


-----Original Message-----
From: dgoat [mailto:dgoat@quik.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:36 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Gig Report: Portland LoopFest A-Go-Go

Greetings all!

Well, the very first Portland loopers gig has come and gone, and it was 
a mad success, far beyond what I had dreamed it would be. We had a great

crowd (over 125!) and actually made some money to distribute to all of 
the people involved! We had ambience, noise, rock, jazz, funk, spoken 
word, experimental, folk, minimalism, etc. Basically, just about 
something of everything! Improvization seemed to be the common thread 
throughout. List members Neil Goldstein, Dave Trenkel and myself all 
performed along with several other local Portland loopers.

First up was Lecture, solo guitar and mic through a vintage tape 
echoplex (super-cool box!) into a vintage 4-10 tube amp. He generated 
beautiful/ugly lo-fi textures that were a perfect opening.

Next was Non-Polar, another solo artist, who used 2 JamMan's, a 
microphone and a mixer to create wonderful dark textures from a ride 
cymbal. Lots of bass frequencies. A unique way to play a cymbal. He also

did some guitar fine looping.

Then Neil Goldstein took the stage with a Martin acoustic guitar, an EDP

with Loop IV and a Vortex. He proceeded to demostrate his "stutter" loop

technique, and other techniques that ranged from faux-California Guitar 
Trio sounds, to folk chord progressions, to squalls of noise.

My band, the Darsan Trio, played a fully (-1) improvised set, with 3 
DL4's used by the Guitar, Bass, and Drums/voice. We played giant dollops

of rock/jazz/funk/noise and I improvised weird spoken word pieces 
throughout. We ended our set with a looped version of the Gymnopedie #1 
by Erik Satie. One person I talked to compared us to Massacre :-) Great
fun!

My bassist colleque from the Divided (a pop band I'm in) then mesmerized

us all as the Ascension Conspiracy with his ambient solo fretless bass 
skills, using a JamMan, ebow, and an old Art effects unit.

Last for the evening (and best) was Admiral Twinkle Devil (Dave Trenkel)

and the Turntable Enabler. Dave had an absolutely HUGE assortment of 
devices that he ran an electric piano and Nomad keyboard through, 
including a Repeater and a JamMan. His turntable co-hort used a Repeater

and other devices on the turntables, and definately played them as a 
musical instrument. VERY impressive. Now, not only did they have the 
mounds of gear (a full music store's worth it seemed) but they also 
brought an excellent sax player with them, who squalled and melodied his

way through the textures with tenor and soprano saxes. A fine, fine 
closing act.

I'd like to again thank all the performers who played:

Lecture
Non-Polar
Neil Goldstein
my cohorts in the Darsan Trio
The Ascension Conspiracy
Admiral Twinkle Devil and the Turntable Enabler with special guest

I'd also like to thank:

The kind folks at the Jasmine Tree
Noah and Kate who helped me set up the show
Keith and Jaybird who handeled the PA board.

A special separate thanks to Kate as the Admin Goddess who helped me set

up, and ran the door.

Jeremy of Lecture has kindly offered to set up the next show, and 
hopefully we will all be on our way to a monthly looping show!

Thanks!

D.G.
The Darsan Trio
The Divided

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>
>

>Call me a purist, but the technology should be used to augment a
>performer's skill in their instrument of choice.  Most of the time, what
>I heard was "look-what-I-can-do-with-this-cool-piece-of-gear".  They
>probably had chops, but the opaque veil of technology had descended on
>their performances, covering up their true musical talents.  
>
looping is always an interaction between musicians and "cool-piece-of-gear"

>
>
>Let's use this amazing technology to create things that are articulate
>and wonderful.
>

... articulate??? sounds like a well educated, classically-trained 
musician ... HOW BORING ...

salve, realjesus
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**Hey kids, there's art and there's entertainment.
I must say, however, that articulate beats the knickers off . . . . not
articulate.
Lefty

>
>

>Call me a purist, but the technology should be used to augment a
>performer's skill in their instrument of choice.  Most of the time, what
>I heard was "look-what-I-can-do-with-this-cool-piece-of-gear".  They
>probably had chops, but the opaque veil of technology had descended on
>their performances, covering up their true musical talents.
>
looping is always an interaction between musicians and "cool-piece-of-gear"

>
>
>Let's use this amazing technology to create things that are articulate
>and wonderful.
>

... articulate??? sounds like a well educated, classically-trained
musician ... HOW BORING ...

salve, realjesus
www.colectivo.ch




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  Ah, getting the start times wrong now are we?   hmmm?   
do we need the discipline to continue?...    lollollol!  
  -or shall we just subject the audience to it on the 23rd?!!!   lol!
-Insane pyrotechnic guitar glitchomatic madness coming to an unsuspecting
art gallery near you!!!  lol!  -Ya know, we're just two bassists short of a
double trio!   lol!         

Smiles,

Cara

At 11:57 PM 1/12/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Lads (and ladies),
>
>A quick addendum,
>
>> 1) Rick Walker/Steve Lawson/Andre LaFosse Trio
>> Sunday, January 19
>> Rocco's in Hollywood - http://www.roccoinla.com for address and directions
>
>This gig will start at 10:00 PM, not 10:30 as I (erroneously) mentioned
previously...
>
>IMI-IBI gig time addendums run rampant in 2003,
>
>--Andre LaFosse
>http://www.altruistmusic.com
>
>


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Thanks for putting this on goatman! Had a great time and enjoyed the
whole show a lot (esp yours and Dave's sets). Great crowd and vibe, way
beyond expectation. Brief 'subjective' report follows:

This was my 1st loop performance and 1st time playing live in 7 yrs or
so. I decided to limit myself to acoustic gtr and EDP, and as an
afterthought, and to stereoize the EDP output, added a Vortex to the EDP
output. 

The biggest challenge was getting comfortable with my PMC-10 patch sets
and EDP IV (presets) programmed with a couple patch sets appropriate for
a solo non-midi-synced set. I must say that every PMC patch set for EDP
IV control re-contextualizes the EDP. The new dedicated midi commands
pack a lot of possibility...In the heat of the performance I ended up
doing one loop at a time and doing lots of Unrounded Multiplies, short
attention span looping rather than ambient. Without syncing to a clock
or rhythm, I preferred SUS Record rather than toggle, for getting
tighter timing.

Hitting the intended pedals in time, and not accidentally hitting the
wrong one, was the name of the game. The best shoes I could find for the
'dance' were my mountain bike shoes, but still managed to hit a couple
of wrong ones. I also included unintended speaker feedback, though my
tastes run more to the pastoral than noise squalls. 

I ended every piece with one of my favorite techniques: doing shorter
and shorter Unrounded Multiplies with EDP feedback just short of 127
until sound fades to silence. 

The EDP is so intense, and no question it is an instrument in its own
right. 


Neil

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Neil, were you the guy who played the Martin?  You had some cool stuff
going on!

What kind of pickup do you use on your guitar?  Is it a condenser/ piezo
crossover?



-----Original Message-----
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Thanks for putting this on goatman! Had a great time and enjoyed the
whole show a lot (esp yours and Dave's sets). Great crowd and vibe, way
beyond expectation. Brief 'subjective' report follows:

This was my 1st loop performance and 1st time playing live in 7 yrs or
so. I decided to limit myself to acoustic gtr and EDP, and as an
afterthought, and to stereoize the EDP output, added a Vortex to the EDP
output. 

The biggest challenge was getting comfortable with my PMC-10 patch sets
and EDP IV (presets) programmed with a couple patch sets appropriate for
a solo non-midi-synced set. I must say that every PMC patch set for EDP
IV control re-contextualizes the EDP. The new dedicated midi commands
pack a lot of possibility...In the heat of the performance I ended up
doing one loop at a time and doing lots of Unrounded Multiplies, short
attention span looping rather than ambient. Without syncing to a clock
or rhythm, I preferred SUS Record rather than toggle, for getting
tighter timing.

Hitting the intended pedals in time, and not accidentally hitting the
wrong one, was the name of the game. The best shoes I could find for the
'dance' were my mountain bike shoes, but still managed to hit a couple
of wrong ones. I also included unintended speaker feedback, though my
tastes run more to the pastoral than noise squalls. 

I ended every piece with one of my favorite techniques: doing shorter
and shorter Unrounded Multiplies with EDP feedback just short of 127
until sound fades to silence. 

The EDP is so intense, and no question it is an instrument in its own
right. 


Neil

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> As a classically-trained musician, I'd like to say a few words in the
> name of music.
>
> Many of the acts at the Portland Loopfest were more "performance art".
> Hearing wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses of sound, including
> unintentional (?) feedback, screaming, and cursing, was overpowering.
>
> Call me a purist, but the technology should be used to augment a
> performer's skill in their instrument of choice.

Okay, you're a purist. :)

> Most of the time, what
> I heard was "look-what-I-can-do-with-this-cool-piece-of-gear".  They
> probably had chops, but the opaque veil of technology had descended on
> their performances, covering up their true musical talents.

In what respect?  Obviously the musicians you refer to didn't say that, but
how did this translate out to such a statement?

> (To be fair, I did not hear Admiral Twinkle Devil.)
>
> Let's use this amazing technology to create things that are articulate
> and wonderful.

Ah, yes, but the question then would be whose version of "articulate and
wonderful" you're talking about.  Then again I tend to prefer
"thought-provoking and non-conformist".  I hated the hell out of a DNA
performance, and said so here last year -- but the first thing I wanted to
do when I got home from the show was play guitar.  In terms of ones'
expectations of music in this regard, I've found that more often than not
that preconceived notions can be far more opaque than hardware, and far more
limiting content-wise.

If the question then is "Captain Beefheart or Bach?", I'd tend to say that
such is not a question at all, but a statement of personal taste -- that is,
when one reveals what one DOES like.

So, what do YOU like?

S.P. Goodman
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I KNEW I shouldn't have said that I was classically-trained!  That puts
everybody on the defensive.

My preferences are very wide, from the most conservative of
conservatives, to somewhere short of metal and punk.  Thinking globally
here, music is an outgrowth of one's culture, so I believe there is no
bad style of music insofar as there is no bad culture.  

But, in the words of Duke Ellington, "If it sounds good, it is good."
The technology should not take away from music, but add to it.  If you
get the two reversed, it doesn't sound good.

Yes, it's an endless philosophical discussion.

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> As a classically-trained musician, I'd like to say a few words in the
> name of music.
>
> Many of the acts at the Portland Loopfest were more "performance art".
> Hearing wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses of sound,
including
> unintentional (?) feedback, screaming, and cursing, was overpowering.
>
> Call me a purist, but the technology should be used to augment a
> performer's skill in their instrument of choice.

Okay, you're a purist. :)

> Most of the time, what
> I heard was "look-what-I-can-do-with-this-cool-piece-of-gear".  They
> probably had chops, but the opaque veil of technology had descended on
> their performances, covering up their true musical talents.

In what respect?  Obviously the musicians you refer to didn't say that,
but
how did this translate out to such a statement?

> (To be fair, I did not hear Admiral Twinkle Devil.)
>
> Let's use this amazing technology to create things that are articulate
> and wonderful.

Ah, yes, but the question then would be whose version of "articulate and
wonderful" you're talking about.  Then again I tend to prefer
"thought-provoking and non-conformist".  I hated the hell out of a DNA
performance, and said so here last year -- but the first thing I wanted
to
do when I got home from the show was play guitar.  In terms of ones'
expectations of music in this regard, I've found that more often than
not
that preconceived notions can be far more opaque than hardware, and far
more
limiting content-wise.

If the question then is "Captain Beefheart or Bach?", I'd tend to say
that
such is not a question at all, but a statement of personal taste -- that
is,
when one reveals what one DOES like.

So, what do YOU like?

S.P. Goodman
EarthLight Productions
*
http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations!
http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine!

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Nah, Mon,

I'm not on the defensive.  It isn't the expression of "classically-trained"
at times, but the attempted impression based upon same that puts me in such
a state. :)  I came to terms with my non-perochial a-conformist tendency to
learn anyway some time ago.

I don't believe however that technology should "add" to my music, instead
that it be as transparent as possible to my hoped-for/intended result
(depending on whether I'm composing or just playing of course).  You're not
off-kilter in expressing such an idea -- At times I find myself hearing the
most awful stuff in the universe courtesy of the gym I go to, horrible 4/4
banging stuff with singers' voices corrected so obviously you wonder if the
people composing it (if that's the correct term) are "musicians", or
"technologists" (he said, carefully avoiding the word "engineers").

S.

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> I KNEW I shouldn't have said that I was classically-trained!  That puts
> everybody on the defensive.
>
> My preferences are very wide, from the most conservative of
> conservatives, to somewhere short of metal and punk.  Thinking globally
> here, music is an outgrowth of one's culture, so I believe there is no
> bad style of music insofar as there is no bad culture.
>
> But, in the words of Duke Ellington, "If it sounds good, it is good."
> The technology should not take away from music, but add to it.  If you
> get the two reversed, it doesn't sound good.
>
> Yes, it's an endless philosophical discussion.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:17 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Or, the occasionally opaque veil of opinion
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Bolan" 
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 16:37:PM
> Subject: Loopfest - the opaque veil of technology
>
>
> > As a classically-trained musician, I'd like to say a few words in the
> > name of music.
> >
> > Many of the acts at the Portland Loopfest were more "performance art".
> > Hearing wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses of sound,
> including
> > unintentional (?) feedback, screaming, and cursing, was overpowering.
> >
> > Call me a purist, but the technology should be used to augment a
> > performer's skill in their instrument of choice.
>
> Okay, you're a purist. :)
>
> > Most of the time, what
> > I heard was "look-what-I-can-do-with-this-cool-piece-of-gear".  They
> > probably had chops, but the opaque veil of technology had descended on
> > their performances, covering up their true musical talents.
>
> In what respect?  Obviously the musicians you refer to didn't say that,
> but
> how did this translate out to such a statement?
>
> > (To be fair, I did not hear Admiral Twinkle Devil.)
> >
> > Let's use this amazing technology to create things that are articulate
> > and wonderful.
>
> Ah, yes, but the question then would be whose version of "articulate and
> wonderful" you're talking about.  Then again I tend to prefer
> "thought-provoking and non-conformist".  I hated the hell out of a DNA
> performance, and said so here last year -- but the first thing I wanted
> to
> do when I got home from the show was play guitar.  In terms of ones'
> expectations of music in this regard, I've found that more often than
> not
> that preconceived notions can be far more opaque than hardware, and far
> more
> limiting content-wise.
>
> If the question then is "Captain Beefheart or Bach?", I'd tend to say
> that
> such is not a question at all, but a statement of personal taste -- that
> is,
> when one reveals what one DOES like.
>
> So, what do YOU like?
>
> S.P. Goodman
> EarthLight Productions
> *
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> http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine!
>
>
>
>
>

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Not talking about the portland loopfest (or any other loop shows I've seen)
I'd like to say that I'm not really sure what you mean by "Transparent
technology."  Unless you're singing in an open field, you are using some sort
of technology.  Some technologies are more "mature" than others, in the sense
that they do what they're meant to do well, and are understood and utilized by
artists to achieve their goals.  This can be a gray area for sure.  Some art
is about how technology works and effects us.  It is it's own point and can be
annoying, as the technology can be.

In the scope of world history what we're doing is *really* new.  There will be
bumps in the road.  I remember listening to Adrian Belew's "Desire Caught By
The Tail" and thinking, "Adrian's got a new Guitar Synth and he wanked around
with it and made an album."  All but a few tracks seemed thin in the content
world... unless you think of them as an album about the GR-300.  (not sure if
this was the model, but you know...)  Later I read an interview where Adrian
basically confirms what I'm saying, so there you have it.

But he stuck with the Guitar Synth and quickly learned how to *use* it,
instead of showcasing it's features.  This is difficult.  A lot of gear can be
overwhelming.  One must work in a sensitive way and all the time LISTEN.  I
played at Mat's Switch Show and what I found interesting is that some of the
best stuff seemed to happen when musicians were all of the sudden thrust with
new people using different instruments.  I think it was because that's when
people really started listening to each other.  This is something we all have
to strive for, and believe me, I know I can be guilty of getting lost in what
I'm doing.  This is especially bad when you're shooting for purely improvised
music, and double plus bad if it's experimental.  There's a difference between
playing "noise" and making noise.  Many are not sensitive to this difference.
Many listeners are not sensitive to the difference either, and this often can
lead to bad reviews of great shows.  (I have no way of knowing if this is the
case in Portland)  Sometimes however, people are just wanking, and that's kind
of OK too if that's what they like to do and they can find people who like to
listen to wanking.

Oh well, I'm just rambling now.

Mark Sottilaro

"S.P. Goodman" wrote:

> I don't believe however that technology should "add" to my music, instead
> that it be as transparent as possible to my hoped-for/intended result

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> Not talking about the portland loopfest (or any other loop shows I've
seen)
> I'd like to say that I'm not really sure what you mean by "Transparent
> technology."

>From my viewpoint it is often most desireable to produce the work without
making the slightest accommodation for the technology it is produced
THROUGH.  My acquisition of looping technology was something I wanted to do
in order to achieve a result thought about many years before I could afford
to buy any of it.  I'll be the first to say I don't exploit the features of
my equipment fully.  The Loop Is then a construct that existed before the
equipment was purchased to produce it.  The only real variables I like to
contend with are loop length when it comes down to it, and the main
irritations I encounter occur when I want to sync up to utilize drums
somehow.  I have enough backlogged music to do to not have to address such
items, so for now it's not an issue.

Transparency is not non-existence, rather non-interference.  In the same
manner I find that it is by playing music that my soul is able to sing, and
in so doing I become transparent, unaffected, honest with the work.

> In the scope of world history what we're doing is *really* new.  There
will be
> bumps in the road.  I remember listening to Adrian Belew's "Desire Caught
By
> The Tail" and thinking, "Adrian's got a new Guitar Synth and he wanked
around
> with it and made an album."  All but a few tracks seemed thin in the
content
> world... unless you think of them as an album about the GR-300.  (not sure
if
> this was the model, but you know...)  Later I read an interview where
Adrian
> basically confirms what I'm saying, so there you have it.

I think I remember reading something from that here actually.  I agree with
the idea, and do my best to not become ensnared in such situations.  Lord
knows when you can afford to buy items like the GR300 etc., it's inevitable
that such an effect upon playing will occur.  I would then wonder if
planning such a purchase for several years has the opposite effect, ie the
reverse of You Can't Always Get What You Want.  Sometimes You Can, eh?

> But he stuck with the Guitar Synth and quickly learned how to *use* it,
> instead of showcasing it's features.  This is difficult.  A lot of gear
can be
> overwhelming.  One must work in a sensitive way and all the time LISTEN.
I
> played at Mat's Switch Show and what I found interesting is that some of
the
> best stuff seemed to happen when musicians were all of the sudden thrust
with
> new people using different instruments.  I think it was because that's
when
> people really started listening to each other.  This is something we all
have
> to strive for, and believe me, I know I can be guilty of getting lost in
what
> I'm doing.  This is especially bad when you're shooting for purely
improvised
> music, and double plus bad if it's experimental.  There's a difference
between
> playing "noise" and making noise.  Many are not sensitive to this
difference.
> Many listeners are not sensitive to the difference either, and this often
can
> lead to bad reviews of great shows.  (I have no way of knowing if this is
the
> case in Portland)  Sometimes however, people are just wanking, and that's
kind
> of OK too if that's what they like to do and they can find people who like
to
> listen to wanking.

Sometimes I think that such communications are one of the things I miss the
most here.  One finds surprises galore playing with others.  Often happy
ones.

> Oh well, I'm just rambling now.

Blood sugar's low.  Late dinner!  Arrgh!

> Mark Sottilaro
>
> "S.P. Goodman" wrote:
>
> > I don't believe however that technology should "add" to my music,
instead
> > that it be as transparent as possible to my hoped-for/intended result
>
>
>
>
>

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On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 08:24 PM, Patrick Bolan wrote:

> The technology should not take away from music, but add to it.  If you
> get the two reversed, it doesn't sound good.

Whilst my own music is very melodically structured (almost to the point 
of being anal on the reverse end of the spectrum), I wholeheartedly 
agree with this sentiment and your earlier comments. There are too many 
musicians who over-utilise technology purely for the sake of 'because 
its there'...

...but then again, I'm a classically trained musician :) heh
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I really like that.  Well said.  A creative mind will all the implements
available, and hopefully they will perform as planned.

"I don't believe however that technology should "add" to my music,
instead
that it be as transparent as possible to my hoped-for/intended result
(depending on whether I'm composing or just playing of course"

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<>

Actually, I believe he used both the GR-300 and
GR-700 on that album. I remember reading an
interview he did in Guitar World where he said he
found out how to make GR-700 do things it wasn't
really meant to do. He also played dobro and
percussion on that album, as well using one of
those boxes with the plastic record inside of it
for the laughing heard on The Laughing Man. So
it's not all guitar synth "wanking". 

<>

Actually, he had been using the guitar synths for
several years by the time Desire Caught By The
Tail came out. He used the GR-300 on his second
album Twang Bar King (recently reissued in Japan
and available via AdrianBelew.net and
Disciplineglobalmobile.com) and King Crimson's
Beat and Three Of A Perfect Pair. He may have
also used it on Discipline, but I'm not positive
if he and Fripp had them at that point. Based on
what I hear on those records, I would suspect
Adrian already KNEW how to use a guitar synth by
the time he got to Desire Caught By The Tail. 

As to whether or not what Adrian does on that
particular record is wanking, I'd have to go back
and listen to it again to give you my thoughts
therein. 

=====
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My music is melodic, also.  It is the "technology"  that provides the
"atmosphere."  Adding to - or taking away are opinions.  Using a box just
to create some sort of "easy" effect is simply a step in the creative
process.  Some people stop at that point, others do not.  I respect both.
If I'm not digging the scene, I leave.

M...


At 10:33 PM 1/13/03 +0100, you wrote:
>On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 08:24 PM, Patrick Bolan wrote:
>
>> The technology should not take away from music, but add to it.  If you
>> get the two reversed, it doesn't sound good.
>
>Whilst my own music is very melodically structured (almost to the point 
>of being anal on the reverse end of the spectrum), I wholeheartedly 
>agree with this sentiment and your earlier comments. There are too many 
>musicians who over-utilise technology purely for the sake of 'because 
>its there'...
>
>...but then again, I'm a classically trained musician :) heh
>-- 
>Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com
>
>

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Are the EH folks ever going to make this box Again.  Polychorus, Big Muff, 
Memory Man etc.. but no 16 ddl :(


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Just went on eBay to look for naked pictures of Pete
Townshend (not really!), and stumbled onto this:


It's the EH16's next-generation-back ancestor, I
think. Check out the scans of the spec sheet!

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as the good dr.zvonar said on these pages and this is a direct quote i
think-
"it aint gonna happen"...er somethin like that.
stan

l.rossi writ: 
> Are the EH folks ever going to make this box Again.  Polychorus, Big Muff,
> Memory Man etc.. but no 16 ddl :(
> 
> 
>> From: Stan Card 
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>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:32:20 -0800
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>> if this dont beat all-
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At 10:36 PM -0800 1/12/03, dgoat wrote:
>Greetings all!
>
>Well, the very first Portland loopers gig has come and gone, and it 
>was a mad success, far beyond what I had dreamed it would be. We had 
>a great crowd (over 125!) and actually made some money to distribute 
>to all of the people involved! We had ambience, noise, rock, jazz, 
>funk, spoken word, experimental, folk, minimalism, etc. Basically, 
>just about something of everything! Improvization seemed to be the 
>common thread throughout. List members Neil Goldstein, Dave Trenkel 
>and myself all performed along with several other local Portland 
>loopers.

This was a fantastic show, JD, Matt and I had a great time playing, 
and we really dug listening to everyone else. It was a remarkable 
range of music, and, surprisingly enough, as Mr. Goat pointed out 
that night, no frippertronics :-). Twayne and every one else deserve 
mad props for pulling this off, I know what a headache it can be to 
organize something on this scale, and the evening was very smooth, 
even mostly on-time, surprising given the number of acts and amount 
of gear. I was also very pleased to see such a large audience. Maybe 
there's a future for this looping thing!

>
>
>Last for the evening (and best) was Admiral Twinkle Devil (Dave 
>Trenkel) and the Turntable Enabler. Dave had an absolutely HUGE 
>assortment of devices that he ran an electric piano and Nomad 
>keyboard through, including a Repeater and a JamMan. His turntable 
>co-hort used a Repeater and other devices on the turntables, and 
>definately played them as a musical instrument. VERY impressive. 
>Now, not only did they have the mounds of gear (a full music store's 
>worth it seemed) but they also brought an excellent sax player with 
>them, who squalled and melodied his way through the textures with 
>tenor and soprano saxes. A fine, fine closing act.

Thanks for the kind words, I'm blushing. I had some technical 
problems, not unexpected given the amount of crap I was using, but 
fortunately Matt and JD could more than pick up the slack.

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And what would be the point of reissuing something like the 16 Second Delay
when tools like the Repeater, the DL-4 or the EDP with Loop IV are around? I
mean, it would most certainly appeal to collectors (I for one would have
loved to have the money and the guts to buy Robert Rich´s 16 SDDL when he
parted with it a couple years ago) but now I wonder who would buy it unless
he´s hunting down a White Elephant of his youth (well, erm, I have several
white elephants to hunt down, actually, so count me in on this one 8) )...
anyhow, I was impressed with Thighpaulsandra´s 16 Second Delay rackmount...
impressive tones, really.

My .02$,

Stephen.


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> as the good dr.zvonar said on these pages and this is a direct quote i
> think-
> "it aint gonna happen"...er somethin like that.
> stan
>
> l.rossi writ:
> > Are the EH folks ever going to make this box Again.  Polychorus, Big
Muff,
> > Memory Man etc.. but no 16 ddl :(
> >
> >
> >> From: Stan Card 
> >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> To: looper people 
> >> Subject: EH 16sec.DDL
> >> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:32:20 -0800
> >>
> >> if this dont beat all-
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btw, I also have one of these Instant Replays. Really vicious sounding,
especially when you´re into early proto industrial. But a diital delay? No
way...

Stephen



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> Just went on eBay to look for naked pictures of Pete
> Townshend (not really!), and stumbled onto this:
>

>
> It's the EH16's next-generation-back ancestor, I
> think. Check out the scans of the spec sheet!
>
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> And what would be the point of reissuing something like the 16 Second Delay
> when tools like the Repeater, the DL-4 or the EDP with Loop IV are around?
>My .02$,
>  Stephen.

not to be contrary-but-the <16sec delay> does stuff *nothing else* can do!
thats the beauty.
archively speakin-we've been here before :-)
stan

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Let's talk about this. What is do special about the 16 second DDL? If you win me over to the 16 second DDL cult, I assure you, it will be reissued. Do you think Mike Mathews can ignore tens of thousands of letters in his mailbox? I am not kidding. I know some friends of his anyway. I'm crazy and I won't take no for an answer when it comes to gear ;-)
 Stan Card  wrote:not to be contrary-but-the <16sec delay> does stuff *nothing else* can do!
thats the beauty.
archively speakin-we've been here before :-)
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Let's talk about this. What is do special about the 16 second DDL? If you win me over to the 16 second DDL cult, I assure you, it will be reissued. Do you think Mike Mathews can ignore tens of thousands of letters in his mailbox? I am not kidding. I know some friends of his anyway. I'm crazy and I won't take no for an answer when it comes to gear ;-)

 Stan Card <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:

not to be contrary-but-the <16sec delay> does stuff *nothing else* can do!
thats the beauty.
archively speakin-we've been here before :-)
stan

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>As a classically-trained musician, I'd like to say a few words in the
>name of music.
>
>Many of the acts at the Portland Loopfest were more "performance art".
>Hearing wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses of sound, including
>unintentional (?) feedback, screaming, and cursing, was overpowering. 
>
>Call me a purist, but the technology should be used to augment a
>performer's skill in their instrument of choice.  Most of the time, what
>I heard was "look-what-I-can-do-with-this-cool-piece-of-gear".  They
>probably had chops, but the opaque veil of technology had descended on
>their performances, covering up their true musical talents.

Patrick, you make some good points here, these are some of the same 
issues I have with the idea of "looping music." However, I feel that 
the performers at the Loopfest did a great job of transcending these 
problems. Even the most abstract performer of the night, Nonpolar, 
IMHO, created some very musical structures out of a few close-miked 
cymbal sounds. All of this is very, very subjective, I'm sure we have 
different standards of what is and isn't musical. Actually, I 
wouldn't characterize the night as "wave upon wave of amorphous 
withering masses of sound, including unintentional (?) feedback, 
screaming, and cursing", I was personally surprised at how little of 
the music presented was like this. We must have different standards!

Maybe you need to think somewhat differently about where the skill in 
this type of performance actually lies. I tend to approach these gigs 
as if all the equipment I bring is one big instrument. The processing 
gear is as much a part of musical process as the more "conventional" 
instruments. Even the mixer is an essential musical instrument in my 
view. In the case of the Nonpolar performance, his "chops" included 
knowing where to mic the cymbal, knowing how to move the mic around 
the cymbal, and knowing how to mainpulate the sounds he captured. I 
thought it was a fascinating performance.

I thought the other acts did a great job of being musical while using 
looping. The Ascention Conspiracy played some lovely, melodic stuff. 
Neil's set showed that an acoustic guitar and 2 processors could 
create a universe, sometimes threatening, sometimes beautiful. 
Lecture's tape delay sounded so wonderful that even the most minimal 
of input was made interesting, and he knew how much input was enough. 
The Darsan trio did some amazingly effortless looping of grooves with 
multiple DL-4's, anybody who has ever tried to loop within a band 
knows how difficult this can be to get in the pocket, they did it. 
And they had some pretty monstrous conventional chops as well.

>
>
>(To be fair, I did not hear Admiral Twinkle Devil.)


>
>Let's use this amazing technology to create things that are articulate
>and wonderful. 
>
Well, I didn't feel particularly articulate that night either, though 
I did have a wonderful time :-)

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>I KNEW I shouldn't have said that I was classically-trained!  That puts
>everybody on the defensive.
>
Personally, it pushes my buttons because it makes no sense.  There is a tremendous amount of "classical" music created since the begining of the 20th century that takes advantage of technology or even plays against structured composition in tight tonal ranges (a la Bach).

I didn't see the performances, and your interpretation is personal.  I won't disagree with your assement of them, nor your desire to hear something more harmonically traditional.  However, justifying your opinion by stating that you are classically trained is no rationale for any of your comments.

Sorry, this kind of thing always bugs me.

Classically trained cellist and composer,

    Kevin


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Yeah, some people are a little over-dependent on knobs & loops, but look how 
dependent the rest of us are on strings and frets, or being able to press a 
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>> If you win me over to the 16 second DDL=20
>> cult, I assure you, it will be reissued.=20

I think it had to do with the fact that some of the electrical =
components that were in the original EH 16s Delay are no longer =
available. There may be comparable components on the market today, but =
from what I understand, it would make a re-issue very expensive and most =
likely, not worthwhile re-issuing based on how many units could be sold. =
I think it's more economics of making the re-issue available than =
anything else ...

>From what I understand, if certain components fail in the vintage EH 16s =
Delay, they are not even serviceable ...

Now this is just my knowledge based on what I read in the newgroups =
(from reasonably respectable sources) ... I think it was Kim that =
mentioned what the components were and why they were so difficult to =
source, is even at all  ...

To me, it's like someone asking IBM to start manufacturing PC XT again =
with them trying to source 8088 processors and 256K memory chips to put =
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>> If you win me over to the 16 second DDL 


>> cult, I assure you, it will be reissued. 


 


I think it had to do with the fact that =
some of the=20
electrical components that were in the original EH 16s Delay are no =
longer=20
available. There may be comparable components on the market today, but =
from what=20
I understand, it would make a re-issue very expensive and most likely, =
not=20
worthwhile re-issuing based on how many units could be sold. I think =
it's more=20
economics of making the re-issue available than anything else=20
...


 


From what I understand, if certain =
components fail=20
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...


 


Now this is just my knowledge based on =
what I read=20
in the newgroups (from reasonably respectable sources) ... I think it =
was Kim=20
that mentioned what the components were and why they were so difficult =
to=20
source, is even at all  ...


 


To me, it's like someone asking IBM to =
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You know.... that's true.  Perhaps we are a bit like a craftsman
demonstrating the piano forte' (the 1st generation piano) for the first
time.  It takes a lot of tweaking to get consistent.


-----Original Message-----
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Yeah, some people are a little over-dependent on knobs & loops, but look
how 
dependent the rest of us are on strings and frets, or being able to
press a 
button on a piano and have a beautiful note automatically come out!

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now for some

SURVIVING THE NAMM SHOW ADVICE from a grizzled veteran:

Noise fatigue is the biggest 'burn out' factor at NAMM.

I try to hit the SONEX aneachoic acoustic foam booth at NAMM every
three or four hours.

Walk inside of that booth and just relax for 15 minutes.  It's amazing
how invigorating just being away from all that noise can be. It's like
taking a shower. Then you can go out and deal with
the porno chicks with impossible silicon breasts at the Dean booth
and what my brother and I call

"THE WEEDILA WEEDILA, THWAKITA WAKITA, THUGGIDA BUGGIDA SHOW"

So named because every insecure guitar player picks up a demonstration
axe and plays   weedila weedila weedila weedila  to try and impress people.

the insecure bassists all  finger pop and slap their basses:

               thwakita wakita thwakita wakita

and the insecure drums all trot out their

               thuggida buggida thuggida buggida triplet 16th note chops

Maybe we can have surreptitious 'silence' loop jams in the SONEX booth to
balance
out all of the overplaying insecurity factor of NAMM
.
No quantizing will be necessary for such a thing to be
effective............LOL

see you all there!!!!

Where your Loopers Delight T-shirts
(or, hint, hint, your Y2K2 LOOPFEST T-shirts)

yours, Rick Walker

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So it is the Electro Harmonix booth at 2 p.m. Saturday.

see ya there,  Rick Walker

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There has been plenty of talk in the archives about this, but allow me a
few sentences, since I keep raising the issue of this particular
dinosaur.  There is just nothing else like it, in terms of immediate
response, potential sonic mayhem, great sound, and hands-on fun.  The
DL4 is probably its closest relative, but I think it's a pretty flat
box.  It's a decent 12-second looper, but the reverse sounds totally
sterile and you can't even do pitchshifting or self-regeneration.
("Tweak" and "Tweez"? Please!) The EDP and Repeater have great power,
but are different things and most useful for those who enjoy twisting
and control of multiple loops (and like reading manuals).  The 16-second
DDL is just hands-on immense fun.  I still adore the Digitech PDS-2000
because it has a few shades of its uniqueness, but I don't see anything
else like the original.  Check out what Nels Cline does with it, or Bill
Frisell (altho he uses a DL4 sometimes too).  I would think the
popularity of the DL4 and the incredible prices that are being asked for
this box would convince EH, but I guess not, probably never.

alright.  I won't waste more list time on this, except when it's near
NAMM!

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


> Let's talk about this. What is do special about the 16 second DDL?

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*exactly*

matt davignon wrote:

> Yeah, some people are a little over-dependent on knobs & loops, but look how
> dependent the rest of us are on strings and frets, or being able to press a
> button on a piano and have a beautiful note automatically come out!
>
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Well - if it's wanking then I guess I a voyeur, 'cause I've always dug
this album.

Scott

Chris Richards wrote:

> 
> As to whether or not what Adrian does on that
> particular record is wanking, I'd have to go back
> and listen to it again to give you my thoughts
> therein.
> 

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Howdy!

Patrick Bolan wrote:

 > As a classically-trained musician, I'd like to say a few words in the
 > name of music.


It is a truism that music has nothing to do with training. Music has 
nothing to do with theory. Music has nothing to do with most of what we 
normally think of as music :-) Music, like any other art form, is about 
perception, i.e. one person's meat is another's poison.

Music is about sound and form. Mind you, that sound can be ugly, and 
that form jagged and unpleasant.

 > Many of the acts at the Portland Loopfest were more "performance art".


That's a good thing, right?

 > Hearing wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses of sound, including
 > unintentional (?) feedback, screaming, and cursing, was overpowering.


Ah, you make me happy to know that at least *someone* was offended by my 
potty-mouth ;-) And the Darsan Trio members would like to go on record 
as stating that their feedback is always intentional, and when it isn't, 
  then they apply the Eno aphorism: "Treat thy mistakes as a hidden 
intention" and loop the result. As one of my jazz teachers taught me, if 
you hit a bad note, hit it two more times and it'll be right.

As a classically trained musician, I'm sure you are aware of some of the 
  eastern European composers, such as Ligeti and Penderecki (among many, 
many others) who created "wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses 
of sound" using traditional classical instruments playing (often) 
unconventional, extended techniques. This use of timbre and texture as 
the motivating power in music (as opposed to harmonic/melodic motion) 
has been a well-explored theme through-out the works of many 20th 
century composers.

Many loopers meld this obsession with timbre and texture to the 
improvisers art, using the powerful engine of repetition. A sort of 20th 
century "classical" mixed with "jazz".

By the way, did I mention that I am a classically trained guitarist 
*and* composer? I even have the little pieces of paper from the UMKC 
Conservatory of Music to prove it. heh heh heh...

 > Call me a purist, but the technology should be used to augment a
 > performer's skill in their instrument of choice.


Any instrument (barring the voice) is a piece of technology. And "skill" 
is unimportant, only music is important. If your approach to music 
requires a lot of skill, that's great, but it doesn't make it "better" 
than music that requires little or no skill, simply different. 
Complexity does not equal better.

 > Most of the time, what

 > I heard was "look-what-I-can-do-with-this-cool-piece-of-gear".


Interesting. What I heard was honest exploration. Some of it didn't 
work, most of it did.

 >  They
 > probably had chops, but the opaque veil of technology had descended on
 > their performances, covering up their true musical talents.


It seems you may have a somewhat narrow definition of what constitutes 
musical talent. I suggest that you check out the Shaggs.

 > (To be fair, I did not hear Admiral Twinkle Devil.)

Then maybe you also didn't hear the Darsan Trio's last piece, the 
Gymnopedie #1 by Erik Satie, a very famous classical tune, rearranged 
for guitar, bass, drums and 3 loopers.

 > Let's use this amazing technology to create things that are articulate
 > and wonderful.


I'm not sure that being "articulate" is important, but I whole-heartedly 
agree with the wonderful bit. Course, there are those people who think 
Britney Spears is wonderful, and I only like the Richard Thompson covers :-)

D.G.
Darsan Trio
The Divided

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The EH16 discussion got me thinking.

Not really a looping question vis-à-vis the DL4, but this list has an awful
lot of DL4 users. If I'm using it as an echo rather than a looper, can I use
the expression pedal to change the delay time and if so how well does it
respond to such changes? Does it give a nice analogue pitch slur or does it
sputter and cough and otherwise engage in digital hiccups? Or do they just
punt on the issue entirely and tie delay time only to the tap switch?

Mark

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well, one of the most disappointing things about the dl4 is the
way it handles delay time changes with audio throughput. if
you're looking for the effect of echoes speeding up and slowing
down forget it. after a few emails to line 6 about this i found out
that the modeler pro rack unit supposedly has a glide switch
which fixes this limitation. i haven't heard how well it works,
anyone out there care to comment? that being said i have to
say that i  am otherwise extremely pleased with my dl4, and the
combination of it with my fernandez sustainer guitar is amazing.
who needs a big muff!
cheers
bruce

On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 08:18 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote:

> The EH16 discussion got me thinking.
>
> Not really a looping question vis-à-vis the DL4, but this list has an 
> awful
> lot of DL4 users. If I'm using it as an echo rather than a looper, can 
> I use
> the expression pedal to change the delay time and if so how well does 
> it
> respond to such changes? Does it give a nice analogue pitch slur or 
> does it
> sputter and cough and otherwise engage in digital hiccups? Or do they 
> just
> punt on the issue entirely and tie delay time only to the tap switch?
>
> Mark
>
>

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Much is often said on this list about the technology not getting
in the way of the music............or making the technology 'transparent'.

I'd like to offer a different perspective:

Modern software and hardware looping technology presents us with several
different
ways of manipulating the timbre and shape of our musical stylings.

You take someone like Steve Lawson who is as flawlessly transparent as any
looper
I've had the pleasure of seeing and he has seemlessly integrated that
technology
into his live solo bass shows.   Take away that technology and his shows
would radically change.....

As loopers, frequently however,  our technology is NOT transparent.

 I challenge the brilliant Andre LaFosse, as an example, to reproduce his
last several
recordings with anything but an Echoplex with Loop 4 software.

It just ain't gonna happen, my friends.

 Ya can't do it with a Repeater or a Jamman or a Line 6 or, or and believe
me, Goddess and I have both tried (lol)

Richard Zvonar without his eventides?     Nope!!!

Matt Davignon without his primitive 2 second stomp box antiquated digital
delays.  Na!!!

My point here is that our individual sounds entirely reflect not only our
artistry, aesthetics and technical ability but, equally, our technology,
whether it is
Les Paul putting an electro magnetic transducer on an acoustic guitar or a
Papua
New Guinea tribesperson skewering a giant Sargasso beetle and then
maniplulating
the overtones in a rhythmic way of the dying bugs wing spasms with the
cavity of his mouth.

To badly paraphrase the late Frank Zappa (who, I hate to admit it, I didn't
like very much, but who's genius was both apparent and inspirational)

"If you want to know what timbre is take the Star Spangled Banner
as performed at Woodstock by Jimi Hendrix and then play it, note for
not on a clarinet."

You are what you play.............You are who you are..............You like
what you like..........IT's ALL GOOD because it is creative and an
expression of your humanity.


Personally, I choose looping technology precisely because it IS repetitive
and NON transparent. I like the juxtaposition of even static loops when it
is done creatively...........from the simple surf rock of Stan Card to the
multiple layers and textures of my brother, Bill Walker

I can also, however, appreciate when people don't like the majority of
looping artists.

I'm not a huge fan of bluegrass, myself.........

That fact just doesn't take away from the value of the music........it just
speaks to my
individual take on the world, aesthetically.

To badly paraphrase Brian Eno:

"if every human being on earth took a red crayon and a white piece of paper
and made a drawing of a house and a tree, we would have 5 billion drawings
of which NONE would
exactly alike..............and yet a house and a tree are not made of red
wax and white
cellulose.................so each person would have filtered there vision of
a house and a tree through their individual experience and technical ability
and made a 'creation' that is totally unique...........consequently, every
person would have been UNIQUELY CREATIVE."

No one can control anyone's responses to things but if I were the benevolent
dictator of the world I would force everyone to acknowledge that their
judgements about other people's art are merely reflections of their own
likes and dislikes, securities and insecurities.

Ha ha ha...........if I were the ART dictator I would force people to quit
being
judgemental and separatist..........

what a paradox, eh?

But then again, what do I know,  I've been known to do three hour concerts
only using
dayglo green plastic, microphones and looping devices (without, shudder to
think, ANY
feedback control...................sly wink in the direction of my good
friend Matthias).

Oh yeah,  and I'm classically trained as well.....................LOL.

yours, Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL)



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One of the only delays I've used lately that behaves this way (and 
synchs to a MIDI clock) is the Electrix Mo-FX  You can get really 
interesting delay effects by screwing with the knobs (all accessable via 
MIDI) or changing the MIDI clock, which is an automatic feature of the 
Repeater.

(the Repeater part is sarcasm)

Mark Sottilaro

bruce tovsky wrote:

> well, one of the most disappointing things about the dl4 is the
> way it handles delay time changes with audio throughput. if
> you're looking for the effect of echoes speeding up and slowing
> down forget it. after a few emails to line 6 about this i found out
> that the modeler pro rack unit supposedly has a glide switch
> which fixes this limitation. i haven't heard how well it works,
> anyone out there care to comment? that being said i have to
> say that i  am otherwise extremely pleased with my dl4, and the
> combination of it with my fernandez sustainer guitar is amazing.
> who needs a big muff!
> cheers
> bruce
>
> On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 08:18 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote:
>
>> The EH16 discussion got me thinking.
>>
>> Not really a looping question vis-à-vis the DL4, but this list has an 
>> awful
>> lot of DL4 users. If I'm using it as an echo rather than a looper, 
>> can I use
>> the expression pedal to change the delay time and if so how well does it
>> respond to such changes? Does it give a nice analogue pitch slur or 
>> does it
>> sputter and cough and otherwise engage in digital hiccups? Or do they 
>> just
>> punt on the issue entirely and tie delay time only to the tap switch?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
>


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Yes, you can control any parameter on the DL4 w/ an exp. pedal, including
delay time.  And it does all that cool pitch-changing you get with
anolog-delays.  In fact, one my fave things to do with with the DL4 is
maxing out the feedback and putting a short delay time which makes it go
into some sort of feedback loop.  Then you can control the pitch of the
sound by fiddling w/ the delay time.  Even better is that depending what
model you're using, the feedback loop will sound different.  I've never
used an analog delay, but I assume this is the same thing that would
happen with one?

Ernesto

On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:18:47 -0800, "Mark Hamburg"
 said:
> The EH16 discussion got me thinking.
> 
> Not really a looping question vis-à-vis the DL4, but this list has an
> awful
> lot of DL4 users. If I'm using it as an echo rather than a looper, can I
> use
> the expression pedal to change the delay time and if so how well does it
> respond to such changes? Does it give a nice analogue pitch slur or does
> it
> sputter and cough and otherwise engage in digital hiccups? Or do they
> just
> punt on the issue entirely and tie delay time only to the tap switch?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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At 8:59 PM -0800 1/13/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>Much is often said on this list about the technology not getting
>in the way of the music............or making the technology 'transparent'.
>
>I'd like to offer a different perspective:
>
>As loopers, frequently however,  our technology is NOT transparent.

Technological transparency is fine and sometimes preferable, but 
sometimes the art is ABOUT the technology and that's fine too. I've 
done a lot of visual theater work in which the audiovisual systems 
and stage mechanics were out in plain view and were part of the 
scenography and even of the content of the piece. I've seen (and been 
influenced by) a lot of theater that similarly embraced the 
technology for its theatricality (some examples: Soon3, Nightletter 
Theater, The Wooster Group). There are similar examples in ostensibly 
musical performance (though I'd probably maintain that the focus on 
the hardware is essentially theatrical). Turntablism is quite a good 
example. So is the work of Harry Partch, where the corporeality of 
the performance and the look of the stage were both determined by the 
physical nature and presence of the instruments.
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I was a little dissappointed by the lack of smooth delay time/pitch changes when I got my DL-4. I think they should have made some of the patches shift smoothly and left others for sonic mayhem. Basically I would have liked it if they just made the delay time control operate the same as it does on the pedals being modeled. It's sort of redundant for me though as I have another analog delay, and an RDS 8000 that do it quite nicely. About the Electrix Mo-FX, can midi signals be used to make it cycle through a sequence of various delay times, creating a melodic stepping effect as the sampled sound jumps up and down to various speeds? I've always wanted to get my hands on a device that could do this. Anyone one here use the Adrenalinn? Can it do this? Does anyone have a favorite unit for multi-tap delays with individual pitch shift for each tap? See, I figure if I can hook up enough delay boxes in the right combination and with the right type of automation, I won't have to play guitar at all -except one note. Then I can just mess with pitch shift and delay time parameters in various ways and keep resampling and redelaying the sound. Then once I get a nice long loop going I can just sit on stage and stare the audience down, or make origami, or do shadow puppetry. Seriously though, multi taps with individual pitch shifting and panning, the ability to create melodies with delay time adjustment via the knob and also via midi messages from a sequencer for delay time "stepping," what can do all this? (crossing his fingers that it will cost under a grand) - Kirk
 Marklar  wrote:One of the only delays I've used lately that behaves this way (and 
synchs to a MIDI clock) is the Electrix Mo-FX You can get really 
interesting delay effects by screwing with the knobs (all accessable via 
MIDI) or changing the MIDI clock, which is an automatic feature of the 
Repeater.

(the Repeater part is sarcasm)

Mark Sottilaro


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I was a little dissappointed by the lack of smooth delay time/pitch changes when I got my DL-4. I think they should have made some of the patches shift smoothly and left others for sonic mayhem. Basically I would have liked it if they just made the delay time control operate the same as it does on the pedals being modeled. It's sort of redundant for me though as I have another analog delay, and an RDS 8000 that do it quite nicely. About the Electrix Mo-FX, can midi signals be used to make it cycle through a sequence of various delay times, creating a melodic stepping effect as the sampled sound jumps up and down to various speeds? I've always wanted to get my hands on a device that could do this. Anyone one here use the Adrenalinn? Can it do this? Does anyone have a favorite unit for multi-tap delays with individual pitch shift for each tap? See, I figure if I can hook up enough delay boxes in the right combination and with the right type of automation, I won't have to play guitar at all -except one note. Then I can just mess with pitch shift and delay time parameters in various ways and keep resampling and redelaying the sound. Then once I get a nice long loop going I can just sit on stage and stare the audience down, or make origami, or do shadow puppetry. Seriously though, multi taps with individual pitch shifting and panning, the ability to create melodies with delay time adjustment via the knob and also via midi messages from a sequencer for delay time "stepping," what can do all this? (crossing his fingers that it will cost under a grand) - Kirk

 Marklar <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:

One of the only delays I've used lately that behaves this way (and 
synchs to a MIDI clock) is the Electrix Mo-FX You can get really 
interesting delay effects by screwing with the knobs (all accessable via 
MIDI) or changing the MIDI clock, which is an automatic feature of the 
Repeater.

(the Repeater part is sarcasm)

Mark Sottilaro


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This is indeed a stunning album, I heartily recommend it.

os
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> from a review of "Stretched Landscape #1" in German Keyboards magazine:
>
> "Did it happen by chance that Michael Peters - after his comparatively
> accessible 'Escape Veloopity' album - moved from metropolis Cologne to the
> nearby village of Kuerten, close to where visionary Karlheinz Stockhausen
> resides? Just as the works of the grand master of academic electronic
music
> become more and more erratic, so do Michael Peters' compositions.
Primarily
> a guitarist, Peters uses piano sounds, treated with granular synthesis, to
> create a one hour track of images from an imaginary deserted landscape,
> rolled over by dark waves of sound, and inhabited only by chirping
cicadas.
> Not even Brian Eno has dared to venture this deep into dark ambient
realms.
> This is late night cinema for headphone owners."
>
> http://www.burningshed.com
>

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than once a year, neh?

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>
> Are the EH folks ever going to make this box Again.  Polychorus, Big Muff,
> Memory Man etc.. but no 16 ddl :(
>
>
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> >if this dont beat all-
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does anyone have phill niblock's current email address?   -mpe

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Hi Gang,

I'm very excited to announce that our new Mayor, Emily Reilly
has declared

Saturday, January 25th

to be

"International Live Looping Day" in the City of Santa Cruz!!!!

This coincides with the day that the LOOPING TRIO comes rolling into town
to play the Cayuga Vault at 8 p.m. ($10/door.........no one turned away for
lack of funds).

Consisting of the return to California of fretless solo bass phenom from
London England, Steve Lawson,innovative 'guitar turntablist' from Los
Angeles, Andre LaFosse and yours trulyon drums/percussions/loops/processing
and madness,  this trio is stopping in Santa Cruz in the middle of a
California tour that starts in Hollywood on the last night of the NAMM show
(where we will be supporting the Gibson EDP Echoplex with loop 4 software)
and will culminate with an Echoplex clinic with the three of us at Bananas
at Large in San Raphael and a gig with the incomparable Michael Manring at
Henflings in Ben Lomond on Wednesday, January 29th.


Anyway,  Bill Walker is opening up the show at 8 when the Mayor
will come and present the proclamation to all four loopers on the bill.

I hope you can all make this auspicious event.  I am very excited and proud
to be
in a town that is so hip that such a thing could happen.

Think of it:   A Mayor of a City celebrating an emerging and cutting edge
art form/movement/community at it's relative inception...............how
cool is that anyhow...........Thanks, Emily!!!!

Here is the proclamation, if you are interested in reading it.

thanks,  I'm so friggin' excited!!!!!!

yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)



CITY OF SANTA CRUZ CALIFORNIA
    MAYOR'S PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS

THERE HAVE BEEN 21 FESTIVALS OF LIVE DIGITAL
LOOPING IN, OR PRODUCED FROM, THE CITY OF
SANTA CRUZ IN THE LAST THREE YEARS and

WHEREAS

THOSE LOOPING FESTIVALS HAVE INSPIRED MANY
OTHER CITIES AROUND THE NATION AND AROUND
THE WORLD TO HOST THEIR OWN LIVE LOOPING
FESTIVALS; and

WHEREAS

SANTA CRUZ HAS BEEN CALLED "THE LOOPING
CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE" BY FAMED U.K.
LOOPER AND SOLO BASSIST, STEVE LAWSON; and

WHEREAS

SANTA CRUZ WAS THE SITE OF THE LARGEST
GATHERING OF LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS IN HISTORY,
WHERE 48 LOOPING ARTISTS FROM ALL OVER
THE COUNTRY AND STATE PARTICIPATED IN 22
HOURS OF CONTINUOUS LOOPING FOR TWO DAYS
ON TWO STAGES AT THE Y2K2 LOOPFEST; and

WHEREAS

THERE ARE 17 LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS IN THE CITY OF SANTA CRUZ WHICH IS THE
LARGEST PER CAPITA GROUP OF LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS OF ANY CITY ON EARTH; and
WHEREAS SOME OF THOSE LOOPING ARTISTS ARE CONSIDERED
TO BE AMONGST THE MOST RESPECTED LOOPING ARTISTS IN THE INTERNATIONAL LIVE
LOOPING MOVEMENT TODAY; and

WHEREAS

ON JANUARY 25, 2003, THE CAYUGA VAULT WILL BE HOSTING THE LOOPING TRIO TOUR,
COMPOSED OF SOME OF THE MOST RESPECTED LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS IN THE
INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING SCENE TODAY, ANDRE LaFOSSE (FROM LOS ANGELES) AND
STEVE LAWSON (FROM LONDON) ALONG WITH TWO SANTA CRUZ LOOPERS, RICK AND BILL
WALKER:

NOW, THEREFORE


I, EMILY REILLY, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SANTA CRUZ,
DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SATURDAY, JANUARY 25, 2003
AS "INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY" IN THE CITY
OF SANTA CRUZ AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO SUPPORT
THE LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS OF SANTA CRUZ FOR THEIR
TIRELESS WORK TO FURTHER THE CAUSE OF THIS
IMPORTANT EMERGING MUSICAL ARTFORM.


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DAVID BEARDSLEY
Microtonal Just Intonation guitar,=20
echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.

"Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods."=20
- Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, NYC

Thursday, January 16, 2002
9:00 p.m., $7.00
  Chama
  332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D
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"Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another."=20
Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl.

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>Actually after seeing a picture...I like my 'beige-face' EDP better. And
>we all know the old ones sound better anyway, if you are looking for
>that 'mojo tone' and all. :) Although I might by one just for the round
>buttons....and, oh yeah, the ability to loop in stereo would be cool
>too.

yes, I love the buttons!

>
>Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
>http://www.hazardfactor.com
>
>
>
>>
>>  In case anyone is interested, the new Gibson Echoplex Digital
>>  Pro Plus
>>  appears to be listed for sale at Musician's Friend, with an
>>  arrival date of
>>  Jan 20. This new version has LoopIV built in, offering tons of new
>>  functionality over the old LoopIII version. But by far the
>>  most important
>>  new feature: it is black!
>>
>>  kim
>>
>>
>>  ______________________________________________________________________
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>>


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--- Daryl  wrote:
> 
> There has been plenty of talk in the archives about this, but allow me a
> few sentences, since I keep raising the issue of this particular
> dinosaur.  There is just nothing else like it, in terms of immediate
> response, potential sonic mayhem, great sound, and hands-on fun. 

If this thing is so cool, why doesn't someone start building something similar?
It wouldn't have to be a 1 to 1 exact repro, as long as it sounded good and had
the same features, so it shouldn't matter that some of the original components
aren't available any more. 

Given how much the originals are selling for, it seems like a good opportunity
for someone to build a boutique pedal in this space, but I don't see anyone doing
it. Is the demand that small? The task that difficult?

Greg

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Patrick Bolan wrote:

> Many of the acts at the Portland Loopfest were more "performance art".

I can appreciate that.

> Hearing wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses of sound, including
> unintentional (?) feedback, screaming, and cursing, was overpowering.

For me, wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses of sound can be pretty
moving. I remember one particular performance which could rightly be referred to
using that description. At first, it grated on my nerves, but as I listened and
got into it, I started feeling the surge of the ocean, wave after wave of sound,
each with a little different mixture of contents. Still abrasive, and still
leaving me on the edge of my seat a bit for the entire work, but leaving me
feeling strangely refreshed when it was over. I consider that a successful
endeavor and one which I was very glad I witnessed. I would not hesitate to
attend this man's performances again.

Greg

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Sorry to have upset the group by asking about this again but my point 
originally was… If EH would reissue something like their ring modulator, 
‘bass balls’ etc etc etc, why not this DDL box?

Yes, my EDP & Lexicon PCM80 are awesome but it would be nice to have a “fun” 
box too....


Regards
LOU



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>
>--- Daryl  wrote:
> >
> > There has been plenty of talk in the archives about this, but allow me a
> > few sentences, since I keep raising the issue of this particular
> > dinosaur.  There is just nothing else like it, in terms of immediate
> > response, potential sonic mayhem, great sound, and hands-on fun.
>
>If this thing is so cool, why doesn't someone start building something 
>similar?
>It wouldn't have to be a 1 to 1 exact repro, as long as it sounded good and 
>had
>the same features, so it shouldn't matter that some of the original 
>components
>aren't available any more.
>
>Given how much the originals are selling for, it seems like a good 
>opportunity
>for someone to build a boutique pedal in this space, but I don't see anyone 
>doing
>it. Is the demand that small? The task that difficult?
>
>Greg
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Very cool Rick!!! And we all know who has worked the hardest 
for such a proclamation to come about . . . the fabulous Mr.
Rick "GLOBAL" Walker. Great work Richardo! You're an inspiration!
I suggest that everyone who can try to make it to the Cayuga Vault
on the 25th. Be there or be square. I'm gonna try.

Best,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

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>does anyone have phill niblock's current email address?   -mpe

http://www.experimentalintermedia.org/pn/ has the address
mailto:phill@experimentalintermedia.org


You had me really worried for a second.  Traditionally,
an article or email with just someone's name as the
subject often means that they have died!

    /t
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In the context of "I've-got-a-shiny-new-piece-of-gear-
and-it's-going-to-be-a-PROMINENT-feature-of-my-new-
album" in which that particular Belew album was
mentioned, another example might be 'Sand'-era Allan
Holdsworth.

I absolutely love Holdsworth's playing. But when I
heard 'Sand', I thought the SynthAxe stood as a solid
wall of cheese obscuring Holdsworth's distinctive
voice. With a "regular" guitar, Holdsworth's legato
melody lines have a sound unlike anyone else's, and
his floating chordal work comes from the same
neighborhood as Terje Rypdal's and David Torn's, which
is a *really* swell part of town. But with the
SynthAxe, I was left with the impression that it
could've been pretty much anyone playing those parts.
(OK, "anyone" with highly developed chops, but you
know what I mean...) I felt that the unique
personality that normally comes through in
Holdsworth's playing was suppressed and smothered by
the SynthAxe, and couldn't help but wonder how those
same tunes would sound had he not been using the
thing.

-t-

> Chris Richards wrote:
> 
> > As to whether or not what Adrian does on that
> > particular record is wanking, I'd have to go back
> > and listen to it again to give you my thoughts
> > therein.


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>"classically trained"

man, we've got some really old people here,
all trained during the classical period.
did any of you know beethoven?

dr. science ain't got nothing on me.
-jp, university trained, degreed.
so there!
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> If this thing is so cool, why doesn't someone start building something
similar?
> It wouldn't have to be a 1 to 1 exact repro, as long as it sounded good
and had
> the same features, so it shouldn't matter that some of the original
components
> aren't available any more.

Somebody send me a manual (or a link to one) and I'll put one together with
the Looper Construction Kit.

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Stan Card wrote:

> if this dont beat all-
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=250017896
> 5+

Gee, I wish mine could do all the things he claims his can do. (-8

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> >"classically trained"

so how does a musician become "classically trained"? does this mean some
minimum of standard for specific musical skills (instrument playing
capabilities, sight reading, arranging, playing specific pieces to a
standard, etc)

i took violin lessons as a child using the Suzuki methods ... is that
considered classical training?


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> >"classically trained"
>
> man, we've got some really old people here,
> all trained during the classical period.
> did any of you know beethoven?

No, but I've channelled the spirit of Charles Schulz' first dog Sparky, who
insists that he's the one who inspired "Chuck" to insert good ol' Ludwig Van
into the "Peanuts" strip via Schroeder.  Strange really, it's through
"Peanuts" that I was introduced to Beethoven's music at 9 - and, as I try to
avoid slavering, my parents bought the entire Time-Life commemmoration of
B's 200th birthday, all conducted by Karajan(sp?) on Deutche Grammaphon.  I
await the day when they avoid inheritance taxes and "gift" it to me at last.

I am by the way not classically trained, nor a member of the International
Esperanto Society.

S.P. Goodman
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> dr. science ain't got nothing on me.
> -jp, university trained, degreed.
> so there!
> blppppppppplplplppplpp
>
>
>
>
>

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Dgoat,

Of all the replies to my original posting, yours is one I have been
waiting for.  The thoughtful dialogue here has given me pause to think
about my own construct of music.  I cannot say that the "exploration" I
heard at the loopfest was articulate, but maybe in some way it was
wonderful...  

Were I alive in the early 20th century, perhaps I would have been one of
those rioting in protest after Stravinski's inaugural performance of the
Firebird Suite!  

In my own music creations, I take great satisfaction in the refinement
of it.  The notion that mistakes are allowed (maybe even encouraged?) is
tough for me.  Even though I too have a grad degree, my approach
probably has more to do with who I am than what my own particular
educational.

Next time you do the PDX fest, I'll be there.  I'll listen for what you
are talking about....

Thanks! 



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Howdy!

Patrick Bolan wrote:

 > As a classically-trained musician, I'd like to say a few words in the
 > name of music.


It is a truism that music has nothing to do with training. Music has 
nothing to do with theory. Music has nothing to do with most of what we 
normally think of as music :-) Music, like any other art form, is about 
perception, i.e. one person's meat is another's poison.

Music is about sound and form. Mind you, that sound can be ugly, and 
that form jagged and unpleasant.

 > Many of the acts at the Portland Loopfest were more "performance
art".


That's a good thing, right?

 > Hearing wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses of sound,
including
 > unintentional (?) feedback, screaming, and cursing, was overpowering.


Ah, you make me happy to know that at least *someone* was offended by my

potty-mouth ;-) And the Darsan Trio members would like to go on record 
as stating that their feedback is always intentional, and when it isn't,

  then they apply the Eno aphorism: "Treat thy mistakes as a hidden 
intention" and loop the result. As one of my jazz teachers taught me, if

you hit a bad note, hit it two more times and it'll be right.

As a classically trained musician, I'm sure you are aware of some of the

  eastern European composers, such as Ligeti and Penderecki (among many,

many others) who created "wave upon wave of amorphous withering masses 
of sound" using traditional classical instruments playing (often) 
unconventional, extended techniques. This use of timbre and texture as 
the motivating power in music (as opposed to harmonic/melodic motion) 
has been a well-explored theme through-out the works of many 20th 
century composers.

Many loopers meld this obsession with timbre and texture to the 
improvisers art, using the powerful engine of repetition. A sort of 20th

century "classical" mixed with "jazz".

By the way, did I mention that I am a classically trained guitarist 
*and* composer? I even have the little pieces of paper from the UMKC 
Conservatory of Music to prove it. heh heh heh...

 > Call me a purist, but the technology should be used to augment a
 > performer's skill in their instrument of choice.


Any instrument (barring the voice) is a piece of technology. And "skill"

is unimportant, only music is important. If your approach to music 
requires a lot of skill, that's great, but it doesn't make it "better" 
than music that requires little or no skill, simply different. 
Complexity does not equal better.

 > Most of the time, what

 > I heard was "look-what-I-can-do-with-this-cool-piece-of-gear".


Interesting. What I heard was honest exploration. Some of it didn't 
work, most of it did.

 >  They
 > probably had chops, but the opaque veil of technology had descended
on
 > their performances, covering up their true musical talents.


It seems you may have a somewhat narrow definition of what constitutes 
musical talent. I suggest that you check out the Shaggs.

 > (To be fair, I did not hear Admiral Twinkle Devil.)

Then maybe you also didn't hear the Darsan Trio's last piece, the 
Gymnopedie #1 by Erik Satie, a very famous classical tune, rearranged 
for guitar, bass, drums and 3 loopers.

 > Let's use this amazing technology to create things that are
articulate
 > and wonderful.


I'm not sure that being "articulate" is important, but I whole-heartedly

agree with the wonderful bit. Course, there are those people who think 
Britney Spears is wonderful, and I only like the Richard Thompson covers
:-)

D.G.
Darsan Trio
The Divided

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can someone explain to me why we're trashing
adrian's "desire" album? i had it on LP, copied
it to tape to listen/enjoy it (i never owned a
record player in my life). i always thought it
was a good album demonstrating what technology
was available at the time. i thought it certainly
sounded like adrian belew. had all his quirky playing
rhythmic sense etc. never thought it was "synth wanking"
i can't speak for the allan h "sand"album.
i think technology should be viewed as a tool.
i certainly like to play w/ reverb and delay, but
doubt that any of my stuff will sound like fripp/torn/
frisell/belew in how they use/manipulate those tools. it's like
using a hammer to build a house. you could decide to not
use a hammer, and could probably do it w/a  large rock, but
boy, it will probably take you longer, and might not be
the most accurate house built on the block, but i bet it will
still look "somewhat" like a house.
and didn't the belew "desire" album kill his rep w/ the guitar/
quirky pop world anyway? hey, he took a chance. probably marked the
death of experimental music on major labels.
s---
ps-when you get a new toy, isn't it fun to play with? same
w/ a tool-you get it to use it right?
pps-can you really wank on a synth? wasn't sure if it's possible?
i don't own one, nor could i play one, so i don't know.
last qualifier: classically trained in the sense of late 20th century
idea of fine (visual) arts (and boy what a mess that is)
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>>Yes, you can control any parameter on the DL4 w/ an exp. pedal, including
delay time.  And it does all that cool pitch-changing you get with
anolog-delays............ I assume this is the same thing that would
happen with one?<<

I was very happy with the effect I heard upon trying this with our two dl4's; I had read and reread the manual and was still convinced that either the delay time wouldn't change at all or that it would change notchily. in fact, there are moments when it makes noises exactly like a tape machine being varispeeded, or one of those old maestro units pictured in the manual, when you'd change the delay time by dragging the r/p head back and forth. works for me.

>>well, one of the most disappointing things about the dl4 is the
way it handles delay time changes with audio throughput<<

I don't understand this comment- do you mean that you expected the delay interval to change without changing the pitch of the repeats? or is it that the little gaps irritate you that appear when extending the delay time? I use the pedal to change the swell and delay time on the tape echo setting, and it reminds me of all the tape echoes I've ever used. no hiccups.

and meanwhile, on the EH 16s delay.... does anyone else out there remember the bel bd180? I didn't have one of those either, but our first solid-state looper was the powertran mcs-1 delay line/sampler, a 2U box with about 64k of memory... it could function as a crude monophonic sampler using midi or cv/gate, and could be hooked up to a bbc computer for sample dumps, but we used it chiefly as a long delay/looper (completely unsynced). it's 8 bit and has dbx chips at either end of the digital section in an attempt to improve the s/n ratio. also, there's an lfo that can be used to modulate the master clock and put wobbles on the delays/loops.

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[looper's] RE: DL4 question




>>Yes, you can control any parameter on the DL4 w/ =
an exp. pedal, including

delay time.  And it does all that cool pitch-changi=
ng you get with

anolog-delays............ I assume this is the same thin=
g that would

happen with one?<<




I was very happy with the effect I heard upon trying this=
 with our two dl4's; I had read and reread the manual and was still convinc=
ed that either the delay time wouldn't change at all or that it would chang=
e notchily. in fact, there are moments when it makes noises exactly like a =
tape machine being varispeeded, or one of those old maestro units pictured =
in the manual, when you'd change the delay time by dragging the r/p head ba=
ck and forth. works for me.



>>well, one of the most disappointing things about =
the dl4 is the

way it handles delay time changes with audio throughput&=
lt;<




I don't understand this comment- do you mean that you exp=
ected the delay interval to change without changing the pitch of the repeat=
s? or is it that the little gaps irritate you that appear when extending th=
e delay time? I use the pedal to change the swell and delay time on the tap=
e echo setting, and it reminds me of all the tape echoes I've ever used. no=
 hiccups.



and meanwhile, on the EH 16s delay.... does anyone else o=
ut there remember the bel bd180? I didn't have one of those either, but our=
 first solid-state looper was the powertran mcs-1 delay line/sampler, a 2U =
box with about 64k of memory... it could function as a crude monophonic sam=
pler using midi or cv/gate, and could be hooked up to a bbc computer for sa=
mple dumps, but we used it chiefly as a long delay/looper (completely unsyn=
ced). it's 8 bit and has dbx chips at either end of the digital section in =
an attempt to improve the s/n ratio. also, there's an lfo that can be used =
to modulate the master clock and put wobbles on the delays/loops.



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hmmm, bizarre that this didn't directly show up as a
submission to extreme NY.  what address are you subscribed
to the list as??

I sent it off under my own name to the list, so it should
be fine!  ("Tom Ritchford/Microtonal Just Intonation Guitar"
just kidding!)


>DAVID BEARDSLEY
>Microtonal Just Intonation guitar,
>echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.
>
>"Beardsley sculpts 
>tones into overpowering moods."
>- Kyle Gann, the 
>Village Voice, NYC
>
>Thursday, January 16, 2002
>9:00 p.m., $7.00
>
>Chama
>332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D
>East Village, NYC
>646-654-6472
>
>"Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another."
>Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl.
>
>http://biink.com/db
>http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php
>
>
>* David Beardsley
>* http://biink.com
>* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley


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Re: NYC 1/16/2003: microtonal guitar
concert

hmmm, bizarre that this didn't directly show up as a


submission to extreme NY.  what address are you
subscribed


to the list as??





I sent it off under my own name to the list, so it should


be fine!  ("Tom Ritchford/Microtonal Just Intonation
Guitar"


just kidding!)








DAVID
BEARDSLEY

Microtonal Just Intonation guitar,

echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.


 


"Beardsley sculpts tones into
overpowering moods."

- Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, NYC




Thursday,
January 16, 2002

9:00 p.m., $7.00



Chama

332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D

East Village, NYC

646-654-6472






"Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational
tool is another."

Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville,
Fl.


 


http://biink.com/db


http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php


 


 


* David
Beardsley

* http://biink.com

* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley








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>hmmm, bizarre that this didn't directly show up as a
>submission to extreme NY.  what address are you subscribed
>to the list as??
>
>I sent it off under my own name to the list, so it should
>be fine!  ("Tom Ritchford/Microtonal Just Intonation Guitar"
>just kidding!)

WHOOPS!  This was supposed to go right to David!

    /t

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in my experience, if you use either the knob or the expression pedal to =20=

change
delay time with audio actively passing through the dl4 pedal the unit =20=

doesn't
smoothly change, instead you get a "beeooowwww" scramble (a cool effect,
but not what one wants if it's a smooth delay change effect you're =20
after) until
you settle on the new delay time. all other variable effects - =20
feedback, mix,
tweak& tweeze, all work smoothly. i particularly love the tape echo =20
noise in
some of the tape delay models and use the expression pedal to mix in and
out of blooming feedback. but again, if it's smooth speeding up or =20
slowing
down of echo delay a la "and the gods made love..." from electric =20
ladyland
you ain't gonna get it from the dl4.
bruce
i love it, honestly!

On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 12:20 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =20
wrote:

> >>Yes, you can control any parameter on the DL4 w/ an exp. pedal, =20
> including
> delay time.=A0 And it does all that cool pitch-changing you get with
> anolog-delays............ I assume this is the same thing that would
> happen with one?<<
>
> I was very happy with the effect I heard upon trying this with our two =
=20
> dl4's; I had read and reread the manual and was still convinced that =20=

> either the delay time wouldn't change at all or that it would change =20=

> notchily. in fact, there are moments when it makes noises exactly like =
=20
> a tape machine being varispeeded, or one of those old maestro units =20=

> pictured in the manual, when you'd change the delay time by dragging =20=

> the r/p head back and forth. works for me.
>
> >>well, one of the most disappointing things about the dl4 is the
> way it handles delay time changes with audio throughput<<
>
> I don't understand this comment- do you mean that you expected the =20
> delay interval to change without changing the pitch of the repeats? or =
=20
> is it that the little gaps irritate you that appear when extending the =
=20
> delay time? I use the pedal to change the swell and delay time on the =20=

> tape echo setting, and it reminds me of all the tape echoes I've ever =20=

> used. no hiccups.
>
> and meanwhile, on the EH 16s delay.... does anyone else out there =20
> remember the bel bd180? I didn't have one of those either, but our =20
> first solid-state looper was the powertran mcs-1 delay line/sampler, a =
=20
> 2U box with about 64k of memory... it could function as a crude =20
> monophonic sampler using midi or cv/gate, and could be hooked up to a =20=

> bbc computer for sample dumps, but we used it chiefly as a long =20
> delay/looper (completely unsynced). it's 8 bit and has dbx chips at =20=

> either end of the digital section in an attempt to improve the s/n =20
> ratio. also, there's an lfo that can be used to modulate the master =20=

> clock and put wobbles on the delays/loops.
>
> duncan/r.m.i.
>
>
>
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in my experience, if you use either the knob or the expression pedal
to change

delay time with audio actively passing through the dl4 pedal the unit
doesn't

smoothly change, instead you get a "beeooowwww" scramble (a cool
effect,

but not what one wants if it's a smooth delay change effect you're
after) until

you settle on the new delay time. all other variable effects -
feedback, mix,

tweak& tweeze, all work smoothly. i particularly love the tape echo
noise in

some of the tape delay models and use the expression pedal to mix in
and

out of blooming feedback. but again, if it's smooth speeding up or
slowing

down of echo delay a la "and the gods made love..." from electric
ladyland

you ain't gonna get it from the dl4.

bruce

i love it, honestly!


On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 12:20 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com
wrote:


>>Yes, you can control any parameter on the DL4 w/
an exp. pedal, including

delay time.=A0 And it does all that cool pitch-changing you get with

anolog-delays............ I assume this is the same thing that would

happen with one?<<<<


I was very happy with the effect I heard upon trying this
with our two dl4's; I had read and reread the manual and was still
convinced that either the delay time wouldn't change at all or that it
would change notchily. in fact, there are moments when it makes noises
exactly like a tape machine being varispeeded, or one of those old
maestro units pictured in the manual, when you'd change the delay time
by dragging the r/p head back and forth. works for me.


>>well, one of the most disappointing things about the dl4 is
the

way it handles delay time changes with audio throughput<<<<


I don't understand this comment- do you mean that you
expected the delay interval to change without changing the pitch of
the repeats? or is it that the little gaps irritate you that appear
when extending the delay time? I use the pedal to change the swell and
delay time on the tape echo setting, and it reminds me of all the tape
echoes I've ever used. no hiccups.


and meanwhile, on the EH 16s delay.... does anyone else out
there remember the bel bd180? I didn't have one of those either, but
our first solid-state looper was the powertran mcs-1 delay
line/sampler, a 2U box with about 64k of memory... it could function
as a crude monophonic sampler using midi or cv/gate, and could be
hooked up to a bbc computer for sample dumps, but we used it chiefly
as a long delay/looper (completely unsynced). it's 8 bit and has dbx
chips at either end of the digital section in an attempt to improve
the s/n ratio. also, there's an lfo that can be used to modulate the
master clock and put wobbles on the delays/loops.


duncan/r.m.i.




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There are a few really good compositions on that album, IMO.  However, a
bunch just seemed like wanking to me.  That's me.  Don't get me wrong, I
LOVE Adrian Belew.  I think I have everything he's released on vinyl or
disk at some point, and I'm psyched to get his first 3 albums in their
re-released form.

I don't have the interview anymore, but in it he did say something like,
"...that album was about me experimenting with a new guitar Synth from
Roland..."  I'm well aware that he had other guitar synths before that.
I've played them.  *I've played *HIS* guitar synth.  I actually got to
know him very well, as I worked for Laurie Anderson during the making of
Home of the Brave.

Anyway, I'm not out to dis him.  He's probably my biggest guitar hero /
influence.

Mark Sottilaro
(guitar synth wanker)

Scott Hansen wrote:

> can someone explain to me why we're trashing
> adrian's "desire" album? i had it on LP, copied
> it to tape to listen/enjoy it (i never owned a
> record player in my life). i always thought it
> was a good album demonstrating what technology
> was available at the time. i thought it certainly
> sounded like adrian belew. had all his quirky playing
> rhythmic sense etc. never thought it was "synth wanking"
> i can't speak for the allan h "sand"album.
> i think technology should be viewed as a tool.
> i certainly like to play w/ reverb and delay, but
> doubt that any of my stuff will sound like fripp/torn/
> frisell/belew in how they use/manipulate those tools. it's like
> using a hammer to build a house. you could decide to not
> use a hammer, and could probably do it w/a  large rock, but
> boy, it will probably take you longer, and might not be
> the most accurate house built on the block, but i bet it will
> still look "somewhat" like a house.
> and didn't the belew "desire" album kill his rep w/ the guitar/
> quirky pop world anyway? hey, he took a chance. probably marked the
> death of experimental music on major labels.
> s---
> ps-when you get a new toy, isn't it fun to play with? same
> w/ a tool-you get it to use it right?
> pps-can you really wank on a synth? wasn't sure if it's possible?
> i don't own one, nor could i play one, so i don't know.
> last qualifier: classically trained in the sense of late 20th century
> idea of fine (visual) arts (and boy what a mess that is)
> --

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In a message dated 1/14/03 10:44:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> I suggest that everyone who can try to make it to the Cayuga Vault
> on the 25th. Be there or be square. 

im sittin here cryin.....i dont want to be a square!.....can i get a 
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In a message dated 1/14/03 10:44:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:






I suggest that everyone who can try to make it to the Cayuga Vault

on the 25th. Be there or be square. 




im sittin here cryin.....i dont want to be a square!.....can i get a shirt?.....coolness ricardo.....michael

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> Stan Card wrote:
> 
>> if this dont beat all-
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=250017896
>> 5+
> 
> Gee, I wish mine could do all the things he claims his can do. (-8
> 
> John McIntyre


sorry john-are you being sarcastic er wot...or humorous-its so hard to
detect on line where theres is no sense of inflection or tone...
stan

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--- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/14/03 10:44:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:
>
> > I suggest that everyone who can try to make it to the Cayuga Vault
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> 
> im sittin here cryin.....i dont want to be a square!.....can i get a 
> shirt?.....coolness ricardo.....michael

Dang! Not again. 

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Doug wrote:
> > >"classically trained"

> i took violin lessons as a child using the Suzuki methods
>... is that considered classical training?

I've had 20 years of training in Indian classical music, all of which has
involved sitting for rote lessons at my teacher's house.  Does this mean I'm
"house-trained"?  ;-)

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----- Original Message -----
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> Doug wrote:
> > > >"classically trained"
>
> > i took violin lessons as a child using the Suzuki methods
> >... is that considered classical training?
>
> I've had 20 years of training in Indian classical music, all of which has
> involved sitting for rote lessons at my teacher's house.  Does this mean
I'm
> "house-trained"?  ;-)

Yes. For House Concerts too! (bad ICM joke)


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stephen wrote:



And, I must add, am I a member of MENSA, although Beethoven was a personal
friend of mine.

Rick Walker (Dorian Gray of the Live Looping Scene)

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rick's got a portrait hidden in his closet that
turns more and more dayglo with each performance...


>... 
> Rick Walker (Dorian Gray of the Live Looping Scene)
> 

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** Resent to list. I don't know why, but sometimes when I click reply, 
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> so how does a musician become "classically trained"? does this mean 
> some
> minimum of standard for specific musical skills (instrument playing
> capabilities, sight reading, arranging, playing specific pieces to a
> standard, etc)

It normally involves brainwashing from an early age, with a lot of 
theory and technique. The brainwashing can become so instilled in your 
soul, that creative freedom can often be hindered... I know many very 
good classically trained musicians who have virtually no 
improvisational skills. They can only play what is written in front of 
them... but they do that well (unlike myself).

I had classical training from the age of 6 up until 16, whereby I 
stopped completely, and discovered drugs, life and emotive freedom. If 
I had stayed as a strict classical player, then I don't think that I 
could do what I am doing now.

> i took violin lessons as a child using the Suzuki methods ... is that
> considered classical training?

Yes and no. The Suzuki method is great, as it involves mostly practical 
work, and playing by ear. I never studied the Suziki method, but I know 
many a great improvisor who started that way....
-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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>From Rick Walker:

>Matt Davignon without his primitive 2 second stomp box antiquated digital 
>delays.  Na!!!

Actually, the stomp boxes are FOUR seconds (simpsons comic book guy voice).
And my field recording shows don't use 'em.

I can give them up any time I want. They just give me that extra kick I need 
to get out of bed in the morning!


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Hi Learned Gents (mostly)--
I never received the benefit of a proper music education, but it seems to me
that, had I gotten a Bachelor of Arts degree from a four year school, not
only would I be "classically training" but I would have a repertoire of
"classic music", that is, music from (several) classic period (s)--oh, let's
say, UCSD in San Diego.  So let's ask an expert, one who has gone beyond the
four year mark, and see if said education has hindered his musicality.
Whaddaya say, Dr. Z, are you classically trained?  Do you ever play
"classical" music?
Also, here's some loop content--what classics do ANY of you loopers
integrate into your performances?  Any familiar tunes pop up?  Is everybody
improvising?
Gotta go--UPS guy just brought the used MPX G2.  Does anybody know why dt
doesn't use one of these?
Gary


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>In my own music creations, I take great satisfaction in the refinement
>of it.  The notion that mistakes are allowed (maybe even encouraged?) is
>tough for me.  Even though I too have a grad degree, my approach
>probably has more to do with who I am than what my own particular
>educational.
>
The conservatory system places an emphasis on "correctness" in playing.  Many of my music school compatriots are afraid of improvisation since it might mean playing an incorrect note.  This is understandable to an extent, because one of the major components of a symphony audition is a precise and correct rendering of the music on the page.  I was just lucky that I had a lot of experience in improvisation before I started formal training, it helped me avoid that pitfall.  (studying a lot of composition was important too)

The beauty of improvisation (IMHO) is that there is no such thing as a mistake, it's just a motivation into a new direction :)

If you make a mistake, repeat it so everyone knows you meant it that way!

   Kevin

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matt d said
> Actually, the stomp boxes are FOUR seconds (simpsons comic book guy voice).
> And my field recording shows don't use 'em.
> 
> I can give them up any time I want. They just give me that extra kick I need
> to get out of bed in the morning!


hey matt that was a nice picture of you in the 'bay gaurdian' last week...
as loopers move more and more into the limelight.
s

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>Do you ever play "classical" music?
>Also, here's some loop content--what classics do ANY of you loopers
>integrate into your performances?  Any familiar tunes pop up?  Is 
>everybody improvising?
>

My solo cello shows are more sound art than music I guess.  Every once in a while I'll toss in some snippets of Bach, Kodaly or Crumb to see if anyone notices (they don't).  I've done more musical improvisations in my solo bass shows, but I think because (in my head) it's harder to think of it in a less directly musical way (those damn frets).

I've composed some very loose pieces for small ensembles where it's in more of a musical improvisation style.

I really admire Stuart Wyatts ability to mix textures into very musical improvisations.  I need to spend more time thinking about that direction with my cello and electronics.

this is probably the most I've posted to the list in a short time period in the last X years since I've been on it.

    Kevin


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In a message dated 1/13/2003 7:08:03 PM Central Standard Time, 
GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


> insecurity factor of NAMM
> 
Now that is probably true (and very funny) but there are some of us that are 
secure yet still slap & pop everything we touch ... maybe for me its just due 
to being behind the times from being secluded in Montana but I like what I 
like!

Thanks,
9:
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insecurity factor of NAMM




Now that is probably true (and very funny) but there are some of us that are secure yet still slap & pop everything we touch ... maybe for me its just due to being behind the times from being secluded in Montana but I like what I like!



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> > insecurity factor of NAMM
> > 
> Now that is probably true (and very funny) but there
> are some of us that are 
> secure yet still slap & pop everything we touch ...
> maybe for me its just due 
> to being behind the times from being secluded in
> Montana but I like what I 
> like!

i'm with you...i once read the best advice ever from a
vic wooten column (although it could have been another
player of just as high caliber)...

he said in response to a question about what a young
player should do since his band doesn't like him to
slap and tap and experiment on his bass, that he
should go find another band.  i agree with that.  i
play with tons of different players.  sometimes i'm
chill and other times i'm looking to create new ideas
and sounds and that's who i am as a musician and doing
anything else in my mind would be compromising my
integrity.

oh and for you others heading out to NAMM, stop by
booth number 6985.  Unfortunately, due to some last
minute complications, i will not be at the show...but
one of the basses that we are carrying will be.  it is
called the mbass and built by Marleuax (from germany).
 it is a quality instrument and is written up in
february bass player.  i'd love to hear all of your
thoughts on it, so stop by, plug in...grab a flyer and
drop an email or post to the list.

peace and bass, evan

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Tim Nelson wrote:
I felt that the unique
> personality that normally comes through in
> Holdsworth's playing was suppressed and smothered by
> the SynthAxe, and couldn't help but wonder how those
> same tunes would sound had he not been using the
> thing.

It's not the technology that would be the problem, but the fact
that it's a differernt instrument, like a trumpeter picking up a sax.



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At 4:09 PM -0800 1/14/03, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:

>Dr. Z, are you classically trained?

Not really. Other than a year of trumpet lessons in fifth grade I 
never studied an instrument. I picked up guitar on my own and took 
lessons only after I'd played professionally for several years. 
During my undergraduate years I took four music classes. One of these 
was a basic survey course (basic theory, ear training, and music 
history), one was a composer/performer workshop, and two were a 
sequence of counterpoint and harmony theory classes (the teacher was 
good, though, and later ended up directing the Eastman School). A few 
years later I undertook music study full time at a community college. 
Although this was a lower division curriculum, the faculty was quite 
good. I learned enough and built enough of a portfolio to be accepted 
with a Regents Fellowship to the composition program at UCSD. I faked 
my way through this to some extent but managed to earn a doctorate in 
five years.

On the question of whether classical studies can put a damper on an 
artist's native creativity, I'd have to say that it certainly CAN 
happen but that it doesn't have to. I personally went through about a 
year of arrested development when I focused more attention on 
deterministic notation-based composition when my natural proclivities 
were to use improvisational processes in the context of intermedia 
theater. I sorted it out in time and spent the rest of my doctoral 
program creating theater works that didn't use any musical notation. 
This might be viewed by some as a bit of cheating, but my feeling is 
that I put together the kind of graduate curriculum I needed to 
support my creative work and that it just happened to fall within the 
music program.


>Do you ever play "classical" music?

No, but I did sing in several choral groups during 1975-79. The 
groups ranged in size from an octet to a large group comprised of two 
college choirs joining forces on Verdi's Manzoni Requiem. The best of 
these ensembles was the Cabrillo College Chamber singers, under the 
direction of Dr. Allen Illick. This was quite an accomplished group 
of 18-20 voices. Our repertoire ranged from Renaissance motets by 
Ockeghem, Lassus, Palestrina, et al.to 20th century works by Poulenc, 
William Schuman, and various jazz composer/arrangers. I normally sang 
bass, though I also faked my way as a first tenor for the Verdi.

>Also, here's some loop content--what classics do ANY of you loopers
>integrate into your performances?  Any familiar tunes pop up?  Is everybody
>improvising?

Since most of my recent performances have been based on commercial 
recordings, there is always a mix of "classic" works. Some of these 
are "classical" in the common sense of being pieces of art from the 
Renaissance through the 20th century. Some are "classic" in the sense 
of being significant "oldies" in a particular genre. Therefore any 
given performance might have Gabrielli, Bach, and Satie comingling 
with Stockhausen, Xenakis, and Cage or Dick Dale, the Who, or Dion. 
My performances are almost always improvised but are not always 
completely "blank slate" improvisations. I select source materials 
and practice with them in the days leading up to the gig. Then I 
spend as much time as possible fine-tuning on the day of the 
performance. I usually have the source CDs (and sometimes cassettes) 
laid out in a rough order, but from the moment the master fade comes 
up I'm winging it.
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I just love all the whereases in the Mayoral proclamation.


I used to live in Santa Cruz-- a unique and wonderful place. When I got back
into the US in Feb/ March 2001, after 4.5 years in Japan, I went to SC to
visit some friends, and there on the marquee of the Rio theater saw the
words "Bass Looping Festival."  How sad I was to have missed it, but how
jazzed to see that something like that had taken place.

Anyway, it's cool to now be on the list and be watching from afar (Boston)
the continuing events in Santa Cruz.

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on 1/14/03 8:24 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote:

Hi Gang,

I'm very excited to announce that our new Mayor, Emily Reilly
has declared

Saturday, January 25th

to be

"International Live Looping Day" in the City of Santa Cruz!!!!




CITY OF SANTA CRUZ CALIFORNIA
   MAYOR'S PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS

THERE HAVE BEEN 21 FESTIVALS OF LIVE DIGITAL
LOOPING IN, OR PRODUCED FROM, THE CITY OF
SANTA CRUZ IN THE LAST THREE YEARS and

WHEREAS

THOSE LOOPING FESTIVALS HAVE INSPIRED MANY
OTHER CITIES AROUND THE NATION AND AROUND
THE WORLD TO HOST THEIR OWN LIVE LOOPING
FESTIVALS; and

WHEREAS

SANTA CRUZ HAS BEEN CALLED "THE LOOPING
CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE" BY FAMED U.K.
LOOPER AND SOLO BASSIST, STEVE LAWSON; and

WHEREAS

SANTA CRUZ WAS THE SITE OF THE LARGEST
GATHERING OF LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS IN HISTORY,
WHERE 48 LOOPING ARTISTS FROM ALL OVER
THE COUNTRY AND STATE PARTICIPATED IN 22
HOURS OF CONTINUOUS LOOPING FOR TWO DAYS
ON TWO STAGES AT THE Y2K2 LOOPFEST; and

WHEREAS

THERE ARE 17 LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS IN THE CITY OF SANTA CRUZ WHICH IS THE
LARGEST PER CAPITA GROUP OF LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS OF ANY CITY ON EARTH; and
WHEREAS SOME OF THOSE LOOPING ARTISTS ARE CONSIDERED
TO BE AMONGST THE MOST RESPECTED LOOPING ARTISTS IN THE INTERNATIONAL LIVE
LOOPING MOVEMENT TODAY; and

WHEREAS

ON JANUARY 25, 2003, THE CAYUGA VAULT WILL BE HOSTING THE LOOPING TRIO TOUR,
COMPOSED OF SOME OF THE MOST RESPECTED LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS IN THE
INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING SCENE TODAY, ANDRE LaFOSSE (FROM LOS ANGELES) AND
STEVE LAWSON (FROM LONDON) ALONG WITH TWO SANTA CRUZ LOOPERS, RICK AND BILL
WALKER:

NOW, THEREFORE


I, EMILY REILLY, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SANTA CRUZ,
DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SATURDAY, JANUARY 25, 2003
AS "INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY" IN THE CITY
OF SANTA CRUZ AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO SUPPORT
THE LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS OF SANTA CRUZ FOR THEIR
TIRELESS WORK TO FURTHER THE CAUSE OF THIS
IMPORTANT EMERGING MUSICAL ARTFORM.





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Re: LIVE INTERNATIONAL LOOPING DAY in Santa Cruz, California


I just love all the whereases in the Mayoral proclamation.





I used to live in Santa Cruz-- a unique and wonderful place. When I got bac=
k into the US in Feb/ March 2001, after 4.5 years in Japan, I went to SC to =
visit some friends, and there on the marquee of the Rio theater saw the word=
s "Bass Looping Festival."  How sad I was to have missed it, =
but how jazzed to see that something like that had taken place.



Anyway, it's cool to now be on the list and be watching from afar (Boston) =
the continuing events in Santa Cruz.



d



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on 1/14/03 8:24 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote:




Hi Gang,



I'm very excited to announce that our new Mayor, Emily Reilly

has declared



Saturday, January 25th



to be



"International Live Looping Day" in the City of Santa Cruz!!!!








CITY OF SANTA CRUZ CALIFORNIA

    MAYOR'S PROCLAMATION



WHEREAS



THERE HAVE BEEN 21 FESTIVALS OF LIVE DIGITAL

LOOPING IN, OR PRODUCED FROM, THE CITY OF

SANTA CRUZ IN THE LAST THREE YEARS and



WHEREAS



THOSE LOOPING FESTIVALS HAVE INSPIRED MANY

OTHER CITIES AROUND THE NATION AND AROUND

THE WORLD TO HOST THEIR OWN LIVE LOOPING

FESTIVALS; and



WHEREAS



SANTA CRUZ HAS BEEN CALLED "THE LOOPING

CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE" BY FAMED U.K.

LOOPER AND SOLO BASSIST, STEVE LAWSON; and



WHEREAS



SANTA CRUZ WAS THE SITE OF THE LARGEST

GATHERING OF LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS IN HISTORY,

WHERE 48 LOOPING ARTISTS FROM ALL OVER

THE COUNTRY AND STATE PARTICIPATED IN 22

HOURS OF CONTINUOUS LOOPING FOR TWO DAYS

ON TWO STAGES AT THE Y2K2 LOOPFEST; and



WHEREAS



THERE ARE 17 LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS IN THE CITY OF SANTA CRUZ WHICH IS THE
LARGEST PER CAPITA GROUP OF LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS OF ANY CITY ON EARTH; and<=
BR>
WHEREAS SOME OF THOSE LOOPING ARTISTS ARE CONSIDERED

TO BE AMONGST THE MOST RESPECTED LOOPING ARTISTS IN THE INTERNATIONAL LIVE<=
BR>
LOOPING MOVEMENT TODAY; and



WHEREAS



ON JANUARY 25, 2003, THE CAYUGA VAULT WILL BE HOSTING THE LOOPING TRIO TOUR=
,

COMPOSED OF SOME OF THE MOST RESPECTED LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS IN THE

INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING SCENE TODAY, ANDRE LaFOSSE (FROM LOS ANGELES) AN=
D

STEVE LAWSON (FROM LONDON) ALONG WITH TWO SANTA CRUZ LOOPERS, RICK AND BILL=


WALKER:



NOW, THEREFORE





I, EMILY REILLY, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SANTA CRUZ,

DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SATURDAY, JANUARY 25, 2003

AS "INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY" IN THE CITY

OF SANTA CRUZ AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO SUPPORT

THE LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS OF SANTA CRUZ FOR THEIR

TIRELESS WORK TO FURTHER THE CAUSE OF THIS

IMPORTANT EMERGING MUSICAL ARTFORM.












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beautifully put.

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on 1/13/03 6:40 PM, matt davignon at mattdavignon@hotmail.com wrote:

Yeah, some people are a little over-dependent on knobs & loops, but look how
dependent the rest of us are on strings and frets, or being able to press a
button on a piano and have a beautiful note automatically come out!

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beautifully put.



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dependent the rest of us are on strings and frets, or being able to press a=
 

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Thanks Richard, very much what I was looking for.  Question, tho--why don't
you loop vocals live?
Gary


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Okay. So, I can spend $599 and get an EDP and spend another $100 and get
LoopIV from Aurisis.

Or I can spend $849 and get an EDP+.

What does this get me besides: (a) black and (b) round buttons?

Mark

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At 8:39 PM -0800 1/14/03, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
>Thanks Richard, very much what I was looking for.  Question, tho--why don't
>you loop vocals live?

I have done. A lot of my early tape work used voice as source 
material. Some of this was looped, some layered and processed in more 
of a through-composed way. Then in 1980 I got involved with Diamanda 
Galas and did a lot of work with voice and electronic processing. 
Most of this was not looped, but there was a lot of delay processing, 
both live and in the studio. The one piece that did feature prominent 
looping was Panoptikon (1982). The backing tape is made almost 
entirely of processed voice, and there are some rhythmic layers 
constructed from tape loops pitched down one and two octaves.

In the period A.D. (after Diamanda) I did some live looping with 
actors and singers. I first started doing this in a 1990 performance 
of Stockhausen's "Originale" in San Francisco. There were several 
actors whose voices I could capture, harmonize, and loop at will. 
Electro-chanteuse Pamela Z was also in this production and her voice 
also went into my digital hopper. Ms. Z and I performed together 
twice more after that, in the joint project that also included David 
Zicarelli - "The Z Concert" in San Francisco (1991) and in the 
SonicWorks Festival in Houston (1992).

During the late '90s I was part of an electroacoustic band called 
Cosmic Debris in Los Angeles. We called our performance "bag" Ambient 
Groove and Spoken Word. I processed the other members through my 
Eventides, and since the front person was an actor I had plenty of 
opportunity to disasterize his voice. One of the more successful 
pieces combined a "bed" of long (10-11") regenerating delays of his 
voice along with on-the-fly sampling and playback of spoken phrases. 
Unlike much loop music, this was quite dynamic and interactive. I'd 
capture phrases of different lengths and I'd bring the recycling 
delay layers in and out to match the dramatic phrasing of the vocal 
performance.

That group dissolved a few years ago and I haven't found a vocal 
performer I'd like to work with, though I did do some off-the-cuff 
sampling of Rick Walker's voice at Woodstockhausen summer before last.
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Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
> Also, here's some loop content--what classics do ANY of you loopers
> integrate into your performances?  Any familiar tunes pop up?  Is everybody
> improvising?

Gymnopedie #1 -- Erik Satie
Allemande, Lute Suite #1 in Em -- Bach
Various bits and pieces of the Villa Lobos guitar works

The point for me to play a classical or jazz tune in a looping context 
is to deconstruct that familiar sound into the new and unfamiliar.

Usually I improvise, or play original compositions. I've also written 
part of an orchestral piece -- sadly unperformed :-( -- that imitates a 
long delay line with the string sections cut into 8 or so pieces each.

D.G.

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your orchestral piece sounds like it would be really cool. I think it's
interesting when technology and its expressions become so "organic"/
intrinsic to our experience that we start to reproduce them via non-tech
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Hi ho, list,

Sync, and BrotherSync in particular, is a big blind spot for me in my
EDP knowledge.  As I'm getting ready to do a string of shows with three
and even four-EDP ensembles, I'm wondering if anyone can explain a good
way to get more than two BrotherSync'd at the same time?

I know a stereo 1/4" cable is the norm for BrotherSync, but what's the
best way to go about getting more than two EDP's sync'd up?  I assume
some sort of splitter would be the way to get more than two in sync at
the same time...?

And do things like Startsong and/or ReAlign messages work with BrotherSync?

Big thanks to anyone who can offer some insights...

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the artist formerly know as:
Gregory Bruce Campbell wrote:

"Now that is probably true (and very funny) but there are some of us that
are secure yet still slap & pop everything we touch ... maybe for me its
just due to being behind the times from being secluded in Montana but I like
what I like!"

Ahhhhh, you know me by now, Gregory..............I didn't really mean to put
down the technique, but more the hilarity of the predictability
of the manifestation of insecurity at NAMM.

I actually slap and pop my basses too (when no one's looking of
course.........;-)

keep doing it bro.................artistically, one cannot be 'behind the
times' I believe

I support all human beings' artistry (whether I actually purchase it or
not).

I'm serious...........it is a blessing to create in my book.

I had a pretty little kid come up to me and buy my CD after my Found and
Invented Sound Festival performance and his mom just told me that he listens
to it everyday, has gotten out every pot and pan in the house to bang on and
asked her for a looper for Christmas...
............made my whole friggin' day to hear that........ :-)



yours, Rick


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someone, I think it was Gary Lehman wrote:

"Also, here's some loop content--what classics do ANY of you loopers
integrate into your performances?  Any familiar tunes pop up?  Is everybody
improvising?"

On my first CD (he confesses for the first time) I used a beautiful string
orchestra snippet from Samuel Barber's 'Adagio for Strings' as a loop on the
final track of that CD called "The Sadness of Leaving".  I have a strong
preference for never using
anyone else's loops in my compositions but this one just really had the
emotion that I was feeling at the time in it.

I wrote that song when I found out that one of my good friends (and a
brilliant musician
and occasional loopist) Michael Haumesser (aka NOT MICHAEL) was leaving
Santa Cruz for Rhode Island.  We had been friends for 20 years and I knew
that he was leaving for good.  That piece still brings tears to my eyes, as
simple as it is.


this is why I would take a little bit of exception to Stuart Wyatt's
comments about
classical training and how it can be detrimental to creativity.

Who is to argue with the greatness of Pierre Boulez conducting the New York
Philharmonic
performing Bartok's CONCERTO FOR ORCHESTRA?

or the sublime genius of Sir Adrian Boult conducting the New Philharmonium
Orchestra
performing Ralph Vaugh Williams THE LARK ASCENDING?

or Stravinsky conducing his own FIREBIRD SUITE?

There were probably numerous stereotypically stiff, non-improvising
classically trained
musicians in those orchestras but the results are not only brilliant but
have
made my own life a little more worth living (especially during some hard
emotional times
when I was younger).

It's all good guys and gals!!!!

see ya all at NAMM............wear those L.D. t-shirts proudly!!!!

Rick Walker




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I just listened to the news about Pete Townsend jesus,
is this just celebrity sensationalism or for real?
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On Wednesday, Jan 15, 2003, at 10:07 Europe/Stockholm, Louie Angulo 
wrote:

> I just listened to the news about Pete Townsend jesus,
> is this just celebrity sensationalism or for real?
> cheers
> L.a

http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,874192,00.html

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It comes down to a couple of actual facts, which are certainly never
reported as much as the wild speculation and insinuation preferred by the
press in the UK.  So far this morning, Pete's still not been charged with
anything, and he's out on bail, as well as volunteered his PC and CDs for
police examination.  No word after several days as to whether or not the
coppers actually found anything.  The only fact involved so far is the
acquisition of his credit card info by an apparently notorious child porn
web site running out of Texas, that was recently shut down.  Most Americans
have already heard about how the Postal Service not only has their own
police force, but also has run stings in even "straight" porn, placing ads
in magazines for mail-order and 900 numbers - and anyone who gets in touch
with them is apparently guilty as hell, even if they were just mildly
curious and decided to mail/call.

It was the US Postal Service that gave Pete Townshend's info to the police
in the UK, having found his credit card data in their culling through the
confiscated stuff from the Texas bust.  It's unfortunate and also
unfortunately typical that British Tabloids (which include the Guardian by
the way) have decided to convict him before any evidence beyond this single
fact has been found - but if one reads the articles (if one knows how to
sift through all the innuendo, vagueries and scandalous non-facts that is)
you'll find that the only facts so far involve the credit card data, and
Pete's handing over his PC and CDs before being asked to do so.

I think back however on the fact that quasi-paedophilic material has been
openly marketed to the world-at-large (and especially in the US) publicly
and without any criticism whatsoever for years upon years.  Remember "Bugsy
Malone"?  Jon-Benet Ramsey's cavorting in full makeup etc?  So now, after
years of this, a few folks being human get a little curious about it (and by
this I don't obviously mean paedophiles), and not being on kiddy-porn
mailing lists, go to a site to see what is going on, and get prompted to
enter their credit card data.  Theoretically it could be as simple as that.
I recall that Pete Townshend not only has worked with anti-child abuse
organizations in the past, but has said that he was abused himself as a
child.  Many songs from "Tommy" ("Fiddle About" and "The Acid Queen" come to
mind) might then have greater perspective, yes?

If you think about it though, all of those 'age-verification' routines
involve a credit card.  It might have been something as seemingly innocuous
as this that yielded Pete Townshend's credit card data - which as you should
know is not presented as the same thing as paying for entrance to such a
site.  Perhaps the Postal Service and the screaming puritans running their
private police force think otherwise, and have decided to present such as
the exact opposite.  In the meantime the stingee swings in the media wind,
convicted by proxy and innuendo.

Before the Internet, British tabloids didn't tend to be read outside the UK,
though their antics were certainly infamous world-wide.  Now they might have
to improve their responsibility factor, and live up to the standards held by
the legitimate press.  You'd think that having a good deal to do with the
exascerbated conditions leading up to Princess Di's death would have caused
this to occur.  But then I'm probably wrong.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Tibert" <tibbe@pi.se>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 09:25:AM
Subject: Re: whats up with Pete Townsend?


>
> On Wednesday, Jan 15, 2003, at 10:07 Europe/Stockholm, Louie Angulo
> wrote:
>
> > I just listened to the news about Pete Townsend jesus,
> > is this just celebrity sensationalism or for real?
> > cheers
> > L.a
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,874192,00.html
>
>
>
>
>

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man,i guess fame does has its price doesn´t it?
cheers
l.a












> It comes down to a couple of actual facts, which are
> certainly never
> reported as much as the wild speculation and
> insinuation preferred by the
> press in the UK.  So far this morning, Pete's still
> not been charged with
> anything, and he's out on bail, as well as
> volunteered his PC and CDs for
> police examination.  No word after several days as
> to whether or not the
> coppers actually found anything.  The only fact
> involved so far is the
> acquisition of his credit card info by an apparently
> notorious child porn
> web site running out of Texas, that was recently
> shut down.  Most Americans
> have already heard about how the Postal Service not
> only has their own
> police force, but also has run stings in even
> "straight" porn, placing ads
> in magazines for mail-order and 900 numbers - and
> anyone who gets in touch
> with them is apparently guilty as hell, even if they
> were just mildly
> curious and decided to mail/call.
> 
> It was the US Postal Service that gave Pete
> Townshend's info to the police
> in the UK, having found his credit card data in
> their culling through the
> confiscated stuff from the Texas bust.  It's
> unfortunate and also
> unfortunately typical that British Tabloids (which
> include the Guardian by
> the way) have decided to convict him before any
> evidence beyond this single
> fact has been found - but if one reads the articles
> (if one knows how to
> sift through all the innuendo, vagueries and
> scandalous non-facts that is)
> you'll find that the only facts so far involve the
> credit card data, and
> Pete's handing over his PC and CDs before being
> asked to do so.
> 
> I think back however on the fact that
> quasi-paedophilic material has been
> openly marketed to the world-at-large (and
> especially in the US) publicly
> and without any criticism whatsoever for years upon
> years.  Remember "Bugsy
> Malone"?  Jon-Benet Ramsey's cavorting in full
> makeup etc?  So now, after
> years of this, a few folks being human get a little
> curious about it (and by
> this I don't obviously mean paedophiles), and not
> being on kiddy-porn
> mailing lists, go to a site to see what is going on,
> and get prompted to
> enter their credit card data.  Theoretically it
> could be as simple as that.
> I recall that Pete Townshend not only has worked
> with anti-child abuse
> organizations in the past, but has said that he was
> abused himself as a
> child.  Many songs from "Tommy" ("Fiddle About" and
> "The Acid Queen" come to
> mind) might then have greater perspective, yes?
> 
> If you think about it though, all of those
> 'age-verification' routines
> involve a credit card.  It might have been something
> as seemingly innocuous
> as this that yielded Pete Townshend's credit card
> data - which as you should
> know is not presented as the same thing as paying
> for entrance to such a
> site.  Perhaps the Postal Service and the screaming
> puritans running their
> private police force think otherwise, and have
> decided to present such as
> the exact opposite.  In the meantime the stingee
> swings in the media wind,
> convicted by proxy and innuendo.
> 
> Before the Internet, British tabloids didn't tend to
> be read outside the UK,
> though their antics were certainly infamous
> world-wide.  Now they might have
> to improve their responsibility factor, and live up
> to the standards held by
> the legitimate press.  You'd think that having a
> good deal to do with the
> exascerbated conditions leading up to Princess Di's
> death would have caused
> this to occur.  But then I'm probably wrong.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Tibert" <tibbe@pi.se>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 09:25:AM
> Subject: Re: whats up with Pete Townsend?
> 
> 
> >
> > On Wednesday, Jan 15, 2003, at 10:07
> Europe/Stockholm, Louie Angulo
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I just listened to the news about Pete Townsend
> jesus,
> > > is this just celebrity sensationalism or for
> real?
> > > cheers
> > > L.a
> >
> >
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,874192,00.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 


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To answer that flip remark, No.  We haven't been told about the "ordinary"
people who've been nailed in this situation, nor have we been told about
enough details to make a judgement call on it.  I must admit wondering why
we've only seen Elton John saying something in his defense, at the AMA
recently.  I don't know whether that says a lot about Pete Townshend's other
so-called friends, or the media being selective with their data.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Louie Angulo" <laab2000us@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:50:AM
Subject: Re: whats up with Pete Townsend?


>
> man,i guess fame does has its price doesn´t it?
> cheers
> l.a
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > It comes down to a couple of actual facts, which are
> > certainly never
> > reported as much as the wild speculation and
> > insinuation preferred by the
> > press in the UK.  So far this morning, Pete's still
> > not been charged with
> > anything, and he's out on bail, as well as
> > volunteered his PC and CDs for
> > police examination.  No word after several days as
> > to whether or not the
> > coppers actually found anything.  The only fact
> > involved so far is the
> > acquisition of his credit card info by an apparently
> > notorious child porn
> > web site running out of Texas, that was recently
> > shut down.  Most Americans
> > have already heard about how the Postal Service not
> > only has their own
> > police force, but also has run stings in even
> > "straight" porn, placing ads
> > in magazines for mail-order and 900 numbers - and
> > anyone who gets in touch
> > with them is apparently guilty as hell, even if they
> > were just mildly
> > curious and decided to mail/call.
> >
> > It was the US Postal Service that gave Pete
> > Townshend's info to the police
> > in the UK, having found his credit card data in
> > their culling through the
> > confiscated stuff from the Texas bust.  It's
> > unfortunate and also
> > unfortunately typical that British Tabloids (which
> > include the Guardian by
> > the way) have decided to convict him before any
> > evidence beyond this single
> > fact has been found - but if one reads the articles
> > (if one knows how to
> > sift through all the innuendo, vagueries and
> > scandalous non-facts that is)
> > you'll find that the only facts so far involve the
> > credit card data, and
> > Pete's handing over his PC and CDs before being
> > asked to do so.
> >
> > I think back however on the fact that
> > quasi-paedophilic material has been
> > openly marketed to the world-at-large (and
> > especially in the US) publicly
> > and without any criticism whatsoever for years upon
> > years.  Remember "Bugsy
> > Malone"?  Jon-Benet Ramsey's cavorting in full
> > makeup etc?  So now, after
> > years of this, a few folks being human get a little
> > curious about it (and by
> > this I don't obviously mean paedophiles), and not
> > being on kiddy-porn
> > mailing lists, go to a site to see what is going on,
> > and get prompted to
> > enter their credit card data.  Theoretically it
> > could be as simple as that.
> > I recall that Pete Townshend not only has worked
> > with anti-child abuse
> > organizations in the past, but has said that he was
> > abused himself as a
> > child.  Many songs from "Tommy" ("Fiddle About" and
> > "The Acid Queen" come to
> > mind) might then have greater perspective, yes?
> >
> > If you think about it though, all of those
> > 'age-verification' routines
> > involve a credit card.  It might have been something
> > as seemingly innocuous
> > as this that yielded Pete Townshend's credit card
> > data - which as you should
> > know is not presented as the same thing as paying
> > for entrance to such a
> > site.  Perhaps the Postal Service and the screaming
> > puritans running their
> > private police force think otherwise, and have
> > decided to present such as
> > the exact opposite.  In the meantime the stingee
> > swings in the media wind,
> > convicted by proxy and innuendo.
> >
> > Before the Internet, British tabloids didn't tend to
> > be read outside the UK,
> > though their antics were certainly infamous
> > world-wide.  Now they might have
> > to improve their responsibility factor, and live up
> > to the standards held by
> > the legitimate press.  You'd think that having a
> > good deal to do with the
> > exascerbated conditions leading up to Princess Di's
> > death would have caused
> > this to occur.  But then I'm probably wrong.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Tibert" <tibbe@pi.se>
> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 09:25:AM
> > Subject: Re: whats up with Pete Townsend?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, Jan 15, 2003, at 10:07
> > Europe/Stockholm, Louie Angulo
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just listened to the news about Pete Townsend
> > jesus,
> > > > is this just celebrity sensationalism or for
> > real?
> > > > cheers
> > > > L.a
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,874192,00.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Hi Andre!

There's a brief discussion of the use of BrotherSync and ReAlign on page 39
(Chapter 5) of the Loop IV upgrade manual.  It mentions some known issues
with ReAlign when using more than 2 EDPs BrotherSynced together.

Hope that helps some.

Doug
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> Hi ho, list,
>
> Sync, and BrotherSync in particular, is a big blind spot for me in my
> EDP knowledge.  As I'm getting ready to do a string of shows with three
> and even four-EDP ensembles, I'm wondering if anyone can explain a good
> way to get more than two BrotherSync'd at the same time?
>
> I know a stereo 1/4" cable is the norm for BrotherSync, but what's the
> best way to go about getting more than two EDP's sync'd up?  I assume
> some sort of splitter would be the way to get more than two in sync at
> the same time...?
>
> And do things like Startsong and/or ReAlign messages work with
BrotherSync?
>
> Big thanks to anyone who can offer some insights...
>
> --Andre LaFosse
> http://www.altruistmusic.com
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>   Many songs from "Tommy" ("Fiddle About" and "The Acid Queen" come to
> mind) might then have greater perspective, yes?

Fiddle About was written by John Entwistle.


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Oh, you must have thought that I was silly enough to think that Pete wrote
everything the Who did, huh?  Ennh!

>
> >   Many songs from "Tommy" ("Fiddle About" and "The Acid Queen" come to
> > mind) might then have greater perspective, yes?
>
> Fiddle About was written by John Entwistle.
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>>I think back however on the fact that quasi-paedophilic material has been openly marketed to the world-at-large (and especially in the US) publicly and without any criticism whatsoever for years upon years.  Remember "Bugsy Malone"?  Jon-Benet Ramsey's cavorting in full makeup etc?....Before the Internet, British tabloids didn't tend to be read outside the UK........
You'd think that having a good deal to do with the exascerbated conditions leading up to Princess Di's death would have caused this to occur.  But then I'm probably wrong.<<

the British tabloids make most of us right-minded Brits sick to the stomach with this kind of hypocrisy; they'll hound townshend for this unless there's the most spectacular and convincing proof of his innocence, while two pages further in they've got some topless 16 year-old full page full colour. if it's any consolation, I've been to townshend's studio and spoken with people he employs, and the impression I retain is that he's one of the good guys; I believe what he's reported to have said re the research story. as for diana- absolutely. those same scumbags were running anti-dodi smears only a week earlier and, whatever one might think of royalty/aristocracy/spolit brats generally, the behaviour of the "popular" press in these and other matters makes a good case for the end of this genre of printed "journalism" with it's confusion of fact and opinion. ironically, david sullivan's "sport" line of publications offers a sordid but honest mixture of enquirer-style made-up stories and outrageous soft-porn that is plainly supposed to entertain rather than inform. the problem with other newspapers is that they can't tell the difference anymore and leap headlong into this prurience-chasing while openly encouraging "bad" behaviour in the same pages. fuck 'em.

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t tend to be read outside the UK........



You'd think that having a good deal to do with the exasce=
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to occur.  But then I'm probably wrong.<<



the British tabloids make most of us right-minded Brits s=
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 this unless there's the most spectacular and convincing proof of his innoc=
ence, while two pages further in they've got some topless 16 year-old full =
page full colour. if it's any consolation, I've been to townshend's studio =
and spoken with people he employs, and the impression I retain is that he's=
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; press in these and other matters makes a good case for the end of this ge=
nre of printed "journalism" with it's confusion of fact and opini=
on. ironically, david sullivan's "sport" line of publications off=
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Stan Card wrote:

> > Stan Card wrote:
> >
> >> if this dont beat all-
> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=250017896
> >> 5+
> >
> > Gee, I wish mine could do all the things he claims his can do. (-8
> >
> > John McIntyre
>
> sorry john-are you being sarcastic er wot...or humorous-its so hard to
> detect on line where theres is no sense of inflection or tone...

Yes, I was being sarcastic, hence the smiley at the end.  I read his description of
layers of loops, and I don't know what he is talking about.  The EH can hold one
loop, and you can play on top of that loop.  But what you are playing on top is
real time; it cannot be looped.  There is only one loop going, and to my simple
mind that is not "layers" of loops.  I would think that someone who did not know
what they were getting and relied on the seller's description would be in for a
surprise.

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... get ME out of this story ... ;-)

>
>> ..... Townsend jesus,...
>
>
> .
>
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No, in this case my objection comes from the fact that
with the SynthAxe, the dynamic subtlety and expressive
nuances that can be readily heard when Holdsworth 
plays non-synth guitar just didn't seem to be able to
make it through. I don't think at all that it's
because he's not *good* at playing the SynthAxe, or
that if he practiced more he'd learn it better; his
*fingers* are doing just fine, but the instrument
itself has severe inherent limitations. Your
"different instrument" analogy might better apply to a
pianist playing an '80's Casio organ/string synth and
trying to express dynamics by hitting the keys harder.

Obviously, at the time, Holdsworth was enthusiastic
about using the new sounds the SynthAxe gave him and
hopeful about the instrument's potential or he
wouldn't have been doing it. I just think it made a
great player sound cheesy.

-t-

--- dgoat  wrote:
> It's not the technology that would be the problem,
> but the fact
> that it's a differernt instrument, like a trumpeter
> picking up a sax.


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strange, strange ... nobody would ask matthias, if he had a technical 
traning before inventing the edp ... and by the way: i don't know exatly 
-> i think i had a rock'n'roll training (several years of sex, drug & 
r'n'r ... ;-)) - is that ok??

realjesus
www.colectivo.ch

>stephen wrote:
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>And, I must add, am I a member of MENSA, although Beethoven was a personal
>friend of mine.
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> > If this thing is so cool, why doesn't someone start building something
> > similar?
> Somebody send me a manual (or a link to one) and I'll put one together
with
> the Looper Construction Kit.

Does somebody have a manual or real good operational description of the
EH-16?  I'm serious about making a version.

I need a description of what each control does, how many ins/outs, and how
the indicators operate.

Dennis Leas
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Here's what Bob Sellon had to say:
 

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Hmmm, right after I sent that, I found a more complete
resource:



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for whatever it is worth. i'd buy a home built 16 sec clone. and i 
wouldn't be worried about using the original box...


On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 09:11 AM, Dennis Leas wrote:

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>>> If this thing is so cool, why doesn't someone start building 
>>> something
>>> similar?
>> Somebody send me a manual (or a link to one) and I'll put one together
> with
>> the Looper Construction Kit.
>
> Does somebody have a manual or real good operational description of the
> EH-16?  I'm serious about making a version.
>
> I need a description of what each control does, how many ins/outs, and 
> how
> the indicators operate.
>
> Dennis Leas
> ------------------
> dennis@mail.worldservercom
>

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Hi Dave,

I'm interested in finding out about the methods that your cohort,
Turntable Enabler used.

Since I am a turntable looper myself, I'm always looking to find out
what people are doing with turntables and loopers.

I use mine for "scratching" out beats (scratch drumming) and accenting
or just noodling, creating little ditties and mostly rehearsing with
myself.

I'm an advocate of the turntable as an instrument and I am trying to
further my skills, so I always appreciate hearing what's new on the
circuit.  

I'd also love to get back together with a live band and see what comes
of it.

I've played with a SF bay area band (D'Briah), mostly for environmental
cuts and minor scratches (Abbrasions), it was fun but there wasn't much
of a concerted effort to really get something solidified.

Thanks for the info,

D





Dylan DeAnda

EDS Automated Operations 





-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:01 PM
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At 10:36 PM -0800 1/12/03, dgoat wrote:
>Greetings all!
>
>Well, the very first Portland loopers gig has come and gone, and it 
>was a mad success, far beyond what I had dreamed it would be. We had 
>a great crowd (over 125!) and actually made some money to distribute 
>to all of the people involved! We had ambience, noise, rock, jazz, 
>funk, spoken word, experimental, folk, minimalism, etc. Basically, 
>just about something of everything! Improvization seemed to be the 
>common thread throughout. List members Neil Goldstein, Dave Trenkel 
>and myself all performed along with several other local Portland 
>loopers.

This was a fantastic show, JD, Matt and I had a great time playing, 
and we really dug listening to everyone else. It was a remarkable 
range of music, and, surprisingly enough, as Mr. Goat pointed out 
that night, no frippertronics :-). Twayne and every one else deserve 
mad props for pulling this off, I know what a headache it can be to 
organize something on this scale, and the evening was very smooth, 
even mostly on-time, surprising given the number of acts and amount 
of gear. I was also very pleased to see such a large audience. Maybe 
there's a future for this looping thing!

>
>
>Last for the evening (and best) was Admiral Twinkle Devil (Dave 
>Trenkel) and the Turntable Enabler. Dave had an absolutely HUGE 
>assortment of devices that he ran an electric piano and Nomad 
>keyboard through, including a Repeater and a JamMan. His turntable 
>co-hort used a Repeater and other devices on the turntables, and 
>definately played them as a musical instrument. VERY impressive. 
>Now, not only did they have the mounds of gear (a full music store's 
>worth it seemed) but they also brought an excellent sax player with 
>them, who squalled and melodied his way through the textures with 
>tenor and soprano saxes. A fine, fine closing act.

Thanks for the kind words, I'm blushing. I had some technical 
problems, not unexpected given the amount of crap I was using, but 
fortunately Matt and JD could more than pick up the slack.

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Re: Opaque Veil of TechnologyI don't think about my delay and looping =
equipment (or any of my mounds of crap, really) as "augmentation" or =
"modification" devices for my input signal, whether it's my guitar, my =
drums, or inarticulate howls of existential rage.   To me, any of the =
devices in the path of a given signal are integral and specific to the =
resultant sound.   I would no sooner consider my guitar as separate from =
my rig than I would the oscillators from the envelope filters on my =
synthesizer.   Strings, processor, amp, speakers: I consider all of that =
my "instrument".   Something that I find truly amusing as a player in =
the South is that "blues purists" will grasp this concept as far as =
their amps are concerned, but will still miss the point when is comes to =
processing.   Obviously, it isn't "overuse" of technology on the part of =
the artist that results in this sort of criticism, but the definition of =
"music" or "art" to the ear of the critic.   I love the crazy ambient =
noize, but I also have an acoustic gig.   Knock some of the Mahler out =
of your ears and try to make some room.   I guess that I'm pretty =
surprised that there are members of the "but that don't sound like the =
way Skinnard (or Segovia) plays a guitar" crowd, here.   A chop is a =
chop, whether you pluck a string, vibrate a reed or twist a knob to =
achieve it.

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Re: Opaque Veil of Technology






I don't think about my delay and =
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"modification" devices for my input signal, whether it's my guitar, my =
drums, or=20
inarticulate howls of existential rage.   To me, any of the =
devices in=20
the path of a given signal are integral and specific to the resultant=20
sound.   I would no sooner consider my guitar as separate =
from my=20
rig than I would the oscillators from the envelope filters on my=20
synthesizer.   Strings, processor, amp, speakers: I consider =
all of=20
that my "instrument".   Something that I find truly amusing as =
a=20
player in the South is that "blues purists" will grasp this concept as =
far as=20
their amps are concerned, but will still miss the point when is comes to =

processing.   Obviously, it isn't "overuse" of technology on =
the part=20
of the artist that results in this sort of criticism, but the definition =
of=20
"music" or "art" to the ear of the critic.   I love the crazy =
ambient=20
noize, but I also have an acoustic gig.   Knock some of the =
Mahler out=20
of your ears and try to make some room.   I guess that I'm =
pretty=20
surprised that there are members of the "but that don't sound like =
the way=20
Skinnard (or Segovia) plays a guitar" crowd, here.   A =
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achieve=20
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kevin wrote: My solo cello shows are more sound art than music I guess.

i did a presentation in grad school (mfa, pntg,drwg) back in '94 on 
sound art, my prof ripped me a bum hole saying that most of my 
examples were really music and not "sound art" (can't remember my ex. 
lots of fluxas folks...), but i would
bet that if my old prof (and he was a cranky guy) would say that if you're
"composing" stuff on your cello, that you are creating music more than
you are creating "sound art".  probably the hardest part is defining
the term "sound art". where does the sound begin/end, where does the 
music begin/end?
s---
ps-i remember zappa commenting that he thought of his solos as "sound 
sculptures", air moving etc. but it always sounded like great music 
to me.
wasn't really sure how much sculpture was involved.....

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I think Alto music has the EDP+ and a foot
controller for $699.

Randy

Mark Hamburg wrote:
> 
> Okay. So, I can spend $599 and get an EDP and spend another $100 and get
> LoopIV from Aurisis.
> 
> Or I can spend $849 and get an EDP+.
>

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I'm pretty sure that my tc electronics fireworx has a preset that has =
"pitch shiftable" taps.   As far a smooth "knobby" shifting without =
going "vintage", that my friend, has been my grail.

lance
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Kirkland Mack=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:46 AM
  Subject: Needing other delay recommendations (was Re: DL4 question)


  I was a little dissappointed by the lack of smooth delay time/pitch =
changes when I got my DL-4. I think they should have made some of the =
patches shift smoothly and left others for sonic mayhem. Basically I =
would have liked it if they just made the delay time control operate the =
same as it does on the pedals being modeled. It's sort of redundant for =
me though as I have another analog delay, and an RDS 8000 that do it =
quite nicely. About the Electrix Mo-FX, can midi signals be used to make =
it cycle through a sequence of various delay times, creating a melodic =
stepping effect as the sampled sound jumps up and down to various =
speeds? I've always wanted to get my hands on a device that could do =
this. Anyone one here use the Adrenalinn? Can it do this? Does anyone =
have a favorite unit for multi-tap delays with individual pitch shift =
for each tap? See, I figure if I can hook up enough delay boxes in the =
right combination and with the right type of automation, I won! 't have =
to play guitar at all -except one note. Then I can just mess with pitch =
shift and delay time parameters in various ways and keep resampling and =
redelaying the sound. Then once I get a nice long loop going I can just =
sit on stage and stare the audience down, or make origami, or do shadow =
puppetry. Seriously though, multi taps with individual pitch shifting =
and panning, the ability to create melodies with delay time adjustment =
via the knob and also via midi messages from a sequencer for delay time =
"stepping," what can do all this? (crossing his fingers that it will =
cost under a grand) - Kirk=20

   Marklar  wrote:=20

    One of the only delays I've used lately that behaves this way (and=20
    synchs to a MIDI clock) is the Electrix Mo-FX You can get really=20
    interesting delay effects by screwing with the knobs (all accessable =
via=20
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the=20
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    (the Repeater part is sarcasm)

    Mark Sottilaro


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I'm pretty sure that my tc electronics =
fireworx has=20
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"knobby"=20
shifting without going "vintage", that my friend, has been my=20
grail.


 


lance



  
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 =
2:46=20
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I was a little dissappointed by the lack of smooth delay time/pitch =
changes=20
  when I got my DL-4. I think they should have made some of the patches =
shift=20
  smoothly and left others for sonic mayhem. Basically I would have =
liked it if=20
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the=20
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another=20
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the=20
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sequence=20
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Can it do=20
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enough=20
  delay boxes in the right combination and with the right type of =
automation, I=20
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  just mess with pitch shift and delay time parameters in various=20
  ways and keep resampling and redelaying the sound. Then once =
I=20
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the=20
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though, multi=20
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to=20
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also via=20
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all=20
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 Marklar <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:=20
  One=20
    of the only delays I've used lately that behaves this way (and =

synchs to=20
    a MIDI clock) is the Electrix Mo-FX You can get really =

interesting delay=20
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MIDI) or =
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Repeater.

(the Repeater part is sarcasm)

Mark=20
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I can't help but believe that these distinctions are going to become
outdated as technology and sampling in particular become ever more
pervasive.

Lance.

ps. what did your prof. think that Cage was doing?

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> kevin wrote: My solo cello shows are more sound art than music I guess.
>
> i did a presentation in grad school (mfa, pntg,drwg) back in '94 on
> sound art, my prof ripped me a bum hole saying that most of my
> examples were really music and not "sound art" (can't remember my ex.
> lots of fluxas folks...), but i would
> bet that if my old prof (and he was a cranky guy) would say that if you're
> "composing" stuff on your cello, that you are creating music more than
> you are creating "sound art".  probably the hardest part is defining
> the term "sound art". where does the sound begin/end, where does the
> music begin/end?
> s---
> ps-i remember zappa commenting that he thought of his solos as "sound
> sculptures", air moving etc. but it always sounded like great music
> to me.
> wasn't really sure how much sculpture was involved.....
>
> --
>

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Brainwashing?  Good grief.  Is that to say... the difference between
learning from somebody OR getting brainwashed is TUITION?  Believe it or
not, there are some very good free-thinking musicians in our colleges,
universities, and conservatories today.  

Also, theory and technique ain't bad.  Think of the mathematical theory
and industrial technique that goes into the development of those cool
loopers we all use.  Without refinement, we'd all be banging rocks
together instead.

-----Original Message-----
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** Resent to list. I don't know why, but sometimes when I click reply, 
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only person who this is happening to? **

> so how does a musician become "classically trained"? does this mean 
> some
> minimum of standard for specific musical skills (instrument playing
> capabilities, sight reading, arranging, playing specific pieces to a
> standard, etc)

It normally involves brainwashing from an early age, with a lot of 
theory and technique. The brainwashing can become so instilled in your 
soul, that creative freedom can often be hindered... I know many very 
good classically trained musicians who have virtually no 
improvisational skills. They can only play what is written in front of 
them... but they do that well (unlike myself).

I had classical training from the age of 6 up until 16, whereby I 
stopped completely, and discovered drugs, life and emotive freedom. If 
I had stayed as a strict classical player, then I don't think that I 
could do what I am doing now.

> i took violin lessons as a child using the Suzuki methods ... is that
> considered classical training?

Yes and no. The Suzuki method is great, as it involves mostly practical 
work, and playing by ear. I never studied the Suziki method, but I know 
many a great improvisor who started that way....
-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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man, I knew I should of played bass...dammn't well Pete T. has always been a freak in many ways,remember the incident where he said he knew what it was to be a woman because he was one?!?! WEll, this tops that though, given guitarist a bad name, I can't even go to the post office without getting dirty looks dammn it
Denis
Denis Taaffe
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by the way, how are michael jackson and kmart alike? - they both have boys pants 1/2 off!!!

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I just listened to the news about Pete Townsend jesus,
is this just celebrity sensationalism or for real?
cheers
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hi mike. is there any way to make the boomerang midi with a conversion kit
etc.?

thanks!
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> "Also, here's some loop content--what classics do ANY of you loopers
> integrate into your performances?  Any familiar tunes pop up? 

 I like to loop Pachabell's Canon in D, once in awhile the GM cello
suite.(Bach,but no looping) But,lately I'm likely to "Looprovise" on
Dark Star,Little Wing,or 3rd stone from the Sun over Jaco's Kuru
groove...I tend to think of these as classics as well....
PEACE
Scott

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<>

That's funny, MY DL-4 doesn't seem to have a
problem with doing what you're describing. This
is how you get those effects Tommy Bolin and Tom
Scholz used to get out of their Echoplexes. For
years I wondered how Scholz got those rocket
launcher effects on the first two Boston albums
without using a synth, then eventually saw a
bootlegged concert video where it became obvious
that he was running his old gold top Les Paul
through a delay unit that he was manipulating
with a foot pedal (according to the Boston
website, it's a real tube Echoplex and he calls
it his "Hyperspace Pedal"). As far as I'm
concerned, the DL-4 has about everything I would
want from a delay unit. The looping function is
terrible (would have been much better if they had
assigned the tweak and tweeze controls for the
purposes of modulating the loop length, as
opposed to the chorus effect they offer...if I
wanted chorus, I'd turn on my MM-4, seeing as
that's what THAT pedal is there for!). 

And while we're on the topic of Line 6 effects,
anyone tried the distortion modeler? How is it?
That's the only one of the four stompbox modelers
I don't have, but I'm thinking about getting one
(though I'm also thinking about getting a Z Vex
Fuzz Factory). 

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In a message dated 1/14/03 6:10:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:

<< am I a member of MENSA>>

yikes ricky.....if i pass the test, what do i win?.....lots-o-scoots i 
hope.....michael

p.s. nah, i dont think you are a member of NASA.....ops.....MENSA

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<< am I a member of MENSA>>



yikes ricky.....if i pass the test, what do i win?.....lots-o-scoots i hope.....michael



p.s. nah, i dont think you are a member of NASA.....ops.....MENSA

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--- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL"  wrote:
> someone, I think it was Gary Lehman wrote:
> 
> "Also, here's some loop content--what classics do ANY of you loopers
> integrate into your performances?  Any familiar tunes pop up?  Is everybody
> improvising?"
> 
> On my first CD (he confesses for the first time) I used a beautiful string
> orchestra snippet from Samuel Barber's 'Adagio for Strings' as a loop on the
> final track of that CD called "The Sadness of Leaving".  I have a strong
> preference for never using
> anyone else's loops in my compositions but this one just really had the
> emotion that I was feeling at the time in it.

Then, of course, there's your absolutely BRILLIANT cover of 4.33.

Greg


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>  I like to loop Pachabell's Canon in D, once in
> awhile the GM cello
> suite.(Bach,but no looping) But,lately I'm likely to
> "Looprovise" on
> Dark Star,Little Wing,or 3rd stone from the Sun over
> Jaco's Kuru
> groove...

speaking of jaco and looping, it was that
solo..."slang" on weather report's 8:30 that first
opened my eyes to the possibility of being able to
create layered music as a single musician.  ofcourse,
the gear isn't really needed to do that always, but it
sure helps.

peace and bass,
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since the older EDP hardware is not being made anymore, this option will 
only be possible until the existing inventory is gone.
kim

At 10:13 AM 1/14/2003, Mark Hamburg wrote:
>Okay. So, I can spend $599 and get an EDP and spend another $100 and get
>LoopIV from Aurisis.
>
>Or I can spend $849 and get an EDP+.
>
>What does this get me besides: (a) black and (b) round buttons?
>
>Mark

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At 12:04 AM 1/15/2003, Andre LaFosse wrote:
>Sync, and BrotherSync in particular, is a big blind spot for me in my
>EDP knowledge.  As I'm getting ready to do a string of shows with three
>and even four-EDP ensembles, I'm wondering if anyone can explain a good
>way to get more than two BrotherSync'd at the same time?
>
>I know a stereo 1/4" cable is the norm for BrotherSync, but what's the
>best way to go about getting more than two EDP's sync'd up?  I assume
>some sort of splitter would be the way to get more than two in sync at
>the same time...?

right, a stereo splitter is all you need. you can get them at radio shack 
or similar places.

>And do things like Startsong and/or ReAlign messages work with BrotherSync?

yes, the specifics are in the upgrade manual.

kim


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> "mr.monk" wrote:
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>for whatever it is worth. i'd buy a home built 16 sec clone. and i
>wouldn't be worried about using the original box...

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> "mr.monk" wrote:

>

>for whatever it is worth. i'd buy a home built 16 sec clone. and i 

>wouldn't be worried about using the original box...



Oh YEAHYEAHYEAH, but Dennis is probably talking about a virtual emulation o=
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EH 16sec. delayYes, it'll be a software emulation under Kyma.  (And no
worries,  it *won't* use the original box, either...)

Dennis Leas
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> "mr.monk" wrote:
>
>for whatever it is worth. i'd buy a home built 16 sec clone. and i
>wouldn't be worried about using the original box...

Oh YEAHYEAHYEAH, but Dennis is probably talking about a virtual emulation of
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I think what no one is getting is that the problem people are having is not with a lack of space ship noises. In my mind space ship noises are rather easy to come by. My ring mod, flanger, real analog delay, micro synth, whammy pedal etc. etc. all make great sound effects. The problem is the DL-4 is not capable of producing a smooth change in pitch of a predictable, properly intonated interval. The pitch ramps down if you turn it up. The old low resolution digital delays did this beautifully, so it shouldn't be too much to ask for the DL-4 to do it. Chances are it's probably not something they took into consideration. I don't recommend the distortion modeler. The blades of this swiss army knife are a bit too dull for my tastes. I also don't recommend the fuzz factory, although the fuzz probe is probably better, and I do heartily recommend any other ZVex pedal. The Fuzz Factory just cut too much bass out of my sound. For my money I can buy about 5 or 6 seriously fantastic distortions for the price of a Fuzz Factory. I bought a Monsterpiece PNP fuzz, a script logo MXR distortion plus, a Boss DS-1 modded by Aramat FX, and a Boss Digital Metalizer and I still have money left over from selling my Fuzz Factory. There are also other options out there if you like crazy distortion pedals. - Kirk
 Chris Richards  wrote:That's funny, MY DL-4 doesn't seem to have a
problem with doing what you're describing. This
is how you get those effects Tommy Bolin and Tom
Scholz used to get out of their Echoplexes. For
years I wondered how Scholz got those rocket
launcher effects on the first two Boston albums
without using a synth, then eventually saw a
bootlegged concert video where it became obvious
that he was running his old gold top Les Paul
through a delay unit that he was manipulating
with a foot pedal (according to the Boston
website, it's a real tube Echoplex and he calls
it his "Hyperspace Pedal"). As far as I'm
concerned, the DL-4 has about everything I would
want from a delay unit. The looping function is
terrible (would have been much better if they had
assigned the tweak and tweeze controls for the
purposes of modulating the loop length, as
opposed to the chorus effect they offer...if I
wanted chorus, I'd turn on my MM-4, seeing as
that's what THAT pedal is there for!). 

And while we're on the topic of Line 6 effects,
anyone tried the distortion modeler? How is it?
That's the only one of the four stompbox modelers
I don't have, but I'm thinking about getting one
(though I'm also thinking about getting a Z Vex
Fuzz Factory). 

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I think what no one is getting is that the problem people are having is not with a lack of space ship noises. In my mind space ship noises are rather easy to come by. My ring mod, flanger, real analog delay, micro synth, whammy pedal etc. etc. all make great sound effects. The problem is the DL-4 is not capable of producing a smooth change in pitch of a predictable, properly intonated interval. The pitch ramps down if you turn it up. The old low resolution digital delays did this beautifully, so it shouldn't be too much to ask for the DL-4 to do it. Chances are it's probably not something they took into consideration. I don't recommend the distortion modeler. The blades of this swiss army knife are a bit too dull for my tastes. I also don't recommend the fuzz factory, although the fuzz probe is probably better, and I do heartily recommend any other ZVex pedal. The Fuzz Factory just cut too much bass out of my sound. For my money I can buy about 5 or 6 seriously fantastic distortions for the price of a Fuzz Factory. I bought a Monsterpiece PNP fuzz, a script logo MXR distortion plus, a Boss DS-1 modded by Aramat FX, and a Boss Digital Metalizer and I still have money left over from selling my Fuzz Factory. There are also other options out there if you like crazy distortion pedals. - Kirk

 Chris Richards <kohntarkosz@yahoo.com> wrote:

That's funny, MY DL-4 doesn't seem to have a
problem with doing what you're describing. This
is how you get those effects Tommy Bolin and Tom
Scholz used to get out of their Echoplexes. For
years I wondered how Scholz got those rocket
launcher effects on the first two Boston albums
without using a synth, then eventually saw a
bootlegged concert video where it became obvious
that he was running his old gold top Les Paul
through a delay unit that he was manipulating
with a foot pedal (according to the Boston
website, it's a real tube Echoplex and he calls
it his "Hyperspace Pedal"). As far as I'm
concerned, the DL-4 has about everything I would
want from a delay unit. The looping function is
terrible (would have been much better if they had
assigned the tweak and tweeze controls for the
purposes of modulating the loop length, as
opposed to the chorus effect they offer...if I
wanted chorus, I'd turn on my MM-4, seeing as
that's what THAT pedal is there for!). 

And while we're on the topic of Line 6 effects,
anyone tried the distortion modeler? How is it?
That's the only one of the four stompbox modelers
I don't have, but I'm thinking about getting one
(though I'm also thinking about getting a Z Vex
Fuzz Factory). 

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I think what no one is getting is that the problem people are having is not with a lack of space ship noises. In my mind space ship noises are rather easy to come by. My ring mod, flanger, real analog delay, micro synth, whammy pedal etc. etc. all make great sound effects. The problem is the DL-4 is not capable of producing a smooth change in pitch of a predictable, properly intonated interval. The pitch ramps down if you turn it up. The old low resolution digital delays did this beautifully, so it shouldn't be too much to ask for the DL-4 to do it. Chances are it's probably not something they took into consideration. I don't recommend the distortion modeler. The blades of this swiss army knife are a bit too dull for my tastes. I also don't recommend the fuzz factory, although the fuzz probe is probably better, and I do heartily recommend any other ZVex pedal. The Fuzz Factory just cut too much bass out of my sound. For my money I can buy about 5 or 6 seriously fantastic distortions for the price of a Fuzz Factory. I bought a Monsterpiece PNP fuzz, a script logo MXR distortion plus, a Boss DS-1 modded by Aramat FX, and a Boss Digital Metalizer and I still have money left over from selling my Fuzz Factory. There are also other options out there if you like crazy distortion pedals. - Kirk 
 Chris Richards  wrote: That's funny, MY DL-4 doesn't seem to have a
problem with doing what you're describing. This
is how you get those effects Tommy Bolin and Tom
Scholz used to get out of their Echoplexes. For
years I wondered how Scholz got those rocket
launcher effects on the first two Boston albums
without using a synth, then eventually saw a
bootlegged concert video where it became obvious
that he was running his old gold top Les Paul
through a delay unit that he was manipulating
with a foot pedal (according to the Boston
website, it's a real tube Echoplex and he calls
it his "Hyperspace Pedal"). As far as I'm
concerned, the DL-4 has about everything I would
want from a delay unit. The looping function is
terrible (would have been much better if they had
assigned the tweak and tweeze controls for the
purposes of modulating the loop length, as
opposed to the chorus effect they offer...if I
wanted chorus, I'd turn on my MM-4, seeing as
that's what THAT pedal is there for!). 

And while we're on the topic of Line 6 effects,
anyone tried the distortion modeler? How is it?
That's the only one of the four stompbox modelers
I don't have, but I'm thinking about getting one
(though I'm also thinking about getting a Z Vex
Fuzz Factory). 

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I think what no one is getting is that the problem people are having is not with a lack of space ship noises. In my mind space ship noises are rather easy to come by. My ring mod, flanger, real analog delay, micro synth, whammy pedal etc. etc. all make great sound effects. The problem is the DL-4 is not capable of producing a smooth change in pitch of a predictable, properly intonated interval. The pitch ramps down if you turn it up. The old low resolution digital delays did this beautifully, so it shouldn't be too much to ask for the DL-4 to do it. Chances are it's probably not something they took into consideration. I don't recommend the distortion modeler. The blades of this swiss army knife are a bit too dull for my tastes. I also don't recommend the fuzz factory, although the fuzz probe is probably better, and I do heartily recommend any other ZVex pedal. The Fuzz Factory just cut too much bass out of my sound. For my money I can buy about 5 or 6 seriously fantastic distortions for the price of a Fuzz Factory. I bought a Monsterpiece PNP fuzz, a script logo MXR distortion plus, a Boss DS-1 modded by Aramat FX, and a Boss Digital Metalizer and I still have money left over from selling my Fuzz Factory. There are also other options out there if you like crazy distortion pedals. - Kirk 

 Chris Richards <kohntarkosz@yahoo.com> wrote: 

That's funny, MY DL-4 doesn't seem to have a
problem with doing what you're describing. This
is how you get those effects Tommy Bolin and Tom
Scholz used to get out of their Echoplexes. For
years I wondered how Scholz got those rocket
launcher effects on the first two Boston albums
without using a synth, then eventually saw a
bootlegged concert video where it became obvious
that he was running his old gold top Les Paul
through a delay unit that he was manipulating
with a foot pedal (according to the Boston
website, it's a real tube Echoplex and he calls
it his "Hyperspace Pedal"). As far as I'm
concerned, the DL-4 has about everything I would
want from a delay unit. The looping function is
terrible (would have been much better if they had
assigned the tweak and tweeze controls for the
purposes of modulating the loop length, as
opposed to the chorus effect they offer...if I
wanted chorus, I'd turn on my MM-4, seeing as
that's what THAT pedal is there for!). 

And while we're on the topic of Line 6 effects,
anyone tried the distortion modeler? How is it?
That's the only one of the four stompbox modelers
I don't have, but I'm thinking about getting one
(though I'm also thinking about getting a Z Vex
Fuzz Factory). 

=====
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i had the same experience with my fuzz factory.. it lasted about two 
weeks.



> Fuzz Factory just cut too much bass out of my sound. For my money I 
> can buy about 5 or 6 seriously fa! ntastic distortions for the price 
> of a Fuzz Factory. I bought a Monsterpiece PNP fuzz, a script logo MXR 
> distortion plus, a Boss DS-1 modded by Aramat FX, and a Boss Digital 
> Metalizer and I still have money left over from selling my Fuzz 
> Factory. There are also other options out there if you like crazy 
> distortion pedals. - Kirk

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i love my fuzz factory.. but, like with most gear of mine, I don't pick
them for what they sound like, but I let what they sound like shape what
I am doing...

peace
-cpr

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>
>i had the same experience with my fuzz factory.. it lasted about two 
>weeks.
>
>
>
>> Fuzz Factory just cut too much bass out of my sound. For my money I 
>> can buy about 5 or 6 seriously fa! ntastic distortions for the price

>> of a Fuzz Factory. I bought a Monsterpiece PNP fuzz, a script logo MXR
>
>> distortion plus, a Boss DS-1 modded by Aramat FX, and a Boss Digital

>> Metalizer and I still have money left over from selling my Fuzz 
>> Factory. There are also other options out there if you like crazy 
>> distortion pedals. - Kirk
>


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>  And while we're on the topic of Line 6 effects,
>  anyone tried the distortion modeler? How is it?
>  That's the only one of the four stompbox modelers
>  I don't have, but I'm thinking about getting one
>  (though I'm also thinking about getting a Z Vex
>  Fuzz Factory). 


     Chris,

     I have owned all 4 colours, (though now there is a 5th, the red amp modeller), and I have to
say that I was rather unimpressed at all of them except the modulation modeller.  Even that may go
the way of eBay soon.  If you like the sound and feel of the others, you will probably enjoy the
DM-4.  It has a wide and varied palette of sounds.  The expression pedal is a nice addition,
though it shows up the flaws even more readily.

     One of my beefs with the Line 6 gear is a certain "hollowness" or "lack of life".  This is a
very personal and subjective opinion to be sure.  I don't have a lot of experience with the pedals
that they are trying to model, so my opinion must be taken with a heap of salt (as all must). 
That being said, I have used my experience with the Line 6 gear to spur me on to greater heights. 
For example, my dissatisfaction with the DL-4 prompted me to buy the Hughes and Kettner Replex for
warm tube delay and reverb (this is the shizzit, kids), and the Repeater for looping (at only 4
times the cost!)

     Another thing to look out for when you link several Line 6 modellers together is that it
becomes difficult to maintain your levels when switching things in and out.  Some experimenting
with the order of the units (which box to put first...) will help, though I never got all four up
and running with any degree of satisfaction.  Even with the wet/dry mix levels turned mostly dry. 
As a stand alone box, the MM-4 is pretty good.  Combine it with other pedals and I started to run
into problems that I couldn't find a way around.

     The expression pedal does an okay job of morphing from one set of knob positions to another
set.  Some of the problems that come up are the lack of smoothness in the sound from toe position
to heel position.  And then some of the knobs will switch from one setting to another in discreet
jumps, not a fun thing to bump into with a smooth pedal sweep.

     All in all, I found the Line 6 stomp boxes to be an invaluable part of my education in effect
boxes.  And seeing how I bought them used on eBay and then resold them for around the same price,
the education didn't come at a high price.  If you are interested in the DM-4, by all means go for
it, it's less than $200 on eBay used (get the power supply, don't even think about using batteries
alone) and you can resell it in the future when you are ready to move on. 

          SVG






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I wonder what version 2 brings. They dont have the manual on the site...


>From: "Ableton" 
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>Subject: Newsletter - Ableton at Winter NAMM
>Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:35:03 +0100
>
>
>Ableton presents Live 2 at Winter NAMM Show
>
>
>
>From January 16th to the 19th 2003, Ableton will be back at the 
>Anaheim Convention Center in California. We're participating in this 
>year's NAMM show and will introduce Live 2 to the public for the 
>first time. Look for the green Ableton Mini Theater at the M-Audio 
>booth (Hall A, Booth 6704), where we will be presenting the new Live 
>2 features.
>
>
>
>For more detailed information about the NAMM Convention, go to 
>http://www.namm.com
>
>
>
>
>
>Ableton and Native Instruments Party in L.A.
>
>On Saturday January 18th, Ableton is throwing a party with Berlin 
>friends Native Instruments and PAX at the Plastic Factory (1142 East 
>11th Street and Central) in downtown Los Angeles. The event starts 
>at 9 pm with performances by Monolake, John Tejada, Nortec 
>Collective, Kenneth Graham and others.
>
>
>
>For more information go to http://www.ableton.com
>
>
>
>Location: Plastic Factory
>
>1142 E 11th street and central, Los Angeles
>
>
>
>time: 9pm - late
>
>admission: US$ 10
>
>
>
>Line-Up:
>
>
>
>Monolake ----ˆ live [Ableton Live]
>
>(Monolake/Imbalance Computer Music, Chain Reaction)
>
>
>
>John Tejada ----ˆ live [NI Traktor]
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>(Palette, Plug Research, deFocus)
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>
>
>Nortec Collective ----ˆ live [Native Instruments]
>
>(Palm, Pictures)
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>Kenneth Graham ----ˆ live [NI Reaktor]
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>Hologram ---ˆ live [Ableton Live, NI Reaktor, NI Kontakt]
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>
>Logreybeam ----ˆ live [NI Reaktor]
>
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>
>
>Deru ----ˆ live [Ableton Live]
>
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>
>
>RD ----- dj [NI Traktor]
>
>(the experimental liquor museum)
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>
>
>with 3Dimensional animation from
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>Mordka ---ˆ live [Derivative 'touch 101']
>
>(the experimental liquor museum)
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>
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>More News to come.
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>Claudia Weidner/Robert Henke
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hi all,

i'm a new member. i got a question, sorry if you've gone
over this before, i've checked the archives but didn't find
an answer...

i'm looking for a simple looper to do live loops not based
on tempo. i'm trying to mimic the thing trey anastasio of
the band phish does in songs like "ghost" and "sand" and
"first tube"....

i've looked at the boomerang and the new boss looper, but
these require you to start the loop as well as stop. so now
i'm looking at old-school rackmount delays, which don't
require you to start the loop, only to hit the "hold"
button to make it start looping.

i've heard trey uses the ibanez dm-2000 for this stuff, but
it only has a 2-second delay i think.

anybody have experience with the following units? (i can
get these units locally)
- ibanez dmd-1000 (1-2 sec delay?)
- digitech rds-900 (1-2 sec delay?)
- ada delay (1 sec delay, profiled here:
http://www.guitargeek.com/gearview/254/
- rocktron powerplay fx/delay
- digitech rds-8000 (8 second delay!!)

right now i'm leaning towards the rds-8000. what should i
pay for this?? any thoughts on these or other units?? any
advice is VERY appreciated, email me privately or on the
list, thank you!!!!!!!!!

i'm looking for something to play riffs into live that will
repeat it hypnotically ad infinitum...... thanks!

dylan
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someone here might know?
i'm triggering a boss 660 drum machine with an edp......the 660 hold about 10 
to 12 tunes after which i have to store these tunes on my peavey midi 
librarian and erase enough material to write new stuff......problem i'm 
having is the midi librarian takes about one and a half minutes to load up. 
one and a half minutes in the middle of a live set is an eternity.
my question is is there anything out there that will load up faster?
thanks!!!!!!!
brian

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someone here might know?

i'm triggering a boss 660 drum machine with an edp......the 660 hold about 10 to 12 tunes after which i have to store these tunes on my peavey midi librarian and erase enough material to write new stuff......problem i'm having is the midi librarian takes about one and a half minutes to load up. one and a half minutes in the middle of a live set is an eternity.

my question is is there anything out there that will load up faster?

thanks!!!!!!!

brian



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whats the latest today?
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> he won't be fooled again.
> 
> 

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he won't be fooled again.

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The new features for Version 2 are on the Ableton site. I can't give a
link as the site is all Java or (for us non-HTML savvy: what is it when
the top address doesn't change and you navigate within the 'parent'
link?). It's been out for almost a month.

I have it and love it but have been too busy with the EDP IV to delve
deeper into it :-)

Here, pasted from the site:

What's new in Live 2? 

Live 2 enhances the performance and jamming features of the original
software and also adds multi-track recording and editing with "Elastic
Audio". Version 2 turns Live into a comprehensive studio recording and
editing tool. 

Elastic Audio
- Selectable warping modes for clean stretching of all types of audio
- Recordable tempo changes and a continous tempo envelope
- Tempo tapping
- Ability to bypass time-stretching for individual clips or recordings 
New Comprehensive Studio Tool
- Easy, tape-style multitrack recording with punch in / out and
metronome
- Super-fast arranger navigation
- Better handling of non-looping clips
- Improved automation handling and editing for fast parameter access
- Enhanced file management

Smarter Jamming
- Relative Session Mapping 
- DJ-mixer-like crossfading between tracks
- Full screen mode allowing more space for Live 
- Improved Prelisten / Solo functionality

Effects
- Presets can now save and recall effect settings
- Loads of ready-to-go presets for all Live effects
- New Gate and Redux effects

And lots more...
- New Bus View with input gains and mono/stereo selectors
- Improved mixer UI - makes more tracks visible on screen
- Dedicated Input Monitoring / Recording buttons in each track
- Map Tempo and Transport controls to MIDI or keyboard
- Reception of MIDI from multiple ports
- Bug Fixes and performance optimisation



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On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:29:13 -0800 (PST), "dylan"
 said:
> i've looked at the boomerang and the new boss looper, but
> these require you to start the loop as well as stop. so now
> i'm looking at old-school rackmount delays, which don't
> require you to start the loop, only to hit the "hold"
> button to make it start looping.
>

hmm, I'm not familiar with any of the delays you mentioned, but it seems
you would still needs 2 button-presses right?  One to actually turn on
the delay and another for "hold."  You might want to consider the Line6
DL-4.  It's 14 seconds, and automatically goes into overdub when it runs
out of memory.  So you could just press record and not worry about it
after that. 

hope that helps,
Ernesto

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SVG said:

> One of my beefs with the Line 6 gear is a certain "hollowness" or "lack of
> life".

I agree - I actually prefer my Boss DD3 for general ³vanilla² delay with my
fretless bass. And there is a massive difference it presence between the
JamMan and the DL4. But I love the DL4 for its Low Res Delay, and the looper
which I use far more in loads more musical settings simply because of its
portability and compact-ness. No rack to carry around, footswitches to
connect etc. It¹s now an essential part of my set up.

My criticism is the noise when hitting the speed change button - soloed it
can be a problem with a picky studio engineer.

victor


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Nothing since Monday really.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2651871.stm

Rock star Pete Townshend has been released on bail by police after he
admitted accessing child pornography websites.  His solicitor John Cohen
said officers had interviewed Mr Townshend for one hour and twenty minutes
at Twickenham station, south-west London.

"He is going home to get some rest. He is tired but all right."
- John Cohen, Pete Townshend's solicitor

He is due to re-attend the station in late January.


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> whats the latest today?
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
>
> > he won't be fooled again.

Somehow I'm sure that line's gone through Pete's head sometime lately! :)

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 1/16/03 6:14:01 AM, schnack@mailbolt.com writes:

<< You might want to consider the Line6

DL-4.  It's 14 seconds, and automatically goes into overdub when it runs

out of memory.  So you could just press record and not worry about it

after that.  >>

The problem with the DL4, for what Dylan's looking for - if I understand his 
post correctly - is that in delay mode, it's only 2 sec. max.  If you want a 
longer delay time you can use loop mode but then the decay is not quick 
enough to create the evolving textures/ rythmic figures he's looking for.  
The slow decay time means things are going to pile up and get real dense real 
quick.  All this is relative to personal preference.  If I remember 
correctly, the Headrush, in delay mode has long delay times with controllable 
decay rate but I think you have to tap in the length of decay(?). - Paul 

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> problem i'm having is the midi librarian takes about one and a
> half minutes to load up. one and a half minutes in the middle
> of a live set is an eternity.
> my question is is there anything out there that will load up faster?

[DISCLAIMER: I don't have either a Boss DR-660 or the Peavey Midi
Librarian.]

I'm not sure what kind of data is being sent between the DR-660 and the
Peavey Librarian.  However, a number of MIDI conversations can occur using
either "open loop" or "closed loop" acknowledgements.

Open loop requires only a one-way connection between the dumper and the
dumpee.  Open loop is kind of a monologue.

Closed loop requires two one-way connections between the dumper and the
dumpee (one connection for each direction).  Using closed loop, the devices
dialogue between each other.

Closed loop transfers are generally quite a bit faster.  If you can use it
for your situation, you might want to try it out.

...or you can tell some jokes in the deadtime.

Dennis Leas
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i've had an interesting debate w/ a musician friend about cage.
a lot of his stuff i think is more "conceptual art"--the concept is
always great, presentation doesn't always live up to what's on paper.
he made great sounds, and of course used lots of founds sounds (radios, etc),
but again, i would still say that he's coming out of the tradition of
music--and i think he was trying to stretch the boundries of what is 
music, etc. but i would agree that some of his stuff uses elements of 
sound art,
certainly using the uncertainty of outside/unplanned noises etc.
he certainly started to blur the lines, which again makes it hard.
s---


>I can't help but believe that these distinctions are going to become
>outdated as technology and sampling in particular become ever more
>pervasive.
>
>Lance.
>
>ps. what did your prof. think that Cage was doing?
>
>----- Original Message -----
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>
>
>>  kevin wrote: My solo cello shows are more sound art than music I guess.
>>
>>  i did a presentation in grad school (mfa, pntg,drwg) back in '94 on
>>  sound art, my prof ripped me a bum hole saying that most of my
>>  examples were really music and not "sound art" (can't remember my ex.
>>  lots of fluxas folks...), but i would
>>  bet that if my old prof (and he was a cranky guy) would say that if you're
>>  "composing" stuff on your cello, that you are creating music more than
>>  you are creating "sound art".  probably the hardest part is defining
>>  the term "sound art". where does the sound begin/end, where does the
>>  music begin/end?
>>  s---
>>  ps-i remember zappa commenting that he thought of his solos as "sound
>>  sculptures", air moving etc. but it always sounded like great music
>  > to me.
>  > wasn't really sure how much sculpture was involved.....
>  >
>  > --
>  >


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I have a problem with my DL4 that might be attributable to my own setting
up or
a software fault in the unit. It relates to the noise created by changing
delay
time whilst a signal is present  with an expression pedal.

My problem is not so much the "space ship" noise, but that, I don't seem to be
able to unassign Delay Time from the pedal. So, if, for example, I want to
bring up the repeats as I put my toe down, I set a couple of repeats at heal
position and lots at the toe position. I don't touch Delay Time, and when
using
the pedal, the Delay Time will always change causing the spaceship effect.
I've
tried setting Delay Time to "full" or short at both positions in order to
"reset" that parameter - still with delay time changing with the pedal
movement. This does not happen though when I use the pedal with the looper.

Any help or similar experiences would be good to hear about.

Thanks.
Ian.



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hi new member-my looping experience is "new" also, but if you
are going to use a looper live, i would recommend a foot-pedal oriented thing.
if you get a rack delay/looper you'll have to get a foot controller 
of some kind. my first digital delay pedal, the yamaha dds-20m (from 
late 80's) did something like you wanted. it had a sample mode where 
you could sample
1.2 sec of material and play it back hitting the pedal button. it also
had 1.2 sec of delay.
i'm sure that some of the newer pedals, the boss dd-6 or the digitech x-series
delay would do something similar (i don't have them, just have read 
about them).
those both have 4-5 sec of delay/looping time.
some thoughts for you. i'm sure others will chime in.
s---


>hi all,
>
>i'm a new member. i got a question, sorry if you've gone
>over this before, i've checked the archives but didn't find
>an answer...
>
>i'm looking for a simple looper to do live loops not based
>on tempo. i'm trying to mimic the thing trey anastasio of
>the band phish does in songs like "ghost" and "sand" and
>"first tube"....
>
>i've looked at the boomerang and the new boss looper, but
>these require you to start the loop as well as stop. so now
>i'm looking at old-school rackmount delays, which don't
>require you to start the loop, only to hit the "hold"
>button to make it start looping.
>
>i've heard trey uses the ibanez dm-2000 for this stuff, but
>it only has a 2-second delay i think.
>
>anybody have experience with the following units? (i can
>get these units locally)
>- ibanez dmd-1000 (1-2 sec delay?)
>- digitech rds-900 (1-2 sec delay?)
>- ada delay (1 sec delay, profiled here:
>http://www.guitargeek.com/gearview/254/
>- rocktron powerplay fx/delay
>- digitech rds-8000 (8 second delay!!)
>
>right now i'm leaning towards the rds-8000. what should i
>pay for this?? any thoughts on these or other units?? any
>advice is VERY appreciated, email me privately or on the
>list, thank you!!!!!!!!!
>
>i'm looking for something to play riffs into live that will
>repeat it hypnotically ad infinitum...... thanks!
>
>dylan
>dylanhassinger@yahoo.com
>
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> I know a stereo 1/4" cable is the norm for BrotherSync, but what's the
>  best way to go about getting more than two EDP's sync'd up?  I assume
>  some sort of splitter would be the way to get more than two in sync at
>  the same time...?

well I've made a little box which I think 
should maybe be called a
BROTHER HUB

just a metal box with 4 (or more!) 
stereo jack sockets, all of them 
paralleled
( that means all tips together, all rings together and
all earths together)

I made this in anticipation of the recent Norwich UK loopfest,
but there just wasn't a chance to try it out.

Just basic DIY and soldering.

I hear that there are difficulties when more than 2 EDPs
are brothered however, as when 2 or more EDPs are running they
all send the sync pulse. The 3rd EDP can get confused by the
double sync pulse, because even with the first 2 EDPs synced up
there's 2 pulses per cycle.

so....
hey Matthias
would it be possible to modify the "brother hub" with a couple
of diodes so that one EDP could always be master?
(so that any "slave" EDPs only get the cycle end from one "master" EDP)  

andy butler

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Hey Dylan;

Digitech made a few long delay racks in that time machine series

you may also want to check out the 3600 - which got about 7.2 seconds (you 
could trim it to about 8) and had digital display.

I'm not really a big Phish guy, so I couldn't comment on a particular sound.

One caveat with the older loopers, while you don't have to start and stop a 
loop, it also means that you don't have any control over that.  It was a 
little difficult to get a "seamless" loop as you had to anticipate exact 
loop length and play into that.








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hi new member-my looping experience is "new" also, but if you
are going to use a looper live, i would recommend a foot-pedal oriented 
thing.
if you get a rack delay/looper you'll have to get a foot controller of some 
kind. my first digital delay pedal, the yamaha dds-20m (from late 80's) did 
something like you wanted. it had a sample mode where you could sample
1.2 sec of material and play it back hitting the pedal button. it also
had 1.2 sec of delay.
i'm sure that some of the newer pedals, the boss dd-6 or the digitech 
x-series
delay would do something similar (i don't have them, just have read about 
them).
those both have 4-5 sec of delay/looping time.
some thoughts for you. i'm sure others will chime in.
s---


>hi all,
>
>i'm a new member. i got a question, sorry if you've gone
>over this before, i've checked the archives but didn't find
>an answer...
>
>i'm looking for a simple looper to do live loops not based
>on tempo. i'm trying to mimic the thing trey anastasio of
>the band phish does in songs like "ghost" and "sand" and
>"first tube"....
>
>i've looked at the boomerang and the new boss looper, but
>these require you to start the loop as well as stop. so now
>i'm looking at old-school rackmount delays, which don't
>require you to start the loop, only to hit the "hold"
>button to make it start looping.
>
>i've heard trey uses the ibanez dm-2000 for this stuff, but
>it only has a 2-second delay i think.
>
>anybody have experience with the following units? (i can
>get these units locally)
>- ibanez dmd-1000 (1-2 sec delay?)
>- digitech rds-900 (1-2 sec delay?)
>- ada delay (1 sec delay, profiled here:
>http://www.guitargeek.com/gearview/254/
>- rocktron powerplay fx/delay
>- digitech rds-8000 (8 second delay!!)
>
>right now i'm leaning towards the rds-8000. what should i
>pay for this?? any thoughts on these or other units?? any
>advice is VERY appreciated, email me privately or on the
>list, thank you!!!!!!!!!
>
>i'm looking for something to play riffs into live that will
>repeat it hypnotically ad infinitum...... thanks!
>
>dylan
>dylanhassinger@yahoo.com
>
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can't you just set synch=in on the "slave" boxes?

>...
> so....
> hey Matthias
> would it be possible to modify the "brother hub" with a 
> couple of diodes so that one EDP could always be master? (so 
> that any "slave" EDPs only get the cycle end from one "master" EDP)  
> 
> andy butler
> 

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> i'm looking for a simple looper to do live loops not
> based
> on tempo. i'm trying to mimic the thing trey
> anastasio of
> the band phish does in songs like "ghost" and "sand"
> and
> "first tube"....
>

nice.  glad to see a fellow head on the list.  i
rarely get to hear people mention the phab phour
around here.  i too was influenced by trey's work with
texturing sounds.
 
> i've looked at the boomerang and the new boss
> looper, but
> these require you to start the loop as well as stop.

well, when creating a loop isn't that what you
want...the ability to record a phrase?  

> so now
> i'm looking at old-school rackmount delays, which
> don't
> require you to start the loop, only to hit the
> "hold"
> button to make it start looping.

true, but hitting and holding down a 'hold' button is
virtually the same action as pressing a start and a
stop.

> i've heard trey uses the ibanez dm-2000 for this
> stuff, but
> it only has a 2-second delay i think.
>

you've heard incorrectly.  trey used the boomerang. 
they recently upgraded the boomerang to be able to
hold more than one phrase at a time taboot taboot.
 
> pay for this?? any thoughts on these or other
> units?? any
> advice is VERY appreciated, email me privately or on
> the
> list, thank you!!!!!!!!!
> 
> i'm looking for something to play riffs into live
> that will
> repeat it hypnotically ad infinitum...... thanks!
>

you'd be fine with any of the looping devices instead
of a delay.  i'm guessing that you'd like the ability
to actually loop something longer than 2 seconds? 
even if your sample is going to be short, do you
really want it to go off every 2 seconds?  it is nice
having the blank space so that your loop doesn't start
driving you crazy.

i went with the repeater after trying out the boss.  i
chose the repeater because of its ability to create
loops on 4 separate tracks that you can adjust volume
and add effects to.  the boss one is the cheapest on
the mkt right now (i believe), but you are limited
within its abilities to sync and pretty much do
anything aside from record and reverse.  for the extra
200 or so, it really is worth getting a more
sophisticated piece of gear that you can grow into
over time instead of hitting a wall with it right
away.  

any devices that can be controlled via midi are
excellent because with the propper controller, you can
create presets that will allow you to do your favorite
functions with one button press.  for example, i'm
using the behringer fcb1010 with my repeater and there
was a time where one footswitch was set to mute track
1, move my live signal to track 3, and kick my current
loop into reverse and hit play so that the time sync
wouldn't get thrown off.  i was using this to record a
groove on t1, record a layered sound (ala trey) on
track 2, and then remove my groove loop so that i
could groove live with my reverse layered sound
without missing a beat to do any of the loop
recording.  i don't know if that makes any sense to
you, but it sure was cool to do.

unfortunately, this kind of gear is still in its
infancy and with almost all of the gear there is
limitations and bugs in the software, but for your
purposes, you probably won't encounter many problems
with any of them.  feel free to ask any other
questions...i'd be happy to help.  i was in your
situation about a year ago and it can be really
overwhelming.

peace and bass,
evan
evanmeyers@yahoo.com
 
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I've just been reading a biography of Cage, "the roaring silence".  It's a
fascinating read, and very enlightening.  Cage's experiments and concepts grow out
of very deep-seated spiritual/philosophical beliefs, particularly Zen Buddhism.
In essence, what he was trying to do was create art with no ego involved - even to
the extent of trying to avoid the influence of his likes, dislikes and emotions on
the music.  He felt that the silent piece (4" 33') did this possibly the best.
His other techniques of chance composition, choosing notes by the I Ching, by
coffee stains or scattered pellets on a piece of paper, etc., had the same goal.
It was a way of allowing the universe to create the music with as little guidance
from him as possible.  This could be seen as similiar to the use of Tarot cards,
or the I Ching, where the vagaries of chance can be seen as specific guidance or
advice when interpreted by a knowledgable individual.

I admire him greatly, though I own very little of his music.  He was certainly an
artist working with the medium of sound, as well as paint, dance, printing, etc.

Daryl Shawn
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> i've had an interesting debate w/ a musician friend about cage.
> a lot of his stuff i think is more "conceptual art"--

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>      All in all, I found the Line 6 stomp boxes to
> be an invaluable part of my education in effect
> boxes.  And seeing how I bought them used on eBay
> and then resold them for around the same price,
> the education didn't come at a high price.  

i've always been a big fan of taking advantage of the
no hassel return policy of most of the bigger chain
music stores.  buy it with the card and you have 30
days to explore, experiment, and scope it out. 
obviously...take good care of it, because nothing is
worse than getting stuck with an expensive toy that
you don't even like, but i haven't had any problems. 
once you've made your decision...go to your fav store
or ebay or whatever and make the final purchase. 
because, honestly...what can you figure out about a
piece of gear sitting in a shop with other players all
around you making noise while you try to get the jist
of the gear with a thick manual on your lap and a
sales guy hovering?

peace and bass,
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Dylan wrote:
> i've heard trey uses the ibanez dm-2000 for this
> stuff, but it only has a 2-second delay i think.

If you're looking for an old-school delay with 'hold',
add the Korg SDD-1000 to your list. It's also only two
seconds (2.048, actually, but who's counting); I've
found mine really useful in conjunction with other
loopers. (Like Trey does with the dm-2000 and
Boomerangs)

Also, the DOD DFX-94 sampling delay will grab up to
the last four seconds before you hit the switch. It's
a weird little box, and the source of at least one
gear addiction. (Matt Davignon's claim that he can
give 'em up at any time sounds like denial to me!)

I haven't tried one yet, but the new Boss DD6 does
about 5 1/2 seconds, and unlike the earlier DD*
series, I've been told you don't have to keep standing
on it to keep 'hold' engaged...

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--- Evan Meyers  wrote:
> true, but hitting and holding down a 'hold' button
> is virtually the same action as pressing a start and
> a stop.

Nah, there's a subtle difference between the two. What
Dylan's talking about with the old-school DDL-based
looping (like with the DM-2000, the Digitech Time
Machines, Korg SDD-1000, etc.) is that when the unit
is doing its thing and you step on the 'hold' switch,
it will repeat the *last* cycle that hit it, the loop
length being dependent on whatever the delay setting
was. As long as the delay is happening, the loop is
automatically already open, and you're just
determining the *close* point. With this sort of
looping, you cannot overdub onto the loop. And you
don't have to hold the button down; a regular ol'
momentary-contact switch will trigger it with one tap
(unless you're using something like a DD-3...).

The other devices he's looked at (Boomerang, RC-20) as
well as the Headrush and DL4 require the player to
determine *both* ends of the loop. (With the exception
of a loop exceeding 14 seconds on the DL4, which does
go into overdub at that point.)

While most of Anastasio's looping was done with a pair
of Boomerangs, he did indeed use a DM-2000 as well.

(Excerpt from GP interview with Trey Anastasio 9/94:
"I also have an Ibanez DM-2000, one of the first
digital delays they ever made. It's got this bug in
it. If you have the flange going and you hit the
infinite hold button, it totally freaks out. It makes
all these awful sounds. That's all I use it for.")

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> hi mike. is there any way to make the boomerang midi with a conversion kit
> etc.?

Hi, Jimmy George!  Not trying to spam you but I thought you might be
interested in this: the Looper Construction Kit for Kyma offers a complete
Boomerang emulation.  You can easily add MIDI sync and control to the
emulation.  You can run more than one emulation (probably at least four, but
I haven't tried) on a basic Kyma system.

The manual is available for free download at:
http://www.greenteasoftware.com/download.htm
It includes details on the Boomerang emulation.

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thanks!

--- James Winger  wrote:
> Hey Dylan;
> 
> Digitech made a few long delay racks in that time machine
> series
> 
> you may also want to check out the 3600 - which got about
> 7.2 seconds (you 
> could trim it to about 8) and had digital display.
> 
> I'm not really a big Phish guy, so I couldn't comment on
> a particular sound.
> 
> One caveat with the older loopers, while you don't have
> to start and stop a 
> loop, it also means that you don't have any control over
> that.  It was a 
> little difficult to get a "seamless" loop as you had to
> anticipate exact 
> loop length and play into that.
> 
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> hi new member-my looping experience is "new" also, but if
> you
> are going to use a looper live, i would recommend a
> foot-pedal oriented 
> thing.
> if you get a rack delay/looper you'll have to get a foot
> controller of some 
> kind. my first digital delay pedal, the yamaha dds-20m
> (from late 80's) did 
> something like you wanted. it had a sample mode where you
> could sample
> 1.2 sec of material and play it back hitting the pedal
> button. it also
> had 1.2 sec of delay.
> i'm sure that some of the newer pedals, the boss dd-6 or
> the digitech 
> x-series
> delay would do something similar (i don't have them, just
> have read about 
> them).
> those both have 4-5 sec of delay/looping time.
> some thoughts for you. i'm sure others will chime in.
> s---
> 
> 
> >hi all,
> >
> >i'm a new member. i got a question, sorry if you've gone
> >over this before, i've checked the archives but didn't
> find
> >an answer...
> >
> >i'm looking for a simple looper to do live loops not
> based
> >on tempo. i'm trying to mimic the thing trey anastasio
> of
> >the band phish does in songs like "ghost" and "sand" and
> >"first tube"....
> >
> >i've looked at the boomerang and the new boss looper,
> but
> >these require you to start the loop as well as stop. so
> now
> >i'm looking at old-school rackmount delays, which don't
> >require you to start the loop, only to hit the "hold"
> >button to make it start looping.
> >
> >i've heard trey uses the ibanez dm-2000 for this stuff,
> but
> >it only has a 2-second delay i think.
> >
> >anybody have experience with the following units? (i can
> >get these units locally)
> >- ibanez dmd-1000 (1-2 sec delay?)
> >- digitech rds-900 (1-2 sec delay?)
> >- ada delay (1 sec delay, profiled here:
> >http://www.guitargeek.com/gearview/254/
> >- rocktron powerplay fx/delay
> >- digitech rds-8000 (8 second delay!!)
> >
> >right now i'm leaning towards the rds-8000. what should
> i
> >pay for this?? any thoughts on these or other units??
> any
> >advice is VERY appreciated, email me privately or on the
> >list, thank you!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >i'm looking for something to play riffs into live that
> will
> >repeat it hypnotically ad infinitum...... thanks!
> >
> >dylan
> >dylanhassinger@yahoo.com
> >
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thanks!

--- Tim Nelson  wrote:
> Dylan wrote:
> > i've heard trey uses the ibanez dm-2000 for this
> > stuff, but it only has a 2-second delay i think.
> 
> If you're looking for an old-school delay with 'hold',
> add the Korg SDD-1000 to your list. It's also only two
> seconds (2.048, actually, but who's counting); I've
> found mine really useful in conjunction with other
> loopers. (Like Trey does with the dm-2000 and
> Boomerangs)
> 
> Also, the DOD DFX-94 sampling delay will grab up to
> the last four seconds before you hit the switch. It's
> a weird little box, and the source of at least one
> gear addiction. (Matt Davignon's claim that he can
> give 'em up at any time sounds like denial to me!)
> 
> I haven't tried one yet, but the new Boss DD6 does
> about 5 1/2 seconds, and unlike the earlier DD*
> series, I've been told you don't have to keep standing
> on it to keep 'hold' engaged...
> 
> -t-
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thanks!

--- Tim Nelson  wrote:
> 
> --- Evan Meyers  wrote:
> > true, but hitting and holding down a 'hold' button
> > is virtually the same action as pressing a start and
> > a stop.
> 
> Nah, there's a subtle difference between the two. What
> Dylan's talking about with the old-school DDL-based
> looping (like with the DM-2000, the Digitech Time
> Machines, Korg SDD-1000, etc.) is that when the unit
> is doing its thing and you step on the 'hold' switch,
> it will repeat the *last* cycle that hit it, the loop
> length being dependent on whatever the delay setting
> was. As long as the delay is happening, the loop is
> automatically already open, and you're just
> determining the *close* point. With this sort of
> looping, you cannot overdub onto the loop. And you
> don't have to hold the button down; a regular ol'
> momentary-contact switch will trigger it with one tap
> (unless you're using something like a DD-3...).
> 
> The other devices he's looked at (Boomerang, RC-20) as
> well as the Headrush and DL4 require the player to
> determine *both* ends of the loop. (With the exception
> of a loop exceeding 14 seconds on the DL4, which does
> go into overdub at that point.)
> 
> While most of Anastasio's looping was done with a pair
> of Boomerangs, he did indeed use a DM-2000 as well.
> 
> (Excerpt from GP interview with Trey Anastasio 9/94:
> "I also have an Ibanez DM-2000, one of the first
> digital delays they ever made. It's got this bug in
> it. If you have the flange going and you hit the
> infinite hold button, it totally freaks out. It makes
> all these awful sounds. That's all I use it for.")
> 
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thanks for the many insightful comments on my last
question. i get it now. and, sorry about the multiple
"thanks", i thought i was replying to the senders, not the
list..........

ok, new question

as far as start/stop style loopers, what's the best? and
what's the best for the money? i don't really care to much
about speeding/slowing it down or reverse. although these
are cool features if the money's right. but all i need is
something where i can hit "start", play a riff, hit "stop",
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solo over it without adding my new crap to the loop. what's
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> whats the latest today?<

gone a bit quiet- there was some footage on the news the other day of his G4's being bubble-wrapped and carted off by the met's finest. meanwhile, the police have named a well-known british tv presenter today on similar charges, and the feller that was the manager of the bay city rollers.
anyway, the hell with all these kiddy-fiddlers, alleged or otherwise. I went to see arthur's show last night (the forever changes concert) and it was totally fantastic. no looping... in fact, no technology at all. real musicians, no multitrack or samples. I was time-warped back to 1968 and enjoyed every minute. if you get a chance, go see.

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> whats the latest today?<




gone a bit quiet- there was some footage on the news the =
other day of his G4's being bubble-wrapped and carted off by the met's fine=
st. meanwhile, the police have named a well-known british tv presenter toda=
y on similar charges, and the feller that was the manager of the bay city r=
ollers.



anyway, the hell with all these kiddy-fiddlers, alleged o=
r otherwise. I went to see arthur's show last night (the forever changes co=
ncert) and it was totally fantastic. no looping... in fact, no technology a=
t all. real musicians, no multitrack or samples. I was time-warped back to =
1968 and enjoyed every minute. if you get a chance, go see.



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>>I don't seem to be able to unassign Delay Time from the pedal. So, if, for example, I want to bring up the repeats as I put my toe down, I set a couple of repeats at heal position and lots at the toe position. I don't touch Delay Time, and when using the pedal, the Delay Time will always change causing the spaceship effect.<<

it's been a while... but I think you have to set one of the pedal positions before the other one- the order is important though I can't remember which way round it is.... and you have to re-store the preset before it "takes". if that doesn't work, then summat's buggered. you could try re-storing the preset with no pedal plugged in to "clear" any memory it might have of the snapshotted positions. 
then you could try deliberately moving the delay time knob a tiny bit and back again in order to "re-register" the alternate position, in case the dl4 is assuming, in the absence of any other data, that you wanted to carry on using the erroneous setting.

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>>I don't seem to be able to unassign Delay Time fr=
om the pedal. So, if, for example, I want to bring up the repeats as I put =
my toe down, I set a couple of repeats at heal position and lots at the toe=
 position. I don't touch Delay Time, and when using the pedal, the Delay Ti=
me will always change causing the spaceship effect.<<



it's been a while... but I think you have to set one of t=
he pedal positions before the other one- the order is important though I ca=
n't remember which way round it is.... and you have to re-store the preset =
before it "takes". if that doesn't work, then summat's buggered. =
you could try re-storing the preset with no pedal plugged in to "clear=
" any memory it might have of the snapshotted positions. 



then you could try deliberately moving the delay time kno=
b a tiny bit and back again in order to "re-register" the alterna=
te position, in case the dl4 is assuming, in the absence of any other data,=
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anyway, the hell with all these kiddy-fiddlers, alleged or otherwise. I
went to see arthur's show last night (the forever changes concert) and
it was totally fantastic. no looping... in fact, no technology at all.
real musicians, no multitrack or samples. I was time-warped back to 1968
and enjoyed every minute. if you get a chance, go see.
Saw Arthur Lee and Love (do you actually think people know what you're
talking about. England is the only country on a 1st name basis with him)
this last summer in Portland. Wish the Forever Changes show would come
here (but for some reason only England 'gets' him). Great to see another
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anyway, the hell with all these =
kiddy-fiddlers,
alleged or otherwise. I went to see arthur's show last night (the =
forever
changes concert) and it was totally fantastic. no looping... in fact, no
technology at all. real musicians, no multitrack or samples. I was =
time-warped
back to 1968 and enjoyed every minute. if you get a chance, go =
see.



Saw Arthur Lee and Love (do you =
actually
think people know what you’re talking about. =
England is the only country on a =
1st name
basis with him) this last summer in =
Portland. Wish the Forever Changes show =
would come
here (but for some reason only =
England ‘gets’ him). Great =
to see
another looper into =
this…



 



 









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[looper's] OT RE: whats up with Pete Townsend?Signed D.C.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Neil Goldstein=20
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  Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:39 AM
  Subject: RE: [looper's] OT RE: whats up with Pete Townsend (arthur)?


  anyway, the hell with all these kiddy-fiddlers, alleged or otherwise. =
I went to see arthur's show last night (the forever changes concert) and =
it was totally fantastic. no looping... in fact, no technology at all. =
real musicians, no multitrack or samples. I was time-warped back to 1968 =
and enjoyed every minute. if you get a chance, go see.

  Saw Arthur Lee and Love (do you actually think people know what you're =
talking about. England is the only country on a 1st name basis with him) =
this last summer in Portland. Wish the Forever Changes show would come =
here (but for some reason only England 'gets' him). Great to see another =
looper into this.

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Signed D.C.



  
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rs-delight.com=20
  

  
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2003 11:39=20
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anyway, the hell with all these =
kiddy-fiddlers,=20
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forever=20
  changes concert) and it was totally fantastic. no looping... in fact, =
no=20
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time-warped=20
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  see.

  
Saw Arthur Lee =
and Love (do=20
  you actually think people know what you’re talking about.=20
  England is the only country on a =
1st=20
  name basis with him) this last summer in=20
  Portland. Wish the Forever Changes =
show would=20
  come here (but for some reason only=20
  England ‘gets’ him). =
Great to see another looper into =
this…

  
 

  
 


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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/petetownshend1.html

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--- Neil Goldstein  wrote:
> Saw Arthur Lee and Love... 

There's an Arthur Lee on this very list! (The first
time I saw one of his posts, I clicked on the link in
his sig file to se if it was *that* Arthur!)

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HI Daryl,

I read your post about reading Cage's biography with interest.

I have always loved Cage.  I even have a first edition copy that I got him
to sign
of 'SILENCE' which would be a fantastic next read after the biography you
mentioned.
He has a whole section of zen parables about mushroom hunting which are
wonderfully
thoughtprovoking.  I love a lot of that book. Another fantastic book along
those lines
is the book 'Zen Bones, Zen Flesh' which I find to be a wonderful book about
music
(although it is not specifically about music).  While we are on the subject,
the book
"Zen Mind, Beginners Mind" by Suzuki is the BEST BOOK i've ever read about
practising as a musician and how to overcome difficulties with hard
technical practising.  I became
a pretty decent trapset player almost entirely because of the things I
learned from that
book.

I found with Cage that frequently his theories were more intriguing and
stimulating to me
than a lot of his music was , but you have to hear the piece for toy piano
he did that
Lou Harrison composed a symphonic suite to...........just beautiful.
All his prepared piano stuff, too, is awesome.

There's a great Cage retrospective on a two album Columbia set that you
might be able to find somewhere used.

As a joke on my latest CD,  I enclosed a 'hidden' track on the first few
copies
that I call  4'33"  The XTREME MIX.

If you listen to it............it's way quieter than any other version ever
recorded.
;-)

can't wait to read that biography.  my wife works at a bookstore so I'll
order it.

thanks for posting and giving me the chance to reminisce so pleasurably.

yours, Rick Walker

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wow! hey thanks dennis. have you tried this?

peace
jimmy george

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> > hi mike. is there any way to make the boomerang midi with a conversion
kit
> > etc.?
>
> Hi, Jimmy George!  Not trying to spam you but I thought you might be
> interested in this: the Looper Construction Kit for Kyma offers a complete
> Boomerang emulation.  You can easily add MIDI sync and control to the
> emulation.  You can run more than one emulation (probably at least four,
but
> I haven't tried) on a basic Kyma system.
>
> The manual is available for free download at:
> http://www.greenteasoftware.com/download.htm
> It includes details on the Boomerang emulation.
>
> Dennis Leas
> -------------------
> dennis@mail.worldserver.com
>
>

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my new looper: http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?
catid=3&subcatid=21&prodid=DD%2D20

my new sequencer: http://five12.com

i'm pretty anxious for the delay pedal. i wish it was rackmounted.

i've been using the sequencer for awhile, and it's alot of fun.

Eric Williamson
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He wrote the Looper Construction Kit.
Wonder how his recovery from the biking accident is going.
I am typing this with two hands and about to go to my doctor's appointment
to get the sutures removed from my right shoulder rotator cuff thang.
So I feel pretty good.
Played miserable guitar with both hands last night briefly to test the
Jamman Looper on the MPX G2.  It works . . .  Haven't tried any clock stuff
yet.
More later.
Gary

Oh and certainly by all means, peace


..wow! hey thanks dennis. have you tried this?

peace
jimmy george

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> > hi mike. is there any way to make the boomerang midi with a conversion
kit
> > etc.?
>
> Hi, Jimmy George!  Not trying to spam you but I thought you might be
> interested in this: the Looper Construction Kit for Kyma offers a complete
> Boomerang emulation.  You can easily add MIDI sync and control to the
> emulation.  You can run more than one emulation (probably at least four,
but
> I haven't tried) on a basic Kyma system.
>
> The manual is available for free download at:
> http://www.greenteasoftware.com/download.htm
> It includes details on the Boomerang emulation.


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Rick, thanks much for the reading, and listening recommendations.  I've always
been attracted to Zen thoughts, and the Cage book definitely made me more
interested.  I need to hear more of his music!

looping...I think there are some looping connections in JC's work.  In Fripp's
solo looping pieces, I always find the silences to be as profound as the notes;
and in that and other looping works, the passage of time between recognizable
repetitions carries a lot of weight.  Also I know personally I enjoy the element
of chance in looping; it's near-impossible to predict what will happen as one's
playing is trapped in time and repeatedly brought back to be combined with the
present.

JC (and other folks of the 30's and 40's) liked to take familiar noises, like
traffic, and put them in a different context to change the perception of the
original.  I think that's kinda like looping; a phrase can quickly become
familiar, and as things are added to it or the original is morphed into
something else, the original retains it's familiarity but becomes something
else.

cagily,

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com




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Could anyone suggest why a Boomerang (upgraded a while ago) that was
never noisy before, using the rca connectors, would suddenly be a noisy
beast when plugged into a guitar amp?? I shipped it to a friend of mine,
and he has scratchy pot noise from the trim knob, and noise in the 1/4
inch connects. Any help REALLY appreciated!!

TIA,

John Hunter
Black Lotus Sound

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From: Douglas Baldwin 
Subject: Re: boomerang vs. rc-20 vs. line6 vs ??
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Dylan wrote:
> as far as start/stop style loopers, what's the best? and
> what's the best for the money? i don't really care to much
> about speeding/slowing it down or reverse. although these
> are cool features if the money's right. but all i need is
> something where i can hit "start", play a riff, hit "stop",
> and get it to start repeating. then hopefully it'll let me
> solo over it without adding my new crap to the loop. what's
> the best for the buck?

Again, my vote is for the Headrush. In the newest Musicians Friend, the
RC-20 is $280, the Boomer is $450, the Line 6 is $250, but the 'rush is a
baby bird: Cheap! Cheap! at $170.

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Ya, know...the RC-20 isn't half-bad. No UNDO of course which makes for exact
playing but having the 10 loops is pretty nice for this level of machine
(plus a 'one-shot'). Why the developer's only allow scroll-up through the
loops (with an optional footpedal) and didn't provide a scroll-down or even
start from Loop 1 is a mystery. That feature would have increased the
usability of the Loop Station greatly. Decent sound quality, though. And,
it's fairly easy to use. Adjusting appropriate input levels is a breeze,
too.

Regards, Paul
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> Dylan wrote:
> > as far as start/stop style loopers, what's the best? and
> > what's the best for the money? i don't really care to much
> > about speeding/slowing it down or reverse. although these
> > are cool features if the money's right. but all i need is
> > something where i can hit "start", play a riff, hit "stop",
> > and get it to start repeating. then hopefully it'll let me
> > solo over it without adding my new crap to the loop. what's
> > the best for the buck?
>
> Again, my vote is for the Headrush. In the newest Musicians Friend, the
> RC-20 is $280, the Boomer is $450, the Line 6 is $250, but the 'rush is a
> baby bird: Cheap! Cheap! at $170.
>
>


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This is the list of things which I want in one unit, if any one of these features is missing, I don't want it. I need at least 4 seconds of delay. I need a sample and hold mode. I need stereo outputs. I need to be able to tweek the time control and get a smooth sweep in pitch (pedal control of this would be nice but not an absolute necessity). I need multi tap delays with individual panning and pitch shifting for each tap. One other feature which I'd *really* like to have but will forgo if I can get all the others is, the ability to use midi signals to adjust the speed of the delay to various levels in a rythmic sequence, resulting in a step-like change in pitch allowing me to craft pitch shifted melodies from a simple looped drone. Is my dream impossible?
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This is the list of things which I want in one unit, if any one of these features is missing, I don't want it. I need at least 4 seconds of delay. I need a sample and hold mode. I need stereo outputs. I need to be able to tweek the time control and get a smooth sweep in pitch (pedal control of this would be nice but not an absolute necessity). I need multi tap delays with individual panning and pitch shifting for each tap. One other feature which I'd *really* like to have but will forgo if I can get all the others is, the ability to use midi signals to adjust the speed of the delay to various levels in a rythmic sequence, resulting in a step-like change in pitch allowing me to craft pitch shifted melodies from a simple looped drone. Is my dream impossible?
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so what are "ultra-smooth delay effects"?

> 
> my new looper: http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?
> catid=3&subcatid=21&prodid=DD%2D20
> 

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>can't you just set synch=in on the "slave" boxes?

yes, that works!
Its not quite according to the intention, since Sync=in also opens to 
create little correction jumps at the loop end. But I just tried it 
and it does what we expect: Since the two machines run at the same 
speed on sample clock level, that sync correction happens once and 
then never more.
So I realize its actually a way to test whether two units really sync 
up on sample clock level (which not all do, unfortunatelly... the 
tolerances changed over the years...)

>
>>...
>>  so....
>>  hey Matthias
>>  would it be possible to modify the "brother hub" with a
>>  couple of diodes so that one EDP could always be master? (so
>>  that any "slave" EDPs only get the cycle end from one "master" EDP) 
>>
>>  andy butler
>>


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>  > I know a stereo 1/4" cable is the norm for BrotherSync, but what's the
>>   best way to go about getting more than two EDP's sync'd up?  I assume
>>   some sort of splitter would be the way to get more than two in sync at
>>   the same time...?
>
>well I've made a little box which I think
>should maybe be called a
>BROTHER HUB

nice!

>just a metal box with 4 (or more!)
>stereo jack sockets, all of them
>paralleled
>( that means all tips together, all rings together and
>all earths together)
>
>I made this in anticipation of the recent Norwich UK loopfest,
>but there just wasn't a chance to try it out.
>
>Just basic DIY and soldering.
>
>I hear that there are difficulties when more than 2 EDPs
>are brothered however, as when 2 or more EDPs are running they
>all send the sync pulse. The 3rd EDP can get confused by the
>double sync pulse, because even with the first 2 EDPs synced up
>there's 2 pulses per cycle.

If two units are together, they send the pulse at the same times, so 
it looks as one and its easy for the third unit to sync in.
The dificulty is when two brothers already run with diferent timing 
and the third tries to find the time of one or the other, because he 
may catch the pulse of one unit as start and a pulse of the other 
unit as stop and such be off again. So in this situation you have to 
be carefull when you press RECORD to get the timing you want.

ReAlign works when Sync=Out (not OuS!), which I find quite important. 
It allowes you to get off your brothers by doing Inverse, Retrigger, 
HalfSpeed or whatever moves the loop start point, and when you want 
to join them in rhythm again, just press MUTE-MULTIPLY.
Again, if your two brothers are off each other, you have to press 
MULTIPLY just before the startpoint of the brother you want to join 
in with.

>
>so....
>hey Matthias
>would it be possible to modify the "brother hub" with a couple
>of diodes so that one EDP could always be master?
>(so that any "slave" EDPs only get the cycle end from one "master" EDP)

interesting idea... instead of calling them "master" and "slave", we 
could have a "leader" selector switch and as you say, it should be 
possible just with diodes at the ring.

I just tried it with the two units on my bench and it worked.

So at each jack you have a diode pointing from the ring to the bus 
and the leader selector shorts the diode on the jack you select.
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>--- Evan Meyers  wrote:
>>  true, but hitting and holding down a 'hold' button
>>  is virtually the same action as pressing a start and
>>  a stop.
>
>Nah, there's a subtle difference between the two. What
>Dylan's talking about with the old-school DDL-based
>looping (like with the DM-2000, the Digitech Time
>Machines, Korg SDD-1000, etc.) is that when the unit
>is doing its thing and you step on the 'hold' switch,
>it will repeat the *last* cycle that hit it, the loop
>length being dependent on whatever the delay setting
>was. As long as the delay is happening, the loop is
>automatically already open, and you're just
>determining the *close* point. With this sort of
>looping, you cannot overdub onto the loop. And you
>don't have to hold the button down; a regular ol'
>momentary-contact switch will trigger it with one tap
>(unless you're using something like a DD-3...).

We offer such function in the EDP as "Rehearse"
Set InsertMode to "rhr" (default)
Set the loop lenght with RECORD-INSERT and it will keep repeating once.
As soon as you are happy with the last cycle, press INSERT to keep it 
"frozen" or press OVERDUB to keep overdubbing...
If you have a pedal connected and are in Stu mode (only LOOP4), you 
can set the FB separately, just for the Rehearse phase.
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Hi Matthias!

Matthias Grob wrote:
> But I just tried it
> and it does what we expect: Since the two machines run at the same
> speed on sample clock level, that sync correction happens once and
> then never more.
> So I realize its actually a way to test whether two units really sync
> up on sample clock level (which not all do, unfortunatelly... the
> tolerances changed over the years...)

Just to be sure I understand you here, is this the correct means to
determine whether two EDPs are running at the same tolerance?

1) Connect two EDP's via Brothersync
2) Set one to Sync=Out and the other to Sync=Im
3) Record a loop on the master, then one on the slave
4) See if sync correction keeps happening more than once 

Is this correct?

I'd prefer to make sure that all three or four EDP's at a gig are
Brothersync compatible with one another before we all actually take the stage...

Thanks Matthias, and I hope you're doing well (and that your lady is
healing well!)  Wish us luck on the tour...

Best wishes,

--Andre LaFosse
http://www.altruistmusic.com

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On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 09:14  PM, Jim Palmer wrote:
> so what are "ultra-smooth delay effects"?

i don't know. i'm not really that concerned, i'm just delighted that i 
have an option (albeit not rackmount) for clean simple long delay 
lines. i'm very excited, especially if it's in stereo (then i can have 
two and really do some damage, and not worry about wether the L and R 
are in phase or not).

---
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get a rang. buy the old model used for 100 to 200 on line, ebay, then pay
mike nelson 75. for the upgrade to 24 bit dual loops etc.

if you are gonna want midi look for a used jamman.

bol
jimmy george
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----- Original Message -----
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> Dylan wrote:
> > as far as start/stop style loopers, what's the best? and
> > what's the best for the money? i don't really care to much
> > about speeding/slowing it down or reverse. although these
> > are cool features if the money's right. but all i need is
> > something where i can hit "start", play a riff, hit "stop",
> > and get it to start repeating. then hopefully it'll let me
> > solo over it without adding my new crap to the loop. what's
> > the best for the buck?
>
> Again, my vote is for the Headrush. In the newest Musicians Friend, the
> RC-20 is $280, the Boomer is $450, the Line 6 is $250, but the 'rush is a
> baby bird: Cheap! Cheap! at $170.
>
>

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check your input level knob? try spraying gout the connectors with a good
electronic spray as well.

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> Could anyone suggest why a Boomerang (upgraded a while ago) that was
> never noisy before, using the rca connectors, would suddenly be a noisy
> beast when plugged into a guitar amp?? I shipped it to a friend of mine,
> and he has scratchy pot noise from the trim knob, and noise in the 1/4
> inch connects. Any help REALLY appreciated!!
>
> TIA,
>
> John Hunter
> Black Lotus Sound
>
>

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you could do most of that with a Repeater and a MIDI pedalboard/pc1600x 
or something.

or you could construct it in an Eventide.

to keep from confusing yourself, i would get several different things 
that fit the bill. my opinion ...

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:39  PM, Kirkland Mack wrote:

> This is the list of things which I want in one unit, if any one of 
> these features is missing, I don't want it. I need at least 4 seconds 
> of delay. I need a sample and hold mode. I need stereo outputs. I need 
> to be able to tweek the time control and get a smooth sweep in pitch 
> (pedal control of this would be nice but not an absolute necessity). I 
> need multi tap delays with individual panning and pitch shifting for 
> each tap. One other feature which I'd *really* like to have but will 
> forgo if I can get all the others is, the ability to use midi signals 
> to adjust the speed of the delay to various levels in a rythmic 
> sequence, resulting in a step-like change in pitch allowing me to 
> craft pitch shifted melodies from a simple looped drone. Is my dream 
> impossible?
---
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  Daryl said, in regard to Cage, It was a way of allowing the universe to
create the music with as little guidance
from him as possible.

  I think this is very interesting, since to me, the universe is already
doing this constantly.  -within us, without us, and around us, all the
time...   -All we need to do is be open and enjoy it...      -it's
certainly an amazing performance!   lol!   

Smiles,

Cara


>
>I've just been reading a biography of Cage, "the roaring silence".  It's a
>fascinating read, and very enlightening.  Cage's experiments and concepts
grow out
>of very deep-seated spiritual/philosophical beliefs, particularly Zen
Buddhism.
>In essence, what he was trying to do was create art with no ego involved -
even to
>the extent of trying to avoid the influence of his likes, dislikes and
emotions on
>the music.  He felt that the silent piece (4" 33') did this possibly the
best.
>His other techniques of chance composition, choosing notes by the I Ching, by
>coffee stains or scattered pellets on a piece of paper, etc., had the same
goal.
>It was a way of allowing the universe to create the music with as little
guidance
>from him as possible.  This could be seen as similiar to the use of Tarot
cards,
>or the I Ching, where the vagaries of chance can be seen as specific
guidance or
>advice when interpreted by a knowledgable individual.
>
>I admire him greatly, though I own very little of his music.  He was
certainly an
>artist working with the medium of sound, as well as paint, dance,
printing, etc.
>
>Daryl Shawn
>highhorse@mhorse.com
>
>
>> i've had an interesting debate w/ a musician friend about cage.
>> a lot of his stuff i think is more "conceptual art"--
>
>


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<>>

Hmm, that Bay City Rollers manager can't keep
himself out of trouble, can he? I heard he got
busted sometime back for fooling around with
underaged boys, though I seem to recall he said
that in this case, the underaged boys were 19 or
something like that (as if to suggest that laws
in question of whichever country it was that he
was busted were more restrictive than even here
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Eventide. Hmm. With all that I've heard of this monster, I think now may be an appropriate time for me to start fiending for one. I have this crazy idea of selling a $2800 classical guitar I've barely touched since I left school to finance other gear. Not really so crazy is it? I've becoming interested in a new genre of music. I guess I'm sort of seeing the looper light.  Which Eventide is best or what do the different models excel at or where can I download manuals for them? Is an Eventide a well qualified replacement for EDP's and Repeaters? On the other hand, what several things would fit my bill best in your opinion? Is there any delay you know of that can sequence through preset delay time values like I mentioned? I extend my thanks to anyone who can help me or has helped me. Merry today. Peace on earth and good will toward men. My new years resolution should have been year round yuletide. Does anyone know what yuletide means? - Kirk
 Eric Williamson  wrote:you could do most of that with a Repeater and a MIDI pedalboard/pc1600x 
or something.

or you could construct it in an Eventide.

to keep from confusing yourself, i would get several different things 
that fit the bill. my opinion ...

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Eventide. Hmm. With all that I've heard of this monster, I think now may be an appropriate time for me to start fiending for one. I have this crazy idea of selling a $2800 classical guitar I've barely touched since I left school to finance other gear. Not really so crazy is it? I've becoming interested in a new genre of music. I guess I'm sort of seeing the looper light.  Which Eventide is best or what do the different models excel at or where can I download manuals for them? Is an Eventide a well qualified replacement for EDP's and Repeaters? On the other hand, what several things would fit my bill best in your opinion? Is there any delay you know of that can sequence through preset delay time values like I mentioned? I extend my thanks to anyone who can help me or has helped me. Merry today. Peace on earth and good will toward men. My new years resolution should have been year round yuletide. Does anyone know what yuletide means? - Kirk

 Eric Williamson <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:

you could do most of that with a Repeater and a MIDI pedalboard/pc1600x 
or something.

or you could construct it in an Eventide.

to keep from confusing yourself, i would get several different things 
that fit the bill. my opinion ...

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:39 PM, Kirkland Mack wrote:


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> 4'33"  The XTREME MIX.  If you listen to it............it's way quieter 
than 
> any other version ever recorded. ;-)  

that's because you should have opened the windows first;-)

it's not a silent piece at all really, the score tells the performer
to open the windows of the auditorium to let in sounds from 
outside. 
The rustling of leaves, singing of birds,
traffic noise .....whatever , that was the music.

I guess the "silent piece" stuff was invented by music critics.


....and have to agree about the prepared piano stuff, 
excellent music whether you heard the "theories"
or not.

andy butler 
 

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> < news the other day of his G4's being
> bubbble-wrapped and carted off by the met's
> finest. meanwhile, the police have named a
> well-known british tv presenter today on similar
> charges, and the feller that was the manager of
> the bay city roller>>>
>
> Hmm, that Bay City Rollers manager can't keep
> himself out of trouble, can he? I heard he got
> busted sometime back for fooling around with
> underaged boys, though I seem to recall he said
> that in this case, the underaged boys were 19 or
> something like that (as if to suggest that laws
> in question of whichever country it was that he
> was busted were more restrictive than even here
> in the US).

Depends on what US state you're in, Chris.  In Maryland oral sex - giving OR
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Friends,

could you communicate me the approximate price for an Electrix Repeater,
which has OS 1.1, the basic 16 MB card, excellent condition... I am looking
for one. Germany.

Thanks

martin

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--- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:
> > 4'33"  The XTREME MIX.  If you listen to
> >it............it's way quieter  than 
> > any other version ever recorded. ;-)  
> 
> that's because you should have opened the windows
> first;-)

Rick's letting the *listener* open their windows; his
recording is intentionally quiet so that one
particular Santa Cruz car horn honk won't be heard
every time around. ;-) Honk...

I find Rick's version refreshing, because so many
performers take liberties with the tempo of that
piece, usually playing it waaaay too fast. ;-) ;-)

Honk...

What I'm waiting for is someone to perform Ligeti's
'Poeme Symphonique' with *one* metronome and 100 EDPs!

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That brings me to something I was wondering. Didn't Cage win some kind of 
legal thing regarding that recording of silence? Or was it the length of 
silence that was the copyright infringement?? Anyway, just wondered if the 
gaps between every album track and CD track could be classed as a derivitave 
copyright???

Honk!

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That brings me to something I was wondering. Didn't Cage win some kind of legal thing regarding that recording of silence? Or was it the length of silence that was the copyright infringement?? Anyway, just wondered if the gaps between every album track and CD track could be classed as a derivitave copyright???



Honk!


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i am wanting to use an EDP and a jamman, or repeater to sync to midi so that 
my rhythmic loops and basslines will be dead in time with a drummer.  is 
there a suggestion for a unit that will control this process maybe 
rackmount?  if a drum machine could i use the drum machine or groove box as 
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>  The EDP and Repeater have great power,
>but are different things and most useful for those who enjoy twisting
>and control of multiple loops (and like reading manuals).

no, I did not build the EDP for this and dont use it like that, personally

>  The 16-second
>DDL is just hands-on immense fun.

and the EDP isnt?
It has more functions, but there is no need to use them.

Reasons for a reissue of the EH:
- cheaper / smaller than a EDP - as other units on the market are.

- the specific sound characteristic, given by the Bucket-Brigade 
technology - but thats the chip which is not available any more! 
Also, this sound probably can be reasonably well moduled, I dont how 
how good the DL4 is at that.

- The speed/pitch variation as well discussed in other posts
You dont need a Bucket-Brigade for that, as it works very similarely 
on the early digital delays which used pure HW AD and DA converters 
that can be clocked just like the Bucket-Brigade. Or do you hear a 
difference I am not aware of?
The newer cheap and good converters (CODECs) all have an internal 
processor and thus cannot be clocked freely. So to reissue a unit 
that works like the old digital delays you woud have to use old, 
expensive, noisy, hard to find parts (I did not dig throug that chip 
market recently, so I may be wrong).
We are aware that we should provide that in a future EDP kind of product.
In order not to turn the HW expensive, we should do it by software 
modeling. Since the EDP works with a endless memory and not by 
reading samples, it should not be too dificult. But I cannot promiss 
nothing here...
I wonder whether Line6 tried and did not succeed or whether they did 
not think of it?

It becomes even more tricky if you want to module the mechanical 
characteristics of a tape echo speed control...

-- 


          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

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The drummer will be dead in time  8^/

-----Original Message-----
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i am wanting to use an EDP and a jamman, or repeater to sync to midi so that
my rhythmic loops and basslines will be dead in time with a drummer.  is
there a suggestion for a unit that will control this process maybe
rackmount?  if a drum machine could i use the drum machine or groove box as
well.  how do i set it up?
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Yeah, I'm curious about that pedal (as if I need another looping 
device!) it seems sweet.  If only you could midi synch it...  I wish 
there were a floor looper that synched to MIDI.  I used to be anti foot 
pedal, but I'm realizing that I end up having something that takes up 
one or two rack spaces AND requires a sizable foot pedal to control.

I've had fun lately going to gigs with only a guitar, Repeater and 
Digitech Gnx2.  I can be set up and playing in under 10 minutes.  The 
loopfests I did last summer inspired me to lean out my rig for small 
gigs.

Mark Sottilaro

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 02:13 PM, Eric Williamson wrote:

> my new looper: http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?
> catid=3&subcatid=21&prodid=DD%2D20
>
> my new sequencer: http://five12.com
>
> i'm pretty anxious for the delay pedal. i wish it was rackmounted.
>
> i've been using the sequencer for awhile, and it's alot of fun.
>
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
>

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So I wonder how this new Roland Delay pedal is doing it.  My MoFX delay 
also seems to be able to act just like my old delay pedals of 
yesteryear....

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Matthias Grob wrote:

>>  The EDP and Repeater have great power,
>> but are different things and most useful for those who enjoy twisting
>> and control of multiple loops (and like reading manuals).
>
> no, I did not build the EDP for this and dont use it like that, 
> personally
>
>>  The 16-second
>> DDL is just hands-on immense fun.
>
> and the EDP isnt?
> It has more functions, but there is no need to use them.
>
> Reasons for a reissue of the EH:
> - cheaper / smaller than a EDP - as other units on the market are.
>
> - the specific sound characteristic, given by the Bucket-Brigade 
> technology - but thats the chip which is not available any more! Also, 
> this sound probably can be reasonably well moduled, I dont how how 
> good the DL4 is at that.
>
> - The speed/pitch variation as well discussed in other posts
> You dont need a Bucket-Brigade for that, as it works very similarely 
> on the early digital delays which used pure HW AD and DA converters 
> that can be clocked just like the Bucket-Brigade. Or do you hear a 
> difference I am not aware of?
> The newer cheap and good converters (CODECs) all have an internal 
> processor and thus cannot be clocked freely. So to reissue a unit that 
> works like the old digital delays you woud have to use old, expensive, 
> noisy, hard to find parts (I did not dig throug that chip market 
> recently, so I may be wrong).
> We are aware that we should provide that in a future EDP kind of 
> product.
> In order not to turn the HW expensive, we should do it by software 
> modeling. Since the EDP works with a endless memory and not by reading 
> samples, it should not be too dificult. But I cannot promiss nothing 
> here...
> I wonder whether Line6 tried and did not succeed or whether they did 
> not think of it?
>
> It becomes even more tricky if you want to module the mechanical 
> characteristics of a tape echo speed control...
>
> -- 
>
>
>          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>

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Check eBay.  Last one went for $1025 US.

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 03:30 AM, Martin Schwutke wrote:

> Friends,
>
> could you communicate me the approximate price for an Electrix 
> Repeater,
> which has OS 1.1, the basic 16 MB card, excellent condition... I am 
> looking
> for one. Germany.
>
> Thanks
>
> martin
>

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Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> 
> Check eBay.  Last one went for $1025 US.

Actually,the average is around 700.00-750.00.I've been watching because
I'm considering selling mine.

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Tim Nelson wrote:

"I find Rick's version refreshing, because so many
performers take liberties with the tempo of that
piece, usually playing it waaaay too fast. ;-) ;-)"


I was actually really influenced by the Melvins with this
recording (and there goes that honk again, right as I start 
to play this brilliant rendition of mine for the 14th time today.

Eeeeeeeeeeery!

Actually, I'm considering looping this entire performance with
my entire arsenal of looping gear,  2 jampersons, 2 DL4s, on Electrix
Repeater and one GIBSON EDP just so that we can actually say 
that this thread is about looping and not piss off the 
OT phobes on the list (don't flame me, I'm being lovingly tongue
in cheek here---most of them bug me too).

Yeah, I"m just thinking of calling my entire next CD, Silence:

a four CD set of these variations on a theme.  Yep, I'm pretty sure
I can get 4 hours and 33 minutes on four CDs.  Anyone wanna do the 
math for me. I have a cold and have to drive 7 hours to NAMM today.

later, silence freaks!!!

Rick Walker

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link tomlin wrote:

"That brings me to something I was wondering. Didn't Cage win some kind of
legal thing regarding that recording of silence? Or was it the length of
silence that was the copyright infringement?? Anyway, just wondered if the
gaps between every album track and CD track could be classed as a derivitave
copyright???

Honk!"


Yikes!!!!!   If shady men in black coats show up at a looping festival with
obvious
subpoenas, please let me know so that I can slip out the back door.   I had
included
one extra half second of silence in my recording  (4'33 1/2"?) as a back
door
out of this possible scenario, but I think someone's been tapping my phone.

nervously,  Rick Walker (considering a career in Speed Metal suddenly)



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Hello
A small reminder for all ambienteers and droners near and in Philadelphia:

Gate to Moonbase Alpha (GTMBA) is a montly series that showcases ambient, 
experimental, fringe electronic, space, noise, and other hard-to-define 
musics,  in addition to performance art, innovative visuals, and more.

January's GTMBA will occur TONIGHT Friday the 17th at 8pm.
This event is free for all ages and occurs at The Rotunda, 4012 Walnut 
Street, Philadelphia PA. 
More info: foundationarts.org and 215-573-3234.

Artists this month:

*Atonalis 
(drone & ambient soundscapes, from Baltimore) mp3.com/atonalis
*Kneel 
(undulating ambient tunes winding through pulsating digiscapes) mp3.com/kneel
*Overdrive Date Master 
(vintage vinyl, effects, toy instruments, clapping monkey toy wired for 
percussion, the kitchen sink) helpwantedproductions.com
*The Great Quentini 
(found art, sound experiments, home made costumes, the bathroom sink) (joined 
by Ron Kravitz on 2nd set)
*David Gerbstadt 
(renegade artist who produces psychedelic visual projections w/oils, dyes, 
water, and light) gerbstadt.net

Other shows at The Rotunda this weekend:
Sat. Jan. 18-The Muse series pres.The Supa Lowery Brothers melding live jazz, 
funk, hip hop in a style termed "street bop." Spoken word artist Zenzele 
hosts. free snacks. 8pm

Sun. Jan. 19-Montreal’s Le petit theatre de l’absolu performs La Commune and 
Demolition Polka (part of their "Paris in the 19th Century" series), paper 
theatre/toy theatre, puppetry, cabaret, and cheap art that brings fine craft 
& whispers revolution. Performance in English AND French.   Presented by 
Puppet Uprising(puppetuprising.org). 8pm.

Mon. Jan. 20-Campus Philly Flow: Martin Luther King jr. Day event 
co-sponsored by CampusPhilly.org and presented as a special edition of 
Linguistics. Spoken word, music, more.  Walidah Imarisha, VOICE, et al will 
perform. 8pm.

Thanks for your support.

Gina Renzi
Coordinator 
The Rotunda
4012 Walnut Street 
Philadelphia PA 19104
http://www.foundationarts.org
Tel.: 215-573-3234
Fax : 215-898-2167










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what is the name of the thread where you discuss the "bucket brigade" chip?
this reading samples and endless memory thing is something that i have been
trying to get to for months.  the repeater "reads samples", right? and that,
ultimately is why there is a pop at the loop point on a looped sine, right?

finally seeing the light,
lance

----- Original Message -----
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> >  The EDP and Repeater have great power,
> >but are different things and most useful for those who enjoy twisting
> >and control of multiple loops (and like reading manuals).
>
> no, I did not build the EDP for this and dont use it like that, personally
>
> >  The 16-second
> >DDL is just hands-on immense fun.
>
> and the EDP isnt?
> It has more functions, but there is no need to use them.
>
> Reasons for a reissue of the EH:
> - cheaper / smaller than a EDP - as other units on the market are.
>
> - the specific sound characteristic, given by the Bucket-Brigade
> technology - but thats the chip which is not available any more!
> Also, this sound probably can be reasonably well moduled, I dont how
> how good the DL4 is at that.
>
> - The speed/pitch variation as well discussed in other posts
> You dont need a Bucket-Brigade for that, as it works very similarely
> on the early digital delays which used pure HW AD and DA converters
> that can be clocked just like the Bucket-Brigade. Or do you hear a
> difference I am not aware of?
> The newer cheap and good converters (CODECs) all have an internal
> processor and thus cannot be clocked freely. So to reissue a unit
> that works like the old digital delays you woud have to use old,
> expensive, noisy, hard to find parts (I did not dig throug that chip
> market recently, so I may be wrong).
> We are aware that we should provide that in a future EDP kind of product.
> In order not to turn the HW expensive, we should do it by software
> modeling. Since the EDP works with a endless memory and not by
> reading samples, it should not be too dificult. But I cannot promiss
> nothing here...
> I wonder whether Line6 tried and did not succeed or whether they did
> not think of it?
>
> It becomes even more tricky if you want to module the mechanical
> characteristics of a tape echo speed control...
>
> --
>
>
>           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>

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I don't know how much I understood but it does look like a very loop-related
and interesting article to me:
http://www.brunel.ac.uk/depts/pfa/bstjournal/2no2/Papers/Rob%20Doyle.htm


= michael peters
= www.mpeters.de/mpeweb
= veloopity.iuma.com


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Too true. A couple years back I read about a gay
couple in Alabama or Georgia (it was a Southern
state, that's all I remember) who were arrested
on sodomy charges. What they were doing was
consensual, and in the privacy of their own home,
but according to some 200 year old law, it
actually is still illegal. Apparently, whichever
municipality where this happened wasn't busy
enough to keep the blobulent cops busy. I forget
how the trial turned out. 

Apparently, most states have these obscure laws
from over a century ago regarding sexual
activity, but most of the time, nobody pays
attention to them. Makes me think of Alice's
Restaurant? 

"What did they arrest you for, kid?" 

"For having consensual sex with my girlfriend" 

What a country we live in! :-P 

And now, because I've made THAT comment,
Rumsfield will be sending his goons to bust down
my door. 

 



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--- Michael Peters  wrote:
http://www.brunel.ac.uk/depts/pfa/bstjournal/2no2/Papers/Rob%20Doyle.htm

Wow, the language and style are sure different
(variable eyebrow heights), but Doyle's comments on
temporal perception as objective/subjective resonate
with something I read yesterday re: audience attitude
towards looping as influencing perceptions of time and
space.
(Last paragraph of:
)

It's cool seeing academia evolve, in this case
applying theoretical analysis to Jimi Hendrix.

Doyle: "Structure is provided by the melodic and
harmonic progress of the through-composed anthem;
performance procedure entails the musician, his
instrument and attendant processing and amplifying
devices in a concert situation; pitch, rhythm, and
harmonic data are encoded in the manipulation of
guitar strings; an underlying pulse is present in
represented metre of the musical text; structure
variables include exposition of text and
improvisations arising from the text; and stylistic
parameters are fulfilled by characteristics of the
instrument used."

Hendrix: Uh, yeah. (Launches into "Crosstown
Traffic"...)

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>Hi Matthias!
>
>Matthias Grob wrote:
>>  But I just tried it
>>  and it does what we expect: Since the two machines run at the same
>>  speed on sample clock level, that sync correction happens once and
>>  then never more.
>>  So I realize its actually a way to test whether two units really sync
>>  up on sample clock level (which not all do, unfortunatelly... the
>>  tolerances changed over the years...)
>
>Just to be sure I understand you here, is this the correct means to
>determine whether two EDPs are running at the same tolerance?
>
>1) Connect two EDP's via Brothersync
>2) Set one to Sync=Out and the other to Sync=Im
>3) Record a loop on the master, then one on the slave
>4) See if sync correction keeps happening more than once
>
>Is this correct?

yes!

>I'd prefer to make sure that all three or four EDP's at a gig are
>Brothersync compatible with one another before we all actually take 
>the stage...

good idea. Sorry for not having thought of that before.

>Thanks Matthias, and I hope you're doing well (and that your lady is
>healing well!)

hes, she is moving slowly and we are going to the Arembepe to play at 
the hippy festival this weekend... and amazing place:
http://matthias.grob.org/pPrivat/Aremb.htm

>Wish us luck on the tour...

I certainly do!
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Thank you Neil
it always sounds great when we read about it.
then when you try, you realize for example that the tempo tap has to 
be done before the recording, so you need a metronome or a very good 
time feeling to play exactly into the timing you just tapped - which 
throws me back to the troubles I got rid off in '92...
... or it may be smarter than that? a "real" Record function? Maybe 
by creating a MIDI  command for Tap+StartRecord and Tap+StopRecord?

>What's new in Live 2?
>
>Live 2 enhances the performance and jamming features of the original
>software and also adds multi-track recording and editing with "Elastic
>Audio". Version 2 turns Live into a comprehensive studio recording and
>editing tool.
>
>Elastic Audio
>- Selectable warping modes for clean stretching of all types of audio
>- Recordable tempo changes and a continous tempo envelope

so it continuously streches the existing loops when you tap a new tempo?
That would be great!

>- Tempo tapping
>- Ability to bypass time-stretching for individual clips or recordings

so you can do polyrhythms?

>New Comprehensive Studio Tool
>- Easy, tape-style multitrack recording with punch in / out and metronome
>- Super-fast arranger navigation

I wonder if that allows some easy layering like the EDP Multiply function?

>- Better handling of non-looping clips

so we can record the solos?

>- Improved automation handling and editing for fast parameter access
>
>Smarter Jamming
>- Relative Session Mapping

I wonder what those mean for our kind of use...

So, maybe, someone can find out more at NAMM...
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>I think that is the point of the PolyOctave, but I could be wrong. 
>Speaking of
>Hexfuzz, some of the most beautiful fuzzy tone comes from Matthais' 
>little self
>made box.  I don't know much about it, but the tone he gets is pretty amazing.
>I wonder why he hasn't tried to commercially produce it.

I did, 1984 in Frankfurt. And I really tried hard to explain that it 
can be used to play chords, but still, the ones that would be able to 
play polyphonically said: "I will never try any distortion" and the 
ones interested in distortion did some quick solo line and were 
disapointed that it did not sound as dirty as the Marshall.

I did not just build 6 filters and 6 distortiors, but the clipping is 
dynamic, so strings with different volumes will still have thoses 
different volumes after distortion, so you can make a melody stand 
out of a chord.
And you all heard it at Loopstock :-)

And its on my site, you can build one.


>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>Mark Hamburg wrote:
>
>>  on 1/2/03 10:46 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:
>>
>>  > RMC also makes the Freakout Box, which provides individual audio
>>  > outputs per string. This presents interesting possibilities for
>>  > surround sound and for string-specific effects processing.
>>
>>  I don't want most of the modeling on the VG-8/88 so I haven't been able to
>>  justify getting a hex pickup and getting a VG-88, but I really could be more
>>  tempted by a hex pickup if I could just get a good hex fuzz for it. The RMC
>>  breakout box plus six fuzz pedals, however, does not seem cost effective.
>>  Maybe the Boss PolyOctave does that but it certainly isn't clear from the
>>  online information as to whether the distortion is per string or not.
>>
>>  Mark
>>
>>  P.S. As a poor man's hex-a-fuzz substitute, has anyone tried the PAiA
>>  Quadrafuzz?


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You can call this OT, but the place we choose to live is fundamental 
and who is born in the first world has the freedom to choose!

I think that musicians have been traveling always. Probably more in 
the middle ages than now (anyway, whole tribes moved much further 
then, although it was much more difficult!). We are the kind of 
messengers that have to get some overview and pack it into our music. 
While other professions are responsible for stability and thus rather 
locally fixed, we bring the new waves and colorations.
So if you feel that spirit, take a chance and try, even if you may 
seem to fail, you hardly will regret the experience!

Since I made a big jump from Switzerland to Brasil 10 years ago, I 
can give some hints about such moves. Each place is different, so I 
resume my experience:

Pro:
- Live cost is much cheaper, I could not live off the EDP in US or Europe
- The climate is just perfect, few days are hot, its never cold, 
enough water, sun...
- There is enough space, cheap land of all kinds of beauty.
- No need for complicated housings, no insulation, not even windows. 
Simple dressing.
- Less security laws. Do it they way you want, if it harms you, its 
your problem. If someone elses silliness harms you, its also mostly 
your problem.
- Portuguese is a beautiful language, perfect to express lovely things.
- Food is excellent, the variety on the market all year and the 
brilliant local creations like Acaraje at every corner and Moqueca 
and...
- Music is all present and nice.
- There is a lot of freedom and tolerance to live as you like and 
believe what you want.
- Its an amazing experience to know a totally different way of life, 
expands perception, also about the culture you come from and makes 
you select more consciously what you want.
- You can be very usefull to the local population with ideas, 
contacts, knowledge, new vewpoint... but its also very difficult to 
bring this input without offending!

Contra:
- Import tax is 100% so each technical thing you need is a hassle or expensive.
- Live style is slow. Stand in the line, be patient when things are 
late or dont happen. Its hard to be here and keep up with the speed 
of the rest of the world.
- The local music is so strong that there is hardly any space for foreign art.
- Immigration laws are a problem in most countries. Get marred or something...
- Less security. Watch your things and accept that you loose 
something once in a while. Not only by robbery but by strong natural 
influences (corrosion, microbes...)
- Work is badly paid, quality little respected. If you depend on 
making a living here, you need to be very smart or modest. Internet 
is a great way out!
- Its almost impossible to really integrate into a society which had 
totally different conditions to grow up. I cannot laugh about most 
jokes and if I throw one of my rather ironic style, they dont 
understand or feel offended.
- New discovery: the body is used to be fed as in childhood. We keep 
most of our habits and can find the ways for this here. But for 
example, if you dont like hot food, you are more likely to get 
parasites. Either you adapt to the local costumes which is a shock 
for the body, or you dont and thus disrespect the deeper reasons for 
those costumes. Not a big problem, though.

As you see, there are about the same amount of arguments to do it or 
not. I dont regret and cannot imagine to go back to a first world 
country unless something really fundamental would happen there for 
me, or a heavy crisis would strike here.
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In a message dated 1/16/03 6:47:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> I shipped it to a friend of mine,
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john.....often if the trim on my rang is too high, i get a lot of 
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I shipped it to a friend of mine,






john.....often if the trim on my rang is too high, i get a lot of noise.....is your friend aware of the trim/noise relationship?.....just a thought.....michael

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matthias writ&answered:

>> The EDP and Repeater have great power,
>> but are different things and most useful for those who enjoy twisting
>> and control of multiple loops (and like reading manuals).
> 
> no, I did not build the EDP for this and dont use it like that, personally
> 
>> The 16-second
>> DDL is just hands-on immense fun.
> 
> and the EDP isnt?
> It has more functions, but there is no need to use them.


here is the *main* deal w/ EH16ddl(for me): sliders(faders) instead of knobs
or buttons...messin w/ sound usin them allows for great wackiness and just
the physicalnesss/ergonomie makes for the unexpected and nonplanned...
its asif you can manipulate
time(backwards/frontwards-up/down-in/out-thru/threw) like it was 'silly
putty' er somethin...
s

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Matthias

Many thanks for sharing your information with us.

You have mentioneded bad cross-talk with magnetic pickups that have led you 
to mechanical transduction.

Have you had experience with the Godin guitars?







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>I think that is the point of the PolyOctave, but I could be wrong. Speaking 
>of
>Hexfuzz, some of the most beautiful fuzzy tone comes from Matthais' little 
>self
>made box.  I don't know much about it, but the tone he gets is pretty 
>amazing.
>I wonder why he hasn't tried to commercially produce it.

I did, 1984 in Frankfurt. And I really tried hard to explain that it can be 
used to play chords, but still, the ones that would be able to play 
polyphonically said: "I will never try any distortion" and the ones 
interested in distortion did some quick solo line and were disapointed that 
it did not sound as dirty as the Marshall.

I did not just build 6 filters and 6 distortiors, but the clipping is 
dynamic, so strings with different volumes will still have thoses different 
volumes after distortion, so you can make a melody stand out of a chord.
And you all heard it at Loopstock :-)

And its on my site, you can build one.


>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>Mark Hamburg wrote:
>
>>  on 1/2/03 10:46 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:
>>
>>  > RMC also makes the Freakout Box, which provides individual audio
>>  > outputs per string. This presents interesting possibilities for
>>  > surround sound and for string-specific effects processing.
>>
>>  I don't want most of the modeling on the VG-8/88 so I haven't been able 
>>to
>>  justify getting a hex pickup and getting a VG-88, but I really could be 
>>more
>>  tempted by a hex pickup if I could just get a good hex fuzz for it. The 
>>RMC
>>  breakout box plus six fuzz pedals, however, does not seem cost 
>>effective.
>>  Maybe the Boss PolyOctave does that but it certainly isn't clear from 
>>the
>>  online information as to whether the distortion is per string or not.
>>
>>  Mark
>>
>>  P.S. As a poor man's hex-a-fuzz substitute, has anyone tried the PAiA
>>  Quadrafuzz?


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Matthias

I think the answer is affirmative to most of your questions about Live.
With the caveat that you may have to use the mouse for several of these
operations, in a remix capacity, rather than real-time EDP style. What I
love about Live is that you can take any clip you've recorded, copy the
audio to a different slot, and manually change what part of the clip is
played, all the while Live keeps things in sync. With its multitrack
ability and time stretch engine and ability to change the interpretation
of groove for a loop, there are literally infinite possibilities with
minimal source material.

A midi synced EDP with Live is a desert island combination. Take it to
Arembepe (which looks like a paradise on earth) and assuming there is
electricity there, you may never return to the city!

Neil
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Thank you Neil
it always sounds great when we read about it.
then when you try, you realize for example that the tempo tap has to 
be done before the recording, so you need a metronome or a very good 
time feeling to play exactly into the timing you just tapped - which 
throws me back to the troubles I got rid off in '92...
... or it may be smarter than that? a "real" Record function? Maybe 
by creating a MIDI  command for Tap+StartRecord and Tap+StopRecord?

>What's new in Live 2?
>
>Live 2 enhances the performance and jamming features of the original
>software and also adds multi-track recording and editing with "Elastic
>Audio". Version 2 turns Live into a comprehensive studio recording and
>editing tool.
>
>Elastic Audio
>- Selectable warping modes for clean stretching of all types of audio
>- Recordable tempo changes and a continous tempo envelope

so it continuously streches the existing loops when you tap a new tempo?
That would be great!

>- Tempo tapping
>- Ability to bypass time-stretching for individual clips or recordings

so you can do polyrhythms?

>New Comprehensive Studio Tool
>- Easy, tape-style multitrack recording with punch in / out and
metronome
>- Super-fast arranger navigation

I wonder if that allows some easy layering like the EDP Multiply
function?

>- Better handling of non-looping clips

so we can record the solos?

>- Improved automation handling and editing for fast parameter access
>
>Smarter Jamming
>- Relative Session Mapping

I wonder what those mean for our kind of use...

So, maybe, someone can find out more at NAMM...
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CONCERT ANNOUNCEMENTS:

FEBRUARY:
The Soundscapes Concert Series is proud to present Quakertown's spacemusic duo,
Orbital Decay in concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island on
Saturday, February 22.  The doors open at 7:00 pm for a free buffet by Cheff
Jeff and ambient music by Stroudsburg's Tom Shaw.  Tickets are $15 at the door.
There is a $3 discount for full time students who show valid ID and for members
of WDIY and WMUH.  Advance tickets are $12 (no discounts apply).  Advance ticket
sales locations to be announced.  (Usually Speedy's Record Shop and the Compact
Disc Center carry tickets, but this hasn't been arranged, yet.)

APRIL:
The Soundscapes Concert Series is proud to present Belgian ambient musician
vidnaObmana in concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island.  This
rare North American appearance is vidnaObmana's major east coast ambient concert
of 2003 and will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, at 8:00 pm.  Doors will open at
7:00 and a free buffet by Chef Jeff will be provided.  Tickets are $20 at the
door with a $3 discount for full time students who show valid ID and for members
of WDIY and WMUH.  Advance tickets are $17 (no discounts apply).  Advance ticket
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CONTACT:
http://soundscapes.us
Bill Fox
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SOUNDSCAPES CONCERT SERIES:
The Soundscapes Concert Series is intended to bring electronic music to the
Lehigh Valley by being the concert companion to EMUSIC, a radio show on WDIY in
the Allentown - Lehigh Valley area of eastern Pennsylvania.   Like the radio
show, SOUNDSCAPES features Electronic, Ambient and Spacemusic.   There are many
reasons for starting this concert series, not the least of which is to bring the
music heard on EMUSIC to the area in a comfortable, friendly and relaxed concert
setting.   This also has the byproduct of providing valuable performance
opportunities to the musicians who put so much energy into their craft.   This
is their chance to step out of the relative safety of their studios and connect
with the fans of electronic music.  Past concerts have featured the talents of
Orbital Decay (Quakertown, Pa), The Ministry of Inside Things (Philadelphia,
Pa), and
Tom Shaw (Stroudsburg, Pa).  With vidnaObmana (Belgium), Soundscapes goes
international, reflecting the true nature of electronic music.  It is universal.

Best regards,

Bill Fox
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>what is the name of the thread where you discuss the "bucket brigade" chip?

I dont know...
The buckets are capacitors. At each clock, the charge of the previous 
is transfered to the next. The biggest chips had 4096 buckets and 
were made by Philips and Matsushita. The first ones appeared in the 
early 70ies. They were all noisy.

>this reading samples and endless memory thing is something that i have been
>trying to get to for months.  the repeater "reads samples", right?

right

>and that, ultimately is why there is a pop at the loop point on a 
>looped sine, right?

it seems avoidable, but yes, its more likely to happen.

>finally seeing the light,
>lance



>  > - The speed/pitch variation as well discussed in other posts
>>  You dont need a Bucket-Brigade for that, as it works very similarely
>>  on the early digital delays which used pure HW AD and DA converters
>>  that can be clocked just like the Bucket-Brigade. Or do you hear a
>>  difference I am not aware of?
>>  The newer cheap and good converters (CODECs) all have an internal
>>  processor and thus cannot be clocked freely. So to reissue a unit
>>  that works like the old digital delays you woud have to use old,
>>  expensive, noisy, hard to find parts (I did not dig throug that chip
>>  market recently, so I may be wrong).
>>  We are aware that we should provide that in a future EDP kind of product.
>>  In order not to turn the HW expensive, we should do it by software
>>  modeling. Since the EDP works with a endless memory and not by
>>  reading samples, it should not be too dificult. But I cannot promiss
>>  nothing here...
>>  I wonder whether Line6 tried and did not succeed or whether they did
>>  not think of it?
>>
>>  It becomes even more tricky if you want to module the mechanical
>  > characteristics of a tape echo speed control...

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>Yeah, I'm curious about that pedal (as if I need another looping 
>device!) it seems sweet.  If only you could midi synch it...  I wish 
>there were a floor looper that synched to MIDI.  I used to be anti 
>foot pedal, but I'm realizing that I end up having something that 
>takes up one or two rack spaces AND requires a sizable foot pedal to 
>control.

I thought about that, too. But isnt it awkward to have MIDI on the floor?

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  This whole car horn bit reminds me of one Saturday running around in NYC.
 There were so many car horns at one point, that the idea came to me
suddenly that it reminded me of an orchestra warming up.   So I then
thought, how interesting it would be to assemble some very well tuned car
horns and perform some classical repertoire.  -I believe someone has in
fact done this, but I haven't heard it yet.   -would love to though...   

Smiles,

Cara

At 07:08 AM 1/17/03 -0800, you wrote:
>
>--- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:
>> > 4'33"  The XTREME MIX.  If you listen to
>> >it............it's way quieter  than 
>> > any other version ever recorded. ;-)  
>> 
>> that's because you should have opened the windows
>> first;-)
>
>Rick's letting the *listener* open their windows; his
>recording is intentionally quiet so that one
>particular Santa Cruz car horn honk won't be heard
>every time around. ;-) Honk...
>
>I find Rick's version refreshing, because so many
>performers take liberties with the tempo of that
>piece, usually playing it waaaay too fast. ;-) ;-)
>
>Honk...
>
>What I'm waiting for is someone to perform Ligeti's
>'Poeme Symphonique' with *one* metronome and 100 EDPs!
>
>-t-
>
>
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>I wonder whether Line6 tried and did not succeed or whether they did 
>not think of it?

I havn't played with the DL-4 much, but the (now discontinued) 
Johnson/Digitech JM150/250 amps have, with the later OS upgrades, a 
-great- analog delay module. I call it great because it has the same 
capacity as the Memory Man to sound cool while sounding like it might 
blow up, and to be controllable while having a lot of things (way more 
than the MM) that can make it freak out and suddenly scare the bejabbers 
out of you.

Have had one of these amps since '98, but just recently discovered the 
power hidden in the "analog" delay. Auddenly it was like 1980 again, when 
my Deluxe MM (and EH "3-Phase Liner" jewelry with 6 pattern-flashing 
LEDs, now that was amazing) had just arrived direct from NYC.

The JM delay has the usual LPF for faking an analog delay, but with 
variable cutoff frequency and output gain. The LPF can be set pre-delay 
or post-delay. "Smear" makes repeats more and more spread out - so a 
short staccto note will eventually become a long, weirdly diffused note 
if repeated enough. The feedback control is continuous through both 
positive and negative feeback. Tweaking the delay time smoothly, but 
"crappily" (in a good way) alters the pitch - it sounds like a MM to 
me....

Finally, -all- of the effect params can be put under glitch-free foot 
control using their (also discontinued) J12, which allows scaling the 
range of each param, so that a toe-down foot controller might == 100% on 
one param, 25% on another, and -40% on a third. Up to 16 params can be 
controlled at once.

Jsut folling around, I can up with this: feedback set for 0 at mid-pedal, 
and increasing through positive values to HOLD at toedown, and decressing 
to -80% feedback at toe-up, The same pedal alters delay time, starting 
from 500ms at mid-pedal, decreasing delay time as pedal comes back, and 
increasing as pedal goes down.

The effect is that at mid pedal, there's a single repeat. Play a lick, 
slam the pedal down, and it drop an octave and goes into hold. Back off 
just slightly, and it starts to go nuts. Meanwhile you are playing over 
it. Stomp another switch (set to add a few points to LPF gain, say) or 
use another controller to play with the LPF frequency. Pull the first 
pedla back a bit, picth goes up, feedback does down - thing was abou to 
blow some speakers....

Pull the pedal quickly back though midpoint, not stopping at the 0 
feedback there, and the loop smoothly comes up in pitch, you can play it 
with the pedal. Meanwhile, feedback is going increasingly negative and 
lights are coming on all around the neighborhood. At this point I got my 
first taste of that first MM terror from so long ago - what will stop it? 

It's getting louder...fast. Reflex says heeldown, like a volume pedal, 
nope that's making it higher, and louder faster. Toe down - wrong, and 
the lows is haking the windows. Mid-point on the pedal - yes there's the 
zero point, all the wonderful noise gone just as my wife starts coming 
down the stairs. |-.

Sounds goofy, but that's the way I felt. And no piece of gear has made me 
feel that way in a long long time. 

Plus, with a little exploration, the effect is musically useful, and I 
stay up most the night  making more and more variations, tweaking. No 
gear has made me want to do that in a while either.

Too bad the manufacturer had little idea how to market this thing against 
Line6. If it had stereo preamp out/power amp in jacks to insert a pair of 
EDPs, it would be the perfect, self contained looping rig with (as far as 
I know) unparalleled realtime control. But Johnson Amps only put inserts 
on their -basic- models, which have almost no realtime control! 

I've seen these amps used for not a lot more than a new DL-4. Worth 
checking out at those prices; it's a deep product, not without flaws, but 
is very, very usable live.

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  So, the big loop question, as it refers to silence...   If one were to
loop a bit of silence, and then overdub more silence, would the tree still
fall in the woods?   lol!  -and would you be able to hear it over the
tremendous layered silent din you'd have built up?...    lollollol!     

Smiles,

Cara

	At 10:50 AM 1/17/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Tim Nelson wrote:
>
>"I find Rick's version refreshing, because so many
>performers take liberties with the tempo of that
>piece, usually playing it waaaay too fast. ;-) ;-)"
>
>
>I was actually really influenced by the Melvins with this
>recording (and there goes that honk again, right as I start 
>to play this brilliant rendition of mine for the 14th time today.
>
>Eeeeeeeeeeery!
>
>Actually, I'm considering looping this entire performance with
>my entire arsenal of looping gear,  2 jampersons, 2 DL4s, on Electrix
>Repeater and one GIBSON EDP just so that we can actually say 
>that this thread is about looping and not piss off the 
>OT phobes on the list (don't flame me, I'm being lovingly tongue
>in cheek here---most of them bug me too).
>
>Yeah, I"m just thinking of calling my entire next CD, Silence:
>
>a four CD set of these variations on a theme.  Yep, I'm pretty sure
>I can get 4 hours and 33 minutes on four CDs.  Anyone wanna do the 
>math for me. I have a cold and have to drive 7 hours to NAMM today.
>
>later, silence freaks!!!
>
>Rick Walker
>
>


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ditto on the jm!
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> >I wonder whether Line6 tried and did not succeed or whether they did
> >not think of it?
>
> I havn't played with the DL-4 much, but the (now discontinued)
> Johnson/Digitech JM150/250 amps have, with the later OS upgrades, a
> -great- analog delay module. I call it great because it has the same
> capacity as the Memory Man to sound cool while sounding like it might
> blow up, and to be controllable while having a lot of things (way more
> than the MM) that can make it freak out and suddenly scare the bejabbers
> out of you.
>
> Have had one of these amps since '98, but just recently discovered the
> power hidden in the "analog" delay. Auddenly it was like 1980 again, when
> my Deluxe MM (and EH "3-Phase Liner" jewelry with 6 pattern-flashing
> LEDs, now that was amazing) had just arrived direct from NYC.
>
> The JM delay has the usual LPF for faking an analog delay, but with
> variable cutoff frequency and output gain. The LPF can be set pre-delay
> or post-delay. "Smear" makes repeats more and more spread out - so a
> short staccto note will eventually become a long, weirdly diffused note
> if repeated enough. The feedback control is continuous through both
> positive and negative feeback. Tweaking the delay time smoothly, but
> "crappily" (in a good way) alters the pitch - it sounds like a MM to
> me....
>
> Finally, -all- of the effect params can be put under glitch-free foot
> control using their (also discontinued) J12, which allows scaling the
> range of each param, so that a toe-down foot controller might == 100% on
> one param, 25% on another, and -40% on a third. Up to 16 params can be
> controlled at once.
>
> Jsut folling around, I can up with this: feedback set for 0 at mid-pedal,
> and increasing through positive values to HOLD at toedown, and decressing
> to -80% feedback at toe-up, The same pedal alters delay time, starting
> from 500ms at mid-pedal, decreasing delay time as pedal comes back, and
> increasing as pedal goes down.
>
> The effect is that at mid pedal, there's a single repeat. Play a lick,
> slam the pedal down, and it drop an octave and goes into hold. Back off
> just slightly, and it starts to go nuts. Meanwhile you are playing over
> it. Stomp another switch (set to add a few points to LPF gain, say) or
> use another controller to play with the LPF frequency. Pull the first
> pedla back a bit, picth goes up, feedback does down - thing was abou to
> blow some speakers....
>
> Pull the pedal quickly back though midpoint, not stopping at the 0
> feedback there, and the loop smoothly comes up in pitch, you can play it
> with the pedal. Meanwhile, feedback is going increasingly negative and
> lights are coming on all around the neighborhood. At this point I got my
> first taste of that first MM terror from so long ago - what will stop it?
>
> It's getting louder...fast. Reflex says heeldown, like a volume pedal,
> nope that's making it higher, and louder faster. Toe down - wrong, and
> the lows is haking the windows. Mid-point on the pedal - yes there's the
> zero point, all the wonderful noise gone just as my wife starts coming
> down the stairs. |-.
>
> Sounds goofy, but that's the way I felt. And no piece of gear has made me
> feel that way in a long long time.
>
> Plus, with a little exploration, the effect is musically useful, and I
> stay up most the night  making more and more variations, tweaking. No
> gear has made me want to do that in a while either.
>
> Too bad the manufacturer had little idea how to market this thing against
> Line6. If it had stereo preamp out/power amp in jacks to insert a pair of
> EDPs, it would be the perfect, self contained looping rig with (as far as
> I know) unparalleled realtime control. But Johnson Amps only put inserts
> on their -basic- models, which have almost no realtime control!
>
> I've seen these amps used for not a lot more than a new DL-4. Worth
> checking out at those prices; it's a deep product, not without flaws, but
> is very, very usable live.
>
>

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> Wonder how his recovery from the biking accident is going.

I'm doing GREAT!  I had a few really bad weeks where I lost total function
of my left arm.  Man!  You never realize how much you appreciate your arm
until you lose it.  But it came back!  The docs figure it must have been
pressure on a nerve center.  I now have a stainless steel plate internally
screwed into my clavicle (six screws!).  My big disappointment is that
stainless steel is basically non-magnetic and I was hoping to mount
refrigerator magnets and those little magnetic cup hooks on my "bionic"
clavicle.  Oh, well...

It was great motivation for playing more (when my arm came back).  And the
recuperation time helped me finish the Looper Construction Kit (see, this
post is ON TOPIC).

I wish the best for your recovery, Gary.  My advice is to DO THE PHYSICAL
THERAPY!  It will work wonders.


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--- Bill Monk  wrote:
> 
> I havn't played with the DL-4 much, but the (now
> discontinued) 
> Johnson/Digitech JM150/250 amps have, with the later
> OS upgrades, a 
> -great- analog delay module.

The Digitech 2120 has this analog delay effect also.
Do the Johnson amps have the LFOs & dynamic modifiers
like the 2120? I've had a lot of fun using them to
control delay parameters on the 2120.

Thanks for sharing your pedal settings. I'll give them
a try.

John

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>Matthias
>
>Many thanks for sharing your information with us.
>
>You have mentioneded bad cross-talk with magnetic pickups that have 
>led you to mechanical transduction.
>
>Have you had experience with the Godin guitars?
>

I tried one once and looked at the pick up. Its made with the similar 
idea to pick up as close to the string as possible, and without 
plastic. Sounds similar too.
The Paradis as a whole instrument I prefer by sound, appearance and 
playability - merit of my old friend Rolf Spuler, unemployed, 
dreaming of even more advanced instruments and without means to build 
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Hi Neal!
>
>I think the answer is affirmative to most of your questions about Live.
>With the caveat that you may have to use the mouse for several of these
>operations, in a remix capacity, rather than real-time EDP style. What I
>love about Live is that you can take any clip you've recorded, copy the
>audio to a different slot, and manually change what part of the clip is
>played, all the while Live keeps things in sync. With its multitrack
>ability and time stretch engine and ability to change the interpretation
>of groove for a loop, there are literally infinite possibilities with
>minimal source material.

sure, but we are playing into it, no?
Its weird for me that we do LiveLooping music, but LIVE is not able 
to do that because they think of LiveMixed music or so.

>
>A midi synced EDP with Live is a desert island combination.

yeah, but I actually would like to use the computer only, some day :-)

>  Take it to
>Arembepe (which looks like a paradise on earth) and assuming there is
>electricity there, you may never return to the city!

there isnt. only for the festival. they dont want it.

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At 10:50 AM -0800 1/17/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:

>Yep, I'm pretty sure I can get 4 hours and 33 minutes on four CDs.
"
Pauline Oliveros organized a program that ran 4 hours and 33 minutes 
at Mills College in 1996. I was there!

http://www.o-art.org/history/80s&90s/Mills/Oliv/NonStopFlight.html
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Apparently so was list member Tom Heasley on tuba!
:)
c


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At 10:50 AM -0800 1/17/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:

>Yep, I'm pretty sure I can get 4 hours and 33 minutes on four CDs.
"
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The digitech TRS24 can do a lot of what you want except for the changing
pitch by changing delay time. For that I think you could get an analog delay
for that. The TRS24 has stereo outputs, 5 sec delays( the delays I
discovered looping on), sample/hold function, multi-tap delays, with
individual panning and I'm pretty sure you could pitch shift each tap. Of
course you would have to have a second analog unit for the delay pitch
changing. In which case you'd be using multiple units which isn't your aim
but if you ask me, why not have multiple units? I don't think your dream is
impossible. Have fun

Woz
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  This is the list of things which I want in one unit, if any one of these
features is missing, I don't want it. I need at least 4 seconds of delay. I
need a sample and hold mode. I need stereo outputs. I need to be able to
tweek the time control and get a smooth sweep in pitch (pedal control of
this would be nice but not an absolute necessity). I need multi tap delays
with individual panning and pitch shifting for each tap. One other feature
which I'd *really* like to have but will forgo if I can get all the others
is, the ability to use midi signals to adjust the speed of the delay to
various levels in a rythmic sequence, resulting in a step-like change in
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Thanks for the recommendations, Rick!

Reading "Silence" was a pivotal point for me.  For me, too, Cage's
"philosophy" is more influential than his music.  I especially appreciate
how he encourages "new" music and approaches to composing/performing WITHOUT
putting down established methods.  "The more, the merrier." as he says.
That attitude fosters such a positive, affirming, and creative approach.

-----------

:D
I have an unreleased version of 4'33" built from time-lapsed recordings of
overlapping silence.  It's awesome how the overdubs build, layer upon layer,
to a cataclysmic intensity of resounding nothingness.  It's actually 5
minutes long so perhaps I should call it 4'33" (Extended Version).

Perhaps we need to put together a 4'33" festival featuring different
performances of this piece?  Such an undertaking requires superb equipment,
of course.  Just think of the PA and recording equipment necessary!

Too much fun (and silliness) too early, I need more coffee.


Dennis Leas
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Ciao.

I can swear that someone mentioned a fretless baritone gtr here a few weeks 
ago..…Can someone point me to it?  Did that Godin Gliss. have a longer 
scale? I had toyed around with getting another chapman stick & making one 
side fretless as well.


Thanks

LOU


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I am thinking about selling one of my PMC10's and thought I would offer 
it here first before putting it up on ebay.

This is a complete unit, in very good condition, with manual, 
programming controller, etc.  I even changed the battery fairly 
recently.

I am looking to get $500 or best offer.

I will hold off posting to ebay for a couple of days in case someone is 
interested.

I have an excellent feedback rating on ebay under the login of sginn, 
in case anyone is wondering if I am credible.

You can contact me in private if interested.

Regards,
Steve Ginn

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I don't think a fretless Chapman Stick would work at all.  I don't play
one, but my best friend Katrin does and it seemed to me that the sound
was totally based on the string striking the fret after being tapped.  I
imagine without that fret it would just "buzz" out on a flat plank. 
No?  I could be totally wrong.

It seemed a finicky beast as well, she's have to play it at room temp
for a while after it had been in any type of cold. (and we only live in
the San Francisco area, so we're not talking BRRRRR)  Before warmed up a
lot of the strings would barely sound.  This was an oak instrument, and
probably wouldn't happen with a carbon fiber model.

I'd send some mail to Emmet before I went and started ripping frets off
a $1000+ instrument.

Mark Sottilaro

Louis Rossi wrote:
> 
> Ciao.
> 
> I can swear that someone mentioned a fretless baritone gtr here a few weeks
> ago..…Can someone point me to it?  Did that Godin Gliss. have a longer
> scale? I had toyed around with getting another chapman stick & making one
> side fretless as well.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> LOU
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I have seen (never played) fretless stick adaptations (usually on 2 or three 
strings on the bass side)

They apparently use a meal strip for the fingerboard (I assume to give you a 
harder striking surface). I would IMAGINE (again, never played one).  that 
it would have a more "mellow" sound given your finger is directly involved, 
but if your a fretless player now, you're used to that anyway







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Ciao.

I can swear that someone mentioned a fretless baritone gtr here a few weeks 
ago..…Can someone point me to it?  Did that Godin Gliss. have a longer 
scale? I had toyed around with getting another chapman stick & making one 
side fretless as well.


Thanks

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2502117639

PCM-70 on ebay, in case you're interested.  sorry for
the spam if you're not.

-jim

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I don't know about performing classical
repertoire, but I once read in Keyboard magazine
about a woman who built an instrument where she
had a keyboard wired up to a bunch of car horns,
I forget how many, but I think there was one for
each key. Unfortunately, they didn't cite any
recordings where one might here this instrument. 

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Apologies, but someone here may want this, eh?  Just a shot...

Macintosh G4 system: 400 MHz, 10GB and 20GB hard drives, built
in Zip drive, 1.5GB RAM, optical mouse, OSX 10.2 and OS9, 19
inch Mitsubishi Diamondtron monitor.

The ideal music computer for $995. Pick up in NYC.
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Macintosh G4 system: 400 MHz, 10GB and 20GB hard drives, built 

in Zip drive, 1.5GB RAM, optical mouse, OSX 10.2 and OS9, 19 

inch Mitsubishi Diamondtron monitor.


The ideal music computer for $995. Pick up in NYC.

212-989-5260


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THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
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         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Tuesday January 21st - MCF

An interesting blend of organic and electronic improvisation/trance,
MCF is Michael Keith (bass, lap steel, classsical guitar, electronics,
toys, loops & voice) and David Sait (electric guitar, unusual found or
made noisemakers & electronics). At one point MCF creates the sounds
you'd expect from a full tilt rowdy ensemble, and at other moments
they're tapping into delicate passages of dreamy duo conversation.
This will also be a CD release party!  http://www.michaelkeith.com

Between Sets CD - "Collected Ambient & Textural Works 1977-1987"
by Michael Stearns (Fathom - 1996)
Besides creating a large body of music for IMAX soundtracks, theatre,
documentaries and planetarium shows, Michael Sterns has released
an excellent series of ambient/space music albums. This collection
features some of his earlier works.  http://www.michaelstearns.com
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The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
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Coming Tuesday January 28th - Planet Of The Loops
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"Seed" by Ma Ja Le and James Johnson

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Thanks to everyone and for suggestions on a noisy 'rang. I passed the
info on, but haven't heard back. Most likely it was as supposed,
trim/volume realationship outta whack.

BTW, I just picked up the Behringer FCB 1010 controller for my Repeater.
Thanks for that advice, all. Try it tonight! Yah -hoo!!!!!


John Hunter
Black Lotus Sound

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At 10:30 AM -0500 1/18/03, dennis@mail.worldserver.com wrote:
>Thanks for the recommendations, Rick!
>
>Reading "Silence" was a pivotal point for me.  For me, too, Cage's
>"philosophy" is more influential than his music.  I especially appreciate
>how he encourages "new" music and approaches to composing/performing WITHOUT
>putting down established methods.  "The more, the merrier." as he says.
>That attitude fosters such a positive, affirming, and creative approach.
>
>-----------
>
>:D
>I have an unreleased version of 4'33" built from time-lapsed recordings of
>overlapping silence.  It's awesome how the overdubs build, layer upon layer,
>to a cataclysmic intensity of resounding nothingness.  It's actually 5
>minutes long so perhaps I should call it 4'33" (Extended Version).
>
>Perhaps we need to put together a 4'33" festival featuring different
>performances of this piece?  Such an undertaking requires superb equipment,
>of course.  Just think of the PA and recording equipment necessary!
>
>Too much fun (and silliness) too early, I need more coffee.
>
>

I agree completely with both of these posts. Though some of my head 
arrangements for 4:33 do require equipment -- e.g., an arrangement in 
which a 'sportscaster' is narrating the performance, and building up 
excitement about whether the pianist would really be able to restrain 
him or her self from playing a note.,

A variant that comes to mind is that with about 30 seconds left, the 
pianist tosses a coin, heads he remains silent, tails she plays a 
huge block chord at the end.

There is also the lopping variant, in which someone saying the words 
"4 minutes, 33 seconds" is looped and improvised on for 4 minutes, 33 
seconds.

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The pots on my Vortex seem to be worn out. First, they feel "loose", the
steps don't seem to be very precise. Second, the pot to step through the
parameters seems to be worst. If I try to select a certain parameter to
change it, the display isn't showing it's actual value. Sometimes it
stays the same, sometimes it needs two steps forward, one step back, to
get the actual parameter value displayed. I assume it is the pot. Or is
this behaviour familiar to any other Vortex users?

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Because the Vortex front panel design is the same as the Jamman, the
described knob/pot problem might also refer to the JAMMAN users. So feel
free to give me your opinion on this issue.
 
Thanks!!!

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The pots on my Vortex seem to be worn out. First, they feel "loose", the
steps don't seem to be very precise. Second, the pot to step through the
parameters seems to be worst. If I try to select a certain parameter to
change it, the display isn't showing it's actual value. Sometimes it
stays the same, sometimes it needs two steps forward, one step back, to
get the actual parameter value displayed. I assume it is the pot. Or is
this behaviour familiar to any other Vortex users?


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Laurie Anderson did this, but I don't believe the horns were tuned in 
any way.

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Goddess wrote:

>   This whole car horn bit reminds me of one Saturday running around in 
> NYC.
>  There were so many car horns at one point, that the idea came to me
> suddenly that it reminded me of an orchestra warming up.   So I then
> thought, how interesting it would be to assemble some very well tuned 
> car
> horns and perform some classical repertoire.  -I believe someone has in
> fact done this, but I haven't heard it yet.   -would love to though...
>
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> At 07:08 AM 1/17/03 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>> --- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:
>>>> 4'33"  The XTREME MIX.  If you listen to
>>>> it............it's way quieter  than
>>>> any other version ever recorded. ;-)
>>>
>>> that's because you should have opened the windows
>>> first;-)
>>
>> Rick's letting the *listener* open their windows; his
>> recording is intentionally quiet so that one
>> particular Santa Cruz car horn honk won't be heard
>> every time around. ;-) Honk...
>>
>> I find Rick's version refreshing, because so many
>> performers take liberties with the tempo of that
>> piece, usually playing it waaaay too fast. ;-) ;-)
>>
>> Honk...
>>
>> What I'm waiting for is someone to perform Ligeti's
>> 'Poeme Symphonique' with *one* metronome and 100 EDPs!
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And of course there's the opening sound of the first
Van Halen album. Before they were signed, they had a
bunch of car horns (some out of their own cars) wired
up to a car battery for an onstage noisemaker. (On the
album they dropped the pitch with varispeed before the
bass come in...)

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My DL4 is apparently very mad at me...
Was working fine, but the batteries were dying (blinking LEDs). Ran the
batteries down (it makes some really neat sounds right before the
batteries are completely dead), and put new batteries in. 
Now, there is no smooth crossfade over the loop point. In fact, when a
signal is present and it goes into overdub mode, there is a 'hiccup' in
the loop. If I end the initial 'parent' loop with a few seconds of
silence, the hiccup isn't there. Likewise, if I start and end an overdub
sith silence, it isn't there. But any time a signal is present, and I
want to overdub, it puts a hiccup in the loop. Not a pop, but just a
obvious crossfade. Grrr.
Did a factory reset, didn't help. I don't add any other delay to the
signal, and I took everything else out of the signal path. Happen to
anyone before? Ideas?  

Dave Eichenberger 
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These aren't actually pots - they are rotary encoders (every time you feel 
that click, the little switch in there kicks over and triggers the unit to 
increment)


The encoders in the vortex are a known weak point and they should probably 
be replaced.

On the up side, Lexicon is very good about sending replacements.

The vortex breaks apart very very easily and installing new encoders is a 
short little job if you have basic soldering skills)







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The pots on my Vortex seem to be worn out. First, they feel "loose", the
steps don't seem to be very precise. Second, the pot to step through the
parameters seems to be worst. If I try to select a certain parameter to
change it, the display isn't showing it's actual value. Sometimes it
stays the same, sometimes it needs two steps forward, one step back, to
get the actual parameter value displayed. I assume it is the pot. Or is
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Yes, that's possible, because sometimes the values de/increment in
bigger steps then +/-1, like they're jumping. So programming and
adjusting sounds is quite incomfortable. Thanks for that advice.
 


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> These aren't actually pots - they are rotary encoders (every 
> time you feel 
> that click, the little switch in there kicks over and 
> triggers the unit to 
> increment)
> 
> 
> The encoders in the vortex are a known weak point and they 
> should probably 
> be replaced.
> 
> On the up side, Lexicon is very good about sending replacements.
> 
> The vortex breaks apart very very easily and installing new 
> encoders is a 
> short little job if you have basic soldering skills)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> The pots on my Vortex seem to be worn out. First, they feel 
> "loose", the steps don't seem to be very precise. Second, the 
> pot to step through the parameters seems to be worst. If I 
> try to select a certain parameter to change it, the display 
> isn't showing it's actual value. Sometimes it stays the same, 
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> the actual parameter value displayed. I assume it is the pot. 
> Or is this behaviour familiar to any other Vortex users?
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Is there any piece of hardware that uses a very flexible, computer based audio interface similar to reaktor that allows the user to create FX and synth engines comparable to reaktor and can be used with an integrated computer compatible mixer? (I dare someone to tell me to get a notebook) Some rules of what I want follow.

1. Must work live, and well. No lag. No serious issues or hangups to ruin my day.

2. My main use for it would be this: I would create a six channel distortion circuit, similar to the hexafuzz design made by someone on here (Sorry i don't know you all better. Whoever's design that is, kudos! It sounds BEAUTIFUL!), but with an ADSR and a second ADSR controlling a filter for each of the six signals, plus the option to control the filter by the first ADSR i.e. envelope filtering.

3. Priced around a grand. (OK I lied, I will pay more, but I'd rather not pay much more.)

If anyone has anything at all to say about this ridiculous inquiry, please do. Or just answer me this one question: Why the hell can't anyone design a decent guitar synth? (I dare someone to tell me to build my own) Peace on Earth and good will toward men. - Kirk

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Is there any piece of hardware that uses a very flexible, computer based audio interface similar to reaktor that allows the user to create FX and synth engines comparable to reaktor and can be used with an integrated computer compatible mixer? (I dare someone to tell me to get a notebook) Some rules of what I want follow.


1. Must work live, and well. No lag. No serious issues or hangups to ruin my day.


2. My main use for it would be this: I would create a six channel distortion circuit, similar to the hexafuzz design made by someone on here (Sorry i don't know you all better. Whoever's design that is, kudos! It sounds BEAUTIFUL!), but with an ADSR and a second ADSR controlling a filter for each of the six signals, plus the option to control the filter by the first ADSR i.e. envelope filtering.


3. Priced around a grand. (OK I lied, I will pay more, but I'd rather not pay much more.)


If anyone has anything at all to say about this ridiculous inquiry, please do. Or just answer me this one question: Why the hell can't anyone design a decent guitar synth? (I dare someone to tell me to build my own) Peace on Earth and good will toward men. - Kirk

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I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for the first time with a
mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.  The result was great,
esp. because it allowed me to easily use other instruments (including my
voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo pair and recording parts
from different positions to place them in the stereo field.

However, the leaking of the monitored signal into the mic became a
problem at one point, but i managed to keep it under control since i had
the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live situation this would
be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing this?  Any suggestions
on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic maybe? 
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Just let lexicon know that YOU KNOW they are weak...and be nice to the tech 
support guys -- they are cool and they really are trying to help you over 
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Yes, that's possible, because sometimes the values de/increment in
bigger steps then +/-1, like they're jumping. So programming and
adjusting sounds is quite incomfortable. Thanks for that advice.



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 > These aren't actually pots - they are rotary encoders (every
 > time you feel
 > that click, the little switch in there kicks over and
 > triggers the unit to
 > increment)
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 >
 > The encoders in the vortex are a known weak point and they
 > should probably
 > be replaced.
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 > On the up side, Lexicon is very good about sending replacements.
 >
 > The vortex breaks apart very very easily and installing new
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yes ii used to mic my looping set up. it was a nightmare! especially in live
situations. gates help, you cant get around direct somehow. i have built a
nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels into my boomerang+. let me
know if this interests you or anyone else.

peace
jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com



----- Original Message -----
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> I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for the first time with a
> mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.  The result was great,
> esp. because it allowed me to easily use other instruments (including my
> voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo pair and recording parts
> from different positions to place them in the stereo field.
>
> However, the leaking of the monitored signal into the mic became a
> problem at one point, but i managed to keep it under control since i had
> the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live situation this would
> be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing this?  Any suggestions
> on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic maybe?
> --
> ernesto schnack
> http://schnack.does.it
>
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Interesting that so many on this list cite Cage as an influence, (I exclude
myself from this category).
I have read the book though - one comment of his  that stuck in my mind was
that he couldn't understand why people felt the need to include repetition
in their music - ironic or what?

Gareth

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I can't seem to locate info on what this message means on my Loop IV EDP-
"Nid"

Anyone know?

Cliff

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  Hi, I believe Rick does this alot, so he might have some ideas for you.
For myself, in addition to suggesting muting the input as you've already
done, I'd also suggest trying a volume pedal before the input of the
Repeater, or between a mic preamp and whatever effects you might be using
before  the Repeater's input.  
  This way, you can fade the mic smoothly without pops or clicks and easily
avoid any unwanted sounds being added to your loops.      -HOpe this
helps...  

Smiles,

Cara

At 11:34 PM 1/18/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for the first time with a
>mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.  The result was great,
>esp. because it allowed me to easily use other instruments (including my
>voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo pair and recording parts
>from different positions to place them in the stereo field.
>
>However, the leaking of the monitored signal into the mic became a
>problem at one point, but i managed to keep it under control since i had
>the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live situation this would
>be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing this?  Any suggestions
>on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic maybe? 
>-- 
>ernesto schnack
>http://schnack.does.it
>
>-- 
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>
>


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> >I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for the first 
> time with a 
> >mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.  The result 
> was great, 
> >esp. because it allowed me to easily use other instruments 
> (including 
> >my voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo pair and recording 
> >parts from different positions to place them in the stereo field.
> >
> >However, the leaking of the monitored signal into the mic became a 
> >problem at one point, but i managed to keep it under control since i 
> >had the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live 
> situation this 
> >would be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing this?  Any 
> >suggestions on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic maybe?
> >--
> >ernesto schnack
> >http://schnack.does.it


For looping live with saxophone I almost fixed this problem by bringing
my studio mic pre amp with a great gate/expander function. Before I got
wealthy enough to buy such a device I never used any kind of gate on the
mic. So in those days my loopers picked up all kind of strange noise
from the PA system monitors. Especially with sax you have to stand by a
stage monitor or you won't hear what you are playing if other musicians
crank it up. However, in some way I think it sounded cool with this
"entire PA mix" getting looped ;-)

But if you want your guitar notes to die off naturally I would say it's
pretty hard to use an expander/gate. At some part of the fading note it
will kick in and mute the tone. I would agree with Cara that a volume
pedal might be the best fix. When I play my noisy Strat I always use the
volume knob on the guitar to mute every moment I am not playing a note.
That's a good method because it becomes more musical than a
gate/expander. 

Best wishes

Per Boysen
________________
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> The pots on my Vortex seem to be worn out. 

it's quite common to have to replace the pots,


if you do remember it's a double sided circuit board
and you have to solder both sides.



andy butler Lexicon 
Vortex Database 

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Hi,

I used to use my DL4 with my miced up flute (close clip-on omni condenser) and
had such problems with build-up of noise from monitors and audience. There's a
really critical level, over which FOH and monitors made it imposible to create
loops with much subtlety and definition. I agree about gates and volume
pedals,
also monitor levels, position on stage also help.

I now use my wind synth system and its wonderful not to wory about noise and
feedback - that any "noise" that I create is deliberate and part of what I'm
doing.

Ian.
 

At 07:15 19/01/03 , you wrote:
>yes ii used to mic my looping set up. it was a nightmare! especially in live
>situations. gates help, you cant get around direct somehow. i have built a
>nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels into my boomerang+. let me
>know if this interests you or anyone else.
>
>peace
>jimmy george
>http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: ernesto schnack 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:34 PM
>Subject: looping with a mic
>
>
>> I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for the first time with a
>> mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.  The result was great,
>> esp. because it allowed me to easily use other instruments (including my
>> voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo pair and recording parts
>> from different positions to place them in the stereo field.
>>
>> However, the leaking of the monitored signal into the mic became a
>> problem at one point, but i managed to keep it under control since i had
>> the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live situation this would
>> be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing this?  Any suggestions
>> on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic maybe?
>> --
>> ernesto schnack
>> http://schnack.does.it
>>
>> --
>> http://fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email
service
>>
>>
> 


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--- Goddess  wrote:
>...a volume pedal ... between a mic preamp and
>whatever effects you might be using
> before  the Repeater's input.

That's exactly what I do, and it works quite well.
There's a Midiman Audio Buddy (my nomination for the
stupidest name for a useful piece of gear!) on my
pedalboard. The only problem is when I go to loop a
flute and forget to bring the volume pedal in first!

We had a thread about this very subject around spring
2001; I was looking for a volume pedal with an XLR in.
Got around it by adding the preamp.

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Hi loopers. A request on your forum, if I may, as it appears the best place 
in 'Netland for what we currently need here in the final phases of testing 
our first revision live-looping engine in the form of a VST plugin.

We seek a small number of volunteers that would be interested in becoming 
part of our software testing programme. In the inital phase this is to 
further test the free version that will be made available in early February. 
This will be fully functional but missing some refinements of the quantise 
engine, amongst other things, in "full" versions of both plugins and 
software. It will make an excellent starting looper for many people, we feel, 
to introduce them to the concept.The full release will follow a short time 
after and a full application based around the engine is planned for release 
in the summer.

Initially development is for the PC platform with Mac versions to follow. 
Unfortunately it has to be in this order for commercial reasons but a long 
wait for moving over to MacOS is not expected. This is currently being 
evaluated.

Participants with experience in using live looping hardware and keen in 
helping us to enhance the software during it's ongoing development would be 
the ideal. All are of course invited to apply but we would like to establish 
a long-term relationship with a few enthusastic loopers interested in helping 
us take this into even newer areas over time. The engine has been designed to 
be flexible enough to incorporate new ideas as demand arises.

Requirements at this stage are as follows: 1) A reasonably specified PC based 
audio setup as this is of course to be used in a live looping scenario. 2) An 
external controller of some kind (a Behringer FCB1010 would be ideal) as the 
software isn't really suited to mouse-clicking although the plugins fully 
support automation if your software allows this. 3) A VST host application 
that supports the Steinberg VST plugin standard. 4) A love for the 
live-looping idea and an enthusiasm to tell us where you guys want this to 
go.

If you feel that this may be of interest to you please introduce yourself to 
us at the email address given below detailing the following: Host application 
used, ASIO latency (if used), speed and type of CPU, amount of memory 
available, soundcard, controller used. 

Please contact if interested for rules of engagement at beta@pipeq.com

Thank you and regards.

Link and all at PipeQ

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Hi loopers. A request on your forum, if I may, as it appears the best place in 'Netland for what we currently need here in the final phases of testing our first revision live-looping engine in the form of a VST plugin.



We seek a small number of volunteers that would be interested in becoming part of our software testing programme. In the inital phase this is to further test the free version that will be made available in early February. This will be fully functional but missing some refinements of the quantise engine, amongst other things, in "full" versions of both plugins and software. It will make an excellent starting looper for many people, we feel, to introduce them to the concept.The full release will follow a short time after and a full application based around the engine is planned for release in the summer.



Initially development is for the PC platform with Mac versions to follow. Unfortunately it has to be in this order for commercial reasons but a long wait for moving over to MacOS is not expected. This is currently being evaluated.



Participants with experience in using live looping hardware and keen in helping us to enhance the software during it's ongoing development would be the ideal. All are of course invited to apply but we would like to establish a long-term relationship with a few enthusastic loopers interested in helping us take this into even newer areas over time. The engine has been designed to be flexible enough to incorporate new ideas as demand arises.



Requirements at this stage are as follows: 1) A reasonably specified PC based audio setup as this is of course to be used in a live looping scenario. 2) An external controller of some kind (a Behringer FCB1010 would be ideal) as the software isn't really suited to mouse-clicking although the plugins fully support automation if your software allows this. 3) A VST host application that supports the Steinberg VST plugin standard. 4) A love for the live-looping idea and an enthusiasm to tell us where you guys want this to go.



If you feel that this may be of interest to you please introduce yourself to us at the email address given below detailing the following: Host application used, ASIO latency (if used), speed and type of CPU, amount of memory available, soundcard, controller used. 



Please contact if interested for rules of engagement at beta@pipeq.com



Thank you and regards.



Link and all at PipeQ


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At 6:37 PM -0800 1/18/03, Kirkland Mack wrote:
>Is there any piece of hardware that uses a very flexible, computer 
>based audio interface similar to reaktor that allows the user to 
>create FX and synth engines comparable to reaktor and can be used 
>with an integrated computer compatible mixer?


Manifold Labs Plugzilla
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Droooooool. Thanks a bunch. You read my whole post? I somehow neglected to mention that I intend to use a divided piezo pickup on my guitar for this.
 Richard Zvonar  wrote:At 6:37 PM -0800 1/18/03, Kirkland Mack wrote:
>Is there any piece of hardware that uses a very flexible, computer 
>based audio interface similar to reaktor that allows the user to 
>create FX and synth engines comparable to reaktor and can be used 
>with an integrated computer compatible mixer?


Manifold Labs Plugzilla
http://www.plugzilla.com/


CreamWare Noah
http://www.creamware.de/en/products/noah/default.asp


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Droooooool. Thanks a bunch. You read my whole post? I somehow neglected to mention that I intend to use a divided piezo pickup on my guitar for this.

 Richard Zvonar <zvonar@zvonar.com> wrote:

At 6:37 PM -0800 1/18/03, Kirkland Mack wrote:
>Is there any piece of hardware that uses a very flexible, computer 
>based audio interface similar to reaktor that allows the user to 
>create FX and synth engines comparable to reaktor and can be used 
>with an integrated computer compatible mixer?


Manifold Labs Plugzilla
http://www.plugzilla.com/


CreamWare Noah
http://www.creamware.de/en/products/noah/default.asp


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In a message dated 1/19/03 2:15:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jg@jimmygeorgeband.com writes:


> i have built a
> nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels into my boomerang+. 

jimmy.....whats the buzz?.....gimme da scoop!.....michael

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In a message dated 1/19/03 2:15:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, jg@jimmygeorgeband.com writes:






i have built a

nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels into my boomerang+. 




jimmy.....whats the buzz?.....gimme da scoop!.....michael

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I contacted Lexicon about the rotary encoders. I know they use this kind
of encoders in mostly all of their devices, and the ones on the e.g.
PCM91 or 81 "feel" much better, allthough they might be of a different
type. But it would  be interesting whether the originals can be replaced
by higher quality ones. But maybe the Vortex circuit board's layout
isn't compatible. But if you do excessive programming/ editing, you use
this rotarys a lot, and I see a reason why they are worn out, if they're
not high quality. Maybe the Lexicon Support has an answer. Or one of you
list members...

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I'm *ASSUMING* they are not the same encoders used in the high end units

There was that product line (Vortex/Reflex/Alex - Jamman to some extent) 
that was aimed at a lower price-point.  I think they were cutting costs 
(pretty much no midi, etc).  Encoders, I suspect is where they cut costs 
(mechanicals can be costly)

there is probably a higher-quality counterpart - these are 6 pin encoders.

I don't remember the encoders having the be soldered to both sides of the 
board, but it has been a couple of years.









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I contacted Lexicon about the rotary encoders. I know they use this kind
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not high quality. Maybe the Lexicon Support has an answer. Or one of you
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Thanks all members for your input on this issue. Meanwhile I checked the
pots following the Diagnostic Mode as explained on Andy Butlers Vortex
site. Andy, did you know that you can check ALL pots seperately by
simultaneously pressing the Pedal/Tap button = checking Parameter pot,
A/B button = checking Value pot, Register button again = checking Preset
pot...? So I did check the pots, and the display showed what I described
in the first mail, randomly no changes in value, than bigger steps again
etc... It's a nice feature to check the Vortex. By the way, do you know
what in the diagnostic mode "reg/pre 06 Loops tests 08-07-05" is about?
As a result, my Vortex showed the value 6 in the display and seemed to
be frozen, I had to turn it off and on again to proceed with the
diagnostics. And, is there a similar diagnostic mode for the Jamman?

Thanks again.

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Fabian, just to clarify - these are encoders, not pots -- they are 
essentially rotary switches.

I mention this because the diagnostics of the actual component is different 
and it'll help you in your search as the component won't be listeed as a 
"potentiometer" in components lists







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Thanks all members for your input on this issue. Meanwhile I checked the
pots following the Diagnostic Mode as explained on Andy Butlers Vortex
site. Andy, did you know that you can check ALL pots seperately by
simultaneously pressing the Pedal/Tap button = checking Parameter pot,
A/B button = checking Value pot, Register button again = checking Preset
pot...? So I did check the pots, and the display showed what I described
in the first mail, randomly no changes in value, than bigger steps again
etc... It's a nice feature to check the Vortex. By the way, do you know
what in the diagnostic mode "reg/pre 06 Loops tests 08-07-05" is about?
As a result, my Vortex showed the value 6 in the display and seemed to
be frozen, I had to turn it off and on again to proceed with the
diagnostics. And, is there a similar diagnostic mode for the Jamman?

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test
----- Original Message -----
From: Clayton Gary Lehmann 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: Boomerang emulation under kyma


> He wrote the Looper Construction Kit.
> Wonder how his recovery from the biking accident is going.
> I am typing this with two hands and about to go to my doctor's appointment
> to get the sutures removed from my right shoulder rotator cuff thang.
> So I feel pretty good.
> Played miserable guitar with both hands last night briefly to test the
> Jamman Looper on the MPX G2.  It works . . .  Haven't tried any clock
stuff
> yet.
> More later.
> Gary
>
> Oh and certainly by all means, peace
>
>
> ..wow! hey thanks dennis. have you tried this?
>
> peace
> jimmy george
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dennis Leas 
>
> > > hi mike. is there any way to make the boomerang midi with a conversion
> kit
> > > etc.?
> >
> > Hi, Jimmy George!  Not trying to spam you but I thought you might be
> > interested in this: the Looper Construction Kit for Kyma offers a
complete
> > Boomerang emulation.  You can easily add MIDI sync and control to the
> > emulation.  You can run more than one emulation (probably at least four,
> but
> > I haven't tried) on a basic Kyma system.
> >
> > The manual is available for free download at:
> > http://www.greenteasoftware.com/download.htm
> > It includes details on the Boomerang emulation.
>
>
>

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i'm trying to send an email here with an xls attachment. it doesn't seem to
be going through though. it doesn't get kicked back, it just hasn't shown up
yet.

???

thanks
jimmy george

----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmy George Band 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Boomerang emulation under kyma


> test
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Clayton Gary Lehmann 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:19 PM
> Subject: Boomerang emulation under kyma
>
>
> > He wrote the Looper Construction Kit.
> > Wonder how his recovery from the biking accident is going.
> > I am typing this with two hands and about to go to my doctor's
appointment
> > to get the sutures removed from my right shoulder rotator cuff thang.
> > So I feel pretty good.
> > Played miserable guitar with both hands last night briefly to test the
> > Jamman Looper on the MPX G2.  It works . . .  Haven't tried any clock
> stuff
> > yet.
> > More later.
> > Gary
> >
> > Oh and certainly by all means, peace
> >
> >
> > ..wow! hey thanks dennis. have you tried this?
> >
> > peace
> > jimmy george
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dennis Leas 
> >
> > > > hi mike. is there any way to make the boomerang midi with a
conversion
> > kit
> > > > etc.?
> > >
> > > Hi, Jimmy George!  Not trying to spam you but I thought you might be
> > > interested in this: the Looper Construction Kit for Kyma offers a
> complete
> > > Boomerang emulation.  You can easily add MIDI sync and control to the
> > > emulation.  You can run more than one emulation (probably at least
four,
> > but
> > > I haven't tried) on a basic Kyma system.
> > >
> > > The manual is available for free download at:
> > > http://www.greenteasoftware.com/download.htm
> > > It includes details on the Boomerang emulation.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to use as monitors for 
years.  I know a lot of big acts use them exclusively.  Anyone here 
using something like that?

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:05 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I used to use my DL4 with my miced up flute (close clip-on omni 
> condenser) and
> had such problems with build-up of noise from monitors and audience. 
> There's a
> really critical level, over which FOH and monitors made it imposible 
> to create
> loops with much subtlety and definition. I agree about gates and volume
> pedals,
> also monitor levels, position on stage also help.
>
> I now use my wind synth system and its wonderful not to wory about 
> noise and
> feedback - that any "noise" that I create is deliberate and part of 
> what I'm
> doing.
>
> Ian.
>
>
> At 07:15 19/01/03 , you wrote:
>> yes ii used to mic my looping set up. it was a nightmare! especially 
>> in live
>> situations. gates help, you cant get around direct somehow. i have 
>> built a
>> nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels into my boomerang+. 
>> let me
>> know if this interests you or anyone else.
>>
>> peace
>> jimmy george
>> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ernesto schnack 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:34 PM
>> Subject: looping with a mic
>>
>>
>>> I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for the first time with a
>>> mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.  The result was 
>>> great,
>>> esp. because it allowed me to easily use other instruments 
>>> (including my
>>> voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo pair and recording 
>>> parts
>>> from different positions to place them in the stereo field.
>>>
>>> However, the leaking of the monitored signal into the mic became a
>>> problem at one point, but i managed to keep it under control since i 
>>> had
>>> the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live situation this 
>>> would
>>> be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing this?  Any 
>>> suggestions
>>> on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic maybe?
>>> --
>>> ernesto schnack
>>> http://schnack.does.it
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups 
>>> email
> service
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Thanks for the reminder, I know. I stick with encoders from now on.
Maybe I was just lazy typing 4 letters instead of 8... Sorry for that. 


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com] On 
> Behalf Of James Winger
> Sent: Sonntag, 19. Januar 2003 13:14
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> 
> 
> Fabian, just to clarify - these are encoders, not pots -- they are 
> essentially rotary switches.
> 
> I mention this because the diagnostics of the actual 
> component is different 
> and it'll help you in your search as the component won't be 
> listeed as a 
> "potentiometer" in components lists
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Fabian Petersen" 
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> Thanks all members for your input on this issue. Meanwhile I 
> checked the pots following the Diagnostic Mode as explained 
> on Andy Butlers Vortex site. Andy, did you know that you can 
> check ALL pots seperately by simultaneously pressing the 
> Pedal/Tap button = checking Parameter pot, A/B button = 
> checking Value pot, Register button again = checking Preset 
> pot...? So I did check the pots, and the display showed what 
> I described in the first mail, randomly no changes in value, 
> than bigger steps again etc... It's a nice feature to check 
> the Vortex. By the way, do you know what in the diagnostic 
> mode "reg/pre 06 Loops tests 08-07-05" is about? As a result, 
> my Vortex showed the value 6 in the display and seemed to be 
> frozen, I had to turn it off and on again to proceed with the 
> diagnostics. And, is there a similar diagnostic mode for the Jamman?
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> 
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I just didn't want you getting confused on parts lists like looking for the 
value of the "data value" pot









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Thanks for the reminder, I know. I stick with encoders from now on.
Maybe I was just lazy typing 4 letters instead of 8... Sorry for that.


 > -----Original Message-----
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 > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com] On
 > Behalf Of James Winger
 > Sent: Sonntag, 19. Januar 2003 13:14
 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
 > Subject: RE: Vortex diagnostics (was:VORTEX knobs and pots)
 >
 >
 > Fabian, just to clarify - these are encoders, not pots -- they are
 > essentially rotary switches.
 >
 > I mention this because the diagnostics of the actual
 > component is different
 > and it'll help you in your search as the component won't be
 > listeed as a
 > "potentiometer" in components lists
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > From: "Fabian Petersen" 
 > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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 > checked the pots following the Diagnostic Mode as explained
 > on Andy Butlers Vortex site. Andy, did you know that you can
 > check ALL pots seperately by simultaneously pressing the
 > Pedal/Tap button = checking Parameter pot, A/B button =
 > checking Value pot, Register button again = checking Preset
 > pot...? So I did check the pots, and the display showed what
 > I described in the first mail, randomly no changes in value,
 > than bigger steps again etc... It's a nice feature to check
 > the Vortex. By the way, do you know what in the diagnostic
 > mode "reg/pre 06 Loops tests 08-07-05" is about? As a result,
 > my Vortex showed the value 6 in the display and seemed to be
 > frozen, I had to turn it off and on again to proceed with the
 > diagnostics. And, is there a similar diagnostic mode for the Jamman?
 >
 > Thanks again.
 >
 >
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anyone looking for a cheap looper?
I have a Zoom 2100 multifx ( with up to 10 seconds of delay) with FP02 =
expression pedal for sale at =A340 and a Zoom GFX4 multifx for =A350. I =
can send anywhere on mainland Britain. email me at =
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anyone looking for a cheap =
looper?


I have a Zoom 2100 multifx ( with up to =
10 seconds=20
of delay) with FP02 expression pedal for sale at =A340 and a Zoom =
GFX4=20
multifx for =A350. I can send anywhere on mainland Britain. email me at =
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.co.uk


to keep it of the list


thanks


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And I really appreciate that correction. By the way, although it's not
easy to edit right now, I put together my first presets for the Vortex.
What a nice little machine, lots of character, very musical, beautiful,
nasty, angry... Like it a lot. First time I have the feeling I am
working WITH an effect to make music. Not ADDING an effect to music.
Well, old news for you guys, I guess.
 


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> I just didn't want you getting confused on parts lists like 
> looking for the 
> value of the "data value" pot
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>  > Subject: RE: Vortex diagnostics (was:VORTEX knobs and 
> pots)  >  >  > Fabian, just to clarify - these are encoders, 
> not pots -- they are  > essentially rotary switches.  >  > I 
> mention this because the diagnostics of the actual  > 
> component is different  > and it'll help you in your search 
> as the component won't be  > listeed as a  > "potentiometer" 
> in components lists  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > From: "Fabian 
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>  > Thanks all members for your input on this issue. Meanwhile 
> I  > checked the pots following the Diagnostic Mode as 
> explained  > on Andy Butlers Vortex site. Andy, did you know 
> that you can  > check ALL pots seperately by simultaneously 
> pressing the  > Pedal/Tap button = checking Parameter pot, 
> A/B button =  > checking Value pot, Register button again = 
> checking Preset  > pot...? So I did check the pots, and the 
> display showed what  > I described in the first mail, 
> randomly no changes in value,  > than bigger steps again 
> etc... It's a nice feature to check  > the Vortex. By the 
> way, do you know what in the diagnostic  > mode "reg/pre 06 
> Loops tests 08-07-05" is about? As a result,  > my Vortex 
> showed the value 6 in the display and seemed to be  > frozen, 
> I had to turn it off and on again to proceed with the  > 
> diagnostics. And, is there a similar diagnostic mode for the 
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> Andy, did you know that you can check ALL pots seperately by
>  simultaneously pressing the Pedal/Tap button = checking Parameter pot,
>  A/B button = checking Value pot, Register button again = checking Preset
>  pot...?

no (thanks)

> reg/pre 06 Loops tests 08-07-05

oddly enough, exactly what it says ;-)
it does a repeating sequence of tests 8, 5, & 7 
 
>  And, is there a similar diagnostic mode for the Jamman?

yes, don't have the details though
(probably on Bob Sellon's site)
there's a 440Hz tuning note 
(and a 1kHz)

andy butler

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> > reg/pre 06 Loops tests 08-07-05
> 
> oddly enough, exactly what it says ;-)
> it does a repeating sequence of tests 8, 5, & 7 
>  
Well, in my case it displays the number 6, and nothing happens, the
Vortex seems to freeze. No repeating sequence. What do you mean by that?
Do these numbers repeat in the display again and again, or do I have to
give an input signal into the vortex...?

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First off besides emulating this effect like Kyma, is there ANY way to
physically convert the Boomerang Phrase Sampler to become a Midi device?

until then...

Okay Michael and anyone else interested, here's a way to view the magic box,
which allows you up to 12 signals to be routed to the Rang etc...

If you go to my web site http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com and from the 'music'
page click 'equipment' on the right side menu. You can access the 'Magic
Box' page from here and view the set up etc. Let me know if you have any
questions or comments.

enjoy!
jimmy george

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For information on hardware devices and construction
http://www.ucapps.de/

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that are not Midi
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First off besides emulating this effect like Kyma, is there ANY way to
physically convert the Boomerang Phrase Sampler to become a Midi device?

until then...

Okay Michael and anyone else interested, here's a way to view the magic
box, which allows you up to 12 signals to be routed to the Rang etc...

If you go to my web site http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com and from the
'music' page click 'equipment' on the right side menu. You can access
the 'Magic Box' page from here and view the set up etc. Let me know if
you have any questions or comments.

enjoy!
jimmy george

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At 19:45 19/01/03 , you wrote:
>I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to use as monitors for 
>years.  I know a lot of big acts use them exclusively.  Anyone here 
>using something like that?


No, but I've been  wondering about looking into an in-ear monitor system too.
Ian.


>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:05 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I used to use my DL4 with my miced up flute (close clip-on omni 
>> condenser) and
>> had such problems with build-up of noise from monitors and audience. 
>> There's a
>> really critical level, over which FOH and monitors made it imposible 
>> to create
>> loops with much subtlety and definition. I agree about gates and volume
>> pedals,
>> also monitor levels, position on stage also help.
>>
>> I now use my wind synth system and its wonderful not to wory about 
>> noise and
>> feedback - that any "noise" that I create is deliberate and part of 
>> what I'm
>> doing.
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>>
>> At 07:15 19/01/03 , you wrote:
>>> yes ii used to mic my looping set up. it was a nightmare! especially 
>>> in live
>>> situations. gates help, you cant get around direct somehow. i have 
>>> built a
>>> nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels into my boomerang+. 
>>> let me
>>> know if this interests you or anyone else.
>>>
>>> peace
>>> jimmy george
>>>
<http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com/>http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: ernesto schnack 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:34 PM
>>> Subject: looping with a mic
>>>
>>>
>>>> I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for the first time with a
>>>> mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.  The result was 
>>>> great,
>>>> esp. because it allowed me to easily use other instruments 
>>>> (including my
>>>> voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo pair and recording 
>>>> parts
>>>> from different positions to place them in the stereo field.
>>>>
>>>> However, the leaking of the monitored signal into the mic became a
>>>> problem at one point, but i managed to keep it under control since i 
>>>> had
>>>> the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live situation this 
>>>> would
>>>> be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing this?  Any 
>>>> suggestions
>>>> on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic maybe?
>>>> --
>>>> ernesto schnack
>>>>
<http://schnack.does.it/>h
ttp://schnack.does.it
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
<http://fastmail.fm/>http://fastma
il.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups 
>>>> email
>> service
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 


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You can't send attachments to the list.  Your best bet is to compress 
it and post it somewhere.

Mark

On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 11:33 AM, Jimmy George Band wrote:

> i'm trying to send an email here with an xls attachment. it doesn't 
> seem to
> be going through though. it doesn't get kicked back, it just hasn't 
> shown up
> yet.
>
> ???
>
> thanks
> jimmy george
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jimmy George Band 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Boomerang emulation under kyma
>
>
>> test
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Clayton Gary Lehmann 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:19 PM
>> Subject: Boomerang emulation under kyma
>>
>>
>>> He wrote the Looper Construction Kit.
>>> Wonder how his recovery from the biking accident is going.
>>> I am typing this with two hands and about to go to my doctor's
> appointment
>>> to get the sutures removed from my right shoulder rotator cuff thang.
>>> So I feel pretty good.
>>> Played miserable guitar with both hands last night briefly to test 
>>> the
>>> Jamman Looper on the MPX G2.  It works . . .  Haven't tried any clock
>> stuff
>>> yet.
>>> More later.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> Oh and certainly by all means, peace
>>>
>>>
>>> ..wow! hey thanks dennis. have you tried this?
>>>
>>> peace
>>> jimmy george
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Dennis Leas 
>>>
>>>>> hi mike. is there any way to make the boomerang midi with a
> conversion
>>> kit
>>>>> etc.?
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Jimmy George!  Not trying to spam you but I thought you might be
>>>> interested in this: the Looper Construction Kit for Kyma offers a
>> complete
>>>> Boomerang emulation.  You can easily add MIDI sync and control to 
>>>> the
>>>> emulation.  You can run more than one emulation (probably at least
> four,
>>> but
>>>> I haven't tried) on a basic Kyma system.
>>>>
>>>> The manual is available for free download at:
>>>> http://www.greenteasoftware.com/download.htm
>>>> It includes details on the Boomerang emulation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Hey!  Let's have a thread about the difference between an effect, 
processor and instruments!

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 12:29 PM, Fabian Petersen wrote:

> \Like it a lot. First time I have the feeling I am
> working WITH an effect to make music. Not ADDING an effect to music.
> Well, old news for you guys, I guess.
>

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We also have a files area on the LD site.
C


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> i'm trying to send an email here with an xls attachment. it doesn't 
> seem to
> be going through though. it doesn't get kicked back, it just hasn't 
> shown up
> yet.


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thanks for your alls input. i have posted the info on my site. meanwhile
good information passed on, thanks

jimmy george
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> We also have a files area on the LD site.
> C
>
>
> On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 11:33 AM, Jimmy George Band wrote:
>
> > i'm trying to send an email here with an xls attachment. it doesn't
> > seem to
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Im planing on building a computer based music workstation for studio and performance use and am thinking about running it on linux.  A performance oriented looper is a must.  I mostly use miced instruments and vocals, very little prerecorded or electronicaly created sounds.  Anyone know my options or where to look?





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Im planing on building a computer based music workstation for studio and
performance use and am thinking about running it on linux.  A
performance oriented looper is a must.  I mostly use miced instruments
and vocals, very little prerecorded or electronicaly created sounds.
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> I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for the first time with a
>  mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.  The result was great,
>  esp. because it allowed me to easily use other instruments (including my
>  voice).

- I've had fun using the mic's (little tiny sony condensers) installed in my 
accordion to "sample" via looping (well, the accordion, naturally) but also 
other extraneous burble bits. I can talk/sing into it, play my dictaphone or 
radio into it and :
even sometimes grab a bit of a previously looped guitar raging out of the 
guitar cabs from another looper... that makes for some gratifying weirdness 
when you have a guitar loop re-"sampled" into another looper through an 
accordion mic while the accordion is droning... how funny is that?
best to alls
Robby

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P.S.:
the feedbacky bits were the most fun parts!

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The solution is simpler that one might think.  As long
as your looping rig involves a sub-mixer w/  headphone
jack--have the house floor monitors turned off
completely and simply use any earbuds/headphones. 

 I have done this w/ a Mackie 1202 vlz several times. 
In order that I can EQ my stereo headphone mix without
messing with the house mix-just go phones out into the
channel inputs another small mixer (those cheap little
behringers are fine) and split the signal at the 2nd
mixer's  phone out to accomodate any one else who may
need the mix.  

It's not the most glamorous solution--but room noise
and feedback problems are effectivley eliminated.

Cheers,

Rob Michael


>I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to
use >as monitors for 
>years.  I know a lot of big acts use them
exclusively.  >Anyone here 
>using something like that?

>Mark Sottilaro

>On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:05 AM, Ian
Popperwell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I used to use my DL4 with my miced up flute (close
clip-on omni 
> condenser) and
> had such problems with build-up of noise from
monitors and audience. 
> There's a
> really critical level, over which FOH and monitors
made it imposible 
> to create
> loops with much subtlety and definition. I agree
about gates and volume
> pedals,
> also monitor levels, position on stage also help.
>
> I now use my wind synth system and its wonderful not
to wory about 
> noise and
> feedback - that any "noise" that I create is
deliberate and part of 
> what I'm
> doing.
>
> Ian.
>
>
> At 07:15 19/01/03 , you wrote:
>> yes ii used to mic my looping set up. it was a
nightmare! especially 
>> in live
>> situations. gates help, you cant get around direct
somehow. i have 
>> built a
>> nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels
into my boomerang+. 
>> let me
>> know if this interests you or anyone else.
>>
>> peace
>> jimmy george
>>
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ernesto schnack 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:34 PM
>> Subject: looping with a mic
>>
>>
>>> I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for
the first time with a
>>> mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar. 
The result was 
>>> great,
>>> esp. because it allowed me to easily use other
instruments 
>>> (including my
>>> voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo
pair and recording 
>>> parts
>>> from different positions to place them in the
stereo field.
>>>
>>> However, the leaking of the monitored signal into
the mic became a
>>> problem at one point, but i managed to keep it
under control since i 
>>> had
>>> the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live
situation this 
>>> would
>>> be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing
this?  Any 
>>> suggestions
>>> on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic
maybe?
>>> --
>>> ernesto schnack
>>> http://schnack.does.it
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://fastmail.fm - A no
graphics, no pop-ups 
>>> email
> service
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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I am still trying to find out what's wrong with my Vortex except the
rotary encoder. I did all the diagnostics as described on Andy Butlers
page  http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/tonegen.htm

I get the following results displayed for the following test:

Reg/pre
01       =    6
02       =    Er. (might be, because simply there's no pedal connected)
06       =    6
0E       =    62

There was nothing connected to the Vortex except the Power Supply.
I don't know if anyone of you Vortex users ever did this check, but I
really would appreciate it, if some of you maybe do the same tests and
post the results here or mail them to me at fabpet@web.de. I just want
to make sure, there are no major bugs in my Vortex. And I don't have two
of them, so I can't verify my results. 

Thanks a lot.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 
> [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Sottilaro
> Sent: Sonntag, 19. Januar 2003 17:14
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Vortex diagnostics (was:VORTEX knobs and pots)
> 
> 
> Hey!  Let's have a thread about the difference between an effect, 
> processor and instruments!
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 12:29 PM, Fabian Petersen wrote:
> 
> > \Like it a lot. First time I have the feeling I am
> > working WITH an effect to make music. Not ADDING an effect 
> to music. 
> > Well, old news for you guys, I guess.
> >
> 

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I use sensaphonics in-ear monitors http://www.sensaphonics.com and they
rock. I sub-mix acoustic and electric guitars, percussion, vocals and guitar
synth into the EDP from a Mackie 1604 VLZ Pro Mixer and have no problem with
leakage (except crowd noise from excited yelling fans). But I guess that's
not THAT bad of a problem to have.

-Arthur Lee
www.arthurleemusic.com

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:45 PM
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I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to use as monitors for
years.  I know a lot of big acts use them exclusively.  Anyone here
using something like that?

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:05 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I used to use my DL4 with my miced up flute (close clip-on omni
> condenser) and
> had such problems with build-up of noise from monitors and audience.
> There's a
> really critical level, over which FOH and monitors made it imposible
> to create
> loops with much subtlety and definition. I agree about gates and volume
> pedals,
> also monitor levels, position on stage also help.
>
> I now use my wind synth system and its wonderful not to wory about
> noise and
> feedback - that any "noise" that I create is deliberate and part of
> what I'm
> doing.
>
> Ian.
>
>
> At 07:15 19/01/03 , you wrote:
>> yes ii used to mic my looping set up. it was a nightmare! especially
>> in live
>> situations. gates help, you cant get around direct somehow. i have
>> built a
>> nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels into my boomerang+.
>> let me
>> know if this interests you or anyone else.
>>
>> peace
>> jimmy george
>> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ernesto schnack 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:34 PM
>> Subject: looping with a mic
>>
>>
>>> I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for the first time with a
>>> mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.  The result was
>>> great,
>>> esp. because it allowed me to easily use other instruments
>>> (including my
>>> voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo pair and recording
>>> parts
>>> from different positions to place them in the stereo field.
>>>
>>> However, the leaking of the monitored signal into the mic became a
>>> problem at one point, but i managed to keep it under control since i
>>> had
>>> the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live situation this
>>> would
>>> be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing this?  Any
>>> suggestions
>>> on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic maybe?
>>> --
>>> ernesto schnack
>>> http://schnack.does.it
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups
>>> email
> service
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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In a message dated 19/01/03 22:28:28 GMT Standard Time, 
Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:

> > > reg/pre 06 Loops tests 08-07-05
>  > 
>  > oddly enough, exactly what it says ;-)
>  > it does a repeating sequence of tests 8, 5, & 7 
>  >  
>  Well, in my case it displays the number 6, and nothing happens, the
>  Vortex seems to freeze. No repeating sequence. What do you mean by that?
>  Do these numbers repeat in the display again and again, or do I have to
>  give an input signal into the vortex...?

you don't see it happen, the tests just run repeatedly
until the device is switched off.
the display changes if there's an error

It's designed for a production check, they
must just let them run for a couple of hours
(days?) to make sure nothing crashes.

andy

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> By the way, although it's not
>  easy to edit right now, I put together my first presets for the Vortex.
>  What a nice little machine, lots of character, very musical, beautiful,
>  nasty, angry... Like it a lot. First time I have the feeling I am
>  working WITH an effect to make music. Not ADDING an effect to music.

yes indeed.
I find that i can work out a patch
to do something special with the expression pedal, then save it.
Coming back to the same patch later and experimenting,
there always new unplanned stuff within the patch. 

very interactive, just like an "instrument"

>  Well, old news for you guys, I guess.

nice to hear people are still discovering

andy

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Yesterday I performed some looping on an acoustic guitar in a church
where the on-stage sound levels had to be low.  I used a little
Behringer mixer to split the signal off my looper to [the board] and to
[the headphones].  It worked great.  I used Grado open-aire headphones.
Grado headphones do not occlude your ear from outside noise, so you can
still hear the room ambience or the band or whatever.  

A word about the Grado headphones: I picked these headphones out at a
headphone trade show.  They have a nearly flat response across the
spectrum, not bass heavy like most of the consumer brands.   Their entry
model is under $100.  Checkout at headphone.com, or gradolabs.com.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Michael [mailto:rob_michael_2002@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 7:15 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: looping with a mic

The solution is simpler that one might think.  As long
as your looping rig involves a sub-mixer w/  headphone
jack--have the house floor monitors turned off
completely and simply use any earbuds/headphones. 

 I have done this w/ a Mackie 1202 vlz several times. 
In order that I can EQ my stereo headphone mix without
messing with the house mix-just go phones out into the
channel inputs another small mixer (those cheap little
behringers are fine) and split the signal at the 2nd
mixer's  phone out to accomodate any one else who may
need the mix.  

It's not the most glamorous solution--but room noise
and feedback problems are effectivley eliminated.

Cheers,

Rob Michael


>I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to
use >as monitors for 
>years.  I know a lot of big acts use them
exclusively.  >Anyone here 
>using something like that?

>Mark Sottilaro

>On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:05 AM, Ian
Popperwell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I used to use my DL4 with my miced up flute (close
clip-on omni 
> condenser) and
> had such problems with build-up of noise from
monitors and audience. 
> There's a
> really critical level, over which FOH and monitors
made it imposible 
> to create
> loops with much subtlety and definition. I agree
about gates and volume
> pedals,
> also monitor levels, position on stage also help.
>
> I now use my wind synth system and its wonderful not
to wory about 
> noise and
> feedback - that any "noise" that I create is
deliberate and part of 
> what I'm
> doing.
>
> Ian.
>
>
> At 07:15 19/01/03 , you wrote:
>> yes ii used to mic my looping set up. it was a
nightmare! especially 
>> in live
>> situations. gates help, you cant get around direct
somehow. i have 
>> built a
>> nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels
into my boomerang+. 
>> let me
>> know if this interests you or anyone else.
>>
>> peace
>> jimmy george
>>
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ernesto schnack 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:34 PM
>> Subject: looping with a mic
>>
>>
>>> I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for
the first time with a
>>> mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar. 
The result was 
>>> great,
>>> esp. because it allowed me to easily use other
instruments 
>>> (including my
>>> voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo
pair and recording 
>>> parts
>>> from different positions to place them in the
stereo field.
>>>
>>> However, the leaking of the monitored signal into
the mic became a
>>> problem at one point, but i managed to keep it
under control since i 
>>> had
>>> the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live
situation this 
>>> would
>>> be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing
this?  Any 
>>> suggestions
>>> on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic
maybe?
>>> --
>>> ernesto schnack
>>> http://schnack.does.it
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://fastmail.fm - A no
graphics, no pop-ups 
>>> email
> service
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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I have always associated open-air headphones with being far more susceptible
to feedback when standing near an open mic.  That was apparently not a
problem for you?

It certainly is nice to be able to hear the room and especially other
performers speaking to you :)

Second the recommendation on headphone.com. Great resource and very
educational. Who knew there were folks paying almost $4K for a personal
headphone amp? wow

thanks for the tip.

Bob Campbell



----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Bolan" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: looping with a mic


> Yesterday I performed some looping on an acoustic guitar in a church
> where the on-stage sound levels had to be low.  I used a little
> Behringer mixer to split the signal off my looper to [the board] and to
> [the headphones].  It worked great.  I used Grado open-aire headphones.
> Grado headphones do not occlude your ear from outside noise, so you can
> still hear the room ambience or the band or whatever.
>
> A word about the Grado headphones: I picked these headphones out at a
> headphone trade show.  They have a nearly flat response across the
> spectrum, not bass heavy like most of the consumer brands.   Their entry
> model is under $100.  Checkout at headphone.com, or gradolabs.com.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Michael [mailto:rob_michael_2002@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 7:15 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: looping with a mic
>
> The solution is simpler that one might think.  As long
> as your looping rig involves a sub-mixer w/  headphone
> jack--have the house floor monitors turned off
> completely and simply use any earbuds/headphones.
>
>  I have done this w/ a Mackie 1202 vlz several times.
> In order that I can EQ my stereo headphone mix without
> messing with the house mix-just go phones out into the
> channel inputs another small mixer (those cheap little
> behringers are fine) and split the signal at the 2nd
> mixer's  phone out to accomodate any one else who may
> need the mix.
>
> It's not the most glamorous solution--but room noise
> and feedback problems are effectivley eliminated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Michael
>
>
> >I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to
> use >as monitors for
> >years.  I know a lot of big acts use them
> exclusively.  >Anyone here
> >using something like that?
>
> >Mark Sottilaro
>
> >On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:05 AM, Ian
> Popperwell wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I used to use my DL4 with my miced up flute (close
> clip-on omni
> > condenser) and
> > had such problems with build-up of noise from
> monitors and audience.
> > There's a
> > really critical level, over which FOH and monitors
> made it imposible
> > to create
> > loops with much subtlety and definition. I agree
> about gates and volume
> > pedals,
> > also monitor levels, position on stage also help.
> >
> > I now use my wind synth system and its wonderful not
> to wory about
> > noise and
> > feedback - that any "noise" that I create is
> deliberate and part of
> > what I'm
> > doing.
> >
> > Ian.
> >
> >
> > At 07:15 19/01/03 , you wrote:
> >> yes ii used to mic my looping set up. it was a
> nightmare! especially
> >> in live
> >> situations. gates help, you cant get around direct
> somehow. i have
> >> built a
> >> nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels
> into my boomerang+.
> >> let me
> >> know if this interests you or anyone else.
> >>
> >> peace
> >> jimmy george
> >>
> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: ernesto schnack 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:34 PM
> >> Subject: looping with a mic
> >>
> >>
> >>> I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for
> the first time with a
> >>> mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.
> The result was
> >>> great,
> >>> esp. because it allowed me to easily use other
> instruments
> >>> (including my
> >>> voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo
> pair and recording
> >>> parts
> >>> from different positions to place them in the
> stereo field.
> >>>
> >>> However, the leaking of the monitored signal into
> the mic became a
> >>> problem at one point, but i managed to keep it
> under control since i
> >>> had
> >>> the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live
> situation this
> >>> would
> >>> be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing
> this?  Any
> >>> suggestions
> >>> on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic
> maybe?
> >>> --
> >>> ernesto schnack
> >>> http://schnack.does.it
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://fastmail.fm - A no
> graphics, no pop-ups
> >>> email
> > service
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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I've haven't had any problems on-stage w/ headphones and feedback. In a
recording situation where everything has to be totally quiet, open-air
headphones will leak a little sound if you are within a few inches of
microphone.  

But on stage, the headphones are FAR quieter than an amp.  

Yes, headphone.com actually provides frequency response graphs for their
headphones.  Very helpful.  I went to one of their tradeshows a few
months ago, and listened to the $12,000 Sennheiser Orpheus headphones
and tube pre-amp.  They sounded incredible, but so did the $500
headphones ;-)  

Thanks..

-----Original Message-----
From: astroblue [mailto:astro@astroblue.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:05 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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I have always associated open-air headphones with being far more
susceptible
to feedback when standing near an open mic.  That was apparently not a
problem for you?

It certainly is nice to be able to hear the room and especially other
performers speaking to you :)

Second the recommendation on headphone.com. Great resource and very
educational. Who knew there were folks paying almost $4K for a personal
headphone amp? wow

thanks for the tip.

Bob Campbell



----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Bolan" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: looping with a mic


> Yesterday I performed some looping on an acoustic guitar in a church
> where the on-stage sound levels had to be low.  I used a little
> Behringer mixer to split the signal off my looper to [the board] and
to
> [the headphones].  It worked great.  I used Grado open-aire
headphones.
> Grado headphones do not occlude your ear from outside noise, so you
can
> still hear the room ambience or the band or whatever.
>
> A word about the Grado headphones: I picked these headphones out at a
> headphone trade show.  They have a nearly flat response across the
> spectrum, not bass heavy like most of the consumer brands.   Their
entry
> model is under $100.  Checkout at headphone.com, or gradolabs.com.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Michael [mailto:rob_michael_2002@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 7:15 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: looping with a mic
>
> The solution is simpler that one might think.  As long
> as your looping rig involves a sub-mixer w/  headphone
> jack--have the house floor monitors turned off
> completely and simply use any earbuds/headphones.
>
>  I have done this w/ a Mackie 1202 vlz several times.
> In order that I can EQ my stereo headphone mix without
> messing with the house mix-just go phones out into the
> channel inputs another small mixer (those cheap little
> behringers are fine) and split the signal at the 2nd
> mixer's  phone out to accomodate any one else who may
> need the mix.
>
> It's not the most glamorous solution--but room noise
> and feedback problems are effectivley eliminated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Michael
>
>
> >I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to
> use >as monitors for
> >years.  I know a lot of big acts use them
> exclusively.  >Anyone here
> >using something like that?
>
> >Mark Sottilaro
>
> >On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 04:05 AM, Ian
> Popperwell wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I used to use my DL4 with my miced up flute (close
> clip-on omni
> > condenser) and
> > had such problems with build-up of noise from
> monitors and audience.
> > There's a
> > really critical level, over which FOH and monitors
> made it imposible
> > to create
> > loops with much subtlety and definition. I agree
> about gates and volume
> > pedals,
> > also monitor levels, position on stage also help.
> >
> > I now use my wind synth system and its wonderful not
> to wory about
> > noise and
> > feedback - that any "noise" that I create is
> deliberate and part of
> > what I'm
> > doing.
> >
> > Ian.
> >
> >
> > At 07:15 19/01/03 , you wrote:
> >> yes ii used to mic my looping set up. it was a
> nightmare! especially
> >> in live
> >> situations. gates help, you cant get around direct
> somehow. i have
> >> built a
> >> nifty routing system that pulls up to 12 channels
> into my boomerang+.
> >> let me
> >> know if this interests you or anyone else.
> >>
> >> peace
> >> jimmy george
> >>
> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: ernesto schnack 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:34 PM
> >> Subject: looping with a mic
> >>
> >>
> >>> I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for
> the first time with a
> >>> mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.
> The result was
> >>> great,
> >>> esp. because it allowed me to easily use other
> instruments
> >>> (including my
> >>> voice).  I was even thinking of using a stereo
> pair and recording
> >>> parts
> >>> from different positions to place them in the
> stereo field.
> >>>
> >>> However, the leaking of the monitored signal into
> the mic became a
> >>> problem at one point, but i managed to keep it
> under control since i
> >>> had
> >>> the input muted in the repeater.  Still, in a live
> situation this
> >>> would
> >>> be quite a problem. Anybody have experience doing
> this?  Any
> >>> suggestions
> >>> on preventing leakage, noise gate on the mic
> maybe?
> >>> --
> >>> ernesto schnack
> >>> http://schnack.does.it
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://fastmail.fm - A no
> graphics, no pop-ups
> >>> email
> > service
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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I am very excited to announce THE FIRST EVER PALO ALTO LOOPING MUSIC
FESTIVAL!!!!

a night of solo, duo, trio, and quartet live looping performances featuring:
  *Andre Lafosse: guitar turntablist from Los Angeles
  *Rick Walker: found Sound multi-instrumentalist from Santa Cruz
  *Cara Quinn: guitar and voice from Boulder, Colorado
  *Jon Wagner: percussion and trapset

Thursday, January 23rd, 7:30-10:00pm (THIS WEEK!!!)
Art21 Gallery, 539 Alma Street, Palo Alto (a 2 minute walk from Caltrain)
www.art21.us
10$ tickets at the door, (no one turned away for lack of funds)

More information at:  www.jondrums.com/looping/


AND, AND, AND,

I will be going on the radio live tonight to talk about looping, promote the
show, and play cuts from all of the participating artists.  AND, guess what,
there's a live stream on the internet.  Here's the details:

Monday Jan, 20th 9:00-10:00pm (Pacific Time)
KZSU 90.1fm  (Stanford, California)
http://kzsulive.stanford.edu/  (live audio stream)

If you get the chance, tune in, and if you're in the area, come say hi at
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Jon

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>I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to use as monitors 
>for years.  I know a lot of big acts use them exclusively.  Anyone 
>here using something like that?

that would be nice... I think in a few years, hardly anyone will 
still use monitors on stage...

When I play with Giba, we use ordinary good big headphones and no monitors.
It may look a bit odd, but, so what...
Its not only to avoid the feedback from the monitors, but to get a 
better idea of the mix: If you play a strong acustic instument, you 
hardly can tell by the monitor, how loud you play it into the loop.

I wrote about that in "Looping percussion" or similar, in the LD 
playing hints archive...
-- 


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>  > I just had a bit of a revelation by looping for the first time with a
>>   mic, instead of plugging in my acoustic guitar.  The result was great,
>>   esp. because it allowed me to easily use other instruments (including my
>>   voice).
>
>- I've had fun using the mic's (little tiny sony condensers) installed in my
>accordion to "sample" via looping (well, the accordion, naturally) but also
>other extraneous burble bits. I can talk/sing into it, play my dictaphone or
>radio into it and :
>even sometimes grab a bit of a previously looped guitar raging out of the
>guitar cabs from another looper... that makes for some gratifying weirdness
>when you have a guitar loop re-"sampled" into another looper through an
>accordion mic while the accordion is droning... how funny is that?
>best to alls
>Robby

not funny at all :-)
Its the biggest problem I have when playing with Giba: Even without 
monitors, my guitar leaks a little into his mikes, so when I stop my 
loop to build a new one onto his ongoing percussion groove, it still 
goes on in his loop and I am not really free to do something totally 
different.
When will I have time to care for "electric percussion" instruments...?
-- 


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>Is there any piece of hardware that uses a very flexible, computer 
>based audio interface similar to reaktor that allows the user to 
>create FX and synth engines comparable to reaktor and can be used 
>with an integrated computer compatible mixer? (I dare someone to 
>tell me to get a notebook) Some rules of what I want follow.
>
>1. Must work live, and well. No lag. No serious issues or hangups to 
>ruin my day.

so you dont want a computer :-)

>2. My main use for it would be this: I would create a six channel 
>distortion circuit, similar to the hexafuzz design made by someone 
>on here (Sorry i don't know you all

could that be me?

>better. Whoever's design that is, kudos! It sounds BEAUTIFUL!), but 
>with an ADSR and a second ADSR controlling a filter for each of the 
>six signals, plus the option to control the filter by the first ADSR 
>i.e. envelope filtering.

tell me when you find a way, I want one, too!
I actually dream of a guitar with a fire wire output...

>3. Priced around a grand. (OK I lied, I will pay more, but I'd 
>rather not pay much more.)
>
>If anyone has anything at all to say about this ridiculous inquiry, 
>please do. Or just answer me this one question: Why the hell can't 
>anyone design a decent guitar synth?

probably because there is not much request

>(I dare someone to tell me to build my own) Peace on Earth and good 
>will toward men. - Kirk


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>I can't seem to locate info on what this message means on my Loop IV EDP-
>"Nid"
>
>Anyone know?
>
>Cliff

probably its Midi (hard to show on 7 seg display)
It happens when there is an overload of the MIDI input buffer, 
usually caused by some MIDI feedback or some equipment that sends 
thousands of Off commands at starting up or panic.
does that make sense, or did you have some other problem?
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I never much cared for the Lexicon footswitches

I used these

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=FSW-12&type=store

They felt good and I liked the style (you have to screw them down to 
something like part of a pedalboard or a winebox lid



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 What I  have found is that if you tend to use both the expression pedal
and tap tempo on the fly, you can minimize the pitch bend effect by tapping
as close as can be approximated, the same tempo in both the heal up and
heal down postition on the expression pedal. It won't completely loose the
pitch bending effect but it will take most of it away . The problem is, any
time you tap tempo, you are in essence, editing your program. I actually
really dig that artifact, particularly for the sweep echo. I like to set
the echo longer in the the heal down position, and shorter in the toe
forward position. I find the effect of the regeneration running away as the
delay is speeding up very thrilling. Try quarter notes for the heal down
position and triplet eighth notes for the toe forward position. My dream
DL4 would have about 60-80 seconds of delay time and midi sync for the
looper. Also, I highly recommend one of those Ebtech line level shifters if
you want to use your DL4 into a line level effects loop without distorting
the input of the DL4. You would need two of these if you wanted to run
stereo, or get the eight channel rack version. These are now distibuted by
Morley. I just use one and run my DL4 in mono on whatever channel insert
point I choose. These little problem solvers also work great on rack gear
with weak headroom such as a jamman, and they work in reverse if you chose
to run a rack mount effect operating at +4db in line with instrument level
effects like most pedals (typically -10 db to -20). As some of you have
experienced running a line level effect before a guitar amp can make things
downright hissy and brittle sounding.(See repeater).
Good luck
Bill


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Makes sense- I have a new Slidemate controller that is sending loads of NRPN
data on a different channel- but I guess the EDP doesen't want it anyway-
I'll have to reconfigure my midi routing. Thanks-

Cliff

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> >I can't seem to locate info on what this message means on my Loop IV EDP-
> >"Nid"
> >
> >Anyone know?
> >
> >Cliff
>
> probably its Midi (hard to show on 7 seg display)
> It happens when there is an overload of the MIDI input buffer,
> usually caused by some MIDI feedback or some equipment that sends
> thousands of Off commands at starting up or panic.
> does that make sense, or did you have some other problem?
> --
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Given the amount of DL-4s, Repeaters, EDPs and the like that will be present, this might be considered a Seattle Looping festival...

Tuesday, January 21st, Spaceboat.TV presents,
Meetspace at Consolidated Works featuring,

....DRONERAMA.....

 Sound artists, spaced thru-out the complex, will perform live
ambient textures, soundtracking video projections by Spaceboat.tv

entropic advance     Intonarumori
Carl Farrow          Vance Galloway
xaxis wye            table:artist
Ffej                 Mutant Data Orchestra
Lyn Goeringer        Chaos is Your Destiny
Jonathan Kochmer     Jim Fink
Mark Fauver          Jonathan Ewald
Dan White            Bill Horist


 8-11 p.m. FREE to ALL AGES and 21+ bar
 Consolidated Works, 500 Boren Ave. North, Seattle



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Hello list,

A reminder/update for the upcoming Northern California tour with Rick
Walker, Steve Lawson, myself, and some very special guests.  The first
leg of the tour here in LA happened last night, and left all of us
feeling very optimistic and excited about the shows to come - there were
strong shades of mid-'70s Miles Davis, late-'90s Warp-esque electronica,
and some surprisingly tonal, almost jazzy pastoral bits.  Each of us is
getting the chance to branch into territory we don't generally do on our
own (Rick Walker is a KILLER drumset player!), and we're having a hell
of a lot of fun already.  

Each one of the upcoming gigs has a slightly different line-up and/or
set of circumstances behind it, and no two gigs will be the same...

1) Wednesday, January 22 - San Luis Obispo
Z-Pie | 1060 Osos Street | 9:00 PM

Also featuring Hans Lindauer doing his dual-EDP live techno Armatronix
routine.  We may just turn into a 21st-Century Disco Band...

2) Thursday, January 23 - The fellowship is broken in Palo Alto:

Steve Lawson plays a solo clinic at Gryphon Stringed Instruments, 211
Lambert Ave at 6:00 PM...

Meanwhile, a one-time collection of Looper's Delight regulars stages a
show just a couple of miles away:

The First Palo Alto Looping Fesival
Art 21 Gallery, 539 Alma Street (at Hamilton), Palo Alto | 7:30 PM

Of all the shows on the tour, this one is the biggest wild card for me,
and at two and a half hours running time, there's lots of room to
explore.  The lineup is very unusual, and happens only at this show:
myself, Cara "Goddess" Quinn (all the way from Colorado!) on guitar and
EDP, Jon "Jondrums" Wagner on percussion, and Rick Walker doing the
things only Rick Walker can do.  

With two Steinberger-mongering EDP glitch freaks and two Bay Area
electro-acoustic percussion virtuosos, it could go any number of ways:
we might turn into a bass-less '90s King Crimson cover band, we might
play Santana tunes all night... or we might just turn into the
post-glitch looping equivalent of Fleetwood Mac.

Trainspotters and groupies take note: the Lawson clinic and the festival
are a scant three miles away, and as Steve's thing starts 90 minutes
before the group show, you could conceivably catch both gigs in one
night.  Don't blame me if your head explodes from Echoplex overload...

3) Friday, January 24 - San Jose Museum Of Art, San Jose | 8:00 PM

The one gig of the tour with just Rick, Steve, and myself.  This one
should leave us lots of room to stretch out and explore different
combinations of solo, duo, and trio work.

4) Saturday, January 25 - Santa Cruz
Cayuga Vault | 1100 Soquel Avenue, Santa Cruz, CA | 8:00 PM

Another Walker/Lawson/LaFosse trio show, and a special evening on two
counts: the exceptional Bill Walker will be doing his solo set, and the
mayor of Santa Cruz will apparently open the whole gig by proclaiming
"International Looping Day."  Rick tells me that the gig and
proclamation have made the front page of the Santa Cruz Metro, so this
has the makings of a rather big deal.

5) Sunday, January 26 - San Rafael
Bananas At Large | 1504 4th St. | 3:00 PM

A mid-afternoon Echoplex clinic with Rick, Steve, and myself, and a good
chance to compare notes on our different techniques with the EDP.

6) Wednesday, January 29 - Ben Lomond
Henflings Firehouse Tavern | 9450 Highway 9 | 8:00 PM

The last show of the tour, and - like the first one here in Hollywood -
we'll be joined by Michael Manring for various solo, duo, trio, and
quartet performances.  If it's as much fun as last night's show was,
then I can't wait.

I'm definitely looking forward to seeing some of you up there - please do
try and make it to one or more of the shows if you're at all able to;
this is a pretty rare combination of players to catch in one run.

Best wishes,

--Andre LaFosse
The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
http://www.altruistmusic.com

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A cool write-up for this gig (way to go Jon!):

http://www.mv-voice.com/thisweek/2003_01_17.looping.html

--Dre

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Hello again list,

One other Northern California bit of spammage - 

I'd be happy to try and set up some private EDP teaching with any Bay
Area list members who might be interested for this upcoming week and a
half.  I'll be in the South Bay area from the 23rd to the 29th, and
should have some flexibility in terms of fitting in lesson times between
shows.  We can focus on any sort of Echoplex-related issues you like,
and I tailor the lessons to each individual.  When I was up there in
August I taught a couple of fellows; the two lessons were totally
different in their orientation and subject matter, and they both seemed
very receptive to getting some hands-on training with the EDP.  (For
that matter, if anyone's interested in a plain old guitar lesson, that
could certainly be arranged as well...)

If you're interested in this, please drop me an email off-list
(altruist@earthlink.net) and let me know your location, your schedule,
and what you're interested in covering, and I'll do my best to work it in.

Thanks,

--Andre LaFosse
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not to start a flame war but shouldn't a 'festival' have more than 4
musicians ??



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Mirriam Webster says:

Main Entry: 2festival
Function: noun
Date: 1589
1 a : a time of celebration marked by special observances b : FEAST 2
2 : a periodic season or program of cultural events or entertainment
3 : GAIETY, CONVIVIALITY

I'd say no- more than 4 not a requirement- but it does say periodic- which
could mean if it is not planned as an annual or such event maybe it is not a
festival. Seems to meet the 1st definition pretty well however.

:)
Cliff
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> not to start a flame war but shouldn't a 'festival' have more than 4
> musicians ??
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Not far from the haunted Brookdale Lodge!
http://www.brookdalelodge.com/
Mark Sottilaro stayed there--so did we--
It's not real clean but the restaurant was worth the price of admission.
Best to all on tour--on with the loop!
Gary

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6) Wednesday, January 29 - Ben Lomond
Henflings Firehouse Tavern | 9450 Highway 9 | 8:00 PM

The last show of the tour, and - like the first one here in Hollywood -
we'll be joined by Michael Manring for various solo, duo, trio, and
quartet performances.  

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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #304                    January 16, 2003.


RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star
in the spacemusic genre.  The Featured CD at midnight was "To Earth and Back"
by Brannan Lane the SpaceForMusic.com label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Dig It" by Klaus Schulze on the Brain label.

Brannan Lane   http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Klaus Schulze           Wierd Caravan            Dig It (Brain)
VA [The Ministry of     While the Rest of the    The Gatherings (Synkronos)
  Inside Things]          World Sleeps
Ixohoxi                 Minor Premonition        Somnabulae (MP3.com)
Redshift                Bleed 1                  Siren (Distant Sun)
Redshift                Bleed 2                  Siren (Distant Sun)
Redshift                Bleed 3                  Siren (Distant Sun)
Redshift                Bleed 4                  Siren (Distant Sun)
Redshift                Bleed 5                  Siren (Distant Sun)

12:00 am
Brannan Lane            To Earth and Back 1      To Earth and Back (Space for
                                                   Music)
Brannan Lane            To Earth and Back 2      To Earth and Back (Space for
                                                   Music)
Brannan Lane            To Earth and Back 3      To Earth and Back (Space for
                                                   Music)
Brannan Lane            To Earth and Back 4      To Earth and Back (Space for
                                                   Music)
Brannan Lane            Boundless 1              To Earth and Back (Space for
                                                   Music)
Brannan Lane            Boundless 2              To Earth and Back (Space for
                                                   Music)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Brannan Lane.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Troposphere" by Brannan Lane on World Circle
Records.

The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Beauty in the Beast" by Wendy
Carlos on Passport Records.

Bill
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11  pm  on  WDIY  88.1  FM,  Allentown  and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.     http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic        All times are GMT-5:00
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Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown  91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
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So being perhaps the last person on earth to finally check out a dl4, I
am now wondering about an expression pedal. Seems like a must, from what
everyone says.

On the off chance it might work, I plugged in my FV-50L, but although I
hear some sweepy results when I move the pedal it doesn't seem to be
right, both ends of the range have the same sound.

So do I need the official EX1 pedal from Line6?  Other options?

Also, I have started digging in the archives for all the current and
past discussions, which is great, but is there by any chance a dl4 fan
site with all the tips and tricks in one place, or perhaps some
dedicated lists?

thanks,

BobC


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BIZARRE ... when I saw you this last Sunday night which was a BRILLIANT 
performance by the way... I was thinking, if I were to get some echoplex 
pointers or maybe a "LESSON" you would be the man!

PEOPLE... DO NOT MISS ANDRE! this guy TRULY uses the echoplex as an 
instrument the majority of the rest of us use it as a tool...

Andre uses his guitar as a tool, and is a phenomenal echoplexist!

I have a million bass heroes, and now I never thought I'd say I have an 
echoplex hero too!

Thanks,
9:
the artist formerly know as:
Gregory Bruce Campbell

Listen up loopers who are MP3.COM artists: 
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BIZARRE ... when I saw you this last Sunday night which was a BRILLIANT performance by the way... I was thinking, if I were to get some echoplex pointers or maybe a "LESSON" you would be the man!



PEOPLE... DO NOT MISS ANDRE! this guy TRULY uses the echoplex as an instrument the majority of the rest of us use it as a tool...



Andre uses his guitar as a tool, and is a phenomenal echoplexist!



I have a million bass heroes, and now I never thought I'd say I have an echoplex hero too!



Thanks,

9:

the artist formerly know as:

Gregory Bruce Campbell



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Hi guys and gals, sorry if this was gone over already, but on the Cayuga
Vault's page there is no mention of a gig on this day, then it lists one
that was on the 13th which i was unable to attend.

http://www.cayugavault.com/artists/2002jan.html#loopfest

Q: is the gig on january 25th still on? I need a fix, will more than likely
be rolling coins for gas so want to make sure it's on:)

thanks,
glenn

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just realized even the year is wrong on the site!

Hi guys and gals, sorry if this was gone over already, but on the Cayuga
Vault's page there is no mention of a gig on this day, then it lists one
that was on the 13th which i was unable to attend.

http://www.cayugavault.com/artists/2002jan.html#loopfest

Q: is the gig on january 25th still on? I need a fix, will more than likely
be rolling coins for gas so want to make sure it's on:)

thanks,
glenn


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Their website seems to be a little bit kooky.  Try this link:

http://www.cayugavault.com/events/index.html

-Hans


At 21:06 20/01/2003, you wrote:
>just realized even the year is wrong on the site!
>
>Hi guys and gals, sorry if this was gone over already, but on the Cayuga
>Vault's page there is no mention of a gig on this day, then it lists one
>that was on the 13th which i was unable to attend.
>
>http://www.cayugavault.com/artists/2002jan.html#loopfest
>
>Q: is the gig on january 25th still on? I need a fix, will more than likely
>be rolling coins for gas so want to make sure it's on:)
>
>thanks,
>glenn


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glenn wrote:
 
> just realized even the year is wrong on the site!

You're actually looking at the "Artist Archive" for the Vault - a
listing of gigs a year ago!

Here's the current schedule:

http://www.cayugavault.com/events/index.html

with the January 25th gig still very much on.

Hope you can make it, Glenn.

--Andre



> Hi guys and gals, sorry if this was gone over already, but on the Cayuga
> Vault's page there is no mention of a gig on this day, then it lists one
> that was on the 13th which i was unable to attend.
> 
> http://www.cayugavault.com/artists/2002jan.html#loopfest
> 
> Q: is the gig on january 25th still on? I need a fix, will more than likely
> be rolling coins for gas so want to make sure it's on:)
> 
> thanks,
> glenn

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> I will be going on the radio live tonight to talk about looping, promote the
> show, and play cuts from all of the participating artists.  AND, guess what,
> there's a live stream on the internet.  Here's the details:
> 
> Monday Jan, 20th 9:00-10:00pm (Pacific Time)
> KZSU 90.1fm  (Stanford, California)
> http://kzsulive.stanford.edu/  (live audio stream)
> 
> If you get the chance, tune in, and if you're in the area, come say hi at
> the show!
> Jon



wow jon -just got done listening to the show & whhheeeewwwwwwwwwww
so cool to hear some great looping stuff on the radio(over the net)
andres dueling guitar-ricks dayglo, cara quinns guitar and yer rhythms all
came over the waves bright and clear-goodonya
so sad i cant make that show but hope to catch up w/ one of um-
goinloopee
stan

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Thanks Hans and Andre,
I got there from yahoo search under "Bill Walker and looping" and it
wouldn't show anything 2003 from there, even when going under "artists".
Well, All is well now anyways thanks to you for this link and see you there!

Glenn

on 1/20/03 10:19 PM, Andre LaFosse at altruist@earthlink.net wrote:

> glenn wrote:
> 
>> just realized even the year is wrong on the site!
> 
> You're actually looking at the "Artist Archive" for the Vault - a
> listing of gigs a year ago!
> 
> Here's the current schedule:
> 
> http://www.cayugavault.com/events/index.html
> 
> with the January 25th gig still very much on.
> 
> Hope you can make it, Glenn.
> 
> --Andre
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi guys and gals, sorry if this was gone over already, but on the Cayuga
>> Vault's page there is no mention of a gig on this day, then it lists one
>> that was on the 13th which i was unable to attend.
>> 
>> http://www.cayugavault.com/artists/2002jan.html#loopfest
>> 
>> Q: is the gig on january 25th still on? I need a fix, will more than likely
>> be rolling coins for gas so want to make sure it's on:)
>> 
>> thanks,
>> glenn
> 

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Hello,

What about using a Nord Micromodular as a guitar effects processor?

The Micromodular is a dedicated piece of hardware, and also has a modular
engine similar to Reakor (minus the Samplers)

It's basically a Synth with an Audio Input and being a dedicated piece of
hardware it does not suffer from that dreaded latency thing.

Also, they are way cheaper that $1000




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This looks neat anyway- not much info on their site to say the least-  may
be of interest to list members:

http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html

Cliff

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> Från: Clifford [mailto:om@om-studios.com] 
 
> 
> This looks neat anyway- not much info on their site to say 
> the least-  may be of interest to list members:
> 
> http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html
> 
> Cliff
> 

"Devine-machine", hmmm ;-)  Any one tried the demo? 

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  Try using a laptop with a multiple input soundcard running Audio =
mulch. I assume you have 6 separate outputs from your hexafuzz unit  =
since multi soundcards normally have 8 inputs you could run outputs from =
your pickups to the other 1 or 2. you could set up 6 north ple filters =
which have an encelope follow function fairly easily I imagine. Come to =
think of it you could set up 6 distortion plugins within Audio mulch! AM =
is asio compatible so there is negiable latency if you have a decent =
soundcard and a reasonably fast laptop. I use mine live and have never =
had a crash - yet. Audiomulch is very stable - it's designed for live =
use. You can even switch patches via midi program change commands now, =
as well as altering parameters via midi. Download the beta free, (north =
pole is also free) and give it a go!

  Gareth


  Is there any piece of hardware that uses a very flexible, computer =
based audio interface similar to reaktor that allows the user to create =
FX and synth engines comparable to reaktor and can be used with an =
integrated computer compatible mixer? (I dare someone to tell me to get =
a notebook) Some rules of what I want follow.

  1. Must work live, and well. No lag. No serious issues or hangups to =
ruin my day.

  2. My main use for it would be this: I would create a six channel =
distortion circuit, similar to the hexafuzz design made by someone on =
here (Sorry i don't know you all better. Whoever's design that is, =
kudos! It sounds BEAUTIFUL!), but with an ADSR and a second ADSR =
controlling a filter for each of the six signals, plus the option to =
control the filter by the first ADSR i.e. envelope filtering.

  3. Priced around a grand. (OK I lied, I will pay more, but I'd rather =
not pay much more.)

  If anyone has anything at all to say about this ridiculous inquiry, =
please do. Or just answer me this one question: Why the hell can't =
anyone design a decent guitar synth? (I dare someone to tell me to build =
my own) Peace on Earth and good will toward men. - Kirk


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Try using a laptop with a multiple =
input=20
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from your=20
  hexafuzz unit  since multi soundcards normally have 8 inputs you =
could=20
  run outputs from your pickups to the other 1 or 2. you could set up 6 =
north=20
  ple filters which have an encelope follow function fairly easily I =
imagine.=20
  Come to think of it you could set up 6 distortion plugins within Audio =
mulch!=20
  AM is asio compatible so there is negiable latency if you have a =
decent=20
  soundcard and a reasonably fast laptop. I use mine live and have never =
had a=20
  crash - yet. Audiomulch is very stable - it's designed for live use. =
You can=20
  even switch patches via midi program change commands now, as well as =
altering=20
  parameters via midi. Download the beta free, (north pole is also free) =
and=20
  give it a go!

  
 

  
Gareth

  


  
Is there any piece of hardware that uses a very flexible, computer =
based=20
  audio interface similar to reaktor that allows the user to create FX =
and synth=20
  engines comparable to reaktor and can be used with an integrated =
computer=20
  compatible mixer? (I dare someone to tell me to get a notebook) Some =
rules of=20
  what I want follow.

  
1. Must work live, and well. No lag. No serious issues or hangups =
to ruin=20
  my day.

  
2. My main use for it would be this: I would create a six channel=20
  distortion circuit, similar to the hexafuzz design made by someone on =
here=20
  (Sorry i don't know you all better. Whoever's design that is, kudos! =
It sounds=20
  BEAUTIFUL!), but with an ADSR and a second ADSR controlling =
a filter=20
  for each of the six signals, plus the option to control the filter =
by the=20
  first ADSR i.e. envelope filtering.

  
3. Priced around a grand. (OK I lied, I will pay more, but I'd =
rather not=20
  pay much more.)

  
If anyone has anything at all to say about this ridiculous =
inquiry,=20
  please do. Or just answer me this one question: Why the hell can't =
anyone=20
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own)=20
  Peace on Earth and good will toward men. - =
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The DL-4 expression pedal should be
"passive 10K ohm mono linear taper pot"
The Kurzweil pedal will work.
I don't know of any site or list for the DL-4, but if you find one post it!
It's pretty straightforward, perhaps there's not much need to share tips and
tricks. And, you can do it here.

astroblue wrote:

> So being perhaps the last person on earth to finally check out a dl4, I
> am now wondering about an expression pedal. Seems like a must, from what
> everyone says.
>
> On the off chance it might work, I plugged in my FV-50L, but although I
> hear some sweepy results when I move the pedal it doesn't seem to be
> right, both ends of the range have the same sound.
>
> So do I need the official EX1 pedal from Line6?  Other options?
>
> Also, I have started digging in the archives for all the current and
> past discussions, which is great, but is there by any chance a dl4 fan
> site with all the tips and tricks in one place, or perhaps some
> dedicated lists?
>
> thanks,
>
> BobC

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--- Matthias Grob  wrote:

> Its the biggest problem I have when playing with Giba: Even without 
> monitors, my guitar leaks a little into his mikes, so when I stop my 
> loop to build a new one onto his ongoing percussion groove, it still 
> goes on in his loop and I am not really free to do something totally 
> different.
> When will I have time to care for "electric percussion" instruments...?

Perhaps this could be resolved by adding piezo or ribbon type transducers to his
percussion items instead of using mics?

Greg

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At 11:50 PM -0800 1/20/03, Clifford wrote:
>This looks neat anyway- not much info on their site to say the least-  may
>be of interest to list members:
>
>http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html

I suppose the name is a reference to the Publison Infernal Machine. 
The programmer is French, so that makes sense.

I met one of the developers at NAMM and will visit him sometime for a 
live demo. This software is PC only, so I'm not a likely customer, 
but it could be of interest to some of you. There is a downloadable 
demo on their site.
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--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
> >I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to use as monitors 
> >for years.  I know a lot of big acts use them exclusively.  Anyone 
> >here using something like that?
> 
> that would be nice... I think in a few years, hardly anyone will 
> still use monitors on stage...

It's very possible with today's technology. You can get good quality wireless
monitor systems for under $1000, add a small mixer and you're ready to go. You do
need a pretty quiet rig though, 'cause noise with in-ear monitors is VERY
irritating.
 
> When I play with Giba, we use ordinary good big headphones and no monitors.
> It may look a bit odd, but, so what...

The usual complaint about using headphones on stage is that it isolates you from
your audience. 

Of course, some of us are lost in our own little worlds to start with... 

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wait wait wait...

i was trying to stop getting bill fox's emusic playlists...not get off =
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wait wait wait...


 


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>>The DL-4 expression pedal should be
"passive 10K ohm mono linear taper pot"
The Kurzweil pedal will work.<<

I declined to pay (through the nose) for the officially sanctioned line6 expression pedal and tried one of my own; nothing. 

I thought "how hard can this be?" and re-arranged the wires inside the stereo jack, reversing the tip and ring connections. this works, and means that you can use a regular $20 pedal instead of the $60 line6 job.

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[looper's] RE: pedal for DL4?




>>The DL-4 expression pedal should be

"passive 10K ohm mono linear taper pot"

The Kurzweil pedal will work.<<




I declined to pay (through the nose) for the officially s=
anctioned line6 expression pedal and tried one of my own; nothing. <=
/P>


I thought "how hard can this be?" and re-arrang=
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 $60 line6 job.



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i've been looking/researching some filter effects that i'd like to 
add to my setup, would love to get one of the electrix boxes (filter 
factory or filter queen -boy they sound nice on the demo on electrix 
website) but they seem to be going too high for my budget. does 
anyone have any experience with the alesis ineko table top effects 
box? just curious.
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--- astroblue  wrote:

> On the off chance it might work, I plugged in my FV-50L, but although I
> hear some sweepy results when I move the pedal it doesn't seem to be
> right, both ends of the range have the same sound.
> 
> So do I need the official EX1 pedal from Line6?  Other options?

I don't have one myself, but my friend uses a Roland EV-5 with his and it seems
to work just fine. It's not any cheaper then the Line6 pedal though, which is
about $50 at Musicians Friend.

Greg

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At 11:50 AM -0600 1/21/03, Scott Hansen wrote:
>love to get one of the electrix boxes (filter factory or filter 
>queen ...does anyone have any experience with the alesis ineko table 
>top effects box?

This isn't a direct answer to your Alesis question, but here's a new 
entry to the analog filter market: Waldorf AFB16.

http://www.waldorf-music.com/afb/

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The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and
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host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.

                    Show #15                    January 18, 2003.

PLAYLIST:

Phase I/Space:
ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Robert Rich and         First Outpost            Outpost (DiN)
  Ian Boddy
Robert Rich and         Ice Fields               Outpost (DiN)
  Ian Boddy
Andy Pickford and       Disinformatsiya Part 1   Ramayana (Neu Harmony)
Free System Projekt     Larissa                  Atmospheric Conditions
                                                   (Quantum)
Alpha Wave Movement     A Place of Peace         A Distant Signal (HRR)
Skin Mechanix           The Great Discovery      The Secret Life of Angels
                                                   (Infection Music)
Skin Mechanix           Glow                     The Secret Life of Angels
                                                   (Infection Music)

Phase II/Eclectic:
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======================= ======================== ==============================
Moodswings              Storm in a Cup           Horizontal (Water Music)
Terry Oldfield          Southern Shores          Turning Point (New Earth)
Tingstad and Rumbel     When You Wish Upon a     A Dream and a Wish (ENSO)
                          Star

Phase III/Progressive Rock:
ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
IZZ                     Believe                  I Move (Doone Records)
VA [Thinking Plague]    Rapture of the Deep *    Sampler (Cuneiform)
Wayne Lytle             Seventh Alloy            Animusic (Animusic)
Ricocher                Child Inside             Cathedral of Emotions (Red
                                                   Sea)
Genesis in the Cage     Fountain of Salmacis     Two Sides Live (none)
Steve Hackett           Los Endos                Watcher of the Skies
                                                   (Guardian)
Steve Hackett           Watcher of the Skies     The Tokyo Tapes (Original
                                                   Masters)

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on February 1.

Bill
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There have been some questions about the Boss RC-20 over the last few
weeks.  Here's a good review of this tidy, inexpensive unit.

http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_boss_rc_loop/index.htm



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In a message dated 1/21/03 12:30:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> and means that you can use a regular $20 pedal instead of the $60 line6 job.

my pedal for the zoom goes crazy in the middle of the throw, is this fixable 
(if so, what should i look for) or should i just get another pedal.....this 
one cost me about $50-60.....sugestions please.....thanks.....michael

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and means that you can use a regular $20 pedal instead of the $60 line6 job.




my pedal for the zoom goes crazy in the middle of the throw, is this fixable (if so, what should i look for) or should i just get another pedal.....this one cost me about $50-60.....sugestions please.....thanks.....michael

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> > KZSU 90.1fm  (Stanford, California)
>
> wow jon -just got done listening to the show & whhheeeewwwwwwwwwww
> so cool to hear some great looping stuff on the radio(over the net)

I was thrilled to spend about an hour on the radio cueing up looping tracks
and talking about looping and the show.  I guess it was fate, because when I
called the station to see if they wanted to list the show in their datebook
a few weeks back, a DJ answered who happened to be a looper!  Boomerang and
EH16sec user both!  He was so excited to hear about the show and really
wanted to have me on.  So somehow its a small world, and things just work
out.
Jon

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Hi,

Duncan - which brand pedal did you rewire?

Can someone confirm the standard for the pot in the
Roland EV-5 and the Proel (EV-5 clone) are they the
same?

I too would like to avoid buying a Line-6 pedal,
especially if I could use a Proel instead (nice
quality rather cheap).

Thanks,

Nick 
Chicago, USA


--- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
> >>The DL-4 expression pedal should be
> "passive 10K ohm mono linear taper pot"
> The Kurzweil pedal will work.<<
> 
> I declined to pay (through the nose) for the
> officially sanctioned line6 expression pedal and
> tried one of my own; nothing. 
> 
> I thought "how hard can this be?" and re-arranged
> the wires inside the stereo jack, reversing the tip
> and ring connections. this works, and means that you
> can use a regular $20 pedal instead of the $60 line6
> job.
> 
> duncan/r.m.i.
> 
> 
> 

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did you record the show, jon?
not seeing an archive on the site...

> ...
> I was thrilled to spend about an hour on the radio cueing up 
> ...

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Wearing big ol' headphones on stage can be a downer from the audience's
perspective.  I guess I need to grow my hair out!

Headphone.com offers an "earplug" style headphones that are very tiny
(wired).  The drawback is that it completely seals out exterior noise.
That's great for airline travel, but not so hot for playing w/ other
musicians.   

Patrick in Portland, OR. 

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--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
> >I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to use as monitors 
> >for years.  I know a lot of big acts use them exclusively.  Anyone 
> >here using something like that?
> 
> that would be nice... I think in a few years, hardly anyone will 
> still use monitors on stage...

It's very possible with today's technology. You can get good quality
wireless
monitor systems for under $1000, add a small mixer and you're ready to
go. You do
need a pretty quiet rig though, 'cause noise with in-ear monitors is
VERY
irritating.
 
> When I play with Giba, we use ordinary good big headphones and no
monitors.
> It may look a bit odd, but, so what...

The usual complaint about using headphones on stage is that it isolates
you from
your audience. 

Of course, some of us are lost in our own little worlds to start with...


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Although the recent NAMM show was not full of revolutionary new 
products there was some indication that a trend is developing that 
may redefine the topography of our systems.

Several manufacturers announced products that consist of a hardware 
audio processing component and a software programming and performance 
interface. Some of these are fully digital (CreamWare Noah and Roland 
VariOS) and at least one was largely analog (Waldorf AFB16). There is 
also a trend toward networking. Kurweil, Apogee, and Presonus all 
have products that incorporate mLAN; Digidesign, Mark of the Unicorn, 
and Metric Halo have Firewire audio interfaces. Steinberg has VST 
System Link, which allows a group of networked computers to function 
as a cohesive system. Akai has ak.Sys Control to network their 
equipment and to allow a computer running VST plug-ins to function as 
a piece of outboard gear.

I don't expect all these developments to congeal into one single 
methodology and topology, but it seems clear that many manufacturers 
realize that while most of their customers are using computers, the 
CPU resources are either inadequate or inappropriate to run all of 
the virtual instruments and effects plug-ins their customers want. 
Although today's computers are increasingly more powerful, and 
although DSP cards can be added to systems, it still represents a 
performance bottleneck. How many slots do you have in your computer?

The matter of "appropriate" hardware is also significant. As Dave 
Smith's Evolver demonstrates, analog circuits can do things some 
things better than digital (and vice versa) so combining the two 
makes good sonic, economic, and technical sense. Analog filters are 
much sought after and hard to reproduce convincingly with DSP, so why 
not use analog circuits as Waldorf has done with the AFB16?

I'll be interested to see if this trend continues, and if some degree 
of standardization develops.
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there's one point we forgot to discuss ... an inear feedback mostly is 
followed by a tinitus!
nobody of the manufacture tell us 'bout that, but i know several 
singers, who got a tinitus from inear-monitoring.
and a feedback (mic, acc. git, whatever) while soundcheck is not sooo 
rare ...

//rj

Patrick Bolan wrote:

>Wearing big ol' headphones on stage can be a downer from the audience's
>perspective.  I guess I need to grow my hair out!
>
>Headphone.com offers an "earplug" style headphones that are very tiny
>(wired).  The drawback is that it completely seals out exterior noise.
>That's great for airline travel, but not so hot for playing w/ other
>musicians.   
>
>Patrick in Portland, OR. 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:49 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>
>--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
>
>>>I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to use as monitors 
>>>for years.  I know a lot of big acts use them exclusively.  Anyone 
>>>here using something like that?
>>>
>>that would be nice... I think in a few years, hardly anyone will 
>>still use monitors on stage...
>>
>
>It's very possible with today's technology. You can get good quality
>wireless
>monitor systems for under $1000, add a small mixer and you're ready to
>go. You do
>need a pretty quiet rig though, 'cause noise with in-ear monitors is
>VERY
>irritating.
> 
>
>>When I play with Giba, we use ordinary good big headphones and no
>>
>monitors.
>
>>It may look a bit odd, but, so what...
>>
>
>The usual complaint about using headphones on stage is that it isolates
>you from
>your audience. 
>
>Of course, some of us are lost in our own little worlds to start with...
>
>
>Greg
>
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there's one point we forgot to discuss ... an inear feedback mostly is followed
by a tinitus!

 nobody of the manufacture tell us 'bout that, but i know several singers,
who got a tinitus from inear-monitoring.

and a feedback (mic, acc. git, whatever) while soundcheck is not sooo rare
...



 //rj



Patrick Bolan wrote:



  
Wearing big ol' headphones on stage can be a downer from the audience's
perspective.  I guess I need to grow my hair out!

Headphone.com offers an "earplug" style headphones that are very tiny
(wired).  The drawback is that it completely seals out exterior noise.
That's great for airline travel, but not so hot for playing w/ other
musicians.   

Patrick in Portland, OR. 

-----Original Message-----
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--- Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> wrote:

  

    

      
I've been dreaming of a earbud/headphone system to use as monitors 
for years.  I know a lot of big acts use them exclusively.  Anyone 
here using something like that?

      

      
that would be nice... I think in a few years, hardly anyone will 
still use monitors on stage...

      

      

It's very possible with today's technology. You can get good quality
wireless
monitor systems for under $1000, add a small mixer and you're ready to
go. You do
need a pretty quiet rig though, 'cause noise with in-ear monitors is
VERY
irritating.
 

      

        
When I play with Giba, we use ordinary good big headphones and no

        

        
monitors.

        

          
It may look a bit odd, but, so what...

          

          

The usual complaint about using headphones on stage is that it isolates
you from
your audience. 

Of course, some of us are lost in our own little worlds to start with...


Greg

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> did you record the show, jon?
> not seeing an archive on the site...

yes, but I don't think I'll be able to make it available online or anything.
-Jon

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what would you all recommend to use as an in-ear-monitor system that works
well yet costs little?

thanks
jimmy george
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great radio show - 9-10 pm. wild performance studio effects spontaneously
live. It makes the listener pay attention or space out or enjoy what they
were going to do anyway.

Alex

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> > > KZSU 90.1fm  (Stanford, California)
> >
> > wow jon -just got done listening to the show & whhheeeewwwwwwwwwww
> > so cool to hear some great looping stuff on the radio(over the net)
>
> I was thrilled to spend about an hour on the radio cueing up looping
tracks
> and talking about looping and the show.  I guess it was fate, because when
I
> called the station to see if they wanted to list the show in their
datebook
> a few weeks back, a DJ answered who happened to be a looper!  Boomerang
and
> EH16sec user both!  He was so excited to hear about the show and really
> wanted to have me on.  So somehow its a small world, and things just work
> out.
> Jon
>

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> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] 

// snip //
> Although today's computers are increasingly more powerful, and 
> although DSP cards can be added to systems, it still represents a 
> performance bottleneck. How many slots do you have in your computer?
// snip //


I would file Emagic's trick with Logic 6.0 under this trend as well.
Whatever CPU intensive plug-ins you slap over a sequencer track it won't
hog your machine down much if you "freeze" the track. That means the
machine will render, in the background, all digital real-time processes
as a temporary audio file. 

Best wishes

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> Several manufacturers announced products that consist of a hardware
> audio processing component and a software programming and performance
> interface.
> . . .

Quite interesting, Richard!

The HW/SW approach you describe is exactly the approach used by Symbolic
Sound with Kyma and (to a lesser extent) Eventide with their Orville.  I
only say "lesser extent" with the Orville since a computer is not required
(unlike the Kyma system).  Other manufacturers have used it as well, of
course.

In the past, this HW/SW approach has been deprecated by some in the industry
and certainly on the 'net.  The prediction was that with newer, faster,
bigger computers on your desktop or in your lap, you would not need
specialized hardware.

However, writing robust, real-time code is difficult.  Trying to write it
for a variety of OS's and platforms makes it even harder.  It's far easier
to split the task and write a "universal" user interface that operates
nearly the same on any computer and off-load the heavy-duty, time-critical
processing to a box with a OS that you have control over.

Another benefit is that the specialized HW acts as "copy protection."  The
software is basically useless without the manufacturer's HW box.  This helps
preserve the manufacturer's investment in product development and encourages
more development.

Dennis Leas
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I've been wondering if manufacturers would move more towards "real" networking, ie: Ethernet.  With Gigabit ethernet hardware chips coming down in price, giving bandwidth to spare, I'm wondering why manufacturers haven't moved in that direction.

    KEvin

>There is 
>also a trend toward networking. Kurweil, Apogee, and Presonus all 
>have products that incorporate mLAN; Digidesign, Mark of the Unicorn, 
>and Metric Halo have Firewire audio interfaces. Steinberg has VST 
>System Link, which allows a group of networked computers to function 
>as a cohesive system. Akai has ak.Sys Control to network their 
>equipment and to allow a computer running VST plug-ins to function as 
>a piece of outboard gear.
>


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>Makes sense- I have a new Slidemate controller that is sending loads of NRPN
>data on a different channel- but I guess the EDP doesen't want it anyway-

yes, it does not matter whether the data is for the EDP or on some 
other channel. Since the processor is heavily ocupied with sound, we 
unfortunately cannot do the piping in "real-time" so a long compact 
string overloads the input buffer at some point.
The buffer is 4k big and I could have made it bigger - which would 
not really solve the problem...

>I'll have to reconfigure my midi routing.

this will solve the problem. Sorry for that.
Matthias

>Thanks-
>
>Cliff
>
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>
>
>>  >I can't seem to locate info on what this message means on my Loop IV EDP-
>>  >"Nid"
>>  >
>>  >Anyone know?
>>  >
>>  >Cliff
>>
>>  probably its Midi (hard to show on 7 seg display)
>>  It happens when there is an overload of the MIDI input buffer,
>>  usually caused by some MIDI feedback or some equipment that sends
>>  thousands of Off commands at starting up or panic.
>>  does that make sense, or did you have some other problem?
>>  --
>>
>>
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>>
>>


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At 2:49 PM -0500 1/21/03, Dennis Leas wrote:

>The HW/SW approach you describe is exactly the approach used by Symbolic
>Sound with Kyma

Symbolic Sound has always been at the forefront, rising as they did 
from the ranks of the first generation to make a formal study of 
computer music and to put it into a practical single-user system.


>(to a lesser extent) Eventide with their Orville.

The modular programming language in Orville was first used in the 
DSP4000. It was based the Patch Factory and mod factory features 
designed by Ken Bogdanowicz for the H3000. Ken's company Wave 
Mechanics will soon release a set of plug-in called Sound Toys. These 
are very accessible effects processors such as a dynamic filter, 
flanger, etc, but they are designed with a systems approach that 
allows them to access a common function library. I've had 
conversations for several years with Ken about DSP cards and outboard 
processing modules, and I credit some of my observations to him.


>The prediction was that with newer, faster, bigger computers on your 
>desktop or in your lap, you would not need specialized hardware.

That's still true in principal, but how often does the average person 
really upgrade his/her computer?


>Another benefit is that the specialized HW acts as "copy protection."  The
>software is basically useless without the manufacturer's HW box.

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> I've been wondering if manufacturers would move more towards "real"
networking, ie: Ethernet.  With Gigabit ethernet hardware chips coming down
in price, giving bandwidth to spare, I'm wondering why manufacturers haven't
moved in that direction.
>

Me too. ethernet seems so obvious - its been around for a long time and its
not going anywhere anytime soon, and bandwidth is not a problem at all.  I
wonder, is there a problem with variable (unpredictable) latency of ethernet
used for with audio stuff?
Jon

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--- realjesus  wrote:
> there's one point we forgot to discuss ... an inear feedback mostly is 
> followed by a tinitus!
> nobody of the manufacture tell us 'bout that, but i know several 
> singers, who got a tinitus from inear-monitoring.
> and a feedback (mic, acc. git, whatever) while soundcheck is not sooo 
> rare ...

This is precisely why you don't want one of the "budget" in-ear setups...unless
you can afford to also buy a really fast brick wall limiter to prevent hearing
damage from unexpected signals. Unfortunately, by the time you buy this vital
piece of kit, you've increased the cost of your "budget" setup way beyond the
"budget" category. 

The least expensive in-ear system that I know of which incorportates a limiter is
the Shure. I've used it and it sounded ok, but I don't remember it ever hitting
the limiter, but I've read that it's effective. I don't want to risk it. 

Greg

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check that out it woorks
Midi over lan

http://www.musiclab.com/products/rpl_info.htm

Claude





> > I've been wondering if manufacturers would move more towards "real"
> networking, ie: Ethernet.  With Gigabit ethernet hardware chips coming
down
> in price, giving bandwidth to spare, I'm wondering why manufacturers
haven't
> moved in that direction.
> >
>
> Me too. ethernet seems so obvious - its been around for a long time
and its
> not going anywhere anytime soon, and bandwidth is not a problem at
all.  I
> wonder, is there a problem with variable (unpredictable) latency of
ethernet
> used for with audio stuff?
> Jon
>
>

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About 10 years ago, someone (Dr. Z would know ;-) was designing an
electronic music protocol called ZIPI that could run over industry standard
network protocols like TCP/IP (maybe only TCP/IP? can't remember).  It
totally abandoned the keyboard-centric MIDI model of serial data "remote
control" messages with a more open ended and 'musical' message hierarchy.  I
think development has been largely abondoned but it appears that some of the
same developers are working on a new idea called Open Sound Control
Protocol:
http://cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu/ZIPI/
http://cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu/OpenSoundControl/

Implementing this protocol would require manufacturers to broadly accept
this as a standard and essentially abondon MIDI altogether, if I'm not
mistaken.  Seems unlikely given the immense investment everyone's already
put into MIDI.  mLAN is essentially an attempt to get around some
limitations with MIDI without asking everyone and their mother to toss MIDI
out the window.  Alas, I wish we would. ;-)

Mike

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> I've been wondering if manufacturers would move more towards "real"
networking, ie: Ethernet.  With Gigabit ethernet hardware chips coming down
in price, giving bandwidth to spare, I'm wondering why manufacturers haven't
moved in that direction.
>

Me too. ethernet seems so obvious - its been around for a long time and its
not going anywhere anytime soon, and bandwidth is not a problem at all.  I
wonder, is there a problem with variable (unpredictable) latency of ethernet
used for with audio stuff?
Jon

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Cool! Too bad manufacturers aren't running to put ethernet ports in their
devices yet, but USB could be a better way around this anyway, and the
HEINOUS (ahem) bandwidth and buffer limits of the MIDI hardware spec.

Mike

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check that out it woorks
Midi over lan

http://www.musiclab.com/products/rpl_info.htm

Claude





> > I've been wondering if manufacturers would move more towards "real"
> networking, ie: Ethernet.  With Gigabit ethernet hardware chips coming
down
> in price, giving bandwidth to spare, I'm wondering why manufacturers
haven't
> moved in that direction.
> >
>
> Me too. ethernet seems so obvious - its been around for a long time
and its
> not going anywhere anytime soon, and bandwidth is not a problem at
all.  I
> wonder, is there a problem with variable (unpredictable) latency of
ethernet
> used for with audio stuff?
> Jon
>
>

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At 12:28 PM -0800 1/21/03, Jon Wagner wrote:

>ethernet seems so obvious - its been around for a long time and its
>not going anywhere anytime soon, and bandwidth is not a problem at all.  I
>wonder, is there a problem with variable (unpredictable) latency of ethernet
>used for with audio stuff?

There are latency problems with at least some Ethernet 
implementations. CobraNet introduces a 5.33 mS delay (256 samples at 
48kHz), for instance. Yamaha claims under 1 mS for mLAN.
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>Me too. ethernet seems so obvious - its been around for a long time and its
>not going anywhere anytime soon, and bandwidth is not a problem at all.  I
>wonder, is there a problem with variable (unpredictable) latency of ethernet
>used for with audio stuff?
>Jon
>
Yeah, Latency is definitely an issue with ethernet, but with the new higher ethernet speeds, I bet it wouldn't be as much an issue inside a dedicated LAN (I wouldn't put your synth on the same hub as your DSL however :) )

   Kevin


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>Cool! Too bad manufacturers aren't running to put ethernet ports in their
>devices yet, but USB could be a better way around this anyway, and the
>HEINOUS (ahem) bandwidth and buffer limits of the MIDI hardware spec.
>
USB definitely gets around some of the latency, and USB 2.0 can deal with the bandwidth, but both USB and Firewire are still working off more of the idea of a chain type mentality (I'm sure there are ways around it).  You also can't share devices between two computers as you could with Ethernet.  Plus, I'm not sure if devices on a firewire or USB chain can address each other directly or if they have to go through the controller (computer).

One last reason why ethernet is better: WIRELESS!

    Kevin


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At 12:28 PM 1/21/2003, Jon Wagner wrote:
> > I've been wondering if manufacturers would move more towards "real"
>networking, ie: Ethernet.  With Gigabit ethernet hardware chips coming down
>in price, giving bandwidth to spare, I'm wondering why manufacturers haven't
>moved in that direction.
> >
>
>Me too. ethernet seems so obvious - its been around for a long time and its
>not going anywhere anytime soon, and bandwidth is not a problem at all.  I
>wonder, is there a problem with variable (unpredictable) latency of ethernet
>used for with audio stuff?

Ethernet is a horrible choice for networking realtime audio and other 
multimedia data for exactly the reason you suspect. The latencies can be 
quite large and unpredictable. Ethernet arbitrates the network at the 
hardware level with collision detection mechanisms and random back-off 
times, which means there is no way to guarantee a specific time when your 
message will arrive. TCP/IP at the higher layers makes this worse. The 
whole network is designed with the goal of getting the data there reliably 
and intact, not getting it there at a guaranteed time. You have to do a lot 
of buffering to overcome this, which makes real-time usage a major problem.

It is even worse for control data streams like MIDI. Can you imagine trying 
to play drums where the sounds you trigger are shifting variably by +/-50ms 
or more? Even shifting by 10ms would make it impossible to play a groove 
with a laid back feel vs on top of the beat. For that type of application a 
network that guarantees latency is even more critical.

(Long ago I worked on the zipi project, where we sought to solve this 
issue. we developed a token passing network similar to the type of thing 
used for "mission critical" control applications like factory automation 
and space launches. A good idea, but too much of a niche to get the 
momentum for it to survive.)

For these reasons, Ethernet was long ago discarded by the AES as an option 
for digital audio networks. 1394 (now called by apple's name Firewire) was 
designed from the beginning to handle media and control data streams, and 
is a much better choice. This is why you see all the audio companies 
adopting it (finally), and why camcorders and other video devices use it as 
well. Unlike something like zipi, it has wide enough usage and backing to 
really survive.

kim


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Thanks for really spelling it out Kim.  It's good to have better info on the whole problem.

   Kevin

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At 01:04 PM 1/21/2003, Kevin Goldsmith wrote:
> >Cool! Too bad manufacturers aren't running to put ethernet ports in their
> >devices yet, but USB could be a better way around this anyway, and the
> >HEINOUS (ahem) bandwidth and buffer limits of the MIDI hardware spec.
> >
>USB definitely gets around some of the latency, and USB 2.0 can deal with 
>the bandwidth, but both USB and Firewire are still working off more of the 
>idea of a chain type mentality (I'm sure there are ways around it).  You 
>also can't share devices between two computers as you could with 
>Ethernet.  Plus, I'm not sure if devices on a firewire or USB chain can 
>address each other directly or if they have to go through the controller 
>(computer).

that is true for USB, but not Firewire. this is why USB was discarded as a 
choice for audio networking. One requirement needed was peer-to-peer 
operation, where any device on the network can directly communicate with 
any other device. Firewire works this way, like Ethernet. USB is not 
peer-to-peer, and requires a central device to manage the network (usually 
a PC).

This is a cost issue. With a peer-to-peer network like ethernet or firewire 
you greatly increase the complexity of each device on the network, since 
they all have to manage a lot more themselves. This increases the cost of 
those devices in terms of components, cpu cycles, memory, etc. It is 
totally inappropriate for something simple and cheap, like a mouse. The 
goal of USB was to create a cheap, fast way to add peripherals to a 
computer, and it was critical to keep the cost of the peripherals as low as 
possible. This meant centralizing the complexity in one device (the PC) so 
all the peripherals could remain simple and cheap.

(Since I spent quite a few years developing hardware in the PC industry, I 
also came to discover that this trend of centralization in the PC is 
Intel's usual goal in introducing new industry standards. They benefit if 
the central CPU needs to be faster and more powerful, so they always seek 
to centralize complexity there. That is the more cynical interpretation of 
the reason for USB 2.0's existence. There are numerous other examples of 
this, like AC-97 for audio on the motherboard. Interestingly, Microsoft 
tends to push the other way, and was long a proponent of firewire and 
rather cool towards USB 2.0.)

>One last reason why ethernet is better: WIRELESS!

I believe there has been movement towards wireless firewire, but I don't 
think it is commercialized yet. The basic wireless technology is all there, 
so I imagine it wouldn't be that hard to run firewire over it but I've 
never looked into it. A wireless studio would obviously be a great innovation!

kim


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At 12:56 PM 1/21/2003, Kevin Goldsmith wrote:
> >Me too. ethernet seems so obvious - its been around for a long time and its
> >not going anywhere anytime soon, and bandwidth is not a problem at all.  I
> >wonder, is there a problem with variable (unpredictable) latency of ethernet
> >used for with audio stuff?
> >Jon
> >
>Yeah, Latency is definitely an issue with ethernet, but with the new 
>higher ethernet speeds, I bet it wouldn't be as much an issue inside a 
>dedicated LAN (I wouldn't put your synth on the same hub as your DSL 
>however :) )

running the network faster will make the latency problem less obvious for 
the same quantity of data running over it. But it fundamentally doesn't fix 
the problem. As you increase the load on the network, the latency problem 
comes back. And we've probably all noticed how any available memory, 
bandwidth, cpu cycles, etc finds a way to get filled!

kim



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Agreed. It's as much about the consistency of the latency as the latency 
itself, same too goes for things such as USB which was initially designed for 
numbers low bandwidth data peripherals to be attached without regard to when 
that data will actually get to it's destination.

In a message dated 21/01/2003 21:56:11 GMT Standard Time, 
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> running the network faster will make the latency problem less obvious for 
> the same quantity of data running over it. But it fundamentally doesn't fix 
> 
> the problem. As you increase the load on the network, the latency problem 
> comes back. And we've probably all noticed how any available memory, 
> bandwidth, cpu cycles, etc finds a way to get filled!
> 


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Agreed. It's as much about the consistency of the latency as the latency itself, same too goes for things such as USB which was initially designed for numbers low bandwidth data peripherals to be attached without regard to when that data will actually get to it's destination.



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running the network faster will make the latency problem less obvious for 

the same quantity of data running over it. But it fundamentally doesn't fix 

the problem. As you increase the load on the network, the latency problem 

comes back. And we've probably all noticed how any available memory, 

bandwidth, cpu cycles, etc finds a way to get filled!







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yes, the shure limits at 96db peak ... quite effective.
and has a great sound ...
i think my/your ears are too precious -> better an akai headrush & a 
shure in-ear than an echoplex, a "budget" in-ear and a tinitus ... ;-)))

protect your ears, jesús

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>
>>there's one point we forgot to discuss ... an inear feedback mostly is 
>>followed by a tinitus!
>>nobody of the manufacture tell us 'bout that, but i know several 
>>singers, who got a tinitus from inear-monitoring.
>>and a feedback (mic, acc. git, whatever) while soundcheck is not sooo 
>>rare ...
>>
>
>This is precisely why you don't want one of the "budget" in-ear setups...unless
>you can afford to also buy a really fast brick wall limiter to prevent hearing
>damage from unexpected signals. Unfortunately, by the time you buy this vital
>piece of kit, you've increased the cost of your "budget" setup way beyond the
>"budget" category. 
>
>The least expensive in-ear system that I know of which incorportates a limiter is
>the Shure. I've used it and it sounded ok, but I don't remember it ever hitting
>the limiter, but I've read that it's effective. I don't want to risk it. 
>
>Greg
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yes, the shure limits at 96db peak ... quite effective.

and has a great sound ...

i think my/your ears are too precious -> better an akai headrush &
a shure in-ear than an echoplex, a "budget" in-ear and a tinitus ... ;-)))



protect your ears, jesús



Greg House wrote:



  
--- realjesus <realjesus@colectivo.ch> wrote:

  

    
there's one point we forgot to discuss ... an inear feedback mostly is 
followed by a tinitus!
nobody of the manufacture tell us 'bout that, but i know several 
singers, who got a tinitus from inear-monitoring.
and a feedback (mic, acc. git, whatever) while soundcheck is not sooo 
rare ...

    

    

This is precisely why you don't want one of the "budget" in-ear setups...unless
you can afford to also buy a really fast brick wall limiter to prevent hearing
damage from unexpected signals. Unfortunately, by the time you buy this vital
piece of kit, you've increased the cost of your "budget" setup way beyond the
"budget" category. 

The least expensive in-ear system that I know of which incorportates a limiter is
the Shure. I've used it and it sounded ok, but I don't remember it ever hitting
the limiter, but I've read that it's effective. I don't want to risk it. 

Greg

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I tried out the westone music products at the NAMM show...

I actually had the opportunity to perform at their booth

Very cool stuff!

www.westone.com/music

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the line 6 pedal is a piece of junk. it works fine but it is not well made at 
all. if you can use a cheaper one, you definitely should! i am sorry i was a 
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the line 6 pedal is a piece of junk. it works fine but it is not well made at all. if you can use a cheaper one, you definitely should! i am sorry i was a baby and didn't try to rig something up myself.  =-) PJ

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Here was my solution- I used a Midisolutions Router which I use to send =
clock to bandmate's Repeater (I programmed the router to filter =
start/stop commands on 1 of the 2 outputs) and set both outputs on the =
router to only pass midi clock and filter all other messages. Works =
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icing on the cake.

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My guess is you'd be better off with a Korg Kaoss pad for overall fun.

Mark Sottilaro

Scott Hansen wrote:

> i've been looking/researching some filter effects that i'd like to
> add to my setup, would love to get one of the electrix boxes (filter
> factory or filter queen -boy they sound nice on the demo on electrix
> website) but they seem to be going too high for my budget. does
> anyone have any experience with the alesis ineko table top effects
> box? just curious.
> s---
> --

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Hi there,

In a message dated 1/21/03 4:14:23 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:

>My guess is you'd be better off with a Korg Kaoss pad for overall fun.

I know this thing is really old news but I have to agree with Mark
on this one. At NAMM I spent about 45 minutes playing with the 
new 2.0 version of the Kaoss Pad and MAN what an improvement 
over the original. It was some of the most fun I had at the show.
I had played a bit with the original a few years back and was pretty
unimpressed. YOW! The new one is really a trip.

Cheers,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

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At 7:23 PM -0500 1/21/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

>I had played a bit with the original a few years back and was pretty
>unimpressed. YOW! The new one is really a trip.

How new is this one?  I thought there was a newer model out last year sometime.
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thanks for the tip. im in communications with them. they're in Colorado
springs and i'm in Denver.

peace
jimmy
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> I tried out the westone music products at the NAMM show...
>
> I actually had the opportunity to perform at their booth
>
> Very cool stuff!
>
> www.westone.com/music
>
>

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  Hey All, -since I too, will be in  the bay area this coming week, (thurs
Jan 23 - Thurs Jan 30)  I'd like to also make myself available for anyone
who might like guitar lessons in the area during that time.  This could be
anything from straight guitar  technique and practice to music theory and
looping ideas.  If anyone is interested, please feel free to e-mail me
off-list  K?   -Hope yer' all having a wonderful day, and hope to see ya at
one or more of the upcoming shows...   

Smiles,

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this one just came out like in Dec.. or so but they've been talking 
about it for a long time.

Mark Sottilaro

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>> I had played a bit with the original a few years back and was pretty
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We actually spent a lot of the day missing loopers trying to find a 
different place to stay.  (with some car race going on there were no 
empty places near that weekend)  The Brookdale Lodge is a dive and I 
wouldn't recommend it to anyone.  Spend a few extra and find a nice 
place.

Mark Sottilaro

On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 07:14 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:

> Not far from the haunted Brookdale Lodge!
> http://www.brookdalelodge.com/
> Mark Sottilaro stayed there--so did we--
> It's not real clean but the restaurant was worth the price of 
> admission.
> Best to all on tour--on with the loop!
> Gary
>
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>
> 6) Wednesday, January 29 - Ben Lomond
> Henflings Firehouse Tavern | 9450 Highway 9 | 8:00 PM
>
> The last show of the tour, and - like the first one here in Hollywood -
> we'll be joined by Michael Manring for various solo, duo, trio, and
> quartet performances.
>

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God that interface!  MY EYES, THEY BURN!  Makes me want to look at an 
EDP for it's soothing beigeness.

Mark Sottilaro

On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 11:50 PM, Clifford wrote:

> This looks neat anyway- not much info on their site to say the least-  
> may
> be of interest to list members:
>
> http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html
>
> Cliff
>

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i sold my lexicon to a person in italy.  fedex and ups are ridiculously
expensive (both around 200 bucks) and usps is anywhere from 42 bucks to 160.
is this a no-brainer or is there something i should know about usps.

anybody sent stuff to italy (or internationally in general)before and have
some suggestions?

-jim


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try airborne express...  sometimes they're cheaper.  and i've had things go
back and forth to italy with no problem...  like, on time, I mean.

you could also try postal service global express.

todd

On 1/21/03 5:41 PM, "jimfowler"  wrote:

> i sold my lexicon to a person in italy.  fedex and ups are ridiculously
> expensive (both around 200 bucks) and usps is anywhere from 42 bucks to 160.
> is this a no-brainer or is there something i should know about usps.
> 
> anybody sent stuff to italy (or internationally in general)before and have
> some suggestions?
> 
> -jim
> 
> 

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Sorry about that reply thing Chris ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Muir [mailto:cbm@well.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:08 AM
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At 3:39 PM -0500 1/21/03, Michael LaMeyer wrote:
[re: ZIPI and OSCP]
>Implementing this protocol would require manufacturers to broadly accept
>this as a standard and essentially abondon MIDI altogether, if I'm not
>mistaken.  Seems unlikely given the immense investment everyone's already
>put into MIDI.  mLAN is essentially an attempt to get around some
>limitations with MIDI without asking everyone and their mother to toss MIDI
>out the window.  Alas, I wish we would. ;-)

Much of the discussion regarding MIDI gets muddied because no distinction is
made between transport layer issues (e.g. MIDI is slow) and the music
description language (e.g. MIDI's note on message locks together three
parameters that should be separate: time, pitch and loudness). For example,
in the MMA (MIDI Manufacturers Association) there is a Transport Layer
Working Group, that deals with sending MIDI messages over other transports
(e.g. USB, Ethernet, Firewire).

While transport layer problems do need addressing, the hard problem is in
addressing the deficiencies of MIDIs music description.

At the time of ZIPI's introduction the MMA's response to ZIPI was something
along the lines of "How do we deal with the ZIPI threat?". At this point in
time I feel that the MMA is mature enough to embrace any serious effort to
improve it.

There is a new effort underway, OpenMuse, to discuss and create solutions to
both these problems. I'm hoping that a community builds around OpenMuse. The
website is still pretty vacant, but more information is on its way


Chris

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At 02:41 PM 1/21/2003, jimfowler wrote:
>i sold my lexicon to a person in italy.  fedex and ups are ridiculously
>expensive (both around 200 bucks) and usps is anywhere from 42 bucks to 160.
>is this a no-brainer or is there something i should know about usps.
>
>anybody sent stuff to italy (or internationally in general)before and have
>some suggestions?

I use US postal service to send things internationally all the time 
(including Italy). I think it works great. Things get there fast and I've 
never had anything lost so far. It also seems to be very smooth in getting 
through customs, I assume due to long established treaties forging the 
links between various government's postal operations. I've seen major 
problems with shipments with UPS getting stuck in customs forever, but that 
was a long time ago so maybe they've figured it out now. I don't really 
care since the good old postal service is cheaper and works fine.

kim


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
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The KAOSS PAD'S ROCK -- OLD AND NEW VERSIONS WIPE THE ASS OF MOST MORE
EXPENSIVE DEVICES.
THE UNIQUE INTERFACE OPENS A DOOR TO MANY NEW CAPABILITIES.

BUT PLEASE DON'T GET ONE.  THEY ARE MY SECRET.

:-)


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> Hi there,
>
> In a message dated 1/21/03 4:14:23 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:
>
> >My guess is you'd be better off with a Korg Kaoss pad for overall fun.
>
> I know this thing is really old news but I have to agree with Mark
> on this one. At NAMM I spent about 45 minutes playing with the
> new 2.0 version of the Kaoss Pad and MAN what an improvement
> over the original. It was some of the most fun I had at the show.
> I had played a bit with the original a few years back and was pretty
> unimpressed. YOW! The new one is really a trip.
>
> Cheers,
>
> tEd ® kiLLiAn
>
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake
>
>

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Not that it really matters much, but the new KAOSS PAD came out back in June
or July - I've had mine since around then.

----- Original Message -----
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> this one just came out like in Dec.. or so but they've been talking
> about it for a long time.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>
> > At 7:23 PM -0500 1/21/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> I had played a bit with the original a few years back and was pretty
> >> unimpressed. YOW! The new one is really a trip.
> >
> > How new is this one?  I thought there was a newer model out last year
> > sometime.
> > --
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Richard Zvonar, PhD
> > (818) 788-2202
> > http://www.zvonar.com
> > http://RZCybernetics.com
> >
>
>

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Really?  The guy who DJ's with us pre ordered one and it seemed the 
ship date kept getting pushed back.  I know they weren't in any stores 
I saw until much later.  Are you sure you have the new one?  Does it 
have a metal chassis?  My wife got me one for Christmas (the pagan 
kind!), and it seemed as if they'd just come out.

Anyway, they do rock, but they are no secret.  I just played one of 
Matt's shows (yes, I to am in Big City Orchestra) and we were pretty 
much armed with a few tidbits and 4 KAOSS pads.  If they were small 
enough I'd velcro one to my guitar!

Mark Sottilaro

On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 09:38 PM, David wrote:

> Not that it really matters much, but the new KAOSS PAD came out back 
> in June
> or July - I've had mine since around then.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Sottilaro" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad (was ot: filter effects/alesis ineko?)
>
>
>> this one just came out like in Dec.. or so but they've been talking
>> about it for a long time.
>>
>> Mark Sottilaro
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>>
>>> At 7:23 PM -0500 1/21/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had played a bit with the original a few years back and was pretty
>>>> unimpressed. YOW! The new one is really a trip.
>>>
>>> How new is this one?  I thought there was a newer model out last year
>>> sometime.
>>> --
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Richard Zvonar, PhD
>>> (818) 788-2202
>>> http://www.zvonar.com
>>> http://RZCybernetics.com
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Hi guys,

I am really excited to announce that my brilliant (and beautiful) wife,
Chris Wedertz
has just finished designing my very first multiple page website and it is
officially
up and running at:

WWW.LOOPPOOL.INFO

There you can find MP3s, photos, bios, live music descriptions, track
listings from
my two CDs as well as live tour dates and updates and some of my favorite
links.

Please check it out if you are interested and thanks for putting up with my
Spam.
I'm just really stoked.   Chris knew nothing about website design and
designed it from
the ground up (including graphics) and it came out wonderfully.

I want to thank Dan Buckler for so graciously being my patron by hosting
me on his server with this site. I would not have been able to do it without
his kind generosity.

Loop on, folks.

a beaming,  Rick Walker




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I'm finally back to a computer after coming back from NAMM.

I feel very sheepish because I suggested the ANNUAL NAMM AD HOC
LOOPERS DELIGHT LUNCHEON and didn't attend.

As it turns out,  Electro Harmonix was not listed ANYWHERE in the NAMM
literature and I arrive in time to be unable to find out where it was.
I was so pissed off because it was going to be one of the highlights of my
NAMM show to see some of you folks.

I even went to the head office of NAMM and they had no listing.

PLEASE whoever suggests next years meeting place:   do some previous
research and make sure that it is listed somewhere in the NAMM guide!!!!!!

So...............that was a bummer, but NAMM was great.  I had a rockin'
good
time at Cycling 74's booth and got to meet a couple of musical heroes of
mine:

Kit Klayton (whose abstract electronic music I have really dug and been
influenced by
has also designed JITTER which is the awesome new Visual looping software
for
Max/MSP users.

JHNO another brilliant musicians who has designed one of the coolest looping
pieces of software that I have seen called RADIAL (thanks so much to the
incredibly talented
Jerry Basserman for giving such and informative demo of that program which,
I think has
convinced me to buy a MAC laptop for my next computer purchase.

check their stuff out at www.cycling74.com

and.....

Steve Duda----who has been designing electronics for Nine
Inch Nails and Rob Zombie and has a very hip new piece of looping software
called the
Devine-Machine.    I met Steve years ago when he was an intern at a
recording studio that
recorded at a lot.  I"m so impressed with how far he has come in the ensuing
years.
Check his shit out at www.devine-machine.com

then to top it all off we had an inspirational gig at Rocco's with the
incomparable
Michael Manring, Steve Lawson and Andre LaFosse..........i'm totally stoked
about the rest of the tour based on this first really creative and fun
outing.

take care all...............loop on..................yours, Rick Walker
(loop.pool)

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> > This looks neat anyway- not much info on their site to say 
> the least-
> > may
> > be of interest to list members:
> >
> > http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html
> >
> > Cliff
> >

FYI - I just discovered that the site has been massively updated! A bit
more info available now ;-)

Best wishes

Per Boysen
________________
www.boysen.se
www.looproom.com

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I got this form a looper who is not on the list... of interest?

>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:44:52 -0800
>From: Jack West/Ahead Behind Music 
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>LAST MINUTE REMIDER: CURVATURE THIS WED IN FAIRFAX
>
>WHAT: Jack West & Curvature in Concert
>
>WHO:   Jack West: 8-string acoustic guitar, slide
>                Joel Davel:  acoustic & electronic marimba
>                David Phillips: pedal steel
>                Peter Valsamis: drums
>
>WHEN:          Wed Jan 22 10:00pm-12:00 am
>WHERE:         19 Broadway, Fairfax
>INFO:              415-459-1091
>
>-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>Ahead Behind Music
>http://www.aheadbehind.com
>510-653-6362 tel/fax
>
>P.S. If you'd like to unsubscribe from this list, please reply with
>"UNSUBSCRIBE" in the subject. Sorry if we've been bugging you with our
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ok. so the bucket brigade chip is actually a true analog chip that was in
use in the 70s and 80s and now is in use in the moog analog delay.   would
these work?:
"SAD1024
1024 stage, capacitor "bucket brigade" audio frequency delay chip.
Discontinued, but Panasonic makes a full line of (apparently) equivalent
chips in various sizes and configurations. Three that may be suitable as
replacements are MN3007, MN3207, and MN3214. They are listed in the **
current ** DIGI-KEY catalog (199901..03) on page 187 at $9 to $18. The data
book is listed as part number 9102B at $3.50"
next question: does the EDP "read samples" like the repeater and if so why
does it not have a "pop" at the loop point of a looped sine.  does the line
6 "read samples" and is it's behavior more akin to the repeater or the EDP?
how prevalent is the repeater design architecture becoming in the
delay -loop market?

lance

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they are awesome indeed, when they work.  i burnt the audio inputs almost
immediately on my first one.   are the new ones a little more rugged?
----- Original Message -----
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> Really?  The guy who DJ's with us pre ordered one and it seemed the
> ship date kept getting pushed back.  I know they weren't in any stores
> I saw until much later.  Are you sure you have the new one?  Does it
> have a metal chassis?  My wife got me one for Christmas (the pagan
> kind!), and it seemed as if they'd just come out.
>
> Anyway, they do rock, but they are no secret.  I just played one of
> Matt's shows (yes, I to am in Big City Orchestra) and we were pretty
> much armed with a few tidbits and 4 KAOSS pads.  If they were small
> enough I'd velcro one to my guitar!
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 09:38 PM, David wrote:
>
> > Not that it really matters much, but the new KAOSS PAD came out back
> > in June
> > or July - I've had mine since around then.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Sottilaro" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad (was ot: filter effects/alesis ineko?)
> >
> >
> >> this one just came out like in Dec.. or so but they've been talking
> >> about it for a long time.
> >>
> >> Mark Sottilaro
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote:
> >>
> >>> At 7:23 PM -0500 1/21/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I had played a bit with the original a few years back and was pretty
> >>>> unimpressed. YOW! The new one is really a trip.
> >>>
> >>> How new is this one?  I thought there was a newer model out last year
> >>> sometime.
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>> Richard Zvonar, PhD
> >>> (818) 788-2202
> >>> http://www.zvonar.com
> >>> http://RZCybernetics.com
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

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Is the Kaoss Pad 2 any quieter then the first version? A friend of mine has one,
and it sounds great, but it's too noisy for good studio work.

Greg

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Huh... I wonder if you have an impedance issue.  I bought the original 
KAOSS pad when it first came out, and it's never given us any problems. 
  This one does seem physically more sturdy though, for sure.  Also, 
it's very loop friendly with two separate memory locations for samples 
that can be looped and processed at the same time.

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 08:25 AM, Lance Chance wrote:

> they are awesome indeed, when they work.  i burnt the audio inputs 
> almost
> immediately on my first one.   are the new ones a little more rugged?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Sottilaro" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad (was ot: filter effects/alesis ineko?)
>
>
>> Really?  The guy who DJ's with us pre ordered one and it seemed the
>> ship date kept getting pushed back.  I know they weren't in any stores
>> I saw until much later.  Are you sure you have the new one?  Does it
>> have a metal chassis?  My wife got me one for Christmas (the pagan
>> kind!), and it seemed as if they'd just come out.
>>
>> Anyway, they do rock, but they are no secret.  I just played one of
>> Matt's shows (yes, I to am in Big City Orchestra) and we were pretty
>> much armed with a few tidbits and 4 KAOSS pads.  If they were small
>> enough I'd velcro one to my guitar!
>>
>> Mark Sottilaro
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 09:38 PM, David wrote:
>>
>>> Not that it really matters much, but the new KAOSS PAD came out back
>>> in June
>>> or July - I've had mine since around then.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad (was ot: filter effects/alesis ineko?)
>>>
>>>
>>>> this one just came out like in Dec.. or so but they've been talking
>>>> about it for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Sottilaro
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At 7:23 PM -0500 1/21/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had played a bit with the original a few years back and was 
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>> unimpressed. YOW! The new one is really a trip.
>>>>>
>>>>> How new is this one?  I thought there was a newer model out last 
>>>>> year
>>>>> sometime.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>> Richard Zvonar, PhD
>>>>> (818) 788-2202
>>>>> http://www.zvonar.com
>>>>> http://RZCybernetics.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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> next question: does the EDP "read samples" like the repeater and if so why
> does it not have a "pop" at the loop point of a looped sine.  does the
line
> 6 "read samples" and is it's behavior more akin to the repeater or the
EDP?
> how prevalent is the repeater design architecture becoming in the
> delay -loop market?

I'm not sure about the Panasonic chips being compatible, but I'll comment on
the "pop" question.

I wouldn't read too much into the phrase "read samples."  In any
time-quatized system (i.e., any system where you divide time into discrete
chunks) you have "samples" regardless of whether the sample is represented
as a voltage level (analog "bucket brigade") or a digital number.

Typically the "pop" occurs at the loop splice point because the last sample
point is radically different than the first sample point.  A characteristic
of sampled audio systems is that the smaller the defect (in time) the more
audible it is.  Hence a quick discontinuity of only one sample point creates
a loud "pop."

Usually, designers use two techniques to eliminate the discontinuity.  1)
Cross-fade the end of the waveform over the beginning.  2) Adjust the loop
splice point so that it occurs at a zero-crossing point.  Both techinques
have their uses and problems.

If the input waveform consists of a pure sine wave, after cross-fading the
stored waveform will not be a sine wave.    I.e., with cross-fading the
integrity of the signal suffers.

On the other hand, adjusting the loop splice point necessarily changes the
length of the sampled waveform.  Therefore the zero-crossing adjusted loop
will not be the precise length of the original loop.

I suspect the Repeater's designers (who are really bright folks) just needed
to tweak things a bit to eliminate the "pop."  Unfortunately, time ran out.


Dennis Leas
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I'm not that anal of about noise, but I've never noticed either to be 
significantly noisy with a decent gain structure.  Again, I've learned 
that sometimes you've got to take a trade off between noise/fidelity 
and features/usability.  I think it's well worth it for what it can do. 
  Add a little hiss to your recording and use an expander if you need 
to.  I think it's worth it.

Mark Sottilaro


On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 08:36 AM, Greg House wrote:

> Is the Kaoss Pad 2 any quieter then the first version? A friend of 
> mine has one,
> and it sounds great, but it's too noisy for good studio work.
>
> Greg
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There is no pop at the loop point in the Repeater, but a slight "dip" 
in the audio level, probably the sound of the cross fade working.  Much 
better than the "click" of the JamMan IMO.

Mark Sottilaro

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> needed
> to tweak things a bit to eliminate the "pop."  Unfortunately, time ran 
> out.
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> It also seems to be
> very smooth in getting 
> through customs, I assume due to long established
> treaties forging the 
> links between various government's postal
> operations. I've seen major 
> problems with shipments with UPS getting stuck in
> customs forever, but that 
> was a long time ago so maybe they've figured it out
> now. 

does anyone know the best place to find out about
customs practices?  i've been searching and at times
the www can be a wonderful mess of useless pages
without any pertinent info.  i'm trying to find out
ways that i can lower my costs on shipping instruments
from europe (ie. like installing the electronics in-
house and having just the instrument bodies shipped
separately).  any and all help is beyond appreciated!

thanks...
peace and bass,
~ e va n
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Rick,

In a message dated 1/21/03 11:28:44 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:

>I feel very sheepish because I suggested the ANNUAL NAMM AD HOC
>LOOPERS DELIGHT LUNCHEON and didn't attend.

Heheheh. Ain't that the way? We missed your energetic presence
Ricko! Several of us gathered at the crossroads in front of the 
EH booth (it was in the same place as last year, #5396). Then we
waited around a while to see who would show up.

Max Valentino
Richard Zvonar
Steve Lawson
Kim Flint
John Wagner
Bill Walker
Me . . .

My Teflon® coated "old guy" brain refuses to register other names.
If there were any, please forgive their omission due to my poorly 
functioning gray matter. Anywho, the confab eventually split up
and Kim, John, Bill and I all then went off to the belly of the nearby 
Marriott hotel to "do lunch." Very pleasant food and company it 
was indeed too. 

I understand that David Torn Was at the show somewhere. I am told
that Andre LaFosse stayed away from NAMM on Saturday, but had 
been there earlier. I also read something to the effect that Mr. Fripp 
was in L.A. the same weekend for KC pre-tour interviews. I rather 
doubt if he came to the show though. Heheheh, can you imagine?
I can't.

Oh well. I am sure that as soon as I press "SEND" I will think of two 
or three other loopers who's names I have missed from our little 
"meeting at the crossroads" in front of the EH booth. That always
seems to be the way it goes too.

I wasn't too blown away by very much this year. The previously
mentioned Kaoss Pad v.2 and some video editing software at
the Arboretum booth were high points for me. That and the 
addition of V-Link features to some Roland and Edirol gear.
I'm sure I missed a lot. 

One surprise came from one of my own clients, IK Multimedia,
from Italy. They've released a stand-alone version of their
Amplitube software that allows one to plug one's guitar into
a laptop and play/control (in real-time) a host of amp models 
and effects with no latency to speak of at all. Unfortunately,
there was no looper in the package. Can you imagine if they
allowed for 3rd party plug-ins to this program? Right now I'm
imagining faux EDPs, Eventides, Moogerfoogers and Vortexes. 
But why stop there? Sooner or later SOMEBODY is gonna figure 
this technology out and do it right. Yep, the days of this "old
guy" hauling around a 16-space rack and a dozen pedals are
definitely nearing the end.

One other thing blew my mind. Steve Lawson's performance
at the "Bass Bash" on Friday night at JT Shmidt's brew pub. 
He and Michael Manring both made huge impressions on a LOT 
of folks there that night (including Dr. Bob and I). Steve's a 
monster. My recommendation: If you have a chance, see this
guy (along with the also monstrous Andre LaFosse and Rick
Walker) while the opportunity lasts. You won't be disappointed.

Adios!

tEd ® kiLLiAn

ArsOcarina@aol.com
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Rick,

In a message dated 1/21/03 11:14:57 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:

>I am really excited to announce that my brilliant (and beautiful) wife,
>Chris Wedertz has just finished designing my very first multiple 
>page website and it is officially up and running at:
>
>WWW.LOOPPOOL.INFO

Congrats Rick! Good job Chris! Gee . . . I really oughtta do one of my own 
someday.

Nice "bio" too and . . . oh . . . muchas gracias for the link on your "link" 
page.

Break a stick on your tour.

Cheers, amigo!

tEd ® kiLLiAn

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saw this listing on h-c:
$1650! ouch! the barbara kruger (artist) motto should be changed to:
"when i hear out of production looping tools, i get out my
checkbook".

Electro Harmonix 16 second Digital Delay
Asking Price: US$1650
Condition: Excellent
Production Year: 1970
Description:

Very Rare Find - Electro Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay .
These a very hard to find in Any Condition & working . lay
down multiple tracks and hold them in memory with the
infinate Hold/Repeat function..Also, by using different
sound effects, you can lay down tracks with flanger, then
Bass Micro, then chorus, etc., The unique Reverse Function
lets you reverse already recorded lines. mix forward and
backward tracks together.lets you record lines that are
twice as fast (or twice as slow) with normal speed lines.
foot-controlled floor unit for true "hands-off" also has
ECHO, digital CHORUSING, digital FLANGING, double tracking
and status indicator LED's overdub yourself live using the
freeze function that takes whatever is in the "circuits" at
the time and stores it. Then it plays it back right away
Specifications... Delay Time: 8ms to 16 seconds Frequency
Response: @2 sec.: 30Hz to 13.5kHz @4 sec.: 30Hz to 6.7kHz
@8 sec.: 30Hz to 3.3kHz @16sec.: 30Hz to 1.7kHz Distortion:
THD varies with input frequency level, and delay setting;
typically less than .2% S/N Ratio: 80db Maximum Input: 2V
peak to peak @ 1kHz Please Email for more & Better Pic .
Buyer will Pay for Ins. & Shipping . M.O., Certified checks
accepted.
email: eh16secdd@aol.
Seller: T. O.,
E-mail: eh16secdd at aol.com (Profile)
Post Date: 1/21/2003

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EH 16 sec delay on
Harmony-central.com

saw this listing on h-c:


$1650! ouch! the barbara kruger (artist) motto should be changed
to:


"when i hear out of production looping tools, i get out
my


checkbook".





Electro
Harmonix 16 second Digital Delay

Asking Price: US$1650

Condition: Excellent

Production Year: 1970

Description:



Very Rare
Find - Electro Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay .

These a very hard to find in Any Condition & working . lay

down multiple tracks and hold them in memory with the

infinate Hold/Repeat function..Also, by using different

sound effects, you can lay down tracks with flanger, then

Bass Micro, then chorus, etc., The unique Reverse Function

lets you reverse already recorded lines. mix forward and

backward tracks together.lets you record lines that are

twice as fast (or twice as slow) with normal speed lines.

foot-controlled floor unit for true "hands-off" also has

ECHO, digital CHORUSING, digital FLANGING, double tracking

and status indicator LED's overdub yourself live using the

freeze function that takes whatever is in the "circuits"
at

the time and stores it. Then it plays it back right away

Specifications... Delay Time: 8ms to 16 seconds Frequency

Response: @2 sec.: 30Hz to 13.5kHz @4 sec.: 30Hz to 6.7kHz

@8 sec.: 30Hz to 3.3kHz @16sec.: 30Hz to 1.7kHz Distortion:

THD varies with input frequency level, and delay setting;

typically less than .2% S/N Ratio: 80db Maximum Input: 2V

peak to peak @ 1kHz Please Email for more & Better Pic .

Buyer will Pay for Ins. & Shipping . M.O., Certified checks

accepted.

email: eh16secdd@aol.

Seller: T. O.,

E-mail: eh16secdd at aol.com (Profile)


Post Date:
1/21/2003




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Yeah, suddenly that's the going price.  The one on Ebay went for $1600,
and some local dude around here is now asking for that for his.  I've
given up, and am now setting my sights on the much more modest, but
still old-school fun, digitech pds-8000.  I could buy nine or ten of 'em
for that!

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


> saw this listing on h-c:$1650! ouch! the barbara kruger (artist) motto
> should be changed to:"when i hear out of production looping tools, i
> get out mycheckbook".

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-----Original Message-----
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I also read something to the effect that Mr. Fripp
was in L.A. the same weekend for KC pre-tour interviews. I rather
doubt if he came to the show though. Heheheh, can you imagine?
I can't.


Time to share my secret--I had a chance to sit in on an interview with "Bob"
(I sure didn't call him that) on Saturday courtesy of my friend George
Varga, who writes for the San Diego Union--I was filling in for Mike
Kenneally, who had duties at the show.
The big quote I will share--when Mr. Fripp was asked how he wished to be
remembered, quipped he, "I wish to be forgotten."

And now the real strange coincindence.  The job I am doing and have done for
20 months or so involves working with Skilled Nursing Facilities--and we are
currently doing a job search for a building in Oakland, where the
Administrator is named Nathaniel Fripp.  I asked him if he knew of RF, and
he said not only had he heard of him, he had had lunch with Patricia, RF's
sister (a Bay area motivational speaker).  Seems NF's sister is also named
Patricia . . .
BTW, my rotator cuff surgery became infected, so my progress has slowed.
Can we blame George?  He doesn't drive--that's how I came to be allowed to
participate in the RF interview.  I was the driver . . .  but I did
participate in the interview at one point--I mentioned the 21st Century
Schizoid Band, and he approves of their activities--seems they are a bunch
of ex-Crimson fellows . . .
All for now--Go see some of these loop shows if you can!
Gary


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> The big quote I will share--when Mr. Fripp was asked how he wished to be
> remembered, quipped he, "I wish to be forgotten."

Sometimes I think he'll say anything for attention!



* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com

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I've had nothing but trouble getting stuff shipped from the US to the UK; every time, fed ex or UPS or parcel-farce or whoever, they deliver at the wrong time. I ask you, who lives in london and stays home all day? but they won't deliver to home addresses outside of office hours, and if it's a credit card purchase, you mostly can't get them to use an alternate delivery address. then they impose their own surcharges aswell as collecting import duty, so whatever we thought we were paying, there's extra on top, plus holes in the box and everything. import duty on second-hand goods? 

I just got a bill from fed-ex for another $30 for two simpletech cards I got from a shop in philadelphia because I couldn't get them anywhere else. why? grrr... and if I don't pay it, they WILL arrest me for smuggling.

so I'm in the midst of a guitar-trading deal with a shop in NY state somewhere. I figure that I'll get a return flight and do it that way, thus being more confident of the safety of the instrument I take out and the one I bring back, and avoiding import duty, and picking up some cheap ciggies along the way. maybe hook up with a mate in manhattan. get out of london for a couple of days. this could be a good business opportunity for someone, given that e-bay now allows you to buy equipment from anywhere in the world.

mind you, virgin atlantic dinged my rickenbacker's case quite badly. twice.

arse.

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[looper's] RE: shipping




I've had nothing but trouble getting stuff shipped from t=
he US to the UK; every time, fed ex or UPS or parcel-farce or whoever, they=
 deliver at the wrong time. I ask you, who lives in london and stays home a=
ll day? but they won't deliver to home addresses outside of office hours, a=
nd if it's a credit card purchase, you mostly can't get them to use an alte=
rnate delivery address. then they impose their own surcharges aswell as col=
lecting import duty, so whatever we thought we were paying, there's extra o=
n top, plus holes in the box and everything. import duty on second-hand goo=
ds? 



I just got a bill from fed-ex for another $30 for two sim=
pletech cards I got from a shop in philadelphia because I couldn't get them=
 anywhere else. why? grrr... and if I don't pay it, they WILL arrest me for=
 smuggling.



so I'm in the midst of a guitar-trading deal with a shop =
in NY state somewhere. I figure that I'll get a return flight and do it tha=
t way, thus being more confident of the safety of the instrument I take out=
 and the one I bring back, and avoiding import duty, and picking up some ch=
eap ciggies along the way. maybe hook up with a mate in manhattan. get out =
of london for a couple of days. this could be a good business opportunity f=
or someone, given that e-bay now allows you to buy equipment from anywhere =
in the world.



mind you, virgin atlantic dinged my rickenbacker's case q=
uite badly. twice.




arse.




duncan/r.m.i.







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don't get me wrong, i love my repeater and what it exclusively offers in the
way of sync functions and "on-the-fly" waveform editing.  my EDP just seems
to have this seamless quality to it, and i'm convinced that there has to be
some method of identifying which machine will be strong at which function
depending on what method is used to create the over all effect (delay).
is the EDP a "zero-crossing adjusted" loop machine, as opposed to the
repeater which is, i assume, a "cross-fade style" machine like the method
mentioned by Dennis in his post?
i sort of assumed that the cross fade was responsible for the
inconsistencies in the sine on the repeater.   is there any way to adjust
the crossfade so that "dip" is not as apparent, i didn't see anything in the
manual about it, and i did look a little.  understand that i use a
consistent sine here as an ideal goal, but actually, my input is more
dynamic and multitembral than that.

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> There is no pop at the loop point in the Repeater, but a slight "dip"
> in the audio level, probably the sound of the cross fade working.  Much
> better than the "click" of the JamMan IMO.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Dennis Leas wrote:
> > I suspect the Repeater's designers (who are really bright folks) just
> > needed
> > to tweak things a bit to eliminate the "pop."  Unfortunately, time ran
> > out.
> >
> >
> > Dennis Leas
> > -------------------
> > dennis@mail.worldserver.com
> >
> >
>

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maybe so.  i was beyond plugging line into phono stupid at that time,
though.   i have to say that i really did like that control/effect thing
that it offered.  i might have to give the new one a shot.   really, i have
to kind of agree with the noise : function ratio concept, at least as it
appears below the 1000 dollar market, and what company is going to offer a
1000 dollar version of something so specific.

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> Huh... I wonder if you have an impedance issue.  I bought the original
> KAOSS pad when it first came out, and it's never given us any problems.
>   This one does seem physically more sturdy though, for sure.  Also,
> it's very loop friendly with two separate memory locations for samples
> that can be looped and processed at the same time.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 08:25 AM, Lance Chance wrote:
>
> > they are awesome indeed, when they work.  i burnt the audio inputs
> > almost
> > immediately on my first one.   are the new ones a little more rugged?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Sottilaro" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad (was ot: filter effects/alesis ineko?)
> >
> >
> >> Really?  The guy who DJ's with us pre ordered one and it seemed the
> >> ship date kept getting pushed back.  I know they weren't in any stores
> >> I saw until much later.  Are you sure you have the new one?  Does it
> >> have a metal chassis?  My wife got me one for Christmas (the pagan
> >> kind!), and it seemed as if they'd just come out.
> >>
> >> Anyway, they do rock, but they are no secret.  I just played one of
> >> Matt's shows (yes, I to am in Big City Orchestra) and we were pretty
> >> much armed with a few tidbits and 4 KAOSS pads.  If they were small
> >> enough I'd velcro one to my guitar!
> >>
> >> Mark Sottilaro
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 09:38 PM, David wrote:
> >>
> >>> Not that it really matters much, but the new KAOSS PAD came out back
> >>> in June
> >>> or July - I've had mine since around then.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" 
> >>> To: 
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:27 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad (was ot: filter effects/alesis ineko?)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> this one just came out like in Dec.. or so but they've been talking
> >>>> about it for a long time.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark Sottilaro
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> At 7:23 PM -0500 1/21/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I had played a bit with the original a few years back and was
> >>>>>> pretty
> >>>>>> unimpressed. YOW! The new one is really a trip.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How new is this one?  I thought there was a newer model out last
> >>>>> year
> >>>>> sometime.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>>>> Richard Zvonar, PhD
> >>>>> (818) 788-2202
> >>>>> http://www.zvonar.com
> >>>>> http://RZCybernetics.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

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>when Mr. Fripp was asked how he wished to be
remembered, quipped he, "I wish to be forgotten."

then put down the guitar or stop releasing records.  i, like most of us
here, like kc and soundscapes, but the more i hear fripp talk, the more i
think he's full of shit.

he knew what he was getting himself into when he started kc, so i have no
pity.

-jim




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LA is a perfect city for Mr. Fripp


>From: "jimfowler" 
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>
> >when Mr. Fripp was asked how he wished to be
>remembered, quipped he, "I wish to be forgotten."
>
>then put down the guitar or stop releasing records.  i, like most of us
>here, like kc and soundscapes, but the more i hear fripp talk, the more i
>think he's full of shit.
>
>he knew what he was getting himself into when he started kc, so i have no
>pity.
>
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There is a trim feature that can be useful, but if you're looking for a perfect
sine wave, my advise would be to get a nice synth and tape one of it's keys
down.

Mark Sottilaro

Lance Chance wrote:

> don't get me wrong, i love my repeater and what it exclusively offers in the
> way of sync functions and "on-the-fly" waveform editing.  my EDP just seems
> to have this seamless quality to it, and i'm convinced that there has to be
> some method of identifying which machine will be strong at which function
> depending on what method is used to create the over all effect (delay).
> is the EDP a "zero-crossing adjusted" loop machine, as opposed to the
> repeater which is, i assume, a "cross-fade style" machine like the method
> mentioned by Dennis in his post?
> i sort of assumed that the cross fade was responsible for the
> inconsistencies in the sine on the repeater.   is there any way to adjust
> the crossfade so that "dip" is not as apparent, i didn't see anything in the
> manual about it, and i did look a little.  understand that i use a
> consistent sine here as an ideal goal, but actually, my input is more
> dynamic and multitembral than that.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Sottilaro" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: delay chips and design
>
> > There is no pop at the loop point in the Repeater, but a slight "dip"
> > in the audio level, probably the sound of the cross fade working.  Much
> > better than the "click" of the JamMan IMO.
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Dennis Leas wrote:
> > > I suspect the Repeater's designers (who are really bright folks) just
> > > needed
> > > to tweak things a bit to eliminate the "pop."  Unfortunately, time ran
> > > out.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dennis Leas
> > > -------------------
> > > dennis@mail.worldserver.com
> > >
> > >
> >

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Let me put the comment in context (he was actually quite charming, if as
dodgy as one might expect):
He explained that he wished for his work to be remembered, but not him as a
person.
There's more, but that's enough for now.
Gary
PS  I believe there is a price for celebrity, but I'm the type that would be
insufferable in the limelight--as I am sure most of you have gathered 8^) so
my mileage is no standard
G

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>when Mr. Fripp was asked how he wished to be
remembered, quipped he, "I wish to be forgotten."

then put down the guitar or stop releasing records.  i, like most of us
here, like kc and soundscapes, but the more i hear fripp talk, the more i
think he's full of shit.

he knew what he was getting himself into when he started kc, so i have no
pity.

-jim






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> Let me put the comment in context (he was actually quite charming, if as
> dodgy as one might expect):
> He explained that he wished for his work to be remembered, but not him as
a
> person.

That would mean we would have to stop discussing his behavior?
Oh....don't think so!


> There's more, but that's enough for now.

Let us know when it's published.


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I just read a really interesting book about R. F.... I forget it's name but
it might be something like "Robert Fripp, from King Crimson to Guitar Craft"
and it seemed to be a pretty good unbiased look at the man.  It made me like
his personality a lot more, as the author seemed to find that not even
Robert buys into his own bullshit and often says stuff with his tongue
firmly in his cheek.  He came off as a lot more human.  The author even took
a Guitar Craft course, so he basically lived in the same house as Fripp for
a week.  I'm not saying that Robert isn't quirky.  He sure is.  You probably
have to be to get to where he is.  Anyway, the book is out of print, but
I'll take a look at it's cover and perhaps one may find it on eBay.  It's a
very interesting read.

Also, as "prog rockers" go, I it is my opinion that he's one of the only of
his kind that has not become a wimpy shadow of his former self.  The
Construcktion of Light is proof positive that Fripp's just getting nice and
cranky in his old age and not putting out pabulum like Yes or Pink Floyd.

Mark Sottilaro

jimfowler wrote:

> >when Mr. Fripp was asked how he wished to be
> remembered, quipped he, "I wish to be forgotten."
>
> then put down the guitar or stop releasing records.  i, like most of us
> here, like kc and soundscapes, but the more i hear fripp talk, the more i
> think he's full of shit.
>
> he knew what he was getting himself into when he started kc, so i have no
> pity.
>
> -jim

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"He explained that he wished for his work to be remembered, but not him as a
person."

ahh, the importance of context.

this, on the other hand, is a perfectly respectable ideal...with emphasis on
IDEAL.

-jim



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----- Original Message -----
From: 


> I just read a really interesting book about R. F.... I forget it's name
but
> it might be something like "Robert Fripp, from King Crimson to Guitar
Craft"
> and it seemed to be a pretty good unbiased look at the man.  It made me
like
> his personality a lot more, as the author seemed to find that not even
> Robert buys into his own bullshit and often says stuff with his tongue
> firmly in his cheek.  He came off as a lot more human.  The author even
took
> a Guitar Craft course, so he basically lived in the same house as Fripp
for
> a week.  I'm not saying that Robert isn't quirky.  He sure is.  You
probably
> have to be to get to where he is.  Anyway, the book is out of print, but
> I'll take a look at it's cover and perhaps one may find it on eBay.  It's
a
> very interesting read.

Read it on line: http://www.progressiveears.com/frippbook/


* David Beardsley
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> my advise would be to get a nice synth and tape one of it's keys
> down.
yeah, that's what you said last time, you weenie;-)   really, what i want is
to have a steady tone cross the loop point without an artifact, think
tambura or whale sounds, and i already have it in my EDP. and since my EDP
is "born to lead" and my repeater is "born to follow" i've got the best of
both worlds (ie smooth long soundscapes and incredibly tweekable rhythmic
loopiness). it's just that having nice compact flash stored tamburaesque
guitar stuff would save me money on synths and tape;-)
the trim function is what makes me think that a crossfade control must be
there and i'm missing it or it's almost there and could be a software mod.
i mean, that's where the crossfade function is on my emu, it's associated
with trim.


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> There is a trim feature that can be useful, but if you're looking for a
perfect
> sine wave, my advise would be to get a nice synth and tape one of it's
keys
> down.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> Lance Chance wrote:
>
> > don't get me wrong, i love my repeater and what it exclusively offers in
the
> > way of sync functions and "on-the-fly" waveform editing.  my EDP just
seems
> > to have this seamless quality to it, and i'm convinced that there has to
be
> > some method of identifying which machine will be strong at which
function
> > depending on what method is used to create the over all effect (delay).
> > is the EDP a "zero-crossing adjusted" loop machine, as opposed to the
> > repeater which is, i assume, a "cross-fade style" machine like the
method
> > mentioned by Dennis in his post?
> > i sort of assumed that the cross fade was responsible for the
> > inconsistencies in the sine on the repeater.   is there any way to
adjust
> > the crossfade so that "dip" is not as apparent, i didn't see anything in
the
> > manual about it, and i did look a little.  understand that i use a
> > consistent sine here as an ideal goal, but actually, my input is more
> > dynamic and multitembral than that.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Sottilaro" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: delay chips and design
> >
> > > There is no pop at the loop point in the Repeater, but a slight "dip"
> > > in the audio level, probably the sound of the cross fade working.
Much
> > > better than the "click" of the JamMan IMO.
> > >
> > > Mark Sottilaro
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Dennis Leas wrote:
> > > > I suspect the Repeater's designers (who are really bright folks)
just
> > > > needed
> > > > to tweak things a bit to eliminate the "pop."  Unfortunately, time
ran
> > > > out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dennis Leas
> > > > -------------------
> > > > dennis@mail.worldserver.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>

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is the book you're talking about written by a musician and presents a very
musical and technical breakdown of Fripp and what he does? if so, i have
read this book and it is really very good. it talks about tunings and method
and musical philosophy and plectrum guitar style and just all kinds of
stuff.  i got my copy from the university and photocopied the entire work
because i couldn't get it anywhere else.  is that an admission of crime?
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> I just read a really interesting book about R. F.... I forget it's name
but
> it might be something like "Robert Fripp, from King Crimson to Guitar
Craft"
> and it seemed to be a pretty good unbiased look at the man.  It made me
like
> his personality a lot more, as the author seemed to find that not even
> Robert buys into his own bullshit and often says stuff with his tongue
> firmly in his cheek.  He came off as a lot more human.  The author even
took
> a Guitar Craft course, so he basically lived in the same house as Fripp
for
> a week.  I'm not saying that Robert isn't quirky.  He sure is.  You
probably
> have to be to get to where he is.  Anyway, the book is out of print, but
> I'll take a look at it's cover and perhaps one may find it on eBay.  It's
a
> very interesting read.
>
> Also, as "prog rockers" go, I it is my opinion that he's one of the only
of
> his kind that has not become a wimpy shadow of his former self.  The
> Construcktion of Light is proof positive that Fripp's just getting nice
and
> cranky in his old age and not putting out pabulum like Yes or Pink Floyd.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> jimfowler wrote:
>
> > >when Mr. Fripp was asked how he wished to be
> > remembered, quipped he, "I wish to be forgotten."
> >
> > then put down the guitar or stop releasing records.  i, like most of us
> > here, like kc and soundscapes, but the more i hear fripp talk, the more
i
> > think he's full of shit.
> >
> > he knew what he was getting himself into when he started kc, so i have
no
> > pity.
> >
> > -jim
>

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does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay?  i'm thinking 
about trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just 
curious. i'm of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely 
priced EH 16sec delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the 
ubiquitous DL4 and although i do like it, the memory man is the least 
realistic of all the delays IMHO...


thanks

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--- Lance Chance  wrote:
> is the book you're talking about written by a musician and presents a very
> musical and technical breakdown of Fripp and what he does? if so, i have
> read this book and it is really very good. it talks about tunings and method
> and musical philosophy and plectrum guitar style and just all kinds of
> stuff.  i got my copy from the university and photocopied the entire work
> because i couldn't get it anywhere else.  is that an admission of crime?

Probably not, since the author (Eric Tamm) has made the book freely available on
the  internet instead of republishing it. See the link that David sent (at
progressiveears.com)

I read it (online) awhile back. Pretty interesting. But remember that Robert
Fripp did not endorse or cooperate in it's production (although it was reputed
that he said he liked the chapter where Tamm shared his experience of attending a
Guitar Craft course). In fact, he urged Tamm not to write the book from the
start. Given his predisposition against self-aggrandizement, that's not terribly
surprising.

Unlike some of the other people that reported here, while I thought the book was
interesting, and had some good information, I felt it bordered very closely on
hero worship throughout much of it. Guess I don't really have a problem with
that, but to say it's an unbiased view of Robert Fripp and his music might be a
stretch. That said, I enjoyed the book, and do recommend it to others (especially
for free).

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Hey, I am halfway through this very book right now, and am enjoying
it immensely.  I very much agree with your take on it... it is worth 
searching out.

-jas
http://dimbulb.org


>
>I just read a really interesting book about R. F.... I forget it's name but
>it might be something like "Robert Fripp, from King Crimson to Guitar Craft"
>and it seemed to be a pretty good unbiased look at the man.  It made me like
>his personality a lot more, as the author seemed to find that not even
>Robert buys into his own bullshit and often says stuff with his tongue
>firmly in his cheek.  He came off as a lot more human.  The author even took
>a Guitar Craft course, so he basically lived in the same house as Fripp for
>a week.  I'm not saying that Robert isn't quirky.  He sure is.  You probably
>have to be to get to where he is.  Anyway, the book is out of print, but
>I'll take a look at it's cover and perhaps one may find it on eBay.  It's a
>very interesting read.
>
>Also, as "prog rockers" go, I it is my opinion that he's one of the only of
>his kind that has not become a wimpy shadow of his former self.  The
>Construcktion of Light is proof positive that Fripp's just getting nice and
>cranky in his old age and not putting out pabulum like Yes or Pink Floyd.
>


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On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, mr.monk wrote:

> does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay?  i'm thinking 
> about trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just 
> curious. i'm of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely 
> priced EH 16sec delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the 
> ubiquitous DL4 and although i do like it, the memory man is the least 
> realistic of all the delays IMHO...

The Big Briar/Moog Music Moogerfooger MF-104 analog delay time ranges from 
40ms to 800ms. 

http://www.moogmusic.com/

They only made a thousand of them and sold out year before 
last, but you should also be able to find them on ebay occasionally. I've 
got one, sounds fantastic. Good for short  (obviously) loops. 

Steve
http://www.subscapeannex.com/


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yes the Tamm book is passionate.

that is why he stopped writing it, and wrote a book about Brian Eno first. that 
was Fripp's request, and Eric felt that his Fripp-book was too emotional for a 
master's thesis (or was it a doctorate?). 

the Eno book (the Vertical Colour Of Sound) is not passionate at all. it is 
clinical and dry. a very informative book, though.

i still need to get the new ELP book, and the King Crimson history book.

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Mark wrote:

>Also, as "prog rockers" go, I it is my opinion that he's one of the only of
>his kind that has not become a wimpy shadow of his former self.  The
>Construcktion of Light is proof positive that Fripp's just getting nice and
>cranky in his old age and not putting out pabulum like Yes or Pink Floyd.

I completely agree with this. Fripp continues to produce different and
interesting music even after having worked all these years at it. It's refreshing
to see someone that's not content to sit on their laurels and rehash their former
glory (or worse yet, to keep playing the same old tired material from 20-30 years
ago). It might be what the audience wants (or thinks they want), but I can't
imagine it would be satisfying to the musician.

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Greetings Live Improvised Electronic Music Fans,

Sorry for the last-minute notice, but I thought you might like to know
that armatronix will be opening for Steve Lawson (Great Britain, bass
and loops), Rick Walker (Santa Cruz, percussion and loops), and Andre
LaFosse (Los Angeles, guitar and loops) tonight, Wednesday, January
22nd, 2003.

It is a real honor to be opening for these guys; they're all monster
players in their own right, but they are also some of the most respected
names in the emerging Live Looping Movement.  They will be playing solo,
in duets, and in trios, and we will probably all get together as a
quartet at some point in the evening.

Please come on down if you are able - I promise you won't be
disappointed.  The gig starts at 9:00, and will be located at 1060 Osos
Street in downtown San Luis Obispo, California, site of the former Osos
Street Subs.

-Hans



PRESS RELEASE
-------------

Cal Poly Radio KCPR 91.3 FM and Loop.pooL Productions

are very pleased to announce a performance by four of the
top looping artists performing in the world right now.

the LOOPING TRIO
performance at Z-Pie Restaurant
1060 Osos Street, SLO
on Wednesday, January 22nd

show begins at 9:00 p.m.
tickets are $10 at the door only
NO ONE TURNED AWAY FOR LACK OF FUNDS


it will feature solo, duo and trio improvisations by

STEVE LAWSON (the top solo bassist in Britain today),
ANDRE La FOSSE (a brilliant and innovative guitarist from Los Angeles)
and
RICK WALKER  (multi instrumentalist, drums and percussion from Santa
Cruz).

All three musicians are using the cadillac of mono loopers,  The GIBSON
EDP Echoplex with it's incredibly innovative LOOP 4 software developed
by Berkeley's AURISIS company.

What is remarkable in particular about this software is that it allows
live looping artists incredible flexibility over the manipulation of
each loop.  Real time 'granular synthesis' which has been all the rage
in the current 'GLITCH' scene in modern electronica is now possible.

They will be interacting with each other in different configurations of
synchronized and non-synchronized looping.      This show is part of a
larger California tour (starting at Rocco's in Hollywood at the end of
the NAMM show and culminating with a demonstration/clinic at BANANAS at
LARGE in Berkeley).
 

STEVE LAWSON, fresh from his UK wide long tour with LEVEL 42 has been
dominating modern bass publications this year with the release of his
new solo CD. He is an amazing fluid bassist, probably the smoothest
looper in the emerging live looping scene worldwide.  Drawn to vocalists
as a source for his inspiration , as opposed to other bass players, he
has a beautifully, languid sense of melody and yet he can mix this
sensibility with very avant garde backdrops.  He is truly a world class
musician.

ANDRE LaFOSSE is a relative newcomer to the scene but he has quickly
become one of the most talked about Loopers in the world with his
concept of GUITAR TURNTABLISM, where he manipulates the complex LOOP 4
software in ways that are reminiscent of both Vinyl Turntablists and
computer GLITCH artists.  He is also notable for his series of
instructional videos on the complexity of the ECHOPLEX.

RICK WALKER is known to most music goers in the Santa Cruz area.  From
his involvement in the New Wave scene in the 80's to innovative work in
WORLD BEAT in the 90's and his involvement as an organizer and
participant in the emerging live looping scene internationally,  he has
always tried to be on the cutting edge of musical innovation.  He will
also be celebrating the debut launch of his new website 
www.looppool.info
 
Opening the show is electronic loop artist ARMATRONIX (Hans Lindauer of
Los Osos).  Armatronix is one of only a small handful of dance music
producers worldwide who improvise their entire performances from
scratch, in real time.  Hans loops bass, synthesizer, voice, and
electronic percussion.   Hans is also the creator of San Luis Obispo's
annual LOOPSTOCK festival of loop-based music.


for more information, requests for interviews, or on air performances,
call (805)534-1009  or e-mail armatronix@charter.net

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> So do I need the official EX1 pedal from Line6?  Other options?

if Line6 only have one pedal its a
100k Ohm linear pot to a mono jack.
( a log pot works, but not ideal)
or so my Filter Pro experiments would suggest.

that's not a standard pedal as far as I know

andy butler

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DOD had one (FX96) at about 500ms.  It used a single 3005.

Funny thing, I had one and would run it on this really poorly regulated 
supply...it must have altered the clock as it would pump out delays of well 
over a second
Note : what came out was very weird, it was an echo -- but it was very 
distorted (not overdrive / clipping distorted or simply low-frequency from 
the slow clock)

you've got a couple of options I guess - chain 2 BBD's together (you'll get 
some loss from twice the buckets)

lower the clock speed (changes sampling rate and will restrict the frequency 
response, it might also start sounding "grainy")





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does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay?  i'm thinking about 
trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just curious. i'm 
of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely priced EH 16sec 
delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the ubiquitous DL4 and 
although i do like it, the memory man is the least realistic of all the 
delays IMHO...


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> "SAD1024
>  1024 stage, capacitor "bucket brigade" audio frequency delay chip.

100mS delay @ 5kHz bandwidth for each chip.
...or something like that.

but standard practice was to run 2 chips in parallel, each
delaying the same signal, but out of phase.
this was so they could be mixed back together 
(with phase on one chip again reversed) so that
you could cancel out the clock noise.

Biggest number of SAD1024 (or similar) was in something
called a Carlsboro Mantis Echo
which I think has  8 chips.

where else can you read stuff like this? 

:-)



>  next question: does the EDP "read samples" like the repeater and if so why
>  does it not have a "pop" at the loop point of a looped sine.

just well engineered and programmed.

there's so little "pop" compared to other loopers
that I always though there was some kind of 
crossfade going on at the loop end/start

..but there isn't, just an untreated splice.

andy butler

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can you add another bucket brigade to a memory man? is there a tech who 
will do this?


On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 04:45 PM, James Winger wrote:

> DOD had one (FX96) at about 500ms.  It used a single 3005.
>
> Funny thing, I had one and would run it on this really poorly 
> regulated supply...it must have altered the clock as it would pump out 
> delays of well over a second
> Note : what came out was very weird, it was an echo -- but it was very 
> distorted (not overdrive / clipping distorted or simply low-frequency 
> from the slow clock)
>
> you've got a couple of options I guess - chain 2 BBD's together 
> (you'll get some loss from twice the buckets)
>
> lower the clock speed (changes sampling rate and will restrict the 
> frequency response, it might also start sounding "grainy")
>
>
>
>
>
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> does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay?  i'm thinking 
> about trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just 
> curious. i'm of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely 
> priced EH 16sec delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the 
> ubiquitous DL4 and although i do like it, the memory man is the least 
> realistic of all the delays IMHO...
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perhaps you should consider running your memman in series with a 
higher-fidelity digital (set 100% wet) you might be able to then get the 
"mushtone" and the longer times.
note - the feedback loop will have to be externalized but this is easily 
donw through a mixer







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can you add another bucket brigade to a memory man? is there a tech who will 
do this?


On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 04:45 PM, James Winger wrote:

>DOD had one (FX96) at about 500ms.  It used a single 3005.
>
>Funny thing, I had one and would run it on this really poorly regulated 
>supply...it must have altered the clock as it would pump out delays of well 
>over a second
>Note : what came out was very weird, it was an echo -- but it was very 
>distorted (not overdrive / clipping distorted or simply low-frequency from 
>the slow clock)
>
>you've got a couple of options I guess - chain 2 BBD's together (you'll get 
>some loss from twice the buckets)
>
>lower the clock speed (changes sampling rate and will restrict the 
>frequency response, it might also start sounding "grainy")
>
>
>
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>does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay?  i'm thinking about 
>trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just curious. i'm 
>of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely priced EH 16sec 
>delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the ubiquitous DL4 and 
>although i do like it, the memory man is the least realistic of all the 
>delays IMHO...
>
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I'm honestly not sure HOW BAD the loss would be.  it might be pretty bad.

Have you considered just running 2 delays in series? At least as a test

You'd have to run them 100% and use another channel for accurate "emulatin" 
of a long delay, but on the bonus side you'd get a delay tap and a second 
feedback route

either way, I wouldn't expect to get your same sound..just longer







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can you add another bucket brigade to a memory man? is there a tech who will 
do this?


On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 04:45 PM, James Winger wrote:

>DOD had one (FX96) at about 500ms.  It used a single 3005.
>
>Funny thing, I had one and would run it on this really poorly regulated 
>supply...it must have altered the clock as it would pump out delays of well 
>over a second
>Note : what came out was very weird, it was an echo -- but it was very 
>distorted (not overdrive / clipping distorted or simply low-frequency from 
>the slow clock)
>
>you've got a couple of options I guess - chain 2 BBD's together (you'll get 
>some loss from twice the buckets)
>
>lower the clock speed (changes sampling rate and will restrict the 
>frequency response, it might also start sounding "grainy")
>
>
>
>
>
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>does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay?  i'm thinking about 
>trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just curious. i'm 
>of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely priced EH 16sec 
>delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the ubiquitous DL4 and 
>although i do like it, the memory man is the least realistic of all the 
>delays IMHO...
>
>
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On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 05:04 PM, James Winger wrote:

> perhaps you should consider running your memman in series with a 
> higher-fidelity digital (set 100% wet) you might be able to then get 
> the "mushtone" and the longer times.
> note - the feedback loop will have to be externalized but this is 
> easily donw through a mixer
>
>
>

well the point is to keep it low fi. i have all the modeling pedals and 
all the classic dig delays (korg sdd3000, pcm 70 etc...) but nothing 
sounds like the memory man..

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I think you are misunderstanding

If you run run the delays in SERIES, you are getting tonal degradation from 
the memory manTHEN the digital delay adds time dealy without adding EXTRA 
degradation

If you add another BBD or lower the clock rate you probably aren't going to 
get the sound you have just longer.








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On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 05:04 PM, James Winger wrote:

>perhaps you should consider running your memman in series with a 
>higher-fidelity digital (set 100% wet) you might be able to then get the 
>"mushtone" and the longer times.
>note - the feedback loop will have to be externalized but this is easily 
>donw through a mixer
>
>
>

well the point is to keep it low fi. i have all the modeling pedals and all 
the classic dig delays (korg sdd3000, pcm 70 etc...) but nothing sounds like 
the memory man..


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 Would someone be so kind as to shoot me the address,phone # and or e-mail
address for Condor electronics or who ever it is who can still repair these
things. My power supply has taken a dump and if it weren't for the
generosity of my brother, and the generous soul who gave him an extra power
supply, I'd be up shit creek minus the proverbial paddle. My repeater did
exhibit a disturbing characteristic before, and once after the power supply
went down (once I used the new one). I wasn't getting any input single even
though it would be in record mode. Not even any input indicator light
flashing. Also if I tried to play a pre recorded loop. I'd get level
indicator lights on the various tracks, but no output. Non, Nada, zip
zero,. After I switched power supplies it did the input signal crash after
about an hour or so, but a reboot got it back up and running. Still though,
it freaked me out big time. I feel like we(RPTR users) are all living on
borrowed time with these devices. I wish IVL would  place at least one more
order for these power supplies, or make the supplier known to the various
looper web sights so we could take matters in to our own hands and try to
collectively build a substantial enough order to make it worth there while.
This may be naive of me but I'll bet there are several hundred if not a few
thousand people with these things that would like to be able to use them
for a few years and want a spare power supply or two or three. I guess I'm
just going to have to pony up and spend inflated $'s to buy a RPTR off of
E-Bay, just to get at the power supply. I don't know about you but this
makes be seethe. Time to buy an EDP I guess.
Bill Walker


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Duncan,

Thanks for this - I've done as you suggest and it works..
Ian.



At 19:11 16/01/03 , you wrote: 

>
> >>I don't seem to be able to unassign Delay Time from the pedal. So, if, for
> example, I want to bring up the repeats as I put my toe down, I set a couple
> of repeats at heal position and lots at the toe position. I don't touch
Delay
> Time, and when using the pedal, the Delay Time will always change causing
the
> spaceship effect.<<
>
> it's been a while... but I think you have to set one of the pedal positions
> before the other one- the order is important though I can't remember which
> way round it is.... and you have to re-store the preset before it
"takes". if
> that doesn't work, then summat's buggered. you could try re-storing the
> preset with no pedal plugged in to "clear" any memory it might have of the
> snapshotted positions. 
>
> then you could try deliberately moving the delay time knob a tiny bit and
> back again in order to "re-register" the alternate position, in case the dl4
> is assuming, in the absence of any other data, that you wanted to carry on
> using the erroneous setting.
>
> duncan/r.m.i. 
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      Condor Electronics
      125 N 36th St
      Seattle, WA 98103
      206-633-5190


I talked to them a few weeks ago about repairing a reverb and they were
about 6 weeks backed up.

Bob

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> Would someone be so kind as to shoot me the address,phone # and or e-mail
> address for Condor electronics or who ever it is who can still repair
these
> things. My power supply has taken a dump and if it weren't for the
> generosity of my brother, and the generous soul who gave him an extra
power
> supply, I'd be up shit creek minus the proverbial paddle. My repeater did
> exhibit a disturbing characteristic before, and once after the power
supply
> went down (once I used the new one). I wasn't getting any input single
even
> though it would be in record mode. Not even any input indicator light
> flashing. Also if I tried to play a pre recorded loop. I'd get level
> indicator lights on the various tracks, but no output. Non, Nada, zip
> zero,. After I switched power supplies it did the input signal crash after
> about an hour or so, but a reboot got it back up and running. Still
though,
> it freaked me out big time. I feel like we(RPTR users) are all living on
> borrowed time with these devices. I wish IVL would  place at least one
more
> order for these power supplies, or make the supplier known to the various
> looper web sights so we could take matters in to our own hands and try to
> collectively build a substantial enough order to make it worth there
while.
> This may be naive of me but I'll bet there are several hundred if not a
few
> thousand people with these things that would like to be able to use them
> for a few years and want a spare power supply or two or three. I guess I'm
> just going to have to pony up and spend inflated $'s to buy a RPTR off of
> E-Bay, just to get at the power supply. I don't know about you but this
> makes be seethe. Time to buy an EDP I guess.
> Bill Walker
>
>

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other than dealing with the hassle of eBay...

does anyone know someone who is selling a Repeater for less than $600?

I would like to pick one up

thanks,
Cyo

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IVL did in fact order more power supplies. Contact Lisa over there and she
will sell you one.

Cliff


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Good luck!

> other than dealing with the hassle of eBay...
> 
> does anyone know someone who is selling a Repeater for less than $600?
> 
> I would like to pick one up
> 
> thanks,
> Cyo
> 


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>
> It's refreshing to see someone that's not content to sit on their laurels
and rehash their former
> glory (or worse yet, to keep playing the same old tired material from
20-30 years
> ago).

Thankfully, Fripp isn't playing anything from 'League of Gentleman' anymore.



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I had them fix my GK Bass head last year.  They do decent work, but they are very busy and take a long time to get to stuff.

   Kevin


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Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> There is no pop at the loop point in the Repeater, but a slight "dip"
> in the audio level, probably the sound of the cross fade working.  Much
> better than the "click" of the JamMan IMO.

My JamMan loops without any audible clicks.  Wondering if the symptom
develops depending on the conditions under which the JamMan/Repeater is
used in.

Matt




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Would anyone be interested in trading a DL4 plus cash(575.00) for a
Repeater plus card(128)plus footswitch plus ART-X15(75.00)
Scott

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Why not go for the RDS 8000? It sounds real purty and I think it is the same inside.
 Daryl  wrote:
Yeah, suddenly that's the going price. The one on Ebay went for $1600,
and some local dude around here is now asking for that for his. I've
given up, and am now setting my sights on the much more modest, but
still old-school fun, digitech pds-8000. I could buy nine or ten of 'em
for that!

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


> saw this listing on h-c:$1650! ouch! the barbara kruger (artist) motto
> should be changed to:"when i hear out of production looping tools, i
> get out mycheckbook".

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Why not go for the RDS 8000? It sounds real purty and I think it is the same inside.

 Daryl <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:


Yeah, suddenly that's the going price. The one on Ebay went for $1600,
and some local dude around here is now asking for that for his. I've
given up, and am now setting my sights on the much more modest, but
still old-school fun, digitech pds-8000. I could buy nine or ten of 'em
for that!

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


> saw this listing on h-c:$1650! ouch! the barbara kruger (artist) motto
> should be changed to:"when i hear out of production looping tools, i
> get out mycheckbook".

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It's not always there, but when synched to a midi clock I'd often get a
click.  Repeater had nothing to do with it.  I'd go months without hearing
it, but if I listend or didn't set up my levels right, it sure was there.
Not horrible, but there.  I think it was only when synched to a midi clock.

Mark Sottilaro

"Matthew F. McCabe" wrote:

> Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>
> > There is no pop at the loop point in the Repeater, but a slight "dip"
> > in the audio level, probably the sound of the cross fade working.  Much
> > better than the "click" of the JamMan IMO.
>
> My JamMan loops without any audible clicks.  Wondering if the symptom
> develops depending on the conditions under which the JamMan/Repeater is
> used in.
>
> Matt

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The MoogerFooger delay is highly recommended. I can make everything in my DL-4 sound *genuinely* analog, plus have true analog delays of any length up to the DL-4's max, by running the DL-4 in the effects loop, or using them in series. Together they become one, really fantastic delay pedal, more than the sum of it's constituents. Another one to check out is the SIB Echodrive. It has the exact same features as the MoogerFooger delay except for the FX loop, plus a tube, and it has 1 full second of delay (correct me if I'm wrong). The new "digital" version uses a karaoke chip, which sound just like analog, and really does sound better than the analog version. He changed designs because he liked it better that way, not because of bucket brigade availablility.

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The MoogerFooger delay is highly recommended. I can make everything in my DL-4 sound *genuinely* analog, plus have true analog delays of any length up to the DL-4's max, by running the DL-4 in the effects loop, or using them in series. Together they become one, really fantastic delay pedal, more than the sum of it's constituents. Another one to check out is the SIB Echodrive. It has the exact same features as the MoogerFooger delay except for the FX loop, plus a tube, and it has 1 full second of delay (correct me if I'm wrong). The new "digital" version uses a karaoke chip, which sound just like analog, and really does sound better than the analog version. He changed designs because he liked it better that way, not because of bucket brigade availablility.

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Quoting Butch :
> Thankfully, Fripp isn't playing anything from 'League of Gentleman'
> anymore.

that album is my primary tool in convincing the local Lo-Fi Indie Rock scene 
that Bob Fripp is cool. His whole New Wave era in New York was what convinced 
me that playing loop music at punk rawk shows was the way to go back when i 
figured there were no appropriate outlets for electronic music in good ol' 
Peoria IL.

generally, i put that album on when i have guests over at the studio and after 
the second track is over they ask me what it is they are listening too. i 
tell 'em it's the geetarist from King Crimson's new wave band and they 
inevitably ask me to put on some other stuff that he's done.

the only other album that works for that kind of prog rock evangelism is Red, 
and often i have to mention the Kurt Cobain connection for them to become 
interested. but with the LOG record, no such "sermon" is required for interest 
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>the only other album that works for that kind of prog rock evangelism is Red,
>and often i have to mention the Kurt Cobain connection for them to become
>interested. but with the LOG record, no such "sermon" is required for interest
>to pique.

Music nerd question: What is the Kurt Cobain connection with "Red"?

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Quoting Dave Trenkel :
> Music nerd question: What is the Kurt Cobain connection with "Red"?

he happened to have been listening to it alot before he died, and was planning 
on taking Nirvana in that direction.

i'm not really aware of more than that.

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I'd have to listen to it again (I have the LP format). But (and no offense
is meant) why does Fripp strike me as pretentious?

I will give the LP a listen, though.

Regards, Paul

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> Quoting Butch :
> > Thankfully, Fripp isn't playing anything from 'League of Gentleman'
> > anymore.
>
> that album is my primary tool in convincing the local Lo-Fi Indie Rock
scene
> that Bob Fripp is cool. His whole New Wave era in New York was what
convinced
> me that playing loop music at punk rawk shows was the way to go back when
i
> figured there were no appropriate outlets for electronic music in good ol'
> Peoria IL.
>
> generally, i put that album on when i have guests over at the studio and
after
> the second track is over they ask me what it is they are listening too. i
> tell 'em it's the geetarist from King Crimson's new wave band and they
> inevitably ask me to put on some other stuff that he's done.
>
> the only other album that works for that kind of prog rock evangelism is
Red,
> and often i have to mention the Kurt Cobain connection for them to become
> interested. but with the LOG record, no such "sermon" is required for
interest
> to pique.
>
> ---
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com
>
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<<>Which in turn has caused God to turn His back
on us and lifted His protection, thus allowing 
things like September 11 to happen. ;-) >>

Whose God(dess) are we talking about here
anyway?>>

I think you missed the point of my joke. After
September 11th, an American TV evangelist named
Jerry Falwell blamed the attacks on homosexuals
and feminists. He later claimed that he didn't
mean to say that the hijackers were gay or
feminists, but rather that because of people such
as homosexuals, feminists, and the ACLU, God
lifted his protection of America, and thusly, the
Sept 11 happened. 

My point was that I happen to feel that while it
may be possible that God was giving some kind
preferential treatment to the US over any other
nation in the world, I don't think he would have
"turned our backs on us" because the US is
starting to evolve beyond being a racist,
homophobic and sexist society (I didn't say we're
there yet, I'm just saying we're working towards
it). It's because we've allowed idiots like
Falwell and Pat Robertson to get on television
regularly and completely besmirch the good name
of Christianity in particular, and religion in
general. 

I repeat: my comment was a joke (which I think at
least one person caught)!!!! It wasn't meant as a
true statement about my spiritual beliefs! 

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joking aside;
'america' was NOT attacked.
two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of greed.    2. world's largest war machine
the real question is who ALL was involved, who is in a posistion to gain from the
attack ?

ignorance of your culture is not considered cool - residents

Chris Richards wrote:

> <<>Which in turn has caused God to turn His back
> on us and lifted His protection, thus allowing
> things like September 11 to happen. ;-) >>
>
> Whose God(dess) are we talking about here
> anyway?>>
>
> I think you missed the point of my joke. After
> September 11th, an American TV evangelist named
> Jerry Falwell blamed the attacks on homosexuals
> and feminists. He later claimed that he didn't
> mean to say that the hijackers were gay or
> feminists, but rather that because of people such
> as homosexuals, feminists, and the ACLU, God
> lifted his protection of America, and thusly, the
> Sept 11 happened.
>
> My point was that I happen to feel that while it
> may be possible that God was giving some kind
> preferential treatment to the US over any other
> nation in the world, I don't think he would have
> "turned our backs on us" because the US is
> starting to evolve beyond being a racist,
> homophobic and sexist society (I didn't say we're
> there yet, I'm just saying we're working towards
> it). It's because we've allowed idiots like
> Falwell and Pat Robertson to get on television
> regularly and completely besmirch the good name
> of Christianity in particular, and religion in
> general.
>
> I repeat: my comment was a joke (which I think at
> least one person caught)!!!! It wasn't meant as a
> true statement about my spiritual beliefs!
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
> "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones
>
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I bought mine from Musician's Friend in July.
definitely the new one.
I have 3 of the old ones...


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> Really?  The guy who DJ's with us pre ordered one and it seemed the 
> ship date kept getting pushed back.  I know they weren't in any stores 
> I saw until much later.  Are you sure you have the new one?  Does it 
> have a metal chassis?  My wife got me one for Christmas (the pagan 
> kind!), and it seemed as if they'd just come out.
> 
> Anyway, they do rock, but they are no secret.  I just played one of 
> Matt's shows (yes, I to am in Big City Orchestra) and we were pretty 
> much armed with a few tidbits and 4 KAOSS pads.  If they were small 
> enough I'd velcro one to my guitar!
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 09:38 PM, David wrote:
> 
> > Not that it really matters much, but the new KAOSS PAD came out back 
> > in June
> > or July - I've had mine since around then.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Sottilaro" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Korg Kaoss Pad (was ot: filter effects/alesis ineko?)
> >
> >
> >> this one just came out like in Dec.. or so but they've been talking
> >> about it for a long time.
> >>
> >> Mark Sottilaro
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote:
> >>
> >>> At 7:23 PM -0500 1/21/03, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I had played a bit with the original a few years back and was pretty
> >>>> unimpressed. YOW! The new one is really a trip.
> >>>
> >>> How new is this one?  I thought there was a newer model out last year
> >>> sometime.
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>> Richard Zvonar, PhD
> >>> (818) 788-2202
> >>> http://www.zvonar.com
> >>> http://RZCybernetics.com
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 

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are those your 'symbol's' definitions?

jg
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> joking aside;
> 'america' was NOT attacked.
> two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of greed.    2. world's largest war
machine
> the real question is who ALL was involved, who is in a posistion to gain
from the
> attack ?
>
> ignorance of your culture is not considered cool - residents
>
> Chris Richards wrote:
>
> > <<>Which in turn has caused God to turn His back
> > on us and lifted His protection, thus allowing
> > things like September 11 to happen. ;-) >>
> >
> > Whose God(dess) are we talking about here
> > anyway?>>
> >
> > I think you missed the point of my joke. After
> > September 11th, an American TV evangelist named
> > Jerry Falwell blamed the attacks on homosexuals
> > and feminists. He later claimed that he didn't
> > mean to say that the hijackers were gay or
> > feminists, but rather that because of people such
> > as homosexuals, feminists, and the ACLU, God
> > lifted his protection of America, and thusly, the
> > Sept 11 happened.
> >
> > My point was that I happen to feel that while it
> > may be possible that God was giving some kind
> > preferential treatment to the US over any other
> > nation in the world, I don't think he would have
> > "turned our backs on us" because the US is
> > starting to evolve beyond being a racist,
> > homophobic and sexist society (I didn't say we're
> > there yet, I'm just saying we're working towards
> > it). It's because we've allowed idiots like
> > Falwell and Pat Robertson to get on television
> > regularly and completely besmirch the good name
> > of Christianity in particular, and religion in
> > general.
> >
> > I repeat: my comment was a joke (which I think at
> > least one person caught)!!!! It wasn't meant as a
> > true statement about my spiritual beliefs!
> >
> > =====
> > May you never thirst!
> > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
> >
> > "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James
Earl Jones
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
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Nah, if they wanted to do that they should have...

1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out the buildings.  Hitting early 
/ mid morning winds up taking out facilities workers like dish washers.


2) If they were REALLY after "corporate greed" they would have taken out 
Delaware's captial or records hall







joking aside;
'america' was NOT attacked.
two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of greed.    2. world's largest war
machine
the real question is who ALL was involved, who is in a posistion to gain 
from
the
attack ?

ignorance of your culture is not considered cool - residents




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Hello all,
Been out of the loop for a while (ouch).  Just got my EDP Loop IV upgrade
and put it right in.  Now I have a performance coming up this Saturday with
my EDP synched to a Powerbook running Ableton Live and I can't seem to get
the ReAlign to work.  I'm trying to do it from the front panel with
Mute-Multiply and it just doesn't seem to be happening.  Perhaps I'm doing
it wrong?  I've tried all possible combos of pressing mute and holding it
down while pressing mult. or rather pressing mute letting go and then
pressing mult. in the lame duck period - stuff like that - still no
response.  What on earth does a guy have to do to realign his loop?
Thanks for any help!
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on 1/22/03 1:30 PM, Hans Lindauer at hans@ernieball.com wrote:

> Hans is also the creator of San Luis Obispo's
> annual LOOPSTOCK festival of loop-based music.

I'm still waiting for the announcement that would be the basis for calling
it "annual". ;-) (Actually, I'm waiting so that I can figure out my travel
schedule in the next few months.)

Mark

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Is this movie being shown in America? Just hit the
movie theaters here a couple of weeks a go and it
seems to be enjoying success in europe.
(Warning: patriots may not like it)
cheers





--- Doug Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Nah, if they wanted to do that they should have...
> 
> 1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out the
> buildings.  Hitting early 
> / mid morning winds up taking out facilities workers
> like dish washers.
> 
> 
> 2) If they were REALLY after "corporate greed" they
> would have taken out 
> Delaware's captial or records hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> joking aside;
> 'america' was NOT attacked.
> two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of greed.   
> 2. world's largest war
> machine
> the real question is who ALL was involved, who is in
> a posistion to gain 
> from
> the
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> 
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yup! had it's opening a few months ago

well recieved






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Is this movie being shown in America? Just hit the
movie theaters here a couple of weeks a go and it
seems to be enjoying success in europe.
(Warning: patriots may not like it)
cheers





--- Doug Johnson  wrote:
 >
 > Nah, if they wanted to do that they should have...
 >
 > 1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out the
 > buildings.  Hitting early
 > / mid morning winds up taking out facilities workers
 > like dish washers.
 >
 >
 > 2) If they were REALLY after "corporate greed" they
 > would have taken out
 > Delaware's captial or records hall
 >
 >
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 > two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of greed.
 > 2. world's largest war
 > machine
 > the real question is who ALL was involved, who is in
 > a posistion to gain
 > from
 > the
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----- Original Message -----
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>
> yup! had it's opening a few months ago
>
> well recieved

By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career as a professional
asshole with a camera, and not much else.  I liked the brief moments of
non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up occasionally on "TV Nation", but
that's about it.

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> Is this movie being shown in America? Just hit the
> movie theaters here a couple of weeks a go and it
> seems to be enjoying success in europe.
> (Warning: patriots may not like it)
> cheers
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Doug Johnson  wrote:
>  >
>  > Nah, if they wanted to do that they should have...
>  >
>  > 1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out the
>  > buildings.  Hitting early
>  > / mid morning winds up taking out facilities workers
>  > like dish washers.
>  >
>  >
>  > 2) If they were REALLY after "corporate greed" they
>  > would have taken out
>  > Delaware's captial or records hall
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > joking aside;
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>  > two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of greed.
>  > 2. world's largest war
>  > machine
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Eric
maybe you first need to disalign it to expérience the realign  :-)

an example of disalign (more loop:1) sample style:STA  Quantize off
use Nextloop on foot control to make stutter triggs (you desalign the
loop start point from the sequencer "1")
then press mute then multiply you should see the display "AL"
in your post you're talking lame duck period so you're quantized ------>
you didnt disalign ??

hope that helps

Claude

> Hello all,
> Been out of the loop for a while (ouch).  Just got my EDP Loop IV
upgrade
> and put it right in.  Now I have a performance coming up this Saturday
with
> my EDP synched to a Powerbook running Ableton Live and I can't seem to
get
> the ReAlign to work.  I'm trying to do it from the front panel with
> Mute-Multiply and it just doesn't seem to be happening.  Perhaps I'm
doing
> it wrong?  I've tried all possible combos of pressing mute and holding
it
> down while pressing mult. or rather pressing mute letting go and then
> pressing mult. in the lame duck period - stuff like that - still no
> response.  What on earth does a guy have to do to realign his loop?
> Thanks for any help!
> e o
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
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> >
> > It's refreshing to see someone that's not content to sit on their
laurels
> and rehash their former
> > glory (or worse yet, to keep playing the same old tired material from
> 20-30 years
> > ago).
>
> Thankfully, Fripp isn't playing anything from 'League of Gentleman'
anymore.

What?  RF hasn't played any of the cutting-edge pieces from "The League of
Gentlemen" since touring 70 venues with that band in 1980 or 81.  I remember
being at the show in Asbury Park's Fast Lane and thinking, "This is
IMPORTANT!" - and I'm sorry there weren't any more works in that regard.  I
also remember the crap corporate rock that was being foisted on people back
then, and still think of TLoG as a gem in the midst of it.  I guess it ain't
for everyone, judging by the above.

Even without the multiple collisions I had with Mr Fripp that night, I say
that it was a breath of fresh air, and I'm sorry there isn't more of it.

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I forgot to mention that you get out of the error message by pressing 
PARAMETER, so you are just loosing the MIDI content, but audio goes 
on.




>Makes sense- I have a new Slidemate controller that is sending loads of NRPN
>data on a different channel- but I guess the EDP doesen't want it anyway-

yes, it does not matter whether the data is for the EDP or on some 
other channel. Since the processor is heavily ocupied with sound, we 
unfortunately cannot do the piping in "real-time" so a long compact 
string overloads the input buffer at some point.
The buffer is 4k big and I could have made it bigger - which would 
not really solve the problem...

>I'll have to reconfigure my midi routing.

this will solve the problem. Sorry for that.
Matthias

>Thanks-
>
>Cliff
>
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>
>>  >I can't seem to locate info on what this message means on my Loop IV EDP-
>>  >"Nid"
>>  >
>>  >Anyone know?
>>  >
>>  >Cliff
>>
>>  probably its Midi (hard to show on 7 seg display)
>>  It happens when there is an overload of the MIDI input buffer,
>>  usually caused by some MIDI feedback or some equipment that sends
>>  thousands of Off commands at starting up or panic.
>>  does that make sense, or did you have some other problem?
>>  --
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>--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
>
>>  Its the biggest problem I have when playing with Giba: Even without
>>  monitors, my guitar leaks a little into his mikes, so when I stop my
>>  loop to build a new one onto his ongoing percussion groove, it still
>>  goes on in his loop and I am not really free to do something totally
>>  different.
>>  When will I have time to care for "electric percussion" instruments...?
>
>Perhaps this could be resolved by adding piezo or ribbon type 
>transducers to his
>percussion items instead of using mics?

yes, thats what I am dreaming of for a while. We have been talking 
about it before, here. It works with solid instruments, but I dont 
have a method to pick up skins yet. Maybe very close miking would be 
sufficient? Its amazing what Marcus Suzano and others do with the 
Pandeiro, with a inserted tiny mic!

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>>lower the clock speed (changes sampling rate and will restrict the frequency 
response, it might also start sounding "grainy")<<

I did this to one of the boss half-rack units- I think it started life as the pitch-shifter delay (which has the freeze function via a footswitch socket on the back). the distortion comes from aliasing; the sampling rate is reduced into the audible part of the spectrum and the filters don't track that low. I quite like the effect.

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--- Butch  wrote:
> why does Fripp strike me as pretentious?

His overbearing penchant for didactic pedantry, maybe?

Actually, I also think that much of the time he's
playing up to the persona he's created over the years,
and there's a degree of tongue in his cheek... Maybe.

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Greg House wrote:

>  It's refreshing
> to see someone that's not content to sit on their laurels and rehash their former
> glory (or worse yet, to keep playing the same old tired material from 20-30 years
> ago). It might be what the audience wants (or thinks they want), but I can't
> imagine it would be satisfying to the musician.

After a Tom Paxton concert, I thanked him for performing songs from his first album
even though it was thirty years old.  He responded, "I'm from Oklahoma.  We believe
you dance with the one that brought you."

Jethro Tull still does "Aqualung" and "Locomotive Breath" every show.  They damn well
better. (-8

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> >  It's refreshing
> > to see someone that's not content to sit on their laurels and rehash
their former
> > glory (or worse yet, to keep playing the same old tired material from
20-30 years
> > ago). It might be what the audience wants (or thinks they want), but I
can't
> > imagine it would be satisfying to the musician.
>
> After a Tom Paxton concert, I thanked him for performing songs from his
first album
> even though it was thirty years old.  He responded, "I'm from Oklahoma.
We believe
> you dance with the one that brought you."
>
> Jethro Tull still does "Aqualung" and "Locomotive Breath" every show.
They damn well
> better. (-8

It's not whether somebody performs old material or not.  It's whether they
do it with passion or just go through the motions.

When you dig in a mine, you might first be after only gold.  When the gold
is exhausted, you can start a new mine, perhaps looking for the same ore
again.  Or you can change your vision and find many other things of value in
the same old mine.  But you don't want to stay in the same old mine simply
because it's a comfortable place.  Then it becomes merely a hole in the
ground.

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Hi Bill,
the same thing happen to me and i was lucky to have my
repeater replaced since it was only a week old!But i
am nervous if it shall happen again i don´t know
anybody who is repairing this things in europe and my
warranty is already out
may the lord be with all repeater owners!
L.a









--- astroblue  wrote:
>       Condor Electronics
>       125 N 36th St
>       Seattle, WA 98103
>       206-633-5190
> 
> 
> I talked to them a few weeks ago about repairing a
> reverb and they were
> about 6 weeks backed up.
> 
> Bob
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William R. Walker," 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:49 PM
> Subject: Repeater repair.
> 
> 
> > Would someone be so kind as to shoot me the
> address,phone # and or e-mail
> > address for Condor electronics or who ever it is
> who can still repair
> these
> > things. My power supply has taken a dump and if it
> weren't for the
> > generosity of my brother, and the generous soul
> who gave him an extra
> power
> > supply, I'd be up shit creek minus the proverbial
> paddle. My repeater did
> > exhibit a disturbing characteristic before, and
> once after the power
> supply
> > went down (once I used the new one). I wasn't
> getting any input single
> even
> > though it would be in record mode. Not even any
> input indicator light
> > flashing. Also if I tried to play a pre recorded
> loop. I'd get level
> > indicator lights on the various tracks, but no
> output. Non, Nada, zip
> > zero,. After I switched power supplies it did the
> input signal crash after
> > about an hour or so, but a reboot got it back up
> and running. Still
> though,
> > it freaked me out big time. I feel like we(RPTR
> users) are all living on
> > borrowed time with these devices. I wish IVL would
>  place at least one
> more
> > order for these power supplies, or make the
> supplier known to the various
> > looper web sights so we could take matters in to
> our own hands and try to
> > collectively build a substantial enough order to
> make it worth there
> while.
> > This may be naive of me but I'll bet there are
> several hundred if not a
> few
> > thousand people with these things that would like
> to be able to use them
> > for a few years and want a spare power supply or
> two or three. I guess I'm
> > just going to have to pony up and spend inflated
> $'s to buy a RPTR off of
> > E-Bay, just to get at the power supply. I don't
> know about you but this
> > makes be seethe. Time to buy an EDP I guess.
> > Bill Walker
> >
> >
> 


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Has anybody used the Philip Rees MM5 MIDI foot controller? It was discontinued
in 1999. 

I am interested because I am blind (I've got a small amount of eye sight) but
all the MIDI Foot Controllers I've seen that are currently available have two
rows of foot switches (Roland, Yamaha, Digitech, Zoom,Behringer, Rocktron...)
which are too close together for me to hit accurately.

I want it for controlling a looper, , sound modules and drum machine and fx
units.

The Phil Rees model had just one row of 5 well-spaced foot switches. Unless I
hear anything off-puttingly negative about them, I'm looking for a secondhand
model. Any comments would be helpful. I think that the recommended price was
£199 new so they probably went for less than that? and now secondhand??
Thanks.

Ian.



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Hello,

Recently I purchased a Philips CD Burner, that hooks up like a CD player to my home audio system (as opposed to a CD-ROM drive). I use it to make music CD-Rs. The instructions specify that I should use only DIGITAL AUDIO/RECORDABLE CD-R, not just recordable CD-Rs. [Question one: Is this the difference between AUDIO CD-Rs and DATA (or MEDIA) CD-Rs?] 

Some of the DIGITAL AUDIO/RECORDABLE CD-Rs, however, don't work well on my other CD players. The Maxells don't work; Memorex work, but often the music gets thready after repeat plays, and about 1 or 2 out of 10 can't record past track 8. The Sony also work, and seem to be more reliable than the Memorex. [Question 2: why do some CD-Rs sound thready after repeat play? This, by the way, happens on my car stereo.]

Question 3: How do I find the best CD-R manufacturer(s), for this burner as well as for playing on my other CD players? I'd like to try Philips brand, but can't find them (at least, not the DIGITAL AUDIO/RECORDABLE CD-Rs that I need). I haven't tried TDK or Fuji. Should I? Question 4: And does the color make a difference with this type of burner, and – if so -- which manufacturer and which color should I buy?

Quesiton 5: Last question! Where's the best place(s) to buy the disks? I've been frequenting Best Buy, but I'm not sure I'm getting the best deal.

Thank you!
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Glad to have helped stir this discussion of RF and his work.  His tongue
knows the cheek well--he told us one of their (GuitarCraft?) sayings is,
"Humour is not allowed."
I have to check out more of his seminal looping works--I have not pursued
his career, but I rather liked his work on "Sacred Songs" by Daryl Hall and
of course the early Crimson stuff is wonderful.
Gary

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--- Butch  wrote:
> why does Fripp strike me as pretentious?

His overbearing penchant for didactic pedantry, maybe?

Actually, I also think that much of the time he's
playing up to the persona he's created over the years,
and there's a degree of tongue in his cheek... Maybe.

-t-

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On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, someone wrote:

> > >  It's refreshing
> > > to see someone that's not content to sit on their laurels and rehash
> their former
> > > glory (or worse yet, to keep playing the same old tired material from
> 20-30 years
> > > ago). It might be what the audience wants (or thinks they want), but I
> can't
> > > imagine it would be satisfying to the musician.

I've seen Warren Zevon play several times: he gets requests to play 
"Werewolves of London" every. single. show., and has remarked he's awfully 
tired of that song. 

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I never saw the movie, but the reviews seeemed favorable.

I enjoyed the Flint Michigan movie





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 >
 > yup! had it's opening a few months ago
 >
 > well recieved

By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career as a professional
asshole with a camera, and not much else.  I liked the brief moments of
non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up occasionally on "TV Nation", but
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>
>
>Moore's made a great career as a professional
>asshole with a camera, and not much else.  
>
-> americas mirror is an asshole - nice picture.

//rj


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Yeah, me to! What's up Hans?

In a message dated 1/22/03 11:47:30 PM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:

>> annual LOOPSTOCK festival of loop-based music.
>
>I'm still waiting for the announcement that would be 
>the basis for calling it "annual".

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> >
> >
> >Moore's made a great career as a professional
> >asshole with a camera, and not much else.  
> >
> -> americas mirror is an asshole - nice picture.

That says more about your viewpoint than anything else, doesn't it?

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--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
> >--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
> >
> >>  Its the biggest problem I have when playing with Giba: Even without
> >>  monitors, my guitar leaks a little into his mikes, so when I stop my
> >>  loop to build a new one onto his ongoing percussion groove, it still
> >>  goes on in his loop and I am not really free to do something totally
> >>  different.
> >>  When will I have time to care for "electric percussion" instruments...?
> >
> >Perhaps this could be resolved by adding piezo or ribbon type 
> >transducers to his
> >percussion items instead of using mics?
> 
> yes, thats what I am dreaming of for a while. We have been talking 
> about it before, here. It works with solid instruments, but I dont 
> have a method to pick up skins yet. Maybe very close miking would be 
> sufficient? Its amazing what Marcus Suzano and others do with the 
> Pandeiro, with a inserted tiny mic!

Luthiers have been using internal condenser mics in guitars for several years.
Many people believe these sound better then under-the-saddle piezos. I'd bet the
same type mic could be used inside other instruments as well.

The ribbon transducers might also work, since they don't depend on pressure to
pick up the sound.

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--- Tim Nelson  wrote:
> --- Butch  wrote:
> > why does Fripp strike me as pretentious?
> 
> His overbearing penchant for didactic pedantry, maybe?
> 
> Actually, I also think that much of the time he's
> playing up to the persona he's created over the years,
> and there's a degree of tongue in his cheek... Maybe.

My personal feel is that a big part of that is his inherent "British-ness". I've
observed that British authors tend to use a more formal, and more widely varied
vocabulary then most of what's pumped out of the USA the last 20-30 years. If
someone speaks with a large vocabulary, it seems people here presume them to be
pompous or arrogant, whether that's the case or not. 

Beyond that, it would appear that many of us have lost our ability to discern
humor, especially when dryly presented. I can't presume to know what he actually
intended, but I often laugh when I read things Robert Fripp has said. They strike
me as being dryly humorous. I -think- that's often what he meant.

Plus, the written word is easily misunderstood without the other cues such as
inflection, facial expression, and body language. I've listened to some of Robert
Fripp's spoken material (marketed by his sister Patricia) and he came across as a
pleasant, funny, humble man, someone who I would enjoy spending an evening in
conversation with. Now, I understand from reading some of his old diary entries
that he appreciates his time alone and doesn't like having it invaded, especially
by inconsiderate and demanding people. It's amazing what we put "celebritys"
through. It's surprising that there aren't more of them that are viewed as
"difficult people".

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'Pick-up the world'  makes pretty cool 'polymer film pickups', which I think
is essentially a 'ribbon transducer(?).

At one time they sold a 2-conga system outfitted with their pickups and a
preamp. They no longer mention that on their site, but it seems that their
pickups would be a good solution. I have one inside my acoustic guitar, in
combination with an internal akg mic. The film pickup is fairly similar to
the mic in terms of sound, including microphonic vibration artifacts
(picking up bumps and taps)

http://www.pick-uptheworld.com/

Bob



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>
> --- Matthias Grob  wrote:
> > >--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Its the biggest problem I have when playing with Giba: Even without
> > >>  monitors, my guitar leaks a little into his mikes, so when I stop my
> > >>  loop to build a new one onto his ongoing percussion groove, it still
> > >>  goes on in his loop and I am not really free to do something totally
> > >>  different.
> > >>  When will I have time to care for "electric percussion"
instruments...?
> > >
> > >Perhaps this could be resolved by adding piezo or ribbon type
> > >transducers to his
> > >percussion items instead of using mics?
> >
> > yes, thats what I am dreaming of for a while. We have been talking
> > about it before, here. It works with solid instruments, but I dont
> > have a method to pick up skins yet. Maybe very close miking would be
> > sufficient? Its amazing what Marcus Suzano and others do with the
> > Pandeiro, with a inserted tiny mic!
>
> Luthiers have been using internal condenser mics in guitars for several
years.
> Many people believe these sound better then under-the-saddle piezos. I'd
bet the
> same type mic could be used inside other instruments as well.
>
> The ribbon transducers might also work, since they don't depend on
pressure to
> pick up the sound.
>
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I've had pretty good results using inexpensive lavalier type mics 
mounted to the inside of frame drums and some other percussion 
instruments that I like to play very quietly (other musicians seem to 
like it when I play rhythm very quietly too :-). The most fun I had 
was with an amercian frame drum, I put four mics inside, for the four 
directions, and panned them into a quad P.A. (of course applying way 
too much signal processing too). Brushing and tapping around the 
perimeter of the drum sounded like a storm building on the horizon.

I've used the Radio Shack lavaliers (about $25), and also the little 
Panasonic electret elements that you can buy from Digikey for just a 
couple dollars, and there's even a circuit diagram in their catalog. 
I'd recommend that a very rich person try out a set of Sanken 
lavaliers (and send them to me if they don't like them ;-).

-Alex S.


At 8:52 AM -0800 1/23/03, Greg House wrote:
>--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
>>  >--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>  Its the biggest problem I have when playing with Giba: Even without
>>  >>  monitors, my guitar leaks a little into his mikes, so when I stop my
>>  >>  loop to build a new one onto his ongoing percussion groove, it still
>>  >>  goes on in his loop and I am not really free to do something totally
>>  >>  different.
>>  >>  When will I have time to care for "electric percussion" instruments...?
>>  >
>>  >Perhaps this could be resolved by adding piezo or ribbon type
>>  >transducers to his
>>  >percussion items instead of using mics?
>>
>>  yes, thats what I am dreaming of for a while. We have been talking
>>  about it before, here. It works with solid instruments, but I dont
>>  have a method to pick up skins yet. Maybe very close miking would be
>>  sufficient? Its amazing what Marcus Suzano and others do with the
>>  Pandeiro, with a inserted tiny mic!
>
>Luthiers have been using internal condenser mics in guitars for several years.
>Many people believe these sound better then under-the-saddle piezos. 
>I'd bet the
>same type mic could be used inside other instruments as well.
>
>The ribbon transducers might also work, since they don't depend on pressure to
>pick up the sound.
>
>Greg
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At 10:01 AM +0000 1/23/03, S.P. Goodman wrote:

>  > well recieved
>
>By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career as a professional
>asshole with a camera, and not much else.

That was my impression until I actually saw "Roger and ME' (his 
documentary about General Motors and Moore's home town Flint, 
Michigan).

I say, "Right on, Michael!"
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I find it somewhat surprising that Robert Fripp's dry humor and genuine
distaste for the spotlight riles up everyone's qwerty keyboard skills, while
mention of an artist whose response to fame was to fire a shotgun to his own
head is passed on. By most accounts, Kurt's respons(es) is so common as to
be considered normal, hardly worth mention, while RF's is considered some
kind of personal affront. How dare he not sign this album! How dare he avoid
interviews! How dare he use large words!
    Let us please reverse this trend.
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PS  Dennis wrote: "...you don't want to stay in the same old mine simply
because it's a comfortable place.  Then it becomes merely a hole in the
ground."
    Brilliant!


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> > >--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Its the biggest problem I have when playing
> with Giba: Even without
> > >>  monitors, my guitar leaks a little into his
> mikes....

K&K  has a
number of transducers that are supposed to work well
with various types of drums. I haven't had the best of
luck with such applications, but I love them for
stringed acoustic instruments... (I tried a Hot Spot
on a bodhran, but couldn't find the best spot to
balance tone and output; the only place it was
sufficiently loud was actually touching the head, and
that interfered with the sound. When it was on the
frame, it sounded much better but even a preamp didn't
give it enough ooomph to loop live.)

-t-

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"Bowling for Columbine" is Moore's most mature and thoughtful work.  I
recommend it highly, even if just for the way it raises the question of
why Canada has more guns per capita than the U.S., yet a tiny fraction of
its violent crime.

Any canadians on the list?  Do you lock your front door?

Daryl Shawn
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wow, that's a lot of questions. i'll answer what i can. i have a 
philips cdr 775. i've been using memorex cdr-da's, and they have 
worked fine. recorded up to 79 min of my music material, and from the 
140 cd's i've sent out, only one friend told me his didn't play in 
his system.  i did just buy a bulk (50) amt
of maxell cdr-da's just to try them out (got them for 14$ at SAM's 
club). good news, i did just check the memorex website and see that 
the memorex cdr da's i've been buying are down to 14$ online (maybe 
best buy will drop their prices on them also?)

there is a difference between the digital audio and data disks, i'm 
not a techie, so don't know specifics, but if you put a data disk in 
the cd recorder, it will give some message saying "not correct disk" 
or something. the bummer thing is that the digital audio discs cost 
more than data discs. you can get the data disks for nothing 
(practically), cdr da's were in the 24$ range (in IA), but since 
xmas, i've seen them come down.

i was told by best buy guy when i bought mine that memorex was 
"best", they've worked for me. but i will try the maxell's i got for 
comparison. on the stand alone cd recorders make sure that you 
"finalize" the disc, if not it won't play anywhere. my guess is the 
discs you make that don't play in other systems that maybe older cd 
players aren't as "compatible"? i had an old cd player that wouldn't 
play any music burned to data discs.

whoops, quiting time, i'll send more tomorrow.....
s---


>Hello,
>
>Recently I purchased a Philips CD Burner, that hooks up like a CD 
>player to my home audio system (as opposed to a CD-ROM drive). I use 
>it to make music CD-Rs. The instructions specify that I should use 
>only DIGITAL AUDIO/RECORDABLE CD-R, not just recordable CD-Rs. 
>[Question one: Is this the difference between AUDIO CD-Rs and DATA 
>(or MEDIA) CD-Rs?]
>
>Some of the DIGITAL AUDIO/RECORDABLE CD-Rs, however, don't work well 
>on my other CD players. The Maxells don't work; Memorex work, but 
>often the music gets thready after repeat plays, and about 1 or 2 
>out of 10 can't record past track 8. The Sony also work, and seem to 
>be more reliable than the Memorex. [Question 2: why do some CD-Rs 
>sound thready after repeat play? This, by the way, happens on my car 
>stereo.]
>
>Question 3: How do I find the best CD-R manufacturer(s), for this 
>burner as well as for playing on my other CD players? I'd like to 
>try Philips brand, but can't find them (at least, not the DIGITAL 
>AUDIO/RECORDABLE CD-Rs that I need). I haven't tried TDK or Fuji. 
>Should I? Question 4: And does the color make a difference with this 
>type of burner, and – if so -- which manufacturer and which color 
>should I buy?
>
>Quesiton 5: Last question! Where's the best place(s) to buy the 
>disks? I've been frequenting Best Buy, but I'm not sure I'm getting 
>the best deal.
>
>Thank you!
>Sue
>
>
>
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> can't you just set synch=in on the "slave" boxes?
>  

Uh.....yes!
Just tried it(with 2 EDPs only though)
Works with Loop4.
...anyone got this working with multiple units?

I don't  think so with Loop3 though.
In Loop3 time I remember Kim (maybe Matthias) patiently explaining how
brothersync puts the EDPs (and hence musicians) on an 
equal footing, so both units had to be sync=Out.
I guess Matthias fixed this in loop4.

andy butler

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--- Scott Hansen  wrote:

> there is a difference between the digital audio and data disks, i'm 
> not a techie, so don't know specifics, but if you put a data disk in 
> the cd recorder, it will give some message saying "not correct disk" 
> or something. the bummer thing is that the digital audio discs cost 
> more than data discs. you can get the data disks for nothing 
> (practically), cdr da's were in the 24$ range (in IA), but since 
> xmas, i've seen them come down.

The regular CD-R disks are data disks, but can also burn audio CDs, provided you
have the proper equipment. The AUDIO CD-R disks are for use in "consumer audio cd
recorders" (like the Phillips). The difference has something to do with a special
header on them of some sort, it's a bogus distinction put there purely for the
differentiation between "consumer audio" and "pro audio" or "data". Kind of like
the SCMS copy protection scheme which was foisted upon us with DAT. 

> >Recently I purchased a Philips CD Burner, that hooks up like a CD 
> >player to my home audio system (as opposed to a CD-ROM drive). I use 
> >it to make music CD-Rs. The instructions specify that I should use 
> >only DIGITAL AUDIO/RECORDABLE CD-R, not just recordable CD-Rs. 
> >[Question one: Is this the difference between AUDIO CD-Rs and DATA 
> >(or MEDIA) CD-Rs?]

Yes, there's a difference. Something your drive can read to tell it that you put
in an "Audio" disc (the the appropriate RIAA media taxes paid, etc). Just another
way of screwing you, basically.

Greg

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> ... The most fun I had 
> was with an amercian frame drum, I put four mics inside, for the four 
> directions, and panned them into a quad P.A. (of course applying way 
> too much signal processing too). Brushing and tapping around the 
> perimeter of the drum sounded like a storm building on the horizon.
> ...

Good to hear from you again, Alex!

You have inspired me with your quad frame-drum idea!  This I've got to try!

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Hi guys,
While we are on the Cd subject can you guys recomend a
good brand of Cds to have my final master project
recorded? what Cd brands do pro studios use?
thanx
L.a


--- Greg House  wrote:
> --- Scott Hansen  wrote:
> 
> > there is a difference between the digital audio
> and data disks, i'm 
> > not a techie, so don't know specifics, but if you
> put a data disk in 
> > the cd recorder, it will give some message saying
> "not correct disk" 
> > or something. the bummer thing is that the digital
> audio discs cost 
> > more than data discs. you can get the data disks
> for nothing 
> > (practically), cdr da's were in the 24$ range (in
> IA), but since 
> > xmas, i've seen them come down.
> 
> The regular CD-R disks are data disks, but can also
> burn audio CDs, provided you
> have the proper equipment. The AUDIO CD-R disks are
> for use in "consumer audio cd
> recorders" (like the Phillips). The difference has
> something to do with a special
> header on them of some sort, it's a bogus
> distinction put there purely for the
> differentiation between "consumer audio" and "pro
> audio" or "data". Kind of like
> the SCMS copy protection scheme which was foisted
> upon us with DAT. 
> 
> > >Recently I purchased a Philips CD Burner, that
> hooks up like a CD 
> > >player to my home audio system (as opposed to a
> CD-ROM drive). I use 
> > >it to make music CD-Rs. The instructions specify
> that I should use 
> > >only DIGITAL AUDIO/RECORDABLE CD-R, not just
> recordable CD-Rs. 
> > >[Question one: Is this the difference between
> AUDIO CD-Rs and DATA 
> > >(or MEDIA) CD-Rs?]
> 
> Yes, there's a difference. Something your drive can
> read to tell it that you put
> in an "Audio" disc (the the appropriate RIAA media
> taxes paid, etc). Just another
> way of screwing you, basically.
> 
> Greg
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Is it true that it was prohibited in the Beginning in
America?
I think every american should see this movie i,ve
lived in both continents and there is a lot of truth
in it.
Check it out
cheers



> 
> "Bowling for Columbine" is Moore's most mature and
> thoughtful work.  I
> recommend it highly, even if just for the way it
> raises the question of
> why Canada has more guns per capita than the U.S.,
> yet a tiny fraction of
> its violent crime.
> 
> Any canadians on the list?  Do you lock your front
> door?
> 
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
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While I haven't seen the film - I'm sure I will.  I generally like the guy's 
film style

These films are always politically charged and people's reaction to these 
tend to be more about the issues than the film itself and people want to put 
you in one camp or the other - which is sort of lame.

Difficult issues are just that, difficult

Colorado is a funny place (lived there for a number of years) - Paladin 
Press lives alongside IMBA.

I think that people should ride their bikes more than drive.  I also think 
that people should learn to properly sling-support their rilfe, especially 
when shooting off-hand










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At 10:01 AM +0000 1/23/03, S.P. Goodman wrote:

>  > well recieved
>
>By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career as a professional
>asshole with a camera, and not much else.

That was my impression until I actually saw "Roger and ME' (his documentary 
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sue.....i use maxell CD-R "MUSIC" 74.....i get them at BEST BUY but i saw a 
better deal a OFFICE DEPOT.....i have no problem playing these on other units 
and i do not get the degredation that you mentioned.....michael

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and another Philips thing: my unit began to get weird, would not read CDs and 
would play "SHUFFLE" and it became progressively harder to dupe cds.....i 
thought the machine had gone south on me.....my #1 son "ian" lent me his cd 
cleaning disk and this seemed to fix up the problem.....michael

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Not banned that'd be pretty flagrant 1st amendment abridgement.

A few theatre chains opted to carry it, their perogative and probably wise 
business not to get in the middle


Both continents? aren't there 6 inhabited ones?







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Is it true that it was prohibited in the Beginning in
America?
I think every american should see this movie i,ve
lived in both continents and there is a lot of truth
in it.
Check it out
cheers



 >
 > "Bowling for Columbine" is Moore's most mature and
 > thoughtful work.  I
 > recommend it highly, even if just for the way it
 > raises the question of
 > why Canada has more guns per capita than the U.S.,
 > yet a tiny fraction of
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I haven'tt ecperienced any media related problems like that at long as the 
media was of REASONABLE quality (I've had a few problems with the ultra 
bargain generic 1,000,000 on a spindle for $10 ones, but that was just plain 
bad quality)







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sue.....i use maxell CD-R "MUSIC" 74.....i get them at BEST BUY but i 
saw a
better deal a OFFICE DEPOT.....i have no problem playing these on other 
units
and i do not get the degredation that you mentioned.....michael


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I don't think so. They played it up bigtime on NPR around last summer. I heard an
interview with the director on there at the time. I don't remember him saying
anything about having trouble releasing it. 


--- Louie Angulo  wrote:
> Is it true that it was prohibited in the Beginning in
> America?
> I think every american should see this movie i,ve
> lived in both continents and there is a lot of truth
> in it.


> > "Bowling for Columbine" is Moore's most mature and
> > thoughtful work.  

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Quoting Tim Nelson :
> and there's a degree of tongue in his cheek... Maybe.

anyone with the Giles Giles & Fripp album knows this to be true, with 
no 'maybe's.

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Mr Monk

Here is a quick and dirty of a system that should give you (memory man) 
tones with longer delay times.

Note : it's not ESSENTIAL to have the mixes at 100% - but for test purposes 
it's good.  Remember that the only real essential is to have the FBACK of 
both delays at 0% (it won't hurt anything to have it higher, but you'll get 
a multitap sound - if you just want simple delays keep them at zero)

The number of echos will now be controlled through the mixer
and remember, if you want dry signal THROUGH the delays (as opposed to on 
another channel) BOTH mixes will have to be upped


Here is a sample config through a mixer


Mixer Aux A --> Analog Delay Input
Analog Delay Output ---> digital delay Input
Digital Delay Output ----> channel 1 input

Channel 1's Aux A feed will control your regen (number of echos)

To add the effect to any channel, simply feed to Aux A

Channel 1's LEVEL will control eho volume

Note : this assumes your aux is prefade








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can you add another bucket brigade to a memory man? is there a tech who will 
do this?


On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 04:45 PM, James Winger wrote:

>DOD had one (FX96) at about 500ms.  It used a single 3005.
>
>Funny thing, I had one and would run it on this really poorly regulated 
>supply...it must have altered the clock as it would pump out delays of well 
>over a second
>Note : what came out was very weird, it was an echo -- but it was very 
>distorted (not overdrive / clipping distorted or simply low-frequency from 
>the slow clock)
>
>you've got a couple of options I guess - chain 2 BBD's together (you'll get 
>some loss from twice the buckets)
>
>lower the clock speed (changes sampling rate and will restrict the 
>frequency response, it might also start sounding "grainy")
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>does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay?  i'm thinking about 
>trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just curious. i'm 
>of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely priced EH 16sec 
>delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the ubiquitous DL4 and 
>although i do like it, the memory man is the least realistic of all the 
>delays IMHO...
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> By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career
> as a professional
> asshole with a camera, and not much else.  

i've always seen him as a defender of the people.  his
actions in making the film helped to pull bullets of
the shelves of the retail giant, kmart.

> I liked
> the brief moments of
> non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up
> occasionally on "TV Nation", but
> that's about it.
> 

tv nation was a brilliant show, but whether you are a
moore fan or not, you should see this
movie...especially if you are an american.  if nothing
else, it can help you to understand the reason why
americans have such a miserable stereo-type worldwide.
 it may not give any of the right answers to solving
america's violence problems, but it sure asks the
right questions.

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> > Is this movie being shown in America? Just hit the
> > movie theaters here a couple of weeks a go and it
> > seems to be enjoying success in europe.
> > (Warning: patriots may not like it)
> > cheers
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> >  > Nah, if they wanted to do that they should
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> >  >
> >  > 1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out
> the
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> >  > / mid morning winds up taking out facilities
> workers
> >  > like dish washers.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > 2) If they were REALLY after "corporate greed"
> they
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> >  >
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> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
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> >  >
> >  > joking aside;
> >  > 'america' was NOT attacked.
> >  > two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of
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> >  > 2. world's largest war
> >  > machine
> >  > the real question is who ALL was involved, who
> is in
> >  > a posistion to gain
> >  > from
> >  > the
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thanks, i'm familiar with the process ( i mostly produce records for a 
living and i own a biggi-sh recording studio...) but what i'm after is 
the ability to have a smaller pedal that i can step on a button and 
have that "thing" that the memory man has, but longer.  i should 
probably just deal with the sound of the DL4 and forget it. for live 
stuff i'm looking for that sound and vibe AND portability.

but thanks for putting all that effort into your response. i do 
appreciate it.


monk



On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 02:23 PM, James Winger wrote:

> Mr Monk
>
> Here is a quick and dirty of a system that should give you (memory 
> man) tones with longer delay times.
>
> Note : it's not ESSENTIAL to have the mixes at 100% - but for test 
> purposes it's good.  Remember that the only real essential is to have 
> the FBACK of both delays at 0% (it won't hurt anything to have it 
> higher, but you'll get a multitap sound - if you just want simple 
> delays keep them at zero)
>
> The number of echos will now be controlled through the mixer
> and remember, if you want dry signal THROUGH the delays (as opposed to 
> on another channel) BOTH mixes will have to be upped
>
>
> Here is a sample config through a mixer
>
>
> Mixer Aux A --> Analog Delay Input
> Analog Delay Output ---> digital delay Input
> Digital Delay Output ----> channel 1 input
>
> Channel 1's Aux A feed will control your regen (number of echos)
>
> To add the effect to any channel, simply feed to Aux A
>
> Channel 1's LEVEL will control eho volume
>
> Note : this assumes your aux is prefade
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> can you add another bucket brigade to a memory man? is there a tech 
> who will do this?
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 04:45 PM, James Winger wrote:
>
>> DOD had one (FX96) at about 500ms.  It used a single 3005.
>>
>> Funny thing, I had one and would run it on this really poorly 
>> regulated supply...it must have altered the clock as it would pump 
>> out delays of well over a second
>> Note : what came out was very weird, it was an echo -- but it was 
>> very distorted (not overdrive / clipping distorted or simply 
>> low-frequency from the slow clock)
>>
>> you've got a couple of options I guess - chain 2 BBD's together 
>> (you'll get some loss from twice the buckets)
>>
>> lower the clock speed (changes sampling rate and will restrict the 
>> frequency response, it might also start sounding "grainy")
>>
>>
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>> does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay?  i'm thinking 
>> about trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just 
>> curious. i'm of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely 
>> priced EH 16sec delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the 
>> ubiquitous DL4 and although i do like it, the memory man is the least 
>> realistic of all the delays IMHO...
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> I repeat: my comment was a joke (which I think at
> least one person caught)!!!! It wasn't meant as a
> true statement about my spiritual beliefs! 

as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
nothing at all funny about september 11th...and there
will never be anything funny about it.

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I'd use EMTEC 
blanks: 
http://products.emtec-group.com/en/en/Professional_Media/Studio/Audio/Cd_R_Master/

One of their guys gave a talk at the TapeOp conference last spring, and it 
was apparent that they've done their homework.  EMTEC seems to have a good 
reputation among audio professionals.

-Hans


At 10:17 23/01/2003, you wrote:
>Hi guys,
>While we are on the Cd subject can you guys recomend a
>good brand of Cds to have my final master project
>recorded? what Cd brands do pro studios use?
>thanx
>L.a


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no prob

In that case, I wouldn't try to mod the mem-man engine

just get a Loop but in (just pre the feedback splitter)
Then patch in a Boss pedal or something
Same system, just using the Mem Man's internal controls.

You might be able to do the mod to the digital instead - then you wouldn't 
have to mod your mem man

You could always to it with the feedback loop on the Older Korgs or the 
Ibanez digitals, but you first echo won't be a sum

Using a mem-man and a modern digital, you should have about the same 
footprint (roughly) of the Line 6 unit I would think



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thanks, i'm familiar with the process ( i mostly produce records for a 
living and i own a biggi-sh recording studio...) but what i'm after is the 
ability to have a smaller pedal that i can step on a button and have that 
"thing" that the memory man has, but longer.  i should probably just deal 
with the sound of the DL4 and forget it. for live stuff i'm looking for that 
sound and vibe AND portability.

but thanks for putting all that effort into your response. i do appreciate 
it.


monk



On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 02:23 PM, James Winger wrote:

>Mr Monk
>
>Here is a quick and dirty of a system that should give you (memory man) 
>tones with longer delay times.
>
>Note : it's not ESSENTIAL to have the mixes at 100% - but for test purposes 
>it's good.  Remember that the only real essential is to have the FBACK of 
>both delays at 0% (it won't hurt anything to have it higher, but you'll get 
>a multitap sound - if you just want simple delays keep them at zero)
>
>The number of echos will now be controlled through the mixer
>and remember, if you want dry signal THROUGH the delays (as opposed to on 
>another channel) BOTH mixes will have to be upped
>
>
>Here is a sample config through a mixer
>
>
>Mixer Aux A --> Analog Delay Input
>Analog Delay Output ---> digital delay Input
>Digital Delay Output ----> channel 1 input
>
>Channel 1's Aux A feed will control your regen (number of echos)
>
>To add the effect to any channel, simply feed to Aux A
>
>Channel 1's LEVEL will control eho volume
>
>Note : this assumes your aux is prefade
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: "mr.monk" 
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>can you add another bucket brigade to a memory man? is there a tech who 
>will do this?
>
>
>On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 04:45 PM, James Winger wrote:
>
>>DOD had one (FX96) at about 500ms.  It used a single 3005.
>>
>>Funny thing, I had one and would run it on this really poorly regulated 
>>supply...it must have altered the clock as it would pump out delays of 
>>well over a second
>>Note : what came out was very weird, it was an echo -- but it was very 
>>distorted (not overdrive / clipping distorted or simply low-frequency from 
>>the slow clock)
>>
>>you've got a couple of options I guess - chain 2 BBD's together (you'll 
>>get some loss from twice the buckets)
>>
>>lower the clock speed (changes sampling rate and will restrict the 
>>frequency response, it might also start sounding "grainy")
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: "mr.monk" 
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>>does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay?  i'm thinking about 
>>trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just curious. i'm 
>>of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely priced EH 16sec 
>>delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the ubiquitous DL4 and 
>>although i do like it, the memory man is the least realistic of all the 
>>delays IMHO...
>>
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I discovered this only works occasionally- and the 1 time it did clear the
error all 3 or 4 loops I had were corrupted- random bits of silence
sprinkled throughout them- and this was after being upset at losing
something I liked and pressing Parameter like a crazed fool. My router
solved the problem nicely tho so I don't expect I will need to clear any
buffer errors again!

Cliff 

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I forgot to mention that you get out of the error message by pressing 
PARAMETER, so you are just loosing the MIDI content, but audio goes 
on.




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you could also just build a little spluffer box and may a feedback loop out 
of it, add a bypass to it and syou should be ready to rock with no mods to 
the pedals

you could probably even make the feedback path passive if you wanted (might 
not work all that great though).








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thanks, i'm familiar with the process ( i mostly produce records for a 
living and i own a biggi-sh recording studio...) but what i'm after is the 
ability to have a smaller pedal that i can step on a button and have that 
"thing" that the memory man has, but longer.  i should probably just deal 
with the sound of the DL4 and forget it. for live stuff i'm looking for that 
sound and vibe AND portability.

but thanks for putting all that effort into your response. i do appreciate 
it.


monk



On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 02:23 PM, James Winger wrote:

>Mr Monk
>
>Here is a quick and dirty of a system that should give you (memory man) 
>tones with longer delay times.
>
>Note : it's not ESSENTIAL to have the mixes at 100% - but for test purposes 
>it's good.  Remember that the only real essential is to have the FBACK of 
>both delays at 0% (it won't hurt anything to have it higher, but you'll get 
>a multitap sound - if you just want simple delays keep them at zero)
>
>The number of echos will now be controlled through the mixer
>and remember, if you want dry signal THROUGH the delays (as opposed to on 
>another channel) BOTH mixes will have to be upped
>
>
>Here is a sample config through a mixer
>
>
>Mixer Aux A --> Analog Delay Input
>Analog Delay Output ---> digital delay Input
>Digital Delay Output ----> channel 1 input
>
>Channel 1's Aux A feed will control your regen (number of echos)
>
>To add the effect to any channel, simply feed to Aux A
>
>Channel 1's LEVEL will control eho volume
>
>Note : this assumes your aux is prefade
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: "mr.monk" 
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>can you add another bucket brigade to a memory man? is there a tech who 
>will do this?
>
>
>On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 04:45 PM, James Winger wrote:
>
>>DOD had one (FX96) at about 500ms.  It used a single 3005.
>>
>>Funny thing, I had one and would run it on this really poorly regulated 
>>supply...it must have altered the clock as it would pump out delays of 
>>well over a second
>>Note : what came out was very weird, it was an echo -- but it was very 
>>distorted (not overdrive / clipping distorted or simply low-frequency from 
>>the slow clock)
>>
>>you've got a couple of options I guess - chain 2 BBD's together (you'll 
>>get some loss from twice the buckets)
>>
>>lower the clock speed (changes sampling rate and will restrict the 
>>frequency response, it might also start sounding "grainy")
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: "mr.monk" 
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>>does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay?  i'm thinking about 
>>trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just curious. i'm 
>>of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely priced EH 16sec 
>>delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the ubiquitous DL4 and 
>>although i do like it, the memory man is the least realistic of all the 
>>delays IMHO...
>>
>>
>>thanks
>>
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hi, sorry if this is a redundant question. i have been off the group for a
while and reecently subscribed again. (good to be back!) and am in need of
some direction as to the run down of this new line 6 unit's looping
features.

has anyone out there actually sat down with this echo pro to give it a
thorough loop around the block. ps- i am not interested in any of it's other
features, just the loop capabilities at this point. is it better than the
jamman etc.

thanks for your time
jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com



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test
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> I discovered this only works occasionally- and the 1 time it did clear the
> error all 3 or 4 loops I had were corrupted- random bits of silence
> sprinkled throughout them- and this was after being upset at losing
> something I liked and pressing Parameter like a crazed fool. My router
> solved the problem nicely tho so I don't expect I will need to clear any
> buffer errors again!
>
> Cliff
>
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> I forgot to mention that you get out of the error message by pressing
> PARAMETER, so you are just loosing the MIDI content, but audio goes
> on.
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sorry, i meant europe where i currently live and
america


> Both continents? aren't there 6 inhabited ones?
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> Is it true that it was prohibited in the Beginning
> in
> America?
> I think every american should see this movie i,ve
> lived in both continents and there is a lot of truth
> in it.
> Check it out
> cheers
> 
> 
> 
>  >
>  > "Bowling for Columbine" is Moore's most mature
> and
>  > thoughtful work.  I
>  > recommend it highly, even if just for the way it
>  > raises the question of
>  > why Canada has more guns per capita than the
> U.S.,
>  > yet a tiny fraction of
>  > its violent crime.
>  >
>  > Any canadians on the list?  Do you lock your
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Sorry, not that gullible here.

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> 
> > By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career
> > as a professional
> > asshole with a camera, and not much else.  
> 
> i've always seen him as a defender of the people.  his
> actions in making the film helped to pull bullets of
> the shelves of the retail giant, kmart.
> 
> > I liked
> > the brief moments of
> > non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up
> > occasionally on "TV Nation", but
> > that's about it.
> > 
> 
> tv nation was a brilliant show, but whether you are a
> moore fan or not, you should see this
> movie...especially if you are an american.  if nothing
> else, it can help you to understand the reason why
> americans have such a miserable stereo-type worldwide.
>  it may not give any of the right answers to solving
> america's violence problems, but it sure asks the
> right questions.
> 
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Louie Angulo 
> > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> > > Is this movie being shown in America? Just hit the
> > > movie theaters here a couple of weeks a go and it
> > > seems to be enjoying success in europe.
> > > (Warning: patriots may not like it)
> > > cheers
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > > --- Doug Johnson  wrote:
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> > >  > Nah, if they wanted to do that they should
> > have...
> > >  >
> > >  > 1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out
> > the
> > >  > buildings.  Hitting early
> > >  > / mid morning winds up taking out facilities
> > workers
> > >  > like dish washers.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > 2) If they were REALLY after "corporate greed"
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> > >  >
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> > >  >
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> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > joking aside;
> > >  > 'america' was NOT attacked.
> > >  > two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of
> > greed.
> > >  > 2. world's largest war
> > >  > machine
> > >  > the real question is who ALL was involved, who
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I just saw it Saturday night. It's an excellent film. Yes, he panders
somewhat, but so what?! What about all the right-wing radio/TV shows?

There's lots of humor in the film in the same vein as 'Roger and Me'.

Regards, Paul
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> Sorry, not that gullible here.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Evan Meyers" 
> To: 
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>
>
> >
> > > By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career
> > > as a professional
> > > asshole with a camera, and not much else.
> >
> > i've always seen him as a defender of the people.  his
> > actions in making the film helped to pull bullets of
> > the shelves of the retail giant, kmart.
> >
> > > I liked
> > > the brief moments of
> > > non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up
> > > occasionally on "TV Nation", but
> > > that's about it.
> > >
> >
> > tv nation was a brilliant show, but whether you are a
> > moore fan or not, you should see this
> > movie...especially if you are an american.  if nothing
> > else, it can help you to understand the reason why
> > americans have such a miserable stereo-type worldwide.
> >  it may not give any of the right answers to solving
> > america's violence problems, but it sure asks the
> > right questions.
> >
> > > S.P. Goodman
> > > EarthLight Productions
> > > *
> > > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and
> > > Illustrations!
> > > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via
> > > Medialine!
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Louie Angulo 
> > > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > Subject: Bowling for columbine
> > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:13:49 -0800 (PST)
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> > > > movie theaters here a couple of weeks a go and it
> > > > seems to be enjoying success in europe.
> > > > (Warning: patriots may not like it)
> > > > cheers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Doug Johnson  wrote:
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Nah, if they wanted to do that they should
> > > have...
> > > >  >
> > > >  > 1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out
> > > the
> > > >  > buildings.  Hitting early
> > > >  > / mid morning winds up taking out facilities
> > > workers
> > > >  > like dish washers.
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > 2) If they were REALLY after "corporate greed"
> > > they
> > > >  > would have taken out
> > > >  > Delaware's captial or records hall
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > joking aside;
> > > >  > 'america' was NOT attacked.
> > > >  > two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of
> > > greed.
> > > >  > 2. world's largest war
> > > >  > machine
> > > >  > the real question is who ALL was involved, who
> > > is in
> > > >  > a posistion to gain
> > > >  > from
> > > >  > the
> > > >  > attack ?
> > > >  >
> > > >  > ignorance of your culture is not considered
> > > cool -
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And did any of the people he exploited, doing his Show, benefit other than
emotionally from it?  Or did he drag all the money home himself?

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> I just saw it Saturday night. It's an excellent film. Yes, he panders
> somewhat, but so what?! What about all the right-wing radio/TV shows?
>
> There's lots of humor in the film in the same vein as 'Roger and Me'.
>
> Regards, Paul
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> From: "S.P. Goodman" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
>
>
> > Sorry, not that gullible here.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Evan Meyers" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 19:52:PM
> > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career
> > > > as a professional
> > > > asshole with a camera, and not much else.
> > >
> > > i've always seen him as a defender of the people.  his
> > > actions in making the film helped to pull bullets of
> > > the shelves of the retail giant, kmart.
> > >
> > > > I liked
> > > > the brief moments of
> > > > non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up
> > > > occasionally on "TV Nation", but
> > > > that's about it.
> > > >
> > >
> > > tv nation was a brilliant show, but whether you are a
> > > moore fan or not, you should see this
> > > movie...especially if you are an american.  if nothing
> > > else, it can help you to understand the reason why
> > > americans have such a miserable stereo-type worldwide.
> > >  it may not give any of the right answers to solving
> > > america's violence problems, but it sure asks the
> > > right questions.
> > >
> > > > S.P. Goodman
> > > > EarthLight Productions
> > > > *
> > > > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and
> > > > Illustrations!
> > > > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via
> > > > Medialine!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Louie Angulo 
> > > > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> > > > > seems to be enjoying success in europe.
> > > > > (Warning: patriots may not like it)
> > > > > cheers
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> > > > >  > 1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out
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> > > > >  > joking aside;
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> > > > >  > two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of
> > > > greed.
> > > > >  > 2. world's largest war
> > > > >  > machine
> > > > >  > the real question is who ALL was involved, who
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Do you ask this question to the 'business as usual' journalists bought
and paid for by the media conglomerates? Is MM supposed to deliver
welfare to laid off workers?; restore lives to parents who lost kids
murdered by a gun? 

I think to get his 'against the grain' journalism out demands some
theatrics, and MM is that rare person who gets the message out to the
mainstream. I applaud his chutzpah. That is what America is supposed to
be about!

Maybe you don't agree with the message, but don't shoot the messenger.

Be skeptical of your Govt, not a performance artist/journalist!!!

(there's a lot more I'd like to say, but it was deleted by my Inner
Moderator)

Neil


-----Original Message-----
From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:42 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine

And did any of the people he exploited, doing his Show, benefit other
than
emotionally from it?  Or did he drag all the money home himself?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Butch" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 00:13:AM
Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine


> I just saw it Saturday night. It's an excellent film. Yes, he panders
> somewhat, but so what?! What about all the right-wing radio/TV shows?
>
> There's lots of humor in the film in the same vein as 'Roger and Me'.
>
> Regards, Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S.P. Goodman" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
>
>
> > Sorry, not that gullible here.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Evan Meyers" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 19:52:PM
> > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career
> > > > as a professional
> > > > asshole with a camera, and not much else.
> > >
> > > i've always seen him as a defender of the people.  his
> > > actions in making the film helped to pull bullets of
> > > the shelves of the retail giant, kmart.
> > >
> > > > I liked
> > > > the brief moments of
> > > > non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up
> > > > occasionally on "TV Nation", but
> > > > that's about it.
> > > >
> > >
> > > tv nation was a brilliant show, but whether you are a
> > > moore fan or not, you should see this
> > > movie...especially if you are an american.  if nothing
> > > else, it can help you to understand the reason why
> > > americans have such a miserable stereo-type worldwide.
> > >  it may not give any of the right answers to solving
> > > america's violence problems, but it sure asks the
> > > right questions.
> > >
> > > > S.P. Goodman
> > > > EarthLight Productions
> > > > *
> > > > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and
> > > > Illustrations!
> > > > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via
> > > > Medialine!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Louie Angulo 
> > > > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > > Subject: Bowling for columbine
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> > > > > movie theaters here a couple of weeks a go and it
> > > > > seems to be enjoying success in europe.
> > > > > (Warning: patriots may not like it)
> > > > > cheers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Doug Johnson  wrote:
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Nah, if they wanted to do that they should
> > > > have...
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > 1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out
> > > > the
> > > > >  > buildings.  Hitting early
> > > > >  > / mid morning winds up taking out facilities
> > > > workers
> > > > >  > like dish washers.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > 2) If they were REALLY after "corporate greed"
> > > > they
> > > > >  > would have taken out
> > > > >  > Delaware's captial or records hall
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > joking aside;
> > > > >  > 'america' was NOT attacked.
> > > > >  > two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of
> > > > greed.
> > > > >  > 2. world's largest war
> > > > >  > machine
> > > > >  > the real question is who ALL was involved, who
> > > > is in
> > > > >  > a posistion to gain
> > > > >  > from
> > > > >  > the
> > > > >  > attack ?
> > > > >  >
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I found one by putting a WTB ad on Synthsite and Harmony Central. 2 days
later a guy makes me a deal of a like new one for $375 with card, no
manual or foot pedals but hey, I wasn't complaining! I did not realize
they were going for upwards of $600. Just pure dumb luck, but it could
happen to anybody! Its a beauty and works great. 

Does anyone know where I can get the 512 mb card though??


John Hunter
Black Lotus Sound

> 
> other than dealing with the hassle of eBay...
> 
> does anyone know someone who is selling a Repeater for less than $600?
> 
> I would like to pick one up
> 
> thanks,
> Cyo

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Something along the lines of the Rane SM82.  That might be what I end up
going for but I'd like to see if there are some others with more options
such as tone controls, headphone outs, mute buttones, etc.  I'm mainly
interested in 1-3 space mixers.  I've already got a mackie 1202 but it's
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Thanks 
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I am considering buying an echoplex. Where is a good place?

Alex

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jazzloops is hugh hopper's new cd, out now on www.burningshed.com. a
wonderful collection of loop based atmospheres, especially for those of us
who were hopper fans already 30 years ago when he played with the immortal
soft machine. do check it out.


= michael peters
= http://www.mp3.com/veloopity
= http://veloopity.iuma.com


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> EMTEC seems to have a good 
>  reputation among audio professionals.

because EMTEC is a new name for BASF

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Mackie makes a sweet rack mixer and Alesis has a new one coming out as well-
all are at least 3 spaces- Roland has an older 1 sp one also- there was a
lot of talk about this subject here in the past- try the archives too.

Cliff

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Something along the lines of the Rane SM82.  That might be what I end up
going for but I'd like to see if there are some others with more options
such as tone controls, headphone outs, mute buttones, etc.  I'm mainly
interested in 1-3 space mixers.  I've already got a mackie 1202 but it's
pain in the ass to move and the rack option isn't what I'm after.

Thanks 
  -Bill



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<<> I repeat: my comment was a joke (which I
think 
at
> least one person caught)!!!! It wasn't meant as

a
> true statement about my spiritual beliefs! 

as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
nothing at all funny about september 11th...and 
there will never be anything funny about it.>>

The joke wasn't ABOUT September 11, it was about
Jerry Falwell, you MORON!!!!!!


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"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones

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> "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James
Earl Jones

you get james earl jones when you give a yoyo to a flock of flamingoes? ah
come on now that's just CRAZY TALK!


http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com




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> <<> I repeat: my comment was a joke (which I
> think
> at
> > least one person caught)!!!! It wasn't meant as
>
> a
> > true statement about my spiritual beliefs!
>
> as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
> nothing at all funny about september 11th...and
> there will never be anything funny about it.>>
>
> The joke wasn't ABOUT September 11, it was about
> Jerry Falwell, you MORON!!!!!!
>
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
> "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James
Earl Jones
>
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If you use a Gator Rack you can put the mixer at the flat top. There's a
pic of my set-up at www.boysen.se/pboy_looping_rig.jpg. For transport
you slap hard covers over top and sides. 

IMHO Gator Racks rule, at least until software loopers become available.

Best wishes

Per Boysen


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Aww I missed Jerry Falwell jokes?! Damn. I love to hate that guy. My close friends and I decided to get "Jerry Falwell is a fag" printed on some T-Shirts. We don't have them yet, though. What is the difference between a duck? Answer: Wayne, because nine pancakes can't shingle a doghouse. When people talk about abolishing the ACLU I start seeing red, like having visions of militia action. President shrub's masturbatory gun/prick complex is not something I would go to war for, but the civil rights of my fellow minority americans is something I would lay down my life for in an instant. That is the only thing that makes this country great: freedom, and an equal opportunity for everyone, but that is everything. Peace. - Kirk
 Jimmy George Band  wrote:> "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James
Earl Jones

you get james earl jones when you give a yoyo to a flock of flamingoes? ah
come on now that's just CRAZY TALK!


http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com




----- Original Message -----
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> <<> I repeat: my comment was a joke (which I
> think
> at
> > least one person caught)!!!! It wasn't meant as
>
> a
> > true statement about my spiritual beliefs!
>
> as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
> nothing at all funny about september 11th...and
> there will never be anything funny about it.>>
>
> The joke wasn't ABOUT September 11, it was about
> Jerry Falwell, you MORON!!!!!!
>
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
> "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James
Earl Jones
>
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Aww I missed Jerry Falwell jokes?! Damn. I love to hate that guy. My close friends and I decided to get "Jerry Falwell is a fag" printed on some T-Shirts. We don't have them yet, though. What is the difference between a duck? Answer: Wayne, because nine pancakes can't shingle a doghouse. When people talk about abolishing the ACLU I start seeing red, like having visions of militia action. President shrub's masturbatory gun/prick complex is not something I would go to war for, but the civil rights of my fellow minority americans is something I would lay down my life for in an instant. That is the only thing that makes this country great: freedom, and an equal opportunity for everyone, but that is everything. Peace. - Kirk

 Jimmy George Band <jg@jimmygeorgeband.com> wrote:

> "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James
Earl Jones

you get james earl jones when you give a yoyo to a flock of flamingoes? ah
come on now that's just CRAZY TALK!


http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com




----- Original Message -----
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> <<> I repeat: my comment was a joke (which I
> think
> at
> > least one person caught)!!!! It wasn't meant as
>
> a
> > true statement about my spiritual beliefs!
>
> as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
> nothing at all funny about september 11th...and
> there will never be anything funny about it.>>
>
> The joke wasn't ABOUT September 11, it was about
> Jerry Falwell, you MORON!!!!!!
>
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
> "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James
Earl Jones
>
> __________________________________________________
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have the shirts say, 'Jerry Falwell is not a fag but he fucked one!'

maybe?

jg
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  Aww I missed Jerry Falwell jokes?! Damn. I love to hate that guy. My =
close friends and I decided to get "Jerry Falwell is a fag" printed on =
some T-Shirts. We don't have them yet, though. What is the difference =
between a duck? Answer: Wayne, because nine pancakes can't shingle a =
doghouse. When people talk about abolishing the ACLU I start seeing red, =
like having visions of militia action. President shrub's masturbatory =
gun/prick complex is not something I would go to war for, but the civil =
rights of my fellow minority americans is something I would lay down my =
life for in an instant. That is the only thing that makes this country =
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everything. Peace. - Kirk=20

   Jimmy George Band  wrote:=20

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flamingos?"-James
    Earl Jones

    you get james earl jones when you give a yoyo to a flock of =
flamingoes? ah
    come on now that's just CRAZY TALK!


    http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com




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    > think
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    > > least one person caught)!!!! It wasn't meant as
    >
    > a
    > > true statement about my spiritual beliefs!
    >
    > as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
    > nothing at all funny about september 11th...and
    > there will never be anything funny about it.>>>
    > The joke wasn't ABOUT September 11, it was about
    > Jerry Falwell, you MORON!!!!!!
    >
    >
    > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
    > May you never thirst!
    > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
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    > "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of =
flamingos?"-James
    Earl Jones
    >
    > __________________________________________________
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have the shirts say, 'Jerry Falwell is not a fag but he fucked =
one!'


 


maybe?


 


jg



  
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on 1/23/03 12:00 PM, Evan Meyers at evanmeyers@yahoo.com wrote:

> as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
> nothing at all funny about september 11th...and there
> will never be anything funny about it.
> 


I respect your view, but for me there's something very "funny" about the
whole thing: like who stood to gain the most from this. Hint: whom has
gained the most from this? The Muslims and Arabs here or abroad?
Afghanistan? The Taliban?

or would it be Israel and the weapons and oil industry tycoons here, weary
of the near scandal over the contrived fanciful "energy crisis" they
orchestrated to rob us, and get us to a place where we say "Sure" to nuclear
power or conquesting other coutnries to get their toil, leary of bush's
first acts after "taking" office to include lifting restrictions on Alaska
Oil Drilling for his buddies?, as we all learn to worship "people in
uniforms" display plastic flags and welcome the erosion of freedoms
generations of actual america patriots gave their all to secure and protect,
beause some square-jaw on  fox news tells us it will make things better for
us!

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm

http://www.sunmt.org/reichstag.html

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/UQPC061002.html

http://www.tenc.net/indict/faq2.htm

http://forejustice.org/books/books.htm






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Preach on brother!! I see his point and yours. If it is humorous it is humorous in a black comedy, laugh so I don't vomit, laugh because I can't cry anymore type way. I am very afraid of what seems to be happening to our nation and world. There is an evil so deep, so all-permeating that no war, even one that was worth fighting, could begin to pay retribution. There are no more wars fought for the good of human kind or posterity, only for the good of ME ME ME! Everything apears to be for sale. The only hint of morals are cultural taboos. Textbooks did well teaching us that Hitler was evil, and he was, but what about Stalin? What about Apartheid?! It ended less than 20 years ago - a modern day holocaust. What about AMERICAN IMPERIALISM?!Dammit just listen to me rant. I normally would claim to have no polical views whatsoever. I hate politics. But I'm 20 years old, which means every male from my graduating class will most likely die in WWIII. Do you have anything to be so angry about that you would personally explode the body of another living human being? If not then for the love of all our happy little looping, meat eating, gas gussling lives,  write to your goddamn senator! Participate in a march! Thanks for reading and sorry for the rant. Peace. - Kirk
 glenn  wrote:on 1/23/03 12:00 PM, Evan Meyers at evanmeyers@yahoo.com wrote:

> as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
> nothing at all funny about september 11th...and there
> will never be anything funny about it.
> 


I respect your view, but for me there's something very "funny" about the
whole thing: like who stood to gain the most from this. Hint: whom has
gained the most from this? The Muslims and Arabs here or abroad?
Afghanistan? The Taliban?

or would it be Israel and the weapons and oil industry tycoons here, weary
of the near scandal over the contrived fanciful "energy crisis" they
orchestrated to rob us, and get us to a place where we say "Sure" to nuclear
power or conquesting other coutnries to get their toil, leary of bush's
first acts after "taking" office to include lifting restrictions on Alaska
Oil Drilling for his buddies?, as we all learn to worship "people in
uniforms" display plastic flags and welcome the erosion of freedoms
generations of actual america patriots gave their all to secure and protect,
beause some square-jaw on fox news tells us it will make things better for
us!


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Preach on brother!! I see his point and yours. If it is humorous it is humorous in a black comedy, laugh so I don't vomit, laugh because I can't cry anymore type way. I am very afraid of what seems to be happening to our nation and world. There is an evil so deep, so all-permeating that no war, even one that was worth fighting, could begin to pay retribution. There are no more wars fought for the good of human kind or posterity, only for the good of ME ME ME! Everything apears to be for sale. The only hint of morals are cultural taboos. Textbooks did well teaching us that Hitler was evil, and he was, but what about Stalin? What about Apartheid?! It ended less than 20 years ago - a modern day holocaust. What about AMERICAN IMPERIALISM?!Dammit just listen to me rant. I normally would claim to have no polical views whatsoever. I hate politics. But I'm 20 years old, which means every male from my graduating class will most likely die in WWIII. Do you have anything to be so angry about that you would personally explode the body of another living human being? If not then for the love of all our happy little looping, meat eating, gas gussling lives,  write to your goddamn senator! Participate in a march! Thanks for reading and sorry for the rant. Peace. - Kirk

 glenn <glenn234@pacbell.net> wrote:

on 1/23/03 12:00 PM, Evan Meyers at evanmeyers@yahoo.com wrote:

> as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
> nothing at all funny about september 11th...and there
> will never be anything funny about it.
> 


I respect your view, but for me there's something very "funny" about the
whole thing: like who stood to gain the most from this. Hint: whom has
gained the most from this? The Muslims and Arabs here or abroad?
Afghanistan? The Taliban?

or would it be Israel and the weapons and oil industry tycoons here, weary
of the near scandal over the contrived fanciful "energy crisis" they
orchestrated to rob us, and get us to a place where we say "Sure" to nuclear
power or conquesting other coutnries to get their toil, leary of bush's
first acts after "taking" office to include lifting restrictions on Alaska
Oil Drilling for his buddies?, as we all learn to worship "people in
uniforms" display plastic flags and welcome the erosion of freedoms
generations of actual america patriots gave their all to secure and protect,
beause some square-jaw on fox news tells us it will make things better for
us!


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oooo, basf used to make some of the WORST cassette housings

SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:

> > EMTEC seems to have a good
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Oh I forgot the Illuminati.  Pah.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neil Goldstein" 
To: 
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> 
> Do you ask this question to the 'business as usual' journalists bought
> and paid for by the media conglomerates? Is MM supposed to deliver
> welfare to laid off workers?; restore lives to parents who lost kids
> murdered by a gun? 
> 
> I think to get his 'against the grain' journalism out demands some
> theatrics, and MM is that rare person who gets the message out to the
> mainstream. I applaud his chutzpah. That is what America is supposed to
> be about!
> 
> Maybe you don't agree with the message, but don't shoot the messenger.
> 
> Be skeptical of your Govt, not a performance artist/journalist!!!
> 
> (there's a lot more I'd like to say, but it was deleted by my Inner
> Moderator)
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:42 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> 
> And did any of the people he exploited, doing his Show, benefit other
> than
> emotionally from it?  Or did he drag all the money home himself?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Butch" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 00:13:AM
> Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> 
> 
> > I just saw it Saturday night. It's an excellent film. Yes, he panders
> > somewhat, but so what?! What about all the right-wing radio/TV shows?
> >
> > There's lots of humor in the film in the same vein as 'Roger and Me'.
> >
> > Regards, Paul
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "S.P. Goodman" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> >
> >
> > > Sorry, not that gullible here.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Evan Meyers" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 19:52:PM
> > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career
> > > > > as a professional
> > > > > asshole with a camera, and not much else.
> > > >
> > > > i've always seen him as a defender of the people.  his
> > > > actions in making the film helped to pull bullets of
> > > > the shelves of the retail giant, kmart.
> > > >
> > > > > I liked
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > tv nation was a brilliant show, but whether you are a
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> > > > movie...especially if you are an american.  if nothing
> > > > else, it can help you to understand the reason why
> > > > americans have such a miserable stereo-type worldwide.
> > > >  it may not give any of the right answers to solving
> > > > america's violence problems, but it sure asks the
> > > > right questions.
> > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > seems to be enjoying success in europe.
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> > > > > workers
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> > > > > >  >
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> > > > > >  >
> > > > > >  >
> > > > > >  >
> > > > > >  >
> > > > > >  >
> > > > > >  > joking aside;
> > > > > >  > 'america' was NOT attacked.
> > > > > >  > two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of
> > > > > greed.
> > > > > >  > 2. world's largest war
> > > > > >  > machine
> > > > > >  > the real question is who ALL was involved, who
> > > > > is in
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> > > > > >  > from
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> Something along the lines of the Rane SM82.  That might be what I end up
>  going for but I'd like to see if there are some others with more options
>  such as tone controls, headphone outs, mute buttones, etc.  I'm mainly
>  interested in 1-3 space mixers. 

isn't this v.similar to the Rane unit,
just v.slightly different features.
I use one, the sound quality seems to be OK,
certainly as good as your average small mixer 

 ULTRALINK PRO 
MX882 : 8-CHANNEL SPLITTER/MIXER • LEVEL CONDITIONER/CONVERTER 

or check out
 MAM - music and more 
who do a number of 1u mixers

and make sure you're using it for looping,
(or my OT rating goes up again)

andy butler

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	Orville...
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I've been trying to use my vintage oberheim in a chain with an Eventide
Orville.  Now the orville's a quiet machine, mind you, and I cannot keep the
noise out.  No amount of gain structure adjustment actually solves my
problem.   I've done everything I can, or at least know of. .  so here is my
question.  Is there any reason to think that a brand new box would have
design improvements which would allow for better fidelity?

or does anyone else have any other suggestions that I'm missing?  Right now
I can't even record because it's just too noisy...  here is my path.

Violin ==Pendulum Audio Preamp ==  In1 of Orville, then  sending out analog
3 of Orville to EDP and back into analog In  3 of Orville ==  then out the
stereo outs of Orville directly.

thanks in advance as always...

t.


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And wasn´t Bush Sr. the one who said "new world
order"?every time the bushes are in power is new world
disorder to me!
> 
> Preach on brother!! I see his point and yours. If it
> is humorous it is humorous in a black comedy, laugh
> so I don't vomit, laugh because I can't cry anymore
> type way. I am very afraid of what seems to be
> happening to our nation and world. There is an evil
> so deep, so all-permeating that no war, even one
> that was worth fighting, could begin to pay
> retribution. There are no more wars fought for the
> good of human kind or posterity, only for the good
> of ME ME ME! Everything apears to be for sale. The
> only hint of morals are cultural taboos. Textbooks
> did well teaching us that Hitler was evil, and he
> was, but what about Stalin? What about Apartheid?!
> It ended less than 20 years ago - a modern day
> holocaust. What about AMERICAN IMPERIALISM?!Dammit
> just listen to me rant. I normally would claim to
> have no polical views whatsoever. I hate politics.
> But I'm 20 years old, which means every male from my
> graduating class will most likely die in WWIII. Do
> you have anything to be so angry a!
> bout that you would personally explode the body of
> another living human being? If not then for the love
> of all our happy little looping, meat eating, gas
> gussling lives,  write to your goddamn senator!
> Participate in a march! Thanks for reading and sorry
> for the rant. Peace. - Kirk
>  glenn  wrote:on 1/23/03 12:00
> PM, Evan Meyers at evanmeyers@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> > as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
> > nothing at all funny about september 11th...and
> there
> > will never be anything funny about it.
> > 
> 
> 
> I respect your view, but for me there's something
> very "funny" about the
> whole thing: like who stood to gain the most from
> this. Hint: whom has
> gained the most from this? The Muslims and Arabs
> here or abroad?
> Afghanistan? The Taliban?
> 
> or would it be Israel and the weapons and oil
> industry tycoons here, weary
> of the near scandal over the contrived fanciful
> "energy crisis" they
> orchestrated to rob us, and get us to a place where
> we say "Sure" to nuclear
> power or conquesting other coutnries to get their
> toil, leary of bush's
> first acts after "taking" office to include lifting
> restrictions on Alaska
> Oil Drilling for his buddies?, as we all learn to
> worship "people in
> uniforms" display plastic flags and welcome the
> erosion of freedoms
> generations of actual america patriots gave their
> all to secure and protect,
> beause some square-jaw on fox news tells us it will
> make things better for
> us!
> 
> 


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>From a long-time subscriber/lurker, I have 2 comments about the last few
days of posts:

1) There WAY too much repetition of past messages. The subject will tell
people waht you're referring to. TRIM THE REST OF YOUR POSTS. It's very
simple--highlight and delete all but a line or two, and DELETE THE REST.
It's very annoying to have to read the same comments over and over
again, not to mention an incredible waste of bandwidth. I believe Kim
has pleaded with us to do just this--how about we all get the message?
PLEASE, TRIM YOUR POSTS!

2) Call me crazy, but isn't all this off-topic for a list about LOOPING?
Something that (at least used to) be mandatory for this list was to STAY
ON TOPIC--and the topic of this list is about LOOPING, isn't it?

Rant over, thanks for listening

Paul

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Right-wingers are SUCH dickweeds. Heh heh heh...
> Oh I forgot the Illuminati.  Pah.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Neil Goldstein" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 00:58:AM
> Subject: RE: Bowling for columbine
> 
> 
> > 
> > Do you ask this question to the 'business as usual' journalists bought
> > and paid for by the media conglomerates? Is MM supposed to deliver
> > welfare to laid off workers?; restore lives to parents who lost kids
> > murdered by a gun? 
> > 
> > I think to get his 'against the grain' journalism out demands some
> > theatrics, and MM is that rare person who gets the message out to the
> > mainstream. I applaud his chutzpah. That is what America is supposed to
> > be about!
> > 
> > Maybe you don't agree with the message, but don't shoot the messenger.
> > 
> > Be skeptical of your Govt, not a performance artist/journalist!!!
> > 
> > (there's a lot more I'd like to say, but it was deleted by my Inner
> > Moderator)
> > 
> > Neil
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] 
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:42 PM
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > 
> > And did any of the people he exploited, doing his Show, benefit other
> > than
> > emotionally from it?  Or did he drag all the money home himself?
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Butch" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 00:13:AM
> > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > 
> > 
> > > I just saw it Saturday night. It's an excellent film. Yes, he panders
> > > somewhat, but so what?! What about all the right-wing radio/TV shows?
> > >
> > > There's lots of humor in the film in the same vein as 'Roger and Me'.
> > >
> > > Regards, Paul
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "S.P. Goodman" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sorry, not that gullible here.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Evan Meyers" 
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 19:52:PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career
> > > > > > as a professional
> > > > > > asshole with a camera, and not much else.
> > > > >
> > > > > i've always seen him as a defender of the people.  his
> > > > > actions in making the film helped to pull bullets of
> > > > > the shelves of the retail giant, kmart.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I liked
> > > > > > the brief moments of
> > > > > > non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up
> > > > > > occasionally on "TV Nation", but
> > > > > > that's about it.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > tv nation was a brilliant show, but whether you are a
> > > > > moore fan or not, you should see this
> > > > > movie...especially if you are an american.  if nothing
> > > > > else, it can help you to understand the reason why
> > > > > americans have such a miserable stereo-type worldwide.
> > > > >  it may not give any of the right answers to solving
> > > > > america's violence problems, but it sure asks the
> > > > > right questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > > S.P. Goodman
> > > > > > EarthLight Productions
> > > > > > *
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> > > > > > Illustrations!
> > > > > > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Louie Angulo 
> > > > > > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Bowling for columbine
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> > > > > > > Is this movie being shown in America? Just hit the
> > > > > > > movie theaters here a couple of weeks a go and it
> > > > > > > seems to be enjoying success in europe.
> > > > > > > (Warning: patriots may not like it)
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >  >
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alesis 12-r

3 rack spaces, 10 channels (2 stereo), 2 sends, 
2 eq, 100mm faders, decent s/n, ok mic pre's (8).
very cool design, packs a lot into a small package.
much easier to use than mixers with 45mm faders 
or (ugh) rotary level pots.

http://www.alesis.com/products/mixers/studio12r/index.html

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www.altomusic.com

i got both of mine from those folks.  quick and relatively affordable.

-jim


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impressive setup...how do you like that pendulum?

i use a pair of edp's and a DSP7K and all's quiet on the homefront.  my edps
are newer (not edp+) and i tried using an older oberheim unit but ended up
selling it so i could get my second new edp.

-jim


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greg has made a great machine.  simple as that.  I haven't ever even used it
to it's potential with both channels...  or with the loop insert.  for
anyone who's doing acoustic instrument music I couldn't recommend anything
higher...

was there excessive noise on your older oberheim?

t.

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> impressive setup...how do you like that pendulum?
> 
> i use a pair of edp's and a DSP7K and all's quiet on the homefront.  my edps
> are newer (not edp+) and i tried using an older oberheim unit but ended up
> selling it so i could get my second new edp.
> 
> -jim
> 
> 

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i don't think i would call it excessive noise, but the input and output
gains were basically useless.  it would clip way too soon.  the fidelity
just wasn't the same...

and proper resistors had been "upgraded" but the machines (new vs. old)
still didn't compare.

i would try for a new edp and see if that helps.  otherwise, i think your
problem might lie elsewhere.  my edps are terribly quiet.

-jim


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> Music nerd question: What is the Kurt Cobain connection with "Red"?

he happened to have been listening to it alot before he died, and was planning 
on taking Nirvana in that direction.

i'm not really aware of more than that.<<

I just finished the charles cross cobain biog, and was consciously looking for the somewhat anecdotal info re "red" being amongst kur(d)t's favourite albums; no sign. what did emerge though was a disturbing portrait of a fairly fucked-up young man with all of the traditional traits of the suffering artist; substance abuse and romanticising episodes from his own past amongst them, and a certain fickleness in his dealings with other artists. it's a good read, even if you don't rate nirvana as highly as whomever wrote the copy for the latest "greatest hits" commercials, but suffers greatly (in my view) from there being no first-hand contributions from mr grohl.
"red" is a great album, but has to compete for my attention with "exposure" (still my favourite fripp work) and "LOG" in it's original (ie the vinyl version) form. loopers should take note that electronic storage is only one way of achieving repetition with subtle variations. playing the same thing over and over again can be just as effective and is as important a part of fripp's contribution to our artform as the two revoxes. sort of a human sequencer. ostinato, is it called?

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[looper's] OT- cobain/fripp




> Music nerd question: What is the Kurt Cobain connect=
ion with "Red"?




he happened to have been listening to it alot before he d=
ied, and was planning 

on taking Nirvana in that direction.




i'm not really aware of more than that.<<




I just finished the charles cross cobain biog, and was co=
nsciously looking for the somewhat anecdotal info re "red" being =
amongst kur(d)t's favourite albums; no sign. what did emerge though was a d=
isturbing portrait of a fairly fucked-up young man with all of the traditio=
nal traits of the suffering artist; substance abuse and romanticising episo=
des from his own past amongst them, and a certain fickleness in his dealing=
s with other artists. it's a good read, even if you don't rate nirvana as h=
ighly as whomever wrote the copy for the latest "greatest hits" c=
ommercials, but suffers greatly (in my view) from there being no first-hand=
 contributions from mr grohl.



"red" is a great album, but has to compete for =
my attention with "exposure" (still my favourite fripp work) and =
"LOG" in it's original (ie the vinyl version) form. loopers shoul=
d take note that electronic storage is only one way of achieving repetition=
 with subtle variations. playing the same thing over and over again can be =
just as effective and is as important a part of fripp's contribution to our=
 artform as the two revoxes. sort of a human sequencer. ostinato, is it cal=
led?



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> PLEASE, TRIM YOUR POSTS!
> 

aye aye...(and agreed)

> 2) Call me crazy, but isn't all this off-topic for a
> list about LOOPING?

i had similar problems when i first joined the list,
but i've come to love and accept this group as a place
to discuss all cutting edge gear and new music.  it
really is a unique group of people and musicians (be
careful about making distinctions and generalizations
about what is considerred music though...ouch...what a
flame war that was!).

> Something that (at least used to) be mandatory for
> this list was to STAY
> ON TOPIC--and the topic of this list is about
> LOOPING, isn't it?
>

obligatory loop content - would deja vu be considerred
real life looping?  if only we could harness that and
put that into a machine!

peace and bass...
~ e va n
 
> Rant over, thanks for listening
> 
> Paul
> 


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In a message dated 1/15/2003 2:23:19 AM Central Standard Time, 
GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


> I had a pretty little kid come up to me and buy my CD after my Found and
> Invented Sound Festival performance and his Mom just told me that he 
> listens
> to it everyday, has gotten out every pot and pan in the house to bang on 
> and
> asked her for a looper for Christmas...
> ............made my whole friggin' day to hear that........ :-)
> 
> 
> 
> yours, Rick
> 

That's awesome RICK! I'm glad the child didn't ask for a vibrator and a wine 
glass for Christmas though!

It was great hanging out with you at your Hollywood show ... it was fun 
helping you guys load out... Thanks for the disc! I love it!

As a constructive comment ... all you stuff was amazing! But when the four of 
you went in to a heavy hip hop type groove you had a pocket like those 80's 
parachute pants!!!!

GOOD GOD i wish there was a recording of that!!!!!

Play more drums man!

My wife is having a "pampered chef" party soon and I plan to get you some new 
"sticks" if I can afford them...

Carbon fiber whisks... (she told me they might be a bit pricey compared to 
most other sticks and or kitchen utensils)

I'll let you know if I can pick them up!

Touch the mullet...

Man, my Montana friends are dying to meet all of you guys ... we've been 
laughing so hard about touch the mullet, they all imitate Steve's accent when 
they say it!

As if they are asking a question.... TOUCH THE MULLET?

And once again I cannot even put in to words how floored I am by Andre's use 
of the echoplex! He's a funky dancer too! AMAZING!!!

I do hope to catch you guys performing again someday!

Thanks,
9:
the artist formerly know as:
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I had a pretty little kid come up to me and buy my CD after my Found and

Invented Sound Festival performance and his Mom just told me that he listens

to it everyday, has gotten out every pot and pan in the house to bang on and

asked her for a looper for Christmas...

............made my whole friggin' day to hear that........ :-)







yours, Rick






That's awesome RICK! I'm glad the child didn't ask for a vibrator and a wine glass for Christmas though!



It was great hanging out with you at your Hollywood show ... it was fun helping you guys load out... Thanks for the disc! I love it!



As a constructive comment ... all you stuff was amazing! But when the four of you went in to a heavy hip hop type groove you had a pocket like those 80's parachute pants!!!!



GOOD GOD i wish there was a recording of that!!!!!



Play more drums man!



My wife is having a "pampered chef" party soon and I plan to get you some new "sticks" if I can afford them...



Carbon fiber whisks... (she told me they might be a bit pricey compared to most other sticks and or kitchen utensils)



I'll let you know if I can pick them up!



Touch the mullet...



Man, my Montana friends are dying to meet all of you guys ... we've been laughing so hard about touch the mullet, they all imitate Steve's accent when they say it!



As if they are asking a question.... TOUCH THE MULLET?



And once again I cannot even put in to words how floored I am by Andre's use of the echoplex! He's a funky dancer too! AMAZING!!!



I do hope to catch you guys performing again someday!



Thanks,

9:

the artist formerly know as:

Gregory Bruce Campbell



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> as a new yorker i can assure you that there was
> nothing at all funny about september 11th...and 
> there will never be anything funny about it.>>
> 
> The joke wasn't ABOUT September 11, it was about
> Jerry Falwell, you MORON!!!!!!
> 

oops...my bad.  did't mean to get so offensive about
it, but when you lose loved ones, and your entire life
is shifted simply because you live in the place that
is the center of the western/non-3rd world style
economy...you tend to lose your sense of humor about
jokes coming from other areas of the world.

take care,
the MORON

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In a message dated 1/24/03 12:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Looping9string@aol.com writes:


> I'm glad the child didn't ask for a vibrator and a wine glass for Christmas 
> though!
> 

i needed that!.....:).....michael

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I'm glad the child didn't ask for a vibrator and a wine glass for Christmas though!






i needed that!.....:).....michael

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hmm.  I just called alto, who said they wouldn't be carrying the new
blackfaced ones as they were very expensive and buying an upgrade for a
blond face  was far better.  Does anyone on the list see ANY reason to go
with a brand new 4.0 black face?  except for avoiding installation?

I'll be selling my old obie, footswitch, and repeater soon...  not to
mention my filterfactory and mofx.

t.

On 1/24/03 6:05 AM, "jimfowler"  wrote:

> i don't think i would call it excessive noise, but the input and output
> gains were basically useless.  it would clip way too soon.  the fidelity
> just wasn't the same...
> 
> and proper resistors had been "upgraded" but the machines (new vs. old)
> still didn't compare.
> 
> i would try for a new edp and see if that helps.  otherwise, i think your
> problem might lie elsewhere.  my edps are terribly quiet.
> 
> -jim
> 
> 

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hi

if the worldwide loopers (... are there any 3rd-world looper on the list 
...) start a "war", how can we espect, that bush, blair & others will 
stop this madness ... 11/9 was opposite from any ethnics & our 
understanding, a real tragedy ... but don't let samuel p huntington be 
wright.

respect & empathy would help us ... lets change our behaviour first; 
then maybe we can change the world ...

//RJ


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try this for a laff
http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv6.htm

realjesus wrote:

> hi
>
> if the worldwide loopers (... are there any 3rd-world looper on the list
> ...) start a "war", how can we espect, that bush, blair & others will
> stop this madness ... 11/9 was opposite from any ethnics & our
> understanding, a real tragedy ... but don't let samuel p huntington be
> wright.
>
> respect & empathy would help us ... lets change our behaviour first;
> then maybe we can change the world ...
>
> //RJ

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All you loopers...=20

I am a very traditional sitarist and percussionist JUST NOW stumbling =
onto your web site. Kim, nice job!

I am EXCITED by looping, but even before I knew about this mystical =
musi, I was at a Paul Winter concert two summers ago and saw his =
percussionist using a JamMan. He can be found at livingmusic.com
But since I could not even get music stores to acknowledge a Jam Man I =
discovered Boss's Loop Station
and Digiverb. So there I am, folks. telling you about Loop Station. =
Check it out. $269.00 let me know if anyone else is using it or what. I =
am experimenting at this end and excited to speak to you in cyberspace!

Dr. Bhangra Das

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All you loopers... 


 


I am a very traditional sitarist and percussionist =
JUST NOW=20
stumbling onto your web site. Kim, nice job!


 


I am EXCITED by looping, but even before I knew =
about this=20
mystical musi, I was at a Paul Winter concert two summers ago and saw =
his=20
percussionist using a JamMan. He can be found at =
livingmusic.com


But since I could not even get music stores to=20
acknowledge a Jam Man I discovered Boss's Loop Station


and Digiverb. So there I am, folks. telling you =
about Loop=20
Station. Check it out. $269.00 let me know if anyone else is using it or =
what. I=20
am experimenting at this end and excited to speak to you in=20
cyberspace!


 


Dr. Bhangra Das


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My new year's resolution is (I almost said "was" and it's still 
January!) to restore my shop to instrument-building functionality. 
Basically that means clearing out a lot of accrued electronic gear. I 
just happen to have a Rane SM82 that's in fine shape,  and also an 
older TOA D4 and D4-E which were the trusted core of my looping rack 
for many years.

Info on the additional features of the TOA at:
http://www.toaelectronics.com/disc/manuals/D-4_4E.pdf

I don't have time to try and sell my gear on ebay or whatever, but 
let me know if you are interested. Since all of my gear was only 
driven on Sundays by a little old looper, I will try and generate a 
page listing the rest of it, in hopes of keeping it in the community.

-Alex

>Something along the lines of the Rane SM82.  That might be what I end up
>going for but I'd like to see if there are some others with more options
>such as tone controls, headphone outs, mute buttones, etc.  I'm mainly
>interested in 1-3 space mixers.  I've already got a mackie 1202 but it's
>pain in the ass to move and the rack option isn't what I'm after.
>
>Thanks
>   -Bill

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The day we question Michael Moore's ability to gather a bit of wealth 
is a sad day indeed.  I've been sitting out this OT fest, but come on 
guys.  WHAT THE FUCK?  Yeah, I'm sure Michael's snorting coke off a 
whore's ass right now while he sips Champagne.

Mark Sottilaro

On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 04:42 PM, S.P. Goodman wrote:

> And did any of the people he exploited, doing his Show, benefit other 
> than
> emotionally from it?  Or did he drag all the money home himself?
>

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> I respect your view, but for me there's something
> very "funny" about the
> whole thing: like who stood to gain the most from
> this. Hint: whom has
> gained the most from this? The Muslims and Arabs
> here or abroad?
> Afghanistan? The Taliban?
> 

it all really depends on what you mean by gained?  it
seems to me (and i am not a student of politics, so i
may be way off here) that the sole mission of the
attacks (aside from repaying some wonderful US bomb
raids in the 80s) was to destroy or at least cripple
the 'capatalist' way of life which our society is
based on.  we've all heard about life-styles in
afghanistan and other mideastern nations and western
influence poses a huge threat to maintaining their
life-style.

just as the US has pushed its belifes on many nations
over the years, this is there stab to stop that
influence.

i'm from the school where every nation should be free
to choose their own political and social systems, but
unfortunately...with the increased push on the
'globabl economy' things just don't work out right
because standards of living varies so greatly from one
part of the world to another.  it seems to me that it
was a retalliation against the global economy and the
only thing to gain was a slow-down or stop of growth
in that direction.  but it is very hard to see
anything beyond innocent deaths over others' views
when something like that happens in your back yard.

with war, there is no winner or loser...just casualties.

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--- todd reynolds  wrote:
> Does anyone on the list see ANY reason to go
> with a brand new 4.0 black face?

As I understand it (?) there won't be a choice once
existing stock of beige ones has been exhausted, since
Gibson won't be making them anymore. Maybe Alto's just
waiting until they sell off what they already have
before ordering the more expensive new ones.

-t-

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>alesis 12-r

This mixer does look good. Does anyone know if there is something out there 
like this with 4 sends? How about a used Rocktron G-612?

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 HEY LOOPERS

I AM NEW TO YOU ALL! HOWEVER, LETS STOP THE LOOP AN D GET BACK TO LOOPING. I
have
been a practicing buddhist for 25 years! My kindness is my religion and I do
care. But music is the key to stopping this madness. Going within the loop
and driving the dark forces out and remaining present in the light of it
all.
I send you ALL many blessings and good wishes and maybe we'll meet along the
way at the LOOPERS CONFERENCE in Tampa, Florida next year! Anyone want to
help?
In the meantime. let's save the world and loop? Got it? Smile more.

Best to all of you,

from INDIAbefore,

Bhangra Das

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HEY ALEX,

Just saying hi. I just found the looper's delight website and had know idea
about
looping until recently. Don't mind if I pick your brain. I am a sitarist and
a percussionist
that wants to create a fuller live sound and also include live looping and
some patch and sampling. Being a musician and not an electronics wizard. Am
I at a disadvantage here
or am I on the right track yet?

Thanks for a reply,

Doc Holiday


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"that the sole mission of the
attacks (aside from repaying some wonderful US bomb
raids in the 80s) was to destroy or at least cripple
the 'capatalist' way of life which our society is
based on."

If only they were really that naive!  Osama said in interviews prior to
9/11, he wanted to get the US to attack the Mid-east region.  Why?  To
galvanize support against the US.  What he was witnessing was too much
in-fighting amongst the Fundamentalist Muslim countries.  He wanted the
people to give up their personal bickering and look at his perceived larger
enemy: The US.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/

I am quite confident that there was never an intention of destroying the
capitalist system with the direct attack.  The intention is the bring the
world closer to global Jihad.  If Osama can polarize enough people into his
black/white mentality, he may be able to launch a real war that could most
definitely put an end to the reign of capitalism.  There is no better way to
polarize them, then to have US soldiers "stationed" in your country
attacking your neighbors/friends in the next country over.

"with war, there is no winner or loser...just casualties."

True, unless you are the crazed lunatic ordering others to their death ala
Shrub, OBL, et al.





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on 1/24/03 10:18 AM, Evan Meyers at evanmeyers@yahoo.com wrote:

> with war, there is no winner or loser...just casualties.


For we working folk that is so true.

Maybe we could all pitch in and buy an island somewhere, declare it a
neutral country but only allow incoming visas to friends and family, devise
a means to function as self-sufficient. Grow our own food, make our own
dwelling and clothes, and electricity to run the war chest of music gear
we'd have to bring one of few exceptions :) to the living with what's on the
island thing - and for which we could bring more by exporting creative works
or goods we make or grew (without giving up the santicity our the islands'
autonomy). Make up a set of simple rules for peaceful existence based on
caring out others and community, what is right, and compassion too. See how
well a group of people could function with minimal taxes/laws/fees and
fines/ expenses and so on. Could be a loving, supportive, creative  place in
theory.

it could be a great experiment/success.

Sort of like the exact opposite of that show(survivor and it's copyshows)
that flout the worst part of human nature, support putting everyone against
everyone else to win by any means necessary, to get money, for self, and all
of it phrased as "winning".

To show there's another, more spiritual "human nature" possible, a
compassionate and creative, community based island would be a great
contrast.


and just live there and enjoy being alive and  hope we don't ever see
mushroom clouds on the far off horizons, but always kind of expect it
eventually in the backs of our minds.


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So last night I went to check out the Looping Fest in Palo Alto,
featuring Rick, Goddess, Andre and Jon.  As it was the first time I've
seen an improvisational multi-looper performance, and one of the first
times I've seen such heavy use of an EDP and Repeater, it was kind of a
clinic in contemporary looping techniques for me personally.

I had a great time, first off!  I loved seeing different combinations of
players, as well as percussion instruments - I realized how boring a
standard trap kit can be when compared with all the possibilities of a
clay pot, a steel saucepan, cymbals, tablas, or frisbees (!). The
EDP-mangling was really entertaining, especially when combined with
Rick's facial expressions and Andre's subtle hip-swaying.   The high
point was a screaming duet between Goddess and Andre, as the EDP's
provided an evil dub bassline and a ghostly whine, while Jon and Rick
synced up on 32-second note hi-hats and cymbals.  Yeah!  Each of the
solo sets was also particularly enjoyable, everyone involved clearly has
developed a really unique interaction with their little magic boxes.

The glitching and repeating was really nuts, to hear and to watch.
Still, as wonderful and musical as it was to hear Rick turn
throatsinging into a children's chorus, or Andre turn a bent harmonic
into god-knows-what, I had to think about the question posed earlier
this week about the difference between an instrument and an effect or
processor....and I came out of this event feeling that looping equipment
isn't really an instrument.  An instrument is something that generates a
tone, by definition.  And though the EDP can do insane things with any
tone fed to it - you could probably snap your fingers once into a mic,
then entertain a crowd all night with warpings of that initial tone - it
doesn't actually generate a sound.  I think this is important, for me at
least, because that initial tone is SO crucial, even after twisting it
every which way.  The most interesting and musical things last night
that happened with loops were interesting and musical because of the
source; tweaking it made it exponentially more so.  But when a dry or
flat sound was fed to a loop (which happened rarely, I have to say),
processing didn't really take it anywhere, in my opinion.

I guess my point is that to make good loops with your instrument, you
gotta be good on the instrument.  Even if that instrument is a piece of
Tupperware (Rick!), you have to know how to get a good sound out of it.

For those who feel that an EDP actually is an instrument, I'm curious
whether a turntable would also fit the definition...?

thanks to Jon, Rick, Goddess and Andre for a wonderful time!  I'm bummed
I had to dash off to catch a train and couldn't meet each of you
afterwards.

Daryl Shawn
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 Even if that
> instrument is a piece of
> Tupperware (Rick!), you have to know how to get a
> good sound out of it.
> 

couldn't agree more.

> For those who feel that an EDP actually is an
> instrument, I'm curious
> whether a turntable would also fit the
> definition...?
> 

that's interesting that you mention that.  i was
discussing turntables and the directions that the
instrument (i believe that they are an instrument
because in the end you do have final control over the
sound and in essance it is an extension of your
vision...but then again, i also look at a studio as an
instrument when in the hands of an artist).

we were discussing a performance where a dj (maybe
qbert?) played the star spangled banner on his tables.
 there is also talk about creating records that have
tones on them that increment in half steps.  now in
the right hands...that could be dangerously cool to
hear.

> thanks to Jon, Rick, Goddess and Andre for a
> wonderful time!  I'm bummed
> I had to dash off to catch a train and couldn't meet
> each of you
> afterwards.
> 
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
> 


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<< snorting coke off a whore's ass >>

Sounds like a plan to me!
> The day we question Michael Moore's ability to gather a bit of wealth 
> is a sad day indeed.  I've been sitting out this OT fest, but come on 
> guys.  WHAT THE FUCK?  Yeah, I'm sure Michael's snorting coke off a 
> whore's ass right now while he sips Champagne.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 04:42 PM, S.P. Goodman wrote:
> 
> > And did any of the people he exploited, doing his Show, benefit other 
> > than
> > emotionally from it?  Or did he drag all the money home himself?
> >
> 

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Welcome to the list!  Looping tamboura and sitar has been one of my=20
dreams, but time has kept me away from these amazing instruments (I=20
already have an instrument I need to play more!)

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 10:11 AM, Doc Holiday wrote:

> All you loopers...
> =A0
> I am a very traditional sitarist and percussionist JUST NOW stumbling=20=

> onto your web site. Kim, nice job!
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Welcome to the list!  Looping tamboura and sitar has been one of my
dreams, but time has kept me away from these amazing instruments (I
already have an instrument I need to play more!)


Mark Sottilaro


On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 10:11 AM, Doc Holiday wrote:


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--- Nick Schillace  wrote:
> 
> >alesis 12-r
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> This mixer does look good. Does anyone know if there
> is something out there like this with 4 sends?

I wonder how much of a job it would be to convert the
pan pot on some or all of the channels to use as a
third send...

This posting got me looking at Gators and SKBs...

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The Palo Alto show rocked.

Mark

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Can somebody give me the exact dimensions of the PMC 10?
Just bought one but won’t be here till Tuesday and I’m working on sizing the
pedal board.

Loop on!
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This fellow I know loops a sitar, as well as guitar.  I think he's fantastic
and he's also playing next Friday at the Boston Loopfest in Inman Square,
Cambridge MA (check out http://www.randomsalt.com/bostonloopfest.php).

http://www.REPEATPEAK.com
www.CALEIYIS.com


> -----Original Message-----
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>
> HEY ALEX,
>
> Just saying hi. I just found the looper's delight website and
> had know idea
> about
> looping until recently. Don't mind if I pick your brain. I am
> a sitarist and
> a percussionist
> that wants to create a fuller live sound and also include
> live looping and
> some patch and sampling. Being a musician and not an
> electronics wizard. Am
> I at a disadvantage here
> or am I on the right track yet?
>
> Thanks for a reply,
>
> Doc Holiday
>
>
>

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i don't see any reason for getting a blackface.  i have a pair of blondes
with loop3 and i don't plan on upgrading any time soon.

apparently alto is still selling off the blondes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2503296919&category=1287

-jim


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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
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                    Show #305                    January 23, 2003.


RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star
in the spacemusic genre.  The Featured CD at midnight was "Troposphere" by
Brannan Lane on World Circle Records.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Beauty in the Beast" by Wendy Carlos on
Passport Records.

I played the music of Orbital Decay who will be at the next Soundscapes Concert
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Brannan Lane   http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan
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ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Wendy Carlos            Beauty in the Beast      Beauty in the Beast (Passport)
Richard Amos            Desert Flower            Dancing in the Desert
                                                   (Exhibit Music)
Thought Guild           Leviathan's Lament       [Context] (HRR)
Orbital Decay           Monkeyman                Orbital Decay (none)
Andy Pickford and       Disinformatsiya Part 4   Ramayana (Neu Harmony)
  Paul Nagle
Wave World              Psycho Egg               Cloudseeder (VFR)
Redshift                Leviathan:               Halo (Distant Sun)
Metlay!                 The Stars Look Down      After Silence (Atomic City)

12:00 am
Brannan Lane            Tropospheric Part I      Troposphere (World Circle)
Brannan Lane            Tropospheric Part II     Troposphere (World Circle)
Brannan Lane            Mesospheric Part I       Troposphere (World Circle)
Brannan Lane            Mesospheric Part II      Troposphere (World Circle)
Brannan Lane            Odyssea Part I           Troposphere (World Circle)
Brannan Lane            Odyssea Part II          Troposphere (World Circle)
Brannan Lane            Solar Wind               Troposphere (World Circle)
Brannan Lane            Thermosphere Part I      Troposphere (World Circle)
Brannan Lane            Thermosphere Part II     Troposphere (World Circle)
Brannan Lane            Stratosphere Part I      Troposphere (World Circle)
Brannan Lane            Stratosphere Part II     Troposphere (World Circle)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
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Bill
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> >...
> > is something out there like this with 4 sends?
> 
> I wonder how much of a job it would be to convert the
> pan pot on some or all of the channels to use as a
> third send...

i thought about maybe modding it to make 
the eqs into two more post-fader sends. 
i don't like using the eq's anyway.
(you can use the inserts as pre-fader outs using 
certain super-secret cabling methods)

i even opened up the case to see if they used those
crappy pots printed on the pcb that alesis used to
be infamous for. that would make mods harder to do.
luckily they're not...


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www.devine-machine.com

I'm sure u will all like it :)

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I'm sure u will all like it :)


 


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Is anyone using LIVE for loop playbacks? I see some of the laptop DJ's here 
in NYC using them but I'm not sure if there are using thier 'own' sounds...I 
think it uses wav files ???

Thanks
LOU



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>I'm sure u will all like it :)
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I am, and it can't be beat... and i'm using aiff files...  but I'm also a
mac guy.

t.

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> Is anyone using LIVE for loop playbacks? I see some of the laptop DJ's here
> in NYC using them but I'm not sure if there are using thier 'own' sounds...I
> think it uses wav files ???
> 
> Thanks
> LOU
> 
> 
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In a message dated 1/24/03 1:25:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


> . Maybe Alto's just
> waiting until they sell off what they already have
> before ordering the more expensive new ones.
> 

im still waiting to hear the answer to the question though.....would it 
better to buy the old edp and get the upgrade or buy the new more expensive 
one.....will the features be the same?.....michael

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. Maybe Alto's just

waiting until they sell off what they already have

before ordering the more expensive new ones.






im still waiting to hear the answer to the question though.....would it better to buy the old edp and get the upgrade or buy the new more expensive one.....will the features be the same?.....michael

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After reading the past couple of messages about the
EDP's gain structure, I realized that this is probably
the source of the headroom problems I noticed last
night with my newly-acquired EDP with LoopIII 3.2.  I
pulled the specs for the upgrade from the website
(many thanks, Kim!), and noticed that 1% metal film
resistors are specified.  Is a 1% resistor really
necessary, or can I get by with, say, a 5% resistor?

Thanks,
Scott



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>
>is the EDP a "zero-crossing adjusted" loop machine, as opposed to the
>repeater which is, i assume, a "cross-fade style" machine like the method
>mentioned by Dennis in his post?

no, its just fade-in, fade-out.
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I'm in. I can also vouch for 2 of my close friends that they will want in, but they don't play music. Will mere music enthusiasts be allowed in? Oh, and is it alright if we instate laws requiring renewable power sources, organic, free range farming, and legalize marijuana? I sound like such a hippy. Hell, I even listen to the Grateful Dead. Nonetheless I am no hippy. My friend recently bought desert land in New Mexico that he is going to irrigate and cultivate. My other friend had an even better idea to buy a homestead in Bolivia. If need be, I'll be taking a long vacation until the rest of the world is done dying. So, in all seriousness, I would actually try what you're talking about. Peace. - Kirk
 glenn  wrote:
on 1/24/03 10:18 AM, Evan Meyers at evanmeyers@yahoo.com wrote:

> with war, there is no winner or loser...just casualties.


For we working folk that is so true.

Maybe we could all pitch in and buy an island somewhere, declare it a
neutral country but only allow incoming visas to friends and family, devise
a means to function as self-sufficient. Grow our own food, make our own
dwelling and clothes, and electricity to run the war chest of music gear
we'd have to bring one of few exceptions :) to the living with what's on the
island thing - and for which we could bring more by exporting creative works
or goods we make or grew (without giving up the santicity our the islands'
autonomy). Make up a set of simple rules for peaceful existence based on
caring out others and community, what is right, and compassion too. See how
well a group of people could function with minimal taxes/laws/fees and
fines/ expenses and so on. Could be a loving, supportive, creative place in
theory.

it could be a great experiment/success.

Sort of like the exact opposite of that show(survivor and it's copyshows)
that flout the worst part of human nature, support putting everyone against
everyone else to win by any means necessary, to get money, for self, and all
of it phrased as "winning".

To show there's another, more spiritual "human nature" possible, a
compassionate and creative, community based island would be a great
contrast.


and just live there and enjoy being alive and hope we don't ever see
mushroom clouds on the far off horizons, but always kind of expect it
eventually in the backs of our minds.


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I'm in. I can also vouch for 2 of my close friends that they will want in, but they don't play music. Will mere music enthusiasts be allowed in? Oh, and is it alright if we instate laws requiring renewable power sources, organic, free range farming, and legalize marijuana? I sound like such a hippy. Hell, I even listen to the Grateful Dead. Nonetheless I am no hippy. My friend recently bought desert land in New Mexico that he is going to irrigate and cultivate. My other friend had an even better idea to buy a homestead in Bolivia. If need be, I'll be taking a long vacation until the rest of the world is done dying. So, in all seriousness, I would actually try what you're talking about. Peace. - Kirk

 glenn <glenn234@pacbell.net> wrote:


on 1/24/03 10:18 AM, Evan Meyers at evanmeyers@yahoo.com wrote:

> with war, there is no winner or loser...just casualties.


For we working folk that is so true.

Maybe we could all pitch in and buy an island somewhere, declare it a
neutral country but only allow incoming visas to friends and family, devise
a means to function as self-sufficient. Grow our own food, make our own
dwelling and clothes, and electricity to run the war chest of music gear
we'd have to bring one of few exceptions :) to the living with what's on the
island thing - and for which we could bring more by exporting creative works
or goods we make or grew (without giving up the santicity our the islands'
autonomy). Make up a set of simple rules for peaceful existence based on
caring out others and community, what is right, and compassion too. See how
well a group of people could function with minimal taxes/laws/fees and
fines/ expenses and so on. Could be a loving, supportive, creative place in
theory.

it could be a great experiment/success.

Sort of like the exact opposite of that show(survivor and it's copyshows)
that flout the worst part of human nature, support putting everyone against
everyone else to win by any means necessary, to get money, for self, and all
of it phrased as "winning".

To show there's another, more spiritual "human nature" possible, a
compassionate and creative, community based island would be a great
contrast.


and just live there and enjoy being alive and hope we don't ever see
mushroom clouds on the far off horizons, but always kind of expect it
eventually in the backs of our minds.


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Guys and Gals, I'm just as fervent about opposing the impending war 
on Iraq as the next person, but we are completely 
losing LOOPERS DELIGHT.

this is a LOOPING WEBSITE.

Can't we please return to posting about LOOPING or at least the music
related to looping?

yours, sincerely

Rick Walker


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Hey Daryl,

I am new to this whole looping art form... so bear with me, here. I like
your comments about your experience at the Looping Fest... I am a sitarist
of about 24 years and want to take that and my percussion to the next level.
I like live, but I want to do more. I have been in a tradition of Indian
music-- studying and learning from my own teacher Roop Verma, a student of
Ravi Shankar and himself a great performer. I have been out playing
percussion with a latin band for a long time, but also play sitar in a
different setting and accompanied by a wonderful didgeridoo player plus lots
of hand percussion! So here we go... I discovered Boss's loop station and a
digiverb. So these are my first tools of the trade. Any help along the way
would be appreciated. I think I like this whole loop-age.
Best,

Dr. Bhangra Das

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>
> So last night I went to check out the Looping Fest in Palo Alto,
> featuring Rick, Goddess, Andre and Jon.  As it was the first time I've
> seen an improvisational multi-looper performance, and one of the first
> times I've seen such heavy use of an EDP and Repeater, it was kind of a
> clinic in contemporary looping techniques for me personally.
>
> I had a great time, first off!  I loved seeing different combinations of
> players, as well as percussion instruments - I realized how boring a
> standard trap kit can be when compared with all the possibilities of a
> clay pot, a steel saucepan, cymbals, tablas, or frisbees (!). The
> EDP-mangling was really entertaining, especially when combined with
> Rick's facial expressions and Andre's subtle hip-swaying.   The high
> point was a screaming duet between Goddess and Andre, as the EDP's
> provided an evil dub bassline and a ghostly whine, while Jon and Rick
> synced up on 32-second note hi-hats and cymbals.  Yeah!  Each of the
> solo sets was also particularly enjoyable, everyone involved clearly has
> developed a really unique interaction with their little magic boxes.
>
> The glitching and repeating was really nuts, to hear and to watch.
> Still, as wonderful and musical as it was to hear Rick turn
> throatsinging into a children's chorus, or Andre turn a bent harmonic
> into god-knows-what, I had to think about the question posed earlier
> this week about the difference between an instrument and an effect or
> processor....and I came out of this event feeling that looping equipment
> isn't really an instrument.  An instrument is something that generates a
> tone, by definition.  And though the EDP can do insane things with any
> tone fed to it - you could probably snap your fingers once into a mic,
> then entertain a crowd all night with warpings of that initial tone - it
> doesn't actually generate a sound.  I think this is important, for me at
> least, because that initial tone is SO crucial, even after twisting it
> every which way.  The most interesting and musical things last night
> that happened with loops were interesting and musical because of the
> source; tweaking it made it exponentially more so.  But when a dry or
> flat sound was fed to a loop (which happened rarely, I have to say),
> processing didn't really take it anywhere, in my opinion.
>
> I guess my point is that to make good loops with your instrument, you
> gotta be good on the instrument.  Even if that instrument is a piece of
> Tupperware (Rick!), you have to know how to get a good sound out of it.
>
> For those who feel that an EDP actually is an instrument, I'm curious
> whether a turntable would also fit the definition...?
>
> thanks to Jon, Rick, Goddess and Andre for a wonderful time!  I'm bummed
> I had to dash off to catch a train and couldn't meet each of you
> afterwards.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
>
>

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Thanks Mark.. Tell me more!

Dr. Bhangra Das (aka Doc Holiday)
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  Welcome to the list! Looping tamboura and sitar has been one of my =
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  Mark Sottilaro

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Aside from the word of alto music, is there any reason(s) that the old-style
blond boxes are "far better"? Just wondering. Exactly what are the
functional and structural differences between the blonde and the black
echoplexes. I am not uncomfortable with installing software via midi ports.

Alex
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> hmm.  I just called alto, who said they wouldn't be carrying the new
> blackfaced ones as they were very expensive and buying an upgrade for a
> blond face  was far better.  Does anyone on the list see ANY reason to go
> with a brand new 4.0 black face?  except for avoiding installation?
>
> I'll be selling my old obie, footswitch, and repeater soon...  not to
> mention my filterfactory and mofx.
>
> t.
>
> On 1/24/03 6:05 AM, "jimfowler"  wrote:
>
> > i don't think i would call it excessive noise, but the input and output
> > gains were basically useless.  it would clip way too soon.  the fidelity
> > just wasn't the same...
> >
> > and proper resistors had been "upgraded" but the machines (new vs. old)
> > still didn't compare.
> >
> > i would try for a new edp and see if that helps.  otherwise, i think
your
> > problem might lie elsewhere.  my edps are terribly quiet.
> >
> > -jim
> >
> >
>

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Hi from the newcomer:

It was suggested to me that I should subscribe to the Digest so that I =
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welcome bhangra das. good to have you aboard!! in conjunction with the =
other comments you will surly get with your question, please see the =
link below for this wonderful percussion instrument. for someone like =
your self this might be just the thing to solve some of your micing =
problems.

http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?catid=3D5&subcatid=3D26&prod=
id=3DHPD%2D15

i recently purchased one of these used for 750.00 us dollars. it is one =
of the smartest recording/performing investments i have made in a while.

best of luck to you!

peace
jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


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  Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:34 PM
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  I am new to the clan... am interested in looping live sitar and =
percussion. I play both. Thanks all.
  Bhangra Das
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someone=20
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sp?catid=3D5&subcatid=3D26&prodid=3DHPD%2D15


 


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best of luck to you!


 


peace


jimmy george


http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


 


 



  
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Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 =
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live sitar=20
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Hey Jimmy,

Thanks for the reply and the info. I checked out your website briefly-- =
you guys play in the Denver area. I will check you out next time I am in =
town.=20

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Thanks,


 


Bhangra 



  
 


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>i recently purchased one of these used for 750.00 us dollars. it is one of
the smartest recording/performing
>investments i have made in a while.

That being said re: the Handsonic,  I would like to add that I have
STUBBORNLY resisted integrating electronic pre-sampled sounds into my
performance and besides being saddled with that much more stuff to carry, I
have not regretted it for one moment.  There is a lot to be said for playing
a real acoustic instrument - there's so much room for expression there,  and
I just haven't found it even with an instrument as nice as the handsonic.
Jon

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What exactly are you saying? You now use Handsonic or don't and are thankful
or...

Interested,
Cliff

> That being said re: the Handsonic,  I would like to add that I have
> STUBBORNLY resisted integrating electronic pre-sampled sounds into my
> performance and besides being saddled with that much more stuff to carry,
I
> have not regretted it for one moment.  There is a lot to be said for
playing
> a real acoustic instrument - there's so much room for expression there,
and
> I just haven't found it even with an instrument as nice as the handsonic.
> Jon
>
>
>


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have you heard one yet? essentially they have gone to all the trouble of
truly micing the various 600 + instruments this machine holds in the best
most professional manner. if you record to digital you are doing the same
thing with probably less quality. hard disk recording IS sampling. i record
both acoustic and electric drums. with the v drum technology this instrument
does allot to discredit your bias decision to not investigate further. the
velocity sensitivity is comparable to real drums believe it or no. they way
it is laid out truly accommodates how a percussionist's hand would sit on
the real deal. this is a real time playing machine that is also
programmable. i almost always record with hit real time. same applies to
live performances with this instrument. the roland handsonic sounds better
than the 'real' thing. perhaps you have heard and investigated this
instrument further. you are certainly entitled to your opinion in this
round.

jimmy
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


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> >i recently purchased one of these used for 750.00 us dollars. it is one
of
> the smartest recording/performing
> >investments i have made in a while.
>
> That being said re: the Handsonic,  I would like to add that I have
> STUBBORNLY resisted integrating electronic pre-sampled sounds into my
> performance and besides being saddled with that much more stuff to carry,
I
> have not regretted it for one moment.  There is a lot to be said for
playing
> a real acoustic instrument - there's so much room for expression there,
and
> I just haven't found it even with an instrument as nice as the handsonic.
> Jon
>
>

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oh he will...

j

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> What exactly are you saying? You now use Handsonic or don't and are
thankful
> or...
>
> Interested,
> Cliff
>
> > That being said re: the Handsonic,  I would like to add that I have
> > STUBBORNLY resisted integrating electronic pre-sampled sounds into my
> > performance and besides being saddled with that much more stuff to
carry,
> I
> > have not regretted it for one moment.  There is a lot to be said for
> playing
> > a real acoustic instrument - there's so much room for expression there,
> and
> > I just haven't found it even with an instrument as nice as the
handsonic.
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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I´d like to find a Repeater loop recorder. I´ve seen it once, I´m hooked... Wanna buy me own.
VilleH 

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i think we need to make the discernment between the blonde oberheim units,
blonde gibson units, and the new black gibsons.

i had a problem with the oberheim but my blonde gibsons work fine.

i think the only differences on the new edp+ is the presence of loop4, round
buttons, and black panel.

-jim


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Not much of a response, dickhead.  Does it hurt, much?

Go play your instrument and you'll feel better.


> Right-wingers are SUCH dickweeds. Heh heh heh...
> > Oh I forgot the Illuminati.  Pah.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Neil Goldstein" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 00:58:AM
> > Subject: RE: Bowling for columbine
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Do you ask this question to the 'business as usual' journalists bought
> > > and paid for by the media conglomerates? Is MM supposed to deliver
> > > welfare to laid off workers?; restore lives to parents who lost kids
> > > murdered by a gun?
> > >
> > > I think to get his 'against the grain' journalism out demands some
> > > theatrics, and MM is that rare person who gets the message out to the
> > > mainstream. I applaud his chutzpah. That is what America is supposed
to
> > > be about!
> > >
> > > Maybe you don't agree with the message, but don't shoot the messenger.
> > >
> > > Be skeptical of your Govt, not a performance artist/journalist!!!
> > >
> > > (there's a lot more I'd like to say, but it was deleted by my Inner
> > > Moderator)
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:42 PM
> > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > >
> > > And did any of the people he exploited, doing his Show, benefit other
> > > than
> > > emotionally from it?  Or did he drag all the money home himself?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Butch" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 00:13:AM
> > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > >
> > >
> > > > I just saw it Saturday night. It's an excellent film. Yes, he
panders
> > > > somewhat, but so what?! What about all the right-wing radio/TV
shows?
> > > >
> > > > There's lots of humor in the film in the same vein as 'Roger and
Me'.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Paul
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "S.P. Goodman" 
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Sorry, not that gullible here.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Evan Meyers" 
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 19:52:PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career
> > > > > > > as a professional
> > > > > > > asshole with a camera, and not much else.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i've always seen him as a defender of the people.  his
> > > > > > actions in making the film helped to pull bullets of
> > > > > > the shelves of the retail giant, kmart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I liked
> > > > > > > the brief moments of
> > > > > > > non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up
> > > > > > > occasionally on "TV Nation", but
> > > > > > > that's about it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tv nation was a brilliant show, but whether you are a
> > > > > > moore fan or not, you should see this
> > > > > > movie...especially if you are an american.  if nothing
> > > > > > else, it can help you to understand the reason why
> > > > > > americans have such a miserable stereo-type worldwide.
> > > > > >  it may not give any of the right answers to solving
> > > > > > america's violence problems, but it sure asks the
> > > > > > right questions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > S.P. Goodman
> > > > > > > EarthLight Productions
> > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and
> > > > > > > Illustrations!
> > > > > > > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via
> > > > > > > Medialine!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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Thought I'd toss this one out before the day was over.  Brought me a snicker
in the midst of all this foofarah.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and
deserve to get it good and hard." - H.L. Mencken

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I didn't question his ability to gather wealth.  I question his true
intentions, in the line of:

"How much is he really helping the people he keeps telling us he's
championing?"

There, how's that?

From: "Mark Sottilaro" :
> The day we question Michael Moore's ability to gather a bit of wealth
> is a sad day indeed.  I've been sitting out this OT fest, but come on
> guys.  WHAT THE FUCK?  Yeah, I'm sure Michael's snorting coke off a
> whore's ass right now while he sips Champagne.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 04:42 PM, S.P. Goodman wrote:
>
> > And did any of the people he exploited, doing his Show, benefit other
> > than
> > emotionally from it?  Or did he drag all the money home himself?
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A belated welcome, Bhangra!  Didn't think you'd get deluged with =
messages like this didja? :)

It's not every day that LD generates this many messages - though I =
recall it's usually political stuff that does so, easily identified and =
eliminated, if one chooses to not jump in. :) =20

(By the way, I'm a Libertarian, and not necessarily a "right-winger" =
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A belated welcome, Bhangra!  Didn't think =
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> live performances with this instrument. the roland handsonic sounds better
> than the 'real' thing. perhaps you have heard and investigated this

I don't think I was very clear in my last message.  Sorry.  Actually I agree
with you, the handsonic does sound pretty damn good and its also relatively
playable.  My personal beef with it is this (And I already meantioned that I
know its a really STUBBORN viewpoint):  I think people would enjoy watching
me play my various acoustic percussion instruments more than watching me
play the handsonic.  Also, when I play an acoustic instrument, I get a very
distinct feeling - the user interface is 100% seamless on a doumbek (for a
patch change, I pick up my shaker). For me the performance aspect of live
instruments outweighs the significant loss in sonic fidelity.  It is for
this reason that I do not own a handsonic, plus the thought of how many
really cool percussion instruments I could buy for $750.

That's all.  Just trying to present another opinion, which might be
important for someone new to looping and not sure which direction to go.
The last thing I'm trying to do is force my opinion on anyone else, just
throwing it out there.
Jon

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making fun of sleazy corporations and exposing evil in our society
is a far more admirable way to make money then most.
he's on the side of the individual and a patriot in the real sense.
a spokeman for a positive future, and a hero to many.
not a whinny right wing chump lapping at masters teat


S.P. Goodman wrote:

> I didn't question his ability to gather wealth.  I question his true
> intentions, in the line of:
>
> "How much is he really helping the people he keeps telling us he's
> championing?"
>
>

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I'm one of those who enjoys watching you play acoustic instruments more than a
gadget that simulates them.  One of the great things about an acoustic
instrument is the way it emanates sound from its actual location.  Last night at
the LoopFest, Rick and Jon both played various things, framedrum, plastic
bullroarer, saucepan, while moving around or from different locations, and it
was incredibly refreshing in contrast to the instruments created sound from a
fixed, amplified source.

You'd have to sample a hand drum a thousand times to get all the different
possibilities from the hand on the surface.  I have nothing against electronics
per se, but I enjoy them best when used for their capability to create
unheard-of sounds, rather than imitating long-perfected ones.  I imagine the
handsonic would be a great interface for a hand percussionist to control MIDI
sounds in otherwise difficult ways, for example.

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


> I think people would enjoy watching
> me play my various acoustic percussion instruments more than watching me
> play the handsonic.

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Yeah, he keeps saying so.

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> making fun of sleazy corporations and exposing evil in our society
> is a far more admirable way to make money then most.
> he's on the side of the individual and a patriot in the real sense.
> a spokeman for a positive future, and a hero to many.
> not a whinny right wing chump lapping at masters teat
> 
> 
> S.P. Goodman wrote:
> 
> > I didn't question his ability to gather wealth.  I question his true
> > intentions, in the line of:
> >
> > "How much is he really helping the people he keeps telling us he's
> > championing?"
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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indeed. bty they have sampled it how ever many times it took to get the
thing to sound so good and versatile. has anyone of you handsonic bashers
tried the thing yet???

on the point of appearance, yes i also typically enjoy the 'physical
performance' in addition to a good sound etc. passion is passion though, and
good music is good music. if one is sampling their performance then hitting
play at the show is very different from a hands on performance. i will never
knock the real thing when it comes to drums, my point is that the handsonic
is a fantastic addition with very practicle applications for music live and
recorded.

don't knock i till you try it, or do. what ever flips your needs...

as for looping live with midi... it's the chit!

jg
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>
> I'm one of those who enjoys watching you play acoustic instruments more
than a
> gadget that simulates them.  One of the great things about an acoustic
> instrument is the way it emanates sound from its actual location.  Last
night at
> the LoopFest, Rick and Jon both played various things, framedrum, plastic
> bullroarer, saucepan, while moving around or from different locations, and
it
> was incredibly refreshing in contrast to the instruments created sound
from a
> fixed, amplified source.
>
> You'd have to sample a hand drum a thousand times to get all the different
> possibilities from the hand on the surface.  I have nothing against
electronics
> per se, but I enjoy them best when used for their capability to create
> unheard-of sounds, rather than imitating long-perfected ones.  I imagine
the
> handsonic would be a great interface for a hand percussionist to control
MIDI
> sounds in otherwise difficult ways, for example.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
>
>
> > I think people would enjoy watching
> > me play my various acoustic percussion instruments more than watching me
> > play the handsonic.
>
>

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I keep trying to sell or trade mine......

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danm good idea.  sounds like fun.  it been done though, its called a commune.  there are hundreds in the US alone.  its funny, most people dont come close to realizing how diverse the US (and the world for that matter) are.  There are thousands of people across the country with lifestyles so utterly different than "mainstream" culture and not only do people not know about these lifestyles, most people wouldn't believe it if you told them. -chris




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hey loopers

i just bought a second hand (2yr old) DL4 and have found badness ocurring.

Whenever the processor is engaged it makes a loud static/whitenoise/kkrkrkkrkrkrk
kinda noise that is nearly as loud as the effect sound. 

Are there any DL4 users out there who have come across this?


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In a message dated 1/24/03 7:42:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> when I play an acoustic instrument, I get a very
> distinct feeling - the user interface is 100% seamless 

jon.....i get the same feeling playing an accoustic as oppossed to an 
electric guitar.....two totally different animals, till ya start to loop and 
add some o that warpage!.....self created sounds/sampled sounds, i loves them 
all.....nice reviews on your shows out there, btb, i would have been there 
but i dig 2 weeks of sub freezing temps more than sunny 
loops.....:).....michael

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In a message dated 1/24/03 7:42:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, jondrums@hotmail.com writes:






when I play an acoustic instrument, I get a very

distinct feeling - the user interface is 100% seamless 




jon.....i get the same feeling playing an accoustic as oppossed to an electric guitar.....two totally different animals, till ya start to loop and add some o that warpage!.....self created sounds/sampled sounds, i loves them all.....nice reviews on your shows out there, btb, i would have been there but i dig 2 weeks of sub freezing temps more than sunny loops.....:).....michael

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Hello, I’m selling the following units:

SansAmp Bass Driver (box & manual included) 		       $145


Lexicon Vortex (manual, PS & foot switch included) 		 $195

Lexicon LXP-1 (manual & PS included) 		                      $125

               Both lexicon units have been serviced with new pots, 
resoldered jacks, etc.


Prices INCLUDE shipping within the 48 USA contiguous too…

Please contact me directly at:		tarbit@hotmail.com

Regards
Louis


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anybody have one or at least have some experience with one?  

-jim


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I echo these questions:

Exactly what are the functional and structural differences between:

    Oberheim Blonde
    Gibson Blonde
    Gibson Black

Incidently, my Obie is a consistant starter.  No problems.   My blonde
Gibsons are more iffy.

David

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...and i've never had a single problem with my gibson blondes...

-jim


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I sort of agree, but I would say there is one seam; one seam which becomes thinner and thinner the closer one gets to mastering the instrument, and in some cases is blurred to the point of near invisibility, but never totally disappears. I am young, starry eyed and ambitious. Peace. - Kirk
 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/24/03 7:42:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, jondrums@hotmail.com writes:


when I play an acoustic instrument, I get a very
distinct feeling - the user interface is 100% seamless 

jon.....i get the same feeling playing an accoustic as oppossed to an electric guitar.....two totally different animals, till ya start to loop and add some o that warpage!.....self created sounds/sampled sounds, i loves them all.....nice reviews on your shows out there, btb, i would have been there but i dig 2 weeks of sub freezing temps more than sunny loops.....:).....michael 
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I sort of agree, but I would say there is one seam; one seam which becomes thinner and thinner the closer one gets to mastering the instrument, and in some cases is blurred to the point of near invisibility, but never totally disappears. I am young, starry eyed and ambitious. Peace. - Kirk

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when I play an acoustic instrument, I get a very
distinct feeling - the user interface is 100% seamless 


jon.....i get the same feeling playing an accoustic as oppossed to an electric guitar.....two totally different animals, till ya start to loop and add some o that warpage!.....self created sounds/sampled sounds, i loves them all.....nice reviews on your shows out there, btb, i would have been there but i dig 2 weeks of sub freezing temps more than sunny loops.....:).....michael 

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For the future of music I predict a synthesis (no pun intended) of new and old technology, of improvisation and sequencing/composition, of human and machine, where all the components are interdependant, and the result becomes more than the product of it's components, in one inified system, because each variable multiplies the functionality of each other variable. If I could train/build myself into my own ideal human/machine designed for music, I would improvise like Coltrane, Jarrett and Miles, I would compose like Stravinsky, Ravel, Rodrigo, and Takemitsu, I'd have the voice of James Brown meets Jeff Buckley and Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn, I would be built from flesh and bone with six arms, grey matter, 6/12/bari guitar, synth, Mac, Protools, plugins, loopers, sequencer, a host of stompboxes, circuit bent toys, and exotic instruments, a nice horn and strings section, and I'd be a totally hand built blend of tube,analog, and digital, plus some crazy speaker designs, all gold wiring, and sex organs. 
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For the future of music I predict a synthesis (no pun intended) of new and old technology, of improvisation and sequencing/composition, of human and machine, where all the components are interdependant, and the result becomes more than the product of it's components, in one inified system, because each variable multiplies the functionality of each other variable. If I could train/build myself into my own ideal human/machine designed for music, I would improvise like Coltrane, Jarrett and Miles, I would compose like Stravinsky, Ravel, Rodrigo, and Takemitsu, I'd have the voice of James Brown meets Jeff Buckley and Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn, I would be built from flesh and bone with six arms, grey matter, 6/12/bari guitar, synth, Mac, Protools, plugins, loopers, sequencer, a host of stompboxes, circuit bent toys, and exotic instruments, a nice horn and strings section, and I'd be a totally hand built blend of tube,analog, and digital, plus some crazy speaker designs, all gold wiring, and sex organs. 
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> Maybe we could all pitch in and buy an island somewhere, declare it a
> neutral country but only allow incoming visas to friends and family,
devise
> a means to function as self-sufficient. Grow our own food, make our own
> dwelling and clothes, and electricity to run the war chest of music gear
> we'd have to bring one of few exceptions :)

And if we just declare our intention to start a nuclear weapons program for
self-defence, then accepted US economic aid in exchange for abandoning it,
we'd have lots of money for new gear...

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> have you heard one yet? essentially they have gone to all the trouble of
>  truly micing the various 600 + instruments this machine holds in the best
>  most professional manner. 

yes, I've heard one.
and the other Roland gear which shares samples.
...and I somewhat dispute what you say.

600 instruments? I doubt it.
Roland wavetable synths have many 100's of patches,
but these are derived from a limited number of samples.
OK , there's probably over 100 samples, but many of these
are Roland's useless phrases, (and some are digital waveforms).
Actually you don't get that many instruments.

Out of the samples you do get, most are acceptable but
many have unwanted extraneous sounds.
Where the samples are looped, some are good, but
some are really obvious.
Sound quality isn't anywhere near pro-studio 
standards.( not to say the sounds are unusable though)

To really use the Roland stuff IMHO you need to 
program your own patches (although I did
find the Handsonic Djembe to be very playable)

The whole idea seems to be to create an "instrument"
that sounds impressive on demo (in the shop, and on
the roland CD), some of what seem 
to be impressive and useful sounds are actually part of a 
single phrase sample which is musically useless.

Roland don't have any facility for user feedback
(er...just like Yamaha) so I guess they don't
much care.

A good example.... the Roland gamelan patches
all sustain after Note-Off. Anyone with a vague 
knowledge of Gamelan would know that this
renders a Gamelan simulation impossible.

Well, all this in interest of balance.
I'm now a JV-1010 owner (+Asia exp) so
I speak from experience.

Ultimately  I'll be triggering the Roland samples from
my guitar, in the interest of combining some
contrasting sounds with the guitar pallet
......but its going to take a lot of patch programming to
make it work. 

also the sample mice keep hiding in the skirting board 

andy butler
 
 

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Try this one...Illuminati, my ass.

----- Original Message -----
From: "S.P. Goodman" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine


> Not much of a response, dickhead.  Does it hurt, much?
>
> Go play your instrument and you'll feel better.
>
>
> > Right-wingers are SUCH dickweeds. Heh heh heh...
> > > Oh I forgot the Illuminati.  Pah.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Neil Goldstein" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 00:58:AM
> > > Subject: RE: Bowling for columbine
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you ask this question to the 'business as usual' journalists
bought
> > > > and paid for by the media conglomerates? Is MM supposed to deliver
> > > > welfare to laid off workers?; restore lives to parents who lost kids
> > > > murdered by a gun?
> > > >
> > > > I think to get his 'against the grain' journalism out demands some
> > > > theatrics, and MM is that rare person who gets the message out to
the
> > > > mainstream. I applaud his chutzpah. That is what America is supposed
> to
> > > > be about!
> > > >
> > > > Maybe you don't agree with the message, but don't shoot the
messenger.
> > > >
> > > > Be skeptical of your Govt, not a performance artist/journalist!!!
> > > >
> > > > (there's a lot more I'd like to say, but it was deleted by my Inner
> > > > Moderator)
> > > >
> > > > Neil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:42 PM
> > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > >
> > > > And did any of the people he exploited, doing his Show, benefit
other
> > > > than
> > > > emotionally from it?  Or did he drag all the money home himself?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Butch" 
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 00:13:AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I just saw it Saturday night. It's an excellent film. Yes, he
> panders
> > > > > somewhat, but so what?! What about all the right-wing radio/TV
> shows?
> > > > >
> > > > > There's lots of humor in the film in the same vein as 'Roger and
> Me'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards, Paul
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "S.P. Goodman" 
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:14 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry, not that gullible here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Evan Meyers" 
> > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 19:52:PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career
> > > > > > > > as a professional
> > > > > > > > asshole with a camera, and not much else.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i've always seen him as a defender of the people.  his
> > > > > > > actions in making the film helped to pull bullets of
> > > > > > > the shelves of the retail giant, kmart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I liked
> > > > > > > > the brief moments of
> > > > > > > > non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up
> > > > > > > > occasionally on "TV Nation", but
> > > > > > > > that's about it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tv nation was a brilliant show, but whether you are a
> > > > > > > moore fan or not, you should see this
> > > > > > > movie...especially if you are an american.  if nothing
> > > > > > > else, it can help you to understand the reason why
> > > > > > > americans have such a miserable stereo-type worldwide.
> > > > > > >  it may not give any of the right answers to solving
> > > > > > > america's violence problems, but it sure asks the
> > > > > > > right questions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > S.P. Goodman
> > > > > > > > EarthLight Productions
> > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and
> > > > > > > > Illustrations!
> > > > > > > > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via
> > > > > > > > Medialine!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: Louie Angulo 
> > > > > > > > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > > > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Bowling for columbine
> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:13:49 -0800 (PST)
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> > > > > > > > (UTC)
> > > > > > > > > FILETIME=[7DF7A2E0:01C2C2B7]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is this movie being shown in America? Just hit the
> > > > > > > > > movie theaters here a couple of weeks a go and it
> > > > > > > > > seems to be enjoying success in europe.
> > > > > > > > > (Warning: patriots may not like it)
> > > > > > > > > cheers
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- Doug Johnson  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >  > Nah, if they wanted to do that they should
> > > > > > > > have...
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >  > 1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >  > buildings.  Hitting early
> > > > > > > > >  > / mid morning winds up taking out facilities
> > > > > > > > workers
> > > > > > > > >  > like dish washers.
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >  > 2) If they were REALLY after "corporate greed"
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > >  > would have taken out
> > > > > > > > >  > Delaware's captial or records hall
> > > > > > > > >  >
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> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >  > joking aside;
> > > > > > > > >  > 'america' was NOT attacked.
> > > > > > > > >  > two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of
> > > > > > > > greed.
> > > > > > > > >  > 2. world's largest war
> > > > > > > > >  > machine
> > > > > > > > >  > the real question is who ALL was involved, who
> > > > > > > > is in
> > > > > > > > >  > a posistion to gain
> > > > > > > > >  > from
> > > > > > > > >  > the
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try this :
www.devine-machine.com

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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: todd reynolds=20
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  Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:48 PM
  Subject: Re: "Live" software for loop remixes


  I am, and it can't be beat... and i'm using aiff files...  but I'm =
also a
  mac guy.

  t.

  On 1/24/03 3:41 PM, "Louis Rossi"  wrote:

  > Is anyone using LIVE for loop playbacks? I see some of the laptop =
DJ's here
  > in NYC using them but I'm not sure if there are using thier 'own' =
sounds...I
  > think it uses wav files ???
  >=20
  > Thanks
  > LOU
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  >> From: "link" 
  >> Reply-To: "link" 
  >> To: <>
  >> Subject: new loop remix software
  >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:39:22 +0100
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  >> I'm sure u will all like it :)
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try this :


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  remixes

  

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are using=20
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> think it uses wav files ???
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Nice thought and maybe a bit of time for some sleep as
well!
cheers
L.a
www.laaba.com



--- Kirkland Mack  wrote:
> For the future of music I predict a synthesis (no
> pun intended) of new and old technology, of
> improvisation and sequencing/composition, of human
> and machine, where all the components are
> interdependant, and the result becomes more than the
> product of it's components, in one inified system,
> because each variable multiplies the functionality
> of each other variable. If I could train/build
> myself into my own ideal human/machine designed for
> music, I would improvise like Coltrane, Jarrett and
> Miles, I would compose like Stravinsky, Ravel,
> Rodrigo, and Takemitsu, I'd have the voice of James
> Brown meets Jeff Buckley and Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn,
> I would be built from flesh and bone with six arms,
> grey matter, 6/12/bari guitar, synth, Mac, Protools,
> plugins, loopers, sequencer, a host of stompboxes,
> circuit bent toys, and exotic instruments, a nice
> horn and strings section, and I'd be a totally hand
> built blend of tube,analog, and digital, plus some
> crazy speaker designs, all gold wiring!
> , and sex organs. 


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Hi Bhangra, I "sacrificed" my guitars to sitar a year ago and started my
"creative break" replacing performing for studying sitar with my teacher.
Since my previous music style depended heavily on looping, for a while I am
pondering how to approach the sitar with looping, and whether
I should.  It feels a little sacriligious... :-)  The questions I am trying
to resolve are two: (a) how can looping become a part of a classical rag
without
becoming too techno based, and (b) how to step on the midi trigers while
sitting in a standard position.  I have been trying to use various switches
but I am not happy with any solution yet.  Do you already loop the sitar, or
are you experimenting with it?

petr
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Judging from your smtp address, you may be associated with this software.
How would compare/contrast devine-machine with LIVE?

P.S. Please only send plain text to the list, html looks pretty dang ugly in
the digest ... ;-)

Thanks,

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: link [mailto:link@devine-machine.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:05 AM
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try this :
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Subject: Re: "Live" software for loop remixes


I am, and it can't be beat... and i'm using aiff files...  but I'm also a
mac guy.

t.

On 1/24/03 3:41 PM, "Louis Rossi"  wrote:

> Is anyone using LIVE for loop playbacks? I see some of the laptop DJ's
here
> in NYC using them but I'm not sure if there are using thier 'own'
sounds...I
> think it uses wav files ???
>
> Thanks
> LOU
>
>
>
>> From: "link" 
>> Reply-To: "link" 
>> To: <>
>> Subject: new loop remix software
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:39:22 +0100
>>
>> www.devine-machine.com
>>
>> I'm sure u will all like it :)
>>
>> Link
>
>
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I'm just going to emigrate or move somewhere where my disability check goes
farther.

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> making fun of sleazy corporations and exposing evil in our society
> is a far more admirable way to make money then most.
> he's on the side of the individual and a patriot in the real sense.
> a spokeman for a positive future, and a hero to many.
> not a whinny right wing chump lapping at masters teat
>
>
> S.P. Goodman wrote:
>
> > I didn't question his ability to gather wealth.  I question his true
> > intentions, in the line of:
> >
> > "How much is he really helping the people he keeps telling us he's
> > championing?"
> >
> >
>

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At 2:05 PM +0100 1/25/03, link wrote:
>try this :
>www.devine-machine.com
>
>(PC software)

I saw a demo of this last night. It really is amazing!

Steve Duda will be doing a demo at the next acf/LA Technology Salon 
in Venice on Sunday, February 1.  Anyone in the Los Angeles area is 
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Re: "Live" software for loop
remixes

At 2:05 PM +0100 1/25/03, link wrote:


try this
:


www.devine-machine.com


 


(PC
software)





I saw a demo of this last night. It really is amazing!





Steve Duda will be doing a demo at the next acf/LA Technology
Salon in Venice on Sunday, February 1.  Anyone in the Los Angeles
area is welcome to attend.


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* Both of this week's artists employ Boomerang loopers
and often implement that great, fat, grainy halfspeed Boomerang
sound in their performances. I don't think I've heard another
device that sounds so cool at halfspeed. Can anyone suggest
an equivalent or better device for halfspeed soundscaping?
(Maybe it's just how these artists use them. (?) ) -  Scott M2
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
  @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto
         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Tuesday January 28th - Planet Of The Loops

Planet Of The Loops begins its 2003 bimonthly looping series
with two veteran loopers: Michael Rockwood and Wally Jericho.

Rockwood (Memory Bank, zoebliss) returns to the Ping stage
for the first time since his performance at The Ambient Ping's
Second Anniversary Special in August 2001. His expansive
guitar-based soundscapes have been more outstanding with
every appearance. http://www.theambientping.com/rockwood

Wally Jericho wields trumpet and bass to build floating or funky
loops. Wally was very active at the Ping in 2002, appearing with
Styrohead, Andrew Aldridge and Kurt Swinghammer, cheryl o
and Neil Chapman, SYLKEN, dreamSTATE and James Johnson.
Look for Wally's 2002 Sampler CD at PiNG THiNGS.
http://www.wallyjericho.com

Between Sets CD - "Pie Jesu" by Robert Fripp (DGM - 1997)
This EP collects some of the most beautiful tracks from Fripp's
"A Blessing Of Tears" and "The Gates Of Paradise" albums.
These pieces are edits from live solo performances employing
guitar, guitar synth and loops. (If the Planet Of The Loops crew
leaves loops rolling between sets, then this CD will be played
immediately after the 2nd set.)  http://www.elephant-talk.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats
are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique.
Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday Feb. 4th 2003 - psychosomatic climax machine
     and The Devil in the Design
http://www.worthyrecords.com  http://www.mp3.com/Gwyn
Between Sets CD - "Satori" by Thom Brennan (2002 - Zero Music)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWs

"String and Drone Sketches and Phases" by Cymbl

"String and Drone Sketches and Phases" is an excellent introduction
to Cymbl, the dark ambient side project of percussionist Richard Baker
of ARC. Elegant and economical in its use of sound, Cymbl very
effectively creates some very deep, very dark drones that are both
evocative and inspiring. While percussion is largely absent from the
disc, Baker's percussive sensibilities are still apparent in his uses
of both silences and the rhythmic pulse of various tones used,
giving songs like Scar Star and Drone Sweet Drone a certain
propulsive motion. Other songs like Gears of the Universe revel in
the beauty of industry, using pneumatic machinery as a counterpoint
to the rise and fall of a looping drone. A fascinating listen.

To hear mp3s by Cymbl, visit http://www.mp3.com/cymbl

rik maclean -  torment@corpusnet.com

Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
to hear about all the latest releases on sale at PiNG THiNGS.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

* There's a new monthly live electronic music series starting
this Wednesday featuring Nash the Slash and a variety of
special guest artists. This first show presents SOFTWARE,
who were featured at the Ping last month. Here's the official
blurb from Nash. (Just don't ask me what "Fetish-Ambient" is -
I think it's more fun to imagine...)

Nash the Slash presents Warp-Drive Wednesdays
Wednesday January 29th - 10pm start - $5.00
@ The Vatikan - 1032 Queen Street West, Toronto (533-9166)
A monthly presentation of the best in live electronic music
featuring Electronica, Goth, Krautrock, Fetish-Ambient and more...
This month's special guest 'SOFTWARE'
http://www.nashtheslash.com/news  http://www.techno-jazz.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested
in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances


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ahhahahha but still the right  note played with an old acoustic =
instrument start a chill in your spine !  =20
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  > pun intended) of new and old technology, of
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I'd start by listening to the trumpet player Cuong Vu.  He incorperates tons of looping and long delays in to free jazz.  On his album "Come Play with Me" either he or the bass player has something repeating nearly all the way through the CD, yet it never strays away from the genre (not that that would be a bad thing).  I guess this seems relivant to the sitar situation because like indian music, avant-guard jazz is nonminimalist and nonrepetitive.  Thats on the Knitting Factory label by the way.




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>Aside from the word of alto music, is there any reason(s) that the old-style
>blond boxes are "far better"?

I would not see any!
The EDP has been made in about 5 different places, but the tendency 
was improving :-)

>  Just wondering. Exactly what are the
>functional and structural differences between the blonde and the black
>echoplexes. I am not uncomfortable with installing software via midi ports.

but thats not how it happens, Alex, its good old EPROMs you have to exchange.

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>After reading the past couple of messages about the
>EDP's gain structure, I realized that this is probably
>the source of the headroom problems I noticed last
>night with my newly-acquired EDP with LoopIII 3.2.  I
>pulled the specs for the upgrade from the website
>(many thanks, Kim!), and noticed that 1% metal film
>resistors are specified.  Is a 1% resistor really
>necessary, or can I get by with, say, a 5% resistor?

5% works ok.
but V3.2 is buggy, unless you only use simple functions, I really 
recommend to upgrade!


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Thank you for that nice report, Daryl!

>I had to think about the question posed earlier
>this week about the difference between an instrument and an effect or
>processor....and I came out of this event feeling that looping equipment
>isn't really an instrument.  An instrument is something that generates a
>tone, by definition.  And though the EDP can do insane things with any
>tone fed to it - you could probably snap your fingers once into a mic,
>then entertain a crowd all night with warpings of that initial tone - it
>doesn't actually generate a sound.  I think this is important, for me at
>least, because that initial tone is SO crucial, even after twisting it
>every which way.  The most interesting and musical things last night
>that happened with loops were interesting and musical because of the
>source; tweaking it made it exponentially more so.  But when a dry or
>flat sound was fed to a loop (which happened rarely, I have to say),
>processing didn't really take it anywhere, in my opinion.

lets say: it does take somewhere else, make the sound more surprising 
or so, but maybe not really better, whatever you understand as 
"better".

>I guess my point is that to make good loops with your instrument, you
>gotta be good on the instrument.  Even if that instrument is a piece of
>Tupperware (Rick!), you have to know how to get a good sound out of it.

this is a good point.
As everybody knows, I have been wondering about this for years.
Recently we more and more called the loop gear a "tool" since its not 
an effect and not an instrument.

>For those who feel that an EDP actually is an instrument, I'm curious
>whether a turntable would also fit the definition...?

Evan said:
>i also look at a studio as an instrument when in the hands of an artist.

ok, but then its the whole thing with the sound generator (string, 
skin, oscillator, turntable...) in it.
So we like to say that the EDP turns into a part of your instrument, 
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>I discovered this only works occasionally- and the 1 time it did clear the
>error all 3 or 4 loops I had were corrupted- random bits of silence
>sprinkled throughout them- and this was after being upset at losing
>something I liked and pressing Parameter like a crazed fool. My router
>solved the problem nicely tho so I don't expect I will need to clear any
>buffer errors again!

sorry for that!
seems you found a bug. a too rare case so we did not test it carefully. :-(

thank you
Matthias

>
>Cliff
>
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>
>I forgot to mention that you get out of the error message by pressing
>PARAMETER, so you are just loosing the MIDI content, but audio goes
>on.


-- 


          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

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You mean the US of course.  Those who are possessed with the political
'excitement' of this tired thread might best look for a place where they can
express it and still be on topic for the newsletter-at-hand.


> I'm just going to emigrate or move somewhere where my disability check
goes
> farther.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "das" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
>
>
> > making fun of sleazy corporations and exposing evil in our society
> > is a far more admirable way to make money then most.
> > he's on the side of the individual and a patriot in the real sense.
> > a spokeman for a positive future, and a hero to many.
> > not a whinny right wing chump lapping at masters teat
> >
> >
> > S.P. Goodman wrote:
> >
> > > I didn't question his ability to gather wealth.  I question his true
> > > intentions, in the line of:
> > >
> > > "How much is he really helping the people he keeps telling us he's
> > > championing?"
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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Thanks!  Sounds pretty fascinating ...

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:56 PM
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The main difference with LIVE (and it is a big one) , is that devine machine
has the most powerfull loop edit tool. Even this tool seems "cartoon" a
little bit , I recommend you to read the manual , cos it is a GOLD mine :)
Features are endless...
Drum mode is the most powerfull mode (you can save/recall same rythmic
scores) and get same rythms on several loops in a single click (it uses
color to define drum elements, and "remap" the loops).

For stage , devine machine has 24 loop slots corresponding to MIDI key C2-B3
, and the ability to automate crossfade between several loops (if u set some
longer attack/release) , and also many live reconstruction effects. I
recommend to taste E1+A#1 :) Several modes for playing loops (trigger,stream
and one shot) with quantize selection. Also there is this sustain pedal
option which keeps the midi keys pressed (of course).

Overall , the system is much simpler than LIVE imo , esp. when on stage. VST
effect should be implemented in next version (and VSTi release is soon as
www site says)

Anyway , the reading of the manual is required...


----- Original Message -----
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Judging from your smtp address, you may be associated with this software.
How would compare/contrast devine-machine with LIVE?

P.S. Please only send plain text to the list, html looks pretty dang ugly in
the digest ... ;-)

Thanks,

Mike

-----Original Message-----
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try this :
www.devine-machine.com

(PC software)
----- Original Message -----
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I am, and it can't be beat... and i'm using aiff files...  but I'm also a
mac guy.

t.

On 1/24/03 3:41 PM, "Louis Rossi"  wrote:

> Is anyone using LIVE for loop playbacks? I see some of the laptop DJ's
here
> in NYC using them but I'm not sure if there are using thier 'own'
sounds...I
> think it uses wav files ???
>
> Thanks
> LOU
>
>
>
>> From: "link" 
>> Reply-To: "link" 
>> To: <>
>> Subject: new loop remix software
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:39:22 +0100
>>
>> www.devine-machine.com
>>
>> I'm sure u will all like it :)
>>
>> Link
>
>
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Yeppers, Loopfools!!!!

Today is officially INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY
in the people's republic of Santa Cruz.

The mayor is coming to present a proclamation to
Andre, Steve, my brother Bill and I and I am having
digital videos taken to archive it and will attempt to
post them on L.D. when I have the time to do so.

The tour has been really fantastic.    Our fearless moderator
even came twice in a row (Palo Alto and San Jose) which
I found incredibly flattering.

It was so wonderful having dinner and talking about the world
of Looping with Andre, Cara (Goddess), Daniel Elliot (our hot tour
promoter), Steve and Kim.

If you can make any of the remaining dates, we are really having fun
and really playing some very hip music, I think.

It is humbling to be around the EDP master, Andre and I have learned a ton.
It has also been wonderful to see the very cool solo work that Steve Lawson
has been doing along with his really wacky sense of humor.  He really is
cracking up the audiences (as well as wowing them).

It's also good to be back playing drums again.  I"m playing with my right
hand and feet
and then looping and processing with my left hand in real time.
For this tour I am not using the EDP with my feet and I have really been
loving learning how to use it..............what an AWESOME piece of gear.  I
can't believe that it took me so long to play one (oh, right,
money............I forgot.............LOL).


well, later,  yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)


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In deference to the SUPER BOWL,
the BANANAS AT LARGE Gibson Echoplex CLinic
in San Raphael has been changed to 

6 p.m.

Tuesday night , January 28th

All three of us will be demonstrating it.

Please come!!!

thanks, rick walker

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Gleaned from the Wednesday January 15th edition of the Los Angeles Times:
"Tom Heasley's mesmerizing bit of loop-based, ambient tuba playing brought
an ethereal beauty from the underrated instrument."
>From a review of the CEAIT festival at Cal Arts.
Taking over one loop(ist) at a time,
Gary


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Hell yes. Gotta include acoustic sounds. There is omething immediate about em that will never be replaced. - Kirk
 Julio Moreno  wrote:ahhahahha but still the right  note played with an old acoustic instrument start a chill in your spine !   julio
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Hell yes. Gotta include acoustic sounds. There is omething immediate about em that will never be replaced. - Kirk

 Julio Moreno <ciego@ig.com.br> wrote:






ahhahahha but still the right  note played with an old acoustic instrument start a chill in your spine !   


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Most cool and congratulations, Rick and all of yez over there!

----- Original Message -----
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> Yeppers, Loopfools!!!!
>
> Today is officially INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY
> in the people's republic of Santa Cruz.
>
> The mayor is coming to present a proclamation to
> Andre, Steve, my brother Bill and I and I am having
> digital videos taken to archive it and will attempt to
> post them on L.D. when I have the time to do so.
>
> The tour has been really fantastic.    Our fearless moderator
> even came twice in a row (Palo Alto and San Jose) which
> I found incredibly flattering.
>
> It was so wonderful having dinner and talking about the world
> of Looping with Andre, Cara (Goddess), Daniel Elliot (our hot tour
> promoter), Steve and Kim.
>
> If you can make any of the remaining dates, we are really having fun
> and really playing some very hip music, I think.
>
> It is humbling to be around the EDP master, Andre and I have learned a
ton.
> It has also been wonderful to see the very cool solo work that Steve
Lawson
> has been doing along with his really wacky sense of humor.  He really is
> cracking up the audiences (as well as wowing them).
>
> It's also good to be back playing drums again.  I"m playing with my right
> hand and feet
> and then looping and processing with my left hand in real time.
> For this tour I am not using the EDP with my feet and I have really been
> loving learning how to use it..............what an AWESOME piece of gear.
I
> can't believe that it took me so long to play one (oh, right,
> money............I forgot.............LOL).
>
>
> well, later,  yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)
>
>
>
>
>
>

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>when I play an acoustic instrument, I get a very
> distinct feeling - the user interface is 100% seamless on a doumbek (for a
> patch change, I pick up my shaker).

I agree 100%. Even with electric guitar, at least the sound source is a
vibrating string beneath the fingers. The user interface remains seamless -
for instant patch changes, just pick/fret differently. In response to an
aggravating question about extensive on-board electronics on a guitar, Rick
Turner held up both hands and said, "You have ten tone controls right here.
Use them!"
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net

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<< Those who are possessed with the political 'excitement' of this tired
thread might best look for a place where >>
<< they can express it and still be on topic for the newsletter-at-hand. >>

Wha???!!!!

----- Original Message -----
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> You mean the US of course.  Those who are possessed with the political
> 'excitement' of this tired thread might best look for a place where they
can
> express it and still be on topic for the newsletter-at-hand.
>
>
> > I'm just going to emigrate or move somewhere where my disability check
> goes
> > farther.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "das" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> >
> >
> > > making fun of sleazy corporations and exposing evil in our society
> > > is a far more admirable way to make money then most.
> > > he's on the side of the individual and a patriot in the real sense.
> > > a spokeman for a positive future, and a hero to many.
> > > not a whinny right wing chump lapping at masters teat
> > >
> > >
> > > S.P. Goodman wrote:
> > >
> > > > I didn't question his ability to gather wealth.  I question his true
> > > > intentions, in the line of:
> > > >
> > > > "How much is he really helping the people he keeps telling us he's
> > > > championing?"
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Chris said:
>  I guess this seems relivant to the sitar situation
> because like indian music, avant-guard jazz is
> nonminimalist and nonrepetitive.

Not to flame you, but I must disagree there, Chris.  I think Indian music is
both "minimalist" and extremely repetitive.  I would argue the "minimalism"
in several areas:  first in terms of limited melodic scope -- each raga has
a very well-defined scale of allowable notes (sometimes only 5, usually no
more than 7) and all improvisations in a raga must adhere to a very specific
melodic contour.  That is, notes must be played in a certain order going up
the scale, and another predetermined order in going down the scale.
Sometimes this is a straightforward stepwise pattern, other times it
involves a more zig-zag progression.  But each raga has its own very clear
melodic "rules."

A second "minimal" factor is the constantly recurring tonic drone, as well
as the absence of any harmony.  The rigidly-defined melodic contour (called
"chalan" -- Hindi for "movement") by its nature demands a great deal of
repetition.  However, it is a challenge to the musician to keep things fresh
by introducing subtle variations and unexpected twists on the "rules" of the
melody.

A third "minimalist" and repetitive area is rhythm.  Indian rhythms (called
"tala-s") are cyclical.  That is, they both begin and end on the first beat.
For instance, in counting out an Indian rhythm (let's say in a cycle of six
beats), one would never stop on 6.  It would always be counted as one / two
/ three / four / five / six / one.  The rhythm would be inconclusive and
unresolved without that all-important first/last beat.  This same cyclical
pattern occurs in composed melodies as well, with the same emphasis on
"one."  Further rhythmic repetitiveness occurs in standard tabla
accompaniment.  When accompanying a vocalist or instrumentalist a tabla
player will play a set combination of drum strokes outlining the main beats
of the rhythm cycle.  This is called "theka."  The theka will be played
approximately for 85 - 90% of the performance.  Similar to the melodic
"toying with expectations," a tabla player is also expected to break the
monotony by occasionally dropping a beat, or doubling or even quadrupling a
beat every now and again to keep things interesting.  But again, outside of
small breaks for soli (sometimes as little as 1 cycle, more commonly 2 - 4
cycles of the tala) the drumming is extremely repetitive.

It's interesting to note that in the late 20th century musical movement of
"Minimalism" some of the main founders and practitioners such as La Monte
Young and Terry Riley have spent many years studying Indian classical music.

mere do paise ("my two cents")

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> Today is officially INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY
> in the people's republic of Santa Cruz.
> 

sew my lips shut, i just dont know what to say!.....LUV YA 
RICK/ANDRE/STEVE/MICHAEL/JON/the mighty BILL WALKER/CHRIS/KIM/MATT/and all 
you other cool cali. kids.....a small part of me dyed from not "BASKING" in 
da GLORY of ILLD.....but i promise YOU, i will try HARDER.....:).....michael

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Today is officially INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY

in the people's republic of Santa Cruz.






sew my lips shut, i just dont know what to say!.....LUV YA RICK/ANDRE/STEVE/MICHAEL/JON/the mighty BILL WALKER/CHRIS/KIM/MATT/and all you other cool cali. kids.....a small part of me dyed from not "BASKING" in da GLORY of ILLD.....but i promise YOU, i will try HARDER.....:).....michael

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> Not to flame you, but I must disagree 

wow.....thanks for the very interesting post, very understandable.....im led 
to believe that both JAMES BROWN AND myself are somehow connected to the ONE 
BEAT.....i love it!.....the last time i was in SANTA CRUZ, rick walker had me 
doin some kind-o-countin, it was some kind-o-voodoo thang!.....7/4 
tyme!.....i aint been right since!.....michael 

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Not to flame you, but I must disagree 




wow.....thanks for the very interesting post, very understandable.....im led to believe that both JAMES BROWN AND myself are somehow connected to the ONE BEAT.....i love it!.....the last time i was in SANTA CRUZ, rick walker had me doin some kind-o-countin, it was some kind-o-voodoo thang!.....7/4 tyme!.....i aint been right since!.....michael 

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----- Original Message -----
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> A second "minimal" factor is the constantly recurring tonic drone, as well
> as the absence of any harmony.

All the notes in Raga are in the Tambura.

I was under the impression that between this drone and the notes of
the Raga, we have Harmony.


* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com


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Hi Bhangra.
I am a guitarist who once tried to play real sitar and gave up! But after
that I got one of the Jerry Jones electric sitars that are much easier for a
mere guitarist to deal with. I thought you might be into this...I did some
modifications to my electric sitar so I could loop a drone sound:

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/sitar/sitar

And I used this setup to do duets with an Indian vocalist:

http://www.marksmart.net/bands/indianduets/indianduets.html

Mark Smart



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I finally put up a site about my jazz looping setup with some pictures and
mp3's enjoy.

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net/


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> http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html
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http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html






sweet.....michael

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cool stuff smart!
L.a



--- Mark Smart  wrote:
> I finally put up a site about my jazz looping setup
> with some pictures and
> mp3's enjoy.
> 
>
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> 
> Mark Smart
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Cino wrote:
> >  A second "minimal" factor is the constantly recurring tonic
> > drone, as well as the absence of any harmony.

David replied:
> All the notes in Raga are in the Tambura.

Again, no flame intended, but the tanpura is traditionally tuned to the
tonic, its lower octave, and usually the fifth note of the scale, but in
ragas that exclude the fifth the tanpura gets one string tuned to the next
stronger note, usually the fourth and less commonly the sixth.  However, due
to the threads that are placed between the strings and the bridge for the
characteristic buzzing sound, many overtones are also released, often
obscuring the main notes in a lovely hazy halo of sound.

> I was under the impression that between this drone and the
> notes of the Raga, we have Harmony.

Good point.  You're correct -- between the drone and each individual note in
a raga there exists the most basic sort of harmony.  When I said the
"absence of any harmony" I meant "harmony" in the Western sense of
underlying chordal structure, harmonic movement, modulation between keys,
etc.

Since we're veering way off-topic I'd be happy to continue the discussion
offline.

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----- Original Message -----
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> Cino wrote:
> > >  A second "minimal" factor is the constantly recurring tonic
> > > drone, as well as the absence of any harmony.
>
> David replied:
> > All the notes in Raga are in the Tambura.
>
> Again, no flame intended, but the tanpura is traditionally tuned to the
> tonic, its lower octave, and usually the fifth note of the scale, but in
> ragas that exclude the fifth the tanpura gets one string tuned to the next
> stronger note, usually the fourth and less commonly the sixth.  However,
due
> to the threads that are placed between the strings and the bridge for the
> characteristic buzzing sound, many overtones are also released, often
> obscuring the main notes in a lovely hazy halo of sound.

That halo of overtones is where all the notes in Raga are.

In the Kirana gharana (for other folks reading this, gharana
is the tradition or school of teaching) concerts I've heard they
always use at least two tamburas using also the 7th as well as tonic
and the other pitches you mention above. It depends on the
Raga as well as who is performing it. Both are equally important.

Where is James Pokorny these days? He's a long time listmember
who plays Sitar and loops.

* David Beardsley
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Re: "Live" software for loop remixesIf I am not too late. What is the time
and place of this event?
  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:16 AM
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  At 2:05 PM +0100 1/25/03, link wrote:
    try this :
    www.devine-machine.com

    (PC software)


  I saw a demo of this last night. It really is amazing!


  Steve Duda will be doing a demo at the next acf/LA Technology Salon in
Venice on Sunday, February 1.  Anyone in the Los Angeles area is welcome to
attend.
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At 2:05 PM +0100 1/25/03, link wrote:

  
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www.devine-machine.com

  
 

  
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Any EDP clinics scheduled for March in the San Fran area? I'll be out for 
interviews 3/11-3/19 and would love to attend.



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Can we get a e-address for James Pokorny... I would like to confer with him
regarding sitar and looping?I have been playing sitar and tar for many years
and have just come on board the sonic loop train! By the way, I just joined
the list on Thursday (1/23) and have been enjoying all the commentary-- it
is so much better than listening to our local "Go Bucs" news crap!
Thank you for the balance,

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Although I do agree, I do want to say that I don't mind a moderate amount of 
off topic posts...

My very first loop recording ever was inspired by 9/11... at my site i did 
change the name to BL1 but it was first titled; "sounding the drums of war"

Although the recent "war thread got extreme and out of hand, and I personally 
was extremely offended...

I feel that inspiration can be found in the damnedest places. Therefore in my 
opinion anything goes when it comes to a forum that relates to looping or any 
kind of art for that matter...

I guess that I want to say if I only thought about looping when I looped ... 
it might get redundant! LOL

And since I pretty much only participate in musically related forums....

OT posts to me, are like fiber in your diet!

So I hope it continues, but yes, too much is definitely a bad thing!

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Although I do agree, I do want to say that I don't mind a moderate amount of off topic posts...



My very first loop recording ever was inspired by 9/11... at my site i did change the name to BL1 but it was first titled; "sounding the drums of war"



Although the recent "war thread got extreme and out of hand, and I personally was extremely offended...



I feel that inspiration can be found in the damnedest places. Therefore in my opinion anything goes when it comes to a forum that relates to looping or any kind of art for that matter...



I guess that I want to say if I only thought about looping when I looped ... it might get redundant! LOL



And since I pretty much only participate in musically related forums....



OT posts to me, are like fiber in your diet!



So I hope it continues, but yes, too much is definitely a bad thing!

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if you are into it, 

Could you guys possibly make it up, and allow me to join you for a few dates 
in Montana?

If so how many dates would it take to make it worth your while?

Otherwise would you be interested in the future?

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if you are into it, 



Could you guys possibly make it up, and allow me to join you for a few dates in Montana?



If so how many dates would it take to make it worth your while?



Otherwise would you be interested in the future?

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i second looping9strings points.

jimmy geeorge
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  Although I do agree, I do want to say that I don't mind a moderate =
amount of off topic posts...

  My very first loop recording ever was inspired by 9/11... at my site i =
did change the name to BL1 but it was first titled; "sounding the drums =
of war"

  Although the recent "war thread got extreme and out of hand, and I =
personally was extremely offended...

  I feel that inspiration can be found in the damnedest places. =
Therefore in my opinion anything goes when it comes to a forum that =
relates to looping or any kind of art for that matter...

  I guess that I want to say if I only thought about looping when I =
looped ... it might get redundant! LOL

  And since I pretty much only participate in musically related =
forums....

  OT posts to me, are like fiber in your diet!

  So I hope it continues, but yes, too much is definitely a bad thing! 
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jimmy geeorge


  
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Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 =
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So I hope it continues, but yes, too much is definitely a =
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sorry that was meant for rick walker's private e-mail....

Thanks,
9:
the artist formerly know as:
Gregory Bruce Campbell

Listen up loopers who are MP3.COM artists: 
Please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to: 
looping9string@aol.com for: 
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sorry that was meant for rick walker's private e-mail....



Thanks,

9:

the artist formerly know as:

Gregory Bruce Campbell



Listen up loopers who are MP3.COM artists: 

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Hi my dearest friend Scott Kungha kungha@earthlink.net has one that my
partner looked at last night and is beautiful, catch him quick. and good
luck to you.

cyo

At 02:11 AM 1/25/03 +0200, you wrote:
>I´d like to find a Repeater loop recorder. I´ve seen it once, I´m
hooked... Wanna buy me own.
>VilleH 
>
>
>

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then why don't you help pay for it?

Seriously. I'm the one who created this place and pays for it to exist 
every day. Most of you guys don't ever contribute anything. (huge thanks to 
the few of you who do, but sadly it isn't enough.)  The purpose of this 
list is to discuss looping, and it's the only place on the net where you 
can do that. There are many other forums out there for other topics. I'm 
tired of paying the bandwidth costs for people who constantly abuse this 
community with off-topic nonsense. I'm tired of watching good list members 
unsubscribe because of it. The worst offenders, coincidentally, are also 
the least likely to have ever contributed any money, labor, or content to LD.

So you think these off-topic posts should be fine? Then you pay for it. 
Paypal donation links are all over the web site.

kim


At 10:57 AM 1/26/2003, Jimmy George Band wrote:
>i second looping9strings points.
>
>jimmy geeorge
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Looping9string@aol.com
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>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
>
>Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:12 AM
>Subject: Re: PLEASE QUIT deluging us with OT posts!!!!!
>
>Although I do agree, I do want to say that I don't mind a moderate amount 
>of off topic posts...

______________________________________________________________________
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sorry kim. i guess i did not personally consider your costs. i do not know
how or if profit you profit from making/hosting this site. it is a wonderful
site. there are many product developers that are fully aware of your site
and use and bennifit from your resources to better the products we enjoy. i
do not know if you are compensated for any of your 'promotion's' or product
development info you contribute from any of these companies or not. you
should if no. i don't see any banners or commercials on your site so im
assuming its all private donations. i will gladly donate this coming week
btw.

there is along with wonderful technical insights varying degrees of stuffy
edict on loopers delight at times. it's to bad you have lost people from the
list. i have came and gone a few time myself. i always seek to come back
though. it will be hard to please them all.

perhaps listing 'rules' of 'ontopic' discussions allowed on ld would give
the subscriber more to go on whether its their cup of tea or not. i also
think at times there is junk being submit even from me. but in moderation
does that not help to make this discussion more human and diverse? part of
the beauty in this discussion group is the varying discussions even when i
disagree or think it is a waste of my time. it all seems to filter back to
the loop...

just a couple thoughts and a hello and thanks again for having ld. and i
reiterate i will pledge this coming week 50.00 USD to LD. anyone want to
match me???
with most respect,
jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com





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> then why don't you help pay for it?
>
> Seriously. I'm the one who created this place and pays for it to exist
> every day. Most of you guys don't ever contribute anything. (huge thanks
to
> the few of you who do, but sadly it isn't enough.)  The purpose of this
> list is to discuss looping, and it's the only place on the net where you
> can do that. There are many other forums out there for other topics. I'm
> tired of paying the bandwidth costs for people who constantly abuse this
> community with off-topic nonsense. I'm tired of watching good list members
> unsubscribe because of it. The worst offenders, coincidentally, are also
> the least likely to have ever contributed any money, labor, or content to
LD.
>
> So you think these off-topic posts should be fine? Then you pay for it.
> Paypal donation links are all over the web site.
>
> kim
>
>
> At 10:57 AM 1/26/2003, Jimmy George Band wrote:
> >i second looping9strings points.
> >
> >jimmy geeorge
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Looping9string@aol.com
> >To:
>
>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight
.com
> >
> >Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:12 AM
> >Subject: Re: PLEASE QUIT deluging us with OT posts!!!!!
> >
> >Although I do agree, I do want to say that I don't mind a moderate amount
> >of off topic posts...
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>
>

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Kim,
Would it help if there was a separate OT list hosted somewhere else?

I=B9ve started a list off my site called ot-posts@randomsalt.com.  Anyone
interested in OT discussions can feel free to use that list. My only reques=
t
is that discussions stay respectful to all parties and folks refrain from
flaming.

To subscribe send mail to ot-posts-subscribe@randomsalt.com.

Regards,
Jeff



On 1/26/03 12:12 PM, "Looping9string@aol.com" 
wrote:

> Although I do agree, I do want to say that I don't mind a moderate amount=
 of
> off topic posts...
>=20
> My very first loop recording ever was inspired by 9/11... at my site i di=
d
> change the name to BL1 but it was first titled; "sounding the drums of wa=
r"
>=20
> Although the recent "war thread got extreme and out of hand, and I person=
ally
> was extremely offended...
>=20
> I feel that inspiration can be found in the damnedest places. Therefore i=
n my
> opinion anything goes when it comes to a forum that relates to looping or=
 any
> kind of art for that matter...
>=20
> I guess that I want to say if I only thought about looping when I looped =
...
> it might get redundant! LOL
>=20
> And since I pretty much only participate in musically related forums....
>=20
> OT posts to me, are like fiber in your diet!
>=20
> So I hope it continues, but yes, too much is definitely a bad thing!



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Re: PLEASE QUIT deluging us with OT posts!!!!!


Kim,

Would it help if there was a separate OT list hosted somewhere else?  =




I’ve started a list off my site called ot-posts@randomsalt.com.  =
;Anyone interested in OT discussions can feel free to use that list. My only=
 request is that discussions stay respectful to all parties and folks refrai=
n from flaming.



To subscribe send mail to ot-posts-subscribe@randomsalt.com.



Regards,

Jeff







On 1/26/03 12:12 PM, "Looping9string@aol.com" <Looping9string@=
aol.com> wrote:




Although I do agree, I=
 do want to say that I don't mind a moderate amount of off topic posts...


My very first loop recording ever was inspired by 9/11... at my site i did =
change the name to BL1 but it was first titled; "sounding the drums of =
war"



Although the recent "war thread got extreme and out of hand, and I per=
sonally was extremely offended...



I feel that inspiration can be found in the damnedest places. Therefore in =
my opinion anything goes when it comes to a forum that relates to looping or=
 any kind of art for that matter...



I guess that I want to say if I only thought about looping when I looped ..=
. it might get redundant! LOL



And since I pretty much only participate in musically related forums....


OT posts to me, are like fiber in your diet!



So I hope it continues, but yes, too much is definitely a bad thing!









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I would imagine that this thread is what you have in mind when you say Off
Thread? Why don't you just block people who display or provoke unpleasant
affect? After all this is a rather technical/art forum and not a political
or culture wars forum.

Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Butch" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine


> Try this one...Illuminati, my ass.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S.P. Goodman" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
>
>
> > Not much of a response, dickhead.  Does it hurt, much?
> >
> > Go play your instrument and you'll feel better.
> >
> >
> > > Right-wingers are SUCH dickweeds. Heh heh heh...
> > > > Oh I forgot the Illuminati.  Pah.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Neil Goldstein" 
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 00:58:AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Bowling for columbine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you ask this question to the 'business as usual' journalists
> bought
> > > > > and paid for by the media conglomerates? Is MM supposed to deliver
> > > > > welfare to laid off workers?; restore lives to parents who lost
kids
> > > > > murdered by a gun?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think to get his 'against the grain' journalism out demands some
> > > > > theatrics, and MM is that rare person who gets the message out to
> the
> > > > > mainstream. I applaud his chutzpah. That is what America is
supposed
> > to
> > > > > be about!
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe you don't agree with the message, but don't shoot the
> messenger.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be skeptical of your Govt, not a performance artist/journalist!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > (there's a lot more I'd like to say, but it was deleted by my
Inner
> > > > > Moderator)
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:42 PM
> > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > > >
> > > > > And did any of the people he exploited, doing his Show, benefit
> other
> > > > > than
> > > > > emotionally from it?  Or did he drag all the money home himself?
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Butch" 
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 00:13:AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I just saw it Saturday night. It's an excellent film. Yes, he
> > panders
> > > > > > somewhat, but so what?! What about all the right-wing radio/TV
> > shows?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's lots of humor in the film in the same vein as 'Roger and
> > Me'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Paul
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "S.P. Goodman" 
> > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:14 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, not that gullible here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Evan Meyers" 
> > > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 19:52:PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Bowling for columbine
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > By his fans, no doubt.  Moore's made a great career
> > > > > > > > > as a professional
> > > > > > > > > asshole with a camera, and not much else.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i've always seen him as a defender of the people.  his
> > > > > > > > actions in making the film helped to pull bullets of
> > > > > > > > the shelves of the retail giant, kmart.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I liked
> > > > > > > > > the brief moments of
> > > > > > > > > non-liberal-pandering fun that would pop up
> > > > > > > > > occasionally on "TV Nation", but
> > > > > > > > > that's about it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tv nation was a brilliant show, but whether you are a
> > > > > > > > moore fan or not, you should see this
> > > > > > > > movie...especially if you are an american.  if nothing
> > > > > > > > else, it can help you to understand the reason why
> > > > > > > > americans have such a miserable stereo-type worldwide.
> > > > > > > >  it may not give any of the right answers to solving
> > > > > > > > america's violence problems, but it sure asks the
> > > > > > > > right questions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > S.P. Goodman
> > > > > > > > > EarthLight Productions
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and
> > > > > > > > > Illustrations!
> > > > > > > > > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via
> > > > > > > > > Medialine!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From: Louie Angulo 
> > > > > > > > > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > > > > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Bowling for columbine
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:13:49 -0800 (PST)
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> > > > > > > > > (UTC)
> > > > > > > > > > FILETIME=[7DF7A2E0:01C2C2B7]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Is this movie being shown in America? Just hit the
> > > > > > > > > > movie theaters here a couple of weeks a go and it
> > > > > > > > > > seems to be enjoying success in europe.
> > > > > > > > > > (Warning: patriots may not like it)
> > > > > > > > > > cheers
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- Doug Johnson  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  > Nah, if they wanted to do that they should
> > > > > > > > > have...
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  > 1) struck with a red eye flight and taken out
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > buildings.  Hitting early
> > > > > > > > > >  > / mid morning winds up taking out facilities
> > > > > > > > > workers
> > > > > > > > > >  > like dish washers.
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  > 2) If they were REALLY after "corporate greed"
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > >  > would have taken out
> > > > > > > > > >  > Delaware's captial or records hall
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  >
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> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  > joking aside;
> > > > > > > > > >  > 'america' was NOT attacked.
> > > > > > > > > >  > two symbols were;  1. corporate towers of
> > > > > > > > > greed.
> > > > > > > > > >  > 2. world's largest war
> > > > > > > > > >  > machine
> > > > > > > > > >  > the real question is who ALL was involved, who
> > > > > > > > > is in
> > > > > > > > > >  > a posistion to gain
> > > > > > > > > >  > from
> > > > > > > > > >  > the
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Kim I guess I just intended to soften the mood...

Apparently it wasn't my place and I will keep that in mind...

I sincerely apologize if I have at all offended anyone by any suggestions I 
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Kim I guess I just intended to soften the mood...



Apparently it wasn't my place and I will keep that in mind...



I sincerely apologize if I have at all offended anyone by any suggestions I have made...

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Hey the Oakland game is just starting!!
But seriously, the best thing anyone who uses this list could do is buy an
Echoplex with Loop IV.  Kim is one of the partners in Aurisis, the company
that designed the interface/developed the software, so that's the #1 way to
contribute--you'll have lots of on topic questions!
Gary


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> just a couple thoughts and a hello and thanks 
> again for having ld. and i reiterate i will 
> pledge this coming week 50.00 USD to LD. anyone 
> want to
> match me???
> with most respect,
> jimmy george
> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com


Well stated!  And I match you $50!

The challenge is ON!  Come on LD listers!  Feed the site that feeds you!

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I think it's kind of continuum.

Even with things like hand drums, your interface is in learned technique.

Probably the closest to "seamless" is vox, but even that requires training 
for good results.

Discreet parametric control isn't resitricted to electronic instruments, 
"real" instruments like pipe organ require a bunch of "shit management" and 
not all electronic instuments are about patches and menus (theremin for 
instance).

I don't really consider "seams" a bad thing really.  A lot of it has to do 
with compromises during the transalation from thought to deed if the 
interfce were seemless, we wouldn't need practice and we might miss out on 
the discoery that occurs when we interface with something...drum techniques, 
polyphony, voicing limitations or characters provided by various 
instruments...







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 >when I play an acoustic instrument, I get a very
 > distinct feeling - the user interface is 100% seamless on a doumbek (for 
a
 > patch change, I pick up my shaker).

I agree 100%. Even with electric guitar, at least the sound source is a
vibrating string beneath the fingers. The user interface remains seamless -
for instant patch changes, just pick/fret differently. In response to an
aggravating question about extensive on-board electronics on a guitar, Rick
Turner held up both hands and said, "You have ten tone controls right here.
Use them!"
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great points. and don't forget about glitches and bugs!!!!
the coolest example of interface as instrument.......

--- James Winger  wrote:
> I think it's kind of continuum.
> 
> Even with things like hand drums, your interface is in
> learned technique.
> 
> Probably the closest to "seamless" is vox, but even that
> requires training 
> for good results.
> 
> Discreet parametric control isn't resitricted to
> electronic instruments, 
> "real" instruments like pipe organ require a bunch of
> "shit management" and 
> not all electronic instuments are about patches and menus
> (theremin for 
> instance).
> 
> I don't really consider "seams" a bad thing really.  A
> lot of it has to do 
> with compromises during the transalation from thought to
> deed if the 
> interfce were seemless, we wouldn't need practice and we
> might miss out on 
> the discoery that occurs when we interface with
> something...drum techniques, 
> polyphony, voicing limitations or characters provided by
> various 
> instruments...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>  >when I play an acoustic instrument, I get a very
>  > distinct feeling - the user interface is 100% seamless
> on a doumbek (for 
> a
>  > patch change, I pick up my shaker).
> 
> I agree 100%. Even with electric guitar, at least the
> sound source is a
> vibrating string beneath the fingers. The user interface
> remains seamless -
> for instant patch changes, just pick/fret differently. In
> response to an
> aggravating question about extensive on-board electronics
> on a guitar, Rick
> Turner held up both hands and said, "You have ten tone
> controls right here.
> Use them!"
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> coyotelk@optonline.net
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Two ot the latest multitrackers,
the Zoom MRS-1266CD and the Yamaha AW16G
offer sampling and phrase looping capabilites.
I've been trying to find honest reviews on both
these guys...  (been to a bunch of recording forums)
.....particularly info on how well the USB transfer on
the Zoom works on a Mac....
Anybody have experience with these....
particularly the Zoom MRS-1266.....?
In addition to USB transfer, the Zoom will import
and play a MIDI sequence......  but I just wonder
if it is a quality box......
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1) never follows thru with promised lap dance

2) will just blow it on hair dye & scotch

3) might ruin his reputation as a starving artist

4) thinks U.S. Grant comes from the NEA

5) refuses to confirm if he "really digs Mao" or
   "really digs mayo"

6) 50 bucks will buy 1 & 1/2 Danelectro pedals

7) try explaining a $50 Visa payment to "Kim" at
   "Loopers-Delight" to your wife

8) stole EDP software from Bill Gates

9) might show up at your door wanting to "witness"

10)...............................................
   ...............................................
   ...I can't think of # 10 so I guess I'll have
   to kick in $50.

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man that is really funny. i laughed till i cried! that's 150.00 so far...man
that's funny john! letterman quality...

jg
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> 1) never follows thru with promised lap dance
>
> 2) will just blow it on hair dye & scotch
>
> 3) might ruin his reputation as a starving artist
>
> 4) thinks U.S. Grant comes from the NEA
>
> 5) refuses to confirm if he "really digs Mao" or
>    "really digs mayo"
>
> 6) 50 bucks will buy 1 & 1/2 Danelectro pedals
>
> 7) try explaining a $50 Visa payment to "Kim" at
>    "Loopers-Delight" to your wife
>
> 8) stole EDP software from Bill Gates
>
> 9) might show up at your door wanting to "witness"
>
> 10)...............................................
>    ...............................................
>    ...I can't think of # 10 so I guess I'll have
>    to kick in $50.
>
> John
>
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Hi Gary,
Anything loopy happening in San Diego? I will be there
in february
cheers
L.a
--- Clayton Gary Lehmann
 wrote:
> Hey the Oakland game is just starting!!
> But seriously, the best thing anyone who uses this
> list could do is buy an
> Echoplex with Loop IV.  Kim is one of the partners
> in Aurisis, the company
> that designed the interface/developed the software,
> so that's the #1 way to
> contribute--you'll have lots of on topic questions!
> Gary
> 
> 


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>
>Since we're veering way off-topic I'd be happy to continue the discussion
>offline.

this is the kind of OT that I love to read. Information for looping 
musicians...
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>Hey the Oakland game is just starting!!
>But seriously, the best thing anyone who uses this list could do is buy an
>Echoplex with Loop IV.  Kim is one of the partners in Aurisis, the company
>that designed the interface/developed the software, so that's the #1 way to
>contribute--you'll have lots of on topic questions!
>Gary

Thank you Gary for this animation!

I am not sure how serious this is meant, but I would like to clarify 
that there is no connection between Aurisis and LD and by buying an 
upgrade or an EDP, you only pay a minor part to Kim and that part is 
for the work he did for LOOP, not LD.
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>I think it's kind of continuum.
>
>Even with things like hand drums, your interface is in learned technique.

I see two main diferences:

The expression on a "physical" instrument is intuitive, not just for 
the musician, but also for the public. I bet that 99% of humanity and 
even some animals would interprete soft scratching on a drum skin as 
a "tender" sound, while on a electronic instrument, you first have to 
establish this "tradition".

Electronic instruments tend to repeat their sound much more than physical ones.
Usually they base on samples and algorithms that are always the same 
or only vary in few distinct parameters, so the sound becomes boring 
much quicker.
I experience this especially when playing an electronc piano. It may 
sound even better than a accoustic one at first, but after half an 
hour, its becoming dry.
My interpretation is that the randomness of the vibration of the 
string, which makes it sound slightly differently even if you hit the 
key exactly the same way, gives us some space to feel something new. 
Further than that: I believe that the Force that created the laws of 
nature usually does not violate those laws (exept for miracles...), 
so the only space the original Force can influence the happenings 
arround us is though what we percieve as random. As a consequence, 
wherever we leave something to the accident, we open a space for 
divinity.
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hot damn!...now that's a great line.  thanks Matthias!

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


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> so the only space the original Force can influence the happenings
> arround us is though what we percieve as random. As a consequence,
> wherever we leave something to the accident, we open a space for
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Dear guys, just a note on my coming unsubscribe (hope to do it in the correct
way).
I am moving into my new house, where I will have no telephone connection
for a few days, so i will quit this list after 5 or so years of partecipating;
I don't want to overload my future connection with the hundreds messages
I would find then.
I just wanted to let the friends I have had the oppurtunity to meet here
in these years, why i am unsubscribing. 
If anyone will want to contact me, I will be checking my posts regularly
from my office, at the same e-mail address.

Thanks a lot, see you in about ten days.

Ciao,
and peace.
Luca

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   It seems to me that the number of note being played at once by the drone instrument isn't really the point.  Indian music, by and large, lacks voice leading and modulation. You can play a C chord or even a C13 chord till the cows come home and it would still be pretty minimalist, harmonically speaking, if there were no chord changes. 
   When I said that it isn't minimalist or repetitive what I meant is that, despite the strict structure, the variations will come.  And if the group is good, they may REALLY come.  They never abanden the raga, but they may add some out notes like a jazz or blues player would do.  And they dont abanden the tala but generally they don't play it straight over and over like a loop would.  The variations that you here in classical indian music reminds me more of Bach than Eno, outside of the harmonic content anyway.  The main thing though is the comunication.  Its split second, like in jazz.  As a listener, this element of unpredictability keeps me grounded, not spacing off and floating away the way I do with ambient and techno. 
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>    It seems to me that the number of note being played at
>once by the drone instrument isn't really the point.  Indian music,
>by and large, lacks voice leading and modulation. You can play a
>C chord or even a C13 chord till the cows come home and it would
>still be pretty minimalist, harmonically speaking, if there were no chord
changes.

To interpret the Indian Classical Music tradition through
the lens of European Classical music would be the best way to
totally miss out on a rich musical tradition.


* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com


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mark-very nice pic and a nice layout of your pedalboard. boy it looks CLEAN!!!
i'm trying to set up "my new studio" (got the fostex mr-8 for xmas & 
trying to set it up my system w/ my cd recorder. boy i'm running out 
of space w/ my 4-space rack (which is now too small since my digitech 
ips33 sits on top, etc).
just nice to see a nice "relatively simple" footpedal arrangement all nicely
layed out. boy thinking back to the days when i ran my steinberger 
through a rat pedal and my yamaha digital delay for echo and i was 
happy w/ that.....
s---

>I finally put up a site about my jazz looping setup with some pictures and
>mp3's enjoy.
>
>http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html
>
>Mark Smart
>http://www.marksmart.net/


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Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] wrote:
Hi Gary,
Anything loopy happening in San Diego? I will be there
in february
cheers
L.a
**  Now there's a good question--none of our friends came south on the
"Giants of Looping" tour--there are a couple of performers who use looping
to augment their sound--I will check it out and see what's shaking.
When in February, Louie?
Gary
PS  That weather you saw on TV wasn't the norm--we get most of our rain (all
14" of it!) in the winter.  But it looks like no rain anytime soon--a Santa
Ana wind is in the forecast for Friday.  Weird weather this season!
G
PPS  Still waiting to hear from ANYBODY who has used a Lexicon MPX G2 into
an Echoplex Digitial Pro--specifically those of you who have used the MIDI
clock in the MPX to drive the EDP with Loop IV. What are your experiences?
Steve Lawson (you're not back in England yet), have you tried this?  Todd
Reynolds (new Eventide disciple)?
G


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Euphonic Productions & Electric Arts Alliance of Atlanta
present
CHRISTOPH HEEMANN
plus special guests RICHARD DEVINE
and MAGICICADA
9pm, Sat, Feb 1st
$8 at the door
EYEDRUM
290 MLK Jr. Drive, SE, Suite 8
Atlanta, GA 30312
404-522-0655 or http://www.eyedrum.org
http://tk-jk.net/euphonic/
http://www.theEAAA.org
http://www.magicicada.com
http://schematic.net/artist/devine.htm
Christoph Heemann's recordings with H.N.A.S. and as a solo 
act reflect his inheritance of a number of rich European 
legacies: Kraut-rock, the industrial cut-ups of Nurse with 
Wound and Cabaret Voltaire, and the idea of the invisible 
soundtrack which has intrigued many independent-minded 
producers from Brian Eno to Paul Schütze. In 1983, the 
teenaged Heemann formed H.N.A.S. (Hirsche Nicht Aufs Sofa, 
roughly translated as "Deer Not on the Sofa") with Achim 
Flaan (aka Achim P. Li Khan).

Amidst a parade of obscure cassette-only releases on their 
own Dom Records, the duo's first major album, 1985's 
"Abwassermusik" reflected an interest in collages of 
samples, tape loops and found sounds, often repeated ad 
infinitum. For 1986's "Melchior", an expanded H.N.A.S. 
Lineup worked with the very sympathetic Steven Stapleton 
(of Nurse with Wound) and issued the album on Stapleton's 
United Dairies label. The group released two more LPs 
during 1986-87, "Im Schatten Der Möhre" and "Küttel im 
Frost" (both on Dom).

Meanwhile, Christoph Heemann had begun working farther a 
field, with an assortment of figures in the noise 
underground. He recorded a remix-by-mail project with 
Merzbow ("Sleeper Awake on the Edge of the Abyss"), 
appeared with Chicago guitarist Jim O'Rourke's Illusion of 
Safety, recorded with H.N.A.S.'s own Andrea Martin, and 
released work as Mimir with Legendary Pink Dots main man 
Edward Ka-Spel, Silverman and Jim O'Rourke. Heemann's 
first solo work, the 1992 EP "Über Den Umgang Mit Umgebung 
und Andere Versuche" (released on Robot Records), 
effectively ended H.N.A.S. as a recording entity (though 
Achim P. Li Khan continued with the Damenbart and Brigitte 
projects).

Christoph Heeman's first album work, "Invisible Barrier", 
appeared on the Australian Extreme Records in 1993. 
Inspired by filmmakers Alain Resnais and Louis Malle, he 
recorded "Aftersolstice" one year later, for the Barooni 
label. Following his third solo album, 1997's Days of the 
Eclipse,
Heemann again branched out to work on other projects, 
among them another Mimir release, several dates with 
Illusion of Safety, and a role in the recording of the 
Current 93 album "In a Foreign Land, In a Foreign Town" 
with David Tibet and Steven Stapleton.

He also runs the Streamline label. For further info, 
please see: http://www.brainwashed.com/ and 
http://www.robotrecords.com/.



H.N.A.S. entry in "The Crack in the Cosmic Egg" compendium 
(Audion Publications, 1996) 
by Steven & Alan Freeman 

Hirsche Nicht Aufs Sofa (in English "Deer Not on the 
Sofa", aka H.N.A.S. for short) have proved to be amongst 
the most radical of the 80's post industrial/new-wave 
bands to emerge in Germany. Most notably inspired by Nurse 
With Wound, Faust and the Krautrock scene, the duo of 
Christoph Heemann and Achim P. Li Khan (aka Achim Flaam) 
have made some remarkable music. The history of H.N.A.S. 
seems to have been deliberately kept obscure, so possibly 
some early cassette releases may exist. Their first record 
was made together with Mieses Gegonge, and was heavily 
industrial and a mite chaotic. To gain the independence to 
do exactly what they wanted, H.N.A.S. established their 
own DOM Records after this. But, before releasing an album 
of their own, they tested the water with some 
international samplers. As with Nurse With Wound albums, 
much of the Hirsche Nicht Aufs Sofa sound is created by 
studio trickery and effects, yet there is much more rock 
structure in their albums, especially so the later ones. 
Much of their products is limited or at least extremely 
obscure, naturally due to being so bizarre! 

At the turn of the 90's H.N.A.S. fragmented and became 
just an occasional project. Christoph Heemann has done 
much solo work and collaboration with other musicians and 
friends since, and with other H.N.A.S. cohorts he formed 
the Mimir project together with Legendary Pink Dots 
musicians. He also runs the Streamline label. Achim P. Li 
Khan established his own label DOM Elchklang, and set up 
many bogus groups and offbeat projects, especially good 
being the psychedelic "Damenbart", and the weird 
industrial art-rock of "Brigitte". 


Locals Richard Devine (Warp Records) and Magicicada 
(Submarine Records) open.


Christoph Heemann - "Time is the Simplest Thing" CD (3P9)
This new solo release will only be available at this 
performance.



UPCOMING...
Feb 23: Paul Flaherty/Chris Corsano at Eyedrum
March 5: Chris Cutler, Son of C.O.D. at Eyedrum
    


tmj/ep

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>Echoplex with Loop IV.  Kim is one of the partners in Aurisis, the company
>that designed the interface/developed the software, so that's the #1 way to
>contribute--you'll have lots of on topic questions!
>Gary


---> http://Matthias.Grob.org replied:
I am not sure how serious this is meant, but I would like to clarify
that there is no connection between Aurisis and LD and by buying an
upgrade or an EDP, you only pay a minor part to Kim and that part is
for the work he did for LOOP, not LD.
--


**  Good to know.  LD is a great site--lots of info on looping, and the mail
list is an excellent way for looping musicians to network and help each
other.
I have made a few purchases thru the website--my understanding is that some
revenue is generated that way.  I also just ordered another Loop IV
upgrade--I'm going to try stereo (oh great, more gear to drag around).
Gary


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Mark....I listened to your samples and looked at your setup.....Nice 
job....sounds great and looks like a real neat approach...Mucho Kudos, Sir!

I like it.

Regards, Wayne

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Mark....I listened to your samples and looked at your setup.....Nice job....sounds great and looks like a real neat approach...Mucho Kudos, Sir!



I like it.



Regards, Wayne

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hi loopers

i'm looking for a "looperfriendly" hl-server, where i can ul/dl mp3s, 
scripts, max-patches, &&& - just an exchange-platform for looping 
pittbullers -  ... shure i'll not ul/dl (k)    ;-)
anyone has such a server or poss, to install one at home/work???

thanks, rj
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hi loopers



i'm looking for a "looperfriendly" hl-server, where i can ul/dl mp3s, scripts,
max-patches, &&& - just an exchange-platform for looping pittbullers
-  ... shure i'll not ul/dl (k)    ;-)

anyone has such a server or poss, to install one at home/work???



thanks, rj

www.real-jesus.net





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hi louie ...

san diego sounds cool ... don't forget 'bout lucerne -> we expecting you 
soon back here.   ;-)

//rj
www.real-jesus.net


Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:

>Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] wrote:
>Hi Gary,
>Anything loopy happening in San Diego? I will be there
>in february
>cheers
>L.a
>**  Now there's a good question--none of our friends came south on the
>"Giants of Looping" tour--there are a couple of performers who use looping
>to augment their sound--I will check it out and see what's shaking.
>When in February, Louie?
>Gary
>PS  That weather you saw on TV wasn't the norm--we get most of our rain (all
>14" of it!) in the winter.  But it looks like no rain anytime soon--a Santa
>Ana wind is in the forecast for Friday.  Weird weather this season!
>G
>PPS  Still waiting to hear from ANYBODY who has used a Lexicon MPX G2 into
>an Echoplex Digitial Pro--specifically those of you who have used the MIDI
>clock in the MPX to drive the EDP with Loop IV. What are your experiences?
>Steve Lawson (you're not back in England yet), have you tried this?  Todd
>Reynolds (new Eventide disciple)?
>G
>
>
>
>.
>


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Have the Zoom 1044CD. Basically the same as 1066CD but only can record two 
inputs at a time (which later turned out to be a disadvantage of the device).

The ZOOM is a pretty reliable, user-friendly device. I've used the USB board 
via a PC-based workstations and it works flawlessly for backing up songs to 
one's hard drive on PC, for example.

Since the device is 16 bit, it's slightly less crystaline than the 24 bit 
internal recorders I've used (e.g. Tascam). The built-in drum/rhythm machine is 
usable. I'd suspect the Yammmy and the Zoom were somewhat equivalent. Each has 
a few bells/whistles that the other lacks but no dealbreakers as I can see.

Regards, Paul
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From:    Gary Phillips 
To:      Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Zoom & Yamaha multi-trackers...
Date:    Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:49:42 -0600

Two ot the latest multitrackers,
the Zoom MRS-1266CD and the Yamaha AW16G
offer sampling and phrase looping capabilites.
I've been trying to find honest reviews on both
these guys...  (been to a bunch of recording forums)
.....particularly info on how well the USB transfer on
the Zoom works on a Mac....
Anybody have experience with these....
particularly the Zoom MRS-1266.....?
In addition to USB transfer, the Zoom will import
and play a MIDI sequence......  but I just wonder
if it is a quality box......
--
gary
@friendlyspider.com


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It is a total honor to be in this group, when people like Matthias
contribute:

> My interpretation is that the randomness of the vibration of the
> string, which makes it sound slightly differently even if you hit the
> key exactly the same way, gives us some space to feel something new.

This may be the experience of analog reality vs. digital reality. After a
half-hour, our brains (un)consciously recognize that we are hearing one of
127 different gradations of the same parameter, while with an acoustic
instrument, the gradation is virtually infinite. Also, there is the direct
tactile feedback: acoustic instruments rattle our bones in a way unlike a
speaker cabinet.

> Further than that: I believe that the Force that created the laws of
> nature usually does not violate those laws (exept for miracles...),
> so the only space the original Force can influence the happenings
> arround us is though what we percieve as random. As a consequence,
> wherever we leave something to the accident, we open a space for
> divinity.

And the more we leave to accident, the purer our lives must be, otherwise we
fall right into that Divine Space, eh? OH, my mind is so flying on this! The
balance between Control and Accident!

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  hi loopers

i'm looking for a "looperfriendly" hl-server, where i can ul/dl mp3s, 
scripts, max-patches, &&& - just an exchange-platform for looping 
pittbullers -  ... shure i'll not ul/dl (k)    ;-)
anyone has such a server or poss, to install one at home/work???

thanks, rj
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   hi loopers



 i'm looking for a "looperfriendly" hl-server, where i can ul/dl mp3s, scripts, 
max-patches, &&& - just an exchange-platform for looping pittbullers 
-  ... shure i'll not ul/dl (k)    ;-)

 anyone has such a server or poss, to install one at home/work???



 thanks, rj

www.real-jesus.net



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At 09:09 AM 1/27/2003, realjesus wrote:
>hi loopers
>
>i'm looking for a "looperfriendly" hl-server, where i can ul/dl mp3s, 
>scripts, max-patches, &&& - just an exchange-platform for looping 
>pittbullers -  ... shure i'll not ul/dl (k)    ;-)
>anyone has such a server or poss, to install one at home/work???

I don't know what an hl-server is, but there is the Looper's Delight file 
library:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/

kim


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At 03:11 PM 1/26/2003, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
>But seriously, the best thing anyone who uses this list could do is buy an
>Echoplex with Loop IV.  Kim is one of the partners in Aurisis, the company
>that designed the interface/developed the software, so that's the #1 way to
>contribute--you'll have lots of on topic questions!

well, that is nice too, but as Matthias said Looper's Delight is a 
completely independent entity from Aurisis or the Echoplex or any other 
company. Money earned there doesn't go to LD. Looper's Delight needs to 
stand on it's own feet. The money it gets to operate is what is directly 
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> I don't really consider "seams" a bad thing really.  A lot of it has to do

I realized after a little more thinking that the only reason that a hand
drum is 100% seamless to me, is that I've spent all my life training my
hands to articulate rhythms on a skin surface.  If I spend the same amount
of time working with a certain electronic instrument I can imagine getting
to the same point in my ability to control all the parameters to create
music.
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--- Kim Flint  wrote:

> well, that is nice too, but as Matthias said Looper's Delight is a 
> completely independent entity from Aurisis or the Echoplex or any other 
> company. Money earned there doesn't go to LD. Looper's Delight needs to 
> stand on it's own feet. The money it gets to operate is what is directly 
> made from the site from ads and affiliate programs, t-shirt and cd sales, 
> and donations. Usually those things are not enough and I pay the remainder.

Speaking of the T-shirts, is there ever going to be a reprint or a new one? I
missed out on the previous round, but I'd really like to have one (or two, or
ten...). Is there any other interest?

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You bring up some very interesting points.
(though the scratching of the drum might be a war cry in cricket talk ;-)

I tend to find the interface with acoustic instruments often 
counterintuitive (like fingerings on a woodwind).  In fact, the battle for 
the control of interdependent parameters is the challenge I find (I tend to 
gravitate toward acoustic instruments myself).
I think with many intruments we practice our technique (bowing a viol, 
blowing a horn) until it becomes SECOND nature (ok, I'm not sure MY bowing 
will ever become second nature). We have come to terms with the process by 
altering ourselves

We forget that we have altered ourselves. Your point about establishing 
"tradition" is very interesting from this perspective - we alter ourselves 
as individuals AND as a culture in this regard (cultures with tonal 
languages tend to have a much higher incidence of perfect pitch, which way 
we hear an "infinite scale" tends to vary with the dominanat tonal center of 
local speech).

Attached is a cute example of how we sculpt our perceptions (MS word doc 
format).

I think the inface of some instruments (violincello is my chosen favorite) 
allow astounding control and expression, but one does have to meet the 
instrument on it's terms.
It reminds me very much of motorcycle racing -- You have put yourself in a 
different energy level..pretty much all your "gut" survival reactions are 
the wrong move.


I think the repeatability in electronic instruments tend to be (for good or 
ill) design desicions.
RLC circuits tend to feel very physical to me (they even used to be used to 
model auto suspensions...caps are springs, resistors are linkages, inductors 
are shocks).
It's the work of the designer that introduces (over)stability, let the 
circuit ring and drift.
I like the fact that my synthesizer, like my cello - is thermally sensitive.








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With the discussion about "interfaces" I just thought I'd share an 
interesting note from my mother-in-law about how a mechanical process such 
as pipe organ has "user feedback" designed into its interface

(Kim, my apologies if this has strayed too far, please let me know if I need 
to stay more "loop music" specific)

from my mother in law (Note : while i am sharing the information, all the 
love is still for me)...

I've gotten to practice on the
organ at the American Church in Paris, which is much better than that of St.
Sulpice. It's a tracker action, which means that you open the stops that you
pull manually as the keys are depressed. So, the more stops you pull, the
heavier the keys get. It's really quite wonderful. It sort of sets your
tempo for you, and you don't feel like you are flying off the keys.
Take care. love, Camilla



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I hope I'm able to get there one day :-)

If I get tense/excited about the fingering of a passage on my cello, my bow 
work goes right out the window.

I have to settle down and bow open strings for a few minutes sometimes.

I'm a very poor player at this time.
(cello stole my heart from classical guitar)



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 > I don't really consider "seams" a bad thing really.  A lot of it has to 
do

I realized after a little more thinking that the only reason that a hand
drum is 100% seamless to me, is that I've spent all my life training my
hands to articulate rhythms on a skin surface.  If I spend the same amount
of time working with a certain electronic instrument I can imagine getting
to the same point in my ability to control all the parameters to create
music.
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We have an initial design, and pending approval from those in
charge, a printing may not be to far off.

Stay Tuned.

-jas
Albuquerque

>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
>
> LD Tshirts
> From:
>
> Greg House 
> Date:
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> Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:15:20 -0800 (PST)
> To:
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> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
>
>Speaking of the T-shirts, is there ever going to be a reprint or a new one? I
>missed out on the previous round, but I'd really like to have one (or two, or
>ten...). Is there any other interest?
>
>Greg
>


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--- nick  wrote:
> i just bought a second hand (2yr old) DL4 and have found badness ocurring.
> 
> Whenever the processor is engaged it makes a loud
> static/whitenoise/kkrkrkkrkrkrk
> kinda noise that is nearly as loud as the effect sound. 
> 
> Are there any DL4 users out there who have come across this?

That sounds kind of like the sound it makes when you have the feedback
("Repeats") set too high. If you can't turn it down with the knob, perhaps the
Repeats control is broken?

Greg

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Oh right ON! Definitely count me in!

Greg

--- Jason Fink  wrote:
> 
> We have an initial design, and pending approval from those in
> charge, a printing may not be to far off.
> 
> Stay Tuned.
> 
> -jas
> Albuquerque
> 
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> >
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> > Date:
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >Speaking of the T-shirts, is there ever going to be a reprint or a new one? I
> >missed out on the previous round, but I'd really like to have one (or two, or
> >ten...). Is there any other interest?
> >
> >Greg
> >
> 
> 


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All right gracias brother jesus lets stay in kontakte 
take it EZ
L.a
www.laaba.com








> hi louie ...
> 
> san diego sounds cool ... don't forget 'bout lucerne
> -> we expecting you 
> soon back here.   ;-)
> 
> //rj
> www.real-jesus.net
> 
> 
> Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
> 
> >Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] wrote:
> >Hi Gary,
> >Anything loopy happening in San Diego? I will be
> there
> >in february
> >cheers
> >L.a
> >**  Now there's a good question--none of our
> friends came south on the
> >"Giants of Looping" tour--there are a couple of
> performers who use looping
> >to augment their sound--I will check it out and see
> what's shaking.
> >When in February, Louie?
> >Gary
> >PS  That weather you saw on TV wasn't the norm--we
> get most of our rain (all
> >14" of it!) in the winter.  But it looks like no
> rain anytime soon--a Santa
> >Ana wind is in the forecast for Friday.  Weird
> weather this season!
> >G
> >PPS  Still waiting to hear from ANYBODY who has
> used a Lexicon MPX G2 into
> >an Echoplex Digitial Pro--specifically those of you
> who have used the MIDI
> >clock in the MPX to drive the EDP with Loop IV.
> What are your experiences?
> >Steve Lawson (you're not back in England yet), have
> you tried this?  Todd
> >Reynolds (new Eventide disciple)?
> >G
> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >
> 
> 


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Sorry to bother the list with an OT post - if you feel the need to flame, 
please email me privately.

I've got a Tascam DA-88 (8 track digital multitrack) deck that I've had for 
several years. It's worked beautifully, never had a problem with it, but 
it's suddenly decided to eat tapes. I found a service page on the net that 
told me how to pop the unit open and look for problems. It looks like the 
head itself is in perfect condition, but something else (rollers? capstans?) 
must be slightly out of alignment, because the tape isn't aligning exactly 
right against the head, or the rollers ... thus it starts to get off of the 
rollers and start going everywhere.

I'm usually pretty good with finding obvious mechanical problems in 
electronic equipment, but I can't find anything obvious here. I'm hesitant 
to take the machine to a repair shop since the list price for the 
replacement head assembly itself is around $500. Yet, the head itself (and 
the signal coming off of it when the tape is aligned properly) is fine, and 
I'd rather find another solution than simply replacing the whole darn 
assembly.

Any suggestions before I go blow $500+ ?

Again, my apologies for offending with a non-strictly-looper post.

Thank you,
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Is that a re-print of the last batch, or are you
talking a v.2 design? (Either way is great news!)

-t-

--- Jason Fink  wrote:
> 
> We have an initial design, and pending approval from
> those in
> charge, a printing may not be to far off.


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Hi Gary,
I am there from feb.4 till march 4 ill be going down
to Tijuana to check out the guys from nortech they are
doing interesting stuff with mexican banda music and
electronica.Last year i hit 5th avenue in S.D and
checked out a couple of cool bands; a Reggae band who
plays every wednesday at Buffalo Joe´s (i forgot the
name) and some jazz cats at Crocies but it seems that
the music scene in San Diego hasn´t changed much since
i left 5 yrs. ago.
Are you performing anywhere?
P.S. I can highly recomend you the EDP with the latest
software for live playing i slave the repeater with it
and it works wonderful! last year they had a blond one
in Guitar center with the old software it was going
for about 799.00Dlls 
Oh and please reserve some california weather for me
man god knows i need it!
cheers
L.a
www.laaba.com














--- Clayton Gary Lehmann
 wrote:
> Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] wrote:
> Hi Gary,
> Anything loopy happening in San Diego? I will be
> there
> in february
> cheers
> L.a
> **  Now there's a good question--none of our friends
> came south on the
> "Giants of Looping" tour--there are a couple of
> performers who use looping
> to augment their sound--I will check it out and see
> what's shaking.
> When in February, Louie?
> Gary
> PS  That weather you saw on TV wasn't the norm--we
> get most of our rain (all
> 14" of it!) in the winter.  But it looks like no
> rain anytime soon--a Santa
> Ana wind is in the forecast for Friday.  Weird
> weather this season!
> G
> PPS  Still waiting to hear from ANYBODY who has used
> a Lexicon MPX G2 into
> an Echoplex Digitial Pro--specifically those of you
> who have used the MIDI
> clock in the MPX to drive the EDP with Loop IV. What
> are your experiences?
> Steve Lawson (you're not back in England yet), have
> you tried this?  Todd
> Reynolds (new Eventide disciple)?
> G
> 
> 


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i'm interested...

-jim


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In watching people with electronic equipment lately- loopers included- I
have become acutely aware of the fact that watching someone become confused,
unsure, or contemplative about what they are doing in the midst of a live
performance SERIOUSLY detracts from my enjoyment of the performance. I have
been there myself- I know what it is like on both sides. 

I decided to make a solo demo to get local gigs- but upon using my current
rig quickly realized I will need to practice and carefully organize my
electronic equipment until I don't really have to think about it and the
work on stage will be engaging. I think of Jimmy George's recordings-
bam/bam/bam- no pauses to program gear- no extra bars of repetition created
not by creative choice but by the time required to attend to the "gear". I
still cannot see any way to be less than 2 levels removed at times- meaning
I will have to perform more than 1 action sometimes before you hear/see a
result. (Switch preset on EDP, perform next movement- or switch bank on foot
controller, then more etc- switch reverb/delay patch and so on)

In any event- it has been a healthy observation/conclusion for me to arrive
at and will ultimately improve my set a great deal.

The moral of the story is: Learn your loopers like you learn your musical
instrument- then take it to the people. 

Of course, only my 2 cents.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
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> I don't really consider "seams" a bad thing really.  A lot of it has to do

I realized after a little more thinking that the only reason that a hand
drum is 100% seamless to me, is that I've spent all my life training my
hands to articulate rhythms on a skin surface.  If I spend the same amount
of time working with a certain electronic instrument I can imagine getting
to the same point in my ability to control all the parameters to create
music.
Jon



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ok, loopfolk, yes there were some massively OT posts recently but in fine LD
self-regulation mode and a swat or two have gone out with the tide, but now
this is getting silly with all the apologies.

I think that talking about any gear that a looper 'might possibly' use for
anything related to looping is close enough. ya think?

but being too nice is better than not I guess :)

so for my money (or lack of it), continue to tell/ask all please!

BobC




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count me in for two...

thanks!

jg



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> --- Kim Flint  wrote:
>
> > well, that is nice too, but as Matthias said Looper's Delight is a
> > completely independent entity from Aurisis or the Echoplex or any other
> > company. Money earned there doesn't go to LD. Looper's Delight needs to
> > stand on it's own feet. The money it gets to operate is what is directly
> > made from the site from ads and affiliate programs, t-shirt and cd
sales,
> > and donations. Usually those things are not enough and I pay the
remainder.
>
> Speaking of the T-shirts, is there ever going to be a reprint or a new
one? I
> missed out on the previous round, but I'd really like to have one (or two,
or
> ten...). Is there any other interest?
>
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i mean a hotline-server
the files on the ld-homepage don't work .... on my comp.

thanks, jesús

www.real-jesus.net

Kim Flint wrote:

> At 09:09 AM 1/27/2003, realjesus wrote:
>
>> hi loopers
>>
>> i'm looking for a "looperfriendly" hl-server, where i can ul/dl mp3s, 
>> scripts, max-patches, &&& - just an exchange-platform for looping 
>> pittbullers -  ... shure i'll not ul/dl (k)    ;-)
>> anyone has such a server or poss, to install one at home/work???
>
>
> I don't know what an hl-server is, but there is the Looper's Delight 
> file library:
> http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/
>
> kim
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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i mean a hotline-server

the files on the ld-homepage don't work .... on my comp.



thanks, jesús



www.real-jesus.net




Kim Flint wrote:



At 09:09 AM 1/27/2003, realjesus wrote:

  
hi loopers

    

i'm looking for a "looperfriendly" hl-server, where i can ul/dl mp3s, scripts,
max-patches, &&& - just an exchange-platform for looping pittbullers
-  ... shure i'll not ul/dl (k)    ;-)

anyone has such a server or poss, to install one at home/work???

    

    

I don't know what an hl-server is, but there is the Looper's Delight file
library:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/

    

kim

    

    

______________________________________________________________________

Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight

kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com

    

    

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Well said.

Of course, things are going to happen with gadgets, and it takes time to
troubleshoot.  Let's see... I've kicked the power out of the wall
socket, dropped my guitar, forgot to erase a loop before I started a new
one, created thunderous shockwaves via shorts in my cables... all in
front of hundreds of people.  

Some people believe that such "extemporaneous" errors, whether they be
technical or musical, are part of the experience.  But I believe what
separates the amateurs from the professionals is this: The professionals
minimize the distractions, and highlight the best of what they do.  

One of the ways I've tried to minimize the distractions in performance
is not to do musical works that I am not comfortable with yet.  I find
that if I practice at 100% competency, then I'll perform new pieces at
80% of what they could be just because I'm hyped up and physically
stressed.  It's a way to 'pre-select' pieces for the 'best' of what I
do.

Patrick sends.... 



-----Original Message-----
From: Clifford [mailto:om@Om-Studios.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:29 PM
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In watching people with electronic equipment lately- loopers included- I
have become acutely aware of the fact that watching someone become
confused,
unsure, or contemplative about what they are doing in the midst of a
live
performance SERIOUSLY detracts from my enjoyment of the performance. I
have
been there myself- I know what it is like on both sides. 

I decided to make a solo demo to get local gigs- but upon using my
current
rig quickly realized I will need to practice and carefully organize my
electronic equipment until I don't really have to think about it and the
work on stage will be engaging. I think of Jimmy George's recordings-
bam/bam/bam- no pauses to program gear- no extra bars of repetition
created
not by creative choice but by the time required to attend to the "gear".
I
still cannot see any way to be less than 2 levels removed at times-
meaning
I will have to perform more than 1 action sometimes before you hear/see
a
result. (Switch preset on EDP, perform next movement- or switch bank on
foot
controller, then more etc- switch reverb/delay patch and so on)

In any event- it has been a healthy observation/conclusion for me to
arrive
at and will ultimately improve my set a great deal.

The moral of the story is: Learn your loopers like you learn your
musical
instrument- then take it to the people. 

Of course, only my 2 cents.

Cliff


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Has David Garland done a loop themed show?

I can't recall one




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Chris said:

>As a listener, this element of unpredictability keeps me grounded, 
>not spacing off and floating away the way I do with ambient and 
>techno.

this is an interesting point!
so the exact repetition takes us off ground and the unpredictability 
makes us stay awake and watch for the "holes on the track"?

So for what situation do we need looping and for what the grounding music?
-- 


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Environment plays a big part- people at a bar not looking to chill and go
ambient (generally). If I am in an uncomfortable chair I'll enjoy more
exciting music than less- just a distraction factor maybe- ambient/inward-
easier to sense the uncomfy chair. Upbeat/outward- easier to ignore the
uncomfy chair.

I'm very tired- does it show?

;)

Cliff
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> Chris said:
>
> >As a listener, this element of unpredictability keeps me grounded,
> >not spacing off and floating away the way I do with ambient and
> >techno.
>
> this is an interesting point!
> so the exact repetition takes us off ground and the unpredictability
> makes us stay awake and watch for the "holes on the track"?
>
> So for what situation do we need looping and for what the grounding music?
> --
>
>
>           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>
>
>


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Kim convinced me that the inherent latency of Ethernet is a problem
vis-a-vis timely delivery of audio and other time critical data streams.
Looks like Gibson is charging ahead anyway.  Any ideas if this is just
steamware, and how they may be addressing latency?

http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20030124S0035

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--- Clifford  moralized:
>Learn your loopers like you learn your musical
> instrument- then take it to the people.

I agree with your point, but at the same time, the
opposite can be true. If we place too much emphasis on
any one part of our musicianship, other parts can
suffer.

For me, the looper and the instrument(s) are all part
of the same process. While there have certainly been
times when my convoluted signal path has furrowed my
brow, I'm probably more guilty lately of being right
on top of what my loopers (and mixer and amps and
processors, etc.) are doing, but realizing that I've
been letting my more conventional instrumental
technique slide. 

Which would we rather see:
1) A virtuoso instrumentalist who buys a looping
device, doesn't *learn* it, and stands onstage
flipping through the manual, completely distracted by
it.
2) A state-of-the-art looper whose ability to provide
'upstream content' to his devices is meager. (mebbe
a'cause he fergot to practice his instrument after he
bought them shiny new toys...)
3) A musician whose use of tools (including his
instrument and *any* other gear being used)is
well-integrated.
4) Milli Vanilli.

-t-

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Indeed- but even string players break strings etc- I was not referring to
AOG (act of god) type events. I saw a sitar player break a string, quietly
replace it,
and continue his performance- no fidgety nervous apologetic distraction- and
I really didn't mind- the only example you give which relates IMO is the
forgetting to erase the previos loop. And in my case I will be mixing improv
pieces with written ones. There is no saying you can't experiment live etc-
but just to be as comfortable, intimate, and familiar with your setup as
possible. An accident is one thing- incompetency is another.

In my case- I need to rehearse my "looping" compositions- again I would
refer you to Jimmy George or Andre LaFosse- I am more or less never
distracted by the equipment and can stay involved with the music- that is
what I want. I've made it challenging though to be sure- D-Two, EDP, M-One
(pre and post), Repeater, drum machine synced to EDP (but maybe Repeater)

It gets hairy forgetting to disengage the Repeater midi sync and creating
new loop on the EDP- or leaving the drums up and all of the sudden you hear
the beat go to 300 bpm. This is only one of many things I see in my current
setup- and I consider trimming the possibilities down to avoid such results.
We must remember to keep OURSELVES in the musical moment as well- which goes
hand in hand with this whole topic.

Cliff


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>----- Original Message -----
>From: 
>
>>     It seems to me that the number of note being played at
>>once by the drone instrument isn't really the point.  Indian music,
>>by and large, lacks voice leading and modulation. You can play a
>>C chord or even a C13 chord till the cows come home and it would
>>still be pretty minimalist, harmonically speaking, if there were no chord
>changes.
>
>To interpret the Indian Classical Music tradition through
>the lens of European Classical music would be the best way to
>totally miss out on a rich musical tradition.

so what do you do or suggest, David?

-- 


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As long as they throw a tube in the RJ45 connector...

But on a similar thread....
Has anyone jammed live (in real time) via MIDI successfully
over the internet or a fast modem.....?
I've seen some shareware apps touting this possibility....
--
gary
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Michael LaMeyer wrote:

> Kim convinced me that the inherent latency of Ethernet is a problem
> vis-a-vis timely delivery of audio and other time critical data streams.
> Looks like Gibson is charging ahead anyway.  Any ideas if this is just
> steamware, and how they may be addressing latency?
>
> http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20030124S0035

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I know there was a recent thread regarding networking protocols recently
(which I didn't read thoroghly), so maybe this is redundant.

Anyway, I just ran into a mention on the cool geek news site "Slashdot" (
http://slashdot.org/ ) of a move by Gibson to use a modified ethernet
protocol to send digital audio from the guitar.

Linked stories:

"Guitar maker preps digital network platform:  (Jan 03)
http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20030124S0035

Gibson Makes Music 'Magic' (Dec 2001)
http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3363342,00.html


- Bob

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LOL-

MILLI VANILLI of COURSE!

The choice for me is easy- number 3 all the way. Integration was my real
intent whether I expressed that or not- I was not implying for one to be
more adept at one or the other- just if you decide to use one- do it
competently.

I see Scott Henderson loop once in awhile- but he is such a great player I
could do without it. Imagine Vai doing it with an EDP as good as he plays
guitar. Equilibrium- don't let any part of your act be too far removed from
any other in terms of emphasis/ability/effectiveness- or what have you.

Back to my day job...
Cliff

----- Original Message -----
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>
> --- Clifford  moralized:
> >Learn your loopers like you learn your musical
> > instrument- then take it to the people.
>
> I agree with your point, but at the same time, the
> opposite can be true. If we place too much emphasis on
> any one part of our musicianship, other parts can
> suffer.
>
> For me, the looper and the instrument(s) are all part
> of the same process. While there have certainly been
> times when my convoluted signal path has furrowed my
> brow, I'm probably more guilty lately of being right
> on top of what my loopers (and mixer and amps and
> processors, etc.) are doing, but realizing that I've
> been letting my more conventional instrumental
> technique slide.
>
> Which would we rather see:
> 1) A virtuoso instrumentalist who buys a looping
> device, doesn't *learn* it, and stands onstage
> flipping through the manual, completely distracted by
> it.
> 2) A state-of-the-art looper whose ability to provide
> 'upstream content' to his devices is meager. (mebbe
> a'cause he fergot to practice his instrument after he
> bought them shiny new toys...)
> 3) A musician whose use of tools (including his
> instrument and *any* other gear being used)is
> well-integrated.
> 4) Milli Vanilli.
>
> -t-
>
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Totally new design  (multi color even?)

-jas

>
>Is that a re-print of the last batch, or are you
>talking a v.2 design? (Either way is great news!)
>
>-t-
>
>--- Jason Fink  wrote:
>
>>> 
>>> We have an initial design, and pending approval from
>>> those in
>>> charge, a printing may not be to far off.
>>


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I'm in... pending design review.
:)
C

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They use Ethernet only for the low-level hardware (PHY) of the interface, 
as a way to piggy back on existing devices. But you can't plug it into any 
Ethernet network. It has to be totally dedicated to only doing Magic and 
nothing else can be on there or it won't work. It says this in section 4 of 
their spec. The layers above the hardware are proprietary, and I don't 
think you can use just any old Ethernet equipment. It has to be a Magic 
device. It isn't really networking in the sense I would want. Its more of a 
proprietary digital connection using Ethernet hardware for convenience.

kim

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>vis-a-vis timely delivery of audio and other time critical data streams.
>Looks like Gibson is charging ahead anyway.  Any ideas if this is just
>steamware, and how they may be addressing latency?
>
>http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20030124S0035

______________________________________________________________________
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thanks for the referral cliff.

jg
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> In watching people with electronic equipment lately- loopers included- I
> have become acutely aware of the fact that watching someone become
confused,
> unsure, or contemplative about what they are doing in the midst of a live
> performance SERIOUSLY detracts from my enjoyment of the performance. I
have
> been there myself- I know what it is like on both sides.
>
> I decided to make a solo demo to get local gigs- but upon using my current
> rig quickly realized I will need to practice and carefully organize my
> electronic equipment until I don't really have to think about it and the
> work on stage will be engaging. I think of Jimmy George's recordings-
> bam/bam/bam- no pauses to program gear- no extra bars of repetition
created
> not by creative choice but by the time required to attend to the "gear". I
> still cannot see any way to be less than 2 levels removed at times-
meaning
> I will have to perform more than 1 action sometimes before you hear/see a
> result. (Switch preset on EDP, perform next movement- or switch bank on
foot
> controller, then more etc- switch reverb/delay patch and so on)
>
> In any event- it has been a healthy observation/conclusion for me to
arrive
> at and will ultimately improve my set a great deal.
>
> The moral of the story is: Learn your loopers like you learn your musical
> instrument- then take it to the people.
>
> Of course, only my 2 cents.
>
> Cliff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Wagner [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:09 AM
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>
> > I don't really consider "seams" a bad thing really.  A lot of it has to
do
>
> I realized after a little more thinking that the only reason that a hand
> drum is 100% seamless to me, is that I've spent all my life training my
> hands to articulate rhythms on a skin surface.  If I spend the same amount
> of time working with a certain electronic instrument I can imagine getting
> to the same point in my ability to control all the parameters to create
> music.
> Jon
>
>
>
>

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You can download the manual from the manufacturer's site here:

http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=178&brandID=4#serv
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I am putting together an online collaboration to create an open source sysex
editor for the Behringer FCB 1010 footpedal.  Arguably the best (for the
price) midi controller for looping and otherwise.

I need anyone who has Java programming experience, or has a fcb1010 and can
get a sysex dump from their fcb for testing.  If you have a connection with
Behringer for inside information, that could certainly help too...

Please contact me privately if this interests you.  I would think it goes
without saying that a very large community of musicians would benefit from
this project!
Jon

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Great idea.  I just bought a FCB 1010. The quality of the physical box is
very good - way better than lots of stuff I have purchased and found
adequate. My FCB 1010 could totally destroy my Oxygen 8 except in a
batteries only duel. Anyway I would like to participate in this project only
if I can be helpful. I do not program in Java. I program in SAS which is a
statistics package.

I use MidiQuest for some of my sysex patch libraries. It works very well
with SONAR Midiquest comes with a companion product called TechQuest which
is basically the construction tool that the folks at SoundQuest use for
putting together new modules for their products. Maybe a parallel project in
MidiQuest would be valuable. I am just thinking out loud here but at least
I'm on thread, I think. Or am I?

ALex
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> I am putting together an online collaboration to create an open source
sysex
> editor for the Behringer FCB 1010 footpedal.  Arguably the best (for the
> price) midi controller for looping and otherwise.
>
> I need anyone who has Java programming experience, or has a fcb1010 and
can
> get a sysex dump from their fcb for testing.  If you have a connection
with
> Behringer for inside information, that could certainly help too...
>
> Please contact me privately if this interests you.  I would think it goes
> without saying that a very large community of musicians would benefit from
> this project!
> Jon
>

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>Also, there is the direct
>tactile feedback: acoustic instruments rattle our bones in a way unlike a
>speaker cabinet.

I was going to say that, but does it really matter? Can we feel the sound?
By touching the vibrating element, you dampen it...
Still, its a point!

>  > Further than that: I believe that the Force that created the laws of
>>  nature usually does not violate those laws (exept for miracles...),
>>  so the only space the original Force can influence the happenings
>>  arround us is though what we percieve as random. As a consequence,
>>  wherever we leave something to the accident, we open a space for
>>  divinity.
>
>And the more we leave to accident, the purer our lives must be, otherwise we
>fall right into that Divine Space, eh? OH, my mind is so flying on this! The
>balance between Control and Accident!

yes, nice! As usual, things are not the better the more you go to one 
side, so what is the balance here?

You mostly get Control by choosing from what the Accident brings you:
In real life, the accident presents a person and you decide what you say.
In looping, some sound happens and you fade it, edit it, play over it...

You can also wait for the Accident to happen:
You loose something and instead of searching for it everywhere, you 
wait until you find it by accident. Its amazing how often this works. 
It may be help from spirits or just a hidden function of the brain...

You can select what you want to leave totally to Accident:
Games, hit random notes, calulated risks...
I would rather avoid that, it seems a rather respectless challenge to 
the spiritual world.

So maybe its not so much about keeping control (is there anything we 
can really control?) but preserving a chance to select the moments 
where the divine interference really happened and trash the rest...

Maybe this kind of vision provides us with more patience in cases 
where the Accident works totally against us - which usually means it 
works in favor of some other element we may not understand... or 
maybe the "pure accident" also exists?
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Note:

Keep the FCB1010 away from wah pedals etc- it will induce some serious hum.
Pick it up and move it around and listen to the results. I discovered this
recently.

Cliff


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> mark-very nice pic and a nice layout of your pedalboard. boy it looks
CLEAN!!!
> i'm trying to set up "my new studio" (got the fostex mr-8 for xmas &
> trying to set it up my system w/ my cd recorder. boy i'm running out
> of space w/ my 4-space rack (which is now too small since my digitech
> ips33 sits on top, etc).
> just nice to see a nice "relatively simple" footpedal arrangement all
nicely
> layed out. boy thinking back to the days when i ran my steinberger
> through a rat pedal and my yamaha digital delay for echo and i was
> happy w/ that.....
> s---

Thanks for all the compliments. It's interesting....I also posted a note on
the jazz guitar newsgroup and one guy's reaction there was "Wow, I've never
heard of a jazzer with so many pedals!" On this list, the reaction is "Wow,
you have such a simple setup!". :)

The George L's cables really help to streamline things. I left some space
between the pedals so that the 1/4 cables could be unplugged without lifting
the pedals up.

I am kind of embarrassed that I built this pedalboard last year and still
haven't played out with it yet (other than at music stores to try out
keyboard amps and show off). Right after I built it, I got asked to play in
a real band with a great organist here in Champaign (Russell Cheatham) and
also to restore a huge modular Moog synth. So I kind of dropped the project.

Another reason I haven't played out with it yet is....I haven't figured out
how to END a song in a way that doesn't sound totally lame! Maybe someone
can give me some ideas. It sounds really bad to just have the drums suddenly
disappear while you play a last chord. I also tried putting a sample of a
bass drum and crash cymbal hit into slot 11 of the second RC-20, and wiring
a pedal up to advance it from 10 to 11 at the end. That also sounds really
stupid. Maybe I could just fade out every tune with the volume pedal, like
"All Blues"...

Another problem is having to bend over to change drum beats. Don't have all
the bugs worked out.

I fully expect to get really weird looks from the jazz audience when I play
out with this.

Mark Smart


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Jon sais:

>I realized after a little more thinking that the only reason that a hand
>drum is 100% seamless to me, is that I've spent all my life training my
>hands to articulate rhythms on a skin surface.  If I spend the same amount
>of time working with a certain electronic instrument I can imagine getting
>to the same point in my ability to control all the parameters to create
>music.

maybe, if there are enough parameters... but what about the listener 
who is not familiar with those parameters?
Again a question of balance between tradition and innovation?


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Great idea, Jon!

It's been quite a while since I've done much Java code, but I'm happy to
help out.

Dennis Leas
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I am putting together an online collaboration to create an open source sysex
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I need anyone who has Java programming experience, or has a fcb1010 and can
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Please contact me privately if this interests you.  I would think it goes
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Jon



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Just came across this and thought it was interesting.
The only specific looping content I could find are the
references to Pierre Bensusan's, Peppino D'Agostino's
and Phil Keaggy's setups...



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maybe, if there are enough parameters... but what about the listener who is 
not familiar with those parameters?
Again a question of balance between tradition and innovation?


I'm not sure I follow

Many listeners aren't familiar with sound as a wave, yet they hear.
Theymay not be familiar with the concept of a key, yet the hear a cadence 
come to rest.


I find that very expressive music can be made with relatively few 
parameters.  Clavier instruments are very good examples of this.  One is 
talking through mechanical or electrical proxies to the sound production 
means. Simple parameters can interact in complex and sometimes unexpected 
ways.

I think the very important (and often missed) part is to remember that the 
interface is BIDIRECTIONAL.  It's important to be aware of your instrument's 
reactions.  That's why, even though your piano is reacting to some pedal 
states and hammer rates (the rebound of which is controlled by the 
mechanism) -- you can HEAR when someone is playing with the weight of their 
arms or the muscles of their fingers (like a harsichord player on a piano).

I would venture we've all heard (or played with) mechanical players that 
weren't LISTENING to what they were doing.  They weren't communicating with 
their instruments.


The instrument alters the player.




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In a message dated 1/27/03 1:11:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> t-shirt and cd sales

now you're talkin!....:).....i need both, who's sellin?.....i think i got 
everything in the LD store.....kim, what's the scoop on that "SURVEY" 
thing.....i filled it out and they told me i was a "WINNER"and to get my 
PRIZE they needed not only my e-mail but also my snail-mail address.....of 
course i became "PARANOID" and ran.....i didn't blow some monster prize, 
eh?.....michael

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In a message dated 1/27/03 1:11:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:






t-shirt and cd sales




now you're talkin!....:).....i need both, who's sellin?.....i think i got everything in the LD store.....kim, what's the scoop on that "SURVEY" thing.....i filled it out and they told me i was a "WINNER"and to get my PRIZE they needed not only my e-mail but also my snail-mail address.....of course i became "PARANOID" and ran.....i didn't blow some monster prize, eh?.....michael

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> The instrument alters the player.


Yes!  It's a LOOP!

player->instrument->player->...


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Can you prvide me with an owner's manual for Yamaha DJX-11?

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Can you prvide me with an owner's manual for Yamaha=20
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I suppose I would agree but for the fact that I've never had an electronic
instrument sound or operate different/better as a result- they usually just
stop working all together whereas there is a far better chance in analog/non
electronic gear could produce interesting/musical results under adverse
conditions.

Imagine if the EDP sounded better after it got hot- I'd install a heating
element! Or maybe make an altar for it on stage and set the top of it on
fire listening to the sweet warm tones it would then produce.

;)

Cliff

>>I like the fact that my synthesizer, like my cello - is thermally
sensitive.


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I get thermal drift out of some oscillators, what's kind of neat is they 
slightly detune themselves (I can always retune and tweek), but it's kind of 
like tuning a 12 string guitar perfectly, I like the way the pairs will 
slightly detune and thicken after you bang on it for a few








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I suppose I would agree but for the fact that I've never had an electronic
instrument sound or operate different/better as a result- they usually just
stop working all together whereas there is a far better chance in analog/non
electronic gear could produce interesting/musical results under adverse
conditions.

Imagine if the EDP sounded better after it got hot- I'd install a heating
element! Or maybe make an altar for it on stage and set the top of it on
fire listening to the sweet warm tones it would then produce.

;)

Cliff

 >>I like the fact that my synthesizer, like my cello - is thermally
sensitive.


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> Has anyone jammed live (in real time) 
> via MIDI successfully over the internet or a fast modem.....?

I've jammed with a friend who had a normal dial-up modem, 
using an application I developed.  I don't even try to
do perfect synchronization - what the application does
is actually *add* delay and resynchronize things to
a 4-beat pattern.  What I hear during a given 4-beat
pattern is what the other person played in response
to what I played in the 4-beat pattern that ended
a few beats previous (or something like that - it gets a
bit confusing - everything is overlapped).  
The application is written using Keykit,
and only works on Windows and Linux.

    ...Tim...

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This is starting to sound like the time travel
paradox thing that they dismiss in Star Trek
all the time....  or at least some of the time,
except when they go back in time and re-edit
the show, which means they wouldn't have
had to go back in time.  Maybe I should go
back and stop myself before I hit the send button.

What about a shockwave web app that lets a
visitor add notes to a notation manuscript and
plays back via MIDI....  This way composers
could collaborate more quickly and easily...?
--
gary
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Tim Thompson wrote:

> > Has anyone jammed live (in real time)
> > via MIDI successfully over the internet or a fast modem.....?
>
> I've jammed with a friend who had a normal dial-up modem,
> using an application I developed.  I don't even try to
> do perfect synchronization - what the application does
> is actually *add* delay and resynchronize things to
> a 4-beat pattern.  What I hear during a given 4-beat
> pattern is what the other person played in response
> to what I played in the 4-beat pattern that ended
> a few beats previous (or something like that - it gets a
> bit confusing - everything is overlapped).
> The application is written using Keykit,
> and only works on Windows and Linux.
>
>     ...Tim...




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Hi folks,

I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in 
Cambridge, with a group of co-conspirators including, but not 
necessarily limited to

Katt Hernandez
T. J.Noyes
Dan Soltzberg
Elio Deluca

I'm looking forward to it, and hope to see you there. 8PM or so, and 
the door is only $5.  I've got lots of new tapes to mix with.

@ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY
1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge
69 Bus from Harvard Gate
all shows 8 pm
all shows $10 or b/o
all ages
NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060

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Hi gang--
As a result of not being able to play, I was watching "Who Wants to Be a
Millionaire".  The question was posed as to what was a technical term for
our unofficial looping symbol, the Moebius "lazy eight".  Turns out we have
a high falutin' term for our symbol!
http://www.byzant.com/symbols/lemniscate.asp
This site talks about it a little--but hey, Google yourself out!
Gary
PS  First physical therapy on Wednesday.  Ouch!
G


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haha

At 10:06 PM 1/26/2003, you wrote:
>1) never follows thru with promised lap dance

that costs $100.

>2) will just blow it on hair dye & scotch

that's true, but it makes the lap dance much better.

>5) refuses to confirm if he "really digs Mao" or
>    "really digs mayo"

good question.

>7) try explaining a $50 Visa payment to "Kim" at
>    "Loopers-Delight" to your wife

just send your wife over, I'll explain.

>8) stole EDP software from Bill Gates

you know that's a lie, otherwise the Echoplex would be crashing the internet.

>10)...............................................
>    ...............................................
>    ...I can't think of # 10 so I guess I'll have
>    to kick in $50.

thanks a lot, that's really kind of you! (and thanks to the other folks who 
donated something, it really does help keep this place going.)

kim



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--- Mark Smart  wrote:
> 
> Another reason I haven't played out with it yet
> is....I haven't figured out
> how to END a song in a way that doesn't sound
> totally lame!

One way would be to run your loop to a delay just
prior to ending the loop. If the delay will multi-
tap, ping-pong, repeat hold, or change pitch, so
much the better.

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You can get it here:


(The first place you should look for a manual is
probably the manufacturer...) :-)

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--- Sidney Carter III  wrote:
> Can you prvide me with an owner's manual for Yamaha
> DJX-11?
> 


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--- Clifford  wrote:
> Imagine if the EDP sounded better after it got hot-
> I'd install a heating element!

You've probably just planted the seeds for an urban
legend! People all over the world will be saying "I
remember reading on the Internet somewhere that
digital looping devices work *much* better when the
device directly beneath in the rack is a toaster
oven."

I wonder how many nice old Marshalls were fried after
people read about Eddie Van H's Variac trick...

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Hi,
how stable are the SKBs or are there better
alternatives to floor pedal boards?
L.a

> > mark-very nice pic and a nice layout of your
> pedalboard. boy it looks
> CLEAN!!!
> > i'm trying to set up "my new studio" (got the
> fostex mr-8 for xmas &
> > trying to set it up my system w/ my cd recorder.
> boy i'm running out
> > of space w/ my 4-space rack (which is now too
> small since my digitech
> > ips33 sits on top, etc).
> > just nice to see a nice "relatively simple"
> footpedal arrangement all
> nicely
> > layed out. boy thinking back to the days when i
> ran my steinberger
> > through a rat pedal and my yamaha digital delay
> for echo and i was
> > happy w/ that.....
> > s---
> 
> Thanks for all the compliments. It's
> interesting....I also posted a note on
> the jazz guitar newsgroup and one guy's reaction
> there was "Wow, I've never
> heard of a jazzer with so many pedals!" On this
> list, the reaction is "Wow,
> you have such a simple setup!". :)
> 
> The George L's cables really help to streamline
> things. I left some space
> between the pedals so that the 1/4 cables could be
> unplugged without lifting
> the pedals up.
> 
> I am kind of embarrassed that I built this
> pedalboard last year and still
> haven't played out with it yet (other than at music
> stores to try out
> keyboard amps and show off). Right after I built it,
> I got asked to play in
> a real band with a great organist here in Champaign
> (Russell Cheatham) and
> also to restore a huge modular Moog synth. So I kind
> of dropped the project.
> 
> Another reason I haven't played out with it yet
> is....I haven't figured out
> how to END a song in a way that doesn't sound
> totally lame! Maybe someone
> can give me some ideas. It sounds really bad to just
> have the drums suddenly
> disappear while you play a last chord. I also tried
> putting a sample of a
> bass drum and crash cymbal hit into slot 11 of the
> second RC-20, and wiring
> a pedal up to advance it from 10 to 11 at the end.
> That also sounds really
> stupid. Maybe I could just fade out every tune with
> the volume pedal, like
> "All Blues"...
> 
> Another problem is having to bend over to change
> drum beats. Don't have all
> the bugs worked out.
> 
> I fully expect to get really weird looks from the
> jazz audience when I play
> out with this.
> 
> Mark Smart
> 
> 


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Great idea i am for it!
L.a
--- alex millar  wrote:
> Great idea.  I just bought a FCB 1010. The quality
> of the physical box is
> very good - way better than lots of stuff I have
> purchased and found
> adequate. My FCB 1010 could totally destroy my
> Oxygen 8 except in a
> batteries only duel. Anyway I would like to
> participate in this project only
> if I can be helpful. I do not program in Java. I
> program in SAS which is a
> statistics package.
> 
> I use MidiQuest for some of my sysex patch
> libraries. It works very well
> with SONAR Midiquest comes with a companion product
> called TechQuest which
> is basically the construction tool that the folks at
> SoundQuest use for
> putting together new modules for their products.
> Maybe a parallel project in
> MidiQuest would be valuable. I am just thinking out
> loud here but at least
> I'm on thread, I think. Or am I?
> 
> ALex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Wagner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:38 PM
> Subject: FCB 1010
> 
> 
> > I am putting together an online collaboration to
> create an open source
> sysex
> > editor for the Behringer FCB 1010 footpedal. 
> Arguably the best (for the
> > price) midi controller for looping and otherwise.
> >
> > I need anyone who has Java programming experience,
> or has a fcb1010 and
> can
> > get a sysex dump from their fcb for testing.  If
> you have a connection
> with
> > Behringer for inside information, that could
> certainly help too...
> >
> > Please contact me privately if this interests you.
>  I would think it goes
> > without saying that a very large community of
> musicians would benefit from
> > this project!
> > Jon
> >
> 


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In an effort to keep the OT bandwidth down a little,
AND to provide a place for us to post photos of our
setups, I've created a new Yahoo group called
'pedalboards'.



It's moderator-less; the designated topic is intended
to encompass any manner of electronic sound
modification device (including but *not* limited to
loopers); floor-based, rackmount or any combination
thereof.

This new list is *not* intended to replace LD, but as
Kim has pointed out, LD is a looping forum, and we're
often deluged with gear-related posts that have
nothing to do with looping. This group is for that.

As with LD, posts about religion, politics, etc. *are*
off-topic, and it'll be a "no-flame zone".

I've already posted some pics of my looping rig, and
you're invited to do the same. I will, however, ask
that you keep the file size of any photos you post
down as small as possible, preferably 72 dpi
compressed jpegs of LESS THAN 100 KB each, since we
only have 30 megs to share between all of us, and I'd
like to get photos of as many of our rigs as possible
posted. If you've already got such photos online,
there's also a 'links' section from which we can see
yer stuff.

Again, the site's homepage can be reached at:
 or you
can subscribe directly at
pedalboards-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Thanks, and hope to see you there. As if I don't
already get enough e-mail...

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Hi there loopfolks,

Well, after deliberating with myself about it a while.
A week ago I decided to purchase a Line6 DL-4. While
I have been a longtime, happy user of EDPs sometimes
I just don't want to haul my 16-spaces of rack to a gig
-- ya know? I figure the DL-4 could be the looping heart 
of a very portable mini-rig. So far so good?

Well, I took delivery of the little green thingy yesterday
and the box had no instructions in it. Is this normal?
While I did play around with it for 2 or 3 hours with
some satisfaction it still seems to me that this is 
a gross omission. Even stupid little Boss pedals come 
with at least **some** instructions don't they? 

Plus, the info on the box itself is pretty vague and really 
doesn't cover much that is useful beyond the whiz bang 
marketingspeak. Something tells me there **is** some
sort of info sheet for this thing, but my unit got shipped
without it for some reason. I called the store and they
took my number and said they'd see what they can do.

Geeeez, I have a gig with the thing in 10 days and this 
particular store is known for not getting things in a 
timely fashion. Anybody out there know what I'm missing? 
Is there a website with the info or can someone post me 
a PDF, JPEG or text file? Heck anything would help. I get
the distinct feeling that some of the knobs and buttons
have different functions in different modes. But what 
the heck are they?

Thanks,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

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http://Line6.com

----- Original Message -----
From: 
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> Hi there loopfolks,
>
> Well, after deliberating with myself about it a while.
> A week ago I decided to purchase a Line6 DL-4. While
> I have been a longtime, happy user of EDPs sometimes
> I just don't want to haul my 16-spaces of rack to a gig
> -- ya know? I figure the DL-4 could be the looping heart
> of a very portable mini-rig. So far so good?
>
> Well, I took delivery of the little green thingy yesterday
> and the box had no instructions in it. Is this normal?
> While I did play around with it for 2 or 3 hours with
> some satisfaction it still seems to me that this is
> a gross omission. Even stupid little Boss pedals come
> with at least **some** instructions don't they?
>
> Plus, the info on the box itself is pretty vague and really
> doesn't cover much that is useful beyond the whiz bang
> marketingspeak. Something tells me there **is** some
> sort of info sheet for this thing, but my unit got shipped
> without it for some reason. I called the store and they
> took my number and said they'd see what they can do.
>
> Geeeez, I have a gig with the thing in 10 days and this
> particular store is known for not getting things in a
> timely fashion. Anybody out there know what I'm missing?
> Is there a website with the info or can someone post me
> a PDF, JPEG or text file? Heck anything would help. I get
> the distinct feeling that some of the knobs and buttons
> have different functions in different modes. But what
> the heck are they?
>
> Thanks,
>
> tEd ® kiLLiAn
>
> ArsOcarina@aol.com
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake
>
>

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>Well, I took delivery of the little green thingy yesterday
>and the box had no instructions in it.

 From the line 6 site, http://line6.com

Here's the manual:

http://line6.com/pdf/manuals/EN/ACF1C7.pdf

here's the algorithm guide:

http://line6.com/pdf/manuals/EN/DL4_Factory_Presets_RevA.pdf


Hope this helps!

     /t

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Thanks!

It's just what the doctor ordered!

In a message dated 1/28/03 8:13:05 AM, tom@swirly.com writes:

>Here's the manual:
>http://line6.com/pdf/manuals/EN/ACF1C7.pdf
>
>here's the algorithm guide:
>http://line6.com/pdf/manuals/EN/DL4_Factory_Presets_RevA.pdf


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Great idea Tim!
cheers
L.a
--- Tim Nelson  wrote:
> In an effort to keep the OT bandwidth down a little,
> AND to provide a place for us to post photos of our
> setups, I've created a new Yahoo group called
> 'pedalboards'.
> 
> 
> 
> It's moderator-less; the designated topic is
> intended
> to encompass any manner of electronic sound
> modification device (including but *not* limited to
> loopers); floor-based, rackmount or any combination
> thereof.
> 
> This new list is *not* intended to replace LD, but
> as
> Kim has pointed out, LD is a looping forum, and
> we're
> often deluged with gear-related posts that have
> nothing to do with looping. This group is for that.
> 
> As with LD, posts about religion, politics, etc.
> *are*
> off-topic, and it'll be a "no-flame zone".
> 
> I've already posted some pics of my looping rig, and
> you're invited to do the same. I will, however, ask
> that you keep the file size of any photos you post
> down as small as possible, preferably 72 dpi
> compressed jpegs of LESS THAN 100 KB each, since we
> only have 30 megs to share between all of us, and
> I'd
> like to get photos of as many of our rigs as
> possible
> posted. If you've already got such photos online,
> there's also a 'links' section from which we can see
> yer stuff.
> 
> Again, the site's homepage can be reached at:
>  or you
> can subscribe directly at
> pedalboards-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Thanks, and hope to see you there. As if I don't
> already get enough e-mail...
> 
> -t-
> 
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--- Louie Angulo  wrote:
> Great idea Tim!

Thanks! And as far as I know, it's the only place
where you can see Godzilla playing a Klein while
stomping on cars. :-)



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Yes i see
I wanna try it too!
L.a
--- Tim Nelson  wrote:
> 
> --- Louie Angulo  wrote:
> > Great idea Tim!
> 
> Thanks! And as far as I know, it's the only place
> where you can see Godzilla playing a Klein while
> stomping on cars. :-)
> 
> 
> 
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Great. Now maybe somebody will create a selling-your-looping-
rig-and-extra-gear site. But wait, there already is one. It's called Ebay.
----- Original Message -----
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> In an effort to keep the OT bandwidth down a little,
> AND to provide a place for us to post photos of our
> setups, I've created a new Yahoo group called
> 'pedalboards'.
>
> 
>
> It's moderator-less; the designated topic is intended
> to encompass any manner of electronic sound
> modification device (including but *not* limited to
> loopers); floor-based, rackmount or any combination
> thereof.
>
> This new list is *not* intended to replace LD, but as
> Kim has pointed out, LD is a looping forum, and we're
> often deluged with gear-related posts that have
> nothing to do with looping. This group is for that.
>
> As with LD, posts about religion, politics, etc. *are*
> off-topic, and it'll be a "no-flame zone".
>
> I've already posted some pics of my looping rig, and
> you're invited to do the same. I will, however, ask
> that you keep the file size of any photos you post
> down as small as possible, preferably 72 dpi
> compressed jpegs of LESS THAN 100 KB each, since we
> only have 30 megs to share between all of us, and I'd
> like to get photos of as many of our rigs as possible
> posted. If you've already got such photos online,
> there's also a 'links' section from which we can see
> yer stuff.
>
> Again, the site's homepage can be reached at:
>  or you
> can subscribe directly at
> pedalboards-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Thanks, and hope to see you there. As if I don't
> already get enough e-mail...
>
> -t-
>
>
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--- Sidney Carter III  wrote:
> Can you prvide me with an owner's manual for Yamaha
> DJX-11?
> 

try the yamaha site.

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hey all--

2 interesting ghost 7 appearances coming up --

Jan 30 and Feb 2 at Zeitgeist, 1363 Cambridge Street, Inman Square,
Cambridge


On Thurs. Jan 30th-- the first night of Loopfest 2003-- I'll be the 3rd of =
4
performers playing a 30 min set each. The show begins at 7:30. More info
below.

On Sun. Feb 2nd, I'll be joining improv experimentalists extraordinaire Kat=
t
Hernandez, T.J. Noyes, Elio DeLuca, and video artist Dr. T for a no-holds
barred free-range session of Elio's Sketchpad series-- who knows where we'l=
l
go?

7-11 pm, $7 suggested donation


------------------------
LOOPFEST: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0January 30-31 =A0=A0Zeitgeist Gallery
-------------------------

Announcing Boston Loopfest 2003-- A festival of loop-based music.

Eight different acts over two nights-- Come and check out what's happening
on the Boston loop scene!

W H E N :=20

Thursday-Friday, 30-31 January 2003
Shows will begin both nights at 7:30p.

W H E R E :=20

Zeitgeist Gallery=20
1363 Cambridge Street
Cambridge, MA=20
(right near the center of Inman Square)

There will be a suggested donation of $10 at the door. [Not a soul will be
turned away for lack of funds.]

W H O :=20

Thursday January 30

1 Michael LaMeyer=20
2 Jon Wobesky with Jonathan Byerly
3 Ghost 7=20
4 Dave Dunbar=20

Friday January 31=20

1 UNDO=20
2 Jonathan LaMaster
3 Notnoise vs. Repeatpeak
4 RandomSalt=20

Video artist Ann Marie Lanesey will be providing the visuals, and will also
MC the event.=20

http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/

---------------------


ps-- Also, on Saturday Feb 1 at Zeitgeist, Roman Stange and his North Shore
crew will take over Zeitgeist for a night of experimental and dance
electronica-- see the Zeitgeist website for more info.
http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/

---------------------

ghost 7/ Oranje
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2 ghost 7 appearances at Zeitgeist this week




hey all--



2 interesting ghost 7 appearances coming up --



Jan 30 and Feb 2 at Zeitgeist, 1363 Cambridge Street, Inman Square, Camb=
ridge





On Thurs. Jan 30th-- the first night of Loopfest 2003-- I'll be the =
3rd of 4 performers playing a 30 min set each. The show begins at 7:30. M=
ore info below.



On Sun. Feb 2nd, I'll be joining improv experimentalists extraordina=
ire Katt Hernandez, T.J. Noyes, Elio DeLuca, and video artist Dr. T for a no=
-holds barred free-range session of Elio's Sketchpad series-- who kno=
ws where we'll go?



7-11 pm, $7 suggested donation





------------------------ 

LOOPFEST: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0January 30-31 =A0=A0Zeitgeist Gallery 

------------------------- 



Announcing Boston Loopfest 2003-- A festival of loop-based music. 



Eight different acts over two nights-- Come and check out what's happening =


on the Boston loop scene! 



W H E N : 



Thursday-Friday, 30-31 January 2003 

Shows will begin both nights at 7:30p. 



W H E R E : 



Zeitgeist Gallery 

1363 Cambridge Street 

Cambridge, MA 

(right near the center of Inman Square) 



There will be a suggested donation of $10 at the door. [Not a soul will be =
turned away for lack of funds.] 



W H O : 



Thursday January 30 



1 Michael LaMeyer 

2 Jon Wobesky with Jonathan Byerly 

3 Ghost 7 

4 Dave Dunbar 



Friday January 31 



1 UNDO 

2 Jonathan LaMaster 

3 Notnoise vs. Repeatpeak 

4 RandomSalt 



Video artist Ann Marie Lanesey will be providing the visuals, and will also=
 MC the event. 



http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/



---------------------






ps-- Also, on Saturday Feb 1 at Zeitgeist, Roman Stange and his Nor=
th Shore crew will take over Zeitgeist for a night of experimental and dance=
 electronica-- see the Zeitgeist website for more info.


http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/



---------------------



ghost 7/ Oranje

http://envelopeproductions.com

d.ans@verizon.net









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Ted-

http://www.line6.com/pdf/manuals/EN/ACF1C7.pdf

this orta do it.

peace.
will.


> From: ArsOcarina@aol.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: DL-4 Question
> 
> Hi there loopfolks,
> 
> Well, after deliberating with myself about it a while.
> A week ago I decided to purchase a Line6 DL-4. While
>
 - SNIP -
>
> Is there a website with the info or can someone post me 
> a PDF, JPEG or text file? Heck anything would help. I get
> the distinct feeling that some of the knobs and buttons
> have different functions in different modes. But what 
> the heck are they?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> tEd ® kiLLiAn
> 
> ArsOcarina@aol.com
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You can log on at line6.com, go to the support menu and pull down the
manual menu. I have a contact at line 6 who can shoot you a hard copy if
the store you bought it from is unresponsive. You bought yourself a cool
box, Ted.
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>> You can log on at line6.com, go to the support menu and pull down the
>> manual menu. I have a contact at line 6 who can shoot you a hard copy if
>> the store you bought it from is unresponsive. You bought yourself a cool
>> box, Ted.
>> Bill
>


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Hello loopaz...

Few quick questions about the repeater...

- Is there any way to have the inputs on the repeater
have unique track ownership?  I ask because I want to
be able to have multiple musicians going through the
repeater all playing simultaneously...but only record
certain instruments while allowing the others to just
pass through (is there a buypass for tracks on the
repeater?).  Basically, I'm working with bass and
turntables and I want to be able to record certain
drum hits and samples from the tables while grooving
on the bass but when I record, I only want to record
the tables and not the bass, but also have the ability
to record the bass without the tables.  I've tried
playing with panning the tracks and using stereo outs,
but haven't been able to accomplish this yet.  I know
I can do it if I send everything through a mixer, but
unfortunately, I am missing the crucial piece...the
mixing board!

- Has anyone had problems with the dry mute feature? 
I can't seem to dry mute my signal so that only my
effected signal is audible.  Is it because I am
passing my original signal back into the rptr?  I have
the wet/dry ratio set for 100% wet...but I can always
still hear  my original signal for certain tones.

- General gear question - I have my repeater and a
filter factory in an skb case.   To save time on
packup and setup, i tend to keep both units plugged
into a power strip/surge protector and carefully wrap
the wires neatly and rest them in the case  for
travel.  With the near impossibility of getting either
of these units fixed or parts replaced if something
goes wrong...i'm beginning to think that it may be a
better idea to take the additional few minutes to
unplug everything.  I am careful to not bend the ends
of the power adapters and do not put any tension on
them when i wrap them, but does anyone know for sure
if doing something like this will really hurt my power
adapters over time?

keep on looping...

peace and bass...~e
evanmeyers@yahoo.com


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hmmm.

Sounds like the easy way to do the "individual instrument" thing is to 
assign the repeater an Aux channel, that way -- only instruments SENDING to 
the Aux channel (at that particular time) will get "looped"







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Hello loopaz...

Few quick questions about the repeater...

- Is there any way to have the inputs on the repeater
have unique track ownership?  I ask because I want to
be able to have multiple musicians going through the
repeater all playing simultaneously...but only record
certain instruments while allowing the others to just
pass through (is there a buypass for tracks on the
repeater?).  Basically, I'm working with bass and
turntables and I want to be able to record certain
drum hits and samples from the tables while grooving
on the bass but when I record, I only want to record
the tables and not the bass, but also have the ability
to record the bass without the tables.  I've tried
playing with panning the tracks and using stereo outs,
but haven't been able to accomplish this yet.  I know
I can do it if I send everything through a mixer, but
unfortunately, I am missing the crucial piece...the
mixing board!

- Has anyone had problems with the dry mute feature?
I can't seem to dry mute my signal so that only my
effected signal is audible.  Is it because I am
passing my original signal back into the rptr?  I have
the wet/dry ratio set for 100% wet...but I can always
still hear  my original signal for certain tones.

- General gear question - I have my repeater and a
filter factory in an skb case.   To save time on
packup and setup, i tend to keep both units plugged
into a power strip/surge protector and carefully wrap
the wires neatly and rest them in the case  for
travel.  With the near impossibility of getting either
of these units fixed or parts replaced if something
goes wrong...i'm beginning to think that it may be a
better idea to take the additional few minutes to
unplug everything.  I am careful to not bend the ends
of the power adapters and do not put any tension on
them when i wrap them, but does anyone know for sure
if doing something like this will really hurt my power
adapters over time?

keep on looping...

peace and bass...~e
evanmeyers@yahoo.com


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--- Clifford Novey  wrote:
> Note:
> 
> Keep the FCB1010 away from wah pedals etc- it will
> induce some serious hum.
> Pick it up and move it around and listen to the
> results. I discovered this
> recently.

could be from your midi cable.  i've heard that having
sound wires newar midi wires creates frequency
crossovers and hence unwanted noise.

~e

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--- James Winger  wrote:
> hmmm.
> 
> Sounds like the easy way to do the "individual
> instrument" thing is to 
> assign the repeater an Aux channel, that way -- only
> instruments SENDING to 
> the Aux channel (at that particular time) will get
> "looped"
> 

but without a mixing board, can it be accomplished? 
bear in mind, i have effects going to and from the
effects in/out on the repeater.
~e

is there a way to buypass the repeater and have an
input  just pass the sound directly through without
any processing?

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Nope- midi was disconnected- 
c

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> --- Clifford Novey  wrote:
> > Note:
> > 
> > Keep the FCB1010 away from wah pedals etc- it will
> > induce some serious hum.
> > Pick it up and move it around and listen to the
> > results. I discovered this
> > recently.
> 
> could be from your midi cable.  i've heard that having
> sound wires newar midi wires creates frequency
> crossovers and hence unwanted noise.
> 
> ~e
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I discovered recently, much to my chagrin, that while my motu midi timepeice
was connected to my laptop via USB, WHILE the MTP was OFF (but devices
connected to the MTP via MIDI cables were ON and patched into my mixer),
resulted in my harddrive's activity being audible through my monitors!
:-(  And no, my laptop was not patched into any other equipment by any other
means (audio or otherswise, except maybe the same wall outlet).  When I
removed the USB cable, the noise stopped immediately, and the noise through
the monitors precisely coincided with physically audible hard drive
activity.

[Laptop]<--USB-->[MTP(OFF)]<--MIDI-->[audio
gear]--AUDIO-->[Mixer]--AUDIO-->[Monitors] = hard drive activity noise!!!

Yucky.

Mike

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>
>
> --- Clifford Novey  wrote:
> > Note:
> >
> > Keep the FCB1010 away from wah pedals etc- it will
> > induce some serious hum.
> > Pick it up and move it around and listen to the
> > results. I discovered this
> > recently.
>
> could be from your midi cable.  i've heard that having
> sound wires newar midi wires creates frequency
> crossovers and hence unwanted noise.
>
> ~e

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afaik, there's no way to pass through audio on one channel while recording
audio on another channel, with the Repeater.  Once you get it in there
though, you can output each of the 4 tracks separately.

Even if you have, say, bass into Left input channel, and TT into Right input
channel, on the Repeater, and you've got the dry mute OFF, and you only
enable one track for recording on the Repeater, what should happen is that
it'll record BOTH L & R channels (i.e. Bass & TT) MONO into that single
record enabled track.

Sorry, you'll need a mixer to do what you want to do, and preferrably one
that allows you to switch between aux sends or busses easily and quickly.
Although theoritically, you could find a simple mixer that did this for not
too much $, and the Mackie 1202 would probably fit the bill (does that have
the alt 3&4 output??? can't remember).

Mike

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> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:24 PM
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>
>
> --- James Winger  wrote:
> > hmmm.
> >
> > Sounds like the easy way to do the "individual
> > instrument" thing is to
> > assign the repeater an Aux channel, that way -- only
> > instruments SENDING to
> > the Aux channel (at that particular time) will get
> > "looped"
> >
>
> but without a mixing board, can it be accomplished?
> bear in mind, i have effects going to and from the
> effects in/out on the repeater.
> ~e
>
> is there a way to buypass the repeater and have an
> input  just pass the sound directly through without
> any processing?
>
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Thanks everybody! 

My next questions are: Why does the PDF version
of the Dl-4 manual start on page 12? Why are there
little or no explanations of use with a CV pedal?
Why no spec page that might indicate whether 
this thing's input/output levels would be better 
suited for use in-line between an instrument and 
amp or in the amp's effects loop? Seems like 
there are a lot of "holes" in what they provide on
their website. I feel like I'm only getting half of
the story.

tEd ® kiLLiAn

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-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Bolan [mailto:pbolan@csiconstruction.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:44 PM
To: m.lameyer@verizon.net
Subject: RE: Speaking of hum and/or noise ... (was RE: FCB 1010)


I have found that my DELL CPX laptop will cause considerable noise on
audio channels when it PLUGGED into the wall via an AC Adaptor.  If it
runs on batteries it's much much quieter.  

When I perform, I make sure it's just running on batteries.

That may help....?



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 2:28 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Speaking of hum and/or noise ... (was RE: FCB 1010)

I discovered recently, much to my chagrin, that while my motu midi
timepeice
was connected to my laptop via USB, WHILE the MTP was OFF (but devices
connected to the MTP via MIDI cables were ON and patched into my mixer),
resulted in my harddrive's activity being audible through my monitors!
:-(  And no, my laptop was not patched into any other equipment by any
other
means (audio or otherswise, except maybe the same wall outlet).  When I
removed the USB cable, the noise stopped immediately, and the noise
through
the monitors precisely coincided with physically audible hard drive
activity.

[Laptop]<--USB-->[MTP(OFF)]<--MIDI-->[audio
gear]--AUDIO-->[Mixer]--AUDIO-->[Monitors] = hard drive activity
noise!!!

Yucky.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:11 PM
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>
>
> --- Clifford Novey  wrote:
> > Note:
> >
> > Keep the FCB1010 away from wah pedals etc- it will
> > induce some serious hum.
> > Pick it up and move it around and listen to the
> > results. I discovered this
> > recently.
>
> could be from your midi cable.  i've heard that having
> sound wires newar midi wires creates frequency
> crossovers and hence unwanted noise.
>
> ~e

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--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
>Why does the PDF version
> of the Dl-4 manual start on page 12?

If I remember correctly. it's because there's also a
pub that deals with the features shared in common by
each of the modeling pedals that's about 11 pages
long, and then each specific model has its own manual
from page 12 up.

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"Stomp Box Modelers Intro" is the part you're missing,
Ted, I'm pretty sure.

Do you have the presets chart? (It's listed
separately, too.)

-t-


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hey guys, 
i'm new to this, just got a line 6 DL4 the other day. i'm a pretty good 
guitar player and musician but i'm still learning to make good loops.  any 
basic tips?  i'm looking for a rock type thing like howie day does only more 
rock and roll based.  im into the stones, zeppelin, all that classic rock, if 
that helps. 

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hey guys, 

i'm new to this, just got a line 6 DL4 the other day. i'm a pretty good guitar player and musician but i'm still learning to make good loops.  any basic tips?  i'm looking for a rock type thing like howie day does only more rock and roll based.  im into the stones, zeppelin, all that classic rock, if that helps. 

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>
>It gets hairy forgetting to disengage the Repeater midi sync and creating
>new loop on the EDP- or leaving the drums up and all of the sudden you hear
>the beat go to 300 bpm. This is only one of many things I see in my current
>setup- and I consider trimming the possibilities down to avoid such results.
>We must remember to keep OURSELVES in the musical moment as well- which goes
>hand in hand with this whole topic.

its really the technology that should care for this stuff.
for me, the most important improvement in Loop4 is the RecordMode SAF 
because it stopped my only such preocupation. I feel a lot more at 
ease to start new loops any time. But for others this may be useless 
or interfering.
So we have to create a lot of parameters to leave every musician at 
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>  > Has anyone jammed live (in real time)
>>  via MIDI successfully over the internet or a fast modem.....?
>
>I've jammed with a friend who had a normal dial-up modem,
>using an application I developed.  I don't even try to
>do perfect synchronization - what the application does
>is actually *add* delay and resynchronize things to
>a 4-beat pattern.  What I hear during a given 4-beat
>pattern is what the other person played in response
>to what I played in the 4-beat pattern that ended
>a few beats previous (or something like that - it gets a
>bit confusing - everything is overlapped).

I recently saw a concert here where they plaied with musicians in 
france over the net. They made a big thing out of it and the public 
did not quite realize how the delay screwed it up mostly.
It worked reasonably for a shaman voice meeting, where time was not 
so important. Marcus Susano and a brilliant italian panderist found a 
way to play fast enough and pingpong the base beat that turned out 
interesting.
I sounded best when the french guys had a electronic groove going, so 
they did not try to match the beats coming from here. But in france 
this same part must have sounded off!
I thought of exactly the solution you already programmed, it seems: 
if the delay is extended to exactly the length of a loop, we do not 
answer correctly to the immediate playing but at least build on the 
loop together.
But how do you detect the correct delay correction since the delay 
over the net is not constant?
Reminds me of the net time syncronization: How can they send you the 
exact hour if they dont know how long the message takes?

So maybe the first net-concert that will groove well will be a 
loopers meeting? :-)
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I sad, not very smartly, I admit:
>maybe, if there are enough parameters... but what about the listener 
>who is not familiar with those parameters?
>Again a question of balance between tradition and innovation?


James answered:
>I'm not sure I follow
>
>Many listeners aren't familiar with sound as a wave, yet they hear.
>They may not be familiar with the concept of a key, yet the hear a 
>cadence come to rest.

right.
I was interested in how the listener interpretes the sound. Probably 
he has to associate it to something.
For example, distortion became famous rather quickly, maybe because 
the concept of overdriving and clipping is preestablished in our 
hearing, so it was immediately associated to anger and revolution in 
the 60ies.

>I find that very expressive music can be made with relatively few 
>parameters.  Clavier instruments are very good examples of this. 
>One is talking through mechanical or electrical proxies to the sound 
>production means. Simple parameters can interact in complex and 
>sometimes unexpected ways.

sure, melodies and rhythms are expresive and dont depend on sound, 
but when we talk about the expression of instruments here, its 
probably mosty through the sound.

>I think the very important (and often missed) part is to remember 
>that the interface is BIDIRECTIONAL.  It's important to be aware of 
>your instrument's reactions.  That's why, even though your piano is 
>reacting to some pedal states and hammer rates (the rebound of which 
>is controlled by the mechanism) -- you can HEAR when someone is 
>playing with the weight of their arms or the muscles of their 
>fingers (like a harsichord player on a piano).

yes, thats the kind of expression I was thinking of: The sound 
reminds of a movement which reminds of a feeling.

>I would venture we've all heard (or played with) mechanical players 
>that weren't LISTENING to what they were doing.  They weren't 
>communicating with their instruments.
>
>The instrument alters the player.

Nice. The player probably selects the instrument that takes him to 
the state he wants to work in/about...

No way to really theoretically fix this. We play an feel. But we 
observe more and more consciously what we want to achieve/express and 
how the instruments influence us and the listener. I think looping 
helps for this due to its immediate return.
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>Sorry to bother the list with an OT post - if you feel the need to 
>flame, please email me privately.
>
>I've got a Tascam DA-88 (8 track digital multitrack) deck that I've 
>had for several years. It's worked beautifully, never had a problem 
>with it, but it's suddenly decided to eat tapes. I found a service 
>page on the net that told me how to pop the unit open and look for 
>problems. It looks like the head itself is in perfect condition, but 
>something else (rollers? capstans?) must be slightly out of 
>alignment, because the tape isn't aligning exactly right against the 
>head, or the rollers ... thus it starts to get off of the rollers 
>and start going everywhere.

did you clean capstan and roller? Put it to play without tape and 
slowly pass the finger nail along the capstan, you can feel whether 
its all smoth and go on until it is. Similarely for the roller. Or 
use some alkohol...
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Could it be that your computers watch is off, Lance? I somehow often 
find your post only later...

>ok. so the bucket brigade chip is actually a true analog chip that was in
>use in the 70s and 80s and now is in use in the moog analog delay.   would
>these work?:
>"SAD1024
>1024 stage, capacitor "bucket brigade" audio frequency delay chip.
>Discontinued, but Panasonic makes a full line of (apparently) equivalent
>chips in various sizes and configurations. Three that may be suitable as
>replacements are MN3007, MN3207, and MN3214. They are listed in the **
>current ** DIGI-KEY catalog (199901..03) on page 187 at $9 to $18. The data
>book is listed as part number 9102B at $3.50"

yes, those are the ones! And they are cheaper that they were!
If I remember that MN3007 right, its also ancient. Not a direct 
replacement for SAD parts, but functionally the same or better.
so, go ahead and build your analog delay, its not so complicated...

If you are smart, you can adapt the clock frequency to create a tap tempo!

Say you have 2048 buckets.
So you want 2048 clocks to happen between the two taps.
You have a master clock some 100 times faster than the sample clock.
You count the master clocks between two taps.
You divide the result by the number of buckets, in other words shift by 11bits.
The result is the number you have to divide the master clock with.
No?
Thats easy to do with a few 74HCxx chips...
Then you can still fiddle arround with the master clock to get the so 
desired analog speed effect.

I would put another delay line in parallel which is 4 times longer 
and runs on the same clock. So you get two tracks, a one bar rhythm 
and a 4 bar harmony... :-)

>next question: does the EDP "read samples" like the repeater and if so why
>does it not have a "pop" at the loop point of a looped sine.  does the line
>6 "read samples" and is it's behavior more akin to the repeater or the EDP?
>how prevalent is the repeater design architecture becoming in the
>delay -loop market?

The EDP is not sample oriented, its running through the whole memory 
just like a tape machine. It does not create pops because it does not 
jump in the memory (exept for some functions) and it fades in and out 
with a analog chip at the input. But the sine at the loop point is 
not perfectly spliced, just cross faded.

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remember that discussion about the sucess of Santana?
he figures in the Guiness Book with the best sold latin album: 
Supernatural, 14 million
it is only beaten by the best sold Country album: some Shane Twain, 18 million.

Pink Floyd is not there :-(

Nusrath sings on 120 albums

Cage is there with the composition with the least notes %-/
Why dont you record a CD, sell one to your mother and enter the 
Guiness with the least sold record? :-)

and a lot of gigantism like 1000 cellos and so on...

but:
who composed the most?
releast the most albums?
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On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 08:26 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:

> If you are smart, you can adapt the clock frequency to create a tap 
> tempo!

if someone could make this happen in a pedal and make it close to 1 sec 
delay, i'd buy it in a minute!

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Hehe- yes- that's probably why they are fast becoming .pdf format!

I'm sure in time I will really know the EDP well and it will be pretty
natural to feel what I want and just do it- just takes time to learn like
any instrument-

Cliff


> So we have to create a lot of parameters to leave every musician at
> ease and then all complain about the thick manual...
>
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Yup.  I have this problem with my Dell Inspiron laptop, which I tooled
around with as a sampler, and with Live, for a while.  Had to either run on
batteries (no good), or use a ground lifting plug on the power cable to get
the 60 cycle hum to go away.

By the way - this is a known problem with Dell laptops.  Dell support folks
don't like to admit it tho.

Doug
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Bolan [mailto:pbolan@csiconstruction.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:44 PM
> To: m.lameyer@verizon.net
> Subject: RE: Speaking of hum and/or noise ... (was RE: FCB 1010)
>
>
> I have found that my DELL CPX laptop will cause considerable noise on
> audio channels when it PLUGGED into the wall via an AC Adaptor.  If it
> runs on batteries it's much much quieter.
>
> When I perform, I make sure it's just running on batteries.
>
> That may help....?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 2:28 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Speaking of hum and/or noise ... (was RE: FCB 1010)
>
> I discovered recently, much to my chagrin, that while my motu midi
> timepeice
> was connected to my laptop via USB, WHILE the MTP was OFF (but devices
> connected to the MTP via MIDI cables were ON and patched into my mixer),
> resulted in my harddrive's activity being audible through my monitors!
> :-(  And no, my laptop was not patched into any other equipment by any
> other
> means (audio or otherswise, except maybe the same wall outlet).  When I
> removed the USB cable, the noise stopped immediately, and the noise
> through
> the monitors precisely coincided with physically audible hard drive
> activity.
>
> [Laptop]<--USB-->[MTP(OFF)]<--MIDI-->[audio
> gear]--AUDIO-->[Mixer]--AUDIO-->[Monitors] = hard drive activity
> noise!!!
>
> Yucky.
>
> Mike
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:11 PM
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> > Subject: Re: FCB 1010
> >
> >
> > --- Clifford Novey  wrote:
> > > Note:
> > >
> > > Keep the FCB1010 away from wah pedals etc- it will
> > > induce some serious hum.
> > > Pick it up and move it around and listen to the
> > > results. I discovered this
> > > recently.
> >
> > could be from your midi cable.  i've heard that having
> > sound wires newar midi wires creates frequency
> > crossovers and hence unwanted noise.
> >
> > ~e
>

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I just like just pushing the buttons and turning the knobs and stuff
whenever I want to see what they do.  And in between that it helps a lot to
play and listen.

Oh ... and then I read the manual whenever I'm wondering about what's in it.

Hope this helps,

Mike

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hey guys,
i'm new to this, just got a line 6 DL4 the other day. i'm a pretty good
guitar player and musician but i'm still learning to make good loops.  any
basic tips?  i'm looking for a rock type thing like howie day does only more
rock and roll based.  im into the stones, zeppelin, all that classic rock,
if that helps.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:27 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Guiness Records
> 
> 
> remember that discussion about the sucess of Santana?
> he figures in the Guiness Book with the best sold latin album: 
> Supernatural, 14 million
> it is only beaten by the best sold Country album: some Shane 
> Twain, 18 million.
> 
> Pink Floyd is not there :-(

Please don't tell me it's Milli Vinilli.

> Nusrath sings on 120 albums
> 
> Cage is there with the composition with the least notes %-/
> Why dont you record a CD, sell one to your mother and enter the 
> Guiness with the least sold record? :-)
> 
> and a lot of gigantism like 1000 cellos and so on...
> 
> but:
> who composed the most?
> releast the most albums?
> -- 

remembers the names of the most groupies?  Sorry ...

>           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
> 

Mike

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richard and fellow repeater users...

> - Is there any way to have the inputs on the
> repeater
> have unique track ownership?
>
 
> hi evan - just wondering if you could input one of
> the instruments through 
> the returns 3&4 (the other instrument plugged in
> normally), then use the 
> fx>insert and resample options to capture new loops
> this way

interesting though, but wouldn't this still record
both instruments?  it would definately give me the
option of dropping out one instrument to create a
quick sample/loop, but ideally i'd like to have both
instruments working independently through the
repeater...or better yet, send one through with a
buypass so one instrument is captured when i record
and the other just continues playing.  i'd also like
to be able to do this without having to drop out the
filter factory i have running into the repeater.

.....i.e. 
> instead of mixing down an existing loop, it creates
> a completely new sample 
> from the fx returns. 

right, but when you create a loop while the effects
are on your live input, the loop is recorded with the
effects.  you cannot record while effects are on
without having the effects recorded as well.

you might need a 'silent' track
> to mix down initially 
> though......

i could do that muting tracks by panning as well...

> not sure if this makes sense, i'll try
> it myself & if there is 
> any substance to it i'll let u know.
>

please do, you have some interesting ideas and i feel
that without a mixing board, i'm going to need to
devise a macguyver-esque technique to accomplish what
i'm trying to do.
 
thanks for the input!
~ e
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> - Is there any way to have the inputs on the repeater
> have unique track ownership? 

     The closest thing I can think of is to record in stereo with different instruments going to
different channels, but this doesn't get at what you want to do.  So the answer is no...

     Stop being a wimp and get yourself a mixer :)  You can pick up a new one from Behringer for
about $50 that will do everything you are asking for.


> - Has anyone had problems with the dry mute feature? 
> I can't seem to dry mute my signal so that only my
> effected signal is audible.  Is it because I am
> passing my original signal back into the rptr?  I have
> the wet/dry ratio set for 100% wet...but I can always
> still hear  my original signal for certain tones.

     To turn dry mute on, press stop and overdub at the same time.  Then the Repeater will only
pass the loop and not the original signal.  You have to do this every time you power up, the
Repeater does not remember the last mute setting.


> - General gear question - I have my repeater and a
> filter factory in an skb case.   To save time on
> packup and setup, i tend to keep both units plugged
> into a power strip/surge protector and carefully wrap
> the wires neatly and rest them in the case  for
> travel.  With the near impossibility of getting either
> of these units fixed or parts replaced if something
> goes wrong...

     Where did you get that idea?  Condor Electronics in Seattle is the authorized repair shop for
all things Electrix.  I am a good friend of the owner and they certainly aren't going out of
business anytime soon.  Electrix is even honoring all warrantee claims on their gear.


> i'm beginning to think that it may be a
> better idea to take the additional few minutes to
> unplug everything.  I am careful to not bend the ends
> of the power adapters and do not put any tension on
> them when i wrap them, but does anyone know for sure
> if doing something like this will really hurt my power
> adapters over time?

     I wouldn't worry about unplugging stuff, your gear is susceptable to going T.U. on you if you
drop it or expose it to water or extremes of temperature.  Keeping the gear in a SKB case is good
enough protection.

     Happy looping,

           SVG








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> > - Is there any way to have the inputs on the
> repeater
> > have unique track ownership? 
> 
>      The closest thing I can think of is to record
> in stereo with different instruments going to
> different channels, but this doesn't get at what you
> want to do.  So the answer is no...
> 

bummer.  that's what i thought.

>      Stop being a wimp and get yourself a mixer :) 
> You can pick up a new one from Behringer for
> about $50 that will do everything you are asking
> for.
>

i know, i know...but i was hoping to be able to do
everything in 'the now' and also not have to walk
around with more gear (although, i DO love gear).
 
>      To turn dry mute on, press stop and overdub at
> the same time.  Then the Repeater will only
> pass the loop and not the original signal.  

that's what i've been doing, but when sending my bass
into a filter factory and messing with the frequency
with an expression pedal on my fcb1010, i can always
still hear my original signal...the lower the tone i
use, the more clear the origianl note is.

thanks for the tips...
~ e
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> I thought of exactly the solution you already programmed, it seems: 
> if the delay is extended to exactly the length of a loop, we do not 
> answer correctly to the immediate playing but at least build on the 
> loop together.

Yes, in practice it seemed to work pretty well.
The biggest problems are usually just getting things set up
(a phone call in parallel with the network connection helps
a lot), and making sure that the sounds are the
same on both sides (for which General MIDI synth patches help).

A "shared drum pattern editor" is another style of interface
for networked music creation, but using live MIDI input
is a fair bit more challenging/interesting.

> But how do you detect the correct delay correction 
> since the delay over the net is not constant?

It's not delay correction as much as re-sychronization.
The information sent across the wire is time-tagged data
in the time-frame of the sender.  The receiver takes this,
adds an amount of time that is (in normal situations)
greater than the greatest possible network delay, and then 
re-synchronizes the start time of the phrase to the 
clock of the receiver.  One key to making this work with a minimum
of total delay is to process the data in small chunks (say, one or
two beats).  You need to be reading MIDI input, playing MIDI output,
reading TCP/IP input, and writing TCP/IP output, all in parallel.
Some languages make that easier than others :-).

> So maybe the first net-concert that will groove well will be a 
> loopers meeting? :-)

A few years ago, I started a small mailing list (radiated-music)
of people interested in this type of thing, but due to the 
limited response and prerequisites for using my application,
I lost interest after my initial demonstration and network jam
with a friend.   If anyone encounters a situation where 
demonstrating this kind of networked music would be appropriate
(e.g. a looping event at which a network would be available),
I'd be interested to hear about it.

    ...Tim...


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I use it, it's great.

Especially if you use other looping plugins within it e.g. mdaLooplex

os.

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> Is anyone using LIVE for loop playbacks? I see some of the laptop DJ's
here
> in NYC using them but I'm not sure if there are using thier 'own'
sounds...I
> think it uses wav files ???
>
> Thanks
> LOU
>
>
>
> >From: "link" 
> >Reply-To: "link" 
> >To: <>
> >Subject: new loop remix software
> >Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:39:22 +0100
> >
> >www.devine-machine.com
> >
> >I'm sure u will all like it :)
> >
> >Link
>
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The one problem i still have with the repeater is
muting tracks.With my FCB 1010 i have no way of
knowing the state of the tracks since the fcb 1010
doesn´t have a momentary mode.So sometimes i record
something and i don´t hear the output until i start
tapping the buttons to see which one is muted or not.
This is of course live murder!
Any of you guys doing track muting via the fcb 1010
live? Can this be done manually?
Any tips?
L.a




> Hello loopaz...
> 
> Few quick questions about the repeater...
> 
> - Is there any way to have the inputs on the
> repeater
> have unique track ownership?  I ask because I want
> to
> be able to have multiple musicians going through the
> repeater all playing simultaneously...but only
> record
> certain instruments while allowing the others to
> just
> pass through (is there a buypass for tracks on the
> repeater?).  Basically, I'm working with bass and
> turntables and I want to be able to record certain
> drum hits and samples from the tables while grooving
> on the bass but when I record, I only want to record
> the tables and not the bass, but also have the
> ability
> to record the bass without the tables.  I've tried
> playing with panning the tracks and using stereo
> outs,
> but haven't been able to accomplish this yet.  I
> know
> I can do it if I send everything through a mixer,
> but
> unfortunately, I am missing the crucial piece...the
> mixing board!
> 
> - Has anyone had problems with the dry mute feature?
> 
> I can't seem to dry mute my signal so that only my
> effected signal is audible.  Is it because I am
> passing my original signal back into the rptr?  I
> have
> the wet/dry ratio set for 100% wet...but I can
> always
> still hear  my original signal for certain tones.
> 
> - General gear question - I have my repeater and a
> filter factory in an skb case.   To save time on
> packup and setup, i tend to keep both units plugged
> into a power strip/surge protector and carefully
> wrap
> the wires neatly and rest them in the case  for
> travel.  With the near impossibility of getting
> either
> of these units fixed or parts replaced if something
> goes wrong...i'm beginning to think that it may be a
> better idea to take the additional few minutes to
> unplug everything.  I am careful to not bend the
> ends
> of the power adapters and do not put any tension on
> them when i wrap them, but does anyone know for sure
> if doing something like this will really hurt my
> power
> adapters over time?
> 
> keep on looping...
> 
> peace and bass...~e
> evanmeyers@yahoo.com
> 
> 
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Hello Louie,

> Any of you guys doing track muting via the fcb 1010
> live? Can this be done manually?
> Any tips?

i do a lot of volume changes using the fcb1010 and my
repeater in a live context and i've found a few little
tricks to help get by...

- if you are only controlling the repeater with the
fcb1010 then assign both expression pedals to the
repeater's channel and play around with different
configurations of tracks and volumes.  you may want 2
tracks per footswitch or you may want to make one
volume and another feedback level...depends on what
your live music is like.  it is always best to program
the pedal for you specific needs.  i have some banks
that are programmed for general use and then other
banks that are created for specific techniques i use.
- i program a few 'reset' buttons for things like
pitch shift and volume where when you press them it
resets everything normal so that you don't have any
unexpected problems between loops.
- when all else fails, go to the repeater unit and
slide the faders.  i'm pretty sure that the sliders
will override any and all midi commands (but i may be
mistaken) or you can always reboot...

good luck.  let the list know what you find works
best.

peace and bass,
~ e va n
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After organizing eight Boston Looper Collective shows from 1998 to 2001 =
(my continuing thanks to the generosity of ross hamlin & his much missed =
open faucet organization), I'm glad to say a new team has pulled =
together a new Boston-area series dedicated to music built around live =
"looping" performances.

Please come check out the freeqiness.

BLC "alumni" Jonathan Wobesky (trumpet) and Jonathan LaMaster (violin) =
will be among the crew featured in this two night series at The =
Zeitgeist Gallery.   Peter Koniuto will be again adding his sonic =
balancing factors behind the soundboard and recording the evening's =
proceedings.  I'll be undoing on Friday.=20

The Zeitgeist Gallery - 1353 Cambridge Street, Inman Square, Cambridge =
-- Phone: 617-876-6060.

Thursday January 30 - show begins at 7:30

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Friday January 31 -  show begins at 7:30

 early      UNDO / David Kirkdorffer
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               Notnoise vs. Repeatpeak=20
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As always, bringing your consciousness however you will, is encouraged.

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> Hi,
> how stable are the SKBs or are there better
> alternatives to floor pedal boards?
> L.a

I thought about getting a pre-made pedal board, but none of the ones I
looked at (the non-custom versions) were big enough for all these pedals.

I just took a piece of shelf wood from Lowe's, cut it down to the right
size, and stuck the pedals on it with Velcro. It was necessary to use super
glue the Velcro onto the pedals and board, because the Velcro sticks to
itself way better than its adhesive sticks to the wood or pedals. I bought
an Axman keyboard gig bag to carry the pedalboard around in.

Mark Smart


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>> are there better alternatives to floor pedal boards?

If anybody is looking to buy a pedalboard system, I highly suggest that you
check out NGM Pedalboards

http://www.austintx.net/dexter/ngm/

I bought one over a year ago and have been ~totally~ happy with it. It's
sturdy like a road case and uses quality latches. I purchased a power strip
with 8 spaced outlets from Black Box to mount in the storage compartment so
I can swap out wall warts as needed if I change pedals. Also, I custom wired
it using George Ls cables.

I got the "standard size" and I can fit a Line-6 DL4, Line 6 MM4, Pearl
Phaser, Pearl Flanger, Electro Harmonix Bass Synthesizser, Lovetone
Meatball, Akai Headrush, EBS Bass Octave, & Moogerfooger Ring Modulator in
it. The standard shelf width they install fits Line 6 pedals perfectly as
you can see from the pics on their site.

The great part is that it was one of the few pedalboard systems where the
lid pops off and the pedals mount to the bottom. Instant set-up.



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--- Mark Smart  wrote:
>...and stuck the pedals on it with Velcro. It was
> necessary to use super
> glue the Velcro onto the pedals and board...

I've found that if you carpet the entire board and use
the 'hook' part of the velcro on the pedals, you can
then reposition the pedals at will if you
expand/replace/rework your setup. I use automotive
carpet (about $8 for a 6' x 3' roll in black, gray or
beige at WalMart) and attach it with brush-on contact
cement and heavy duty staples.

-t-

ps: for more pedalboard-related stuff, come on over to
the new pedalboards group at

We had 39 folks sign up the first day!

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At 9:13 PM -0800 1/27/03, Tim Thompson wrote:

>...what the application does is actually *add* delay and 
>resynchronize things to a 4-beat pattern.  What I hear during a 
>given 4-beat pattern is what the other person played in response to 
>what I played in the 4-beat pattern that ended a few beats previous

Dean Jacobs developed a similar system in Max, circa 1995.

I witnessed or participated in a number of networked performances in 
those days, transmitting MIDI, audio, and video via an assortment of 
connections. In most cases the MIDI data were sent via POTS lines, 
sometimes land lines and sometimes via satellite. Delays could be 
extreme, but the performers adapted. Terry Riley was particularly 
good at this, having decades of experience playing with delay 
systems. Dean's offset looping system was an ingenious solution to 
the problem.


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>I find that very expressive music can be made with relatively few 
>parameters.  Clavier instruments are very good examples of this. One is 
>talking through mechanical or electrical proxies to the sound production 
>means. Simple parameters can interact in complex and sometimes unexpected 
>ways.

sure, melodies and rhythms are expresive and dont depend on sound, but when 
we talk about the expression of instruments here, its probably mosty through 
the sound.

>I think the very important (and often missed) part is to remember that the 
>interface is BIDIRECTIONAL.  It's important to be aware of your 
>instrument's reactions.  That's why, even though your piano is reacting to 
>some pedal states and hammer rates (the rebound of which is controlled by 
>the mechanism) -- you can HEAR when someone is playing with the weight of 
>their arms or the muscles of their fingers (like a harsichord player on a 
>piano).

yes, thats the kind of expression I was thinking of: The sound reminds of a 
movement which reminds of a feeling.


Excellent observations

I find the link between "musical dynamics" (melodic motion, harmonic 
tension, rhythmic propulsion) and "sonic motion" (changes in timbre, volume, 
etc) really fascinating.
how one can sort of (but not completely) translate between the 2.

Good examples of this might be how ornatments are used in, say, harpsichord 
to add emphasis.  Since the harpsichord does not have much dynamic control 
at all, the motion of the ornament provides a "sense" of motion/ tension 
(even thought it doesn't have much if any melodic/harmonic/rhythmic 
function)OR on the other end of the spectrum...one can vary a drone in sonic 
ways (timbre/volume, etc) to modulate "intensity".
Ever listen to changes in the timbre of a drone and hear an implied melody?




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I wouldn't put too much faith in anything that's
listed in the Guinness Book. They Kenny G as
having performed the single longest sustained
note on a wind instrument, at something like 38
minutes. It's a well known fact that back in the
early 70's, Rahsaan Roland Kirk performed a
concert in London where he sustained at a note
for just over 2 hours. The Guinness people were
there, but for one reason or another, refused to
recongize Kirk's achievement. 

As for best selling album, I believe I read that
The Eagles Greatest Hits is now the best selling
album of all time. I believe Dark Side Of The
Moon is still the longest charting album of all
time (was on the charts for something like 17
years before Billboard retired it, reputedly). 

I really don't keep track of these things. What
the biggest selling album of time is really an
irrelevent matter to me. 

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 > > Any of you guys doing track muting via the fcb 1010
> > live? Can this be done manually?
> > Any tips?

> Från: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com]
> 
> - if you are only controlling the repeater with the
> fcb1010 then assign both expression pedals to the
> repeater's channel and play around with different 
> configurations of tracks and volumes.  you may want 2 tracks 
> per footswitch or you may want to make one volume and another 
> feedback level...depends on what your live music is like.  it 

In one FCB bank I have programmed four buttons to (1) select a Repeater
track (record enable it) and (2) setting up one expression pedal to send
volume data for that specific track. To me this is very intuitive; if
I'm playing and suddenly realize that track 3 is too loud, then I only
have to step on button 3 and change the volume with the pedal. I have
calibrated the pedals to have them go from "mute" to full volume
(expression pedal 2 is not availble for me as I use it for the EDP).

Whenever I press the record button on my FCB it will as well set up that
same  expression pedal for "feedback". With the Repeater feedback is
global and only active in recording mode for the track that you are
recording to (which is not the case with the EDP).

Best wishes

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Hi Evan,
thanks for the tip the problem is that i have the
second expression pedal to the EDP so i might get an
xtra one to do what you are saying.But i like to stop
a track abruptly and trigger it back like a sampler
but unfortunately it can´t be done on the front
panel.I do enjoy unding and redoing for a "quick on
the fly arrangement"
cheers
L.a
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--- Evan Meyers  wrote:
> Hello Louie,
> 
> > Any of you guys doing track muting via the fcb
> 1010
> > live? Can this be done manually?
> > Any tips?
> 
> i do a lot of volume changes using the fcb1010 and
> my
> repeater in a live context and i've found a few
> little
> tricks to help get by...
> 
> - if you are only controlling the repeater with the
> fcb1010 then assign both expression pedals to the
> repeater's channel and play around with different
> configurations of tracks and volumes.  you may want
> 2
> tracks per footswitch or you may want to make one
> volume and another feedback level...depends on what
> your live music is like.  it is always best to
> program
> the pedal for you specific needs.  i have some banks
> that are programmed for general use and then other
> banks that are created for specific techniques i
> use.
> - i program a few 'reset' buttons for things like
> pitch shift and volume where when you press them it
> resets everything normal so that you don't have any
> unexpected problems between loops.
> - when all else fails, go to the repeater unit and
> slide the faders.  i'm pretty sure that the sliders
> will override any and all midi commands (but i may
> be
> mistaken) or you can always reboot...
> 
> good luck.  let the list know what you find works
> best.
> 
> peace and bass,
> ~ e va n
> evanmeyers@yahoo.com
> 
> 
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Per excellent tips brother you are getting closer to
the answers!
Yes, i find setting the levels very tricky; for
example when i have all 4 tracks full and want to solo
on top of them my instrument volume is lower than the
looping tracks.So what i ve done is set one track with
a higher cc value so i when i input my  instrument
through it ill have a louder level. I set tracks 1,2,3
with a cc 0-64 and 4(the reserved solo track) with
with a cc0-127.
I still want to program the resampling option and
other commands but controlling volume controls wahs
and midi comands of the repeater, roland,echo pro and
EDP i am running out of pathces!
And no,i don´t want to get a second midi pedal...:-((







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>  > > Any of you guys doing track muting via the fcb
> 1010
> > > live? Can this be done manually?
> > > Any tips?
> 
> > Från: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com]
> > 
> > - if you are only controlling the repeater with
> the
> > fcb1010 then assign both expression pedals to the
> > repeater's channel and play around with different 
> > configurations of tracks and volumes.  you may
> want 2 tracks 
> > per footswitch or you may want to make one volume
> and another 
> > feedback level...depends on what your live music
> is like.  it 
> 
> In one FCB bank I have programmed four buttons to
> (1) select a Repeater
> track (record enable it) and (2) setting up one
> expression pedal to send
> volume data for that specific track. To me this is
> very intuitive; if
> I'm playing and suddenly realize that track 3 is too
> loud, then I only
> have to step on button 3 and change the volume with
> the pedal. I have
> calibrated the pedals to have them go from "mute" to
> full volume
> (expression pedal 2 is not availble for me as I use
> it for the EDP).
> 
> Whenever I press the record button on my FCB it will
> as well set up that
> same  expression pedal for "feedback". With the
> Repeater feedback is
> global and only active in recording mode for the
> track that you are
> recording to (which is not the case with the EDP).
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Per Boysen
> ________________
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yeah, i've cleaned all of the tape path w/alcohol (except the rubber bits of 
course). i can't see anything obviously out of alignment and the rubber on 
the rollers appears smooth.

>
>did you clean capstan and roller? Put it to play without tape and slowly 
>pass the finger nail along the capstan, you can feel whether its all smoth 
>and go on until it is. Similarely for the roller. Or use some alkohol...

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skb are cheap. i've had 2 skb cases fall apart.

jg


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> > Hi,
> > how stable are the SKBs or are there better
> > alternatives to floor pedal boards?
> > L.a
>
> I thought about getting a pre-made pedal board, but none of the ones I
> looked at (the non-custom versions) were big enough for all these pedals.
>
> I just took a piece of shelf wood from Lowe's, cut it down to the right
> size, and stuck the pedals on it with Velcro. It was necessary to use
super
> glue the Velcro onto the pedals and board, because the Velcro sticks to
> itself way better than its adhesive sticks to the wood or pedals. I bought
> an Axman keyboard gig bag to carry the pedalboard around in.
>
> Mark Smart
>
>
>

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> Yes, i find setting the levels very tricky; 

to me, it really seems like a bunch of trial and
error.  the wonderful thing about midi is the amount
of control it allows, the only bad part is that you
really do need to fully customize everything to suite
your exact musical needs (although i guess that's good
because you can't fall back on the ol' use the presets
for now and customize when i find the time excuse).

> looping tracks.So what i ve done is set one track
> with
> a higher cc value so i when i input my  instrument
> through it ill have a louder level. I set tracks
> 1,2,3
> with a cc 0-64 and 4(the reserved solo track) with
> with a cc0-127.

that's the idea.  experimenting is the key...

> I still want to program the resampling option and
> other commands but controlling volume controls wahs
> and midi comands of the repeater, roland,echo pro
> and
> EDP i am running out of pathces!

and to do full resets with all of that gear going
through one board would require several patches since
you are already sharing most of your pcs and ccs (or
so i imagine) for each preset.

> And no,i don´t want to get a second midi
> pedal...:-((
>

oh well, there goes that idea...although if you really
are feeling limitted by sending data to all that gear,
you might want to consider it.  the fcb1010 is going
for about $125 in stores and you can probably nab one
on ebay for a much lower price if you are patient and
don't mind a few scuffs on the board.
 



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> In one FCB bank I have programmed four buttons to
> (1) select a Repeater
> track (record enable it) and (2) setting up one
> expression pedal to send
> volume data for that specific track. To me this is
> very intuitive; 

i'm only running 2 pieces of gear through my fcb1010
and what i do to prevent mistakes live is keep certain
patches identical for all banks (things like record,
play, stop, undo, and track select).  it definitely
limits you...but you can always accomplish the same
goal by running the fcb1010 through your gear and
adding on an digitech fs300 or comprable switch to the
footswitch input on the rptr.  this way your main
commands are accessable always and you free up your
fcb1010 to focus on other gear and functions.  i used
both at the same time while experimenting with the
turn table/bass idea.  i used the fcb and the dj used
the footswitch so this way we both had access to the
rptrs basic functions.

peace and bass...
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He didn't last long . . .
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find that very expressive music can be made with relatively few parameters.  
Clavier instruments are very good examples of this. One is talking through 
mechanical or electrical proxies to the sound production means. Simple 
parameters can interact in complex and sometimes unexpected ways.


sure, melodies and rhythms are expresive and dont depend on sound, but when 
we talk about the expression of instruments here, its probably mosty through 
the sound

----

Here' I'm actually taking about the sound.  I think the neat think is that 
even with a parametric instrument like piano, you can control sounds through 
rates (you basically have hammer velocity and a release event, plus some 
global pedal control).
The time slices are of a finer scale than rhythm, the expressive velocities 
are of finer resolution than noted dynamics.
Even though depressing a piano key is discreetly parametric (you send a 
hammer event at a velocity).  This event affects the timbre of the string as 
well as simply the volume.  The player then gets to decide how long to let 
the overtones "bloom".
There are also options such as how long you let slurs interact, the slur 
itself may be a somewhat melodic expression, but how you let the sounds 
interact (relative volumes) can affect things sonically.


Pipe organs are even crazier...The pipes cross-talk so that depending on 
what you play, the sound changes (we're not simply talking about 
inter-modulation in the ambient here).  This cross-talk is SO STRONG that 
the intonation of the pipes change depending on what each pipe "hears".  In 
the pipe organ, we have a machine with simple parametric inputs, but the 
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this aspect of the fcb1010 also drives me crazy, louie, but I just am very,
very careful
and at the start of any gig (if I am using the footpedals) I run a loop in
all four channels to test it out.

Now another work around that I thought up just this instant but haven't even
tried is
to just create a boot patch in your CFC card that has all tracks unmuted
with no information in them..........is that possible.

no time to check it out,  the last gig of the LOOP TRIO TOUR is tonight with
Michael Manring and my brother Bill Walker sitting in........I"m really
excited about it.
When the tour is over I go into serious program the fcb1010 to control the
EDP mode...........whew!!!!!  here I come................LOL

yours, Rick Walker







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> The one problem i still have with the repeater is
> muting tracks.With my FCB 1010 i have no way of
> knowing the state of the tracks since the fcb 1010
> doesn´t have a momentary mode.So sometimes i record
> something and i don´t hear the output until i start
> tapping the buttons to see which one is muted or not.
> This is of course live murder!
> Any of you guys doing track muting via the fcb 1010
> live? Can this be done manually?
> Any tips?
> L.a
>
>
>
>
> > Hello loopaz...
> >
> > Few quick questions about the repeater...
> >
> > - Is there any way to have the inputs on the
> > repeater
> > have unique track ownership?  I ask because I want
> > to
> > be able to have multiple musicians going through the
> > repeater all playing simultaneously...but only
> > record
> > certain instruments while allowing the others to
> > just
> > pass through (is there a buypass for tracks on the
> > repeater?).  Basically, I'm working with bass and
> > turntables and I want to be able to record certain
> > drum hits and samples from the tables while grooving
> > on the bass but when I record, I only want to record
> > the tables and not the bass, but also have the
> > ability
> > to record the bass without the tables.  I've tried
> > playing with panning the tracks and using stereo
> > outs,
> > but haven't been able to accomplish this yet.  I
> > know
> > I can do it if I send everything through a mixer,
> > but
> > unfortunately, I am missing the crucial piece...the
> > mixing board!
> >
> > - Has anyone had problems with the dry mute feature?
> >
> > I can't seem to dry mute my signal so that only my
> > effected signal is audible.  Is it because I am
> > passing my original signal back into the rptr?  I
> > have
> > the wet/dry ratio set for 100% wet...but I can
> > always
> > still hear  my original signal for certain tones.
> >
> > - General gear question - I have my repeater and a
> > filter factory in an skb case.   To save time on
> > packup and setup, i tend to keep both units plugged
> > into a power strip/surge protector and carefully
> > wrap
> > the wires neatly and rest them in the case  for
> > travel.  With the near impossibility of getting
> > either
> > of these units fixed or parts replaced if something
> > goes wrong...i'm beginning to think that it may be a
> > better idea to take the additional few minutes to
> > unplug everything.  I am careful to not bend the
> > ends
> > of the power adapters and do not put any tension on
> > them when i wrap them, but does anyone know for sure
> > if doing something like this will really hurt my
> > power
> > adapters over time?
> >
> > keep on looping...
> >
> > peace and bass...~e
> > evanmeyers@yahoo.com
> >
> >
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--- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL"  wrote:
> this aspect of the fcb1010 also drives me crazy,
> louie, but I just am very,
> very careful
> and at the start of any gig (if I am using the
> footpedals) I run a loop in
> all four channels to test it out.
> 
> Now another work around that I thought up just this
> instant but haven't even
> tried is
> to just create a boot patch in your CFC card that
> has all tracks unmuted
> with no information in them..........is that
> possible.
> 
> no time to check it out,  the last gig of the LOOP
> TRIO TOUR is tonight with
> Michael Manring and my brother Bill Walker sitting
> in........I"m really
> excited about it.
> When the tour is over I go into serious program the
> fcb1010 to control the
> EDP mode...........whew!!!!!  here I
> come................LOL
> 
> yours, Rick Walker
> 
Hi Rick,
there has been times when i turn my equipment on and
when i start a loop the loops come out in a different
pitch mode,hows that for a surprise!
Yes, i am going to start running a through test before
i start the gig somehow i don´t trust my mischevious
Repeater
But i love it!
L.a



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ok. I dont think that the alc harms rubber

>yeah, i've cleaned all of the tape path w/alcohol (except the rubber 
>bits of course). i can't see anything obviously out of alignment and 
>the rubber on the rollers appears smooth.
>
>>
>>did you clean capstan and roller? Put it to play without tape and 
>>slowly pass the finger nail along the capstan, you can feel whether 
>>its all smoth and go on until it is. Similarely for the roller. Or 
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I'm certainly no expert on these matters but.....

One note for 38 minutes....not likely.
Eagle's GH the best selling of all time. Nope.

Dark Side of the Moon, I don't know about 17
years....but yes, it was a VERY long time.

Sempai
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> I wouldn't put too much faith in anything that's
> listed in the Guinness Book. They Kenny G as
> having performed the single longest sustained
> note on a wind instrument, at something like 38
> minutes. It's a well known fact that back in the
> early 70's, Rahsaan Roland Kirk performed a
> concert in London where he sustained at a note
> for just over 2 hours. The Guinness people were
> there, but for one reason or another, refused to
> recongize Kirk's achievement.
>
> As for best selling album, I believe I read that
> The Eagles Greatest Hits is now the best selling
> album of all time. I believe Dark Side Of The
> Moon is still the longest charting album of all
> time (was on the charts for something like 17
> years before Billboard retired it, reputedly).
>
> I really don't keep track of these things. What
> the biggest selling album of time is really an
> irrelevent matter to me.
>
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> Now another work around that I thought up just this
> instant but haven't even
> tried is
> to just create a boot patch in your CFC card that
> has all tracks unmuted
> with no information in them..........is that
> possible.
> 

interesting idea.  has anyone tried this and had
success?

> no time to check it out,  the last gig of the LOOP
> TRIO TOUR is tonight with
> Michael Manring and my brother Bill Walker sitting
> in........I"m really
> excited about it.

how bout some east coast love on these loop tours?

peace and bass...
~ e va n
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For those of you who aren't saxophone players, one continuous note for
an indefinite period of time IS POSSIBLE.

It's called circular breathing, and it's a very difficult and advanced
technique.  I'm a proficient sax player, but circular breathing beyond
me.

Patrick

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I'm certainly no expert on these matters but.....

One note for 38 minutes....not likely.
Eagle's GH the best selling of all time. Nope.

Dark Side of the Moon, I don't know about 17
years....but yes, it was a VERY long time.

Sempai
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> I wouldn't put too much faith in anything that's
> listed in the Guinness Book. They Kenny G as
> having performed the single longest sustained
> note on a wind instrument, at something like 38
> minutes. It's a well known fact that back in the
> early 70's, Rahsaan Roland Kirk performed a
> concert in London where he sustained at a note
> for just over 2 hours. The Guinness people were
> there, but for one reason or another, refused to
> recongize Kirk's achievement.
>
> As for best selling album, I believe I read that
> The Eagles Greatest Hits is now the best selling
> album of all time. I believe Dark Side Of The
> Moon is still the longest charting album of all
> time (was on the charts for something like 17
> years before Billboard retired it, reputedly).
>
> I really don't keep track of these things. What
> the biggest selling album of time is really an
> irrelevent matter to me.
>
> =====
> May you never thirst!
> The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
>
> "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James
Earl Jones
>
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I had recently heard that the book was put out by Guinness beer (at least 
originally) to settle weird pub wages and such

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--- Louie Angulo  wrote:

> there has been times when i turn my equipment on and
> when i start a loop the loops come out in a different
> pitch mode,hows that for a surprise!

I have one of the pedals on the Fcb1010 programmed to send pitch change for the
currently selected Repeater track. I don't use it all the time, and use that
pedal to control feedback in another patch, so it gets left in odd places.
Sometimes the pedal moves a little bit (like if the board gets bumped or
something) and sends a pitch change to the Repeater to whereever the pedal
happens to be currently sitting. Kind of disconcerting when you're not expecting
it.

> Yes, i am going to start running a through test before
> i start the gig somehow i don´t trust my mischevious
> Repeater

Someone else on here said awhile back that they had programmed a preset or two on
their midi controller to set their Repeater to some known state, like a Reset
button or something. Seems like a good idea, since you can get it in all kinds of
weird states sending midi commands that you can't readily see have happened from
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Louie Angulo wrote:

> --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL"  wrote:
> > this aspect of the fcb1010 also drives me crazy,
> > louie, but I just am very,
> > very careful
> > and at the start of any gig (if I am using the
> > footpedals) I run a loop in
> > all four channels to test it out.
> >
> > Now another work around that I thought up just this
> > instant but haven't even
> > tried is
> > to just create a boot patch in your CFC card that
> > has all tracks unmuted
> > with no information in them..........is that
> > possible.
> >
> > no time to check it out,  the last gig of the LOOP
> > TRIO TOUR is tonight with
> > Michael Manring and my brother Bill Walker sitting
> > in........I"m really
> > excited about it.
> > When the tour is over I go into serious program the
> > fcb1010 to control the
> > EDP mode...........whew!!!!!  here I
> > come................LOL
> >
> > yours, Rick Walker
> >
> Hi Rick,
> there has been times when i turn my equipment on and
> when i start a loop the loops come out in a different
> pitch mode,hows that for a surprise!
> Yes, i am going to start running a through test before
> i start the gig somehow i don´t trust my mischevious
> Repeater
> But i love it!
> L.a
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I was considering buying an EDP.  It seems like many people are using
the fcb1010 to control it.  Are you using it instead of the Gibson pedal
that is made for it?

Thanks,
John


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didn't michael jackson's "thriller" sell something like 49 million copies...

talk about wasting bandwidth...

-jim


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> Someone else on here said awhile back that they had
> programmed a preset or two on
> their midi controller to set their Repeater to some
> known state, like a Reset
> button or something. Seems like a good idea, since
> you can get it in all kinds of
> weird states sending midi commands that you can't
> readily see have happened from
> the front panel (or the midi controller).
> 
> Greg

Yes, i am going to start looking into this!
Cheers
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> Even though depressing a piano key is discreetly parametric (you send a 
>  hammer event at a velocity).  This event affects the timbre of the string 
as 
>  well as simply the volume.  The player then gets to decide how long to let 
>  the overtones "bloom".

I noticed that when you hit a piano note for the second time
while holding the sus pedal down there's a very different sound.
a lot brighter, because the hammer collides with the vibrations 
from another note.

Many classical pianists are credited with the ability to bring
out the different melodic strands in a polyphonic piece just
by control of the note volumes. (perhaps relevant to building up
polyphonic loops, usually I vary the tone for each layer, but maybe
its nice to use the exact same sound at a different volume level)  


>  Pipe organs are even crazier...The pipes cross-talk so that depending on 
>  what you play, the sound changes (we're not simply talking about 
>  inter-modulation in the ambient here).  This cross-talk is SO STRONG that 
>  the intonation of the pipes change 

........interesting
would that be more noticeable when a high pitched pipe is affected
by a low pitch one? 

andy butler

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> ok. I dont think that the alc harms rubber

eventually it makes it crack ( I've heard this many times,
and seen it with my own eyes)
always use water with a little detergent

andy

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(apologies for cross-posting)

Don't forget the Boston LoopFest January 2003 is happening
TONIGHT and TOMORROW NIGHT!!!

Eight looping acts over the two nights:
Shows will begin both nights at 7:30p.

W H E R E :

Zeitgeist Gallery
1363 Cambridge Street
Cambridge, MA
(right near the center of Inman Square)

There will be a suggested donation of $10 at the
door. [Not a soul will be turned away for lack of
funds.]


Please stop in either or both nights for and help support
the Boston looping community!

peter koniuto
______________________________
Creative Recordist - Composer
Red Sun Soundroom
Somerville, MA

617-591-9496 (ph)
617-790-0380 (fax)

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Okay I know u people r the looping experts so maybe someone could explain 
this.

When using my Echoplex digital pro version 5 software (one year old)
If I plug the input of the echoplex into my lexicon mpx100 or aux send of my 
guitar amp with the echoplex turn on then the feedback (set to maximium) 
refuses to hold the loop, however turning th edp off then on again its then 
fine.
The same problem occurs when turning my equipment on together if I have the 
lex or guitar amp connected to the EDP I have to make sure the EDP is turned 
on last.
Also repatching equipment to the EDP with the EDP on causes the feedback not 
to hold.
How on earth can this be????
All of the above happens when the only thing connections are to the input 
and output. How can pluging something into the input socket possibly effect 
the feedback of the unit???????
This random behaviour is extremely unnerving.
Any thoughts
Geoff





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sorry for the ot:
but i have a question: re: skb roto racks.

i bought a skb roto 4 space rack last year to house
my rack effects things, and was wondering what the
difference between roto racks vs regular skb rack cases?

i don't know, and was just wondering. i bought mine b/c it was
used/cheap, seems to work ok. but wondering what the difference was?
thanks,
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> I have one of the pedals on the Fcb1010 programmed to send 
> pitch change for the currently selected Repeater track. I 
> don't use it all the time, and use that pedal to control 
> feedback in another patch, so it gets left in odd places. 
> Sometimes the pedal moves a little bit (like if the board 
> gets bumped or
> something) and sends a pitch change to the Repeater to 
> whereever the pedal happens to be currently sitting. Kind of 
> disconcerting when you're not expecting it.
> 

it's disconcerting when you ARE expecting it, too.
it gets weird when you are controlling delay time as well.
i'm working on a solution to this very problem right now.
(with some help from jon wagner, thanks jon)

will let you guys know when i get it working.


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Hi there!

While lots of us post our own "gig spam" messages to the LD 
list from time to time (myself included on those rare occasions)
I thought it might be a useful service to the community to post 
a few upcoming gigs/tour schedules of somebody else's for a 
change of pace.

I was roaming the web and found the tour calendars for a couple
of fine loopers many of us already know about (but have seldom 
seen perform live out here on the "left" coast). My apologies for
them being of the "guitar slinger" variety. However, a chance to 
see a well known, professional looper in the wild (as it were) 
is sort of a rare one.

Bill Frisell (with Viktor Krauss & Kenny Wollesen)

05/06/03 -- Seattle, WA -- Experience Music Project
05/07/03 -- Portland, OR -- Portland Museum of Art
05/08/03 -- Oakland, CA -- Yoshi's
05/09/03 -- Oakland, CA -- Yoshi's
05/10/03 -- Oakland, CA -- Yoshi's
05/11/03 -- Oakland, CA -- Yoshi's
05/13/03 -- Eureka, CA -- Morris Graves Museum of Art

[Hint to Kim Flint: Bill's 4-day stay in Oakland might be a golden 
opportunity to evangelize him with the virtues of the EDP gospel.
Just a thought.]

Nels Cline (touring with various others)

02/01/03 -- Venice, CA -- Patricia Correia Gallery -- NC Solo
02/07/03 -- San Francisco, CA -- Yerba Buena Center For The Arts -- NC w/ 
ROVA Saxophone Quartet
02/08/03 -- San Francisco, CA -- Yerba Buena Center For The Arts -- NC w/ 
ROVA Saxophone Quartet
02/09/03 -- Downtown, L.A. -- LA Artcore  -- NC w/ Henry Kaiser 
02/20/03 -- San Francisco, CA -- Elbo Room  -- NC w/ Banyan
02/21/03 -- San Francisco, CA -- Elbo Room  -- NC w/ Banyan
02/25/03 -- San Francisco, CA -- Great American Music Hall  -- NC w/Scott 
Amendola Band
02/27/03 -- San Jose, CA -- Kuumbwa Jazz Center  -- NC w/Scott Amendola Band
02/28/03 -- Santa Rosa, CA -- Old Vic  -- NC w/Scott Amendola Band
03/01/03 -- Los Angeles, CA -- Largo  -- NC w/Carla Bozulich
03/02/03 -- San Diego, CA -- Dizzy's  -- NC w/Carla Bozulich
03/05/03 -- Phoenix, AZ -- Modified Arts -- NC w/Carla Bozulich
03/06/03 -- Bisbee, AZ -- TBA  -- NC w/Carla Bozulich
03/07/03 -- Tuscon, AZ -- Club Congress  -- NC w/Carla Bozulich 
03/09/03 -- San Francisco, CA -- Bottom of The Hill -- NC w/Carla Bozulich 
03/12/03 -- Eugene, OR -- Sam Bond's Garage  -- NC w/Carla Bozulich 
03/13/03 -- Seattle, WA -- Sunset Tavern -- NC w/Carla Bozulich 
03/14/03 -- Portland, OR -- Blackbird -- NC w/Carla Bozulich 

Enjoy!

tEd ® kiLLiAn

ArsOcarina@aol.com
http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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Attached is a cute example of how we sculpt our perceptions (MS word doc
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I think the inface of some instruments (violincello is my chosen favorite)
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Thank you, thank you, thank you Ted for sending those tour dates!

If you didn't post Frisell's tour list, I probably would have missed him
coming here. I have congenital show blindness... I miss everything
(especially when I was living in San Francisco), and now that I live in
Eureka CA, intake of culture is crucial, else I'll start chopping down
redwoods.

Actually, I have seen one truly awesome performance up here a few months
ago, Nels Cline. He played a total dive, only 20 or so people, no wonder
he's not coming by here this time around. If anyone reading this hasn't seen
him, do...

Everyone, follow Ted's example please, I need to go out more. :-)

Thanks again,
Jim

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--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> [Hint to Kim Flint: Bill's 4-day stay in Oakland
> might be a golden 
> opportunity to evangelize him with the virtues of
> the EDP gospel.

And if any of you attend any of these shows and get a
chance to talk with either Mr. Frisell or Mr. Cline,
please speak up on behalf of those of us EAST OF
ARIZONA! (singing off-key "Pleeease come to
Boston...")

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Having attended the FREE! Echoplex Clinic at "Bananas at Large" I would
like to urge everyone to patronise this store and to utilise Rick(the
other one who works at B at L)as a resource.He is a very knowlegdable
and accomplished Looper in his own right and a wonderful supporter of
our community.
Watching Steve,Andre,and Rick Walker perform w/the same Looper,It really
struck me how individualistic looping is..
1.Steve; creates a beautiful musical experiance where the Looper becomes
invisable..(Dancing w/C currently my favorite CD)
2.Rick; has so many sides to his musical imagination,seemingly uses the
looper to clone
himself..singer,percussionist,multi-instrumentalist,found
objectist,sonic explorer ect,ect,etc...
3.Andre;"plays" the Echoplex,aside from being the "hot licks" guy we all
steal things from(or try to:)he interacts most obviously and vigorously
w/the looper.At times he appears to be playing a duet,other times
shadowboxing or sculpting..
And my point is..?
There are many ways of approaching this art form as both creater and
performer.It's not just another effect(but it CAN be)it's not just
recorded music(but,it CAN be)it's not just an easy to get along with
bandmate(but,it CAN be)The most interesting metaphor to me at the moment
is a musical RELATIONSHIP that multiplies whatever the initiater
intends.....
Hoping to hear from others as well,
Scott Kungha Drengsen

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by cheap i mean the latches on their pop up case fell off within a few
months of the purchase. i'm now using these cases,
http://www.mtsproducts.com there is also a pic of this particular case on my
music page / equipment/magicbox if you'd like to see it. i little more $ but
beyond worth it so far...

best of luck to you,
jimmy george
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> sorry for the ot:
> but i have a question: re: skb roto racks.
>
> i bought a skb roto 4 space rack last year to house
> my rack effects things, and was wondering what the
> difference between roto racks vs regular skb rack cases?
>
> i don't know, and was just wondering. i bought mine b/c it was
> used/cheap, seems to work ok. but wondering what the difference was?
> thanks,
> s---
> --
>
>

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btw i'm told that skb is good about honoring their parts and will ship new
ones to replace what ever may break.

jg
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> by cheap i mean the latches on their pop up case fell off within a few
> months of the purchase. i'm now using these cases,
> http://www.mtsproducts.com there is also a pic of this particular case on
my
> music page / equipment/magicbox if you'd like to see it. i little more $
but
> beyond worth it so far...
>
> best of luck to you,
> jimmy george
> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Hansen 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:23 AM
> Subject: ot: "skb are cheap"?
>
>
> > sorry for the ot:
> > but i have a question: re: skb roto racks.
> >
> > i bought a skb roto 4 space rack last year to house
> > my rack effects things, and was wondering what the
> > difference between roto racks vs regular skb rack cases?
> >
> > i don't know, and was just wondering. i bought mine b/c it was
> > used/cheap, seems to work ok. but wondering what the difference was?
> > thanks,
> > s---
> > --
> >
> >
>
>

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The Parisian version of NAAM and MusikMesse will be taking place in 
Paris at the end of March (27th-31st). Although last years' show was 
quite small, concentrating on classical and acoustic instruments, 
previous salons have had a large selection of electronica.

I'll be there during the entire show working at the D&H stand (with all 
of my looping gear), and will be unveiling for the first time the 
Leviticus Project - the next stage of my looping voyage...

...which involves live electric violins, live flutes, keyboards playing 
samplers of classical samples (brass, percussion, choir) all routed 
through the Repeater, DL4's and (if I can get my hands on one in time) 
an EDP. Fingers crossed I should have a spot on the main stage during 
one of the days.

If anyone is on this side of the water during that week, then it would 
be great if you could make it over and have a meet/jam. There... 2 
months notice aint bad :)

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The Parisian version of NAAM and MusikMesse will be taking place in
Paris at the end of March (27th-31st). Although last years' show was
quite small, concentrating on classical and acoustic instruments,
previous salons have had a large selection of electronica.


I'll be there during the entire show working at the D&H stand (with
all of my looping gear), and will be unveiling for the first time the
Leviticus Project - the next stage of my looping voyage...


...which involves live electric violins, live flutes, keyboards
playing samplers of classical samples (brass, percussion, choir) all
routed through the Repeater, DL4's and (if I can get my hands on one
in time) an EDP. Fingers crossed I should have a spot on the main
stage during one of the days. 


If anyone is on this side of the water during that week, then it would
be great if you could make it over and have a meet/jam. There... 2
months notice aint bad :)


-- 

Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com


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Hey Stu :) Didn't know you were here!!! How many violins? The Massive Attack
gig I had, fell through :(
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  The Parisian version of NAAM and MusikMesse will be taking place in Paris
at the end of March (27th-31st). Although last years' show was quite small,
concentrating on classical and acoustic instruments, previous salons have
had a large selection of electronica.

  I'll be there during the entire show working at the D&H stand (with all of
my looping gear), and will be unveiling for the first time the Leviticus
Project - the next stage of my looping voyage...

  ...which involves live electric violins, live flutes, keyboards playing
samplers of classical samples (brass, percussion, choir) all routed through
the Repeater, DL4's and (if I can get my hands on one in time) an EDP.
Fingers crossed I should have a spot on the main stage during one of the
days.

  If anyone is on this side of the water during that week, then it would be
great if you could make it over and have a meet/jam. There... 2 months
notice aint bad :)

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 >  Pipe organs are even crazier...The pipes cross-talk so that depending on
 >  what you play, the sound changes (we're not simply talking about
 >  inter-modulation in the ambient here).  This cross-talk is SO STRONG 
that
 >  the intonation of the pipes change

........interesting
would that be more noticeable when a high pitched pipe is affected
by a low pitch one?
----
It's sort of an N way street (depending on how many pipes are going) so it's 
pretty complex interaction.
I couldn't say with authority, but I would GUESS that it might be more 
apparent if for no other reason than our better pitch discretion up there 
and possibly more mass/energy in the bigger pipes make them less sensitive.

Damn fine point
I'll have to ask a designer on that one.

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Hi loopers
I have just discovered your wonderful group of loopers
For the record I am a student and I am writing my dissertation (10000words) 
on audio looping in the contempoary music world. So it could be said that I 
will be writing about u!!

little bit about myself
I have own an EDP for a year and i use it with a piece of software I haven't 
seen any of u guys/ladies mention yet Digital Performer, this has a piece of 
looping software included in it called Polar which allows up to 99 loops to 
be played simultaniously (however its not that flexable). The software is 
totally RAM based and can be controlled via midi and supports unlimited 
overdubbing etc, best of all though u never ever need to stop POLAR to do 
anything from recording new loops to changing the volume of existing loops 
etc. ohh yeah and the loop size limit is dictated only by how much RAM u 
have installed in u'r MAC.

If any one knows of any looping demonstrations/concerts happening in England 
over the next few months please let me know. As I really want to see some 
EDP masters at work..
Has anyone released a video or is there video footage on the internet of 
anyone using an EDP to its fullest potential.

My research aims to look at how contempoary musicians are using loopers to 
define and augment their compositional langauge, so any thoughts anyone has 
on this please let me know
If anyone doesn't mind me asking them a few painless questions let me 
know...

(iecha@hotmail.com)
It feels like looping is gonna exploxed as a movement......

Cheers Geoff









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I'm continuing to explore the possibilites of cassette-based looping, using
four-track machines, and I'm thrilled with it thus far.  I've bought a 3rd cheap
four-track and am having great fun doing things like moving a loop from one
machine to another, each time recording it at normal speed then bumping it up to
double-speed (a perfect octave shift).

There are a few things that a typical four-track won't allow me to do though.
Doing sound-on-sound on a particular would be terrific: I'm doing this in a
primitive manner already through modifying cassette cases so the tape never
passes over the erase head.  This yields fantastic, evocative lo-fi soundscapes,
but the problem is that I'm unable to hear the track until I punch out of
record.

It seems like there are some pretty electronics-handy folks here (I'm an eager
beginner myself, done lots of soldering but no sophisticated mods).  Anyone have
any ideas?  what I want specifically is:

- to selectively disable the erase function when in record (doesn't have to be
per track, just universal)
- to allow monitoring of playback while recording on the same track

I'd also like to extend the range of pitch speed.  Would messing with the value
of the pitch pot accomplish this?

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

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Michael Rockwood and Wally Jericho ended up playing an
unbroken 2 hour set at the Planet Of The Loops show
and afterwards I asked Mike if he attributed any of his
oceanic washes of sound to the Boomerang and he
does think the grain in the half speed contributes to
the fatness of his loop sound. I use the half speed
in my EDP and Line 6 but never get anything quite like it.
Hmmmm, maybe a LoFi option in LoopV someday?  ;)

Cheers,
Scott M2

http://www.dreamSTATE.to
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louie Angulo" 

> The EDP Half speed sounds close to it but i think the
> boomerang has more of a lo-fi sound to it.
> I have both the repeater and EDP but Somehow the
> Boomerang is cool,just pack it in a bag and take it,
> plus its transposing features are great!
> L.a

> --- Scott McGregor Moore  wrote:
> > * Both of this week's artists employ Boomerang
> > loopers
> > and often implement that great, fat, grainy
> > halfspeed Boomerang
> > sound in their performances. I don't think I've
> > heard another
> > device that sounds so cool at halfspeed. Can anyone
> > suggest
> > an equivalent or better device for halfspeed
> > soundscaping?
> > (Maybe it's just how these artists use them. (?) ) -
> >  Scott M2
> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > . . . . . . . .
> > 
> > THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
> > Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st
> > set at 9:30
> >   @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front
> > St. - Toronto
> >          3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
> >          map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > . . . . . . . .
> > 
> > This Tuesday January 28th - Planet Of The Loops
> > 
> > Planet Of The Loops begins its 2003 bimonthly
> > looping series
> > with two veteran loopers: Michael Rockwood and Wally
> > Jericho.
> > 
> > Rockwood (Memory Bank, zoebliss) returns to the Ping
> > stage
> > for the first time since his performance at The
> > Ambient Ping's
> > Second Anniversary Special in August 2001. His
> > expansive
> > guitar-based soundscapes have been more outstanding
> > with
> > every appearance.
> > http://www.theambientping.com/rockwood
> > 
> > Wally Jericho wields trumpet and bass to build
> > floating or funky
> > loops. Wally was very active at the Ping in 2002,
> > appearing with
> > Styrohead, Andrew Aldridge and Kurt Swinghammer,
> > cheryl o
> > and Neil Chapman, SYLKEN, dreamSTATE and James
> > Johnson.
> > Look for Wally's 2002 Sampler CD at PiNG THiNGS.
> > http://www.wallyjericho.com
> > 
> > Between Sets CD - "Pie Jesu" by Robert Fripp (DGM -
> > 1997)
> > This EP collects some of the most beautiful tracks
> > from Fripp's
> > "A Blessing Of Tears" and "The Gates Of Paradise"
> > albums.
> > These pieces are edits from live solo performances
> > employing
> > guitar, guitar synth and loops. (If the Planet Of
> > The Loops crew
> > leaves loops rolling between sets, then this CD will
> > be played
> > immediately after the 2nd set.) 
> > http://www.elephant-talk.com
> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


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I was wondering if anyone may be interested in helping to write a simple less 
than one page explanation of looping?

I want to find some way of conveying without a video or CD to a venue of what 
it is that is done and why it may appeal to an audience...

I think that a well worded explanation would help do the trick.

       (I myself am not very well worded)

Thanks,
9:
the artist formerly know as:
Gregory Bruce Campbell

Listen up loopers who are MP3.COM artists: 
Please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to: 
looping9string@aol.com for: 
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I was wondering if anyone may be interested in helping to write a simple less than one page explanation of looping?



I want to find some way of conveying without a video or CD to a venue of what it is that is done and why it may appeal to an audience...



I think that a well worded explanation would help do the trick.



       (I myself am not very well worded)



Thanks,

9:

the artist formerly know as:

Gregory Bruce Campbell



Listen up loopers who are MP3.COM artists: 

Please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to: looping9string@aol.com for: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html

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how about;
the movement of repetition

and have you set up the mp3.com site yet ? you know about them charging
for more then 3 tracks after the first of feb. ???

-das
ubuibi.org



Looping9string@aol.com wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone may be interested in helping to write a
> simple less than one page explanation of looping?
>
>        (I myself am not very well worded)

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how about;

the movement of repetition

and have you set up the mp3.com site yet ? you know about them charging
for more then 3 tracks after the first of feb. ???

-das

ubuibi.org

 

 

Looping9string@aol.com wrote:

I was
wondering if anyone may be interested in helping to write a simple less
than one page explanation of looping?

      
(I myself am not very well worded)



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At 12:56 AM +0000 1/31/03, geoff smith wrote:

>  I am a student and I am writing my dissertation (10000words) on 
>audio looping in the contempoary music world. So it could be said 
>that I will be writing about u!!

Check out the Loopers Delight Web site for information on looping. If 
you're interested in some historical references I have gathered some 
additional information as well.



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In a message dated 1/30/2003 8:05:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
das@ubuibi.org writes:

> how about; 
> the movement of repetition and have you set up the mp3.com site yet? you 
> know about them charging for more then 3 tracks after the first of feb. ??? 
> 
> 
> -das 
> ubuibi.org 
> 
> 
> 

Yes, Das, the mp3 station is up:

http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html

Yes, I did read that, I'll just use mp3.com for what it is, i STILL think its 
an incredible tool and an incredible service!

I am preparing to go nuts on another mp3.com affiliated artist promotion site 
soon, just got to clear some debts, then i will also contribute to LD in 
spite of the slamming i received from KIM and then its loop video uploading 
time... (once i have a little headroom on the ol visa card, damn that NAMM 
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how about; 

the movement of repetition and have you set up the mp3.com site yet? you know about them charging for more then 3 tracks after the first of feb. ??? 



-das 

ubuibi.org 










Yes, Das, the mp3 station is up:



http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html



Yes, I did read that, I'll just use mp3.com for what it is, i STILL think its an incredible tool and an incredible service!



I am preparing to go nuts on another mp3.com affiliated artist promotion site soon, just got to clear some debts, then i will also contribute to LD in spite of the slamming i received from KIM and then its loop video uploading time... (once i have a little headroom on the ol visa card, damn that NAMM show!) ;)

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> Från: geoff smith [mailto:iecha@hotmail.com] 

Hi Geoff,

> My research aims to look at how contempoary musicians are 
> using loopers to 
> define and augment their compositional langauge, so any 
> thoughts anyone has 
> on this please let me know

It's funny but I'm using loopers for exactly the opposite reason: to
stay away from (the need for) "composition" and be able to fully
improvise everything ;-)

Best wishes

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Hey gang, I was really proud that our looping tour and the looping scene
in general was the cover article of the local METRO SANTA CRUZ.

If anyone is interested, here is the whole article:

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/cruz/01.22.03/looping-0304.html


Please forgive all the hyperbola about Santa Cruz being the center of the
looping universe...............it embarasses me, but as a shameless promoter
for looping in general and music and art in general,  it tickles me pink
that we got such incredible mention.

also, I hope I didn't already post this (man am I tired after all the
driving from this tour, I can't even imagine how Steve feels since he has
been touring relentlessly since
August and still has two more weeks to go in the US),
I recieved this letter from the Mayor of Santa Cruz after she had come to
present
INTERNATIONAL LOOPING DAY proclamations to Andre, Steve, Bill and myself at
the wonderful
Cayuga Vault show.  If I already posted it, please forgive my enthusiasm.


"Dear Rick,

Thanks so much for allowing me to participate in your concert last night.
The music was wonderful and the spirit of the crowd was such an example of
the spirit of Santa Cruz.

I realized as I was driving home that what you are doing is what will change
the world. We all need to follow suit, one note at a time, one conversation
at a time: be IN the moment, IN the present, with joy and love.

I've been reading a book called "The Path of Least Resistance" The author is
a pianist, a composer, who many years ago began trying to understand how the
creative process works. He points out that one of fundamental principles of
the universe is that energy follows the path of least resistance, that that
path is determined by its underlying structure AND most importantly when you
change the underlying structure you change the path. Last night I saw the
three of you do that: laying down the underlying structure, listening to it
and to
one another and flowing with the energy of your musical river.

Thank you...and keep it up! You're holding the planet together!

Love,
Emily"

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> - to selectively disable the erase function when in record (doesn't have to 
> be
>  per track, just universal)

difficult, because the same oscillator does the bias signal
for Record as does the erase.
So messing with erase might wreck the recording. 
Ideally a second erase head  positioned away from the tape,
and a switch to alternate between that and the original.
Either that or you need to try a resistor of "suitable value"
to act as a dummy erase head.


>  - to allow monitoring of playback while recording on the same track

don't think that's practical, you need a 3 head deck.

Have you tried using the erase head to play back ?
(well, guess not, sounds like you haven't reached for the
soldering iron yet)

However, if you're going to spend a lot of time and effort on this
wouldn't it be better to use a reel to reel deck?
much easier to work with
Plenty of room for adding extra playback heads.
(anything will do, even old cassette heads).
And often there's a choice of 3-4 speeds.


andy butler

 

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The response u people have given too my post has been incredibly generous, 
thankyou

Here is a further question (sorry to just take from u people at the moment, 
be sure that I will be giving back as much as I can, including all my 
finished research, final paper etc.)

I have an EDP and Polar (d.p.)
I have access to the jamman, line 6 delays, boomerang

To further my research I am going to spend basically every penny I have on 
looping equipment.... ( pleasurable research I am sure u will agree)

Now the tricky bit I could buy a repeater (i know where one is and they are 
holding it for me)
however they are very expensive the equivelent of $1000 here in england. 
That would pretty much wipe me out financially.
Or I could buy the software Radial from cyling 74 to use with my G4 
powerbook Mac.
And have money left to look at the loopIV upgrade for the EDP and to look at 
various Midi controllers.

I have been reading the archived posting on the repeater and while it sounds 
pretty incredible, at a $1000 I am not sure its worth it.

So the question I am asking is should I buy the repeater or wait 2weeks and 
buy radial,
Just how incredible is the Repeater???  Is it good live???

Just how incredible is Radial???? (unfortunately no demo or downloads of 
this program yet)
Is the feeling that this software will eclipse all looping hardware when it 
is released????

Software or Hardware ???

(be sure I have and am searching loopers delight to the fullest.)

Any opinions welcome
Thankyou
Geoff



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Loopsters: 
 
The first night of the Boston Loopfest was a scream,  
and the audience did just that at some of the more 
memorable moments!--as well as laugh, smile, gasp, 
shake their heads in disbelief, and even, at one 
point, sing in unison!
 
Reviews when the festival is over, i hope, but for 
now a quick but BIG THANKS to all those musicians 
who gave us their everything last night for a  
memorable evening: Michael LaMeyer, Jon Wobesky 
and Jonathon Byerly, Dan Soltzberg of Ghost 7, and 
Dave Dunbar. These performances were superb!!! 
 
TONIGHT: the festivities continue with what promises 
to be an equally diverse program. 
 
-David Kirkdorffer / UNDO  
-Jonathan LaMaster  
-Notnoise vs. Repeatpeak  
-RandomSalt  

We start at 7:30p(-ish).

Zeitgeist Gallery 
1363 Cambridge Street 
Cambridge, MA 
(right near the center of Inman Square) 
 
Please come by, be a part of the fun, bring a  
friend! The talent on this bill is colossal! Don't 
miss the opportunity to hear all this great music 
in one evening!!! 
 
Hope to see you there! 
 
peter koniuto 
 
______________________________ 
Creative Recordist - Composer 
Red Sun Soundroom 
Somerville, MA 
 
617-591-9496 (ph) 
617-790-0380 (fax) 
 
peter@RedSunSoundroom.com 
______________________________ 
 



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James said:
>Ever listen to changes in the timbre of a drone and hear an implied melody?

thats how this here all started! I was using a delay to mount drones 
and heard things...

For the first year, all my music started with a bass drone of a 
minute or so: The concentration I needed to hear the theme come up.
Since then, I use them often in therapy where stability an base is 
the subject and in meditation to visualize the crating energy and its 
infinite components. Just yesterday in a contact improvisation dance 
lesson, there was an exercise to feel the partner approaching and 
everbody agreed that my (not so strict) drone helped a lot to 
concentrate.

But, as you say, a main purpose is to make melodies appear, and this 
works in public also. If you are in a suficiently loose ambience a 
drone makes the public sing along: first the drone, then related 
notes and finally whole melodies!
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Thank you Tim!

>  > But how do you detect the correct delay correction
>>  since the delay over the net is not constant?
>
>It's not delay correction as much as re-sychronization.
>The information sent across the wire is time-tagged data
>in the time-frame of the sender.  The receiver takes this,
>adds an amount of time that is (in normal situations)
>greater than the greatest possible network delay, and then
>re-synchronizes the start time of the phrase to the
>clock of the receiver.  One key to making this work with a minimum
>of total delay is to process the data in small chunks (say, one or
>two beats).  You need to be reading MIDI input, playing MIDI output,
>reading TCP/IP input, and writing TCP/IP output, all in parallel.
>Some languages make that easier than others :-).

so this could not be easily adapted to a continuous audio stream, could it?

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Hi Darryl,

One lo-tech, lo-fi way to disable your erase head
involves taking a piece of scotch tape, putting a
smaller piece sticky side to sticky side in the middle
leaving "wings" of adhesive on the ends of the first
piece like a band-aid, and covering the erase head.
You *won't* want to do this with an expensive deck
because if you do inadvertantly get adhesive gumminess
on the head, you won't be at all happy.

You could also install a microswitch to disable the
head.

Are you using "endless loop" answering machine
cassettes?

-t-

ps: check your computer's date/clock; your message
says it was sent Tuesday! :-)

--- Daryl  wrote:
> ...- to selectively disable the erase function...

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Mini Disk 4our track decks have all these features and you can get them for
next to nothing now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daryl" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:14 PM
Subject: cassette looping electronics help


>
> I'm continuing to explore the possibilites of cassette-based looping,
using
> four-track machines, and I'm thrilled with it thus far.  I've bought a 3rd
cheap
> four-track and am having great fun doing things like moving a loop from
one
> machine to another, each time recording it at normal speed then bumping it
up to
> double-speed (a perfect octave shift).
>
> There are a few things that a typical four-track won't allow me to do
though.
> Doing sound-on-sound on a particular would be terrific: I'm doing this in
a
> primitive manner already through modifying cassette cases so the tape
never
> passes over the erase head.  This yields fantastic, evocative lo-fi
soundscapes,
> but the problem is that I'm unable to hear the track until I punch out of
> record.
>
> It seems like there are some pretty electronics-handy folks here (I'm an
eager
> beginner myself, done lots of soldering but no sophisticated mods).
Anyone have
> any ideas?  what I want specifically is:
>
> - to selectively disable the erase function when in record (doesn't have
to be
> per track, just universal)
> - to allow monitoring of playback while recording on the same track
>
> I'd also like to extend the range of pitch speed.  Would messing with the
value
> of the pitch pot accomplish this?
>
> Daryl Shawn
> highhorse@mhorse.com
>

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i don't know about tim's stuff, but i can think of a few
ways it could be done...


> 
> so this could not be easily adapted to a continuous audio 
> stream, could it?
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
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> 

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A Tom Heasley appearance tonight in SF.

Cheers,
Scott M2

http://www.dreamSTATE.to
ambientelectronicsoundscapes
http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com


... tonight:

Lovely is the New Loud

964 Natoma, San Francisco, CA (USA)
Friday, January 31st ~ doors 8pm
$6-10 sliding donation, no one turned away

----> Event Description <-------------------------------------

For "Lovely is the New Loud," musicians and sound artists
have been asked to present work that pursues unabashedly
the lovely. In these loud and painful times, take a moment
for something softer.

 christopher willits / scott pagano
 guitar, laptops, projection

 tom heasley
 tuba and electronics

 kristin miltner / james livingston
 saxaphone and laptop

  ~ and ~

 'sweet nothings'
 a fibre installation by elliot lessing

Full information:

   http://www.quietamerican.org/lovely.html

Seating mostly on futons to encourage comfortable deep listening.



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i'm after an affordable unit (stomp box or rack, doesn't matter), which =
has
the most atmospheric reverbs, echoes, reverse reverbs, chorus etc. i =
also
like the analogue sounds like the roland space echo and the watkins =
copicat
etc. i've never used a looping function before (i only have an analogue =
echo
unit and an alesis quadraverb, usedfor echo and reverse reverb). Which =
do
the experienced loopers recommend for myfirst acquisition? is the line6 =
dl4
modeller really my best buy? what about the lexicon jamman/vortex that =
i've
read aboutvia the loopers website? i'm into stuff like the aphex twin =
and
mybloody valentine
thanks
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i also
like the analogue sounds like the roland space echo and the =
watkins=20
copicat
etc. i've never used a looping function before (i only have =
an=20
analogue echo
unit and an alesis quadraverb, usedfor echo and reverse =

reverb). Which do
the experienced loopers recommend for myfirst =
acquisition?=20
is the line6 dl4
modeller really my best buy? what about the lexicon=20
jamman/vortex that i've
read aboutvia the loopers website? i'm into =
stuff=20
like the aphex twin and
mybloody=20
valentine
thanks
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>The response u people have given too my post has been incredibly 
>generous, thankyou
>
>Here is a further question (sorry to just take from u people at the 
>moment, be sure that I will be giving back as much as I can, 
>including all my finished research, final paper etc.)
>
>I have an EDP and Polar (d.p.)
>I have access to the jamman, line 6 delays, boomerang
>
>To further my research I am going to spend basically every penny I 
>have on looping equipment.... ( pleasurable research I am sure u 
>will agree)
>
>Now the tricky bit I could buy a repeater (i know where one is and 
>they are holding it for me)
>however they are very expensive the equivelent of $1000 here in 
>england. That would pretty much wipe me out financially.
>Or I could buy the software Radial from cyling 74 to use with my G4 
>powerbook Mac.
>And have money left to look at the loopIV upgrade for the EDP and to 
>look at various Midi controllers.
>
>I have been reading the archived posting on the repeater and while 
>it sounds pretty incredible, at a $1000 I am not sure its worth it.

I love the repeater.

But I'd go for loop IV and the software solution...
you'd have enough money left over to get pluggo
(100+ VST plug-ins).

The repeater just isn't versatile enough to justify
blowing your whole wad on it, particularly if you
have a DL4 AND an EDP!

     /t
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http://extremeNY.com ........................................... the calendar.
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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #306                    January 30, 2003.


RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star
in the spacemusic genre.  The Featured CD at midnight was "Hypnotic Drift" by
Brannan Lane on his own brannanlane.com label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Trip in the Center Head" by Space Art on IF
Records.

I played the music of Orbital Decay who will be at the next Soundscapes Concert
Series on February 22, 2003.  I also played the music of The Ministry of Inside
Things who will play at Third Floor From The Sun on Friday, January 31.

Brannan Lane
http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan
Soundscapes Concert Series    http://soundscapes.us
Ministry of Inside Things     http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Space Art               Speedway                 Trip in the Center Head (IF)
Orbital Decay           6 of 3                   Drastic Park (none)
The Ministry of Inside  Exerpt from Set #2       Soundscapes Concert #2 (none)
  Things
Skin Mechanix           Ultravista               The Secret Life of Angels
                                                   (InfectionMusic)
Amongst Myselves        The Shores of the        Sacred Black (RMC Records)
                          Cosmic Ocean
Brannan Lane            Zone One               Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)

12:00 am
Brannan Lane            Zone Two               Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Zone Three             Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Zone Four              Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Zone Five              Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Zone Six               Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Zone Seven             Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Zone Eight             Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Zone Nine              Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Zone Ten               Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)
Brannan Lane            Zone Eleven            Hypnotic Drift (brannanlane.com)
VA [Nemesis]            Moontrigger *          Dreamwatchers' Tales (Mirage
                                                 Creations)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Orbital Decay.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live in Concert 2-16-2002" from concert tapes.

The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Underwater Sunlight" by Tangerine
Dream on the Relativity label.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space  music  show.   Thursdays  at
11  pm  on  WDIY  88.1  FM,  Allentown  and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.     http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic        All times are GMT-5:00
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
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Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm          http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh  and click  REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill               All times are GMT-5:00
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Reminds me of my high school choir...on a unison pitch I would dig bending
my own sung pitch just a tad, quietly feeling the de-tune beats powerfully
oscillate deep in my head...(it's good that not everyone was doing that! :-)

Over, Under, Sideways Down.
David

>.... If you are in a suficiently loose ambience a
> drone makes the public sing along: first the drone, then related
> notes and finally whole melodies!
> --


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Rick, your city MAYOR wrote this?  Wow!- you live in a super-hip city (and
likely in part due to your hip love of looping work!).

Thanks for sharing,
David

 >   ...I recieved this letter from the Mayor of Santa Cruz. ...
> "Dear Rick,
>
> Thanks so much for allowing me to participate in your concert last night.
> The music was wonderful and the spirit of the crowd was such an example of
> the spirit of Santa Cruz.
>
> I realized as I was driving home that what you are doing is what will
change
> the world. We all need to follow suit, one note at a time, one
conversation
> at a time: be IN the moment, IN the present, with joy and love.
>
> I've been reading a book called "The Path of Least Resistance" The author
is
> a pianist, a composer, who many years ago began trying to understand how
the
> creative process works. He points out that one of fundamental principles
of
> the universe is that energy follows the path of least resistance, that
that
> path is determined by its underlying structure AND most importantly when
you
> change the underlying structure you change the path. Last night I saw the
> three of you do that: laying down the underlying structure, listening to
it
> and to
> one another and flowing with the energy of your musical river.
>
> Thank you...and keep it up! You're holding the planet together!
>
> Love,
> Emily"
>
>

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If there are any TG fans on here they'll understand what Im talking about....


Peter Christopherson played a sampler/tape looper keyboard that when you pushed on keys it would trigger car tape decks that had cassetts of sounds. The keyboard could controll speed, rewind, forward, etc. 


Does anyone know of a way to controll car stereo tape decks or any tape decks for that matter through like a joystick or keyboard maybe even in a theremin like instrument?


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On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 09:53 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> It's funny but I'm using loopers for exactly the opposite reason: to
> stay away from (the need for) "composition" and be able to fully
> improvise everything ;-)

Likewise. Looping has given me total freedom of expression. Although I 
have tried to score things in the past for looping devices, when I 
actually tried playing them, the inspirational part of the brain took 
over and completely ignored the scored notes.

-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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I understand because I have a fondness for the idea of TG music and =
performance. I have no idea about the gear question but I am interested =
in anything like this. Hacking toss off electronics to make sound and =
music. Anyone know of a web site(s) that hover around these (for me) =
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  If there are any TG fans on here they'll understand what Im talking =
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  Peter Christopherson played a sampler/tape looper keyboard that when =
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sounds. The keyboard could controll speed, rewind, forward, etc.=20

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Heh!

I think the immediacy you get with direct mechanical control of the 
media is the main attraction for these kinds of rigs, besides the 
innate raw machine aesthetic.

You could do what I am guessing Peter did, which is remove various 
switches and pots from the car stereos, and wire them up directly via 
longer wires to a control panel. Take a bicycle brake lever and cable 
and attach it to pull the pinch wheel away from the capstan...this 
might give you a rather Gristly speed control that would be hard to 
emulate with a digital sampler.

For theremin like control, I can think of a couple ways to do it, but 
they require either lots of money or lots of hardware hacking skills, 
or some of both. Translating a gesture into a voltage and then into 
data and eventually back into a mechanical movement seems kind of 
silly, but anyway:

1. You could buy a MIDI theremin and an AMX or Crestron control 
system, and program the AMX to read the MIDI and translate it into 
emulated IR remote commands for any cassette decks that have remote 
controls. This is sort of an absurdly expensive of approach, but 
could be done quickly by anyone with the cash.

2. You could build a PAIA theremin kit with control voltage outputs, 
and program a Basic Stamp or other microcontroller kit to translate 
the CV's into relay closures or other triggers that press the buttons 
on the front panel of the cassette decks. For someone with a moderate 
amount of electronics hacking skill this would cost a lot less and 
not take forever.

-Alex S.





>If there are any TG fans on here they'll understand what Im talking about....
>
>Peter Christopherson played a sampler/tape looper keyboard that when 
>you pushed on keys it would trigger car tape decks that had cassetts 
>of sounds. The keyboard could controll speed, rewind, forward, etc.
>
>Does anyone know of a way to controll car stereo tape decks or any 
>tape decks for that matter through like a joystick or keyboard maybe 
>even in a theremin like instrument?
>
>kris
>
>
>
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There was an instrument in the 70's called the
Birotron that was developed in association with Rick
Wakeman as a next generation Mellotron.
 While the
Mellotron's notes came from pre-recorded strips of
1/4" tape, the birotron actually used 8-track
cartridges. When you played the keyboard, whatever was
on the cartridges would sound. The problem was,
Mellotron tapes contained the note's attack portion,
and the Birotron's cartridges were endless loops in
which a keyed note would start abruptly.

There's a story (perhaps apocryphal, but who knows?)
about a practical joke the members of Yes played on
Wakeman at a rehearsal; after a dinner break, Wakeman
was late in returning (he was notoriously 'thirsty' in
those days) and the band members brought in a bunch of
8-tracks from their cars. When they were playing again
after Wakeman returned and they got to the part where
the Birotron was supposed to produce the sounds of
choirs or strings or whatever, Wakeman hit the keys
and heard Simon & Garfunkel.

I've used MiniDisc decks as (non-real-time) loopers;
since they're random access, if you edit a sample so
there's no glitch at the seam, and set the deck to
Repeat One, it'll loop without a gap. If you set up
several decks with a mixer, you can play the faders
like a keyboard. Unfortunately, I used Sony decks
which have extremely fragile loading mechanisms, and
Sony doesn't really like to honor their warranty. I've
done similar things with CD players and/or cassette
decks loaded with endless loop tapes, but MiniDisc
works better, at least until the little plastic gears
eat themselves.

-t-

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decks or any tape decks for that matter through like a
joystick or keyboard maybe even in a theremin like
instrument?


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There's a nice list of circuitbending links at


-t-

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In a message dated 1/31/03 4:26:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> You're holding the planet together!
> 
> Love,
> Emily"
> 
> 

oh my GOD!.....rickeee.....i dont know how to feel, you being an "ATLAS" 
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You're holding the planet together!



Love,

Emily"








oh my GOD!.....rickeee.....i dont know how to feel, you being an "ATLAS" figure and such!.....wow.....:).....michael

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I'd say try and get an Echoplex Digital Pro or a Repeater on Ebay.  If
you're into Aphex Twin you are going to want something that synchs to a
midi clock.

For reverbs/modulations I really like my Lexicon MPX1.  I think all the
mpx line will synch to midi or take a tap tempo.  Very useful.

Mark Sottilaro

john flynn wrote:

> -
> i'm after an affordable unit (stomp box or rack, doesn't matter),
> which has
> the most atmospheric reverbs, echoes, reverse reverbs, chorus etc. i
> also
> like the analogue sounds like the roland space echo and the watkins
> copicat
> etc. i've never used a looping function before (i only have an
> analogue echo
> unit and an alesis quadraverb, usedfor echo and reverse reverb). Which
> do
> the experienced loopers recommend for myfirst acquisition? is the
> line6 dl4
> modeller really my best buy? what about the lexicon jamman/vortex that
> i've
> read aboutvia the loopers website? i'm into stuff like the aphex twin
> and
> mybloody valentine
> thanks
> johnf

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check out Bill Laswell's Cymatic Scan.  Nice ambient drone album.  Very dark.

Mark Sottilaro

Matthias Grob wrote:

> James said:
> >Ever listen to changes in the timbre of a drone and hear an implied melody?
>
> thats how this here all started! I was using a delay to mount drones
> and heard things...
>
> For the first year, all my music started with a bass drone of a
> minute or so: The concentration I needed to hear the theme come up.
> Since then, I use them often in therapy where stability an base is
> the subject and in meditation to visualize the crating energy and its
> infinite components. Just yesterday in a contact improvisation dance
> lesson, there was an exercise to feel the partner approaching and
> everbody agreed that my (not so strict) drone helped a lot to
> concentrate.
>
> But, as you say, a main purpose is to make melodies appear, and this
> works in public also. If you are in a suficiently loose ambience a
> drone makes the public sing along: first the drone, then related
> notes and finally whole melodies!
> --
>
>           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

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In a message dated 1/31/03 8:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> Reviews when the festival is over

peter.....was anything recorded?.....michael

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In a message dated 1/31/03 8:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, peter@redsunsoundroom.com writes:






Reviews when the festival is over




peter.....was anything recorded?.....michael

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Hi all,
   I remember Denis Taaffe was on the list, are you still here?  If so =
are you doing any looping in Charleston when you come?  My band is =
playing down the street at Muligans that night 9:30 to 1:30.  with some =
looping but mostly Rock covers for the drinkers...  I will try and get =
to your show!

Where there is love there is peace!
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Hi=20
all,
   I remember Denis Taaffe was on the list, are you =
still=20
here?  If so are you doing any looping in Charleston when you =
come? =20
My band is playing down the street at Muligans that night 9:30 to =
1:30. =20
with some looping but mostly Rock covers for the drinkers...  I =
will try=20
and get to your show!

Where there is love there is=20
peace!
Love,
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> I want to find some way of conveying without a video
> or CD to a venue of what 
> it is that is done and why it may appeal to an
> audience...
> 

there are many reasons why i first became interested
in looping, but the main thing that drew me in was
that it was a way to create multi-instrument music on
my own without having to deal with stepping on other
musicians' creative toes or have mine stepped on. 
also, anyone out there who has tried to pull together
a band knows that:

a) musicians are some of the flakiest and unreliable
people on the planet
b) talented musicians can become bit of control freaks
when they are working with their creative juices
c) most people only have two hands, but their creative
minds are far more advanced (especially on this list)

so for me, looping was an opportunity to accompany
myself and translate several of my musical ideas
exactly as i hear them in my head.  loopers are
incredible practice tools and using a tool like that
really opens several doors musically for those who
like to delve into the full capabilities of the
equipment.  these devices are also in their infancy to
being recognized outside of small communities like
this one and although there truly are some titans out
there using this gear, there is still so much that
hasn't been done so it is a great way to distinguish
youself musically without being a clone of previous
musicians.

it also helps to offer a good doorway to creating a
hybrid style of different types of music and sounds.

hope that helps to understand some reasons to turn to
a looping device.

peace and bass...
~e va n
evanmeyers@yahoo.com

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I'm not Peter but I can speak to this, since I'm the one who brought the dat
and mics.  I only had 4 30 minute dat tapes on hand (tonight I'm bringing at
least 4 60 minute tapes) so we got MOST of the performances onto DAT (via a
pair of c-1000's setup in the room).  We also have multiple video recordings
of the evening, and I believe that together we have footage of all the
shows.

Mike

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Reviews when the festival is over


peter.....was anything recorded?.....michael

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I have a used EDP that I'm selling.  It's about 1 year old, has Loop IV
software.  I also customized the pedal with heavy metal switches, which cost
about $200 (I think I overpaid for that).  I already have a buyer, just
don't know what a fair price for it is -- does anyone out there have an
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Re: Fair price for used EDP


I have a used EDP that I'm selling.  It's about 1 year =
old, has Loop IV software.  I also customized the pedal with heavy meta=
l switches, which cost about $200 (I think I overpaid for that).  I alr=
eady have a buyer, just don't know what a fair price for it is -- does anyon=
e out there have an idea?

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>>two beats).  You need to be reading MIDI input, playing MIDI output,
>>reading TCP/IP input, and writing TCP/IP output, all in parallel.
>>Some languages make that easier than others :-).
>
>so this could not be easily adapted to a continuous audio stream, could it?

I don't see anything that would prevent the technique from working
with audio, although streaming audio would increase the bandwidth
requirements by several orders of magnitude.  MIDI makes it possible
for "home servers" to be used over DSL, and allows you to easily
connect more than 2 people - audio wouldn't work/scale
anywhere near as well.

    ...Tim...


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way to go guys!!!! congrats rick, well done publicity for the loop!!

jg
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com



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> Hey gang, I was really proud that our looping tour and the looping scene
> in general was the cover article of the local METRO SANTA CRUZ.
>
> If anyone is interested, here is the whole article:
>
> http://www.metroactive.com/papers/cruz/01.22.03/looping-0304.html
>
>
> Please forgive all the hyperbola about Santa Cruz being the center of the
> looping universe...............it embarasses me, but as a shameless
promoter
> for looping in general and music and art in general,  it tickles me pink
> that we got such incredible mention.
>
> also, I hope I didn't already post this (man am I tired after all the
> driving from this tour, I can't even imagine how Steve feels since he has
> been touring relentlessly since
> August and still has two more weeks to go in the US),
> I recieved this letter from the Mayor of Santa Cruz after she had come to
> present
> INTERNATIONAL LOOPING DAY proclamations to Andre, Steve, Bill and myself
at
> the wonderful
> Cayuga Vault show.  If I already posted it, please forgive my enthusiasm.
>
>
> "Dear Rick,
>
> Thanks so much for allowing me to participate in your concert last night.
> The music was wonderful and the spirit of the crowd was such an example of
> the spirit of Santa Cruz.
>
> I realized as I was driving home that what you are doing is what will
change
> the world. We all need to follow suit, one note at a time, one
conversation
> at a time: be IN the moment, IN the present, with joy and love.
>
> I've been reading a book called "The Path of Least Resistance" The author
is
> a pianist, a composer, who many years ago began trying to understand how
the
> creative process works. He points out that one of fundamental principles
of
> the universe is that energy follows the path of least resistance, that
that
> path is determined by its underlying structure AND most importantly when
you
> change the underlying structure you change the path. Last night I saw the
> three of you do that: laying down the underlying structure, listening to
it
> and to
> one another and flowing with the energy of your musical river.
>
> Thank you...and keep it up! You're holding the planet together!
>
> Love,
> Emily"
>
>

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Re: Fair price for used EDPprepal.com says $579.00 and rising, but =
that's funny since you can get a brand new unit (well, the last blondes, =
i suppose) from altomusic for $679.00 footpedal included.

if he's a friend, give him a deal.  if he's just some buyer, abide by =
the market trend.  that's my advice.

-jim

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prepal.com says $579.00 and rising, but that's funny =
since you=20
can get a brand new unit (well, the last blondes, i suppose) from =
altomusic for=20
$679.00 footpedal included.


 


if he's a friend, give him a deal.  if he's =
just some=20
buyer, abide by the market trend.  that's my advice.


 


-jim


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I picked up an Audity for a very low price (Musician's Friend has them =
for $299). This  'rhythmic' synth module really kicks butt! 16, count =
'em, 16 arpeggiators! I've been fooling around with the preset =
arpeggiations/patterns generating rhythms to ultimately use with my =
looping gear. The Emu interrface is fairly easy to grasp. I can see lots =
of possibilities with this piece of electronica. Has an interesting =
lineage, too.

Regards, Paul

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I picked up an Audity for a very low =
price=20
(Musician's Friend has them for $299). This  'rhythmic' synth =
module really=20
kicks butt! 16, count 'em, 16 arpeggiators! I've been fooling around =
with the=20
preset arpeggiations/patterns generating rhythms to ultimately use with =
my=20
looping gear. The Emu interrface is fairly easy to grasp. I can see =
lots of=20
possibilities with this piece of electronica. Has an interesting =
lineage,=20
too.


 


Regards, =
Paul


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