From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 00:06:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30653; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:00:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:00:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E1275E8.4650FE2F@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 00:00:24 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Happy New Year! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wishing all a Happy and Peaceful New Year! Scott -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 07:07:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10894; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 07:06:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 07:06:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c2b18e$0f675da0$6633fe91@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <11c.1c9c57fd.2b430460@aol.com> Subject: re: glissentar Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 13:01:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2B195.E3DF4960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2B195.E3DF4960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable some more fretless *guitar*ists to listen to: - Turkish artist Erkan Og=FCr ( plays fretless nylon acoustic and steel = string electric, sometimes w/ e-bow ) - the one guy from French band *Philharmonie* ( forgot his name, the = band plays kind of instrumental/orchestral rock/metal ) some great "cross culture" oud players: =20 - Anouar Brahem - Rabih Abou Khalil of Lebannon=20 - Roman Bunka of Germany and even though this is heading into another area of sound/music I also = highly recommend to listen to=20 *Sarod*master Ali Akbar Khan enjoy ! I also played a Fernandes Sustainer guitar with a fretless neck ... did = anyone try a fretless baritone guitar, yet ? Leander re: fretless gtr-players, i'd at least suggest: dave 'fuse' fiuczynski (usa) marc ducret (fr) and, for looping oudists, i highly recommend (especially live): dhafer youssef (tun/fr) ..... add'ly, i've been looping the oud for about 4-5 (?) yrs, = myself..... regards, dt / splattercell currently working on: films: the sin eater (as composer) recordings: new splattercell recently completed: films: adaptation, simone, heist, the rookie, traffic, etc recordings: david bowie, tori amos, tim berne (as producer), mick karn = (as=20 re-mixer), the living jarboe, mantra girl, etc upcoming: recordings: jeff beck, tim berne (as producer) http://www.splattercell.com http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn member: Guitar Player Magazine Artist Advisory Board ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2B195.E3DF4960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
some more fretless = *guitar*ists=20 to listen to:
 
- Turkish artist Erkan = Og=FCr ( plays=20 fretless nylon acoustic and steel string electric, sometimes w/ e-bow=20 )
- the one guy from = French band=20 *Philharmonie* ( forgot his name, the band plays kind of = instrumental/orchestral=20 rock/metal )
 
some great "cross = culture" oud=20 players:
 
- Anouar = Brahem
- Rabih Abou Khalil of = Lebannon=20
- Roman Bunka of = Germany
 
and even though this is = heading into=20 another area of sound/music I also highly recommend to listen to =
*Sarod*master Ali Akbar = Khan
 
enjoy !
 
I also played a = Fernandes Sustainer=20 guitar with a fretless neck ... did anyone try a fretless baritone = guitar, yet=20 ?
 
 
Leander
 
 
re:=20 fretless gtr-players, i'd at least suggest:
dave 'fuse' fiuczynski=20 (usa)
marc ducret (fr)

and, for looping oudists, i highly = recommend=20 (especially live):
dhafer youssef (tun/fr)

..... add'ly, = i've been=20 looping the oud for about 4-5 (?) yrs, = myself.....

regards,
dt /=20 splattercell







currently working = on:
films:=20 the sin eater (as composer)
recordings: new = splattercell

recently=20 completed:
films: adaptation, simone, heist, the rookie, traffic,=20 etc
recordings: david bowie, tori amos, tim berne (as producer), = mick karn=20 (as
re-mixer), the living jarboe, mantra girl,=20 etc

upcoming:
recordings: jeff beck, tim berne (as=20 producer)

http://www.splattercell.com
<= A=20 = href=3D"http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn">http://www.egroups.com/gr= oup/davidtorn

member:=20 Guitar Player Magazine Artist Advisory = Board
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2B195.E3DF4960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 07:44:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11954; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 07:41:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 07:41:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E12E209.26335048@cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 07:41:45 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: glissentar References: <200212311954.OAA29891@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.17.0.2; VDF: 6.17.0.11; host: russian-caravan.cloud9.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > and, for looping oudists, i highly recommend (especially live): > So, what I really want to know is how many looping oudists are also drooping nudists Elby (who really can't he'p himself) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 08:53:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14023; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 08:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 08:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <61.2b79a816.2b444c73@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 08:51:47 EST Subject: Line6 Pedal Owners Beware To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_61.2b79a816.2b444c73_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_61.2b79a816.2b444c73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy and Happy New Year, Yesterday I was using my Line6 loop pedal when the 1st switch on the left actually came loose and fell into the unit. Major headache. I had to take the unit apart and wasn't able to get it back together completely until my wife came home. (She has petite fingers, I have sausage fingers. She's a little bit country...) Anyway, this could all have been avoided if I had just tightened the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while. If you have a Line6 stompbox and you use it a lot I would torque the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while to make sure they don't come loose. If I can save just one person a lot of irritation or some money then I have done my 1 good deed for the New Year. =-) PJ --part1_61.2b79a816.2b444c73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     Howdy and Happy New Year,
                                                 Yesterday I was using my Line6 loop pedal when the 1st switch on the left actually came loose and fell into the unit. Major headache. I had to take the unit apart and wasn't able to get it back together completely until my wife came home. (She has petite fingers, I have sausage fingers. She's a little bit country...)
     Anyway, this could all have been avoided if I had just tightened the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while. If you have a Line6 stompbox and you use it a lot I would torque the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while to make sure they don't come loose. If I can save just one person a lot of irritation or some money then I have done my 1 good deed for the New Year.                                 =-) PJ --part1_61.2b79a816.2b444c73_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 15:02:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28372; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:01:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:01:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 14:59:58 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 1.4.03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA28345 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge on Saturday, as part if an event that includes some of my favorite musicians. rob chalfen presents subconsciouscafe new chamber music series @ ZEITGEIST GALLERY Saturday, 4 January EXLODING ELECTRO-ACOUSTIC FRONTIER! with -THE RECEPTORS -SUBSTATION THE RECEPTORS Steve MacLean - guitar, kora, electronics Jorrit Dijkstra - alto sax, electronics Joe Monteiro – zen flea-market percussion The long-anticipated meeting of Steve & Jorrit improvising together for the first time (a Nord-Modular extravaganza, “the best synth in the world”) with Joe Monteiro’s zen concatenations. SUBSTATION Andrew Neumann - laptop, switches, sensors Katt Hernandez - F# violin Eric Rosenthal - drums Katt sez @ the trio: I have been working with Andrew Neumann for about a year now. Eric Rosenthal and I have talked about working together a lot, but this will be our first date playing out. This will be a very high energy group, dense and quick, and full of fast and tiny detail- a mad calliope of hyper-mepp!* What seems an unlikely combination- a micro-tonal violinist, an electro-acoustic laptop player, and a free jazz and klezmer-influenced drummer- yields something quite unheard of, brought forth from an intent and intense communicatory fire-storm of electro-acoustic sound. *Mepp: the jazz of the future today! Check piece on this show in current Cambridge Chronicle: http://www.townonline.com/cambridge/arts_lifestyle/arts_lifestyle/cam_artccfrontier12312002.htm @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate Doors @ 8pm (exc. where noted) All shows $10 (exc. where noted) all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 16:35:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32684; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.171.0.230] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 15:31:07 -0600 Subject: Re: New year, new member From: Stendek To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2003 21:33:28.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C390480:01C2B1DD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 12/31/02 10:54 PM, "Stan Card" wrote: > welcome and lets all say g'bye to the last palendromic(LOOP) year fer awhile > s > >> Howdy, >> >> I've been making use of the LD archives over the past >> weeks, & I'm finally joining up to make your >> aquaintance(s) and hopefully make use of your >> expertise. >> >> I've been interested in delays & looping since I >> bought a Boss SE-50 off a friend 10 years ago. I've >> been swinging more towards looping technology, which I >> use in my band, Bete Noire. >> >> Based out of Seattle, I'm a working musician (in both >> senses) and I've recently fallen in love with a new >> used Vortex. Working on combing it with a RDS 7.6, >> that SE-50 I still use and others; & I'll be trying to >> work MIDI controllers into the FX loop/preamp mess >> soon. >> >> Generally I'm not a list user, but this seems to be >> right up my alley. >> >> See you next year! >> >> Joel.B >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >> http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> > Now that I have been made aware of it's palendromic qualities, I really miss 2002!!!! LOL Welcome aboard Joel. I hope to hear some of your stuff on the Files page soon! Stendek From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 16:40:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00684; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:40:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:40:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01dd01c2b1dd$a67a0ae0$0100007f@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: Subject: Re: Votes of Cure Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:33:58 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C2B0E2.0987FE00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <5cLwND.A.mK.9A2E-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C2B0E2.0987FE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bom ... ainda bem que nada grave aconteceu ... espero se recupero pronto = ... muita saude e tranquilidade pare este 2003 que nao vai ser facil = ... abra=E7ao ! julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthias Grob=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Votes of Cure Hi my friends! I did not follow your conversation for a while. Me and my companheira escaped from death by very little while playing=20 in the sand at a steep beach. I had just left the place when a whole=20 mountain of sand stone came down and by some miracle did not burry=20 her but launched her about 20m away and only left her with a broken=20 leg and some smaller insures and a trauma. So I was dealing with Brasilian health system and wheel chairs and=20 learned what it means to care for someone full time. Its all going to be fine again. I also made live looping music in a clinic for some older depressive=20 patients and felt it was serious, useful work I want to develop more. We also had a magic tea ritual that makes me wish for all of us: Our music has a huge curing potential for a world that urgently needs = it! Its a long way without screaming success but little steps of=20 evolution that brings us true gratitude and happiness. First we cure ourselves by looping back what we put out. Then when we find the equilibrium and technique to play relaxed and=20 "in tune", we can use the good vibes to cure others and finally the=20 wave will spread in space, since distance is not a limitation for=20 such energy. Sure I wish you can learn and profit from all the tools and functions=20 that we created with big effort and help of many of you... ...but I wish much more that you become aware of the magic power of=20 music and find ways to turn it useful for yourself and other and help=20 to cure the world! love and light Matthias --=20 ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org ------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C2B0E2.0987FE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
bom ... ainda bem que nada grave = aconteceu ...=20 espero se recupero pronto ... muita saude  e tranquilidade  = pare=20 este  2003 que nao vai ser facil ... abra=E7ao !
julio
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matthias Grob=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, = 2002 3:08=20 PM
Subject: Votes of Cure

Hi my friends!

I did not follow your = conversation for a=20 while.
Me and my companheira escaped from death by very little = while=20 playing
in the sand at a steep beach. I had just left the place = when a=20 whole
mountain of sand stone came down and by some miracle did not = burry=20
her but launched her about 20m away and only left her with a = broken=20
leg and some smaller insures and a trauma.
So I was dealing = with=20 Brasilian health system and wheel chairs and
learned what it means = to care=20 for someone full time.
Its all going to be fine again.

I = also made=20 live looping music in a clinic for some older depressive
patients = and felt=20 it was serious, useful work I want to develop more.

We also had = a magic=20 tea ritual that makes me wish for all of us:

Our music has a = huge=20 curing potential for a world that urgently needs it!
Its a long way = without=20 screaming success but little steps of
evolution that brings us = true=20 gratitude and happiness.

First we cure ourselves by looping = back what=20 we put out.
Then when we find the equilibrium and technique to play = relaxed=20 and
"in tune", we can use the good vibes to cure others and = finally the=20
wave will spread in space, since distance is not a limitation for =
such=20 energy.

Sure I wish you can learn and profit from all the tools = and=20 functions
that we created with big effort and help of many of=20 you...
...but I wish much more that you become aware of the magic = power of=20
music and find ways to turn it useful for yourself and other and = help=20
to cure the world!

love and light
Matthias
--=20


          = ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C2B0E2.0987FE00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 16:58:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01251; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:53:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:53:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 13:57:04 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New year, new member In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <4M9eu.A.dT.rN2E-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:54 PM -0800 12/31/02, Stan Card wrote: >welcome and lets all say g'bye to the last palendromic(LOOP) year fer awhile At 3:31 PM -0600 1/1/03, Stendek wrote: >Now that I have been made aware of it's palendromic qualities, I really miss >2002!!!! LOL There were quite a few palindrome years during the first millennium, but it dropped off as the number of digits increased. The first century is the all-time winner, with eighteen (1 2 3...11 22 etc.). The rest of the first millennium had just nine each (101 111 121 ... 191), and now it's down to one per century (1001 1111 1221...1991 2002 etc.). Once in a while there's a year that reads the same rotated (1691 1961) and the are are a rare few that are the same upside down (1001 1881). Our next palindrome will be in 2112. I can barely wait! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 16:59:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01572; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:57:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c2b1e0$98cf2c60$cb464ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: New year, new member Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:56:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <-9yuQD.A.eY.fR2E-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Our next palindrome will be in 2112. I can barely wait! ...nor can Rush - the deluxe edition release is already pressed up and waiting... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.stevelawson.net www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk www.pmrecords.gemm.com www.solobassnetwork.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 17:57:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04877; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:51:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:51:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E13714C.D3574518@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 17:53:00 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New year, new member References: <006701c2b1e0$98cf2c60$cb464ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually I'm sad I won't be around just to see what they'd make of it. Scott Steve Lawson wrote: > > > Our next palindrome will be in 2112. I can barely wait! > > ...nor can Rush - the deluxe edition release is already pressed up and > waiting... :o) > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > www.stevelawson.net > www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk > www.pmrecords.gemm.com > www.solobassnetwork.org.uk -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 1 18:02:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05295; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:00:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:00:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030101185705.02db3d10@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ambienttuba@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:57:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: Re: Line6 Pedal Owners Beware In-Reply-To: <61.2b79a816.2b444c73@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_63236734==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_63236734==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for the tip! At 08:51 AM 1/1/03 -0500, you wrote: > Anyway, this could all have been avoided if I had just tightened the > hex nuts on the switches every once in a while. If you have a Line6 > stompbox and you use it a lot I would torque the hex nuts on the switches > every once in a while to make sure they don't come loose. If I can save > just one person a lot of irritation or some money then I have done my 1 > good deed for the New Year. =-) PJ Tom Heasley.com --=====================_63236734==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the tip!

At 08:51 AM 1/1/03 -0500, you wrote:
    Anyway, this could all have been avoided if I had just tightened the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while. If you have a Line6 stompbox and you use it a lot I would torque the hex nuts on the switches every once in a while to make sure they don't come loose. If I can save just one person a lot of irritation or some money then I have done my 1 good deed for the New Year.                                 =-) PJ

Tom Heasley.com
 --=====================_63236734==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 02:47:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28610; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:46:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:46:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 23:46:26 -0800 Subject: OT: Rewinding a DAT tape From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a DAT tape that won't rewind through the first 30 seconds or so. Any advice? I'm hoping I have another copy of the original material, but it may be on a cassette that's suffered further aging so I'd like to get it off the DAT if possible. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 04:13:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01592; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:12:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:12:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.29dd8800.2b455c59@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:11:53 EST Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It seemed > reasonable to me at the time, because I'd expect piezos to pick up > more of the spectral complexity of the attack (harder to analyze) > whereas a magnetic pickup would reproduce the sustain portion more > cleanly. Any pickup gurus have an opinion. 1) aren't the piezos under the bridge, which is the ideal position? 2) as to the "spectral density of the attack" , perhaps less of a problem with nylon, as the high frequencies are damped. andy butler (not a guru, just chipping in) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 04:46:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02636; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:45:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:45:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.1c1cc137.2b456453@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:45:55 EST Subject: Loop Math Demo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <4LIPxD.A.Gp.VpAF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Following the recent threads on loops/math/music here's a new years present. (sorry it only works with Internet Explorer) Life just sit back and watch life evolve some patterns die out some are stable some form loops andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 06:34:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09621; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:33:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:33:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Rewinding a DAT tape Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:33:21 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000501c2b252$c2dc8710$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA09595 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Marc, I've been struggling with this problem quite a lot in studios over the years. It's caused by a broken time code on the tape and some DAT players (mostly the high quality studio machines, in my experience) can not pass by a tape region with no time code. Personally I have owned two cheap DAT recorders from CASIO and both these machines can pass such a tape area, but only if driven in fast forward/backward. It looks to me as the cheap machine doesn't have such "sophisticated breaks" as all the pro gear. It kind of goes. "Oh-oh... Here's an are with no time code (freaking out), I gotta stop, I gotta stop..... Oh, oh, too late. Oh, well..." Once in a studio with a very expensive DAT we got this problem and I happened to keep my cheapo in my gig bag and was able to "repair" the tape by first doing a blanc recording over the non-time-stamped area and then re-indexing it in the Casio DAT. To prevent being stuck with this problem always be careful to start a new recording where the previous one is ending. Then the system of the tape machine will keep an unbroken line of program numbers for all recordings on the tape, and everyone should be happy :-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > Skickat: den 2 januari 2003 08:46 > Till: Looper's Delight > Ämne: OT: Rewinding a DAT tape > > > I've got a DAT tape that won't rewind through the first 30 > seconds or so. Any advice? I'm hoping I have another copy of > the original material, but it may be on a cassette that's > suffered further aging so I'd like to get it off the DAT if possible. > > Thanks. > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 10:35:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27367; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:34:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:34:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c2b274$30fc8080$97554ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: another indie sales site that might be worth investigating... Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:32:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and of you had any dealings with www.galaxydiscs.com ? looks like a good deal for the artists - don't know how much exposure the provide... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.) www.stevelawson.net (the side-door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 10:55:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28125; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:44:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 07:42:29 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar In-reply-to: <3c.29dd8800.2b455c59@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3c.29dd8800.2b455c59@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:11 AM -0500 1/2/03, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >1) aren't the piezos under the bridge, which is the ideal position? The RMC system has a separate sensor element in each string saddle. I imagine this would cause them to pick up a lot of the higher frequencies of the attack transient, just as I'd expect a single piezo under the bridge to be balanced somewhat more in favor of body resonance. But then, I'm just guessing. >2) as to the "spectral density of the attack" , perhaps less of > a problem with nylon, as the high frequencies are damped. Yes. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30585; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:00:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:00:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.94.223.49] From: "water cat" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater, updated or not Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:59:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 15:59:39.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[F49DCD70:01C2B277] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi~

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to tell if a repeater is one of the older ones that needs updating from electrix, if one isn't actually able to hear or use it first.

Thanks,

Peter.




 

MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:04:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30841; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [looper's] production fretless guitar Thread-Index: AcKydukRijNYe27hTIuJ/MGhpRimowAD0n9g From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 16:03:24.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AADDEF0:01C2B278] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30816 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers out there with money. -------------------- Question from: dragun@witty.com Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! Seller: aliengtr Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST Price: Starts at $14,000.00 To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this than from even being on this list!!! haha Denis denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:48:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32485; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:33:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:33:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:33:17 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Fretless MIDI guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200301012135.QAA00345@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard, My understanding of the Godin/RMC system is that it outputs the acoustic signal (pitch information) for each string on separate channels. RMC has modified the piezo output to maximize it for eventual processing via pitch to MIDI converters, i.e. made it less prone to glitches. From there it is up to the pitch to MIDI converter to unravel all this information. I use both the Roland GR-33 and the Axon AX100-SB. Both of these units convert the pitch information to the nearest 12 tone equal temperament note. Plus of course the appropriate amount of pitch bend. Each unit has the option of not outputting the pitch bend information, which is nice when using a piano or organ patch. A fretless guitar run through a pitch to MIDI converter with the pitch bend information turned off would sound remarkably like a fretted guitar. In other words, and to specifically answer Richard's question, if you play a note within 50 cents (half a semitone) either side of middle C with a fretless guitar, the pitch to MIDI device will output the note "C" plus the appropriate pitch bend information (or not). Another note played within 50 cents either side of C# will trigger a new note as "C#". The only time this doesn't hold true is when you pluck a note and then slide your finger up or down the string. The note has already been activated and chosen and then the pitch bend information is sent to modify that note up or down an octave or more. As most guitars cannot play more than two octaves on each string, I don't know what the limit of that pitch bend information is. This causes more or less perceptible artifacts depending on the patch. C3 has a different timbre on most MIDI sound modules than a C2 that has been pitch bent up an octave. This is a long winded way of saying that the Godin fretless synth access guitar will probably work well with either the Roland GR series or the Axon/Yamaha guitar synths. Once a note has been chosen, the nearest MIDI note is then applied. Other posts have come up around the quality of sound coming from the RMC pickups. I can personally vouch for the Godin/RMC combination, the sound of my nylon Multiac is extremely satisfying to my ears as a classical guitarist. The piezos on the Godin electric guitars are made by L.R.Baggs and I do not have any experience with them. Richard McClish (aka RMC) frequents both the MIDI guitar and VG-8 lists. I know him to be a respectful person and both helpful for newbies and old pro's as well as interested in learning and ironing out problems. SVG Richard Zvonar wrote: A fretless MIDI guitar has interesting implications. Presumably this Godin instrument is outfitted with the RMC pickups and outputs six acoustic signals to your MIDI convertor of choice. The convertor then outputs a MIDI note and pitch bend message, but what happens when you're playing "in the cracks"? My Peavey Cyberbass has an interesting MIDI mode whereby each string outputs one MIDI note plus a pitch bend value within a two octave range. That is, as you play up and down the string the note doesn't change, just the pitch bend value. This could work well on a fretless MIDI guitar, but I'm don't know if this mode exisits on any guitar-to-MIDI interfaces. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:48:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00604; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:45:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:45:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102105252.03178f48@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:55:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, From: Catilyne Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) In-Reply-To: <001801c2b27d$80d08300$0201a8c0@eluk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da man. ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses >8-) > > > > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that >price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers >out there with money. > > -------------------- > > > > > > Question from: dragun@witty.com > > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! > > Seller: aliengtr > > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST > > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST > > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 > > To view the item, go to: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 > > > > > > > > > > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this >than from even being on this list!!! haha > > Denis > > > > denis Taaffe > > denis@dtguitar.com > > http://www.dtguitar.com > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:49:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32580; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:35:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c2b27d$80d08300$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:39:16 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers out there with money. > -------------------- > > > Question from: dragun@witty.com > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! > Seller: aliengtr > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 > To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 > > > > > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this than from even being on this list!!! haha > Denis > > denis Taaffe > denis@dtguitar.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > ) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:55:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00742; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:47:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:47:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Thread-Index: AcKyfgpm10G57mX4SgeoXXGoV+Ts1wAEJe0Q From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 16:47:01.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[92D485A0:01C2B27E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA00717 Resent-Message-ID: <47NtjB.A.gL.H0GF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com laugh now, but remember you could of had a deal before it went for $250,000 at sotheby's, buddy!! 8-) Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers out there with money. > -------------------- > > > Question from: dragun@witty.com > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! > Seller: aliengtr > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 > To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 > > > > > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this than from even being on this list!!! haha > Denis > > denis Taaffe > denis@dtguitar.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > ) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 11:55:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00782; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:47:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:43:54 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: repeater, updated or not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E146C4A.9B99C548@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: <9hwcX.A.IM.b0GF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was really only one version of the Repeater, however, some of the first batch had a bad component that made it so you could not upgrade to v. 1.1 of the software. Electrix was fixing this issue for free, and since the warrantees are being honored by TC Electronics I bet they're still doing this for free. If you turn on a Repeater and it boots up saying, " Repeater OS 1.1" then you've got the latest greatest. Version 1.1 added a few nice features like a dry mute mode, but was mostly a bug fix. If you're purchasing a Repeater, welcome. Though often misunderstood and maligned, it's one of the coolest pieces of looping gear ever made, IMO. That said, vs. 1.1 *isn't* bug free. Rick Walker has trouble when he tries to use control midi functions with a Yamaha wind controller. I don't seem to have any issues of this type, but it may help to post how you intend to use the Repeater before you buy one. There are some limitations. Another one that pisses people off is that there's a slight volume "bump" at the end of a loop. I can only hear it if I do a drone that's pretty much one steady note, like from a synth pad. I normally never hear it, even though I do a lot of ambient music. Mark Sottilaro water cat wrote: > > Hi~ > > I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to tell if a repeater is one > of the older ones that needs updating from electrix, if one isn't > actually able to hear or use it first. > > Thanks, > > Peter. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 12:07:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01960; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:57:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Thread-Index: AcKyfyHdJpkw8I9GT06otdaQbMAeGgAECGow From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 16:57:42.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[10A91670:01C2B280] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA01935 Resent-Message-ID: <6_BDrC.A.ie.I-GF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com defininitely, come on!!! Those foreign investors will buy anything as long as it's USA!! YEAH!!!! LOL got sa few bidders already,but they keep asking questions,like "does it come with gold frame? does it include studio it was recorded in? etc..." haha Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtgutiar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da man. ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses >8-) > > > > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that >price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers >out there with money. > > -------------------- > > > > > > Question from: dragun@witty.com > > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! > > Seller: aliengtr > > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST > > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST > > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 > > To view the item, go to: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 > > > > > > > > > > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this >than from even being on this list!!! haha > > Denis > > > > denis Taaffe > > denis@dtguitar.com > > http://www.dtguitar.com > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 12:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03345; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:00:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:00:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:00:59 -0500 Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102105252.03178f48@icicle.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com full marks for self promotion... but you're really not "nominated" for a grammy in the traditional sense until the initial voting... we could all be nominated for grammies in that sense... semantics. i have a friend and an aquaintance (sp?) or two who have won grammies. it's a long complicated political popularity contest that is mostly about hiring the right folks to work the RIAA members. i'm not sure it's really something toward which to aspire. but, to each his or her own..... On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Catilyne wrote: > And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da > man. ;) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 > > > At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >> Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >> Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny >> responses >> 8-) >> >> >> > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them >> for that >> price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of >> suckers >> out there with money. >> > -------------------- >> > >> > >> > Question from: dragun@witty.com >> > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! >> > Seller: aliengtr >> > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST >> > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST >> > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 >> > To view the item, go to: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail >> from this >> than from even being on this list!!! haha >> > Denis >> > >> > denis Taaffe >> > denis@dtguitar.com >> > http://www.dtguitar.com >> > >> > ) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 12:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04529; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:12:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:12:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.113.246.82] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:10:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 17:10:47.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[E45E3620:01C2B281] Resent-Message-ID: <_55iPC.A.rGB.KMHF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How can I be sure this is genuine "Dennis Taaffe"? There are a lot of forgeries out there Besides, I only collect Taaffe on vinyl as my 1x10^38 hz ears can't stand cd From: "Taaffe, Denis G" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc3-f13.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.148]) by mc3-s21.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:09:49 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc3-f13.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:08:52 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30840;Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [looper's] production fretless guitar Thread-Index: AcKydukRijNYe27hTIuJ/MGhpRimowAD0n9g X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 16:03:24.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AADDEF0:01C2B278] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30816 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers out there with money. -------------------- Question from: dragun@witty.com Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! Seller: aliengtr Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST Price: Starts at $14,000.00 To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this than from even being on this list!!! haha Denis denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com ) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 12:40:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05800; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:29:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:29:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:28:37 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Thread-Index: AcKygnSOqNtiT/IHS/+GVFxtStNOUAAD38PA From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 17:28:37.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[6232D180:01C2B284] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA05775 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mr.monk, now now, semantics and humour do not mix. I am fully aware that I being considered for a nomination fo a grammy award in 9 categories and that the top 5 in each category will be actual grammy nominees. nominations to be announced jan.07!! Wow, wish I had the $$ to hire soem people to work over the RIAA members, do you mean NARAS people who run the grammies. Dammn, where is tania harding when you need her, hell I dont even have a label to push me along, must resort to the lowest forms of self promotions.My next slef promotions entales defication at a public mall but nto before I call the evening news and tell them to get down to the mall,some guy is crappin all over the place.LOL Cool, Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.cm -----Original Message----- From: mr.monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) full marks for self promotion... but you're really not "nominated" for a grammy in the traditional sense until the initial voting... we could all be nominated for grammies in that sense... semantics. i have a friend and an aquaintance (sp?) or two who have won grammies. it's a long complicated political popularity contest that is mostly about hiring the right folks to work the RIAA members. i'm not sure it's really something toward which to aspire. but, to each his or her own..... On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Catilyne wrote: > And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da > man. ;) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 > > > At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >> Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >> Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny >> responses >> 8-) >> >> >> > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them >> for that >> price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of >> suckers >> out there with money. >> > -------------------- >> > >> > >> > Question from: dragun@witty.com >> > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! >> > Seller: aliengtr >> > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST >> > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST >> > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 >> > To view the item, go to: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail >> from this >> than from even being on this list!!! haha >> > Denis >> > >> > denis Taaffe >> > denis@dtguitar.com >> > http://www.dtguitar.com >> > >> > ) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 12:46:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05284; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:23:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:23:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:23:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Thread-Index: AcKygmIito1VaGJ9QHGfmOaqi5kVvQAD+t1Q From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 17:23:09.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E9CEEE0:01C2B283] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA05263 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well the fact that it is a scratch and sniff bonus CD ,you csn just tell from the smell of the packing materials.smells a littel liek greasy salami, that's a dead giveaway that it's a taaffe orginal,also the riffs on the CD are pretty good guitar wise,another dead giveaway, but yeah taafe on vynil is awesome!!! I got the taaffe meets les paul and fruitof theloom boys band on vynil, its sweet, almsot as sweet as halen with sammy,ozzy climbing on randy and the like Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: James Winger [mailto:jdwinger@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) How can I be sure this is genuine "Dennis Taaffe"? There are a lot of forgeries out there Besides, I only collect Taaffe on vinyl as my 1x10^38 hz ears can't stand cd From: "Taaffe, Denis G" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc3-f13.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.148]) by mc3-s21.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:09:49 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc3-f13.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:08:52 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30840;Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [looper's] production fretless guitar Thread-Index: AcKydukRijNYe27hTIuJ/MGhpRimowAD0n9g X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 16:03:24.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AADDEF0:01C2B278] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30816 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them for that price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of suckers out there with money. -------------------- Question from: dragun@witty.com Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! Seller: aliengtr Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST Price: Starts at $14,000.00 To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail from this than from even being on this list!!! haha Denis denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com ) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 13:03:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06939; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:46:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:46:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:47:14 -0500 Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3AA50518-1E7A-11D7-874B-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my bad, of course i meant NARAS... On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: > mr.monk, > now now, semantics and humour do not mix. I am fully aware that I > being considered for a nomination fo a grammy award in 9 categories > and that the top 5 in each category will be actual grammy nominees. > nominations to be announced jan.07!! Wow, wish I had the $$ to hire > soem people to work over the RIAA members, do you mean NARAS people > who run the grammies. Dammn, where is tania harding when you need her, > hell I dont even have a label to push me along, must resort to the > lowest forms of self promotions.My next slef promotions entales > defication at a public mall but nto before I call the evening news and > tell them to get down to the mall,some guy is crappin all over the > place.LOL > Cool, > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis@dtguitar.com > http://www.dtguitar.cm > > -----Original Message----- > From: mr.monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny > responses 8-) > > > full marks for self promotion... but you're really not "nominated" for > a grammy in the traditional sense until the initial voting... we could > all be nominated for grammies in that sense... semantics. i have a > friend and an aquaintance (sp?) or two who have won grammies. it's a > long complicated political popularity contest that is mostly about > hiring the right folks to work the RIAA members. i'm not sure it's > really something toward which to aspire. but, to each his or her > own..... > > > > On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Catilyne wrote: > >> And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da >> man. ;) >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 >> >> >> At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >>> Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >>> Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny >>> responses >>> 8-) >>> >>> >>>> Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them >>> for that >>> price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of >>> suckers >>> out there with money. >>>> -------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> Question from: dragun@witty.com >>>> Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! >>>> Seller: aliengtr >>>> Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST >>>> Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST >>>> Price: Starts at $14,000.00 >>>> To view the item, go to: >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail >>> from this >>> than from even being on this list!!! haha >>>> Denis >>>> >>>> denis Taaffe >>>> denis@dtguitar.com >>>> http://www.dtguitar.com >>>> >>>> ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> _____ >> "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" >> -recoil >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 13:45:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11668; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:42:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c2b28f$4ca75f60$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:45:28 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr.monk" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 17:00:PM Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) > full marks for self promotion... but you're really not "nominated" for > a grammy in the traditional sense until the initial voting... we could > all be nominated for grammies in that sense... semantics. i have a > friend and an aquaintance (sp?) or two who have won grammies. it's a > long complicated political popularity contest that is mostly about > hiring the right folks to work the RIAA members. i'm not sure it's > really something toward which to aspire. but, to each his or her > own..... Hah! This means that as long as the RIAA is involved, I'll never even get mentioned at the Grammys. What a loss. [snicker] http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions > > > On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Catilyne wrote: > > > And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da > > man. ;) > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 > > > > > > At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: > >> Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM > >> Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny > >> responses > >> 8-) > >> > >> > >> > Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them > >> for that > >> price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of > >> suckers > >> out there with money. > >> > -------------------- > >> > > >> > > >> > Question from: dragun@witty.com > >> > Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! > >> > Seller: aliengtr > >> > Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST > >> > Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST > >> > Price: Starts at $14,000.00 > >> > To view the item, go to: > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail > >> from this > >> than from even being on this list!!! haha > >> > Denis > >> > > >> > denis Taaffe > >> > denis@dtguitar.com > >> > http://www.dtguitar.com > >> > > >> > ) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > _____ > > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > > -recoil > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 13:45:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11626; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:42:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:42:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:46:27 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar In-reply-to: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3F7kI.A.k1C.-fIF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:33 AM -0800 1/2/03, S V G wrote: >My understanding of the Godin/RMC system is that it outputs the >acoustic signal (pitch information) for each string on separate >channels. RMC also makes the Freakout Box, which provides individual audio outputs per string. This presents interesting possibilities for surround sound and for string-specific effects processing. >From there it is up to the pitch to MIDI converter to unravel all >this information...if you play a note within 50 cents (half a >semitone) >either side of middle C with a fretless guitar, the pitch to MIDI >device will output the note "C" plus the appropriate pitch bend >information (or not). Another note played within 50 cents either >side of C# will trigger a new note as "C#". The only time this >doesn't hold true is when you pluck a note and then slide your >finger up or down the string. The note has already been >activated and chosen and then the pitch bend information is sent to >modify that note up or down an octave or more. This system has both advantages and disadvantages. It assumes that pitch bends will always start within a semitone of the nominal pitch, but it's quite common for some players to bend down from a whole tone or a minor third above. The system I mention as being available on the Peavey Cyberbass (each string outputs a single MIDI note plus pitch bend within a two octave range) has some interesting possibilities for fretless and even fretted MIDI guitars. For instance, it allows playing with flexible intonation. Microtonal players (whose pitch discrimination can be uncanny) would be able to play guitar synth in Just or other intonations without the synth having microtonal features. Even though many synths have tuning capabilities, it requires switching presets in order to change from one to another. With a MIDI pitch bend based system the intonation would be left entirely to the player. There are certain technical issues related to pitch bend resolution. Unfortunately most MIDI equipment seems to be designed with 7-bit pitch bend and this permits only 128 discrete values. This means that bends are limited to 63 or 64 steps up OR down. With a semitone bend the individual steps are about 1.5 cents; a while tone is about 3.1 cents. Both are OK, but if you stretch 128 values over a two octave range you get pitch increments of nearly 19 cents! The technical solution to this is to use the full two-byte, 14-bit resolution allowed by MIDI, resulting in 16,384 steps and pitch resolution of about 0.15 cents. I don't think there are many sound modules that can match that. The Cyberbass Voice Module and the Oberheim Matrix synths can handle it. >C3 BTW - Middle C is "C4" no matter what Yamaha says. >This is a long winded way of saying that the Godin fretless synth >access guitar will probably work well with either the Roland GR >series or the Axon/Yamaha guitar synths. Not long-winded. Necessarily clear and detailed! >I can personally vouch for the Godin/RMC combination, the sound of >my nylon Multiac is extremely satisfying to my ears as a classical >guitarist. Any comments on the difference between Multiac and ACS-SA? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 13:46:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11713; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:43:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:43:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:43:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) Thread-Index: AcKyiNPfAWJlelEGQTG3iSESlysg9wACtMjg From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 18:43:25.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[D57FAE10:01C2B28E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA11688 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well hey,maybe givign the riaa a nudge aint a bad thought either hehe- 8-) Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: mr.monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) my bad, of course i meant NARAS... On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: > mr.monk, > now now, semantics and humour do not mix. I am fully aware that I > being considered for a nomination fo a grammy award in 9 categories > and that the top 5 in each category will be actual grammy nominees. > nominations to be announced jan.07!! Wow, wish I had the $$ to hire > soem people to work over the RIAA members, do you mean NARAS people > who run the grammies. Dammn, where is tania harding when you need her, > hell I dont even have a label to push me along, must resort to the > lowest forms of self promotions.My next slef promotions entales > defication at a public mall but nto before I call the evening news and > tell them to get down to the mall,some guy is crappin all over the > place.LOL > Cool, > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis@dtguitar.com > http://www.dtguitar.cm > > -----Original Message----- > From: mr.monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny > responses 8-) > > > full marks for self promotion... but you're really not "nominated" for > a grammy in the traditional sense until the initial voting... we could > all be nominated for grammies in that sense... semantics. i have a > friend and an aquaintance (sp?) or two who have won grammies. it's a > long complicated political popularity contest that is mostly about > hiring the right folks to work the RIAA members. i'm not sure it's > really something toward which to aspire. but, to each his or her > own..... > > > > On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Catilyne wrote: > >> And for only $17,000 you can get a gen-u-wine autographed photo of da >> man. ;) >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934606066 >> >> >> At 04:39 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, S.P. Goodman wrote: >>> Bwahahahaha! $25k if you Buy it Now! :) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 16:03:PM >>> Subject: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny >>> responses >>> 8-) >>> >>> >>>> Man, you have some set of balls. I hope you sell hundreds of them >>> for that >>> price. Best of luck and lets hope for your sake there are alot of >>> suckers >>> out there with money. >>>> -------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> Question from: dragun@witty.com >>>> Title of item: autographed guitarist Denis Taaffe CD!!!!! >>>> Seller: aliengtr >>>> Starts: Jan-01-03 01:09:15 PST >>>> Ends: Jan-08-03 01:09:15 PST >>>> Price: Starts at $14,000.00 >>>> To view the item, go to: >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=934607260 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey why not, its worth a try!! aha I have gotten more hate mail >>> from this >>> than from even being on this list!!! haha >>>> Denis >>>> >>>> denis Taaffe >>>> denis@dtguitar.com >>>> http://www.dtguitar.com >>>> >>>> ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> _____ >> "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" >> -recoil >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 14:01:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12600; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:52:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:52:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102125904.0317dbd8@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:02:12 -0600 To: From: Catilyne Subject: RE: ebay outrage!!! autogrpahed CD for $14,000?! and funny responses 8-) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:43 PM 1/2/2003 -0500, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: >well hey,maybe givign the riaa a nudge aint a bad thought either hehe- 8-) A nudge, eh? As in "off the side of a cliff", perhaps? <*evil grin*> -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 14:35:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16850; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:35:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:35:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E149803.53B3B27C@jps.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:50:28 -0800 From: Dan Shapiro Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Organization: PT MEDIA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------659EDC1E075B132626B2CC1F" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------659EDC1E075B132626B2CC1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --------------659EDC1E075B132626B2CC1F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --------------659EDC1E075B132626B2CC1F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 14:49:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17621; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:48:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:48:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102131103.032b0c18@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:58:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar In-Reply-To: References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:46 AM 1/2/2003 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote: >The system I mention as being available on the Peavey Cyberbass (each >string outputs a single MIDI note plus pitch bend within a two octave >range) has some interesting possibilities for fretless and even fretted >MIDI guitars. For instance, it allows playing with flexible intonation. >Microtonal players (whose pitch discrimination can be uncanny) would be >able to play guitar synth in Just or other intonations without the synth >having microtonal features. Even though many synths have tuning >capabilities, it requires switching presets in order to change from one to >another. With a MIDI pitch bend based system the intonation would be left >entirely to the player. > >There are certain technical issues related to pitch bend resolution. >[*snip*] ...The Cyberbass Voice Module and the Oberheim Matrix synths can >handle it. I really like the concept, but as you mention there are some issues which have to be taken into account, primarily by the receiving sound module. Another consideration is the ability of the synth to properly handle MIDI Mode 4 (guitar mode), since you don't want the pitch-bend messages from each string interfering with each other (as they would in Modes 1&2). You could get away with this in Multi-Mode (Mode 3), but it might be a real pain on some synths, as you'd have to go in and manually program a separate preset for each channel/string. In addition to the modules you mentioned above (I've got a Matrix 1000 which works great for this, BTW), I'd also recommend some of the later Sequential stuff as well. I can personally vouch for the Prophet 2002, Prophet VS, and Studio 440. I'm also curious if there are any current MIDI processing programs out there which could accomplish a similar function on existing hardware (i.e. take an incoming MIDI note number then map it to a MIDI note + pitchbend value). I think I mentioned previously that I used to use an Atari program called UltraMidi with my Yamaha G-10 to accomplish something similar (although there were other problems which I won't go into here). It's obviously not the same as doing microtonal work on a fretless (for one, the fingering differences would be monumental), but it would be nice to be able use one's existing axe and existing sound-modules yet still call up different microtonal scales at the push of a switch. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 15:04:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19720; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:01:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:01:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030102155054.02d29100@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ambienttuba@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:00:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: LA Gig Jan. 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_139028620==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_139028620==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Happy Loop Year to all. Gig's in Valencia, actually: http://shoko.calarts.edu/ceait03/ or http://music.calarts.edu/. Best, Tom Tom Heasley.com --=====================_139028620==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Happy Loop Year to all.

Gig's in Valencia, actually: http://shoko.calarts.edu/ceait03/  or http://music.calarts.edu/. 

Best,

Tom

Tom Heasley.com
 --=====================_139028620==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 16:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25186; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:18:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:18:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:20:25 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102131103.032b0c18@icicle.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030102131103.032b0c18@icicle.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:58 PM -0600 1/2/03, Catilyne wrote: >In addition to the modules you mentioned above (I've got a Matrix >1000 which works great for this, BTW), I'd also recommend some of >the later Sequential stuff as well. I can personally vouch for the >Prophet 2002, Prophet VS, and Studio 440. These are all older models designed by some of the inventors of MIDI. It's unfortunate that certain features have not been implemented in newer instruments. For instance, something I've always enjoyed is MIDI Note Off velocity. My Oberheim Xk keyboard sends this, and my Eventide H3000 can respond to it, so that a parameter could have one value (such as delay feedback) on note on and a different one on note off. Very expressive. Polyphonic Aftertouch is another MIDI message that go lost in the shuffle. Even in "the day" it was almost unseen on cheaper instruments. >I'm also curious if there are any current MIDI processing programs >out there which could accomplish a similar function on existing >hardware (i.e. take an incoming MIDI note number then map it to a >MIDI note + pitchbend value). I could whip one up in a few minutes with Max: Use the incoming note number as an index to a table of pitch bend values and send these out along with a note message at a fixed note number. There are no doubt some other MIDI programming languages that could do this, and there are even some hardware pieces that might. >I used to use an Atari program called UltraMidi with my Yamaha G-10 >to accomplish something similar Circa 1987. They've since gone uptown. http://www.mindovermidi.com/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 17:49:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30839; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:46:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:46:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:45:01 -0800 From: Patrick Bolan Subject: Percussion on acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: pbolan@csiconstruction.com Message-id: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> Organization: CSI Construction MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_d9T040SQNgIhKSczb53nLg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_d9T040SQNgIhKSczb53nLg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, I need some advice about looping and percussion. I recently saw Phil Keaggy in concert, and he used his acoustic guitar to create clean sharp percussion that simulated the sounds of kick drum or hi-hat as part of the loop (he used a Jamman and Line 6). When I tried it, my percussion sounded extremely muddled. Here's my question: How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic guitar? I have a Taylor 914ce, with a Fishman under-the-saddle pickup. I am a good guitarist, but just starting to explore looping with a Boss RC-20. Any suggestions about percussion on the body of an acoustic guitar would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance, Patrick in Portland, Oregon. --Boundary_(ID_d9T040SQNgIhKSczb53nLg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi, I need some advice about looping and percussion…

 

I recently saw Phil Keaggy in concert, and he used his acoustic guitar to create clean sharp percussion that simulated the sounds of kick drum or hi-hat as part of the loop (he used a Jamman and Line 6).    When I tried it, my percussion sounded extremely muddled.  Here’s my question:

 

How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic guitar?

 

I have a Taylor 914ce, with a Fishman under-the-saddle pickup.  I am a good guitarist, but just starting to explore looping with a Boss RC-20.  Any suggestions about percussion on the body of an acoustic guitar would be very appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Patrick in Portland, Oregon.

--Boundary_(ID_d9T040SQNgIhKSczb53nLg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 18:36:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02072; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:36:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:36:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Darinflame@aol.com Message-ID: <128.1f33795c.2b4626cb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:35:39 EST Subject: Re: User Error To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_128.1f33795c.2b4626cb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_128.1f33795c.2b4626cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/26/2002 12:44:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > Loopstock 2003 tell me about this! :) darin flame drake ~~~~~~~~ for projects and sites of Producer DFlame VISIT on the WEB : WWW..T R I P N O T R O N I C R E C O R D S.COM and .WWW.JUNGLEJIVESTUDIOS...COM and WWW .BigVideoProductions.COM --part1_128.1f33795c.2b4626cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/26/2002 12:44:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:


Loopstock 2003


tell me about this!

:)
darin flame drake
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for projects and sites of Producer DFlame
         VISIT on the WEB :
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  --part1_128.1f33795c.2b4626cb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 18:49:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02651; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:46:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:46:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:31:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 1/2/03 10:46 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > RMC also makes the Freakout Box, which provides individual audio > outputs per string. This presents interesting possibilities for > surround sound and for string-specific effects processing. I don't want most of the modeling on the VG-8/88 so I haven't been able to justify getting a hex pickup and getting a VG-88, but I really could be more tempted by a hex pickup if I could just get a good hex fuzz for it. The RMC breakout box plus six fuzz pedals, however, does not seem cost effective. Maybe the Boss PolyOctave does that but it certainly isn't clear from the online information as to whether the distortion is per string or not. Mark P.S. As a poor man's hex-a-fuzz substitute, has anyone tried the PAiA Quadrafuzz? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:05:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05171; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:04:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:04:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c2b2bb$64119ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:02:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" > Richard McClish (aka RMC) frequents both the MIDI > guitar and VG-8 lists. Where's subscription info for a MIDI gtr list? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:28:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06612; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:25:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:25:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E14CA80.25AA31C8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:25:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hexfuzz (was Re: Fretless MIDI guitar) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that is the point of the PolyOctave, but I could be wrong. Speaking of Hexfuzz, some of the most beautiful fuzzy tone comes from Matthais' little self made box. I don't know much about it, but the tone he gets is pretty amazing. I wonder why he hasn't tried to commercially produce it. Mark Sottilaro Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 1/2/03 10:46 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > > > RMC also makes the Freakout Box, which provides individual audio > > outputs per string. This presents interesting possibilities for > > surround sound and for string-specific effects processing. > > I don't want most of the modeling on the VG-8/88 so I haven't been able to > justify getting a hex pickup and getting a VG-88, but I really could be more > tempted by a hex pickup if I could just get a good hex fuzz for it. The RMC > breakout box plus six fuzz pedals, however, does not seem cost effective. > Maybe the Boss PolyOctave does that but it certainly isn't clear from the > online information as to whether the distortion is per string or not. > > Mark > > P.S. As a poor man's hex-a-fuzz substitute, has anyone tried the PAiA > Quadrafuzz? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:35:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06957; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:32:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:32:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c2b2bf$28e52a00$2961f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200301021655.LAA01545@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: $14,000 for Dennis Taffes' excellent CD Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:29:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <1iltw.A.nsB.DoNF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jeez louise, Dennis, I sell my CDs numbered and autographed for $15 on Loopers Delight. Maybe I ought to up my prices. What do you think guys? In the loopers delight bargain bin: CLOSEOUT LOOPING MUSIC SALE Rick Walker's Loop.pooL TRANSLUCENT DAYGLO LIME GREEN PLASTIC on sale for a limited time only: $1,500/CD get 'em while the gettin's good. LOL, Happy New Year everyone. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:37:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07181; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:30:07 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar In-reply-to: <009601c2b2bb$64119ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <009601c2b2bb$64119ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0JIrXD.A.HwB.AqNF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:02 PM -0500 1/2/03, David Beardsley wrote: >Where's subscription info for a MIDI gtr list? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:44:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08068; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:41:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:41:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:40:23 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: [looper's] cheap n' dirty To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E14DBF6.FC1A7AC7@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just had a wonderful afternoon with a Tascam Portastudio I got for $20 and an endless answering machine tape. The classic lo-fi four-track 30-second looper. I left the patch cord from my normal rig in track 1 and used a footswitch to punch in and out, switching the record buss to a new track when I got 30 really great seconds going. I generally used the "tape cue" section to mix the tracks out to the phones jack; using the mix section sends all the actively playing tracks to the currently recording track, which can be a fun way to pile up tracks too. I'm sure this has been done many, many times by folks on the list, but I highly recommend revisiting it for those of you who don't have Repeaters (or even those who do) - it's a wonderful feeling of control to have four tracks, each with a VU level meter, EQ (when in mix) and a fader, and to be able to re-record a few seconds on the fly anywhere in the loop. for cheap! and with that lovable cassette sound (overdrive at will). whee, Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:49:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08412; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:47:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:47:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c2b2c1$b6e6b380$1e07a044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> <3E14DBF6.FC1A7AC7@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: [looper's] cheap n' dirty Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:47:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [68.160.7.30] at Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:47:00 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com awesome! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: [looper's] cheap n' dirty > > I've just had a wonderful afternoon with a Tascam Portastudio I got for > $20 and an endless answering machine tape. The classic lo-fi four-track > 30-second looper. I left the patch cord from my normal rig in track 1 > and used a footswitch to punch in and out, switching the record buss to > a new track when I got 30 really great seconds going. I generally used > the "tape cue" section to mix the tracks out to the phones jack; using > the mix section sends all the actively playing tracks to the currently > recording track, which can be a fun way to pile up tracks too. > > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 19:54:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08673; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:52:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:52:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102165510.0362b308@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:01:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030102131103.032b0c18@icicle.net> <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030102131103.032b0c18@icicle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:20 PM 1/2/2003 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 1:58 PM -0600 1/2/03, Catilyne wrote: > >>I can personally vouch for the Prophet 2002, Prophet VS, and Studio 440. > >These are all older models designed by some of the inventors of MIDI. It's >unfortunate that certain features have not been implemented in newer >instruments. Agreed. I likewise regret some of those more esoteric specifications were never more widely implemented. Kurzweil, I think, have also been pretty good at implementing full spec, but they're definitely one of the exceptions. I never fully appreciated Note Off Velocity, but I still hate not having Polyphonic Aftertouch on many modules. It makes emulating guitar and string parts so much easier. Now that some of the original synth & MIDI pioneers (Dave Smith, Roger Linn, Bob Moog) seem to be having success as specialty manufacturers, I'm wondering if perhaps full implementations and real applications of some of those lesser-known controllers might catch on. Ah heck, I can still hope anyway... >>I'm also curious if there are any current MIDI processing programs out >>there which could accomplish a similar function on existing hardware >>(i.e. take an incoming MIDI note number then map it to a MIDI note + >>pitchbend value). > >I could whip one up in a few minutes with Max: Using Max for this had occurred to me, but I'd dismissed it as overkill. However, now that I actually think about it, can't you compile freestanding applications with Max as well? I thought I'd heard that some of the different Pluggo's had been put together like that. I've never been that much of a Max-head, but perhaps I'll dig out a copy anyway. Like you said, shouldn't take much time to crank out such a simple app. >>I used to use an Atari program called UltraMidi with my Yamaha G-10 to >>accomplish something similar > >Circa 1987. They've since gone uptown. > >http://www.mindovermidi.com/ Wow! Damn, Zvonar, you are good! I tried tracking down that program a couple of months back and got absolutely nowhere. Looks like they've got a second generation version of UltraMidi (Slave to MIDI). Might be worth dragging my Atari out of the closet, especially if they've worked out some of the latency issues. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 20:19:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11774; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:18:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:18:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:56:58 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] cheap n' dirty In-reply-to: <3E14DBF6.FC1A7AC7@mhorse.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> <3E14DBF6.FC1A7AC7@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:40 PM -0800 1/2/03, Daryl wrote: >I've just had a wonderful afternoon with a Tascam Portastudio I got for >$20 and an endless answering machine tape. I have a Porta One that I've used in performance as a playback deck. One advantage of this model is that it runs at the same speed as a regular cassette deck (rather than double speed like its big brothers do). This allows you to play back any cassettes you might have lying around (in my case everything from Luigi Nono to Mantovani Christmas music) with the added benefit that two of the four tracks will be playing backwards. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 21:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15969; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:18:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:18:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E14E53A.1C3601DD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 18:19:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [looper's] cheap n' dirty References: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> <3E14DBF6.FC1A7AC7@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, I was just about to sell my Yamaha 4 track tape deck. It's the MTX3 model (http://www.yamaha.com/ycaservice/mp4model/mt3x.htm) and it's a really nice one. I keep it around because it's a good quality tape deck, but I just *never* use it. If I get a decent offer (the last one went for $125 on ebay, I'd let it go for a hundred plus shipping), I'd be happy to give it up to a good looping home. Mark Sottilaro > I've just had a wonderful afternoon with a Tascam Portastudio I got for > $20 and an endless answering machine tape. The classic lo-fi four-track > 30-second looper. I left the patch cord from my normal rig in track 1 > and used a footswitch to punch in and out, switching the record buss to > a new track when I got 30 really great seconds going. I generally used > the "tape cue" section to mix the tracks out to the phones jack; using > the mix section sends all the actively playing tracks to the currently > recording track, which can be a fun way to pile up tracks too. > > I'm sure this has been done many, many times by folks on the list, but I > highly recommend revisiting it for those of you who don't have Repeaters > (or even those who do) - it's a wonderful feeling of control to have > four tracks, each with a VU level meter, EQ (when in mix) and a fader, > and to be able to re-record a few seconds on the fly anywhere in the > loop. for cheap! and with that lovable cassette sound (overdrive at > will). > > whee, > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 21:55:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17294; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:51:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:51:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 21:51:49 -0500 X-Epoch: 1041562309 X-Sasl-enc: Kf+CRMnca+l0YvsEpe4vTw Subject: Re: Percussion on acoustic guitar Message-Id: <20030103025149.A920719AEA@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:45:01 -0800, "Patrick Bolan" said: > How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic > guitar? Yeah, I'm on the same boat as you. I have a Rare Earth blend pickup and LR Baggs I-Beam, and the best result has come from using the mic on the rare earth. But even that sounds muffled. The only way to go as far as I can see, is either use a mic onstage or effects (eq, compression, etc...) The best sound I've gotten is using a combination of both pickups and a condenser mic, and then adding a liitle distortion and eq. You can hear the result here: http://zebox.com/a4/schnack_-_coda.mp3 That is recording at home though, I haven't managed to get a good live sound. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 22:00:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17590; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:57:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:57:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:56:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gemm.com - experiences? Thread-Index: AcKxCppwuAnbZhdRR2Wq5ce1qAuJeQADhYfAAGqDJ3A= From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "Taaffe, Denis G" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2003 02:56:43.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEE75370:01C2B2D3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA17569 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last call before I put the lexicon jamman on ebay, will take $425.00+$10s/h via paypal. so paypal dtaaffe@indiana.edu if interested and include shipping address.Item is decribed below. thanks Denis -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:08 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Hi, I have a lexicon jamman for sale with footswitch for $500+$10 shipping.excellent condition. If interested,paypal me at dtaaffe@indiana.edu and send me your email address.Will put on ebay i no interest. Thanks Denis Denis taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu htp://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 2 22:46:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22297; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:44:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:44:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c2b2da$1ac18520$5f63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200301030035.TAA07273@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: PERCUSSIVE TECHNIQUES for LOOPING GUITAR: a new thread? hint hint........... ;-) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:42:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Patrick, Rick Walker here. I'm a percussionist and thought I might be of some assistance with your dilemma. Not all acoustic guitars sound the same percussively for obvious reasons. If you have a guitar that doesn't have a naturally resonant set of bass drum sounds (the hardest to get) here are a couple of suggestions from a percussionists standpoint: 1) if you are looping and have a programmable equalizer (parametric or 31 band) practise getting the best acoustic bass drum sound that you can from your axe. This is best accomplished by playing in the middle of the back of the guitar with the side of your thumb..........you want to do a very quick rotation of your wrist so that thumb (with palm facing you)of your right hand is to the right and then quickly wips (without moving your elbow or forearm) laterally so that your palm turns completely face down and then returns to the open position as fast as you can. Strike the back of your guitar with the fleshiest portion of the side of your thumb (most akin to a hard felt bass drum beater) or actually use a soft felt mallet ($20-$30). Now equalize that sound until you find the resonant frequency of the guitar being struck and raise it's volume. You can cut all of the really high frequencies out of this sound but leave a little 6k in there for the 'attack' of the sound. Store your sound. 2) Now go to the part of the guitar where sides join the bottom or the top (the place of least resonance) and use your 1st or 2nd finger or middle three fingers together and quickly slap that place (making sure that no fingers touch further into the guitar)..........now eq the bass and low mid frequencies completely out of the sound and boost everything from 1k to 6k. Store your sound. Voila! instant bass drum and snare drum analogues. Because you will be layering your 'drum' sounds into your mix, you can recall the 'kick' drum sound, layer it's rhythm, then call up your snare eq and layer that rhythm. 3) Go to half speed record on your looper and play half speed 8th notes by very quickly scratch the grooves of your strings so that they make little short and discreet sounds and then return to full speed: Voila! instant 'hi hat' sounds 4) other cool sounds can be going to the edge where the front meets the sides and 'snapping' your finger to produce sharp wooden sounds (clave/) lightly palm mute your strings and then play harmonics by striking the guitar with anything from a plastic martini skewer to a hammer dulcimer mallet to a bic pen to a chopstick...........again, if done at half speed while in half speed record you can produce much faster sounds at normal speed that are very interesting an percussive. 5) By creatively using a parametric equalizer you can go to several parts of the body and while striking it with your thumb you can take on band of the parametric, make the band width extremely narrow and sweep the frequencies with the volume of that band very high and all the other bands very low. You will come across several different distinct and loud tones that can also serve as your 'tom' 'tom's. At my gig on New Year's Eve (at the Monterey Museum of Art) I used a frisbie with my new digitech vocal processor (more cool bang for the buck than any effects processor I've owned so far!!!!) and used the fact that I can statically change the pitch of the input from two octaves below to two octaves above to create a myriad of different drum sounds. It was awesome!!! Any really cheap pitch shifter (boss has a really nice one for $165 called the IntelliShifter that is a simple stomp box pedal with even a little bit of intelligent pitch shifting options and a very cool stutter and 'whammy bar' effect built in---even pretty nice fidelity and relatively low noise.). I'm not a guitarist per se (although I own a few acoustic and electrics) but I've had great fun by striking, bowing, malleting, sliding and preparing guitars. Old stand bys are 1) lacing forks and knives and spoons under and over your strings to create 'faux' gamelan sounds......... 2) rolling large ball bearing balls down the strings 3) dropping hard rice kernels on prepared guitars (stole that one, like every one else and there mother's uncle, from Fred Frith......the maestro). 4) tuning the strings to an open chord and playing the back of the guitar like a hand drum but micing it right under the bridge with a high quality condenser mic so that you get the chordal sympathetic vibrations. You can then take that sound and equalize all of the lower 'drum' sounds out of it and you get a very cool and unusual rhythmic chordal sound that has overring like a bowed psaltery. and, hey, what else guys and gals? what other cool percussive things can we do to the guitar (or cello or bass or violin). This might be a good thread!!!! have fun and let me know if you recieve any other good suggestions for your dilemma. your, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 00:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28168; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:04:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:04:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <120.1bc82e21.2b4673b0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:03:44 EST Subject: Re: PERCUSSIVE TECHNIQUES for LOOPING GUITAR: a new thread? hint hint........... ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA28147 Resent-Message-ID: <1Kw96.A.C4G.cnRF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, In a message dated 1/2/03 7:45:42 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >Rick Walker here. I'm a percussionist and thought I might be of some >assistance with your dilemma. Etc., etc., etc. Thanks Rick! It just so happens that this is helpful info for me too. I'm doing a very rare (for me) all-acoustic guitar looping gig in February -- just my Lakewood M32 (which hardly ever leaves home) a little combo amp and some (as yet un-procured) loop pedal of some sort. I've been scratching my head for ideas and this thread reminded me of all the other cool non-stringy sounds a guitar can make. Thanks for the input on Patrick's question -- I benefited as well. BTW: As a Line6 DL-4 maven, have you any advice on where to pick up a used one of those for a decent price? I don't wanna schlepp my 16-space rack of doom (with EDPs and cabs and all) to this quiet, low-key gig. I'm trying to pare down to a nice, very portable, and minimal loop setup for this thing. I figure the DL-4 will suit my needs for achieving this goal just fine. I'd appreciate your thoughts if you don't mind sharing them. Ciao! tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 00:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30563; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:46:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:46:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103054653.27471.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:46:53 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: Hexfuzz To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Boss PolyOctave does not produce individual-string distortion; I too was seduced by the ambiguous description, and disappointed when I tried it out. I guess it isn't demanded sufficiently to include the extra programming. ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com You can't make me think like you, mundane -Incubus __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 01:00:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32585; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:59:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:59:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103055842.84125.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:58:42 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200301030035.TAA07274@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, You can find it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ Fair warning however, the list is pretty emotionally reactive. I unsubscribed about 6 months ago because the amount of bickering was unsettling. I went there earlier today to see if it had simmered down and it was full tilt boogie as always... Still, if you're willing to wade through the muck, there are informative posts from time to time. SVG > Where's subscription info for a MIDI gtr list? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 01:30:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01529; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:26:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:26:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c2b2f1$01ae0740$343eddcb@PODAMUS> From: "Ashley Farlow" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:26:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B344.D24572F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <54V9YD.A.zX.F0SF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B344.D24572F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B344.D24572F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B344.D24572F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 01:56:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02722; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:52:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:52:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103065210.97912.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Fretless MIDI guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200301030035.TAA07274@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:33 AM -0800 1/2/03, S V G wrote: >From there it is up to the pitch to MIDI converter to unravel all >this information...if you play a note within 50 cents (half a >semitone) >either side of middle C with a fretless guitar, the pitch to MIDI >device will output the note "C" plus the appropriate pitch bend >information (or not). Another note played within 50 cents either >side of C# will trigger a new note as "C#". The only time this >doesn't hold true is when you pluck a note and then slide your >finger up or down the string. The note has already been >activated and chosen and then the pitch bend information is sent to >modify that note up or down an octave or more. RZ: This system has both advantages and disadvantages. It assumes that pitch bends will always start within a semitone of the nominal pitch, but it's quite common for some players to bend down from a whole tone or a minor third above. SVG: This shouldn't be too big of a difference to matter. RZ: The system I mention as being available on the Peavey Cyberbass (each string outputs a single MIDI note plus pitch bend within a two octave range)... SVG: This doesn't jive with my understanding of how MIDI works, one note that gets bent up or down an octave? Wouldn't that sound weird at the extremes? RZ: ...has some interesting possibilities for fretless and even fretted MIDI guitars. For instance, it allows playing with flexible intonation. Microtonal players (whose pitch discrimination can be uncanny) would be able to play guitar synth in Just or other intonations without the synth having microtonal features. Even though many synths have tuning capabilities, it requires switching presets in order to change from one to another. With a MIDI pitch bend based system the intonation would be left entirely to the player. SVG: Again, I'm not sure that I understand what you are referring to here. I've been building microtonal instruments for the past 25 years, though my knowledge of how MIDI works is on the scant side. If a patch had a pitch bend resolution of +/- 1 semitones, wouldn't this be enough to obtain most any microtonal interval as long as you don't bend the note outside of that semitone range? And the pitch bend accuracy would be to the nearest 1.5625 cents (100 cents divided by 64) which is close enough for rock 'n' roll (though some would moan in a most pitiful way). RZ: There are certain technical issues related to pitch bend resolution. Unfortunately most MIDI equipment seems to be designed with 7-bit pitch bend and this permits only 128 discrete values. This means that bends are limited to 63 or 64 steps up OR down. With a semitone bend the individual steps are about 1.5 cents; a while tone is about 3.1 cents. Both are OK, but if you stretch 128 values over a two octave range you get pitch increments of nearly 19 cents! SVG: Okay, I tried this on my keyboard synth and I found out what you're talking about. If I set my pitchbend range to +/- 12 semitones, my pitchwheel gives me a "stepped" output as opposed to a smooth slide. I must have been getting around a 10 cent jump with each increment. RZ: The technical solution to this is to use the full two-byte, 14-bit resolution allowed by MIDI, resulting in 16,384 steps and pitch resolution of about 0.15 cents. I don't think there are many sound modules that can match that. The Cyberbass Voice Module and the Oberheim Matrix synths can handle it. SVG: My Emu synths all have a resolution of +/- 64 per semitone which is 1.5625 cents. Not great but better than nothing. Kurzweil has a resolution of +/- 100 per semitone which is in 1 cent increments which is a whole lot easier for a musician to work with (one of the rare moments when Kurzweil had the musician rather than the nerd in mind...) and other systems tend to follow one of these two models. However, these numbers are referring to the gradations available when constructing microtonal scales as well as the pitchbend range. With the Kurzweil, you set up one octave and all the octaves are locked into that same tuning. With Emu, you have to set the tuning for every single note which is more labor intensive yet it offers much more flexibility (i.e. octaves don't have to be in tune with each other, which is essential for most ethnomusicological scales). Regardless of whether you are using a fretless or a fretted guitar, you can set a user definable scale on your synth, turn off the pitchbend, and anything you play on your guitar will ipso facto sound within that scale that you defined. It would be imperative to not blend the acoustic sound of the guitar with the synth sound if that were the case. Still it holds some potential. RZ: BTW - Middle C is "C4" no matter what Yamaha says. SVG: I know that MIDI was developed with several musicians on the consulting panel. What were they thinking? That they could just ignore the modern acoustic usage? Especially since there seems to be no overwhelming reason that they couldn't just keep C4 as C4. >I can personally vouch for the Godin/RMC combination, the sound of >my nylon Multiac is extremely satisfying to my ears as a classical >guitarist. RZ: Any comments on the difference between Multiac and ACS-SA? SVG: I actually owned the ACS-SA for a few weeks by accident before obtaining my Multiac-SA. The ACS is a less expensive guitar, being mostly a solid body nylon stringed instrument made out of western maple. Ergonomically, it was too heavy for me and it didn't hang on my body well. Though I don't play electric guitar and it was probably not too unlike its close cousins. My sense is that it tracked slightly better than the Multiac as far as my GR-33 was concerned, probably due to fewer acoustic resonances getting in the way. It also had a little better sustain. As for the Multiac, it is much lighter, still hangs a bit awkwardly on my body (I think I'd do better with the Godin Concert Classical as the body joins the neck at the 12th fret rather than the 15th fret) and it has a far superior sound straight off the piezos. Acoustically it is much louder than the ACS which is a drawback if you are using a VG processor with alternate tunings, yet a plus in most other areas. It it made with a spruce soundboard and a nice sized chamber in the center portion. If I was going mostly for the synth access qualities, I'd get the ACS. With it I found that I could get more expressiveness both in tracking, sustain, and amplitude characteristics using the onboard synth of the GR-33. If I was interested in the acoustic qualities of a nylon string guitar blended with synth access, I'd go for the Multiac. Since I find myself blending the two sounds a lot, I'm a happy camper with my Multiac. SVG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 02:52:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05721; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 02:50:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 02:50:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: "Patrick Bolan" , Subject: RE: Percussion on acoustic guitar Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:54:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2B2CB.1E583E40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00f301c2b2b0$95fe62a0$fc03030a@Patrickbolan2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2B2CB.1E583E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The problem lies with the RC-20. If you are plugging into the Vocal or Guitar Input your sound will suck because the preamps suck and they alter the sound. Also your signal is always passing through the RC-20 even when your not looping still giving you the altered (not desirable) sound. Here's what I did... Buy some kind of a small mixer and submix your guitar and whatever else into it and then out into an A/B box or the white Boss Tuner that mutes when you press on it and then take that into the CD-IN (Mini-plug jack) of the RC-20. That's a line level input so you need the mixer for additional output. That will give a perfect non altered signal...whatever you put in you'll get out. The A/B box or tuner will allow you to mute the signal when you're not recording so you don't get two signals going into the PA. This will solve the problems and make it sound like any of the better loopers. Or buy a the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro and you won't need all that other crap to make it work like it should have in the first place. Good luck... -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Bolan [mailto:pbolan@csiconstruction.com] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 4:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Percussion on acoustic guitar Hi, I need some advice about looping and percussion… I recently saw Phil Keaggy in concert, and he used his acoustic guitar to create clean sharp percussion that simulated the sounds of kick drum or hi-hat as part of the loop (he used a Jamman and Line 6). When I tried it, my percussion sounded extremely muddled. Here’s my question: How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic guitar? I have a Taylor 914ce, with a Fishman under-the-saddle pickup. I am a good guitarist, but just starting to explore looping with a Boss RC-20. Any suggestions about percussion on the body of an acoustic guitar would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance, Patrick in Portland, Oregon. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2B2CB.1E583E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The=20 problem lies with the RC-20. If you are plugging into the Vocal or = Guitar Input=20 your sound will suck because the preamps suck and they alter the=20 sound.
Also=20 your signal is always passing through the RC-20 even when your not = looping still=20 giving you the altered (not desirable) sound.
Here's=20 what I did...
Buy=20 some kind of a small mixer and submix your guitar and whatever else into = it and=20 then out into an A/B box or the white Boss Tuner that mutes when = you press=20 on it and then take that into the CD-IN (Mini-plug jack) of the RC-20. = That's a=20 line level input so you need the mixer for additional output. That will = give a=20 perfect non altered signal...whatever you put in you'll get out. The A/B = box or=20 tuner will allow you to mute the signal when you're not recording so you = don't=20 get two signals going into the PA.
 
This=20 will solve the problems and make it sound like any of the better=20 loopers.
Or buy=20 a the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro and you won't need all that other crap = to make=20 it work like it should have in the first place.
 
Good=20 luck...
 
-Arthur Lee
www.arthurleemusic.com<= /SPAN>
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Bolan=20 [mailto:pbolan@csiconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, January = 02, 2003=20 4:45 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Percussion on acoustic guitar

Hi, I need some advice = about=20 looping and percussion=85

 

I recently saw Phil = Keaggy in=20 concert, and he used his acoustic guitar to create clean sharp = percussion that=20 simulated the sounds of kick drum or hi-hat as part of the loop (he = used a=20 Jamman and Line 6).    When I tried it, my percussion = sounded=20 extremely muddled.  Here=92s my question:

 

How do you get a clean = percussion=20 effects from the body of an acoustic guitar?

 

I have a = Taylor 914ce,=20 with a Fishman under-the-saddle pickup.  I am a good guitarist, = but just=20 starting to explore looping with a Boss RC-20.  Any suggestions = about=20 percussion on the body of an acoustic guitar would be very=20 appreciated.

 

Thanks in=20 advance,

 

Patrick in = Portland,=20 Oregon.

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2B2CB.1E583E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 03:20:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07729; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 03:07:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 03:07:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:07:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [looper's] cheap n' dirty From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E14E53A.1C3601DD@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm. I wonder whether it would work with my 4-track tapes from a circa 1984 Yamaha 4-track. Actually, all I really want is one long enough to digitize less than 10 cassettes. Mark on 1/2/03 5:19 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Actually, I was just about to sell my Yamaha 4 track tape deck. It's the > MTX3 model (http://www.yamaha.com/ycaservice/mp4model/mt3x.htm) and it's a > really nice one. I keep it around because it's a good quality tape deck, > but I just *never* use it. If I get a decent offer (the last one went for > $125 on ebay, I'd let it go for a hundred plus shipping), I'd be happy to > give it up to a good looping home. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 07:56:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24428; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:51:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:51:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Walter_Br=FChn?= , "Ted Hudek" , "Loopers Delight" , "CT-Collective" Subject: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:55:34 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list) December 30, 2002 American Empire as Gated Community by BRIAN ENO The American edition of Time will not be running the piece, as apparently they think that even the mildest criticism from our warmest friends will be too much for a U.S. audience to handle. B. Eno "Europeans have always looked at America with a mixture of fascination and puzzlement, and now, increasingly, disbelief. How is it that a country that prides itself on its economic success could have so many very poor people? How is it that a country so insistent on the rule of law should seek to exempt itself from international agreements? And how is it that the world's beacon of democracy can have elections dominated by wealthy special interest groups? For me, the question has become: "How can a country that has produced so much cultural and economic wealth act so dumb?" I could fill this page with the names of Americans who have influenced, entertained and educated me. They represent what I admire about America: a vigorous originality of thought, and a confidence that things can be changed for the better. That was the America I lived in and enjoyed from 1978 until 1983. That America was an act of faith--the faith that "otherness" was not threatening but nourishing, the faith that there could be a country big enough in spirit to welcome and nurture all the diversity the world could throw at it. But that vision is being eclipsed by a suspicious, introverted America, a country-sized version of that peculiarly American form of ghetto: the gated community. A gated community is defensive. Designed to keep the "others" out, it dissolves the rich web of society into a random clustering of disconnected individuals. It turns paranoia and isolation into a lifestyle. Surely this isn't the America that anyone dreamed of; it's a last resort, nobody's choice. It's especially ironic since so much of the best new thinking about society, economics, politics and philosophy in the last century came from America. Unhampered by the snobbery and exclusivity of much European thought, American thinkers vaulted forward--courageous,innovative and determined to talk in a public language. But, unfortunately, over the same period, the mass media vaulted backwards, thriving on increasingly simple stories and trivializing news into something indistinguishable from entertainment. As a result, a wealth of original and subtle thought--America's real wealth--is squandered. This narrowing of the American mind is exacerbated by the withdrawal of the left from active politics. Virtually ignored by the media, the left has further marginalized itself by a retreat into introspective cultural criticism. It seems content to do yoga and gender studies, leaving the fundamentalist Christian right and the multinationals to do the politics. The separation of church and state seems to be breaking down too. Political discourse is now dominated by moralizing, like George W. Bush's promotion of American "family values" abroad, and dissent is unpatriotic. "You're either with us or against us" is the kind of cant you'd expect from a zealous mullah, not an American president. When Europeans make such criticisms, Americans assume we're envious. "They want what we've got," the thinking goes, "and if they can't get it, they're going to stop us from having it." But does everyone want what America has? Well, we like some of it but could do without the rest: the highest rates of violent crime, economic inequality, functional illiteracy, incarceration and drug use in the developed world. President Bush recently declared that the U.S. was "the single surviving model of human progress". Maybe some Americans think this self-evident, but the rest of us see it as a clumsy arrogance born of ignorance. Europeans tend to regard free national health services, unemployment benefits, social housing, and so on as pretty good models of humanprogress. We think it's important--civilized, in fact--to help people who fall through society's cracks. This isn't just altruism, but an understanding that having too many losers in society hurts everyone. It's better for everybody to have a stake in society than to have a resentful underclass bent on wrecking things. To many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, the nanny state. But so what? The result is: Europe has less crime and less poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. Too often, the U.S. presents the "American way" as the only way, insisting on its kind of free market Darwinism as the only acceptable" model of human progress." But isn't civilization what happens when people stop behaving as if they're trapped in a ruthless Darwinian struggle and start thinking about communities and shared futures? America as a gated community won't work, because not even the world's sole superpower can build walls high enough to shield itself from the intertwined realities of the 21st century. There's a better form of security: reconnect with the rest of the world, don't shut it out; stop making enemies and start making friends. Perhaps it's asking a lot to expect America to act differently from all the other empires in history, but wasn't that the original idea?" Brian Eno is a musician who believes that regime change begins at home. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 08:10:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26321; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:06:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103130549.23928.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 05:05:49 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. John --- Michael Peters wrote: > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list) > > > December 30, 2002 > > American Empire as Gated Community > by BRIAN ENO ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 08:25:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27217; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:23:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:23:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:23:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c2b32b$4c459770$0200a8c0@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20030103130549.23928.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was there that day and I don't and I won't forget! -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. John --- Michael Peters wrote: > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list) > > > December 30, 2002 > > American Empire as Gated Community > by BRIAN ENO ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Isn't the reality and at least partial truth of what Eno said the cause of 9/11?

~Peter.




 
>From: "Alan Kroeger"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community
>Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:23:25 -0500
>
>I was there that day and I don't and I won't forget!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:06 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community
>
>
>I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest
>of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this.
>
>John
>
>
>--- Michael Peters wrote:
> > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list)
> >
> >
> > December 30, 2002
> >
> > American Empire as Gated Community
> > by BRIAN ENO
>
>
>
>=====
>John Tidwell
>
>
>
>
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Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 09:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30696; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:22:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:22:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.154.86.12] From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:21:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_6cd_58af_1162" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2003 14:21:30.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[68EF1C40:01C2B333] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_6cd_58af_1162 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed yes, funny how the american media is completely silent about the fact that the U.S. armed and trained both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. I'm particularly struck by the irony of how Donald Rumsfeld is going on about Saddam's evil "weapons of mass destruction" when he himself was not only instrumental in giving those weapons to him during the Iran/Iraq conflict, but recently released documents prove that he and the rest of his cabal knew that Iraq was using chemical warfare on Iranian civilians at the time. but by saying that, I'm probably now 1) "unamerican", and 2) on an FBI list of possible terrorists. >From: "water cat" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community >Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:15:21 -0600 > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------=_NextPart_000_6cd_58af_1162 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from mc8-f29.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.165]) by mc8-s19.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:16:06 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc8-f29.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:16:06 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30369; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:15:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:15:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.94.223.49] From: "water cat" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:15:21 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2003 14:15:22.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D5C5350:01C2B332] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Isn't the reality and at least partial truth of what Eno said the cause of 9/11?

~Peter.




 
>From: "Alan Kroeger"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community
>Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:23:25 -0500
>
>I was there that day and I don't and I won't forget!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:06 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community
>
>
>I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest
>of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this.
>
>John
>
>
>--- Michael Peters wrote:
> > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list)
> >
> >
> > December 30, 2002
> >
> > American Empire as Gated Community
> > by BRIAN ENO
>
>
>
>=====
>John Tidwell
>
>
>
>
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Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------=_NextPart_000_6cd_58af_1162-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 09:47:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31709; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:42:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:42:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulrichard10@attbi.com Message-Id: <200301031442.JAA31688@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:42:20 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: UGF1bHJpY2hhcmQxMEBhdHRiaS5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << To many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, the nanny state. But so what? The result is: Europe has less crime and less poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. >> That's how the 'proles' are kept in line. "Surely, comrades. Surely, you don't want Jones back" said one of the pigs in Orwell's ANIMAL FARM. I.e., if one can make an assertion that a social program engenders socialism or even Communism... The oldest trick in the book. Not as old as the world's oldest professin, though. > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list) > > > December 30, 2002 > > American Empire as Gated Community > by BRIAN ENO > > The American edition of Time will not be running the piece, as > apparently they think that even the mildest criticism from our warmest > friends will be too much for a U.S. audience to handle. B. Eno > > > > "Europeans have always looked at America with a mixture of fascination > and puzzlement, and now, increasingly, disbelief. How is it that a > country that prides itself on its economic success could have so many > very poor people? > > How is it that a country so insistent on the rule of law should seek to > exempt itself from international agreements? And how is it that the > world's beacon of democracy can have elections dominated by wealthy > special interest groups? For me, the question has become: "How can a > country that has produced so much cultural and economic wealth act so > dumb?" > > I could fill this page with the names of Americans who have influenced, > entertained and educated me. They represent what I admire about > America: a vigorous originality of thought, and a confidence that > things can be changed for the better. > > That was the America I lived in and enjoyed from 1978 until 1983. That > America was an act of faith--the faith that "otherness" was not > threatening but nourishing, the faith that there could be a country big > enough in spirit to welcome and nurture all the diversity the world > could throw at it. But that vision is being eclipsed by a suspicious, > introverted America, a country-sized version of that peculiarly > American form of ghetto: the gated community. > > A gated community is defensive. Designed to keep the "others" out, it > dissolves the rich web of society into a random clustering of > disconnected individuals. It turns paranoia and isolation into a > lifestyle. > > Surely this isn't the America that anyone dreamed of; it's a last > resort, nobody's choice. It's especially ironic since so much of the > best new thinking about society, economics, politics and philosophy in > the last century came from America. Unhampered by the snobbery and > exclusivity of much European thought, American thinkers vaulted > forward--courageous,innovative and determined to talk in a public > language. > > But, unfortunately, over the same period, the mass media vaulted > backwards, thriving on increasingly simple stories and trivializing > news into something indistinguishable from entertainment. As a result, > a wealth of original and subtle thought--America's real wealth--is > squandered. > > This narrowing of the American mind is exacerbated by the withdrawal of > the left from active politics. Virtually ignored by the media, the left > has further marginalized itself by a retreat into introspective > cultural criticism. It seems content to do yoga and gender studies, > leaving the fundamentalist Christian right and the multinationals to do > the politics. > > The separation of church and state seems to be breaking down too. > Political discourse is now dominated by moralizing, like George W. > Bush's promotion of American "family values" abroad, and dissent is > unpatriotic. "You're either with us or against us" is the kind of cant > you'd expect from a zealous mullah, not an American president. > > When Europeans make such criticisms, Americans assume we're envious. > "They want what we've got," the thinking goes, "and if they can't get > it, they're going to stop us from having it." But does everyone want > what America has? Well, we like some of it but could do without the > rest: the highest rates of violent crime, economic inequality, > functional illiteracy, incarceration and drug use in the developed > world. President Bush recently declared that the U.S. was "the single > surviving model of human progress". > > Maybe some Americans think this self-evident, but the rest of us see it > as a clumsy arrogance born of ignorance. > > Europeans tend to regard free national health services, unemployment > benefits, social housing, and so on as pretty good models of > humanprogress. We think it's important--civilized, in fact--to help > people who fall through society's cracks. This isn't just altruism, but > an understanding that having too many losers in society hurts everyone. > It's better for everybody to have a stake in society than to have a > resentful underclass bent on wrecking things. > > To many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, the > nanny state. But so what? The result is: Europe has less crime and less > poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes > a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. > > Too often, the U.S. presents the "American way" as the only way, > insisting on its kind of free market Darwinism as the only acceptable" > model of human progress." But isn't civilization what happens when > people stop behaving as if they're trapped in a ruthless Darwinian > struggle and start thinking about communities and shared futures? > America as a gated community won't work, because not even the world's > sole superpower can build walls high enough to shield itself from the > intertwined realities of the 21st century. > > There's a better form of security: reconnect with the rest of the > world, don't shut it out; stop making enemies and start making friends. > Perhaps it's asking a lot to expect America to act differently from all > the other empires in history, but wasn't that the original idea?" > > > > Brian Eno is a musician who believes that regime change begins at home. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 09:48:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31796; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:44:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:44:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulrichard10@attbi.com Message-Id: <200301031444.JAA31775@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:44:14 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: UGF1bHJpY2hhcmQxMEBhdHRiaS5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest > of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. > > John The 'flame-fest' has nothing to do with this, Mr. Reactionary > I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest > of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. > > John > > > --- Michael Peters wrote: > > (from the jefferson airplane family mailing list) > > > > > > December 30, 2002 > > > > American Empire as Gated Community > > by BRIAN ENO > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 09:50:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31989; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulrichard10@attbi.com Message-Id: <200301031446.JAA31968@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:46:02 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: UGF1bHJpY2hhcmQxMEBhdHRiaS5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > but by saying that, I'm probably now 1) "unamerican", and 2) on an FBI list > of possible terrorists. > Plus, you've been flagged in Admiral 'the covicted felon' Poindexter's database. > yes, funny how the american media is completely silent about the fact that > the U.S. armed and trained both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. I'm > particularly struck by the irony of how Donald Rumsfeld is going on about > Saddam's evil "weapons of mass destruction" when he himself was not only > instrumental in giving those weapons to him during the Iran/Iraq conflict, > but recently released documents prove that he and the rest of his cabal knew > that Iraq was using chemical warfare on Iranian civilians at the time. > > but by saying that, I'm probably now 1) "unamerican", and 2) on an FBI list > of possible terrorists. > > > > > > > >From: "water cat" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community > >Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:15:21 -0600 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 10:07:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01912; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:05:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:05:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c2b339$2f999fa0$92e45cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #302 for January 2, 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:01:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3FyX2B.A.yd.HbaF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #302 January 2, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star in the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was "Soundfall to the Infinite" by Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane on the Space for Music label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Irrlicht" by Klaus Schulze on the Ohr label. Brannan Lane http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Sate Ebene Irrlicht (Ohr) Erez Yaary Downfall of a Man Retrospective (none) Eppie E. Hulshof * Floating Waves (Quantum) Douglas Burkett A Comforting Void Alien Radio (Electric Insomniac) Under the Dome C-57D Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Under the Dome Altair IV Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Navigator Leaves on the Line Northern Consequence (Invisible Shadows) Ozone Player Ollism E (Visual Power) 12:00 am Zero Ohms and Beyond Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and The Dream Garden Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and Endless Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and Land of Blue Mist Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and Soundfall Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and To the Infinite Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Deep Unknown" by Brannan Lane and vidnaObmana on the brannanlane.com label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Mirage" by Klaus Schulze on Island Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 10:19:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02544; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:17:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:17:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103151720.61243.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:17:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200301031444.JAA31775@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > > I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest > > of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. > > > > John > > The 'flame-fest' has nothing to do with this, Mr. > Reactionary The flame-fest I was referring to was the one that took place on this very list. And you're right. On the subject of 9-11, I am very much a reactionary. Just as Wilson, FDR, & JFK would have been. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 10:36:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03703; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:35:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:35:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:35:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c2b33d$b01ef130$0200a8c0@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20030103151720.61243.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6-OM2.A.x5.q2aF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lets get back to looping, looping unifies and horrific world events divide us all. I shouldn't have replied earlier to the original message, obviously there are real solutions required to solve the worlds problems and terrorism and war are not a solution maybe a good looping discussion is. Alan Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community --- Paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote: > > I urge everyone to remember the great flame-fest > > of 9/11 before responding pro or con to this. > > > > John > > The 'flame-fest' has nothing to do with this, Mr. > Reactionary The flame-fest I was referring to was the one that took place on this very list. And you're right. On the subject of 9-11, I am very much a reactionary. Just as Wilson, FDR, & JFK would have been. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 11:07:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06851; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:05:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:10:25 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com btw, for those who are interested, Eno's article is on a webpage at: http://www.counterpunch.org/eno1230.html -Michael (thanking Eno for speaking out). btw are political articles written by our ambient/loop gods off topic here? maybe, but then it looks like a loop repetition to me that a Bush goes to war against Hussein again - just like 12 years ago. Back then, I recently read, about 500,000 civilians were killed. I'm sure that there are one or two readers of this list here who think it was justified anyway, and would do it again now - after all, hey, a few thousand Americans were brutally killed on 9/11, so anything is justified now, why not kill another 500,000 moslems again, just to show them who is in charge on this planet! Oh my god, I'm starting flame wars again. I'm sorry, really. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 11:51:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09242; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:47:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:47:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:51:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Percussion on acoustic guitar From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030103025149.A920719AEA@www.fastmail.fm> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3124439507_1211767_MIME_Part" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [141.149.184.92] at Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:47:22 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3124439507_1211767_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit don't know if the issue you're asking about is technique or sound reproduction gear, but back when I used to play guitar and do this stuff, I used a combination of hitting the guitar with a ring on my finger for snare hits, the soft bottom of my closed fist for bass drum hits, and knocking with my knuckles and slapping with my palm for other sounds. hitting different parts of the guitar (back of neck, sides, top) yields different sounds. if you can find a video of michael hedges, he does a nice job with these techniques. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net on 1/2/03 9:51 PM, ernesto schnack at schnack@mailbolt.com wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:45:01 -0800, "Patrick Bolan" said: > How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic > guitar? Yeah, I'm on the same boat as you. I have a Rare Earth blend pickup and LR Baggs I-Beam, and the best result has come from using the mic on the rare earth. But even that sounds muffled. The only way to go as far as I can see, is either use a mic onstage or effects (eq, compression, etc...) The best sound I've gotten is using a combination of both pickups and a condenser mic, and then adding a liitle distortion and eq. You can hear the result here: http://zebox.com/a4/schnack_-_coda.mp3 That is recording at home though, I haven't managed to get a good live sound. Ernesto --MS_Mac_OE_3124439507_1211767_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Percussion on acoustic guitar don't know if the issue you're asking about is technique or sound reproduct= ion gear, but back when I used to play guitar and do this stuff, I used a co= mbination of hitting the guitar with a ring on my finger for snare hits, the= soft bottom of my closed fist for bass drum hits, and knocking with my knuc= kles and slapping with my palm for other sounds. hitting different parts of = the guitar (back of neck, sides, top) yields different sounds.

if you can find a video of michael hedges, he does a nice job with these te= chniques.

dan

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on 1/2/03 9:51 PM, ernesto schnack at schnack@mailbolt.com wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:45:01 -0800, "Patrick Bolan" <pbolan@csiconstruction.com> said:
> How do you get a clean percussion effects from the body of an acoustic=
> guitar?

Yeah, I'm on the same boat as you.  I have a Rare Earth blend pickup a= nd
LR Baggs I-Beam, and the best result has come from using the mic on the
rare earth. But even that sounds muffled.  The only way to go as far a= s I
can see, is either use a mic onstage or effects (eq, compression, etc...) The best sound I've gotten is using a combination of both pickups and a condenser mic, and then adding a liitle distortion and eq. You can hear
the result here: http://zebox.com/a4/schnack_-_coda.mp3    T= hat is
recording at home though, I haven't managed to get a good live sound.

Ernesto
  

--MS_Mac_OE_3124439507_1211767_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 12:00:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09870; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:54:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:54:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02ef01c2b348$6b450da0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <20030102163317.25967.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <009601c2b2bb$64119ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:51:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Fretless MIDI guitar > At 7:02 PM -0500 1/2/03, David Beardsley wrote: > > >Where's subscription info for a MIDI gtr list? > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/ Thanks! Last week I pulled out my GR1 and found out it still doesn't track well. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 12:01:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10015; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:51:09 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: [looper's] cheap n' dirty To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E15BF7D.262C6F32@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: <445c_C.A.ZcC.CEcF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bet it would. It's got dBX noise reduction. It plays at standard tape speed and double. There was one person who inquired about it before you, so I'd have to let that person have it first if they follow through. Mark Mark Hamburg wrote: > > Hmm. I wonder whether it would work with my 4-track tapes from a circa 1984 > Yamaha 4-track. Actually, all I really want is one long enough to digitize > less than 10 cassettes. > > Mark > > on 1/2/03 5:19 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > Actually, I was just about to sell my Yamaha 4 track tape deck. It's the > > MTX3 model (http://www.yamaha.com/ycaservice/mp4model/mt3x.htm) and it's a > > really nice one. I keep it around because it's a good quality tape deck, > > but I just *never* use it. If I get a decent offer (the last one went for > > $125 on ebay, I'd let it go for a hundred plus shipping), I'd be happy to > > give it up to a good looping home. > > > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 12:21:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12139; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:15:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:15:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:14:50 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Walter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=FChn?= , Ted Hudek , CT-Collective Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:55 PM +0100 1/3/03, Michael Peters wrote: I pretty much agree with Eno. The Middle East situation is in many ways a result of Western imperialism. A little historical review will reveal that the Persia Gulf region was dominated throughout the 20th century by European and America oil companies, with military aid going to those regimes "our" side thought would act as our agents. Last week I was reading an article that was first published in a 1952 issue of Time Magazine, outlining the current situation in the Gulf. One interesting point was that after Iran nationalized their oil production (kicking out the Westerners) a deal was struck with the rulers of Kuwait to up their cut from a nominal 10 cents per barrel to a 50/50 split. Anyone interested in an alternative view of the U.S.'s place in the world may find Noam Chomsky's writings useful. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 13:07:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15454; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:59:34 -0800 Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3124432774_6342663" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3124432774_6342663 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 1/3/03 6:21 AM, jj 179 at jj179subs@hotmail.com wrote: > but by saying that, I'm probably now 1) "unamerican", and 2) on an FBI li= st > of possible terrorists. That=B9s okay. I bought my son some building blocks for Christmas. Since they were in middle eastern shapes, I=B9m sure that information has been recorded somewhere... ;-P Mark --B_3124432774_6342663 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: American Empire as Gated Community on 1/3/03 6:21 AM, jj 179 at jj179subs@hotmail.com wro= te:

but by saying that, I'm probably= now 1) "unamerican", and 2) on an FBI list
of possible terrorists.

That’s okay. I bought my son some bu= ilding blocks for Christmas. Since they were in middle eastern shapes, IR= 17;m sure that information has been recorded somewhere... ;-P

Mark
 --B_3124432774_6342663-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 13:17:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16257; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:15:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:15:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:25:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:55 PM 1/3/2003 +0100, Michael Peters wrote: >American Empire as Gated Community >by BRIAN ENO > > [*snip*] > >....The result is: Europe has less crime and less >poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes >a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. Well, judging from many of the other mailing lists I'm on, there are a whole lotsa people out there who are actively making/have made plans to get some of what they've got -- or, in other words, expatriate their families out of the US. Although, to be fair, Europe and Canada seem to be running about neck & neck in the race for favorite expat destination. For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper will actually make a decent home in real life. We're shooting for the EU in early 2004... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 13:31:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16763; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:26:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:26:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:26:18 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E15D5CA.949CFC5B@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My gf/partner and I are planning on Oaxaca, Mexico by mid-94. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first > "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper > will actually make a decent home in real life. We're shooting for the EU > in early 2004... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 13:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16894; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:28:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030103113150.00b65650@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:31:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: $14,000 for Dennis Taffes' excellent CD In-Reply-To: <005501c2b2bf$28e52a00$2961f93f@global> References: <200301021655.LAA01545@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* Yeah Rick!, I was thinkin' about pullin' all my pics from my website and posting -em up on ebay too! lol! Smiles, Cara At 04:29 PM 1/2/03 -0800, you wrote: >jeez louise, Dennis, > >I sell my CDs numbered and autographed for $15 on Loopers Delight. > >Maybe I ought to up my prices. > >What do you think guys? > >In the loopers delight bargain bin: > >CLOSEOUT LOOPING MUSIC SALE > >Rick Walker's Loop.pooL >TRANSLUCENT DAYGLO LIME GREEN PLASTIC > >on sale for a limited time only: $1,500/CD > >get 'em while the gettin's good. > > > > > > >LOL, > >Happy New Year everyone. > >yours, Rick > > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 14:04:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20086; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:00:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:00:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulrichard10@attbi.com Message-Id: <200301031900.OAA20065@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:59:37 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: UGF1bHJpY2hhcmQxMEBhdHRiaS5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, can I borrow that time machine? Heheheh.... > > My gf/partner and I are planning on Oaxaca, Mexico by mid-94. > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first > > "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper > > will actually make a decent home in real life. We're shooting for the EU > > in early 2004... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 14:18:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20751; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:12:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:12:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:07:42 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good general points from Mr Eno(whos "Apollo, Atmospheres and soundtracks" is one of my all time favorites and makes a great soundtrack for isolation tank flotation, BTW), minus a road map except the allusion to regime change(although that's a loop without system change), he's done some great things but still needs to check his bias. Middle eastern people don't need to be (further) painted as caricatures of small minded, poorly thought out, instant gratification seeking, revenge and payback oriented dehumanized "others" any more than the largerly zionist media in this country does every day. > "You're either with us or against us" is the kind of cant > you'd expect from a zealous mullah, not an American president. It's the same kind of crap that was done to the italians, irish,blacks, hispanics, american indians, asians, and everyone else. Not a rite of passage, but an unneccesary testament to something very wrong. Fat phases of media pimped bias followed by abuse, discrimination and violence, followed by eventual integration and on to the next victim/group. This is one loop it would be great to see us fade and move beyond. glenn javaheri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 14:37:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22371; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:33:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:33:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:31:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7JmI4D.A.ddF.-VeF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This is one loop it would be great to see us fade and move beyond. Very much so. And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism. Please be careful. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 14:57:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24028; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:55:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:55:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:54:12 -0800 Message-ID: <00b201c2b361$e36d35a0$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism. Please be careful. =============================================== My biggest fear is this sentiment will lead to more and more lemming-like behaviour for fear of being 'caught'. Philip K. Dick got it right... A final little overdub before fade out... Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:10:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27659; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:07:27 -0800 Message-ID: <00b301c2b363$bd39c810$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00b201c2b361$e36d35a0$6601a8c0@neil> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Philip K. Dick got it right... ======================================================== That refers to the new Information Awareness Office (file this under truth is stranger than fiction) Great essay on this: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/?021209ta_talk_hertzberg NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:17:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28196; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:15:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:15:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:18:37 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:31 PM -0500 1/3/03, Tom Ritchford wrote: >And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government >remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and >the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism. >Please be careful. Oh yeah? Well FUCK George W. Bush...and his little dog too! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:25:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28643; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:21:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:21:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:22:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really want to move out of the U.S. Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to ever be fixed and that democracy is long dead. However, unless you've got a company that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very difficult to move these days. Any tips? Anyone want to sponsor to very skilled, hard working computer graphics/animation/music people? Can we seek political asylum? I hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding weapons." and then I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into American US forces radio. Makes me physically ill. I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat. Mark Sottilaro Catilyne wrote: > At 01:55 PM 1/3/2003 +0100, Michael Peters wrote: > > >American Empire as Gated Community > >by BRIAN ENO > > > > [*snip*] > > > >....The result is: Europe has less crime and less > >poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes > >a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. > > Well, judging from many of the other mailing lists I'm on, there are a > whole lotsa people out there who are actively making/have made plans to get > some of what they've got -- or, in other words, expatriate their families > out of the US. Although, to be fair, Europe and Canada seem to be running > about neck & neck in the race for favorite expat destination. > > For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first > "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper > will actually make a decent home in real life. We're shooting for the EU > in early 2004... > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:27:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28811; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:23:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:23:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:22:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 2:31 PM -0500 1/3/03, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >>And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government >>remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and >>the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism. >>Please be careful. > >Oh yeah? Well FUCK George W. Bush...and his little dog too! you are all right about this... I'm a little paranoid these days because I'm not a citizen and thus could just... disappear... without anyone having to know! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:28:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29002; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:25:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:25:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E15E3DC.84388C63@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:26:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community References: <00b201c2b361$e36d35a0$6601a8c0@neil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is *exactly* what I mean. If you can't say that you're against the actions of a president in a democracy, then you do not live in a democracy. I thought the U.S. was based on the idea that you didn't have to be careful about your political views. I guess I was wrong. Mark Neil Goldstein wrote: > And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government > remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and > the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism. > Please be careful. > =============================================== > > My biggest fear is this sentiment will lead to more and more > lemming-like behaviour for fear of being 'caught'. Philip K. Dick got > it right... > > A final little overdub before fade out... > > Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:33:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29380; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:28:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:28:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 02:22 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really > want to > move out of the U.S. Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to > ever be > fixed and that democracy is long dead. wow my wife and i have had the same conversation and i seriously looked at moving to the netherlands. i thought about england, but i think they are getting more like the us everyday... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:35:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29545; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:31:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:31:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:30:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat. my sweetie and I have been talking about finding a place away from everything with perhaps a beach and high speed bandwidth and working from there... I'll keep ya posted! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:42:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30063; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c2b367$e3306c00$bf564ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:37:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > wow my wife and i have had the same conversation and i seriously looked > at moving to the netherlands. i thought about england, but i think > they are getting more like the us everyday... Our bizarrely presidential prime-minister would like to think we are, but it's still Gary Coleman putting on gloves and shorts to be like Muhammed Ali... :o) We're a way behind at the moment, thank God... Holland's a great place to go... As would be Berlin. Or try Glasgow - now the Scots have got their own parliment, things up there are a darn sight better than where we're heading... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:49:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30531; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:42:40 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <5iau5B.A.6cH.jZfF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:22 PM -0500 1/3/03, Tom Ritchford wrote: >I'm a little paranoid these days because I'm not a citizen and thus >could just... disappear... without anyone having to know! That's not paranoia - that's legitimate concern. I'm having dinner tonight with some Iranian expatriates. They're wonderful folks who are very happy to be here, and I really worry for them. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:50:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30629; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:46:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:46:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:46:56 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E15F6C0.330CE59@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200301031900.OAA20065@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It took me 20 minutes to realize what you meant! I can't get used to this New Year business...or new Millenium perhaps... Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > Hey, can I borrow that time machine? Heheheh.... > > > > My gf/partner and I are planning on Oaxaca, Mexico by mid-94. > > > > Daryl Shawn > > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > > > > For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first > > > "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper > > > will actually make a decent home in real life. We're shooting for the EU > > > in early 2004... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 15:57:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31142; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:54:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:54:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E15EA94.BBB2CC7D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:55:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice! Tom Ritchford wrote: > >I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat. > > my sweetie and I have been talking about finding a place > away from everything with perhaps a beach and high speed bandwidth > and working from there... I'll keep ya posted! > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 16:25:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01251; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:23:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:23:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:38:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:21 PM +0000 1/3/03, jj 179 wrote: >yes, funny how the american media is completely silent about the >fact that the U.S. armed and trained both Saddam Hussein and Osama >bin Laden. I'm particularly struck by the irony of how Donald >Rumsfeld is going on about Saddam's evil "weapons of mass >destruction" when he himself was not only instrumental in giving >those weapons to him during the Iran/Iraq conflict, but recently >released documents prove that he and the rest of his cabal knew that >Iraq was using chemical warfare on Iranian civilians at the time. > Anyone who read the New York Times was aware of it when it happened. But this is getting too OT -- Happy 2003, only prime year of the decade! Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 16:40:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02042; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:37:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:37:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E1601F0.60F75B8F@ubuibi.org> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:34:40 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------64A3592AC79EE16FE871D878" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------64A3592AC79EE16FE871D878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well at least it's an interesting time to be here. join the fight...(mark knows what i mean others may want to check the glowing bush head on our site...ubuibi.org) locally (alameda) tuesdays & thursdays there is an ongoing peace vigil from the h.s.students in front of city hall, we've been joining them. most of the battle is education of the mass of sheep out there and speaking of gated communities....one third of america is now over 60 in ten years it will be half...boy are we going to have gate within gate then. [Image] sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really want to > move out of the U.S. Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to ever be > fixed and that democracy is long dead. However, unless you've got a company > that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very difficult to move > these days. Any tips? Anyone want to sponsor to very skilled, hard working > computer graphics/animation/music people? Can we seek political asylum? I > hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding weapons." and then > I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into American US > forces radio. Makes me physically ill. > > I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat. > > Mark Sottilaro > > --------------64A3592AC79EE16FE871D878 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------7499BE2FDC05EF2200959497" --------------7499BE2FDC05EF2200959497 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well at least it's an interesting time to be here.
join the fight...(mark knows what i mean others may want to check the glowing bush head on our site...ubuibi.org)
locally (alameda) tuesdays & thursdays there is an ongoing peace vigil from the h.s.students in front of city hall, we've  been joining them.
most of the battle is education of the mass of sheep out there

and speaking of gated communities....one third of america is now over 60 in ten years it will be half...boy are we going to have gate within gate then.

sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:

My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really want to
move out of the U.S.  Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to ever be
fixed and that democracy is long dead.  However, unless you've got a company
that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very difficult to move
these days.  Any tips?  Anyone want to sponsor to very skilled, hard working
computer graphics/animation/music people?  Can we seek political asylum?  I
hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding weapons." and then
I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into American US
forces radio.  Makes me physically ill.

I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat.

Mark Sottilaro
 
 

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--------------64A3592AC79EE16FE871D878-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 16:50:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02733; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:48:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:48:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E1604AF.9777085B@ubuibi.org> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:46:23 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at and speaking of wtc....we were in europe when it happened and no one there we met thought that 'america' had been attacked, just the two symbols for the corporate shit engulfing us and the u.s. war machine bully From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 16:51:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02804; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:49:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:49:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:51:31 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated Community) In-reply-to: <3E1601F0.60F75B8F@ubuibi.org> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030103120253.037f4520@icicle.net> <3E15E2DC.B1D62A83@zerocrossing.net> <3E1601F0.60F75B8F@ubuibi.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:34 PM -0800 1/3/03, das wrote: >and speaking of gated communities....one third of america is now >over 60 in ten years it will be half...boy are we going to have gate >within gate then. Half of the human population in our household is over 60. We have two gates on our driveway. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 16:51:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02828; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:49:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:49:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:53:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Michael, for posting this well thought out essay, which I'll be irritating most of my friends with. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 17:03:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04739; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:00:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:00:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:00:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c2b373$7d208790$0200a8c0@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_wwoeB.A.9JB.tfgF-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What ever happened to looping here -----Original Message----- From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community Thanks, Michael, for posting this well thought out essay, which I'll be irritating most of my friends with. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 17:08:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05279; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:07:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:07:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030103220642.43580.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:06:42 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200301032140.QAA02269@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As the question was asked about where would one go if they left the US, here are a few thoughts of mine. Current politics in New Zealand tend towards being interested in what the people are thinking. A land mass the size of California and a population one fifth the size of Los Angeles. The American dollar goes pretty far there. There are some pretty hip communities around Auckland on the north island and Golden Bay on the south island. Australia would be a good choice as well. If big city turns you on, I've heard great things about Brussels. Though economics are tough in Argentina right now, the people are among the greatest I've ever met. I'd seriously consider moving there if I had some sort of plan to make a humble living. Again, the American dollar goes very far there. Canada worked in the 60's and it's still a great place with great people and sensible politics (relatively). You can easily rent a "summer home" there or a "winter retreat" and not raise any eyebrows. Just keep a current drivers license in the States and everyone will think that you live in the US part time as well. For myself, I'll probably stay here in the States. Somebody has to stay behind to counteract all these God-fearing-bible-thumpers... SVG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 3 17:12:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05569; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:11:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <146.6cafa8d.2b476450@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:10:24 EST Subject: loopers zeitgeist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 
well.....wherever we hold this year's "WORLD LOOPFEST" that's where we should 
all move to.....i decided for the new year to quit watching the news, it is 
making me nuts yet here we are talking about moving out of america on LD (my 
little "escape" universe).....ladies and gentlemen, these are some truely 
weird times, seems ive already "been here, done that" though for a really 
long time AND NOTHING CHANGES.....perhaps it's no longer taking my meds thats 
makin me a little edgy.....i just had a thought (surprise!), what if they 
could just pull the plug on the internet, what if there was no more LD, 
e-mail, news lists, JUST TV would exist and all that would be on would be 
FUCKIN BUSH AND THE FUCKIN BUSH PUPPETS.....is it possible to move far enuf 
away from their dreams of empire.....yikes!......actually, im very happy 
because i do not have to work tonite so im off to throw a few switches and 
begin to make the big NOISE.....a true AMOR-I-CAN.....:).....michael

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I am a bit puzzled.
These public statement about the thinking to expat leaves me puzzled.
Listen: I am french, and I got no real sympathy for some of the event 
some of you seem to live with quite badly.
I made a myself sure to have enough info to be able to start to 
understand a little something.
I did not imagine such a reaction though.
After all, Zappa had this kind of language quite a while ago already 
(and he paid it dearly), but that seemed like middle age...

I see my own country (France) turning not exactly the way I'd like too, 
since the last elections too...
I have been studying recently accounting, economy and financial things 
to try to start 1) keep an eye not to be overwhelmed at what happens,
2) to be able to undersatnd, and make models, and
3) to eventualy be able to draw some not too stupid conclusions, which 
is by far the most difficult.

I have though always been quite admirative of the way americans were by 
far better than anyone when it came to self criticize, and of course 
nowadays let foreigners like me to think american stopped to do this, or 
at least, are impeded is some way to be able to express themself as, if 
I remember well, your first amendment garanties.

To me, these post are quite a breath of fresh air for which I want to 
express gratitude.
It may be silly (I'm sure there are such things everywhere  wouldI  
search on the web) but it is our little community here.
And more than ever, it looks sane, intelligent and thinking.

Thanks to all.

Olivier Malhomme



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>      For myself, I'll probably stay here in the States.  Somebody has to
stay behind to counteract
> all these God-fearing-bible-thumpers...

To be fair, I don't think being God-fearing is the problem - true, a large
portion of the insane right-wing in the US claim a Christian affiliation,
even going so far as to cite it as the inspiration for their bizarre
ideology, but it doesn't take that much of a critique to see that it has
bugger-all to do with the foundational principles of any of the world's
great religions. The religious far-right in the US are about as close to
'true' christianity as the taliban are to true Islam - since when did Jesus
talk about the darwinian onward march of the free-market or the clamp-down
on freedom of speech... I seem to remember blessed are the poor in there
somewhere too...

namaste

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk


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  Not much looping happening down there tough...

  That's why I relocated to Paris France where there is even less...

  




At 10:26 a.m. 03/01/03 -0800, you wrote:
>
>My gf/partner and I are planning on Oaxaca, Mexico by mid-94.
>
>Daryl Shawn
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>
>> For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family on its first
>> "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that look good on paper
>> will actually make a decent home in real life.  We're shooting for the EU
>> in early 2004...
>
>

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I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?


At 05:00 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, Alan Kroeger wrote:
>What ever happened to looping here
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com] 
>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:53 PM
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>
>Thanks, Michael, for posting this well thought out essay, which I'll 
>be irritating most of my friends with. 

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String gauge is irrelevant to making loop based music.  Use what ever gauge you like.  Larger gauges
generally have better tone, but are harder to play.  Find out what works and just do it.

Mark Sottilaro

Sean Echevarria wrote:

> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?
>
> At 05:00 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, Alan Kroeger wrote:
> >What ever happened to looping here
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com]
> >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:53 PM
> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community
> >
> >
> >Thanks, Michael, for posting this well thought out essay, which I'll
> >be irritating most of my friends with.

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brainstorm~ the ultimate looper.


I would like to loop a cherry sundae, please.


~Peter.










 










>From: Sean Echevarria 

>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>Subject: RE: American Empire as Gated Community 

>Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:19:03 -0800 

> 

>I want to play loop music on a guitar. What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music? 

> 

> 

>At 05:00 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, Alan Kroeger wrote: 

> >What ever happened to looping here 

> > 

> >-----Original Message----- 

> >From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com] 

> >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:53 PM 

> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

> >Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community 

> > 

> > 

> >Thanks, Michael, for posting this well thought out essay, which I'll 

> >be irritating most of my friends with. 


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We all love, we all get hungry, we all have dreams and desires.  There is no
other country like the USA.  The hope the USA offers is to present to us all
a vision of what could be if/when all the people of the world are mixed and
combined into one society.    However, this hope is often derailed by
insular thinking.

I think we need an amendment to the constitution to require all candidates
for President of the USA to have lived at least 24 contiguous months OUTSIDE
the USA.  After all, if you want to be in charge of a nation whose actions
impacts every other culture on the planet, you better understand a bit about
the rest of the planet!

God bless the much misunderstood and often maligned French for consistently
offering an alternative to Anglo-Saxon predicaments that get the USA and UK
backed against a self-created wall of self-righteousness.  When the you're
looking for a western country where education, healthcare and the quality of
life rivals anything found in the world, vive la France!


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Echevarria" 

> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand 
>and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?

Yes. Orange soap shortwave, but on every third 
full moon of a leap year - always scan the string
with a red piano.


* David Beardsley
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At 10:12 PM +0000 1/3/03, Steve Lawson wrote:

>To be fair, I don't think being God-fearing is the problem...since 
>when did Jesus talk about the darwinian onward march of the 
>free-market or the clamp-down on freedom of speech... I seem to 
>remember blessed are the poor in there somewhere too...

Religion has never of itself been the problem, but the co-option of 
religion by the politically ambitious has commonly led to great 
"evil" (to use their terminology. There are many fine and sincere 
Christians who oppose war and embrace the core teachings of Christ, 
but they are not the ones in charge. I propose adoption of the term 
"Christianist" (cf. "Islamist") to denote those who would pervert 
Christianity for political and economic gain.
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Perhaps totally OT, let's remember, though, that the internet is still
uncensored and the best communication tool available now, but the level of
propaganda going on, and it is far from being new but only getting worse, in
the media in general could be compared to the level of mercantilism in the
music industry. Mostly fabricated myths.
And /t reaction is illuminating in that sense: the politics of fear do work
in shutting down any possible honest debate because it makes us, people,
want to lock ourselves in and voluntarily shut up. /t, do not worry, there
are far, far more dissident people speaking up and they're not yet shut
down, nor easily prosecuted: they are just denied access to mass mediaŠ
And certainly every artist bears some form of social responsibility, as Mr.
Eno seems to show. So a LD list is not necessarily a bad place to digress a
couple of times, especially when one realizes what is at stakes these daysŠ
How people do not run screaming in the streets, I do not comprehend.
In my view Mr. Eno's article definitely has some virtues, but is far limited
compared to what specialists and scholars like Noam Chomsky, Derrick Jensen,
John Zerzan, Ward Churchill and many others have been, and still are more
than ever, saying for years.
And yes propaganda is a chatty loop that repeats over and over andŠ never
fades.






EtcŠ

Respectfully,

-- 
Laurent

laurentbrondel@earthlink.net
http://www.laurentbrondel.com

"To know and not to do is not to know."
Wang Yang Ming


> Subject: Re: American Empire as Gated Community
> 
>> This is one loop it would be great to see us fade and move beyond.
> 
> Very much so.
> 
> And wise people probably don't want to see their anti-government
> remarks on a public mailing list these days... due process and
> the Bill of Rights aren't applicable to the War against Terrorism.
> Please be careful.
> 
>    /t
> -- 
> 
> http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday!
> http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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Same here, and probably for a lot of expatriates for whom it is an option to
move out of the US. But can't we be more useful in the still relatively
comfortable belly of the beast?
Although these days, in paying taxes in the US, I do not see schools,
low-income housing or even some music research in Universities. No, what I
see are US bombs falling on civilians, huge subsidies for corporations, new
US jails and so onŠ
But I wouldn't want to pay taxes in the UK or France eitherŠ

Laurent



> From: "mr.monk" 
> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:28:56 -0500
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> 
> On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 02:22 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> 
>> 
>> My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really
>> want to
>> move out of the U.S.  Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to
>> ever be
>> fixed and that democracy is long dead.
> 
> 
> wow my wife and i have had the same conversation and i seriously looked
> at moving to the netherlands.  i thought about england, but i think
> they are getting more like the us everyday...

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At 05:42 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, David Beardsley wrote:


----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Sean Echevarria" <sean_@mindspring.com>


> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand 

>and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?


Yes. Orange soap shortwave, but on every third 

full moon of a leap year - always scan the string

with a red piano.





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Mark dude!  I was expecting something a little different from you...


At 02:35 PM 2003/01/03 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>String gauge is irrelevant to making loop based music.  Use what ever gauge you like.  Larger gauges
>generally have better tone, but are harder to play.  Find out what works and just do it.
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>Sean Echevarria wrote:
>
>> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?
>>
>> At 05:00 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, Alan Kroeger wrote:
>> >What ever happened to looping here
>> >

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At 12:22 PM 1/3/2003 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really want to
>move out of the U.S.  Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to ever be
>fixed and that democracy is long dead.  However, unless you've got a company
>that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very difficult to move
>these days.  Any tips?  Anyone want to sponsor to very skilled, hard working
>computer graphics/animation/music people?  Can we seek political asylum?  I
>hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding weapons." and then
>I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into American US
>forces radio.  Makes me physically ill.
>
>I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat.

Mark,

That's exactly the way my wife and I have felt for quite a while.  I spent 
12 years during the 80's/90's doing my part for democracy and 'fighting the 
system'.  By the last few years though, I was waking up every morning 
thinking "I've *got* to get out this frickin' country before it drives me 
nuts".  Unfortunately, I never did.  And while things had seemed to get 
better over the past few years, it all came rushing back again after the 
last election.

As for jobs, a lot of countries are making exceptions for computer and 
technical professions in particular.  Give some thought to which country 
you'd like to look at, and I can probably find some job links.  You can 
probably get a rough idea by doing searches over in the global gateway at 
Monster (http://international.monster.com).  You can also get some tips to 
start a general expat search at Escape from America 
(http://www.escapeartist.com) as well.

And regarding political asylum, I've thought about the same possibility 
previously.  Really, I think you might be able to make a case, but I don't 
know that anyone from here in the States has tried before.  It would 
certainly be an embarrassment to the administration (bonus!).  Generally, 
however, most of the countries that regularly act as asylums for the 
downtrodden and oppressed (the Netherlands, for instance) require that 
those requesting asylum be in imminent danger to life or liberty.  I can 
definitely see where an American Muslim (or other alternative religion) may 
be able to make a case.  Likewise if Ashcroft and company continue on their 
current course (i.e. detention camps for all...) one may be able to make a 
similar argument as a political dissident.

It's going to vary from country to country, but let me know offline if you 
want to explore the possibility, and I'll see if I can scare up some more 
resources.

         -c-

_____
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On this theme, there are some fantastic resources/book recommendations and
weblinks over at http://www.spearheadvibrations.com - not to mention the
remarkable social and political content of Spearhead's music anyway.

Cheers

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk
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having your life together does"
M Franti, 1992"


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>If you can't say that you're against the
>actions of a president in a democracy, then you do not live in a
>democracy.

This is surely one of the most powerful, direct, cogent and succinct ways 
I've heard this put. I've been trying to say exactly that ever since 9/11.

Pardon me for gushing but I have to admit a rush of warm feeling and 
gratitude at everyone's insightful, sensitive replies to this issue. This 
could definitely be fodder for flame wars, and as such I probably should not 
have replied as I did in the first place; but the thoughtful, intelligent 
comments everyone has made have reaffirmed my belief in this tiny community. 
And that's not just because most of the sentiment expressed happens to agree 
with my take on things.

I feel for a moment as if I'm back in grad school, experiencing one of those 
positive "universality" bonding moments from a mock therapy group.

=)

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Hey Mark,

is there any way to swap citizenship? I'd gladly exchange my German
citizenship for your US American one without further thought (thought about
this enough already, that is). Perhaps I can tell you a few points which are
so terribly wrong in Germany, it makes me puke every day:

	* We did learn in school that for a democracy, we need three powers
(legislative, executive and judicative
	  powers) which are independent of each other. In Germany, the legislative
elects the executive, which in
	  turn decides about the judicative...

	* Germany is called "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" (short "BRD"), which
translates to Federal Republic of 	  Germany. Yet the BRD/FRG is not a bit
more federal than the DDR/GDR (German Democratic Republic) was
democratic.

	* The income, pensions and other services available to politicians give you
a reason to become one alone,
	  especially if you're underqualified, stupid and detest hard work. This
may be the case in other countries,
	  too, but it is the worst in Germany (compare i.e. the salaries of
politicians internationally). Whats more,
	  with about one third of the US Government, we have roughly twice the
amount of congressmen...

	* The last twenty years (resulting from the last two governments, with the
second still in power) were the
	  worst in the history of Germany since Adolf Hitler. Politicans of any
camp have excelled each other in
	  acting strictly against the recommendations of leading economists and
other scientists.

	* I don't know how this works in the U.S. (I had noticed the massive media
coverage of the trials against
	  policemen beating up African Americans et al.), but it works like this in
Germany. If a police officer
	  shoots an innocent citizen for no apparent reason, the D.A. won't even
investigate the case.

Enough already? More details about one of the great countries in Europe
off-list, if desired. So please, all of you always keep in mind: the place
you live in only looks so bad to you because you live close enough to notice
all of the hidden dark sides. If you're a citizen of the U.S. with a job, I
can't see any reason to move at least to most parts of Europe (including
Germany, France, Italy, England and Spain).

Personally, I do have a language problem with a lot of countries (meaning I
don't speak their language), so countries like Sweden, Finnland etc. are
more or less out of the question. What remains (counting out the countries
mentioned above for being crap too) is perhaps Swizerland?

	Rainer

Rainer Straschill
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
> Sent: Freitag, 3. Januar 2003 20:22
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Moving to Europe. (was Re: American Empire as Gated
> Community)
>
>
> My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we
> really want to
> move out of the U.S.  Frankly, we feel the system is too
> broken to ever be
> fixed and that democracy is long dead.  However, unless
> you've got a company
> that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very
> difficult to move
> these days.  Any tips?  Anyone want to sponsor to very
> skilled, hard working
> computer graphics/animation/music people?  Can we seek
> political asylum?  I
> hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding
> weapons." and then
> I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into
> American US
> forces radio.  Makes me physically ill.
>
> I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> Catilyne wrote:
>
> > At 01:55 PM 1/3/2003 +0100, Michael Peters wrote:
> >
> > >American Empire as Gated Community
> > >by BRIAN ENO
> > >
> > >         [*snip*]
> > >
> > >....The result is: Europe has less crime and less
> > >poverty and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S.,
> which makes
> > >a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got.
> >
> > Well, judging from many of the other mailing lists I'm on,
> there are a
> > whole lotsa people out there who are actively making/have
> made plans to get
> > some of what they've got -- or, in other words, expatriate
> their families
> > out of the US.  Although, to be fair, Europe and Canada
> seem to be running
> > about neck & neck in the race for favorite expat destination.
> >
> > For my part, in only two weeks we'll be taking the family
> on its first
> > "exploratory tour" to see which of the destinations that
> look good on paper
> > will actually make a decent home in real life.  We're
> shooting for the EU
> > in early 2004...
> >
> >          -c-
> >
> > _____
> > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
> >                                                  -recoil
>
>


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Please unsubscribe me.  Your list is populated by the most scurrilous of
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----- Original Message ----- 
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> Please unsubscribe me.  Your list is populated by the most scurrilous of
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You forgot to change the subject to unsubscribe,
it's the only way to leave the list.  ;)

dB

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Thanks for sharing this Karen, nonetheless.  One wonders if BE hasn't been
spending too much time [a] in LA, or [b] around Bono.  It brings to mind
also the image of  a pioneer in ambient landscapes being also affected by
the landscapes he inhabits.  I won't go on at length about it, as it's quite
futile if not bad manners to argue politics on a newsletter not on the topic
of same.  As a US citizen and UK resident, I find the kind of extreme
business BE is spouting here quite ordinary if not altogether boring, as
such opinions are quite popular in the UK with the Labour intelligencia and
wannabe glitterati as well.  The anti-American sentiment on the part of the
British press is fairly commonplace and pretty much taken for granted.  On
9-11 the BBC didn't begin to fully report on the WTC atrocities, until the
second tower fell, and it was known British citizens were involved.  As if
it made a difference!

> Brian Eno is a musician who believes that regime change begins at home.

He should start at home, which the last time I checked is no utopian
paradise, but rather a bad socialistic wet dream that survives solely on the
resiliance and creativity of its people.  To paraphrase Byron, the American
people have a fatal affectation for all things British - and in many
respects the inverse is true as well.  Play a Blues song in the midst of a
set here, no matter what kind of music you're playing, and the crowd goes
wild.

Most British folks including my wife don't know much about America despite
the ongoing good relations between the two countries' citizens (not just
their governments).  Blair's pretty much a lapdog for anyone in the White
House, and most Americans somehow don't get this, instead having been
presented a picture of loyalty and cross-Atlantic brotherhood via No.10
through the US media.  The UK is xenophobic beyond the understanding of even
the KKK, though most Americans know or hear nothing of it, and the press
hardly reports it unless it happens in a spectacular way.  A trip to a
football match - anywhere in the UK - will treat one to a stream of racist
invective the likes of which would have people in jail in the US.  It's not
just a "hooligan issue", folks.  And it doesn't just happen in the UK.
Mercy sakes!  It's not an egalitarian utopia?  The horror!

Perspective is a marvelous thing.  One is certainly entitled to their
opinion, and I will defend always one's right to express it.  I couldn't
however stay silent and allow the single opinion of a single person be
presented as if it is a norm, especially as it comes from an extremely
limited scope of experience and information.  I would put it to all that
British people have no more idea as to what it's like to be American, than
Americans have an idea as to what it's like to be British.  Though many
Americans would no doubt find the old argument about an American "Empire"
not only boring, but also inaccurate and, in this case, just bad mirroring.
So, start at home, Brian, in what used to be an Empire.  There's still a
load of work for you to do in the UK, if you really want to do something on
that level.

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SVG makes some excellent points below, so rather than reply to another six 
messages, I'll just compile my thoughts with his.  This is based on some of 
the information I've snarfed from a couple years research, but is not 
necessarily firsthand (or in other words, I ain't actually visited these 
places myself).  Therefore, YMMV, all standard disclaimers apply, 
yaddayaddayadda...

Oaxaca, Mexico: Daryll, I can't believe you brought up Oaxaca in 
particular.  For years, I had a friend who was born and raised in Oaxaca 
(unfortunately, I knew him through my ex- so I've lost contact long 
since).  By all accounts, the words "tropical paradise" were coined for 
just such places.

New Zealand: Good investment if you can save up some cash and use $US 
Dollars to purchase property before expatriating.  Don't know how 
employment pays if you're working for Kiwi company however.

Australia: I've heard inflation is out of control for the time being, and 
everything costs way too much unless you're working for a company paying 
you in $USD.

Brussels: Nice city, but you've got to work around language quirks (the job 
you get may require Flemish, or Francais, or both), and the taxes are some 
of the worst I've come across.  Also, most of the expat boards seem much 
more concerned than most with employment, so it sounds as if getting a job 
may be pretty difficult.

Argentina: Lots of the expat advisors are screaming "buy, buy, buy" in 
regard to Argentinian property, citing the exact same arguments SVG just 
did.  A great deal right now, and everybody feels the economy is going to 
bounce back just fine.  It's just going to take a little time.

Canada: I've already got friends who have made the move to both Toronto and 
Vancouver.  I've been up to Toronto several times myself, and it's a kewl 
city filled with nice people.  Canada's a good option for those who don't 
want to deal with major language or culture issues.  Not to mention after 3 
years residence, you can apply for citizenship, then move to a nice 
Carribean paradise without having to pay any taxes back to your new home 
country.  FYI, the US is one of the few countries in the world where you 
have to pay taxes back to the US no matter where in the world you actually 
earn the income (the only other countries who do this are typically 
well-known bastions of human rights... like Libya).

The Netherlands: This is where we first started investigating, since 
Holland has a great record with tolerance, equality, and human rights.  To 
paraphrase something I've heard Rick Steves actually say on one of his 
programs, "the Americans I know who have relocated to the Netherlands are 
some of the happiest Americans I have ever known."  This only moved down 
our personal list of countries because my wife and I intend to have a large 
family.  Since the Netherlands is the most densely populated country in all 
Europe, finding a nice roomy house that will comfortably support a family 
with at least five kids is not easy -- or cheap.

France: I'm sure there are lots of people who can speak firsthand on living 
in France.  While we've got a real draw to the country itself (property 
costs in Southern France are at an all time low, as well as Paris probably 
being one of the easier places for me to find a job), the politics seem to 
be following the United States' lead in rolling back privacy and 
rights.  Although it would still be an improvement over where we are now.

Cyprus & Greece: Nice vacation destinations, perhaps great for a summer 
home.  However, not much hope of making a decent wage on Cyprus, and Greece 
would draft me.  'Nuff said...

Central Europe: This is where we're actually visiting at the end of this 
month.  First choice for us (on paper at least) is Budapest.  Hungary seems 
to be doing best of the former Eastern Block, property is reasonably 
priced, and if you can pick up a job with an International company, the 
exchange rate means you can live very comfortably.  It looks to be a really 
beautiful city as well, but I guess we'll find out in a couple of 
weeks.  Prague, Czech Republic is second choice.  There seem to be more 
jobs available in Prague, but they don't look as if they pay as well as 
Budapest.  Also, I've heard that you can't spit in Prague without hitting 
an expat (someone actually told me that there are more expatriates there 
than Paris).

Ummm, boy, I really went on there for a bit didn't I?  Okay, I'll try to 
shut up now for a little while...  ;)

         -c-



At 02:06 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, S V G wrote:

>      As the question was asked about where would one go if they left the 
> US, here are a few thoughts of mine.
>
>      Current politics in New Zealand tend towards being interested in 
> what the people are thinking.  A land mass the size of California and a 
> population one fifth the size of Los Angeles.  The American dollar goes 
> pretty far there.  There are some pretty hip communities around Auckland 
> on the north island and Golden Bay on the south island.
>
>      Australia would be a good choice as well.
>
>      If big city turns you on, I've heard great things about Brussels.
>
>      Though economics are tough in Argentina right now, the people are 
> among the greatest I've ever met.  I'd seriously consider moving there if 
> I had some sort of plan to make a humble living. Again, the American 
> dollar goes very far there.
>
>      Canada worked in the 60's and it's still a great place with great 
> people and sensible politics (relatively).  You can easily rent a "summer 
> home" there or a "winter retreat" and not raise any eyebrows.  Just keep 
> a current drivers license in the States and everyone will think that you 
> live in the US part time as well.
>
>      For myself, I'll probably stay here in the States.  Somebody has to 
> stay behind to counteract all these God-fearing-bible-thumpers...
>
>          SVG
>
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> We all love, we all get hungry, we all have dreams and desires.  There is
no
> other country like the USA.  The hope the USA offers is to present to us
all
> a vision of what could be if/when all the people of the world are mixed
and
> combined into one society.    However, this hope is often derailed by
> insular thinking.
>
> I think we need an amendment to the constitution to require all candidates
> for President of the USA to have lived at least 24 contiguous months
OUTSIDE
> the USA.

I'd append to that by saying "and outside a university system."  It'd mean
they'd see the way the real world lives.

S.P. Goodman
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Even though a few are unsubscribing, etc., the posts on this website suggest
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!?  Why?  Have I shown an alliance to a gauge of string or any other
piece of gear in the past?  Work with what you know/have/like and make
nice music.  Sure, I have opinions, but to suggest there is a brand and
gauge of strings that works better is silly.

Mark Sottilaro

Sean Echevarria wrote:
> 
> Mark dude!  I was expecting something a little different from you...
> 
> At 02:35 PM 2003/01/03 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> >String gauge is irrelevant to making loop based music.  Use what ever gauge you like.  Larger gauges
> >generally have better tone, but are harder to play.  Find out what works and just do it.
> >
> >Mark Sottilaro
> >
> >Sean Echevarria wrote:
> >
> >> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?
> >>
> >> At 05:00 PM 2003/01/03 -0500, Alan Kroeger wrote:
> >> >What ever happened to looping here
> >> >

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No, no, no - you took me seriously.  I would have expected you to take me to task for posting such an inane question.  

Note that I asked about loop music as if it was a genre like nu-metal.  
Note that I brought up guitar strings, a topic that is generally maligned on this list, the prototypical bad topic - almost moreso than political diatribes.

:)


At 07:37 PM 2003/01/03 -0800, Mark wrote:
>!?  Why?  Have I shown an alliance to a gauge of string or any other
>piece of gear in the past?  Work with what you know/have/like and make
>nice music.  Sure, I have opinions, but to suggest there is a brand and
>gauge of strings that works better is silly.
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>Sean Echevarria wrote:
>> 
>> Mark dude!  I was expecting something a little different from you...
>> 
>> At 02:35 PM 2003/01/03 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>> >String gauge is irrelevant to making loop based music.  Use what ever gauge you like.  Larger gauges
>> >generally have better tone, but are harder to play.  Find out what works and just do it.
>> >
>> >Mark Sottilaro
>> >
>> >Sean Echevarria wrote:
>> >
>> >> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?

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...and while you're at it, send the unsubscribe to the correct address
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David Beardsley wrote:
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> 
> > Please unsubscribe me.  Your list is populated by the most scurrilous of
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> > inanities.  Some time must be reserved for intelligent activities, and
> > when the signal-to-noise ratio becomes too poor, it's time to leave.
> 
> You forgot to change the subject to unsubscribe,
> it's the only way to leave the list.  ;)
> 
> dB

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Haha!  OK, you caught me off guard.  My sense of humor has been pretty
stretched these days... with what's going on in the world, and the fact
that I had an unusually difficult vasectomy recently causing me spend a
*lot* of time sitting on ice. (I'm mostly OK now, no need to worry.  I
gave myself a nice present to make loops with while I recovered!)

That being said, I use Steinberger .10s made for the TransTrem system. 
Nice.

Now that we know most of us generally are unhappy with the polititions,
let's get back to more talk of looping!  My wife got me the new KAOSS
Pad II for christmas and it has really nice looping possibilities!  Two
sample memories and the ability to trigger them while in other effect
patches so the effects can be applied to the loops.  Put that in the fx
loop of your Repeater and it's a helluva time!  It's going for $299 US,
but she got it for $260 at the Guitar Center.

Mark Sottilaro


Sean Echevarria wrote:
> 
> No, no, no - you took me seriously.  I would have expected you to take me to task for posting such an inane question.
> 
> Note that I asked about loop music as if it was a genre like nu-metal.
> Note that I brought up guitar strings, a topic that is generally maligned on this list, the prototypical bad topic - almost moreso than political diatribes.
> 
> :)
> 
> At 07:37 PM 2003/01/03 -0800, Mark wrote:
> >!?  Why?  Have I shown an alliance to a gauge of string or any other
> >piece of gear in the past?  Work with what you know/have/like and make
> >nice music.  Sure, I have opinions, but to suggest there is a brand and
> >gauge of strings that works better is silly.
> >
> >Mark Sottilaro
> >
> >Sean Echevarria wrote:
> >>
> >> Mark dude!  I was expecting something a little different from you...
> >>
> >> At 02:35 PM 2003/01/03 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> >> >String gauge is irrelevant to making loop based music.  Use what ever gauge you like.  Larger gauges
> >> >generally have better tone, but are harder to play.  Find out what works and just do it.
> >> >
> >> >Mark Sottilaro
> >> >
> >> >Sean Echevarria wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for loop music?

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 Hi,
>
> I was going to post the following on ebay but thought I would give people
on the list first chance. I can only accept paypal for these items as I am
in need of funds quickly. Prices include shippping unless noted and are for
US only. Ok,email me if you have questions about specific item or paypal me
(even better):
>
> 1)Lexicon Jamman with footswitch- 1 rackspace looping processor.Excellent
condition- $425.00 +$10s/h
>
> 2)Marshall JCM30 1x12" all tube 2 ch. combo amp with footswitch, reverb,
EQ,F/X loop, vintage celestion/marshall12"in,unreal sound, clean and and
lead ch. lead ch sounds like jcm800 only smoother but still has that bitting
sound. Lots of gain,newly retubed-$400+$30s/h
>
> 3)IBM 390E Thinkpad laptop with case,PII-300mhz,160mb ram,6gig HD,CD,floppy,56kmodem,active 
matrix screen,wun98se,MSoffice,solid!!-$500.00+$20s/h
>
> 4)Fender dg-5 6 string acoustic guitar  with gig bag- nice sound,excellent
condition, could use action setup -$125.00+$20s/h
>
> 5)Derick Rush electric guitar with hardshell case- formerly a Fender
squire strat, redone by luthier derek rush, includes, 2 humbuckers,1 seymour
duncan jb and 1 59' PAF, 1 tone 1 volume, 3 way switch, maple neck, kahler
locking tremolo and locking tuners, color black with white pickguard. Was my
backup guitar, great strat type tones and great neck pickup tone as well,
only gripe was high e string would slip off the bridge when bent or played
real hard, but then again I am hard on guitars, looks good
cosmetically.Headstock has RUSH Guitars logo as he dressed the neck as
well.-$300.00+$20.00s/h
>
> 6)collapsible 5 guitar stand -padded stand,great for gigs $45+$7.00s/h
>
> 7)Nady wireless ear monitors and reciever- used,but never used by me
anyway-$80.00 +$5.00 s/h
>
> 8)Sure sm57beta microphones-2 mic's excellent conditions,betas version-$180.00+$10s/h 
>
> 9)Pr.of alesis monitor ones and Alesis ra-100 power amp- $325.00+$25.00
s/h
>
> 10)4 peavey speaker/amp stands- heavy duty angled speaker amp
stands,collapsible, wont seperate,heavy duty,can handle heavy
amps-$120.00+$10.00s/h
>
> 11)IBM Thinkpad 380ED Laptop-:pentium166mhz processor,win98, 3gig hd,49mb
ram,CD,floppy,56kmodem, color active matrix screen, includes case-NICE!! not
the fastest around but it is in excellent shape and is solid!!may need new
battery but comes with ac adapter -$400.00+$20s/h
>
> 12)Compaq Presarrio 1230 laptop-:AMD 233mhz processor,win98,96mb ram,3gig
hd,touchpad,cd,jbl speakers built in,floppy,56k modem,color active matrix
screen,includes nice targus case, -may need new battery,but comes with ac
adapter,$475.00+$20s/h
>
> 13)AMEK Tac Scorpion analog 38x8x2 38 ch. mixing console with Acopyian
power supply,6ft long, 4 mic pre's,nice console, shipping is outrageous
though,cost me $500 to get it shipped to me,nice warm tone,awesome
eq's,-$1600.00+buyer arranges and pays for shipping
>
> 14)Danalectro 'chilidog' octave pedal-$20.00+$5.00s/h

15)2 Scholtz 1/2 rackmount stereo chorus units-nice!!will sell individually -$100.00each+$20.00s/h

16)Zoom rythmtrack 123 drum machine-compact,lots of presets,bass and 2 drum tracks-$125.00+$20.00s/h

17)MAckie 1402provlz 14 ch Mixer wih provlz mic pre's-$380+$20s/h

18)3 digitech s200 multif/x studio processors,1 rack sp.,lots of presets,midi,lcd display- $150.00 ea+$20s/h

19)Soundtech m200 1rk space stereo power amp-200 watts solid state,xlr and 1/4" outs,nice!!-$200.00+$20s/h

20)2 Peavy 50/50 rack mount stereo tube power amp-$250.00ea +$30.00s/h

21)skb 10 sp.rack case-$80.00+$20.00 s/h

22)Fisher DVD player-$75.00 +$10.00 s/h

23)2 soundtech 15" &horn pa cabinets-$140.00ea +$30.00 s/h

24)4 Marshall 1922 2x12" celestion70 loaded cabinets,150wts,stereo/mono-$300.00each +$30.00s/h

25)2 Fender 15" &horn high capacity PA cabinets,300wt,600wt-$275.00each+$40s/h

26)ADA 2x10" bass cabinet-bass or full range,carpeted cab-$150+$30.00s/h

27)2 Roland vs-880ex 8trk digital recorders with f/x card-$450.00+$20.00s/h

28)Carver rackmount auto reverse tape deck w/remote-$100.00+$20.00s/h

29)BBE Sonic maimizer stereo 422-,1rack space processor-$75.00+$20.00s/h

30)Rca 4 head hifi VCR-$50+$10.00 s/h

31)umax astra 1200s dewsktop scanner with isa scsi card-$50.00+$20.00s/h

32)Panasonic 4100n laser printer-b/w-$75.00+$20s/h

33)ROcktron hush IICX noise recudtion unit,1 rqack space-$100.00+$20.00s/h

34)Lineartech l100 stereo power amp-500wtper ch.,solid state,class A,hifi, 3 rack space,speaker a/b-$200.00+$20s/h

35)JBL L120 4 way stereo speakers-Vintage JBL flagship model,Mahogany angled,5'height,passive EQ-$2000/pair+freight

36)Lake Butler RFC-1 Midi Mitigator pedalboard- full midi pedalboard with lcd display,includes exp.pedal-$350/$20s/h

37)Peavy tubefex tube/fx processor-24 bit processing,tube guitar preamp,multi fx,tubes run at 280volt-$400/$20s/h

38)zoom 56k PcMCia modem card-$45.00+3.75 s/h


well, I have some other items,but for now that's all. Prices are what I
would like for items, most are fixed,though shoot me an offer if you like.PAypal only as I need the money quickly.Moving must sell.
> Thanks
> Denis
>
> Denis Taaffe
> paypal:dtaaffe@indiana.edu
> http://www.dtguitar.com

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S.P. Goodman wrote,

> The anti-American sentiment on the
> part of the British press is fairly commonplace
> and pretty much taken for granted.


Ah, smelling anti-American sentiments again, eh? Just because someone dares
to criticize - and of course, Eno didn't criticize America as a whole, but
only those who claim to own 'the American spirit', bashing everyone else to
be anti-American. Wake up, man! To be truly American would mean no longer to
blindly follow those religious-conservative hardliners and power-hungry oil
billionaires into a brutal unnecessary war which will be led not for
humanist reasons, but solely for cheap oil and political control over it.

I recommend for you to read Crimson biographer Sid Smith's diary (Jan 3rd
entry) at http://diaries.krimson-news.com/SidSmith.shtml.
Sid writes about Eno's article:

> Dismissing this article as US bashing is to profoundly miss the point. Eno
’s words are equally applicable to the UK.

and:

> To be anti-Bush isn’t to be anti-American

but read for yourself.


= michael peters
= computer graphics + electronic music
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> God bless the much misunderstood and
> often maligned French for consistently
> offering an alternative to Anglo-Saxon
> predicaments that get the USA and UK
> backed against a self-created wall of
> self-righteousness.  When the you're
> looking for a western country where
> education, healthcare and the quality of
> life rivals anything found in the world,
> vive la France!


with all due respect to France, but the French government voted against a
war against Irak not out of humanist reasons, but because the French oil
industry has long-term contracts with Saddam Hussein, giving them cheap
access to the huge amounts of oil that waits to be exploited in the Iraqian
ground - whereas, you guessed it, the US and UK don't have such contracts,
and so they'll have to get access by force. Make no mistake (to use a nice
Bushism), the war will be led because of these reasons only. Cheap oil!
Driving huge oil gulping cars for very little money - that's many Americans'
idea of freedom, and the US economy is in fact based on this idea.


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I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
and wondered if anyone wants to join.

Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS

It'll be neat.

I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy
people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter,
Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure
I could convince into purchasing at least 
a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation.

...........if only Martin Luther King and
Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be
perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that
communitstic rhetoric they  would spout about 
non violence and human dignity...........

.............yeah, some crazy shit.......... 


round and round and round and round and round


loop.pool


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I WILL!

But i live in Norway (as you know) is that a prob???

(ps: to Rick.. got package, sounds good, will get onto venues soon.. few
comments but will mail you shortly...)
...............................
m  a  r  k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
...............................

----- Original Message -----
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> I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
> and wondered if anyone wants to join.
>
> Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
> THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS
>
> It'll be neat.
>
> I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy
> people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter,
> Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure
> I could convince into purchasing at least
> a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation.
>
> ...........if only Martin Luther King and
> Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be
> perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that
> communitstic rhetoric they  would spout about
> non violence and human dignity...........
>
> .............yeah, some crazy shit..........
>
>
> round and round and round and round and round
>
>
> loop.pool
>

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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you love or hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.


                    Show #14                    January 4, 2003.


PLAYLIST:

Phase I/Space:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Craig Padilla           Folding Space            Folding Space and Melting
                                                   Galaxies (Space for Music)
Nebula Drone            Moving Back to Liquid    A Long Fade Into Virtual
                          Dreams                   Light (Space for Music)
Thought Guild           Semiatic Sequence        [context] (HRR)
Under the Dome          Solar Gravity            Bellerophon (Neu Harmony)
Bjorn Lynne             Crystal Vista            Colony (none)

Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Terry Oldfield          Guardian Angel           Turning Point (New Earth)
Judith Lynne Dunlore    Road to Linsvardoon      Afternoon Shade (SSS)
Antony De Gennaro       Into Forever             Legends in Stone (none)

Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
Wayne Lytle             Stick Figures            Animusic (Animusic)
Simon Apple             On the Shoreline         From the Toybox (none)
IZZ                     I Get Lost               Sliver of a Sun (Doone Records)
Spock's Beard           Made Alive/Overture      Snow (Inside Out)
Spock's Beard           Stranger in a Strange    Snow (Inside Out)
                          Land
Spock's Beard           Long Time Suffering      Snow (Inside Out)
Spock's Beard           Welcome to NYC           Snow (Inside Out)
Spock's Beard           Love Beyond Words *      Snow (Inside Out)

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show in one month on January 18.

Bill
===============================================================================
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quote of the week-"But i live in Norway (as you know) is that a prob???" haha dt 8-)

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 8:57 AM
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I WILL!

But i live in Norway (as you know) is that a prob???

(ps: to Rick.. got package, sounds good, will get onto venues soon.. few
comments but will mail you shortly...)
...............................
m  a  r  k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
...............................

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 
To: 
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> I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
> and wondered if anyone wants to join.
>
> Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
> THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS
>
> It'll be neat.
>
> I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy
> people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter,
> Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure
> I could convince into purchasing at least
> a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation.
>
> ...........if only Martin Luther King and
> Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be
> perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that
> communitstic rhetoric they  would spout about
> non violence and human dignity...........
>
> .............yeah, some crazy shit..........
>
>
> round and round and round and round and round
>
>
> loop.pool
>

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damn, you almost made me spit out my chai! lol!

but of course we must have Noam Chomsky on vocals, yes?

=)






>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: 
>Subject: Anyone wanna join my new loop band?
>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 05:43:08 -0800
>
>I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
>and wondered if anyone wants to join.
>
>Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
>THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS
>
>It'll be neat.
>
>I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy
>people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter,
>Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure
>I could convince into purchasing at least
>a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation.
>
>...........if only Martin Luther King and
>Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be
>perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that
>communitstic rhetoric they  would spout about
>non violence and human dignity...........
>
>.............yeah, some crazy shit..........
>
>
>round and round and round and round and round
>
>
>loop.pool


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S V G" 

>      David,
> 
>      You can find it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/
> 
>      Fair warning however, the list is pretty emotionally reactive. 

I'll be ok, I'm just looking fer info.


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How bout Michael Moore on drums?










 










>From: "jj 179" 

>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>Subject: Re: Anyone wanna join my new loop band? 

>Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:40:55 +0000 

> 

>damn, you almost made me spit out my chai! lol! 

> 

>but of course we must have Noam Chomsky on vocals, yes? 

> 

>=) 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 

>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 

>>To: 

>>Subject: Anyone wanna join my new loop band? 

>>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 05:43:08 -0800 

>> 

>>I'm thinking of starting a new looping band 

>>and wondered if anyone wants to join. 

>> 

>>Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it 

>>THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS 

>> 

>>It'll be neat. 

>> 

>>I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy 

>>people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter, 

>>Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure 

>>I could convince into purchasing at least 

>>a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation. 

>> 

>>...........if only Martin Luther King and 

>>Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be 

>>perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that 

>>communitstic rhetoric they would spout about 

>>non violence and human dignity........... 

>> 

>>.............yeah, some crazy shit.......... 

>> 

>> 

>>round and round and round and round and round 

>> 

>> 

>>loop.pool 

> 

> 

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I wanna join your band! I'll make up some armbands that say SLW.


~Peter.










 










>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 

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>To: 

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>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 05:43:08 -0800 

> 

>I'm thinking of starting a new looping band 

>and wondered if anyone wants to join. 

> 

>Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it 

>THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS 

> 

>It'll be neat. 

> 

>I'm thinking of inviting some really crazy 

>people to be in it, like the Dalai Lama, Jimmy Carter, 

>Nelson Mandela................who I'm pretty sure 

>I could convince into purchasing at least 

>a DL-4 or a Boss Loopstation. 

> 

>...........if only Martin Luther King and 

>Ghandi were still alive.......they'd be 

>perfect SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS with all that 

>communitstic rhetoric they would spout about 

>non violence and human dignity........... 

> 

>.............yeah, some crazy shit.......... 

> 

> 

>round and round and round and round and round 

> 

> 

>loop.pool 


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Hello, first post here. Have benn lurking for a wille.hello to everyone.

In relation to this post: What !??!?! You must be jokking ....really!

Nuno.

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> >
> >
> > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at
> 
> and speaking of wtc....we were in europe when it happened and no one
> there we met thought that 'america' had been attacked,
> just the two symbols
> for the corporate shit engulfing us and the u.s. war machine bully
> 
> 

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At 7:01 PM -0600 1/2/03, Catilyne wrote:

>I never fully appreciated Note Off Velocity

You and a few million others! The obvious thing about note off 
velocity is that it enables you to control what happens during the 
release portion of an envelope  (in the tone module you're playing) 
and it lets you affect what happens in an effects processor when a 
not ends. A musical example might be to have an invers relationship 
between the release velocity and the release time, so that if you 
release a note gently it rings out but if you release it abruptly it 
cuts off. You could also control filter cutoff so that an abrupt 
release results in a brighter sound on release, giving a more 
"definitive" end to the note.

>Using Max for this had occurred to me, but I'd dismissed it as 
>overkill.  However, now that I actually think about it, can't you 
>compile freestanding applications with Max as well?  I thought I'd 
>heard that some of the different Pluggo's had been put together like 
>that.

Max is handy for all sorts of things, though even installed patches 
such as Pluggo require greater resources than an equivalent compiled 
application. I sometimes use Max for such trivial but useful 
applications as a decimal-to-hex convertor. It's also a great 
prototyping environment for "real" programmers who may later create 
optimized versions of their Max patches.
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At 5:43 AM -0800 1/4/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>I'm thinking of starting a new looping band and wondered if anyone 
>wants to join.
>
>Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS

I'm in.
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At 3:40 PM +0000 1/4/03, jj 179 wrote:

>but of course we must have Noam Chomsky on vocals, yes?

If Noam can't make it I have it covered on cassette and DVD. In fact, 
I used some Chomsky in my Y2K2 Loopfest performance.
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On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 02:13 AM, Catilyne wrote:

> France: I'm sure there are lots of people who can speak firsthand on 
> living in France.  While we've got a real draw to the country itself 
> (property costs in Southern France are at an all time low, as well as 
> Paris probably being one of the easier places for me to find a job), 
> the politics seem to be following the United States' lead in rolling 
> back privacy and rights.  Although it would still be an improvement 
> over where we are now.

Hey... I go away for a week or two, and all hell breaks on the list :) 
Happy new year to all.

Re: France, let me just say that for music, it is very hard to make a 
living. The venues pay badly, and all the good gigs are 'white work', 
which means that you have to go through all the cost and beaurocracy 
trying to get the right papers... This is France.... its all possible 
though if you don't mind an eternity of waiting, arguing, form-filling 
and frustration.

The tax/benefit system works against anyone not in mainstream work... 
to get the benefits of being an artist, you have to have 'x' amount of 
hours of proper contracted work from the previous year. Then you can 
join this elite club where they help you find work. To get contracted 
jobs, you often have to belong to this elite club.... All the job 
adverts are coded, and you can only get the contact details of the 
employer if you are a member of the club. My previous touring was black 
work.... I was screwed.

Beware of taxes. I'm paying a huge tax bill, even though I have no 
access to any benefits of any kind, and have paid income tax the entire 
time I've been working over here.

Re: the scene....

The police are now breaking up 'illegal concerts'. In other words, the 
venue owner has to contact the prefecture and obtain permission for 
every concert (live music). This involves form filling, time, money, so 
the venue owners are resorting to installing CD players. Too many 
musicians with not enough venues = people offer to play for free, which 
completely kills the market. "I've got a band of 19 year olds who are 
offering to play New Years Day for free, why should I pay you?" was the 
response from one gig I was chasing that went from 500 to 300 to 200 to 
100 and then to no Euros.... for a 5 piece band.

Accommodation in the cities (Paris, Marseilles etc) are small, 
expensive and not easy to make noise in without legal problems. They 
are also very hard to get .

For a studio apartment, you often have a queue of 20 other people 
viewing at the same hour, all clutching thick files including 
photocopies of payslips, tax returns, bills, bank statements, birth 
certificate, id cards, parents' bank statements, parents' driving 
license, parents' DNA samples.... etc. etc. If you don't have all the 
papers, then you have little hope. Re: the parents stuff, this is for 
people up to the age of 30 or so.... no kidding :)

I'm rambling. In other words, France is not good if you want the 
artists life.

But if you have money.... then it could work :)
-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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Hello all --
I've hardly been reading the digest recently because I've been taking a
break from gear/techno oriented things -- but I just wanted to say this last
thread about politics has been a breath of fresh air.  It's one of the
clearest discussions I've heard about the sad situation of our country --
and count me in the leftist looping band! 

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Hello all --

I've hardly been reading the digest recently because I've been taking a bre=
ak from gear/techno oriented things -- but I just wanted to say this last th=
read about politics has been a breath of fresh air.  It's one of the cl=
earest discussions I've heard about the sad situation of our country -- and =
count me in the leftist looping band!




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Rick,

Hey, are you accepting any CHRISTIAN LEFTIST WACKOS?
If so, count me in too my friend. Heheheheh. I'm really not 
so SCURRILOUS, and I'm really more WACKO than LEFTIST 
(for that matter too). But hey. Nobody's perfect. Sounds
like it's the place to be. I'm there!

In a message dated 1/4/03 5:46:51 AM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:

>I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
>and wondered if anyone wants to join.
>
>Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
>THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS
>
>It'll be neat.

Cheers

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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I tried being in a band with Noam, and he insisted that everything we
use be solar powered and we just couldn't get it loud enough here in the
often cloudy SF Bay area.

Mark Sottilaro

Richard Zvonar wrote:
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> At 3:40 PM +0000 1/4/03, jj 179 wrote:
> 
> >but of course we must have Noam Chomsky on vocals, yes?
> 
> If Noam can't make it I have it covered on cassette and DVD. In fact,
> I used some Chomsky in my Y2K2 Loopfest performance.
> --
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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How about - 

THE SCURRILOUS AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST AND RELIGIOUS LEFTIST WACKOS 



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This week - three artists armed with Line 6 DL/4s...

THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
  @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto
         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Tuesday Jan. 7th - Robert Hoare with cheryl o & Steven Sauve

Visiting from Berlin Germany, Canadian born composer and
saxophonist Rob Hoare returns to the Ping for fresh electroacoustic
explorations as he teams up with cellist/loopist cheryl o and
synthesist Steven Sauve (karmafarm) for an night of improvisations. 

Rob Hoare - http://www.robhoare.de
cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com
Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca

Between Sets CD - "Illusions Of Light" by SYLKEN (zero music)
All three of tonight's artists have performed live with Eric Hopper's
SYLKEN ensemble, and what better way to launch the New Year
at the Ping than spinning one of 2002's finest ambient releases?
(Read a full review of the CD by rik maclean later in this e-mail.)
http://www.sylken.ca
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats
are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique.
Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWs

"Illusions Of Light" by SYLKEN

Those of you that have been lucky enough to have seen SYLKEN
perform live are well aware of the sheer aural beauty created at
their shows.  SYLKEN creates stunningly vital, emotionally charged
music that responds to the surrounding environment and pulses
with a life of it's own. Their shows are truly moving musical events,
magical experiences that often leave me breathless.

The debut album, "Illusions Of Light" released by Zero Music,
brings together seven pieces highlighting some of the different
permutations of the project, and brilliantly represents the magic of
SYLKEN. Featuring work by some of  Toronto's most talented
ambient performers, "Illusions of Light" presents a perfect mixture 
of organic living sounds and carefully crafted synthesized tones.
Subtly processed guitar glides through Sleepless and First Star,
trumpet sweeps through Spirals like the passing of angels,
and exquisitely delicate synth arrangements lie underneath it all,
caressing the listener.  Bliss.

"Illusions Of Light" by SYLKEN is available now at PiNG THiNGS
for $15. To hear samples from this album or buy it via the web, visit
http://www.zeromusic.net/atmoworks/ethereal.htm#illusions

rik maclean -  torment@corpusnet.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday Jan. 14th - Hypnotech 3 & |head|phone|over|tone|
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I'll join, but I'm really sort of a moderate
fence-sitter politically, so I'll have to set up my
gear in the center.

-t-

Rilk Wacker wrote:
> >I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
> >and wondered if anyone wants to join.
> >
> >Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
> >THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS

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----- Original Message -----
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> S.P. Goodman wrote,
>
> > The anti-American sentiment on the
> > part of the British press is fairly commonplace
> > and pretty much taken for granted.
>
>
> Ah, smelling anti-American sentiments again, eh?

Nope, even the British press slags each other off about it.  I'm just
passing it on from BBC 24, amongst other sources.

> Just because someone dares
> to criticize - and of course, Eno didn't criticize America as a whole, but
> only those who claim to own 'the American spirit', bashing everyone else
to
> be anti-American. Wake up, man! To be truly American would mean no longer
to
> blindly follow those religious-conservative hardliners and power-hungry
oil
> billionaires into a brutal unnecessary war which will be led not for
> humanist reasons, but solely for cheap oil and political control over it.

A popular notion, but not necessarily correct.  You assume a stereotypic
jingoism on my part that a lot of folks fall back on lacking other means of
criticism.  Not so.  Go back and read what I wrote again, perhaps, and
choose to react afterwards.

> I recommend for you to read Crimson biographer Sid Smith's diary (Jan 3rd
> entry) at http://diaries.krimson-news.com/SidSmith.shtml.
> Sid writes about Eno's article:
>
> > Dismissing this article as US bashing is to profoundly miss the point.
Eno
> ’s words are equally applicable to the UK.
>
> and:
>
> > To be anti-Bush isn’t to be anti-American
>
> but read for yourself.

Always useful to see others' opinions, though not necessarily validating of
one point vs another.  I didn't post my own opinion as an invitation to
discourse, though.  Just the opinion I have as much a right to as others do
theirs, right?  Right?

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"Tim Nelson"  put forth:

> I'll join, but I'm really sort of a moderate
> fence-sitter politically, so I'll have to set up my
> gear in the center.
>
> -t-
>
> Rilk Wacker wrote:
> > >I'm thinking of starting a new looping band
> > >and wondered if anyone wants to join.
> > >
> > >Yeah, I'm thinking of calling it
> > >THE SCURRILOUS LEFTIST WACKOS

Back when I was co-running a SIG on CompuServe in the 80s, a guy from some
far-field one-person software co. got tweaked that we wouldn't let him post
proto-spam (this WAS 1985) for his editing program.  He called the three of
us sysops "sanctimonious bastards".  We debated the idea of having t-shirts
done up actually.  What a hoot!

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>> I want to play loop music on a guitar.  What brand and gauge of guitar strings work best for 
loop music?


     There really is only one choice for the conscientious Looper.  Victory Strings.  They only
come in one gauge, but that is the best gauge for Looping.


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At 10:52 PM -0800 1/2/03, S V G wrote:

>   RZ:  This system has both advantages and disadvantages. It assumes that
>pitch bends will always start within a semitone of the nominal pitch,
>but it's quite common for some players to bend down from a whole tone
>or a minor third above.
>
>    SVG:  This shouldn't be too big of a difference to matter.

It might not make an audible difference in performance, but it might 
confuse things in a MIDI recording

>SVG:   This doesn't jive with my understanding of how MIDI works, 
>one note that gets bent up or down an octave?  Wouldn't that sound 
>weird at the extremes?

Seems to work OK in the Cyberbass. I'm not sure if they have a 
proprietary system in their Cyberbass tone module, in order to switch 
between multisamples on the basis of pitch bend values. I'll look 
into it and get back to you.

>
>   RZ:  ...has some interesting possibilities for fretless and even 
>fretted MIDI guitars. For instance, it allows playing with flexible 
>intonation. Microtonal players (whose pitch discrimination can be 
>uncanny) would be able to play guitar synth in Just  or other 
>intonations without the synth having microtonal features. Even 
>though many synths have tuning capabilities, it requires switching 
>presets in order to change from one to another. With a MIDI pitch 
>bend based system the intonation would be left entirely to the 
>player.
>
>   SVG:  Again, I'm not sure that I understand what you are referring to here.

Perhaps I didn't explain it clearly. I'm talking about a dynamically 
"floating" intonation system where the player has complete control 
over the intonation rather than having to work within a predetermined 
tuning system. In other words, rather than having a scale that is set 
up with each step at a fixed frequency, the player could play each 
note at whatever frequency was contextually appropriate at the 
moment. This would allow migration through a variety of intonation 
systems in the course of a performance without having to set up 
several different tuning presets and switch from one to another.


>And the pitch bend accuracy would be to the nearest 1.5625 cents 
>(100 cents divided by 64) which is close enough for rock 'n' roll 
>(though some would moan in a most pitiful way).

That may be sufficient resolution for melodic playing, but if you 
want to play pure harmonic intervals and chords without beats its' 
not good enough.

>With the Kurzweil, you set up one octave and all the octaves are 
>locked into that same tuning.  With Emu, you have to set the tuning 
>for every single note which is more labor intensive yet it offers 
>much more flexibility

A better way to do it might be to allow the option of copying the 
tuning a range of notes into different octaves. That way you could 
easily do "intonation splits" where some octaves were in one 
intonation and other octaves where in another.


>Regardless of whether you are using a fretless or a fretted guitar, 
>you can set a user definable scale on your synth, turn off the 
>pitchbend, and anything you play on your guitar will ipso facto 
>sound within that scale that you defined.

That's great for fixed-pitch playing, but if you wanted to have a 
basic tuning PLUS microtonal ornaments you'd be out of luck.

>
>   RZ:  BTW - Middle C is "C4" no matter what Yamaha says.
>
>SVG:  I know that MIDI was developed with several musicians on the 
>consulting panel.  What were they thinking?  That they could just 
>ignore the modern acoustic usage?  Especially since there seems to 
>be no overwhelming reason that they couldn't just keep C4 as C4.

I became aware of this after I'd been using Performer together with a 
Yamaha TX816 in 1986. Then I was doing some beta testing for E-mu and 
they were using C4. I actually flagged that as an error until I did a 
little research into musical acoustic standards. I actually got David 
Zicarelli to add a C4 option to the number objects in Max.

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Dear all,

	Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show up, a
didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you play
this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do now?


		Lee




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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Lee Barnes wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> 	Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show up, a
> didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you play
> this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
> inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do now?

Here's some places to get you started:

http://www.mills.edu/LIFE/CCM/DIDJERIDU/

The Dreamtime website is the best I've found for didj stuff. 

http://www.mills.edu/LIFE/CCM/DIDJERIDU/instruction/instruction.html

Here's a couple of other links to "how to play" sites. 

http://www.didgeridoings.com/Tutorial/TutBodyNF.html

http://www.didges.com.au/play-the-didge.htm

best,
Steve 
Subscape Annex
http://www.subscapeannex.com/

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On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:39 PM, Lee Barnes wrote:

> Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show 
> up, a
> didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you 
> play
> this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
> inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do 
> now?

I'm no expert, but I've had didge's kicking around for years... and are 
great to play whilst on the toilet.

Learn circular breathing if you don't know about it already. Its fairly 
simple once you get the logic of it: Blowing a reservoir of air from 
your cheeks whilst inhaling through the nose to refill the lungs. The 
easiest way is to try this from scratch is with a straw and a glass of 
water - and try to keep the stream of bubbles continuous.

With a didge, there are a hell of a lot of different ways to blow into 
it. Once you get your basic vibratory sound (this can take a lot of 
practice in itself), make vowel sounds 'AEIOU'.... then move your 
tongue from the roof of the mouth to the base... to your teeth, then to 
the back of your throat. Just from the shape of the mouth, you realise 
the diversity of harmonics in this instrument.

Other tricks? Singing whilst blowing.... try gregorian chants based on 
the root note of the didge. Screams, growls and basically any sound can 
go well.

There are a number of notes similar to brass instruments, that are 
obtained through faster vibration of the lips and heavy attack. 'High 
toots'... you should be able to find at least two easily.... any higher 
than that are difficult.

Mould the mouthpiece to fit your position... Do this by heating 
beezewax (in an old saucepan), and dipping in the didge to build up 
layers of wax. Dont just rely on the standard mouthpiece.

Finally, practice with a good acoustic monitoring system. In other 
words, a plastic bucket opened towards you, so that you will have the 
harmonics and high frequencies bounced back towards you. Fireplaces are 
good, as are small ceramic bathrooms. Alternatively, my SM57 mic 
plugged into multi-fx then routed into a PA sounds even better....

I'm rambling, but there should be enough tips there :)

-- 
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com

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You might not be as OT as you think; you learn
circular breathing!

Or if you, like me, never quite get the hang of
circular breathing, snag a few seconds with your
looper of choice, layer it up a bit, and you've got
yerself a nice drone! To get it started, put your lips
inside the waxy end and blow a "raspberry" until you
find the drone resonance, and away you go.

Tom the Looping Tuba Player actually sings into his
didge!

-t-

--- Lee Barnes  wrote:
> Just had an early ...
> Christmas present show up, a didgeridoo... 
> what do you do now?


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  Hey Stu,


  How are you? Andy Here from Mexico City, I came down to spend the holydays
with my family and all...


  I heard it has snowed in Paris, hey I'm glad I missed that! I'm going to
Acapulco Next week, where is hot everyday.

  Can you give me your postal address? I'd love to send you a post card from
there!! :-)

  Andy.

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  Sorry about this message to the list it was meant to Stuart Only!!

  A+

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S.P. Goodman wrote:

>I didn't post my own opinion as an invitation to
>discourse, though. 
>
Then why post at all if you don't want discourse.  Do you just like to 
see your name next to messages on the list?

Not trying to be offensive but that comment of yours strikes me as very odd.

Kevin (who still needs a Korg AM8000R--I'll loop with it, I swear)

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Hey thanks for asking. I'm in the same boat - my wife got me one for
X-mas.

And thanks to everyone for their insightful responses.

Scott

Lee Barnes wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
>         Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show up, a
> didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you play
> this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
> inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do now?
> 
>                 Lee

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----- Original Message -----
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> S.P. Goodman wrote:
>
> >I didn't post my own opinion as an invitation to
> >discourse, though.
> >
> Then why post at all if you don't want discourse.  Do you just like to
> see your name next to messages on the list?

Read it again.  I have a right to express my opinion whether you like it or
not, and whether I care what anyone else may think on the topic.  This one's
a debate that could potentially be a very repetitive waste of bandwidth.
But it didn't mean I should just keep my opinion to myself, though, does it?
Think about it.


> Not trying to be offensive but that comment of yours strikes me as very
odd.
>
> Kevin (who still needs a Korg AM8000R--I'll loop with it, I swear)
>
> --
> Wonderful!  Wonderful!
> The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable
> If you try to hear it with your ears
> You'll hardly understand
> Only when you hear it in your eyes
> Will you be able to know.
>
> Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I have to agree with Stuart, France is not a good destination for a bohemian
kind of life, and finding a place to live or a job in Paris is toughŠ But
what destination would be ideal? Practically none.
One thing that I really appreciate here, in the USA, is the relative absence
of barriers between classes, I mean a CEO is not addressed to with more
deference than a plumber, generally. It is totally different in Europe,
where social classes are much more defined and noticeable. These are the
remains of very old feudal systems.
One could argue, though, that it is exactly what is brewing in the USAŠ
But at large, life and politics are not really different in Europe, same old
deceits and liesŠ
I feel that, in spite of the odds, there is much more hope here, this sudden
political debate on a music list is a perfect example. Things start to
change when people see that they're not alone and powerless, so moving to
another destination is just accepting more of the same, and giving in.
People are generally more blasé and apathetic in Europe, a single glance at
the last French presidential elections is illuminatingŠ
Although I'm thinking now of the Florida sham and how the Supreme Court
handed the presidency to GW.Bush and I'm not so sureŠ Anyhow, I think there
are roughly 1.5 millions US soldiers stationed around the world, and the
Pentagon budget is about $500 billions/year and constantly increasingŠ

-- 
Laurent
"The most powerful weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the
oppressed."
Steven Biko



> From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) 
> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:31:49 +0100
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> 
> Re: France, let me just say that for music, it is very hard to make a
> living. The venues pay badly, and all the good gigs are 'white work',
> which means that you have to go through all the cost and beaurocracy
> trying to get the right papers... This is France....


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Ha haha, it reminds me of a story...

Once (while tripping on mushrooms) at the Finger Lakes Grassroots music
festivel, as it was ending my girlfriend turned to me (while in the
vendor area) and said, "Sure, it's all laughs now, but I bet there's
going to be a lot of really sad people tomorrow when realize they blew
$60 on a diggeriedoo that they'll never figure out how to play."

Good luck!

Mark Sottilaro

Lee Barnes wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
>         Just had an early (if you're Orthodox) or late Christmas present show up, a
> didgeridoo, just delivered by TNT... and I've got to ask, "how do you play
> this beast?"  I've figured out which of the two ends you blow into, the
> inlay work helped greatly in this, but I've got to ask, what do you do now?
> 
>                 Lee

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Hey kids,

A diggeriedoo sounds like a great instrument and present.  It got me to
thinking, since the real meaning of this season is commercialism, what
cool stuff did people get that you can loop with or put in a loop?

My wife got me the new KAOSS PAD II.  It's a *helluva* bunch of hoots, I
tell ya.  It's got 2 memory locations for samples which automatically
loop.  I think it's 6 sec of memory each.  The coolest part?  They're
independent of the effect section, so you can dial up one of the many
cool effect patches (a bunch synch to bpm or a midi clock) and and play
with the sample through any of them!  WARNING: *SERIOUS LOOP MANGLEAGE
MAY OCCUR!*  I spend hours running the output of my Korg MS2000 synth
into it.  I could probably record an entire album with just these two
devices.  FUN!  I haven't even attempted to use the KAOSS pad as a MIDI
controller, but it seems like the result can only be incredible.

Anyone else?

Mark Sottilaro

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Uh... I disagree.  The nature of this type of list is discussion.  Sure,
some people just put forth facts, but often there is an opinion as
well.  It's healthy to hear an opposing opinion from someone else. The
idea is that the reader can form their own opinion based on what others
have said, or maybe come up with something totally different based on
their own experiences.  All that said, I'll restate that it's about the
discussion.  The exchange.  This isn't really a place to just post your
opinions and not expect to have them questioned or countered.  It's what
makes this list great.  If you want to just state your opinions in a
forum, set up your own web page and go at it.  Just don't leave your
email address.

Now, we really have spend way too much time on this off topic, but I did
learn from Stewart that the music scene in Paris is *rough* which I
might have never really known.

Mark Sottilaro

"S.P. Goodman" wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 00:09:AM
> Subject: Re: A Much Shorter Retort
> 
> > S.P. Goodman wrote:
> >
> > >I didn't post my own opinion as an invitation to
> > >discourse, though.
> > >
> > Then why post at all if you don't want discourse.  Do you just like to
> > see your name next to messages on the list?
> 
> Read it again.  I have a right to express my opinion whether you like it or
> not, and whether I care what anyone else may think on the topic.  This one's
> a debate that could potentially be a very repetitive waste of bandwidth.
> But it didn't mean I should just keep my opinion to myself, though, does it?
> Think about it.
> 
> > Not trying to be offensive but that comment of yours strikes me as very
> odd.
> >
> > Kevin (who still needs a Korg AM8000R--I'll loop with it, I swear)
> >
> > --
> > Wonderful!  Wonderful!
> > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable
> > If you try to hear it with your ears
> > You'll hardly understand
> > Only when you hear it in your eyes
> > Will you be able to know.
> >
> > Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Well that's loopers delight for ya!    LOL

Here I had this great concept for a band that I would be the
benevolent dictator of (you know: own the rights to the name,
take an unhealthy and usurous percentage of the bands profits,
fire really creative people if they threaten me.......
the usual fare
.........lol)

but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, everybody wants there opinion considered:

Ted Killian writes:

"Hey, are you accepting any CHRISTIAN LEFTIST WACKOS?
If so, count me in too my friend. Heheheheh. "


I'm an agnostic/buddhist/shamanic looper who wants to live in a world with a
compassionate god so that would make the name changed to:

THE SCURRILOUS CHRISTIAN/PAGAN LEFTIST WACKOS

but then Mark Sottilaro wrote:


"I tried being in a band with Noam, and he insisted that everything we
use be solar powered and we just couldn't get it loud enough here in the
often cloudy SF Bay area."

Alright,  I concede............now we will be called

THE SCURRILOUS CHRISTIAN/PAGAN NON CUNNING LINGUIST LEFTIST WACKOS

but then David wrote in and suggest this name change:

"THE SCURRILOUS AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST AND RELIGIOUS LEFTIST WACKOS "

so, being the kind hearted and open minded fell that I am
I amended the name one more time.  It is now called:

THE SCURRILOUS CHRISTIAN/PAGAN/ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC NON-CUNNING LINGUIST LEFTIST
WACKOS

but Tim Nelson had to add his two cents, writing:

"I'll join, but I'm really sort of a moderate
fence-sitter politically, so I'll have to set up my
gear in the center."

so we are now:

THE SCURRILOUS CHRISTIAN/PAGAN/ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC NON-CUNNING LINGUIST
MODERATE FENCE SITTER AND LEFTIST WACKOS

but then , at the 11th hour, Stephen Goodman piped in:

"He called the three of us sysops "sanctimonious bastards".
which would make it"

THE SANCTIMONIOUS,SCURRILOUS CHRISTIAN/PAGAN/ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC NON-CUNNING
LINGUIST MODERATE FENCE SITTER AND LEFTIST WACKOS



FINALLY,  s.k. chimed in:

"i like the name"



So I got sick and tired of accomodating everyone and changed it to:

RICK WALKER and the SCURRILOUS WACKO BASTARDS featuring RICK WALKER

Fuck you guys!!!!!!!!    I'm registering the trademark tomorrow.......see
you all at the Grammy's!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!





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Yeah, but what's the domain-name on our web site gonna
be?

-t-

> RICK WALKER and the SCURRILOUS WACKO BASTARDS
> featuring RICK WALKER
> 
> Fuck you guys!!!!!!!!    I'm registering the
> trademark tomorrow.......see
> you all at the Grammy's!!!
> 
> 
>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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That last hoot of laughter was really unnecessary, since I was falling out of my
chair with giggles by that point.

I think we should have a weekly summary of list activity like this; it's very,
um, insightful.

tittering,

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com


> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Rick,

You're the best! I laughed out loud. Hehehehe.

In a message dated 1/4/03 7:15:16 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:

>RICK WALKER and the SCURRILOUS WACKO BASTARDS featuring RICK WALKER

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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Hi List-

Other things in my life leave me without much time to participate here 
lately, but I do still read the list most days. Over the last few months 
I've noticed with increasing dismay that almost no discussion about looping 
takes place here anymore. An off topic post once in a while doesn't hurt 
anybody, but Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic!

The last couple of days have been an extreme example, but in fact this has 
been going on for some time. Look back over the last month and see for 
yourself. Some examples of what we've discussed:

midi controllers, music reviewers, guitar sustainers for parker fly's, cd-r 
brands, bbe, audio archiving, recording equipment, a/d convertors, mac vs 
pc, robert fripp's guitar tone, guitar rack wiring, math music, elliot 
sharp's guitar, numerous gear sales, mixers, peter gabriel's concert sound, 
self-promotions with nothing to do with looping, mp3.com and alternatives, 
blown speakers, how to sneak into NAMM, how to run cables, music in 
siberia, more mixers, fretless guitars, fretless guitarists, fretless midi 
guitars, glissantars, ouds, cd distributors, using acoustic guitars as a 
drum, hex fuzz, ebay self-promotion techniques, microtonal midi control, 
brian eno's foreign policy, foreign countries to move to, and last but not 
least, didgeridoo.

So what is the problem? Have you lost interest in looping? You've run out 
of looping topics? Nobody has any new (or even old) looping techniques to 
share? You haven't listened to any music with interesting new uses of 
looping to discuss? No looping gear tips? This is the only place in the 
world devoted to  to discussing looping, and you barely use it!

So as the above subject line suggests, should we just forget that this is 
about looping at all and give up on the whole idea?

I can already hear the predictable responses that always come when somebody 
brings up off-topic-ness. "But people here were interested, so it's ok." 
"This group of people seemed like the best place to discuss it." "But it's 
related to looping."

Sure, we can play six degrees of Looper's Delight and manage to justify 
anything. But before you post again try to consider, if it isn't really 
about looping, is this the best place for it? If you are starting a message 
off with "OT", maybe that's a sign that you shouldn't be posting it here at 
all? Do you really want to continue to dilute this forum with more 
unrelated messages, and lessen it's value for everybody?

Like I said, going off topic once in a while isn't a big deal, but we're 
off topic constantly. How many of you can look back over your last ten 
posts here and say that nine of them were directly about looping? If you're 
finding that most of your recent posts have been off-topic, how about 
making certain the next one is ON topic? Take the responsibility to turn 
the ratio around, starting with yourself!

thanks,
kim



______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com

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hi,
well, I do think the "how to sneak into the NAMM show" discussion quite entertaining and worthy of discussion..............................NOT!! hehe 8-)
Denis

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Hi List-

Other things in my life leave me without much time to participate here 
lately, but I do still read the list most days. Over the last few months 
I've noticed with increasing dismay that almost no discussion about looping 
takes place here anymore. 

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hmmmmm finally figured out the remotes for the news departments open reel decks at kpfa =

last week 5 tape loops of yoko singing fly  (with a gyuto monk backing choir)

see, looping discussed

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At 07:32 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Kim Flint wrote:

>Other things in my life leave me without much time to participate here 
>lately, but I do still read the list most days. Over the last few months 
>I've noticed with increasing dismay that almost no discussion about 
>looping takes place here anymore. An off topic post once in a while 
>doesn't hurt anybody, but Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic!

Well, I'll be the first to cop to blatantly straying off-topic at a 
moment's notice (and why not: some of the most interesting conversations 
I've had in my almost-15-years of electronic networking can be directly 
blamed on topic-drift).  Likewise, I'll certainly agree that several of the 
conversations I've helped along are contrary to the stated mission of the 
list -- self-moderated or not.

However, I would also argue that many of those same message threads -- 
while not expressly on-charter with the groups purpose -- have helped in 
part to further solidify the members of this group as a community, rather 
than just a disparate group of people reading email.  If this were a BBS, 
I'd suggest actually creating an area which would act as a "Looper's 
Support Group" -- a Looper's Cafe', if you will -- where otherwise 
senseless banter and off-topic threads by the Looper Community would be 
perfectly acceptable.  Perhaps a second list is worth considering... or 
perhaps not.

Finally, as an act of contrition (and to make certain this message doesn't 
completely devolve into navel-gazing) I'd like to offer this up:

I was poking around the FXPansion site a couple of days ago and came across 
their 'skunkworks' (betatest/experimental) area.  One of the free plugins 
available for download from the site is a widget called Stutter.  Stutter 
will allow you to do realtime sampling, mapping, and looping of up to four 
simultaneous samples in real-time.

You can download Stutter at: http://www.fxpansion.com/skunkworks/skunk.php

I know it's probably closer to a phrase-sampler than an actual looper (hey, 
cut me a little slack).  But if FXPansion were to add a couple more key 
features (feedback, an effects loop), they might be starting to approach a 
software emulation of the Repeater.

Hope you can get some use out of it....

         -c-

-- President, Chicagoland Local Fan Club Chapter
    The Sanctimonious, Scurrilous Christian/Pagan/Atheist/Agnostic 
Non-Cunning Linguist Moderate Fence Sitter And Leftist Wackos Fan Club


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  Kim, Thank you SOOOO much!      Personally I was getting ready to
unsub again for a lil' while.  -Not that I  think that ALL of the recent
topics weren't interesting, but the sheer volume has been extraordinarily
irritating.      -just my opinion of course...   
  Anyway, Thanks , I completely agree.  
  So, regardin' looping; I'm curious, given that the EDP and Repeater both
have a number of ways with which to switch from loop to loop, and even the
Jam Man to a certain extent, how are people finding themselves doing this?,
-to those who do actually comprize a piece of more than one loop?
*laughing*   -and yes!, this means you too Kim!   lol!   *hug*   
  -and by switching loops, I mean sonically, as well, so if you simply
evolve a loop gradually, so it effectively becomes a different loop, that
would be one way of switching between loops.   
  Personally, I tended to take the more gradual approach, but since I'd
also incorporate loops into rhythms and vocals and such, it wasn't always
obvious.   Now, I'm getting more into replace modes, both with the Repeater
and EDP, and not only building loops that way, but  changing existing loops
by both layering and replacing bits at the same time.  On the Repeater, I'm
also changing a loop sonically via it's pitch function, and by layering,
reversing, and layering some more, along with the replace function.
Woohoo!   It's lots of fun!...   
  Anyway, What are the rest of us doing?...  

Smiles,

Cara

At 07:32 PM 1/4/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi List-
>
>Other things in my life leave me without much time to participate here 
>lately, but I do still read the list most days. Over the last few months 
>I've noticed with increasing dismay that almost no discussion about looping 
>takes place here anymore. An off topic post once in a while doesn't hurt 
>anybody, but Looper's Delight now appears to be 95% off-topic!
>
>The last couple of days have been an extreme example, but in fact this has 
>been going on for some time. Look back over the last month and see for 
>yourself. Some examples of what we've discussed:
>
>midi controllers, music reviewers, guitar sustainers for parker fly's, cd-r 
>brands, bbe, audio archiving, recording equipment, a/d convertors, mac vs 
>pc, robert fripp's guitar tone, guitar rack wiring, math music, elliot 
>sharp's guitar, numerous gear sales, mixers, peter gabriel's concert sound, 
>self-promotions with nothing to do with looping, mp3.com and alternatives, 
>blown speakers, how to sneak into NAMM, how to run cables, music in 
>siberia, more mixers, fretless guitars, fretless guitarists, fretless midi 
>guitars, glissantars, ouds, cd distributors, using acoustic guitars as a 
>drum, hex fuzz, ebay self-promotion techniques, microtonal midi control, 
>brian eno's foreign policy, foreign countries to move to, and last but not 
>least, didgeridoo.
>
>So what is the problem? Have you lost interest in looping? You've run out 
>of looping topics? Nobody has any new (or even old) looping techniques to 
>share? You haven't listened to any music with interesting new uses of 
>looping to discuss? No looping gear tips? This is the only place in the 
>world devoted to  to discussing looping, and you barely use it!
>
>So as the above subject line suggests, should we just forget that this is 
>about looping at all and give up on the whole idea?
>
>I can already hear the predictable responses that always come when somebody 
>brings up off-topic-ness. "But people here were interested, so it's ok." 
>"This group of people seemed like the best place to discuss it." "But it's 
>related to looping."
>
>Sure, we can play six degrees of Looper's Delight and manage to justify 
>anything. But before you post again try to consider, if it isn't really 
>about looping, is this the best place for it? If you are starting a message 
>off with "OT", maybe that's a sign that you shouldn't be posting it here at 
>all? Do you really want to continue to dilute this forum with more 
>unrelated messages, and lessen it's value for everybody?
>
>Like I said, going off topic once in a while isn't a big deal, but we're 
>off topic constantly. How many of you can look back over your last ten 
>posts here and say that nine of them were directly about looping? If you're 
>finding that most of your recent posts have been off-topic, how about 
>making certain the next one is ON topic? Take the responsibility to turn 
>the ratio around, starting with yourself!
>
>thanks,
>kim
>
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
>kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>
>


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happy, healthy new cycle to all. i'm in the process of
moving my stuff to williamsburg, brooklyn and hope to
follow it (!) by the end of january. goodbye, bay
bridge, hello williamsburg bridge! i've acquired an
akai sampler, a loop station and a (used) dat deck to
help me in my lOooPPy efforts, and have been using
pieces of bush-speak (from the tv/radio) layered
"subliminally" into my kybd/gtr/vox raw material. he
is one sinister motherfucker, particularly when you
play his voice repeatedly as a sample- a very tense
puppet, for sure, a lot like raegun used to sound- all
that controlled tightness holding up the walls of his
puppet-masters. anyway! a friend and i have been
talking about organizing a grass-roots movement, a
people's movement, refusing to pay taxes UNTIL there
is a national, comprehensive health plan, blanket
coverage (at least on the most basic level) for every
citizen, meaning for the vast millions of AMERICANS
from all walks who can't afford coverage- hardworking,
2-job-holding CITIZENS who are watching untold
BILLIONS go down the toilet, into the mouths of bush's
arms/oil/defense buddies. dudes and dudettes, they are
laughing all the way to the bank. and you and i are
the losers in this rigged game. if the whole country
said fuck you, all at once, it would have a
sensational, historic impact. 
i'll leave you now, into the paws of my new
christmas-kitty, who will be my little spirit-guide on
my new york journey. love charlotte loopchikkk

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Advanced MIDI foot controllers are always of interest on this list, and 
I see in the new issue of Guitar Player that DMC  has come out with a 
new model Ground Control.  This one looks more like the Rocktron 
All-Access (3 rows of 4 metal switches, LED character read-out) and has 
MIDI In for restoring your data (I think the old one didn't).  More 
info at www.voodoolab.com.

TH

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To be honest... what is there left to talk about?  We've been through
every function of every major hardware looper about 100 times.  We've
done the philosophy into the ground as well.  I even think we're
positive that "Looping" is not a genera of music... so I honestly can't
think of a single loop related thread to start.  I think in a sense that
means the list is maturing, maybe getting stale.  I'm sure there are
hundreds of list members, but let's face it, there are probably about 20
of us that do most of the posts.  An infusion of new loopers would be
nice, but where are they?  Not too many it seems.  I still enjoy the
list though.  I actually kind of enjoy the off topicness of it all
because after a while talking about looping just gets damn repetitive.

Mark Sottilaro

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At 12:07 AM -0700 1/5/03, Goddess wrote:
>  So, regardin' looping; I'm curious, given that the EDP and Repeater both
>have a number of ways with which to switch from loop to loop, and even the
>Jam Man to a certain extent, how are people finding themselves doing this?,
>-to those who do actually comprize a piece of more than one loop?

One thing I find myself doing a fair amount in my looping is building some sort of simple background, then copying it into all available loops. From there I can develop each copy in a different way, yet because they all share a common base, there is a sense of continuity. Switching between them can still be very interesting because even though they all started from the same root, the development of each loop can be radically different.

-C

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